#627 - Wyclef Jean Talks Haiti Presidency, Immigration, Fugees, Canibus & the Passing of John Forte

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:45):
tell you, one of the greats on the mic, on
the pen, and more importantly, one of the greatest performers
of all time. Man, why Clef Jean family, Yo, it's crazy.
I remember, like when I was a kid, I had
a Do you remember was it what was the magazine

(01:06):
cover you were on the cover of with all the McLarens.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Oh yeah, I was DuPont Registry.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah yeah, or even knew what McLaren was before the
first person who had one. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
My dad I learned about cars early.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
My dad was an immigrant when he came up here,
and one of the jobs with mechanics, you know what
I mean. So I was under the hood early I learned.
I learned about air car, but more the the blue
chip cars though, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
For I mean, for sure, what was the most you
that ever spent on a car?

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Probably probably like three million dollars? Yeah, yeah, I was
a car dude. And when I decided to go back
to my country, I was so high of my fortune,
like to try to become president of Haiti.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I remember that. What was the three million dollars card?
Did it turn a profit or did you have to
take a loss on him? You sold it? And what
kind of car was?

Speaker 2 (02:04):
No, it was like emotional seal for me, right because
it was like I was going back to my country
and I needed a certain amount of money. So, you know,
blue chip cards are like art, you know what I mean.
I took a loss. So but if you want to
know the one that I regret selling the most, the McLaren.
You know what I'm saying. The McLaren is worth like today,

(02:24):
like thirty thirty million. You know, I took a loss,
but you know, God is good. Hopefully I'll buy it back. Yo.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
What obviously, Man, you're in LA right now doing a
Blue Note. I feel like when we talk about like
the greatest live performers in hip hop history, I feel
like you have to be in that conversation. I remember
seeing you maybe like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, like in

(02:57):
some basement at south By Southwest.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
I just killing it.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
How dope is it for you to be able to
kind of do something like Blue Note where you're able
to kind of show because because you're you're you know,
you do it all man.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
So yeah, no, the Blue Note is dope. I said.
The best thing about my life is every month is
a summer gem around the world, you know, and in
a different country. What I love about the Blue Note
is my habitat. You know, I started off as like
a jazz major in high school. So because it's so intimate,
like you know what I mean, you get to see

(03:33):
like y Clev jeng as y Clev Young. You know
what I mean, Because sometimes the stadiums and the arenas
things are like so big, and then the records become
bigger than you. Right, you got to the hits that
I write a bigger than y Clef. You know what
I'm saying to you. They gotta be like that. So
when when you come to an intimate setting like the
Blue Note, you'll be like, oh, I get it. I

(03:53):
understand how how his brain works on the creation tip.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
You know what I'm saying to you. Yeah, hundred percent.
You talked to obviously, man. You you come from a
family of immigrants, and right now you know you've you've
never been some of the shy away from you know,
the political side of things. Obviously you ran for president
of your country. I'm curious just what your thoughts are

(04:18):
on what's going on at the moment with Ice and
with just this current administration.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
I mean really, you know, I'm very informed. So I
think like the idea of the immigration that didn't start
off from the idea of like Trump, you know what
I'm saying to you, right, So the idea of you know,
you could go back to the Biden administration or the
Obama administration. Right, I think what happens is it's just
more vocal now, right, So you got two forms of college. Yeah,

(04:48):
it's just more on your face. Right, So how do
you want it? Do you want it like hidden on
some brutal shit where they come and they like stab
you in the back, or do you want to know
what's happening in the front. You know what I'm say
and to you. So for me, what I do is
I tell all of my immigrant people, like get your
papers right, because where we're at right now is like

(05:08):
them boys are not playing right. We could talk about injustice,
what's right, what's wrong with past president administrations, But at
the end of the day, the reality is always remember
a president term is for the eight years, right when
you are in your when you and your boroughs, who's

(05:32):
representing you in DC? I think that's more like y'all
got a concentration because a lot of people concentrate on
the actual election itself, right, who's going to be the president?
I think that y'all got to focus on who you know,
who's going to be representing y'all in DC. That's just
how I feel about it.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Dude, you know, I just feel like, yeah, like what
you were saying, like it's more in our face now,
and I just feel like that's even just like globally,
you know, with the politics stuff, like the mask is
kind of off and it's like at least kind of
now the craziness is being hidden from if you will,
like you can then see a lot of the shit
going on in the world right now, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, No, it's it's like to your point. So all
I'm saying is I rather know what's going on right
I know what's going on right now, so I could
just tell my immigrants right now, everybody make sure that
your papers are right, because there are not playing right now,
you know what I'm saying. Literally, it's all in your
face right. So, and then I'm saying as we move forward,

(06:25):
as y'all continue to vote, just make sure that you
know that you look at the House of Representative and
make sure that the people that you're voting for represent
your policies.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, and represent the constituents which on both sides. Facts.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
There you go, that part, that part.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
What is uh what when you ran for president of Haiti,
obviously this is a country that has been destabilized over
and over by the United States, by France, by the West,
by all kinds of interests. What was the uphill battle
running for president? And what did you learn about this

(07:05):
the process? Because I feel like Haiti doesn't get talked
about enough in terms of like our part as the
United States and the West having a direct hand and
continuously kind of installing the facto governments and destabilizing the country.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, well, I would say, like why should we even
be concerned about Haiti. I just think like there's a
part of history that connects America with Haiti. Just everybody
that's listening to this, like, let's just talk about Louisiana purchase, right,
I think like the Haitians was strategic and helping this
big the biggest real estate deal land.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (07:44):
What did I learn? It's basically this eighty percent of
a country is living on less than a dollar a day.
And what made me feel bold enough that I could
change it? Right at the end of the day, we know,
like all countries are in debt, right, that's not a
new thing. But I felt that with Haiti. The environment,
the environmental situation, I felt through carbon credit we actually

