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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, man bootlet keV here, I'm gonna start doing
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more videos like this where I talk about just what's
going on in hip hop in like a non toxic way,
as non toxic as possible, to be honest. But with
that being said, I wanted to talk about a few things,
one of which there is this New York rapper list
that came out on Complex. From what I understand, this
list is from twenty twenty three, but it's just gone
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viral again, and I think it is egregious.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
The list. If we look at it, they have jay Z.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Number one, Biggie number two, NAS number three, rock Him
number four, ll cool J's five fifty cents six, Nikki
is seven, DMX is eight, Bustin Rhymes is nine, and
Keras one is ten, and then you keep going throughout
the list, and you know, I think that there's some
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people on this list that are misplaced, and there's also
some Peo on this list that's just an absolute atrocity
that they're on it. Obviously, if this list is from
twenty twenty three, having didi at number forty eight, it's crazy.
I also would like to point out having Didiya as
number forty eight is insane period. I Spice should not
be on this list. Pop Smoke's really high. We could
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get into it. But I'm going to also say, I mean,
look love the biz Marquis, but biz Marquis was not
really known as much as an mc is more if
he was as an entertainer. But I did put together
a list of some of my I'm going to say,
I'm going to give five people, and there's a lot
of honorable mentions here, but I want to give my
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legit five that were snubbed from this list, all right,
and my number one draft pick as too far as
who was snubbed from this list, Lloyd Banks. The Lloyd
Banks disrespect has got to stop. This is one third
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of one of the most powerful groups in hip hop history.
On his own as classic mixtapes, he's got an incredible
discography of albums.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
And he's been on an insane run.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Over the last decade of I would say the last
five years of dropping incredible bodies of work independently that
always get overlooked. But if we're not putting Lloyd Banks
in the top fifty New York rappers of all time, like,
what the fuck are we doing? This is the punchline, King,
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you cannot have bizmarckuy Ice Spice.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
You know, no disrespect to Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I think Jimmy deserves to be on this list, but
I don't think deserves to be on this list. Over
Lloyd Banks, I don't think you know what do we again?
Lloyd Banks has to be on this list, So that
would be my number one snub that I would add
into this list. And what I noticed about this list
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there are mcs on this list who aren't technically from
New York City. For example, at number twenty, Slick Rick
is on the list who deserves to be on this list,
but he is from the UK. So I also, as
a draft pick my number two top fifty MC in
New York history, though not originally from New York. I
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think we can all agree New York is whom this
artist is most heavily affiliated with. When we think about
him and his partner DJ Premier and Gang Star, I'm
talking about Guru, one of the most distinct voices in
hip hop history. As a group, Gang Stars discography is
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all time.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
It's on the mantle. Again.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I'm looking at this list and I just can't imagine
not having Guru on a lie that includes Ice, Spice
and Cardi B. And that's no shade to Cardi because
I think Cardi deserves to be on this list as well.
All Right, So that's my second. So now we're kind
of getting into an interesting place here with I have
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a list because I want to go through my honorable
mentions because I do think there's members of Wu Tang
that deserve to be on this list that aren't. I
actually would put Inspected Deck on this list above ODB.
I think Inspected Deck has two of the greatest verses
in hip hop history, triumph Uh and Above the Clouds
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the Gang Star feature. Those are two of my favorite
verses ever. And I just think what he's done with
his new group and Inspected Deck has to be. If
you're gonna put ODB, you gotta put Inspected Deck. With
that being said, I'm not picking Inspected Deck as my
little Wu Tang tangent. I am gonna go though. I
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feel fel like I'm going super old school on a
lot of these, but this is a newer pick. You
cannot have the fifty greatest rappers in New York history
and not have Joey Badass. Why is Joey Badassing on
this list? Even if this list was made in twenty
twenty three, How are we not including Joey Badass on
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this list?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I feel like this list has a lot of.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I don't know what are we doing if Joey Badass
is on the list that you're including or you're not
including him, but you're including somebody like, you know, fucking again,
let's let's talk about fucking bismarcky like Joey Badass as
an MC. Why do we have Bizmarqui on the list
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if we don't have Joey Badass in twenty twenty three,
before we knew Diddy was Didlin? Why the fuck would
you have Diddy on this list if we don't have
Joey Badass So that's three.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I gotta go oh.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Ooh, this is tough because I'm gonna tip pick two
more that I feel like we're the biggest snubs that
we should do a little Swapperoni on MM. People won't
like this, but we're talking about now ten.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Fifteen year run French Montana.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I know that a lot it's popular to hate on
French Montana, but french Montana was, you know, besides Nicky
asap mob French was the only guy out of New
York putting hits on the board for a serious amount
of time. French is probably the only guy if you
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go to a nightclub in the South, or you go
to a nightclub on the West Coast, that you're gonna
hear a New York record being I mean, because we're
talking about pop French Montana Pop. That's one of the
greatest club songs of all time. I just think you
gotta have French on this list. If you're gonna go fifty,
you gotta have French on the list. And if I
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had to pick one more, it's tough. It's damn.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's really really tough.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Because I have a few on here that I feel
like if I were to make this list that all
these names that I have kind of set aside would
be up there. I'm going right now, I'm contemplating between
teleb Quality and A Z and I'm gonna go with.
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If I had to pick five, I'm gonna go with
Azy Life's of Bitch. What are we talking about? Sugar
Hill or die It was? It was a hard decision,
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but those are my five. Let's go through the honorable mentions. Obviously,
Teli Kwali. I have Joel Santana as an honorable mention.
I also have Immortal Technique as an honorable mention. I
have Action Bronson as an honorable mention. And what I
noticed about this list is it said New York. It
didn't say New York City. So I do think it
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is an atrocity not to include the guys from Griselda
somewhere on this list.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
And by the guys, I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Like, I really think you can't go wrong with picking
any one of the three, but for me, it's Conway.
And I think if I'm looking at this list too,
I just want to kind of judge who's egregiously misplaced.
Pharaoh Manch at number forty nine is a fucking joke,
so Pharaoh mant should be a lot higher. I also
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think that if you're looking at this list, man Jada
Kiss at sixteen just feels wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
It feels fucked.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
And I gotta say one more other honorable mention. I'm sorry,
two more other honorable mentions that I actually had just
thought about in my head. Five Dog from a tribe
called Quest and Havoc Havoc from Mob Deep. Obviously, Prodigy
gets all the flowers of the MC. But come on, guys,
Havoc is a fucking incredible MC. I feel like this
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number eleven, instead of putting Prodigy, you just put Mob
Deep put the fucking group.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Man.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I also feel like, when we're talking about five, what
do we say, like Tribe called Quest to me is
the third greatest rap group of all time and fucking
Fife Dog five Dog. For fuck's sake, let's put Fife
on the list. So that's what I'll say. If I
had to take I'm not even gonna say who which
five I would take off? I kind of said earlier,
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but if I mean, if if you had to take
five off.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Oh, I don't even get all the way into that.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
For sure, I'm taking biz Mark off, I Spice off.
