11-17-25 The Nightcap with Gary Jeff Walker

11-17-25 Nightcap

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello, Howdie, what was on? Welcome to the Nightcap on
seven hundred w l GJ Doves sitting down for another
three hour tour. It's the interview show that you will
not want to miss, and I hope you don't miss
a minute of it because it's going to be stellar tonight.
Just great guests and you first and foremost, a very

(00:27):
depressing football weekend for me, not only your Bengals losing,
but my Chiefs, my Lions. I'm just glad that Vanderbilt
had a bye week in college football, or Hilseid could
have been four for four of misery. But there's always

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next week. Right Week eleven is done and maybe so
is Jamar Chase for next week's game against the Patriots.
Not good news, and sorry Bengals fans, but get that
out of the way. It's just football. What about what's
going on every day in our country with Democrat socialism

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not as popular as you may think, even with the
election of Zorammandani in New York and that weird chick
in Seattle. But I mean that fits Seattle, doesn't it.
We'll discuss this and more the Epstein Files, the one
eighty that President Trump has wheeled around just this past

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week and with the realization yet there are enough votes
in the House of Representatives to release all these Epstein files,
and now the President says, yes, please do it. I've
got nothing to hide, which I thought all along. Among
those are the topics we'll be discussing tonight again, a
stellar panel, not the least of which the wild Man

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and I can't wait to hear his level of frustration
and gou with another bad Bengals loss yesterday in Pittsburgh
to the Steelers. But on the bright side, Peter Bronson
will be our first guest here in just a few minutes.
He's got a brand new book out, and Peter's books
always do well. It's always a great thing for local

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history buffs. When Peter delivers his latest tome, and this
one is a little bit different, we'll discuss why. And
then I like to get Peter's opinions, pick his brain,
so to speak, on matters that we report on all
the time at current events and news and stuff. So
Peter sits in with me for the balance of this hour.

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Also doctor Jim Waite. He was a former Northern Kentucky
dentist who married a woman from Ukraine. And I remember
talking to doctor Wade on this program actually several years
ago before or the Russian incursion, the latest Russian incursion
into that country, and him being in Ukraine, and you

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talked about the corruption in the elections in Ukraine and
obviously dealing with much different circumstances these days. He has
been recently. He is going back this week to war
torn Ukraine and we'll get some eyewitness accounts of what
he has seen and what is going on inside that

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country with the Putin's hordes at their door. We also
have Walter Herbst, who is another JFK expert on the
assassination now some sixty three years ago. Pete Schen from
the Epstein Justice Project. Peter Shen will be joining us
as well. I hope you stick around for all of it.

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It's the Nightcap, and we will begin with our first guest,
the one and only Peter Burnson, in just minutes here
on seven hundred w l W. Step right this way

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for Peter Bronson. And no, it's it's not a reducts
of Breakfast with the Beatles from two thousand and eight
ear anything on the Fox, but the Fab four appropriate
relating to the title of Peter's latest book, Peter Bronson
in Studio. How you doing, man? Very good? And you
glad to be here? Great to have you always? This

(04:39):
is like content gold for a nightcab great great, Well,
I love it too. Magical History Tour is the name
of the book, Murder, Mystery and Buried History. I should
have brought this out on Halloween. Yeah, well maybe I
love I love the the cover with the covered wagon
and the cattle and the backdrop on the front of

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the book. And there is a bonus inside this book,
ten places to discover Cincinnati History. And that has been
your forte and that has been what you've focused on.
Oh man, I love it. And I tell you what.
Every time I have you on and you've got a
new book out, there are people who absolutely respond. They

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hear it, and not because anything that I do or
this show does, or this show reaches, but because it's
so compelling when they hear what the book is about
that they have to dive in, especially if they're they
consider themselves either a fishinados of Cincinnati local history or

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if they or they don't know much about it, and
it instantly opens the door for them that you know,
they might not have knocked on if they had not
heard about that.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
And I love finding stories that people don't know about,
great stories of local history. This place, Cincinnati is so
rich in history anyway, but things like who burned the
Supper Club.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
In nineteen seventy seven?

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Or did you know Cincinnati was attacked by Confederates in
eighteen sixty two and barely survived. The South nearly took
a northern city and that would have been the only
one and they didn't quite do it, and that story
is great. Or did you know the story of who
was Matt Anthony Wayne? How did he save the entire Midwest?

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Now, Peter's just referred to three of his other books
that we've talked about, Yeah, that you may have in
your possession. So this one, you did it kind of
a different approach. You wrote short stories for five different
items of Cincinnati history to take the Where did that

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concept come from? Did you just think, Okay, I'm going
to do this differently this time, or you know, I've
got to come up with a new angle.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
It was really having so many threads to follow and
so many good stories to tell, I couldn't I want
any one of these might have turned into a book,
but it was more fun doing a lot of them,
doing five and then turning them into short stories. And
short stories are pretty cool because you can get into
the topic and really treat it nicely and then move

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on to the next one. And I think a lot
of people are enjoy short stories because in our maybe
our ADHD world today, people are less inclined to sit
down with a really big book. So I'm going to
try it out and see how it works. But I
really like the idea of collections of short stories.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well, you know, I even enjoyed when I found a
copy of your for Pete's Sake, the collection of columns
that you did in the Inquirer. Well, thank you. I
you know, I thought that that was and for my
attention span it was perfect. Yeah, one page. But as
you're saying, though, people have a lot better chance at

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holding on to each story. And then this this bonus
tour in here in the magical History Tour ten places
to discover Cincinnati history, and uh, let me just uh so, yeah, idea,
there are some that are pretty well known.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, but they're not We're not talking about the Museum Center,
which is fantastic, or the Taft Museum or the or
the Art Museum or things like that, which are all fantastic.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
That goes without saying you've got the smaller museums.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, I'm looking at places that people don't know about
that that that are right there in your neighborhood. Things
you can discover that will really help you understand our history.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
I'll tell you what one of the It wasn't in Cincinnati.
It was on a trip that I and christ Christ
and me took to northern Ohio and we passed through
the town of Fremont, oh Yeah, which was the home
of Rutherford B. Hayes about that and the Rutherford B.
Hayes Home that he built. Just walking through that was

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such a great trip back in time and just I mean,
it's a little little place outstanding. There's so many things
that you can find and find out about in these
kind of out of the way. Now this is a
presidential historical site there, but and there's a museum along
with it. We didn't even go to the museum. We

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just went through the home and it was worth Oh yeah,
I love those.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Those historical society homes are often like that too, where
they have furnished it like a time capsule. Oh yeah.
So you walk in and you're seeing how people lived.
You're seeing the furniture there. You're back in the eighteen
eighties and you see these little chairs and you go, wow,
they were small people, and they were. But so another one,
as long as you're on the topic of presidents, is

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William Henry Harrison. To him over on Mountain Nebo near
North Bend, and it's up on a hilltop. It's a
spectacular tomb. William Henry Harrison was quite a fantastic story.
I mean, the guy was. He fought with Matt Anthony
Wayne at Fallen Timbers. He was there for the Treaty
of Greenville that settled the Indian Confederation for good. And

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then he eventually became president. And he was the shortest
president in office because he fell ill with probably pneumonia,
and died almost immediately after taking office after he was inaugurated.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
But he lived this rich and exciting life.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
And then while I'm looking at that, I find out
right across the road is this little cemetery. It's called
Congress Green Cemetery. And this has a really interesting story.
So William Henry Harrison's son, John Scott Harrison as an
elderly man, a grandfather. He died suddenly in his sleep,

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and the very night he was buried by his family,
grave robbers came and took his body wow, and they
hired the family hired the Pinkerton detectives from Chicago to
find out where this body was. And it was a
fascinating sort of mystery and detective story of how they
tracked it down and where they found it and why

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they found it and what was going on. Apparently Cincinnati
in those days was like the hub of body snatching
for the whole Midwest. They were shipping bodies all over Columbus. Well,
they gave him, they were shipping him to medical schools
who would pay for these fresh bodies so they could

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teach students to dissect them so they could learn anatomy.
And they had absolutely no ethics around it. They would
just take anybody. They mainly preyed on the cemeteries that
were devoted to paupers and to the black population, in
other words, people they thought no one would care about. Exactly.

