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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do you currently still have a relationship with ya?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Yeah? Man, that's my that's my guy. Bro.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
I can't man, I may saved my life, Bro, I
can't you know when he you know, says what he
says in the public, I'm a lot more privy to
the full conversation versus the public.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Just get a little clip or a little bit, yeah yo.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
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Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yes, sir at this rapping shit Sy High the Prince.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
The show, I Mister Got. Y'all know the name, yo?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
First of all, brother, what what has been the like
the whole up? We've been waiting so long for new music,
new albums? So No Dope on Sundays was a fucking
incredible body of work. And it's funny because I didn't
realize how long ago it's been because I you know,
I was talking to Ace. It hit me and I'm like, yo,
what For some reason, I was like twenty eighteen, twenty nine,
(01:32):
it was twenty seventeen though in eight years.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's like to be honest.
That's why I named my album the Story of Mister
e Got. I want to give you a little context behind.
Yes please, the acronym e Got is Emmy Grammy Oscar
Tony right, and it was thought of by Philip Michael Thomas.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
So he's the black guy from Miami Vice. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
So he had a bunch of dreams and a bunch
of musical and acting at you know, things that he
wanted to do in life, and he never.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Got to do.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Those things do to politics and people not believing in them,
and I think that.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Comes you know, I relate to that.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Okay, So being a hip hop here from Atlanta is
a dynamic thing when you go to these labels and
you're telling them like, hey, I got eighteen samples, but
where's the trap song? That too, But a trap song
is easier to clear clear.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
You know, pay this little young produce with some money,
print it out. Whatever.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
With me, I'm really trying to do something that's groundbreaking,
something that lasts forever, something that you know, stays in
people lives. And you know, I have these A list
artists where unfortunately my friends aren't like local jokers.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
If I could say, also not the easiest things to
clear people, A lot of your homies are on major labels.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Exactly, you got to push, you got not push. It's
hard to clear, but you got ya traf.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
You got all these A listeners. So you know, I
think it scares them a lot of times. So a
lot of things I have to like work through a
lot of the business side of it to really get
the piece of work that I want to put out
versus like a diluted version of right.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
So for you, it's been kind of so I can
only imagine, right, there's probably so many different versions of
what your next album is supposed to be. On this
album is it because you probably never stopped recording?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Right? No?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
But what what is like what made because over this
period of time, is there a lot of older stuff
on this project that like was just no matter what
this is so time was so good that whatever I
do next this has to be on it.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Or was it all new stuff?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Like well, I would say about eighty percent of it
is new. Twenty percent of it is like stuff that
Yay gave me just out of the like you know,
he man trying to wrap on that. Man, I heard
you on this beat and I've always kept it to
like really add it to a body of work. But
I think, you know, at the end of the day,
(04:10):
most of it is done in this you know, past year,
year or two, and like I said, it's just something
that I'm just working through, just trying to get everything together.
On the business side, the clearances, these are a list
artists and a lot of times, man, these labels don't
be one to clear because they rather me help the artists.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
They rather you come in lend your pins, right.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yes, because they it's usually a swap.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah right right, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, I'm
gonna come and help you out, but I need the future.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
But then they're like, man, if we get this metal feature,
who's gonna do you? In a sense? You know. So
I think a lot of that goes into it.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
But it's just me like, at the end of the day,
want to be great and want to put out a
great body of work. And it's nothing that it is
cheap to do. And I think a lot of time
people have cheapen hip hop. So you know, when you
look at you know, your greatest albums all time, it's
gonna take a little bit of effort. And you know
(05:11):
all the money that I spent far as flying around,
you know, facilitating these sessions, and you know, I might
stay with an artist for a month and a half
just to get this feature, but I got to pay.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Hotels, flights, you know what I mean. I'm doing a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So it's just you know, but it's getting prepared and
it's ready to go. So we got a few more
little kinks to work out, but it is how are
you releasing the album? So right now, I'm with empirement
because I wanted to be able to see something from
this album as well. I don't want to be able
to give it to a major and they, you know,
(05:49):
not do what they supposed to do, and it's like
you be critically acclaimed, but you don't get none of
the residuals from it. So I wanted to make sure
this time I'm critically acclaimed because that's just what I am.
But also I get to see the residuals from you know, you.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Need to own your masters.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
And like the thing about like what's stuff about Empire
is that they will do the label shit for you
right right, but you don't have to worry about giving
up like the music, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
That's like it's a good situation over.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
There, and they're really good at like you know, I
feel like you're the type of artist that needs to
be in those Grammy conversations and they've done a really
good job of of like you know, whether it's like
the Freddie Gibs Alfredo projects was a project that was
on Empire.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
That was nominated for a rap out there. Sure, so no,
I think that's a good fit.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And they and they and they're moving like a major now.
So you know, they got Shaboozi Shaboozie.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
The number one biggest Billboard record of all time is
the Empire, right.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
So they're they're understanding that side of it, and that's
what I That's what I love about them too. So
I just think, like I said, it's a few kinks
we need to work out. But I think on the
most part, I think, you know, we're gonna get it
together and try to get it out the next couple
of months.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
That's important, man, talk to me for you like I
feel like, you know, I always have these conversations where
I feel like there's a few rap Jedis, I think
of Loop A Fiasco, Black Thought, Royce, I don't want
to forget. I mean, there's a lot of guys, you know,
Freddy's in that convo. I think Jid's getting in that convo.
(07:19):
But you're in that conversation where you are one of
just you know, one of the guys that nobody wants
it with. And when we talk about just mastering the
the skill of just this MC shit, you are in
you know, a tier of your own. You have very
few peers. Do you feel like you're underrated for is
(07:40):
it because of the lack of music that you know?
I mean, because you have some amazing mixtapes like Black
History Mixtape I've just listened to a few months ago.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
We got to bring that PIF back.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
But but like, why do you feel like you're a
little underrated? Because you've had these huge moments on records
and you have you know, even when when No Jope
on Sundays came out, I mean, fuck man, everybody was
fucking like I feel like you said, like that was
critically acclaimed, people loved it, but you're still underrated.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Because I make you know what?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Man?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I was talking about this the other day.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
It's like I'm just a solid nigga, So I make
sure my friends are overrated. And a lot of times,
like I grew up being this high level rapper and
I've always got that accolade. And I have peers that
never got it right and they called me, and I
feel like I give a lot of my time to
(08:39):
their projects, you know what I'm saying. So a lot
of things, A lot of the albums you guys love, My.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Energy is there.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
You're in the room.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, Yes, I'm not gonna say which ones.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
It was easy to figure that out, right, but you
know what I'm saying, I'm in the room, so I
think that's what's you know, been my thing, and I
want to you know, that's why I named the album
mister Egot as well.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It's just me being a part of.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Those think tanks of music and you should use this sample,
you should shoot the video like this, you should dress
like this. Like a lot of that is my influence,
you know what I mean. So I want to be
able to show that on my album and people can
actually see like, oh, this is what he's been giving
us for the past twenty years or fifteen years since
(09:26):
you know, you've really heard me in the I would
say from what I was, I would say my career
like officially started like two thousand.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
And nine ten era.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Right, because Girls Summer was twenty ten. That was on
my Beautiful Dark No, I know, but I'm thinking, yeah,
you're right, you were you Oh yeah, you were dark
because you were you were part of the whole, the
whole what was this shit called when y'all had the
suits on the and the good Fridays. Yeah, you are
(09:57):
some of the best, good Friday record. By the way,
that is one thing. For the love of christ. I mean,
Kanye is just putting out random ship right now. If
we could just get a good Friday dsp drop right No,
for sure, that ship that was a fucking era. That
was an era, man, blog era of hip hop. Yes,
(10:18):
good Fridays was like.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
What was the the talib record, the chain heavy ship,
the ship with the J Cole.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Record was was crazy looking for trouble, looking for trouble.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Oh my god, that was the time. Man.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I missed those days too, because it was like kind
of when we were all together, you know what I mean,
not even not even just on the music side, on
the on the fashion side, like with Virgil, was there done?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
You know?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I just think, man.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
The powers that be broke us up.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Mmm.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I think the powers that be started Nick picking at
that situation. You know how it be like when you
win a championship and everybody to go to Golden State
and try to get all their players off.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
The team or the coaches or the coaches.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, that's what happened to us.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Like he got so powerful that people was like, man,
we'll take We'll take the third stream.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Just give us big shun, come over here, darn I.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Get over So they was just nit picking at us,
and I think that's what kind of like took out
those key clogs in our in our you know, in
our situation. I think everybody start doing their own thing
and then you know it's spared from there.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah, not what for you man?
Speaker 4 (11:35):
That era at you're kind of like because at that time,
like Sean's not quite Sean yet, right, uh, You're you're,
like you said, new on the scene. It's really like
pusha T's probably the guy because Common wasn't really around.
That was kind of passed, like Common being around the
Good Ship too much.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
But now Becoming was around that time during that time.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
To change was around to change.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
But I just want like what, like what what were
some of your fondest memories were you like, because I
feel like that's a point in time and like that
leading up to My Beautiful Dark Tress and Fantasy where
it's like it's it's there was an aesthetic about that
time period of the Good Music Ship and it really
did feel like you, like you said, like like a
team until it wasn't until it felt like well something,
(12:23):
what's going on? Here, like everybody's kind splintering, everyone's kind
of going their own direction.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I think, man, it started with I would say yay,
was a lot more.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I wouldn't say.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I won't want to say focused, because he's super focused
at all times.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I just think he was taking his time back there.
I remember he was. He was writing his wraps. I
was like one of the things, like he's he never
rolled a wrap after that.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Little things, those little thing.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I remember he used to walk around with this notebook,
this little yellow and you know, the little yellow thing.
He had all these raps and he would wrap them
to me and I could I was just fanned out
at that point.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I would that that was during.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
That time, I'm happy to be here, right, So.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Back in those days, that's I think that's what it was.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And I think, you know, it was coming off the
Taylor Swift thing, and I think he had I just
think that everybody was focused. Everybody was like, we're coming
back to like prove the world wrong that this man is.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
The greatest curator, producer.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Artist, whatever to ever live. And I think we accomplished that.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
I mean, I think by all counts, like the album
that came out of that period was perfect, perfect, And
I think when you talk about like the greatest albums
of all time, I I just I there's the Omatics,
there's the I think Doggie styles in the Corbo, and
it's like my beautiful darkness and fantasy is just.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
And one thing I want to say, I freestyled my
verse off the top off the and that shit was like.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I was just in there playing man.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
The story to that is so crazy, man, because I
had you know how they say God gives and take it.
And during that time, my sister was battling cancer and she.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Passed away while I was out there, damn.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
And at the same time, I had got a chick
pregnant and she wanted to have an abortion. And I'm
telling her it's like, you know what's going on right now,
you know what's going on, And she wasn't trying to
hear it because at that time she was like her
career was taken off. She's like, man, it's like young
nig I'm dealing with I ain't fnna be And I
(14:42):
was just such in a low place and I'll never forget.
