#606 - Wale talks New Album post MMG, The Blog Era, Sneakers, WaleMania & Jay-Z vs Kanye & More

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Bootleg CAV Show special guests, one of the oh of
a generation while a though, what how you know, first
of all, this new album, it is a great body
of work front to back.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
You know you have like a knack of like like
you have like these really interpersonal songs on this album,
but like the whole shit just sounds like a single,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Like you're just really good at like joints.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
And I appreciate it, man, I appreciate it. I'm grateful
like to get that reception from you. But now I've
just been ducked off. I mean just you know, like
just living like everything is a lot like after COVID,
everything's been like crazy for sure, So I'm just documenting it.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
What has your experience been like because you were with
Warner for so many years obviously the MMG situation, the
Warner situation was very fruitful for you in your career.
What has it been like transitioning to a new situation
to death Jam Well, I.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Think I just like wasn't even on Warner that long
for real, Like I think when I left Atlantic.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well it was kind of like the Atlantic.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
I had the two albums too, I want to Ambition
was Atlantic Ambition all the way? Yeah, ambition was at
it was Warner, then it was Atlantic.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Uh and there was like switched from like Atlantic to warn.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
It was pretty strange, confusing.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
We're still confused, but like you know, getting to be
I feel like I'm new artists a little bit, like
you know what I'm saying, like because you know, like
I'm I'm, I'm, I'm I'm presented as myself like like
just wila, you know, and it's just a different thing.
Like even the interview questions are different. It ain't really
like you know what I'm saying. It's like it's not

(02:37):
always like MMG Center. But like I said, I love
Ross like I love them that of.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Course, of course.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
But I do feel like at a certain point in
time in your career, I mean you got, there was
always an MMG question, Yeah you got?

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
So you know, so like when I when I dropped
out of school, I was with Mark Ronson and jay
Z and them, like you know what I'm saying. Then
then I went from like like that to being MMG.
And like now it's like Okay, you're out, You're doing
everything you like you got, You're doing your thing, you
have your own team, you have your own label, your
own building, So it's different a little bit.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
How do you look back at because it's crazy to
like when you're like living in it and like as
a DJ and a consumer, I didn't realize how special
the blog erarow was. So now when I look back
and I just think about like clicking on z share links.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
And going to Spoiled Man.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
But you are like one of the pillars of that era,
and you were kind of like one of the first
guys of that era.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
How do you look back at that era of your
career and just.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Just I just think a lot of people forget don't
understand like my like what like like they don't even
know a lot of peoplen't really know how it got here.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Like because the first song I ever played your underground
hip hop show and I cleaned up Go Mode?

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Were you a sampled jay Z.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Going to be on it? And Trey?

Speaker 4 (03:58):
Yeah that was a fun time as Yeah, you know
how I can't say the game was different though, because
I was like I was like locally famous, but I
was still in school and had a job, you know
what I'm saying. But they playing like two of my
songs on radio, Like so like when when when the
blogger came, I was like, dang, like a lot of

(04:19):
them people was famous from the internet, like not where
they was from, you know what I'm saying, Right, I
was lucky enough to have both of you, you know
what I'm saying, And I really didn't understand what was happening.
I ain't really I don't think none of us really
knew what was happening for real, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
But I feel like you were like the because I
even think about your freshman cover and like you're the
first guy front and center on that cover, and I
feel like you were kind of like the first guy
to really really break out and have like that buzz
and that star potential out of your out of those
peers that were going like at that same time. Because
after you is like when Kendrick starts buzzing and start.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
We were all doing at the same time. It's like
it's just in terms of just like getting yeah, blowing.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Up, you know, yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
Like I look back at it like, dang, man, like
I remember just the shoot day, Like you know what
I'm saying, Like I remember that, like and to see
me still doing it, like it's a it's a blessing Bro.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
And you know your first album has aged gracefully like
attention deficit. I know, like when it first came out,
like a lot of people were like, yo, he sold out.
He did this Old Lady God Bro Chilling is a banger.
It is aged like fine line. Yeah, like that could
get played on the radio today.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
I appreciate it, man, I was.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
I was like kind of like a testing kind of
thing for early on in my career, Like there was.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Like, let's try something with this guy.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
They didn't know.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Because from DC, they don't really know about the region.
They don't know, you know what I'm saying. I was
like saying yes to everything because I just got here.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Man.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Nah.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
So this new album, you got the Conundrum record which
kicks things off, which is a very personal record for you.
I feel like it kind of deals with, would you say,
your lack of being in a relationship, being married.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
It's just like it's just just kind of canna get cold?
How I can get cold?

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Like yeah, like you essentially were like, Yo, we got
some crazy sex, but I'm.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
Gonna come with you, like because it's like some people
drive theyselves mad over their job. You know what I'm saying,
and I think, like I went to I've been in
many places like where I'm like, I'm just too into
the job and I can't even focus on loving nobody,
Like you know what I'm saying. It's just a coldness

(06:35):
in me, like you know what I'm saying, And it
comes from being around such as the botcherss, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Not in the industry. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
You gotta you gotta you, gotta, you gotta hard en up,
you know what I'm saying. Sometimes that carry over to
personal life, your personal life, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like, you know, I've heard that I'm cold.
I can get cold sometimes.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Do you feel like, you know, obviously your career has
been so successful, You've so millions and a million records,
and but do you feel like it's been at the
expense of your personal life?

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good question too, Like but yeah,
for sure, Like you know what I'm saying, Like I
got like my my, the way I view the world
is completely different than most of the majority of people,
like you know what I'm saying, Like because what I've seen,
you know, and like I really gave my all to

(07:24):
the music. I gave my all into it and it
you know, if runed a lot of relationships like everyone,
my patients, they patients, you know, like it's just one
of the most vicious sacrifices, you know what I'm saying,
Like not really having that. It's not easy to have
that or trust people like that.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Well, I also feel like like there's very few people
who like really care not only about the art as
much as like you care about the art so much
to a level where like you, I mean, we've all
seen you publicly kind of take I guess maybe like
a lack of maybe appreciation, right because a lot of
people say you're underrated, you know what I mean. And

(08:01):
I know that you've you know, been dealing with that
for a while, and you know, is that kind of
something that you feel like you've gotten past.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
In a sense, Like I just be over it now
because I'm like, man, you know, like everywhere I go
it's like they are poor or whatever. Like man, you
I just I don't, I don't know. Maybe I'm cynical.
I don't really be believed. I don't really It could
be impostercision, it could be something, but I don't really
subscribe to none of that, you know what I'm saying.
But that's enabled me to not like get off two

(08:31):
offended if niggas ain't fuck with me, you know what
I'm saying. So you know, I'm kind of like not
ain't chipping no more like about all that.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, No, I mean, look, I get it though, because
if you like when someone gives a fuck like it's
you want to also like feel like yo, like the
appreciation that comes with the amount of like sacrifice and
work you put into each song, in each lyric and
each other.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Yeah, like I just be I always say, like my
thing is, I don't even really care like y'all canfrom
youall pins about the music, but like just get just
listen to it. It was all it for real, Like
if you truly absorb it and then you don't like
get cool, that's your opinion. But like there's a lot
of pins with people that didn't even like dive into it,
you know what I'm saying.

