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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yo.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
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all right, man, Bootleg cap Podcast special guests in here,
a skateboard legend, p rod Paul Rodriguez.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
What's going down?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
How you doing, buddy?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I'm doing lovely, man. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yes, sir, man, you were like kind of like one
of the dudes who kind of like I feel like,
kicked the door down in terms of like what was
possible for skating because I feel like Nike and skateboarding
was so like just the idea of that being like
a real thing.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, it was like it was pretty controversial at the
time when when I got on Nike. It was like
you got skaters being like super core, like fucked a,
this is our industry, Like we don't want the corporate,
corporate companies coming in, and so like it was like
a little bit of a a little bit of a
risky movie.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, because there's all these like shoe brands that are
just like yeah obviously at these DC or all the
core brands, and so they had this like grip on
the market and then ESB's come in.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
And yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it was just like
a situation and I was like I have to see
what this is about, Like you know what I mean,
Like I grew up in the Michael Jordan era. Of course,
you know, I wanted to be like Mike. We all
wanted his shoes growing up. I just didn't never think
that skateboarding when I started. It's just not something I
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thought I can dream about being one day being a
Nike Ethice and and and when they came knocking on
my door with that type of opportunity, man, I mean
I had to what year is this two thousand and four?
Damn man.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So you're sixteen at.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
The time, nineteen nineteen, okay, So like back then, like
obviously skate magazines are big, and then like there'd be
all these like vhs is that people would buy, and shit,
what was like the thing that kind of got you
on their radar.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
At that time? I was, I was. I was pretty
well established for the like since I was like fifteen
is when I first came on the scene. So like
over that four year period, i'd like, you know, been
pretty active and pretty busy, and I was pretty well
known already in the core kind of skate world. I had,
you know, a sponsorship with S that was the shoe
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company I was with.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah Costin too, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Costin is that his shoe?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Does he own that?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I was? No? No, he was, he owned he I mean
he was he's like the face that he was the
boss of S. Yeah, for sure, but he didn't own it.
But he's Nike now, so for him yeaheah. And I
was with like Girl Skateboards, So I was like with
like the most prominent companies at that time, and they would,
you know, get me ads in the magazines and video
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parts and the biggest videos. So I was I was
getting well known. And so when Nike, you know, was
starting up their skate program. It started a couple of
years before I got on with some more like core
kind of underground more skate skaters. But I guess they
got to a point where they all, right, we need
like our franchise guy to like help kind of really
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break it through. And I was honored when they approached me,
like thinking that maybe I could be that guy for them.
It was like a huge honor.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
You must have like an insane just amount of grails, sbs, and.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
You would think, you would think, but at the time
I didn't care, Like I like, they were just sending
me shoes, dunks, all the grails, and I was just
skating them. I would just wrecking them, ripping them. But
you know, there was a couple like that I got
rid of. You know, a couple of people offer me
some money else Yeah, sure, dude, what but there's a
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few that I've I mean, I've pretty much have had
them all slipped through my fingers at one point. If
I just had the foresight to like stack them up.
I'd probably have like, you know, a couple of million
worth in my collection. It's just a little retirement collection there.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, because there was like this crazy dunk wave of sb's,
like when it was like the Tiffany dunks, and they
all of.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Them, all of them. I had them all almost all
of them. Yes, a couple of them, you know, don't
get me wrong, you know, slaying a couple on the
side here and there, but like not at all what
the prices would have been if I'd have held onto them.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Do you like how hands on is it? Because obviously,
you know, at least when I was a kid, I
used to like sketch sneakers and shit. So when you're
able to design your own shoe, yeah, it's gotta be
fucking cool.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
It was dope and it is dope. But you know, I,
especially early on, I was such like a a skate nerd,
like obsessed with skating, Like I didn't want to be
bothered with anything unless it was like being on my
skateboard skating. So like my first shoe, they team me
up with this guy Michael Hernandez and he's the one
who designed it. But what he would do back then
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is like basically, come up on the computer, make a
few different renderings pictures, drawings of what he's thinking, print
out the papers for me of all different options, and
I'd be like, I like that, I like this one,
but I like the soul on this one, but I
like the design over here. Maybe let's try mashing these together.
And then we made a sample we tried out.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And then you have to skate in the sample.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Obviously, yep, I'll skate the samples. Tell him like, uh,
you know, I don't like the way this feels too thick,
too thin, whatever, and just like basically a narrowing down process,
which took about a year, a little over year.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, yeah, is there for you man? Because I grew up.
I'm thirty eight. So skate boarding was like pop culture
back then, Like we had Tony Hawk. Obviously, Tony Hawk
did so much for kids to discovery the sport. The
X Games were at all time high back then. You know,
how do you feel like the skateboarding industry is like today?
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It feels like it's obvious. I feel like it's kind
of like it's not as as mainstream as mainstream, but
kind of more mainstream at the same time.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I know what you're saying, because, like you.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Like hip hop kids. Back then, like we were very
like fuck skaters, we're hip hop kids. But then like
obviously certain artists kind of merge the worlds and now yeah,
they're one in the same.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, I think, I mean, you just got to give
credit to social media basically, like it's really created. It's
like you see it in every culture. It's like everything's
kind of merged together, like everybody knows a little bit
about a lot of a lot more things than we
used to. Like I used to only be like had
the horse blinders on. All I did was skate watch
skate videos. I didn't care what else was going on
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in the world. But like now it's kind of hard
to avoid. It's just there in your face. So I
see what you're saying. It's like it doesn't necessarily feel
as like concentratedly mainstream, but it's like all over the
culture sprinkled, you know what I mean, which it's.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Like widely accept because I feel like, you know, like
guys like Terry Kennedy and and for well was going
by skateboard pe. Yeah, there was like all the shit
that was happening there kind of just slowly like made it. Oh,
it's okay to be a skater, you know, and then
like Tony Hawk's cracking, and then like even the Tony
Hawk's soundtrack was so fucking crazy, like for it, Yeah,
some of the records that they embedded into your skull. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And I'm just noticing now too that the point I'm
at in my career, I realized, at some point everybody
skated a little bit, right, you know, like when they're
fifteen sixteen, and a lot of times those were like
really special nostalgic moments in their life that they'll always remember.
So like all meet guys who are like well known
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now in a different fields, whether it be music or
acting a comedy who like I'll meet him to be yo,
what up dude? And I'm like what you know? Me?
Like you're you you know what I mean? Like and like, no,
I used to skate, and I just it's so cool
to now have been in it for so long that
at some point, like they just have that nostalgic memory
of my skating at that point in time.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Who's uh, Because there's some really good skaters in hip
hop and I'm sure on you know, the entertainment side,
like hops In is.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Fucking Hopson's probably like the best.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Skate quietly rich the kids pretty good.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
He's pretty he could skate, but Hopy is like really
good Hopson like skater skater. He actually told me we
went to school together, and I didn't realize it at
the time. I guess I was a great ahead of him,
And years later when I met him, he was like, bro,
we used to go to junior high together, Like what
are you seriously Like? Yeah, uh so that was pretty
small world. But you know who else could skate is
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yellow Wolf.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yellow is a great skate Yes.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yellow Wolf's good. Um, there's a few. Logic got a
couple moves, does he? Yeah, Logia has a few moves.
I've seen him all the heel flip before.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, anybody ran him, like any comedians or actors or anybody.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, my boy, Renee Vodka.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Hey, shout out to Renee Vodka. I just got really
ship faced with him last week me too, great fucking
guy was at the Burner concert and he was poorn tequila.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah yeah, him and his tequila pineapples. Yeah, I mean
I hang out with Renee. I don't know. He's all
the time. He's the man hilarious. Somebody, don't let him
fool You met that boy? Could He'll flip Yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Shout out to Renee Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Shout Renee Man. One of the best comedians out right. Now.
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Let's get back to the interview. What's it like speaking
to comedians growing up with your dad?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Uh? It was cool, Like, you know, I didn't live
with him growing up, so I live with my mom
and he was always on the road working, So I
would get like, you know, a random weekend here and
there with him, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, I mean that's kind of the life right there
on the road every weekend.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, pretty much binding And if he wasn't doing that,
he was on some movie set or TV set. He
was always busy and working, and uh so I just
got to see a lot of cool experiences. A lot
of times, you know, he would bring me and I'd
I'd be backstage at one of his big shows and
I'd be meeting random cool people and I'd be on
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a set just running around. He'd have somebody like keeping
an eye on me because I was like a little
active kid running around behind stage, like just getting into trouble.
So it was a really good experience. I think the
biggest takeaway I got from it that I didn't realize
i got older, was like it was normal for me
to dream big. It was normal for me to think that,
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like you could have a dream and it's gonna happen
because I'm here watching it for him, right. So like
every time I approached a new hobby, I approached it
like this is what I'm going to do with my life.
