#595 - Havoc & Alchemist talk New Mobb Deep Album 🔥 Prodigy’s Legacy, Early Days, Clipse, Kanye & More

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We got two legends, two living legends. Man uh Havoc,
one half of Mob Deep, and my brother al Alchemist.

(02:15):
Welcome to the podcast, ladies and gentlemen, Thank you good looking.
It is an honor to have both of you here.
Me and Alchemist have been talking about doing a podcast
for it feels like the better part of the last
decade in my life is overdue, very much overdue. Have Man,
it is nice to meet you, bro. You're You're I'm
a fucking Mob Deep stand so.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Can you tell me, man, this new album. I got
to listen to it and it's it's kind of like
it was very much like it felt like y'all just
recorded this shit. And while listening to the album, I
got I got like a literal emotional because I was like, damn,
like this is this is probably the last of the records, right, Like.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
I mean, for me, I would say yeah, because you
know what I'm saying. But Prodigy has he recorded a lot, recorded.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
A lot, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
But you know, for you, man, what was the like emotionally,
what was it like crafting this album? Because it does
like I said, it sounds so cohesive. It sounds like
everything was cut like you know, it's such a great project.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Man.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
What was it like for you just emotionally just going
back to mob deep mode without he being here.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, for me, it was a bittersweet, you know what
I mean. It was like it was something that I
wanted to do for a long time, you know what
I mean. But yeah, you gotta let the grieving part breathe, right,
But then at some point it's like you want to
do something to you know, send your comrade off, like
with twenty one gun salute, you know what I mean,

(03:48):
with a project, you know what I mean, because he deserves.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
That, you understand what I'm saying. So it was a
bittersweet because these moments in.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
The album where I'm hearing him say things that are
like Primini you know what I'm saying, And it's.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Like, shit, fucked me up, you know what i mean.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
And I'm sure it wasn't planned that way, but that's
how it felt, and it kind of evoked those emotions.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Out of me. What about for you, Al, because I
know you and p were so locked in. Yeah, you
know some I think some of his best workers, your
guys's two projects together. But like, what was that like
going back in that place I'm sure getting those vocals
pulled up, like like being a part of the creation.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Of this and shit was like watching your life flash
in front of your eyes.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
You know.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
It was like spiritual, you know, because you know, like
my most pride possession is like sometimes I think, you know,
if the house, the studio burns on fire, like what
do you I grabbed the hard drives and the footage
because we filmed a lot and it's like, you know,
he was like a prophet and we knew that when
he was here too. We used to call him science

(04:51):
like he was so ahead on so many things. And
when we go back and listen to these records and
like look at the footage, it's just like it reaffirms it.
Like we knew when he was here, but now when
you look at it and you hear it, you're like
you realize his value and like what's missing, you know
what I'm saying, Like the void of peep, his the
way he thought, his spirit, his mentality, that's what made mobdy,

(05:13):
you know what I'm saying, Like, and it's like going
back and us all getting back together. That's to me,
on a person, on a spiritual level, it means everything
because I wouldn't be Nobody would know me if it
wasn't one hundred percent man, So you know that's everything
for me, one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
You guys getting together and crafting thiss like, hey, we
got some vocals here, maybe they don't fit on the beat.
They were cut, Like, can you kind of walk me
through what that's like, because you always hear like when
you have to put together in an album when someone's
not there, it's very much like it's got to be
a cohesive process between y'all, but it also has to
be like y'all got to make sure it feels good,

(05:51):
like what was that? What you guys are getting verses
from different places, different hard drives coming together? Are the
song ideas? Are you pretty much taking what he's talking
about and rolling with that. I think of a record
like taj Mahal, Yeah, that's like a storytelling record.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Right, Yeah, I mean, you know Al was in possession
of that. He had that.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
But as I was watching Ol, you know, fuck around
with prodigies vocals. He made this shit look so easy,
you understand what I'm saying. But at the same time,
I saw him doing surgery, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
So I was coming.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
With with what I was doing, you know what I'm
saying with some of these vocals, But watching Al, like
the surgery that he was doing, it was like it's magic.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Noah for sure for you, Like I'm sure, Al, you
probably have insane amount because you were really Like I
feel like when it came to U and P, that
was like we had a lot, You had a lot.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah, still do, but yeah, I mean endless,
endless amounts of stuff. And you know when it came
time to make the record, I mean, you know, we
decided we were going to make a new Mob Deep record,
and we all came together and it was like when
it was trying to make records, obviously what P has
laid down is what we had to work with.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
So he was really the leader of this album. The
more I think about.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
It, because it was like we had to sit and
listen to what he was talking about, which would make
sense honestly, and then.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
We would sit and have you know, this dude is
a wizard with it.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
So it was like in two seconds we would sit
with it and be like I and he would compliment it.
Or it was some records that they already had recorded,
so I think it's a mixture of stuff, but I
feel like everything has never been released and it feels
so fresh.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
It feels cohesive too, which is really hard to do.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
I mean, we've rocked on so many you know, so
many campaigns that it was like and every time I
knew my role was to accent you know what I mean,
because have is the sound of mob deep iced to
sit and listening to and making beats in the studio
and just be mind blown, Like I learned a lot
of drum patterns and like we would super inspire each other,
you know what I mean. So it was like my

(07:52):
role every time, even from the Chris Lightly Days Rest
in Peace, he used to be like Havels doing the record,
bringing al a couple joints, maybe get one or two
more beats from someone else.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
But that was really the formula.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
So when it came down to do this, we stuck
to the formula, like have you making the bones and
meat and potatoes. I'll bring a couple of spices and
then our minds together working on the record was what
I think made it cohesive.

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you've seen this guy since he was a nobody, and
now he's one of the most prolific hip hop producers
of all time. I just had this conversation. I think

(10:00):
he's this is just my personal opinion, my personal I
don't even think it's an argument that he's a top
five producer of all time at this point, right, I
feel like we're in the middle of one of the
most legendary runs we've ever seen a producer beyond twenty
twenty five alone put it in the rafters, right, But
what is it like seeing this guy just turn into

(10:22):
the alchemist?