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feel like you've already like kind of solidified yourself as
like when I think of like ll Biggie fab you

(11:00):
the guys who are just so good at like morphing
R and B and hip hop together and just making
music that ladies love. Yeah, when do you feel like
you kind of caught that like knack and that like, oh,
I'm kind of honest something I got a few of
these now high.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
School high school probably, I mean that's when I knew,
like I can you know it is the way. It's
a way that like you know what I'm saying. But
as far as this this is like in my career,
like I don't really think like that, Like I just
be like, I really just be talking and you know
what I'm saying, Like, I don't be like, yo, the
ladies gonna dig that. I just be talking and it's

(11:37):
just what comes out. I just try to, you know,
talk for real. I don't really look at it like that.
And it's kind of weird, right, But I'm grateful as
I've asked that success.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. If you had
to do a collab project with an R and B
singer like lock In, do a whole joint, We've seen
a few of these over the last few years. Who
would you doing with if you couldn't, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
Probably deal o'leon oh deeal o Leon for oh deeal Leon.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Beyonce. Yeah, so uh.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Yeah, Stevie wonder Stevie would be like, I don't know,
there's a couple of people.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Man, you know, I'm a lovel boy.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
I guess yeah, for sure. Uh you just ended. I
went to the final Wallet Many in Vegas, which was special.
It was kind of the beginning of Naomi's hill turn.
She started did she had a little crash out on stage.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
I love being part of the k Fabrory.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
You know, obviously such a great legacy in the wrestling world.
You are kind of the first wrestling rapper. I think
of you and Dizza is kind of being the first.
Two guys.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Can't have a good gun.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
I feel like you guys, I feel like.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
You.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Gun obviously has has has been doing it for a
long time. But I mean, like way back in the day,
like but I remember seeing you pay per views like
twenty eleven.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
That's actually where I first met a gun in Conway?

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Was that the wrestling event crazy.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Back when when I started, No, I mean obviously, yeah,
west Side Gun has turned. I mean, you know what
he's doing was four fourth rope is just crazy. It's
so special crazy. That was my favorite thing that happened
Wrestlmingia weekend was his show.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
They they they up to some shout the gun and.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Shout out to him and deer Man. They're they're doing
it for you. Uh why was it time to end?
While media juice squeeze, sometimes just the juice worth to squeeze.
Sometimes it's like I enjoy it, enjoy seeing the people,
but you know, like you want things like that to
be like easy going, because not I just just coming
off tour like you wanted to be you know, but

(13:46):
you know, never say never though, you know, but like
I said, juice squeeze.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Like and I was just saying, like it's.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Like, okay, every every every March April, you gotta set
aside like a week.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
And you're round in the troops and like you know
the club from all the life or like the you know,
finding the Venu. Yeah, like you know, but well, never
say no.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
I got some I got some relentless management managers and
people in my on my side that probably want to
happen one day again.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Do you.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
How much are you watching? Like, because I feel like
right now, w's WW is kind of in a little rut.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Little, it's a little it's a little way I ain't
really watched to be honest, Like.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
The set thing kind of sucked, Like they broke up
the vision Ship super.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Fast nowhere when he was hurt those.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
And I get it, he hurt his shoulder. It's like
could have done it, could have did a different way.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Hurt. They've been hurt. Heeled to like champions like.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
For one hundred, like he could just flash the belt
for three months, show up promo every every other.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Week and like the some of the episodes be kind
of repaired, like you could take two weeks off and
come back on.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Uh, how did you feel?

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Because I feel like one of the biggest fumbles in
recent WW history is the Scena heel turn because the
moment by itself was so crazy and it was so
well executed, and then after that, I mean, that was it.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
The peak was the day it happened. Man grand open
and grand closing.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Man, that was a generational I don't even want to
go there, let me, yeah it was.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
It was never believable.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
It was just bad, bro, Like they should have just
made him full heal, like just like.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Switch the gear.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Everything stopped going to doing the kids, send Cody to
go and make the kids, you know, like he would
have got his redemption art towards the end, like it
just didn't feel like nothing, Like who.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Do you think is going to be his final? Uh match?
Because we still don't know.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
I think Saturday Nights Man event. Yes, that's so weird,
like wrestling that's so weird, Like that's not even a
real people rumble. I think it's because it's on NBC
though probably right.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yes, some big cock so so everybody can watch watch it. Yeah,
because ever since the ESPN deal happened? Whatever's been going
on on ESPN? I don't watch I don't know what.
It's so weird, right.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
It's I don't got I like the subscription was like they.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Got the Saudi Verse, the ESPN Verse and then the
regular I just it's too much.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
I don't know, bro, I'm like, I watch it on youtubet.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
It's like like it's hot work at It's a lot.
Like I tried to watch the joint on PN, like
logging in. I'm like, I'm logged in, Like, oh, you
want more.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Ship?

Speaker 4 (16:12):
It was just too much going on. Man, Yeah, Like
I see it on YouTube and nothing even happened.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Nothing even happened.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
But who who? If you had to?

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Because I thought for sure it would make sense for
him to to put Seth over at the end, like
let Seth beat him.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Seen it? I thought I thought that that would be
the most Like.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Is Cody too obvious of a guest?

