#699 - Kenny Mason on BULLDAWG, Working With JID, Atlanta, Nu-Metal & Conspiracy Theories

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Speaker 1 (00:47):
Kenny Mason's here, ladies and gentlemen. We were talking.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
It's a crazy time in America. Idiocracy. Great movie. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
No, I was saying that all of the crazy shit
that gets dumped on us, like, The CIA and the
Pentagon will release alien footage in 5K now.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah. I think they've done it four times. They've had
these file drops.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
And no one cares.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Nobody give a fuck. We've been watching aliens. Alien rollout flop.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well, it's like they've been rolling it out since I
was alive and since my parents were alive. I watched
Independence Day.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Which, by the way, I mean... Rightfully so. I mean,
I don't know if... I don't know if... People could
handle it if... Well, I just think we desensitized to where, like,
aliens ain't really shit. Like, you know what I'm saying?
For sure. I think we all think they're already here.
The humans on Earth is way scarier. 100%. You know
what I'm saying? 100%, man.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Well, listen, we have Kenny Mason, who has not been
on the show for, I want to say it's been
three or four years.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
It's been a minute. It's been like four, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
It's been a minute, man.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
He's back.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
You got your new project, Bulldog, out.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
You're in L.A.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Are these your actual bulldogs on the album cover?

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Nah, these are... These are bulldogs borrowed from a friend.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
So you borrowed the dogs for the cover?

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yes. The main dog on the cover, her name's Sugar.
She's a sweetheart. We basically took a bunch of pictures
as still as I could get them to be because
they was rowdy. And that picture that's the cover just
was the one that came out perfect. And she was
front and center. She was low-key smiling, so. Well, as

(02:22):
a Frenchie owner, I appreciated the cover. I was like,
you know, next time if you ever need any other Bulldogs,
let me know. Oh, yeah, man. I'll pull up. I
got two of them. We'll pull up on y'all and
get some nice photos.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Explain kind of just the concept and the name and, like,
how did you land on Bulldog?

Speaker 2 (02:40):
It kind of, like, it kind of just came, like,
developed on its own. The original, I guess, concept name
for the project was Junkyard Dog.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Did you have the Junkyard Freestyle in?

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Exactly. So, you know, the scrapyard, junkyard was the setting of, like,
everything taking place narratively in the album. But I think that, like,
Bulldog was more of a, it looked better, like, as
a word, like, as a title card. For sure. You
know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, junkyard dog.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Is, like. It's too much. Yeah. It's a little too much. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
This is, like, technically one word. I mean, obviously, it's
two words, but, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah. It's smoother. It's smoother. Like, two syllables, you know
what I'm saying? So, and then, I mean, I'm from Georgia,
so it was already, like... Georgia Bulldogs. Yeah, it was
an alley-oop there, and it's very much the setting of
the album as well, but I guess the big selling
point was kind of, like, how Bulldogs was bred anyway,
which was to, like, actually kill bulls. And I just

(03:33):
thought that was, like, a fire, like, metaphor for, like,
I guess me and my place in the industry, like
a David and Goliath type.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, like, you're, like, kind of.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
the slept on dude, but you're like, you will take
down a giant. Oh God.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
By the way, let's just be clear. The bulldogs he's
talking about are not the same ones that are on
the cover. Cause French bulldogs are mutant aliens that were
bred for, for commerce.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah. Yeah. That's yeah. The OG bulldogs. Well, we got,
we got the COVID scammer money Frenchies. That's what the
fuck I got at my house. Those things are not yet. Like,
Not ethical, bro. No, no, they're not.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
But like every drug dealer I knew cleaned their shit
up during COVID and started fucking breeding Frenchies.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, that shit. I mean, being around them give me anxiety.
You know, like they'll like walk up the stairs and die.
Trust me. I live with them.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
One sleeps in my bed every night. In my fucking ear.
You have animals or no?

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I got a pit bull terrier. She doesn't live with
me because I be traveling too much. But like I
raised her up in a pandemic. Oh, dope. Yeah, so
I just, I had a roommate during the pandemic, and
she went with him, but that's technically, like, you know,
my dog. I go see her.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
You definitely, like, came out of the pandemic swinging. How
would you kind of, like, I feel like it's kind
of crazy to look back. I mean, it feels like
it was, like, nine months ago.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah. But for six years later. Yeah, but I feel
like none of this count.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy. Like, we really, like, reflect, like,
what we went through. A lot of people got depressed.
A lot of people were lonely. People weren't leaving the house.
You guys were out the fuck side in Atlanta, though.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
I'll say that. Yeah, we was tripping. Because I had
a pork chop at, is it Deja Vu? Probably. I
had a pork chop at Deja Vu in the middle
of the pandemic in Atlanta. Nah, it was regular. It
was even Motown. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it was like
people coming there. Because people would travel to Atlanta to
turn up. Like, yeah, everything, especially y'all out here, y'all
was coming, like, on here, like, Nah, they opened in Atlanta.

