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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Podcast special guests in here my guy hit boy the deal.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
What's the deal with hit Boy man on outside? What's
the deal? The deal is, the deal is done, that's
over with. I'm free.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Congrats. You know you've been in this crazy publishing deal,
very very archaic deal or since you were eighteen, right,
I signed at nineteen nineteen and now you're out. You know,
I know it was talked about the whole helped you
(00:32):
get out of the deal.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, that's when I was still working with a Rock
Nation on the management side, and him and Desiree stepped
in and made a you know deal in twenty twenty
one basically for me to do four more years and
then you know, just after that it's over.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So I did my last four years.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So you got out of it unscathed. How's it feel, man? No,
I feel like a new person, bro.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Like I realized a lot man, just about myself, And
that was a depressing time. Like as much success as
I was having, I could really feel it all the way,
you know what I mean, Because it's like I just
was like that was so much on my mind, and
every lawyer I would take it to, it'll be like, man,
it's the worst deal I've ever seen. But it's like
we can't do nothing to help you, so, you know,
just to be in this position. But I feel like
my life just started over, like and I'm just I
(01:15):
just like I hate the motherfucking Mario mushroom. I'm about
to want to take this ship to a whole new level.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, it's crazy because you could, like you get so
excited you've had this run. Obviously win the Best Rap
Album of the Year at the Grammys, and you know
it's crazy run with nas and obviously you've been on
crazy like last six seven years. But like it's almost
like you're like, damn, it's still tied to this old ship,
like this old pug Deod type shit, you know for sure.
Yeah that was frustrating, man, But man, it's a new day,
(01:42):
man ship. I feel like everything I did my first
half of my career was just like just me learning,
me starting Like that was just me starting the car up, bro, Like, nah,
I'm finna get on the road on niggas for real.
I saw you just had a moment with Jay. What
was that like when you just.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Dope The day my contract ended, I sent him an
email just said thanks and all that you know. He
hit me back, said congrats, you know, and then I
end up going to the show that was beyonce last
show in Vegas, right, So I'm just in there kicking it.
Next thing, you know, he walk out. I just seen him,
went up to him a gay nigga, the longest hug ever, like, bro,
(02:18):
like thank you, you know what I mean, just I
appreciate it, and he was like, man, you deserve it.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
You're a good person.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
It's crazy because you would think, like if you were
a pub company, you would understand that you are who
you are and you would run to do right by you,
because that's how I always kind of looked at it.
But you would think, like he we were tripping back.
Then you're in a different place. Now, let's renegotiate. It's
almost like you had the old you watched the Last
Dance the bullshit. Yeah, Scottie Pippens deal that he signed.
(02:47):
It was like a nine year deal, like the bulls
should they should have did right by him. No, I
know for sure, same same type of scenario, but it's
all good.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Man. That shit was a you know, it made me.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Like really double down on my my creative just like
learning how to make so many different types of beats
and really like because for a moment, that shit was
just like now in retrospects, like I was trying to
do niggas.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I was trying to outdo niggas in Paris for years,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
But how can you outdo jay Z first Diamond record,
Kanye second Diamond record after Stronger?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
You know a song that I.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Still ain't seen, not one nigga perform a song sixteen
times in a row. If I'm wrong, show me, But
I still haven't seen that impact, bro.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
So it's like, you know, it's almost like you could.
It's like it's like back to a Bulls reference. It's
like the Bulls could never go like like the seven
to and ten season with the with the championship. It's
like you can't never outdo that. I mean you could,
but it's like if you if you drive yourself crazy
comparing yourself to like perfection, if.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
You will, then you're gonna be like what for sure?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I definitely drove myself crazy, went through every up and
down emotion, wanted to quit mad times, like you know,
but it's like I love music so much, I just
do this shit anyway, and it's like everything just always
come back around because.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Of the love of the music.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Talk to me like, because, like I said, on the
production side, you've been on the run, but also just
on the on the wrapping side, like you and domb shit.
I mean, go all the way back to the HS
eighty seven days, but you've consistently always made sure that
you are still behind the mic, still dropping records.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I'm just a music maker, man.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
If I'm writing for somebody, if I'm producing, if I'm
wrapping my own music, It's like it's all one thing
to me.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I don't separate the tour. I'm just like I love
making music period.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
So is the new project? Because you got to eat
the couch record couch the couches that couch is that
essentially when you're piping and make them bite the couch.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, exactly hidden from the back and her faces in
the couch nice and.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Then your couch gets ruined because she probably has too
much makeup on the twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
You gotta get the couch detail for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Is this attached to what is the name of the project?
What's what's the deal with?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Boy? What is that? That was just like a statement.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You know what I mean, Just like you know, I
drop what's the deal? And the day I got out
my deal, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I just like that was just a moment for me
to reclaim like my energy, you know what I mean.
Like I'm I'm just like a man, I'm just in
a better place.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Like I just like I'm excited as fuck to drop
more music and just like my videos is just getting
to that level.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Everything like about my shit is just leveling up.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So I'm excited to apply all this this knowledge and
this information I've been gained over the last eighteen years.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
What is for you now that you're on the other
side of the deal? How cautious and how like obviously
are you going back? Are you gonna do another copup deal?
You're gonna an admin deal? Like, where are you at
when it comes to the club side.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I'm doing Uh, I'm doing the highest level everything. Man.