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Well, they already wrestled.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
I mean, it's Cody, but he's the biggest face in
the company.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
It would make sense because obviously I can't because you.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Can't even tell who they're trying to. Maybe maybe Bron
break there, Maybe I don't.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I don't feel like it's too soon.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
I don't even and then I feel like that's like
it would just feel like they're forcing it.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
I don't know nobody. Seth would have been the has
never had.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
One of them dudes to put him over yet for me,
like if he if he beats Seen in his final match,
that's that's like, yeah, it makes sense.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Now that's out of the question.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
That's done.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
But no, I just I hope Wally India comes back
or or dude, even if you you got.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
To be a manager on TNA or some ship, I
would do that. But Tate's cooking right.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Now, cooking, cooking. They got some guys with it.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Talk to me man about working with Shaboozie on this album,
because Shaboozi is such a generationally talented dude.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
You guys, Yeah, now he's from the crib, from the DMV.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
So the crazy thing is that, like I wrote that
song like way before, like the country Boom, like you
know what I'm saying, Like, because I really wanted to
be on some songwriting stuff on the album, Like I
really wanted to be like like Blanco, like bluesy vibe,
So it was done, but like he like one of
my managers that played it for him, because I think

(17:52):
he was like in the studio off stairs or something
like that, and I think he liked it when he
heard it, but I don't even think the conversation was
even there. But he ended up getting on it like
maybe like two months later.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Like that fired.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, No, he's dope. Man, that's an outro?

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
How many songs from this project? Like like did you
were you picking from the kind of morph it?

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Like?

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Was it like like I guess what was on the
coming of.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
I cut so many songs man, Like I was losing
my mind, like I got too many songs, Like but
I just record every day. So what you'll know, yo,
your instinct to tell you what do you get?

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Demo itis a lot though, where you're like, man, you
put some ship in the're like, man, we did this
ship too long ago.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
It's old to me.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Yep, yep, yep. So many songs in the vote they
like that happened like that.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
That might be fucking number one records.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
You never know, Yeah, absolutely right, yeah, it's it's it's
the demo ightist thing.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
I got a whole how drized that I can't find
him with. Probably got about thirty songs like that would
be that would work right now. Yeah, that's the that's
the that's the thing about artists, like we were slowly
losing our mind with this art.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Like Yo, earlier this year you had said that Cole
helped you get over writer's block. Yeah, what how do
you get over writers? What was the advice?

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Like, I can't he got got I can't give away
the cold information.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, I'm saying if you have writer's block, it could
be like I feel like creative block in generals.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yeah, it's well, I mean I try to run, walk,
like do something like he said some.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
About meditating get out.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah yeah, he's he's he's a meditator.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
But I think he tweeted it to eighty DP.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Brain was hard. It's hard to meditate.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
With my point, like I started to go like this,
I start thinking about everything like having for dinner and
all that type of stuff.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
But now I deal with writer's block.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
I walk or I just get my driver give me
not just cruise for a little bit and just look
out thee though he to Jay, listen to some something
pre nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
You know what I'm saying, get some vibes going.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
What is your pre nineteen ninety nine? Go to you know, like.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Reading though, Like like I've been listening to so much.
All I've been listening to like is lock Shiit CNN,
the CNN first album, Early Cam. I was listening to
SD the other st is so good.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Oh my god, let me know.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
You know what's crazy is the first cameraon album Confessions
of Fire. He's got a song, the Confession song that's
on there. Do you remember how insanely it.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Would never fly? He was about, Yeah, yeah, I don't
know that. I don't know what that was.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
He was like, what do they call that?

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Incests at edge Lord he was on that.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was like that like horror core ship,
like with a poodle that was.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
He was saying some wow, And I'm like, what I thought?
This was hors and Carriage, Like no, that was Children
of the Corn Camera to.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Get it out, WASSM or something.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
You know, I just saw a new story came out
today about and obviously there's a lot of contexts being
left out of the headline because they just changed a
lot of the prerequisites on the Billboard chart, but essentially
since ninety two, it's the first time there has been
a rap song in the top forty on Yeah Billboard's
Hot one hundred.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
That's scary.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
I mean, shoot, I got songs just platinum that never
even made it on that shot.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
So you know, it's there's there's some things.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
Hip hop is in a weird place, like but you know,
plays superprises, I mean it's place three games, it gets
to press like we played with. I think a lot
of us took a lot of this for granted, Like
you know what I'm saying, Like the balance of the
balance of like every artist having their own unique style,
you know what I'm saying, or unique collaborations like we
got everything got kind of repetitive.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Like yeah, it definitely felt like, uh for there's like
in terms of just like the commercial aspect of especially
male artists don't want to put because I feel like
like the women have done a good job of making
like hit records doing anything. But in terms of like dudes,
it just kind of felt like a lot of like
half leaned out, non hook like motherfuckers all kind of

(21:55):
have the same melodic pocket.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Yeah, it's a little bit. I mean, but you could
say that about every sub genre and hip hop. But
it's been good.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
I feel like, by the way, I do think it's
been an amazing hip hop year quality wise, Like it
has been a fucking year people.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Everybody's been dropping Clips.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Album, Alfredo two, Chance album.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Is incredible, Chance album.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Your album is incredible than Larry the Larry June to Change.
Alchemist album is incredible. Him Boy Alchem is hit boy Alchemy.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Could you do a whole album Alchemist?

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Please? For fox sake? That just sounds like is very elusive,
But he's not elusive. That must just be me. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Have you reached out.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
We talked a couple of times. He's busy.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
You have to go to Santa Monica. This is how
it works. You've got to go to him right and
just locking and you know, take a week and do
an album.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
That sounds good, sound I mean good, that sounds amazing.
But he got like eight albums coming out, like it's.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Eric, I do album. What's your what's your favorite rap
album of the year, excluding your album? That would be cheap.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
I like Central Sea Joint, I like too, I like
Clips Joint.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
It's between Freddy and Clips. For me, that's close. It's close,
though it's close.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
I really enjoyed Dave's album.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
The New Dave album is so fucking good. It's intense,
it's and you know what, That's one thing I was
I yell at people because I love U K Rap
and I'll be driving around the car with the homies
bumping Dave and They'll be like, yo, man, turn this
ship off, And I'm like, I don't think you understand.
This is the most vulnerable rapper on the planet.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
You know he can, I mean, and he could wrap
his ass off.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
May having some pockets too, Like, I got a lot
of love for the UK scene, bro.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
And Central c is cold, bro, Like I know, he's
like a superstar. Now people are looking at I'm like, nah,
like go back. He could get off like that. Even
that Dave Central c ep was that.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Yeah, that's a sight.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
That joint going down in history on history. It went
five for five on that joint. It was incredible. So
if you have got your head what you'll have been picking.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
The year, I'll probably say, uh, I'm gonna probably say
Clips all Set album was like that too.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
allSome album was real good.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Too solid.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
Yeah, got a real good album, but I'll probably say
I'll probably say clips joint Freddy by by a short distance.
It is interchangeable because Freddy was doing gymnastics on that joint.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Depending on the day.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, he was ribbing. He's rabbing his ass.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Off Yeah, no off set.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
I'm definitely just to get mentioned too.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yeah, this joint. You got some joints on that.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Per do you when you're crafting your album and you're
in the studio, is it hard for you to like
be a fan and listen to other people ship without
it like kind of subconsciously, I give.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
Most albums like people that's dropping. I'll give you that
that the first day come out when I'm working out
in the gym.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Then leave it alone.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Because you don't want to get like because even subconsciously
I might, and I might, I might have like a
favorite two or three songs on it, and I might
go back to be like I don't really most of
my friends I don't really listen to their music like
that because it's like.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
I want to accidentally like you know what I'm saying,
I'm good, but I mean I know they should good
because I'll give it to spend. But I'll be like,
all right, right, stay with stay where you at.

