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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M just getting man the Blue Black Cap Podcast. We
got a special guest in here, Haiti Baby was hand
hand was handing this chain you got on. It's very impressive,
rag Baby. That ship is a lot. Yeah. What's up man?
How you been I've been cool? How you been been solid? Brother?
How was this tour you had with Blue Face? What
(00:21):
was this experience like cause he's streaming his baby mama
drama happening? Yeah, all that. It was fun though.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It was fun though, like me one take e l
Flame jat five content av.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
There was a lot of people on that tour. Yeah,
was Ot on it? Ot?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, Ot Genesis, Yeah, his baby Mama. Both of them
performed too, some some dates.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Both of OT's baby Mama, her Blue Faces. So it
was just it was just like we was just having fun.
Everybody was doing everything that sounded like a lot. Yeah, yeah,
yeah for sure. Was that was that your most like
fun touring experience being on the road with all that craziness.
Huh yeah, we're like the I'm indifferent on a tour
like that because Blueface brings out the hose. He bring
(01:04):
out the hose, But like I was isolated, you're isolated. Yeah,
And then well you're in a relationship. Yeah, so are
you paranoid because you're live on the internet sometimes? No.
I think I've always liked that though, because like that
he's streaming the whole time. Yeah, so you know I
wouldn't do it anyway, Yeah, I would have. I just
(01:25):
I get super uncomfortable being live on the internet if
I don't know what the fuck's going on, you know. Yeah,
so that was like kind of a traveling reality show.
Love it hip hop? Yeah for sure? For sure? Man?
So what else been going on? Man? I just dropped
the album New three Independent? So so when you say because,
I feel like you've always been kind of independent. So
when you say independent, now, what does that mean to you?
(01:49):
Mend percent in control? So you like doing the distro
kid thing or you're doing like, how are you doing
the distribution sarta? Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Oh yeah yeah they're like three hundreds wing Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah. You know the new manager to pk oh PK
Yeah yeah from the bay. Yeah. Does that mean you
also know John Costinn? Yeah? John, the oldest, youngest bro
with the craziest hairline you've ever seen. Yeah, to be
best friend. He's literal right, He's the one who had
to teach me how to move around in the bay
with like the rental car windows and ship. Oh you
(02:20):
gotta leave that ship down, leave it down. Pop the trunk.
Yeah they're running there. Did the bipping thing ever make
it to Stockton? Not really, but we knew about it,
but yeah, it's the thing. And well, I think I
heard it's calmed down a little bit because I heard
they put cameras everywhere and I'm sitting money like that,
So you going to someone car and really find it something.
(02:42):
It's like what we was doing.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
We was still in cards and then doing donuts in
him and then dropping them off.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Dropping them off somewhere. Yeah, what is it about Stockton?
You think that like makes it such a violent place
because in hip hop we just think of it as
like the op killing capital of like rap music and point.
It's kind of it's got, but I feel like you
came in the game with like your own energy early on.
But now it's like the whole entire like negative side
of stock and I feel like it's kind of taken
(03:09):
over the the national perception of the city.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It was, it's rough, it was rough growing up like
every other hood though, right, I think y'all just got
to see our trauma like displayed because it's new. Stockton
was cool to live in for a while, and then
my generation fucked it.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Up, right, you know because a lot of people were
having to like move there from the Bay because the
baby was getting too expensive.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, in La so like people from Los angelesten to
people from migrated because I was born in the town, right,
so my mama moved me out there to stock this Like.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
You think the younger generation fucked everything up?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, we just yeah, it was, but we had more
access to guns and stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Why do you think why do you think you have
more access to guns than Stockton? Well, I feel like
different guns right from your first having them real joints. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
When I was when I was like thirteen, I had
an ARP.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
That's crazy. How do you get an ARP if thirteen?
That's what I'm saying is geration? Would you get it?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
It's stole it from who I got a gun and
I'll say, let me hold it and I just take
it from me.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
That's crazy. I mean, but do you feel like a
lot of the YouTube documentaries kind of like added to
because I feel like there was like this whole sub
genre of like stocked in YouTube.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Like swamp Stories and all them. Yeah, like it's fifty
to fifty fifty fifty.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Because I'm sure it helped with a lot of people's Lord,
That's why I said, because he made he can make
you against it.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
He can make people really believe like this is in
your musical sales, so he can help you.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah. Do you think swamp story I got like swamp
stories helped some people, helped some people. Yeah, he knows it.
Have you seen uh that now he's like showing his face.
He's like a normal white dude. I assume. I remember
he used to talk crazy. Yeah, and I was assuming
this dude was like you know, like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I mean the eyes of somebody seeing him was just
killing him for that is crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Well, I was gonna say, like, if you're him, I
wonder if you're like worried about because you've ignited a
lot of beef and it. He's definitely had a lot
of beef with people on social media. So now he's
like exposed.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
But he hasn't killed nobody, like, so I feel like
he's doing his same. He's just talking.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, I mean he had some really good I mean
I was. I thought he did a good job with
the putting those videos out, like they were entertaining, if
that's what you're into. But I feel like he started
a lot of shit in Northern California for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So I think it was already started and he just
like money off the light on it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, it's like, all right, well, nobody else is talking
about that type shit he turned up. I mean, and
and it did help with turning up DC baby Draco
Julik he was doing it too. Yeah, for sure, I
think I had the DC baby Draco dude was here
with the what's that what's her name? Jalise Jalise yeaheah.
They did a uh they did a podcast with whack Hair.
(06:06):
Was liked WF but for real, it was interesting. I
don't know, So talk to me, man, what ended up
happening you For a while there were banging g Zy ship,
the CTE ship, and you were like kind of the
second big artist from the I mean two eleven was
over there back in the day. Yeah, what ended up
(06:26):
happening with you and CTE?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
It wasn't really c it was dev Jam Okay, he
had like a partnership with dev Jam right, So he
was like executive being for the project of me. But
then he like he I felt like he wasn't super
hands on being executive with me, and so they were
stepping up and I didn't like that.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I would saying, Jesus, I'm like, like I need you.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
But they over here trying to change my image, telling
me to cut my hair, just stuff that I was like,
that ain't really me.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, but you were like a good looking, like swow
ass motherfucker, Like why would want you to switch up
your they wanted to me. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Well, I don't really think GZ knew who he signed.
You know, we did an interview at the BT thing
when I first got with with you.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, it was like do you know who you got?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Like, because when he found me through Trey, which is
the n R the songs, he I said.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
What the songs you know about me?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I just asked him, And there was certain records, like
you know, he knew against the tracks like never seen
party rocking that shit. I did a harminator he didn't know,
like Blue Dragon, like.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Boo, blue Dragon, is that the gold one? Is that
the one? Blue Dragon? No, that's not gold.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Change of Life is platinum, and then Distractions is going gold.