That's what I'll say. But that is this New York
list how I see it. Who was snubbed, the five
artists who I would put on the list that are
not currently on the list, and some of my honorable
mentions anyway, shout out to Complex or making this list
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still rage bait. Two and a half years later, however,
long it was also very random that they censored Fat Joe.
Why the fuck doesn't matter? If his name's fat, Joe
is fat. I mean, I don't know. Anyway, I'd like
to keep it moving because there's so much going on
in hip hop right now, specifically push a T and
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the Clips are dropping a new album.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
If you guys know anything about me, I do always
keep a Clips album on the wall behind me. Lord Willing,
I got assigned by Pusher T. I still need Mouse
to sign it. But this past week, the record so
Be It came out with uh push a T. Initially
a lot of people thought Pusha T was talking about
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Kanye West on this verse. Well, he did an interview
with GQ and he cleared that up. He was really really,
I mean, coming for Travis Scott's head on this record.
So Jesus Christ. First of all, I gotta say something.
The rollout for this Clips album has been fucking incredible.
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Between as Trumpets and so Be It, it feels like
an Album of the Year contender.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I have to say this. I am a huge push
A T. Fan. I am a huge Travis Scott fan.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I enjoy both of their music on a on a
level that is you know, I would say that I
would I would be there. P one in radio we
always kind of say, like, you know, you got to
talk to your p one. That's the people who are
like super loyalty, like when it comes to Push T
in the clips like Jesus Christ like, they're probably my
second or third favorite rap group of all time, and
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Push a T is one of my favorite mcs ever.
I have him on my all time list in the
top ten, which a lot of people wouldn't have.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
In fact, actually went viral.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Because me and Jim Jones debated about this was on
the Rap Caviar podcast. We debated about Push a Ta
being included in the top fifty MC list of all time.
He said he didn't deserve to be in there. I
fucking lost my mind. You could probably pull that up
on Silence you can kind of see it. But and
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I also really really love Travis. I think Travis makes
amazing bodies of work. With that being said, I guess
the issue at hand feels like a semi valid one
if you think about some of the moves maybe over
the years Travis has made. You know, when Travis first
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came into the game, Mahammie lifted. It is the guy
who made Mercy a producer for Phoenix. I remember before
Al Faraoh dropped, Lifted was telling me about Travis very
early on, because Travis is around during those super I
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guess what year was Mercy. I was living in Vegas
when Mercy came out, so that was probably twenty eleven
or twelve. With that being said, I was hip to
Travis pretty early, and then when Al Faroh dropped, I
fucked with Al Faraoh. We played a few records on
my underground hip hop show off at Al Faraoh. When
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we think of Travis, I think of Good Music and
Grand Hustle initially, because I think a lot of people
forget that Travis was signed a TI and Kanye.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
There was kind of like this.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Marriage of the two, you know, OG's kind of putting
on this young kid. So Travis very much a part
of the Good Music family certain point in time in
his career, quite literally a part of Kanye's family. And
with that being said, you know, Pusha T was the
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president of Good Music from twenty fifteen until recently, so
push A T does have a relationship with Travis and
has had a front row seat to probably some of
Travis's low points emotionally.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Et cetera. So I could understand if you're push and you.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Have Travis pull up on you to play Utopia with
Pharrell in the room. Now, it's been debated whether or
not Drake had dropped his verse for Meltdown yet, where
he talked about melting down Urell's chains. But either way,
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I think the point at hand is if we're close
enough for you to come into the studio with us
and play is your album, and then that the version
of the album you play does not include the Drake verse,
whether it was laid yet or not. Now, obviously, if
it was late already, that's just straight up fucking some
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host shit, some fucked up shit.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Right. According to academics, it hadn't been laid yet.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
But I do believe push A t said the next
day or it was that same week that the song
came out and they heard it. So you know, we're
not too sure about the timeline. But I would say,
if you're Travis and you value your relationship with Pharrell,
and you value your relationship with push A Te whom
which you just sat in the studio with and brought
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you a Utopia suitcase to to play this fucking album,
at the very least, you would think that you should
have a conversation with Pharrell and Push. It's at least
a phone call, right, Hey, guys, I know I just
played you the album just so you know, the same
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guy whom which I have sicko mode with. Just really
just drop the verse on the song Meltdown and you're
there's a shot towards you. How do you guys feel
about it? It's just to me, that's just kind of
the polite thing to do, it seems. I mean, the
one thing I say that about Push is Push don't
give a fuck.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
There was a clip of him talking about how when
Drake would come and work with Kanye when they were
in Wyoming, he couldn't be there because he's like, I
don't fucking play that shit Like I don't. I don't
play the politics. I don't care who you are. If
if it's up, it's up. And also let's point out
that pusha T is Kendrick Lamar is not the first
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person to beat Drake in a rap battle. That's all
I'll say. Push a T story of added on silenced
Drake like it, I mean, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
So Travis Scott, I'm sure he'll address it, but I
do think this brings us to another more interesting conversation,
and that would be if you were to take and
I would like to preface this conversation by saying, if
you were to take everything that both of these men
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are part of, Travis over here, Push A T, the
Clips over here, I think Push A T and the
music he's been a part of. If you take the Clips,
his discography and his solo discography, I think Travis Scott
gets decimated in that debate because I think the Clips
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have two classic albums. I think Lord Willing and Hell
Hath No Fury are classics. And I love, absolutely Love
Till the Casket drops. It's a fucking damn good project.
And then the Reap Gang shit.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
And you don't even got to get into the Clips
mixtapes Jesus. So let's let's do this.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Let's take all that aside, because I just said, if
I were to take Push A T and everything the
Clips was on, like all the Clips albums, I think
Push the T washes Travis scott discography to discography. I
don't even think it's fucking a discussion. And I love
Travis Scott's discography, but let's throw all the Clips albums
out the window, and let's just have this discussion.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Push A T.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Solo shit, Travis Scott's solo shit. So let's look at
these albums because I will say, in my opinion, and
this doesn't mean that pushes discography is better, but I
do think between both of their bodies of work, Daytona
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is the best album. So if you took all Travis's albums,
you took all PUSHA T's albums. I do think Push
A T. Daytona is the best album out of everything.
