#615 - Ras Kass Why Album Was Shelved, Misunderstanding Over Alchemist Beat, HRSMN, Coast Contra & More

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Speaker 3 (01:10):
Oh man, thank you brother, thanks for having me. Yes, sir, man,
than you, thank you, thank you. Yo Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
I got to give you props man, because you have
I feel like when we you know, I always say
that there's like certain like guys on this planet who
are just like have like mastered the art of like
lyricism working at it. I feel like you are one
of the like earlier dudes in my life where I
was like, Yo, this, this guy's fucking different, like you Cannabis,

(01:36):
you know, like like this aspect of guys who just
like just mastered you know, just lyricism in a way
that was just so unique. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
I appreciated that.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, man uh. And the other thing I want to
give you props I want to have. The first thing
I want to ask you back is one of the
first songs I ever like, I felt like kind of
sparked my brain as a kid, was Nature of the
Threat on Soul on Ice. That was kind of like
that was I mean, obviously there was like revolutionary like
conscious shit, but that was like the kind of like

(02:06):
the like that record was different.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
I always say that that record was completely selfish. I
liked history. I always liked it, so I was, you know,
I was kind of like a class clown. But then
I was kind of like I'm talking about like in
middle school, yeah, junior high school and shit.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
So I liked.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
History though for some reason, and I was asking questions
that sometimes the teacher didn't answer. So I just really
wrote Nature of the Threat obviously inspired by you know,
karros One You Must Learn and all that type of stuff.
But I was just trying to figure out because I
liked history, I just kind of want to understand.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
You know, things don't happen in the vacuum.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
So I'm trying to understand like seventeen seventy six, but
you know, well how the Mexico.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Not you know, how did it shrink?

Speaker 3 (02:56):
You know, so putting those things in the context, so
I was just kind of right to understand, you know,
the cause and effect of how we end up literally
where we are today. You know what I mean, and
so that's why I did it.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Was was like at that time, did you get any
like like negative feedback from a label or anything.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
It was on my demo. But the thing is I
wrote it.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
And yeah, it was literally on my demo, and then
they I was my whole plan was to to never
put it out on the first album.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
I just wanted to record it because I knew me.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
I was like, I ended up losing my notebook, right,
and then I ain't gonna have a song.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
So I just kind of just went over Voodoo House.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
I laid it, and then my whole point was I'll
put it on my second album because I didn't want
to like band myself. I was like, I'm gonna get
in trouble for the song. So uh then my mom
heard it and she's like you got you got to
put it out and yeah recipes. Yeah, my moms just
like you got to do it. And the label was
pretty they signed me with it, but then they kind

(03:59):
of was like you sure you want to put this
on there, and I was like, my mom told me, so.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
They didn't push a lot, but they kind of were
like maybe not, but we still you know, to their credit.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
They let me, you know, they let me be who
I was.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
It's crazy too because like when we think of like
debut albums, like I feel like so on Ice like
doesn't get mentioned enough, Like it was such a dope project.
Do you feel like obviously do you feel like it's
slept on?

Speaker 4 (04:25):
I did. Here's the bruh.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
My album actually came out a year and a half
later than it was supposed to because we were independent
at Patchworks, and then we got uh you know, we
got the opportunity to have different labels. Uh, you know,
like a bending bar. So you know, there was Death Jam.
It was American Death, American Big ru Ben. I didn't

(04:50):
know Loud. They didn't even tell me Loud gave me
an offer because I would have took Loud.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Hey that checks out because they X at the times
on Loud.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
Well, he wasn't on Loud yet he had my beat.
The Licks were on Loud.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
Ye, the I think were the first artists maybe maybe yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
And then they had Wu Tang so they had a
squad over there, and then you know, I picked priority
because it was I was afraid of Death Jam. I
was like, it's you know, it's big dogs I'm this
young dude and I didn't want to go, and I
was like, I'm gonna get to New York all the
time the son go wrong. So kind of the logic
was to pick a label that was based in LA
so I could at least go try to you know,

(05:29):
create rapport with the relationship, you know, with with with
my projects.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
But I didn't know loud it made that offer and.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Wh wh why didn't you know?

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Was it just because.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
My production team the offer was lower, so they didn't
even let me know because they wanted the money and
depth jam.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Were so many artists get fucked up because they work
with managers and they work with production companies.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Right, who I'm a different agenda.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Well, because at the end of the day, like they
don't got to recoup, right, you got to reach right.
They just want that front end bag because they don't
get their cut off the wrist right on top of man.
So who's got the bigger bag? Let's go right?

Speaker 3 (06:07):
And that's they Because I didn't even know that until
like two years ago. It was on some call and
then breathkins like you like he's like he said, you know,
you're the only person I ever made the offer to
that didn't sign to me.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
I was like news to me. Never knew that Wild.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, so cut it should have would because I would
have went to of course def Jam, but it was
far right, you know.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
I was just like Prior, more like a West Coast base.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah, it was West Coast BA, but Loud was a
hip hop label and it was new. It was in La, right,
you know what I'm saying. And they had the squad
so Brian Shafton, Brian Turner, Dave Wyner, Yep, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
That's crazy. And they had didn't they I think I had.
Me and Shafton were talking about this because I think
they had also in that building, like they had some
sort of deal with black Market Records and brothers.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Of course they did all the Independence, so all the
Bay independence, they were the distributor. Yeah. So yeah, all
all the Bay people. We were in the CNN building.
So that was always kind of for fun seeing Wolf
Blitzer and show.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah. I always was curious. So you've been a part
of like what kind of two cruise groups?

Speaker 4 (07:19):
Yeah, you will super groups.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
So because I think like three card Molly is one
of the dopest like posse cuts ever and it's kind
of mad because I don't think Exhibit did it at
Ryan Fest and I was like, bro, this is the
three card Molly fucking crowd.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Do it here, you know what. You know what's funny.
He asked me to go to Ryan Plass. I didn't
make it. I had to do something else, and so
he was like when he hit me, he was like, yo,
you want to come out, and I was like, bro,
I was like, I can't make it. So he probably
didn't do it because you weren't there.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
I mean yea, because he would have just did it
one like one one.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Would have more impact, it would have been more funk,
and I start that record out, So I think that's
probably why he didn't do it.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
So shouts out of X. I just saw him Monday.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Man killing it. His album was amazing.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah yeah man, yep, king Maker.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
So you end up, uh, there's this like it's it's
kind of like the detox of West Coast groups, the
Golden State Warriors.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yes, you're right, the greatest idea that never right happened.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Like you guys had decided like the Golden State Warriors
were a thing, and then the actual team was like
not no, right, right, right, So break down what happened
with with the group.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
So, so's obviously Exhibit and absolutely we love him, we
love him, we love him, love alone from them. But anyway,
so we become the group Exhibit. We always we do
songs with each other's albums.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Uh, because you're on at the Speed of Life.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah, yeah, his first I'm on like the first three
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
So yeah, plastic surgery, so fear, you know whatever. So
we start doing this thing and didn't Exhibit bitch please pops.
So he's got a lot more visibility and then it
gets this label offer, open bars, this label and then
he gets his offer. So one of the things he
wants to do is like the group roll, let's go now.

