#594 - Joy Taylor Talks Free Agency, Fox Sports Drama, Past Co-Workers, Two Personal & Upcoming Moves

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Speaker 2 (02:09):
Hey welcome thanks for having me back.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Of course, of course we had a good time. I
don't know, it's like two years ago something like that,
but yeah, welcome back. How's everything? Obviously you know you are.
I guess you are a free agent now? Is that
what you would say? I feel like, But I feel
like you're kind of like doing you now, like you
have your own platform, your own shit going, like, how's
everything right now? With you?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Everything is? Everything's good? Actually, I feel a little like
when friends ask me how I'm doing. You ever go
through something and you're coming out of it and you
have like this anxiety about saying things are good. Yeah,
that's the stage I'm at right now, where I'm like,
I'm good, Like I am good, I'm good, I am good.

(02:55):
I need to practice saying that you're and affirming that
I'm okay and that I'm good.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
But I am good, I too. Personal has been great.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
It's been a stretch for me, like creatively and as
a personality because it's it's such a step outside of
sports and anyone who knows me well, vulnerability is not
my strong suit. And when you're talking about life and
politics and relationships and sex and love and family, and trauma,

(03:26):
Like you have to be vulnerable if you're going to
really connect with the audience. So it's been kind of
a therapeutic practice for me also, so learn how much
of myself in that space I'm going to share because
in the sports space, I've always respected that when people
are coming to me for sports, that's what they're coming
to me for. They don't want to care, they don't
really care how I take my giral cheese sandwiches. So

(03:50):
so it's been fun. And yeah, being a free agent
is also fun. There's a lot that's that's coming down
the pipeline. I haven't been I have been strategic about
not just jumping to the next thing. Yeaheah.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
I think a lot of people they like it's almost
like your ego wants you to like bounce back super
quick for the public perception like yeah, like look I
moved on, I got a new thing, think something was
waiting for me. But I feel like you got to
take your.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Time like I do. And I've always been a very
intentional person about my career and I'm not a I'm
not an impulse decision maker when it comes to those things.
And I also regardless of what everybody thinks I've been
doing this a long time.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
I just saw, like it's funny because I just saw
like a video because I just typed your shit in
on YouTube yesterday and I saw like a clip on
like the reels of you from like damn, you're like
fifteen years ago. Yeah, Like like I was like, dang,
Like it's crazy to think how long you were on TV.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
I would cringe to watch that.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Because how long was that part of your journey?

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I mean I was from I got Fox for nine
years for over.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Nine years before that, you were doing radio on Miami, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, and I started my career in Miami. So I
my first internship was in two thousand and seven. So
that's how long I've been working in this business, which is,
you know, almost eighteen years. I mean almost twenty years,
so eighteen years. I don't know, I've been in too
much math today, but a long time.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah. It's interesting too, because I feel like I've gotten
let go from places, and like you said, like I've
had two I had a few different experiences where I
felt grief and I felt like sad and then how
am I going to get through this? And then you know, recently,
when I got like over from my heart in twenty twenty,
I was like relieved. I was like, oh nice, now
I could just do me well.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
I think when you're in the when you're really in
the business, you you at some point understand how the
business works. Right, So you know, our business has become
sort of this it'll space like there's the entertainers, there's
the athletes, there's the actors, and then there's the for

(06:08):
lack of a better term, journalist because you know, journalism
is something that I hold sacred. But for the sake
of this conversation, the journalists, the people that cover them,
the pundits, the personalities, and then the fans and all
of the lines have kind of become blurred. So people
are interested in what their you know, favorite personality, what

(06:29):
their careers are. I mean, like people have their own
platforms that have become cult followings in themselves. So I
do get the interest in it, and it's you know,
it's a it's an honor really to have a community
of people that follow you and you know, fans of
your work. But it is a part of the business.
Like it's cliche, but nothing lasts forever. And you know,

(06:52):
I'm very proud of the work that I put into
the business, the amount of time that I've been able
to be in the business, Like it's it's a privilege.
It's a hard business to lasten And you know I'm
still here.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Are you still, like do you still have the interest
to try to do the sports thing like on like
maybe like in a major way, like on a major network.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, I mean I think the network thing is interesting
because the business has changed so much, So I don't
you know, I don't want to speak too soon, but
there's things happening. Well when when we have the ability
to talk about what's next, we will, But yes, I
will be in the sports space on a platform. I

(07:37):
could do things now in the sports space, but I
really want the next thing I do to be something
that I'm really passionate about, something that really cuts through
in the marketplace, and something that I've put like my
own blood, sweat and tears into. So yeah, in no
way am I done in the sports space. I'm in

(07:58):
the transitional part of that space. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I mean in a world in which Skip Bayless is
now on Gills Arena talking football like yeah, like there's
no rules anymore.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
No, No, there are no rules, and that's you know. I
was just having this conversation on a panel this past
weekend about how much the business has changed, and I
hesitate to tell people, tell everyone to start their own platform,
because everybody is not going to have a successful podcast.
Everyone is not going to have a successful digital show.
Everyone is not going to be the biggest creator on

(08:29):
the planet. Like that's not how it works. However, it
is part of the world we live in to create content.
Whether it everything you know goes off and is viral
or is the biggest hit, really doesn't matter. You can
no longer wait for somebody to come and give you
the space that you want in the business, whatever it is,

(08:49):
whether you are working pr whether you work in social
media right, whether you are you know, a salesperson, like
you have to create your own energy in the business.
The I mean, look at what's happening at these at
these big networks, Like we're in hell this these these
conglomerates coming together, Like what's looking It's so beyond our

(09:09):
pay grade and like this shit is international fucking Illuminati shit,
Like you can't don't worry about that, Like it is
the people have spoken and these microphones are moving the needle,
and you have to be comfortable in that space. It
is the wild West. It is a different world, certainly
different world than I grew up in, certainly different world

(09:30):
than I came up in in the business. But it
is what it is.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Like.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
You can't fight how the industry has changed. Think about
how much shit has changed just from twenty nineteen Zion
now like Zoom digital shows, the ability to interview people
who live on the other side of the planet, to
do shows with people who are not in the same city.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Like everything is like you know, just I always tell people,
I'm like, man, I don't know the zoom shit's kind
of played. And then Shannon and Chado CHOSINGO dude cap
and it goes crazy.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Of course, zoo because because we're used to as consumers
seeing that now and kids don't watch TV, right, they
don't watch TV. They're not gonna start watching TV.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Most people, like I would say, under thirty probably don't
watch TV. Like I'm on YouTube, like right, like even
my news Like I'm like, you know, if I'll just
look at the YouTube.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Lo, our habits have changed, right, So because of that,
where you consume things has changed also, and it's why
every massive entity is trying to find a way to
infiltrate this screen as well. So you know, it's all
very like inside baseball in some ways. But that's just
what the future is.