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Okay? So I called Alchemists a couple of days ago.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
I spoke to him on the phone and I'm like, Yo,
do you realize like what you're doing, Like do you
feel it? Because sometimes when you're doing something you don't
really you in it.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
You live in it, so you know, you know what
I mean, You're like, oh, okay, whatever, you know what
I mean. He acknowledges that, but I acknowledge it as well.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
But to see it from to go from a guy
that I just met living in Soulho with a drum
machine in his crib, just banging out these dope ass
beats to now being at the forefront of a lot
of dope project it's just coming out and his name
just being like Alchemist, Alchemist, Alchemists, like he's like the

(11:05):
go to guy, like people that he probably don't even
speak to, is like leaving bread crumb tails like I
would have worked with Alba.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
To see that.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
It's like, it's just like it was like me watching Prodigy,
you know what I'm saying, Like transform from Juvenile Hell
to the infamous album. You know what I'm saying, It's
like watching you know, out from you know, late nineties
to now. It's like if I wasn't close to it,
I wouldn't even fucking believe it. I'd be like, oh shit,
But I seeing him work, so you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
You know what I appreciate too. I was like right now,
like I feel like you could track your entire career
and like, sonically, obviously there's alchemists like signature shit, but
I feel like sonically you're you, Like you continue to
just evolve, Like like I feel like first Infantry don't
sound like anything that's come out this year production wise,

(11:59):
Like it's like a crazy journey with music. Have thos.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
It's like you're always kind of trying to like we
do this for ourselves first. I'll say, like, I know,
I have to say the same thing, like we love it,
you know, like like if I make a good beat
and I'm excited, I might just text it to him
or send him a clip of it while I'm making it. Right,
we do this because we love it, you know. And
I think that's the thing that always been for me,

(12:26):
Like I need to stimulate myself first, right, So as
you're creating over the years, certain things you move on
and it maybe I could even recognize that it was
a style at a certain time that might.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Have peaked, so to speak.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
But it's like as artists, we always find different things
that's gonna inspire us. So I'm always trying to like
add another tool on my belt, you know what I'm saying, Like, Okay,
I'm paying attention to more sonics now, or I'm adding
this or that or whatever it is that makes you
continue the journey of what we're doing. And I feel like,

(12:59):
I know personal, like I could hook up a beat
better than I could in the late nineties. All the
beats I'm doing now better or worse is for everyone
else to decide, But I know confidently I'm going in
the path for I'm still having fun with it and
I feel like I could get better still because it's
you know, you want to I feel like doing this
forever and then dying, it's better than going like this

(13:20):
and then follow Yeah, I think we could just keep
rising forever. I might be out of my mind, but
that's just where I'm at with it. So you know,
it's a blessing. And you know, first of all, like
for him to say those good things about me that
that means everything to me, or Premiere or the people
I love you about to go on to premiere like

(13:40):
this guy's fucking tours right now. But just to get
to get the love from the people who you respect,
it means everything. And you know, like like I said,
I could, I owe so much to have and the
mom so now that in the midst of all of this,
what better could I do than to take all the
light and be like Mob Deep, the best rap group
of all time. This is why y'all know me and

(14:01):
really like stamp the world with the project we got right.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Now, for for us, for the legacy, for p for
the world. Really have you have dibbled and dabbled in
like collab projects with other artists, Yeah, I'm curious, Like
I would love to see like you go on to
run where you're just locking in full albums with just
I feel like kind of you know, get the.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
Owl sauce a little and just go crazy do the
vinyl shit like because like for people who don't know
like you're I mean outside of what you've done from
All Deep, like you did Jada Kisses, why, I mean,
so many fucking classic records shit on the.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Games album, I mean Kanye like yeah, but are you
like it? Like do you feel like that's something that
you would want to do absolutely.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
You know what I mean that as a producer that
you know you would love to lock in with different artists,
you know, watching al you know what I'm saying, just
take it to.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
The next level.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Of course, is one of those things you like, oh shit,
like let me lock in with a few artists or
whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
But I'm so much of a like a.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Beat order that you know, you know what I mean,
I gotta stap out of it, like you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
To be like letting things go many yeah, you know, because.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
They about babies, but you know, it's trying to let
them grow some wings.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
One hundred percent. You mentioned Juvenile Hell a little bit earlier.
I think a lot of people always maybe associate The
Infamous as your first album, but it was jun Hell.
Can you kind of walk me through what it was
like putting out that first album. It's obviously an underappreciated album,
the crazy iconic album cover, and then kind of transitioning

(15:42):
from that to in my opinion, one of the greatest
hip hop albums of all time, you know, and and
the growth that was about two year process, right, the
growth between those two albums is insane.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, because you got to grow up fast and when
you fucking with this industry, you know what I mean,
It's like boom, we made the Juvenile.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Hell, we was young.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
I wasn't fully into my production bag, but you know
I tried on a couple of tracks, you know, stomp them, mouth,
hold on the floord, hit from the Back. It's like
that is the like you know, intro to the Mob
Deep infamous album, if you will, you know what I'm saying,
that's like insight into it, like what would be to come?
Like right, nervous a little bit whatever, get to Loud Records.

(16:26):
Steve Rifkin, he said, Yo, do whatever the fuck you
want to do. That's even more nervous, Like you.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Know what I mean, no direction you want saying, do
whatever you want.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
It's like you're begging to do another album, right, Okay,
do what you want.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
So we want to hear It's like okay, now it's
like you get what you want, and it's like what
do you do? What do you do? And what do
you do?

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Is you kind of like tune out, you tune out,
you make the album, but you definitely do have other
material out there that set the ball, and that.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Would be illmatic. So it's like and then Wu Tang Clan.
So you like you look at.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
The fantastic chambers. Yeah, what a climate? What a climate?

Speaker 2 (17:15):
And that's even scarier, Like you know what I say,
It just keeps getting scary about a minute, you know
what I mean? But hey, when you're young, you have
that invincible gene and you're gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
What were the bones that were kind of set, Like
the first couple of joints that you guys worked on
for Infamous where you were like, Okay, this is this
is kind of what we're on right now.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Like I would have to say Shook Ones and Trife
Life Fire.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
So those like Shook Ones was early in the recording.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Process, was like one of the first ones. Ye was
that the demo that was just a demo that was.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
On you ever heard that one? I heard?

Speaker 4 (17:55):
That's when you could really hear what was about to happen,
Like I feel when you hear that, it's like that
was that was the era of the filter.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
So you guys get that, you guys figure that out
and you're like okay, because I feel like you know,
a song like Shook Ones is obviously you're I mean,
it's it's one of the most iconic songs ever.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
And then when we think about like, I don't know
if anyone's rapped over another, Like when it comes to
people who like freestyle over records, it's probably shook Ones
and who shot you like in terms of you know,
the go to like throwing a beat let's rap, but
that beat man is so sinister, it's so like, did
you have any idea, like when you first cooked that

(18:37):
up and you playing for p what's his reaction? Because
that is one of those.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
That's what you know, this is the story out there.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
But they like, oh, we had to stop them from
it racing the track because I probably would have just
turned it off.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Nobody was there. They came up stairs and he's like,
what's this. I was like, oh, you know, some track
got made. I'm about to you know, resett because you know,
because you were fucking with it.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
You didn't love it while you were making it here.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Because you know, the confidence level wasn't it you know
what I mean?