But let's go album for album, all right, I want
to go, are we starting with uh?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Are we starting with Rodeo? Or Days Before Rodeo? Because
Days Before Rodeo is on DSPs.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Now it's probably SSS Rodeo first, right, Oh, I gotta say,
I think Days Before Rodeo might be my second favorite track.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Okay, so it's four for four. M Okay, we'll do
four four V four.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I'm gonna go, Okay, astral World, Utopia, Birds in the
Traps Scene, McKnight, and Rodeo and then let me see
you Push the T Ship.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
It's almost dry Daytona. Uh, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
The best album between both of their discographies is Daytona,
But god damn it, man, I think Travis Scott, Astro World,
Birds in the Trap Scene, McKnight, It'stopia, Rodeo. If you're
just talking solo work, it's fucking close. Go back to Push.
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It's discography again. It's almost dry, so fucking good too. Man. Oh,
Daytona's the best album. I think It's almost Dry as
his second best album. I think King Push is number three.
My Name Is My Name is number four. Now, if
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we're ranking all of these albums, I think Daytona is
number one, then I think you gotta go Astro World
as number two. Fucking incredible album. It's a perfect album,
just like Daytona is. Then things can get interesting. I
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wasn't the craziest Utopia fan. I love Rodeo though. I'm
gonna put Rodeo at number three, and then number four.
I'm gonna put It's Almost Dry at number five. I'm
gonna put Birds in the Traps Scene McKnight, and then
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i'm gonna put Utopia, and then I'll put King Push
and my Name Is my Name. So I think that
that's a fair If we just go solo artists a
solo artists and there's not a bigger push a t
fan you'll find. I think Travis got him on the
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total discography.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Even though it's close.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I think once you enter the Clips into the conversation,
it's I mean, Travis gets destroyed for the sake of fun.
Let's put the Clips albums. Let's do the same countdown
we just did. All right, So if we're to do
this but include the Clips, it's gonna be ugly because
I would go, Hell hath No Fury is number one.
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I would go Daytonas number two. I would go Lord
Willin is number three. Then I would go astral World,
then I would go Rodeo, Then I.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Would go.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Till the Casket drops, and then the rest of the
list we already talked about earlier. So if you were
to combine both Clips and Push your Tea together, it's
it's a it's a wash.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
But if we're just talking just solo shit, it's close.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I give the edge of Edgeter Travis shout out to
Push your Tea for fucking putting this shit on Wax.
One of the greatest of all time. Cannot wait for
this new Clips album. I'm hearing it as a classic.
Uh So shout out to them, shout out to Push,
out to Travis Scott, A shout out to the Clips.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Man.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I've probably spent like fucking four hundred dollars on Clips
t shirts since they've been dropping their merkout. They just
dropped a whole new collection of fucking merch. Shot to
the Clips. Looking forward to that album. It's coming out
July eleventh. All right. Another good thing today was June eighteenth.
And when I think back to June eighteenth, twenty thirteen,
that's twelve years ago. That's probably I mean, one of
the last days. I went to a record store, spent
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a bunch of money, and was super excited because Kanye
West dropped Easis, Mac Miller dropped Watching Movie with the
Sounds Off, and Jay Cole dropped his sophomore album Or
in Center.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
About all three, I loved All three.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I think it's kind of an interesting time period in
hip hop because.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
You know, it's.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Towards the end of the blog era, but not quite yet.
You know that Piff's still around, live mixtapes is still around,
and people were still going to the store to buy music.
I bought my shit at Zea Records in Phoenix and
I want to talk about just Kanye Man for a second,
because when this album came out, the buzz was so crazy.
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I remember he was doing these screenings listening sessions, if
you will, all across the country for Jesus, and I
remember he did one in Phoenix and we watched it
somewhere downtown. They like projected the album onto a wall,
and I remember kind of being thrown off. I was
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super thrown off by Jesus when I first heard it
as like a crazy Kanye fan.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I was just very like, this is different.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
It's probably Kanye's first or second most polarizing album of
the good stuff. So we got to be very clear
when I say of the good stuff, because I feel like.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Jesus, uh, it goes Jesus.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Life of Pablo Yay, and then things get hairy. You
get Jesus King. Donda was solid, and then anything after
Donda we're just kind of like chalk up to like
unfinished Kanye that he puts out. But I would say
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it's probably it's either Ato Eight's and Heartbreaks or Jesus.
When we think about polarizing, people either love these albums
or hated them. There wasn't a lot of people who
was like super in the middle of these two projects.
So Jesus to me is very high and I did
not initially love Jesus.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
It took it probably took like two weeks for to
really grow on me.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
But you know, I think back to what music sounded
like then and how much of a sonic risk Kanye
took on Jesus. And you know, we always hear about
Yay sampling people on certain albums, sampling people's vibes, having
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people around. I think he sampled Kid Cuddy on Ato
Wits and Heartbreaks, kind of sampled his sound, you know
what I'm saying, kind of did kid cutty shit to
the highest degree. And I think on Yeesus, Uh, he
sampled Travis Scott and Mike Dean. I mean, Mike Dean
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obviously handled a lot of the production on this album.
I think he've handled all of it, not like ninety
percent of it, But Travis Scott was around. You know,
Travis Scott helped write on some of these records. And
I think when you hear Yesus, it kind of makes
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Travis possible, you know, it makes Rodeo possible.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It makes days before Rodeo possible. For that.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And I think it's aged, I mean gracefully when we
think about you know, one of my favorite Kanye songs
ever is Blood.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
On the Leaves.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Such a fucking incredible record. I also think Black Skinhead.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Banger, fucking banger. Also, Black Skinhead might have been a
little uh.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
He was living the crumbs.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
He was eating some crumbs here, I mean new Slaves.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Hold my Liquors probably my second favorite song on this album,
Hold my Liquor at Chief keyf on it, which is
crazy because I remember being like, why the fuck is
Chief Keef on this album? Fucking amazing. Of course, bound
To a lot of people like bound To, I'm not
as high as bound To as most people.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
That samples crazy, incredible sample and I'm in it. One
of the most aggressive sex songs ever.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
He said he'll put his fist in you like a
civil rights sign, and he was eating Asian pussy.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
All he needed was sweet and sour sauce. I love
this album.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I rank it very high in Kanye's discography, number three,
to be specific. I got My Beautiful Dark twis the
Fantasy Late Registration then uses that's my top three Kanye albums.
Got It above Graduation, Got It above College Dropout, So
I know that that's a hot take.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Do I got it above Cold drop Out?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Maybe definitely got it about Graduation? Really, I think Graduation
is Kanye's most overrated album.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I like it. It's a classic, but I just think
people put it too high. I think Yes is better
than Graduation. All right.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
So then you go to the mc miller aspect of this.