(09:21):
And then that with that much attention, that's when the
basketball team is like, fuck y'all, y'all gonna be nothing.
You are not the Golden State Warriors.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
How many records did you guys have working on it?

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Like seven? We just never finished.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Honestly, this is again you know agenda the label, Uh,
the my particular label, Party Records, all of a sudden
wanted so much from Exhibit.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
It got crazy. We need two songs on each sound track,
like whoa, he's not.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Signing it's on fire right in order for us to
let him.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
I'm like, and I'm like, you're an idiot. He's given
us the layup.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
This is gonna help my ship, and you guys got.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
They drug it out for a year and we lost
the situation. Like it was really heartbreaking, And that's kind
of when I really soured with the label because it
was just like, now it just seems like y'all purposely
trying to destroy the career, like broke giving us the
alley oop. He's on the M and am out of
the dre stuff, and all he's saying is and he's
gonna get us a bag, and y'all gonna get a

(10:32):
piece of my bag anyway.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Right right, Like y'all gonna get and.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Then and then the record's gonna go platinum what it
gonna be.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
But I just it was kind of like there's a
saying in a breakord contract that it's basically it says
if you can suit from breach of contract if the
label was unable and or unwilling to execute its duties.
So at that point, I was like unable to just
they're not capable. They don't get it unwilling. It's like sabotage.

(11:03):
And that's when I started feeling like, y'all sabotage in
this ship now. And that's when I you know.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Well, because there is a yeah, I don't know how
many people know. I mean, for as a kid, I
went to the warehouse Christln Maull in Phoenix, Arizona, and
I had assassination already and sol on Ice and waiting
for Van Go. I got this fucking demo CD. I
forget what all was on this demo demo there.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Was, yeah, it was Sampler. That was I think host
about like I think.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
There was a Djin.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Might have been case and kid Capri and I just.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Remember burning that ship out. You had the Alchemist record
on there, right, which was fucking crazy. Van Go doesn't
end up coming out until you did a version of
it like seven years ago, put.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
The record the way it was.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Yeah, so was this so so I want to get
into the Alchemist thing, but first I want to go
figure out what happened with so the Samplers out.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
It feels like the momentum is going, so are you
that when you're like, fuck, y'all, well, this is again
unable and or unwilling.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
So here's the play.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
You guys had fucking ads in the magazine.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
And all we're going. So here's the thing. All as well,
we've already pressed up the vinyl. We pressed up vinyl
for a single, the single that I'm that I perform
on starring Buck Wold had a cable show in New
York and Money Love was the host also, and so

(12:41):
I performed this song and I also put it on
Case Slave's mixtape. It's called Home, Sweet Home. It's the
alchemist be great song. So the label says, uh, you
should you know this is when the irritating thing. They're like,
you should have Exhibit on this song. I'm like, you
fucking groupies. He's on two other ones. We got the

(13:02):
NBA record and I had this song called sex the
Jelly Roper dude. So I'm like, I'm not putting bro
on every song I say. And I remember I said,
if you wanted to sign Exhibit, you should have signed it.
Don't start trying to pimp me out to over use
my homeboy, that's whack. And this I like this song.
How I did this song. I'm gonna leave the song
how it is. But they end up taking.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
There trying to like use your relationship with your friend
and like over pimp it out, Like yo, come on, guys,
like I got you.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
There's two on here already, Relax, you know what I mean.
So the vinyls getting manufactured on the lull we got
it's got Storch. We got a Kanye record, We got
a blah blah blah like my records fire.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Uh and Kanye like way before Kanye is Kanye?

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Right?

Speaker 3 (13:56):
No, no, you still got jay Z know what I'm saying,
Like he's like a also he's just a but long story,
be sure. What happens with Van Go is that's when
the label gets sold. So party gets They bought Capital
and I bought half and let Brian still run it
Brian Turner. And then they they bought the other share,

(14:20):
the like the controlling share, and phased him out. And
so basically my album was I remember I went in
to like the new vice president that was coming in
h and and they gave me a you know, they
gave me a spill. They said, because my record was
like coming out in a week the c these were manufactured,
I should have grabbed the box. I'm in the idiots

(14:41):
and they said, look, nobody did their job because the
song was backing up for Van Go. We had shot
that video too, that was the single single, uh rick
rock right. But and so they said, look, we're gonna
put it out. It probably won't. It's not going to
say because nobody radio department didn't do nothing because everybody

(15:03):
was waiting thinking they're gonna get fired, so they busy
send out their resumes. Motherfuckers was just trying to pay
the bill. So it's like, you got two options. What
was told to me was we could put it out
and then it won't perform and then get dropped, or
let us make amends. We pulled the album. We'll give

(15:26):
you some more money and we're gonna treat you like
the Marque artists that you deserve to be there. It's
like the only people that's gonna really end up staying
here is gonna be you and Snoop Dogg. I'm like,
I can live with that because because ice Q only
have he put out his last one, he was done,
he had fulfilled his obligations.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
So they were just like.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
So I was like, fuck, you know, I'll stick it out,
checks out, stick it out, I'll stick it up. Stupidest
decision I ever made. I should have just let Van
go go. But I mean when people telling agent and
then I would have went wherever I wanted to go.
I could have signed the exhibit, whatever the fuck I
wanted to do. I was an idiot, But you know
I processed that. I talked to my friends, you know,

(16:04):
you know, people in the industry, and.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Honestly, way different industry landscape back then, right, But I
know how year is this.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
It's like two thousand, yeah, yeah, about two thousand, maybe
two thousand and one is And so I was just like, okay,
I'll stick it out and uh uh yeah, and the
rest is history.

Speaker 4 (16:23):
Literally.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
So I want to revisit because obviously your song ends
up being Jada Kiss, We're Gonna Make It, which is
a classic classic.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
It's a classic.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Now it sounds like there's an obvious lot of confusion
going on with your situation, right, So in retrospect, breakdown
how Jada ends up with that record and how the
conflict with Al ends up as well.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
What we decided. I just saw Al, uh, you know,
having a legendary run. He's killing it. So our thing
is we just call it. We had them misunderstanding, we're
moving forward. Miscommunication, miscommunication.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
There was a lot of parts.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
That record because think about it, Van Gold didn't come
out dry, so it went to where it was supposed
to go to be exposed. And it's you know, they
did a great job. I feel like I did a
great job. Al obviously produced it. So he killed at
the beach crazy and uh, you know, we made our piece.
So you know what I'm saying, like our ours. First

(17:33):
of all, we're probably gonna do some joints. Great, you know,
we're gonna do some joints. And it was really cool
when I when I saw him at Havoc, at the
mob Deep at Lease party, It's like it wasn't a
lot of people, it was you know what I like upstairs.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
For it was at this walked Supreme spot exactly.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
The Supreme Spot was there too.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah, So I walked up on them and I got
a couple of shots with my cousin.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
I was with s Class Beats, but there was a
couple of us.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
We walked upstairs, you know, dap everybody up and then
just uh a hugut.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Was that the first time you seen him in a while?