(08:06):
had a chance to rebuild that country. I felt that
moving forward, as I'm speaking to you right now in Haiti,
I got one of the most progressive robotic programs that
I sponsor that's coming out of Jacquemail, which means that
kids that leave jacquem Mail that go compete globally Greece,
Panama and in different places. So I saw that if

(08:28):
we could instill that sense of hope inside of the
youth right and focus on the anti corruption law because
everywhere is anti corprrestion, but really enforce that law because
at the end of the day, listen, keV we could
blame everybody on the outside, but it starts with your
own home. So what I mean by that is our

(08:49):
politicians are so fucked up that they could be bought
so quick that they can't stand for something. So you
have to be able to stand for something, you know.
So I felt like at the end of the I
was going to bring something to that country, which was important.
I felt we could have rebuilt the workforce through education
and keep in mind we only an hour from Miami,

(09:11):
so just think of how we can trade for trade
in the States. I felt like we have human capital
at the end of the day, do you want to
continue to outsource a lot of this to China and
to India when you have somewhere here where as long
as you make the labor fear, it will work for us,
you know, things like that.

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the podcast. That's smart, man. I want to obviously say
rest in peace to John Forte who passed away.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Brother man.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah, obviously such an important part of your guys a story,
your story. How are you doing? Man? Man?

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Is no joke, you know, because with Forte it was brutal,
it was subtle. I got my man. Michael had tapped
me on the phone and I thought he was saying,
I Pete another one of my boys that I lost
like three weeks ago. And then in the morning I
got the call. The text from Miss Hill and Lauren

(11:19):
was like, Yo, I just got like some bad news.
Just check for me and verify. You know what I'm
saying to you. So I hit Forte like literally, like
on my phone. We share music, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like so while I'm working on my project,
I would send him stuff and he would send me stuff.

(11:41):
So every month we at least tap in. So I'm like, YO,
text me so I know you good? Can you imagine that?
I'm like, yo, text me, know you good? And then
my other man sent me the ky He was like, no,
be gone. So it was definitely like it was fucked up. Man,
it's fucked up.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah, he's the guy like you think of When I
think of the Refugee All Stars, I think of John Forte. Man.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. We always called John
and for Fuji and it's so true, and I always say, like,
the score wouldn't it sounded the way it did without John?
He contributed a.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Lot, Yeah, for sure. How how for you?

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Man?

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Like I always wondered this, I want to get to
some Fuji stuff. But when you come out of the
Score and you're crafting The Carnival, which kind of turned
you into a pop star. There was like a there
was like a switch that happened, like like I almost
like a switch was flipped and like you were you
were like a running MTV. Did you dropped like this

(12:39):
exceptual album?

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Right?

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah? And like you're putting your homies on. What was like,
was there was there any pressure working on that album?
And like, obviously it it definitely like you delivered, but
I just I can only imagine like the first album
after this all time classic the Score Grammy winning award,
and like you're going solo. Lauren's obviously Lauren, but you're

(13:04):
crafting up this original idea and you know obviously worked.
But what was the pressure like making the Carnival.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Nah, it was like the pressure was like can we
get another score? And so what happened was the fujis
just we just became like the hip hop beatles You
feel me? And that's pretty scary for someone like me
who's a super creative, Like I'm about the art first.

(13:36):
So at the end of the day, when I did
the Carnival, man, there's nothing in my brain where the
Carnival would be accepted the way that it was accepted. Right.
I had absolutely no pressure. I said that I'm going
to create a piece of art that's the reverse of
the score. You see what I'm saying. So in this art,

(14:00):
there was nothing about it, like no one was saying.
So today you got afrobeads, you got all of this,
you got y year, you got this. So one kid
come and be like, Yo, I'm gonna have one album.
I'm gonna have this go on it. I'm gonna put
the Philharmonic Orchestra on it. I'm gonna put five languages
on there, and I'm gonna be putting on It's like,

(14:21):
what are you doing so to me? Like Boscia, I
was just painting and abstract painting of how I saw
the world, you know what I'm saying. And so there
was nothing in my brain that was commercial about the Carnivore,
you know what I'm saying to you, Like even like
all the stories, like when you hear the Interluse, the

(14:42):
way it tied up, even with a record like the Beg's,
it's staying alive, like everything ties to a story, Like
when I saw John Travolta and Greece and then the
way that he walked I was like, Yo, this dude
and I'm in the projects and I've seen that. I say,
y're one day, I'm gonna do it video like him.
So it's literally like me taking all my childhood memories

(15:04):
and putting him in something. So in my head there
was nothing that was gonna be turned me into a
pop star.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
That makes sense, And it's crazy too because if you
think about nineteen ninety seven, there's like the like kind
of like I guess, like the beginning of like the
Mace Diddy colorful shit.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Of course. Yeah, I mean I actually jumped out of
the window. I mean out of the airplane. Remember that
video been around the world. Yes, I'm the guy who
jumps out of the airplane.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
But it's it's funny because back then, right, keeping it
real was a thing that people would say, were you
at all nervous to Like, nobody in hip hop would
have the right mind to be like, I'm gonna flip
a Begie song and it's gonna be fly and it's
not gonna be corny, Like that's a hard thing to
pull off.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Well, the thing is I didn't. I don't know what
they mean by keep it real. I'm from Haiti, I'm
from a hut, the village, slum dog millionaire. Then I
get to Marlboro Projects, I'm in Brooklyn, Coney Island, you
know what I'm saying. Where I see the homies, you know,
complaining about their sneakers and the problem. I'm like, Yo,
what are those? You know what I'm saying, And were