And luckily with skateboarding, that was the thing that I
stuck with the most, and so I never had that
like kind of mental barrier in my mind of like
I don't know if I could do it. It was just
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like no, if I just work hard enough, I'm going
to do it. And so I think that was a
big like.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeh, help, who is the coolest person backstage you met
at one of your dad shows? Oh?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Man, there's a couple of people like Jimmy Smith was
always super dope, super cool. Me, yeah, super cool actor. Uh,
Carlos Santana was that's pretty great, so cool. So my
dad used to have a talk show called It'll Show
that Paul Rodriguez on was it Univision, Telemundo one of
the other. And I was probably about six, maybe seven,
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and I didn't know who Carlos Santana was at this time.
You know, I'm just roaming the halls backstage, you know,
just doing what I want to do, and this a
green room or dressing room was open, and I just
hear like a guitar and I'm just like, I look you, oh, hey, man,
Like that's a cool guitar. And he was like, oh
yeah you think so I was like yeah, I was like, hey,
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can you play the the song from the Pink Panther liken'
didn't and he just did it. He was like, I think, so,
I think I got that one, and he did it,
and I was so mind blow. Was like, oh my god,
you're really good man. And I ran.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Dad, Dad, Dad, the sky.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
You gotta put on my should you the pink panther.
So that was a pretty cool little moment. And then
another time, mister T, oh that's sick. Well, yeah, he
was the man like I seen him at the used
to have the Christmas Day parade every year in Pasadena
and my dad was in the parade. One year, brought
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me and he was like doing an interview and we
were sat at the same table with like mister T
and some other people, and you know, eighteen was out
at this time, and it was just like I was
so hyped that he was there and my dad was
doing an interview and I had to go to the
bathroom real bad. I forget who I told. I was like,
I gotta go pee, and he heard me. He was like,
come on, little man, I got you. He picks me,
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He puts me over his shoulders, like, walks me to
the restroom, puts me down. All right, go ahead, are
you been his? Then I go to the bat like,
come out, he's waiting for me. He puts me back on,
then he takes me back to the table and says
me down. So that's another great memory I have.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
So were your parents pretty supportive of like, you chasing
the dream of being a pro skateboarder? Did it is? Yeah,
because I mean I feel like you got to get
dropped off of competitions in a skate park, and yeah,
got a cheap hobby.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
It's cheaper than most. But but when it comes to
that point, yeah, shout out to Uncle Dave. He's the
one who would take me to all the contests. He
would sign me up and drive me, get the hotels,
book them for us. So he was always super supportive
in that. My mom was really supportive in the sense of,
you know, if I wanted to take karate class as
a kid, she would sign me up. If I wanted
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to play a Little league baseball, sign me up like
so when it came to skateboarding, she was all good
with it. There was no really like places to get lessons.
I just wanted to go out in the backyard with
my friends and and skate, So she was like, yeah,
you know, enjoy your your kid explore, you know, be active.
And then my dad it wasn't that he wasn't supportive,
he just didn't get it. He didn't understand it. Like
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when I was like telling him like I'm going to
be a pro skater, He's like like, what is that? Like,
have no problem with me skating. You know, you're twelve
thirteen years old. Have fun, you know that's what boys do,
you know. But I was like, I'm going to be
a pro Skater's like, son, like what I was like, Yeah,
I'm going to be a pro skater. He's like, there's
no money in that. I'm like, yeah, there isn't. Eric
Coustin was my example. I was like, no, Eric Couston
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He's he makes a lot of money. I had no
idea how much this got he's making or not, but
in my mind he was like a gajillionaire. And he
just was like, son, I think, you know, have fun,
but like you should like think about what you really
want to do with your life that old time.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
You probably heard similar shit from your grandparents about being
a professional.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Literally what I told him, that's literally what that's the
That's the one thing that I told him where he
never like tried to talk me out of it. Ever again.
I was like, Dad, like, you know, Grandma and grandpa,
all you guys immigrated straight from Mexico, grew up in Compton,
poor migrant farm workers, and you told him you're going
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to be a comedian and this is the way you're
going to take care of the family. He was like,
I was like yeah, and he was like, okay, you
got me. Like, that's the only time I've ever like,
not had the last words with a comedian.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Is there a trick that you had to perfect over
time that might have taken some years off your life,
or that you've wracked up the most injuries trying to
figure that?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I guess yeah, it wasn't even one that I was
trying to perfect. It was one that I thought I
had pretty good. But you know, it was just a
freak accident. Back in twenty eighteen, I blew out my
whole right knee, every ligament, everything, the meniscus is aco,
everything was all torn apart. I was skating these stairs.
I did this trick called a half cab flip. I
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just completely missed the pop airballed, it landed crazy wrong,
felt the whole thing pop out of place and go back.
And so that took me out for a good two years.
So I had never been off my board for longer
than maybe a month at that point, from like a
sprained ankle or something. So that took me out a
good two years.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
How many stairs was it?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
It was only nine. It wasn't like a crazy big set.
It was just it's a freak accident. But as far
as a single trick besides like that type of thing. Nah,
it's just an accumulation now, like my knees, my ankles,
I feel it now, I bet yeah. They're talking to
me every morning when I get out of bed. Those
first few steps are like I'm aching.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
When you're like coming up, Like there's like work guys,
street guys, guys who could do both, Like what would
like because I feel like a lot of the more
old school guys were more like halfpipe bruhs. You know
what I'm saying? Like what what?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
What?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I guess like because you would say you're more of
a street skater? Yeah? What uh? Made? Was it just
at a necessity, Like I can learn how to skate
because the streets outside Like no.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
It was kids at school, sorry, my kids texting me.
It was kids at school that I just I would
walk to school in the morning for seven grade, and
every morning they were out there skating in the parking lot.
Every every day after school they were back in the
parkland and I just found myself standing there like at
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a distance and just watching them. I thought it was
the coolest shit I ever seen in my life. Like
they could jump, they could land back on at the board, flips,
they keep going. I was just like just enamored by it,
and I had to know how it was done, Like
like when you see a magician do a magic trick
and oh my god, my kid. Sorry, Uh, Mike, can
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you text or ask her what she needs?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Sorry? Thanks, dude?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
O was I? Oh yeah, it was like a magic trick.
I just had to know how it was done. So
finally I just saw one of the kids and asked them, like, hey,
can I try standing on your board?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
And oh my god, sorry, dude, take your freaking kids.
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Speaker 1 (21:06):
Sorry, Yeah, yeah, I take care of the kid. So yeah,
I just fell in love with it watching kids at
school skate and one day I finally work up the
courage to ask him if I can try, and I
was hooked.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Oh shit.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
And then that year for Christmas, I just told everybody like,
just I don't know what I want. Just can I
have some money? I just want to get a skateboard.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Do you remember what brand you first bought?
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, it was a Powell Powell Blank Venture trucks, bones,
wheels and just like random bearings. And I think Shorty's
hardware that's crazy. Yeah, is like for you?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I wonder because I feel like you're one of the
guys who has kind of like changed like the trajectory
of what skateboarding can be. And I think Tony Hawk's
one of those guys, even like Rob dear Deck's a
guy like that for sure. Who would you kind of
put up in the like most influential, impactful skaters of
all time, not necessarily the best, but like guys who
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are just very, very impactful.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I mean, you named a nice chunk of them. Let's
Chad Muska chat to Chadman, Yeah, Kareem Campbell, Stevie Williams
of course Costin, Yeah, Eric Cousten, Tom Penny, Christian Hassoy
for the generation even you know before Eric's Lance Mount
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and Christian Assoy, Steve Caballero. I feel bad because I
know I'm gonna be driving later and be like, shit,
I should know.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I mean, I mean, I think he hit a lot
of the guys.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
That's a good that's a good little bunch of them
right there.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Because Chad has was was super, Chad's Chad super.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I don't know if it was like his his. I
want to say he had some ownership for sure. He
definitely launched it. He was the guy like they used
to launch its thought DC. He's as well, that's fucking crazy, huh.
He's from Eazy Uh. Rob didn't own d C. But
I want to say he had a.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Little piece of sure hope. So after he worked on
that show.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
No, he he's the best businessman that I know, and
he was getting his fair share, his more than fair
share from DC. He had a he had a crazy
hustle with them early on before it was like normal
to uh really have big shoe deals. He already had
it before he was even robing big. Before all that,
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he was already like his business mind was crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, would you say Street League is kind of like
taking the place of Like, I mean, I feel like
X Games is obviously still very big, right it's going
on right now, but yeah, it feels like I'm the
skateboarding front like Street League is kind.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Of right now. Yeah, Street League is the most respected
I guess skate contests going on right now. In my opinion,
there's a new one coming out in a couple of
weeks called the PSL, which is a really good one,
which I think in my opinion it's going to be
like right there on a Street League confessional, Yeah, Professional
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Skate League. So I think that one, because it's a
total different format, is going to have a chance to
be like right there on a street lead.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
What's different?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So it's just skating a set of stairs, and so
it's like it's like playing a game of horse. So
like there's three it's teams. First of all, three verse three.