I was on the way to the abortion clinic and
Yay called me from like an eight o eight number,
Hawaii number, but I didn't know it was him because
he didn't have a phone at the time.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
He only used email at the time.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
He was like super locked in Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Right And I thought it was the weed man from
Hawaii because I was he always used to call random
Hawaii numbers. But he hit me like, y'all this yay
I'm like what click. He called me back, y'all this
yay man. I'm like, bro quick playing on my phone
hung up again. He called back again, like, man, why
you play like nah? This kin for real? Bro? I
(15:20):
mean here with Jay and b Man. They just told me, man,
I got to keep you on this record. You just
first you did on Stow Parp. Fucking crazy. He just
going crazy on the phone, and I'm just like I
just seen a light at the end of the tunnel
and that moment kind of like saved my life.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
He just saved my life in general.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
But that right there, him and beyond saying Jay Z
in the room all at one time, was.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Just on a riz beat, on a risk beat.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Just like, yo, you've killed this like I gotta That
was like one of my highlights. And I always my
dream was always to do a record with Yay and Jay.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Is he just separately though?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You come out the gate.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I think God did that. He messed me up.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I'm like, God, you could have like set that bar
like that was.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
You hadn't dropped Real Flush yet, right, that was?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
No, that's the album that That's.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
What I'm saying, Like Real Flesh was.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, it had just came out, or it had just
came Real Flesh mixtape just came out. I'll never forget.
When I walked in the studio, Yay was playing it.
He was playing Stutter, he was playing Sedel, you know,
he was playing all my mixtape joints. And when I
walked he was like yo, and everybody like, oh, there
he goes. It was just like a big ever Rolls
(16:39):
was right there. It was just like this ship is unreal,
you know what I mean. So that was like, you know,
my welcome to the industry moment.
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What is uh?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
It feels like, uh, you know, things are crazy at
the moment, but you know, what is your relationship?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Do you do you currently still have a relationship with Yah?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah? Man, that's my that's my guy.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I can't man, that may saved my life, Bro, I can't.
You know what I mean? And you know me, I'm.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Privy to a lot of conversation behind the scenes, so
you know when he you know, says what he says
in the public. I'm a lie more privy to the
full conversation, so he gets to explain it more to
me versus the public just get a little clip or
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Yeah, I think a lot of the ship that like,
he's the point he was trying to prove with some
of the ship was like very like understandable. It's the
delivery where it's like you're gonna lose a lot of
people with And that's with anything Kanye or not. It's
like the delivery. If it isn't, it's almost like you gotta.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Because you don't know him well.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
It's also like it's also like you gotta feel like,
you know, if you had to feed your your dogs
in medicine, you got to put the medicine in a
treat get them to take it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
So I think a lot of shit he's.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Saying about pointing out like, hey, uh, there's an entire
industry that eats off of black trauma and pain and
it's okay. But if I bring up someone else's I
get that point. I get that perspective.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I just feel like the way he you know, but
I think, yeah, I think, yeah, you know, I'm a
fucking but, like I always say off record, bout the
goddamn im about to got him stem player because I
love Kanye so much. It's right there, Oh right, I spend.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
But like I said off record, if you get to
sit around him at dinner, or you get to walk
the beach with him on pool side or take a
car ride, is deliver a lot different for sure, But
you know it's you know, people don't get to see
that much of him.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I got to have like a cool convo with him.
I was there the night that Vultures was supposed to
come out, and they yeah, and I went with Tie
and uh that was what was that? At the Four
Seasons in Vegas we finished the album. It was like
it was chaos in that room, but it was so
(19:43):
fucking cool. But I got this was the first time
I met Kanye when I was little because my brother
Rams is his brother is in a group called Dilated People,
so and they opened up the College Dropout Tour. So
I got a picture with Kanye when I was like fifteen.
But then I got to chop it up with him
at that event. It was it wasn't even an event
at that whatever the fuck in his hotel, his finishing
vultures and super nice guy man. But no, I wonder
(20:06):
what are your thoughts man, because you obviously are really close.
You're kind of in this weird perspective perspective because one
you're you're very much tied in with everybody. How does
it feel to kind of see like this push of
Travis thing happening because you're good with both of them,
and you know, for me, it's like it's just like
(20:28):
as a good music guy, you know, like that's how
Lifted put me on the Travis Scott remember the producer
Lifted before our Pharaoh Drop. I remember Lifted was like,
you don't understand this kid's the future, so I know
him through good music and to just see the whole
I guess the you know, whatever you want to call
it's going on right now.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Man?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You know, like some people are like dream driven and
some people are like integrity based, and I think those
two things can class sometimes.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
And what I mean is.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Like like early on in my career, I had a
beat that no Id Yay gave me that no Id
did Okay Those gonna be My first single is Whoopedy
dude with me and Big Sean. I had to just
settle for it being a mixtape song because it really
need even come out because NAS wanted to beat because
(21:23):
No I d gay to beat.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
The Naves, Trav would have went on and put that
out to fuck it, fuck it.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Me, I'm integrity based. I'm like, okay this, no ide this, Yeah,
I gotta this.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
NAS. I don't want to mess Nast.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I might want to do a record NOS later.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
You know what I'm saying, versus I should have put
that out and reconciled with NAS later. You get what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
And to me, I think that's what the mindset trapped
me in. Sometimes it's like I got this record. It
might be dissing my partners or disappear by love you know,
fuck with. But it's like, I'm not gonna turn down
a Drake feature, right, you get what I'm saying, versus
like to.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Me, I'm gonna be like, hey, Drake, how you doing? Man?
I love the verse man appreciated. It's just one line,
can you like change that one? Fuck me?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Just so I ain't in the middle of that like
on the on the lighter side, right, you know, try
I ain't do that.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Well I wonder too because you are also like in
a similar because you helped write on Sickle Mode and
a lot of people would say that Drake took some
slight shots.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
And that got me in a pickle. Yeah, you know
what I mean. But I didn't know Drake was gonna
be on it.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Because that was the one that got like that record
got finished, really like close to the finished line of
the album being turned in, So you didn't even know,
like I'm writing on this record, there's these issues behind
the scenes, and then the song comes out and you're like.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Ah fuck.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
But at the same time, it's like Drake, no album,
and whose song? He can do that? All right? You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
You know that if he feel like you ain't gonna
do nothing, he gonna put it on your album, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
But me, he can't do that on me.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, you can't do that on everybody.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Everybody, because everybody's like, hey man, Dre, I love you.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Bro Versus was incredible, but you gotta gotta change that one, right,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
So that's how I would have took it.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, what was that something where you had to like
tell ya, like, yo, hey, I didn't I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, I definitely did.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, but you know he was I know he I
didn't even know he dissed him until I like, like
I actually knew where Drake stayed in the neighborhood because
I hadn't like been in his house and stuff like that.
Well I had, but I didn't know that they stayed
in the same neighborhood. I was like a you know,
lower on the Total Bowl, those type of questions. But
(23:50):
after I figured it out, was like, dang, why you
let him do us like that?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
You being still super close with Push, being super close
with Ya still, do you feel like there's ever a
chance to like ever get those two guys together again?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Man?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I can't. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I mean, they both successful, great human beings. I just
think they just think differently, and I like, I'm a
little bit of hybrid. So I was a good kid
growing up. I was a terrible kid, mean me, but
I wasn't a street dude until I got into like
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the tenth grade, like seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Then I start getting into the streets.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Then I understood street politics and how they think. So
I understand what push you're saying, and I understand what
you're saying, so I can't even like, I mean, it's
nothing that I can put together because I'm not.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Like, I don't have that much cachet.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
That's fair really like bring them two together. But hopefully, man,
one day in the future we get to like relive
those moments, like I miss Tya and Jay together, Like
I just missed those moments.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Like nah, for sure, we all do shit.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
That's heartbreaking, bro.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I probably my favorite tour I've ever been to was
a heartbreaking Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
I mean, I don't know. I think he's his tour
is probably my favorite tour. But jay Z and Yay
together was crazy. The Wash the Throne tour was insane.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Do you know?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I wonder because you know, right now it feels like,
how do you feel about the Kendrick Drake shit that transpired?
It feels like it has brought back a certain attention
and appetite for rapping and people breaking down lyrics, and
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you know, it's kind of like, you know, I got
to give it to Kendrick because when you got a
six and a half minute record like Euphoria come out,
you got the whole world breaking it down online, and
there's so many lines.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
In there to you know, dissect, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
And and I see the excitement for this CLIPS album
and their rollout has been incredible and j I D
Just just did something dope. It feels like that this
is like a perfect time for this album.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Man, it's so crazy, Like I'm cool with all those
guys like me and j I D.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Is from the same part of town.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Man, he's fucking incredible.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Uh, Drake and Kendrick just they actually made made it
so if you can't wrap, you got to sit on
the sideline. Yeah, And I think that's what rap's been missing.
I think, I mean, their situation is a little tricky.
I really think people were taking it too serious, like
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it's just a rap battle, man, And that's the way
I would want those type of rap battles to happen,
because you know, truly in America, when you rap about somebody,
it's it's somebody's dropping.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
It's some adualties of that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
So the fact that, I mean, I know they probably
had little situations going on around it, but I think
that was good for hip hop. I think Drake is
an amazing artist. I think Kendrick is an amazing artist,
but I think Kendrick is a little more from that claw.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
That claw. Yeah, and you know what's curry. I would
tell people this Drake gave it a little more than
it he should have gave it.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I think he paid too much attention to it.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I mean, I was just it ain't that serious kind
of Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
It's almost like it started off with like a line
and the line.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Was like, motherfuck.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
The Big three issues speak to me like I get it,
but it's like you really didn't have to sign up
for this brou.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
But it ain't even I'm just I'm just saying it
in a fun like like this is what I thought. Like,
you know, during the pandemic, Drake had the caffeine battle lead.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yep, yeah, you hear them, dudes.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
They they said some egregious.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Ship for insane shit for sure.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
And they after the battle they smoke a blood, you know,
they dapping up like it ain't no violence or no
kind of real animosity towards that, and they talking. I
see some of the pre battles when they like doing
the like face off, they talking to each other.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Crazy, and then afterwards it's like a good game man.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, So it's like, if you love that culture and
understand that, you know that you really ain't a fat
of five.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Were just saying your teetering the line that you're too
low to mold up.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
That's why I think that Euphoria was such a perfect record,
because it was it almost foresaw everything and it was
the biggest warning ever.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Hey, you could take it down if you want, but
just know, because I think we missed out on the
lot of like, what's.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Drake new record?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
What did I miss?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
People would have put that out You're in the rap bottle.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
And said so personally, he should have been like, man,
you know, he's a great artist, one of the greatest
artists in hip hop for right from America. You know,
salute to him. I'm coming back with my new ship.
Wait on this, What did I miss?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
You would have got that?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, man, I just don't know if it ever be
the same man.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, I thought that would have been dope just to
get it in that time period.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
I just know when that Meet the Grahams came out
right after Drake put out that other ship, like thirty
minutes later, you get that Meet the Grahams over that
Alchemist spectally just like.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Oh, it was like a horror movie, right it was.
It was man.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
And then you know the other thing too, is like
Kao followed up with like a commercially viable album. But
he's got the you know that the critic Darling albums.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
You know, you know why he did that. You know
how he could have did that.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
And this is what I tell he never pandered his
whole career. Never he could have did that West Coast album.