(16:10):
like what are those? And I'm like, yo, bro, where
I come from, Man, it's like one pair of shoes.
Right then we go to Jersey. So my idea always
in my brain of keeping it real is like, Yo,
if you ain't gonna go to college and you ain't
gonna sell drugs, what are you gonna do to take
care of your family? So that's always been my mindset,
you know what I'm saying. And then when it come
to the music, dog, I wasn't trying to be to me,

(16:33):
hip hop was the culture. But I was looking at
people like Gershwin, Quincy Jones, and I was like, Yo,
if I could do what Quincy did, even a fraction
of it, I was like, I'm gonna have a job
for the rest of my life.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
That's how I was just looking at it. I mean,
and like, you know what it was funny because I
remember when the Versus thing was happening during COVID. I
was like, man, I don't know, Man, if why Cliff
ends up doing a versus, he got some shit he
could pull out that not a lot of people can, like, I.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Mean, our catalogs insanity, insanity that.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Happens if you played No, No, No. You know what
I'm saying, Like.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
It's a global it's a global entry. You know what
I'm saying, because I got you know, if I do
a versus, you got to tune in in every part
of the planet, right because I might do something and
it don't work here and Nigeria go crazy. You know
what I'm saying. The next song Columbia go create one man,

(17:30):
I wanted to.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
I'm a huge wrestling fan and recently four or five
years ago, Tech nine got the rock to actually do
a verse on a song where he rapped. But you're
like the guy who actually in the in the middle
of the Attitude era, you do this song with the
rock music video, everything on the eclectic. What was like

(17:52):
the idea were you a wrestling fan and like, what
was the idea of bringing the rock?

Speaker 2 (17:57):
So's it's funny you say that because my next project
is like seven album once a month, and it's like
bending seven genres that I've bend in the past thirty years.
Like I'm the first of a lot of stuff. But
I don't want to sound like little Richard and tell
y'all invented rock and roll. You know what I'm saying,
Who but the rock and maya wrestling fan. So I

(18:18):
go back with wrestling. Let's talk about it, man, Peter
fly Snooker, Let's talk about it. Andre the Giant. I'm
talking about sitting here in Brooklyn where my grandma is
next to me, and god forbid you tell her wrestling
is fake. You know what I'm saying, Like she come
down with you on an arm chot. You know what

(18:38):
I'm saying to you? What's my Irish man Roddy Piper?
You know what I'm saying, Like he came out with
the quilt. You know what I'm saying, the original young thug,
you know what I'm saying, came on with So so yeah,
I was I'm a big wrestling fan. And so again,
you know when I called the rock up, it was

(19:00):
like me and at the time my sister, she was
real little and we both was fans of the Rock,
and I hit him. I was like, yo, man, I
need you. I got this. You know, you know I
love the slogan it doesn't matter. And I got this
real cool sky record. He came in, We did the record,
shot the video. You know what I'm saying to you,
So the Rock. You know you're watching this right now,

(19:21):
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You've been a part of so many people's careers. I
am curious the one guy who I interviewed him a

(21:19):
couple of years ago. Obviously Cannabis, right, Cannabis was kind
of like I mean, as a wordsmith, as just a
pure lyricist, he's like one of the greatest guys to
put words on a paper. You know, he's a he's a.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Of all time. Yeah, you're like, he gonna be credited
for that.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
And that can I Bus album would like get retarded
and Nward Noometry and you know, second Round Knockout. I mean,
such a great album. But what was your thought, because
you would always hear like people I think the ll
thing obviously played into it, but like, what was your
thought on like kind of what went wrong and why
Cannabis didn't end up maybe getting to the potential that

(21:56):
a lot of people had hoped he would have reached.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Well, I think that if you go back right now
and you look at the Cannabis where we're saying everything
go wrong, how many artists could come in number two?
That's the first thing. And right now, if you look
at the numbers statistically, whereas can I bust at what
kind of plaque is Cannabis sitting on right now with

(22:19):
all of the other rappers that came out in this era.
So let's start off by saying that I think that
anyone who understands how the game work, we always say
the freshman is a putt right, right, and ideas to
get to the south more. Now you might come in
you know what I'm saying to bat, you know what

(22:43):
I mean, and be from the Dominican Republic like my brothers.
You know what I'm saying and be able to tap
in something. So I think that because the hype was
so strong that the focus was lost on the idea
of like, let's just keep going, you know what I mean,
and the thing is coming in from a manager structure.

(23:05):
He had managers and he had right because I felt
like if I was overall on the overall thing, from
the management, from the exec to all the thing, my
speech is real simple. The Fujis had blunted on reality
and we didn't kick it to the score. So if
your first project, you you you surpassed the Fujis on

(23:27):
a whole another level, right, because it's all about that
global entry vibe. That's how I was looking at it.
What would your second project be like? So at the
end of the day, I still credit Cannabis is one
of the illest lyricists. But history tells the tell look back,
what is can I bust now certified gold? Right, look

(23:49):
back in the era, everybody that's talking shit, show me
your gold album. In that era, like very few of
y'all are still around. So at the end of the day,
I felt that all can had to do was keep going.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
That's it. Yeah, And it's like almost like back then
it was a little harder to do that. Yeah, I
had like I had the same conversation with raz Cast
because I kind of felt like ras Cast was like,
LA's cannabis, Uh huh, Away, I understand, But like you know,
today it's easy to just keep because you could just
you know, back then it was you had to get

(24:27):
a CD, you had to get the label to really
sign off on ship, you know what I mean, because
everything counted against your contract. But not shout out to cannabis. Man.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
You know, Cannabis is still one of the illness, and
I'm just fortunate to have like really, you know, watched
him pen things down. Man. First, dude, I saw who
built the website from the computer?