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I wanted to ask you so a couple of years ago,
maybe it's like a year and a half ago. This
lawsuit thing comes out and your name's in it, and
obviously you don't acknowledge it. Is that like when you

(12:29):
go through something like that and you just see, because
I know you have to see, like the noise around
your name online even some of the people who maybe
formerly worked at the network, Like I know everyone's got
a YouTube channel. Is that a hard thing to like
because you're an outspoken person who I'm sure just wants
to defend themselves and be like, motherfucker. Yes, Is that

(12:51):
a hard thing to go through? And is that a
hard thing to kind of like just kind of let
the world come to their own conclusions because you really
didn't come out and speak about it while you're at
the network.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah, it's a hard thing to go through.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
I can imagine. Yeah, people, because you can't you're not control,
like you're letting the poet kind of control your narrative
at a certain point.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah. But I've been in the business long enough and
seeing people go through through things long enough to see
every kind of mistake people make when they're in the
middle of something right, and when you know the truth,
it really helps you sleep at night mm hmm, regardless
of what people are saying about you.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
And of course you know when you're when your name is.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Being dragged and you're included in horrible conversations and people
are saying, wow, thats shit about you. You want to
defend yourself, but who are you gonna win with? And
for what. And people are gonna believe what they want
to believe at the end of the day anyway, right,
So for me it was it was definitely very difficult
to go through. But I had an amazing group of

(13:52):
people around me, an amazing team, most of whom you know,
and you have to just stay stay ground. Did and
I'm glad I I handled it the way that I did.
I do not have any regrets about how it all
went down from from my ends. So yeah, I wouldn't
wantn't do it.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Was there anybody who because I felt like, you know,
I saw certain people speaking on it, like like a
Marcella's Wiley who's got a YouTube channel. It feels like
he's kind of turned into like a sports announcer gossip channel.
But was there anybody whose relationship like you you like,
were surprised by, like, you know, because I feel like
people are gonna say what they're gonna say, did did

(14:33):
you lose any friendships?

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Or for sure? For sure? For sure and the and
there's there's a list And I'm to be clear, it's
not it's not like cool. Just because I didn't say
ship does.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Not mean it's cool.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Just when everything happened. I did not look at anything.
I did not go online. I did not read comments,
I did not watch videos, I did not consume shows.
I've never been somebody who looks up or consumes anything
that throughout my career. When people hate on me, I'm
not like, oh, let me read this arcurity with somebody said,
I've never watched a second of any of these things. Subconsciously,

(15:14):
it gets to you unless somebody from my team has
sent it to me, like you need to see this,
how do you want to handle this? I have not
gone to look for it. I don't consume it. It
does get in your head, but it also it enrages.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
You to a point where you lose yourself.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Regardless of what the situation is, whether you're guilty or
not guilty, you're going to react the same because you're
enraged by the inability to take control of the situation.
And if you're an aspirational person at any point, you're
probably also a control freak to some level. And that's
all being challenged all at once, on top of it
being a very emotional and hard thing to go through.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
So yeah, there are people, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Going to have to see me at some point and
I don't play fair, so we'll get there. But I'm
a I'm a slow kill. I always have been right,
So twelve years from now when I pop out the bushes,
don't act surprised.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Right.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
But it also, you know, people are always like, oh,
like you got to forgive, Like forgiveness it's for you,
it's not for them, Okay, Like this is not consuming
my life.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
I'm like, you're not like driven, My skin is.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Clear, I'm hydrated, Like I'm doing fine. It's yeah, it's
not like getting me out of bed in the morning cool.
But I do think it's important. It's so funny how
like conversations that you have in life like come up
again and again. Because I was just talking about this
last night. I think it's important to let people know

(16:45):
not to play with you.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
And let them know where they stand with you too.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, because sit is not cool And I'm actually I'm
actually if you want to say whatever you want to say, cool.
But what I think is interesting is happening now across
the board, not just with me, like with everybody, is
like people want to say shit, and then when someone
says something back, they're like, god, right, what inspired this?
Like what the fucker what are you talking about? Like

(17:11):
in politics, in fucking sports and entertainment, like across the board,
people pop off and then when someone says something mean back,
it's like, what did you think? What kind of energy
were you expecting? The energy you put out is the
energy you're going to get back? Who taught you anything different?
It's wild to me. And it's not about canceling or

(17:31):
people being sensitive. I say this all the time. We
need to reintroduce hand to hand combat. We need more
violence in the world, not less violence, just less deadly violence.
But there needs to be a time, like there was
a time where you would get the shit smacked out
of you if you said certain things and you knew
that and you were either willing to take the risk

(17:53):
or you shut your fucking mouth. And people just do
not have that anxiety anymore. They have no anxiety about
getting checks on any Like.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
It's the internet. It's the Internet. It's like the safe space.
People will say the craziest shit about you and then
you see them in person and it's like.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
We need less safe spaces.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Do away with this.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Yeah, I mean, like the way people talk online is insane.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Like I saw something insane.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
I saw some Laura Lumer said today about Jasmin Crockett.
It was the most racist, crazy shit I've ever seen,
and I was like, this bitch would not say this
in person. This is crazy.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Of course not, but actually, in some ways I think
that they might because they know there's nothing that's going
to happen to that. They know that that person is
gonna get sued or it's gonna get immediately arrested.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
You can go it hit me because correct, And.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
It's like that sucks, pussy ass shit.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
We talk about this all the time in sports because
you saw the other day the guy at the game
who hit Lamar Jackson on the head. So I'm popping
off about it immediately because I go from zero to
a thousand when fans get involved with athletes. This is
their workplace. You are here to observe the second that

(19:06):
you insert yourself in the game. These dickheads that run
that streak across the field, these people that touch the players,
like if they if they remove your neck from your head,
I don't care. You have introduced a physical interaction with
a professional athlete. Whatever they want to do to you

(19:27):
is what they want to do. And they and in
my opinion, they should get free range. Like if you
jump on the field and they fucking tackle you and
you are cooked, like that was the choice you made,
you decided to enter this arena. It drives me insane.
But people just do things and they have no consequences
because none of us are saying everyone should just go
out and kill each other. Of course not, but damn, like,

(19:49):
could we just square up and get this over with?