Anytime a Butterfly gave you, he's damn he gave you
everything else.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
So by the time he needed that Ace car, I
could do this too. It didn't even sound.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Like and not like us set the set the table
for him to Oh, no, y'all like that, I got something.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I got a whole project after.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
So he to me, that's he's just in you know,
he integrity man like he takes he's an integrity goud know.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Kendrick like, oh, he's staying like you said.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I think that's why him and Pusher, So they're very
aligned in that because you you just I mean, I
know a lot about Kadok, like some stuff behind the
scenes where it's like he watches how.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
People move and if people move or do certain things.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
It's I just automatically know, like he's okay, well this
is how you move.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
You're over there now.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
For when I ran into him, the first thing, he
was like, Man, I'm glad you okay, Bro, I heard
about your situation. And this was like two years after
my situation happened. I'm like, damn, bro, I appreciate that.
You know he was on the Freshman cover together.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Damn that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, And we was like that was my best Like.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Was Meek mill on that too? It was Meek You.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Meet me, Kendrick, little B, Big Crid, little B. Why
G was on there? Why G was on there? Fred
to God's Son?
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah, yellow Wolf, yell God.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Damn the Yellow Wolf. A few a few, a few
weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
You did well. I see what wolfs doing doing? Good man.
I love wolf Man.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
But at that at that at that whole week we
was together, Kendrick was like the one I kind of
vibe with, Like me and him was kind of like,
and you got your jedis Man, so I respect him.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
That's crazy. What a legendary Freshman cover? You like, look back,
It's funny too, because I really remember vividly like people
not liking YG being on that cover because at that time,
I don't think the industry really up from a big
perspec But it's like why G's had a fucking career and.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
He like he's a etiche is super dope. Like I
don't know if they knew he was gonna be there.
I didn't know he was gonna be there because I
think he.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Was gonna be that.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
You know, you didn't boot it going up, and he
had mixtapes like La Shit going.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
But I feel like, but I think La. I knew
he had that potential because he's from La, and.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
My Crazy Life came out and just I feel like
I was like, oh, this is La.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Know how to keep the artists rounded, right, Like you
ain't got no choice. Then you got to come home.
You got to deal with these politics, right, So it's
like come on home, brother, like so you mind will stay,
you know, in tune. And I think he just sharpening
his image up, put out some great songs, put some
great bodies of work, and you know, you got artists
(32:42):
like you know, y'all got a great musical.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
It's a great musical city in LA.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
With it is doctor Dre right now. It's feeling good too, man.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
And like right now, it feels like a lot of
the industry is it's either Atlanta or LA in terms
of the artist, the studios, you know. I mean, obviously
New York is still always gonna be New York, but
it feels like everybody kind of is ending up in
LA or Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
See even in Atlanta. Like that's the thing, Like.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
It's harder in Atlanta because they don't really respect the
music side of That's what I've been pushing. That's why
my plight has been a little tougher because I've always
pushed music and my city is just so street. It's like,
who do have smacked some who got the bags? Who
laid some shit down? And it's like I feel like
(33:34):
that kind of put us, you know, the louchi thug stuff.
It kind of like made us have to take a
step back and evaluate. That's why you haven't heard a
lot of music come out Atlanta. And I think, now,
who's about.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Like belly Gang, Cushy Tins.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Oh yeah, that's my guy.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
See belly Gang is like what the new Atlanta about
to sound.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
I'm just glad because he's back, like I feel like
I told him this. I'm like, man, it's good to
hear a new artist rapping about getting it and not
rapping about killing their ops, right, because that's kind of
like it's like, all right, dude, the op killing shit's
got a chill, Like we get it, Like, let's get
back to these bars of this money like one of
the two, you know what I'm saying. But now I
(34:15):
feel like, obviously Jaed D's I feel like jaded. He's
gonna take a big leap man.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
And when you think about Belly Gang two, Belly Gang
got bars, Belly Gang finisg he ain't just swagging and
trap money with you. He really saying some shit.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
And he's super.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
The thing about him too that I love is he's
vulnerable on his record, you know, very open with his ship.
He's not afraid to be vulnerable. He's not afraid to
talk about his mom and you know shit that he's
going through in life. So I think that's one of
the most important things as an artist you can have.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Hey, you gotta stop the interview. You want to give
a shout out.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Man.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
The only thing we smoke, ladies and gentlemen is slap Woods.
That's right.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Make sure you follow them at slap Woods. And you
know the reason why we smoked Flapwoods, it's literally because
they slap You ain't smoking slabbers. What the fuck are
you doing? Get back to you for.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
You on this project? What is like is there? Do
you feel like you got a chip on your shoulder?
Speaker 4 (35:10):
You're trying to prove something with this album because when
you think of mister E got right, When I think
of of all those awards, it's not.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
That many people who are ego. I think Jennifer Hudson's
that he.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Got, yeah, Jif Legendohn Legend. Oh, it's a few actors
that have it as well.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
That's a big thing to manifest, the big thing to
put out there.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Right Well, I think before I was kicked out of school,
I was doing theater. I was going to Soapstone that's
what it's called in Atlanta. But you know, I was
doing theater, plays, different things like that, played in the band,
I did a little bit everything, just being a creative, yeah, creator,
(35:48):
and then the streets just took over.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
So it was just like fuck.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
But I think the way I wanted to do this
album is I just wanted to kind of give my
life story in different perspectives. So I broke my like
how royal flush is you know, Presser Spade, Press of
Diamonds for I did Emmys feel like a television show,
Grammy sound, Grand Oscar sounds suspenseful, movie score, and Tony
(36:15):
is like live drums, spoken word, you know what I mean.
So that's kind of like the conglomerate of music that
I put together for this album.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
And yes it is.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
I do got to point to prove because I'm showing
niggas like you can't fuck with me on this mic.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
That's what I'm really showing it.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
But also in depth, I'm showing you first person, third person.
It's suspenseful, it's giving you different perspectives. I got different
characters on it.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
It's like a.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Full fledged like collage of just art and music with
a street foundation to it. I don't think nobody has
ever heard anything like this, Like this is gonna be groundbreaking,
Like my goal is to win the Emmy Ran Me, Oscar,
Tony on one album. That's big, So let's go, let's go,
(37:05):
let's get it.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
It's too because you know I would I say that
like you you you were talking earlier about like Yay
writing his ship down for that album, and I feel
like we've gotten so into this like punching culture and
hip hop where like people aren't taking their time of
making songs as much. Everything's microwavable, and it's like you
can't make time a music unless you take.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Time doing it, you know what I'm saying, right, Like.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
You got to be intentional with every line, every bar,
and it's like that's just out the window these days.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
And that's my thing.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
My thing is conceptually driven. Like I don't be like
like a lot of people be trying to compare like
artists rappers to me because they lyrical. Like I'm not lyrical.
It's disrespectful to call me lyrical. Like I'm lyrical, But
these are things that I experienced. This ain't no shit
I read in the fucking text book, right, And a
(37:55):
lot of yeah, a lot of these new lyrics is
are like just smart kids who dropped out of college, right,
You know what I mean that I'm not a drop
out of college.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I dropped out in tenth grade. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
This shit is experiences that I just that was just
you know, embedded in my brain and I just regurgitate
them into music and put it on the mic and
it just comes out like that.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Do you feel like you know you said like this
is this is your life? And we talked a little
bit earlier about kind of the Atlanta scene and how
crazy it is kind of like you feel when you
were coming up and doing what you were doing in
the streets, Like I kind of feel like kind of
talk about concepts of the concept of the last album
was very much like there.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Was at least some sort of like.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Unwritten rules to follow, some sort of standards you wouldn't
cross in the streets.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Do you feel like this new generation, all that shit's
out the window.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, I mean a lot of that is out the window.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
And it's it's because everybody want to be famous, everybody
want to make money, and they just go to the
furthest extent to do it. Like I'm gonna walk it down,
So I'm not gonna rush my situation no matter what
it is, like, i just gotta walk it down slowly,
(39:14):
but surely I gotta hit them all. So I think
a lot of times guys want to skip those steps
so expedite they they fame or you know that feelings.
So what they do, they they passed the integrity line.
Ain't gonna do some shit, that's just sure, and deal
with the consequences later, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
But when you're from the street like.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Them, consequences came back asap, so you gotta be very careful.
And I think that's the thing where it's like the
fine line between hip hop is like we have let
you know, the ambitious kids in that you know, after
Yay dropped out of college, like a lot of these
kids are like not from that that that grass understanding
(40:01):
like the repercussions of disrespecting somebody or you got the
streamers that just came.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Oh man, the disrespect.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
This is weird. I'm on line.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
All I'm seeing is people blowing up firecrackers in people houses.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Oh I just saw that this morning.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I'm like, why is this viral?
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Like I just saw that this morning.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
There was like a Duke Dennis was like running around
this house and fucking up everyone's shipping then blowing it up.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
It's like this is really it feels like a felony,
Like what do we do?
Speaker 1 (40:36):
But it's like it's gotta be a rental.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
But it's like jackass, Like it's some jackass for sure.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
That was like the only show when we came up
that black ass. Yeah, it's like everybody.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Everybody's on jackass in real life trying to just do crazy.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Shit for clicks for sure.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, it's wild times. Man.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Can you give us any sort of insight on any
of the features on the album?
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Oh? Man, you know, man, I got some good ones. Well,
you know, the family's on there to chain. I got
tied Yay, Russ Russ, Pink Sweats.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Green, It's Atlanta greats.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Hey, Russ Russ is one of them guys who when
he wants to step outside. He had them them them
munch projects where he was fucking barring out right.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
I got some guys that was on the album every Kneag,
So we need to get them back on it, you
know what I mean. Like my boy Jack Harlowe, me
and him got a we had a record, but you know,
I got to see if I can get him on
the you know label situations.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
So he was on the record and then he they
didn't clear it.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
I wouldn't say they It's just like you know most artists, man,
when they do a song or do a verse, they
wanted to come out tomorrow, And I'm not that type
of artist, Like I want this thing to come out
when it's supposed to come out and how it's supposed
to come out and have the impact it needs to have.
And you know, people just like throw music out, they
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don't have no intentions for it. And that's what man,
the circle back around, that's what makes the greats great.
It's intentional. Yes, Kendrick is intentional. He ain't throwing no
shit out hey and seeing.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
If it's stick.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
Nope, he got a because like you said, it's like
when you're making music as an artist, you have to
be to I feel like to be in those conversations.
You have to be self aware of like legacy of
like where does this fit in the culture, where like
how is this going to hit people? How is this gonna?
Is this gonna last ten years from now, twenty years
(42:42):
from sure?
Speaker 3 (42:44):
That's why I Pusher can just still put the clips,
can still come out and have that gravitaze because they
intentional with and people know they're going there for that.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
And that rollouts.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
You's been crazy?
Speaker 1 (42:55):
What what you know?