I'm just like, I ain't trying to like you know,
but it's coming.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Like have you already been talking to people preparing for
this deal to expire?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So yeah, people been reaching out. You know this, My
boy over there, man, he knew what was going on.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, So there's there's already a lot of there's some
big ship in the works, definitely. Is there any part
of that pub catalog that you're able to like, you know,
we see a lot of people selling pub these days.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Is that you're able to do that? Is that something
you're open to doing when the time is right?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, Because I feel like they're paying like generational, Like
like someone told me that there there was a certain
point in time. They're like these capital venture capitals are paying.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Like twelve x. I like it should be going up
to like twenty x sometimes at a certain point.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
No, man, I'm glad. You know I was able to
make all them songs. Man, I'm gonna be in a
great place for sure. For sure.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Talk to me about uh a side project because I
was just talking to al a couple of weeks ago, Yeah,
and he was like, yeah, like one of the new
things is on the way is me and hits project
is done, Like that's all that's coming.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
We got ship a lot of bars, like going back
and forth on each other beats and rapping on our
own beats, just like just gashing.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
That's just soulful.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
So the whole project is essentially you guys rapping over
each other's beats, so it's all right, this song, we're
gonna do my ship.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Then it'll just be flowing. Like he'll send me a
joint like boom it is. Sometimes he'll just send me
an instrumental. Other times he'll send me some shit with
a verse on it, and uh, we just keep, you know,
going back and forth, and we pull up on each
other and just dial it all the way in.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
How would you compare your guys' production style, Like, like
the differences in terms of how you work and how
you see him working.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I mean, he work.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Off in peace, so I'm like, I'll program, I'll be
on fl So that's already a difference. But it's like
at the end of the day, we both just got
soul in our music. So it's like a good connection. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I feel like people always are surprised when they see
Alchemists rapping and he's.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Killing Tuvey been tough since he was a kid, like
he was eleven years old. He was in that he
was in that group with the.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Was it not was it Max Killerman or was it
All Boys Sont Gone?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, yeah, it was James Conson, one of the hooligans,
like that Yeah, Yeah, that shit was tough.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, it's crazy. Shots.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
He got a lot of game, a lot of knowledge, man,
he and he just like got such as like his
own wave.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
He'd be on his own ship.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Like we put out like a thousand vinyls. That ship
sold out in thirty seconds. Like, oh he's got the
vinyl shit. He got out, got a real fan base.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Man.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Have you thought about, like, uh, maybe applying that business model.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
To what you what you do? That's what I'm on
because all this ship, like all this shit is like
you know, people have.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Been riding around La like, bro, how you getting all
this this promo? Like I'm doing that ship myself, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Like there's the thing about the vinyl though, It's like
he drops tears and records, so it's like one record
might cost one hundred bucks, but this five hundred of them,
and then like the other one might cost like seventy five,
but there's a thousand, Like he's printing money. You know.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Some shit right around fucking Maybach. No exactly, Jesus he school.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
He scooped me up in the Maybach chuck one time
after I got into it with some niggas at the club.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
He had a real one for sure. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
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Speaker 2 (09:54):
Talk to me.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I want to know you had this crazy historic you
brought in my opinion, Man, we're gonna look back at
like NAS's career and like this run between King's Disease
one all the way to the end was special because
I felt like it kind of just brought Na's back
for like like old guys like me who were just
like waiting for him to drop on a consistent basis,
(10:18):
what's your favorite one of those albums?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Man? They all you know special.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
We went in on all them joints, but I mean
the first one and then Kat three Magic.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I think I think magic magic, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Magic?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
That's probably the most true NAH sound type. Yeah, other shit.
We just was experiment doing ship, pissing people off, like
you know, having rapping on trap beats and Ato eights
and ship, like just fucking around having fun.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Right Yeah, uh is there anybody else who you have
a joint project?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
And it works with Spank Nittyka with Spank Nitty from Nai.
That nigga tough. He like he on some ship, Like.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
His lingo is just out of he was like he
came up with the eat couch it and it wasn't
even a hook at first. I took that e couch
part and like brought it back a couple of times
and made that shit like a big part of the song, like,
but he just got.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Them one line? Is that just be having you laughing?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
When I first heard that joint, bro, I like literally
start crying laughing, like that shit was so hilarious.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I never heard nobody say et couch.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
So you're working on like a both y'all rapping or
is it like him on your beats?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
A little bit about me? You know we both were
both rapping.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, yeah, we're both on some just like it's more like,
you know, this ship is like for the streets. It's
about to be some ship. I got some of my
hardest beats I ever made on the tape.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
So is the is these two records that you've dropped,
are they on the same project or Nah, that's that's
on my solo project? Okay, yeah, what's the deal in
eat couch?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yep? What's the name of the solo project? Software? Update?
I like that software.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I'll just updated my whole life, you know what I mean,
like every every facet, I'm just trying to be more sharp, more,
you know, locked in.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I don't present myself. How's your dad doing? Man?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I mean, you know they just got they just gave
him another three years like that's you know, that is
what it is.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I've been doing with this ship thirty plus years.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Like he literally been in prison my whole life since
I was three, never been out for more than a year.
Even on this run, he didn't even he made it
to like ten months, got locked up and made it
for like another However many months he feel like he
had such a like the buzz was there, the music
was crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
He dropped the album with the game like what the fuck.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Know that ship with number one on the fucking iTunes
and shit like it was that shit was.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Going, bro.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
But you guys around there, he was out there on
his time with my body.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
When you listening to his music, that's really him, Like
he not not capping about that ship.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Is that something where you like do you like, are
you like you get mad at your dad when he
like sucks.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Up like that?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
You're like, bro, of course, man, especially on this run
because we really had it going. This nigga is actually
making legit money and was getting respect bro. Like niggas
at the pop out on stage with Kendrick with holding
my son like he's getting love doing songs with YG
Snoop embraced him like you know so that this was
probably the toughest.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
One, Like damn nigga, we really was making it happen.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, because I felt like when like grinding, my whole
life happened, Like that was a moment, but it was
like it was like a blip. I feel like, like you said,
it was like he got locked up right after that.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah you know what I mean. So yeah, bro, that
shit man, it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Man, when you look back at like the HS eighty
seven run, I feel like it's one of the more
I think that like Kate Roosevelt, how talented he was,
obviously audio push and Can't Money and all those guys.
That was such a dope, dope squad of artists, And
I always thought everything was super underrated that you guys
(13:36):
were doing. Do you ever like look back at that
era when you had the crib, the house a hit,
all kinds of house parties going on, Like what can
you tell me about the HS eighty seven era?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
That man, that was a shit that was like a
frat house. Man.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
That shit was just like just me and my homies
making music and throwing parties and turning up type shit.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Like I just got to learn. I just got to
really see how.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
This shit go down having an artist signed to me,
like hearing out they frustrations while I'm trying to I'm
still trying to be me. I'm still trying to get
to my level. Like they looking at it like, oh no,
you already hit boy?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
You good.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
I'm like, nah, nigga, this is nothing, bro, Like I'm
just getting started, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
That's why I'm so excited right now. Bro.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
It's like I got all the game, I got all
the information, like as far as.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Like just what I need to be doing right now.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
But you have such a great year for talent because
all those artists I just mentioned like were incredible and
maybe for whatever reason, it just didn't work out to
the level that you know their potential might have been.
But now that you kind of have everything figured out,
would you be interested in sign an artist again?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I mean I wouldn't. I just like I just want
to fuck with people. That's dope, man.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
And it's like I'm looking for like people's character more
so these days too, you know what I mean. It's
not just about how dope somebody is. It don't matter
if it's a director of a movie, producer, of like
what if your energy ain't all the way top tier,
like I can't rock with it, you know what I mean?
So that would that would just have to be like
you know, some ship that just organically come together.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
But I'm not looking at.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Like I'm not like you're not out here like trying
to A and.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
R people did that did that ship a lot of years?
You know?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
And yeah, And it's like a lot of things people
don't understand is like your first of all, someone else's
livelihood is like kind of in your hands. Yeah, second
of us pressure, you're kind of like babysitting grown ups
at that point.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah, it'd be like you be on some whole other ship.
They come to you complaining about ship. It's like, damn,
I didn't even notice what's going on, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Hey, you gotta stop the interview. I want to give
a shout out.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Man.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
The only thing we smoke, ladies and gentlemen is slap woods.