Mc miller dropped Blue Slide Park, which was his first
like studio album. A lot of people didn't love this album.
Blue Slide Park had some shit on it, yeah, free, yeah,
but I just don't think this. I remember Party on
Fifth Ave was like this Rado single and it was
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mac Miller's big coming out party. The problem is is
you know when you had a mixtape like Kids Out
and I think Macadelic might have was Macadelic Out before
Blue Slide Part I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
But I saw that. To say that.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
This album watch a movie with the sound off is
if you're if you're just looking for hip hop from
mac Miller, I don't think there's an album that fucks
with it.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Good Am might be one of them, but.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I think this is arguably the best album to come
out that day. Ah some of the features on this
album crazy absolute, Action Bronze and Red Dot music is
one of my favorite Action Bronson versus ever. You know,
bird Call was crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I mean I think about just like school Boy Q
and Mac Miller's insane chemistry and the rec and on
this album was just insane. And then this album too
came with a crazy tour. The tour that came from
this was uh.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I went to it a celebrity theater in Phoenix. Was
Mac Miller.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I want to say the Internet and Chance the Rapper
and Action Bronson. For sure, Chance and Action Bronson were
on the tour. I think the Internet was on this
tour too, but I think I was. This is top
two or three most fucking high I've been at a
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concert moment for me. I was fucked up off an edible.
I had dabbed backstage with Action Bronson. That's on YouTube somewhere.
I was fucking cooked and Mac Miller had a full band.
One of my favorite concerts of all time and a
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kind of a final homage to the Blog era. When
I think of those three guys, Mac Miller, o g
Blog Era guy, Action Bronson, Chance the Rapper. You know,
Chance is probably the last great rapper to come out
of the blog era. I mean, I might be wrong
about that, but in my in my brain, I think that.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
That tour is crazy because it was so some some
dates had a chance to wrapper the internet. Vince Staples, Oh,
Vince was on the tour Earl Sweasher and Action Bronson. Yes,
so that is there. Yeah, that is crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
And I was twacked. If you go on my YouTube channel,
you just look at blue Leg Action Bronson. There's like
a video. Yes, so look, so I know that.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
You recently started getting If you.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
You can mute that, but you see the dab brig
in the background. So this dude to Action Bronson took
advantage of me backstage, and I don't mean that like
I when I told him I had never died before,
this guy's eyes lit up and he said, oh, you
got a dab And then he's like, oh, now you
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got to try a flavor.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
So he made me take three dabs back to back
to back.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
That's insane and I was fucking.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Twacked, bro Like this This is about as twacked as
an interview can get. And there's a few clips from
this interview, but yes, this was the night of the
mac Miller watching movies with the sound off tour backstage
Celebrity Theater.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Absolutely fucking twacked. Man, I was high as a motherfucker motherfucker.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, damn, dude, you're a helly Scroll back because you
could probably see another clip where I'm like, nonetheless, what
a fucking tour that was? Go down, scroll down from
the same it'd been maybe that h Yeah, let's see
if you can see how I am in this video.
Look me uploading minute, dude, I was fucking, I mean baked.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Get you.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, what a day?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
You see the fucking torch? What was this twenty thirteen? Yeah,
eleven years ago. Crazy times with the CM Punk shirt
for all you motherfuckers out there, see that CM Punk shirt,
the vintage. Anyway, we got a great tour from this album.
Also wanted we can't talk about tours coming from these
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three albums that I've mentioned the Eyasest tour because I
also think the easest tour of fuck, greatest concert ever
been to so with.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
The Mountain, the Mask, the merch.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
The merch was crazy, it was crazy. I got three shirts. Yeah,
I still got them all. Yeah, I was on the
floor for that show. I have the blue one when
he's like looking down with the chain. Yeah that one too,
one I got a bunch of them.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah uh yeah. That kind of changed merch too. Everything
that changed everything on the merch side.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
So yesus and then Jake Cole. I think j Cole,
you know, one of the greatest of all time. And
there are certain people, you know, just like there's certain
people who say nas it was written as his best album,
there's a lot of people who think that Born Center.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Is J Cole's best album over for Sails Drive.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I don't happen to be one of those people, but
I do love this album.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
The Illuminati Land of the Snakes is crazy.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I mean, of course the singles were so crazy, power
Trip all that fucking but for Britain Fruit with Kendrick
was just amazing.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
The crazy thing too, is like this is during the
time where like supposedly, I'm sure when this album is
getting recorded, at the same time, there's probably like real
work or discussions about this J Cole Kendrick project that
we're never ever gonna hear or get. I know that
they did some stuff, but you know it's up there.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Are you more? Are you? You're a pretty big Jake
Cole Fan Cook, our producer Cook is here.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah no, and then let Nas down. Jesus Christ. I
want to say this Deluxe was like one of the
last Like Deluxe, I actually went out and bought you
know so.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
And janet Iko's on here amazing, amazing, you could smile,
such a great single.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Forbidden Fruit and Kendrick's verse on that, Oh my.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
God, insane.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
But I gotta so if we can rank these three
albums on any given day, I might change it. But
I think Borne Center's number three, Mac Miller watching movie
with the sound off, Watching Movies with the sound Off
number two, and.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I'm really high on us this man, I got a
number one. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I still have a shrink wrapped brand new Kanye Use
this album sitting in my death somewhere.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
I think, depending on the day for me, I could switch.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Between those between Mac Miller and Yeah for sure, for sure,
So shout out to all three of those albums.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I think it might be the last time I.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Spent a lot of money on music on one day.
I actually, I mean, obviously I bought some vinyl since then,
but brand new releases, shit, the record store took all
my money.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
That fucking day Man, So.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
June eighteenth, great day for hip hop. We got some
good tours out of This Day Timeless music, and that's
how I ranked those three albums. Anyway, Hey, if you're
watching this, I'm gonna try to do more shit like
this on the channel. Honestly, I would like to try
to do a weekly But let me know your thoughts
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if you guys like this vibe of video, because we
want to get away from just doing interviews, so that
way y'all can kind of get more of my take
on short and shit, especially when it comes to this
hip hop shit, you know. So yeah, leave a comment.