Those are what I did with YP and Stock then
so those are going blue.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Dragon came out around the time that that was right
after our freestyle. Yeah, I already had that song done.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Then I did the freestyle purposely like, yeah, I'm finna
market this.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Did you outside of I mean, that was the most
viral shit ever. That ship was crazy. I gotta try
to crank it back up. But now it's kind of
like every every couple of weeks, somebody some little tag
like the worst freestyles of all time, and it'll be
like ten of them and they'll be me riff raff. Yeah,
but riff raff rap though riff raff. It's always off
the top of his head. I needed him that. Do
(08:13):
you you look back at that freestyle and and I
guess to me, ask you, what was the biggest curse
of that freestyle? Was it? Or was there a curse
to it that he can't wrap that? People will be like, yes,
it's the worst, and then when you go listen to
the music, it's like, oh, this motherfucking rap. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
So now it's like if I want to revamp it,
I don't want to do it again. I think just
try to make I should just post it again.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I just didn't know. I remember because Jiggy brought you
up to the station and I was like, did you
know he was gonna do that? No, none of them did,
none of He's like, no idea, dude. But it was
like the most I didn't think I was gonna post it,
but I really wanted to go to post it. Well.
I remember like when we when we when we played it,
because we played it for the mixers, We're like, you
(08:59):
guys got to understand how crazy this freestyle is. And
everybody was like split. Some people were like, yo, this
is gonna go viral, and everybody else was like this
ship is horrible. But I was like, yo, there's something
about this freestyle. Yeah, it's like you fucking caught the
Holy Ghost in the middle of it. I was just saying, like,
you were fucking possessed random ship. Hi, Hi Hi. And
(09:21):
then I end up putting it in my music. Yeah. Crazy,
And then obviously you have like Rihanna reposted yeah, uh,
Chrissy Tigan, Chrissy, Meek mil too, Meek Mill. He tried
to sign me Meek tried to sign it to Dream Chasers.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, he talked to Ghazi and I was and then
guy he talked to me. I was like, nah with
you GUYSI yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
It wasn't like do you regret not giving it a look? No,
I don't get it. Yeah. I don't think that there
was another artist on Dream Chasers that ever on his label.
I don't think. So maybe maybe I'm tripping. Maybe I
just feel like I was cool with Gassy. I'm like
the singer chick. I don't remember her name, but yeah,
but you got rocking with Oh yeah, I was just
rocking with guys.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
So I'm like, I didn't take no deal, Like hell,
it offers on the table run a time.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I stuck. Well, you definitely uh have placked a lot
with Empire. H. So it's like, well, if I'm already
getting this money independently. Yeah, So you got a lot
of people reach out after that freestyle. Every label, everyone
tried to sign it. Everyone. What was the hardest one
to say no to?
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Speaker 2 (11:51):
I was it was hard to say no because I
was supposed to sign the same day, same day Little
TJ and Polo G sign.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Oh yeah, but all that time.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
But my history with Empire was already deep, Like I
signed the same day XX tenC on sign.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
So I was just feeling like, I'm like, we family,
and I'm sure Gods really I mean you, I mean
the way Empires are pretty flexible, bout letting people move around.
Guys was keeping the real guys.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Was like, I feel like, if you do want to sign,
get a couple more records on your belt, then go.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
And I was like, nah, I'm gonna just just rock. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
They was off of millions. I was like, nah, I
feel like I'm gonna get screwed.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Do you feel like you are kind of the og
of Stockton at this point? Yeah, I'm old. Now. I
feel like it's like you and now are like very
like just the old old rapper dudes. Now, yeah you.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
All right?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You guys away? Yeah, you know in a way. Yeah,
you're right, you're right. Who would you put on the
Mount Rushmore of Stockton? Hip hop? Me?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Okay, me, Jbo, Neil Rariri and j Black Okay? You
know who knows other not the last two? Oh is
Jo's dad?
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Oh ship? Yeah? He Pass's dad was a rapper. Yeah,
he passed away. When I was young, I was supposed
to do an interview with Jabo at some ranch and
I don't know, like a week later he they canceled
it and then he ended up going to jail. Yeah.
I was like, wait a minute, he was just up
north and now he's in Arkansas. What the fuck is
going on?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
We had we had rappers back then, like like t Tall,
Like we have a battle rap scene in Stockton too.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Oh be Causida used to pull up there. Oh that's dope. Yeah,
we had a batter rap scene out there. Did you
ever do any battle rapping?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I tried, and then I just kept it and I
was just I'm gonna just do it. In high school,
I'm gonna just wrap because my friends. Yeah, it wasn't
really fol me.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Do you feel like because it felt like for a
while there, Stockton was getting a lot of love from
like academics, like I guess a lot of people who
couldn't break out of the West Coast. Stockton wasn't having
that problem when it came to getting some attention from
like some of the other facemakers nationwide.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Cauld we we I feel like we we bo. We're
gonna say something that people be like, whoa, what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah for sure, yeah, for sure. But then it's like
the other side of it is like then there's like
these crazy, like tragic shootings. Well it's real.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
That's the only difference between a lot of other cities.
It's actually real. So like if you go there, the chances.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
And it's a small place. Yeah, Like I went there
once with Brian Samson. Do you know Brian Sampson is
Brian Yeah, that fat fuck. He hated the freestyle. Oh
he hated it so much. He was like this is embarrassing.
But he was a team Neil. He was seeing b
nail and then when he met me, he was like, oh,
this guy's cool. No, no, actually it's funny because me and
me and Samson are I talked about him, I think
before you freestyle. Yeah, in the beginning of our of
(14:41):
your freestyle on the show, I was like, do you
know Brian Samson? That fat fuck? So he hated the freestyle,
but he took me to Stockton one day. I was
in I was in the Bay when I was working
at the Empire, and I was gonna fly back home
to LA in the morning. But Samson was like, Yo,
I'm driving back, just ride with me, mm hmm. And
I was like, I fuck it. You know, so little
(15:02):
did he know like that, He didn't fucking tell me
that he was taking a long way so we could
stop and stocking and see his fucking family. I wake
up and he's like, yo, can't wake up. I'm in
front of some fucking park. He's riding me around the
fucking hood and I'm like, bro, why am I in
Stockton right now? Yeah? What the fuck? You know? He
showed me, you know, he showed me the the You know,
(15:23):
it's a small place, but it's very you know what
park I'm talking about. We got most of the parks. Yeah,
I'm sure there's more than one park. He was like, yeah,
you know this this I think it was around where
Neil's from, but it was definitely South I think, so. Yeah,
he was tripping. He bro, It's like fucking midnight and
we're driving Around'm like, bro, why do you have me
(15:44):
in the fucking trenches of stock I gotta show you, gav.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, that's my only time I wouldn't do that. Thank
you right around Stocking, like that'll bring you somewhere.