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Because Russ put out Chomp and I think you were
you were on Chomp too.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah with who Banks? What was up because Russ, a.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Lot of people don't know, came up in Atlanta. What
was the genesis of Was he just reaching out? Like
because I know for those albums he wanted to just
get everybody, and just because he's he's the kind of
guy whos always got a chip on the shoulder, so
he's like, I want to show everybody I can rap
with everybody.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Now, he's a hip hop hit. He's a he's a
he's actually.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
He's actually a pioneer of a lot of the way
these kids put out music, but they don't know they
don't have the love for it that Russ has.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
No, he's it, He's it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
He's got the passion for real, and he has.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
The respect for it like a lot of times people
like come into hip hop and really don't have the respect.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Just because you can.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Do it don't mean I don't mean you should do
it exactly right.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
So I think that's what makes him great is because
he still has the respect for it as well.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
No, I agree, man, Now I think he's he's super underrated.
So album is still not quite finished.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
But it is coming. It is finished. I know you
say you had a couple of tweaks.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
That's that's like.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
But not like mixing, mastering. Okay, okay, that's like. So
the album is finished. You just got to get the
paperwork on some of the ship put together exactly.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
So that's the last things we're doing.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
And like I said, when you're working on some classic
it takes that a little bit. So just getting these
last bit of clearance is these artists agreements getting out
and hopefully they come back, but if they don't, the
shit will be out anyway and it'll be without them.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
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Let's get back to the interview. Give me, give me
your I am curious. I don't want to. I don't
(45:24):
want you to tell me who you think is the
greatest of all time? Your personal favorite Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Of mcs, my top what is that? Four?
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Four of them? Not again.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
I feel like there's the one list where you're like, yes,
that's like jay Z, Yeah, greatest of all time, favor your.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Personal faith is the greatest of all time.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
I'm just saying that, like I think that's the answer.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
But maybe like someone might not necessarily say Jay is
one of their favorite mcs, but they can acknowledge he's
the greatest.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
He's the greatest he's my favorite.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
So both things can be true.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
So the whole is definitely Mount Rushmore. I would say
Eminem is definitely Mount Rushmore, like I'm a fan of
like early on Eminem two. I guess because I was
a cue when he came out.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
I got like an underground Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Give me my A team is j M T I
And I would say, yay, those are my like four
but see, my undergrounds are like mystical, mystical big l.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
I would say I was a d MX fan.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
I love DMX coming up, and I would say.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Like my last would be like and my last is
so ill.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
I would have to go, it's two of them though,
to outcasts. I would just love outcasts growing up.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
I wouldn't even say, I mean a lot of your
undergrounds not underground.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Yeah, but they was like, I mean, that's just like
my eighteen d T because you know, mystical with underground either.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
But he was he was unpredictable cool cool when I
was a kid, and I love no Limit like ghetto
Dope and all that ship master P. But mister cool
was that he just had that voice on uh.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
He used to be going make him say that verse
I'm like, oh, who's this fucking guy? Like I used
to grow, I used to love Sean Paul from Young Bloods.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
Talk about underrating Sean Paul never fired, he never did
not eat a feature.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Bahagen o'hagen was crazy like I used to like the
Atlanta artists who like Ship Passive Trub was incredible, Like
I said.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Like that was just you know all all that's in
my gumbo.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
What's your favorite TI album?
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Oh man, damn damn all his album trap Music?
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Probably mean it's like trap music or what was one
after that? Underground legend or the urban urban legend Urban.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
My favorite top ten rap song is still Ain't Forgave Myself.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
That's top ten rap song all time.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
My favorite tip song is doing My Job produced by
Kanye West.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Yeah, Miles, Miles is still Ain't for Game Myself.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
And that mixtape erranted when he was doing the Dragon
for beat Ship.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Oh my god, but you ever if you ever heard
t I on Field Moll song.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Which one?
Speaker 4 (48:38):
I know that probably because I had I had both
feel my albums. I had the O G one and
then I had the one that had the DTP joint.
I forget which'a I was.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
And speaking of Clips.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
I could rapped Clips first album front to back, amazing,
Like I could wrap that album like I rapped Reasonable
Day out front to bat.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Yeah, we were talking about that earlier.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
I'm like, I think Hell has no Curious the better album,
but Lord Willing is my favorite. Like that album meant
way more to me. I mean, I feel like even
like I was just.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
I was just listening to uh their last album from
nine till the Caskie Drops, and I'm like, damn, this
shit was crazy too, right.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
But see they was on those two albums.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
I feel like they were just showing off their skill
set like Lord Willing.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
The crazy thing is I had to think.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
I was riding back with them joints in the truck
right to drop and my buddy.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
I'm from Virginia.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
We rolled all the way home to that one CD,
praying we don't get pulled over.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
That shit is but just meant something.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
To me with because I never heard of My buddy
was like, man, you got to hit the boy.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
The boy talking that shit.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
So when I first heard, I was like, oh, just
to be like twenty years later, Pushes like one of
my best friends is.
Speaker 4 (49:59):
Like i'd be Pushes like you know how you said
your your list, I got pusha so my my, like
I guess you would say my underground or it's like
pusha T it's Freddy probably killing Mike, and it's probably
I might ride with the Big l two. But it's like,
(50:22):
then you got the four for me, It's like it's
three stacks, it's Hole, it's Knaves, and it's it's Kendrick.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Now I got Kendrick in that Kendrick. Kendrick got that
top five album to that fucking good.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Kid Mas City. It's in there, man, whoever made that
with him?
Speaker 4 (50:38):
My goodness, goodness man, yo, whatever, you know, it's funny
because I was you know, I'm real tight with the
homie lifted who did Mercy, and so I was able
to have I was privy to hearing some stuff that
was supposed to be on Cool Winter auh and I
know that that was a thing that was supposed to
(51:00):
happen whatever, Like you know what what like like how
many records did y'all do for that?
Speaker 2 (51:05):
We did? We did a few.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
We did about ten to twelve. But that's when, like,
to be honest, that's when like motherfuckers started taking off
was taken off.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
That's when.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Pick guys out of the Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
All, let me tell you some on Cruise Summer, all
two trains versus. He did all three of his verses
in twenty minutes.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Max, Jesus, that's fucking crazy. He was out in the
hotel room.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
Yes, Bro in La. He never heard the song or nothing.
They played the beat one time, maybe two times Max
on Eat Mercy, all of them. He just went in
there and just like eight bars, eight bars, that bitch
was done.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
I said this nigga.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Is incredible crazy.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Oh yeah, for what you say, I can't even I
can't even say no bullshit that fast.
Speaker 4 (51:59):
I always say, Chain says the illest shit in the
slickest way. Yes, Bro, he'd be saying. Like his new
album with Larry June, the one the Alchemists produced, Oh
so good man, Yes bro to Chains, one of the ones.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Man, Alchemist. I love Alchemists too. Now. I don't know, man,
I don't fuck with me. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
I got you and alcnld do a whole album.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Together, Man, what come on?
Speaker 1 (52:23):
That'd be crazy?
Speaker 4 (52:24):
No, but I do feel like the like I remember
hearing a song for Cool Winner that was similar to Mercy, but.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
It was called trash Bags.
Speaker 4 (52:34):
Yeah, and Push was talking about essentially it was like
bring the money out in trash bags because you're gonna
make it rain so much that the money had to
be put in trash bags.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Man.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
I remember that record. That was a real record. Yeah,
that was a real record.
Speaker 4 (52:48):
And I'm like, damn it, this shit came out right
after Mercy. I'm like, this is like the Mercy fucking
step Son.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Like you know what I'm saying that that fucking era.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
Everybody was picking at ya, like everybody was picking at
his team, like, oh.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Push, we need you here. The fucking big Shun.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Yeah, kigts is that dance record going crazy.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Nikki and he you know, he was collaboring with Drake
all of them. Now he out of here cut. He
always been out.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Of here cut, He's always been cutting. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Then he did that Tiana album.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
That Tiana he gave her all them damn beats man.
Them beats man hurt my soul for her to get
all over. I mean, she did a great job with him,
But I was just thinking, like, God, damn.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
Bro, did they ever have you, like ever discussed maybe
you doing one of those seven song albums.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Yeah, I was supposed to do one because.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
There was that twenty eighteen era we Get Daytona, we
Get the NAS album, we Get Kitsy Ghosts.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
We Get The Shot was my song first really yea
by the way, one of the two songs I really
love on that.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Project, Cop Shot that Kill was my song. Bro, I
had a bunch of songs.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
That was my song. We was just talking about it,
like I had to do. I did this song called
flash on on the.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
Block Freestyle that Camper gave a song the Doja Can't
That was gonna be my first single. I had the
no Live Beat with two Chains and Drake.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
That was to be my single.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Wait wait, which which dochi song was being I forget
it's the first song.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
I forget what album it was, but it was Doja
Dojah Can't. But it's just like a lot of time,
I always got into them situations.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
It seems like Naza snatched two songs from you because
we talked about the no Idea one earlier.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
Yo, how do you find out that that the cop
shot the kid? Because that song is fucking nuts.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
They asked me to give it to him. Does he
really liked it? I would have been like you can't
stay on it, but you know, I just be like,
I'm a team player, and it be like.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
You get other beats from know, you get other beasts
from him, and I got a few on this album
from them, so that to me is better than those.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
But so you do have some a production on the album, Yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
I got about four or five of them.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
That's big.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
I'm like, I'm using all of my production because like
it's so nostalgic, you don't get you don't get to
hear it.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
And I got the ones.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
Right, Yeah, we don't get to hear the Kanye production.
I think that like we like love anymore. And not
to say that he's not making that stuff, because I
really enjoyed, uh the First Vultures a lot, and some
of the Vulture stuff that didn't end up coming out
was incredible. But I love the First Voltures, but it
was different. It was very much like it was a
(55:42):
different it was different, like I'm.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Talking about when he actually he's touching hard.
Speaker 4 (55:46):
Yeah, yeah, the NPC or the ASR ten. It's like
it's different like those days. I feel like I don't know,
I mean, ship he can tell.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
You man, take that snare out now he's telling somebody.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
Now, that's crazy. So new album coming soon, hopefully real,
hopefully for that the summer.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
Yeah, absolutely, story and mister e Gott you will be
getting at the next sixty days.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Visuals already kind of thought Outsu's already done. Oh so
you're already You're ready, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
I'm ready. I'm just waiting on these last little.
Speaker 4 (56:15):
I love it, man, well, I can't wait to hear
the album. I appreciate you pulling up, man, new I'm
on the way and it's about time.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Yes, sir, I can't believe it's been eight years.
Speaker 3 (56:23):
Yeah, man, yeah, I mean me putting out my own
personal album.
Speaker 1 (56:28):
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
Yeah, but you know I was gonna put one out
in twenty twenty one, but pandemic.
Speaker 4 (56:34):
Hit, so I was like, ah see, motherfuckers over overthought
that they pump faked themselves out. So many good, so
much good music came out in the pandemic.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
Yeah, I should have gone, I should have went on
and put it out. But you know, we're back at it.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
Damn, my guy. I appreciate you pulling up.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Hi, Yes, sir,
Do you currently still have a relationship with ya?
