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I live near Patterson Park on ButcherHill. All right, k do you
tell me if I got the statsright here? Okay, it was twenty
four miles and it took fourteen hours. It's just shy of that. So
thirteen hours, fifty four minutes,and you started Chesapeake Bay and you swam
to the inner Harbor, right,yeah, all the way to Harbor Place.
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Oh my god. And so whereon the Chesapeake Bay exactly did you
start? I think it was whatthree in the morning on Tuesday morning?
Is that right? Yeah? Iwas three nineteen, I am, And
I started from Sandy Point State Park, just just like right next to the
Chesapeake Bay Bridge and just swim NonStopfrom the middle of the night, all
the way until just after five pm. And so tell me, why did
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you want to do this? I'msure you've been asked this a lot of
times. Why did you want totake on this challenge? Yeah? I
mean I've been dreaming about this onefor a long time. I'm a lifelong
Marylander and I've lived in Baltimore fortwenty years, and I've been looking forward
and and waiting for the day thatthe harbor is swimmable and when waterfront Partnership,
an amazing nonprofit in Baltimore, announcedtheir intentions of Harbor splash where last
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last weekend, one hundred and fiftypeople jumped in the harbor as a celebration
of all of their efforts. Sothat they've been testing the water and doing
a lot of work over the lastseveral decades to improve water quality and work
with other organizations and and the citygovernment to to really improve things. And
you know, there's still more workto do, but their their hard work
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is really beginning to pay off.So the you know, the harbor is
reaching swimmable levels by Maryland you knowswimming beaches standards. Uh, And they're
testing you know, even more often. It's five five days a week more
often than those swimming beaches. Sothe fact that we're reaching those levels and
and then we can really enjoy ourharbor is just amazing. It is It's
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incredible. But this is an ideayou've had for a while. You were
just waiting for the the water tobe clean enough for you to swim in,
Is that right? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I definitely have jumped
about a swim like this, andthe yeah on once Water from Partnership announced
it I think I emailed them likethree minutes later that I wanted to collaborate
with them on this kind of aswim. And my husband and I Joe
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is always my my you know,my partner and everything, and dreaming up
to swim, we were looking atmaps and figuring out like where the best
starting place would be, and themore, you know, I really like
swims that are in that twenty twentyto twenty five mile range, and the
fact that the Bay Bridge is twentyfour miles was just perfect. My first
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ever open water swim in twenty tenwas was starting at the exact same spot.
So that was the Chesapeat based swimthat goes from Standy Point to the
Eastern shore, so you swim betweenthe two spans of the Chessaea Bay Bridge
and that's a huge swim that hundredsof people from around the country and the
world come and do. And toto start in the same spot, but
some to Baltimore was was extra special. So you've done this type of swim
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before, how how many times?I think hundreds? My twelfth my twelve
marathon swim, I think is thecount there incredible? Wow, that's just
fantastic. And the actual swim thatyou did the twenty four miles, Now
do you do that actual swim acouple times before you you do? Or
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no? Like, how does thatwork in training? No? So the
a lot of the way I train, I mean with swimming, you know,
like for for well, for runners, right, you hear a lot
about runners never do the full twentysix point two in training, right,
They kind of work up to itand then you're planning and preparing your body
to be ready to do that.Okay, all right. Swimming is similar
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in that I, you know,I'm not going and doing twenty four miles
in the training session, but soI'm looking at kind of the overall distance
in my week. But for swimming, you prepare for a lot more,
right, So it's it's you can'tguarantee it's going to be the exact distance
in the straight line because of conditionsand wind and you know, the currents.
Uh So you have to be kindof ready for a lot bigger swim
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and even in the you know,to kind of stick with the comparison and
running too, Like you can't youknow running you can, you can walk,
you can sit down, you canyou know, sit on the curb
if you need to with swimming andwith these ultra marathon swims. Uh.
And and by the rules that Ifollow, which are through the Maryland Swimmers
Federation, and really they're they're underthe English Channel swimming rules, which is
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a big part of the history ofour sport. You're not allowed to touch
anything or anyone. So there's nono hanging on the boat and hanging on
someone, No no getting out andtaking a break. You are swimming at
all time. Who are the openwater swimmers you look up to? I
mean I saw the movie Na YetDiana and I Yet, is that one
of them? Or there's a lotof open water swimmers I look up.