(05:35):
I'm going to the strip club.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
A hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
That was crazy.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
But I have to say, for you, you felt like
you kind of had your shit together coming out of
the pandemic. Did it help or hurt your creative process?
Because I saw a lot of artists really.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Hit a wall. Yeah. I mean, for sure. I think
that I definitely had to adapt a little bit to
the situation. Lucky for me, I feel like I'm the
type of artist that is comfortable recording at home So
I was still able to make music and like.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
And you can record yourself?

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
I mean, I feel like everybody needs to learn.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
I mean, that's what I did. Like my whole like
second project was recorded in a pandemic at home for
the most part. You know what I'm saying? So I
feel like it was it was easy for me, but
it was definitely like a lot of people in my
class that just like had like a really high ceiling
and then like. we got to be in the house
for fucking 10 months. Right. All of a sudden, and

(06:30):
it fucked them up. It fucked a lot of people up, man.
Even just, like, momentum-wise, you would see people like, and
you're like, yo, COVID, man, fucked up that whole thing.
Even me, like, I had to adapt to shit, but
even me, it was just like, bro, I had hella, like,
that first year I popped up, I had hella festivals
lined up that all got canceled, hella, like, walkthroughs, just
a whole bunch of shit. Like, I'd be thinking about, like,

(06:51):
maybe some of the hands I didn't shake or just, like,
shit like that.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah, a lot of people lost out on a lot
of money, like, I remember Roddy Ricch was having the
craziest 2019 going into the new year, and he had
the summer on lock, and all that shit got canceled. Like,
all of his festival dates.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah. Because he had the box. It was the number
one song in the fucking world. Biggest rap song. Biggest
rap song in the fucking world, and had a crazy
festival run to go along with it, and then... I mean, yeah,
he still did his thing.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
No, for sure.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
But, like, yeah, who knows, like... 100%. Shit. You know
what I'm saying? Everything might have looked different had it
not happened. But, I mean, I'm the type of person, like,
I ain't going to make no excuses. I'm going to
go out there and figure this shit out. You know
what I'm saying? And I feel like that's why I'm
still here.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
About your synergy with JID, obviously, you know, you guys
are both out of the A, but I feel like
anytime you guys work together, it's always amazing.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Just talk about that chemistry and, like, that friendship and
how did it start and, like, why do you guys
think you sound so good together when it comes to
making music? It feels so effortless.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
I feel like Atlanta just speak a certain language, you know?
I feel like if you from the city, like really
from the city and you know, you grew up seeing
some of the things we saw and like growing up,
how we grew up, like forced to be an adult,
probably like a young age type shit. And you know
what I'm saying? Like young black. I mean, we all

(08:12):
kind of got put into the same like little archetype
is you, you did going to play sports or rap,
you know what I'm saying? And I think that like, uh,
me and Jed are similar in a sense of like
a certain level of awareness. Right. of that situation while still, like,
relating to, you know, the people and things going on
around us and having the kind of bravery to, I guess,

(08:37):
be more lyric forward or, like, you know what I'm saying,
conceptually writing in a city that's kind of, like, against that, like,
very much, oh, freestyle punching, like, we kind of, like,
invented that type of shit.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, no, I feel like the A definitely invented the punching.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, so, like, we, like, kind of, like, the in
a sense, maybe the antithesis to that, but we still
very much Atlanta is fucked. And I feel like he
understand that, like, oh, just because I'm, like, lyrical don't
mean I ain't got to live this way. Right. You
know what I'm saying? And I understand that, too. So
I feel like that's where we synergize at. Do you,
when you're recording, do you write, are you, like, writing

(09:15):
your shit? It's half and half.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Or is it punching in?

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Like, what is your process? It's half and half. It depends,
it really depends on the beat and it depends on
my mood. Sometimes I punch in a record and it's like, Fun,
freestyling is like faster. Like on the Here to Stay
record where you're like pretty melodic, the interlude. That's straight freestyling.
That's like me.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Vibing, humming.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
We made the beat and I'm like humming melodies as
like the beat is being crafted. And I already got
like mumbles and stuff and I'm just mumbling until like
words come. Yeah. Whereas like a Junkyard freestyle is like
I already know what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Super intentional.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, I already know what I'm going to rap about.
I already got this like feeling and like concept. So, like, yeah. Woo!
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to me, for you, man, can you explain... Because.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
I feel like.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
You play with a lot of sonics, obviously different genres,
but even just, like, I feel like the way you
play with your voice or some of the, like, mixing
and mastering or some of the filters or some of
the EQ, like, how hands-on are you with the engineer
when it comes to, like, yo, see what it sounds
like if you do it like this?

