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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Yo Boulet keV show Man. We got a special guest
in here. Eighteen year NBA veteran Damn Trevor Rees is
a legend all right, man, Look I'm a Suns fan
if you could tell by the signed Devin Booker Jersey
behind you.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Okay, but books in the building, I have to ask
you about this.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Just to kick the interview off, you will have a
random cup of tea in Phoenix for a year.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And this was the year we drafted DeAndre Aiden's.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
A couple of months.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, it was quick because I think did you end
up in the Kings after that?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, it's I've been in a lot of places, so
I think I did end up in Sack after that, So.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
This was like, uh No, I didn't. I was in
DC after that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
This was like a weird year because the Sons drafted
DeAndre Aiden passed on Lukadankic despite having Igor as the coach.
Igor didn't last very long. But you come in to
kind of be the veteran hypothetically like all these young brothers.
I think Josh Jackson's on the team. Was there any
(01:07):
like blowback in the building or how do people feel
about them picking Da over Luca, considering they had Luca's
national coach as the coach of the Sons.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
When I was there, I didn't really I didn't really
hear none of that, you know, because I wasn't there
before they drafted, you know, so after they drafted, they
I believe they just I don't even know. Honestly, I
can't tell you about if there was blowback or anything,
but ship if Luca would have been there, I probably
(01:37):
would have been there. So you know, you know, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
How was How was?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Because that's kind of like the beginning of like Alpha book.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, because I felt.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Like the bubble year comes and then you know, we
go undefeated, Like what was your just limited time around
Booker as a teammate.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I watched book work his ass off. I watched him,
you know, continue to try to find ways to be
as good as he can. I saw him out work everybody,
and you know, he just that want to take his
take the next step in his career at that time
was very very like he was pressing for that, like
he wanted that and not pressing in a bad way,
(02:15):
but he wanted every moment. He wanted to be in
every moment where it all fell on his shoulders.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, no, that's dope. Man.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Now you got this event happening back home. Yeah, Turks
July thirty first, that's next weekend. This is dope, man.
I didn't even know you were from Turks.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
A lot of people don't know that. I don't really
talk that much, so you know, a lot of people
wouldn't know that unless they knew me.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, so you were the first guy to like, I know,
your dad was like a really popping basketball player there, right,
but like you're the first guy to make it to
like one of the major leagues.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
First, and so far the only one, right, So we're
trying to change that narrative.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Well, I always wonder when you're coming up in a
place like that, like you were talking about the ads
from the Bahamas, I would like, like there's probably the
uphill battle to get into just the world of like
professional basketball has to be so much greater because you're
so you're far away, like like what was that journey like?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So for me, Well, I was born in Miami.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
You know, both of my parents, my whole family's from
Turks and Keekos, but usually around I guess my time
even now a lot of a lot of the parents
try to have their kids be born in the States
or the UK.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Just more opportunities and and you know, a bigger world
for lack of better words, and more opportunities to be
able to to go into whatever field that there is
out there for you.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That's dope, man.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
What is the breakdown this weekend though, Like, yeah, I'm
obviously gonna be a lot of a lot of your
homies go.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, yeah, So this weekend, it's going to be a
lot of athletes. They're golfing with me for that for
that initiative. They like to golf a lot of them.
But we're doing like different activations. We're trying to combine
the community with a lot of the local business leaders
(04:16):
and also do activations in sports and basketball. That's something
that got me. The platform that I do, got got
me the notoriety that I do have. And I always
just thought that if I was able to be able
to make it to where I made it to, there
has to be more people from where I'm from that
could do the same thing or even take it further.
(04:38):
So you know, being able to come back and show
them just things that I learned over my way over
my journey.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Is more than important.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Is it also like important to try to get the
resources out there for up and coming athletes have a pipeline.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I feel like the AAU world makes.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It like.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
It's expensive.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I know your son is he goes to Orgon.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Right, Yeah. I have a son that goes to Oregon here.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, but you know, I got a son who does
AAU tournaments. We just went to Vegas for a tournament
and that shit, Like I was like, bro, we spent
like three thousands.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, and that's just one tournament. That's for the whole summer.
You could be spending twenty twenty five thousand.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
So for kids that don't have that ability or is
not can afford that, where do they go?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
What do they do?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
And being from a small island like Turce and Kekos
where the resources are limited in that way given trying
to find ways to bring more resources and give them
the opportunity the same way as we had here or
the same way that I was afforded. I feel like
that's a duty of mine.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I want to talk to you. I am the biggest
Warriors hater and in the twenty eighteen season, or the playoffs.
I finally thought they were done. I was like, Chris
Paul gets injured. You as the Rockets are having this crazy,
just crazy run, CP goes down obviously heartbreaking, man. I
(06:10):
think if he would have gotten injured, things probably would
have gone different.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
When you agree with that absolutely.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You go zero for nine from the three, Yeah, I
think you guys missed thirty seven three pointers in Game seven.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
That shit is crazy.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
It was what I was sitting in a pool in Scottsdale, Arizona,
and I was just like, what is if y'all would
have made five more than formal s man?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
To be honest with you, that shit was like. So
they have like this like.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Sometimes when you train in when you shoot, they have
like this thing that you put on the rim that
makes the rim a little bit smaller. So in order
for the ball for you to make the shot, it
got to be it gotta be perfect. I feel like
one of those Liz was on that on the second
half of the game.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah. And you know what's so crazy is I feel
like Darryl Moury and Mike D'Antoni were right, like they
built the team. Like Darryl Morriy always said he was
like building the team to beat the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
It's just the Yeah, we had opportunities to beat them,
but again, you know the basketball guys, wasn't they wasn't
they wasn't feeling us at that point in time. It
was something that we must have did wrong in the
beginning of the season to prepare for that.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So when you.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Look back at him, because obviously you've had some incredible
teams you've been a part of, obviously two thousand and
nine one in the ship with the Lakers, But do
you feel like that Rockets team was the best team
you were on.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Man, it's probably one of the best teams, like, but
statistically probably the best team.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Because you had hard and MVP season right yeah, yeah,
CP cooking yeah, and just.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Just shooters Pat Wait, Pat wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
We had the PJ Tucker center year.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Tuck was there Loop yep, myself. Those are three pieces
that you could just you could just move around. Then
you had Clint back there, young Clint Capella, who could guard,
you know, a live threat protect the rim. Then you
had nine coming in. He switched who switched it up,
switched up styles when he came in a game, very
(08:17):
aggressive on defense, very smart, able to you know, uh
kind of quarterback the defense. And then we had Jeff Bisdelick,
what a lot of people don't really know who was
one of the defensive coaches. Who was he coached with
with what's his name George Carl for a long time, right,
(08:37):
and he just was brilliant and he brought in, you know,
our schemes with with our personnel and the combination of
what we had him and coach D'Antoni for the offense,
it was like we had all the tools necessary to
win a championship. We just again fucked around and went cole.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Did you because it always felt like there was a
real disdain between the Rockets and Warriors for like two
or three seasons. Did you guys really feel some type
of way about the Warriors?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I feel like you would feel the way if somebody
kicked your ass every day, right, you know. And we
were a team that we are confident, We had a
good time. We we cared for each other, and we
covered for each other on the court, and you know,
we weren't a bad team as well, so we felt
like we could beat them. But yeah, you're gonna feel
(09:28):
a way about a team that constantly finds ways to
get over, you know, beating you.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
It's just like playing a video game.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I mean, that's what they did. When they got ad
it was like and then there was the year they
got DeMarcus, which I think they lost that year.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Actually, no, they didn't have them, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I think it was the year after when they lost
the when they lost the Rappers. Yeah, yeah, the five
All Stars.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And we only had what too.
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there something, because like I feel like CP gets Depending
on who you ask, he is a very He's a
polarizing guy in the league. Like some people who play
with him, they like they have negative things. But then
there's other people who play with him that are like, yo,
he was, but it always felt like when he was
with the Suns on our championship run. Yeah, that in
the final two or three minutes of the game, there
(11:47):
was a calmness because he had the ball.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I mean you for his game and what he's done.