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Speaker 2 (26:36):
What is Uh?

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Was there a what was I guess the final song
that kind of barely made the cut? Maybe it was
like getting the feature last minute on the album or
getting the clearance.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Uh. Probably Boozy was a buzzy beater.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
It was a buzzy beater. You feel Likeima, what are
we fucking doing here? I know you almost went to
Empire hurt almost.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Nima and staff they always hold it down. But I
was a buzz beating and me and Leon buzz beat
the joint too.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
You got a couple of joints. Uh, you kicked it
like the Uh? Where is starting value of the beast?
Are to just those are like just take them to
mix show, ready to go?

Speaker 2 (27:21):
How do you pick it? Like?

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Like, are you at the point where you and the
label are gonna wait and see what happens with like
how the fans react to a record before you kind
of decide what the quote unquote single is? Uh?

Speaker 4 (27:31):
I mean the music being has changed so much so
it's like I don't like, I mean, it'd be nice.
The fans really really was passionate about something that's where
we go. But sometimes you just got to put it out,
like you know, like I was. I was, I was
very I really wanted Blanco to be my first release,
like as like.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
I felt you made a statement.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
With like yeah, it's just I just wanted to show
songs men ship like songwriting skills like and make so
like something that felt real bluesy, you know what I'm saying.
But like everything else, like you know, when the album
comes out, you can you can kind of feel it
from your fans. You can feel it like what's where
they're going. I listened to my monds a lot.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Do you remember when you realized you actually got Seinfeld
to do the mixtape like that, Like like what was
the feeling when you get that confirmation the call? Because
I'm sure it feels like like that's the kind of
thing like somebody could tell you it's gonna happen and

(28:28):
you're like, yeah, motherfucker, I believe it when it happens.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
I mean, we had a we had a good rapport
before the album because of the mixtapement that was before
I was.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah yeah, because I mean we're coming up on ten
years of.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
The album, so I mean, like once once we once
were in the studio with him, like we're actually working
on it. It was like, damn, it's really going down.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
I would have been like, Yo, FaceTime, Larry David, can
we get fame?

Speaker 4 (28:50):
I need to give with Larry David. I think he's
at the University of Maryland alumni.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Man, I gotta give him.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
He's a terp.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
I think so. I think so. It sounds good now.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
I feel like that should be the next thing. If
you just do like ten joints, just barring out, like
you know, curb your enthusiasm.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
If I can get if I can get Larry, if
I can get Larry, I'll go back because I said
I wasn't gonna go back to that series, but I
do it for Larry.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
This is a big question, and I think there's an
obvious answer here. What shows better Curb or Seinfeld?

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Man.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
I mean, I've seen every episode of Signfield. I haven't
seen every episode of Kurb.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
But.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
I think Curb probably aged a little bit better.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
I think Kurb is the greatest comedy ever.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah, it's good shot my man. JB. Smooth Man.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
I've just talked to him a couple of He's so
fucking good man. This is a smart that's a smart way, dude,
I did yo.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
The DC mount Rushmore is pretty wild if you think
about just overall talents. Obviously Chappelle's on there, You're on there.
Who else is on the d m V Mount Rushmore
for you? When it comes to entertainment?

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Taraji, Marvin H.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Katie, come on?

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Uh spot his Halloween sneaker.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
That's a great question. Uh Chappelle, right, Chuck Brown probably big?

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Yeah, no, no, you said Sappell already off here, you
know what I'm saying. Yeah, But everybody who's on the
tide of the band's building?

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Where do you feel like? We're in?

Speaker 3 (30:24):
This?

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Like interesting time because my favorite era of sneaker culture
was Lebron seven, eight, nine.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Ten Lebron. That was a good slobe time, right.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Because then you had the KD four's, You had so
many joints that you could get off with jeans, the.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
All Star, the All Star Package, the.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
All Star, the Big Bangs, the Galaxy Is the Christmas joints.
That was a great The South Beaches, Oh my fucking god.
I kind of like I was pretty excited when they
started retroing the Lebron's because I was able to get
like the what the Lebron's and the big bangs, and
I got like the big bang Kati fours and ship
like the Nerve Katie fours.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
I was like, I got the weather Man's. I was like,
I couldn't afford the weather Man's.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
When they came out and you had a run, I
was like, oh wait on some uh No, that was
two thousand and let's see. I think twenty ten was
when the lebron Hs dropped.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
That was for sure.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Man the red carpets and the yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
And even think about like the Quark tens. But I
feel like we're kind of getting to a point now
where obviously the running shoes are lit right now, like
a six and new Balance and all that, but I
feel like people rocking basketball shoes again. Like I just
was with Freddy last night and he had the John
rant On with his.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
With his pants watch it, watch it happen, And I.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Mean, you're wearing the ants, right, you did that?

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Hopefully you're the.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Guy you are the sneakers with jeans, dude and hip hop, Like,
how did you feel like the basketball shoes?

Speaker 4 (31:53):
Kind of Nike shot out the Nike Basketball, my Man
east Side, Frank cook Man, those.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Good brothers over there.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Yeah, those GT futures are They're.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
About to do some real good things over there. Nike basketball.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
What uh do you feel like that?

Speaker 3 (32:06):
That?