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Yeah? Man, that's my that's my guy. Bro.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
I can't man, I may saved my life, Bro, I
can't you know when he you know, says what he
says in the public, I'm a lot more privy to
the full conversation versus the public.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Just get a little clip or a little bit, yeah yo.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
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Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yes, sir at this rapping shit Sy High the Prince.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
The show, I Mister Got. Y'all know the name, yo?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
First of all, brother, what what has been the like
the whole up? We've been waiting so long for new music,
new albums? So No Dope on Sundays was a fucking
incredible body of work. And it's funny because I didn't
realize how long ago it's been because I you know,
I was talking to Ace. It hit me and I'm like, yo,
what For some reason, I was like twenty eighteen, twenty nine,
(01:32):
it was twenty seventeen though in eight years.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's like to be honest.
That's why I named my album the Story of Mister
e Got. I want to give you a little context behind.
Yes please, the acronym e Got is Emmy Grammy Oscar
Tony right, and it was thought of by Philip Michael Thomas.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
So he's the black guy from Miami Vice. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
So he had a bunch of dreams and a bunch
of musical and acting at you know, things that he
wanted to do in life, and he never.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Got to do.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Those things do to politics and people not believing in them,
and I think that.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Comes you know, I relate to that.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Okay, So being a hip hop here from Atlanta is
a dynamic thing when you go to these labels and
you're telling them like, hey, I got eighteen samples, but
where's the trap song? That too, But a trap song
is easier to clear clear.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
You know, pay this little young produce with some money,
print it out. Whatever.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
With me, I'm really trying to do something that's groundbreaking,
something that lasts forever, something that you know, stays in
people lives. And you know, I have these A list
artists where unfortunately my friends aren't like local jokers.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
If I could say, also not the easiest things to
clear people, A lot of your homies are on major labels.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Exactly, you got to push, you got not push. It's
hard to clear, but you got ya traf.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
You got all these A listeners. So you know, I
think it scares them a lot of times. So a
lot of things I have to like work through a
lot of the business side of it to really get
the piece of work that I want to put out
versus like a diluted version of right.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
So for you, it's been kind of so I can
only imagine, right, there's probably so many different versions of
what your next album is supposed to be. On this
album is it because you probably never stopped recording?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Right? No?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
But what what is like what made because over this
period of time, is there a lot of older stuff
on this project that like was just no matter what
this is so time was so good that whatever I
do next this has to be on it.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Or was it all new stuff?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Like well, I would say about eighty percent of it
is new. Twenty percent of it is like stuff that
Yay gave me just out of the like you know,
he man trying to wrap on that. Man, I heard
you on this beat and I've always kept it to
like really add it to a body of work. But
I think, you know, at the end of the day,
(04:10):
most of it is done in this you know, past year,
year or two, and like I said, it's just something
that I'm just working through, just trying to get everything together.
On the business side, the clearances, these are a list
artists and a lot of times, man, these labels don't
be one to clear because they rather me help the artists.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
They rather you come in lend your pins, right.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yes, because they it's usually a swap.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah right right, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, I'm
gonna come and help you out, but I need the future.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
But then they're like, man, if we get this metal feature,
who's gonna do you? In a sense? You know. So
I think a lot of that goes into it.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
But it's just me like, at the end of the day,
want to be great and want to put out a
great body of work. And it's nothing that it is
cheap to do. And I think a lot of time
people have cheapen hip hop. So you know, when you
look at you know, your greatest albums all time, it's
gonna take a little bit of effort. And you know
(05:11):
all the money that I spent far as flying around,
you know, facilitating these sessions, and you know, I might
stay with an artist for a month and a half
just to get this feature, but I got to pay.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Hotels, flights, you know what I mean. I'm doing a lot.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So it's just you know, but it's getting prepared and
it's ready to go. So we got a few more
little kinks to work out, but it is how are
you releasing the album? So right now, I'm with empirement
because I wanted to be able to see something from
this album as well. I don't want to be able
to give it to a major and they, you know,
(05:49):
not do what they supposed to do, and it's like
you be critically acclaimed, but you don't get none of
the residuals from it. So I wanted to make sure
this time I'm critically acclaimed because that's just what I am.
But also I get to see the residuals from you know, you.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Need to own your masters.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
And like the thing about like what's stuff about Empire
is that they will do the label shit for you
right right, but you don't have to worry about giving
up like the music, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
That's like it's a good situation over.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
There, and they're really good at like you know, I
feel like you're the type of artist that needs to
be in those Grammy conversations and they've done a really
good job of of like you know, whether it's like
the Freddie Gibs Alfredo projects was a project that was
on Empire.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
That was nominated for a rap out there. Sure, so no,
I think that's a good fit.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And they and they and they're moving like a major now.
So you know, they got Shaboozi Shaboozie.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
The number one biggest Billboard record of all time is
the Empire, right.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
So they're they're understanding that side of it, and that's
what I That's what I love about them too. So
I just think, like I said, it's a few kinks
we need to work out. But I think on the
most part, I think, you know, we're gonna get it
together and try to get it out the next couple
of months.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
That's important, man, talk to me for you like I
feel like, you know, I always have these conversations where
I feel like there's a few rap Jedis, I think
of Loop A Fiasco, Black Thought, Royce, I don't want
to forget. I mean, there's a lot of guys, you know,
Freddy's in that convo. I think Jid's getting in that convo.
(07:19):
But you're in that conversation where you are one of
just you know, one of the guys that nobody wants
it with. And when we talk about just mastering the
the skill of just this MC shit, you are in
you know, a tier of your own. You have very
few peers. Do you feel like you're underrated for is
(07:40):
it because of the lack of music that you know?
I mean, because you have some amazing mixtapes like Black
History Mixtape I've just listened to a few months ago.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
We got to bring that PIF back.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
But but like, why do you feel like you're a
little underrated? Because you've had these huge moments on records
and you have you know, even when when No Jope
on Sundays came out, I mean, fuck man, everybody was
fucking like I feel like you said, like that was
critically acclaimed, people loved it, but you're still underrated.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Because I make you know what?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Man?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I was talking about this the other day.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
It's like I'm just a solid nigga, So I make
sure my friends are overrated. And a lot of times,
like I grew up being this high level rapper and
I've always got that accolade. And I have peers that
never got it right and they called me, and I
feel like I give a lot of my time to
(08:39):
their projects, you know what I'm saying. So a lot
of things, A lot of the albums you guys love, My.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Energy is there.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
You're in the room.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, Yes, I'm not gonna say which ones.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
It was easy to figure that out, right, but you
know what I'm saying, I'm in the room, so I
think that's what's you know, been my thing, and I
want to you know, that's why I named the album
mister Egot as well.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It's just me being a part of.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Those think tanks of music and you should use this sample,
you should shoot the video like this, you should dress
like this. Like a lot of that is my influence,
you know what I mean. So I want to be
able to show that on my album and people can
actually see like, oh, this is what he's been giving
us for the past twenty years or fifteen years since
(09:26):
you know, you've really heard me in the I would
say from what I was, I would say my career
like officially started like two thousand.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
And nine ten era.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Right, because Girls Summer was twenty ten. That was on
my Beautiful Dark No, I know, but I'm thinking, yeah,
you're right, you were you Oh yeah, you were dark
because you were you were part of the whole, the
whole what was this shit called when y'all had the
suits on the and the good Fridays. Yeah, you are
(09:57):
some of the best, good Friday record. By the way,
that is one thing. For the love of christ. I mean,
Kanye is just putting out random ship right now. If
we could just get a good Friday dsp drop right No,
for sure, that ship that was a fucking era. That
was an era, man, blog era of hip hop. Yes,
(10:18):
good Fridays was like.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
What was the the talib record, the chain heavy ship,
the ship with the J Cole.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Record was was crazy looking for trouble, looking for trouble.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Oh my god, that was the time. Man.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
I missed those days too, because it was like kind
of when we were all together, you know what I mean,
not even not even just on the music side, on
the on the fashion side, like with Virgil, was there done?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
You know?
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I just think, man.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
The powers that be broke us up.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Mmm.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
I think the powers that be started Nick picking at
that situation. You know how it be like when you
win a championship and everybody to go to Golden State
and try to get all their players off.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
The team or the coaches or the coaches.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, that's what happened to us.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Like he got so powerful that people was like, man,
we'll take We'll take the third stream.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Just give us big shun, come over here, darn I.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Get over So they was just nit picking at us,
and I think that's what kind of like took out
those key clogs in our in our you know, in
our situation. I think everybody start doing their own thing
and then you know it's spared from there.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah, not what for you man?
Speaker 4 (11:35):
That era at you're kind of like because at that time,
like Sean's not quite Sean yet, right, uh, You're you're,
like you said, new on the scene. It's really like
pusha T's probably the guy because Common wasn't really around.
That was kind of passed, like Common being around the
Good Ship too much.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
But now Becoming was around that time during that time.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
To change was around to change.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
But I just want like what, like what what were
some of your fondest memories were you like, because I
feel like that's a point in time and like that
leading up to My Beautiful Dark Tress and Fantasy where
it's like it's it's there was an aesthetic about that
time period of the Good Music Ship and it really
did feel like you, like you said, like like a
team until it wasn't until it felt like well something,
(12:23):
what's going on? Here, like everybody's kind splintering, everyone's kind
of going their own direction.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I think, man, it started with I would say yay,
was a lot more.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
I wouldn't say.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I won't want to say focused, because he's super focused
at all times.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I just think he was taking his time back there.
I remember he was. He was writing his wraps. I
was like one of the things, like he's he never
rolled a wrap after that.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Little things, those little thing.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I remember he used to walk around with this notebook,
this little yellow and you know, the little yellow thing.
He had all these raps and he would wrap them
to me and I could I was just fanned out
at that point.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I would that that was during.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
That time, I'm happy to be here, right, So.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Back in those days, that's I think that's what it was.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
And I think, you know, it was coming off the
Taylor Swift thing, and I think he had I just
think that everybody was focused. Everybody was like, we're coming
back to like prove the world wrong that this man is.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
The greatest curator, producer.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Artist, whatever to ever live. And I think we accomplished that.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
I mean, I think by all counts, like the album
that came out of that period was perfect, perfect, And
I think when you talk about like the greatest albums
of all time, I I just I there's the Omatics,
there's the I think Doggie styles in the Corbo, and
it's like my beautiful darkness and fantasy is just.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
And one thing I want to say, I freestyled my
verse off the top off the and that shit was like.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I was just in there playing man.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
The story to that is so crazy, man, because I
had you know how they say God gives and take it.
And during that time, my sister was battling cancer and she.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Passed away while I was out there, damn.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
And at the same time, I had got a chick
pregnant and she wanted to have an abortion. And I'm
telling her it's like, you know what's going on right now,
you know what's going on, And she wasn't trying to
hear it because at that time she was like her
career was taken off. She's like, man, it's like young
nig I'm dealing with I ain't fnna be And I
(14:42):
was just such in a low place and I'll never forget.