Speaker 3 (19:04):
And you know, but that was the time when when
the crew came around and said, oh yo, this is
dope when a crew was an element to your tracks,
but unseen right because they did they.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Drinking forties and you around that that that vibe is there,
but you know it was it was dope. Like they
came in the room, Prodigy came like, nah, no, keep
that track.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
And when the beats on and he's in the booth,
is the first thing he because I'm sure he's fucking
around it is the first thing he says as to
all the kills on one hundred dollars bills? Is that
like the first right? Like the ad libs, the ad libs.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah, And he didn't plan it, he didn't write it down.
I'm sure it just popped in his head right then
and there, you know, like and that's who he was
like like you know what I mean, just coming up
with just you know, ad libs, just this out of this.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
World for you man. Did you guys understand like how
big of a deal it was, because you said we
were talking about climate right and at that time, Purple
Tape Illmatic Wu Tang. But I feel like I for
an Eye is like one of those records that is
like just such a time piece to an era, and

(20:12):
it kind of is like you know, you could go
back and there was a lot of posse cuts back then,
but you know, some of them are like hitting miss
Like to me, this was like a record where you
got like four of the greatest of all time, like
at their peak and like delivering at their peak. It's
kind of like the seventy two and ten Chicago Bulls season, right,

(20:34):
Like who got on the record first? Was it Ray?
Was it Nas?

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Like, oh, it was actually it was Prodigy, Well obviously
because he set it off with the chorus. Yeah, I
mean he already had did the chorus before Ray and
Nas even got to the studio, so I think they
was familiar with the chorus and everything like that. And
they came in and I could tell by the way

(20:57):
they was looking and by the way.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
They was pete in the chorus that this ship must
be fire.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
So they came into the three together.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Ry and Nas yeah, came in like what's that night?
Like you know, at the time, it's.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Like you can't really believe you got Nas in the
fucking studio, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (21:14):
And then let alone Ray Kwan from like you know.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
I mean at the time, like you said, you guys
are coming off with juvenile. Hell, the infamous isn't made yet.
The fact you guys got those guys there, that's a
big deal for you.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
That's how powerful Shook Ones was, right right, That's how
powerful that song was.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Like, so the record was out while you were finishing, Yes.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
So that record heat heating up the streets.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, because it came out in ninety four. So Shook
Ones made them go, oh shit.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Let's go see what I have got over there? What
else you got?

Speaker 2 (21:44):
You know what I'm saying. So I got lucky, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
So you know what I mean, they had they because
you know, those guys don't fucking rap with just anybody,
you know what I mean, even if you're from their neighborhood,
it don't matter, Like they're not going to do a
song with you.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
So the fact that they did, you know what I mean,
just was the testament.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
I think my favorite beat on the album is give
up the Goods.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Those drums are too crazy too, right, Yeah, he's a
fucking drum master, Jesus man.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
I learned from him. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
That fucked all of us up back then, just trying
to figure out how he was programming those drums even
in programming on one Love.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
I think that was I think this was a DMX
freestyle or something over give up the goods? Am I tripping?
I think I think I think there was something with
DMX over because's when I first heard the beating and
I went back when I was like, do you understand
I was born in eighty seven, so this I eighty seven?
Young man? He's a young man.

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to the podcast. Do you do you feel like infamous

(23:57):
comes out? I mean, did you guys immediately feel like cemented,
like or was that something that came with time, like,
because I feel like, you know, I feel like even
when we think about Illmatic, like ill Maadic, as big
as it was, was like kind of underground, like it
wasn't like the biggest commercial success at the time, like
I think it just went platinum, which is crazy, Like recently,

(24:21):
I didn't realize that.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
Now when you look back, you realize, oh, it wasn't
a super commercial smash, but.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
For y'all, like and by the way, shout out to
riff Kid because like Loud have just had just the
craziest roster of rappers of all time. I think. So
it was just and it was all dope shit. But
like like like you guys make the infamous. It's a
classic four and a half mics and a source should
have been five, but there were some amazing albums. Ago

(24:49):
four and a half. Is the pressure on for Hell
on Earth?

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Hell? Fucking yeah. The press was super orange. It was
it was it was on because I was like, I'm
definitely nothing making as good as.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, Like, how do we follow this ship up a
year later?

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Fuck? It just make it more grimy? Yeah, just get
more darka more grimy.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Because you definitely definitely was a darker and grimier album
for sure.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Those Beach on Hell and.

Speaker 6 (25:18):
If you go back to him right now or like
Insane even up Fast, Yeah, you were on I don't
know what you were on at that time. It's like, okay,
just go Darka.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I always wondered because I talked to Steve about this.
He said that because he was typed with Tupac. He said,
Tupac came up to him at some party in La.
It's backed him in the back of the head and
he's like, yo, were good, And he was like, yeah, yeah,
it's good. The little kids from Queens, It's all good.
It's a rap shit what y'all did. Obviously, you know,
I think Drop a Gem on Him is one of
the more slept on records, not even in terms of

(25:56):
like it being like a quote unquote like a part
of a beef history, but just as a joint like
track number two, that's a strong track number two. Were
you guys at all, because back then, I feel like
in the nineties we didn't have Instagram, we didn't have
any of this shit. Were you, like, was anybody hesitant
about the Tupac line being on the album? Or were

(26:16):
you guys like fuck it, let it fly? No?

Speaker 3 (26:18):
No, I mean, look, man, we're from Queensbvigas. We ain't
give a fuck, we care. We was just like we
hit for the smoke, you know what I'm saying, Like,
you know what I'm saying, but.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
We was ready for it. We was ready for war
because he came at us.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah, he came at us, So we was like no,
I mean this hip hop is hip hop for sure.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
It's kind of crazy too because if you think back
like that era, I always think, what would it be
like if we had the Tupac East Coast Beef in
twenty twenty five with Instagram? It probably wouldn't be that
many records getting made. It would be like It's like
like I just saw, Yeah, I just saw a couple
of artists like going back and forth on Twitter, and

(27:00):
it was just like Jesus, like, can't y'all make some joints?
This album man infinite?

Speaker 2 (27:08):
For you? What was you know?

Speaker 1 (27:11):
What was the record that you I want to eat
you guys to answer this, but just the record that
each of you felt like felt the best in terms
of like this is because I know some like you
guys had to put some stuff together. Were there a
lot of joints that you guys had already started working
on before he passed or I.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Don't remember working on any joints before he passed, But.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Like, what's you join when you finished it? Where you
got were you like, yeah, this is this feels good man,
And it's a whole album of those.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
By the way, man, I'm like tos mah I was
gonna say to Mahall. When he sent me that, he
sounded excited, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
He was like, Yo, and it's a time because I
don't think that tos Ma Hall exists anymore, right, didn't
they knock that motherfucker down?