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the podcast. Does the Sack shit and the stock and
shit because you got are so close to each other?
Does that like be like cities? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, the politic wise is not supposed to though, Like Sack.
People be looking at that like it's corny, Like why
y'all in our politics? But everybody not in it?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Right right?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Right? A few? What about this the Bay shit bleed
over at all to Stock No, no separate bang. But
I see they trying to do the rap beef and
do it.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
But it's just it's not it's not it's not the same. No,
it's too many people in the Bay that's like we
players wed.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah. I feel like the Bay area has got that
flavor where it's like just fly ship like Larry June
or some ship you know, or even like a guy
like Pelow Like I feel like I don't think no, I
don't think you should. I don't think no.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
City and Cali should pick up stocked in his sex culture.
Let us do our thing. But I don't think you
should pick it out. I think because it's it's it's
the devil. It's getting close to the devil as you
possibly can do.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
You feel like any responsibility for kind of being the
big homie out of Stockton now and like kind of
making sure that you know, you set an example. Yeah,
I still do set examples.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, so they talk to the youth, my homies and
ship keep their hair right, doing songs with them, keeping
them motivated.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Because anybody who's dope, who's going to come up out there?
Baby quack baby, he going crazy. It's agreed. He finna
blow up. Yeah, baby quack pop dough. Yeah yeah, I
like the baby quack name. Yeah, they go crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And my brother me me look yah yay, Yeah, they
all going crazy right now. It took a while for
us to really you know, when I look at him
now and I listened to him, I'm like, oh, yeah,
y'all got it.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Tell me about the new album. Who's on the new album?
Trap ar three? Yeah? She is mostly just me, no
features like I do. But let me see. I like
how he doesn't know who's on his album, like the
samples type Ship but basically features let me see we
(18:38):
can look at it together. Trap ar three, you got uh?
I got Mark Nasty? Who's Mark Nasty? R J? Savvy? Third,
Wally Descend That wasn't even my song, though, well, what's
on your fucking album? I know whose song was it?
It was supposed to be Sabby's. He's locked up though,
(18:58):
great guy, Yeah, that's my dog. I dropped it. I'm like,
let me put this on the album. It was going
while he's on there too. Yes, we got Wally RJ.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
My favorite song with Tusqito and Mark Little Duty. Oh
Little Duty, that's my cousin. Yeah, that's a great name too. Yeah,
he going crazy too. You gotta check him out. He's
from Stockton. No, he from the Bay.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
You were born and you say you're born in Oakland?
I was born in Oakland. I moved when I was
like two. So your family's Bay area.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, So, like my mom was in foster care, so
she got a lot of family.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
In the Bay.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
So, okay, got Ship. But all our family on my
mom's side are our family from Guyana.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Oh Ship.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, my mom like first first generation in this country. Wow,
So yeah, have you been? No, I haven't been in Guhana.
I missed our little family get together. It was in
San Diego. They all came, but I'm missing ur.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
It't beautiful out there. Yeah, you gotta go, man, you're
a successful guy. You got a giant dragon chain. You
fucking go to Guyana.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I'm back working though. That's why I don't even remember
who was on my album. I'm working on trap Our five,
trap Our four done?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
You already got four and then five. It's what you're
working on. Is there something that's that you like about
the ind of like being fully independent? That's like a
little different than when you know you would have to
submit stuff to the project manager over the Empire and
get stuff cleared and all that good ship, Like are
you I hated that? Oh, I've been there. Who's your
PM at Empire Project?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
We tried Gentry and me and Gentry to see how
he cool now though, and we got to it's.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Like a little Leprechaan with chrome hearts on. Yeah. I
love Gentry.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I forgot the girl's name though, No, I forgot her name.
Who's my product manage?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Not Chelsea? Though she had all the Detroit. Bruh oh yeah,
they used to be an Empire Studio. Yo. The Empire
Studios is nice. It's gotten a lot nicer too. When
it first got built, me too. And they had that
fucking invisible podcast studio that had been worked on for
like three years and it never came, And now it's
finally there.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I lived my mic there. I never want to go
get it back.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Fuck. It also kind of like an active spot, like
there's a lot of there could be a lot of
people there at the same time as all ago. Yeah,
the Empire Studios could go walking goddamns like Twolve fucking
sessions going on.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, and then like I'm in so many politics I
don't want to walk in and somebody feel a certain
way like yoga hated here over here, and it's like
you might, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Well you're not. Are you in a lot of politics
outside of Stockton? Is just in stock like Stockton issues
or did you have issues with anybody outside.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Of I'm in c So that's a Northern crypt. I
got the biggest card. So like I feel like I'm new,
I feel like I'm cool, like people see me. I
feel like it's cool, but I never know what you own.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
So Northern Crip would be the biggest Northern California cryp
card is it? It is just Northern Crip yep. And
then there's a bunch of different blood off shoots out there,
off shoots I don't know, like different is there is
there one.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Blood spending time with County shit. They either be like
the Stars or u Zilla like.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So they have two things Exaid far as Sack. But
I don't really know about the Bay. The Bay got
their own car. I know the Mexicans up there are red.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Northals, yes, yeah, but they stay and they do it
to themselves.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, I don't know all. I didn't even know before
I moved to La. Like even the Asians up top
is Northern Crips? Well is it not? I mean Mbnail's
he's a Northern Crip right yeah right, but he got
a whole hood out in Long Beach. Oh yeah, the
oh stupid young bro I was in. Uh. I went
to Thailand for fucking uh Rolling Loud two years ago
(22:37):
and one of their big homies is like the man
in Thailand. So he's from Long Beach and uh they yeah,
I think I've seen it before. Yeah, so we're I'm
in fucking Thailand for like twelve days, dude fucking partying
with stupid young and all his homies and ship. And
then his boy runs like a dispensary out there called
California's Finest. Yeah, and uh hidden, I know, he get
(23:01):
chilling out and they got great weed out there, real
brou I was tripping. I thought for sure it was
gonna be some bullshit. The weed in Thailand fucks. That
ship is fire. Damn. I don't smoke. You don't do
anything right. You don't drink or anything right. I drink
here and there. Yeah, I don't really. Yeah, I remember
that you were pretty sober? Yeah, was there a reason
(23:22):
why you decided not to? I started doing drugs hell early,
so that's why what kind of drugs were doing everything?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Like after I graduated high school, I started doing coke,
I started smoking, I started popping perks, sipping lean.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
You were doing all the ship, the whole rapper fucking handbook. Yeah,
but I was. I was in a dark place though.
