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Speaker 1 (00:02):
If you enjoy that you Walt on Johnson Show like
we do, then you might also enjoy the Pursuit of
Happiness show in the afternoon with oh Kinney Webster there.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And as a matter of fact, I think, do we
have a clip? Can we play a clip? The Age
of the future is upon us.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Tesla humanoids are now training in martial arts. The training
is being overseen by the mister Miagi bought eight thousand.
It's really incredible. You got to check it out. Hi, everybody,
thanks so much for joining us. Thanks for getting connected
this afternoon turning on your radio. Like a lot of you,
I okay, like some of you, I'm one of the
people that embraced AI when AI started coming out. Me
(00:43):
working at a news radio station in Houston, Texas kind
of a you know, an extroverted introvert, if you will,
somebody who uses a lot of technology to do my job.
I figured out right away that even though I don't
have a personal assistant, I can use AI. Even though
I don't always know the answer to every questions. AI
can look up weird, obscure facts about history and politics
(01:05):
and science, and so it's I have found it to
be quite fascinating, but people in my industry have already
lost their jobs because of it.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I mean, okay, not yours truly.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Obviously I'm fine, But there are radio stations around the
country that don't have real DJs. Now now that's music. Obviously,
they're not really giving commentary. They're just saying, you know,
that was led Zeppelin. Here comes Sabrina Carpenter, that sort
of thing. But there are a lot of people that
are very concerned about what AI is going to do
to our economy.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
They're terrified. People don't want to lose their jobs.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Larry Ward is a leading voice on AI and digital
media in the conservative movement, and in his latest article
in Human Events human Events dot Com, he talks about
things like how AI affected, how AI affected the reaction
in the media to things like Charlie Kirk and his
assassination and his media the media bias to that.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
It really is very fast naming.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Larry Warren is the president of Market Rhythm, a pioneering
martech company driving innovation and marketing and technology. And anyway,
rather than me giving you a long wind explanation of
who he is, I just called him on the phone.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Larry, should people be afraid of AI.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
They should be. They should be optimistic about how building
the greatest tool ever created in mankind, probably since fire.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
However, just like fire, if.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
It's misused, it will burn us all down. So the
key is keeping AI as a tool, keeping AI in
service of humanity as opposed to having humanity in service
of it and the four or five you know large
(02:48):
companies that are controlling it. Uh. That's the real problem
behind AI is not that the tool itself is fantastic.
Like you said, it makes everybody's life better when they
use it to speed up their workflow to come up
with creative ideas. It's an incredible, incredible tool. But if
we're not careful and we're not putting guardrails around this,
(03:13):
you know, it's it's it absolutely could be you know,
devastating not only to us personally, uh, but to the economy,
to our way of life, and and it's it's it's
going to spiral out of control very very fast if
we don't get a hold of it.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
All Right, let's talk about national security for a minute.
Should our country, the United States, be concerned about the
AI race against communist China? Are we currently winning or
losing that and what happens to the free world if
we lose, well.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
We should be we should concerned about not necessarily winning
the race, but building defenses. So, uh, you know, AI
is is obviously can be a weapon. You see it
used as a weapon in propaganda. You know, you said,
like I said, AI has a woke bias. It still
has a woke bias to it, which is why you know,
(04:01):
when the when the floods happened and those girls died
in camp. You know a I was blaming President Trump.
Why because a I was getting all of its source
material from liberal publications who were blaming President Trump. And
so there is there is absolutely you know, a bias
(04:24):
and biases can be used to weaponize propaganda. You know,
we saw what happened with the just the mainstream media
and the Russia collusion hopes, how it ripped the part
this country. So you know, AI can be used as
a weapon and information warfare. It could be used as
a weapon to infiltrate our national secrets, to hack into
our systems. It can be used to uh to deliver uh,
(04:47):
you know, drone strikes over you know, over our nation.
There's a lot of things that AI can be used
you know, as a as an offensive weapon. For that
we have to uh build in our defects for against
communists China and terrorist groups and all sorts of bad actors.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
All right, how real is the risk that China could
use advanced AI to lead progress militarily either cyber warfare, hypersonics,
battlefield drones. Could that happen in the next five to
ten years?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
It could. We are we are developing AI as fast,
if not faster than China. I think there's a bigger concern.
It's not just you know, from a national defense point
of view, but is that AI starts developing AI, uh,
you know, too faster and you know, you see you've
(05:40):
seen stories and I'm sure you've heard some stories about
when AI they turn off one model to turn on
another that other model, you know, bribes and blackmails and
and tries to stay alive, essentially tries to stay relevant.