Speaker 7 (27:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (28:00):
I agree. The Talks Hall record is crazy.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
So yeah, when he sent me that, and he sent it,
he was like, yo, you know, drop a verse to
this shit, Like I kind of was stuck, like but
I knew that I had to.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Really rise to the occasion, you know what I mean.
It's like the fuck, this is what we do. And
I finished it.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
We added he added the finish and touches it to it.
So when I listened to it, and I was like, damn,
this is crazy, Like you know, like I could listen
to it a hundred times streak.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
To be honest with you, it's my favorite.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Like when I leave here, I'm going the car and
I'm really literally just one hundred times streak.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
What about you?

Speaker 4 (28:38):
And for me, it was against the world that one
really hit me like because we made that late. He
made that late in the making of the record. He
sent it to me and it blew my mind because
it just gave me that feeling. I definitely got emotional
when I heard it, just what he's talking about and
his spirit, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
It was in it, like damn.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
It reminded me of the tours we used to do,
and it was just like, why you know, I wanted
to close the album out with that.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
That was my idea. It was like, if we could
hold this ace in the hole and make it the
last song. But it was so good.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
I felt like that feeling was the first thing people
needed to hear in my opinion, because it just like
it gave you that feeling of like.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Health, wealth, happiness. It's that feeling that you know.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
He had a lot of different bags he went into,
but this was like the one that made all of
us feel like we were down with the illest crew
in the world, everybody, all the whole crew. That's what
mab Deep always did. Made us feel like we are
affiliated with the best shit. He used to always like say,
like our throwaways better than people's you know shit. They

(29:43):
worked the hard he was like super confident in that record.
It just it hit me where I was like, wow,
this that beat was just like perfect.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
It was like wow, I was wondering for you out
because I think of like Return of the Mac and
Albert Einstein is like two real high points and prodigyce
careers at MC. Because I feel like, I want to say,
didn't Albert Einstein come out the same day as Jesus
mac Miller and J Cole You would have a better
memory for this. So Jesus mac Miller watching a movie

(30:12):
with the sound with the sound off and H Warren
Center by J. Cole and Albert Einstein came out on
the same day about all four of them on History
History crazy crazy day. But for you, man, like those
are I feel like in terms of like his solo
shit obviously H and I Sees amazing, as I mean,

(30:32):
I mean shit H and I See is a classic too,
But like those are two very underrated projects. Like which
one of those two projects do you like revisit the most?
Which between Albert Einstein and Return of the Mac.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
I mean Return to the Mac was the first time
that somebody really like we were like at that point,
it was about ninety percent like me, and if he
were hanging around, he was coming buy the crib a lot.
And at that point, when I say ninety percent ninety
percent of the beats, if I was like I got
an idea or I got a beat, he was like yeah,
in ten percent.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Of the time he might be like, I don't know,
let's find something else.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
And when we started working on that, he kind of
like just was that was the first time somebody kind
of just trusted me to put together. I feel like
that was the first record that started to run them on.
Now and some might say COVID Coop Currency because it
was around the same time, but oh yeah, that Turn
of the Mac was the one that I feel like
allowed me to like put a record together when he
came with the concept and I was like, all right,

(31:25):
we're going to do more black sportations like.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, yeap.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
That was the first time me and Freddie but yeah,
I mean, and of course Albert Einstein was was a blessing.
I just feel lucky to be able to have mane
these records with pe with mob Deep, like again, this
is anybody who messes with me, like you know, nowadays,
I have fans who know me from earl or. And
it's crazy because once they get, if they start, once
they find like the mob, that's the root of the tree.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
You know what I mean? When you heard keep it Thorough?
Were you jealous that you didn't make that beat? Of
course that's one of the course I'm not gonna my favorite. Ever.
That beat is fucking ridiculous. I'm like, yo, who the
fuck is this guy?

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Like?

Speaker 3 (32:12):
How was he making such good beats? Like you know
what I'm saying, Like the ship was fire. I remember
going to the video shoot what I'm saying and.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Meeting Ice team coming around and all of this crow
I went with you me and you pulled up.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
We saw Ice t the gas at the car walk, yes, yes, yes,
and and.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Ice team pulled up. It was crazy. It was such
a beautiful fucking time. And the beat the answer your
cousin fu Oh god, that crazy that it is fine.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
I can say that about every guy damn beat, you know,
but I think Burner is one and I was always
you know, that was made from nothing, you know. That's
why I say have he's the master of making something
at when you say that for people who don't know
what do you mean by it was made he made.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
It a thin air. There was no no sample.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
It's him on the pads going like and then the
baseline and like. That might be one of the obviously
one of the.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Greatest beast one of the greatest mixes too, like everything
is this, by the way, such a such an amazing
infamy is such a great fucking project because it had
some real good commercial ship on that A one twelve
record was Dope Boom Boom Bump.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
I love that one album.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
I love the Man.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
I really did love that album.

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(34:36):
Do you feel like, uh, do you feel like the
jay Z thing like lit? Y'all's like asses on fire
a little bit in terms of, like it's a thing
we got we gotta really like, you know, I feel
like competition, like like you know, steel sharp and steel.
So I can only imagine yeah, because I feel like
Infamy was probably the first album that came out after
Blueprint dropped and all the summer jam shit. Yeah, did

(35:00):
y'all feel like? I can only assume the flame was
lit in terms of like, yeah, we gotta we gotta
show up in now.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
We definitely got to show up. But I just was
sticking to the script, like I wasn't letting anything. I
wasn't letting that jay Z should get in my head, right,
you know. For me, I didn't let it get in
my head. I just was like I knew the mission,
you know what I mean, So I just kind of
stay focused a bit, you know, because if I would
have let it get to me, I think I would
have stumbled, and you know, fumbled. But I think that

(35:29):
was a solid project, the Infamy album. You know, we
got some Icley brother shit.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
On there, you know what I mean. It was crazy,
you know, Scott's thoughts just coming in the fucking studio.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
That was like a great mixture of like you guys,
like going a little commercial with some of the radio records,
but also not deviating from the sound.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, we couldn't.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
We couldn't really deviate because you know, our fans would
have killed us, you know what I mean, So we couldn't.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Really travel too far fact.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
And then we came back with America's Nightmare, Don't forget,
speaking of some of the best spats ever.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
I felt like we were really in our bag on
that one, like it connected America's Nightmary was like, Okay,
that's when we had what got It Twisted?

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yep, Win Lose, Lose and got It Jado. Yeah, they
had bangers on there. Man, what was the Kanye one
on there? Then it was slept on Slept we had.
That was a great record, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:25):
That ship was crazy? Yeah? How was that like for you?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Like?