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Do you feel like for you, is there anybody on
that list that if you see him, you're gonna be like, yo,
can I talk to you outside?

Speaker 2 (19:58):
So yes, there are are definitely people that I will
have conversations with. But the other part of it is,
you know, because there's consequences, It's like, what are the
consequences for me? Because fuck the consequences for you.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, you don't want to jeopardize the bag. You know
what I'm saying, You don't want to jeopardize your freedom.
And like you said, people.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Jail keeps me out of a lot of shit, for sure.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
I don't know how people go to jail. I will
tell you what, I'm not going to jail.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
In jail twice it is not great.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
I have been inside several jails.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
I'm not it is not good. I mean, I've only
spent the night twice, but each time I was, oh
my god, give us. One time I used to roll
the toilet paper as a pillow in a holding cell
with like fifty other guys.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I don't want to know parts.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
You don't want no part of that.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
You guys are lucky jail exists.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
I saw you. First of all, I had drafted your
nephew as a sleeper rookie tied end. He's on the Jets.
How cool was that to be able to go and
see him play his first game?

Speaker 3 (21:00):
It was crazy, you know.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
It's he was in Michigan, right, No, it was LSU, that's.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Right, but LSU it was crazy, you know.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
It's it's been what you're Jason retire. Oh my god,
I'm getting old.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
It's been a while.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
It's been a while, but it's been that long, really,
And they both my nephews play college football. So watching
them play college, you know, brought that back. But now
we're seeing him in the NFL. At this stage, I forgot, like,
oh shit, this is different.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
It was a crazy game.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
You watched with anxiety the whole time, like it is
not an enjoyable experience. Like it was exciting to see
him come out and the game started and I'm like,
oh my god, my little baby, and he's like still
a baby, he's twenty one years old. Crazy, But then
like the whole time, I'm just worried, and then the
game's over.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
It's such a crazy game.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
That was a stealer Jets game. Yeah, no, they played well,
but yeah it was. It was exciting at his first
catch on a good drive, but it's it's really awesome
to see that. And I mean, Jason is crushing it
at University of Miami. He's a defensive line coach. They
have like one of the best defensive lines in the country.
And my nephew's there as well.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
As all I know about because I'm not a big
college guy, I just know that Pat McAfee just dived
off of the fucking swimming pool.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
I couldn't watch it. I couldn't watch it. I am
not somebody who's afraid of heights, but that that swimming
pool shit.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
I watched it, and I was so out of breath
watching him run and climb up those ladders. Well by
the time he got to the top of that fucking thing.
I was like, this guy's got it. I don't care
how its shape you are. That dude had to be dying.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
It's it's making me not just think about it. I
could not.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
I would be so fucking scared to jump off of that.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yeah nuts, I'm a heights guy too. I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
I'm not even scared of heights.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
But there's so many things that could go wrong when
you're not a diver, Like if you make one wrong move,
what happens if you smack your face off the water,
which I recently did. At my friend's boucher party, we
had like a to be fair, I was drinking, so
it changed the drink or something, drink probably, but we
had like a riverboat thing and I jumped off the

(23:12):
top and like mid jump, I changed. I was I
was going the right way, like you know you're supposed
to just like go in, and then I changed your
form mid jump, straight face planted. I thought, I like
gave myself a heart attack. Yeah, so I can't imagine
it feels like jumping off of that.

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I saw recently. I don't know if you have a
relationship with her, but Molly Kierram had resigned out of
nowhere kind of yeah, are you guys friends?

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, we are. I don't, I don't know. I have
no insight into what happens.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
I think Molly is if you and Molly did a
pod like about sports, that might go.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Fucking People have suggested that what.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
I thought, I said, oh, Joy and Milly Karen did?

Speaker 2 (24:57):
I mean, I love Molly.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
I think best of both that works coming together.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
She's great, She's she's done such a great job on
that show and having done that job, having been a moderator,
because I don't I mean, some of you are new here,
but I launched Undisputed with Skip and Shannon, so I
did that job for two years and it is not
an easy job, and it requires a lot of emotional intelligence,

(25:24):
I will say, on top of being a great like
broadcaster and understanding this like the nuance of the business,
how to go to break, how to you know, properly
interrupt people to get to break those type of things.
She's just so so good at that. Like I hate
to see her go off that show because she's just
she's She's invaluable to how that works. I'm really interested

(25:45):
to see who, you know, they replace her with. But
she's she's one of the best in the business. Whatever
she does next, she's going to do a great job
at But you know, I hate to see her go
because she's just so good at It.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Was moderating undisputed initially. Did you ever you know, because
felt it kind of felt like once things kind of
fell apart between Skip and Shannon, Like like, I guess
I always watched and assume that they were friends, Like, like,
what was the dynamic like from the beginning, because obviously
they're getting to know each other and you, I mean,
you're new to the situation. What was that like kind

(26:18):
of getting like everybody getting used to each other, and
like you feel like it was a pretty quick thing
where you realize, oh, they got something here, like they
got some chemistry, this is gonna work, or.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Well, I think that time was such a it was
just such a different time, Like the network was at
a completely different place, the structure the network was different.
Shannon was coming in completely new to that kind of role.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Skip is, you know, leaving ESPN. It's this huge deal.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
He's watching.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Right, Well, Colin was there, but like, you know, the
big deal of him leaving first take and leaving stephen
A and what what steven A going to do and
what Skip going to do? And the three of us
had never worked together. I didn't know Skip, I don't
know Shannon. So it just was like what we started

(27:14):
with and what it became or just two completely different
shows and dynamics and humans really but yeah, I mean
it was a it was a big undertaking, Like it
was a lot of practice on my part because I
had also never done that role. I'd only ever worked
as a personality.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Right, which is way different than yeah, way different way.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, And it was they were kind of worried about it,
like Skip particularly like he didn't know if I was
going to be able to be quiet, Like he's like,
are you going to be this is a hard job
to do, Like you're gonna want to as as someone
coming from you know, four hours of morning drive sports
stock radio, are you going to be able to do this?
Because I know what I would want to do, and

(27:54):
you know, I was there was a decision I had
to make, like this is a big opportunity. It's a network.
I mean, I was already at the network, but but
you know, this is a big opportunity on the network.
We're going to travel over the country, there's going to
be a big budget behind.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
You know, marketing it.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Like it's a big step up for me in my career,
so I can, you know, be strategic about what I'm
doing at this point in my career. But it was
a lot of getting to know him, getting to know Shannon,
kind of how they interacted, what, you know, what their
little nuances were, like what what what jokes to make
when you know it's it is like a real balancing act.