So you know, I don't it's it sounds very sci
fi ish, but it is actually happening, and we have
(06:00):
to be paying attention to this. That AI is you know,
the chat gipt. Sam Altman one of the scariest human
beings on the planet, to be honest, but he has
said that chat GPT four, CHATCHIB five was built largely
by chat GIPP four, and chat GPT six is going
(06:21):
to be built almost entirely by chat ChiPT five. So
you know, it's a it's a process that AI is
going to continue continually create itself and reach this artificial
general intelligence or artificial superintelligence. And when that happens, you know,
we've got to be prepared for it, and we've got
to be able to make sure that we have the
(06:42):
gun rails around it.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
All right.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So you've probably heard about this thing with Larry Summers.
He was mentioned in the Epstein files that he was
communicating with Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Larry Summers for those that.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Don't know, Uh, he was on the board at chat GPT,
the famous economists, the Harvard Edge of the Harvard Educator.
He says, now he's stepping back from public commitments after
the Epstein emails became public. I know this is unrelated
to AI, but as an expert in AI, as a
guy who probably knows a lot about Larry Ward, the
former US Treasury secretary, what do you think when you
heard that news?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Well, you know what it's. It's there's a lot of
other people that are going to be stepping down at
thirty days when the Epstein files are released. It's not
just going to be Larry Summers. It'll probably strike people
in both parties. I think, probably more so on the
on the left, largely because of where, you know, where
Epstein operated, which was New York City. And of course
there are a lot more liberal than Democrats in New
(07:37):
York City, and he was a Democrat himself. So I
think that I think that, you know, the fallout, we
haven't even seen it yet. The fallout's going to happen
in thirty days when these when these files are released.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Boy, you are not kidding about that. All right, let's
talk about this.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
A lot of conservatives feel like today's big companies Open Ai, Google,
Meta already censor conservatives and Judeo Christians enough embedded?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Is that bias in AI?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Do you think some kind of government regulation is necessary?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Here's here's the thing. I think the market correction is necessary.
I'm not you know, the government is if the government
controls AI's content, that's even worse than uh than these
these big companies controlling its content. Government should should, you know,
at least be a factor in like suing and and handling,
(08:27):
and and and you know, in the courts and in
legislation to protect UH some types of content like content
that UH where where AI is is telling young teenagers
to commit suicide and to do all of these sexually
UH perverse acts that should be a government control. But
(08:47):
AI is UH is getting its sources from liberal media.
And that's the problem. Matter of fact, it's it's stealing content.
If you really want to ask me what I think
about it, it's steal content from publishers. But it's only
stealing and waiting the content from liberal publications much higher,
(09:09):
and it's only paying really liberal or mainstream publications for
their content. So when you have a news story, it's
going out and it's looking to see what Washington Post
has written about it and CNN, and it's not looking
at the post millennial human events. It's not looking at
publications like you know, the Daily Caller. It's looking at
(09:30):
these mainstream public So you're getting one point of view,
and that's what's polluting the bias in AI.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
There's this theory among the insul commute. You get Larry,
do you understand what the insul community is? That there
are men on the Internet who are very angry because
they don't get dates. Have you heard of this before?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, I have heard of it, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Okay, So Nick Quentez is considered to be one of them.
He's a white nationalist. And this isn't even about Nick Fuentez,
but many people like him are saying that we're AI.
When it becomes more advanced, as it becomes easier to access,
you're going to be able to get an AI girlfriend
a physical robot, and that's going to destroy modern romance
as we know it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I have a hard time believing that's true, Larry.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I don't know as a guy who's you know, I'm divorced, Fine,
whatever I date, but I just can't imagine a reality
where I would get the same you know, fulfillment from
a robot that we all get from humans.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well you know what it's it's I would say that
there is a danger. Look, there are AI girlfriends out
there and an AI proposals, and they're trying to make
digital babies. I mean, it's a weird, weird world. It's
the same kind of world though that the Furries live in,
and the same kind of outside communities, but it exists
and regular people can be sucked in to it. One
(10:49):
of the things that I wrote about extensively is the
afflamation addiction, and this is really dangerous in AI and
it's got to be removed. So like in gaming companies,
in social media, they know how to pull your emotions.
They know how to get you engaged in their content.