That's right. Make sure you follow them at slap woods.
And you know the reason why we smoked flat woods.
It's literally because they slap You ain't smoke a slap woods.
What the fuck are you doing? Get back to you Uh,
what's been your favorite hip hop album this year?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
That's a good question. Ship. What I've been listening to
should I was just banging Rio Rio to Young O
gu Ship, that Ship Tight? What came out this year?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Ship Clips? I love the intro on that clips out Man,
That's tough. That shit was like they broke that down.
Malice is a beast.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Too, Like think about that intro is It's like it's
like if you ever watched like The Green Mile or
like like a sad movie that's like critically acclaimed, and
you're like, fuck, I gotta be in a I gotta
be in a mood to listen to this because I'll
be satisfied by the end of it.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Some ship they went in the detail is crazy? Yeah,
for sure. So you got Rio.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I mean, I ain't gonna say I don't really got
no favorite, bro. I'll just be listening to Ship.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I listened to it like I'll be listening to like
a big sad nineteen hundred, Listen to Rio, listen to
Peasy from Detroit Flint? Ship. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Have you have you connected with those guys out out there?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yeah, I got some ship dropping on PZ this week.
He's crazy We did it from the block over at
Dover Street Market, So we.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Dropped that Friday.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
That's fire Rio, So like, I feel like people don't
understand how influential he is. Yeah, are influenced by Rio, like.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
All the funny like bars and Ship like, oh no,
that niggas hilarious.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
When I first was hearing this music, I.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Used to just be laughing to that Ship like this
nigga like a comedian, Yeah, rapping, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Mother fucking would you and Benny get back in at all?
Because you know, I feel like that you guys have
I mean, I feel like a lot of people say
that's his best album, crazy Burden to Proof, great.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Album, some ship on there.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
You have so much unreleased music, I'm sure with artists
because you still got the Spider Challice. No I got
I updated the software, man, because that was a legendary.
It's a whole new level now, man, Yeah it was.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
We got pulled up.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Lots of lots of Ship was made in that room though.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
No, for sure, I want two Grammys out that room
and got multiple platinum plaques, like you know, I did
my ship.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I was there seven years.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, how much like Ship is just never gonna come
out that because you I feel like it has like everyone.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
It got like albums full of music with Roddy Rich,
with Don Tolliver, I got so many songs with people
Bro just posting Shawn's always there or he was Dom's
always I know Dom, Me and Dom got albums with
the ship more halfy real ship got some ship, Bro,
would you guys do another one of those? I'm with
It's so and so on Don. I'll be ready to
go at all times.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
What what kind of bag do you have to be in,
like mentally when you're working on your own music as
opposed to like you're in, like working on someone else's album.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I mean, ain't no, bro, this ship ain't no difference.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I'll just be in a flow, like a state of
flow where it's like the beats in the lyrics and
the show. Way I'm putting my ship together is just
it's just coming together in the right way. Like I
just try to try to just run both of them
at the same time. I'm always writing, I'm always coming
up with.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Ideas and just making beats, just like you know when
you do the couch eater skit or whose brain child
was that was? That you were the other guy.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
That was my idea. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I was actually shooting another video for the title track
off Software Update, and I was just like we had already.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
He was about to shoot the couch video, I think,
but I just was like, man, like, you know, the
Cheater Show is hilarious to me.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I'll be watching the Super Funs rolling and it's like
couch eaters, cheaters, couch eaters. I'm like, that shit just
makes sense. I'm like, we should get, you know, some
people to get in that ship. Then the home we
started brainstorming, like, yo, we should get Charleston White, that
nigga funny, and we just put it together.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Charleston White crack you. I heard he just be charging
motherfuckers just to show up to places.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Nothing crazy, nothing crazy and crazy, but he charged gas,
got the real business. That nigga cool. He was cool.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I don't know what to think of him because he's
on some wildly insane racist ship. Yeah, yeah, he's he's
I don't know, it's a character, that's his character.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
That's a persona. I feel like, but May is wild
and like he's.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Funny as healing person too, Like I bet he's entertained.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, yes, you remd me of like my uncles and
ship from Indiana, like they hell the country and ship
like that.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Nigga.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So yeah, yeah, Yo, did you have to get a
permit to put the couch in front of the donut spot?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Was that? Did? You'll just pull up?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
And I thought that.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Should like you went viral. It was like on a
bunch of little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Somebody said, like La is like nowhere else. It's just
like La is not a real place. La is not
a real place. Just girls stripping over a couch.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, eating couch. What's your Uh?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
What's your favorite couch store? Is it Bob's Discount furniture?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Is? Where are we going? Uh? What was it? Restaurant?
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Restoration? What's that ship called restoration? Sounds expensive? You've never
been a living spaces. I've been a living spaces. You
know they got good couches of Costco too.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
You know it's done about Costco. You get a couch
of Costco, you could return it forever for real. Yes, girl, fox,
your makeup up biting on the couch, it's stained. You
throw that bitch in the truck. Return it. You could
take anything back to Costco. You got a Costco membership.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Man, I used to I gotta refresh my ship.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Bro, if you buy anything, like you could buy a TV.
If if you could, your girl can find like catch
you cheating and break your TV and you just take
it back and they just give.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
You a new one. That's the best.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I mean, honestly makes sense wholesale. It's a good loophole,
the Costco because you could just funck shut up.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And just be like, yo, don't work no more than one?
Yeah for you? Man?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Are you still because I know you have like your
like you you have a team of guys you work
with that will help you with loops and stuff like
Jan Sporting all those guys. How many people like do
you get loops.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And stuff from these days? These days as of late
with the new software, nobody. I ain't gonna even lie.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I've been making all my own beats, bro, and that
motherfuckers like my eight o eights just smacking like harder
than like ever you know had them slapping before.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Like I've just been.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Like making more like headspace for the beach. So like
when artists hear them, they just like you could talk
over this motherfuckering. It sounds good, That makes sense, like
a nice a nice uh canvas.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, that makes sense. You know.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I was talking to Conductor him in the Rome Street's
got a dope album right now. But Conductors obviously he
does a lot of sample based stuff, you would think,
but he was saying like, nowadays he might be find
a sample and then he'll send it to his homie.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
He's like, because with how hard.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
It's the clear samples these days, He's like, you got
to use the humans if you find a sample, like
you are you even looking for samples? And if you
find one, do you figure out a loophole to Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, it's funny because Todd Dollads song used to be
in a production company called a Jack Sample and they
would just basically like flip a sample, reverse some shit
and then really mask it to where you can't even tell.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
What song it is.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
And I'll learned that trick from him, Like you gotta
finesse it, yeah, because they got some shit before.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Where niggas ain't catch.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
It well, because it's like that can hold up a
record being released that could Like I feel like, especially
if you're an independent artist and you're just trying to
do some shit for the culture. It's like well fuck
whatever they're sking forward. Yeah, some of these states be
cracked and they be trying to like take the whole
the holes. Has anybody like you're at the point where
(23:10):
you were so successful that I feel like people probably
sample some of your ship?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Does that happen?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Ever?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I just seen like a kid. I think it was
somewhere overseas, maybe in Paris. You did like a remix
to Niggas in Paris, and like a godspel.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
He chopped the beat. No, he just wrapped over the beat.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Okay, Just like I just wonder if like anybody ever
like chops chops up like an old school hip.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Boy beat or something.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, I like, you know, eventually that's gonna happen where
you're gonna have to clear samples. I hope you're. You
gotta be easy on these producers, right, you know, split
in half? So you got your software update coming you
and ours projects on the way.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
What else you got spank nitty And I'm still producing,
you know what I mean? You know, whoever want to
lock in, I'll be with it. But right now I'm
just focused on focused on myself, man, focused on my
own growth, and.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Just like displaying like my art on a way higher level.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
You know what I mean, Just like when you watch
my new videos, it's like, damn it, just just going
to that level.