One guy goes does a trick, the next team has
to do that same trick or this team gets their point.
And so it's like baseball in the sense of like
if this team keeps landing tricks to keep going, but
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if they miss up three times and it switches over
and now they get to start over. So it's like
got innings. So you don't have to understand what the
tricks are. You don't have to know regular switch, faky, nalli, whatever.
You just know this guy landed that trick and this
team needs to land that trick. So it's gonna be like.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
A lot of good are there like team names?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah, I got a team. I'm an owner.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Oh okay, so you own a team in the league.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Own a team in the league, Yeah you could.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
There's franchises, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, there's six teams right now. You got Team Sahs,
which is my team.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
What's that mean?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
It's it's my skate crew that I had since two
thousand and one that only four of us know the name.
We never tell nobody anything, but it's like that's our
our team name Sahs. You got Losantos, which is headed
up by Felipe Gustavo you have the Wolverines, which is
headed up by Chris Jocelyn, the SODI of twenty twenty five?
(25:42):
Uh who else?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
You got?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Jamie Foy and a shod split a team, but I
don't remember what their team is called. Another team called Lithium.
Niger has a team. I should know all the team
names off top of my hand, but I can't own. Man,
but it's only we only care about sahs.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Are you gonna skape?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, I'm a skate that's yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
So we got six guys on each team, so you
can have like a bench and starters.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I saw Niger just had a pretty crazy injury.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Man, Yeah that was wild, pretty wild, Like he was
azy when that happened, just.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Like never know, right, Yeah, No, even if you're like
the best in the world, you're still fucking skateboarding doing
crazy shit.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah yeah, I mean, and he does. He pushes himself
like unreal limits. And the crazy part is what he
was trying wasn't even that like I would expect that
that wouldn't have been the craziest thing he's He's done.
He's done some pretty like death defying stuff, but just
freak accidents like when you're skating rails that big, Like
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just one little miscalculation and that can happen, you know, So,
like you said, it doesn't matter how how good you are,
a freak accident.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I remember seeing him and he was like a little
kid skating.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Dreads long ass. Yeah, yeah he was. He's been on
the scenes. He's like nine ten years old, crazy, like
a little child prodigy.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
When is it so the PSLs in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, So the first PSL is now going to be
on February seventh, I believe so. Yeah, Team Sahs versus
Los Santos, that's our first team that we battle, and
I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Do you uh you make it into one of the
later Tony Hawk games. I think it was the Which one?
Was it? The Doug one?
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I was in Underground? I was in one more thing
I can't project eight.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah. By the way, I played neither but one through four.
I was fucking fucking shit up on.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Are you do you feel like because I know certain
people think that skate is the better skate franchise, I'm
a Tony Hawkeye. What do you think is the best
skateboarding game of all time?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Oh? You're putting me in a tight spot here. I
love Tony to death. He's the man. But I will
have to say, when skate first came out, I'm just
talking in that era, it was more realistic, the moves,
the way they they had, Like the tricks, look the
way you even on the controllers, you did them kind
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of similar to how your feet would move. So as
an actual skater, I was like, this is actually more
realistic to the tricks that are going down.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
That makes sense. Yeah, it was definitely. That's why I
think that's why I did like it as much. I
was like, man, I'm trying to fucking yeah, that's Tony Hawk.
Tony Hawk. Man.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
That's what was so smart though, Like Tony Hawk and
those guys, like they knew that they were trying to
reach the masses. Yes, and you know, so business wise,
that's much smarter.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
What do you think is the greatest skate trick ever landed?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
It's hard to say, man, there's really no true answer,
but I'm gonna say just because off the top of
my head right now, Chris Johnson just did a three
sixty flip down El Toro, which is twenty stairs qumungous
and it's like, that's the reason why he won Skater
of the Year this year, among you know, his other
amazing skating, but that was the one that really sealed
the deal for him. So I'm just saying, because that's
(29:02):
on the top of my head right now, that I'm
going to go with that.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
That's tight. Yeah, have you been because we talked a
little bit obviously shot to Deshaun, who's also a Nike skater.
He's from my hometown. Have you, like, have you kind
of helped mentor him at all because he's obviously on
the younger side.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, we're pretty close. We're pretty close. Actually, when we
did the first PSL like sample game, he was my teammate.
It was me and him. Oh, and he's he's going
to be in the PSL as well. But I hang
out with him often, and you know, I'm always there
to offer advice anytime he has any questions or you know,
(29:39):
anything career wise or business wise that he's that he's
you know, I don't want to say struggling with but
just debating on I guess you know, he comes to me.
But I never, like, you know, try to be forceful
by anything because I've made millions of mistakes, so sometimes
my advice could be wrong, So but I'm always there.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
From in twenty twenty six, I'm sure it's changed, Like
how you get on the radar to get sponsors and
become a quote unquote professional skater because we have social
media and all this stuff. What would you say is like,
if someone is in their hometown and they're skating every
day and they feel like they're really dope, Like, what
do you think is like the best advice for somebody
to try to kind of just get on the radar
to try to get some sort of financing from one
(30:25):
of these companies.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, I mean obviously, you know you would think it's
like about high level skating, which that is a factor,
But I would say I would argue that skating is
more comparable to like music than any other sport, right,
Like you got guys who can wrap their asses off,
but can't sell a record to save their life. Same
thing as skateboarding. Like you got guys who can do
(30:47):
the hardest tricks in the world no one's ever done.
But if you're not appealing to that audience, if you're
not making the kids out there watch it want to
be like you, if you're not inspiring nobody, then it's
going to be hard for you to get a career going.
So I would suggest to everybody, like, yes, perfect your craft,
but it's not just in doing the hard tricks. You
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got to be mindful of, like how you make the
tricks look, how graceful you are with your your style,
not just your clothing style, but like the way you
look when you actually are doing the tricks. How you
dress also will help. You. Know, it doesn't have to
be a specific way of dressing, but like if you're
if you're good on knowing who you are and your
personal style and you put yourself together, well that will help.
(31:28):
Like you have to think about making yourself marketable.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
You kind of want to make yourself a brand. Like
that's the whole thing, right exactly, you got it, Like
you gotta have eyes on you so people could be like, yeah,
I want you to wear a shit.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah exactly. So like I'll see footage from kids, like
they'll DM me footage or whatnot, and like basically every
kid's good these days. If they're they're getting to the
level of trying to submit a sponsor me tape, you
just look for those other factors, Okay, like, Okay, he's
got a cool style to him. He's got a whole
vibe to him. I like his tricks, choices of t ricks, obstacles,
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he skates. And then you got to meet them in personally.
How does he vibe with the rest of the guys.
They got a good attitude and all those type of things.
You got to think about it. If you want to
be a pro skater, you got to remember, like that's
gonna be your job and your career. So there's other
things that come along with it. Signings, demos, tours, you know,
some pressure to filming deadlines. You know, it's not just
(32:23):
like when you're when you're younger and you're just with
your friends and it's on your own time, right, Like
you have to like.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, it's like you're like professional is the keyword, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
So there's a lot of kids I've seen come in
not be able to like adjust to that and like
disappear and just not talk to.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Me about primitive and like because that's turned into like,
I mean, you guys have been on a crazy run.
You go to Zoomies. It's in there, Like what was
the was there was there anything about starting your own brand,
like that that you know was a little more difficult
than you thought, and just talk about the brand in general.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
The whole time has been difficult. It's been it's been
a really hard, hard journey because skateboarding is such a
critical culture, right, Like you go a little too big,
you sold out. You make a business decision, but it
might not align with a cultural decision, you know what
(33:18):
I mean. So, like it's really hard to put those
two worlds together. It's almost like oil and vinegar. It's
really hard to get those two worlds to blend. So
you get a lot of shit sometimes, but sometimes you
got to make decisions for the business. Sometimes you got
to make decisions for the culture.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
You guys have some pretty crazy collapse too. Yeah, I
feel like I bought my kid like some sort of
was it Dragonball y'all?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, we had dragon ball Z, no Ruto Sublime, I
just a sublime. Yeah, we're about to launch our next one.