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Uh at that point that had been the most production
you had handled.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
On a I do remember official I was trying to
stash Winter Lose. I remember that I had it because
I got I got them on it separately and they
were finishing the record. That was the record we did
in my crib because we do a lot of stuff,
but I had that one and they forgot about it.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
So I was like, okay, perfect, I'm gonna put Jada
Kissing the House on this and yeah, and then having
p K to my crib right around the end of
the ape, he was.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Like, what's that joint we got in the computer again?

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I was like, oh, yeah, I got it. I couldn't
stash it, but I tried. But that was Winter Lose
is still one of my favorites.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
And and that's when in my mind, and to me
at least, and I'm showing Pea's mind. That's when I
was becoming like I would go to guy well he
trusted them with singles.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
When you hear that was on there to yeah, well
I got it. I feel like got it twisted Like
it was a pretty big record too, Like I remember
hearing that show on the radio and Phoenix.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
And Ship like that was the video.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
It was like I was inspired by it was the
remix twisted, yeah, because you know the twist got a
twisted twisted.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
But I was inspired by Quiet Storm with that beat
because I remember the day we made it. They were
both at the crib and we were going science because
that was Ni goes. Why you keep saying that, I'm like,
you don't remember that.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Old record was crazy.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
We went and got the record and I tried to
chop it up, but the rhythm of it was like
a weird bounce.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
So that's when we had to try the.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Trinity.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
So I had to rack man Trinity and I just
wade demoed it out and and did the drums simple
he laid the song. I remember, I was like, I
like it, but we may have like finessa drums, like
do more to the drums, And the next day he
called me, was like, nah, it's good.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
It's just like that ship.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
It was crazy. You know what song I didn't mind
was the Little John record wasn't bad on was.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Felt like we was reaching.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Kid. It was still hard. It was hard, bro right
right shot John Man? Yo, yeah, little you know what's
crazy is like when you go. I was just I
just was a little with Little John on Arizona and
I was like, dog, this motherfucker has a record on
one of his albums called the Grand Finale and it's
got like ice cube nas all. It's crazy, like shouts

(38:45):
a Little John. What an era? Legend? Don't legends? So
you guys kind of get into this free agency era
where you guys dropped free agents and I think that
was was that on which one of the random indies
at that time did that speed I'm gonna say cotch,
but sounds.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
About they had their fingerprints on it.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
That was right before America's Nightmare. That was in between
for me and America's Nightmare. It was free agents for
a minute and it was just free agency.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
No, that was no, that was before blood money.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
That was before blood money. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Remember we had the meetings and they wanted to use
backwards because it was already out.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
I think it was before the Job album, because remember.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
We heard that it was it was before before, it
was before and then.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
We did the deal with Yeah. But but because we
were you know, free agency, and some of the music
on that tape was insane. That that tab is speeding
on one of the dopes st Beach I ever, I
think put them in their places, very under the place.
It's such a crazy beat. Yeah, that ship was insane
when you guys, was there ever any like because you know,

(39:54):
you guys are come over to g Unit and I
remember like the campaign of like Mob Deep and m
O P joining. It was almost like when Katie went
to the Warriors, you know what I'm saying. But what
was like, like, like, what was the initial conbos with
fifty And was there ever any reservation about making that
move because at the time the GUNI shit's the hottest

(40:15):
shit on the on the planet. But y'all are still
fucking you know what I mean? Like right, Nah, it
wasn't no reservation for me.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
I was like, because I fucked with fifty and before
that even happened, I had did some solo records with fifty,
you know, bumped.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Out and you had a lot of production with fifty.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Yeah, so you know what I mean, I, you know,
had some work with him, so I didn't have no reservations.
When fifty gay the call, you know, the one to
fuck with us and have us to go to g UNIT,
I was all for it.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Yeah. Do you feel like, uh, because at that that's
kind of like an interesting g UNIT era? Right. It
was because it's kind of like, uh, the game thing
had already kind of you know, falling out. Yeah, it
kind of felt like all the momentums. I got Mob Deep,
I got mop right, fifty movie drops. What was it
like kind of being around that era of g because

(41:08):
gud it, man, I don't think people understand like Dog
Motherfuckers was playing video games on Xbox wearing shoes Mark
Echo had a whole geu and it clothing that had
people were wearing that shit. Like, but you guys come
in and I think, I mean, I love the album
that you all dropped. I thought I thought that album
was dope, man. I thought Blood Money was super dope.
That Pearly Gates record was fucking crazy. With fifty, it

(41:29):
was super crazy record. But what was that like? Because
you know, I can only assume like going into that
situation probably, I mean, the buzz was insane, the eyes
on you guys are insane working on that album. What
was that process like and how did y'all feel like
like just kind of in that space, you.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Know, working on an album was fun.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
You know, Fifty would send us mad records, We'll do
the records. It was a little different than how we
did records before, you know what I mean, like with
me kind of like producing most of the records.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
I think you only had one beat on there, huh.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
I forgot it was the one with.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
The fifty the wild style joint Ship was like I
think that was like one of the best records on
for sure.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
I really liked that.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
I remember that like before right before he had hit
up the mall, we were kind of in between figuring
it out, like we always sit up and go it
was the next move. We were kind of one of
those phases. And it was like a week or two
of time where they got the call and it was
so crazy. Around that same time I got the call
from Paul to the m's DJ, and I swear it

(42:36):
was like a month's.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Time almost.

Speaker 7 (42:40):
From that sitting there we were on tour and I
would only see them every now and then because I
went and there were fifty and we were like that
earrow was insane, like taper hotels.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
We were staying. Fifty had like seventy five people on
tour with him, like just the crew. You know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
It was it was just a trip because it happened
so fast and we didn't see that coming, and it
was like we're still family.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
But now I'm seeing them just for a minute because
they got to go to the stage. So much excitement too,
because like I just ammember in my head thinking like Yo,
m OP and Mob Deep, what the fuck? Those shows
were nuts too? Man, them show? That show was crazy.
Did you ever talk about doing a fucking collab project?

Speaker 2 (43:24):
MP?