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Crazy?

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, do you remember your reaction to first hearing second
Round Knockout.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
I mean what you mean my reaction. I produced the
rect so.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Like he's he's in the he's in the in the booth.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
You guys are saying like me and Jerry Wonder are
producing the record, and I'm like, Yo, we're gonna go
get into.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
It, intentionally replying to four three two one the.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Verse, Yeah, well that's all cannabis. I'm the producer, you
know what I'm saying to you. So I'm gonna get hit.
You know what I'm saying a producer, Bob, You're gonna
get slapped at the time, don't matter who's doing to beat. Oh,
you're gonna throw up in the video, you know. King Like, Okay,
you're gonna get this work too. You know what I'm
saying to you again, looking back at it, That's just

(25:34):
part of hip hop, right, So one person says something
the other person. That's just how hip hop goes and
and at the end of the day, I think that's
what makes the sport a beautiful thing. At the end
of the day.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, there was some lines in there. I feel like,
you know, second Round Knockout to one of the all
time great disc records, and I feel like I can
only imagine what it be like to hear the ninety
nine percent of your fans were high heels live in
the state, Like, oh shit, what's he gonna say to that?
Shout out to cannabis though, man.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, no, cannabis is dope again, you know, shout out
to Canba. Also, shout out the l because I think
when you're looking back at eras of Battlesdible, Yeah, like
when we looking back at battles like because his story.
I think that people have to understand when we talk
about the battle, right, the idea of like battle and
lyrical jouson. We just have a few amazing ones that

(26:27):
happened in history, and that was one of them.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, was it your idea or his idea to try
to get Mike Tyson onto it?

Speaker 2 (26:34):
No, that was cannabis idea. He's a big Mike Tyson fan.
And you know, like he would study like cannabis would
be studying like a lot of training things, you know
what I'm saying. Like he would be the one he'd
come with the computer and be like, yo, just what
the Navy seals are doing now, you know what I mean?
And you know later he went he ended up going
to uh the military for sure.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah. No. When I talked to him, we talked about that. Now.
It's crazy how we can talk about you producing one
of the most vicious hip hop beef records of all time,
and then you're also the guy who, you know.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
I never really knew that she could dance like this.
I want to talk about Santana. You're working with Carlos.
That's my that's my godfather.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Man.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
I make sure I send them a text every week.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
And it's crazy because you were like very instrumental in
like reintroducing like a legend from like my parents' era.
I had to man to like the MTV kids, you know.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
I felt like it was very important. I felt like
the culture needed it at the time. When Clive Davis
hit me up, his first question was like, Yo, do
you know Santana. I was like, what, Like, it's me why, clep.
It's like, actually me, do I know Jimmy Hendricks? You
know what? Right? So, so, of course, like, yo, Santana
is like one of those ones. I was dying to
get in the studio with Santana because I had so

(27:57):
much and I don't know, if you know, Antenna's gangster
like don't make no mistake on some peace type like
meaning like he really was that boy, like he stood
up like with the panthers, you know what I mean.
He really was about it. So for me just being
in the studio with him, shit was amazing.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Man.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Can you tell me who was the most either nervous
or I want to use the word intimidated because that's
got kind of got a negative uh context to it.
But who was the most nervous person? You Like, if
you like you knew you were going in to work
with Blank and you maybe were like a little like,
oh shit, this is crazy, Like I'm a little like it.

(28:43):
Maybe your starstruck, maybe you're nervous, Like who was that
person for you at all?

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah? I said, definitely like two people Michael Jackson and
Whitney Houston. Oh yeah, but more so Whitney. You know
what I'm saying, Like coming from Jersey, it's like you know,
being in high school. Yehs like I belive lead the
children or the future, and you like, yo, I'm going
in with Whitney. You know what I'm saying to you?
It was that was pretty I ain't gonna front. I

(29:09):
definitely was nervous with that one.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, Whitney probably the greatest voice of all time.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, definitely. I was nervous with that one.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Did you You know I always hear people. I was
just talking with John B the R and B Legend
and he shared a manager with Michael Jackson back in
the nineties, and I was like, yo, man, when you
met Mike, Like, did he have an aura to him?
Like when you worked with him? Did he have like
a you know, there's a few people I've met were
like they just like got a glow, like you're like,

(29:40):
oh shit, yeah, you know what's crazy.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
I saw something surfacing online of like some unreleased Michael
Jackson stuff that I've done, like had written when I
penned when he was at the Hit Factory, and that's
still like somehow I think like they're selling it or
something now some some weird stuff's going on. But I
would say like with Mike being in the studio with

(30:06):
him and just being somebody who play over like fourteen instruments,
I learned something. And I learned like when Mike was like, yo,
the orchestra live in your head. Anything you can think of,
like you can do you know what I mean? Like
that that sort of like power, So you gotta understand
I'm in a studio with Michael Jackson. But then I
would pop up at a print show, right because I

(30:29):
like to see. And then Prince would do something ill
like you see how I'm gonna be at the Blue
Note like he would like he'll leave some big stadium somewhere,
you know what I'm saying, and then he'll pop up
in the smallest joint with a band and just crush it.
So for me, what I learned about all of them, man,
was like the pulse like you always have. The pulse

(30:49):
of the generation means like you gotta be in the
mud to understand it, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Nah, for sure, talk to me. You were on Capitol Punishment,
one of my favorite hip hop albums of all time.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
My brother Big Pun, Fat Joe Crew.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, talk to me about what it was like. Could
you talk about that era? There's that famous photo of
like Cannabis DMX, Most Deaf and Big Pun like at
the booth. Yeah, Like you know, so like that's I
feel like Capital Punishment is one of them. Once. What
was it like working with pun?