We had Outcast, Tupac Biggie.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Do you curate a lot of that stuff?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Not me personally, my partner, Jubil, He's like he's our
design like brand kind of guy. I'm still kind of
more just I just love the skating part. I'm the
I'm the face. I'm shaking hands, kissing babies and out
here skating.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
It feels like we're living in like some historical times,
especially with what's been going on with this ice shit
in Minnesota and everywhere. I mean, that's staring content today. Horrible.
I just saw pictures of live in content today.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Really.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, yes, sir, obviously, you know, being uh of Hispanic descent,
You're you're like you said, your dad grew up here.
His parents, you say, came from.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
From Mexico, Mexico.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, from Mexico, work in the farms. What are your
thoughts on just the temperature of what's going on right now?
And just like this, the whole ice sh it is.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Kind of well, I'm quite frankly, I'm fucking scared, like,
not not even necessarily, just for like myself or whatever.
I mean, like just in general, Like I'm scared for
for my people, you know, I'm scared for like friends
and my friend's families. I'm scared for for people. I
just I don't know, man, Like it's just I don't
(35:05):
even know how to put it into words, Like I
haven't really posted on it. I really haven't say anything
about it because like I don't even know how to
articulate how I feel. It's just it's scary, it's fucking sad, disgusting.
I don't know, man, it just it like literally gives me,
like just make me sick to my stomach. What's happening
(35:28):
to people? Because it's just it just feels like something
bigger is going on.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
For sure. It feels like we don't have all the information. Yeah,
like they've just kind of taken like four or five
of the constitutional amendments and just flesh.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah, it's like little by little, these things are kind
of like, oh, we'll take this away, we'll take that away,
and like how far before we all don't realize that
we're like fully like yeah, States, yeah exactly. So like
on a bigger note, that's that scares me as well.
I'm just scared of this.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Like I saw a video today of like a five
year old kid having to defend himself in court. What. Yeah,
it was fucking crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I saw the other day that they like took a
kid and used them as base, yes, And that shit
had me crying, bro, I had me tearing up.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
That's like there's like a footage yesterday that came out
there's a detention center in Texas somewhere. They flew a
drone over it. But like the lawyer was like trying
to get in to talk to somebody who was represented.
The wouldn't let him in, but you could hear everyone's
screaming on the inside, like kids screaming, brought so fucked.
That's like what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah? Like I don't understand like how humans can we
can be so like non compassionate for each other.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
You know, yeah. I just like even on the you know,
the the dude who just died, you know, it was
like it's just funny to watch like people who are
like hardcore Second Amendment like advocates like do you know
gymnastics to try to make it make sense why that
dude deserve to get shot. I'm like, what do we
is this America or not? What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
And we're becoming desensitized, I mean because we see this shit.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Every day, Like there's thirteen things a day that pops
up where you're like, wait, yes, is this the new normal?
I felt the same thing was happening with gods Wher.
It was like is this just like what's going on?
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Like yeah, it's like I don't even know, Like it's
so much going on in the world, so much like
pain that like I don't even know what to feel anymore,
Like it's like too much to take on. Like how
do you even.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Feels like you're helpless? Man?
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, so I don't know if it's the right thing
or not, but like I kind of try to like
not hear about as much as like.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
If you if I dude, the Twitter doom scroll is
it'll put you in a fuck. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, I really try to be a little bit like ignorant,
Like ignorance is bliss. I know that's probably not necessarily good,
but at this point, like I don't even know what
to do, Like we can post about it, like does
that do anything? I don't know. Right, it just fucking sucks,
and I'm just praying for everybody.
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League is coming in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, you might fud show you my sneaker. Yeah please,
Nike ESB Padriguez one sneaker coming out. Okay, I got you,
I got you. So this this is my first shoe.
So last year we did a twenty year anniversary. It
came out in two thousand and five.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Is it the one of the elephant print?
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah we did that one that was the
j rod. Yeah, so I'll just leave.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
It sen Yeah put that up there.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Those are clean, thank you, brother. So last year we
came out for the twenty year anniversary was the first
ever retro shoe that Nike SB ever did. And this
year we're keeping them out, but doing new colorways that
we've never done before. And this one is kind of like,
you know, a homage to Kobe because he was a
(40:37):
big inspiration to me growing up.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yesterday was it was.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
His anniversary of his passing, and so I didn't want
to do the standard like you know, Laker color obvious.
So we thought about it and we went back to
the twenty ten All Star jerseys of the West. Yeah,
and kind of did this shoe that colorway, kind of
like just just put a little little homide, you know.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
To like Mama, like the kind of the the stitch.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Pattern, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
No, those are clean. So when do those come out?
Speaker 1 (41:07):
So this will be out February ninth, Right, February ninth,
it drops, So good luck, thank you, brother, I.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Appreciate what I'm saying, Like, good luck getting your hands
on them. Oh you should have sell out immediately.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Noah, No, well we got you. You'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
The sb's man.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Yeah, I'm super super grateful. I can't believe, you know,
as a skateboarder twenty years later, still have my name
like my shoe, my name on a shoe with Nike, like.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Outside of your own shoes what's your favorite SB ever,
because there's been some. I mean, fuck, man, you could
go down a rabbit hole with that, like.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Man, I mean it would definitely be a dunk. Which
one man? Oh, Actually, my favorite dunk I have an
answer to that is the the Sea Crystals. The Sea
Crystal dunks, like when they were like when I first
got on Nike, they were they were out and I
just remember loving the way they skated. The swede on them.
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It was just and I love the way they looked.
So I skated the shit out of though I just
kept I don't know, I probably must have skated ten
to fifteen pairs. I wish I'd have kept them all,
but hindsight's twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
I'm looking at them right now here.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
I remember these, yeah, yeah, yeah, I used to love.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Those kind of like got the you know, like a
little Tiffany Tiffany. Yeah, those Tiffany's. Man. I got banned
off eBay selling fake ones. Really, I was.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Like seventeen, Hey man, you got a hustle. Got a hustle.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
That's how I got my name back in the day.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Not that it makes sense makes sense.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Not anymore obviously. So February ninth, shoes are coming out.
That's around the time that the.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
All Star I think All Stars that weekend.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yeah, that is that weekend Star game.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
I think they have me going out to do something
over there. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
And then when is the PSL kicking off?
Speaker 1 (42:50):
The PSL will be February seventh.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Oh, so it's like the same week. You got a
big week.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah, I got a big next couple of weeks coming up,
so wish me luck y'all.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Did you guys already you already have like set plan
for the PSL shit, Like, do you guys kind of know, like, hey,
everybody can nail this, it might be a little tough
for them to nail it.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Yes, and no, we have a certain idea. I wouldn't
call it set because you got to be pretty flexible
and fluid. But after the first week I'll probably understand
better how to strategize because it's an all new format,
so we're all learning as we go. So I think
I got my starter my starter's set, and uh, I
(43:30):
strategically chose everybody on my team who skates differently. I
didn't want everybody to have all Yeah, if this team
hits us with a certain trick, hopefully we got a
guy that has that trick as well to defend it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
I always wondered, could you define what a poser is
from a skater perspective?
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, I mean, I guess what some might call, I
guess a culture vulture.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Uh, just you know, but but the skate version.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah, exactly, just you dress like a skater. You I
don't know, like might even say that you used to
skate and you used to be able to do this,
and you can't do anything. Yeah, just when you just
unnecessarily overly talk yourself up about it when you just
(44:15):
don't need to. It's like, it's not that serious, No
one's judging you that hard.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Would you say that, Like, if anybody were to say
they're a skater that the bare minim they should be
able to land as a kickflip.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
No, I think I think that to be to constitute
yourself with skaters, just to have a passion for doing
it and actually just attempt to do it on a
regular basis.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
It's also a means a transportation.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
It is a means a transportation, But that don't make
you skate. That just means you, you know, you use
your border to get around.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Because They're like, they're the long border chicks, you know
what I mean with the dreads and the furry armpits.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
I wasn't thinking of those ones, but.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
You see these chicks on Vetta's Beach with longboards and
you're like.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
It's crazy. When I was coming up like skaters, like
thinking about like girl skaters are like, it never seemed appealing,
but then at some point it started getting pretty right. Yeah,
so it's all good.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah, the same thing with it. I feel like that
we went through the same thing with the w NBA.
We grew up and I was like, man, let mean
and then w NBA chick should start getting hotter and
hotter and you're like.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Damn yeah, which I'm not.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I'm not upsetting anyway. Man, appreciate you pulling up February nine.
She was coming out the seventh. You guys are competing.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Is that gonna be on TV or YouTube or I'll
be live stream YouTube there it is, Man, p Rod,
Thank you, brother, thank you.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
I appreciate it.
Yo.