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Only this time they made a mistake. Was the president's
son and the father see William Henry Harrison was also
the grandfather of another future president, Benjamin Harrison, So two
of them in the same family. So this was not
only the president's son. He was the father of the
future president. And they found him downtown in Cincinnati. There

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were reports in the newspaper that some strange goings on
in the early morning hours that night where some package
that looked a lot like a body was dropped off
at the Ohio Medical College, which was right downtown near
the Convention.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Center where it is today.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
No kid, yeah, it would have been right near the
Cincinnatian Hotel. And so they've got the Pinkertons and one
of Harrison's sons whose father's body is now missing. And
the irony of this is they went to another funeral
the day after they buried their father, and they went

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to just pay respects at his grave and they saw
it had been plundered, it was torn.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
And can you imagine how that No, I can't even fathom.
I mean, you're grieving already, sure, and it's like it's
like he just died again. Yeah, yeah, uh. You know,
Cincinnati may have been the hub in the Midwest, but
it happened famously with Abraham Lincoln's tomb in Springfield, Illinois,
where his body was was snatched. Unbelievable. Wow. And I

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don't know if they were looking for a medical college
cadaver in that particular case. I think the the sediment
was so strong about Lincoln at the time and what
he had presided over. You know, I'm not sure if
they were Southern Confederate sympathizers or if they revered him, and.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
They had the same problem with his assassins the people
at involved in the conspiracy. So when they had them
all hanged, they concealed from the public for many years
what happened to those bodies, and so people couldn't go
and dig them up and find out what.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
So.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
You know, the other thing that I ran across while
I was doing this is I've always wondered about when
you go to a cemetery and see those mausoleums that
looked like little banks and with bars on the windows.
And that's why they were building mausoleums, is because there
was so much body snatching going on, really, so to
protect your loved one and so to just complete the circle.

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The body of James Scott Harrison was finally recovered hanging
on a rope in a dark shaft at the Ohio
Medical College where you can just imagine the smells and
the sites they went through to find this. Yeah. Yeah,
we're on the nightcap and we don't want to give

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people nights.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
No.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Well, but so they find the body and they eventually
reburied it and you can now find it in the
tomb with William Henry Harrison at the monument where it
is behind bars.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Well, you know, they say that the Barack Obama Presidential
Library looks a lot like a mausoleum. I wonder how
many bodies are buried there. Yeah, well that's a good one. Well,
we'll have to figure it out once they finally spend
a lot of money and and get it built. So
when you do your research for these books, Yeah, where

(15:36):
does it initially begin? I mean, after your after your vision,
after your imagination for what you want the book to be,
and what you're going to go after How how do
you find this stuff?

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Well, a lot of times people who are readers will
send me emails, or they'll call me up or send
me a letter they maybe enjoy. I had one of
my other books and said, but, by the way, did
you know such and such happened in my neighborhood, or
I've also been out speaking to a lot of historical
societies and various groups. So I do book signings maybe

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once a week through the winter, two times a week.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Whoever you know needs a speaker and they want to
buy some books, and I'll go out and sign them
for them. And so a lot of times people in
the audience will raise a hand and say, hey, by
the way, I want to tell you about this story
that you'd love, and I just I pick up a
lot of them that way.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Talking to Peter Bronson on the Nightcap brand new book,
Magical History Tour is out. Now, how do you discern
between when you're doing the research on these these history books,
how do you discern between what is an old wives
tale or what is an offhand kind of just supposition

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and what is the truth? I mean, how do you
drill down and get that and decipher Well, it's partly
my newspaper training.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
So being a newspaper editor and columnist for my entire career,
I learned how to source things and verify things, and
to do the research and to find primary sources, which
is the.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Well, that's one thing if you're researching a current event,
news story, Uh huh. But when you're going back two
hundred years, two hundred and fifty years, I would imagine
it's painstaking to get either confirmation or to cast something aside. Yeah,
the Cincinnati Museum Centers archives in their historical division down

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there in the lower level is fantastic as a resource
because they have all coming they're pretty trustworthy.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Oh, fantastic because you can find the primary sources. So
the other thing I use a lot is newspapers dot com,
where I can go back into history and find the
actual news stories that were published after John Scott Harrison's
body went missing. So this was quite a sensation in
the Cincinnati Press, as you can imagine, and so you

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can look up the newspapers. Now, the accounts in the newspapers,
even as they do today, don't always agree on the facts,
but you can pretty much suss it out and piece
them together and figure out what happened. And then, of
course I'm just going online. This is the golden age
of research. You can find things with a few strokes
on a keyboard that used to take weeks at a newspaper.

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So you just plug it in start doing some random searches.
And you'll be Surprisedgraves dot com. We'll find you cemeteries
and you'll find you a lot of information about some
of the people that are buried.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Well, as my friend Dave Hatter says, and AI is
being popping up more and more in these searches. Yes,
just remember that AI sometimes hallucinates. So in fact, I
like that that's occurring more and more.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
So, B you got to be care yes, And I
can honestly say, there's a place to check when you
upload your book to Amazon. There's a box to check
and it says the question is have you used AI
in the production and research for this book? And I
can honestly say no, I do not use AI. Yeah,
I don't trust it. I just think it's a lazy
writer's way around doing things. You know, it's pretty easy

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to ask a question and have a whole paper presented
to you on some topic by AI, right, And I
just don't. I don't feel right about that. I'd rather
do it myself. There's so many things, little side roads
that branch off from the main one. You're taking on
these topics and you stop and you go, man, that

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looks interesting. So you take a tour down that road
and it's amazing which you find.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Well, you know what's amazing about what you just said,
I related to me in that doing this show, doing
the interviews. Yeah, is that's easy. It's all the time
I take, curating guests and figuring out who I want
to have in scheduling and booking and trying to track
people down. Yeah, that's the work. And you like doing

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the work. I do. I love the research. It's the
next best thing to writing.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
And it's so exciting because it's sort of like a
treasure hunt combined with detective work. And sometimes you'll be
working on a story. One of these stories is about
Cincinnati's first serial killer. And I was following this story
and I'm reading the newspaper's accounts and I'm of the time,
and I said, wonder.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
About that prosecutor. He sounds interesting. So I started researching him.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Lo and behold, I find out this guy, this prosecutor
who prosecuted the first serial killer in Cincinnati, was also
a guy who flew in the hat and the ring
squadron in World War One, which was Jimmy Doolittle squad Wow,
pardon me, Eddie Rickenbacker, not Jimmy Doolittle. Doolittle was in
the squadron, but it was Eddie Rickenbacker, the ace from Ohio.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
And you can't make this stuff up. And then you
find out not.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Only that after the war he went over to Indianapolis
five hundred where he drove and worked in the pit
crew with Rickenbacher. That's crazy, and this guy became the prosecutor.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Hold it there. We got another half hour to fill.
Peter Bronson with us for the whole hour. The book
Magical History Tour. More on that, and we'll play a
little random word association when we come back into the
second part of this first hour on this night tap
from Monday night, November seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Peter Bronson

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is our guest. The book is Magical History Tour, Murder, Mystery,
Buried History. Five short stories about real Cincinnati history that
I just thumbled through, had no knowledge of it all.
And Peter highlights this with great research. We were talking
about all the in depth study and research and sifting

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through things to find out what's really real and what's not.
And three Snake in the Garden, Yes, what's snake in
the garden?

Speaker 2 (22:04):
That was a fun one, so if you drive out
near Harrison, Ohio, there's a little place called Whitewater Shaker
Village and it's abandoned but is probably one of the
best preserved Shaker villages in the USA. And if you
stop at the cemetery down the road, which is not

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very well populated, because the Shakers were celibate.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Yeah, which probably led to the fact that they don't
exist anymore. Exactly.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
So they had this big cemetery, it's like two or
three acres, but there's only about a dozen graves or
headstones in it, and you're going, well, they didn't think
that very well through. But what it says in the
middle of the cemetery is a big monument and it
says the Shakers, the Whitewater Shakers were community.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Of celibate Christian Communists.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
And this is from about nineteen fourteen. So the interesting
story here is a bit of a mystery. Two women,
a mother and daughter, both described universally as strikingly beautiful,
were banished from the Shaker village in Whitewater and were

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sent to Cincinnati. That was the nearest place they could go.
They had no real skills that could be marketable, and
it was almost impossible for a woman in those days
to get any work except housekeeping. And so they came
to Cincinnati, and what do you know, about a week later,
they are both found dead in a hotel room. And

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the question is what happened to these two women, the
mother and daughter. It's a really interesting thread that I follow.
I think that it's been a mystery for years. It
has always been dismissed as a suicide. But the suicide
is a little bit sketchy. So the cause of death
at first, on the surface was morphine poisoning. And so

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where did these ladies get that and why? And what
was going on that made them take their lives? If
they took their lives, it's a short story three in
magical history. Yes, So that mystery is unraveled and tied
up in that story.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
All right, little word association, Peter, Sure, because I appreciate
your take on things political and otherwise I'll try and
keep up with you. All right. What comes to mind
when you hear the term democrat socialist, Well, that's really
just kind of communism light.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
It's just like progressive when people got tired of being
called liberals and they said we're going to be progressives.
Now now they don't like being called progressives anymore because
that they've stained that. And now democrats socialism, they're going
to wear that out in a hurry. In New York,
look at it's socialism on the slow train. It's communism

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in the slow lane.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
I heard a news report earlier that in the city
of New York, the Democrat Socialist charter list eleven thousand
people out of eight million. Wow, a million people voted
for Zooran Mandani as a self confessed Democrat socialist. But

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this happens all the time with communism. And in the
country of communist China, only ten percent of the populace
are card carring Communist party met.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Really, so you've been doing your research and well, Democrat socialists.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
The woman in Seattle, Katie Wilson, who just won the
mayoral election there Democrat socialists proves on her parents' money.
Who lives on her parents. It's easier to be a
socialist when you have Zoran never had a job up
until like a couple of years ago, isn't it just
so appalling? And there were eighty thousand Democrats socialists in

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the whole country, Wow, eleven thousand, But It always starts
with a very radical, small fringe group of people who
somehow hoodwinker convince a majority that their way is right,
even though once they find out what they're really about,
things turn out terribly for everyone.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Oh yeah, free stuff, but free stuff, free buses, free childcare,
free everything, rent control. I mean, this guy, he's promising
all kinds of things he can't deliver. It's I mean,
I think it goes really back to Bernie Sanders.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Well, I think it goes back even farther. And let
me explain this, Peter. I think it goes back to
the fact that capitalism isn't a failed system. It's the
fact that it's been perverted. Free market capitalism been for
perverted by socialism for the last hundred years in this country.