Speaker 1 (32:06):
The basketball shoe in general though, just as a casual
because I feel like you know who who also has
slept on shoe. Obviously he's Jerseys behind you. But Devin Booker,
I think the books are you them.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Book they are? They can't plaining for me.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
They look like I'm about to go hoop and only
hoop like they like playing playing.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
To me, they're like very much like uh.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Like Air Force one. Yes, yeah, they're just playing man.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
A lot of jobs. Colorway I was I wish was
like mid instead of load top. But yeah, you probably
got the best, the best news.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Shoot them jaws are fucking gassed.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
A lot of colorways just really fire. They spiking it
with the colourways.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
How are you feeling about Obviously the Commander season has
been interesting because h Daniel's been hurt a lot this year. Yeah,
you have been riding Mariota last week. How are you
feeling about your commanders?

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Man? Tough tough maname?

Speaker 1 (32:54):
I lost good money by the way betting on the
Wizards are betting against them. Yes, that fucking George. George's cooking,
cook the Mavericks up. But Jayden, that's my man.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
That's like, that's my good man in Javon and Regina
like his whole family, like they show number h But
I hate seeing my dog hurt.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Man. I just hate like like he let a game
so much.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
I just hate to see him like like not being
able to be with the team, like you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
But former in Arizona State University. Great one year he transferred, We're.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Gonna we're gonna see as we got a little bit
more ball to place. So let's see, y'all go.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Uh if you had to, sometimes you'll hear like people
say like jay z is the Michael Jordan of recording.
Well he said that about himself. Mmm uh. Some people
say Lebron is like Drake. If you had to compare
yourself your career to an NBA player, who would it be.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
I don't know, man, I don't know, maybe like maybe
like uh, Steve Nash or something like that.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Even that's she's not bad. Two time MV people the
bad No, I mean.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
MVP probably because you know I've been, like my my
lore is a little bit like I've been. I've done
more than people know, like real relief pet like you
know what I'm saying, Like I've done a lot more
than like casuals.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
So yeah, like casuals won't get it, but the basketball
fans will get it. Like we'd be like, yo, now
you had to see Steven.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah, like a sneaky, sneaky catalog one of
those guys. I guess I ain't not like an algorithm
Darling Kirk, Yeah, Dirk, see the Dirk.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, first ballot.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
First ballot.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yes for you, man, talk about uh, you know, I
do think that you have had if you think about
the longevity that it takes to be as relevant as
you've been for all these years. We talked a little
about earlier, about some of the sacrifice you had to make.
But what would you say, is like your biggest secret
to just staying relevant, staying relentless?

Speaker 4 (35:03):
It ain't no secret. I just I just work, man,
I just I worked real hard at my job. I work,
and I mean I drive myself to exhaustion. I you
know what I'm saying all the time. So I just
work like I.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Just I just you feel like you treated like a job,
like like quite literally.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
Sometimes it is a job, like like like turnin things.
It ain't the most fun, like you know, you might
not want to really physically want to be outside, but
you really got to be outside like for your for
your job, like you know what I'm saying, Like they
do feel like a job sometimes for sure.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
You know, early on, I remember when The Roots embraced you.
How big of a deal was that to get like
a co sign from it?

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Was?

Speaker 4 (35:42):
It was it was crazy, like you know, like it
means something to me because it's like Black Thought, like
one of my favorites ever and you know, just soaring
with Mark and jay Z like and then you get
off that now you're on a Roots Roots single, like
you know, that was that was a lot. I remember
we did the GQ shoot Me Breaking Cuddy y'all, like

(36:03):
they're like, yeah, I'm working with I'm working with Justin
Timberlay working with the Roots. You know what I'm saying,
Like all right, but I said that you with my
chest like yeah, you know what I'm saying like this
this this is this is this is.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
A monumental thing for me right here, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
So yeah, and we're still cool to this day, man, man,
like we talk all the time.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
I just had Mickey Facts up here. I believe you
guys are on the cover together, right yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's on that twenty ten. Who else is on that?

Speaker 5 (36:29):
Charles Charles Hamilton, Acehood, Cuddy, fucking Charles Hamilton?

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Loo?

Speaker 1 (36:35):
I think was it the biggest what if? Charles Hamilton
so so so.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Very very very talented. I remember telling like I remember
we was all talking like.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
I want to.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
I had one session with him a long time ago,
like around that time, like playing stuff and make it
be like he's he was like that.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
He was like that, bro, he was like dad. I
remember he had that Green Lantern mixtape where he wrapped
over that stained joint that out on the house side
looking and I won't it shout out to him what.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
We were just talking about.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
I just sparked up something about our Mickey Fax conversation
because Mickey Facts is up here.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Cook. He just had something that made me think about
the Mickey.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Facts m H.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Cover was on it that cover though, out of everyone
on that cover, anybody still talk to on a regular basis.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
M hm, I mean not a regular basis.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
But you know, like when I bumped in the eigthood,
like I think somewhere out of the country I forgot,
but I don't really, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
I mean I'm cool with everybody.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
I still felt like I followed Mickey faxts, you know
what I'm saying, like, I'm cool with Yeah, send on
my man, that's my dog, like that's my nigga. Like yeah,
but I I don't think I've really been talking to
nobody on it.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
Well, yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
I be I be Jiah by myself really like I
don't really I'm very, very very introverted now, like as
opposed about it.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Do you feel like you're pretty like uh like kind
of like you kind of a kind of closed off
to the rest of music industry and in a sense
like you kind of keep yourself at arms links.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
Yeah, for sure, like because once you kind of start
realizing what it is, like just it's not it's not
like I love hip hop, like business is scary, like
just I'm straight like.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Even like just like when you when you realize you know,
obviously I'm not a fucking PLATNINGU rapper like you, but
like when you kind of realize like you should just
say no to go into a lot more ship than
you like used to be, Like yeah, I would love
to go to that police party.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
Or yeah, because sometimes I feel like a task like
me personally, I just really can't. And it's not their fault,
I guess, but it's I don't like the expectations that
that are on us, Like like I gotta remember you
from two years ago in the club, and now I'm
a dechead because I don't remember you, Like now you're

(39:05):
gonna tell everybody while he was at anything, he ain't
know what. Like all those those things really irked me,
like because it's like bro, and like I might as
well just stay home, like everybody pulling on you all
like it get a lot, you know what I'm saying,
It get a lot?

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Like that was what I when we were talking about
Black Thought because of me and Make you were I
asked making who the greatest?