(28:28):
And at that time that show was really like the
traditional debate format, Like it's not all of these shows
have sort of morphed into panel shows now, which I prefer.
I think it's much more consumable. But preference or not,
that's what it was like. It was like do back
and forth, get the break, very structured show. So it

(28:49):
was a lot of learning on my part.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
What was like the one of the cool because during
those two years, I'm sure you guys went everywhere that
was important, whether it's you know, wherever the finals are
or what was like the coolest trip you got to
go on in like the coolest place you're able to broadcast,
or even just like the funnest trip, like we were
like yo when we went here. It was it was crazy.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
I mean, I think the Mayweather McGregor fight was kind
of the craziest. The most memorable I guess trip or
moment for me in my career was doing the Super
Bowl in Miami in twenty ninth. Well, I guess it
was twenty twenty. Yeah, before everything shuts down with Colin.
It was you know, the week Kobe died, and it

(29:29):
was just like it was just such a crazy, crazy time.
But yeah, the McGregor Mayweather fight was insane. It was
an insane spectacle. I mean, what the what you know,
they're both of their careers are and where they are now. Again,
I think like things, so much stuff happens that we
forget what people were at these, you know, certain points.

(29:54):
I knew it was going to be a shit show
because I went to the the press conference at Staples.
Remember the first time was here in LA So I
went to the first one and we did like a
live stream from it, and I was like, I'd been
to press conferences before. I've been to McGregor press conference
before at UFC in New York when he had his
first fight there, it was like it was indescribable madness,

(30:18):
Like there was did you go to it?

Speaker 1 (30:20):
No, I did not know. I wasn't living here. Well
I was living here at that time. That didn't go now,
I was.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
I was fucking chaos. And then they had there's just
like you know, the fireworks and the place is packed
with people. I mean, it's an opportunity for people, but
I think it was like one dollar to get in,
so like, this is an opportunity for people to see
McGregor and Mayweather. Sure you know they're the people that
won't be able to go through the fight. It's such
a spectacle. The media is everywhere. The two of them
are on stage with microphones like exchanging insults, right, and

(30:48):
I'm like, they have to do this in six more cities.
This is this is like this is going to devolve
into complete madness. So which it did, and then we
get to the fight. Like the McGregor fans are everywhere.
Vegas for a fight weekend is always crazy, but I
a bunch of drunk irishmen everywhere.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
And the city was like shut down.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
It was so busy. And fight weekends are always crazy
in Vegas, but that was like that was a spectacle
and we didn't know what it was going to be
because that was I don't want to say that was like.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
The start of going on right now.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, I think it was the start of these these
exhibition fights. And I mean everyone had an opinion about it.
Everyone was there, like everyone might even the people who
hated it were like I have to see, like I
have to see what happens. So that was a that
was something like so unique that I don't even know
if we'll ever get again, because you like McGregor and

(31:47):
Mayweather are such unique personalities and at the peak of
their careers when it happened, like we probably won't get
something like that again.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah. No, that was, like you said, I think it
kicked off for better for worse where we.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Are entertainment boxing world.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Well yeah, I mean I guess, you know, you could
look at it like more people are watching boxing.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Well it's not boxing, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Like you know, I'm sure more people people probably watched.
I mean, I think Netflix is such an accessible platform too,
So it's like the fact that so many people watched
Canelo and Tank or not tank A Canelo and but
I don't know. I don't know if they would have
had that many eyes on that fight had it been
just a pay per view fight.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think God, I don't want
to give the entertainment boxing credit for that, but maybe
you're right. I just that was for any kind of
like boxing purist, which I don't. I'm not a boxing purist,
but I do love boxing. That was a great fight,
and you need great fighters who have the like pedigree

(32:52):
and the history to be able to market a fight
like that. The entertainment boxing I get because it's entertainment,
and any kind of entertainment, like anything that people like watching,
whether it's for me or not, I understand. And if
there there's people who have huge audiences, they're gonna take
advantage of that. But yeah, it's it's Netflix did a
great job with that fight.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
We were talking about your time on Undisputed. Do you
hear from like when when when what goes down and
you end up leaving the network? Do you hear from
like Colin and uh, you know, Skip or any of
these guys are Shannon, do you like do they reach
out just to like, you.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Know, yeah, Colin and I are. Colin and I are
great friends. So I'm friends with a lot of people
that I used to work with, not everyone obviously, but
you know, Colin is Colin is just the best. Colin
is the you know, he's.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Really built a volume into like a juggernaut man. Yeah,
pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, Colin's man. He's like one of the most professional,
just great, consistent people that I've ever worked with in
the in the business. Like he just he hears about
doing a good show and his family like that's it was.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
He pretty like was it easy to kind of integrate
yourself into that role on his show?

Speaker 3 (34:02):
It was because I was the fill in person for
that show.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
So ye, so doing Undisputed, whenever his co host was out,
I would fill in with him. So we had already
done a considerable amount of shows together, both on radio
only AND's in.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Studio, so it was pretty easy.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Plus I had done radio for many years, so the
radio format was easy for me. And Colin is just
like he's just very easy to work with. He is
a huge prepper. He does two hours of prep before
every show.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, he's a beast.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah, I can't do it.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Like I cannot talk through the entire show and then
do the show again. The first version is going to
be the better version. And he is almost like an
actor in that he can like do the line with
the same energy every single time. But he just really
wants a well planned out show, so there was never
really a lot of guessing, Like I never felt unprepared

(34:52):
for what I needed to do because he doesn't like
like him and I would do like some personality stuff
like oh, like would you do this weekend, but it
would be for like thirty.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Seconds, right.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
He doesn't want, you know, five minutes of air where
we're you know, discussing our favorite sandwiches or something or
you know, our hot dogs a sandwich. He doesn't want
that because he doesn't think that that's what people are
coming to him for, and he wants the audience to
get what they are coming to him for, which is
sports talk in an entertaining way. So it was it
was very It was a hard challenge to do the

(35:23):
show because the show is three hours and it is
a big platform, but working with him is very easy
because he's just always very prepared.