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It's been a slow grind, and the more we saw
of a welfare state, the more we saw of even
medicare something like that social security. People look to government
for answers that only God can provide, and only they

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themselves can provide or should provide under the guise of
the system itself, the republic. In other words, this is
not a failure of capitalism. This is this is an
extension of the socialism that has been slowly grinding through
our culture and society for a century. Well, and do

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you think that the more the more government supposedly gives
or provides the answers, the more that they're expect to
do so, even though they fail miserably at providing the
answers every time and in a lot of ways.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
It seems to me if you look at your history too,
the socialist approach is to destroy a given system so
that it can then be taken over by the government. Yeah, so, really,
you take a look at Obamacare, what it really was,
It's it's a bridge to nationalized health care. Because what

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you're going to do is you're going to destroy the
private system that provides.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
The best, which is exactly what.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Exactly And so if you can just completely throw wrenches
in the in the cogs of that and destroy it
till people are so fed up with it, and then
what do they do. They turn around and blame that
It's it's the private market. It's the free, free enterprise
system that failed, though it wasn't. It was the socialized
effort to reform it that failed. And now people, you

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wait and see, maybe not while we're living, but maybe
later on people are going to end up turning to
a single pair government issued healthcare like the horrible systems
in Canada and the UK. Oh you know what I'll
like in it? This is my next one, Peter, digital
ID that the UN is calling for. That starmer in

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Great Britain just last week said without the digital without
signing up for the digital ID, oh that's fine, you
won't be able to work. Oh great, So that's happening
in Great Britain. That's a lot like the social credits
and the Big Brother stuff that's going on all over
the world and was actually really gaining on us until

(29:37):
the latest presidential election. I mean, if we had seen
Harris as president, all this stuff would be much worse.
It would be a lot like Canada is today, I think.
And you know, the irony here is that I would
be willing to just hazard a bet that the same
people who are calling for digital ID do not want
ID for voting.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Well, it's like being surprising. It's like the real idea
we're required to have now to fly in a plane,
commercial airplane. Yeah, real ID. Joe Biden's administration purposely flew
millions of people with no ID no vetting around the
country in commercial jets to spaces cities all over the

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country with no ID, and yet American citizens born here,
taxpayers have to show their have to show their papers exactly.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
And I think the long game there is that you
want these people without IDs so that they can vote
in elections and give a permanent majority to the demos.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
The other thing about New York City, you do not
have to show an ID to vote. Boy, and the
mail in voting, I mean, it's all part of the
same thing.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
I guess the Supreme Court decision on that should be
very interesting because they're going to have a test case
on mail in voting, which is one of the biggest
open doors for fraud in our election system certainly. So yeah,
I mean a universal idea.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
I don't like the idea. What's next, we get a tattoo.
The President over the weekend flipped the script turned to
one hundred and eighty degrees on the Epstein files because
he saw the writing on the wall. It was going
to pass in the House, regardless of they're trying to

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not get that to pass. And now the President says
he and he's always said, and I believe he has
nothing to hide as far as you know. Well, that's
what the emails that have been released pedophilia or human
trafficking with Epstein go. He kicked Epstein out of mar
A Lago for his behavior.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
For being such a SkELL guy. Yeah, way back when.
What I have heard from people like my Rep.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Thomas Messy is that the President was reluctant because he
didn't want some of his donors to be embarrassed. Well,
that's certainly a possibility. And he did say back in July.
President Trump did say back in July he said a
lot of people who did nothing wrong are gonna get
dirty because they sent an email to Epstein. So I

(32:12):
mean there's some logic there. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
So in these emails, one of the things that the
headlines that I've been reading in the Wall Street journals say,
emails are released and Trump is mentioned a lot.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Well, what it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Tell you is that in these mentions, people are coming
to Epstein and asking him if he will help them
sabotage Trump.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yes, by come on out and tell everybody how dirty was.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
And Epstein is replying he didn't do anything wrong. And
Epstein hated Trump because he'd been thrown out of mar
A Lago. So if he had something to use on him,
he would have used it absolutely, And and it's impossible
to believe after all this time, after two impeachments, all
these investigations, that Jack Smith witch hunt, all of these things,

(32:56):
Mueller's witch hunt, that if they had something, they wouldn't
have viewed it by now what are they waiting for? So,
I mean, honestly, I don't think Trump personally has anything
to worry about, but yeah, I can see how some donors,
some fat cats, Bill Gates, a lot of other people
are mentioned in those Epstein files, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton,

(33:17):
and Hillary. Yeah, and Ohio's most wealthy resident, Les Wexner,
is prominently featured in there. I mean, I've read some
stuff about that that's really knocks your socks off. It's unbelievable.
Why did he give Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over

(33:37):
his entire corporate empire?

Speaker 1 (33:39):
What was going on there? Excellent question? All right? Next,
the president's campaign of war or rumored war against the
drug cartels.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
What do you think I think that even what we're
seeing with the protests in Mexico City that are going on,
that even the people of Mexico are beginning to catch
on that this that has become a narco state.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
And we were kind of plus go farther south. Venezuela
is a narco state, there's no question.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yes, yes, I mean Pablo Escobar ran narco state in
Central America. I mean, it was unbelievable, it was, and
we were kind of comfortable with that as long as
it was enough zip codes away from us and we
had enough borders between us. But then when the borders
open up and you see what it's doing to Americans
and how many have died. I mean, honestly, we're seeing

(34:35):
unbelievable amounts of deaths and we never read about more
people have died of More Americans have.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Died of fentanyl poisoning than died in the Vietnam War,
in World War two, Wow, in World War One. Wow.
That's shocking, and we don't we don't read anything about it.
If you if you discount Civil War, in every other
war since, more Americans have died of fentanyl poisoning than

(35:05):
all those wars combined.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Well, you know, as far as I'm concerned, we know,
as long as we know that these boats are running
drugs and they're packed with drugs, and it's easy enough
to find out, and I would hope that our intelligence
gathering apparatus can determine that and make a finding in Hey,

(35:28):
you fool around, you find out.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Well, the one thing that we don't want is obviously
another Vietnam, right, an undeclared war that Congress doesn't you know,
give the ok too. Yeah. And the situation with Venezuela
is it's like right there, Yeah, it's pretty close. And

(35:51):
Maduro obviously is a criminal who stole an election.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yeah, and running a narco state, doing as best to
sabotage our country and our security, propping as many as
Americans as possi, propping.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Up terrorist organizations like Trendy a Ragua and yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
And shipping as many as possible, you know. Speaking of
that border thing, I was of the opinion that one
of the biggest risks of the open border with Mexico
is that it relieved all the pressure on their government
to reform and clean that up, because as long as
people could vote with their feet and just leave the country,
there was never going to be any revolution in Mexico

(36:33):
to clean up their government and stop the extortion, the bribery,
the corruption, the narco terrorism, and now finally that we've
closed the border, look what we're seeing. We're seeing protests
in Mexico City. People are gonna they're gonna shape things
up in Mexico, I think because they don't.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Have anywhere to go now right we cut off their
relief valve.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Yes, steam is building up for the pressure cooker. The
lid's gonna blow off. Okay, so one more.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Uh. And it relates to affordability and how do we
find that again? What's the answer that so many people
are turning to the government to make things affordable government
grocery stores, of fixed rate housing and all the other
nonsense that Mom Donnie is preaching that will not work

(37:29):
ultimately but is attracting, especially so many younger voters. What
can be done to make things more affordable? And is
it really a self fulfilling prophecy when you see Americans
credit card debt for example, and the living beyond your means?