Which drug did you like the most?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Mmm?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Syrup? I was? I like that? But I was spending
all my money on that ship. That shit is expensive
and that should have you drinking helisoda. Yeah. The motherfuckers
be drinking lean man, they drink so much sugar. Yeah,
I've been. I'm like everybody looked like Adrian Browner. Yeah
with that belly, the lean gut, can't do it.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I'm going on like what seven to eight years or
seven years when I'm doing nothing.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
That's dope. Yeah, that's why I got my muscle on,
like I can work out. Be cool, bro, I've only
done weed and shrooms is cool.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I'm pro marijuana, Like, I just don't smoke right right,
It's just not for you. It's not for me, but
you can smoke around me. Shooms is actually.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Are great. I've never done. Whoever wrote the Bible had
to be on shows for sure. Somebody was tripping, Like
there's some trippy ship in the Bible. Somebody should really
recreate them, Like I could do a TV show where
it's like super descriptive and tripped out versions of like
Bible stories, like somebody like Tim Burton or somebody you
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Let's get back to the podcast. Some trippy ass shit,
all right. So your new album is out now, you
got a part four already finished, Part five you're working on,
(26:39):
so you already have an idea when we're gonna release
a part four.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Nah, I ain't got no idea. I just just keep
working right now. I'm just focused on pushing Trap par three.
I love all my records, all my records on Trap
AR three banging. So I'm just like having fun just
going around promoting this shit.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Are you doing any other shows? I know you just
got off tour. Is there any other live stuff happening?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
A bunch of people calling me trying to give me
to do collab tours with them. But right now I'm
just still doing hosts and shows promoting my my stard.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Will you still do shows in Stockton? I will? But
you know they be driving. Does the cops and all
that they be on your head? It be everybody, not
just the police, Like if you have a show and
might get shot up. Uh yeah yeah. Listen, man, I
think that fucking kids birthday party that got shut up.
(27:26):
That was the most tragic shit ever. People scared and
that event happening. God rest, everyone's soul lost their life,
probably fucked up a lot of.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Well it was the first time y'all seen it. It's
been happening. So what's going on in Stockton? It ain't
even game banging. It's just hurt people, hurt people. You know,
somebody kill your daughter, you go kill their son, and
then it's just just a cycle of.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Get back and it is. That's what's going on. This
has been going on. It's like somebody's got to stop it.
I mean, the only way to stop it is if
we die.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I died, Jabo died, and they'll die in our top
head is from Marho has died, then it's done.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
If that's not, that's not it. If we don't die
and ain't gonna stop. That's crazy. Let's go keep going.
Do you try to stay out the way, like when
you go back home or do you even go back home? Yeah?
I go back home a lot. Is it even worth it? Though? Well?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I got family there, you know what I'm saying, and
people need me right, So.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I just wonder, like, what's the you know, Well, for.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
A minute, when I was running around there, I had
a bluepoo vests round around ten the windows blullepoof vests.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I was good, But the cops got to know if
you're coming. Do you think when you come into town
they know you're there?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I think so, because I get pulled over and they'd
be like, hey the baby, I'll be like, yeah, slow
down south speed and let me go.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
The never tell you that they like your music or anything. No, no,
Like I don't think they like, like, yeah, we love
that freestyle you did like that? That's crazy, man. Well hopefully, look,
you guys gotta fucking stay here. I think I gotta.
I've never had a relationship with the EBK guys, had
a great relationship with you and and B. Now you
(29:12):
guys seem to be very very You know, smart, well
capable guys who should stay here as long as possible.
Let me try. I mean, listen, man, it ain't worth.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
It, dog, I feel it. But war is a part
of this planet. So I ain't never been no killing
when I was killing. That's how you gotta really think
about it. It's like how far are you gonna push
a person? How much can you say I'm gonna let
it go? When does it gonna get to a point
or you break? So that's what Stockton is doing right now.
(29:45):
You only can do something so many times for a
person before they break.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Do you feel like that tragic shooting that happened at
the kid's birthday party? Do you feel like people got
to the point where like, all right, this is getting
too much, we gotta stop. Or do you feel like
it united more united? Moore?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, there are positive people don't want it to stop.
But those kids who see their cousins pass away, what
you think they're gonna grow up and do right, get
to try to get their get back. Maybe maybe yeah,
I don't know, but it's like it's sad you just
gotta leave.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah. I feel like a lot of people are getting
up out of there, you know, what I'm saying, getting spots.
I mean, if they raised the price, then that's the
other thing that can fix everything. If Stockton becomes all
of a sudden like barrier prices, everybody's just gonna leave.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I mean, two thousand a month for townhouse, three bedroom.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
That's how I mean. Listen, I live in l A.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I don't even know if I wouldna be living in townhomes,
So it's gonna be it's like a you're gonna be
like dah, I'm in the hood.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, but the cheap as a motherfucker though, you know
what I'm saying. It is, but I just try to
keep it.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I know I'm coming off probably like hell of like Stern,
but as I'm keeping as rulers, I came with you
with this.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, well, I hope the cycle eventually ends. But like
as we know, it's a hard thing to be the
bigger man when you lose your family. There's only so
much you can say, so much you can take. Yeah,
one hundred percent. Man, All right, Well, listen, dude, go
support the album Trap R three yep, uh, are you
(31:23):
gonna read you say you're gonna try to re rework
the freestyle. Eventually, nah, I ain't gonna do it again.
I've dropped a freestyle today. You gotta come up with it.
We gotta go viral again. Yeah, come up with some
crazy shit. I can. I can't do it on like
the seventh or eighth, like I don't know what it
was twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
What I haven't did is seeing I haven't showed you
I can really sing. Really, I'm gonna go viral doing that.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Okay, we gotta do it for like the anniversary. We'll
have DJ head right there. Oh man, it's trying to
give me back. That was all time I've seen that video.
That's long. I was like, damn, I was hell a
little like one hundred and thirty pounds on it. I
just remember your boy Jiggy was always hitting me, y'all.
I got this kid, haitibaby, I don't care. Hey got
(32:06):
me off the streets too. I was literally in the streets.
What happened to Jiggy? Uh family? Yeah, I know he
don't work at kawin and he's put up. He's doing good. Yeah,
still a niner.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I don't think he was fucking with the with the
k Win thing anymore anyway, though. Yeah, it's not where
he really wanted to end that.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Right right, right, right now. Well listen, man shout out
to you, appreciate your pulling up. Oh yeah, Haiti baby
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M just getting man the Blue Black Cap Podcast. We
got a special guest in here, Haiti Baby was hand
hand was handing this chain you got on. It's very impressive,
rag Baby. That ship is a lot. Yeah. What's up man?
How you been I've been cool? How you been been solid? Brother?
How was this tour you had with Blue Face? What
(00:21):
was this experience like cause he's streaming his baby mama
drama happening? Yeah, all that. It was fun though.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It was fun though, like me one take e l
Flame jat five content av.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
There was a lot of people on that tour. Yeah,
was Ot on it? Ot?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, Ot Genesis, Yeah, his baby Mama. Both of them
performed too, some some dates.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Both of OT's baby Mama, her Blue Faces. So it
was just it was just like we was just having fun.