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Talk to me about what's it like pivoting and being
able to kind of like because we always hear I mean,
I remember when Jamil Hill had gone through what she
went through because she brought politics up. There was all
this outrage. You know, people ain't going going to you
for that. You've been pretty outspoken in terms of like, uh,
just what's going on in the world, which I think

(36:55):
I don't even I wouldn't call it outspoken. I call
it being a human. But for you, like because I
feel like you were you were, you would speak up
about certain shit, like even like a kind of like
even on the air, but like in like a real
like you know, like a like a like a wink
kind of way for you, Like how dope is it

(37:17):
now where you're able to do you have your own
platform and you're just unapologetically yourself. You could talk about policy,
can talk about all this shit like it's got to
be dope.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah, I think I've I mean, I've always been someone
who knows what's going on in the world, and I
have a I'm not a practicing journalist, right, but I
have a you know, the proper traditional training as a journalist.
I still think it's important to know the story before

(37:50):
talking about it, so you know, caring about what's going
on in the world, or having an opinion about politics
or social issues or whatever everyone's talking about has always been,
you know, part of who I am. But to your point,
not having a platform, and I don't like to force
things into platforms that they don't belong, it's been it's

(38:12):
been great for me to be able to have too
personal to talk about these things. I mean, I think
some people are getting to know me a little bit better.
The people that have always known me or have followed
me for a really long time are not surprised. But yeah,
I'm like a little more outside now.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
And yeah, when you told you were telling the story
about like I think it was like an ex boyfriend
of yours that you were like taken care of.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Well, you know, like they've all been there.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
That's relatable. I feel like that was like super relatable.
That's the kind of shit where like you're gonna have
new fans and be like, oh, yeah, she's telling like
this a girl from the sports show.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Like yeah, yeah, So I mean that that's the opportunity
to tell to tell those stories.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
And look, I'm thirty eight years old, I've I've lived
some life.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
And.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
But I think like you said, I think it's like
people have become invested in like these personalities even though
they know them from Like I mean, Shannon Sharps are
perfect because people are so invested in what was going
on with his personal life. Yeah, even prior to the
lawsuit when he had to check on the FaceTime you
know what I'm saying, Like, which was insane, But I
feel like, you know, there are there's Twitter pages that

(39:20):
are literally just about like what's going on with like
sports announcers lives.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Yeah, I mean it's we've become like, I don't know,
it's like this cottage. We're almost like WWE characters or something. Yes,
we're not just And that's why I really harp on
like I'm not a journalist, because I think journalists are
like doctors or teachers or lawyers in that they have

(39:47):
a certain obligation to society to be as unbiased as
humanly possible and like tell the story. And in today's
world that is even more necessary than probably ever because
the story. We are in a post truth society. Sure,
So I came up in the business with the intention
of being a personality. I always wanted to be a

(40:10):
person someone who reacts to the story, not tells the
story makes sense.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
But what's happening now is we are also the story.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, which is I guess an unavoidable developments of being
a personality.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
But yeah, it's it's just a new world.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Do you get to the point where you become friends
with any of these athletes and you're very like you
kind of hold back a little if they have like
a bad game or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Of course.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Everybody does. Anybody who says they're not doing that is
a lying, liars, lying, lying, not faking it.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Just this the hard L word.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Like there's guys who, like you were like, yeah, that's
the helmie. I gotta care. I'm gonna take it a
little easier.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
But I will never I also don't go hard in
a disrespectful way on people either, right, Like I don't.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Never done that where you're like shitting I mean, I mean,
like you know, like I mean.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
If somebody's if somebody is. I'm not gonna say I've
never gone hard on anybody, but for me, I will.
I always want to be able to face anybody that
I speak.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
About, so like you're gonna run into them eventually, you
don't want them to look at you like, yo, you
weren't fair right, right?

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Like, if I run into our crackhead secretary of Health,
I'm gonna tell him he's an unqualified crackhead, right who
should not be running the Department of Health.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Hey, Tyland, old man.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Fucking insane. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
You cannot be a retired crackhead and run this Department
of Health. It's not I don't care what the fuck
it is. He's unqualified, and I would happily tell him
whose face is unqualified. There's plenty of things I'm unqualified for,
by the way, jobs I would not take because I'm
not qualified for them. But you will not catch me
in a job i'm unqualified for. So yeah, if I

(41:56):
say something about someone, I want to be able to
say it to their face. It's just a you know,
I wouldn't describe myself as the you know, perfectly principled person,
but I I want to always be able to stand
on that. So if I'm like not crushing someone the
way that maybe I would if I didn't know them.
Right In uncontrast, if I don't know someone, I'm not

(42:18):
gonna be unfair to them either.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
What would who who's like a friend of yours that
you just like.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
You, I cannot reveal my sources. Okay, obviously I'm never
gonna crush my nephew right like, and I'm telling you now,
I'm gonna be nice to the Jets because my nephew
plays for them.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Like makes see that makes sense, and like be mad
at me.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
I don't know, I don't think. I don't care. Like
I'm always going to be much more pleasant to the Jets.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
See that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Then I have been in the years past because my
nephew plays for them, and that's it. And if you know,
like I can kiss my ass, that's obviously.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Would it be hard for you to like sit in
and hear like like like the opposite of what you're
saying essentially, like somebody like Skip just being so harsh
on like Lebron James if it was my family, No,
I'm saying for you like when you were when you
were doing Undisputed? Would it like it is like it
felt like a lot of times.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Oh yeah, There's been plenty of times where I where
my co hosts have said things I've adamantly disagreed with
and for whatever reason, you know, I think people think
that you just have this endless track like where we're
doing a show like this where I can be like whoa,
like we don't have a time limit. Let's get into Yeah,

(43:34):
I can't. I can't just like insert myself in every
single thing, even if it's you know, a format like
speak where it is all of our shows. Yeah, Like
it just doesn't necessarily always work like that. But yeah,
there's been plenty of times, and there's been times where
you know, I've my coast have said something I've disagreed
with and I have confronted them immediately about it. But yeah,