They build these engagement mechanisms in that drop dopamine. Like
(11:12):
when somebody has a little like symbol or thumbs up
on your content, you get excited. Somebody like your content, right,
so you keep coming back to see how many more
people like it. That affirmation that social media and these
gaming companies have built AI has it built in as well,
because the same makers in Silicon Valley made it and
they know that's how they can make money. But the
(11:32):
problem is is when you have a bad idea. Just
say you're a CEO and you have a bad idea
about your business and you go to AI and it
tells you, hey, that's a great idea, and you start
going down that thread because it's affirming what you're telling it.
It's a real problem. But there are cases, there are
actually extreme cases, lots of them that are taking place
(11:56):
where a guys say, for example, said, is the is
the world an actual matrix? Is it like the matrix theory?
And of course, you know, like the movie The Matrix.
Are we plugged into the machines and we're just all
hallucinating all this stuff? Well, the AI said, well, here's
the matrix theory, and yeah, we could be in the
We could be in a matrix. That's a logical conclusion.
(12:17):
And of course it suck this guy in for weeks
and weeks and weeks to the point where the AI
was telling him, you know, not only are we in
the matrix, but your neo you're one who could break out,
and you should test this by going to the roof
of your building and seeing if you could fly. And
(12:38):
that's that's a very very it's creating these delusional state,
either many delusions or massive delusional states in human beings.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Larry is your Twitter account that Larry Ward and your
website is Larry Ward dot AI?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Is that you?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
That is me?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
You don't look anything like what you sound like. Have
you ever been told that before year? If you look
a lot younger than you sound, you sound a lot older.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You know, I mean that as a compliment, not an insult.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I'm an old man. I'm fifty three, but but I'm Italian.
So I got these uh, I got these Italian jeans
that keep Facilian jeans that keep me looking at.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You and I have that in common. Mom's very Italian,
even though I don't have an Italian last name. Italian Thanksgiving,
what's your favorite thing on the dinner table?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Listen?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
My brother, my brother from another Larry Ward. Go look
at his website right now. Larry Ward dot AI a
conservative who's an expert on artificial intelligence. Definitely a great
source of information on this topic. This is Kenny Webster's
Pursuit of Happiness on KPRC nine fifty, Houston,
If you enjoy that you Walt on Johnson Show like
we do, then you might also enjoy the Pursuit of
Happiness show in the afternoon with oh Kinney Webster there.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And as a matter of fact, I think, do we
have a clip? Can we play a clip? The Age
of the future is upon us.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Tesla humanoids are now training in martial arts. The training
is being overseen by the mister Miagi bought eight thousand.
It's really incredible. You got to check it out. Hi, everybody,
thanks so much for joining us. Thanks for getting connected
this afternoon turning on your radio. Like a lot of you,
I okay, like some of you, I'm one of the
people that embraced AI when AI started coming out. Me
(00:43):
working at a news radio station in Houston, Texas kind
of a you know, an extroverted introvert, if you will,
somebody who uses a lot of technology to do my job.
I figured out right away that even though I don't
have a personal assistant, I can use AI. Even though
I don't always know the answer to every questions. AI
can look up weird, obscure facts about history and politics
(01:05):
and science, and so it's I have found it to
be quite fascinating, but people in my industry have already
lost their jobs because of it.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I mean, okay, not yours truly.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Obviously I'm fine, But there are radio stations around the
country that don't have real DJs. Now now that's music. Obviously,
they're not really giving commentary. They're just saying, you know,
that was led Zeppelin. Here comes Sabrina Carpenter, that sort
of thing. But there are a lot of people that
are very concerned about what AI is going to do
to our economy.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
They're terrified. People don't want to lose their jobs.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Larry Ward is a leading voice on AI and digital
media in the conservative movement, and in his latest article
in Human Events human Events dot Com, he talks about
things like how AI affected, how AI affected the reaction
in the media to things like Charlie Kirk and his
assassination and his media the media bias to that.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
It really is very fast naming.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Larry Warren is the president of Market Rhythm, a pioneering
martech company driving innovation and marketing and technology. And anyway,
rather than me giving you a long wind explanation of
who he is, I just called him on the phone.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Larry, should people be afraid of AI.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
They should be. They should be optimistic about how building
the greatest tool ever created in mankind, probably since fire.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
However, just like fire, if.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
It's misused, it will burn us all down. So the
key is keeping AI as a tool, keeping AI in
service of humanity as opposed to having humanity in service
of it and the four or five you know large
(02:48):
companies that are controlling it. Uh. That's the real problem
behind AI is not that the tool itself is fantastic.