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, it might.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Because there should be, sometimes, it's, like, a lot.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
My engineer is my best friend, bro. They, like, engineers,
I just want to say to engineers, don't get enough credit.
And they like the most kind of, sometimes the most
disrespected people in music.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
I feel like engineers and videographers.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Oh, yeah. Yo, videographers, by the way, some of the
bravest people, like, they, I mean.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Running around in the craziest areas.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
They like.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Got to get the shot.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
They like the military cameramen. You know what I'm saying? Like,
it's like the equivalent.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
You know what I'm saying? We got it, like. But
they get the most guns pointed at them.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
I always see these guys who do these hood vlogs,
and I'm always like, well, who's the bruh shooting this
shit behind the camera? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (12:21):
There's these guys.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Running around with a mic.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
You got to be on go too.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
But no, but you're right about the engineer, because I
feel like if a good engineer that you have a
relationship with should get production credit on a lot of shit,
because they're really like.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Well, I mean, okay. Yeah. Or like they help.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
You know, like if it's like, yo, I'll tell you, like,
I mean, I don't know, you say your engineer's your
best friend, but I've seen.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Well, I mean, yeah, I got... We locked into a certain,
you know, level of, like, yo, like, this is beyond
engineering sometimes, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (12:50):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Like, because, like, you, I mean, you crafting a song
in a way that is kind of production sometimes. Yeah. Or, like,
crafting my voice to do certain things. So it just depends.
It's situational, but, like, for sure, like, I mean, just
locked in as far as, like, I can establish this
sound consistently. And also, like, we can experiment with, like,

(13:11):
effects or different, like, I know for me, like, I
like to do a lot of shit. I like to
stack my vocals. I like to, like, sound like a
fucking alien sometimes. For sure. You know what I'm saying?
So I'd be willing to be locked in with my engineer.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
You've worked with, let's see, Freddie, Jid, Project Pat.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
You've had some legendary artists that you've linked with. Is
there somebody who's just, like, for whatever reason, it just
hasn't happened? Maybe it almost happened. Who do you really
want to, like, get one in with before you hang
it up? If you ever hang it up, obviously.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Uh, I, I don't know, bro. I feel like I
used to have like a, a list, but I'm really
just on some shit now. Like, I work with anybody
who want to work. You know what I'm saying? Like,
I'm a rapping ass nigga, but I'm also like a
music nigga. Like, I work with anybody who want.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Dominic Fike records hard too.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah. Super dope. Thank you. Yeah. Like, but I feel
like a lot of rappers be scared to rap with
me maybe, or that's how I feel. Like to where
it's like, I don't get, I don't get asked to
do any features, as I feel like I should. Sometimes
I'll ask for- Rob Markman Have you ever put a
guest verse on somebody's shit and it got left off?
Rob Markman Nah, it never got left off, but it

(14:24):
might not have came out, for whatever reason. Rob Markman
Sometimes that could be, the beat didn't get cleared. Rob
Markman But that's happened a lot of times. Rob Markman
He's like, yo, why is it every time I out
rap somebody I know a song? Rob Markman That's happened
more times than the song actually came out. Rob Markman
That is crazy. Rob Markman Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
I want to know your thoughts. Obviously, as an Atlanta kid,
I'm so conflicted. There's somebody who has Equimini right there,
my third favorite hip-hop album of all time. What are
your thoughts on the outcast-overcast thing? There's the lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah. It's a tough goddamn, I guess, situation for me
because I've been on overcast for a long time.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Great guy, by the way.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, no, he's talented as fuck. I mean, I feel
like his beats, his production, and also his own music
is like, super fire i feel like it's unfortunate that
they like having a disagreement for real.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Because and it's like it's whatever the parent company is
that owns that trademark so it feels like one of
those things that like if in like a year like
andre gets ran up on somewhere he might not even
have known this shit was going on you know what.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
I'm saying yeah maybe i i don't know enough about
if they if they even is like involved like directly
like you know saying it's a note to like for
really coming on but i mean i hate that because Yeah,
I hate it too. I mean, I vote Overcast as
my boy. He's dope. But also as Outkast. I'm not
going against Selena, you know what I'm saying? It's my
favorite album. I mean, my favorite group ever is Outkast.
I mean, I'm like a creative child of Outkast. I

(15:46):
have three stacks. And I feel like in some way
he may be too, you know?