(43:54):
there's there's times where it's it's frustrating, it's it's also
like to me, like I said, I just come at
the I come to it from a different perspective. And
maybe it's because of my brother, right, but I don't.
I don't want to be the story. I don't want
it to be. Oh, you know, Joy Taylor has this
beef with this athlete, Like I'm a nerd. I talk

(44:16):
about what other people do for a living, right, which
is that perspective is never gonna leave me. I am
not saving souls, I am not saving lives. I'm not
bringing anybody to heaven. And I'm not sending anybody to help,
So what are we doing? Like, we're not digging ditches here,
We're talking about sports. It's really not that serious. Like
we have to touch grass sometimes, and I think sometimes

(44:39):
when the camera's on, people start to you know, the
ego j just to start flowing, start feeling a little saucy,
and you know, you forget that we're talking about the
one percent of the one percent of humans in the world.
I was watching the Lions Ravens game, like, these motherfuckers

(45:00):
are so good at football, like dose catches. I'm like,
that's unbelievable. Like there's just sometimes when they'll do shit,
I'm like, that's fucking unbelievable. And there was a good Yeah,
they're gonna cook the Ravens and they're like, they're unbelievable.
These athletes, the ship that they're able to play fantasy football. Yeah, hey,
I fucking hate Like I just wonder I love fantasy football.

(45:22):
I also hate it. It pisses me like.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
More than one league.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I have three leagues.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Oh, you're fucking committed, you're in it.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
I really try to only do two, but I got
sucked into another one this year, which I'm doing very
terrible in but yeah, yeah, I mean fantasy football is
the It ruins my life every single year, I yo,
every So it's such a fucking mood crusher.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
We're part of one like super serious league where everyone
and it's just psychopaths, and usually I can only do
that league because it's so much.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, I have one very serious league, and I have
one that I've been in for like thirteen years.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
I'm the commissioner, and like we'll have like like we
found out we let our homies wife in one year
and we found out they were colluding on the side
with trades. He like admitted to me, like, oh, I
just parked a player on her bench. I would I
called a zoom press conference with all of the members
of the league, had pretty much put his ass on
trial and kicked aim out on Zoom.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Why would why would he ever admit to that?

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yo? I was talking about the money league.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yes, But I called him and I said, Yo, what's
up with this? You just traded those two players last
week to your wife and she's trading them back to you.
What the fuck is going on?

Speaker 2 (46:30):
So?

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Well, you know, I just wanted to park on our bench,
I said, oh buddy, I'm the commissioner. You kid, you
just admitted the collusion.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
You're gone.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
I hit the group chat. I said, today's zoom noon.
Anybody who could make it? We have to vote on brand.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Are that's completely very out of go. That's crazy. Our
group chat is absolutely insane. I actually have a trade
that I'm looking at right now. Let me tell you,
let me see what you think about.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
And it's a two quarterback league we're in.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
So it's yeah, you guys are nuts. I don't want
ever want to participate in that. I need I need
running backs. Hey, all this up to it takes a lead,
forget it.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yeah, I mean the running backs are they're scarce.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Rang Now, I usually draft running backs first, because.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Would you take like Jamar Chaser somebody.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Well, I had the number one pick in I don't
I think I had to take like, well, this league,
this league, the expensive league. I picked like eighth, just
the fucking worst.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
What Yeah, this year I was all about being late.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
But yeah I got Puka, who's doing well. Yeah, good pick.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Yeahcase, I mean I got Jamar Chase. So I don't
know what the fuck Browning is gonna do besides throwing interceptions.
But you know the Bengals are that offensive line is atrocious.
They should not have paid t Higgins. They should have
paid offensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
But it's neither hear you gotta start in the trenches.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Yeah, that is true. Your brother one of the best,
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with them to start that?

Speaker 2 (48:54):
No, I was not included in the speakeasy operation.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
I just all I was like, oh, this is interesting.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
But I'm glad for them, you know, they they wanted to.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
I didn't. I don't. I haven't talked to you to.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Either one of them about it yet, but but yeah,
I mean, I guess.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
That's I heard.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
I mean, it's it is like I still have because
I've been doing this for so long and because I
haven't started my next thing yet, I have this like
anxiety every day I wake up with like, oh my god,
where do I put Where do I put my sports takes?
I have thoughts and I don't have anywhere to put them,
so I'm still like practicing.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
You gotta put them in your fantasy football group chat.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, that's actually a good spot for it. They're gonna
get really tired of me pretty soon. But but yeah,
so it's you know, they're everyone els to start their
own thing, like that's what we've been talking about.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
What are your thoughts on what happened with Jimmy Kimmel
because obviously they say he's supposed to be back on tonight,
but I don't know what's going on with Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
I mean, I don't like to speak thoroughly on things
that I have not like head.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
First get a divage.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
But it seems as if this is all way above
our our pay grade. It is not as simple as
them reacting to what.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
He said about Charlie Kirk. This hays to do with.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Some FCC merger stuff. And it's not like a conspiracy thing,
like it's one hundred percent because was talking that ship. Yeah.
I am not a conspiracy theory person. I think birds
are spies for the government, but other than that, I
don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. I don't have time for them.

(50:36):
This is not a conspiracy theory like, that is what
all of this ship is about, and it's being packaged
as a slap, you know, a slap on the wrists
for saying something about a podcaster. That's not They.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Don't care about Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
They do not.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
That's not what this is.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
So I don't want to speak like I don't want
to speak with too much attention and elaborate on it
too much because I don't I cannot properly explain it.
But that is what's happening.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Let's have a fantasy draft where you get to draft
a panel TV show. You're the executive producer. It could
be former athletes, it could be pundits, it could be
who are you give me a four person four person show?
If you if it were if it were up to you, Salaries,
contractual issues, none of that is in doing.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
None of that matters. Okay, we have an unlimited budget, yes, okay,
so hmmm uh. And I'm not involved.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
You could be you could you could be the you
could be on the show, you could be a moderator,
you could be the executive.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
I think it's easier if I'm not involved.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Okay, you're not involved.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I'm just the executive producer.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Or maybe we could just do like Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Of Well, look that'd be that'd be a I mean, yeah,
I mean obviously we I mean.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
So I gotta put I gotta put skip.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Colin and steven a. But if I'm like actually producing
this show.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Produce the show, yeah, goes three together.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
I'm changing a question about Yeah, like that's not that's
not a good show that the three of them together.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
And break the TV.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Well, it's just the thing. It doesn't work, Like they
don't do the same things like Colin did, did that show,
did panel shows before, but like that is Colin is
the best at like talking into a camera and like
looking into your soul and talking. I don't know, I
have to give this some thought. This is a I
don't want to speak out of turn.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Is there an athlete that you feel like isn't on
TV or hasn't given it a run that you're like, well, I.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Think I think when Micah is done with playing Micah
is going to be is going to be a great personality.
And he's he's smart to have started that now because
he's already a big personality. All the shit that happened
with the Cowboys, like he's going to have an incredible career,
and he is a he is a personality, so like
he's on sort of that like Gronk trajectory for sure,