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to them. Let's get back to the interview. I think about, like,
I'm sure work after you go through that run with NAS,
so many rappers probably have to hit you to be like.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yo, I need some of that. Like we should do
we should do a whole album together.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah, I mean shit, yeah, I mean that has That's
what happened with Music Sold Child. I ended up doing
an album for him because he was like, you know,
impressed with the Nash It. It was just like, I
see what you're doing, let's tap in.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Was there anybody you could talk to that For just
whatever reason, scheduling conflicts, whatever, it just didn't work out,
but like there was a mutual interest.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Plenty of artists.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Man, shit, I mean I can't pinpoint nobody specific, but yeah,
that shit happens all the time. Whereas I'm like, even
making a song with certain people and I'm like they'll
be hype about it. Then the next thing, you know,
it's not even on the album, and shit like that's
like that's disappointed as hell, but that's just how the
game go.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, No, it's crazy you had anything on the This
is Briddy Rich album is the Navy that I don't know?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
No, I wanted to play him some beats but any
picked song while he was there. But I guess you know,
you can get nothing on him.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Who knows, because we've been waiting like a year.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Y'all went over there and like March twenty twenty four,
I went over to the studio and played on some shit.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, yeah, do.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You have any unreleased shit on hard drives with nods
that just didn't make any of the projects because it
feels like y'all just.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Did it and it came out. That's basically what it was.
We probably got a few songs and it took, but
we let the clip out, like we let that shit
just go. What about you and Sean? We got some joints.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
A matter of fact, he just called me last night
and was like, bro, I'm aut the lock back in
with you. He been on tour, so no, he's on tour. Yeah,
so when you get back, we're gonna get back to it.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
You kind of like, uh, you know Russ always kind
of he's made it famous to be like, yo, I
make the beat, I write the song. Yeah, I mix
and master the record marketed.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I do the folk.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I respect I respect it, like like, but you were
you do that in your own way too, Like you
were very much like if you put out a hip
boy song, like it's all.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
You for the most part.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Are you like super super involved like you were talking
about how like the visuals have gotten better. Are you
like pretty involved in like those that process straight?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
On every detail, bro, Like I'm I'm on the text
with the producers. I'm really like dialing in, like you know,
just on the level that you know, I wasn't able
to see before.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Right right, Like Yo, I got this idea, I like
this shot.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, Like it's like basically I'll be like and when
the editor actually come to my spot and like we
just like wanted together down right there, like you know,
everybody happy.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Do you feel like, you know, I feel like there's
like a is there is there still kind of like
this sonic divide you think between the I E And
L A.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I mean nah, just as far as music.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
You're just like sonically, I feel like I feel like
there was always kind of like a little bit a
little bit of difference between like LA rappers and I
rappers in terms.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Of like I mean, I guess you know you got
like you got spanked, you got R three, you got
you know, some niggas from out there that kind of
you know, they got an l a vibe.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
It's just it's just calie. You know.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Have you heard of a pot Joko? He has the
song I E I E. Oh you gotta hit hold on, bro,
So this is I want to play for you because
it's the this is like the hardest. This is the
I anthem right here, dog going crazy. Yeah, it's this
Asian kid. He's Asian.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Right, where are you from? What city he's from?
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Things like he's from uh, I don't know, he's from
the dog.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Listen, this ship is tight to the video.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Yeah, how.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Here rock That ship is tight. I gotta tap in
with hot Joko. Man, you gotta tap in. What is
it hock p a k j okay a Yeah, putting
on for the I E. Dog Man shout out to
the I E.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
He's got.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
He's got a song called Chingo. What's the chingen to
Madre fucking Migro because his girls Mexican. He said they're
tying to deport my bitch.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Oh ship.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, because originally I was like, yo, your Mexicans, like,
nah my girl is you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Shot the ship out the protest the video ship Oh damn.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, all right, So when's the I'm coming out software
day next month, September, So it's coming in September.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Any features, Yeah, I got Alchemists on there.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I got dom on there, I got a Spank on there.
I got who else I want?
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Ship h.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Left Lefty gun play pas Lefty hunh Yeah. So you're
in the studio with Lefty. I've seen him dog Man,
he's so so he got of it, just does the
lefty thing and then do you Max, do you like
in post put it like grab the best parts? I
mean because he be in there shooting from the hip
(30:03):
for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
When he's in the sometimes ill like you know, move
stuff around and nudgs ship just put it in more
in the pocket. But you know what he's doing though, right,
fun guy, that's my dog. He was having me in tears, bro, Yeah, nigga.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Too funny and like, has he ever looked at you
and said, I'm the biggest dog.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I'm the biggest you have me rolling recently, I'm the
biggest Mexican ever, said.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
He When he was doing the video for the song
on the album, he like, come outside, he saw my lambo.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
He was like this show Ship He's like this show
range too. He's like, what happened to the Mayback? I'm like,
I gave that ship to my mom.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
He was like, God damn, how the fuck you got
so much money that rolling?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
All Right, so album's coming out in September, big features
on it.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
You got more than one video coming.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Like, I know you've dropped up lined up.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
The motherfucking clip is full. Bro, were dialing in, We
got ship right now?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Are you independent?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Independent? Fully?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Bro?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I'm going I'm doing this ship.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
She was like, even distro wiser you got, like I
fucking with the Orchard on a distribution. But like as
far as the whole market and everything I'm doing with videos,
I'm just like all my creatives, me and me and
my homie ship, Sam Nema, my boy double, And you're
making a.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Ship working on a new pub deal that I'm assuming
whenever the press release drops, it's gonna it's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
One of them things, a good headline.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
It's gonna be a good headline for all right, software
update on the way man, and then you and al
ship's coming for hip ho production for sure, Yes, sir,
here is my dog, Sir,
Podcast special guests in here my guy hit boy the deal.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
What's the deal with hit Boy man on outside? What's
the deal? The deal is, the deal is done, that's
over with. I'm free.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Congrats. You know you've been in this crazy publishing deal,
very very archaic deal or since you were eighteen, right,
I signed at nineteen nineteen and now you're out. You know,
I know it was talked about the whole helped you
(00:32):
get out of the deal.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, that's when I was still working with a Rock
Nation on the management side, and him and Desiree stepped
in and made a you know deal in twenty twenty
one basically for me to do four more years and
then you know, just after that it's over.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So I did my last four years.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So you got out of it unscathed. How's it feel, man? No,
I feel like a new person, bro.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Like I realized a lot man, just about myself, And
that was a depressing time. Like as much success as
I was having, I could really feel it all the way,
you know what I mean, Because it's like I just
was like that was so much on my mind, and
every lawyer I would take it to, it'll be like, man,
it's the worst deal I've ever seen. But it's like
we can't do nothing to help you, so, you know,
just to be in this position. But I feel like
my life just started over, like and I'm just I
(01:15):
just like I hate the motherfucking Mario mushroom. I'm about
to want to take this ship to a whole new level.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, it's crazy because you could, like you get so
excited you've had this run. Obviously win the Best Rap
Album of the Year at the Grammys, and you know
it's crazy run with nas and obviously you've been on
crazy like last six seven years. But like it's almost
like you're like, damn, it's still tied to this old ship,
like this old pug Deod type shit, you know for sure.