Speaker 1 (15:50):
No, I mean, I think, yeah. I mean, I feel
like anybody who is dope like that has to at
least have a surface level.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Respect for Outkast. But they shouldn't be trying to take
his bread. No, that ain't.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, I mean, I could maybe understand it a little
bit more if it's like, yo, just change the name.
but change the name and all the money you've made
since you've been overcast. When he came from a collective
of guys who were named after weather shit.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Which I barely just.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
That shit just unfortunate. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Shout out to RZA for not suing SZA.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Type shit. Yeah. Like I feel like. Yeah. Yeah. Kind
of feel like.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
And shout out to Nas for not suing Lil Nas X.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Lil Nas X. Yeah. Yeah. They probably. Yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
If you had to like. Really lock in and do
like an entirely different genre for one album. Would it
be like rock, punk?

Speaker 2 (16:36):
What are you doing? Well, obviously, yeah, I would do
like an alternative, like heavy guitar leaning album for sure.
Like without a thought. But also, I feel like I
would also be interested in kind of like an R &
B maybe. Yeah. Or like swinging it, like maybe like
alternative R & B type of shit for sure.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah, we need more R & B. I just went
to Chris Brown and Usher's stadium show and it was like,
I was like, where's all this shit at right now?
This motherfucker just sold out a stadium with a bunch
of R & B records. Who's like, we need more
people making this shit right now. Obviously there are some
amazing R & B artists right now.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
I feel like I've seen like a few people, I
don't even know their name or nothing like that, but
I've seen like a few guys like try to do that,
like the 2026 version of that and just get straight
up laughed at.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yeah. My boys connected with Jermaine Dupri Division. So they
left OVO and they did a really dope late 90s,
early 2000s.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
R & B album. And one of the records did
all right. But they did it with the architect of Confessions,
Jermaine Dupri. You know what I'm saying? That's fire. And Division.
I used to listen to Division. Fire. Yeah, yeah. Shout
out to Division.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
In terms of the trippy rock shit in that world,
what are you influenced by? What is the stuff that
kind of stuck with you in that world that maybe
you were listening to?

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Definitely like A lot of grunge and, like, post-grunge stuff. So, like,
everything from, like, Nirvana and, like, Smashing Pumpkins and stuff
like that up to, like, I mean, I love, like, Deftones.
Deftones is fire. Like, I guess new metal type of stuff. Like,
they would fall into that. Just, like, heavier stuff.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
You ever get into Tool?

Speaker 2 (18:15):
I like a couple Tool songs.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Tool is, like, the nerdy. It's, like, you got to
really be into, like, trigonometry to fuck with Tool. But
they got some crazy shit. Like, they got some joints.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
The new metal shit can get.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
It goes from, like, Deftones, and then, like, the other
side of it is, like... Korn.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Korn.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
By the way, I love Korn.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, I like some Korn songs.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Freak on Alicia's.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
I like some Korn songs. But then there's, like, Limp Bizkit,
which hasn't aged the greatest. But had TRL... Yo, I
want to say... Yeah, I want to say I do
want to put some respect on Limp Bizkit's name. They
had it on lock. Because they kind of invented a
whole genre of white men. Fred Durst?

Speaker 1 (18:57):
There wasn't a Fred Durst before Fred Durst?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Was there? Am I missing something? Am I missing something?
They put him in a cryogenic chamber. Yeah. I just
feel like it was a lot of white guys with
their hat back after that.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yo, he was responsible for the red fitted hat craze.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
And then he had the like... they made an entire
new era line based on, because he had the logo.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
You see what I'm saying? Remember, there was like the
hats with just the logo in the corner, and it
was like a blank.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah. That's iconic.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
And like, Damn Near made like the rap rock, how
do you feel about it? But the rap rock thing
was like.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
No, for sure.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
It was them.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Right, yes, 100%. Yeah, and then like. Like on a
large scale, yes. On a large scale. Come on, like.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yes Like there was a group Called Faith No More
And they had one record Where the dude was spitting
on it And like Red Hot Chili Peppers Are doing
a little Rappity type shit But it's definitely Limp Bizkit
And then they had a DJ Premiere beat with fucking
Method Man.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah. Bro, I gotta, you know what I'm saying? We can't,
I'm not finna overly.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
You're about to age yourself right now.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Oh, no, I study everything, like. Young, new, like, you
know what I'm saying?

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the interview right now. I've been seeing a lot of
people say that music videos aren't as important anymore because...
the days of, like, obviously certain artists are always going

(22:06):
to spend a bag on videos, but, like, the days of, like, you, like, spending, like,
as a newer artist or up-and-coming artist, like, $ 30, 000 or
$ 40, 000 on a video just doesn't make sense because the
ROI isn't there. Like, for you, are you– how, like,
important is it for you to make sure you're visually,
I guess, representing the art?