(52:55):
where he's going to be a personality after sports, and
Gronk has done an amazing job. So I think Micah
for sure. Draymond obviously is you know, he's been in
that space, but he's when he's done playing, like that's
going to be a very easy transition to that doing
that full time and he'll do a great job with that.

(53:15):
I'm trying to think of somebody who like doesn't necessarily
have already like stepped into.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
It, that just got personality.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
I think Page is going to be amazing when Page
is a great Personality's very funny Angel obviously, but Angel
has her show. Somebody who doesn't, uh you know what
I think aman Ra Saint Brown.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
I saw I saw him get caught on the hot
mic class.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So I think he has he does
he doesn't have a show? Does he?

Speaker 1 (53:53):
If he does, I'm not aware of.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Uh yeah, I think he and he's very smart. I
think he'll do a great job if he wants to
get into the media space. Also, I'm probably forgetting a
bunch of guys. But but yeah, there's what I love
now about like the space that all athletes and like
entertainment figures have is that they can create their own

(54:15):
stuff while they're still doing for sure their career and
like allow people into their personalities. I've always been an
advocate of players and just people, young people diversifying their
you know, business portfolios and being able to be active
in different spaces, like that old school mentality of you know,

(54:36):
you can't do anything else other than this, like if
you're not locked in one hundred percent, like that's not
that's stupid obviously, And I think, you know, Magic Johnson
sort of started that and Lebron does.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
He had the late night talk show.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Yeah, and like Magic is just like he's the the
pinnacle of an of athlete turned of successneur, Yeah, and
just paved the way or that, and like Lebron has
taken it to a whole other level. And you know,
Lebron I think actually has done such an amazing job
with it because nobody can question his commitment level. He

(55:11):
takes impeccable care of his body and for him to
be able to have all of these business ventures and
shows and movies and everything that he does and still
be able to play at the level he's playing. It's
like that's really shut everybody up, and now it's spilled
over to college because nil so, I mean, I think
it's great, Like I'm here for it. I think the

(55:31):
more ways that people can make money, the more ways
that people can express themselves, the more ways people can
have their own voice, right, is better for everyone. I
know A lot of like the traditional people in the
business don't like it because you know, it may take
away some jobs, but like you got to get creative and.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
The change.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Yeah, Like I hear like some journalists and on the
hip hop side will talk shit about like you know,
Fagio and Jadakus or whoever because they feel like they're
not journalists. I've worked all, you know, and I'm like, yeah,
that's like you should be more entertaining. The world has changed,
like you know what I'm saying, Like, I mean, rather
watch and Jadakiss talk about fad Joe's diet pepsi addiction

(56:10):
while Jada Kiss laughs uncontrollably on the couch. Then you know,
hear about the fifty eight producers on one song.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
I mean, why can't there be both? I just don't know.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
I'm just not a born hater. Like it's just not
in my blood, it's not in my DNA. So I
don't default to somebody else's doing something and they're taking
away from me. That is just not how my brain works.
If someone else has some success, I don't know what
that has to do with me. It's nothing to do
with me. I'm happy for them, love that.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
What the fuck does that have to do with me?

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Nothing?

Speaker 2 (56:46):
So why can't there be journalists who do the journalist
thing for people who want to consume that? And why
can't we also have that show there's no correlation to
you being minimized when someone else steps into the space.
I also I had a diet coke addiction.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Oh I love diet coke. God.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
So I I had like three a day for a while.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
And I just went to lunch and I took I
took two down.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Well I don't now now I really.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
The diet coke.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
I just stopped.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
I just called so good. I don't want regular.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Can like the can can. Yeah, well so now if
I really want soda, it's it's like those little mini
regular coke cans.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
So like a mini not a diet coke.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
No, now I do like the regular coke, but this
was years ago. Like I don't really drink soda. I
will crush the bubble waters though, Like I'll take down
like four of those a day.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
I love so good. I want all that cancer.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Yeah, that's why I stop drinking it. Because I was like,
I read an article. It was like it turns into
froml to hide in your brain. I was like, that
doesn't sound good, and I'm definitely I'm definitely drinking way
too many of these.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
So let's let's talk. I saw this fat fuck whitlock
called you the peanut butter Tupac.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Did you see this, oh, king of the worm boys, this.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Slob of a human being, the king of the BB dubs.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Sir snacks a lot, Sir snacks.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Oh that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah, fucking cholesterol, fucking
Gotti right there. Uh but yeah, uh he's.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Such a pig.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Peanut butter Tupac, that's what he called you.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
It's actually not bad, not terrible. It's not it's not bad.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
You could I mean, honestly, not a bad Tupac's great, obviously.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
I just wonder if he can come up with anything
that doesn't involve food, I challenge him.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Yeah. Actually was my bachelor party weekend. I was in
Vegas and this was around the time of him shitting
on Kaepernick and when he like started to go like
I don't know whatever the fuck maggot out or whatever,
and he was playing craps and I'm fucked up. Listen,
I'm walking past the craps table me and my boys,

(58:46):
and I fucking I stopped and I is that that
fat motherfucker JESSEU Wilock And he turns around and I
just get on my knee, like we stay with Colin Kaepernick,
you fat fuck And he turned around and he tried
to Like I felt bad because he actually tried to
talk to me and like introduced himself to me, and

(59:06):
I was like, fuck you.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
I felt bad.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
No, No, I felt bad because like he turned around
and was like, hey, man, you want it's good to
meet you. You want to talk? Well, what's your issue
with me? And I was like, yo, fuck you, and
I would just it was so funny.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
That's all he deserves something.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
All my boys were yeah, yeah, we always have that story.
And my Homey's got it on tape. Actually he's got
on like of me, like yelling at Jason Whitlock. I
think it was at the MGM.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Grand I did not see him say this because I
have never consumed any of his content. I know people
don't believe that because I obviously have heard this because
his legion of inceels he has like fans. I guess
he does, because they're in my comments. All these non
pussy getting losers, yeah, are instead of out talking to

(59:51):
human beings, are in the comments talking about snack related insults.
So I haven't seen it, but I've heard obviously of
peanut Butter Tupac, and I think it's actually it might
be his best work ever, considering that his career wise.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Career wise, Yeah, he's like if.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Uncle Ruckus and Jaba the Hut had an illegitimate child.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
That's fucking heat right there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
You only ate like cheese puffs and asparagus every day.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I gotta play you something. I have an Uncle Ruckus
radio drop. My friend his sister wrote on that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
What what that show would do if it was on? Now?
Heat right?