Speaker 2 (39:23):
If you took away all all.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Number one's plaques and you just said, who is the
best at rapping? We came to the conclusion that it's
probably Black Thought and Lupe Fiasco I.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Would say that loop every day.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
I was say black dot Wayne got black dot Wayne
and Jay they Wayne got be in a conversation.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
He's done.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
He's done too many, He's done too many crazy verses
like to not be in it.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, I think I think Wayne. For me, it's like
I just it's hard for me to like ignore like
the last.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
I feel you, you know, I feel you. But like
you know how they've been saying that he's still.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Like they've been saying, like Russell Wilson has played himself
out of the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
He can't don't don't, don't do not put that on
at Oh No, I'm just saying, like first ballot, he's
hard to remember the Seahawks days.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Does that make sense? Like obviously Wayne's like Wayne's Wayne.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
I mean seeing Green that was like ar wasn't No,
that was like three years ago, that joint crazy feature
that was.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
The Nickash Yeah, bb King, He's still.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
You know what I'm saying, Green was crazy.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
He's still He'll show you. Yeah, Yeah, he's still.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Would you uh would you put who?

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Because today we talked about this on the radio because
the versus thing happening In an old quote from Hove
came up from like twenty twenty one where he says
nobody can step on the versus stage with him now
that it's back. I was like, I think the only
person who I was say it's just Kanye, It's just
one name.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
And that I mean because that's awesome.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
IM saying jay Z's my personal goat, Like right, he
knows that, he knows that you know me for like
twenty like he's my personal goat. But I don't know Kanye.
Kanye did like because because because like like imagine what
that would look like like James he could do twenty
two twos and go crazy and like all of the lights.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
He got stuff that's like super like when he said
state in music that he meant that ship like you
feel me, and it's different.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
It's different.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Jay got a lot of but Kanye got like he's
his own genre type ship you feel me, like what
like like graduation around that time like that.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Dude even just like flipping like the Daft punk ship
and like crossing like into the electric.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
But it was like, what do you.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Play after Power?

Speaker 3 (41:39):
I don't know what you're playing?

Speaker 2 (41:41):
If he plays power, what do you play.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Ja got hits though he does, but it's like you
you were really like the excellent, most top tier rapper,
like that's that's a top tier song maker like sense
and all this sudden like you know what, you know
what I'm saying, And he he broke the mold like
he was he was a let's take up musically. So
I don't know if I think they can he can

(42:04):
stand with J like for sure, but who knows, because
nobody ever really really wins versus anyways.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Right right, right, Uh, you're obviously a fan of this
ship for real. Who's the last new artist that just
really impressed you that you don't really have that maybe
you haven't met yet, or somebody who you don't really
have any.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
Affiliation with O'Dell, but I mean we got a record
of it, O'Dell, he's continued to impress me.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Uh, Leon Thomas Leon?

Speaker 1 (42:29):
What about MC?

Speaker 4 (42:32):
Who's the most recent? Ah Man boss Man di Lo?

Speaker 3 (42:39):
I mean not really new no more? He's a baby
chief do it? Baby Chief?

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Do it?

Speaker 3 (42:43):
I like?

Speaker 4 (42:43):
I like young from Chicago. Yeah, he's the kid who
looks like he's twelve. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
You know what's crazy is like they took some headline,
like a little part of the interview where he said
he's used AI to gain help. Yeah, and like just
took it so much out of context.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah, And I'm like, yo, Like.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
I'm like, why are you all messing with that? Man?
Let that little boy do his thing? Man Like.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
I like his I like his style. He like a
little animated. No, he's he's fine. Yeah, I like, Uh,
what's his name? What's the kid from Detroit whose dad
was signed to the Juggalos Baby Tron?

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, Baby Tron got some great.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
NBA bars, funny ship, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
A lot of and the SamArt sins though too.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
Yeah, sin oh, I've seen the name. I've seen the name.
I ain't heard this stuff. I heard about it though.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
What's your favorite song of the album today? I'm probably
in the case. Tomorrow probably was different yesterday.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
I don't know. Uh, Belly maybe Belly, I say Belly.

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Speaker 1 (44:27):
How is it that you have one of the greatest
wedding songs of all time and you've never been married?
Oh the matrimony. I got married while I'm walking down
the aisle at the end.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
After the eye does. By the way, I'm gonna show
you video.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
I come out Leatherstone Cold dst to Stone Colds theme
music crush the beers get married with the belt anyway,
but we wedding ends, the matrimony plays.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
We were walking out, but you weren't married.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
So like this is a song that's gonna get played
forever at people's most important days of their life.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
That's that's that's such a crazy thing to think about.
But yeah, like I just you know, being in the industry,
you make sacrifices, like you don't really realize how long
you are for like you really don't realize it until like,
you know, like around at seventh eight albums, like oh
my friends is married now kids?

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Like what am I doing? Like you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Like so, but also like you know, marriage, I used
to look at it like like the people who own
McDonald's don't eat McDonald's, Like you know what I'm saying,
Like that's a wild you know what I'm saying, Like you're.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Going because they know. I know, I know too much,
Like I've seen too much like.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
This guy's like, yeah, you know what they say. If
you're selling dope, don't get high on your own supply.
Now I'm selling love songs again, apply dog.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
But what was that a record where like Usher had
already did the hook.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Nah.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
No, that's the genius that is Sam Due on Devil
the Hook.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
But no, Jake one was just like yo yo yo
Jake one.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Did that be like Jake White White Van Music, Jake
one from Seattle?

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Yes, I need one of them joints. Let's do one
of them joints. I'm like, I can do that.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Let's go like I was like on some Jake one
is so fire. By the way, it's just multi the
truth freeway, brother a fire. I didn't know he did
the matrimony.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Damn you.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Uh it feels like you're you're talking about specific relationships
on this project. On I told you my favorite song
on the project is I think it's track seven, Power Problems.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
So did did you?

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Did? You said pretty much that someone broke your heart? Wait,
I crossed you?

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Uh? That was not I I said it on the.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Album somewhere, But you said, essentially you were talking about
being double crossed and you got cheated on.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Did a girl cheat on you who had just got divorced?

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Uh? That that's a little bit of art in that.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
Oh got this, this is this, there's there's I pulled
from somewhere real on that line.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
So, but when you are pulling from somewhere real, I'm
assuming like.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
I seen I've seen that. I've seen that happen, but
not to you. But there's something similar happened, but they
wasn't married. God, So I'm pulling from over the place for.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
You though, Like, do you like hear from people who
might think that records are about them?

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Are you worried about that?

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Really?

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Because I know you mentioned like your your baby mom
had like left her new husband.