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, I mean, I do think it's important to– create
the I mean it's an extension of the world you
build in as an.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Artist 100% and I always say it's like a commercial
for your brand.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
For sure like I think it's important I think it
like to the people it's still important I think yeah
labels like you said they just don't feel like there's
an ROI on it so they ain't paying for most
folks we see with the five videos like they paying
for some of that shit they.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Sell 100% out of their own pocket or like who
got the.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Best videos like I'm sure like Tyler is like coming
out of pocket for a.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Lot of his shit 100% yeah Yeah, I feel like
the best artists do that, and then they'll come out
of pocket for their big festival performances.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah, a lot of them people, I mean, the bigger
artists are getting bigger because of that.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
You also got to have a great videographer who can
do a lot with a little.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, you got to treat that too, that relationship too.
I feel like you got to treat like a producer
you lock in with, just like building a visual identity. 100%.
If you had to do a joint album with anybody,
who would you do it with? That's a good one.
A few people, Jib for sure. Yeah. I think that'd
probably be the easiest one to do. Oh, y'all got

(23:34):
five joints together? Four joints?

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, but we also got like a bunch of- A
whole folder of unreleased stuff just sitting on a hard drive.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah. I actually probably shouldn't have said that. They're going
to be mad. It's fine. It's implied. You got five
songs with somebody. Yeah, facts. Yeah. Paris, Texas, my guys,
just because they like, I feel like we like Kendrick
Spears as far as like the alternative.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
They're super dope.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (23:59):
I saw them open for Tyler.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
And they were really dope.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah. And they just the homies too. So I feel like, again,
like it'd just be like a natural thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
You said that this album saved your life. How did
Bulldog save your life?

Speaker 2 (24:12):
I feel like it kind of forced me to like
accept my like artist identity. You know, like I feel
like there was like a lot of forces trying to
kind of devalue me. you know what I'm saying, like, externally, like,
you know what I'm saying, a lot of it is, like,
my own, it was my own insecurities, per se, or, like,

(24:32):
my own, like, negative thoughts about, like, who I was
and my purpose and stuff, and making this album was
kind of a, like, a affirmation, a big affirmation of, like,
why I still do what I do, you know what
I'm saying, because, you know, it's like, comparison is a
thief of joy and all of that stuff, and I
feel like a lot of artists feel that way, too, of, like,

(24:55):
the world is kind of trying to devalue you. Everything
is about numbers. Everything is about optics. Everything is about, like,
comparing yourself to this person who's got this whole type
of setup that you don't even fucking realize, you know
what I'm saying? So I feel like it was kind
of like a big, like, manifesto or like a promise
to myself of, like, this is why I do this
shit and, like, you know, like, I'm going to be, like,

(25:15):
myself no matter what.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
For you, because I've seen it happen, like, I can
only imagine if you're an artist who kind of doesn't
fit in a, box if you will you do get
a lot of external pressure the label saying yo you're
from atlanta do a record with this person yeah or
hey we want to get you in with this producer
because this producer makes the trap atlanta shit or whatever

(25:36):
it is do you start to kind of like second
guess like am i doing the right shit like am
i am i like is the music because if you're
making the music you love i feel like that's all
that matters and you'll get the best art out of
that But did you ever, were you ever like tempted
to chase sounds or chase?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
A hundred percent. Everybody is. Like, I feel like everybody like,
you know what I'm saying? Get that little bug of like, man,
this what everybody got down doing. So if I do
this shit, it'd be like a quick bag or whatever. But,
but that's what I mean about Bulldog. Like the bravery
to like, not necessarily succumb to that and like find
your way, like find your purpose. Like, cause trust me, bro.
Like I love money, bro. I fuck with money. Like

(26:16):
I like having money. I like having big songs and
shit like that. But, That's like a beast that's always hungry.
You know what I'm saying? So, like, how long are
you going to feed it? Are you going to lose
yourself in that? You know what I'm saying? Was the
7-Eleven record kind of like you addressing those feelings? A
hundred percent. Like, bro, if you... No matter how fire
you is, like, the industry don't necessarily have an incentive

(26:39):
to reward somebody for being good at what they do or, like,
even loving what they do or even the knowledge... acknowledging
the amount of people that love what you do, it's
just literally, like, it's this number doing what this number
is supposed to do for us. Yeah. And I'm not, like,
label bashing, because that's, like, how any business is supposed
to be. Right. But I do think, like, for your