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
Heat, bring that back?

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
It's so first of all, it's it would I don't
even know what they would do because it is so crazy,
but is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
This my uncle damn America that he had Uncle Ruckush
no relation And even though he dresses and sound like
a dokey, you are listening to the greatest white man.
Oh lord, a smell like financial polish and Lemon's ass.
God bless his white skin. It'sleg caw.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Yo. When I got that ship, I was like, our kid,
never play it on the radio though, because it's like,
you know, you got.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
To kind of understand the cor Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
So it's like if you're just like some mom in
the car with their kids, they're like, what the fuck
is going.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
On his skinnest nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
We got to bring back the Boondocks.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
God, we need that show. We need it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
I just was watching with my son, who's eleven, so
probably not the most appropriate watch, but we always tell
him it looks like, right, he looks like Riley, So
we're always telling him like, I'm like, you look like
this kid on this boon dock. So I threw on
an episode while eating dinner, and it was the Usher
episode where the Usher takes Tom's wife, you know what
I'm saying. And then and then a pit named slick
Back has to like talk him into slapping his girl

(01:01:46):
and he's like, no, no, now, slap the bitch, Tom.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
That show's insane.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
He said, I know where oh my bitch is at? Tom?

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
What is it? What does he say?

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
All I'm saying is Ronald Reagan is the Devil?

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Yeah, such a good show, all right, So obviously two
personal comes out. Is it Thursdays?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Yeah, Thursdays to personal too? Personal show on social media,
subscribe on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
And you have you've already started to work out the
next thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Yeah. Yeah, I'll have an announcement soon. But I'm not,
uh not out of the sports space. I'm just taking
my time and honestly, guys, I you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Take some time to yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
I've been doing this a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
I'm like, it's nice to kind of like watch games
and not like immediately start working on for the next day.
And it's been nice to be able to travel a
little bit, like spend real time with my family. My
whole family's on the East Coast, so it's been cool
to like chill with my mom, right, you know, shit
like that, just shit, I haven't been able to do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
It's a full time, five day a week.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Yeah, I've been doing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Five days a week for nine years.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
I mean before that, you're doing more.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
And yeah, before that, I was doing five days a week,
so and not like the digital five days a week
like in person in study.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Yeah, I do think people understand when you do a
radio show at a radio station, you're in that motherfucker.
Like it ain't like you could just pre record it
and like, but I mean, I mean I do that
every day now, but.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Well, but that's a different that's a different thing. Yeah,
like when you're doing a live show and you're in studio,
you're in fucking studio.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
But especially like sports talk.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Yeah, a blessing, it was. It was an incredible chapter
in my career. Most of my thirties I spent in
that building. So it's just you know, it's just a
transitional time for me, and I'm I'm grateful for it. Actually,
Like I'm learning a lot of things about myself, a

(01:03:36):
lot of things in business. I've been able to like
take a deep breath, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Yeah, so you were you at the the eyl the
Investvest Yeah that looks super dope.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
They do such a great job with that. You know
what I love about Investvest I feel very passionate about this,
and I've talked about this a lot on shows, especially
when I came to Nil, which was the panel that
I did at invest Fest this year. But you know,
I don't know how you grew up, but like I,
despite whatever human things, did not grow up with money,
and I have no financial education. And if you didn't

(01:04:10):
grow up with money, or you didn't grow up with
financial education, even if you grew up in a steady home,
if you don't understand money, if you don't understand credit,
if you don't understand real estate, if you don't understand
investments the stock market, you have to teach yourself all
that and like where do you go to get that information?
Like it's taken me a long time to learn all
that stuff. I'm still learning. So what I love about

(01:04:31):
investments and really what really what the EYL guys Rashaan
and Troy do is like make financial literacy accessible and digestible.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Yeah, and like you said, digestible.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
And it's so investments is just like a space. The
energy there is like everyone's there because they want to
learn something and just like better their lives. Right, Everyone's
not trying to be a billionaire like some people are
just trying to figure out how do I like properly
get investors to scale my business, how do I, I
you know, get use AI it's and make my business

(01:05:03):
run more efficiently, like just information. So it's cool because
you know, there's so much shit going on. Everyone's so
fucking mean yes and name calling, bullshit, fat fuck loser
in cells. Everything is just wow all the time. You
can't take tile and all women need to get back
in the fucking kitchen, every immigrant leave. Everything is just

(01:05:27):
like this constant bombardment of like shit. Ah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
So it's cool to just have a space.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Where I'm just like unu from the craziness.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Yeah, and like let's just let's talk about how to
make our lives better and like leave something for our
kids and create some generational wealth and be able to
keep our home and buy a new car like that.
I think is is like nice and I'm really just
proud of like what they built. It's a cool weekend now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
I think it's super dope. Well, listen, you are got
an announcement coming hopefully sooner than later. Yeah, as we wait,
as it as it builds up the anticipation to where
Joey Taylor is going to be next.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
You will like it. You will like the announcement.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Nice hm hm Would you be working with anybody used
to work with?

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Uh? Maybe maybe, I don't want to give too much away.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Feels like a Gil's Arena played to me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
I love you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Could be I don't know, but listen, appreciate you coming
through Joy. Uh go watch her podcast every Thursday, yes, noon.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Noon on Thursday noon noon Eastern on Thursdays.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
You gonna pull up to the podcast please?

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Where you're filming out here obviously?

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Yeah, I'm in Let's go there. It is Joy Fire

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
H