I mean, when is the last time that Phoenix went
to out.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
The play well, yeah, before that it was two thousand
and yeah, I think it was twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And then he gets there and they go to the
finals when it's the last time they've been to the
finals probably only once too, right, ninety three or.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Something free with the Bulls against the Bulls.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, So if one player can come in and change
your organization and help get to those in those moments,
I mean, can you argue with.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, Like, how can you argue with that?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I always told people, like the Thunder year, when you
went to the Thunder and it was supposed to be
a throwaway year and he got him like the four
or five seed.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
And look and look what that turned into. That get
a cornerstone franchise superstar player to shape them. Same thing
that I feel like happened with Book, but got around him,
learned the ways that he was able to teach and
book was able to be the player that he needed
to be as far as that that killer to go
(12:55):
out there and score and play his game, you know,
the way that he needs to be for that franchise
to be as good as they were at that time.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You know, he changes a lot of careers.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
You have played for some of the greatest coaches of
all time. I always wonder you get traded midway well,
the next season, your second year in the league, you
get traded, did you how how much did you actually
get to be around Larry Brown?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I was around Larry Brown from when he started in
the Knicks for the Knicks until I was out of there.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Because when did you get traded?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Was it mid February?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
So February so it was kind of midway through the
season break. Yeah, so round the trade deadline was Because
I always wonder the contrast of like a guy like
Phil Jackson who always is like woos and then you
got Larry Brown, who's like just angry, but they're both incredible,
like both all time great coaches.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
In the In the moment, PJ is like he knows
how to I believe he does a really good job
of managing personalities because there's a system that's already in place.
The only thing you gotta do is continue to learn
the system and work so being able to manage like
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big egos and superstar players and make them mesh well
with role players or players that don't play that much.
To get to get the most out of everybody, I
feel like you got to be a great like manipulator
of man how to.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Deal with people's egos. And he obviously dealt with all
kinds of big threes and Rodman and let Rodman go
to Vegas for a night.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You gotta know your you gotta know what how you're
gonna get the best out of your players. And if
that's what it takes, then that's what it takes. At
the end of the day, it's about the results, right,
no matter how you get there, it's just a results.
And I feel like Coach Brown. Coach Brown was like
he's going to every day, He's going to pound on
what you need to do or how we need to
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get it done. And you don't realize how good of
a of a mote evader he is until you go
somewhere else. You know, you don't even understand how important
he is until you're you're now in his position or
you're trying to teach other younger players. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Damn that's what the was talking about, because.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
That had that had to be a wild locker room.
It was like Steph Marbury, Steady Curry like, Yeah, it
was like it was like a lot of it was.
That was one of those Nix seasons that I'm sure
Knicks fans would like to forget about. So tell me. Okay,
so you end up you're with the Magic and stan
Van Gundy and then you get traded to the Lakers
(15:38):
and then you help the Lakers beat the Magic in
the finals.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
That was a good moment for me personally.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I can imagine you have a chip on your shoulder.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I've always had a chip on my shoulder though, right
from the beginning of my career. I've always had like
these people just don't understand like what I can do, right,
So being able to play the team that didn't believe that, Yeah,
and maybe even they maybe it wasn't the fact that
they didn't believe that I could help their team, it's
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just the fact that maybe the players that were that
were there at the time just fit what he liked
better than what I could do at that point in time.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I mean, you end up having these two clutch steals
in the game, and like being such an integral part
of that team. You were damn near like the Scottie
Pippen of that team, like if you will, like it
was a bit it was it was like I feel
like that was like you're coming out party too right now?
Like now that turned you into like a household name.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Well, I mean playing for the Lakers, you're pretty you know,
and getting You're on a big stage. So if you
if you play well and you know you you play
hard and you receive you're received well around the world
because the Lakers is such a high profile organization.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I saw you say that Kobe's won a Lebron's one
b all time.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Is that is that when you don't count Jordan's okay, when.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
You don't count Jordan, so you think Jordan, we're putting
Jordan number one.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, Jordan is not even he don't count.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
He doesn't count.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
He's like, Jordan doesn't count.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, what is the okay? Because Lebron's going to he
just went to Philly, right, which I don't think a
lot of people expected, But what would Lebron have to
do because he is on this unprecedented stretch of I
think it's year twenty two now.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Twenty four, which is fucking that is nuts. That's cool, though,
I want to see him get to twenty five. No,
nobody ain't gonna never Cach.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I'm just curious, like for you, as somebody who went
up against him and somebody who played with Kobe, what
more does he have to do for people to be like, Nah,
he's the goat.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I just I think everybody has their own like personal
preference on what they like. It ain't about who's who
because they all are different. The most comparable players, I
guess would be Kobe, Kobe and Jordan because their.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Game was similar.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, yeah, but bron game is completely different things their games.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
We haven't really seen anybody at that level of greatness
be able to do so much at such a high level.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah, he does a lot of different things, and he
does all the small things too that maybe your eighth
or nine man would do, and he still makes the
spectacular plays that your superstar would do.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So what are your thoughts on him choosing Philly and
how do you think that's gonna pan.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Out, Well, I got like I have interest like different
type of views. For a number of reasons. I think
their team is going to be really good because again
Bron is still Lebron James. He does a lot of
different things, just had a great season, and he doesn't
have to be like your main Yeah, he doesn't score,
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he don't got to be your main anything with the
guys you got, But the way he drives the game
and like the business parts of it, I feel.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Like he was cheated a little bit.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Why and because he's a huge draw to the game,
Like how much money do you feel like he's created
for the game for the.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
NBA billions and billions and billions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
And probably still going to create billions.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
And it's always said the right things. It's always went
on whatever trips they want them on.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I don't know about all that, Like I'm just saying,
like from the outside, look.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
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So why do you feel like Lebron was cheated with this?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Okay, So there's there's two parts to this, right. There's
the player, the competitor, and then there's the business man. Right,
So as players like emotionally we be like into the game,
into the players that you play with. But then like
there's a business side to it right and understanding, like
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worse than what you are and what you bring. There's
a value on that, right, regardless of how old you are,
how long you've been doing something, there's a value for that.
Yeah too, you know from me just personally, him planning
for whatever for me they publicized. I'm not sure if
(21:10):
that's the right one.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
So so you think, because you know you, I think
he said he was going to sacrifice a payday.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
For he fucking did. That's huge.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, that's crazy. You get him on essentially a minimum.
It's not quite the minimum, but it's it's right there. Yeah,
it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
But again, and then then you look at the Lakers
and you're like, what what happened there? Where he could
like he because if he had tooken a pay cut
with the Lakers, they probably could have still had the Kessler.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Bro Like, nah, it wasn't it was. It probably was
time for him to to move on.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, you could kind of tell they're like just full
Luka mode. Whatever you want, man, they would have got
a center.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, it was just probably time
for him to move on. It just it's kind of
crazy to see like someone like that playing or taking
a business, like the business part of it kind of
feiling like that. And I'm not even saying that it's
a fail, but it's just it just don't add up
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for what he is and what he does.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, and then the other thing that sucks is we're
in this second apron like salary cap era where like
players really like a guy like Lou Dort gets traded
for four second round picks and he was on first NBA.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Defense last year.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, it's like what is but they can't afford to
keep everybody?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I know, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Do you feel like the new salary cap rules are
squeezing out vets?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I've been doing it for a long time.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Because a guy like Russell Westbrook is still not on
a team. And it happened last year too.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
That's my point, Like wait.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
A minute, yeah, like what he's done for the league,
nobody has done production wise too. Nobody has done that,
Like he.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Was looking nice on the Kings last year.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Like nobody is doing what he's doing, and like the
narrative that's being put and he's not even a bad dude,
you know what I mean. He's always giving back, he's
always helping his teammates. He's always trying to find ways
to make his teammates better, regardless of you know, things
that people highlight about what may be a deficiency, but
(23:14):
still every player has a deficiency. Look at his production,
look at what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
What do you think Because you were on the Russell
Westbrook Laker team.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
That was your final year, yep, that was my last year?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
What went wrong there?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I mean everything went wrong. Everybody's old at ship on
the team. It was it's just putting together a bunch
of players that you know, were really really good at
a point in time when you.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Got hell coming off the bench. It was just like
a in theory. It felt like it was supposed to
be like an expandable What was what's the name of
that movie with like Sylvester Stallone and yeah, expandables.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Just looked miserable though. I was like, oh man, this
is just just not working. It was like a basketball
fit thing.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Everybody play inside the paint, So when there's no space
inside the paint, how do you You can't really, you
can't tell Russ who is the point guard, to go
stand in the corner and expect them to shoot forty percent.