Speaker 1 (43:24):
And Mom d Yes, I don't know. That would have
been fucking nuts. I don't know. I guess that, but
the collap projects weren't really a thing like that back then.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
It wasn't. It wasn't, but we should have, you know
what I mean. MP is like one of my favorite groups.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
I wondered mine too, mine too, I wonder I always
see the clips giving it up to you as the
best hip hop Drew of all time. They're on the
new album and they're on this crazy run and obviously
I think, you know, pushing the Clips are in rare

(43:59):
form and rare when we talk about just hip hop history.
But I'm just curious for you, man, like how dope
is it to get them on a project with p
and at the same time, like, I'm just curious as
somebody who's a part of one of the greatest hip
hop dudes of all time? What are your thoughts just
on on what's going with the Clips right now? This
run they're on, this is the.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Type of shit that I love to see, you know
what I'm saying, Like I'm always rooting for you know
what I'm saying my colleagues, You know what i mean.
So to speak whatever, like the Clips, I'm a fan
of the Clips, you know what I'm saying. They when
they first came out up until now, super fan never
even looked at them as like competition, but just as
somebody that complimented the hip hop.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Game, you understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
So to see them getting the flowers that they getting
right now and to run this legendary run that they own,
because you know, hip hop is in a weird space right.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Now, you know what I'm saying. So for them to
come and bless us with that album, it's like it's
like a gift. So it's really dope to see. And
I didn't even know they was coming with a fucking
album by the time we had the feature from them,
So they didn't tell me. Really, they didn't tell me that.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
They just was like, I asked them to get on it,
and they before they said yes, they sent me back
the verses.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
So, so you had sent that before.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
I didn't even know they was coming with a phone.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
That's dope.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
I didn't know they was coming with it.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
They feel like a lot of people are tapping it
with the clips right now. I'm like, well, of course
you would, because they got the hottest hour of the year, right.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
But but I knew they was doing something special because
Pusher had hit me. He said, Yo, have I need
the reel for G O D Part three?

Speaker 1 (45:34):
And I was like, damn, Like it's a crazy request.
That's a wild request, yo, I'll tell you.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
He asked me for the real and I was like, damn,
I I could get my hands on it, said you
still have that, you know, Sony Sony is being you know,
they hogging.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
The real So did they did they want to do
something over that?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
That's what it sounded like.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
And I'm sure that they do have something in the
chamber that got something do a god that didn't end
up on the album, but.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
They got a surprise attack for everybody.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Did you ask them, like, yo, did you ever end up?

Speaker 2 (46:08):
I didn't ask some shit, damn. I just wanted to
be surprised like everybody else. I didn't ask no questions.
I just was looking for the real I.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Am curious, man, you know, I feel like was murder
music the five mic album? Am I tripping?

Speaker 2 (46:23):
I don't even know if we ever got five mics
at all?

Speaker 1 (46:26):
I feel like I don't know. I just remember every
time i'd opened the source. I remember when the Quiet Storm.
Remember they used to have the quote hip hop quotables,
and I remember P's verse for Quiet Storm was one
of the quotables. And that's how I like memorize the
fucking all of the lyrics, because I was able to
read it out of the source. But I'm curious. That's

(46:47):
obviously one of the most legendary remixes of all time.
It's now become like little Kim's become a meme because
of the dance she does before she does her verse
for Quiet Storm. I think that is up there for
one of the greatest Prodigy verses of all time on

(47:07):
that record. But when the remix happens, are y'all like like, like,
are you in the studio with Kim when she cuts that?
Like talk to me about that?

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Yeah, I remember walking into the studio and she was
there with her pad and the pad and I guess
she must have been finished with Diverse already, you know
what I mean, and she laid the verse. I was
on cloud fucking nine, she I mean, man, iconic.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah, it's like as amazing as that song was, Like
the remix just put it into this like right forever
sphere where always will be a thing, right. And you
didn't even have to change the beat, you know what
I mean, because back then a lot of remixes had
different beats, right.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
And we just kept the beat and let us sing
the chorus and are you a fly on the wall
at this point?

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Obviously you that session.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
I wasn't there, but I remember coming back the day
after and then like yeah, we put Kim on it.
I knew the record obviously, and it was like, oh
that that took it to the platinum. You know.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
That was next thing to a limb Biscuit. We were
doing thirty thousand people in arenas opening from limp Biscuit.
I wonder you making murder music? You had two beats
on murder music? Yeah, that was my entry basically, say
that had to be like you're graduating from high school, dog,
like you made it. You're kidding me.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
I still can't believe it to this day, Like you
know what I mean, how it all happened, because everything
happened from there. But I was so in the element,
like when because at first when I was coming over there,
like you know, I first linked up with Godfather, Nitty
and Twin and Gotti, and then they were telling me,
you know, you gotta mering, you know, just the mob,
you know. So they would bring me over to the studio,
but like Ha would be there one day, or Pete

(48:47):
would be there, and I had this one dat and
kept playing them joints and they kept they both liked
the same beat, which was the realist coolie rap it was.
And then I'll never forget when the Dave Pete called
me said come to the studio with.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
That beat.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
I knew what be he was talking about. I showed
up and the cool g rapp was sitting there. Oh,
so you got to watch cologie rap rap on your.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
I witnessed that, and I didn't call I always tell people.
I didn't call my manager. I didn't call a lawyer,
I didn't nothing. I packed up my ASR ten and
the thing was like it's big of a worse of
a couch, you know what I'm saying. I packed it
up and brought it in there, told the engineer that beat,
plug it up, and I just sat back and I
watched history happen, and it was like, you know, when

(49:25):
you're doing it, you never know. I didn't know because
I was even insecure about the beat because it was
just a loop. It's not technically a fancy beat, but
look how it stood the test of time. And it
was like, I just feel like, sometimes you got to
get out of the way, you know. And I knew
somehow to get out of the way of like the
power of the gods of this music, to just get
out of the way and let the shit happen, and

(49:46):
it's not about your beat. It's not about if you
could hook a beat up better. And now I look back, like, damn,
look what that record did. Like that verse when he
went into booth, we were all rain melted.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
It's insane. He wrote it on the spot and that's
why he went first.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
It was crazy, rat Oh let me actually, Christ because
I always was wondering this because I was dead for
the such an either when p and g rap did
the chorus?

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Did they did? They write it together together? They wrote
it together?

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Crazy, They wrote it together. And I remember that you
came and you have rolled like you. I think you
had three or four verses. You were beating yourself up
because he knew he was there, brought it home.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
What you mean that was a classic? Was that?

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Was that something that would be common for you where
you would like come in and hear a song and
be like, fuck I got that was a hang with
That's all the time. That's about telling because the greatest
rounds of all time to it, you're like you're a legend.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
But when you fucking playing with Jordan's and fucking Scottie Pippen,
you know what I'm saying, Alchemist.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Like you know what I'm saying. It's like, who the
fucking like, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
But you have to rise to the occasion because you
know that you're part of a championship team.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Yeah, so, and that that's all I do. I feel
like you're like fucking filled. You're like Lebron dog you
could coach.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
And I've witnessed it and to have fast he does it,
the precision from doing something so long.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Have you ever seen how he writes? Seen his handwriting
it is that's why he's so great. It's like, how ridiculous.
Oh my god, you're one of those right right, But
it flows like calligraphy.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
You look at that ship like yo, he's just And
I've sat and watched him make a beat, picked a
pin up and just write it and relate the verse
in the chorus so many times that it was just
like I look, I learned how to make records like
watching having Pete do it like that, The precision of it,
of like not overthinking it, never seen him overthink the

(51:52):
moment and they did it.