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Speaker 1 (00:46):
What's going down?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
How you doing, buddy?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I'm doing lovely, man. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yes, sir, man, you were like kind of like one
of the dudes who kind of like I feel like,
kicked the door down in terms of like what was
possible for skating because I feel like Nike and skateboarding
was so like just the idea of that being like
a real thing.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, it was like it was pretty controversial at the
time when when I got on Nike. It was like
you got skaters being like super core, like fucked a,
this is our industry, Like we don't want the corporate,
corporate companies coming in, and so like it was like
a little bit of a a little bit of a
risky movie.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, because there's all these like shoe brands that are
just like yeah obviously at these DC or all the
core brands, and so they had this like grip on
the market and then ESB's come in.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
And yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it was just like
a situation and I was like I have to see
what this is about, Like you know what I mean,
Like I grew up in the Michael Jordan era. Of course,
you know, I wanted to be like Mike. We all
wanted his shoes growing up. I just didn't never think
that skateboarding when I started. It's just not something I
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thought I can dream about being one day being a
Nike Ethice and and and when they came knocking on
my door with that type of opportunity, man, I mean
I had to what year is this two thousand and four?
Damn man.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So you're sixteen at.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
The time, nineteen nineteen, okay, So like back then, like
obviously skate magazines are big, and then like there'd be
all these like vhs is that people would buy, and shit,
what was like the thing that kind of got you
on their radar.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
At that time? I was, I was. I was pretty
well established for the like since I was like fifteen
is when I first came on the scene. So like
over that four year period, i'd like, you know, been
pretty active and pretty busy, and I was pretty well
known already in the core kind of skate world. I had,
you know, a sponsorship with S that was the shoe
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company I was with.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah Costin too, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Costin is that his shoe?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Does he own that?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I was? No? No, he was, he owned he I mean
he was he's like the face that he was the
boss of S. Yeah, for sure, but he didn't own it.
But he's Nike now, so for him yeaheah. And I
was with like Girl Skateboards, So I was like with
like the most prominent companies at that time, and they would,
you know, get me ads in the magazines and video
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parts and the biggest videos. So I was I was
getting well known. And so when Nike, you know, was
starting up their skate program. It started a couple of
years before I got on with some more like core
kind of underground more skate skaters. But I guess they
got to a point where they all, right, we need
like our franchise guy to like help kind of really
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break it through. And I was honored when they approached me,
like thinking that maybe I could be that guy for them.
It was like a huge honor.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
You must have like an insane just amount of grails, sbs, and.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
You would think, you would think, but at the time
I didn't care, Like I like, they were just sending
me shoes, dunks, all the grails, and I was just
skating them. I would just wrecking them, ripping them. But
you know, there was a couple like that I got
rid of. You know, a couple of people offer me
some money else Yeah, sure, dude, what but there's a
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few that I've I mean, I've pretty much have had
them all slipped through my fingers at one point. If
I just had the foresight to like stack them up.
I'd probably have like, you know, a couple of million
worth in my collection. It's just a little retirement collection there.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, because there was like this crazy dunk wave of sb's,
like when it was like the Tiffany dunks, and they
all of.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Them, all of them. I had them all almost all
of them. Yes, a couple of them, you know, don't
get me wrong, you know, slaying a couple on the
side here and there, but like not at all what
the prices would have been if I'd have held onto them.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Do you like how hands on is it? Because obviously,
you know, at least when I was a kid, I
used to like sketch sneakers and shit. So when you're
able to design your own shoe, yeah, it's gotta be
fucking cool.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
It was dope and it is dope. But you know, I,
especially early on, I was such like a a skate nerd,
like obsessed with skating, Like I didn't want to be
bothered with anything unless it was like being on my
skateboard skating. So like my first shoe, they team me
up with this guy Michael Hernandez and he's the one
who designed it. But what he would do back then
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is like basically, come up on the computer, make a
few different renderings pictures, drawings of what he's thinking, print
out the papers for me of all different options, and
I'd be like, I like that, I like this one,
but I like the soul on this one, but I
like the design over here. Maybe let's try mashing these together.
And then we made a sample we tried out.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
And then you have to skate in the sample.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Obviously, yep, I'll skate the samples. Tell him like, uh,
you know, I don't like the way this feels too thick,
too thin, whatever, and just like basically a narrowing down process,
which took about a year, a little over year.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, yeah, is there for you man? Because I grew up.
I'm thirty eight. So skate boarding was like pop culture
back then, Like we had Tony Hawk. Obviously, Tony Hawk
did so much for kids to discovery the sport. The
X Games were at all time high back then. You know,
how do you feel like the skateboarding industry is like today?
(06:16):
It feels like it's obvious. I feel like it's kind
of like it's not as as mainstream as mainstream, but
kind of more mainstream at the same time.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I know what you're saying, because, like you.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Like hip hop kids. Back then, like we were very
like fuck skaters, we're hip hop kids. But then like
obviously certain artists kind of merge the worlds and now yeah,
they're one in the same.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, I think, I mean, you just got to give
credit to social media basically, like it's really created. It's
like you see it in every culture. It's like everything's
kind of merged together, like everybody knows a little bit
about a lot of a lot more things than we
used to. Like I used to only be like had
the horse blinders on. All I did was skate watch
skate videos. I didn't care what else was going on
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in the world. But like now it's kind of hard
to avoid. It's just there in your face. So I
see what you're saying. It's like it doesn't necessarily feel
as like concentratedly mainstream, but it's like all over the
culture sprinkled, you know what I mean, which it's.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Like widely accept because I feel like, you know, like
guys like Terry Kennedy and and for well was going
by skateboard pe. Yeah, there was like all the shit
that was happening there kind of just slowly like made it. Oh,
it's okay to be a skater, you know, and then
like Tony Hawk's cracking, and then like even the Tony
Hawk's soundtrack was so fucking crazy, like for it, Yeah,
some of the records that they embedded into your skull. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And I'm just noticing now too that the point I'm
at in my career, I realized, at some point everybody
skated a little bit, right, you know, like when they're
fifteen sixteen, and a lot of times those were like
really special nostalgic moments in their life that they'll always remember.
So like all meet guys who are like well known
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now in a different fields, whether it be music or
acting a comedy who like I'll meet him to be yo,
what up dude? And I'm like what you know? Me?
Like you're you you know what I mean? Like and like, no,
I used to skate, and I just it's so cool
to now have been in it for so long that
at some point, like they just have that nostalgic memory
of my skating at that point in time.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Who's uh, Because there's some really good skaters in hip
hop and I'm sure on you know, the entertainment side,
like hops In is.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Fucking Hopson's probably like the best.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Skate quietly rich the kids pretty good.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
He's pretty he could skate, but Hopy is like really
good Hopson like skater skater. He actually told me we
went to school together, and I didn't realize it at
the time. I guess I was a great ahead of him,
And years later when I met him, he was like, bro,
we used to go to junior high together, Like what
are you seriously Like? Yeah, uh so that was pretty
small world. But you know who else could skate is
(09:04):
yellow Wolf.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yellow is a great skate Yes.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yellow Wolf's good. Um, there's a few. Logic got a
couple moves, does he? Yeah, Logia has a few moves.
I've seen him all the heel flip before.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, anybody ran him, like any comedians or actors or anybody.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, my boy, Renee Vodka.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Hey, shout out to Renee Vodka. I just got really
ship faced with him last week me too, great fucking
guy was at the Burner concert and he was poorn tequila.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah yeah, him and his tequila pineapples. Yeah, I mean
I hang out with Renee. I don't know. He's all
the time. He's the man hilarious. Somebody, don't let him
fool You met that boy? Could He'll flip Yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Shout out to Renee Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Shout Renee Man. One of the best comedians out right. Now.
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to comedians growing up with your dad?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Uh? It was cool, Like, you know, I didn't live
with him growing up, so I live with my mom
and he was always on the road working, So I
would get like, you know, a random weekend here and
there with him, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, I mean that's kind of the life right there
on the road every weekend.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, pretty much binding And if he wasn't doing that,
he was on some movie set or TV set. He
was always busy and working, and uh so I just
got to see a lot of cool experiences. A lot
of times, you know, he would bring me and I'd
I'd be backstage at one of his big shows and
I'd be meeting random cool people and I'd be on
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a set just running around. He'd have somebody like keeping
an eye on me because I was like a little
active kid running around behind stage, like just getting into trouble.
So it was a really good experience. I think the
biggest takeaway I got from it that I didn't realize
i got older, was like it was normal for me
to dream big. It was normal for me to think that,
(12:34):
like you could have a dream and it's gonna happen
because I'm here watching it for him, right. So like
every time I approached a new hobby, I approached it
like this is what I'm going to do with my life.