Speaker 2 (31:26):
You know what was incredible about working with pun? Keep
in mind I'm probably one of the most underrated MC's ever.
But anybody who's watching this, catch me on any block,
on any stage, anywhere, and I'm gonna get at you.

(31:47):
Fat Joe. He knew, like I could really bar. You
know what I'm saying. Pun is literally like it's like
putting me up to bar with a killer killer. You
know what I mean I'm saying. And the verse I
did was so hard. Dudes, was like, Yo, Cannabis must
have wrote W Clubs verse, right, That's how hard the verse.

(32:08):
And I was like, oh, I guess they never heard
the Fuji's first album, Blunting on Reality. You know what
I'm saying to you. But Yo, being in the studio
with Pun Yo Twin Yo Twin, you know what I'm saying,
Like Twin, I just need that verse, you know. And
then I was feeding off his energy. You feel what
I'm saying to you. And it's sort of like two

(32:29):
people that like make me want to rap when I'm
in well three people with a Pun made me do that.
Lauren made me do that, and Lil Wayne like because
it's sort of like, you know, Pun his verses, how
he put his words together, his similes. It's like Okay,
ain't no guitar playing here.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
You know it's like Mike to Mike, talk to me, twin.
Let's get into it.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Hey, what's up?

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Man?

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the most viral reality TV show moments ever with the
man dialon making the band and it ends up becoming Oh.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Dave Chappelle did the whole thing, choking the legend in
the studio and on it. Oh you right, that was
like one of the early viral times. Like viral wasn't
even like you know what I'm saying, Like we used
that word, but that is like one of them.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
You can either make the bend or not make the bend, right.
It was like lo KEI. It was almost like if
a Saturday Night Live or Dave Chappelle made funny you,
that would consider you to be viral.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
No, nah, yeah, if Chappelle caught you, you know what
I'm saying, you was viral. I said. The hardest thing
about Chappelle is like he's so funny. It's like when
you're doing them skits at the time, you literally gotta
try to stay like you can't laugh. That's why he
was one of the craziest moments, you know what I'm
saying to you. But you know, like the end of
the band, it was definitely a moment. It definitely was

(35:02):
a moment.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
No, it definitely was. How often do you revisit the Score?
It's been officially thirty years.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, this this is gonna be like the thirty year anniversary.
You know what I'm saying. I definitely say like every
like couple of like five years, Like I would probably
like throw on the Score and just listen to it.
And when I throw it on more so the music though,
it's more the memories you feel me like it's like
it brings you to an eror like it's just like

(35:35):
the most for me, like mentally one of the most
amazing erarors.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
What was for you man? Do you remember like a
session or a point in time where you realize, like
you guys were doing something generational that just the world
hadn't heard yet.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
No, because we was coming from a flop, right, So
we was coming from blunted on reality and then so
it was like, yo, if this album, we're gonna almost
like gear it more to mix.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
This is this might this might be our last chance.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, yeah, definitely our last chance. So we're gonna gear
it more mixtape orientated, you know what I'm saying, Like,
we're gonna do it so it's like next level. But
maybe if we're lucky, we might go gold on this one.
The whole focus. Let's go gold. Let's yo, let's try
to sell Like if we could only go gold, we
could go to.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
The next flat Yeah, Plaque, Is there a reason outside
of that album just becoming such an insane phenomenon and
you and Lauren going on to just go insane and like,
you know, shout to prose to you know, ghetto Superstar.
He had a solo run himself, but was there what
would what would you say? Is the main reason you

(36:52):
guys never did a third album?

Speaker 2 (36:54):
You know, I think I think just young, A lot
of complications were going on. You know what I'm saying
to you, And you know you young at the time,
you know what I mean? And we literally a kid stars.
You feel what I'm saying to you? Like you literally
like yo, it's thirty years later, dog like And I

(37:15):
got a call from Craig Kalman, show you how wild
gess Is and Craig like Craig like, Yo, you know,
I got this chief officer job at Warners and you know,
boom boom, boom boom, and he was like the most
exciting thing he was about was like, yo, cleft, they
let me get my label back, big beat right now.

(37:36):
What's deep about that is before the score of five years,
Craig Kalman was one of the investors who invested in
a hip hop played at Me, Lauren and EMC light did,
which twenty five years later that what you see is Hamilton.
That's what we did twenty five years before that. You
know what I'm saying to you so exactly. So I'm

(37:58):
only saying that like to tell you that for me,
it's sort of like I'm living a movie, right, but
don't sleep on the fact that I'm a cultural bunny
from the gate. So if I'm telling you way before
the score, way before blunting on reality, here I am

(38:19):
why clev Young, Lauren Hill and mc light on the play.
And then I tell you, yo, you ever seen the
Eric b video rock Can't Don't Sweat the technique? I'm like,
that's me on the base. I'm an extra barely eighteen
years old. You know what I'm saying. So for me again,
I would say that my love for the culture allows
me to just be me.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Man. I love that is it? How often? If at all?
Obviously you know, not to get into the specific situation,
but you know, Proz is sitting down right now, she'd
be sitting down for a while. Do you keep in
contact with him at all?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
I mean, God will and I haven't spoken to him
in a little bit, but you know, we did the
big tour. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, COVID happened,
and after COVID happened, you know what I mean. So
all I could do is say, within any situation, we
just wish him, pray for him every day, you know,
tell my church group pray for him, and we hope,

(39:14):
you know, he gets out of it.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
So I know, you guys have done stuff. Live bet
Awards come to mind. It'd be dope to see why
Clef and YG Marley work together.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, nah, I love them, my nephews. Like
keep in mind, I was on tour with YG. Yeah
that's the crew. Like I was on tour with them,
and this is before the song even rock right, So
so we definitely have that. I'm uncle Clef. Let's just
say that right now. So you got YG Marley, you
got Zion Marley, you got a few of them. That's

(39:48):
that's killing it right now. You know what I'm saying
to you. I look, that ain't even a question when
it comes to YG Marley, Zion Marley, all that. It's
just a matter of time.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Love them.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Let a w what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
What was if you if there is an artist you
could choose, open up you know, hypotheticals here to executive
produce and produce an album for any artist in the world.
Who would that be right right now? Oh like in
modern day? Right now?