Speaker 4 (18:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Oh wow?

Speaker 3 (18:11):
And I knew he knew he knew I was going
to see him, and I knew I was going to
see him because have and stormed those my guys, like
my last album, the Gutter Album, half did all the production,
having did off from my deep, so it was dope.
Hugged him like what a nig I can't even call
him nigga.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
I'm like, what a nigga?

Speaker 3 (18:26):
And then he's good man. He was like, bro, I
want to do the flyd mics. I was like, yeah, man,
I'd be dope.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
So I think it's like a thing if you guys
could just get one in. Yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
That's what that's that's what we're planning going to do.
But he out there with Premiere. I think right now.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
He's in Europe with Yeah. It's kind of crazy. Yeah,
I was telling out amazing. I was like, bro, you
got to have a clone or something like. He's got
all these albums at the same time. He's promoting them
at once, and he's torn with Freddy, but then he
drops a hit boy album and then he's doing movie
premieres and now he's with pre I'm like.

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are also a father of uh some incredible talents.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Thank you than.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
For people who don't know who are your sons.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
My sons are Raz Austin and Taj Austin. They're twins
in a group called Coast Contra.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Coast Contra has been.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Rocking.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
I think they kind of brought back like I wouldn't
say they brought back the freestyle thing, but like they
literally created a buzz and and just.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Off of free style, like watch, we're gonna rap and
it's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
And it's a thing now. Yeah, man, how cool has
that been for you? As a father?

Speaker 3 (21:31):
It's for one, it's surreal to me, you know, Like
I remember I remember then asking me to go to
a showcase. Yeah, and uh, you know we're doing songs together,
but I hadn't seen them perform. And I remember when
I went in, Uh, I saw my homeboy do them
tone Lopez, Uh, tone from here. Yeah, And so I

(21:54):
see my homie at this kind of like young boy.
You know, everybody most of the music is maybe a
little more of wavier, trappier, you know what I'm saying.
So I'm you know, I kind of you know, I'm
enjoying it, but I'm kind of like, you know, we're
like the OG's in the spot right and I'm like,
what you're doing here? He's like, I came to check
out these dudes. There's this other group who's awesome too.

(22:15):
And then he's like what you're doing here? I'm like, oh,
my kids is performing, you know, moral support. Anyway, they rocked,
and I remember he was like, Yo, who them niggas?
I was like, that's my kids here, and so he
just fell in love with him. He actually put him
on their first tour, the Core Day shit some Tone.
Tone is like Chris Brown's tour manager and all that,

(22:35):
so he like that relationship, open that door. But I
remember thinking, like when I looked at him, because I
was like, I thought they were good, but I'm.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Biased, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
So I couldn't get I couldn't even say if I
if I liked it or not because I felt like
I was gonna be biased. But then when Tone was like, yo,
the niggas is dope, and I was like, okay, all right,
so it's not my bias, it's actually that they are dope.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
So almost like they went just like the raz Cast
School of Rackets.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
They got it on his on both sides. The mom
can write Tjer Moses, she's a writer, she can. Yeah,
so they got it on both sides. Yes, that was yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
a great career. Yeah right, her ass offing games crazy
her and Neo, they was like that was all our
click ping gang Neo ping gang sick you right, So yeah, nah,

(23:21):
they got it on us on both sides. Man, I'm excited.
I'm excited because they stuck to again. People were suggesting
be trappy or do this, and they were just like
bars the same.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
There's enough of that ship out there, right, Like had
they came out as like a four person group doing
that kind of music, they might not have made it right.
It's just it's not It's not like there's a missing
piece of of of like you know, the marketplace that
needs to be filled. And I feel like especially from

(23:53):
the younger, just.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
From a younger generator. And you know what was super cool.
I was shouts out to day she played for one.
I definite wanted to thank him.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Uh. He invited me, amongst other people to the premiere
of his new Netflix special but Thundercat.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
I ain't seen Thundercat in a while, so he's super.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
He waves in, He's like, Yo, your kid's album, This
new album is fucking phenomenal. I'm like, they will fucking
freak out when when I you know what I'm saying
when I tell him that, like because they're a fan,
they're students, you know what I'm saying. So it was
really nice, Like, you know, thunder everybody a lot of
people don't know always know they're my kids, you know
what I'm saying, because they don't lean into that. They're

(24:33):
they're you know, trying to pay their own and blaze
their own trails, you know.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Real. And then the one dude is he's also like
a Spanish artist, Yeah Columbia. Yeah, well like because him
and my artists have like done like Spanish music together, bro,
And I was like, yo, that's.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
Him, bro, Columbiano.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
So they came, they all came the rastage and Rio
Los came together. When they graduated high school, there was seventeen.
So when they came out here, there's a third guy,
you know what I mean. I'm like, you know, I
remember one time I talked to his mom straight Spanish.
She don't speak English like that, you know what I'm saying.

(25:08):
So that's really Kim, you know what I'm saying. So yeah,
he a bar out and then he bar out in
Spanish like he goes.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
It's crazy man.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, and Eric too, like and they met Eric uh
out here yeah, but uh, like I guess like a
month or so once he like give a guy some
gumption and apparently drove out here like fucked that. I
want to ride like from Philly. So they don't kids,
and they they kept it true to themselves and I'm
grateful that the culture gave them an opportunity.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
That's what I wanted to learn.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, on Assassination, you had Dre on the album, and
it was kind of like that weird like point in
time in Dre's career where like he left death Row
the Chronic two thousand and one hadn't dropped yet. I
think the only thing that came out was like the
Aftermath album, and so it was like Drey was got
kind of in limb. What's what what's your relationship with Dre? Like,

(26:02):
and like just talk about getting him.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
I don't, I don't speak to I don't. I don't
have a negative relationship with Dre. I think everybody just
kind of uh goes in their directions.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
He's he's got Dre said something to mean once that
was incredible.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
He basically said he gave me his like top five
h mcs on like MTV or something, and then I
ran into him and then he was like, you know,
I give you, you know, with my top five and
I was like, I know, everybody text me.