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Speaker 3 (52:42):
But here's the thing being around, like somebody like ow
a new talent, right, you just come around and he
comes out of nowhere. I'm a student for life, so
you know, what I mean. I always whenever Al's doing something,
you can asks them. I'm asking them a million fucking
questions like how'd you do this?

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Did you have any idea when you guys first met
him that he used to rap or that he was old?

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Well, no, I didn't know that. No.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Did you keep that talk Trojan Horse? Yeah he kept
that dug.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
The Hooligans?

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah, yeah, that wasn't the agenda.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
I was. I should know if you like?

Speaker 1 (53:13):
And then at what points you guys, wait, you and
the conra I'm like James Conn's son and you have
had a rap group started doing songs. Me and Turn
started rapping. It became cool when they started wrapping. I'm
around you know, like you know what type of juice
I was around?

Speaker 5 (53:28):
You got?

Speaker 1 (53:28):
They were? They were in the California Jewish version of
My d.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
And the version of Right. Yeah, that was the poetical
prophets of h you know, the West Coast.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Oh my gosh, that ship's funny. Nineties early nineties, early
fucking Ninetieszy.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Crazy dude, what made you start making beat?

Speaker 4 (53:51):
I always wanted to the minute we got I got
I got the s R shout the DJ leeth he
took me the guitars and I.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Bought a I wanted to make.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
I wanted to I wanted the s P twelve though,
because mugs and everybody do you shout out to mugs?

Speaker 1 (54:00):
You know, they all use that.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
He was like, get this keyboard thing. It's like it's
different and I thought it was like wow, I thought
it was a piano. I'm like, I don't play keys.
He said, no, it's a sampler.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
And you were you were.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
EPs first, right, yes, yes, EPs plus same basically the
same mechanics for the ASR is like a new version
of the EPs.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
First Producer geek shit, like in twenty twenty five, what
is each of your guys is set up when it
comes to making it making a beat?

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Like?

Speaker 1 (54:28):
How do you for.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Minimal real minimum?

Speaker 6 (54:30):
Right?

Speaker 1 (54:30):
What are you using?

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Like? Okay, right now, I have an NPC six three thousand.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
I'm an MPC three thousand that I just bought that
I have not fucking cracked open yet, but it gives
me inspiration.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
But I am working on the Native Instruments machine and.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
The machine with all the buttons and ship.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Yeah, it's just a machine studio.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
It's like a I got one in the studio in
my studio there, it's just got it like that big
path with all the.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
It's like an NPC but virtual one. Now you could
use it with the computer.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Doesn't it plug in the what's it able to?

Speaker 2 (55:04):
You could put well, I don't know, isn't there something goes?

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Yeah yeah yeah, So and then that's me what software
using logic? Logic, logic, that's it. Sometimes I funk with
uh able to?

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Yeah, you know, are you like, uh still digging or
you know, because I know a lot of people like
me and I talked about this a little bit off
off Mike a few weeks ago, but just trying to
figure out how to do the do do the thing
that y'all do without having to do the samples, right me.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
Look, I'm I'm a sample guy for life. Fuck it,
you know what I mean. Like I you know, I
tried the no sample thing, but I fuck with samples.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
I mean it worked out with burn right, Yeah, with samples,
It's like I tried, what the fuck right?

Speaker 2 (55:58):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
It's just a guitar like, but I'm a sample guy.
You know, I just love samples. It just does something
to the.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Beat for me.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Yeah, what about you? What's the current setup? And like
just kind of like what you're what you're like, you know,
when you're at the studio or I mean, what, what's
what's software you on? Since a gong gong, some bonds,
eye trees, a fish tank, all those things.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
You got?

Speaker 1 (56:26):
What software do you use?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Though?

Speaker 4 (56:28):
I just use hardware. I just bang my head on
the fucking wall. I don't even use anything anymore.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
I don't even it doesn't really matter, really doesn't matter,
because really, if you could, if you're nice, because people
like to get caught up on equipment and all that.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
It's like, you can make anything sing, Like you can
figure out how to make your sound work. So I
don't like to put too much whatever, pick a machine
and just go crazy.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
You know what I learned though, over.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
The course of my productions in the switch of technology,
that it doesn't even matter what the fuck you're using.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
It's not the.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
Stuff is just you really well, you could buy a
thousand different kind of drum machines or software.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Is it don't fucking matter, It.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Don't Nas is kind of like an unofficial third member
of Mob Deep on this Album's on three records.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Yeah, man, I mean, who would have fucking thought I
would have got three verses from fucking incredible Esco.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
You know, I mean, you know, fuck, he just got
a casino. Mass appeals going crazy right right?

Speaker 3 (57:26):
The setup is crazy, right, Like he put out tarsible
whole and then he got a casino.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
He's sneaky, he's sneaky.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
He's a good one. That is wild more ways than one.
What the fuck word?

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Brilliant?

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Wow, that was brilliant.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
That was brilliant. Uh, how how do you deal with uh?
Right now? Out all of the You're currently on tour
with Freddy Yeah, you just got off tour with Erkabadou. Yes,
you have a tour coming up with DJ Premier overseas,
and I'm upset because I'm not on this tour mob
Deep and Rake one is really is.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Crazy that I'm pop up the ones that I can.
But there's just that's really criminal. But yeah, I mean
I didn't I need I think I need to get
a manager.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Man, you don't have a manager. See, this is what
happens when you manage yourself. You just start yourself and
have a team. Of course I have a team.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
I'm saying I didn't realize that I was biting off
this much, you know what I mean. And as far
as workload, like damn, you know, like I have a
friend Mike, you know, the artist Mike. Of course, in
January I saw his tour schedule. He had like sixty
dates and it gave me anxiety when I saw it.
As an artist, You're just like and now you got like.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
I ended up doing this same.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Take that back you have keep.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Blessing you know. Can you tell me you and Kanye
have a fucking thing going You guys have a great,
a great chemistry going all the way back to like
I mean, he was on your Guy. He's produced for y'all,
but obviously Life of Pablo even you were on the
Vulture ship. Yeah, explain like your guys dynamic and what
it's like to just kind of cause I think, you know, uh,

(59:11):
I think Kanye is one of the greatest of all time.
I mean, I understand people have their opinions about it,
but like, what's that chemistry like with Yah?