(37:51):
I mean, you know, I had a pastor talking a
sermon about how it's important for us to live within
our means. Yeah, So what's Peter Bronson's answer to affordability
which is the new word for equity? Or whatever.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, first of all, I'm suspicious of that it has
become coined by the press as a way to justify
Mandami's election and say that there's this widespread dissatisfaction in
the country. I don't think that's true. I think what
you're talking about is New York. If you've been to
New York, you know it costs you like fourteen to

(38:32):
fifteen dollars for bottle of coke, you know. I mean, yeah,
they have an affordability crisis. We have an affordability crisis
in housing because we've had millions of people displacing the
housing for the people that are here paying their.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Taxes, another consequence of the open border exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
And we've had a runaway inflation because the Biden administration
was just printing money. And so, yes, do we have
an affordability problem. Yes, I think it's heading in the
right direction. The other day I saw gas prices down
to two seventy eight. You know, that's a good thing.
That's that's where your affordability because fuel oil and by

(39:09):
the barrel has an effect on everything, food prices, travel, trucking,
everything is delivered by fuel.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
And so I think we're going to see some real
positive out.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Scott Best was on the rate on one of the
talk shows over the weekend and talking about how the economy,
now that we've got the government shut down behind us,
the economy is going to take off and things are
going to get a lot better, and I believe that's true. Meanwhile,
people have to be patient. I know it's hard to
say for those who are really struggling, but really a

(39:42):
lot of things are looking much.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
We live in such an instant gratification society that will
they be patient enough where the first or second quarter
of next year? That's the question.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
And I think the media is going to do everything
they can to make people as imp as possible by
by beating this affordability drama, which is their new toy.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
And if it's not that, it's something else. So don't
pay attention to the media.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
No.

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Walter Herbs with another JFK book coming up in minutes
into another hour of the Nightcap here on seven hundred
WLW and joining us Lusiman for in this half hour

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is the author of Yes, yet another book on the
JFK assassination. And when I say that, it doesn't mean
that I'm bored with books on the JFK assassination. It
just means there is a proliferation of them out to
this day, sixty three years or sixty two years after

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that day in November that changed the nation and changed
the direction of geopolitical affairs worldwide, the assassination of a
president John F. Kennedy. This gentleman has worked extensive This
is his third book on JFK. He has done just

(41:48):
piles and piles of research. I don't even want to
try and imagine the work that has gone into these.
He's done decades of intensive, comprehensive research and covering the
truth behind the assassination of JFK and related topics like
the rise this is interesting, the rise of the radical

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right in the twentieth century. I'm sure he's aware of
what's happening in the twenty first century, the attempt to
contain communism, and again the first was a volume one,
Volume two, it did not start with JFK. The decades
of events that led to the assassination of John F.

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Kennedy Junior. And the latest book is Last Resort, Beyond
Last Resort, the JFK assassination, the need to protect wes Berlin,
and why a second invasion of Cube It never happened.
Please welcome Walter Herbst And how are you, sir?

Speaker 3 (42:44):
I'm well Gary, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Oh, thanks for being had. As we like to say, now,
first and foremost, I always have to ask the motivation
behind wanting to do all this research and wanting to
write these books on something that there were so many
Americans who are adults today who weren't alive and maybe

(43:12):
weren't even living the first time Ronald Reagan was elected
president in this country? Right, what's the motivation to continue
to do the research and to shine a light on
what you believe through your research really happened and why
it happened. What's the deal?

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Sure? Okay, Well, I was six years old when JFK
got killed, too young to have an opinion on what happened,
right or wrong, so accepted the Warren Report. Did that
through my twenties, scept did the Warren Report until a
friend who kept pestoring me gave me a book called

(43:54):
was David Lifton's book about the autopsy and in the
Events surround You. And I read that and it was
like it hooked me because something's wrong. We've been lied
to that there was a conspiracy. There's too many questions.
So from that point on I began researching, and as

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I got to most recent in my last book, Last
Resort Beyond Last Resort, which the title that comes from
William Harvey, who was in charge of CIA assassinations, and
he called assassination last resort beyond Last Resort, which I
think applies to the JFK assassination because where most authors

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or many authors who think there's a conspiracy think it
had to do with creating an invasion of Cuba or
trying to be a catalyst for an invasion of Cuba,
my research took me in a different direction. Not that that's
not true, that is true. But there was a group
that was worried about what would happen to Berlin, because

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if we invaded Cuba, the Russians would move into Berlin
and possibly jeopardized Western Europe. And there was a group
as a last resort, They last resort, in my opinion,
killed Kennedy to prevent that invade him from happening.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
And these are i C I a people.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Yeah, not the CIA as a group, okay, but it's
a group where it's at the CIA. There are a
number of individuals centered in in in Europe. There was
William Harvey, who I mentioned previously, who was at one
time station chief in Berlin. There was James Angleton, who
became CIA counterintelligence chief, who during World War Two was

(45:43):
stationed in Italy and uh and and and afterwards as well,
Frank Widner in various people like and others. But they're
also European monarchists or fascists, some of them who were
who were ex Nazis, who works with the CIA.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
Following World War.

Speaker 5 (46:03):
Two, and they got together and it's you know, it's
something that hadn't just happen by accident.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
There's a fellow named Jean Pierre Lafitte, who has a
date book, who's controversial date book will grant you, but
it's it's a narrative of or chronological narrative of the
plot to kill JFK. And I think it's real, and
it follows how these individuals eventually wound up directing Oswald

(46:41):
and how they killed the President of the United States.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Well, I just talked to doctor David Mantik, who has
done as you may may be familiar with his work,
He's written several JFK books and his expertise as a
doctor of radiation on collegist in looking at the x rays,
close looks at the autobiography, X rays show that JFK

(47:08):
clearly was shot from the front, not as we were told,
no doubt in my opinion.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
So I mean, look, but if you look. Even an
issue of Life magazine came out very shortly after the assassination,
and keep in mind that the brutal film was not
released until early nineteen seventies for the public to see,
so no one was going to see it, right, And
the author of that article, Paul Mandel, says in Life

(47:36):
Magazine that JFK turned around and faced the sniper's nest
and the sixth floor of the Texas school Book Depository
waving to the crowd and was shot in the throat.
And we know that never happened, right right, And he
never turned around and faced behind him. In fact, if
the brute from shows him getting shot his arms go

(48:00):
up with his elbows out, he'd never At that point,
he's not waving anymore.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
And they yeah, it's it's hard to weigh. It's hard
to wave when your brain dead.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Yeah, well that's exactly, I mean, it kind of. It
does have its limitations. Yeah, but there's so I mean, look,
there's so many things about just go to the evidence
that they found in the Texas school Book Depository that
they used to uh, basically convict Oswald. They say they

(48:34):
found two give me three shells on the sixth floor,
it's the sniper's mess. Well they didn't. They found two
shells and a live round on the floor. And there's
a photo in the Warrant Commission report that shows clearly
two shells and a live round. But in addition to that,

(48:57):
when the police picked up the evidence and they wrote
reports and they say they handed over to the FBI
two shells and a live round. The FBI transferred it
from one to another, same thing. Jaeger Hoover wrote a report,
same thing. It was only until the FBI or you
and the Dallas Police found out that one of the

(49:19):
shots missed the limo hit a curb and a splinter
from the curb hit a bystander named James Tagg that
they realized that they have one shot that that's on
accounted for muse. Initially, Hoover had said one shot hit
hit John Connolly, one shot hit Kennedy, had one shot

(49:40):
hit hit him in the back, and that no longer
so they needed a third shells. All of a sudden,
Captain Fritz of the Dallas Police Department mysteriously found the
shell with with with a dented hand on it and
submitted it and that became the mysterious magically the third
shell to explain how Kennedy was killed from the rear.

(50:03):
And the only thing is they never considered two assassins.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Why what what?

Speaker 3 (50:09):
What would have been? What? What I mean? There's so
much confusion about the autopsy. If you're I'm sure doctor
Mantin talked to me about this. But the back wound,
there's a back wound in Kennedy's body that they could
not probe it was not a through hole, right, they'd
used the probe, they used their fingers.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
It only went so far, okay.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
And then they found out that a bullet was found
that Commission Exhibit three ninety nine, that pristine bullet, the
magic bullet was found on a stretcher. And they said
out during during the autopsy, or excuse me, during the
examination in Dallas, they must have done cardiac massage and
the bullet worked its way out and this is why

(50:55):
we have this bullet. Well, it turned out that couldn't
be the case. They didn't know a trachy out of
me done to Kennedy's throat, and that it obliterated a
bullet hole that they would have seen otherwise.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
So there's so much evidence that, I mean, the virtu
The gun was originally identified as a Mauser, not a
man lyincher carcana. So the police identified it as a Mauser.
And this is nineteen sixty three Dallas, right, so they
know guns. One of the police officers used to own
a sporting goods store. He wrote an Affidavid very detailed,

(51:29):
explain this is the mouth. Okay. Well, eventually they found
out days later that Oswald had ordered a man lyncher Forrcanne,
so that there was no correction thing. We were mistaken.
There was no Affidavid following up thing. It's a man
nay r Conno. They just made it an lyinch carcana.