I'm sure a lot of people are gonna argue about
me putting French Montana in my top fifty.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Come on, guys, or Jesus better than Mac Miller or
you know whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
But leave a comment with your thoughts and if you
want more shit like this, we'll be back, hopefully next week.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I don't know if it's gonna be the same format.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I don't know if it's gonna be shot here, might
be at my house, who fucking knows, But thank you
for watching
All right, man bootlet keV here, I'm gonna start doing
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more videos like this where I talk about just what's
going on in hip hop in like a non toxic way,
as non toxic as possible, to be honest. But with
that being said, I wanted to talk about a few things,
one of which there is this New York rapper list
that came out on Complex. From what I understand, this
list is from twenty twenty three, but it's just gone
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viral again, and I think it is egregious.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
The list. If we look at it, they have jay Z.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Number one, Biggie number two, NAS number three, rock Him
number four, ll cool J's five fifty cents six, Nikki
is seven, DMX is eight, Bustin Rhymes is nine, and
Keras one is ten, and then you keep going throughout
the list, and you know, I think that there's some
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people on this list that are misplaced, and there's also
some Peo on this list that's just an absolute atrocity
that they're on it. Obviously, if this list is from
twenty twenty three, having didi at number forty eight, it's crazy.
I also would like to point out having Didiya as
number forty eight is insane period. I Spice should not
be on this list. Pop Smoke's really high. We could
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get into it. But I'm going to also say, I mean,
look love the biz Marquis, but biz Marquis was not
really known as much as an mc is more if
he was as an entertainer. But I did put together
a list of some of my I'm going to say,
I'm going to give five people, and there's a lot
of honorable mentions here, but I want to give my
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legit five that were snubbed from this list, all right,
and my number one draft pick as too far as
who was snubbed from this list, Lloyd Banks. The Lloyd
Banks disrespect has got to stop. This is one third
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of one of the most powerful groups in hip hop history.
On his own as classic mixtapes, he's got an incredible
discography of albums.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
And he's been on an insane run.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Over the last decade of I would say the last
five years of dropping incredible bodies of work independently that
always get overlooked. But if we're not putting Lloyd Banks
in the top fifty New York rappers of all time, like,
what the fuck are we doing? This is the punchline, King,
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you cannot have bizmarckuy Ice Spice.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
You know, no disrespect to Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I think Jimmy deserves to be on this list, but
I don't think deserves to be on this list. Over
Lloyd Banks, I don't think you know what do we again?
Lloyd Banks has to be on this list, So that
would be my number one snub that I would add
into this list. And what I noticed about this list
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there are mcs on this list who aren't technically from
New York City. For example, at number twenty, Slick Rick
is on the list who deserves to be on this list,
but he is from the UK. So I also, as
a draft pick my number two top fifty MC in
New York history, though not originally from New York. I
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think we can all agree New York is whom this
artist is most heavily affiliated with. When we think about
him and his partner DJ Premier and Gang Star, I'm
talking about Guru, one of the most distinct voices in
hip hop history. As a group, Gang Stars discography is
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all time.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
It's on the mantle. Again.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I'm looking at this list and I just can't imagine
not having Guru on a lie that includes Ice, Spice
and Cardi B. And that's no shade to Cardi because
I think Cardi deserves to be on this list as well.
All Right, So that's my second. So now we're kind
of getting into an interesting place here with I have
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a list because I want to go through my honorable
mentions because I do think there's members of Wu Tang
that deserve to be on this list that aren't. I
actually would put Inspected Deck on this list above ODB.
I think Inspected Deck has two of the greatest verses
in hip hop history, triumph Uh and Above the Clouds
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the Gang Star feature. Those are two of my favorite
verses ever. And I just think what he's done with
his new group and Inspected Deck has to be. If
you're gonna put ODB, you gotta put Inspected Deck. With
that being said, I'm not picking Inspected Deck as my
little Wu Tang tangent. I am gonna go though. I
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feel fel like I'm going super old school on a
lot of these, but this is a newer pick. You
cannot have the fifty greatest rappers in New York history
and not have Joey Badass. Why is Joey Badassing on
this list? Even if this list was made in twenty
twenty three, How are we not including Joey Badass on
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this list?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I feel like this list has a lot of.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I don't know what are we doing if Joey Badass
is on the list that you're including or you're not
including him, but you're including somebody like, you know, fucking again,
let's let's talk about fucking bismarcky like Joey Badass as
an MC. Why do we have Bizmarqui on the list
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if we don't have Joey Badass in twenty twenty three,
before we knew Diddy was Didlin? Why the fuck would
you have Diddy on this list if we don't have
Joey Badass So that's three.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I gotta go oh.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Ooh, this is tough because I'm gonna tip pick two
more that I feel like we're the biggest snubs that
we should do a little Swapperoni on MM. People won't
like this, but we're talking about now ten.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Fifteen year run French Montana.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I know that a lot it's popular to hate on
French Montana, but french Montana was, you know, besides Nicky
asap mob French was the only guy out of New
York putting hits on the board for a serious amount
of time. French is probably the only guy if you
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go to a nightclub in the South, or you go
to a nightclub on the West Coast, that you're gonna
hear a New York record being I mean, because we're
talking about pop French Montana Pop. That's one of the
greatest club songs of all time. I just think you
gotta have French on this list. If you're gonna go fifty,
you gotta have French on the list. And if I
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had to pick one more, it's tough. It's damn.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It's really really tough.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Because I have a few on here that I feel
like if I were to make this list that all
these names that I have kind of set aside would
be up there. I'm going right now, I'm contemplating between
teleb Quality and A Z and I'm gonna go with.
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If I had to pick five, I'm gonna go with
Azy Life's of Bitch. What are we talking about? Sugar
Hill or die It was? It was a hard decision,
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but those are my five. Let's go through the honorable mentions. Obviously,
Teli Kwali. I have Joel Santana as an honorable mention.
I also have Immortal Technique as an honorable mention. I
have Action Bronson as an honorable mention. And what I
noticed about this list is it said New York. It
didn't say New York City. So I do think it
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is an atrocity not to include the guys from Griselda
somewhere on this list.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
And by the guys, I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Like, I really think you can't go wrong with picking
any one of the three, but for me, it's Conway.
And I think if I'm looking at this list too,
I just want to kind of judge who's egregiously misplaced.
Pharaoh Manch at number forty nine is a fucking joke,
so Pharaoh mant should be a lot higher. I also
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think that if you're looking at this list, man Jada
Kiss at sixteen just feels wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
It feels fucked.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
And I gotta say one more other honorable mention. I'm sorry,
two more other honorable mentions that I actually had just
thought about in my head. Five Dog from a tribe
called Quest and Havoc Havoc from Mob Deep. Obviously, Prodigy
gets all the flowers of the MC. But come on, guys,
Havoc is a fucking incredible MC. I feel like this
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number eleven, instead of putting Prodigy, you just put Mob
Deep put the fucking group.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Man.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I also feel like, when we're talking about five, what
do we say, like Tribe called Quest to me is
the third greatest rap group of all time and fucking
Fife Dog five Dog. For fuck's sake, let's put Fife
on the list. So that's what I'll say. If I
had to take I'm not even gonna say who which
five I would take off? I kind of said earlier,
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but if I mean, if if you had to take
five off.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Oh, I don't even get all the way into that.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
For sure, I'm taking biz Mark off, I Spice off.