Yeah that was frustrating, man, But man, it's a new day,
(01:42):
man ship. I feel like everything I did my first
half of my career was just like just me learning,
me starting Like that was just me starting the car up, bro, Like, nah,
I'm finna get on the road on niggas for real.
I saw you just had a moment with Jay. What
was that like when you just.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Dope The day my contract ended, I sent him an
email just said thanks and all that you know. He
hit me back, said congrats, you know, and then I
end up going to the show that was beyonce last
show in Vegas, right, So I'm just in there kicking it.
Next thing, you know, he walk out. I just seen him,
went up to him a gay nigga, the longest hug ever, like, bro,
(02:18):
like thank you, you know what I mean, just I
appreciate it, and he was like, man, you deserve it.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
You're a good person.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
It's crazy because you would think, like if you were
a pub company, you would understand that you are who
you are and you would run to do right by you,
because that's how I always kind of looked at it.
But you would think, like he we were tripping back.
Then you're in a different place. Now, let's renegotiate. It's
almost like you had the old you watched the Last
Dance the bullshit. Yeah, Scottie Pippens deal that he signed.
(02:47):
It was like a nine year deal, like the bulls
should they should have did right by him. No, I
know for sure, same same type of scenario, but it's
all good.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Man. That shit was a you know, it made me.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Like really double down on my my creative just like
learning how to make so many different types of beats
and really like because for a moment, that shit was
just like now in retrospects, like I was trying to
do niggas.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I was trying to outdo niggas in Paris for years,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (03:13):
But how can you outdo jay Z first Diamond record,
Kanye second Diamond record after Stronger?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
You know a song that I.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Still ain't seen, not one nigga perform a song sixteen
times in a row. If I'm wrong, show me, But
I still haven't seen that impact, bro.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
So it's like, you know, it's almost like you could.
It's like it's like back to a Bulls reference. It's
like the Bulls could never go like like the seven
to and ten season with the with the championship. It's
like you can't never outdo that. I mean you could,
but it's like if you if you drive yourself crazy
comparing yourself to like perfection, if.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
You will, then you're gonna be like what for sure?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I definitely drove myself crazy, went through every up and
down emotion, wanted to quit mad times, like you know,
but it's like I love music so much, I just
do this shit anyway, and it's like everything just always
come back around because.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Of the love of the music.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Talk to me like, because, like I said, on the
production side, you've been on the run, but also just
on the on the wrapping side, like you and domb shit.
I mean, go all the way back to the HS
eighty seven days, but you've consistently always made sure that
you are still behind the mic, still dropping records.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I'm just a music maker, man.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
If I'm writing for somebody, if I'm producing, if I'm
wrapping my own music, It's like it's all one thing
to me.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I don't separate the tour. I'm just like I love
making music period.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
So is the new project? Because you got to eat
the couch record couch the couches that couch is that
essentially when you're piping and make them bite the couch.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Yeah, exactly hidden from the back and her faces in
the couch nice and.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Then your couch gets ruined because she probably has too
much makeup on the twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
You gotta get the couch detail for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Is this attached to what is the name of the project?
What's what's the deal with?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Boy? What is that? That was just like a statement.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
You know what I mean, Just like you know, I
drop what's the deal? And the day I got out
my deal, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I just like that was just a moment for me
to reclaim like my energy, you know what I mean.
Like I'm I'm just like a man, I'm just in
a better place.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Like I just like I'm excited as fuck to drop
more music and just like my videos is just getting
to that level.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Everything like about my shit is just leveling up.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So I'm excited to apply all this this knowledge and
this information I've been gained over the last eighteen years.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
What is for you now that you're on the other
side of the deal? How cautious and how like obviously
are you going back? Are you gonna do another copup deal?
You're gonna an admin deal? Like, where are you at
when it comes to the club side.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I'm doing Uh, I'm doing the highest level everything. Man.
I'm just like, I ain't trying to like you know,
but it's coming.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Like have you already been talking to people preparing for
this deal to expire?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So yeah, people been reaching out. You know this, My
boy over there, man, he knew what was going on.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, So there's there's already a lot of there's some
big ship in the works, definitely. Is there any part
of that pub catalog that you're able to like, you know,
we see a lot of people selling pub these days.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Is that you're able to do that? Is that something
you're open to doing when the time is right?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, Because I feel like they're paying like generational, Like
like someone told me that there there was a certain
point in time. They're like these capital venture capitals are paying.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Like twelve x. I like it should be going up
to like twenty x sometimes at a certain point.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
No, man, I'm glad. You know I was able to
make all them songs. Man, I'm gonna be in a
great place for sure. For sure.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Talk to me about uh a side project because I
was just talking to al a couple of weeks ago, Yeah,
and he was like, yeah, like one of the new
things is on the way is me and hits project
is done, Like that's all that's coming.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
We got ship a lot of bars, like going back
and forth on each other beats and rapping on our
own beats, just like just gashing.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
That's just soulful.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
So the whole project is essentially you guys rapping over
each other's beats, so it's all right, this song, we're
gonna do my ship.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Then it'll just be flowing. Like he'll send me a
joint like boom it is. Sometimes he'll just send me
an instrumental. Other times he'll send me some shit with
a verse on it, and uh, we just keep, you know,
going back and forth, and we pull up on each
other and just dial it all the way in.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
How would you compare your guys' production style, Like, like
the differences in terms of how you work and how
you see him working.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I mean, he work.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Off in peace, so I'm like, I'll program, I'll be
on fl So that's already a difference. But it's like
at the end of the day, we both just got
soul in our music. So it's like a good connection. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I feel like people always are surprised when they see
Alchemists rapping and he's.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Killing Tuvey been tough since he was a kid, like
he was eleven years old. He was in that he
was in that group with the.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Was it not was it Max Killerman or was it
All Boys Sont Gone?