He don't got no rhythm to the game.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
He's crazy too, because they got Malik Monk that you're
on the on the minimum and then after that Malik
left him went crazy.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Malik's a really good player.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
He's really good. Yeah, what if you had to tell
me what what? Because you like we talked about the coaches.
Thing you've played for Mike d'An TONI, you've played for
Spoe for a second.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, I love Spo Phil.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
What is your I'm sure for different reasons, but but
but which coach was your favorite? Not necessarily your best
coach that you ever had, but your favorite.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I got two favorites.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Rick Adaman was one, Okay, he was really good my
first time in Houston, yep. And my second favorite is Money.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Williams money Man.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah, Money is really good, a great person, a great guy.
And his exit. I don't think there's anybody, even the
best coaches who x'es and O's was as like on
point as his.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, the Money thing is like worked in Phoenix until
it didn't. You you you guys had you were there,
like what with the Pelicans?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yea, the Hornets.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
So it was his first year we went the three,
we went to the playoffs second round, first or second round.
We played the Lakers. Jared Jack Jared Jack was on
that team, No p J.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Brown.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
So the second year, the team is in the middle
of getting so so the CP ends up leaving.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Are you there? When the trade gets vetoed.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
D West ends up leaving and then the league owns
the team. So we got like I guess they call
him two way players now, but back then it was
like G League. So we had like like seven G
League players on our team, and the team was trying
to figure out how to like what to do? So
(26:08):
what I so then I started looking at it from
a business perspective, all right, we want to have a
low salary cap, right, possibly see if what we can
do to get like, you know, a really hot pick,
which they ended up getting a number one pick, being
Anthony Davies, right, and then like you know, whoever purchases
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the team, they have this great asset with this young.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Cornerstone number one pick.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah yeah, yeah, so they got pieces to trade and
you got the number one pick and who was Anthony Davis?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
What is it like being on a team that's tanking?
It is because you've been on some taking ass teams like.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
As a competitor, and at that point in my career,
it's like miserable because I've won pretty much like all
the places that I've been from high school to you know,
all the way.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
So you know when you are.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
When you like to compete, when you like to to
win more than you like when you hate losing more
than you like to win. You know, that's being on
a team that's tanking is like miserable.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
What do you think the record wise? Do you remember
the worst team you played on in the NBA, like
the worst like where it was just like.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Jesus, that had to probably be it the Hornets. Yeah, yeah,
I think that probably was it.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Talk to me, man, because when we think about you've
talked about Kobe a lot in a lot of podcasts,
But I want to know, what is a random Phil
Jackson story you could share.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Phil Jackson he used to say some off the wall
things like crazy stuff like he used to just tell
us about places that he was from and some of
the things that they would say or do where he's from.
And it was just like it's not really you can't
really talk about that, not enough bad way.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
It's just some crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Shit, he's off the wall, dude. Is the like what
do you make y'all do yoga?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And shit?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Is that like a real thing?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Where I think when when I played for the Lakers,
we used to do a lot of meditating before you
watch film. So and in the playoffs, they were there
were themes to each series and like each series was
its shaped differently, right, So they used to pick out
movies that was similar to the opponent.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, So like Phil would be like, hey, everyone watched
this movie.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
No.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
In our film sessions, he would put clips of different
parts of the movie, like so it'll be like a
ten minute clip to get you locked in right to
the movie. And then he'll just will go into like
a quarter of what we need to work on and
then he'll, you know, move on.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
And what was the movie he was using against the
Magic Like, what was the do you remember.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
The I don't remember.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
But the movie that I do remember is when we
were playing against Denver and it was the movie was
called best of Show, Best in Show.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
It was like a dog. They had Ai and Mellow right,
they he probably felt like they were the best team.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I mean, and they also were like the two flashiest dudes.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Man, Yeah, it was. It was. That was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
When you first get into the league, who's the first
guy you defend? That really makes you realize like, ah fuck, I'm.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Here, Ah man, who was the first dude that I
have to guard that you were just like obviously Kobe,
Kobe was probably the first dude that I was like,
oh man, this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, what about the hardest guy you had to defend?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
That?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Or a guy who you just had just so many
battles with over the years where you were just like
you had to make sure you got up for him.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Like the toughest player for me to guard was probably Mellow.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah. Mellow was just extremely extremely physic cool and relentless physical.
So like he'll foil you too.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, he just fouls you on the at the free
throw line, you know what I mean. He was pushing,
he's grabbing, he's elbow and he's doing all the physical
things like to just wear you down over the course
of a game. And he's he's going to shoot the
ball as many times as you know, he.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Feels like you got it, you got it. There's a
lot of jumping.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
So it's it's like somebody that like locked in and
that that physical is it wears on you.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I can imagine when you guys end up on the
expendables Lakers and you're playing with a guy who you
guys beat in the finals, like Dwight. Dwight's on that team, right,
oh yeah yeah, and then you got Mellows on the team.
What is is the locker room?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Like?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Is I feel like that locker room, had everyone been
getting along, which I don't know if they were or not,
should have been like the coolest like old head NBA
shooting the ship combos of all time.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah. Now, I mean we've all been playing, we're all
in the former MVP.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
We're all in the same like generation, so we've been
playing against each other since high school, all of us.
So it was like a real cool like locker room.
It's just we couldn't. Everybody was kind of older past
their primes. And sometimes when you have like a lot
of players like that, there are small parts about the
(31:23):
game that you know people or fans don't really know
about that the players just can't do or they won't
do because they never had to do it. Yeah, and
you need players that are chasing fifty to fifty balls
diving on the floor. You need players that gonna get
deflections and stuff like that make the game muddy sometimes
because those are the parts of the game.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
That's crazy. All right, So let's take Kobe out of
the conversation. You played with Lebron, Damian Lillard, Jimmy Butler,
James Harden, Devin Booker CP. Who's the craziest killer you
ever play with? Who just had.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
That that dog in him?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
That was just he If it's at the end of
the game, I feel good when he has the ball.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Kobe aside, So they're different. Chris's Floyd General Dame is
probably the one that's probably gonna like at the end
of the game if he got the rock, everybody is
going to be like, oh shit, like he's gonna do
something crazy, and he could. His range is just so far.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I mean, I think about that shot against the the Thunder.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
We send a lot of people on packing. Yeah, Dame
is probably the one that that out of the guys
that you named that has like he he'll he'll send
you home.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, that's crazy.
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Speaker 2 (34:15):
Baby. Let's get back to the podcast for.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You man to watch. Turks kind of turn into like
the Rappers playground. Yeah, Drake be out there. Everybody goes
to Turks, now, is it right? Do you? I mean
it's probably good for the local.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Economy, right, it's great for the time.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Great, Like it feels like it's grown a lot, Like
what are your thoughts on? Just like kind of Turks
turning into kind of like the new to Loom if
you everyone's going.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
There, like, uh, well that's in this social media era, right.
Turks has always been a place that has been extremely I.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Feel like it was always a family place.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
It's always been expensive. Yes, so it's never been a
place where you know, you go scrape up a couple
of a couple of you know, go have a great time.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
It's it's it's very very like as far as that's concerned,
like the vacation or the tourism part, is has always
been a destination.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
It's just that the.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Our hip hop culture didn't really know until you know,
people start rapping about it, like yeah, but it definitely
boosts the economy. Everybody want to want to go there
now and vacationary see how beautiful it is. But the
thing that is the most important to me is that
(35:38):
people understand about the people, right are there not just
the beauty.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Of not just the resorts clubs? And how is are
you like a solid golfer?
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Is this Am I a solid golfer? I'm a getting
better golfer. I'm a competitive golfer, meaning like I can compete.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
If you had to, Like, like, is there an NBA
play player that just brings the a game on the
course that you're like this guy's sick, Like he's too good?
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Like so Jr. Is really good? Yeah, I've seen that
Boydrel is real good. Chris is real good from I've
never got to be on a course with or seen
him play, but I hear Steph is really good.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I heard it's like Lebron's like dialed in on golf.