Everybody was doing everything that sounded like a lot. Yeah, yeah,
yeah for sure. Was that was that your most like
fun touring experience being on the road with all that craziness.
Huh yeah, we're like the I'm indifferent on a tour
like that because Blueface brings out the hose. He bring
(01:04):
out the hose, But like I was isolated, you're isolated. Yeah,
And then well you're in a relationship. Yeah, so are
you paranoid because you're live on the internet sometimes? No.
I think I've always liked that though, because like that
he's streaming the whole time. Yeah, so you know I
wouldn't do it anyway, Yeah, I would have. I just
(01:25):
I get super uncomfortable being live on the internet if
I don't know what the fuck's going on, you know. Yeah,
so that was like kind of a traveling reality show.
Love it hip hop? Yeah for sure? For sure? Man?
So what else been going on? Man? I just dropped
the album New three Independent? So so when you say because,
I feel like you've always been kind of independent. So
when you say independent, now, what does that mean to you?
(01:49):
Mend percent in control? So you like doing the distro
kid thing or you're doing like, how are you doing
the distribution sarta? Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Oh yeah yeah they're like three hundreds wing Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah. You know the new manager to pk oh PK
Yeah yeah from the bay. Yeah. Does that mean you
also know John Costinn? Yeah? John, the oldest, youngest bro
with the craziest hairline you've ever seen. Yeah, to be
best friend. He's literal right, He's the one who had
to teach me how to move around in the bay
with like the rental car windows and ship. Oh you
(02:20):
gotta leave that ship down, leave it down. Pop the trunk.
Yeah they're running there. Did the bipping thing ever make
it to Stockton? Not really, but we knew about it,
but yeah, it's the thing. And well, I think I
heard it's calmed down a little bit because I heard
they put cameras everywhere and I'm sitting money like that,
So you going to someone car and really find it something.
(02:42):
It's like what we was doing.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
We was still in cards and then doing donuts in
him and then dropping them off.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Dropping them off somewhere. Yeah, what is it about Stockton?
You think that like makes it such a violent place
because in hip hop we just think of it as
like the op killing capital of like rap music and point.
It's kind of it's got, but I feel like you
came in the game with like your own energy early on.
But now it's like the whole entire like negative side
of stock and I feel like it's kind of taken
(03:09):
over the the national perception of the city.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
It was, it's rough, it was rough growing up like
every other hood though, right, I think y'all just got
to see our trauma like displayed because it's new. Stockton
was cool to live in for a while, and then
my generation fucked it.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Up, right, you know because a lot of people were
having to like move there from the Bay because the
baby was getting too expensive.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, in La so like people from Los angelesten to
people from migrated because I was born in the town, right,
so my mama moved me out there to stock this Like.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
You think the younger generation fucked everything up?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, we just yeah, it was, but we had more
access to guns and stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Why do you think why do you think you have
more access to guns than Stockton? Well, I feel like
different guns right from your first having them real joints. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
When I was when I was like thirteen, I had
an ARP.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
That's crazy. How do you get an ARP if thirteen?
That's what I'm saying is geration? Would you get it?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
It's stole it from who I got a gun and
I'll say, let me hold it and I just take
it from me.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
That's crazy. I mean, but do you feel like a
lot of the YouTube documentaries kind of like added to
because I feel like there was like this whole sub
genre of like stocked in YouTube.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Like swamp Stories and all them. Yeah, like it's fifty
to fifty fifty fifty.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Because I'm sure it helped with a lot of people's Lord,
That's why I said, because he made he can make
you against it.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
He can make people really believe like this is in
your musical sales, so he can help you.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Yeah. Do you think swamp story I got like swamp
stories helped some people, helped some people. Yeah, he knows it.
Have you seen uh that now he's like showing his face.
He's like a normal white dude. I assume. I remember
he used to talk crazy. Yeah, and I was assuming
this dude was like you know, like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I mean the eyes of somebody seeing him was just
killing him for that is crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Well, I was gonna say, like, if you're him, I
wonder if you're like worried about because you've ignited a
lot of beef and it. He's definitely had a lot
of beef with people on social media. So now he's
like exposed.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
But he hasn't killed nobody, like, so I feel like
he's doing his same. He's just talking.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, I mean he had some really good I mean
I was. I thought he did a good job with
the putting those videos out, like they were entertaining, if
that's what you're into. But I feel like he started
a lot of shit in Northern California for sure.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So I think it was already started and he just
like money off the light on it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, it's like, all right, well, nobody else is talking
about that type shit he turned up. I mean, and
and it did help with turning up DC baby Draco
Julik he was doing it too. Yeah, for sure, I
think I had the DC baby Draco dude was here
with the what's that what's her name? Jalise Jalise yeaheah.
They did a uh they did a podcast with whack Hair.
(06:06):
Was liked WF but for real, it was interesting. I
don't know, So talk to me, man, what ended up
happening you For a while there were banging g Zy ship,
the CTE ship, and you were like kind of the
second big artist from the I mean two eleven was
over there back in the day. Yeah, what ended up
(06:26):
happening with you and CTE?
Speaker 2 (06:28):
It wasn't really c it was dev Jam Okay, he
had like a partnership with dev Jam right, So he
was like executive being for the project of me. But
then he like he I felt like he wasn't super
hands on being executive with me, and so they were
stepping up and I didn't like that.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I would saying, Jesus, I'm like, like I need you.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
But they over here trying to change my image, telling
me to cut my hair, just stuff that I was like,
that ain't really me.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, but you were like a good looking, like swow
ass motherfucker, Like why would want you to switch up
your they wanted to me. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Well, I don't really think GZ knew who he signed.
You know, we did an interview at the BT thing
when I first got with with you.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, it was like do you know who you got?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Like, because when he found me through Trey, which is
the n R the songs, he I said.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
What the songs you know about me?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I just asked him, And there was certain records, like
you know, he knew against the tracks like never seen
party rocking that shit. I did a harminator he didn't know,
like Blue Dragon, like.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Boo, blue Dragon, is that the gold one? Is that
the one? Blue Dragon? No, that's not gold.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Change of Life is platinum, and then Distractions is going gold.