And luckily with skateboarding, that was the thing that I
stuck with the most, and so I never had that
like kind of mental barrier in my mind of like
I don't know if I could do it. It was just
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like no, if I just work hard enough, I'm going
to do it. And so I think that was a
big like.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeh, help, who is the coolest person backstage you met
at one of your dad shows? Oh?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Man, there's a couple of people like Jimmy Smith was
always super dope, super cool. Me, yeah, super cool actor. Uh,
Carlos Santana was that's pretty great, so cool. So my
dad used to have a talk show called It'll Show
that Paul Rodriguez on was it Univision, Telemundo one of
the other. And I was probably about six, maybe seven,
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and I didn't know who Carlos Santana was at this time.
You know, I'm just roaming the halls backstage, you know,
just doing what I want to do, and this a
green room or dressing room was open, and I just
hear like a guitar and I'm just like, I look you, oh, hey, man,
Like that's a cool guitar. And he was like, oh
yeah you think so I was like yeah, I was like, hey,
(13:49):
can you play the the song from the Pink Panther liken'
didn't and he just did it. He was like, I think, so,
I think I got that one, and he did it,
and I was so mind blow. Was like, oh my god,
you're really good man. And I ran.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Dad, Dad, Dad, the sky.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
You gotta put on my should you the pink panther.
So that was a pretty cool little moment. And then
another time, mister T, oh that's sick. Well, yeah, he
was the man like I seen him at the used
to have the Christmas Day parade every year in Pasadena
and my dad was in the parade. One year, brought
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me and he was like doing an interview and we
were sat at the same table with like mister T
and some other people, and you know, eighteen was out
at this time, and it was just like I was
so hyped that he was there and my dad was
doing an interview and I had to go to the
bathroom real bad. I forget who I told. I was like,
I gotta go pee, and he heard me. He was like,
come on, little man, I got you. He picks me,
(14:49):
He puts me over his shoulders, like, walks me to
the restroom, puts me down. All right, go ahead, are
you been his? Then I go to the bat like,
come out, he's waiting for me. He puts me back on,
then he takes me back to the table and says
me down. So that's another great memory I have.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
So were your parents pretty supportive of like, you chasing
the dream of being a pro skateboarder? Did it is? Yeah,
because I mean I feel like you got to get
dropped off of competitions in a skate park, and yeah,
got a cheap hobby.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
It's cheaper than most. But but when it comes to
that point, yeah, shout out to Uncle Dave. He's the
one who would take me to all the contests. He
would sign me up and drive me, get the hotels,
book them for us. So he was always super supportive
in that. My mom was really supportive in the sense of,
you know, if I wanted to take karate class as
a kid, she would sign me up. If I wanted
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to play a Little league baseball, sign me up like
so when it came to skateboarding, she was all good
with it. There was no really like places to get lessons.
I just wanted to go out in the backyard with
my friends and and skate, So she was like, yeah,
you know, enjoy your your kid explore, you know, be active.
And then my dad it wasn't that he wasn't supportive,
he just didn't get it. He didn't understand it. Like
(15:56):
when I was like telling him like I'm going to
be a pro skater, He's like like, what is that? Like,
have no problem with me skating. You know, you're twelve
thirteen years old. Have fun, you know that's what boys do,
you know. But I was like, I'm going to be
a pro Skater's like, son, like what I was like, Yeah,
I'm going to be a pro skater. He's like, there's
no money in that. I'm like, yeah, there isn't. Eric
Coustin was my example. I was like, no, Eric Couston
(16:19):
He's he makes a lot of money. I had no
idea how much this got he's making or not, but
in my mind he was like a gajillionaire. And he
just was like, son, I think, you know, have fun,
but like you should like think about what you really
want to do with your life that old time.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
You probably heard similar shit from your grandparents about being
a professional.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Literally what I told him, that's literally what that's the
That's the one thing that I told him where he
never like tried to talk me out of it. Ever again.
I was like, Dad, like, you know, Grandma and grandpa,
all you guys immigrated straight from Mexico, grew up in Compton,
poor migrant farm workers, and you told him you're going
(16:57):
to be a comedian and this is the way you're
going to take care of the family. He was like,
I was like yeah, and he was like, okay, you
got me. Like, that's the only time I've ever like,
not had the last words with a comedian.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Is there a trick that you had to perfect over
time that might have taken some years off your life,
or that you've wracked up the most injuries trying to
figure that?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
I guess yeah, it wasn't even one that I was
trying to perfect. It was one that I thought I
had pretty good. But you know, it was just a
freak accident. Back in twenty eighteen, I blew out my
whole right knee, every ligament, everything, the meniscus is aco,
everything was all torn apart. I was skating these stairs.
I did this trick called a half cab flip. I
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just completely missed the pop airballed, it landed crazy wrong,
felt the whole thing pop out of place and go back.
And so that took me out for a good two years.
So I had never been off my board for longer
than maybe a month at that point, from like a
sprained ankle or something. So that took me out a
good two years.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
How many stairs was it?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
It was only nine. It wasn't like a crazy big set.
It was just it's a freak accident. But as far
as a single trick besides like that type of thing. Nah,
it's just an accumulation now, like my knees, my ankles,
I feel it now, I bet yeah. They're talking to
me every morning when I get out of bed. Those
first few steps are like I'm aching.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
When you're like coming up, Like there's like work guys,
street guys, guys who could do both, Like what would
like because I feel like a lot of the more
old school guys were more like halfpipe bruhs. You know
what I'm saying? Like what what?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
What?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I guess like because you would say you're more of
a street skater? Yeah? What uh? Made? Was it just
at a necessity, Like I can learn how to skate
because the streets outside Like no.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
It was kids at school, sorry, my kids texting me.
It was kids at school that I just I would
walk to school in the morning for seven grade, and
every morning they were out there skating in the parking lot.
Every every day after school they were back in the
parkland and I just found myself standing there like at
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a distance and just watching them. I thought it was
the coolest shit I ever seen in my life. Like
they could jump, they could land back on at the board, flips,
they keep going. I was just like just enamored by it,
and I had to know how it was done, Like
like when you see a magician do a magic trick
and oh my god, my kid. Sorry, Uh, Mike, can
(19:30):
you text or ask her what she needs?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Sorry? Thanks, dude?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
O was I? Oh yeah, it was like a magic trick.
I just had to know how it was done. So
finally I just saw one of the kids and asked them, like, hey,
can I try standing on your board?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
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Speaker 1 (21:06):
Sorry, Yeah, yeah, I take care of the kid. So yeah,
I just fell in love with it watching kids at
school skate and one day I finally work up the
courage to ask him if I can try, and I
was hooked.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Oh shit.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
And then that year for Christmas, I just told everybody like,
just I don't know what I want. Just can I
have some money? I just want to get a skateboard.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Do you remember what brand you first bought?
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, it was a Powell Powell Blank Venture trucks, bones,
wheels and just like random bearings. And I think Shorty's
hardware that's crazy. Yeah, is like for you?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I wonder because I feel like you're one of the
guys who has kind of like changed like the trajectory
of what skateboarding can be. And I think Tony Hawk's
one of those guys, even like Rob dear Deck's a
guy like that for sure. Who would you kind of
put up in the like most influential, impactful skaters of
all time, not necessarily the best, but like guys who
(22:07):
are just very, very impactful.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I mean, you named a nice chunk of them. Let's
Chad Muska chat to Chadman, Yeah, Kareem Campbell, Stevie Williams
of course Costin, Yeah, Eric Cousten, Tom Penny, Christian Hassoy
for the generation even you know before Eric's Lance Mount
(22:33):
and Christian Assoy, Steve Caballero. I feel bad because I
know I'm gonna be driving later and be like, shit,
I should know.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I mean, I mean, I think he hit a lot
of the guys.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
That's a good that's a good little bunch of them
right there.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Because Chad has was was super, Chad's Chad super.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I don't know if it was like his his. I
want to say he had some ownership for sure. He
definitely launched it. He was the guy like they used
to launch its thought DC. He's as well, that's fucking crazy, huh.
He's from Eazy Uh. Rob didn't own d C. But
I want to say he had a.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Little piece of sure hope. So after he worked on
that show.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
No, he he's the best businessman that I know, and
he was getting his fair share, his more than fair
share from DC. He had a he had a crazy
hustle with them early on before it was like normal
to uh really have big shoe deals. He already had
it before he was even robing big. Before all that,
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he was already like his business mind was crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, would you say Street League is kind of like
taking the place of Like, I mean, I feel like
X Games is obviously still very big, right it's going
on right now, but yeah, it feels like I'm the
skateboarding front like Street League is kind.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Of right now. Yeah, Street League is the most respected
I guess skate contests going on right now. In my opinion,
there's a new one coming out in a couple of
weeks called the PSL, which is a really good one,
which I think in my opinion it's going to be
like right there on a Street League confessional, Yeah, Professional
(24:13):
Skate League. So I think that one, because it's a
total different format, is going to have a chance to
be like right there on a street lead.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
What's different?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So it's just skating a set of stairs, and so
it's like it's like playing a game of horse. So
like there's three it's teams. First of all, three verse three.