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, yeah, it was James Conson, one of the hooligans,
like that Yeah, Yeah, that shit was tough.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, it's crazy. Shots.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
He got a lot of game, a lot of knowledge, man,
he and he just like got such as like his
own wave.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
He'd be on his own ship.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Like we put out like a thousand vinyls. That ship
sold out in thirty seconds. Like, oh he's got the
vinyl shit. He got out, got a real fan base.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Man.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Have you thought about, like, uh, maybe applying that business model.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
To what you what you do? That's what I'm on
because all this ship, like all this shit is like
you know, people have.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Been riding around La like, bro, how you getting all
this this promo? Like I'm doing that ship myself, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Like there's the thing about the vinyl though, It's like
he drops tears and records, so it's like one record
might cost one hundred bucks, but this five hundred of them,
and then like the other one might cost like seventy five,
but there's a thousand, Like he's printing money. You know.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
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He scooped me up in the Maybach chuck one time
after I got into it with some niggas at the club.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
He had a real one for sure. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
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Speaker 2 (09:54):
Talk to me.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I want to know you had this crazy historic you
brought in my opinion, Man, we're gonna look back at
like NAS's career and like this run between King's Disease
one all the way to the end was special because
I felt like it kind of just brought Na's back
for like like old guys like me who were just
like waiting for him to drop on a consistent basis,
(10:18):
what's your favorite one of those albums?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Man? They all you know special.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
We went in on all them joints, but I mean
the first one and then Kat three Magic.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I think I think magic magic, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Magic?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
That's probably the most true NAH sound type. Yeah, other shit.
We just was experiment doing ship, pissing people off, like
you know, having rapping on trap beats and Ato eights
and ship, like just fucking around having fun.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Right Yeah, uh is there anybody else who you have
a joint project?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
And it works with Spank Nittyka with Spank Nitty from Nai.
That nigga tough. He like he on some ship, Like.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
His lingo is just out of he was like he
came up with the eat couch it and it wasn't
even a hook at first. I took that e couch
part and like brought it back a couple of times
and made that shit like a big part of the song, like,
but he just got.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Them one line? Is that just be having you laughing?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
When I first heard that joint, bro, I like literally
start crying laughing, like that shit was so hilarious.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I never heard nobody say et couch.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
So you're working on like a both y'all rapping or
is it like him on your beats?
Speaker 2 (11:22):
A little bit about me? You know we both were
both rapping.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, yeah, we're both on some just like it's more like,
you know, this ship is like for the streets. It's
about to be some ship. I got some of my
hardest beats I ever made on the tape.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
So is the is these two records that you've dropped,
are they on the same project or Nah, that's that's
on my solo project? Okay, yeah, what's the deal in
eat couch?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yep? What's the name of the solo project? Software? Update?
I like that software.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I'll just updated my whole life, you know what I mean,
like every every facet, I'm just trying to be more sharp, more,
you know, locked in.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
I don't present myself. How's your dad doing? Man?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I mean, you know they just got they just gave
him another three years like that's you know, that is
what it is.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I've been doing with this ship thirty plus years.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Like he literally been in prison my whole life since
I was three, never been out for more than a year.
Even on this run, he didn't even he made it
to like ten months, got locked up and made it
for like another However many months he feel like he
had such a like the buzz was there, the music
was crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
He dropped the album with the game like what the fuck.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Know that ship with number one on the fucking iTunes
and shit like it was that shit was.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Going, bro.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
But you guys around there, he was out there on
his time with my body.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
When you listening to his music, that's really him, Like
he not not capping about that ship.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Is that something where you like do you like, are
you like you get mad at your dad when he
like sucks.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Up like that?
Speaker 3 (12:43):
You're like, bro, of course, man, especially on this run
because we really had it going. This nigga is actually
making legit money and was getting respect bro. Like niggas
at the pop out on stage with Kendrick with holding
my son like he's getting love doing songs with YG
Snoop embraced him like you know so that this was
probably the toughest.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
One, Like damn nigga, we really was making it happen.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yeah, because I felt like when like grinding, my whole
life happened, Like that was a moment, but it was
like it was like a blip. I feel like, like you said,
it was like he got locked up right after that.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah you know what I mean. So yeah, bro, that
shit man, it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Man, when you look back at like the HS eighty
seven run, I feel like it's one of the more
I think that like Kate Roosevelt, how talented he was,
obviously audio push and Can't Money and all those guys.
That was such a dope, dope squad of artists, And
I always thought everything was super underrated that you guys
(13:36):
were doing. Do you ever like look back at that
era when you had the crib, the house a hit,
all kinds of house parties going on, Like what can
you tell me about the HS eighty seven era?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
That man, that was a shit that was like a
frat house. Man.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
That shit was just like just me and my homies
making music and throwing parties and turning up type shit.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Like I just got to learn. I just got to
really see how.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
This shit go down having an artist signed to me,
like hearing out they frustrations while I'm trying to I'm
still trying to be me. I'm still trying to get
to my level. Like they looking at it like, oh no,
you already hit boy?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
You good.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
I'm like, nah, nigga, this is nothing, bro, Like I'm
just getting started, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
That's why I'm so excited right now. Bro.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
It's like I got all the game, I got all
the information, like as far as.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Like just what I need to be doing right now.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
But you have such a great year for talent because
all those artists I just mentioned like were incredible and
maybe for whatever reason, it just didn't work out to
the level that you know their potential might have been.
But now that you kind of have everything figured out,
would you be interested in sign an artist again?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I mean I wouldn't. I just like I just want
to fuck with people. That's dope, man.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
And it's like I'm looking for like people's character more
so these days too, you know what I mean. It's
not just about how dope somebody is. It don't matter
if it's a director of a movie, producer, of like
what if your energy ain't all the way top tier,
like I can't rock with it, you know what I mean?
So that would that would just have to be like
you know, some ship that just organically come together.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
But I'm not looking at.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Like I'm not like you're not out here like trying
to A and.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
R people did that did that ship a lot of years?
You know?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
And yeah, And it's like a lot of things people
don't understand is like your first of all, someone else's
livelihood is like kind of in your hands. Yeah, second
of us pressure, you're kind of like babysitting grown ups
at that point.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah, it'd be like you be on some whole other ship.
They come to you complaining about ship. It's like, damn,
I didn't even notice what's going on, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Hey, you gotta stop the interview. I want to give
a shout out.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Man.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
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That's right. Make sure you follow them at slap woods.