I was on the way to the abortion clinic and
Yay called me from like an eight o eight number,
Hawaii number, but I didn't know it was him because
he didn't have a phone at the time.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
He only used email at the time.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
He was like super locked in Hawaii.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Right And I thought it was the weed man from
Hawaii because I was he always used to call random
Hawaii numbers. But he hit me like, y'all this yay
I'm like what click. He called me back, y'all this
yay man. I'm like, bro quick playing on my phone
hung up again. He called back again, like, man, why
you play like nah? This kin for real? Bro? I
(15:20):
mean here with Jay and b Man. They just told me, man,
I got to keep you on this record. You just
first you did on Stow Parp. Fucking crazy. He just
going crazy on the phone, and I'm just like I
just seen a light at the end of the tunnel
and that moment kind of like saved my life.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
He just saved my life in general.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
But that right there, him and beyond saying Jay Z
in the room all at one time, was.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Just on a riz beat, on a risk beat.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Just like, yo, you've killed this like I gotta That
was like one of my highlights. And I always my
dream was always to do a record with Yay and Jay.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Is he just separately though?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
You come out the gate.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I think God did that. He messed me up.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I'm like, God, you could have like set that bar
like that was.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
You hadn't dropped Real Flush yet, right, that was?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
No, that's the album that That's.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
What I'm saying, Like Real Flesh was.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Yeah, it had just came out, or it had just
came Real Flesh mixtape just came out. I'll never forget.
When I walked in the studio, Yay was playing it.
He was playing Stutter, he was playing Sedel, you know,
he was playing all my mixtape joints. And when I
walked he was like yo, and everybody like, oh, there
he goes. It was just like a big ever Rolls
(16:39):
was right there. It was just like this ship is unreal,
you know what I mean. So that was like, you know,
my welcome to the industry moment.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
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What is uh?
Speaker 4 (17:34):
It feels like, uh, you know, things are crazy at
the moment, but you know, what is your relationship?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Do you do you currently still have a relationship with Yah?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yeah? Man, that's my that's my guy.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I can't man, that may saved my life, Bro, I can't.
You know what I mean? And you know me, I'm.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Privy to a lot of conversation behind the scenes, so
you know when he you know, says what he says
in the public. I'm a lie more privy to the
full conversation, so he gets to explain it more to
me versus the public just get a little clip or
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Yeah, I think a lot of the ship that like,
he's the point he was trying to prove with some
of the ship was like very like understandable. It's the
delivery where it's like you're gonna lose a lot of
people with And that's with anything Kanye or not. It's
like the delivery. If it isn't, it's almost like you gotta.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Because you don't know him well.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
It's also like it's also like you gotta feel like,
you know, if you had to feed your your dogs
in medicine, you got to put the medicine in a
treat get them to take it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
So I think a lot of shit he's.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Saying about pointing out like, hey, uh, there's an entire
industry that eats off of black trauma and pain and
it's okay. But if I bring up someone else's I
get that point. I get that perspective.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I just feel like the way he you know, but
I think, yeah, I think, yeah, you know, I'm a
fucking but, like I always say off record, bout the
goddamn im about to got him stem player because I
love Kanye so much. It's right there, Oh right, I spend.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
But like I said off record, if you get to
sit around him at dinner, or you get to walk
the beach with him on pool side or take a
car ride, is deliver a lot different for sure, But
you know it's you know, people don't get to see
that much of him.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I got to have like a cool convo with him.
I was there the night that Vultures was supposed to
come out, and they yeah, and I went with Tie
and uh that was what was that? At the Four
Seasons in Vegas we finished the album. It was like
it was chaos in that room, but it was so
(19:43):
fucking cool. But I got this was the first time
I met Kanye when I was little because my brother
Rams is his brother is in a group called Dilated People,
so and they opened up the College Dropout Tour. So
I got a picture with Kanye when I was like fifteen.
But then I got to chop it up with him
at that event. It was it wasn't even an event
at that whatever the fuck in his hotel, his finishing
vultures and super nice guy man. But no, I wonder
(20:06):
what are your thoughts man, because you obviously are really close.
You're kind of in this weird perspective perspective because one
you're you're very much tied in with everybody. How does
it feel to kind of see like this push of
Travis thing happening because you're good with both of them,
and you know, for me, it's like it's just like
(20:28):
as a good music guy, you know, like that's how
Lifted put me on the Travis Scott remember the producer
Lifted before our Pharaoh Drop. I remember Lifted was like,
you don't understand this kid's the future, so I know
him through good music and to just see the whole
I guess the you know, whatever you want to call
it's going on right now.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Man?
Speaker 3 (20:47):
You know, like some people are like dream driven and
some people are like integrity based, and I think those
two things can class sometimes.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
And what I mean is.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Like like early on in my career, I had a
beat that no Id Yay gave me that no Id
did Okay Those gonna be My first single is Whoopedy
dude with me and Big Sean. I had to just
settle for it being a mixtape song because it really
need even come out because NAS wanted to beat because
(21:23):
No I d gay to beat.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
The Naves, Trav would have went on and put that
out to fuck it, fuck it.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Me, I'm integrity based. I'm like, okay this, no ide this, Yeah,
I gotta this.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
NAS. I don't want to mess Nast.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I might want to do a record NOS later.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
You know what I'm saying, versus I should have put
that out and reconciled with NAS later. You get what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
And to me, I think that's what the mindset trapped
me in. Sometimes it's like I got this record. It
might be dissing my partners or disappear by love you know,
fuck with. But it's like, I'm not gonna turn down
a Drake feature, right, you get what I'm saying, versus
like to.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Me, I'm gonna be like, hey, Drake, how you doing? Man?
I love the verse man appreciated. It's just one line,
can you like change that one? Fuck me?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Just so I ain't in the middle of that like
on the on the lighter side, right, you know, try
I ain't do that.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Well I wonder too because you are also like in
a similar because you helped write on Sickle Mode and
a lot of people would say that Drake took some
slight shots.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
And that got me in a pickle. Yeah, you know
what I mean. But I didn't know Drake was gonna
be on it.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Because that was the one that got like that record
got finished, really like close to the finished line of
the album being turned in, So you didn't even know,
like I'm writing on this record, there's these issues behind
the scenes, and then the song comes out and you're like.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Ah fuck.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
But at the same time, it's like Drake, no album,
and whose song? He can do that? All right? You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
You know that if he feel like you ain't gonna
do nothing, he gonna put it on your album, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
But me, he can't do that on me.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Yeah, you can't do that on everybody.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Everybody, because everybody's like, hey man, Dre, I love you.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Bro Versus was incredible, but you gotta gotta change that one, right,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
So that's how I would have took it.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, what was that something where you had to like
tell ya, like, yo, hey, I didn't I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, I definitely did.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, but you know he was I know he I
didn't even know he dissed him until I like, like
I actually knew where Drake stayed in the neighborhood because
I hadn't like been in his house and stuff like that.
Well I had, but I didn't know that they stayed
in the same neighborhood. I was like a you know,
lower on the Total Bowl, those type of questions. But
(23:50):
after I figured it out, was like, dang, why you
let him do us like that?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
You being still super close with Push, being super close
with Ya still, do you feel like there's ever a
chance to like ever get those two guys together again?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Man?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I can't. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I mean, they both successful, great human beings. I just
think they just think differently, and I like, I'm a
little bit of hybrid. So I was a good kid
growing up. I was a terrible kid, mean me, but
I wasn't a street dude until I got into like
(24:32):
the tenth grade, like seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Then I start getting into the streets.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Then I understood street politics and how they think. So
I understand what push you're saying, and I understand what
you're saying, so I can't even like, I mean, it's
nothing that I can put together because I'm not.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Like, I don't have that much cachet.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
That's fair really like bring them two together. But hopefully, man,
one day in the future we get to like relive
those moments, like I miss Tya and Jay together, Like
I just missed those moments.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Like nah, for sure, we all do shit.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
That's heartbreaking, bro.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I probably my favorite tour I've ever been to was
a heartbreaking Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
I mean, I don't know. I think he's his tour
is probably my favorite tour. But jay Z and Yay
together was crazy. The Wash the Throne tour was insane.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Do you know?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I wonder because you know, right now it feels like,
how do you feel about the Kendrick Drake shit that transpired?
It feels like it has brought back a certain attention
and appetite for rapping and people breaking down lyrics, and
(25:47):
you know, it's kind of like, you know, I got
to give it to Kendrick because when you got a
six and a half minute record like Euphoria come out,
you got the whole world breaking it down online, and
there's so many lines.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
In there to you know, dissect, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
And and I see the excitement for this CLIPS album
and their rollout has been incredible and j I D
Just just did something dope. It feels like that this
is like a perfect time for this album.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Man, it's so crazy, Like I'm cool with all those
guys like me and j I D.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Is from the same part of town.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Man, he's fucking incredible.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Uh, Drake and Kendrick just they actually made made it
so if you can't wrap, you got to sit on
the sideline. Yeah, And I think that's what rap's been missing.
I think, I mean, their situation is a little tricky.
I really think people were taking it too serious, like
(26:45):
it's just a rap battle, man, And that's the way
I would want those type of rap battles to happen,
because you know, truly in America, when you rap about somebody,
it's it's somebody's dropping.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
It's some adualties of that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
So the fact that, I mean, I know they probably
had little situations going on around it, but I think
that was good for hip hop. I think Drake is
an amazing artist. I think Kendrick is an amazing artist,
but I think Kendrick is a little more from that claw.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
That claw. Yeah, and you know what's curry. I would
tell people this Drake gave it a little more than
it he should have gave it.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I think he paid too much attention to it.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I mean, I was just it ain't that serious kind
of Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
It's almost like it started off with like a line
and the line.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Was like, motherfuck.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
The Big three issues speak to me like I get it,
but it's like you really didn't have to sign up
for this brou.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
But it ain't even I'm just I'm just saying it
in a fun like like this is what I thought. Like,
you know, during the pandemic, Drake had the caffeine battle lead.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yep, yeah, you hear them, dudes.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
They they said some egregious.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Ship for insane shit for sure.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
And they after the battle they smoke a blood, you know,
they dapping up like it ain't no violence or no
kind of real animosity towards that, and they talking. I
see some of the pre battles when they like doing
the like face off, they talking to each other.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Crazy, and then afterwards it's like a good game man.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yeah, So it's like, if you love that culture and
understand that, you know that you really ain't a fat
of five.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Were just saying your teetering the line that you're too
low to mold up.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
That's why I think that Euphoria was such a perfect record,
because it was it almost foresaw everything and it was
the biggest warning ever.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Hey, you could take it down if you want, but
just know, because I think we missed out on the
lot of like, what's.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Drake new record?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
What did I miss?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
People would have put that out You're in the rap bottle.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
And said so personally, he should have been like, man,
you know, he's a great artist, one of the greatest
artists in hip hop for right from America. You know,
salute to him. I'm coming back with my new ship.
Wait on this, What did I miss?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
You would have got that?
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, man, I just don't know if it ever be
the same man.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Yeah, I thought that would have been dope just to
get it in that time period.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
I just know when that Meet the Grahams came out
right after Drake put out that other ship, like thirty
minutes later, you get that Meet the Grahams over that
Alchemist spectally just like.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Oh, it was like a horror movie, right it was.
It was man.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
And then you know the other thing too, is like
Kao followed up with like a commercially viable album. But
he's got the you know that the critic Darling albums.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
You know, you know why he did that. You know
how he could have did that.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
And this is what I tell he never pandered his
whole career. Never he could have did that West Coast album.