One guy goes does a trick, the next team has
to do that same trick or this team gets their point.
And so it's like baseball in the sense of like
if this team keeps landing tricks to keep going, but
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if they miss up three times and it switches over
and now they get to start over. So it's like
got innings. So you don't have to understand what the
tricks are. You don't have to know regular switch, faky, nalli, whatever.
You just know this guy landed that trick and this
team needs to land that trick. So it's gonna be like.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
A lot of good are there like team names?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah, I got a team. I'm an owner.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Oh okay, so you own a team in the league.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Own a team in the league, Yeah you could.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
There's franchises, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, there's six teams right now. You got Team Sahs,
which is my team.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
What's that mean?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
It's it's my skate crew that I had since two
thousand and one that only four of us know the name.
We never tell nobody anything, but it's like that's our
our team name Sahs. You got Losantos, which is headed
up by Felipe Gustavo you have the Wolverines, which is
headed up by Chris Jocelyn, the SODI of twenty twenty five?
(25:42):
Uh who else?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
You got?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Jamie Foy and a shod split a team, but I
don't remember what their team is called. Another team called Lithium.
Niger has a team. I should know all the team
names off top of my hand, but I can't own. Man,
but it's only we only care about sahs.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Are you gonna skape?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, I'm a skate that's yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
So we got six guys on each team, so you
can have like a bench and starters.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I saw Niger just had a pretty crazy injury.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Man, Yeah that was wild, pretty wild, Like he was
azy when that happened, just.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Like never know, right, Yeah, No, even if you're like
the best in the world, you're still fucking skateboarding doing
crazy shit.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah yeah, I mean, and he does. He pushes himself
like unreal limits. And the crazy part is what he
was trying wasn't even that like I would expect that
that wouldn't have been the craziest thing he's He's done.
He's done some pretty like death defying stuff, but just
freak accidents like when you're skating rails that big, Like
(26:42):
just one little miscalculation and that can happen, you know, So,
like you said, it doesn't matter how how good you are,
a freak accident.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I remember seeing him and he was like a little
kid skating.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Dreads long ass. Yeah, yeah he was. He's been on
the scenes. He's like nine ten years old, crazy, like
a little child prodigy.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
When is it so the PSLs in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, So the first PSL is now going to be
on February seventh, I believe so. Yeah, Team Sahs versus
Los Santos, that's our first team that we battle, and
I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Do you uh you make it into one of the
later Tony Hawk games. I think it was the Which one?
Was it? The Doug one?
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I was in Underground? I was in one more thing
I can't project eight.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah. By the way, I played neither but one through four.
I was fucking fucking shit up on.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Are you do you feel like because I know certain
people think that skate is the better skate franchise, I'm
a Tony Hawkeye. What do you think is the best
skateboarding game of all time?
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Oh? You're putting me in a tight spot here. I
love Tony to death. He's the man. But I will
have to say, when skate first came out, I'm just
talking in that era, it was more realistic, the moves,
the way they they had, Like the tricks, look the
way you even on the controllers, you did them kind
(28:07):
of similar to how your feet would move. So as
an actual skater, I was like, this is actually more
realistic to the tricks that are going down.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
That makes sense. Yeah, it was definitely. That's why I
think that's why I did like it as much. I
was like, man, I'm trying to fucking yeah, that's Tony Hawk.
Tony Hawk. Man.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
That's what was so smart though, Like Tony Hawk and
those guys, like they knew that they were trying to
reach the masses. Yes, and you know, so business wise,
that's much smarter.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
What do you think is the greatest skate trick ever landed?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
It's hard to say, man, there's really no true answer,
but I'm gonna say just because off the top of
my head right now, Chris Johnson just did a three
sixty flip down El Toro, which is twenty stairs qumungous
and it's like, that's the reason why he won Skater
of the Year this year, among you know, his other
amazing skating, but that was the one that really sealed
the deal for him. So I'm just saying, because that's
(29:02):
on the top of my head right now, that I'm
going to go with that.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
That's tight. Yeah, have you been because we talked a
little bit obviously shot to Deshaun, who's also a Nike skater.
He's from my hometown. Have you, like, have you kind
of helped mentor him at all because he's obviously on
the younger side.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, we're pretty close. We're pretty close. Actually, when we
did the first PSL like sample game, he was my teammate.
It was me and him. Oh, and he's he's going
to be in the PSL as well. But I hang
out with him often, and you know, I'm always there
to offer advice anytime he has any questions or you know,
(29:39):
anything career wise or business wise that he's that he's
you know, I don't want to say struggling with but
just debating on I guess you know, he comes to me.
But I never, like, you know, try to be forceful
by anything because I've made millions of mistakes, so sometimes
my advice could be wrong, So but I'm always there.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
From in twenty twenty six, I'm sure it's changed, Like
how you get on the radar to get sponsors and
become a quote unquote professional skater because we have social
media and all this stuff. What would you say is like,
if someone is in their hometown and they're skating every
day and they feel like they're really dope, Like, what
do you think is like the best advice for somebody
to try to kind of just get on the radar
to try to get some sort of financing from one
(30:25):
of these companies.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, I mean obviously, you know you would think it's
like about high level skating, which that is a factor,
But I would say I would argue that skating is
more comparable to like music than any other sport, right,
Like you got guys who can wrap their asses off,
but can't sell a record to save their life. Same
thing as skateboarding. Like you got guys who can do
(30:47):
the hardest tricks in the world no one's ever done.
But if you're not appealing to that audience, if you're
not making the kids out there watch it want to
be like you, if you're not inspiring nobody, then it's
going to be hard for you to get a career going.
So I would suggest to everybody, like, yes, perfect your craft,
but it's not just in doing the hard tricks. You
(31:08):
got to be mindful of, like how you make the
tricks look, how graceful you are with your your style,
not just your clothing style, but like the way you
look when you actually are doing the tricks. How you
dress also will help. You. Know, it doesn't have to
be a specific way of dressing, but like if you're
if you're good on knowing who you are and your
personal style and you put yourself together, well that will help.
(31:28):
Like you have to think about making yourself marketable.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
You kind of want to make yourself a brand. Like
that's the whole thing, right exactly, you got it, Like
you gotta have eyes on you so people could be like, yeah,
I want you to wear a shit.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah exactly. So like I'll see footage from kids, like
they'll DM me footage or whatnot, and like basically every
kid's good these days. If they're they're getting to the
level of trying to submit a sponsor me tape, you
just look for those other factors, Okay, like, Okay, he's
got a cool style to him. He's got a whole
vibe to him. I like his tricks, choices of t ricks, obstacles,
(32:01):
he skates. And then you got to meet them in personally.
How does he vibe with the rest of the guys.
They got a good attitude and all those type of things.
You got to think about it. If you want to
be a pro skater, you got to remember, like that's
gonna be your job and your career. So there's other
things that come along with it. Signings, demos, tours, you know,
some pressure to filming deadlines. You know, it's not just
(32:23):
like when you're when you're younger and you're just with
your friends and it's on your own time, right, Like
you have to like.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, it's like you're like professional is the keyword, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
So there's a lot of kids I've seen come in
not be able to like adjust to that and like
disappear and just not talk to.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Me about primitive and like because that's turned into like,
I mean, you guys have been on a crazy run.
You go to Zoomies. It's in there, Like what was
the was there was there anything about starting your own brand,
like that that you know was a little more difficult
than you thought, and just talk about the brand in general.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
The whole time has been difficult. It's been it's been
a really hard, hard journey because skateboarding is such a
critical culture, right, Like you go a little too big,
you sold out. You make a business decision, but it
might not align with a cultural decision, you know what
(33:18):
I mean. So, like it's really hard to put those
two worlds together. It's almost like oil and vinegar. It's
really hard to get those two worlds to blend. So
you get a lot of shit sometimes, but sometimes you
got to make decisions for the business. Sometimes you got
to make decisions for the culture.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
You guys have some pretty crazy collapse too. Yeah, I
feel like I bought my kid like some sort of
was it Dragonball y'all?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah, we had dragon ball Z, no Ruto Sublime, I
just a sublime. Yeah, we're about to launch our next one.