At of it, it seemed like, yep, can you I
feel like you played with James? I think James is
you know, however, way you cut at the top five
shooting guard of all time. Yeah, probably higher. But he
has this reputation of not being able to get over
(36:43):
the umph or disappearing in the.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Big games or whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
What do you think is the biggest misconception about James
Harden as somebody who was in those wars with him
and was a part of some of those teams that
maybe kind of fell short.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
I think that the probably the misconception. Again, I don't
I don't really know what people think. I can only assume.
So my assumption would be that he's he doesn't care
as much as he does, right, That would be something
that I probably would think that people wouldn't wouldn't think
he did.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, because he works his ass off.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
He works hard, you know, he he works on this
game all the time.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I mean he I mean, how do you feel about
how he plays? He did change the game. They had
to change rules.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
For him, for sure. He definitely changed the game the
way it's viewed. The way it's played. He gave different
a different style, which gave a whole bunch of other
people opportunity to create what they have. I feel like,
if we don't get James, you don't get Luca, you
know what I mean. So it's like you gotta kind
(37:53):
of like like applaud pioneers when they're doing things that
they're doing.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
That step back bro the double steps when you had
to defend that in practice, did you ever tell me traveled.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
In practice? I was liking it.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I was like, his up, that's crazy, all right? So listen,
you have the event coming up next well, by the
time this drops, it'll be this coming week. Do you
have anything else? Because obviously, man, I want to ask
you because you have very successful as a father. I
(38:27):
have a kid who's doing AAU he's twelve. What is
the key to kind of dialing in that world and
being a basketball dad at a high level?
Speaker 3 (38:37):
So I got another son who just finished up eighth
grade going into high.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
School and he's playing.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, he's pretty good too.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
The thing that I believe helps kids, and from my
perspective and only mine, is when they listen, when they
are able to take instructive criticism positively and they understand
what it means. And when you just have kids that
(39:07):
just love to love to work.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
I feel like the three pointer has kind of like
some You'll see a lot of these kids, bro and
they stick their tray young or mellow, and they'll they'll
be just launching like those.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Are fans of the game instead of people that actually
know the game. So if if if you have kids
that's just out here like just shooting truck, those are
people that are being taught by fans. I think that
makes my personal opinion, that makes sense instead of people
that's teaching the thing that you should be teaching the
(39:44):
kids from. Again, just my humble opinion is how to communicate.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
On the court.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
On the court, rebounding right, and just being able just
to play hard every single time you're.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
On the court, both sides of the ball, on both sides.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Learn how to affect the game and more ways, those.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Are the most important things to the game to me.
I mean, scoring is obviously important, of course, but like.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
You want to, you want to, you want your coach,
you feel good about you being out there, if your shots,
if you're doing everything else.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Right, if you're not gonna I if because again, like
if you're shooting from far out, your percentages go down.
So the closer you get to the basket, the higher
your percentage is. Right, So running for layups is important,
but that takes effort for sure, Right, Getting deflections or
getting stills on defense, those are fast breakpoints, Yep, those
(40:36):
are important to the to winning. So if you're not
really being taught those things. Right, and we fall in
love with watching Trey or Steph who is unbelievable, they
unbelievable shooters, you're gonna like, you know, you're missing all
the stuff that got him to the point that he
got to because Steph leads the league and most threes made, right,
(41:00):
but he also scores a lot of layups, which nobody
pays attention to.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
This is a fellon.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
You played against a lot of the guys in the
league right now. Who do you think is the most
underrated player in the NBA right now?
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Man, Damn, I gotta think about that.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Just don't get enough flowers, or maybe don't don't get
mentioned as much.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Who plays in the league right now that doesn't get
enough attention? Uh, well, I'm gonna go with somebody that
plays like me McDaniels.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
For McDaniels, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, I love him. I love his game.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
I thought if Lebron wanted to a ring that was
the most Minnesota. I just thought, because he's got them,
he's got him and go bear to you got that
back line on defense man?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yeah, there they are scary.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
And now that they have a point guard, like a really,
really really good point guard, I think that it allows.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
It's an open everything for Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
It's kind of like when CP got to Houston, when
he got the Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
I mean that's what I mean. When he got the Phoenix.
You know, now we're to play point guard.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
It'll allow for him to to be more of a
score because he's you can't really stop him getting to
the can.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Do you feel like the Celtics fucked up trading Jalen Brown?
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Do I feel like the Celtics fucked up trading Jalen Brown.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
One of the more unexpected wild exchanges of players in
a while. I think since we had the Luca trade, you.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Know, I feel like every organization have the right to
do what they want to do. You just have to
give like better reasons for that, because when you're dealing
with like like fan base and like public perception. What
is the reason you trade him for because he has
an opinion or whatever the case may be, for what
(42:53):
the media says, like, who.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Cares someone's given you one hundred thousand dollars. You have
to be at it. Who's coming out of the east,
who's coming out.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Of the west. Somebody give me one hundred thousand.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
No, you can't keep it. You have to bet it.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
You gotta bet it. So just like burnt money, right, yes.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Listen, you gott who's coming out the east? Who's coming
out the west this year? As the cards have fallen
so far?
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Okay, let me see tell me what the cars look like.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
I mean, right now we know obviously the thunder of
the thunder, the spurs of the spurs. Luca's got the
Great Whites, Celtics looking like the Celtics in the eighties,
and l.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Minister Minnesota probably like third right now to me, Oklahoma
and San Antonio.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
That's that's the hierarchy of the West, and.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Philly is lig New York is still going to be
that and Miami is you mean when you got Bam
and then you got fucking the Greek freak. Yeah, it's
hard to like, it's hard to like overlook it.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
It's gonna be a hard the pain is gonna be
hard to score.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
It will be probably it will be hard to score.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
But I feel like even on offense too, because you
know Bam is starting.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
To you know, expand his range here.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
And fucking Gianness is all downhill for real, Like he
stays at the free throw line. So but again, Miami's
coaching staff and their system, they're so good at what
they do.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
You always hear everyone says Spo is like when it
comes to this ship, for real, he might be the
best coach like of the last you know, however many
years you played with him for a season.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Right, Their whole, their whole organization from top to bottom,
is like that. So like everybody is on the same page.
It's nobody off off. Like if you step out of that,
you are the sore thumb and you stick out and
you probably won't last.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Fall in line with the heat coaching.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
It's not even the falling line, it's that you want
to be a part of that line because it's so
it's beautiful. You know, it's a great thing if you
if you're disciplined and you love the game, and you
love with what you know they're about.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
It works.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
And they're so good at drafting from like fifteen to
like thirty one. That's the only time they can pick players.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
That's how good they their scouts the end. Yeah, that's
how good they are.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Well listen, Trevor, I appreciate you pulling up man. Make
sure you guys, you is there is there a way
to support this event without necessarily pulling up.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Yeah for sure, just going to my page whatever and
going to buy you and look. But I you know
again the people. I got to thank some people, yeah know,
Loui Beach House Windward in South Bank for contributed in
helping us put this event on and and supporting us
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the way that they have been. Without them, you know,
we wouldn't be able to to be here talking about this.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
You got Booker pulling up the golf but yeah, the
books coming, Yeah, pulling up a secp's coming. You gotta
tell book Man, tell them to trade Jalen Green so
we can fucking make him a shooting guard again. For
fuck's sake, we need a point guard. For love of Christ.
What's what's the owner's name? This guy's playing, he's playing
NBA two K Matt Matt Ishbia.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Oh't know. I'm just I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
I'm an NBA fanos breaking into the interview here. But listen, man,
I appreciate you pulling up. Go support Trevor. You're a legend.
Do a podcast, man.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Do a podcast.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
You should do a podcast. You gotta do a podcast
with like another og, like from the Lakers, maybe that
Laker team.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
If I do a podcast, it's gonna be with Banger
DJ Banger.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Okay, I mean, why not. That's my guy. There it is.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
I mean, I mean or you and Chris, I mean
Chris do a podcast. He's coaching.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Yeah, Chris has done so much for the game, and
he's one of those guys who always looking the way
to share information.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
So there it is. Man, Well, listen, I appreciate you
pulling up Trevor. Reason my gosh, love Yes, sir, fire.