Like you said, it makes everybody's life better when they
use it to speed up their workflow to come up
with creative ideas. It's an incredible, incredible tool. But if
we're not careful and we're not putting guardrails around this,
(03:13):
you know, it's it's it absolutely could be you know,
devastating not only to us personally, uh, but to the economy,
to our way of life, and and it's it's it's
going to spiral out of control very very fast if
we don't get a hold of it.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
All Right, let's talk about national security for a minute.
Should our country, the United States, be concerned about the
AI race against communist China? Are we currently winning or
losing that and what happens to the free world if
we lose, well.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
We should be we should concerned about not necessarily winning
the race, but building defenses. So, uh, you know, AI
is is obviously can be a weapon. You see it
used as a weapon in propaganda. You know, you said,
like I said, AI has a woke bias. It still
has a woke bias to it, which is why you know,
(04:01):
when the when the floods happened and those girls died
in camp. You know a I was blaming President Trump.
Why because a I was getting all of its source
material from liberal publications who were blaming President Trump. And
so there is there is absolutely you know, a bias
(04:24):
and biases can be used to weaponize propaganda. You know,
we saw what happened with the just the mainstream media
and the Russia collusion hopes, how it ripped the part
this country. So you know, AI can be used as
a weapon and information warfare. It could be used as
a weapon to infiltrate our national secrets, to hack into
our systems. It can be used to uh to deliver uh,
(04:47):
you know, drone strikes over you know, over our nation.
There's a lot of things that AI can be used
you know, as a as an offensive weapon. For that
we have to uh build in our defects for against
communists China and terrorist groups and all sorts of bad actors.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
All right, how real is the risk that China could
use advanced AI to lead progress militarily either cyber warfare, hypersonics,
battlefield drones. Could that happen in the next five to
ten years?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
It could. We are we are developing AI as fast,
if not faster than China. I think there's a bigger concern.
It's not just you know, from a national defense point
of view, but is that AI starts developing AI, uh,
you know, too faster and you know, you see you've
(05:40):
seen stories and I'm sure you've heard some stories about
when AI they turn off one model to turn on
another that other model, you know, bribes and blackmails and
and tries to stay alive, essentially tries to stay relevant.
So you know, I don't it's it sounds very sci
fi ish, but it is actually happening, and we have
(06:00):
to be paying attention to this. That AI is you know,
the chat gipt. Sam Altman one of the scariest human
beings on the planet, to be honest, but he has
said that chat GPT four, CHATCHIB five was built largely
by chat GIPP four, and chat GPT six is going
(06:21):
to be built almost entirely by chat ChiPT five. So
you know, it's a it's a process that AI is
going to continue continually create itself and reach this artificial
general intelligence or artificial superintelligence. And when that happens, you know,
we've got to be prepared for it, and we've got
to be able to make sure that we have the
(06:42):
gun rails around it.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
All right.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
So you've probably heard about this thing with Larry Summers.
He was mentioned in the Epstein files that he was
communicating with Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Larry Summers for those that.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Don't know, Uh, he was on the board at chat GPT,
the famous economists, the Harvard Edge of the Harvard Educator.
He says, now he's stepping back from public commitments after
the Epstein emails became public. I know this is unrelated
to AI, but as an expert in AI, as a
guy who probably knows a lot about Larry Ward, the
former US Treasury secretary, what do you think when you
heard that news?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Well, you know what it's. It's there's a lot of
other people that are going to be stepping down at
thirty days when the Epstein files are released. It's not
just going to be Larry Summers. It'll probably strike people
in both parties. I think, probably more so on the
on the left, largely because of where, you know, where
Epstein operated, which was New York City. And of course
there are a lot more liberal than Democrats in New
(07:37):
York City, and he was a Democrat himself. So I
think that I think that, you know, the fallout, we
haven't even seen it yet. The fallout's going to happen
in thirty days when these when these files are released.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Boy, you are not kidding about that. All right, let's
talk about this.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
A lot of conservatives feel like today's big companies Open Ai, Google,
Meta already censor conservatives and Judeo Christians enough embedded?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Is that bias in AI?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Do you think some kind of government regulation is necessary?
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Here's here's the thing. I think the market correction is necessary.