We had Outcast, Tupac Biggie.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Do you curate a lot of that stuff?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Not me personally, my partner, Jubil, He's like he's our
design like brand kind of guy. I'm still kind of
more just I just love the skating part. I'm the
I'm the face. I'm shaking hands, kissing babies and out
here skating.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
It feels like we're living in like some historical times,
especially with what's been going on with this ice shit
in Minnesota and everywhere. I mean, that's staring content today. Horrible.
I just saw pictures of live in content today.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Really.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yeah, yes, sir, obviously, you know, being uh of Hispanic descent,
You're you're like you said, your dad grew up here.
His parents, you say, came from.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
From Mexico, Mexico.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, from Mexico, work in the farms. What are your
thoughts on just the temperature of what's going on right now?
And just like this, the whole ice sh it is.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Kind of well, I'm quite frankly, I'm fucking scared, like,
not not even necessarily, just for like myself or whatever.
I mean, like just in general, Like I'm scared for
for my people, you know, I'm scared for like friends
and my friend's families. I'm scared for for people. I
just I don't know, man, Like it's just I don't
(35:05):
even know how to put it into words, Like I
haven't really posted on it. I really haven't say anything
about it because like I don't even know how to
articulate how I feel. It's just it's scary, it's fucking sad, disgusting.
I don't know, man, it just it like literally gives me,
like just make me sick to my stomach. What's happening
(35:28):
to people? Because it's just it just feels like something
bigger is going on.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
For sure. It feels like we don't have all the information. Yeah,
like they've just kind of taken like four or five
of the constitutional amendments and just flesh.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah, it's like little by little, these things are kind
of like, oh, we'll take this away, we'll take that away,
and like how far before we all don't realize that
we're like fully like yeah, States, yeah exactly. So like
on a bigger note, that's that scares me as well.
I'm just scared of this.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Like I saw a video today of like a five
year old kid having to defend himself in court. What. Yeah,
it was fucking crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I saw the other day that they like took a
kid and used them as base, yes, And that shit
had me crying, bro, I had me tearing up.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
That's like there's like a footage yesterday that came out
there's a detention center in Texas somewhere. They flew a
drone over it. But like the lawyer was like trying
to get in to talk to somebody who was represented.
The wouldn't let him in, but you could hear everyone's
screaming on the inside, like kids screaming, brought so fucked.
That's like what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah? Like I don't understand like how humans can we
can be so like non compassionate for each other.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
You know, yeah. I just like even on the you know,
the the dude who just died, you know, it was
like it's just funny to watch like people who are
like hardcore Second Amendment like advocates like do you know
gymnastics to try to make it make sense why that
dude deserve to get shot. I'm like, what do we
is this America or not? What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
And we're becoming desensitized, I mean because we see this shit.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Every day, Like there's thirteen things a day that pops
up where you're like, wait, yes, is this the new normal?
I felt the same thing was happening with gods Wher.
It was like is this just like what's going on?
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Like yeah, it's like I don't even know, Like it's
so much going on in the world, so much like
pain that like I don't even know what to feel anymore,
Like it's like too much to take on. Like how
do you even.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Feels like you're helpless? Man?
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah, so I don't know if it's the right thing
or not, but like I kind of try to like
not hear about as much as like.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
If you if I dude, the Twitter doom scroll is
it'll put you in a fuck. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, I really try to be a little bit like ignorant,
Like ignorance is bliss. I know that's probably not necessarily good,
but at this point, like I don't even know what
to do, Like we can post about it, like does
that do anything? I don't know. Right, it just fucking sucks,
and I'm just praying for everybody.
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Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, you might fud show you my sneaker. Yeah please,
Nike ESB Padriguez one sneaker coming out. Okay, I got you,
I got you. So this this is my first shoe.
So last year we did a twenty year anniversary. It
came out in two thousand and five.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Is it the one of the elephant print?
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah we did that one that was the
j rod. Yeah, so I'll just leave.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
It sen Yeah put that up there.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Those are clean, thank you, brother. So last year we
came out for the twenty year anniversary was the first
ever retro shoe that Nike SB ever did. And this
year we're keeping them out, but doing new colorways that
we've never done before. And this one is kind of like,
you know, a homage to Kobe because he was a
(40:37):
big inspiration to me growing up.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Yesterday was it was.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
His anniversary of his passing, and so I didn't want
to do the standard like you know, Laker color obvious.
So we thought about it and we went back to
the twenty ten All Star jerseys of the West. Yeah,
and kind of did this shoe that colorway, kind of
like just just put a little little homide, you know.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
To like Mama, like the kind of the the stitch.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Pattern, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
No, those are clean. So when do those come out?
Speaker 1 (41:07):
So this will be out February ninth, Right, February ninth,
it drops, So good luck, thank you, brother, I.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Appreciate what I'm saying, Like, good luck getting your hands
on them. Oh you should have sell out immediately.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Noah, No, well we got you. You'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
The sb's man.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Yeah, I'm super super grateful. I can't believe, you know,
as a skateboarder twenty years later, still have my name
like my shoe, my name on a shoe with Nike, like.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Outside of your own shoes what's your favorite SB ever,
because there's been some. I mean, fuck, man, you could
go down a rabbit hole with that, like.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Man, I mean it would definitely be a dunk. Which
one man? Oh, Actually, my favorite dunk I have an
answer to that is the the Sea Crystals. The Sea
Crystal dunks, like when they were like when I first
got on Nike, they were they were out and I
just remember loving the way they skated. The swede on them.
(42:06):
It was just and I love the way they looked.
So I skated the shit out of though I just
kept I don't know, I probably must have skated ten
to fifteen pairs. I wish I'd have kept them all,
but hindsight's twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
I'm looking at them right now here.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
I remember these, yeah, yeah, yeah, I used to love.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Those kind of like got the you know, like a
little Tiffany Tiffany. Yeah, those Tiffany's. Man. I got banned
off eBay selling fake ones. Really, I was.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Like seventeen, Hey man, you got a hustle. Got a hustle.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
That's how I got my name back in the day.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Not that it makes sense makes sense.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Not anymore obviously. So February ninth, shoes are coming out.
That's around the time that the.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
All Star I think All Stars that weekend.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yeah, that is that weekend Star game.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
I think they have me going out to do something
over there. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
And then when is the PSL kicking off?
Speaker 1 (42:50):
The PSL will be February seventh.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
Oh, so it's like the same week. You got a
big week.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah, I got a big next couple of weeks coming up,
so wish me luck y'all.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Did you guys already you already have like set plan
for the PSL shit, Like, do you guys kind of know, like, hey,
everybody can nail this, it might be a little tough
for them to nail it.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Yes, and no, we have a certain idea. I wouldn't
call it set because you got to be pretty flexible
and fluid. But after the first week I'll probably understand
better how to strategize because it's an all new format,
so we're all learning as we go. So I think
I got my starter my starter's set, and uh, I
(43:30):
strategically chose everybody on my team who skates differently. I
didn't want everybody to have all Yeah, if this team
hits us with a certain trick, hopefully we got a
guy that has that trick as well to defend it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
I always wondered, could you define what a poser is
from a skater perspective?
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, I mean, I guess what some might call, I
guess a culture vulture.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Uh, just you know, but but the skate version.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah, exactly, just you dress like a skater. You I
don't know, like might even say that you used to
skate and you used to be able to do this,
and you can't do anything. Yeah, just when you just
unnecessarily overly talk yourself up about it when you just
(44:15):
don't need to. It's like, it's not that serious, No
one's judging you that hard.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
Would you say that, Like, if anybody were to say
they're a skater that the bare minim they should be
able to land as a kickflip.
Speaker 1 (44:26):
No, I think I think that to be to constitute
yourself with skaters, just to have a passion for doing
it and actually just attempt to do it on a
regular basis.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
It's also a means a transportation.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
It is a means a transportation, But that don't make
you skate. That just means you, you know, you use
your border to get around.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Because They're like, they're the long border chicks, you know
what I mean with the dreads and the furry armpits.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
I wasn't thinking of those ones, but.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
You see these chicks on Vetta's Beach with longboards and
you're like.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
It's crazy. When I was coming up like skaters, like
thinking about like girl skaters are like, it never seemed appealing,
but then at some point it started getting pretty right. Yeah,
so it's all good.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah, the same thing with it. I feel like that
we went through the same thing with the w NBA.
We grew up and I was like, man, let mean
and then w NBA chick should start getting hotter and
hotter and you're like.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Damn yeah, which I'm not.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I'm not upsetting anyway. Man, appreciate you pulling up February nine.
She was coming out the seventh. You guys are competing.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Is that gonna be on TV or YouTube or I'll
be live stream YouTube there it is, Man, p Rod,
Thank you, brother, thank you.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
I appreciate it.
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