Those are what I did with YP and Stock then
so those are going blue.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Dragon came out around the time that that was right
after our freestyle. Yeah, I already had that song done.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Then I did the freestyle purposely like, yeah, I'm finna
market this.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Did you outside of I mean, that was the most
viral shit ever. That ship was crazy. I gotta try
to crank it back up. But now it's kind of
like every every couple of weeks, somebody some little tag
like the worst freestyles of all time, and it'll be
like ten of them and they'll be me riff raff. Yeah,
but riff raff rap though riff raff. It's always off
the top of his head. I needed him that. Do
(08:13):
you you look back at that freestyle and and I
guess to me, ask you, what was the biggest curse
of that freestyle? Was it? Or was there a curse
to it that he can't wrap that? People will be like, yes,
it's the worst, and then when you go listen to
the music, it's like, oh, this motherfucking rap. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
So now it's like if I want to revamp it,
I don't want to do it again. I think just
try to make I should just post it again.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I just didn't know. I remember because Jiggy brought you
up to the station and I was like, did you
know he was gonna do that? No, none of them did,
none of He's like, no idea, dude. But it was
like the most I didn't think I was gonna post it,
but I really wanted to go to post it. Well.
I remember like when we when we when we played it,
because we played it for the mixers, We're like, you
(08:59):
guys got to understand how crazy this freestyle is. And
everybody was like split. Some people were like, yo, this
is gonna go viral, and everybody else was like this
ship is horrible. But I was like, yo, there's something
about this freestyle. Yeah, it's like you fucking caught the
Holy Ghost in the middle of it. I was just saying, like,
you were fucking possessed random ship. Hi, Hi Hi. And
(09:21):
then I end up putting it in my music. Yeah. Crazy,
And then obviously you have like Rihanna reposted yeah, uh,
Chrissy Tigan, Chrissy, Meek mil too, Meek Mill. He tried
to sign me Meek tried to sign it to Dream Chasers.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, he talked to Ghazi and I was and then
guy he talked to me. I was like, nah with
you GUYSI yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
It wasn't like do you regret not giving it a look? No,
I don't get it. Yeah. I don't think that there
was another artist on Dream Chasers that ever on his label.
I don't think. So maybe maybe I'm tripping. Maybe I
just feel like I was cool with Gassy. I'm like
the singer chick. I don't remember her name, but yeah,
but you got rocking with Oh yeah, I was just
rocking with guys.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
So I'm like, I didn't take no deal, Like hell,
it offers on the table run a time.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I stuck. Well, you definitely uh have placked a lot
with Empire. H. So it's like, well, if I'm already
getting this money independently. Yeah, So you got a lot
of people reach out after that freestyle. Every label, everyone
tried to sign it. Everyone. What was the hardest one
to say no to?
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I was it was hard to say no because I
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Speaker 1 (11:58):
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Speaker 2 (12:00):
But my history with Empire was already deep, Like I
signed the same day XX tenC on sign.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
So I was just feeling like, I'm like, we family,
and I'm sure Gods really I mean you, I mean
the way Empires are pretty flexible, bout letting people move around.
Guys was keeping the real guys.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Was like, I feel like, if you do want to sign,
get a couple more records on your belt, then go.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
And I was like, nah, I'm gonna just just rock. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
They was off of millions. I was like, nah, I
feel like I'm gonna get screwed.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Do you feel like you are kind of the og
of Stockton at this point? Yeah, I'm old. Now. I
feel like it's like you and now are like very
like just the old old rapper dudes. Now, yeah you.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
All right?
Speaker 1 (12:39):
You guys away? Yeah, you know in a way. Yeah,
you're right, you're right. Who would you put on the
Mount Rushmore of Stockton? Hip hop? Me?
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Okay, me, Jbo, Neil Rariri and j Black Okay? You
know who knows other not the last two? Oh is
Jo's dad?
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Oh ship? Yeah? He Pass's dad was a rapper. Yeah,
he passed away. When I was young, I was supposed
to do an interview with Jabo at some ranch and
I don't know, like a week later he they canceled
it and then he ended up going to jail. Yeah.
I was like, wait a minute, he was just up
north and now he's in Arkansas. What the fuck is
going on?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
We had we had rappers back then, like like t Tall,
Like we have a battle rap scene in Stockton too.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Oh be Causida used to pull up there. Oh that's dope. Yeah,
we had a batter rap scene out there. Did you
ever do any battle rapping?
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I tried, and then I just kept it and I
was just I'm gonna just do it. In high school,
I'm gonna just wrap because my friends. Yeah, it wasn't
really fol me.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Do you feel like because it felt like for a
while there, Stockton was getting a lot of love from
like academics, like I guess a lot of people who
couldn't break out of the West Coast. Stockton wasn't having
that problem when it came to getting some attention from
like some of the other facemakers nationwide.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Cauld we we I feel like we we bo. We're
gonna say something that people be like, whoa, what the fuck?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah for sure, yeah, for sure. But then it's like
the other side of it is like then there's like
these crazy, like tragic shootings. Well it's real.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
That's the only difference between a lot of other cities.
It's actually real. So like if you go there, the chances.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
And it's a small place. Yeah, Like I went there
once with Brian Samson. Do you know Brian Sampson is
Brian Yeah, that fat fuck. He hated the freestyle. Oh
he hated it so much. He was like this is embarrassing.
But he was a team Neil. He was seeing b
nail and then when he met me, he was like, oh,
this guy's cool. No, no, actually it's funny because me and
me and Samson are I talked about him, I think
before you freestyle. Yeah, in the beginning of our of
(14:41):
your freestyle on the show, I was like, do you
know Brian Samson? That fat fuck? So he hated the freestyle,
but he took me to Stockton one day. I was
in I was in the Bay when I was working
at the Empire, and I was gonna fly back home
to LA in the morning. But Samson was like, Yo,
I'm driving back, just ride with me, mm hmm. And
I was like, I fuck it. You know, so little
(15:02):
did he know like that, He didn't fucking tell me
that he was taking a long way so we could
stop and stocking and see his fucking family. I wake
up and he's like, yo, can't wake up. I'm in
front of some fucking park. He's riding me around the
fucking hood and I'm like, bro, why am I in
Stockton right now? Yeah? What the fuck? You know? He
showed me, you know, he showed me the the You know,
(15:23):
it's a small place, but it's very you know what
park I'm talking about. We got most of the parks. Yeah,
I'm sure there's more than one park. He was like, yeah,
you know this this I think it was around where
Neil's from, but it was definitely South I think, so. Yeah,
he was tripping. He bro, It's like fucking midnight and
we're driving Around'm like, bro, why do you have me
(15:44):
in the fucking trenches of stock I gotta show you, gav.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, that's my only time I wouldn't do that. Thank
you right around Stocking, like that'll bring you somewhere.
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Harding Underscore Las Vegas. All right, let's get back to
the podcast. Does the Sack shit and the stock and
shit because you got are so close to each other?
Does that like be like cities? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, the politic wise is not supposed to though, Like Sack.