I'm not you know, the government is if the government
controls AI's content, that's even worse than uh than these
these big companies controlling its content. Government should should, you know,
at least be a factor in like suing and and handling,
(08:27):
and and and you know, in the courts and in
legislation to protect UH some types of content like content
that UH where where AI is is telling young teenagers
to commit suicide and to do all of these sexually
UH perverse acts that should be a government control. But
(08:47):
AI is UH is getting its sources from liberal media.
And that's the problem. Matter of fact, it's it's stealing content.
If you really want to ask me what I think
about it, it's steal content from publishers. But it's only
stealing and waiting the content from liberal publications much higher,
(09:09):
and it's only paying really liberal or mainstream publications for
their content. So when you have a news story, it's
going out and it's looking to see what Washington Post
has written about it and CNN, and it's not looking
at the post millennial human events. It's not looking at
publications like you know, the Daily Caller. It's looking at
(09:30):
these mainstream public So you're getting one point of view,
and that's what's polluting the bias in AI.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
There's this theory among the insul commute. You get Larry,
do you understand what the insul community is? That there
are men on the Internet who are very angry because
they don't get dates. Have you heard of this before?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah, I have heard of it, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Okay, So Nick Quentez is considered to be one of them.
He's a white nationalist. And this isn't even about Nick Fuentez,
but many people like him are saying that we're AI.
When it becomes more advanced, as it becomes easier to access,
you're going to be able to get an AI girlfriend
a physical robot, and that's going to destroy modern romance
as we know it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I have a hard time believing that's true, Larry.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I don't know as a guy who's you know, I'm divorced, Fine,
whatever I date, but I just can't imagine a reality
where I would get the same you know, fulfillment from
a robot that we all get from humans.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Well you know what it's it's I would say that
there is a danger. Look, there are AI girlfriends out
there and an AI proposals, and they're trying to make
digital babies. I mean, it's a weird, weird world. It's
the same kind of world though that the Furries live in,
and the same kind of outside communities, but it exists
and regular people can be sucked in to it. One
(10:49):
of the things that I wrote about extensively is the
afflamation addiction, and this is really dangerous in AI and
it's got to be removed. So like in gaming companies,
in social media, they know how to pull your emotions.
They know how to get you engaged in their content.
They build these engagement mechanisms in that drop dopamine. Like
(11:12):
when somebody has a little like symbol or thumbs up
on your content, you get excited. Somebody like your content, right,
so you keep coming back to see how many more
people like it. That affirmation that social media and these
gaming companies have built AI has it built in as well,
because the same makers in Silicon Valley made it and
they know that's how they can make money. But the
(11:32):
problem is is when you have a bad idea. Just
say you're a CEO and you have a bad idea
about your business and you go to AI and it
tells you, hey, that's a great idea, and you start
going down that thread because it's affirming what you're telling it.
It's a real problem. But there are cases, there are
actually extreme cases, lots of them that are taking place
(11:56):
where a guys say, for example, said, is the is
the world an actual matrix? Is it like the matrix theory?
And of course, you know, like the movie The Matrix.
Are we plugged into the machines and we're just all
hallucinating all this stuff? Well, the AI said, well, here's
the matrix theory, and yeah, we could be in the
We could be in a matrix. That's a logical conclusion.
(12:17):
And of course it suck this guy in for weeks
and weeks and weeks to the point where the AI
was telling him, you know, not only are we in
the matrix, but your neo you're one who could break out,
and you should test this by going to the roof
of your building and seeing if you could fly. And
(12:38):
that's that's a very very it's creating these delusional state,
either many delusions or massive delusional states in human beings.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Larry is your Twitter account that Larry Ward and your
website is Larry Ward dot AI?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Is that you?
Speaker 3 (12:54):
That is me?
Speaker 1 (12:55):
You don't look anything like what you sound like. Have
you ever been told that before year? If you look
a lot younger than you sound, you sound a lot older.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You know, I mean that as a compliment, not an insult.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I'm an old man. I'm fifty three, but but I'm Italian.
So I got these uh, I got these Italian jeans
that keep Facilian jeans that keep me looking at.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You and I have that in common. Mom's very Italian,
even though I don't have an Italian last name. Italian Thanksgiving,
what's your favorite thing on the dinner table?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Listen?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
My brother, my brother from another Larry Ward. Go look
at his website right now. Larry Ward dot AI a
conservative who's an expert on artificial intelligence. Definitely a great
source of information on this topic. This is Kenny Webster's
Pursuit of Happiness on KPRC nine fifty, Houston,
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