That's what I'll say. But that is this New York
list how I see it. Who was snubbed, the five
artists who I would put on the list that are
not currently on the list, and some of my honorable
mentions anyway, shout out to Complex or making this list
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still rage bait. Two and a half years later, however,
long it was also very random that they censored Fat Joe.
Why the fuck doesn't matter? If his name's fat, Joe
is fat. I mean, I don't know. Anyway, I'd like
to keep it moving because there's so much going on
in hip hop right now, specifically push a T and
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the Clips are dropping a new album.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Now.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
If you guys know anything about me, I do always
keep a Clips album on the wall behind me. Lord Willing,
I got assigned by Pusher T. I still need Mouse
to sign it. But this past week, the record so
Be It came out with uh push a T. Initially
a lot of people thought Pusha T was talking about
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Kanye West on this verse. Well, he did an interview
with GQ and he cleared that up. He was really really,
I mean, coming for Travis Scott's head on this record.
So Jesus Christ. First of all, I gotta say something.
The rollout for this Clips album has been fucking incredible.
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Between as Trumpets and so Be It, it feels like
an Album of the Year contender.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I have to say this. I am a huge push
A T. Fan. I am a huge Travis Scott fan.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I enjoy both of their music on a on a
level that is you know, I would say that I
would I would be there. P one in radio we
always kind of say, like, you know, you got to
talk to your p one. That's the people who are
like super loyalty, like when it comes to Push T
in the clips like Jesus Christ like, they're probably my
second or third favorite rap group of all time, and
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Push a T is one of my favorite mcs ever.
I have him on my all time list in the
top ten, which a lot of people wouldn't have.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
In fact, actually went viral.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Because me and Jim Jones debated about this was on
the Rap Caviar podcast. We debated about Push a Ta
being included in the top fifty MC list of all time.
He said he didn't deserve to be in there. I
fucking lost my mind. You could probably pull that up
on Silence you can kind of see it. But and
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I also really really love Travis. I think Travis makes
amazing bodies of work. With that being said, I guess
the issue at hand feels like a semi valid one
if you think about some of the moves maybe over
the years Travis has made. You know, when Travis first
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came into the game, Mahammie lifted. It is the guy
who made Mercy a producer for Phoenix. I remember before
Al Faraoh dropped, Lifted was telling me about Travis very
early on, because Travis is around during those super I
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guess what year was Mercy. I was living in Vegas
when Mercy came out, so that was probably twenty eleven
or twelve. With that being said, I was hip to
Travis pretty early, and then when Al Faroh dropped, I
fucked with Al Faraoh. We played a few records on
my underground hip hop show off at Al Faraoh. When
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we think of Travis, I think of Good Music and
Grand Hustle initially, because I think a lot of people
forget that Travis was signed a TI and Kanye.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
There was kind of like this.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Marriage of the two, you know, OG's kind of putting
on this young kid. So Travis very much a part
of the Good Music family certain point in time in
his career, quite literally a part of Kanye's family. And
with that being said, you know, Pusha T was the
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president of Good Music from twenty fifteen until recently, so
push A T does have a relationship with Travis and
has had a front row seat to probably some of
Travis's low points emotionally.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Et cetera. So I could understand if you're push and you.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Have Travis pull up on you to play Utopia with
Pharrell in the room. Now, it's been debated whether or
not Drake had dropped his verse for Meltdown yet, where
he talked about melting down Urell's chains. But either way,
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I think the point at hand is if we're close
enough for you to come into the studio with us
and play is your album, and then that the version
of the album you play does not include the Drake verse,
whether it was laid yet or not. Now, obviously, if
it was late already, that's just straight up fucking some
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host shit, some fucked up shit.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Right. According to academics, it hadn't been laid yet.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
But I do believe push A t said the next
day or it was that same week that the song
came out and they heard it. So you know, we're
not too sure about the timeline. But I would say,
if you're Travis and you value your relationship with Pharrell,
and you value your relationship with push A Te whom
which you just sat in the studio with and brought
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you a Utopia suitcase to to play this fucking album,
at the very least, you would think that you should
have a conversation with Pharrell and Push. It's at least
a phone call, right, Hey, guys, I know I just
played you the album just so you know, the same
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guy whom which I have sicko mode with. Just really
just drop the verse on the song Meltdown and you're
there's a shot towards you. How do you guys feel
about it? It's just to me, that's just kind of
the polite thing to do, it seems. I mean, the
one thing I say that about Push is Push don't
give a fuck.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
There was a clip of him talking about how when
Drake would come and work with Kanye when they were
in Wyoming, he couldn't be there because he's like, I
don't fucking play that shit Like I don't. I don't
play the politics. I don't care who you are. If
if it's up, it's up. And also let's point out
that pusha T is Kendrick Lamar is not the first
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person to beat Drake in a rap battle. That's all
I'll say. Push a T story of added on silenced
Drake like it, I mean, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
So Travis Scott, I'm sure he'll address it, but I
do think this brings us to another more interesting conversation,
and that would be if you were to take and
I would like to preface this conversation by saying, if
you were to take everything that both of these men
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are part of, Travis over here, Push A T, the
Clips over here, I think Push A T and the
music he's been a part of. If you take the Clips,
his discography and his solo discography, I think Travis Scott
gets decimated in that debate because I think the Clips
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have two classic albums. I think Lord Willing and Hell
Hath No Fury are classics. And I love, absolutely Love
Till the Casket drops. It's a fucking damn good project.
And then the Reap Gang shit.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
And you don't even got to get into the Clips
mixtapes Jesus. So let's let's do this.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Let's take all that aside, because I just said, if
I were to take Push A T and everything the
Clips was on, like all the Clips albums, I think
Push the T washes Travis scott discography to discography. I
don't even think it's fucking a discussion. And I love
Travis Scott's discography, but let's throw all the Clips albums
out the window, and let's just have this discussion.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Push A T.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Solo shit, Travis Scott's solo shit. So let's look at
these albums because I will say, in my opinion, and
this doesn't mean that pushes discography is better, but I
do think between both of their bodies of work, Daytona
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is the best album. So if you took all Travis's albums,
you took all PUSHA T's albums. I do think Push
A T. Daytona is the best album out of everything.