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behind you.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Okay, but books in the building, I have to ask
you about this.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Just to kick the interview off, you will have a
random cup of tea in Phoenix for a year.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And this was the year we drafted DeAndre Aiden's.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
A couple of months.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, it was quick because I think did you end
up in the Kings after that?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, it's I've been in a lot of places, so
I think I did end up in Sack after that, So.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
This was like, uh No, I didn't. I was in
DC after that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
This was like a weird year because the Sons drafted
DeAndre Aiden passed on Lukadankic despite having Igor as the coach.
Igor didn't last very long. But you come in to
kind of be the veteran hypothetically like all these young brothers.
I think Josh Jackson's on the team. Was there any
(01:07):
like blowback in the building or how do people feel
about them picking Da over Luca, considering they had Luca's
national coach as the coach of the Sons.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
When I was there, I didn't really I didn't really
hear none of that, you know, because I wasn't there
before they drafted, you know, so after they drafted, they
I believe they just I don't even know. Honestly, I
can't tell you about if there was blowback or anything,
but ship if Luca would have been there, I probably
(01:37):
would have been there. So you know, you know, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
How was How was?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Because that's kind of like the beginning of like Alpha book.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, because I felt.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Like the bubble year comes and then you know, we
go undefeated, Like what was your just limited time around
Booker as a teammate.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
I watched book work his ass off. I watched him,
you know, continue to try to find ways to be
as good as he can. I saw him out work everybody,
and you know, he just that want to take his
take the next step in his career at that time
was very very like he was pressing for that, like
he wanted that and not pressing in a bad way,
(02:15):
but he wanted every moment. He wanted to be in
every moment where it all fell on his shoulders.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, no, that's dope. Man.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Now you got this event happening back home. Yeah, Turks
July thirty first, that's next weekend. This is dope, man.
I didn't even know you were from Turks.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
A lot of people don't know that. I don't really
talk that much, so you know, a lot of people
wouldn't know that unless they knew me.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, so you were the first guy to like, I know,
your dad was like a really popping basketball player there, right,
but like you're the first guy to make it to
like one of the major leagues.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
First, and so far the only one, right, So we're
trying to change that narrative.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Well, I always wonder when you're coming up in a
place like that, like you were talking about the ads
from the Bahamas, I would like, like there's probably the
uphill battle to get into just the world of like
professional basketball has to be so much greater because you're
so you're far away, like like what was that journey like?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So for me, Well, I was born in Miami.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
You know, both of my parents, my whole family's from
Turks and Keekos, but usually around I guess my time
even now a lot of a lot of the parents
try to have their kids be born in the States
or the UK.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Just more opportunities and and you know, a bigger world
for lack of better words, and more opportunities to be
able to to go into whatever field that there is
out there for you.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That's dope, man.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
What is the breakdown this weekend though, Like, yeah, I'm
obviously gonna be a lot of a lot of your
homies go.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, yeah, So this weekend, it's going to be a
lot of athletes. They're golfing with me for that for
that initiative. They like to golf a lot of them.
But we're doing like different activations. We're trying to combine
the community with a lot of the local business leaders
(04:16):
and also do activations in sports and basketball. That's something
that got me. The platform that I do, got got
me the notoriety that I do have. And I always
just thought that if I was able to be able
to make it to where I made it to, there
has to be more people from where I'm from that
could do the same thing or even take it further.
(04:38):
So you know, being able to come back and show
them just things that I learned over my way over
my journey.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Is more than important.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Is it also like important to try to get the
resources out there for up and coming athletes have a pipeline.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I feel like the AAU world makes.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
It like.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
It's expensive.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I know your son is he goes to Orgon.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Right, Yeah. I have a son that goes to Oregon here.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, but you know, I got a son who does
AAU tournaments. We just went to Vegas for a tournament
and that shit, Like I was like, bro, we spent
like three thousands.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Yeah, and that's just one tournament. That's for the whole summer.
You could be spending twenty twenty five thousand.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
So for kids that don't have that ability or is
not can afford that, where do they go?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
What do they do?
Speaker 3 (05:28):
And being from a small island like Turce and Kekos
where the resources are limited in that way given trying
to find ways to bring more resources and give them
the opportunity the same way as we had here or
the same way that I was afforded. I feel like
that's a duty of mine.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I want to talk to you. I am the biggest
Warriors hater and in the twenty eighteen season, or the playoffs.
I finally thought they were done. I was like, Chris
Paul gets injured. You as the Rockets are having this crazy,
just crazy run, CP goes down obviously heartbreaking, man. I
(06:10):
think if he would have gotten injured, things probably would
have gone different.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
When you agree with that absolutely.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You go zero for nine from the three, Yeah, I
think you guys missed thirty seven three pointers in Game seven.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
That shit is crazy.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
It was what I was sitting in a pool in Scottsdale, Arizona,
and I was just like, what is if y'all would
have made five more than formal s man?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
To be honest with you, that shit was like. So
they have like this like.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Sometimes when you train in when you shoot, they have
like this thing that you put on the rim that
makes the rim a little bit smaller. So in order
for the ball for you to make the shot, it
got to be it gotta be perfect. I feel like
one of those Liz was on that on the second
half of the game.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah. And you know what's so crazy is I feel
like Darryl Moury and Mike D'Antoni were right, like they
built the team. Like Darryl Morriy always said he was
like building the team to beat the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
It's just the Yeah, we had opportunities to beat them,
but again, you know the basketball guys, wasn't they wasn't
they wasn't feeling us at that point in time. It
was something that we must have did wrong in the
beginning of the season to prepare for that.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
So when you.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Look back at him, because obviously you've had some incredible
teams you've been a part of, obviously two thousand and
nine one in the ship with the Lakers, But do
you feel like that Rockets team was the best team
you were on.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Man, it's probably one of the best teams, like, but
statistically probably the best team.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Because you had hard and MVP season right yeah, yeah,
CP cooking yeah, and just.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Just shooters Pat Wait, Pat wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
We had the PJ Tucker center year.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Tuck was there Loop yep, myself. Those are three pieces
that you could just you could just move around. Then
you had Clint back there, young Clint Capella, who could guard,
you know, a live threat protect the rim. Then you
had nine coming in. He switched who switched it up,
switched up styles when he came in a game, very
(08:17):
aggressive on defense, very smart, able to you know, uh
kind of quarterback the defense. And then we had Jeff Bisdelick,
what a lot of people don't really know who was
one of the defensive coaches. Who was he coached with
with what's his name George Carl for a long time, right,
(08:37):
and he just was brilliant and he brought in, you know,
our schemes with with our personnel and the combination of
what we had him and coach D'Antoni for the offense,
it was like we had all the tools necessary to
win a championship. We just again fucked around and went cole.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Did you because it always felt like there was a
real disdain between the Rockets and Warriors for like two
or three seasons. Did you guys really feel some type
of way about the Warriors?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I feel like you would feel the way if somebody
kicked your ass every day, right, you know. And we
were a team that we are confident, We had a
good time. We we cared for each other, and we
covered for each other on the court, and you know,
we weren't a bad team as well, so we felt
like we could beat them. But yeah, you're gonna feel
(09:28):
a way about a team that constantly finds ways to
get over, you know, beating you.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
It's just like playing a video game.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I mean, that's what they did. When they got ad
it was like and then there was the year they
got DeMarcus, which I think they lost that year.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Actually, no, they didn't have them, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I think it was the year after when they lost
the when they lost the Rappers. Yeah, yeah, the five
All Stars.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And we only had what too.
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there something, because like I feel like CP gets Depending
on who you ask, he is a very He's a
polarizing guy in the league. Like some people who play
with him, they like they have negative things. But then
there's other people who play with him that are like, yo,
he was, but it always felt like when he was
with the Suns on our championship run. Yeah, that in
the final two or three minutes of the game, there
(11:47):
was a calmness because he had the ball.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
I mean you for his game and what he's done.