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, right now?

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Who who would you if you you know, hey, I'd
love to get it, Like they'd be dope to executive
producer and work on a project with this person.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Like j Cole, one of my favorites, like of all time,
you know what I mean because similar DNA. You know,
he's a producer, you know what I'm saying, And he's everything.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Else, get that, an incredible producer.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, so I would say, yeah for anybody think I'm
gonna go to the core, you feel what I'm saying,
Like I think that's where the connection would happen because
him as a producer and me as a composer producer,
get in there and start putting all them instruments together,
the vibes, you know, energy. He's one of my favorites.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
The fall off February sixth, did did you listen to
the first song that came out? He's kind of like
wrapping his entire life story backwards. Yeah, yeah, it's skin. Yeah,
he's heavy. Yes, talk about the new music, man, Like,
I'm excited. You've had so much stuff happening, right, I'm excited. Yeah,

(41:18):
talk about it man.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
So it's been like five years, I'd say, you know
what I'm saying, Like down on COVID, you know, niggas
get depressed, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
It was so crazy man, especially I'm a people person,
so and I know a lot of people that people person.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
We lost a lot.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
But so my next thing was like, Okay, what am
I gonna do now for legacy?

Speaker 1 (41:38):
You feel me?

Speaker 2 (41:39):
And then I was like versus saying I did this
in this era, I did that in this era. I'm
a go man versus machine, and I'm gonna drop seven
albums that represent the past seven genres that I have
been that I was one of the original venders in
the past thirty years. You know what I'm saying to

(42:00):
you now. So the country album, yeah, wy clups Young
got a country album? May Yo, What the hell cleft
know about country?

Speaker 1 (42:07):
You work with Kenny Rogers.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Not only did I work with Kenny Rogers family keV.
The first hip hop country album dub play is me
Kenny Rogers Pharaoh Marsh. That was the first idea that
So that's gonna be crazy, and yeah, we Caribbean people
was raised like on country music, like Devil went down
to Georgia and we know all of that. Johnny Cash

(42:29):
like heavy, y'all know what the reggae album gonna be like,
I don't even need to tell you. It's called One
Night in Kingston. Gonna be crazy. So seven albums. The
first one coming out is Black Moses. That's the hip
hop album, and yeah, it's gonna be crazy. Right now,
I'm waiting on g Herbal's verse, so I think like

(42:50):
the intros like me and g Herbal, I got a
scheme and I did that. I'm working on y'are gonna
love y'are gonna love it. I'm in that zone though,
I'm telling you I'm in the zone. That's all I
can say.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Do you feel because obviously that's by the way, a
white Cliff g Herbo song. I don't even know what
that sounds like. I can't wait to hear that.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
It's like, yeah, yeah, it's going. I'm telling you I'm
in this.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Are you Are you on the hit on this hip
hop album? Are you also like working with you know
some ogs?

Speaker 2 (43:22):
So the way, the reason why I call it Black
Black Moses inspired by Isaac Hayes. Then it's back to
the water. You feel what I'm saying to you. So
it's like I'm literally just crafting some of the MC's
that fit the film.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
That I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
You know, like I see Joey Badass, I feel what
I'm saying to you. I see like I see like
rap City. You see what I'm saying to you, people
like that. I see people like Ride Wave. You know
what I'm saying, like just like energy type of stuff
like that. You know what I mean and believe it
or not. Like if I was to hear a get

(44:00):
that like a super throwback, I can't hear like l
L you know what I'm saying, but modern you know
what I'm saying, because l L still go crazy.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Yo. That last L album from like two years ago,
very good album.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Super dope album, Super super Dope.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
The intro of that album is him rapping from the
perspective of James Is it James donor Chris donor the
cop that kind of like went on that spree and
was on the running California. It's fucking wild. Shout out
to L.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Yeah, yeah, Black Most is going to be crazy. The
R and B album gonna be nuts too. And and
y'all know you ever heard of a You ever heard
of a form of music called compa k O m
p a all right, so this you ever heard of
a dude named Joey dweat Fielick. So that style kompa

(44:56):
is originally from hat So now it's a genre, like
so it became like a whole new dance movement genre.
So and it's for my country. And on the album
I think you like the eclectic, I have one called
MVP compound again genre bendon. So so when we said
like welcome to Haiti, check that one out too, because
I think like you're gonna really dig that one, gonna

(45:17):
have a lot. I know a lot of kids are
gonna sample a lot of new sounds from that record,
so it's gonna be crazy too.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, you've all. I mean, I feel like even like
if you think back, like you had to sell your
cruise on the Carnival, like America was really hip to
what was going on with like the Spanish music shit.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
You know, come on, sell your cruise Tago cal doron
Evy Queen like all of that. What people be forgetting
is like that's the America's Like you got Haiti sent
to the Mingo, Puerto Rico, Cuba, all of that. Like
we're part of the Americas. You know what I'm saying to.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
You, Yes, you are a reggae head, heavy heavy reggae
had I want to how much of your reggae album
is finished? Or is it right now? Is it an idea?