But let's go album for album, all right, I want
to go, are we starting with uh?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Are we starting with Rodeo? Or Days Before Rodeo? Because
Days Before Rodeo is on DSPs.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Now it's probably SSS Rodeo first, right, Oh, I gotta say,
I think Days Before Rodeo might be my second favorite track.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Okay, so it's four for four. M Okay, we'll do
four four V four.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I'm gonna go, Okay, astral World, Utopia, Birds in the
Traps Scene, McKnight, and Rodeo and then let me see
you Push the T Ship.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
It's almost dry Daytona. Uh, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
The best album between both of their discographies is Daytona,
But god damn it, man, I think Travis Scott, Astro World,
Birds in the Trap Scene, McKnight, It'stopia, Rodeo. If you're
just talking solo work, it's fucking close. Go back to Push.
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It's discography again. It's almost dry, so fucking good too. Man. Oh,
Daytona's the best album. I think It's almost Dry as
his second best album. I think King Push is number three.
My Name Is My Name is number four. Now, if
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we're ranking all of these albums, I think Daytona is
number one, then I think you gotta go Astro World
as number two. Fucking incredible album. It's a perfect album,
just like Daytona is. Then things can get interesting. I
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wasn't the craziest Utopia fan. I love Rodeo though. I'm
gonna put Rodeo at number three, and then number four.
I'm gonna put It's Almost Dry at number five. I'm
gonna put Birds in the Traps Scene McKnight, and then
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i'm gonna put Utopia, and then I'll put King Push
and my Name Is my Name. So I think that
that's a fair If we just go solo artists a
solo artists and there's not a bigger push a t
fan you'll find. I think Travis got him on the
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total discography.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Even though it's close.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I think once you enter the Clips into the conversation,
it's I mean, Travis gets destroyed for the sake of fun.
Let's put the Clips albums. Let's do the same countdown
we just did. All right, So if we're to do
this but include the Clips, it's gonna be ugly because
I would go, Hell hath No Fury is number one.
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I would go Daytonas number two. I would go Lord
Willin is number three. Then I would go astral World,
then I would go Rodeo, Then I.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Would go.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Till the Casket drops, and then the rest of the
list we already talked about earlier. So if you were
to combine both Clips and Push your Tea together, it's
it's a it's a wash.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
But if we're just talking just solo shit, it's close.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
I give the edge of Edgeter Travis shout out to
Push your Tea for fucking putting this shit on Wax.
One of the greatest of all time. Cannot wait for
this new Clips album. I'm hearing it as a classic.
Uh So shout out to them, shout out to Push,
out to Travis Scott, A shout out to the Clips.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Man.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I've probably spent like fucking four hundred dollars on Clips
t shirts since they've been dropping their merkout. They just
dropped a whole new collection of fucking merch. Shot to
the Clips. Looking forward to that album. It's coming out
July eleventh. All right. Another good thing today was June eighteenth.
And when I think back to June eighteenth, twenty thirteen,
that's twelve years ago. That's probably I mean, one of
the last days. I went to a record store, spent
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a bunch of money, and was super excited because Kanye
West dropped Easis, Mac Miller dropped Watching Movie with the
Sounds Off, and Jay Cole dropped his sophomore album Or
in Center.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
About all three, I loved All three.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I think it's kind of an interesting time period in
hip hop because.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
You know, it's.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Towards the end of the blog era, but not quite yet.
You know that Piff's still around, live mixtapes is still around,
and people were still going to the store to buy music.
I bought my shit at Zea Records in Phoenix and
I want to talk about just Kanye Man for a second,
because when this album came out, the buzz was so crazy.
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I remember he was doing these screenings listening sessions, if
you will, all across the country for Jesus, and I
remember he did one in Phoenix and we watched it
somewhere downtown. They like projected the album onto a wall,
and I remember kind of being thrown off. I was
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super thrown off by Jesus when I first heard it
as like a crazy Kanye fan.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I was just very like, this is different.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
It's probably Kanye's first or second most polarizing album of
the good stuff. So we got to be very clear
when I say of the good stuff, because I feel like.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Jesus, uh, it goes Jesus.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Life of Pablo Yay, and then things get hairy. You
get Jesus King. Donda was solid, and then anything after
Donda we're just kind of like chalk up to like
unfinished Kanye that he puts out. But I would say
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it's probably it's either Ato Eight's and Heartbreaks or Jesus.
When we think about polarizing, people either love these albums
or hated them. There wasn't a lot of people who
was like super in the middle of these two projects.
So Jesus to me is very high and I did
not initially love Jesus.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
It took it probably took like two weeks for to
really grow on me.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
But you know, I think back to what music sounded
like then and how much of a sonic risk Kanye
took on Jesus. And you know, we always hear about
Yay sampling people on certain albums, sampling people's vibes, having
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people around. I think he sampled Kid Cuddy on Ato
Wits and Heartbreaks, kind of sampled his sound, you know
what I'm saying, kind of did kid cutty shit to
the highest degree. And I think on Yeesus, Uh, he
sampled Travis Scott and Mike Dean. I mean, Mike Dean
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obviously handled a lot of the production on this album.
I think he've handled all of it, not like ninety
percent of it, But Travis Scott was around. You know,
Travis Scott helped write on some of these records. And
I think when you hear Yesus, it kind of makes
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Travis possible, you know, it makes Rodeo possible.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It makes days before Rodeo possible. For that.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
And I think it's aged, I mean gracefully when we
think about you know, one of my favorite Kanye songs
ever is Blood.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
On the Leaves.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Such a fucking incredible record. I also think Black Skinhead.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Banger, fucking banger. Also, Black Skinhead might have been a
little uh.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
He was living the crumbs.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
He was eating some crumbs here, I mean new Slaves.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Hold my Liquors probably my second favorite song on this album,
Hold my Liquor at Chief keyf on it, which is
crazy because I remember being like, why the fuck is
Chief Keef on this album? Fucking amazing. Of course, bound
To a lot of people like bound To, I'm not
as high as bound To as most people.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
That samples crazy, incredible sample and I'm in it. One
of the most aggressive sex songs ever.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
He said he'll put his fist in you like a
civil rights sign, and he was eating Asian pussy.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
All he needed was sweet and sour sauce. I love
this album.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I rank it very high in Kanye's discography, number three,
to be specific. I got My Beautiful Dark twis the
Fantasy Late Registration then uses that's my top three Kanye albums.
Got It above Graduation, Got It above College Dropout, So
I know that that's a hot take.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Do I got it above Cold drop Out?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Maybe definitely got it about Graduation? Really, I think Graduation
is Kanye's most overrated album.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I like it. It's a classic, but I just think
people put it too high. I think Yes is better
than Graduation. All right.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
So then you go to the mc miller aspect of this.