I mean, when is the last time that Phoenix went
to out.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
The play well, yeah, before that it was two thousand
and yeah, I think it was twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
And then he gets there and they go to the
finals when it's the last time they've been to the
finals probably only once too, right, ninety three or.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Something free with the Bulls against the Bulls.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, So if one player can come in and change
your organization and help get to those in those moments,
I mean, can you argue with.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, Like, how can you argue with that?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I always told people, like the Thunder year, when you
went to the Thunder and it was supposed to be
a throwaway year and he got him like the four
or five seed.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
And look and look what that turned into. That get
a cornerstone franchise superstar player to shape them. Same thing
that I feel like happened with Book, but got around him,
learned the ways that he was able to teach and
book was able to be the player that he needed
to be as far as that that killer to go
(12:55):
out there and score and play his game, you know,
the way that he needs to be for that franchise
to be as good as they were at that time.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You know, he changes a lot of careers.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
You have played for some of the greatest coaches of
all time. I always wonder you get traded midway well,
the next season, your second year in the league, you
get traded, did you how how much did you actually
get to be around Larry Brown?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I was around Larry Brown from when he started in
the Knicks for the Knicks until I was out of there.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Because when did you get traded?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Was it mid February?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
So February so it was kind of midway through the
season break. Yeah, so round the trade deadline was Because
I always wonder the contrast of like a guy like
Phil Jackson who always is like woos and then you
got Larry Brown, who's like just angry, but they're both incredible,
like both all time great coaches.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
In the In the moment, PJ is like he knows
how to I believe he does a really good job
of managing personalities because there's a system that's already in place.
The only thing you gotta do is continue to learn
the system and work so being able to manage like
(14:13):
big egos and superstar players and make them mesh well
with role players or players that don't play that much.
To get to get the most out of everybody, I
feel like you got to be a great like manipulator
of man how to.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Deal with people's egos. And he obviously dealt with all
kinds of big threes and Rodman and let Rodman go
to Vegas for a night.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You gotta know your you gotta know what how you're
gonna get the best out of your players. And if
that's what it takes, then that's what it takes. At
the end of the day, it's about the results, right,
no matter how you get there, it's just a results.
And I feel like Coach Brown. Coach Brown was like
he's going to every day, He's going to pound on
what you need to do or how we need to
(14:55):
get it done. And you don't realize how good of
a of a mote evader he is until you go
somewhere else. You know, you don't even understand how important
he is until you're you're now in his position or
you're trying to teach other younger players. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Damn that's what the was talking about, because.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
That had that had to be a wild locker room.
It was like Steph Marbury, Steady Curry like, Yeah, it
was like it was like a lot of it was.
That was one of those Nix seasons that I'm sure
Knicks fans would like to forget about. So tell me. Okay,
so you end up you're with the Magic and stan
Van Gundy and then you get traded to the Lakers
(15:38):
and then you help the Lakers beat the Magic in
the finals.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
That was a good moment for me personally.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I can imagine you have a chip on your shoulder.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I've always had a chip on my shoulder though, right
from the beginning of my career. I've always had like
these people just don't understand like what I can do, right,
So being able to play the team that didn't believe that, Yeah,
and maybe even they maybe it wasn't the fact that
they didn't believe that I could help their team, it's
(16:10):
just the fact that maybe the players that were that
were there at the time just fit what he liked
better than what I could do at that point in time.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I mean, you end up having these two clutch steals
in the game, and like being such an integral part
of that team. You were damn near like the Scottie
Pippen of that team, like if you will, like it
was a bit it was it was like I feel
like that was like you're coming out party too right now?
Like now that turned you into like a household name.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Well, I mean playing for the Lakers, you're pretty you know,
and getting You're on a big stage. So if you
if you play well and you know you you play
hard and you receive you're received well around the world
because the Lakers is such a high profile organization.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I saw you say that Kobe's won a Lebron's one
b all time.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Is that is that when you don't count Jordan's okay, when.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
You don't count Jordan, so you think Jordan, we're putting
Jordan number one.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, Jordan is not even he don't count.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
He doesn't count.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
He's like, Jordan doesn't count.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, what is the okay? Because Lebron's going to he
just went to Philly, right, which I don't think a
lot of people expected, But what would Lebron have to
do because he is on this unprecedented stretch of I
think it's year twenty two now.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Twenty four, which is fucking that is nuts. That's cool, though,
I want to see him get to twenty five. No,
nobody ain't gonna never Cach.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I'm just curious, like for you, as somebody who went
up against him and somebody who played with Kobe, what
more does he have to do for people to be like, Nah,
he's the goat.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
I just I think everybody has their own like personal
preference on what they like. It ain't about who's who
because they all are different. The most comparable players, I
guess would be Kobe, Kobe and Jordan because their.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Game was similar.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, yeah, but bron game is completely different things their games.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
We haven't really seen anybody at that level of greatness
be able to do so much at such a high level.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah, he does a lot of different things, and he
does all the small things too that maybe your eighth
or nine man would do, and he still makes the
spectacular plays that your superstar would do.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
So what are your thoughts on him choosing Philly and
how do you think that's gonna pan.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Out, Well, I got like I have interest like different
type of views. For a number of reasons. I think
their team is going to be really good because again
Bron is still Lebron James. He does a lot of
different things, just had a great season, and he doesn't
have to be like your main Yeah, he doesn't score,
(18:56):
he don't got to be your main anything with the
guys you got, But the way he drives the game
and like the business parts of it, I feel.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Like he was cheated a little bit.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Why and because he's a huge draw to the game,
Like how much money do you feel like he's created
for the game for the.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
NBA billions and billions and billions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
And probably still going to create billions.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
And it's always said the right things. It's always went
on whatever trips they want them on.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I don't know about all that, Like I'm just saying,
like from the outside, look.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Right, but yeah, he's he's Yeah. Shout out to our
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So why do you feel like Lebron was cheated with this?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Okay, So there's there's two parts to this, right. There's
the player, the competitor, and then there's the business man. Right,
So as players like emotionally we be like into the game,
into the players that you play with. But then like
there's a business side to it right and understanding, like
(20:47):
worse than what you are and what you bring. There's
a value on that, right, regardless of how old you are,
how long you've been doing something, there's a value for that.
Yeah too, you know from me just personally, him planning
for whatever for me they publicized. I'm not sure if
(21:10):
that's the right one.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
So so you think, because you know you, I think
he said he was going to sacrifice a payday.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
For he fucking did. That's huge.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, that's crazy. You get him on essentially a minimum.
It's not quite the minimum, but it's it's right there. Yeah,
it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
But again, and then then you look at the Lakers
and you're like, what what happened there? Where he could
like he because if he had tooken a pay cut
with the Lakers, they probably could have still had the Kessler.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Bro Like, nah, it wasn't it was. It probably was
time for him to to move on.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, you could kind of tell they're like just full
Luka mode. Whatever you want, man, they would have got
a center.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, it was just probably time
for him to move on. It just it's kind of
crazy to see like someone like that playing or taking
a business, like the business part of it kind of
feiling like that. And I'm not even saying that it's
a fail, but it's just it just don't add up
(22:10):
for what he is and what he does.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, and then the other thing that sucks is we're
in this second apron like salary cap era where like
players really like a guy like Lou Dort gets traded
for four second round picks and he was on first NBA.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Defense last year.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, it's like what is but they can't afford to
keep everybody?
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I know, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Do you feel like the new salary cap rules are
squeezing out vets?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I've been doing it for a long time.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Because a guy like Russell Westbrook is still not on
a team. And it happened last year too.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
That's my point, Like wait.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
A minute, yeah, like what he's done for the league,
nobody has done production wise too. Nobody has done that,
Like he.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Was looking nice on the Kings last year.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Like nobody is doing what he's doing, and like the
narrative that's being put and he's not even a bad dude,
you know what I mean. He's always giving back, he's
always helping his teammates. He's always trying to find ways
to make his teammates better, regardless of you know, things
that people highlight about what may be a deficiency, but
(23:14):
still every player has a deficiency. Look at his production,
look at what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
What do you think Because you were on the Russell
Westbrook Laker team.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
That was your final year, yep, that was my last year?
Speaker 1 (23:27):
What went wrong there?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I mean everything went wrong. Everybody's old at ship on
the team. It was it's just putting together a bunch
of players that you know, were really really good at
a point in time when you.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Got hell coming off the bench. It was just like
a in theory. It felt like it was supposed to
be like an expandable What was what's the name of
that movie with like Sylvester Stallone and yeah, expandables.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Just looked miserable though. I was like, oh man, this
is just just not working. It was like a basketball
fit thing.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Everybody play inside the paint, So when there's no space
inside the paint, how do you You can't really, you
can't tell Russ who is the point guard, to go
stand in the corner and expect them to shoot forty percent.