People be looking at that like it's corny, Like why
y'all in our politics? But everybody not in it?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Right right?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Right? A few? What about this the Bay shit bleed
over at all to Stock No, no separate bang. But
I see they trying to do the rap beef and
do it.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
But it's just it's not it's not it's not the same. No,
it's too many people in the Bay that's like we
players wed.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah. I feel like the Bay area has got that
flavor where it's like just fly ship like Larry June
or some ship you know, or even like a guy
like Pelow Like I feel like I don't think no, I
don't think you should. I don't think no.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
City and Cali should pick up stocked in his sex culture.
Let us do our thing. But I don't think you
should pick it out. I think because it's it's it's
the devil. It's getting close to the devil as you
possibly can do.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
You feel like any responsibility for kind of being the
big homie out of Stockton now and like kind of
making sure that you know, you set an example. Yeah,
I still do set examples.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Yeah, so they talk to the youth, my homies and
ship keep their hair right, doing songs with them, keeping
them motivated.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Because anybody who's dope, who's going to come up out there?
Baby quack baby, he going crazy. It's agreed. He finna
blow up. Yeah, baby quack pop dough. Yeah yeah, I
like the baby quack name. Yeah, they go crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And my brother me me look yah yay, Yeah, they
all going crazy right now. It took a while for
us to really you know, when I look at him
now and I listened to him, I'm like, oh, yeah,
y'all got it.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Tell me about the new album. Who's on the new album?
Trap ar three? Yeah? She is mostly just me, no
features like I do. But let me see. I like
how he doesn't know who's on his album, like the
samples type Ship but basically features let me see we
(18:38):
can look at it together. Trap ar three, you got uh?
I got Mark Nasty? Who's Mark Nasty? R J? Savvy? Third,
Wally Descend That wasn't even my song, though, well, what's
on your fucking album? I know whose song was it?
It was supposed to be Sabby's. He's locked up though,
(18:58):
great guy, Yeah, that's my dog. I dropped it. I'm like,
let me put this on the album. It was going
while he's on there too. Yes, we got Wally RJ.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
My favorite song with Tusqito and Mark Little Duty. Oh
Little Duty, that's my cousin. Yeah, that's a great name too. Yeah,
he going crazy too. You gotta check him out. He's
from Stockton. No, he from the Bay.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
You were born and you say you're born in Oakland?
I was born in Oakland. I moved when I was
like two. So your family's Bay area.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, So, like my mom was in foster care, so
she got a lot of family.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
In the Bay.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
So, okay, got Ship. But all our family on my
mom's side are our family from Guyana.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Oh Ship.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, my mom like first first generation in this country. Wow,
So yeah, have you been? No, I haven't been in Guhana.
I missed our little family get together. It was in
San Diego. They all came, but I'm missing ur.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
It't beautiful out there. Yeah, you gotta go, man, you're
a successful guy. You got a giant dragon chain. You
fucking go to Guyana.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I'm back working though. That's why I don't even remember
who was on my album. I'm working on trap Our five,
trap Our four done?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
You already got four and then five. It's what you're
working on. Is there something that's that you like about
the ind of like being fully independent? That's like a
little different than when you know you would have to
submit stuff to the project manager over the Empire and
get stuff cleared and all that good ship, Like are
you I hated that? Oh, I've been there. Who's your
PM at Empire Project?
Speaker 2 (20:23):
We tried Gentry and me and Gentry to see how
he cool now though, and we got to it's.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Like a little Leprechaan with chrome hearts on. Yeah. I
love Gentry.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I forgot the girl's name though, No, I forgot her name.
Who's my product manage?
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Not Chelsea? Though she had all the Detroit. Bruh oh yeah,
they used to be an Empire Studio. Yo. The Empire
Studios is nice. It's gotten a lot nicer too. When
it first got built, me too. And they had that
fucking invisible podcast studio that had been worked on for
like three years and it never came, And now it's
finally there.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I lived my mic there. I never want to go
get it back.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Fuck. It also kind of like an active spot, like
there's a lot of there could be a lot of
people there at the same time as all ago. Yeah,
the Empire Studios could go walking goddamns like Twolve fucking
sessions going on.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, and then like I'm in so many politics I
don't want to walk in and somebody feel a certain
way like yoga hated here over here, and it's like
you might, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Well you're not. Are you in a lot of politics
outside of Stockton? Is just in stock like Stockton issues
or did you have issues with anybody outside.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Of I'm in c So that's a Northern crypt. I
got the biggest card. So like I feel like I'm new,
I feel like I'm cool, like people see me. I
feel like it's cool, but I never know what you own.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
So Northern Crip would be the biggest Northern California cryp
card is it? It is just Northern Crip yep. And
then there's a bunch of different blood off shoots out there,
off shoots I don't know, like different is there is
there one.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Blood spending time with County shit. They either be like
the Stars or u Zilla like.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So they have two things Exaid far as Sack. But
I don't really know about the Bay. The Bay got
their own car. I know the Mexicans up there are red.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Northals, yes, yeah, but they stay and they do it
to themselves.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, I don't know all. I didn't even know before
I moved to La. Like even the Asians up top
is Northern Crips? Well is it not? I mean Mbnail's
he's a Northern Crip right yeah right, but he got
a whole hood out in Long Beach. Oh yeah, the
oh stupid young bro I was in. Uh. I went
to Thailand for fucking uh Rolling Loud two years ago
(22:37):
and one of their big homies is like the man
in Thailand. So he's from Long Beach and uh they yeah,
I think I've seen it before. Yeah, so we're I'm
in fucking Thailand for like twelve days, dude fucking partying
with stupid young and all his homies and ship. And
then his boy runs like a dispensary out there called
California's Finest. Yeah, and uh hidden, I know, he get
(23:01):
chilling out and they got great weed out there, real
brou I was tripping. I thought for sure it was
gonna be some bullshit. The weed in Thailand fucks. That
ship is fire. Damn. I don't smoke. You don't do
anything right. You don't drink or anything right. I drink
here and there. Yeah, I don't really. Yeah, I remember
that you were pretty sober? Yeah, was there a reason
(23:22):
why you decided not to? I started doing drugs hell early,
so that's why what kind of drugs were doing everything?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Like after I graduated high school, I started doing coke,
I started smoking, I started popping perks, sipping lean.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
You were doing all the ship, the whole rapper fucking handbook. Yeah,
but I was. I was in a dark place though.
Which drug did you like the most?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Mmm?