Mc miller dropped Blue Slide Park, which was his first
like studio album. A lot of people didn't love this album.
Blue Slide Park had some shit on it, yeah, free, yeah,
but I just don't think this. I remember Party on
Fifth Ave was like this Rado single and it was
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mac Miller's big coming out party. The problem is is
you know when you had a mixtape like Kids Out
and I think Macadelic might have was Macadelic Out before
Blue Slide Part I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
But I saw that. To say that.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
This album watch a movie with the sound off is
if you're if you're just looking for hip hop from
mac Miller, I don't think there's an album that fucks
with it.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Good Am might be one of them, but.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I think this is arguably the best album to come
out that day. Ah some of the features on this
album crazy absolute, Action Bronze and Red Dot music is
one of my favorite Action Bronson versus ever. You know,
bird Call was crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I mean I think about just like school Boy Q
and Mac Miller's insane chemistry and the rec and on
this album was just insane. And then this album too
came with a crazy tour. The tour that came from
this was uh.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
I went to it a celebrity theater in Phoenix. Was
Mac Miller.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I want to say the Internet and Chance the Rapper
and Action Bronson. For sure, Chance and Action Bronson were
on the tour. I think the Internet was on this
tour too, but I think I was. This is top
two or three most fucking high I've been at a
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concert moment for me. I was fucked up off an edible.
I had dabbed backstage with Action Bronson. That's on YouTube somewhere.
I was fucking cooked and Mac Miller had a full band.
One of my favorite concerts of all time and a
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kind of a final homage to the Blog era. When
I think of those three guys, Mac Miller, o g
Blog Era guy, Action Bronson, Chance the Rapper. You know,
Chance is probably the last great rapper to come out
of the blog era. I mean, I might be wrong
about that, but in my in my brain, I think that.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
That tour is crazy because it was so some some
dates had a chance to wrapper the internet. Vince Staples, Oh,
Vince was on the tour Earl Sweasher and Action Bronson. Yes,
so that is there. Yeah, that is crazy.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
And I was twacked. If you go on my YouTube channel,
you just look at blue Leg Action Bronson. There's like
a video. Yes, so look, so I know that.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
You recently started getting If you.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
You can mute that, but you see the dab brig
in the background. So this dude to Action Bronson took
advantage of me backstage, and I don't mean that like
I when I told him I had never died before,
this guy's eyes lit up and he said, oh, you
got a dab And then he's like, oh, now you
(32:03):
got to try a flavor.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
So he made me take three dabs back to back
to back.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
That's insane and I was fucking.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Twacked, bro Like this This is about as twacked as
an interview can get. And there's a few clips from
this interview, but yes, this was the night of the
mac Miller watching movies with the sound off tour backstage
Celebrity Theater.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Absolutely fucking twacked. Man, I was high as a motherfucker motherfucker.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Yeah, damn, dude, you're a helly Scroll back because you
could probably see another clip where I'm like, nonetheless, what
a fucking tour that was? Go down, scroll down from
the same it'd been maybe that h Yeah, let's see
if you can see how I am in this video.
Look me uploading minute, dude, I was fucking, I mean baked.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Get you.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, what a day?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
You see the fucking torch? What was this twenty thirteen? Yeah,
eleven years ago. Crazy times with the CM Punk shirt
for all you motherfuckers out there, see that CM Punk shirt,
the vintage. Anyway, we got a great tour from this album.
Also wanted we can't talk about tours coming from these
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three albums that I've mentioned the Eyasest tour because I
also think the easest tour of fuck, greatest concert ever
been to so with.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
The Mountain, the Mask, the merch.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
The merch was crazy, it was crazy. I got three shirts. Yeah,
I still got them all. Yeah, I was on the
floor for that show. I have the blue one when
he's like looking down with the chain. Yeah that one too,
one I got a bunch of them.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah uh yeah. That kind of changed merch too. Everything
that changed everything on the merch side.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
So yesus and then Jake Cole. I think j Cole,
you know, one of the greatest of all time. And
there are certain people, you know, just like there's certain
people who say nas it was written as his best album,
there's a lot of people who think that Born Center.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Is J Cole's best album over for Sails Drive.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I don't happen to be one of those people, but
I do love this album.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
The Illuminati Land of the Snakes is crazy.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
I mean, of course the singles were so crazy, power
Trip all that fucking but for Britain Fruit with Kendrick
was just amazing.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
The crazy thing too, is like this is during the
time where like supposedly, I'm sure when this album is
getting recorded, at the same time, there's probably like real
work or discussions about this J Cole Kendrick project that
we're never ever gonna hear or get. I know that
they did some stuff, but you know it's up there.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Are you more? Are you? You're a pretty big Jake
Cole Fan Cook, our producer Cook is here.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah no, and then let Nas down. Jesus Christ. I
want to say this Deluxe was like one of the
last Like Deluxe, I actually went out and bought you
know so.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
And janet Iko's on here amazing, amazing, you could smile,
such a great single.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Forbidden Fruit and Kendrick's verse on that, Oh my.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
God, insane.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
But I gotta so if we can rank these three
albums on any given day, I might change it. But
I think Borne Center's number three, Mac Miller watching movie
with the sound off, Watching Movies with the sound Off
number two, and.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I'm really high on us this man, I got a
number one. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I still have a shrink wrapped brand new Kanye Use
this album sitting in my death somewhere.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
I think, depending on the day for me, I could switch.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Between those between Mac Miller and Yeah for sure, for sure,
So shout out to all three of those albums.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I think it might be the last time I.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Spent a lot of money on music on one day.
I actually, I mean, obviously I bought some vinyl since then,
but brand new releases, shit, the record store took all
my money.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
That fucking day Man, So.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
June eighteenth, great day for hip hop. We got some
good tours out of This Day Timeless music, and that's
how I ranked those three albums. Anyway, Hey, if you're
watching this, I'm gonna try to do more shit like
this on the channel. Honestly, I would like to try
to do a weekly But let me know your thoughts
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if you guys like this vibe of video, because we
want to get away from just doing interviews, so that
way y'all can kind of get more of my take
on short and shit, especially when it comes to this
hip hop shit, you know. So yeah, leave a comment.
I'm sure a lot of people are gonna argue about
me putting French Montana in my top fifty.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Come on, guys, or Jesus better than Mac Miller or
you know whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
But leave a comment with your thoughts and if you
want more shit like this, we'll be back, hopefully next week.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
I don't know if it's gonna be the same format.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
I don't know if it's gonna be shot here, might
be at my house, who fucking knows, But thank you
for watching
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