He don't got no rhythm to the game.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
He's crazy too, because they got Malik Monk that you're
on the on the minimum and then after that Malik
left him went crazy.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Malik's a really good player.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
He's really good. Yeah, what if you had to tell
me what what? Because you like we talked about the coaches.
Thing you've played for Mike d'An TONI, you've played for
Spoe for a second.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Yeah, I love Spo Phil.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
What is your I'm sure for different reasons, but but
but which coach was your favorite? Not necessarily your best
coach that you ever had, but your favorite.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I got two favorites.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Rick Adaman was one, Okay, he was really good my
first time in Houston, yep. And my second favorite is Money.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Williams money Man.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah, Money is really good, a great person, a great guy.
And his exit. I don't think there's anybody, even the
best coaches who x'es and O's was as like on
point as his.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, the Money thing is like worked in Phoenix until
it didn't. You you you guys had you were there,
like what with the Pelicans?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yea, the Hornets.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
So it was his first year we went the three,
we went to the playoffs second round, first or second round.
We played the Lakers. Jared Jack Jared Jack was on
that team, No p J.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Brown.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
So the second year, the team is in the middle
of getting so so the CP ends up leaving.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Are you there? When the trade gets vetoed.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
D West ends up leaving and then the league owns
the team. So we got like I guess they call
him two way players now, but back then it was
like G League. So we had like like seven G
League players on our team, and the team was trying
to figure out how to like what to do? So
(26:08):
what I so then I started looking at it from
a business perspective, all right, we want to have a
low salary cap, right, possibly see if what we can
do to get like, you know, a really hot pick,
which they ended up getting a number one pick, being
Anthony Davies, right, and then like you know, whoever purchases
(26:33):
the team, they have this great asset with this young.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Cornerstone number one pick.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah yeah, yeah, so they got pieces to trade and
you got the number one pick and who was Anthony Davis?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
What is it like being on a team that's tanking?
It is because you've been on some taking ass teams like.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
As a competitor, and at that point in my career,
it's like miserable because I've won pretty much like all
the places that I've been from high school to you know,
all the way.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
So you know when you are.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
When you like to compete, when you like to to
win more than you like when you hate losing more
than you like to win. You know, that's being on
a team that's tanking is like miserable.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
What do you think the record wise? Do you remember
the worst team you played on in the NBA, like
the worst like where it was just like.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Jesus, that had to probably be it the Hornets. Yeah, yeah,
I think that probably was it.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Talk to me, man, because when we think about you've
talked about Kobe a lot in a lot of podcasts,
But I want to know, what is a random Phil
Jackson story you could share.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Phil Jackson he used to say some off the wall
things like crazy stuff like he used to just tell
us about places that he was from and some of
the things that they would say or do where he's from.
And it was just like it's not really you can't
really talk about that, not enough bad way.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
It's just some crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Shit, he's off the wall, dude. Is the like what
do you make y'all do yoga?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And shit?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Is that like a real thing?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Where I think when when I played for the Lakers,
we used to do a lot of meditating before you
watch film. So and in the playoffs, they were there
were themes to each series and like each series was
its shaped differently, right, So they used to pick out
movies that was similar to the opponent.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, So like Phil would be like, hey, everyone watched
this movie.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
No.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
In our film sessions, he would put clips of different
parts of the movie, like so it'll be like a
ten minute clip to get you locked in right to
the movie. And then he'll just will go into like
a quarter of what we need to work on and
then he'll, you know, move on.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
And what was the movie he was using against the
Magic Like, what was the do you remember.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
The I don't remember.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
But the movie that I do remember is when we
were playing against Denver and it was the movie was
called best of Show, Best in Show.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
It was like a dog. They had Ai and Mellow right,
they he probably felt like they were the best team.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I mean, and they also were like the two flashiest dudes.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Man, Yeah, it was. It was. That was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
When you first get into the league, who's the first
guy you defend? That really makes you realize like, ah fuck, I'm.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Here, Ah man, who was the first dude that I
have to guard that you were just like obviously Kobe,
Kobe was probably the first dude that I was like,
oh man, this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, what about the hardest guy you had to defend?
Speaker 3 (29:41):
That?
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Or a guy who you just had just so many
battles with over the years where you were just like
you had to make sure you got up for him.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Like the toughest player for me to guard was probably Mellow.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah. Mellow was just extremely extremely physic cool and relentless physical.
So like he'll foil you too.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Yeah, he just fouls you on the at the free
throw line, you know what I mean. He was pushing,
he's grabbing, he's elbow and he's doing all the physical
things like to just wear you down over the course
of a game. And he's he's going to shoot the
ball as many times as you know, he.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Feels like you got it, you got it. There's a
lot of jumping.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
So it's it's like somebody that like locked in and
that that physical is it wears on you.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I can imagine when you guys end up on the
expendables Lakers and you're playing with a guy who you
guys beat in the finals, like Dwight. Dwight's on that team, right,
oh yeah yeah, and then you got Mellows on the team.
What is is the locker room?
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Like?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Is I feel like that locker room, had everyone been
getting along, which I don't know if they were or not,
should have been like the coolest like old head NBA
shooting the ship combos of all time.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah. Now, I mean we've all been playing, we're all
in the former MVP.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
We're all in the same like generation, so we've been
playing against each other since high school, all of us.
So it was like a real cool like locker room.
It's just we couldn't. Everybody was kind of older past
their primes. And sometimes when you have like a lot
of players like that, there are small parts about the
(31:23):
game that you know people or fans don't really know
about that the players just can't do or they won't
do because they never had to do it. Yeah, and
you need players that are chasing fifty to fifty balls
diving on the floor. You need players that gonna get
deflections and stuff like that make the game muddy sometimes
because those are the parts of the game.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
That's crazy. All right, So let's take Kobe out of
the conversation. You played with Lebron, Damian Lillard, Jimmy Butler,
James Harden, Devin Booker CP. Who's the craziest killer you
ever play with? Who just had.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
That that dog in him?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
That was just he If it's at the end of
the game, I feel good when he has the ball.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Kobe aside, So they're different. Chris's Floyd General Dame is
probably the one that's probably gonna like at the end
of the game if he got the rock, everybody is
going to be like, oh shit, like he's gonna do
something crazy, and he could. His range is just so far.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I mean, I think about that shot against the the Thunder.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
We send a lot of people on packing. Yeah, Dame
is probably the one that that out of the guys
that you named that has like he he'll he'll send
you home.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, that's crazy.
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Speaker 2 (34:15):
Baby. Let's get back to the podcast for.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You man to watch. Turks kind of turn into like
the Rappers playground. Yeah, Drake be out there. Everybody goes
to Turks, now, is it right? Do you? I mean
it's probably good for the local.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Economy, right, it's great for the time.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Great, Like it feels like it's grown a lot, Like
what are your thoughts on? Just like kind of Turks
turning into kind of like the new to Loom if
you everyone's going.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
There, like, uh, well that's in this social media era, right.
Turks has always been a place that has been extremely I.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Feel like it was always a family place.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
It's always been expensive. Yes, so it's never been a
place where you know, you go scrape up a couple
of a couple of you know, go have a great time.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
It's it's it's very very like as far as that's concerned,
like the vacation or the tourism part, is has always
been a destination.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
It's just that the.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Our hip hop culture didn't really know until you know,
people start rapping about it, like yeah, but it definitely
boosts the economy. Everybody want to want to go there
now and vacationary see how beautiful it is. But the
thing that is the most important to me is that
(35:38):
people understand about the people, right are there not just
the beauty.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Of not just the resorts clubs? And how is are
you like a solid golfer?
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Is this Am I a solid golfer? I'm a getting
better golfer. I'm a competitive golfer, meaning like I can compete.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
If you had to, Like, like, is there an NBA
play player that just brings the a game on the
course that you're like this guy's sick, Like he's too good?
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Like so Jr. Is really good? Yeah, I've seen that
Boydrel is real good. Chris is real good from I've
never got to be on a course with or seen
him play, but I hear Steph is really good.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I heard it's like Lebron's like dialed in on golf.