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Syrup? I was? I like that? But I was spending
all my money on that ship. That shit is expensive
and that should have you drinking helisoda. Yeah. The motherfuckers
be drinking lean man, they drink so much sugar. Yeah,
I've been. I'm like everybody looked like Adrian Browner. Yeah
with that belly, the lean gut, can't do it.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I'm going on like what seven to eight years or
seven years when I'm doing nothing.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
That's dope. Yeah, that's why I got my muscle on,
like I can work out. Be cool, bro, I've only
done weed and shrooms is cool.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I'm pro marijuana, Like, I just don't smoke right right,
It's just not for you. It's not for me, but
you can smoke around me. Shooms is actually.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Are great. I've never done. Whoever wrote the Bible had
to be on shows for sure. Somebody was tripping, Like
there's some trippy ship in the Bible. Somebody should really
recreate them, Like I could do a TV show where
it's like super descriptive and tripped out versions of like
Bible stories, like somebody like Tim Burton or somebody you
(24:54):
know that the guy did he did a fucking Nightmare
before Christmas Tim Burton. All, Oh, I like that movie.
It's a classic. Oh yeah, shout out to Raffi Law group,
our family. Yes, it's been so dope to partner with.
You know, such a name and brand and somebody who
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(25:17):
I don't just put my name on anybody when we
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see us partnering with brands, We're very selective about who
we connect with. And Raffi is someone who's actually helped
my family, helped my wife get a settlement, all right,
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(26:02):
a big happy birthday to Raffi's just celebrated his fortieth birthday.
We had a good time in Vegas. Fifty cent was there,
Paula d was there, mad Rich was there. E c
Rock was there.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
It was a movie, all right, Secretary of State was there.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
We were just hanging out. Man show. Look shout out
to Brandon Raffi. Don't forget Raffie Law Group. The only
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Let's get back to the podcast. Some trippy ass shit,
all right. So your new album is out now, you
got a part four already finished, Part five you're working on,
(26:39):
so you already have an idea when we're gonna release
a part four.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Nah, I ain't got no idea. I just just keep
working right now. I'm just focused on pushing Trap par three.
I love all my records, all my records on Trap
AR three banging. So I'm just like having fun just
going around promoting this shit.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Are you doing any other shows? I know you just
got off tour. Is there any other live stuff happening?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
A bunch of people calling me trying to give me
to do collab tours with them. But right now I'm
just still doing hosts and shows promoting my my stard.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Will you still do shows in Stockton? I will? But
you know they be driving. Does the cops and all
that they be on your head? It be everybody, not
just the police, Like if you have a show and
might get shot up. Uh yeah yeah. Listen, man, I
think that fucking kids birthday party that got shut up.
(27:26):
That was the most tragic shit ever. People scared and
that event happening. God rest, everyone's soul lost their life,
probably fucked up a lot of.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Well it was the first time y'all seen it. It's
been happening. So what's going on in Stockton? It ain't
even game banging. It's just hurt people, hurt people. You know,
somebody kill your daughter, you go kill their son, and
then it's just just a cycle of.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Get back and it is. That's what's going on. This
has been going on. It's like somebody's got to stop it.
I mean, the only way to stop it is if
we die.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I died, Jabo died, and they'll die in our top
head is from Marho has died, then it's done.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
If that's not, that's not it. If we don't die
and ain't gonna stop. That's crazy. Let's go keep going.
Do you try to stay out the way, like when
you go back home or do you even go back home? Yeah?
I go back home a lot. Is it even worth it? Though? Well?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I got family there, you know what I'm saying, and
people need me right, So.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
I just wonder, like, what's the you know, Well, for.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
A minute, when I was running around there, I had
a bluepoo vests round around ten the windows blullepoof vests.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I was good, But the cops got to know if
you're coming. Do you think when you come into town
they know you're there?
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I think so, because I get pulled over and they'd
be like, hey the baby, I'll be like, yeah, slow
down south speed and let me go.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
The never tell you that they like your music or anything. No, no,
Like I don't think they like, like, yeah, we love
that freestyle you did like that? That's crazy, man. Well hopefully, look,
you guys gotta fucking stay here. I think I gotta.
I've never had a relationship with the EBK guys, had
a great relationship with you and and B. Now you
(29:12):
guys seem to be very very You know, smart, well
capable guys who should stay here as long as possible.
Let me try. I mean, listen, man, it ain't worth.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
It, dog, I feel it. But war is a part
of this planet. So I ain't never been no killing
when I was killing. That's how you gotta really think
about it. It's like how far are you gonna push
a person? How much can you say I'm gonna let
it go? When does it gonna get to a point
or you break? So that's what Stockton is doing right now.
(29:45):
You only can do something so many times for a
person before they break.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Do you feel like that tragic shooting that happened at
the kid's birthday party? Do you feel like people got
to the point where like, all right, this is getting
too much, we gotta stop. Or do you feel like
it united more united? Moore?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, there are positive people don't want it to stop.
But those kids who see their cousins pass away, what
you think they're gonna grow up and do right, get
to try to get their get back. Maybe maybe yeah,
I don't know, but it's like it's sad you just
gotta leave.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah. I feel like a lot of people are getting
up out of there, you know, what I'm saying, getting spots.
I mean, if they raised the price, then that's the
other thing that can fix everything. If Stockton becomes all
of a sudden like barrier prices, everybody's just gonna leave.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I mean, two thousand a month for townhouse, three bedroom.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
That's how I mean. Listen, I live in l A.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
I don't even know if I wouldna be living in townhomes,
So it's gonna be it's like a you're gonna be
like dah, I'm in the hood.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, but the cheap as a motherfucker though, you know
what I'm saying. It is, but I just try to
keep it.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I know I'm coming off probably like hell of like Stern,
but as I'm keeping as rulers, I came with you
with this.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, well, I hope the cycle eventually ends. But like
as we know, it's a hard thing to be the
bigger man when you lose your family. There's only so
much you can say, so much you can take. Yeah,
one hundred percent. Man, All right, Well, listen, dude, go
support the album Trap R three yep, uh, are you
(31:23):
gonna read you say you're gonna try to re rework
the freestyle. Eventually, nah, I ain't gonna do it again.
I've dropped a freestyle today. You gotta come up with it.
We gotta go viral again. Yeah, come up with some
crazy shit. I can. I can't do it on like
the seventh or eighth, like I don't know what it
was twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
What I haven't did is seeing I haven't showed you
I can really sing. Really, I'm gonna go viral doing that.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Okay, we gotta do it for like the anniversary. We'll
have DJ head right there. Oh man, it's trying to
give me back. That was all time I've seen that video.
That's long. I was like, damn, I was hell a
little like one hundred and thirty pounds on it. I
just remember your boy Jiggy was always hitting me, y'all.
I got this kid, haitibaby, I don't care. Hey got
(32:06):
me off the streets too. I was literally in the streets.
What happened to Jiggy? Uh family? Yeah, I know he
don't work at kawin and he's put up. He's doing good. Yeah,
still a niner.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I don't think he was fucking with the with the
k Win thing anymore anyway, though. Yeah, it's not where
he really wanted to end that.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Right right, right, right now. Well listen, man shout out
to you, appreciate your pulling up. Oh yeah, Haiti baby
trap Part three Go get that man, go get it
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