Speaker 4 (26:34):
I heard He's like he's like, I.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Don't have to.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
He's like basically said, I don't have to gas like you.
He's like, my grandchildren ain't got to be shipped. The
implication being he can fuck off the bag, his kids
can funk off the bag, and their grandchildren could funk
off the bag. His great grandkids would still be fine.
I was like, bar so, yeah, No, he's always I've
learned a lot from him. I know him and exhibit

(26:57):
have like a lot, you know, a lot more be poor.
I haven't seen song for something. So it was, you know,
had a positive interaction.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
And then did you ever like help him writing or anything.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Well, I mean I did some writing over there obviously
for Ghettle Fabulis. I wrote that verse. You know what
I'm saying. Oh, that's another thing he said. He was like,
you know, because he's never been like a dude that
like acts like he writes the ill. No, he's never
fronted that way. So he's always about like wanting to
get the best verses. So you know, yeah, I did,

(27:27):
I did some writing some of the suff he nothing
I did landed except for my record, the Ghetto Fabulous record.
But uh yeah, man, he's brilliant and his grandchildren ain't
got to be shiped when you.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Look back at that album, because that was It's funny
because I mean, I was born in eighty seven, right
when that album comes out.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Me too, Me too, you were born lives, I tell.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
But emotionally it's because that Assassination was the first album
years I had, and then I went to the warehouse
and found so and I years, Wow. Wow, you know
what I'm saying, What do you do when you think
about because I thought there were some bangers on that album,
and that's.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
I'm the kid right before Eminem.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Well that's the album that made me like a fan
of yours. But like and like, I'm like so disconnected
from like narratives and shit, I'm like this shit's hard.
But then like you hear like people be like I
was disappointing or you know, it wasn't so long. Ice, Like,
when you think back of the second album, what are
your thoughts?

Speaker 4 (28:31):
I think it's the same album.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
I always tell people that, so on Ice, I mean,
obviously I had an opportunity to work with Doctor Dre.
I'm not an idiot. I had an opportunity to work
with Easy Mob and Rizza.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
Fuck that.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
I mean of course I was going to a vampire.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
So I mean, but here's the rub. I remember Dre.
I mean, I don't want to keep talking about Dre,
but I remember later on Dre was like after Ghetto
Fabulous and all that and Assassination come out, he was
just like, you ain't going to be a star if
you stay at that label, because think about it, he
gives me the ali Oop. The only the dude right

(29:09):
after me is Eminem and they get it right. They
do it right. They knocked out the park. So if
my company had just done halfway decent, he gave me
the ali Oop, gave me a fire beat that everybody
knew to tango track, Like you know what I'm saying,
matc Tin is popping over with no limit. And no
he wasn't no limit yet. He was still with Cuban

(29:31):
them west Side Connection. So they set me up for
when and then you know, I don't know why my
company was either unable or unwilling. And I remember Dre
because I was a little dejected because then they blamed me.
Damn they said that, Like I was like, really, like.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Because that was your last album on priority essentially.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
Yeah, because exactly And then it was supposed to be
Golden Child.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Golden Child, yes, right.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
So because I had to keep it was either put
out Van Gogo and fumble or Pollar record and do
a Golden Child.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
And that's why I had.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, I had like the Napster days, I had Golden Child.
It was on the internet.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Yeah, that's early by Wiles.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
I burned the CD as you should, but it wasn't
like it still isn't out right, and then we came out,
but it's all it's out though.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
I mean it exists, Yeah, but I never put it.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, are you glad that elked? I mean, because that
whole album is out. I would rather because I'm like,
I remember having that ship in my CD book.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
But it was because you burned it.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
It was on napstre I mean, I'm glad, you know
the point of uh, that was.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Really an early first time like a full unreleased album
had come out and never dropped.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
Right.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
I have some unfortunate first I definitely do, but I
would rather people hear it. And Jazzy Jeff he had
an interview where he said, die empty. So what's the
point of keeping this ship? Yeah, yeah, don't keep it?
So I'm glad at least the world got to hear
it with all the hard work of people investing in

(31:08):
producing it, mixing and mastering it, giving me features, you know, singing,
whatever the fuck that whole process. For nobody to hear
it would be even more of a tramal Yeah. Yeah,
so fucking I'm glad. I'm glad that.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Gave You're impossible for you to ever drop it officially
because of all the moving.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
PA I could, because I don't think they even give
a fuck about it.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, just throw it up.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Yeah, some vinyls and ship. Yeah, I might.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Talk to me about how you end up coming because
there's another guy who's the alien r J. Pain. Yeah,
doctor Dre also loves Yes, Yes, absolutely, Yeah, you guys
end up dropping this joint project with Travoc last year.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Better, How does this come come come about?

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Because uh Pain, you know obviously you know you know
his freestyles, and I think I think I recall he
may have reached out to me. I'm sure we followed
each other like some ship, you know what I'm saying,
Just like ro Dope, I can't take from somebody what

(32:13):
God gave him, you know what I mean. So, and
then I think at some point communication was like, yo,
could you do a verse for me? Like yeah, fuck yet,
and then vice versa. So it started from there just
mutual respect. Then somebody asked somebody.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
For a verse. I don't maybe it was me asking him.
I don't. I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
But and then at some point have was like I
had I had told Havoc one time about this idea.
I was like, I'm a fan of want a mob
deep album, right, And at this time it just you know,
he had passed. We were in Uh, we were in
like uh, we were in Texas.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
We were in a h not Houston. Anybody does abat it,
but we were.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
We were at the same he was, I was hosting,
he was performing anyway, and I was like, you should
out out.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
You can never duplicate MYB deep.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
What could be cool is get an East Coast rapper,
but not nobody from Queens because it's gonna be direct comparison.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
That will never be my deep.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Like get a Philly nigga, get a Brooklyn nigga, and
get another nigga from somewhere else me.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
That was my pitch.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
I was like me, get me, get a West Coast dude,
to get an East Coast but not from Queens and
at least, you know what I'm saying, at least there's
an outlet to get on some grimy ship because I
missed that, you know what I'm saying. And uh so
he thought about it and eventually one day he was like, Yo,
we should do it. And then he was like, I
like that r J payin Nigga too. And then I

(33:38):
was like, bro, I'm gonna call him, and you know
what I'm saying. I asked him, you know, like, would
you be interested in rockle with me and Haley on
the project. He obliged and and we got some crazy
records on there. The math re recer with me, Meth
fame for Bmo Peek Sway Sway.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
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Speaker 3 (33:58):
But him like he the family a rapping on this shit.
You're talking to shit and uh uh you know, Ray
Kwan want.

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(35:10):
dot com. Is it is it like? I feel like,
at least this year, it feels like and I think
the clips have a lot to do with it, obviously,
Freddie put out. I mean, there's been some great hip hop,
but I do feel like, you know, it feels like
the narrative is starting to shift a bit that hip

(35:32):
hop is a young man's.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Sport you think you think still, no, I I.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Think that like over the last decade people are like, yo,
if you're if you're an old head or what. But
I do feel like, you know, this year has kind
of shifted that thought.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
Oh okay, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
With you know where it's like, hey, man, like at
the end of the day, like bars.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Bars, look at nads. I mean, nas is having a fun.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
And I also think there's something to be said that,
like you like, like, you know, there are people who
might stream, but they might have a shitty deal, right,
you know, they can't sell any fucking tickets, right, Really
about like how can you like really monetize and like
super serve whatever fan base you had, right, right, however
big or small, it is, right and just make the

(36:15):
best possible music and then when you do that, like
it can fucking reach the masses.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Like I mean, I mean at this point, you just
gave a very good example. How come it's surfing out here?