At of it, it seemed like, yep, can you I
feel like you played with James? I think James is
you know, however, way you cut at the top five
shooting guard of all time. Yeah, probably higher. But he
has this reputation of not being able to get over
(36:43):
the umph or disappearing in the.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Big games or whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
What do you think is the biggest misconception about James
Harden as somebody who was in those wars with him
and was a part of some of those teams that
maybe kind of fell short.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
I think that the probably the misconception. Again, I don't
I don't really know what people think. I can only assume.
So my assumption would be that he's he doesn't care
as much as he does, right, That would be something
that I probably would think that people wouldn't wouldn't think
he did.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, because he works his ass off.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
He works hard, you know, he he works on this
game all the time.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I mean he I mean, how do you feel about
how he plays? He did change the game. They had
to change rules.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
For him, for sure. He definitely changed the game the
way it's viewed. The way it's played. He gave different
a different style, which gave a whole bunch of other
people opportunity to create what they have. I feel like,
if we don't get James, you don't get Luca, you
know what I mean. So it's like you gotta kind
(37:53):
of like like applaud pioneers when they're doing things that
they're doing.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
That step back bro the double steps when you had
to defend that in practice, did you ever tell me traveled.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
In practice? I was liking it.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I was like, his up, that's crazy, all right? So listen,
you have the event coming up next well, by the
time this drops, it'll be this coming week. Do you
have anything else? Because obviously, man, I want to ask
you because you have very successful as a father. I
(38:27):
have a kid who's doing AAU he's twelve. What is
the key to kind of dialing in that world and
being a basketball dad at a high level?
Speaker 3 (38:37):
So I got another son who just finished up eighth
grade going into high.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
School and he's playing.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, he's pretty good too.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
The thing that I believe helps kids, and from my
perspective and only mine, is when they listen, when they
are able to take instructive criticism positively and they understand
what it means. And when you just have kids that
(39:07):
just love to love to work.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
I feel like the three pointer has kind of like
some You'll see a lot of these kids, bro and
they stick their tray young or mellow, and they'll they'll
be just launching like those.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Are fans of the game instead of people that actually
know the game. So if if if you have kids
that's just out here like just shooting truck, those are
people that are being taught by fans. I think that
makes my personal opinion, that makes sense instead of people
that's teaching the thing that you should be teaching the
(39:44):
kids from. Again, just my humble opinion is how to communicate.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
On the court.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
On the court, rebounding right, and just being able just
to play hard every single time you're.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
On the court, both sides of the ball, on both sides.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Learn how to affect the game and more ways, those.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Are the most important things to the game to me.
I mean, scoring is obviously important, of course, but like.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
You want to, you want to, you want your coach,
you feel good about you being out there, if your shots,
if you're doing everything else.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Right, if you're not gonna I if because again, like
if you're shooting from far out, your percentages go down.
So the closer you get to the basket, the higher
your percentage is. Right, So running for layups is important,
but that takes effort for sure, Right, Getting deflections or
getting stills on defense, those are fast breakpoints, Yep, those
(40:36):
are important to the to winning. So if you're not
really being taught those things. Right, and we fall in
love with watching Trey or Steph who is unbelievable, they
unbelievable shooters, you're gonna like, you know, you're missing all
the stuff that got him to the point that he
got to because Steph leads the league and most threes made, right,
(41:00):
but he also scores a lot of layups, which nobody
pays attention to.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
This is a fellon.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
You played against a lot of the guys in the
league right now. Who do you think is the most
underrated player in the NBA right now?
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Man, Damn, I gotta think about that.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Just don't get enough flowers, or maybe don't don't get
mentioned as much.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Who plays in the league right now that doesn't get
enough attention? Uh, well, I'm gonna go with somebody that
plays like me McDaniels.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
For McDaniels, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, I love him. I love his game.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
I thought if Lebron wanted to a ring that was
the most Minnesota. I just thought, because he's got them,
he's got him and go bear to you got that
back line on defense man?
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yeah, there they are scary.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
And now that they have a point guard, like a really,
really really good point guard, I think that it allows.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
It's an open everything for Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
It's kind of like when CP got to Houston, when
he got the Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
I mean that's what I mean. When he got the Phoenix.
You know, now we're to play point guard.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
It'll allow for him to to be more of a
score because he's you can't really stop him getting to
the can.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Do you feel like the Celtics fucked up trading Jalen Brown?
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Do I feel like the Celtics fucked up trading Jalen Brown.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
One of the more unexpected wild exchanges of players in
a while. I think since we had the Luca trade, you.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
Know, I feel like every organization have the right to
do what they want to do. You just have to
give like better reasons for that, because when you're dealing
with like like fan base and like public perception. What
is the reason you trade him for because he has
an opinion or whatever the case may be, for what
(42:53):
the media says, like, who.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Cares someone's given you one hundred thousand dollars. You have
to be at it. Who's coming out of the east,
who's coming out.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Of the west. Somebody give me one hundred thousand.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
No, you can't keep it. You have to bet it.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
You gotta bet it. So just like burnt money, right, yes.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Listen, you gott who's coming out the east? Who's coming
out the west this year? As the cards have fallen
so far?
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Okay, let me see tell me what the cars look like.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
I mean, right now we know obviously the thunder of
the thunder, the spurs of the spurs. Luca's got the
Great Whites, Celtics looking like the Celtics in the eighties,
and l.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Minister Minnesota probably like third right now to me, Oklahoma
and San Antonio.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
That's that's the hierarchy of the West, and.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Philly is lig New York is still going to be
that and Miami is you mean when you got Bam
and then you got fucking the Greek freak. Yeah, it's
hard to like, it's hard to like overlook it.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
It's gonna be a hard the pain is gonna be
hard to score.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
It will be probably it will be hard to score.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
But I feel like even on offense too, because you
know Bam is starting.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
To you know, expand his range here.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
And fucking Gianness is all downhill for real, Like he
stays at the free throw line. So but again, Miami's
coaching staff and their system, they're so good at what
they do.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
You always hear everyone says Spo is like when it
comes to this ship, for real, he might be the
best coach like of the last you know, however many
years you played with him for a season.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
Right, Their whole, their whole organization from top to bottom,
is like that. So like everybody is on the same page.
It's nobody off off. Like if you step out of that,
you are the sore thumb and you stick out and
you probably won't last.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Fall in line with the heat coaching.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
It's not even the falling line, it's that you want
to be a part of that line because it's so
it's beautiful. You know, it's a great thing if you
if you're disciplined and you love the game, and you
love with what you know they're about.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
It works.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
And they're so good at drafting from like fifteen to
like thirty one. That's the only time they can pick players.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
That's how good they their scouts the end. Yeah, that's
how good they are.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Well listen, Trevor, I appreciate you pulling up man. Make
sure you guys, you is there is there a way
to support this event without necessarily pulling up.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
Yeah for sure, just going to my page whatever and
going to buy you and look. But I you know
again the people. I got to thank some people, yeah know,
Loui Beach House Windward in South Bank for contributed in
helping us put this event on and and supporting us
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the way that they have been. Without them, you know,
we wouldn't be able to to be here talking about this.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
You got Booker pulling up the golf but yeah, the
books coming, Yeah, pulling up a secp's coming. You gotta
tell book Man, tell them to trade Jalen Green so
we can fucking make him a shooting guard again. For
fuck's sake, we need a point guard. For love of Christ.
What's what's the owner's name? This guy's playing, he's playing
NBA two K Matt Matt Ishbia.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Oh't know. I'm just I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
I'm an NBA fanos breaking into the interview here. But listen, man,
I appreciate you pulling up. Go support Trevor. You're a legend.
Do a podcast, man.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Do a podcast.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
You should do a podcast. You gotta do a podcast
with like another og, like from the Lakers, maybe that
Laker team.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
If I do a podcast, it's gonna be with Banger
DJ Banger.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Okay, I mean, why not. That's my guy. There it is.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
I mean, I mean or you and Chris, I mean
Chris do a podcast. He's coaching.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Yeah, Chris has done so much for the game, and
he's one of those guys who always looking the way
to share information.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
So there it is. Man, Well, listen, I appreciate you
pulling up Trevor. Reason my gosh, love Yes, sir, fire.
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