(27:00):
artist sanity, you got to check in with yourself of, like,
why the fuck am I doing this, you know what
I'm saying? Like, beyond money, because it's, like, anybody can
do that shit. Well, I think, too. And that's why, like,
AI art and all that shit is doing that shit,
because it's, like, Nigga, there's some shit that can generate
money while we do nothing.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
It literally costs nothing to make. It's kind of crazy.
It's like the AI shit, I feel like the.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Labels are saying that they're going to fight against it
like some are. They're full of shit. Yeah, come on. Like, it's... Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Wait, you mean you can get some free work out
of this sono? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (27:34):
It's like the best case scenario for like a corporation.
I ain't going to lie.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Also, like, we've been getting... primed for this through Hollywood, man.
We had that Artificial Intelligence movie with Lil Bruh in
it and Will Smith, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Now you're getting tip for a hat. Yeah. No, I'm
in it. I'm in it.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
No, but I do think, even if you think of
the Sonos shit, because I think producers, I know some
producers who will think of an idea for a sample
and instead of like, I guess you can't really dig
for a specific lyric.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
It's too tempting. It's because it's just right there and
it's immediate. If you're a producer and it's like, it's
going to cost 20 bands, 30 bands to clear this sample.
Or you can just go here and, yo, make me
type this prompt and make me this type of vibe
and then you can sample it. It's like, it's too tempting.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
If you find out your producer's using AI for their beats,
are you out?

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah, it sucks to do the right thing sometimes. It does, man.
We got to save the fucking power bills and the water, dog.
I guess I'm just standing on, for me, like, musically,
I'm standing on, like, it all being an organic thing. Like,
that's my brand.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
And like, this is your livelihood. So if like, if
the producer can replace the bro who sends loops, somebody's
gonna end up replacing the motherfucker rapping.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, it's like a rat race. Yeah. You know what
I'm saying? Like, somebody gotta, somebody gotta be the one
to be like, nah, I'ma stand on this and not
do it and that'll be my brand. You know what
I'm saying? Y'all probably get rich faster than me, but
I have my like, I have my stream of money
the way I do it, and I won't feel like
a dickhead, I guess.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
I feel like you have hard ticket sales. You have
fans who really show up for you.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Well, that's the optimistic, I guess, part of it. I
know whatever fucking AI revolution happens, there's going to be
an equal and opposite cultural thing of people wanting live
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Speaker 1 (30:45):
One of the streaming apps, I think it's Prime, but
they took away movies from a certain company that you
bought because their deal with them, like they couldn't come
to an agreement. So I, I bought like some movies
that I didn't have access to anymore.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
My conspiracy theory theory. Yeah. Conspiracy theory.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Put the tinfoil hat on.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Let's go. Yeah. It's going to be like, there's going
to be something happens where there's like a great erasure
of like the cloud. Yeah. Yeah. Brother already. Yeah. I'm
just like classic shit. Out of some great attempt to
rewrite a narrative about- Rewrite history? You know what I'm saying?

(31:26):
I be thinking about this type of shit. We don't
even know what type of genre. We don't really have
a record of all the type of genres there were
100 years ago. You know what I'm saying? I don't know.
I just be thinking about the artists that, for whatever reason-
got erased. We just have to believe whatever museums tell us, basically.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, it sucks, too, because even on the smaller side,
on the hip-hop side, all the BET.com articles got erased.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
All the hip-hop DX articles got erased. All of our
blogs that we had in the blog era, they're not
there anymore. If you go to 2dopeboys. com, it's just a
landing page now, and you're like, damn, what if I
wanted to go To see what you guys posted in 2010.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, so I can't find the first, like, what, Kendrick
Lamar article on two dead boys. That's fucked up. But
I'm saying it's like somebody, I feel like... It's historic.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, and that's just in the hip-hop space. So imagine, like,
in the big picture shit, motherfuckers is really going to, like,
slowly start deleting shit. So it's like, hey, in 50 years,
the narrative is what we tell you the narrative is.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah. Or it's like, shit... even more tinfoil. They can
fucking change the movie. Shout out to like, they can
change the shit and it's like, no, the original version
was like this. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Which is what they do anyway.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, type. So it's like.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, no, for sure. We, it's, yeah, yeah, no. Shout
out to the tinfoil hats. We're here. Um, what, what
is your, are you a big movie guy?