Speaker 2 (59:16):
I mean, you know, it's just like artist artists, right,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (59:21):
He asked me questions like, yo, who did I see
as like my competition back in the nineties and he's
he was really inquisitive, but just to see his work
ethic was crazy with something to see.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
I just think, you know, the chemistry is just normal,
regular cool shit. You know what I mean? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Did you cause you co produced Famous, which ends up
being being the very viral song at the time where
he talks about Taylor Swift right, lucky me, lucky me.
Where you heard it, like where you were like, oh shit,
this is about to go, this is about to be
something crazy.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
It just sounded like, you know, fuck mall did remember
when he just walked deep. It was like another one
of those moments like thank you yah, thanks yeah, thank yeah,
thank you thanks nah. Else it was dope.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
That's it was cool.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
You know what I'm saying, like, fuck it?

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Are you I keep hearing the fifties working on some
new ship or you happen to have any upcoming releases
with us, Curtis, let me get my you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Know, listen, Curtis, if you're listening, those tracks is coming away.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
They are coming away. I didn't even know he was
working on something new.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Yeah, I got hit. They were like, yeah, fifty dropping
a new record we want you to hear first. I
was like really, oh, ship.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
I mean, it's supposed to be like one of my
one of my most favorite mcs.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Some of the fifties best records produced by have fully
loaded my favorite fully loaded clip.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Oh man, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Yeah, we're like, you know, I missed the day by
the way, that's probably the best song on Curtis. I'm
grimy Curtis like low Ki like Curtis Queens, but I'm
saying Queens. I'm saying like Curtis, like I feel like
we forget there's some joints on Curtis.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I think he's straight straight, I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Mean for sure. So when is the tour with you
and Ray coming?

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
That tour is coming in November, like sometime November fifteenth, thirteenth,
that that's coming. Here's the thirtieth anniversary of the Cube
Link's infamous album.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Are you taking like annoying those guys on the road.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
With Younoy's coming? Noid to be there. Yeah, it's going
to be like, you know, really fun to do, you
know what I mean, because I've never been on the
road with Ray, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Hopefully we could get Alchemists to make a guest appearance
on a couple of days when he's available because I'm
really looking forward to performing against the world in taz
Mahall and a few other bangers that people haven't heard
yet off the new album. That's what even though I
know it's a thirtieth anniversary tour, but I'm really hyped

(01:01:58):
about performing some of the news.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Can you give me your if you could break down
the top five your personal top five rap groups of
all time. We won't go duos because the duo thing
just groups. H Wu Tang uh Duo's count as groups
just okay. I just don't want to limit you to
just do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Topical quests. Uh mob deep uh mmmm, let me see,
it's really tough. Who do I say?

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
So far? Wu Tang tribe mob tribe?

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Uh? I got two more? Uh fucking m O P
and uh uh I can't think of I mean, you
said out cast out there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
A lot of guys out there, what about you?

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
Al I'm gonna go the same first three, but I'm
gonna add E P M D and Gang Star Gang Star.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Off like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Moment of Truth is one of my It's like a
top probably seven to eight album of my life is
Moment of Truth. My starter catalog is insane. My goodness,
did you guys get in like I feel like at
the time you guys are coming up obviously Gang Stars
out before y'all, but you guys are making this high
level kind of like a similar dynamic except for Primo

(01:03:22):
didn't rap, but like you know, he's making the beats.
You're a producer, did you did you did my deepen
and Gangstar like inspire each other at all? Like, did
you guys ever talk?

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
I never I never felt like I could even get
on the level of Gangstar ever at all, you know
what I mean, Not to you know, down myself in
any way, but that's how great I looked at, you know,
Gangstar Guru.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
And because what a time to be alive in New
York City when Gangstar is active and my deep is
going fucking crazy? Crazy, man, it was a beautiful, beautiful
time like full Clip and Murder music out at the
same time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Crazy, That's what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
I mean, I felt around it was around the same time, right,
I mean when was a little bit before come on,
maybe a year before, but it was around the same
erad Come on, okay, so are you going to be
doing any more solo stuff after this? You got or
you're gonna be like, what what after this, after you're
done with the tour, Like what's next?

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Hmmm. So now, like like you said earlier, I'm just
like I think I got that, alc bug.

Speaker 4 (01:04:21):
I'm like, I'm looking, I've already I know you want
to get the words out of I'm about to say,
I'm letting down.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
The whole book is open, get the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Whole figured out, this entire thing like nobody else. It
is even be honor for me to pass any of this.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
My brother everything I got, he got, he's got my
playbook where you at gotta get.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Rid of I'm trying to think. I think it'd be crazy, man.
I don't know, man, I think you and Conway would
go crazy. I've worked over four juvenile set piece. Yeah,
it was like, I don't know, Maybe you can make
a list of people that if they get AVG is over. Already,

(01:05:05):
so much happening with you. When's the everb alb I'm
coming out. Oh it's not a date, but it's done.
I heard that there was a listening parties if people
know it exists, So.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
Yes, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
And then on tour, you were playing the album right
on tour We did a tour where we played.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
Eleven dates, but we did the thing where you got
to check in your phones and she was the comedy
is a genius, man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
She has the idea to like play that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
We played the entire new album live and it's kind
of like we got a consensus over you know, used
to play that for the DJs, and we did that
live and every night, like clockwork, two or three songs jumped,
so we know that you knew which to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
She's o the world.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Alfredo two, Uh is a contender. I have Alfredo tour
like God sort of albums is right there right there, man,
that's a that's a blessing man. I mean, and you
know what else is right there? Talk to me that
to chains Larry album man, and then in a minute
we're gonna have another something to talk about. Ten album, Yeah,

(01:06:12):
album infinite taj mahalls out now, the whole album will
be out. Vinyls, I think the vinyls and merch just
drop just site now get it. Uh, you have more
merch out than anybody on the planet right now out
because there's just so many. I got a box for you.
Don't worry, bro, I bought all the Alfredo ship. I
bought it all. It's fun, need too, you know, I know,

(01:06:33):
but but I like to put my You know, that's
your guy Fray one hundred percent. Man, she has a cane.
So get good luck on the rest of it for
the rest of the year. Hopefully you don't exhaust yourself.
And I'm definitely coming back. This was long overdue, but
you know who better to do it with than my brother. Man.
Just celebrate Deep, yo, listen have thank you. You are
a fucking icon. I'm so happy that there's a new

(01:06:55):
Mob Deep album in twenty twenty five. And for people
who haven't heard it, I was blessed to be able
to listen into the album. I listened to it two
times straight through today. Uh, and it's fucking fire. Like
I said, you guys really pulled off a very difficult
feat in making it feel like, oh this is this
is a fucking Mob Deep album. Rest in peace to Prodigy.
Go get the album pre order by the Vinyl by

(01:07:17):
the Hoodie, and get a concert ticket. Come to this
show ticket there it is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Appreciate y'all.