Anytime a Butterfly gave you, he's damn he gave you
everything else.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
So by the time he needed that Ace car, I
could do this too. It didn't even sound.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Like and not like us set the set the table
for him to Oh, no, y'all like that, I got something.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
I got a whole project after.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
So he to me, that's he's just in you know,
he integrity man like he takes he's an integrity goud know.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Kendrick like, oh, he's staying like you said.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I think that's why him and Pusher, So they're very
aligned in that because you you just I mean, I
know a lot about Kadok, like some stuff behind the
scenes where it's like he watches how.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
People move and if people move or do certain things.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
It's I just automatically know, like he's okay, well this
is how you move.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
You're over there now.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
For when I ran into him, the first thing, he
was like, Man, I'm glad you okay, Bro, I heard
about your situation. And this was like two years after
my situation happened. I'm like, damn, bro, I appreciate that.
You know he was on the Freshman cover together.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Damn that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah, And we was like that was my best Like.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Was Meek mill on that too? It was Meek You.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Meet me, Kendrick, little B, Big Crid, little B. Why
G was on there? Why G was on there? Fred
to God's Son?
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah, yellow Wolf, yell God.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Damn the Yellow Wolf. A few a few, a few
weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
You did well. I see what wolfs doing doing? Good man.
I love wolf Man.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
But at that at that at that whole week we
was together, Kendrick was like the one I kind of
vibe with, Like me and him was kind of like,
and you got your jedis Man, so I respect him.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
That's crazy. What a legendary Freshman cover? You like, look back,
It's funny too, because I really remember vividly like people
not liking YG being on that cover because at that time,
I don't think the industry really up from a big
perspec But it's like why G's had a fucking career and.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
He like he's a etiche is super dope. Like I
don't know if they knew he was gonna be there.
I didn't know he was gonna be there because I
think he.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Was gonna be that.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
You know, you didn't boot it going up, and he
had mixtapes like La Shit going.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
But I feel like, but I think La. I knew
he had that potential because he's from La, and.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
My Crazy Life came out and just I feel like
I was like, oh, this is La.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Know how to keep the artists rounded, right, Like you
ain't got no choice. Then you got to come home.
You got to deal with these politics, right, So it's
like come on home, brother, like so you mind will stay,
you know, in tune. And I think he just sharpening
his image up, put out some great songs, put some
great bodies of work, and you know, you got artists
(32:42):
like you know, y'all got a great musical.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
It's a great musical city in LA.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
With it is doctor Dre right now. It's feeling good too, man.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
And like right now, it feels like a lot of
the industry is it's either Atlanta or LA in terms
of the artist, the studios, you know. I mean, obviously
New York is still always gonna be New York, but
it feels like everybody kind of is ending up in
LA or Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
See even in Atlanta. Like that's the thing, Like.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
It's harder in Atlanta because they don't really respect the
music side of That's what I've been pushing. That's why
my plight has been a little tougher because I've always
pushed music and my city is just so street. It's like,
who do have smacked some who got the bags? Who
laid some shit down? And it's like I feel like
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that kind of put us, you know, the louchi thug stuff.
It kind of like made us have to take a
step back and evaluate. That's why you haven't heard a
lot of music come out Atlanta. And I think, now,
who's about.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Like belly Gang, Cushy Tins.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Oh yeah, that's my guy.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
See belly Gang is like what the new Atlanta about
to sound.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
I'm just glad because he's back, like I feel like
I told him this. I'm like, man, it's good to
hear a new artist rapping about getting it and not
rapping about killing their ops, right, because that's kind of
like it's like, all right, dude, the op killing shit's
got a chill, Like we get it, Like, let's get
back to these bars of this money like one of
the two, you know what I'm saying. But now I
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feel like, obviously Jaed D's I feel like jaded. He's
gonna take a big leap man.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
And when you think about Belly Gang two, Belly Gang
got bars, Belly Gang finisg he ain't just swagging and
trap money with you. He really saying some shit.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
And he's super.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
The thing about him too that I love is he's
vulnerable on his record, you know, very open with his ship.
He's not afraid to be vulnerable. He's not afraid to
talk about his mom and you know shit that he's
going through in life. So I think that's one of
the most important things as an artist you can have.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Hey, you gotta stop the interview. You want to give
a shout out.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Man.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
The only thing we smoke, ladies and gentlemen is slap Woods.
That's right.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Make sure you follow them at slap Woods. And you
know the reason why we smoked Flapwoods, it's literally because
they slap You ain't smoking slabbers. What the fuck are
you doing? Get back to you for.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
You on this project? What is like is there? Do
you feel like you got a chip on your shoulder?
Speaker 4 (35:10):
You're trying to prove something with this album because when
you think of mister E got right, When I think
of of all those awards, it's not.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
That many people who are ego. I think Jennifer Hudson's
that he.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Got, yeah, Jif Legendohn Legend. Oh, it's a few actors
that have it as well.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
That's a big thing to manifest, the big thing to
put out there.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Right Well, I think before I was kicked out of school,
I was doing theater. I was going to Soapstone that's
what it's called in Atlanta. But you know, I was
doing theater, plays, different things like that, played in the band,
I did a little bit everything, just being a creative, yeah, creator,
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and then the streets just took over.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
So it was just like fuck.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
But I think the way I wanted to do this
album is I just wanted to kind of give my
life story in different perspectives. So I broke my like
how royal flush is you know, Presser Spade, Press of
Diamonds for I did Emmys feel like a television show,
Grammy sound, Grand Oscar sounds suspenseful, movie score, and Tony
(36:15):
is like live drums, spoken word, you know what I mean.
So that's kind of like the conglomerate of music that
I put together for this album.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
And yes it is.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
I do got to point to prove because I'm showing
niggas like you can't fuck with me on this mic.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
That's what I'm really showing it.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
But also in depth, I'm showing you first person, third person.
It's suspenseful, it's giving you different perspectives. I got different
characters on it.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
It's like a.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Full fledged like collage of just art and music with
a street foundation to it. I don't think nobody has
ever heard anything like this, Like this is gonna be groundbreaking,
Like my goal is to win the Emmy Ran Me, Oscar,
Tony on one album. That's big, So let's go, let's go,
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let's get it.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
It's too because you know I would I say that
like you you you were talking earlier about like Yay
writing his ship down for that album, and I feel
like we've gotten so into this like punching culture and
hip hop where like people aren't taking their time of
making songs as much. Everything's microwavable, and it's like you
can't make time a music unless you take.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Time doing it, you know what I'm saying, right, Like.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
You got to be intentional with every line, every bar,
and it's like that's just out the window these days.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
And that's my thing.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
My thing is conceptually driven. Like I don't be like
like a lot of people be trying to compare like
artists rappers to me because they lyrical. Like I'm not lyrical.
It's disrespectful to call me lyrical. Like I'm lyrical, But
these are things that I experienced. This ain't no shit
I read in the fucking text book, right, And a
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lot of yeah, a lot of these new lyrics is
are like just smart kids who dropped out of college, right,
You know what I mean that I'm not a drop
out of college.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I dropped out in tenth grade. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
This shit is experiences that I just that was just
you know, embedded in my brain and I just regurgitate
them into music and put it on the mic and
it just comes out like that.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Do you feel like you know you said like this
is this is your life? And we talked a little
bit earlier about kind of the Atlanta scene and how
crazy it is kind of like you feel when you
were coming up and doing what you were doing in
the streets, Like I kind of feel like kind of
talk about concepts of the concept of the last album
was very much like there.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Was at least some sort of like.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Unwritten rules to follow, some sort of standards you wouldn't
cross in the streets.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Do you feel like this new generation, all that shit's
out the window.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, I mean a lot of that is out the window.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
And it's it's because everybody want to be famous, everybody
want to make money, and they just go to the
furthest extent to do it. Like I'm gonna walk it down,
So I'm not gonna rush my situation no matter what
it is, like, i just gotta walk it down slowly,
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but surely I gotta hit them all. So I think
a lot of times guys want to skip those steps
so expedite they they fame or you know that feelings.
So what they do, they they passed the integrity line.
Ain't gonna do some shit, that's just sure, and deal
with the consequences later, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
But when you're from the street like.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Them, consequences came back asap, so you gotta be very careful.
And I think that's the thing where it's like the
fine line between hip hop is like we have let
you know, the ambitious kids in that you know, after
Yay dropped out of college, like a lot of these
kids are like not from that that that grass understanding
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like the repercussions of disrespecting somebody or you got the
streamers that just came.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Oh man, the disrespect.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
This is weird. I'm on line.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
All I'm seeing is people blowing up firecrackers in people houses.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Oh I just saw that this morning.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
I'm like, why is this viral?
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Like I just saw that this morning.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
There was like a Duke Dennis was like running around
this house and fucking up everyone's shipping then blowing it up.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
It's like this is really it feels like a felony,
Like what do we do?
Speaker 1 (40:36):
But it's like it's gotta be a rental.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
But it's like jackass, Like it's some jackass for sure.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
That was like the only show when we came up
that black ass. Yeah, it's like everybody.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Everybody's on jackass in real life trying to just do crazy.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Shit for clicks for sure.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, it's wild times. Man.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Can you give us any sort of insight on any
of the features on the album?
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Oh? Man, you know, man, I got some good ones. Well,
you know, the family's on there to chain. I got
tied Yay, Russ Russ, Pink Sweats.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
Green, It's Atlanta greats.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
Hey, Russ Russ is one of them guys who when
he wants to step outside. He had them them them
munch projects where he was fucking barring out right.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
I got some guys that was on the album every Kneag,
So we need to get them back on it, you
know what I mean. Like my boy Jack Harlowe, me
and him got a we had a record, but you know,
I got to see if I can get him on
the you know label situations.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
So he was on the record and then he they
didn't clear it.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
I wouldn't say they It's just like you know most artists, man,
when they do a song or do a verse, they
wanted to come out tomorrow, And I'm not that type
of artist, Like I want this thing to come out
when it's supposed to come out and how it's supposed
to come out and have the impact it needs to have.
And you know, people just like throw music out, they
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don't have no intentions for it. And that's what man,
the circle back around, that's what makes the greats great.
It's intentional. Yes, Kendrick is intentional. He ain't throwing no
shit out hey and seeing.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
If it's stick.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
Nope, he got a because like you said, it's like
when you're making music as an artist, you have to
be to I feel like to be in those conversations.
You have to be self aware of like legacy of
like where does this fit in the culture, where like
how is this going to hit people? How is this gonna?
Is this gonna last ten years from now, twenty years
(42:42):
from sure?
Speaker 3 (42:44):
That's why I Pusher can just still put the clips,
can still come out and have that gravitaze because they
intentional with and people know they're going there for that.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
And that rollouts.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
You's been crazy?
Speaker 1 (42:55):
What what you know?