(51:54):
So for some reason they had this man Lee Harvey
Oswold had to be a killer, all right, And I
mean it goes on and on. There's that the the
scene of the Tippet murder.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
You know what, Let's let's let's let's hold right there
with the Tippet murder and come back. Walter Herbs is
our guest. The book is Last Resort, Last Resort Beyond
Last Resort on the JFK Assassination. I'm fascinated. I want
to know more, and we will find out more in
just a few On the nightcap on seven hundred w

(52:30):
l W once again talking with Walter Herps, the author
of Last Resort Beyond Last Resort, the JFK assassination and
uh and it includes the need to protect West Berlin
and why a second invasion of Cuba never happened. Let
me ask you, Walter, is it true to that perhaps

(52:53):
our involvement in Vietnam would have been greatly reduced had
John F. Kennedy lived throughout his his first term.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Well, I believe so. I mean, he was on record
near the end of his first term saying we have
to get out of Vietnam. And he said to Mike Mansfield,
congressional leader, that.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
We have to do this.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
We said the mation, damn sure, I'm re elected, because
unless I get reelected, its not going to happen. Yeah,
and no, Kennedy was consistent in that. And this is
where the Berlin angle comes into it, o getting. I mean,
this is something that most researchers haven't looked at, but

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throughout Kennedy's presidency, Berlin always came up Bay of Pigs.
He was, you know, his advisors and said, well, you
know what, if we go into the Bay of Pigs,
Russians might take might take Wes Berlin. Which is why
Kennedy was so careful not to involve the United States
directly in the invasion. Same thing with when the Berlin

(53:59):
wore went up. There were those that thought he should
we should use nuclear weapons against against against the Russians,
and of course Kennedy would never do that. And in
Vietnam as well. I mean, he worried about whatever he
does there would affect Berlin, and so that's why he
sent advisors that in never military troops. So he knew

(54:21):
he had to get out. And you know, in nineteen
sixty three he signed a nuclear test ban treaty with
with with with the Russians, and of course that was
after the missile crisis, and missile crisis seared him and
khrush Chef, and so he gave them a famous speech
at American University in June nineteen sixty three where he

(54:42):
talked about the United States and the Russians. He said,
he said, we all want to protect their children's future.
We show us the air we breathe, and the basically
the Russians are so moved by it that they they
actually broadcast in Russia the entire speech. And so yeah,

(55:06):
so he was, he was, we would not have gone
into viet Nom. And that's on the present. Sure he
already started. He pulled a thousand men out and Robert mcnamaron,
Secretary of Defense, was meeting with military leaders. They give
me a plan to get out by nineteen sixty five,
and they would drag their feet and he would continue
to push push on these people. So, I mean that's

(55:27):
just one of the groups that Kennedy faced so much
animosity against him within the government and with an outside government.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Well, to call Kennedy a Democrat in light of today's
Democrat Party, it's kind of a misnomer. He was a
very conservative man. I think.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Look, I agree with you. The definitions are conservative and
the liberal seems to be the same. But the definition
of conservative today and back then was different. Even right wing.
I think the definition was different. I mean right wing
transcended party line because there were so many factors that
went into it. Women, basically anti communist, maybe a pro segregationist, uh,

(56:12):
racial segregationist.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
And so there are people on both sides.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Of the aisle that would before that certainly and in
those days on the left side of the aisle give
the disocrats right and throughout the South who were basically
I mean the editor uh of of of the Dallas
Borne News, Deally whose whose his father and grandfather, Deely Plums,

(56:37):
was named after, and right after Kennedy became president, they
went to visit him and him and a number of
other journalists, and he accused the Kennedy but he said,
the world is looking at you, and then you're riding
around on Caroline's tricycle. We need, we need, we need
a white knight on a shining horse to come in
and take charge of things. They did not respect the president.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Well, I'm still anti communist? Am I a right winger? Then, Walter, Well, if.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
You are, I am as well communism as from the
minute it reared its head. And go back to George
Keenan in the nineteen forties. It was an American diplomat
in Moscow. I think it was the left r that

(57:27):
asked him, give me a summary. What do we have
to be afraid of? Because as the war was coming
to an end, you know, there were those that didn't
trust the Russians that had turned out rightfully. So we
put together a five thousand word telegram and he basically
said that their objective was to destroy democracy, destroyed the

(57:48):
United States, and just put communism instill it throughout the world.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
And it's.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
You know, he was Rice.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Well, Walter, yes, that's still the plan today.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Well, very much so. I mean you can see it
happening in our country now that it doesn't happen like
in an aggressive onslought it happens in drims and drags,
and you get you just get a little bit, a
little bit, a little bit mixing. You know. It's it's
it's it's taken a foothold.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
And now, there were there were many people in the
United States at the time Kennedy was president who thought
he was a communist, that anyone who tried to normalize
relations with Russia or China, which he was willing to do,
considered a communist. And certainly the missile crisis, well, who
considered his greatest moment. Uh, there were those at the

(58:49):
time who looked at it and said, what are you doing.
You're you're agreeing to take missiles out of Turkey and
then a unilateral unilaterally took them out of Italy at
the same time, and and you agreed with that with
the Castro's uh, or you agreed to never invade Cuba again.

(59:10):
So uh, but that's that. It was throughout his entire presidency,
you know.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
What I mean.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
He was blamed that the Bay of Pigs are not
allowing air sure, right, so and Vietnam of course, as
you mentioned, so so yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Well real quickly, my time is now limited because I
probably stumbled around with too long a question, Walter, But
the final question is what role did Lee Harvey Oswald
play involved?

Speaker 3 (59:43):
He didn't shoot anyone.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Period. The evidence we have, if you take it, we
have people on the street sort of two people up
on the sixth floor, while we know Lee Harvey Oswold
was on the first floor eating lunch. And one of
the reasons that there was a person who had an

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epileptic fit on the curb at in front of the
Texas school Book Depository.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
So when they asked some of these witnesses, when when
did you see these two people? And they said that
when that person was being treated by an ambulance.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
And they heard the broadcast over the ambulances radio saying
that the limo was approaching daily play at such and
such a street, so they could narrow exactly what time
it was. Well, they knew at that time there's two
they're seeing two people upstairs and Oswald's downstairs.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Walter Herps, the author of Last Resort, Beyond Last Resort,
the JFK assassination, the need to protect West Berlin, and
why a second invasion of Cuba never happened. Thank you
for your time. Sir, fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Thank you for having Gary. Thanks very much for having me.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
You bet the Nightcap rolls on in minutes, joining us
in this half hour of the night. Is the associate
director of the Epstein Justice dot Com. He has an
extensive background in the US Air Force as a trainer, journalist,
adults educator. Also served as an executive officer for the

(01:01:14):
Continental Norad Region Air Operations Center as a liaison between
the Secretary of the Air Force and US Senate appropriators.
His name is Peter Shin. Epstein justice is our topic,
and boy, there's been a lot of movement in the
Epstein case and the files just in the last day

(01:01:34):
or so. Peter Shin, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
How are you.

Speaker 6 (01:01:38):
I'm well, Gary, Jeff thanks for having me, and you're right,
it's been a busy weekend in terms of action on
the Hill, certainly related to Jeffrey Epstein and all of
the files associated with his investigation, the investigations that have
been done into him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Well more importantly, even more importantly, perhaps seeing the writing
on the wall, the President has done on one to
eighty on what he thinks of the importance of the
release of the Epstein files and has said, yes, they
should all be released. That happened yesterday.

Speaker 6 (01:02:13):
It certainly did, and it's a welcome development and one
which I am delighted to see. And I think all
right thinking Americans agree with the President that there's no
reason that these files should be kept under lock and key.
Let's put this information out into the public domain and
then maybe we can get some answers to some of

(01:02:33):
the questions to which we've been seeking for a long time.
So from my standpoint, the President did the right thing.
And maybe it's just a political thing, but I don't
think so. Look, there's been no evidence that's surface that
has linked President Trump to any of Jeffrey Epstein's crimes,
other than perhaps some background knowledge of them. And maybe

(01:02:57):
that's enough for some to say that President Trump ought
to be thrown out whole sale. But from my standpoint,
the reality is that President Trump is now in a
position to do what I think he's always wanted to do,
which is factually put to rest any of the claims
that he and Jeffrey Epstein were committed any crimes together,

(01:03:20):
and I don't think there's any evidence of that, and
I think President Trump knowing that himself finally relented. I mean, look,
the guy does not like to have his back pushed
against the wall, and that's what this discharge peedition was doing.
It was pushing his back against the wall. He doesn't
like that, so it's not surprising that he reflexively opposed it.
But upon thinking about it, the President, a wise man

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in many ways, especially politically, realized that this issue was
not going to be a winner for him and he
needed to get on board, and he wisely did so.
So I praised President Trump for his decision and think
it's only a matter of common sense.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
My congressman happens to be Thomas Massey of the fourth
District in an House of Representatives, who famously has opposed
the big beautiful bill the President has called out for
primary ing, and Thomas Massey is the man who pushed
the petition in Congress to get these released and what

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has led. He's the one leading the charge. A Republican
and a very conservative guy, and does somebody that I'm
proud to say I voted for, but often has been
in really in the big picture, he votes with Trump
and the Republicans ninety one percent of the time, but

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then these small issues that are amplified because of Trump's
designated importance, like the Big Beautiful Bill. He differed with
the President, and now he's been a part of this
drive in Congress in the House to release these files,
and he was successful.