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Is it non family? Everything that I told you is
eighty percent done. The only thing that I'm doing right
now is just the features. You feel me and you
know I'm a reggae head, so you know the features
can't be normal, right so, and then you know I'm
a dub plate specialist. Anyboy wan clash dead see So

(46:28):
as a dub plate specialist. There's a way that I
want to present because can you imagine every year, man,
people go, Cliff, what the fuck? Bro? Like you've been
singing reggae since you've been fifteen, give us a one
drop album? Can you believe like this is going to
be like my first reggae full album? And why dog?

(46:50):
I respect that culture so much musically that I felt
like I couldn't do it yet because you got to
understand as a student of Bob Marley, Jimmy, Cliff, it's
the name a few ten us all like. It's like
I wasn't trying to deliver a song. I was trying
to deliver an energy. So I hooked up with my boys,

(47:13):
the Compound, Yo, the band, remember this the Compound. So
I went to Jamaica with my man Panic.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
We get this.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
I want you to visualize this. So we're all in
this tiny little room. It looks like Bob Marley Redemption
song vibe yo and Yo, you already know, smoke on
the air and seeing you already know, and then the
vibe start and this is the whole album. One night
in Kingston. It's gonna be crazy.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Mm hmmm. We're good. We had a little pause the internet.
We're back. But anyway, you're telling me you're in a
small room. It's like Bob Marley Redemption songs.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Yeah, it's like, but think about it. The room is
only supposed to fit seven people, but it's a hundred
people in there, you know what I mean? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Were you like you guys flawlessly? You know my favorite
Bob Marley song. I mean it's one of them. But
you guys, we're able to do No Woman, No Cry
on the score? Yeah, I mean that's a very intimidating
song to conquer and like to like make your own

(48:30):
and pay respect to that had to be pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Yeah, but I mean you hit it again, right, So
you said the word pay respect right. So it's like,
at the end of the day, we didn't I didn't
just do the song. I reached out to Steve, Stephen
Marley right, of course, the Marley family, cause the approval
that I wanted was like when Rohan when they all
heard the song and it was like you sure you

(48:57):
not one of our brothers, right?

Speaker 1 (49:03):
You know what I mean? Yeah? Man, are you are?
Is it a bunch of uh? I don't know if
you've gotten to the futures part yet. But I'm assuming
you got some some reggae legends on that album.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Man, I got I had to, you know, I got
some reggae legends, but I got some upcoming legends too, right,
because I feel like with me, I always bring y'all
a pulse where either they gonna get it now or
they're gonna get it later. You know what I'm saying
to you. So some of the stars that me and
my man Panic of course shout out to d the

(49:35):
whole John Shop crew. What is being put together? I
feel like it hasn't been done man like honestly, because
what I was telling people is everyone goes for the feature,
a post for creating the body of work. So what
I want you to know is these seven projects, the

(49:57):
feature is the last thing cause I needed to paint
the entire picture. And now that we got the picture,
when we like, we rode training days, you know what
I'm saying. So we're like, Yo, we need Denn Washington.
You know what I'm saying. You feel me, Yo, we
rode boys in the hood. We need boom boom, boom boom.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
You feel me. That's where we're going. Yeah, do we
have a way to like an adapter to plug that in.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Okay, yeah we can hear you know, yo, you get
me hold on, let me see what's going on. Can
you hear me back? Yeah, we're back, baby, right here,
now you're yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
I was gonna and also not at being about the
feature you.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
I'm losing Kevin.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
At Ortiz and like, these are these artists that are
technically new artists that you were able to kind of
like just like, yo, it's a it's a hits, a hit,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah, And that's been my thing, right, so I ain't
changing my formula, you feel me, because I don't think
nothing is bigger than the song. So at the end
of the day, the material has to be amazing. And
if you get this amazing material and now you get
the right features, now you got supernatural in your hand.

(51:29):
You got that Carlo Santano supernatural vibe, you know what
I mean.

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Speaker 2 (52:07):
So it starts in March, So Black Moses is the
end of March. So yo. I'm sitting here with you
do and I don't know why. I had epiphany when
we was talking about the the reggae thing, and then
the movie shot Us came to my head, you know what,
you know what, so that it just came to my head.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Listen, listen. I'm so glad you brought that up because
that was one of the things I wanted to ask
you about, because you're in Shatas and.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Heavy and shot Us. I played Richief's.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
And from what I understand, your actual real life bodyguard
is also in Shatas.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Yeah beasts, Yeah, and he really about it, Like what
you see is what you get.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Yeah, so he's not even like he's like my brother,
like real brother.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
Yeah, thank you crazy.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Yeah, I'm back.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
I see you. I don't know if you see me.
Oh you're back? All right? Right, So I want to
I do want to talk about Shots. This is my
name is Bootleg keV for a reasoning pirated DVDs of Shots.
It is a classic. How do you end up in
that movie? It is one of the greatest independent gangster

(53:29):
movies of all time?

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Just family, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
Just family, greatest Jamaican gangster movie of all time. But like, yeah,
explain the backstory on how you end up in this?