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
What's, what's your, uh, like favorite movie? I know you
got a song called Pulp Fiction. Are you a Pulp
Fiction guy? What's your, what's your favorite movies? Yeah, I
fuck with Pulp Fiction for sure. I mean, I like
all like Tarantino stuff. Um, My favorite, probably all-time favorite
movie is probably Interstellar.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
I love Interstellar, man. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
McConaughey goes crazy.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I saw it on accident. I was supposed to go
see Jurassic Park with my mama. Okay. And we went
to the wrong theater.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Lucky you.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
And I know that. I know the movie was super fire. One,
because I was about to shed a tear. But two,
my mama didn't like it. That's how I knew it
was fire.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Your mom's probably like my wife. My wife likes nothing good.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
She wants to watch, like, fucking.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
My mama want to watch, like, Tyler Perry movies.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
I was literally about to say, my wife wants to
watch Tyler Perry movies.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, fact.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
I literally was going to say, like, she's like, Tyler Perry,
slasher flicks, and Friends.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Or, like, my mama want to watch, like, King Kong
versus like Mechagodzilla. Yes, like dumb shit. Shit like that, yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
She'd be like, yo, put that rock movie on where
he's like falling into a volcano.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, shit like that. Jumanji. Yes.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Oh my God.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
I'm like, yo, let's watch.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yo, let me tell you about this movie, Memento.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
It's backwards.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
It's kind of crazy.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
This is fucking stupid. I'm like, no, it's not. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
So, Interstellar.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Great movie. Christopher Nolan is a G. Yeah, yeah. He's
the one.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Have you watched True Detective season one with Matthew McConaughey
and Woody Harrelson?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
I watched it like a long time ago. I barely remember.
We were just talking about all the detective shows and
shit like that. That's the one. Only that one season, though.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Mersha Ali, season three, Mersha Ali comes back, or he
comes in it, and it's pretty good, but season one,
it's standalone.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
I really fucked with Dexter.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Oh, up until, listen, Dexter, I was there when it
was happening.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
I didn't catch it on Netflix.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
I had it on DVD. Still have it on DVD, unfortunately. Well,
or fortunately, depending on if your theory comes through. Anything
after season four I'm out on, though. Season four of
Dexter is one of the greatest television seasons of all time.
When the Trinity killer.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Kills his wife. Yes.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Holy shit.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
No. Classic. After that, it goes off the rails. I
might not have even watched it after that.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
No, you probably did.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
It just, it goes off the rails. Mm-hmm. The Trinity Killer,
that bro, John Lithgow, forget about it. Such a good
fucking show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Did you watch the spinoffs? Like, they got Dexter New Blood.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Oh, no, I didn't watch any of the spinoffs.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
No, the spinoffs are not bad.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Really?

Speaker 1 (35:32):
There's three spinoffs that all have the original. Well, Dexter
New Blood, fast forwards, because he survived, and then his
son finds him in, like, Alaska.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
What? It's good.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
The one I didn't watch was the flashback one, which
is like, it just takes place with him and his
dad when he's a kid.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
That's a prequel, yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Didn't get into the prequel. And then there's a new,
new one that I heard is fire.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
All right. Dexter's dope, man. I had to check him out.
You know what trips me out is all my, like,
I found out that motherfucker's from England. Yeah. It's like,
you watch your favorite shows and then you watch these interviews.
It's like, what's up?

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Everybody in the UK is getting shit cracking out here, bro.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
I feel like that's like a thing. We got to like,
we got to come hard. Breath of Snowfall. Yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
English as fuck.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
UK actors is kind of like... I feel like the
film in general, too, is kind of shitting on us
over here. Did you watch Odyssey? Nah, I ain't seen
it yet. I want to see it in IMAX.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
That's the only reason... Literally, I only want to see
it that way, and it's sold out.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
You can book that until, like, fucking November or some shit. Facts. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
And I'm, like, the only person in my life, because
everybody else just went and saw it. I'm like, no, no,
you got to see it with a certain millimeter in
the IMAX.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
I'm with that. However, the director told me I got
to see it.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
What about Spider-Man? Did you see the new Spider-Man?

Speaker 2 (36:44):
For sure. First day. I don't watch that either. I
don't know why. You don't fuck with Spider-Man?

Speaker 1 (36:48):
No, I do.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
I just, for whatever reason. I think it's the best one.
I've heard that.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Now, do you think he's the best Spider-Man?

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yeah. I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Unpopular opinion. I actually think the unpopular opinion is Xander Garfield.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
What?

Speaker 1 (37:03):
I think The Amazing Spider-Man won. I think Andrew Garfield
is the best Spider-Man. Now, he's not in the best
Spider-Man movies.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Nah, bro. He's too cool.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Just like Robert Pattinson, to me, is the best Batman.
Because The Batman is the most realistic depiction of what
Batman would be like in a real world setting.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
I think Robert Pattinson has the best Batman performance ever.
think the best batman movies.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah no no but it's different conversation yeah yeah because
the amazing spider-man 2 was horrible jamie foxx i would
never look at.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Jamie but i mean i'm not gonna lie like andrew
garfield he's too he's too cool for me like i
need my peter parker to be nerdy as fuck.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
And he felt like a little kid like tom holland
you know one of his gifts is he looks like
he's 12 yeah so yeah zen day got the same
shit so when they're playing high school kids you're like
i believe it like yeah euphoria you're like jesus.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
But yeah i just feel like the Peter Parker was
supposed to have that awkwardness. You know what I'm saying?
He's not supposed to be all like, Andrew Garfield, like swag.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Did you watch the new Resident Evil?