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Oh my god, come on, man, it is it.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Is and he's not you know, he was born in
eighty seven too. I'm just saying we're we're just as
young as you.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, how was og at this point?

Speaker 4 (36:35):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I mean, dude, that's the first mob deep album he
got a placement on, and that's fucking that's that's no, no,
not Hell on Earth. Sorry it was murder music. But nonetheless,
it's just crazy because I just like, just be done.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Like you said, the narrative has shifted from it's it's
a young.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Posting on r J Payne freestyle, and I'm like, maybe
we got a chance here.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
You know, I think talent superseded and nobody had ever
created that narrative in any other genre before. So that
was a weird thing that we created this agism and
rap nobody did agent. Nobody tells fucking Dolly Parton that
are titch that she shouldn't have big tits and singer
country western songs. That's like everybody for rap. It got weird,

(37:21):
and so I'm glad that we were destroying that, and
it really got destroyed by people putting out superior product.
You know what I'm saying, the clips superior product, the
soul superior product.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
It's just I can't wait to hear the na Preme
wil it.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Comes out tomorrow night fucking a does it?

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yes? Next Weekend's see the next Friday or tomorrow or tonight.
Actually it's Thursday. Wowne. OKAYO you end up on the
WWF Aggression album.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Yes, I'm a huge I'm.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
A huge wrestling fan behind you. Absolutely, you're on the
trileh song mystical? Yes, how does that happen? In like
like like that's but because this is straight attitude era,
the fucking best time in wrestling, they put out a
fucking album where all these rappers are remixing the theme
songs and ship.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
That that those are the brainchilds of Parorty Records. They always,
for some reason they would get most of the soundtrack
and they pitched it and and and kind.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Of paired us.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
I probably would say Andrew Shack may have called those
audibles impaired me with misico who I was. I'm a
fan of music beat and you know what I'm saying.
And so yeah, that was kind of corporate uh suit
thinking at its finest. That's when they did a good job.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Like that's back then it's not as easy to email you.
Are you in a mystical getting in or is that like.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
You go in the studio. Yeah, yeah, I had to
go recurd ship.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
There was no there was yeah, yeah, there was no Yeah,
there was no pro I mean yeah, there wasn't even
pro toos R back then.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
I don't think probably not, Yeah, I don't think it
was pro tools just.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Real yeah, and yeah you gotta go in there and
go say yo ship and then take the two big
ass rails and bring them somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
What what you know, you were kind of a part
of so many errors of what I would call like
the underground.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
You know, I am the Forrest Gump of hip hop.
I've been everywhere. I'm in every picture, right.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
I mean true though, because like you're a part of
this like West Coast like renaissance with the X and
and it's it's very much like it's very underground esque
because like at that same time you got like dilated
people and all that and like J five and and
then like you end up on like though like like
raucous record ship like the lyrics clown like and then

(39:43):
you're like a lot of a lot of wood tang ship,
the day Walker, man, I'm all over the day. What
was kind of like your favorite era of just the
underground rap ship because it feels like it's always evolving.
Like I feel like nowadays underground hip hop is like
they're like super like weird gothic kids who like wear

(40:05):
like fucking giant pants and like are like like idolized
Playboy CARDI.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Like, right, right, I don't know if I have a
favorite era, I do, you know, I think of I
think a Unity Man rest in Peace, Big of Bee,
who also worked at.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Loud at abb Record.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
Yeah, so that was because.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
That's where a lot of people met, right, yeah, yeah,
you know that's Look. My best friend's brother is Raka.
Oh wow, so I've known, right, my best friend I've
known since three His big brother is Iris Science Wow.
So I kind of came up like as like a
little dirty white kid taking.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
In all this shit, you know, but you know, so
you are you are already, but you so you started
this ship when.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
I was artist. When I was fourteen years old, I
was chilling in a Fat Beat's office fucking for the
Expansion Team release thing. Rod Digger perform that fucking Then
there was the release show with I think J five. Yeah,
like we're coming out here to La my parents by
the way, very liberal with allowing me to get in
the car with my sixteen year old homie and drive

(41:12):
the Los Angeles. But yeah, change my life. What do
you feel like? I always say this, like, uh, there
isn't enough of There's so much travesty going on in
the world right now, stuff that I feel like there
that should be represented in hip hop more musically, we

(41:37):
talked about nature of the threat. Obviously you've worked with
a mortal. I always say, who's our immortal technique? Right now?
We don't have like somebody who's like and maybe I'm
just like missing out on it because there are people
who are speaking up in shit, But there's so much
going on that what's going on in Gaza geopolitically, there's.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
A lot happening in the zone. Man.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
It's like, I just I did a song.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
I did a song on a free EP That ep
is called FOP fuck Around find Out, And I got
a song called who the Victim? And that ship's like
one of them epic six minute songs. I mean, I
can make it. If nobody listens, that's not my fa I.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Just I just think I think back then, it's like
we think about like I guess the conscious hip hop
was was was semi commercial back in the day, like
it had there was like gold Records, you know what
I like? Yeah, like Common was catching blacks, right, I
just like I just I just don't know who that
is like now, like that that is like on like

(42:34):
at least like from a certain generation that maybe still
has like like crazy commercial viability. That's just like, yo,
let me put out a crazy record that just breaks
people's brains.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
I think, uh, I think j I D sometimes j
I D. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, So I
mean he said some you know.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Like Denzel Curry is incredible and he just removed all
his music from streaming services in Israel. So if you're
in Israel, you can't listen to to Denzel Korey.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
And I.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Can't ruin it. It's people making stands. We all do
our part and and and some people's platforms are going
to be bigger than others.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
My thing is like I used to learn from music, right,
but just to catch gems. I'm like, wait, I didn't
what like talk about your.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Song you must learn from me? I was it was
facts in there, you know.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Like there's ship where you're like damn, like like people
used to be able to like learn ship, and I'm like,
who's like putting like you know what I'm saying, Like
if I'm like like, I feel like it'd be dope
if with someone like you know, like a J I
D or someone in that generation just said, Hey, I'm
gonna do ten joints and it's gonna be fucking radical.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
Put put it out there in the universe.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Who would you want?

Speaker 3 (43:54):
They got to be smart enough qualified to at least
speak on it. See, that's the thing some people's true
because I don't know Michael.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Felt people to just throw some ship out in the
world and then people be like, well, that's not even
like let me fact check this song, right, huh. I
don't know, man who is very stooped. I think Jad
he is a prettiest stude guy.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Yeah, he comes off and comes never mat but he
comes off his I think I like that word to
a stud who would really fuck the ship, Like we
just got gn X from Kendrick. Can you imagine and
that's like all bops?

Speaker 4 (44:28):
Right?