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Yeah, I mean ses Severa, who's a genius. I still
say that till today. You know, he came up with
the idea with the script and and what I love
about his genius on and it's all like family, you
know what I'm saying to you. So it wasn't like
what makes the movie dope is like you see like
Kirby Enthusiasm where it's improv right, So it's a very

(54:06):
loose script. That's what made this shit genius, you know
what I'm saying. And I don't know better actors than
Caribbean people, to be honest with you, Yeah, everybody's Denzel.
So it was cool. So now I'm going in the
car and then the director would be like, y'all, maaia

(54:26):
kill leboy upon the car. But before you kill Labo,
I mewani here a joke. So set the boy up,
you know, don't let him know you're gonna kill him,
you know. So then my brain I go in my
Samuel Jackson pulp fiction, witty type shit. You know what
I'm saying. You know, it was white man, a black man,
and the Chinese man, right, you know what I'm saying,
So he can't see the kill coming. But I think

(54:49):
the power of Shot Us was that it was just
all real, like Officer Lang, it's all real, like what
you see is what you.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Get, you know what. Yeah, it's crazy too because it
was kind of like I think we had gotten introduced
a little bit to that in Belly, like Bellie kind
of had like a little bit, you know of like
that Jamaican flavor in it. But Shot was the most
like raw shit, and it was it's probably all time

(55:16):
five bootlegs movie.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah, no, one hundred percent everywhere. Yeah, you know, what
you need to check out. I was I had saw
Meek Mills the other day shout out to moves in
Miami Brooklyn chop House, and he came up to me
and you know what movie he told me seeing and
you I'm gonna put you up on it. It's a
documentary I did. It's called The Ghosts of Seat. They
solet to understand how the Gangs of Haiti really move.

(55:41):
Watch that movie, The Ghosts of Seat. They sole like
everybody that's you know that'd be watching Narcos all of that,
Because I want you to get cut. What happened is
you be getting like a back perspective of what the
news is. You know what I'm saying, Even if you
look at it on YouTube, it's hard to read it.
I want you to understand like the root of like
where our gang culture started. It's so important, you know

(56:04):
what I mean, Because it's more political than street if
that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
So in terms of like your political aspirations, I mean,
I'm sure just going through that whole process had to
be draining. I mean probably taught you a lot. Yeah,
would you say that your political aspirations are over with?

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Well, I'm not disappointed. I learned a lot, you know
what I mean? I see you know, if I would
have read any book on police side, I wouldn't have
even gotten like what I've gotten, you know what I'm saying.
So first of all, I ain't a politician. That's why
I ran because I feel like as we move towards
the future, the you know mankind, do you in specie,

(56:43):
they have less trust in politicians. But per my experience,
I was like, for my country, I'm better off being
a private sector guy.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
You know.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
I want to bring investment to my country. I want
to build a technology school. I'm looking at the amazing
beach resorts that we have. We have Punta Kana on
the other side, so why can't I, you know what
I'm saying, purchase something on our side and do that
and start big investment. Because if y'all know why klev
got an island, you're all coming. So at the end

(57:15):
of the day, in order to do that, we need
to enforce the anti corruption law and we need good
governance in the country. So at the end of the day,
I want to play part of that side to help
us get back to where we need to get to.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
New album in March, the first of seven.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
First of seven, Baby Black Moses is the first. Y'all
gonna love it.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
The one thing I don't want to not just bring
up real quick before you leave. You also have like
one of the biggest world worldwide songs ever with Shakira. Man, dude,
that's like one of them fucking ones. Buddy, that's that's
like a forever First of all, you got like fifteen
forever songs.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Yeah, and you know I got I say like, I
got fifteen happy birthday songs exactly.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
That's what I mean. You know what that mean.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
I can play a ball mix for every month and
I'm good.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Yeah, but shout out, shout out.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
To Shakira, shout out to the Goat, Shocky, shout.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
Out to you.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
I'm looking forward to hearing the new album. And I hope, man,
I hope you go on tour soon.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Man.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
I know you're doing these live shows at the Blue
Note in LA this weekend, but I think if you
did a tour.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Definitely we look forward to the toy and then you know,
I'm gonna see you in a minute.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
You know. Boutleg keV.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
You know, let me know if you're going to bootleg
Black Moses before I put it out.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Man, I'm not no, I'm over my bootleg days, but
I need to listen again. I gotta thank you as
a kid. I'm recording this at my best friend Ramses' house.
Shout out to your best friend. So listen. He's the
one who used to buy the Punt Registry. Be like,
I don't think you understand why Cleff has a million
dollar cars. I'm about it for real, has more money

(59:00):
than any rapper. This is like the big remember, like
the big timers and baby of course.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Yeah yeah, but I was I was just I was
an investor in blue chip cars. That's different than he knew.
Your friend knew what Tommy was. He knew what the investments.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Were before I let you go. If it's not blue
chip cars in twenty twenty six, what are you invested
in it?

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Still?

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Are you still?

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, no, definitely it's good that you said that.
So first thing is, I'm a chief Officer of Culture
for us DC, which is stable coin. And look into
that because you got one point two billion people, Yeah
you got one point you look into you as DC.
You know, coming from Haiti or parts of the world,
you know how it is moving money around and trying

(59:44):
to get money to different places.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Buddy, I have I always park some cat because obviously I'll,
like you know, I'll do some leveraging on the crypto side,
but you have to kind of run it through USDC
depending on you know what you're using. Wallet, you're using all.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Right, So yeah, so so now if you go, you'll
see like I'm a chief officer. So and again for
me taking that position about culture and how we educate
people into doing that, I'm very excited. As far as investments.
The first like big franchise I want to do now
moving forward is the y Clefs your Carnival, inspired by
what they did with Margaritaville or hard Rock Cafe.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
It's an immerse.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
It's going to be immersed performance and culinary experience. So
the first one is going to be in Brooklyn. So
right now, I think like we're two years away from it.
I've been talking about this for years, but I think
we're getting there. We play chess, so we moved slow,
but we're gonna land.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
That's going to be a hit man. I'll look forward
to eating at the carnival. You already know, family, I
got you y cleft. Appreciate you for pulling up and
making this happen. Brother, Thank you, respect king'