Speaker 6 (01:04:50):
Ultimately well and because ultimately it's about a lot more
than just politics here. Yes, as you know, you know
reality and the reality is that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
And this is why we at.

Speaker 6 (01:05:02):
Epstein Justice dot Com are pushing so hard for transparency
in this matter is because at the end of the day,
it's really not about politics. It's about one ensuring that
people who have been victimized by this person, who everyone
agrees is perhaps one of the greatest monsters to ever
emerge from American life, that the victims of this monster

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actually get some measure of justice.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
And that's really what it boils down to.

Speaker 6 (01:05:29):
And even if that justice doesn't amount to criminal convictions
for others, the least it could be is public humiliation
and the public exposure of those who were involved in
Jeffrey Epstein's crimes.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
Maybe it's too late.

Speaker 6 (01:05:48):
To actually put people in jail, but it's certainly not
too late for people to be exposed as the creeds
and monsters that they were and are.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Of all the conspiracy surrounding Jeffrey Epstein is life and
his death, his crimes and the aftermath, what do you
make of the people who you conspiracize. I'm a grammarian.
I just made that up. I think conspiracize that Jeffrey

(01:06:16):
Epstein didn't die in the prison cell, that he's actually
been whisked away somewhere because he's a CIA CI and
he's an informant, and you know, all of these other things,
and the fact that President Trump may have been a
CIA informant at one time, and the dog that hasn't barked?

(01:06:37):
What do you make of all the conspiracies? Is the
release of these files finally going to put an end
put to bed these conspiracies or is it going to
in your opinion, is it going to spark even more Peter?

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
In my opinion, it will put it to bed.

Speaker 6 (01:06:55):
And the real issue that needs to be put to
bed more than any other Gary Jeff is not whether
or not in Trump for whether any specific person was
involved in these crimes. The real question is was a
foreign government intelligence agency behind Jeffrey Epstein and what appears
to a casual observer to be a sophisticated honeypot operation

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in which he would have underage girls available to people
who expressed an interest in such.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
A thing and then filmed them.

Speaker 6 (01:07:25):
Because we all know, or perhaps maybe your listeners don't know,
but anybody who's familiar with this case knows that all
of Epstein's many properties were literally wired for sound and video,
so that he captured literally hundreds of gigabytes of files
of people interacting with the people that he was trafficking,
and those files are in the possession of the FBI.

(01:07:47):
Hundreds of gigabytes of surveillance from Jeffrey that Jeffrey Epstein
himself commissioned on his own properties. That surveillance is in
the hands of the FBI. That ought to be released,
obviously with appropriate protections for victims. But there is absolutely
no reason why the surveillance materials that Jeffrey Epstein himself

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elected should not be put into the public domain.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
It's not a big surprise that the British Royal monarchy,
for example, has pretty much excommunicated Prince Andrew, who was
implicated in some video and has been created in the
past as one of Epstein's biggest clients. You talk about
people in other countries, in foreign countries being involved, and

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I'm wondering if that somehow because of diplomacy, diplomatic reasons,
the reason that Trump was perhaps shy about the release
of all the information because it may hurt us politically
with people we're trying to make deals with.

Speaker 6 (01:08:50):
I think that that's probably true. But on the other hand,
how is that actually more important than finding out whether
or not our political system has been compromised by a
foreign intelligence honeypon operation, which is what we could be
talking about. I don't know if we're talking about that,
And that's really what it boils down to. We talk

(01:09:12):
about conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists, but what that really
means is honest people with legitimate questions that haven't been
answered because we don't have the information because powerful people
don't want it out there because they don't want to
be embarrassed.

Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
It really does.

Speaker 6 (01:09:30):
It's not much more complicated than that. This is really
a story about powerful people trying to avoid being embarrassed publicly,
like Prince Andrew. And what has Prince Andrew really suffered? Oh,
he has to move from one luxurious set of quarters
to another luxurious set of quarters. He's no longer able
to be called his Royal Highness. Oh geez, what a

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pity for the ex Prince. No, he faced no real
consequences for his behavior, and that's really what the problem
is here, Gary jeff I think for the average American
is that there's been zero accountability for any of Epstein's crimes,
and now we can't have accountability from Epstein. Maxwell is
in for some reason, getting some kind of cushy treatment

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in the least severe federal prison that you can.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
Be sent to.

Speaker 6 (01:10:18):
And so there's just a sense that, like so much
else in American life over the past twenty thirty years,
that there's simply no accountability for people, especially wealthy people,
who appear to be.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
Able to do whatever they want and get away with it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
That's all part of the continuing class war. Really, Petershin,
if you will indulge me, hang on for one moment
or two, we'll take a break and come back and
wrap this up. Peter Shin as our guest from the
Epstein Justice dot com. And it looks it looks like

(01:10:53):
we're closer and closer to getting some justice and some answers.
It's the nightcap, and we'll be right back on seven
hundred WLW.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
Again.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Our discussion is with Peter Schinn for the next few
minutes from Epstein Justice dot com. He is the associate
director thereof And Peter, I understand, just off topic for
a moment, you have a quite an extensive career in broadcasting,
which almost fascinates me. I've been in this business now
for longer than I want to mention, forty five years,

(01:11:26):
and you were actually in farm broadcasting. Tell me about that,
just for a minute or two.

Speaker 6 (01:11:33):
Well, sure, I was an agricultural broadcaster. I got into
that kind of role by accident. I answered an ad
in a newspaper that's a true story about in nineteen
ninety six, and they were looking at the time for
a part time farm assistant. And I didn't know anything
really about production agriculture. I'd spent some time working in
the fields as a kid in New Mexico and in Ohio,

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but I certainly never run a farm. But what I
found out is that agriculture is an absolutely fascinating industry,
and of course it's one that is absolutely vital to
this nation because without a farmer, you don't need and
so I really enjoyed that aspect of my life. But
I was also an Air Force Air National guardsman, and

(01:12:16):
so I had an opportunity at a certain point to
leave my career in farm broadcasting to go return to
active duty. And that's ultimately what I chose to do.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Oh God bless you. You know, you were a farm broadcaster,
agricultural broadcaster in Iowa, which is my birth state, and
I come from farm stock, although I never picked up
the plow myself, so that kind of is near and
dear to my heart. In two thousand and eight, you

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are selected to provide leadership, communications, problem solving, and critical
thinking skills which sometimes are sadly lacking in our society
for various reasons today at the US Air Force Officer
Training School. And then you deployed to the Iowa National Guard, right.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
Well something like that. You know, it's a complicated.

Speaker 6 (01:13:07):
Our military is more complicated than most people imagine, right.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
So we have an active duty component, we have an.

Speaker 6 (01:13:13):
Air National Guard component, or are a national guard component
Army and air, and we also have a reserve component,
at least many of the services do. And so if
you're a service member and you're on active duty, that
means one thing. If you're in the reserves, that means another.
And so really what happened was I was in the
Iowa National Guard and then I got a chance to

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go on active duty. Now I'm still affiliated with the
Iowa National Guard, but now I'm in the Air National
Guard of the United States, operating under Title ten, which
is all complicated, and what it really means is that, hey,
you've been put on active duty, but you're still in
the Guard. You're not a regular Air Force member. So
there are these kind of administrative nuances that really don't

(01:13:55):
mean anything. At the end of the day, you're still
on active duty, you're still wearing the uniform, You're STI
getting a chat.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
But I was never disaffiliated with the.

Speaker 6 (01:14:02):
Iowa National Guard, if that makes sense. But what happened was, yeah,
I went back I trained officer candidates. The Iowa Guard
called me up and said, hey, look, we got a
big army deployment and we have a public affairs position
that we need somebody to take with this little tiny
agribusiness unit that's going to Afghanistan.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
Would you be interested?

Speaker 6 (01:14:21):
And I said, well, I've never been a public affairs officer,
but I know a lot about agricultural and broadcasting, and
I know how important this.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
Mission is and I'd be happy to do it.

Speaker 6 (01:14:30):
And so I went and interviewed with the Army six
who was running the mission, the Agribusiness Development Team, and
I convinced him that I could do the job, and
so he brought me along and that's how it went.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Well, let's get back to Epstein Justice for just a moment.
The victims themselves. Is there any idea how many there
may be, and how many may still be alive? And
how would they be made whole by the release of
this information?