Speaker 4 (47:37):
No, no, no, very much together they were fighting or no,
they she moved on. She She's like, there's no nothing
like that was a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
I'm saying, But I'm just wondering, like when you talk
about real.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
But I don't. I don't. I don't do anything with
no ill intent.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Of course I don't.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
And it's really my transgressions that I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
I don't know, it's your therapy for sure.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
You know when when you who that kind of ship,
like I'm sure you know people people will listen to
the music and be like, hey, was.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
That about me? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Well, I mean maybe sometimes you know, but it's my
like I got these my experiences.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
One hundred percent. Do you feel like the because I
feel like you were very early. Obviously your your your
Nigerian and uh afrobeat has had such an insane pop
culture moment over the last like five to seven years
or so. As somebody who was working with whiz Kid
forever ago and a lot of these guys there was

(48:35):
it been to just kind of see that genre just
kind of I.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
Mean right, I mean I knew it was gonna happen.
I knew it was inevitable and knew it was going right.
So you know, I'll be proud of seeing them doing anything,
man Like, It's it's a good feeling, like to see
them dudes do it right?

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Is there a which in your like who's in your
rotation right now? When it comes to the AfroB.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
Chip mm hmm odeal And that's kind it's kind of
fro swing for real. Bern always h David with Tany
the entertainer Shay Vibes Randma about you. It was my

(49:14):
one of my favorite songs this year, Odomotive black Uh
even his nemesis they beefing right now black Bones. I
listened to both of their music.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, they got to have for bee beef popping.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
It's a little bit but I'm not gonna put the
black Sheriff dude, Black Sheriff tough.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
He got a Thomas voice, real dope, real dope.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
It's super unique.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Yeah, talk about your your chemistry with Binks, who is
also kind of carving out.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Everything.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
I was calling everybody do that, Drake.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
You know what's funny is Yeah there's the wise after the.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
N Yeah yeah, but no, that that's my man, like
is big.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
You know I'm tripping bank Is produce it too. Yeah,
that's my brain's broken now.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
But no, my man, you do a lot with Yeat,
like you work with a.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Lot of did a lot of love boy, like he
got some shop with Freddy too like that.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Yeah, yeah, he liked that.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
It's easy, easy to work with just a musical very creative,
like very very creative.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Like you have different pockets too, because like if you
think about like Yeat and you think about like very sonically.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
Different, Yeah that's what I'm saying. And he do international
he just you just like that.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
What are your thoughts on like the new alternatives a
new underground hip hop?

Speaker 4 (50:33):
It's very like things like it's like maybe like probably
what grunge was like classic.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Yeah, like I feel like we don't have like our
kids don't have punk rock anymore that they got like
destroy Lonely.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Yeah, for sure. You know what I mean, this room
for everybody.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Do you enjoy the baggy pants return?

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Yeah, I'm a fan of I got a lot.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Of You're a fashion guy, but but I feel like
Jinko's are back, like my kids.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Well not the extra baggy like you know, you know when.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
We grew up like like White Trash Wars Juggerots, like
it was like the kids would go to Spencer's and
Mister Rags and they have like you know, the great
malinko ic pts.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
It's always evolving. Fashion is ever evolving things, just like
his music is so everything.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
I am glad that like skinny jeans are done, like
skinny jis.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Some people ain't even let it go yet, but.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Well I don't think.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
I also think there's certain people who's size they're not.
They just know it's just every jeans skinny.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
But I just feel like there is like this thing
where it's like, yo, motherfuckers, we're talking about shake Shake
gillis Alexander that motherfucker having them pants on bro, they.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Put it on.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
No he does. It's like he's like the new Russell Westbrook.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Yeah, it's a little out there, but you take risks.
That's what it's all about.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Though, I'm the MVP. I'm taking my fashion risk.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
What do you think of his shoe?

Speaker 3 (51:58):
It's cool.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
I've never seen it in per saying his dedication to
like wearing it, like you don't only put that where
his shoe like to every game for real, Like you
don't want nothing but his shoes.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Did you?

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Because I I like it when basketball players put effort
into their marketing or their sneaker because I think back
in the day when we had like a I and
Jada kissing. Yeah yeah, did you see the Cat Williams commercial?

Speaker 4 (52:18):
Yeah yeah, they funny, man, They funny for that. But
Adds do a good job with his marketing and he
and his brains.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
He's a he's a self aware.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
He's trying to rap album.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
It's his label, it's his brother label. Yeah, I'm wanting
you're on it? Yeah, I got joint push your t
on it?

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Oh ship?

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (52:39):
So his brothers are you who's rapping on it?

Speaker 3 (52:41):
You know? And just you and on? That was being pushed.
It's like a compilation Hi Boy, and Sean got a
record on it.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
So he kind of just kind of did like his
DJ call, but he's Anthony.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Edwards and his brother be different.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Is there an NBA player if they called and asked
you for a verse, you say no, I don't think
I Like if Lori markt In hit you and was like,
hey man, I know I'm stuck up here in St.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
St.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Salt Lake City. I want to put together you know.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
No, No, I need a ten day contract. I need
a ten day contract by doing a person.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah. Like I feel like there's just certain players like
I don't want to hear. You know, if Blake Griffin
started the Moonlight as a hip hop producer post retirement,
I'd be.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
Like, nah. But some of them got that, like Javel McGee,
make you make.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Good, Javail slap by the way, Javel McGee.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
I guess it's like one of the greatest Israeli basketball
Where's he atwhere?

Speaker 3 (53:33):
I don't know?

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Falling?

Speaker 1 (53:35):
He won a championship yea, and.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
He go with the music had some beats, Yeah, he did,
he did that.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
He had the worst song on NAS's Hip Hop is Dead.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Oh wow, I don't. I don't know what song it was.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I remember I had the booklet and I was like,
this song is trash?

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Who did this beat?

Speaker 1 (53:51):
And I looked and I was like, Chris Webber, damn
is making beats by the way all time? Great bullet on,
great bullet Then it was it was too short. It
was quick, very in and out.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Who do you think is the greatest Wizard of all time?
Or bullet?

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Actually we could that's two questions.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
John. Maybe I think it's John.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
It's not Brad John.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
I put John over Brad as far as like like impact.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
And also like a little bit more playoff success.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Yeah, and he wan this dunk contest. I mean that's
not not a big thing, but that's big. Like it's
like it's it's like we ain't ever had no listen
in the dunk contest that it kind of meant something
back then. But the year he's NBA all first scene,
you know, like John West.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Yeah, I think after I had Bradley Bill and my
sons for two years, I have nothing nice to say
about him, even though he's probably a nice guy, a
good dude. He's a nice guy. I know, he's a
family man, with that being said John wall Over.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
Bill, Yeah, yeah, John, but Gilbert Rinas, Yeah, I put
out gil because.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Gilbert at least he had the thing with Lebron go.