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Can you imagine if he followed up with like in
the Universe the Public Enemy ship.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
He could pull an all star cast and murder death
Kill it, and he's the guy that could get Chuck
d on the hook with blah blah blah. I mean,
let's come on, top dog, come on man, let's put
it together.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Break because I remember there was like a discussion about
how you had almost had a situation with Jay Z
and Rockefeller West. Is that something like what break that down?

Speaker 3 (45:02):
They were starting the bunt of Rockefeller West. We were
label made so Jay jay Z's first album rehe down priority,
So then uh and then party fumbled on him, but
he had out the biggest completely fumbuddy.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
And good for him that they fled. He might career, he'd.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Be he definitely wouldn't trust and but he had it out.
I didn't have the same out that Jay had. He
got in and out one out. Well, what it is
is he was in a production deal. So his production deal,
you gotta remember it was Rockefeller Freeze Priority, which is
Todd Terry Freeze was Todd Terry. Todd Terry made all

(45:43):
his money producing house songs. You black dude, but he
made house music for Madonna, so his bag was cra
So when they wanted when Pararty fucked up Jay and
then were able to hit Todd and say drop us
and not severed the connection, and then Jay immediately went
to death.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Jam.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
If I could have got part I mean, I'm right,
if I could have got fucking patchworks at the time.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
To technically, Warre and g saved the label deaf Jam. Technically, yeah,
there was there was.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
There was a time for a long stretch where and
you know big Snoop is.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
But in Europe it was Warren.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
I don't think people understand the Warren g run Bro.
It was fucking crazy.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
He bro.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
We'd be doing festivals and you know in La what
you would expect in New York. Warren was the man
like Big Records, Big they hit that. He picked the
right ship.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
So you and Z label made yeah. So yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (46:42):
They brought me in one summer. I swear we just
had this conversation last night. This is crazy that you
that you So I'm living at Jay had two apartments
his uh one sixty. I forgot what it is State
Street anyway, it's this apartment, uh, you know, gated in
downtown Brooklyn by the by the big gass clock in

(47:05):
Brooklyn State Street. So I'm standing there, Tata his guy
taught you, yeah, right hand and be high.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
His cousin.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
So I stayed for the summer to you know, to
create some music and see if if it's a good fit.
And then uh he uh, I fumbled. I fumbled on
the one we went. I feel like, what what what
the music was coming out?

Speaker 4 (47:37):
Though. We went out to a club one night. Me,
it's just me and Jay.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
What year is this? Two thousand somewhere.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Not tety seven? Is sho okay? Okay, because this is
before rassassination. I go out there working onsasination. That's why
I had that the Waterproof jazz O produced it. So yeah,
So we went out that night. I had been there
for like a month. Blue came my or other cousin
Blue can't be as blue, that's our cousin Blue Vinci,

(48:06):
so he would they would come, you know what I'm saying,
come hang out with me. But long story short, we
went to a club one night and there was some tension.
It was some beef. I won't mention the other people,
but it's just me and Jay and uh this was

(48:27):
a really big, like goon size, and I remember like
Jay was cool as a fiddle and then one of
the niggas.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
Like you you you were you with him?

Speaker 3 (48:37):
And I'm like, yeah, I mean, like, you know, that's
the homie man I came with, bro, you know what
I'm saying. So I started drinking Hennessy because I'm just like,
we're gonna get fucked up tonight. Like these niggas big.
I know, Jay a tall nigga, but these niggas is
goons are like four of them. I'm like, we're gonna
get fucked up. So I started drinking, preparing to get
beat up because if they if they fire on Jay,

(48:58):
then I got.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
You know, you gotta be you gotta be.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
A little ass.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
So I'm like, fuck, I'm as well just numb. I mean,
I'm a numb up ahead of time. So I got
really really drunk, and then Jay jumped on the mic
and barred out spin some ship party packedge five you
know what I'm saying. Whatever, And he barred out and
then he's like, I got my I got my man
out here from La Rads Cat's crowd with me. I'm
so drunk, I can't say my I'm fumble. That was

(49:23):
one of my biggest kid of shit. So and I
remember it just I lost the crowd. I lost the momntum,
you know which is why I take this shiit seriously.
But it was I felt like I should have got
credit because I was prepared for us to get beat up,
you know so, But but when it's time to spit
them bars, you got to do your stuff. Nobody wanted

(49:44):
to could a shita would us? So I fumbled on
the one and I think from there dissipated and it
was the relationship was never the same again.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
So at that point in time, he was already plotting
doing a West Coast version of Rockefeller, because that's early
ninety seven, is like Rockefeller is not like no, no,
you know, yeah, I mean he was up because ninety
seven Volume one comes out in ninety seven, right.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
Right, yeah, probably value one.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah, so obviously he's still fucking jay Z.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
But yeah, well hen fucked around, you know, he went
from zero to like gold to platinum, and then it was.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Like, yeah, once volume two happened, it was like, should say, oh,
this is because then he headlines a hard Knock Life tour,
which was crazy. The DMX shdn't the headline that, if
I'm just being honest, at that time, it's kind of crazy.
Resting piece of DMX.

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sure you shoot them a visit. Talk to me about
the four Horsemen thing. It feels like one of the
more like interesting, a lot of weird moving parts. You
guys ended up putting on an album I think was
a part of that.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I call it. I call it
our debut debut finale.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Yeah, one and done. Huh.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
I was like, clothes absolutely, I literally got I called
it the Last Ride or something like that. That was
the name of the album. My whole ship and I
said at the end of the album, I was like, yeah,
this is this is our debut finale. We did one
one and done. Fuck this shit, put a fork in it.
I think I said some ship like that on the last.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Song, but it was It's hard.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Look, man, it's hard being in a group with one
like think about it, Pete Rock and sales move or
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Not many groups last.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
It's hard because there's a lot of That's why I
look at coach cons I'm like, damn that, you know,
with that many different people, personalities, ego, potentially all these
other things, external factors. Some some dudes, girl might be
bedroom talking him. They you the best, baby, fuck them
and it could really go wrong. So with that being said,

(52:07):
there's four of us with different careers. They also have
different parachutes. Hill Breeze got Wu Tang Clan, Corrupt, got
dog pound Snoop Cannabis. At the time, he still got
fucking Lauren Hill and all that time. Job right, no, no, no, now,
But I'm talking about back then.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Back then, he back then, back then cannabis has the
white class.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
He got white clubs. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
I'm kind of the only one without a squad, so
we could never get it all the way together. And
then I'm fucking I'm gonna tell the truth. We worked
on the songs we had, like originally we had like
we gonna be seven songs, and then uh, I went
to jail and by the time I came out, Uh,

(52:53):
this ship is out like it's bootleg you get here,
but it's eight. It's that So so we got But
I don't know who did well. Hilopriice always said, Dreddy
treddi Coueger from in New York, excuse me, bootleged us.
But we didn't get no money and the songs wasn't mixed.
So my whole thing was COVID gave me an opportunity