Speaker 6 (01:15:05):
These are good questions. I will tell you that the
Department of Justice estimates Jeffrey Epstein's victims to number more
than a thousand. Now that's apporting to the Department of Justice,
and I believe that to be a roughly accurate figure.
We're talking about hundreds and hundreds potentially of children and
also some young adults who were harmed very seriously by

(01:15:31):
Jeffrey Epstein and Galaine Maxwell and their associates. How would
the release of this information help make victims whole? Well,
first of all, it might help them feel as if
the federal government was actually interested in justice for them,
and it is less interested in.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Covering it up.

Speaker 6 (01:15:53):
That might be one way in which they might feel
less like victims and more like people who are supported
by their own government. That would be one critical factor
that I think would be very helpful to victims.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
And it's worth noting Gary Jeff.

Speaker 6 (01:16:08):
That Epstein victims themselves are calling for the release of
this information, and they're calling for it because of the
very reasons that I've said, How can they possibly get
any kind of closure when, in fact, the reason that
alex Acosta in testimony before the House Oversight Committee, and

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alex Acosta is the one time US attorney and current
director of Newsmax who made the agreement with Jeffrey Epstein's
attorneys that allowed Jeffrey Epstein to go essentially unpunished for
a child sex trafficking network that the Palm Beach Police
had him dead the rights to well, alex Acosta made

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the deal.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
That let him basically walk free, right, and.

Speaker 6 (01:16:57):
And what alex Aposta has said is that the reason
we didn't prosecute him is because the.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
Victims are liars. That's what he said.

Speaker 6 (01:17:06):
We didn't believe them, we didn't believe they could testify effectively, we.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Didn't believe the victims. That's what alex Acosta has testified to. Well,
if we.

Speaker 6 (01:17:16):
Get this information out there, maybe, just maybe we might
believe the victims in this case. And the thing is
that this is the thing Gary Jeff. The American people
all ready do believe the victims. It's just that the
huge problem that we have in the country is that,
for reasons unclear, the federal government to this point, and

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specifically the executive branch, have not been willing to comply
with the will of the American people to disclose this
information up until now. President Trump let the effort to
propose it. Now he says, let's get it out there,
and I say, yes, President Trump, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Well, I mean, hasn't even been in office a whole year.
He's accomplished all whole lot in less than a year
as president. And this will be added to those kudos
if it all goes as planned and we get this
you know, this closure, whatever that may mean for whomever. Epstein.

(01:18:17):
Justice dot Com is the website and the place where
you can find more of the work that Peter Shin
and his group of folks who care about the victims
of Jeffrey Epstein and want Justice are doing and you
can find out more there anything else real quickly to add.

Speaker 6 (01:18:36):
Peter, well, I know this is a crass, but you
know we're a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization. We're not interested in
taking political sides on this. We just think it's the
right thing to do for everybody. But we could use money,
so if you'd like to donate, we'd welcome that too.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
All Right, fantastic, thanks for your time tonight.

Speaker 6 (01:18:57):
Thank you, Gary, Jeffin always good to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Yes, Sir Peter Shin Epstein Justice dot Com. Just afternoons
a man who has spent extensive time in Ukraine and
is going back again. We'll find out why and we'll
find about his connections to this country. Doctor Jim Waite
is next on the Nightcap into yet another hour of

(01:19:24):
this Nightcap on Monday, November seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Our
next guest is a guy that I had the pleasure
of meeting several years ago. He was an acquaintance of
someone that came into the bar while I was bartending,
late the late Jim Sawyer or saw Bones, and we
both knew him as quite the character. But he introduced

(01:19:47):
me to doctor Jim Waite at that time, and he
had been on this program in the past. It's been
a few years, but he popped back up at the
bar last week and I said, you know, we're doing
another conversation on the radio on my show, Jim, what
do you think? And he was agreeable to that. And
he has a lot to report back from Ukraine and

(01:20:10):
he is going back to Ukraine tomorrow to continue the
work that he has been doing there over a span
of several years. He is the head of Laser Care
of Northern Kentucky. With Laser Care of Northern Kentucky, his
history was as a dentist. He quit the dentistry finally,

(01:20:33):
and he is doing fine work now for people with
no downtime, no surgery, for all kinds of melodies that
affect many of us. And it's great to have him
on the show once again. Doctor Jim Waite, how are.

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
You hey, I'm great, Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Ye know, the first time that we ever talked, you
talked to me about you were headed to Ukraine because
your wife was from Ukraine. She was working with family
there and kind of stuck and you were making multiple
trips to Ukraine as a result of that, and it
became your second home country. Basically, you talked about the

(01:21:13):
corruption in politics. You know, you think that we're rife
with corruption in this country, and we are, but nothing
like what happened or has happened in Ukraine over the years.
And then President President Zelenski got a rude wake up

(01:21:34):
call when President Putin of Russia decided that he wanted
Ukraine back for Mother Russia. And we're in the middle
of this, embroiled in this awful war of aggression by
Russia and the Ukrainians right and ability to defend themselves,
and he's been right there watching it all happen in

(01:21:56):
real time. So number one, doctor Waite, is is this
a winnable war by Ukraine from the standpoint of driving
the Russians out?

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
Well, if you remember back when we talked and Putin
was massing troops, I said he wouldn't have I said
he won't invade because I know the Ukrainians and there's
just gonna be a lot of dead Russians. Well, he invaded,
and now there's a lot of dead Russians. And I
just read another a blog in a Russian blog today

(01:22:34):
from a guy named Strelkov igor Gerkin. He's the guy
that led the whole thing in twenty fourteen when they
first took over to don Bass in Crimea. And he's
just going off on how they just they have to
totally dismantle Ukraine and split it up between Poland and
Romania and Hungary and then take what they want. So

(01:22:56):
the Russians are, you know, full bore all in on this.
The Ukrainians, I don't know that they can win, but
the Russians certainly aren't. They're losing tons of people. And
I told you the story about the one soldier I
know that's thirty two, and he was telling about being

(01:23:18):
at Bakhmut and he had seven guys in his group
and another five guys defending a strong point and just
as like you and I are talking or we're talking
the bar or something, and he said, yeah, the Russians
had started coming and we'd start killing them, and then
they'd come again and we'd kill some more, and we
might kill five hundred in a day. Wow, just kind
of like that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
You know, Well, the great, the great tell the great
story You told me about the guy who was he
now he was off duty and you asked him if
he would re up.

Speaker 4 (01:23:51):
And what did he say? Yeah? What did he say? Well, yeah,
he actually saved his own life with a thing called
a sick tournament tournique si ch it's a Kassack word.
And then the people that I worked with rehabbed his
arm to ninety five percent used when the doctors said

(01:24:13):
he'd never use it again. But he's finally discharged, but
he said, I'm signing back up when we go to Moscow. So,
you know, great expectations. You can't imagine how much people
hate the Russians and these were their brothers, you know,

(01:24:35):
they all get family and people in Russia. The one
girl that moved here that had run the orphanage outside
of Kiev when they were shelling her village, Shiv out
of Patrisk and she talked to her family in Leningrad,
Leningrad Saint Petersburg and they said, Natalia, we're coming to
rescue you. And she says, what do you mean, We're

(01:24:57):
coming to rescue you from the Nazis and the fact
and she said, if you want to rescue me, stop
shelling me.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Yeah, no doubt, And what is life like on what
is life like on the ground for the people in
Ukraine where you.

Speaker 4 (01:25:15):
Are all in Kiev, it's almost normal until there's an
air raid or a blackout. Now, a year ago when
I was there, there was a blackout almost every day,
and most of them were scheduled because they were doing
repair work from bombings and so they you know, he
had have a four hours in some cases you'd have
to a day, and they were scheduled. And then now then,

(01:25:40):
until just the last couple of weeks, the Russians hadn't
affected the electrical grid, and even then things were pretty
much normal. All the restaurants bought generators and had them
sitting on the sidewalk, and if there was a black out,
they turned the generator on and people kept eating. So
it was, you know, for intents and purpose as it
was pretty normal.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
You know, there's there's been a lot, a lot of
destruction in the eastern part of the country. Obviously they're
in a.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
Brick on a brick, yeah, it's it's and they've destroyed
the water canals. They've started destroyed the water pipes the Russians.
Where the Russians have taken over in Donetsk, they're having
to bring in water trucks. People go without water, they're
going to be without heat in some cases, it's gonna

(01:26:30):
be it's a true disaster. And the Russians they're just brutal,
and they're brutal to their own people, and they don't
really take care of the citizenry.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Well, you also told me that the Russian army is
not compro comprised of people from Moscow or St. Petersburg.
It's from all the various regions that Russia has taken over.
And there are Muslims and there are other groups of
people just being thrown in like like cannon fodder by Putin.