Speaker 5 (54:56):
Yeah, then you got it might be on the team.
It was like him kron Butler Agian.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Zero was knocking everything down when when he was in DC, Like.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
What about bullet era that can go back? That's like
what west unseld like, I don't even know.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Michael Jordan's was the best wizard actually, I.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Mean about all the jerseys. That was the time the
seventeens dropped, right, Yeah, the superca Yeah, super slept on shoot,
by the way, it is I think that was the
last great Jordan eighteen.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
No, they't had the button on it like the twenty
threes though. I like the twenty threes a little bit.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yeah, seventeen though, I think it's the last one where
I'm like, like they just put you said dormbackers. They dropped.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Seventeen.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
They're just white, They're like they're like dark, they're kind
of crazy. All right, So is this forest GT Is
that your sneaker?

Speaker 3 (55:51):
No?

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Just on the campaign for Yeah, it's gotta be kind
of cool. It was getting Nike after making I.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Want to, I want to, I want to do something.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
You're like obviously at some point with whatever I do
in the sneaker world.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
But do you think you love sneakers or wrestling more?

Speaker 4 (56:06):
Uh, sneakers? And it's not I'm not in love with sneakers,
like I like the cool So.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
You take wrestling over sneakers.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
I'm not. I don't, I'm not. I'm not.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
I ain't been watching like that lately for real. So
who's got the better wrestlers right now? AW or wb
W W at wrestling?

Speaker 3 (56:27):
I mean, it depends on what you're watching for.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Yeah, what about if you're watching for choreo, choreography a
heavy busting them ships, doggings that will offspring motherfucker be
look doing.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Goddamn trampoline is why it's crazy?

Speaker 2 (56:43):
No, for sure?

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Well listen, man, I appreciate you pulling up the album
is incredible people, definitely. Man, when when' it's coming out?

Speaker 2 (56:50):
November?

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Right? Fourteen fourteenth? Ye?

Speaker 2 (56:54):
What what is the meaning behind the title?

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Everything's a lot, man? Like everything is chaotic right now?

Speaker 4 (57:01):
Like go outside like DC, you got like federalis you
know what I mean? Like you got like you know,
like we got degenerate game, like young degenerate gamblers, like you.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Got oh yeah, because it's lid out there.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
Everything is just like everything is so heavy now that
the most bizarre thing can happen right now and we'll
forget about it by Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Do you feel like the legalization of gambling is kind
of like turned out? It's it's like, I don't I
don't think it's a good West.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
You got that, and I like I'll get I'm I'm
gonna get money type of person. So like the game
is a game, but you know that's the slippery slope right.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Then, it is very slippery because then you chase out.
A rough week started with the Wizards actually beating the
Mavericks did because because I don't think people understand like
what happened, Like essentially DC was like the first city
that this.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
National Guard thing happened.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Yeah, and and you saw some people it looked it's
terrible that like the army is being essentially turned against
its own people.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
It's it's surreal to see. I went when I went
back to d C.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
I saw I was like, how crazy is that?

Speaker 3 (58:13):
It looks like a movie for real.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
It's I feel like we're in the middle of like
one of these like crazy dystopian like nineties movies, Like
it feels like the beginning of like Demolition Man.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Yeah, when you know the president doing what you want
to do.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
So it's it's it's like, you know, so that's what
that's what it Really Everything is a lot like going
through what I go through, like personally, like trying to
still dreaming big about my career, like trying to chase it,
get after it, like wow.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
That's swiping and being like what do I even what
are we even supposed to do here?

Speaker 3 (58:46):
How do I?

Speaker 4 (58:46):
How do I fall in love? How do I allow
myself to be vulnerable to somebody?

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Like? How do I know? You know? While like while
I'm so like cynical and.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Are you going to therapy?

Speaker 4 (59:00):
I feel like all we all do you know, I
don't know if we all go to the I mean
mostly like you go to like I had, but you know,
they they scheduling and all that a little tricky.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Sometimes.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Have you ever tried mushrooms?

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Oh? Yeah, yesterday, nice, that's why I woke up like today.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Do you feel like shrooms have been therapeutic for you?

Speaker 4 (59:24):
Sometimes sometimes be different than others. Sometimes you do some reflecting,
you know.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Crazy ship is when you get in that like that,
like real deep thought. You start thinking and then you'll
think about something or somebody you either ain't talk.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
To it a bit or you and then you're like, damn,
I gotta call this motherfucker man. I get deep.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
I get deep in thought and why and how? And
I did. Sometimes I'm all over the place.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Sometimes have you had a bad trip?

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Everybody has? You know, those ain't fun.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
What is the worst trip you've had?

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Uh? I just I think I I ain't like that
back my damns bond.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
I just was really like.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Paranoid and like I ain't like it, Like I had
to make myself fall asleep, like to get out of there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
You know now that I know you do you do shrooms?
I went to the Sphere on shrooms in Vegas. The
best ship I ever did in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
I don't know if I like being around too many people, like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
No go up there because you're la.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
So wait until like some I went with DJ Snake
was DJing and like he invited me until he had
a sweet well, I was fucking twacked. We're so we
were high at Giraft pussy up, Off the shoom, Off.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
The shrooms and I hate DM music.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
I wouldn't say hate hates a strong word. I am
not the most d m astute human being. But that
was the first time where I was like, oh, I
get it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Oh that's what happened to me. On first I was like, oh,
we found up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
I was like, I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
I was up in the time man the light show.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
Crazy Yeah, yeah, nohot the drugs man shot to shrooms
only the ecstasy once.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
That was once for me, but yeah, too many times
for me. I felt delayed that ship was I was
shot to the anyway. That's how we in the interview,
we talk about drugs, talking about mushrooms. The album is out.
Everything is a lot on November fourteenth. Yep, there is
a lot of dope. Who was on the album A.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
Leon times ago deal, We got are to Day, we
got Odomotive, black Shave Vibes, we got Wile Flauren on it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Like Chaboozy no pay Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Yeah, great album man. I appreciate you for pulling up brother.
Finally we did it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Thank my dog man, thanks for having me