(53:14):
because I still had all the you know, all the sessions, right,
you know, we all did. We had the right to
have the sessions. But they don't be giving a fuck.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
Corrupt. I ain't gonna hold on session. You don't care,
you know what I mean. So I had, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Like corrupts the kind of guy you just tell him
when and where to show up.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Right, and then he's gonna bar it out and he's
gonna kill he gonna come up with a great hook.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
But me, I'm sei.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Responsible with the music ship, with the organization, you know,
and so I just kind of I was working on
some albums and then I remember I had you know,
it was COVID. I was lied down time, so I
was just you know, I was able to. I just
remember I just was scrolling through my hard drive and
uh yeah, my flash drive and it's said Horseman. I

(53:54):
opened it and I saw this incomplete shit. I was like,
you know what, we should just do it. I'll just
put it all again. Sort of cool thing was I
put all these records together. You know, I kind of
had the glue take one verse from here, this Cannabis
verse from this one. And then I started kind of
finding production because you know what I'm saying, some of
the production was outdated.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
Find some new beans curated around that. You know.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
You know, Chino excel Rect of Peace laid one of
the probably. I told him it was the MVP verse
of that album. But and then the cool thing we
did was my man Glitch. His name is Gift the Glitch.
He's like a visual he was crazy man. So he
did all the artwork. We made a we made a

(54:39):
poster about Bumph the size of you know, but it
was square right, yeah, like that whatever, And we went
dro to Vegas, went to Corrupt House, put put the
album cover pitch up and I said, don't say nothing,
and I just pressed play and then uh, and.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
This is all He's just hear these verses for the
first time. When I do why did I record this?

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Right, he's freaking out.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
He's looking at the artwork and he's hearing the album
and and the cool thing is that, you know, and
it maybe it was very instrumental, especially helping me, because
he had some cannabis verses and so, you know, we
never would negate that we had already set up a deal,
and so I was able to say, if you say yes,
I have a thousands of dollars I have I have this.

(55:29):
I'm gonna PayPal you if you say yes. After he
heard the whole cannabis everybody got I did everything, you.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Did, everyone the same presentation. Yeah, like, look it's.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Even got to do nothing. Here's here's the artwork, played
the music. He wants some money, right, and we did it.
So and it was what what was that?

Speaker 2 (55:49):
What was was? It feels like it feels kind of
like interesting that you and cannabis kind of have like
similar similar I feel like he's kind of like the
East Coast Rascal cast if you will, like really, when
I think of just like lyrical ability, oh yeah, he's
insane and just like supposed to be like the savior
of like because.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
But he got the opportunities I didn't get them.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
No, I agree, And he also like, you know, I
think Cannabis is an interesting.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
Film, right yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
When him, I was like, yeah, nice guy, Yeah, different definitely.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Man. Here, I'm gonna tell you my Cannabis story. This
is one I knew Cannabis was something else. I was
dating this Puerto Rican girl. She looked like faith Evans,
but she was not Faith Ovans. But anyway, what's up
with that out there?

Speaker 4 (56:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Yeah, yeah, girls, her friend was finer than her. She
was she was pretty. Yeah, friend was fire. We all
go out one night in the City of New York
like whatever. We buy the water by the pier, and
I remember Cannabis started like she. I remember the girls
trying to like flirt with him, and she's like, oh,

(56:57):
it's really nice out here, and this thinker started talking
about yeah, you know, and then the trajectory in the
UFO's land and I'm like, God, damn it, nigga, like
just tell her it's nice out here and touch her butt,
my nigga. What the fun went so well? And then
he wrote his number down, but he wrote it in

(57:18):
words one oh any and.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
That is seven like this, that's like cannabish. Ever heard bro,
Bro He lives life like he wraps.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
Yes, he's absolutely who he says he is. Man. Yeah,
that was That's my story.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
One of your trademarks. You're kind of like the Raisor
Ramona hip hop. I mean because you you had that
motherfucking toothpick cracking. I got him for years. You were
like the guy who like always had the toothpick.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
But the whole ship was that was channeling Fonzie.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Yeah, the funds it was. I thought it was flying
some cool ship. Yeah, you see the father Razor Ramon.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
That that was the whole. That's the that's the whole. Uh.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
And the secondary part was me an exhibit that said
at the time we didn't have I think maybe we
got our record deals and we was like, uh, we
should stop smoking. I was smoking beadies and he was
smoking weed.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
It's an oral fixation.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
So yeah, so I was like I might train myself
two pick straws right by up with straw Bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but yeah, but smoking didn't stop smoking either, so it
just gave me another bad habit.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
But I liked but I liked the two pick because
it looked cool.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Would you know? I feel like anything is possible these days.
Have you an ex ever kicked the ball around of
like trying to do something with some of these Golden
State songs?

Speaker 4 (58:55):
We had that conversation I just saw on Monday, So.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
I think it is possible twenty twenty five. Everyone's independence.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
I'm trying to figure out he brought it up. He
brought that up.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
He brought that up to me a month ago or more. So,
if that son he wants to do, I'm cool with that,
you know what I mean. There's I think there's something
we wanted to do, as far as we just have
to make sure that the State and right it's done,

(59:27):
because apparently there isn't a whole Severe album that then
that would allow us. And think about it, if there's
two verses per song, let alone, if there's three, and
then all you need is three, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (59:39):
Yeah, and three of the songs out of the ten.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yeah, even if you guys just did a fucking EP
an EPU YouTube like some I want some on him. No,
I mean I think that would be right, but if
you couldn't figure out the estate situation.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
I think they're working on it so that I say
that to say, like the whole album that matter of fact,
shout out mugs too, because I asked bugs, I need
you for five mics, sir, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
You gotta come. You're gonna host the something for me?

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
You know my party?

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
Five mikes? Yeah? Man, that needs you. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Man, what an era when five mics used to matter?

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Yeah, well that we're channeling that kind of energy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
What do you think is the biggest source fumble over
rating of all time? There's a lot of albums that
didn't get five mics. It got four and a half
or four. That's fucking crazy. The biggest Doggie Style didn't
get five mics.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Yeah, that was bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
That's a tame.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Yeah, that was bullshit. Some fact Soul on Ice and Night.
When if it would have came out when it was
supposed to come out, which would have been ninety early
ninety five, I would have got six bikes.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
I would have been the only person to get six
bikes mics.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
They were gonna get because they gave Nads five and
then they hurt nature to thread and all this other shit,
and he were gonna give me six. I promised to
God from lying I'm flying, but then they heard my album.
Then I had to go negotiate for a year and
all this other shit. So by the time he came
down there, Yeah, it just.

Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
It was old.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
That's crazy if you think about like I guess like
XXL shit was cool, but it just never has been.
And then the thing that sucked is when you kind
of figured and I guess like from a fan's perspective,
you don't think about like politics of going the ratings
and right, but like you're like, oh, some of those
five mic albums definitely got paid for. Oh yeah yeah,

(01:01:32):
like all like no disrespect to Little Kim because she
got a five mic album for the Torri's Kim and
it's a good album, but.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
It's not five mikes. No no disrespect, no disrespect. Yeah,
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Four mics?