Sarah Thomas is a is a bigone. She's from Colorado. I mean,
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really, there are so many womenin this sport. Marty McDonald is
a is an amazing swimmer. She'sactually has the American record for the most
English Channel swims and she's the onlyperson that has swim from England to Belgium
last year. Uh. I meanreally, this this sport has so many,
so many amazing women. So withthe swim that you did, you
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talk about the rules as far asno touching, What about other things like
can you can you stop and andtread water for a second, take a
drink? I mean, yeah,how does that all work? As long
as you're not as long as you'renot hanging on anything or you know,
getting any kind of assistance with propulsion, uh or or buoyancy, you're you're
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you're okay. So I and youdefinitely need to hydrate, especially with this
swim. Was was really warm.The water was super hot, air was
super hot. So my crew theypart of you know, they're there to
you know, keep me going whereI'm supposed to be headed. Because he
has a swimmer, you can't seewhere you're going, and you know they're
also watching for you know, mysafety. And then they throw water bottle,
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which I have. I had twowater bottles, one with like an
electrolyte mix for high streation and onewith a carb and protein mix. So
they throw that out every half hourand those are attached to like a line
so they can pull them back.And so yeah, I just kind of
keep kicking on my back or tread. Really I drink and eat like a
like a sea otter so that Ican picture that. That's that's pretty awesome.
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So uh yeah, which river otterswere just spotted at the aquarium in
Baltimore. Get Outum had some riverotters visit their new wetlands last week.
Oh cool, that's awesome, Iknow, right, definitely a big sign
for the health of the Potapsco.So what was the swim like as far
as the feeling, I mean,did it feel cleand uh, it was
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definitely a warm swim, but thewater, you know, otherwise felt great.
You know, I think as swimmers, we definitely noticed the taste of
water, right, Yeah, youcan't help it but taste it. And
you know, in the bay itwas it was definitely a little saltier.
As we kind of went into thePotapsco, it got got a little less
salty, a little more fresh water. The best way I can describe that
is the Tapsco tasted like any otherriver I've ever been in. So I
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think that's a good sign. Yeah, definitely. So what's on tap next?
Is there a swim you're going tobe training for you get to take
a break for months or what areyou looking at next? Oh? Yeah,
so right now I'm really working onrehydration, drinking a lot of p
D light and resting up and Ihave a big painting to work on for
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an upcoming exhibition during artscape. Andactually I'm in four weeks headed to California
to swim the Catalina Channel for thesecond time. Yeah, twenty eighteen.
Yeah, so we're doing another twentyone mile swim. The end of the
month is twenty four Is this theIs that the longest you've swim? It's
the second longest time wise, okay, distance, you know, just because
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of conditions are always different, youknow, like Manhattan is technically I swim
around Manhattan twenty seventeen, which thatswim is is twenty eight and a half
miles. You can kind of ifyou time at right, you can get
a push the whole way since thoserivers are tidal, yeah, so you
can kind of be with it.So it was twenty eight half miles,
but that swim was was I finishedin just over eight hours, so it's
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a fast swim even though it wastechnically further. So this one, I
would say is probably the second longest. The English Channel similar, you know,
big thing in distant swimming here isit's twenty one miles in a straight
line. The English channels that youplan to swim in an s. So
both of my English Channel swims,which I did in twenty fifteen and twenty
twenty two, both of them werelike thirty six thirty seven miles. Wow.
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And how many people are on yourteam as you do this? Like
you got somebody next to you,then you got the main boat. I
guess four or five. Yeah.Typically there's there's two boat captains that are
piloting your swim. They're the onesreally charting your course based on conditions and
your speed. Usually there's there's oneor two. I had two observers for
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this swim. They're like your referees. So for this sim they were,
you know, we're recording all ofthe data every half hour and our longitude
and latitude where we were and makingsure you're following all the rules. And
then my crew. Typically for swims, I have like three to four people
that can kind of you know,take care of those water and food preparations
and keeping on me for this.But this swim was close to home and
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I wanted to invite as many friends, family and swim pals as I could,
so I had a team of upI think, and including a documentary
team that's making a documentary about theswim and a couple of reporters from the
Baltimore Banner Joints. So we hadeighteen people on the boat. How can
we see that documentary? Do youknow yet? I mean, is it
good? Yeah, they're working onit and hopefully we'll have more information on
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that. We still have a fewpost swim interviews to do and and some
other things they want to document.So that's documentary team. It's an all
female led filmmaker group. They're calledBoob Sweat Films. I'm really excited.
All of the footage they got wasabsolutely beautiful. If I've seen a few
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little low clips on average. Howdo you plan out your swims? Do
you do one once every two years, once every year or is it scattered
and because you're busy with other thingsin your life. Yeah, I typically
try to do it at least oneof the season. So the season is
kind of made October depending on whereyou're going in the world. You know,
if if their summers are winter,it could be a different time.