And you know the reason why we smoked flat woods.
It's literally because they slap You ain't smoke a slap woods.
What the fuck are you doing? Get back to you Uh,
what's been your favorite hip hop album this year?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
That's a good question. Ship. What I've been listening to
should I was just banging Rio Rio to Young O
gu Ship, that Ship Tight? What came out this year?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Ship Clips? I love the intro on that clips out Man,
That's tough. That shit was like they broke that down.
Malice is a beast.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Too, Like think about that intro is It's like it's
like if you ever watched like The Green Mile or
like like a sad movie that's like critically acclaimed, and
you're like, fuck, I gotta be in a I gotta
be in a mood to listen to this because I'll
be satisfied by the end of it.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Some ship they went in the detail is crazy? Yeah,
for sure. So you got Rio.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I mean, I ain't gonna say I don't really got
no favorite, bro. I'll just be listening to Ship.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I listened to it like I'll be listening to like
a big sad nineteen hundred, Listen to Rio, listen to
Peasy from Detroit Flint? Ship. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Have you have you connected with those guys out out there?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Yeah, I got some ship dropping on PZ this week.
He's crazy We did it from the block over at
Dover Street Market, So we.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Dropped that Friday.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
That's fire Rio, So like, I feel like people don't
understand how influential he is. Yeah, are influenced by Rio, like.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
All the funny like bars and Ship like, oh no,
that niggas hilarious.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
When I first was hearing this music, I.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Used to just be laughing to that Ship like this
nigga like a comedian, Yeah, rapping, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Mother fucking would you and Benny get back in at all?
Because you know, I feel like that you guys have
I mean, I feel like a lot of people say
that's his best album, crazy Burden to Proof, great.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Album, some ship on there.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
You have so much unreleased music, I'm sure with artists
because you still got the Spider Challice. No I got
I updated the software, man, because that was a legendary.
It's a whole new level now, man, Yeah it was.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
We got pulled up.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Lots of lots of Ship was made in that room though.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
No, for sure, I want two Grammys out that room
and got multiple platinum plaques, like you know, I did
my ship.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I was there seven years.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, how much like Ship is just never gonna come
out that because you I feel like it has like everyone.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
It got like albums full of music with Roddy Rich,
with Don Tolliver, I got so many songs with people
Bro just posting Shawn's always there or he was Dom's
always I know Dom, Me and Dom got albums with
the ship more halfy real ship got some ship, Bro,
would you guys do another one of those? I'm with
It's so and so on Don. I'll be ready to
go at all times.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
What what kind of bag do you have to be in,
like mentally when you're working on your own music as
opposed to like you're in, like working on someone else's album.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I mean, ain't no, bro, this ship ain't no difference.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
I'll just be in a flow, like a state of
flow where it's like the beats in the lyrics and
the show. Way I'm putting my ship together is just
it's just coming together in the right way. Like I
just try to try to just run both of them
at the same time. I'm always writing, I'm always coming
up with.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Ideas and just making beats, just like you know when
you do the couch eater skit or whose brain child
was that was? That you were the other guy.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
That was my idea. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I was actually shooting another video for the title track
off Software Update, and I was just like we had already.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
He was about to shoot the couch video, I think,
but I just was like, man, like, you know, the
Cheater Show is hilarious to me.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
I'll be watching the Super Funs rolling and it's like
couch eaters, cheaters, couch eaters. I'm like, that shit just
makes sense. I'm like, we should get, you know, some
people to get in that ship. Then the home we
started brainstorming, like, yo, we should get Charleston White, that
nigga funny, and we just put it together.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Charleston White crack you. I heard he just be charging
motherfuckers just to show up to places.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Nothing crazy, nothing crazy and crazy, but he charged gas,
got the real business. That nigga cool. He was cool.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
I don't know what to think of him because he's
on some wildly insane racist ship. Yeah, yeah, he's he's
I don't know, it's a character, that's his character.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
That's a persona. I feel like, but May is wild
and like he's.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Funny as healing person too, Like I bet he's entertained.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, yes, you remd me of like my uncles and
ship from Indiana, like they hell the country and ship
like that.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Nigga.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So yeah, yeah, Yo, did you have to get a
permit to put the couch in front of the donut spot?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Was that? Did? You'll just pull up?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
And I thought that.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Should like you went viral. It was like on a
bunch of little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Somebody said, like La is like nowhere else. It's just
like La is not a real place. La is not
a real place. Just girls stripping over a couch.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, eating couch. What's your Uh?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
What's your favorite couch store? Is it Bob's Discount furniture?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Is? Where are we going? Uh? What was it? Restaurant?
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Restoration? What's that ship called restoration? Sounds expensive? You've never
been a living spaces. I've been a living spaces. You
know they got good couches of Costco too.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
You know it's done about Costco. You get a couch
of Costco, you could return it forever for real. Yes, girl, fox,
your makeup up biting on the couch, it's stained. You
throw that bitch in the truck. Return it. You could
take anything back to Costco. You got a Costco membership.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Man, I used to I gotta refresh my ship.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Bro, if you buy anything, like you could buy a TV.
If if you could, your girl can find like catch
you cheating and break your TV and you just take
it back and they just give.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
You a new one. That's the best.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I mean, honestly makes sense wholesale. It's a good loophole,
the Costco because you could just funck shut up.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
And just be like, yo, don't work no more than one?
Yeah for you? Man?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Are you still because I know you have like your
like you you have a team of guys you work
with that will help you with loops and stuff like
Jan Sporting all those guys. How many people like do
you get loops.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And stuff from these days? These days as of late
with the new software, nobody. I ain't gonna even lie.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I've been making all my own beats, bro, and that
motherfuckers like my eight o eights just smacking like harder
than like ever you know had them slapping before.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Like I've just been.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Like making more like headspace for the beach. So like
when artists hear them, they just like you could talk
over this motherfuckering. It sounds good, That makes sense, like
a nice a nice uh canvas.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, that makes sense. You know.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I was talking to Conductor him in the Rome Street's
got a dope album right now. But Conductors obviously he
does a lot of sample based stuff, you would think,
but he was saying like, nowadays he might be find
a sample and then he'll send it to his homie.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
He's like, because with how hard.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
It's the clear samples these days, He's like, you got
to use the humans if you find a sample, like
you are you even looking for samples? And if you
find one, do you figure out a loophole to Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, it's funny because Todd Dollads song used to be
in a production company called a Jack Sample and they
would just basically like flip a sample, reverse some shit
and then really mask it to where you can't even tell.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
What song it is.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
And I'll learned that trick from him, Like you gotta
finesse it, yeah, because they got some shit before.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Where niggas ain't catch.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
It well, because it's like that can hold up a
record being released that could Like I feel like, especially
if you're an independent artist and you're just trying to
do some shit for the culture. It's like well fuck
whatever they're sking forward. Yeah, some of these states be
cracked and they be trying to like take the whole
the holes. Has anybody like you're at the point where
(23:10):
you were so successful that I feel like people probably
sample some of your ship?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Does that happen?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Ever?