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Five?

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
Did mob did get any five?

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
See, that's the same.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Yeah, the infamous THINKI five mics?

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
And then like uh, only built for Cuban links. I
think was four and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
That's insane. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Now there's some shit where you just this is just crazy.
All right. So you're working on an album called Leopard
Eats Face. Yes, sir, you just dropped the record with
Smith and Wesson.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
Yeah, forty two in honor of a man Jackie Robinson.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Sorry Tretch from Naughty by Natures on the album.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Yeah, that song is called scar Tissue and My Man
Wives p Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
So we dropped two singles this this quarter. The record
comes out first quarter next year, so uh, the rest
kind of floating out the rest of the year, and
then January we start dropping a couple more singles.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
But we got a lot of Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
I hate when I can't remember who did shit but
beat Minors production whatever trade's on the album.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Yeah, you're You've had such a crazy synergy with the
East Coast. Yeah, man, your entire career.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
Yeah, people thought even.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
I could the day Walker, I really could, you know,
they they I think the fairness of New York is
that ultimately, if you could rap good, they give you
a chair. They don't give a fuck, you know what
I'm saying. That's why people can talk about eminem They're
just like fucked.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Were you like you're active during the time that all
this shit's happening East Coast West Coast ship? Obviously? Is
it like a because you know, if you watched I
just I've watched every fucking documentary about the Tupac being
ship that's probably ever been made that but rewatching the
Diddy have did you watch the Diddy things?

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
I was just about to ask you that I have
not yet.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
Everybody, it's it's really good, but fifty strikes again.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Man, No, but it's good and like a lot a
lot of the stuff like in there, like I'd already
kind of known, but you know, it really kind of
paints a like I wasn't super like hip to Ditty's
connections with the crips in La right, and then the
dude who's like his og from Harlem was kind of
middleman and a lot of that ship. So it does
seem like there is some smoke there on the right.

(01:03:58):
And if you're Diddy, who we've known to be like
a pretty vindictive, like crazy motherfucker, it would make sense
if he was trying to rub out Sugar and because
he these motherfuckers have been embarrassing you. So it's like
but with that being said in the documentary, there was
like Eric Sherman was saying, this was not like some

(01:04:20):
East coast West coast ship. It was death Row versus
bad Boy. Yeah, like it was created. It was hyped
up by the media versus West.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
It was always I meaning method Man is on fucking
all eyes on me, right, Yeah, bot Camp Clip used
to work with Pa you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
Of course that was his. Yeah, that was his.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
It was called One Nation and it was it was
boot camp with with with thug like and not dug
like with dow Laws right packing them. Yeah, yeah, everybody.
I was always Oc was my big bro. And I
was running around, like I said, with jay Z and
the Rangers and Bleak Memphis Bleak like, yeah, I was.

(01:05:02):
It was really about even when Po Pok wasn't there
yet when he got shot. When I went to live
with jay Z, it was his apartment on something. You know,
just that that summer a big summer camp at Jame's apartment.
But he Uh what was I saying?

Speaker 4 (01:05:22):
Uh? I forgot my point.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
We're talking about. You were saying that essentially when Pa
Trick got.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Oh, yeah, I had to I hit one and other
homie Bunny Bee is bun and just say like I
caught you know, I politically, I just felt like I
didn't want to, you know, just honor nobody, but in
general not checking in or nothing like that. But I
did let them know, like, hey man, I'm gonna go

(01:05:47):
stay over at jay Z's and you know, because I
know he didn't like has Jack and he felt like
and Jimmy Henchman, you know what I'm saying. And we
worked at Henchman Studio. So I wanted to make sure
like I didn't look like I was tradering. So it
was some you didn't want the street problems. I don't
want to she was mad at me. I don't want
pop mad at me, you know what I mean? And
and he was getting mad at people.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
You know, Hey, you know what's crazy all time rappers
who raped from their stomach is you and Tupac. You
guys really you guys both raped from like from the gun, Yeah,
from the gut?

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
When you said that right now, I just thought I
was like, yeah, you a park wrap from the gut.
You guys have similar like you know who's on the
Carson Mount Rushmore of hip hop.

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
Who y'all tried, man, because they fuck you up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Now that's the home and a great out to uh
good folks. The boy d boys dope too.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
I mean Bishop of Lomhan is my brother.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
I call him Bishop Man.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Absolutely, come on, man, he's on the album to me
and we finally got one.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
He did one for me and I did one for
his new album solo. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
You know what I'm saying, uh, and it's some it's
some younger brothers I member names best. Carson got a
deep bench, That's what I'm saying. Like we got I
just I'm just I need to get even more familiar
because it's it's I heard. She looked like she was
mixed with like some morning black girl and maybe Filipino
and black girl. And she had bars like and she

(01:07:18):
doing some numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
That's starting to pos.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
As a kid from Phoenix, I never knew what Carson
was before I listened to you. So yeah, uh.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
Yeah, my mount Rushmore for right now, I'll leave it
at Boo Yard tried absolute and I'm buying something.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
I put me right, No, but you, I mean you
kind of built the mountain.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Chi cool, all right, I'll take it. I'll take that,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
How did you come up with the calling yourself the
waterproof mc oh man?

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Uh? Do used always say water off a duck's ass
because it's waterproof, you know what I'm saying? Like never
like even they feathers waterpool, but the ducks ass has
got to be super waterproof, tight and puckered. So that
that that's where it came from. And the niggas was
always talking about wetting people up a gun talk.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Yeah that is true. That was kind of like some
ninety slang like I get you wet.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
Yeah exactly. So yeah, it was just like we me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
It was either you were going to get shot or
you were going to do PCP if you were.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
Well yeah yeah, yeah, fact fact. All right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
So the album's coming out first quarter next year.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Yeah yeah, February February fourteenth. I think we got some
great uh you know, uh song set this off. Uh
we're onyx on the record.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
We got.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Coast Contra rivtage uh.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
With that record.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
I really like it because it's we inspected deck from
Wu Tang clan. So I like trying to like curate
and to right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Would you ever do more A and R work?

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
I enjoy it. That's what I like doing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Yeah, because I do feel like you have like a
like a you have an appreciation for I think that's
a key of being a good an R is like
how can I create a situation that might not ever
have happened had I not stepped in?

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
And I love doing that and and it would be
great to have a budget like so I loved.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
It, like like problems doing it. Jason Martin's well, he's brilliant.
He's so good at that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Yah yeah yeah yeah yeah really and he actually got
you know, he can he got the hands, he can produce, produce,
you know what I'm saying. But I got vision and
then my cousin is my hands a lot of times.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Fire yeah, good ship man, So look album coming out
first quarter. Two new singles out.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Yeah, two new singles out there. The videos are out,
you know, please support them. Leopardy's face you know, we'll
have the vinyls and the CDs and independent. Oh no,
I did it with a sul spasm.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Fire yeah yeah, good ship rast cast appreciate you man.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
There it is then, thank you, my brother, appreciate you
at