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So I'm usually kind of planning outwhat my season is going to be and
how I want to train, andthen also yeah, taking into account other
things in life and schedules. Sofor this year, and this swim was
originally going to be in May,so you know, Bay to Baltimore swim
and my Catalina Channel swim being soclose together was not entirely the plan.
But I think it'll be just justgreat. And I think i i in
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October, I'm going to do swimmeraround Charleston, which is a fun twelve
mile swim. I really want tovisit Charleston, So that's a big part
of this sport and why, youknow, I love swimming. I love
everything about it. But it's alsogreat that it helps you, you know,
gets me to travel to really coolcities. Charleston's amazing. It's I
mean, it's one of my favoriteplaces. I would think about moving down
there in years and then I don'tknow if there's places the swim in Savannah.
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Check out out Georgia. It's again. Yeah, I love that.
Yeah, they're like twin cities thatare like friendly rivals and all that,
but both great little towns, alot to do, all right, real
quick. I love it. Ilove that Port Sidetown. Yeah yeah,
yeah, a lot of fun,a lot of cool stuff. Good people.
Tell me about your personal life.You're married, I'm married. Yes,
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my husband Joe, he's a he'sa ninth grade math teacher at Patterson
High School here in the east sideof Baltimore. He also coaches baseball and
we met coaching swimming. Actually,he's also a swimmer. Years ago,
we were both coaching a youth clubteam and we met that way, and
we were good friends before for manyyears before we realized that we were very
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much a love. That's awesome.Any kids yet, No, no plans
for kids, all right, butyeah, I love our love, our
life in Baltimore and we have twodogs. And yeah, I'm a full
time artist. My studio is nottoo far Highland Town Arts District, and
I have a lot of family inthe area. And yeah, things I'm
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really excited about the rest of thesummer too. Awesome. So and tell
me and you do you are anartist? Talk a little bit about that,
and is that part of your vocationthat part I don't know about.
Yeah, I've been a self employedartists and an athlete. It's definitely an
interesting combination of my professional life,sure, and how I mix you know,
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what I love and what I do. Yeah, my painting is as
typically large, larger scale painting,but I also have some small works and
I do some sculpture. My workdefinitely brings in a lot of my experiences
from swimming, a lot of alot of imagery from swimming and color palettes
from my swims. I'm actually workingon a large painting I'm hoping to have
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have done for the Sundheim semifinalist show. I was semi finalist this here Wow.
So that painting is nine by twelvefeet, so I'm hoping my arms
will be able to lift hi soon. During the sunrise of this swim,
I was really thinking about that,brainstorming that painting and how how what moves
I'm going to make next? CanI ask what the painting is of?
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Yeah, it's there's going to bea couple of swimmers through there. And
a lot of my work really playswith, you know, how we how
we deal with anxiety and and whatour instincts are right, and how we
use humor to get through stress oryou know. So a lot of my
work tends to kind of pull fromthe imagery of swimming, but but also
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have suggestions of you know, seamonsters and things that you know, like
how our imagination plays tricks on us, which is definitely something I'm very familiar
with, swimming at night, uhin dark water. Uh yeah. I
really try to bring in some playfulnessto my work. My sculpture tends to
have a lot of pool flow,uh huh, like respectable pool floats.
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And I've been casting pool floats andconcrete because i find it pretty hilarious to
make sculptures that look like they couldfloat, but they weigh eighty five pround
right to the bottom of the oceanexactly. Yeah. Yeah, so I
have a penguin pool float and I'mworking on some flamingos. So, Katie,
where can we see your work?Do you have socials or website?
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This is cool? Yeah. Somy Instagram is Katie Pumphrey Art and that's
both my art and swimming, soyou kind of see the whole whole view
and I try to share my youknow, about me and my life.
So it's also you'll see a lotof my dogs, Monty and Aja.
My website also for art is justmy name Katie Pumphrey dot dot com.
Uh and my swimming website swim Katie. That they both link to each other,
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so visit one you'll you'll find theother one. Uh, and I
really try to keep those updated andshare as much as I can. Awesome,
We'll definitely check it out. KatiePumfrey, You're an inspiration. We're
so proud that you're you know whatof Baltimore's own. What a great feat
you did, really really cool,and we're all so much very impressed and
really appreciate your time here and justgetting to know you and what you did.
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So fantastic. Good luck in California. Absolutely, thanks. Yeah,
I'll let you know how it goes. Awesome, all right, good talking
to Katie. Thank you again.Thank you. Have a good one.