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I just seen like a kid. I think it was
somewhere overseas, maybe in Paris. You did like a remix
to Niggas in Paris, and like a godspel.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
He chopped the beat. No, he just wrapped over the beat.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Okay, Just like I just wonder if like anybody ever
like chops chops up like an old school hip.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Boy beat or something.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, I like, you know, eventually that's gonna happen where
you're gonna have to clear samples. I hope you're. You
gotta be easy on these producers, right, you know, split
in half? So you got your software update coming you
and ours projects on the way.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
What else you got spank nitty And I'm still producing,
you know what I mean? You know, whoever want to
lock in, I'll be with it. But right now I'm
just focused on focused on myself, man, focused on my
own growth, and.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Just like displaying like my art on a way higher level.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
You know what I mean, Just like when you watch
my new videos, it's like, damn it, just just going
to that level.
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to them. Let's get back to the interview. I think about, like,
I'm sure work after you go through that run with NAS,
so many rappers probably have to hit you to be like.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yo, I need some of that. Like we should do
we should do a whole album together.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yeah, I mean shit, yeah, I mean that has That's
what happened with Music Sold Child. I ended up doing
an album for him because he was like, you know,
impressed with the Nash It. It was just like, I
see what you're doing, let's tap in.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Was there anybody you could talk to that For just
whatever reason, scheduling conflicts, whatever, it just didn't work out,
but like there was a mutual interest.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Plenty of artists.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Man, shit, I mean I can't pinpoint nobody specific, but yeah,
that shit happens all the time. Whereas I'm like, even
making a song with certain people and I'm like they'll
be hype about it. Then the next thing, you know,
it's not even on the album, and shit like that's
like that's disappointed as hell, but that's just how the
game go.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, No, it's crazy you had anything on the This
is Briddy Rich album is the Navy that I don't know?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
No, I wanted to play him some beats but any
picked song while he was there. But I guess you know,
you can get nothing on him.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Who knows, because we've been waiting like a year.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Y'all went over there and like March twenty twenty four,
I went over to the studio and played on some shit.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, yeah, do.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You have any unreleased shit on hard drives with nods
that just didn't make any of the projects because it
feels like y'all just.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Did it and it came out. That's basically what it was.
We probably got a few songs and it took, but
we let the clip out, like we let that shit
just go. What about you and Sean? We got some joints.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
A matter of fact, he just called me last night
and was like, bro, I'm aut the lock back in
with you. He been on tour, so no, he's on tour. Yeah,
so when you get back, we're gonna get back to it.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
You kind of like, uh, you know Russ always kind
of he's made it famous to be like, yo, I
make the beat, I write the song. Yeah, I mix
and master the record marketed.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I do the folk.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I respect I respect it, like like, but you were
you do that in your own way too, Like you
were very much like if you put out a hip
boy song, like it's all.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
You for the most part.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Are you like super super involved like you were talking
about how like the visuals have gotten better. Are you
like pretty involved in like those that process straight?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
On every detail, bro, Like I'm I'm on the text
with the producers. I'm really like dialing in, like you know,
just on the level that you know, I wasn't able
to see before.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Right right, Like Yo, I got this idea, I like
this shot.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, Like it's like basically I'll be like and when
the editor actually come to my spot and like we
just like wanted together down right there, like you know,
everybody happy.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Do you feel like, you know, I feel like there's
like a is there is there still kind of like
this sonic divide you think between the I E And
L A.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I mean nah, just as far as music.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
You're just like sonically, I feel like I feel like
there was always kind of like a little bit a
little bit of difference between like LA rappers and I
rappers in terms.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Of like I mean, I guess you know you got
like you got spanked, you got R three, you got
you know, some niggas from out there that kind of
you know, they got an l a vibe.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
It's just it's just calie. You know.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Have you heard of a pot Joko? He has the
song I E I E. Oh you gotta hit hold on, bro,
So this is I want to play for you because
it's the this is like the hardest. This is the
I anthem right here, dog going crazy. Yeah, it's this
Asian kid. He's Asian.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Right, where are you from? What city he's from?
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Things like he's from uh, I don't know, he's from
the dog.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Listen, this ship is tight to the video.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Yeah, how.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Here rock That ship is tight. I gotta tap in
with hot Joko. Man, you gotta tap in. What is
it hock p a k j okay a Yeah, putting
on for the I E. Dog Man shout out to
the I E.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
He's got.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
He's got a song called Chingo. What's the chingen to
Madre fucking Migro because his girls Mexican. He said they're
tying to deport my bitch.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Oh ship.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, because originally I was like, yo, your Mexicans, like,
nah my girl is you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Shot the ship out the protest the video ship Oh damn.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, all right, So when's the I'm coming out software
day next month, September, So it's coming in September.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Any features, Yeah, I got Alchemists on there.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I got dom on there, I got a Spank on there.
I got who else I want?
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Ship h.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Left Lefty gun play pas Lefty hunh Yeah. So you're
in the studio with Lefty. I've seen him dog Man,
he's so so he got of it, just does the
lefty thing and then do you Max, do you like
in post put it like grab the best parts? I
mean because he be in there shooting from the hip
(30:03):
for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
When he's in the sometimes ill like you know, move
stuff around and nudgs ship just put it in more
in the pocket. But you know what he's doing though, right,
fun guy, that's my dog. He was having me in tears, bro, Yeah, nigga.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Too funny and like, has he ever looked at you
and said, I'm the biggest dog.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I'm the biggest you have me rolling recently, I'm the
biggest Mexican ever, said.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
He When he was doing the video for the song
on the album, he like, come outside, he saw my lambo.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
He was like this show Ship He's like this show
range too. He's like, what happened to the Mayback? I'm like,
I gave that ship to my mom.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
He was like, God damn, how the fuck you got
so much money that rolling?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
All Right, so album's coming out in September, big features
on it.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
You got more than one video coming.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Like, I know you've dropped up lined up.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
The motherfucking clip is full. Bro, were dialing in, We
got ship right now?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Are you independent?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Independent? Fully?
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Bro?
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I'm going I'm doing this ship.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
She was like, even distro wiser you got, like I
fucking with the Orchard on a distribution. But like as
far as the whole market and everything I'm doing with videos,
I'm just like all my creatives, me and me and
my homie ship, Sam Nema, my boy double, And you're
making a.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Ship working on a new pub deal that I'm assuming
whenever the press release drops, it's gonna it's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
One of them things, a good headline.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
It's gonna be a good headline for all right, software
update on the way man, and then you and al
ship's coming for hip ho production for sure, Yes, sir,
here is my dog, Sir,
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