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Because Russ put out Chomp and I think you were
you were on Chomp too.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah with who Banks? What was up because Russ, a.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Lot of people don't know, came up in Atlanta. What
was the genesis of Was he just reaching out? Like
because I know for those albums he wanted to just
get everybody, and just because he's he's the kind of
guy whos always got a chip on the shoulder, so
he's like, I want to show everybody I can rap
with everybody.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Now, he's a hip hop hit. He's a he's a
he's actually.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
He's actually a pioneer of a lot of the way
these kids put out music, but they don't know they
don't have the love for it that Russ has.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
No, he's it, He's it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
He's got the passion for real, and he has.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
The respect for it like a lot of times people
like come into hip hop and really don't have the respect.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Just because you can.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
Do it don't mean I don't mean you should do
it exactly right.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
So I think that's what makes him great is because
he still has the respect for it as well.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
No, I agree, man, Now I think he's he's super underrated.
So album is still not quite finished.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
But it is coming. It is finished. I know you
say you had a couple of tweaks.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
That's that's like.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
But not like mixing, mastering. Okay, okay, that's like. So
the album is finished. You just got to get the
paperwork on some of the ship put together exactly.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
So that's the last things we're doing.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
And like I said, when you're working on some classic
it takes that a little bit. So just getting these
last bit of clearance is these artists agreements getting out
and hopefully they come back, but if they don't, the
shit will be out anyway and it'll be without them.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
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Let's get back to the interview. Give me, give me
your I am curious. I don't want to. I don't
(45:24):
want you to tell me who you think is the
greatest of all time? Your personal favorite Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Of mcs, my top what is that? Four?
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Four of them? Not again.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
I feel like there's the one list where you're like, yes,
that's like jay Z, Yeah, greatest of all time, favor your.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Personal faith is the greatest of all time.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
I'm just saying that, like I think that's the answer.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (45:47):
But maybe like someone might not necessarily say Jay is
one of their favorite mcs, but they can acknowledge he's
the greatest.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
He's the greatest he's my favorite.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
So both things can be true.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
So the whole is definitely Mount Rushmore. I would say
Eminem is definitely Mount Rushmore, like I'm a fan of
like early on Eminem two. I guess because I was
a cue when he came out.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
I got like an underground Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Give me my A team is j M T I
And I would say, yay, those are my like four
but see, my undergrounds are like mystical, mystical big l.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
I would say I was a d MX fan.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
I love DMX coming up, and I would say.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Like my last would be like and my last is
so ill.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
I would have to go, it's two of them though,
to outcasts. I would just love outcasts growing up.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
I wouldn't even say, I mean a lot of your
undergrounds not underground.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Yeah, but they was like, I mean, that's just like
my eighteen d T because you know, mystical with underground either.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
But he was he was unpredictable cool cool when I
was a kid, and I love no Limit like ghetto
Dope and all that ship master P. But mister cool
was that he just had that voice on uh.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
He used to be going make him say that verse
I'm like, oh, who's this fucking guy? Like I used
to grow, I used to love Sean Paul from Young Bloods.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
Talk about underrating Sean Paul never fired, he never did
not eat a feature.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Bahagen o'hagen was crazy like I used to like the
Atlanta artists who like Ship Passive Trub was incredible, Like
I said.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Like that was just you know all all that's in
my gumbo.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
What's your favorite TI album?
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Oh man, damn damn all his album trap Music?
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Probably mean it's like trap music or what was one
after that? Underground legend or the urban urban legend Urban.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
My favorite top ten rap song is still Ain't Forgave Myself.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
That's top ten rap song all time.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
My favorite tip song is doing My Job produced by
Kanye West.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Yeah, Miles, Miles is still Ain't for Game Myself.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
And that mixtape erranted when he was doing the Dragon
for beat Ship.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Oh my god, but you ever if you ever heard
t I on Field Moll song.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Which one?
Speaker 4 (48:38):
I know that probably because I had I had both
feel my albums. I had the O G one and
then I had the one that had the DTP joint.
I forget which'a I was.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
And speaking of Clips.
Speaker 3 (48:52):
I could rapped Clips first album front to back, amazing,
Like I could wrap that album like I rapped Reasonable
Day out front to bat.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
Yeah, we were talking about that earlier.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
I'm like, I think Hell has no Curious the better album,
but Lord Willing is my favorite. Like that album meant
way more to me. I mean, I feel like even
like I was just.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
I was just listening to uh their last album from
nine till the Caskie Drops, and I'm like, damn, this
shit was crazy too, right.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
But see they was on those two albums.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
I feel like they were just showing off their skill
set like Lord Willing.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
The crazy thing is I had to think.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
I was riding back with them joints in the truck
right to drop and my buddy.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
I'm from Virginia.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
We rolled all the way home to that one CD,
praying we don't get pulled over.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
That shit is but just meant something.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
To me with because I never heard of My buddy
was like, man, you got to hit the boy.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
The boy talking that shit.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
So when I first heard, I was like, oh, just
to be like twenty years later, Pushes like one of
my best friends is.
Speaker 4 (49:59):
Like i'd be Pushes like you know how you said
your your list, I got pusha so my my, like
I guess you would say my underground or it's like
pusha T it's Freddy probably killing Mike, and it's probably
I might ride with the Big l two. But it's like,
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then you got the four for me, It's like it's
three stacks, it's Hole, it's Knaves, and it's it's Kendrick.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Now I got Kendrick in that Kendrick. Kendrick got that
top five album to that fucking good.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Kid Mas City. It's in there, man, whoever made that
with him?
Speaker 4 (50:38):
My goodness, goodness man, yo, whatever, you know, it's funny
because I was you know, I'm real tight with the
homie lifted who did Mercy, and so I was able
to have I was privy to hearing some stuff that
was supposed to be on Cool Winter auh and I
know that that was a thing that was supposed to
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happen whatever, Like you know what what like like how
many records did y'all do for that?
Speaker 2 (51:05):
We did? We did a few.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
We did about ten to twelve. But that's when, like,
to be honest, that's when like motherfuckers started taking off
was taken off.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
That's when.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Pick guys out of the Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
All, let me tell you some on Cruise Summer, all
two trains versus. He did all three of his verses
in twenty minutes.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Max, Jesus, that's fucking crazy. He was out in the
hotel room.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
Yes, Bro in La. He never heard the song or nothing.
They played the beat one time, maybe two times Max
on Eat Mercy, all of them. He just went in
there and just like eight bars, eight bars, that bitch
was done.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
I said this nigga.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
Is incredible crazy.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
Oh yeah, for what you say, I can't even I
can't even say no bullshit that fast.
Speaker 4 (51:59):
I always say, Chain says the illest shit in the
slickest way. Yes, Bro, he'd be saying. Like his new
album with Larry June, the one the Alchemists produced, Oh
so good man, Yes bro to Chains, one of the ones.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
Man, Alchemist. I love Alchemists too. Now. I don't know, man,
I don't fuck with me. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
I got you and alcnld do a whole album.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Together, Man, what come on?
Speaker 1 (52:23):
That'd be crazy?
Speaker 4 (52:24):
No, but I do feel like the like I remember
hearing a song for Cool Winner that was similar to Mercy, but.
Speaker 1 (52:32):
It was called trash Bags.
Speaker 4 (52:34):
Yeah, and Push was talking about essentially it was like
bring the money out in trash bags because you're gonna
make it rain so much that the money had to
be put in trash bags.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Man.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
I remember that record. That was a real record. Yeah,
that was a real record.
Speaker 4 (52:48):
And I'm like, damn it, this shit came out right
after Mercy. I'm like, this is like the Mercy fucking
step Son.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Like you know what I'm saying that that fucking era.
Speaker 3 (52:59):
Everybody was picking at ya, like everybody was picking at
his team, like, oh.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Push, we need you here. The fucking big Shun.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Yeah, kigts is that dance record going crazy.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Nikki and he you know, he was collaboring with Drake
all of them. Now he out of here cut. He
always been out.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Of here cut, He's always been cutting. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:20):
Then he did that Tiana album.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
That Tiana he gave her all them damn beats man.
Them beats man hurt my soul for her to get
all over. I mean, she did a great job with him,
But I was just thinking, like, God, damn.
Speaker 4 (53:33):
Bro, did they ever have you, like ever discussed maybe
you doing one of those seven song albums.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Yeah, I was supposed to do one because.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
There was that twenty eighteen era we Get Daytona, we
Get the NAS album, we Get Kitsy Ghosts.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
We Get The Shot was my song first really yea
by the way, one of the two songs I really
love on that.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Project, Cop Shot that Kill was my song. Bro, I
had a bunch of songs.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
That was my song. We was just talking about it,
like I had to do. I did this song called
flash on on the.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
Block Freestyle that Camper gave a song the Doja Can't
That was gonna be my first single. I had the
no Live Beat with two Chains and Drake.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
That was to be my single.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Wait wait, which which dochi song was being I forget
it's the first song.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
I forget what album it was, but it was Doja
Dojah Can't. But it's just like a lot of time,
I always got into them situations.
Speaker 4 (54:35):
It seems like Naza snatched two songs from you because
we talked about the no Idea one earlier.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
Yo, how do you find out that that the cop
shot the kid? Because that song is fucking nuts.
Speaker 2 (54:44):
They asked me to give it to him. Does he
really liked it? I would have been like you can't
stay on it, but you know, I just be like,
I'm a team player, and it be like.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
You get other beats from know, you get other beasts
from him, and I got a few on this album
from them, so that to me is better than those.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
But so you do have some a production on the album, Yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
I got about four or five of them.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
That's big.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
I'm like, I'm using all of my production because like
it's so nostalgic, you don't get you don't get to
hear it.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
And I got the ones.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
Right, Yeah, we don't get to hear the Kanye production.
I think that like we like love anymore. And not
to say that he's not making that stuff, because I
really enjoyed, uh the First Vultures a lot, and some
of the Vulture stuff that didn't end up coming out
was incredible. But I love the First Voltures, but it
was different. It was very much like it was a
(55:42):
different it was different, like I'm.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
Talking about when he actually he's touching hard.
Speaker 4 (55:46):
Yeah, yeah, the NPC or the ASR ten. It's like
it's different like those days. I feel like I don't know,
I mean, ship he can tell.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
You man, take that snare out now he's telling somebody.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
Now, that's crazy. So new album coming soon, hopefully real,
hopefully for that the summer.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
Yeah, absolutely, story and mister e Gott you will be
getting at the next sixty days.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Visuals already kind of thought Outsu's already done. Oh so
you're already You're ready, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
I'm ready. I'm just waiting on these last little.
Speaker 4 (56:15):
I love it, man, well, I can't wait to hear
the album. I appreciate you pulling up, man, new I'm
on the way and it's about time.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Yes, sir, I can't believe it's been eight years.
Speaker 3 (56:23):
Yeah, man, yeah, I mean me putting out my own
personal album.
Speaker 1 (56:28):
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
Yeah, but you know I was gonna put one out
in twenty twenty one, but pandemic.
Speaker 4 (56:34):
Hit, so I was like, ah see, motherfuckers over overthought
that they pump faked themselves out. So many good, so
much good music came out in the pandemic.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
Yeah, I should have gone, I should have went on
and put it out. But you know, we're back at it.
Speaker 1 (56:48):
Damn, my guy. I appreciate you pulling up.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (56:51):
Hi, Yes, sir,
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