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Nah. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Are you a gamer?

Speaker 2 (38:03):
I'm not even really up on the Resident Evil movies
and shit like I should be. Did you play the game?
I think I played the game when I was a kid, yeah.
Like fucking 2000, what, 2007? It's great. Yeah. I got
to tap in. Yeah, yeah. I mean, don't play the game.
You don't have time. Don't play the game? I mean,
play the game if you have like a month. Yeah,

(38:24):
I'm blocking out the whole month for GTA for sure. Yeah,
the GTA thing is going to fuck a lot of
lives up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
I'm like a little worried because I haven't beat a
game in like a decade. I buy them all.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
You're too busy.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Exactly. I'm like a person who like, I even do
that shit with shows, but I haven't beat a game
in so long because I'll be like, yeah, it's fun,
but then I just never touch it again.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
But like GTA, I feel like it's the entry point
to us ending up like Ready Player One.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
For sure. I'm fucking with it, though. Like motherfuckers are
going to have jobs in that game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
They're going to be morbidly obese in real life. They're
going to be morbidly obese, like literally 10 steps away
from death.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Yeah. But in the game, they're going to work out
every day and be swole as fuck. That is dark. No,
because that's a thing in the new game.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
In the new game, depending on if you work out
in the game, your guy looks different.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
It is dystopian when you describe it that way.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Just imagine some fat fuck. He's got fat Cheeto fingers.
He's playing, just screaming at his fucking mom for the
Hot Pockets. But he's watching his character on GTA 5.
fucking do push-ups, and he's like, fuck yeah, I'm gonna
get these bitches.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Bruh.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
No, it's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
It's gonna happen. I heard you can have a girlfriend
in the game, too. Bro, I'm telling you, these motherfuckers
are gonna be fucking.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Hey, you know what? It might be a good thing.
Maybe they'll stop shooting up schools and churches and shit.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (40:05):
In the game? No, in real life. Oh, shit. There's
a lot of these lonely bruhs. What do they call them?
What do they call them? Incels. Oh, yeah, incels. Yeah,
give them all GTA.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
GTA in the virtual suit that makes them feel like
they're getting some real pussy. Anyway. Well, listen, man.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Your new album is out.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
It is called Bulldog. Yeah. Safe to say we won't.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Be getting a lot going on for you in November
as you'll be on GTA.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
November I'm out of commission, but I'm coming right back.
I'll drop all the new stuff before then. I got
some new shit coming before then in October.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yeah, so you do have new shit coming?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, we got new songs coming. We got vinyls coming,
and I'll be doing pop-ups for the vinyls. The vinyl
shit's important. Yeah, it's my first time dropping vinyl.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
Are you doing the limited run thing where you have like, yo,
if you get this one, you get the splatter with
the fucking Japanese writing and it's like there's only 200
of them.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
They've been waiting on vinyls for like six years, so
I'm just going to let them have it.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Are you going to do all the old stuff too?

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Eventually. Right now we're just doing Bulldog, but I'll eventually
get to that.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Just do what The Alchemist does. You've got to go
like general release.
So that's for everybody. Just the black record. Then you
got to do like four limited runs of like different artwork. Bro,
I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Like, ALC has figured it out. Him and Freddie, when
they do that Alfredo.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Shit, there's like 12 different fucking vinyl versions that drop
and motherfuckers, they all sell the fuck out.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
They like the kings of that shit for sure.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, Al is definitely the king of the vinyl game.
Him and Shots of West Side Gun and Makami too
is incredible. Melissa, man, go support the album. Appreciate you
pulling up.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Tour coming? We finished tour in June.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
You were on some Monster Energy shit, right? Was that
like two years ago?

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Three years ago? Did we do some Monster shit? Red
Bull or something? We did. Only thing I can think
of is Red Bull with Denzel.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Maybe it was the Red Bull thing.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah. I saw you with the Energy Drink logo somewhere
on a flyer. Might have been. There's that.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Well, listen, Kenny, I appreciate you pulling up, man.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
My boy.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
There it is.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
My guy, Kev. Fire. Fire. What up, y'all? We're here
at Eaze.

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Go to Eaze.com right now. It'll get delivered right to
your door. Or if you're in LA, pull up because
we're here right now.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Come on, man.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Shout out to Eaze.