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
Right, Yeah, a lot of doorats from which are Buddhists
from out around like the Call, and then others, and
then you get the Muslims, and then you get you know,
they got like one hundred and twenty nationalities and languages
and things, and and so the actual Moscow people casualties
are like less than one ten to one percent, and

(01:27:30):
they all pretty much exempt themselves. And then what they
do is they offer these huge bonuses for signing up.
They got seventy year old guys signing up. Now, guys
that they're walking with a cane and they're figuring, Hey,
I'm going to set my family up. I'm going to
get this big bonus. And then what they find out
is they steal your money and it's on an EVT

(01:27:54):
card and they steal them. The commanders steal the money,
and then when you're dead, they don't collect the bodies,
and so there's no benefit. We don't know what happened
the poor old Igor, you know, so we can't pay you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
So they're lying. They're lying to them to get more
bodies to throw into the meat grinder at the Ukrainians.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
Yeah, and now they're playing paying police and other people
recruitment bonuses. So they're going and getting alcoholics and all
kinds of guys off the street and they thing you
pass out on the street and they thing, you know,
you're in the army. But that's where they're fighting with now.
And the other thing is the commanders capture places on

(01:28:38):
what they call captured on credit. They send the guy
out with a flag, he plants the flag, they take
a picture, they report that they captured this village and
they get a bonus. Well, once the Ukrainians see that published,
well now you have to take it. So the Ukrainians
bulk it up, and now you're really get casualties because

(01:28:59):
you have to take it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
What do you what do you think the casualty rate
is you're talking about all of the dead Russians. Uh,
Are there equal casualties on on the Ukrainian side?

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
Kim, No, No, it's maybe one third to one fourth
on the Ukrainian side.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
That can't be.

Speaker 4 (01:29:18):
That can't really, they're still really high.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
That can't be good for Putin ultimately with the Russian people, can't.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
You You would think so.

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
But you know, there's nobody better at suffering than the Russians.
They got a real, uh, real knack for suffering. You know,
you see those commercials on TV of the grandmothers and
the really horrible conditions and and raising money for him,

(01:29:49):
and and you go throughout Ukraine and Russia and those
places are real. You go in almost any village outside
of a city and you know you've got some like that.
So these are hard people, both were Ukrainians and Russians.
You know, I told you the story of the grandfather
that was living in his basement and the Russians are

(01:30:11):
coming and the Ukrainians are pleading with him to leave
and he says, I'm not leaving and they go that disco.
The Russians will come and kill you. And he says
if they kill me, they'll know they killed the Ukrainian.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
In other words, he's ready to fight to his last
breath to defend us home.

Speaker 4 (01:30:29):
Yeah, we'll go down with the ship, but we're taking
a bunch of them with us.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
Talking to doctor Jim Waite on the Nightcap, who was
heading back to Ukraine tomorrow, we'll talk about some of
the work he has been doing there with all of
the casualties and the wounds that are happening and do
happen in battle. And there's a new technique that is
being used that's been around for a long time. But

(01:30:56):
maybe American doctors could take a page out of the
Ukrainian playbook when it comes to what we're going to
speak of next. Doctor Jim Wait with us on the
nightcap back in a moment. We are talking to doctor
Jim Wait. He's from northern Kentucky and is headed back
to is the second home country, Ukraine tomorrow. Doctor Jim, Uh,

(01:31:20):
there is a technique that you told me has been
used in dentistry, Uh for implants and the like, but
not in medical surgery for wounds. And you guys are
successfully using in Ukraine from for folks coming off the
battlefield and the wounds there. It's called p r F or.

Speaker 4 (01:31:46):
Light yeah richt okay, And and what.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
What is this and why is it so crucial, especially
in a war zone or where people are treating these
these wounds trying to save limbs and the like. What
makes it so special?

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
Well, people might be familiar with platelet rich plasma, which
major League pictures and people have been injecting in their
elbows for a long time. But the platelet rich plasma
has an antiquigulant, and so you draw the patient's blood,
you put in the antiquagulant to keep it liquid. But
because it doesn't clot, it only lasts a couple of

(01:32:29):
days if you leave the fiber and it will clot eventually,
and then we get an effect for up to fourteen days,
and then there's another way we can extend it to
even four to six months. So what happens is this
fibrin traps platelets and white blood cells and other healing

(01:32:51):
elements and proteins and different things, and then it slowly
releases them kind of like a drip irrigation to a plant.
For fourteen days, you're getting this drip irrigation of all
your stuff, and it's highly concentrated. So imagine taking everything
that God gave your body to heal with and concentrating
it by a factor of four and then being able

(01:33:13):
to inject it or put it right where you want
it to be to promote healing. So it's really great stuff.
The drawback to it is because there's no anticoagulants. You
have to draw the blood and get it into a
centrifuge in ninety seconds, and that's the drawback why it's

(01:33:34):
one of the big drawbacks why it isn't used much
in medicine. In a dental office, you know, you've got
a small office, you can walk across the office and
put it in a centrifuge, And for dentists that are
doing implants or periosurgery or those kinds of things, it's
like the best insurance ever. You get great healing and
it costs five dollars. You know, you've got a couple

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of test tubes and a collection kit, and then you
got some special centrifuge and some other things. But for
sports injuries joints injecting joints. Doctor Robert Tallick in Houston.
He came to the dental conferences from doctor Rick Myron
is the guy that did most of the research and

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pioneered this when he was in burn, Switzerland, and he's
been in Florida teaching it for about five years now.
And doctor Tallick went into the dental conferences, didn't tell
anybody he was an MD. And he's just been named
orthopedic to the Olympic team. And I've talked to him
a number of times and he said he's reduced his

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surgeries by eighty percent using injections. So if you look
at war wounds, they're always dirty. There's sometimes there's missing tissue.
You can't sew them back together. Sometimes you don't want
us so stitch them back together. So you can actually
make membranes, or you can do injections of affected areas

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with the plateletd rich fibrin and it's up healing and
then also has an antibacterial effects. So it's just great
stuff and it's easy to use, and it's the patient's
own blood. You don't have to worry about any kind
of reactions or any other things. So that's what we're
teaching over there, and they've been very they've been very

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good at picking up on it and finding ways to
use it. And I'm like, hey, guys, I don't know
what you did your orthopedic. I'm a dentist. I don't
you know. Tell me. I can tell you all about PRF,
but you're going to have to tell me how you
use it. Well, that mean great work.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
If more surgeons in this country could adopt that, it
wouldn't cost much to put a centrifuge within walking distance
of where they draw the blood for the patient. Maybe
the problem is it only costs five dollars and the
insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies aren't going to get great

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big kickbacks and make a lot of money off it.
Is that is that really the issue?

Speaker 4 (01:36:03):
Well, that could be part of it. Nobody it had.
It's an orphan in that sense, it has no uh
you know, parent to push it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:11):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
Now that if you look at the website that I
have Tubes for Life dot o RG all one word
Tubes for Life, there's about five results on there and
they're all wound healing results with most of them are
diabetics or with toes. So the people that are having

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having amputations and things, there's these pictures that are right
there on the on the website of people that were
scheduled for amputations and they're healed. They don't need an amputation.
They just needed some some treatment more than what they
were getting.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
So it's.

Speaker 4 (01:36:51):
And for you know, for whatever reason. Uh you know, uh,
the dentists know it, like I said, because anything you do,
if you're doing any kind of surgery, you look great,
man healed. Yeah, you know, it's like the best insurance
policy ever for five bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
But yeah, you were showing me pictures of these gravy
sucking wounds on people's bodies, on their feet and on
their hands and on their toes, and then the progression
of the healing is just amazing. With a simple injection.

Speaker 4 (01:37:27):
Some people, yeah, some people are on in some cases
making a membrane and just laying the membrane over it.
As if you take the liquid PRF and you put
it in a form or just a tray with a
form and let it set for fifteen minutes, it'll form,
it'll it will clot eventually, and you have this really
nice membrane that you can take out and just lay

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over the wound.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
And it becomes healthy human skin again. Ultimately. Yeah, yeah,
it's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:38:00):
It truly is. And in the joints the I work
with the Institute of Traumatology and Orthopedics in Kiev and
they've had tremendous results injecting joints. So where you were
so where you might be injecting joints with steroids, they're
injecting them with t r.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
F Tubes for Life dot org t U b E
s F O R L I f E dot org,
where you can see the pictures and see the results
of this incredible PRF therapy that doctor Jim Wade is
now doing in Ukraine with the Orthopedics and and helping
people fresh off the battlefield in that wartim country. I

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wish you godspeed and come back to us safe and
and I hope you'll be able to phone in an
update soon. But are time's done tonight?

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
Doc? Well, we may have a you may have an
international correspondent. How's that?

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
That would be awesome, That would be awesome. We'll work
it out DOT to Jim Waite of Again Laser Care
of Northern Kentucky and Tubes Forlife dot org on his
way back to Ukraine to help in a time of
trauma and war. Wow, the wild Man is coming up

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next round and third heading for home. As the old
left hander used to say. Only I'm not the old
left hander, and he's not Marty Brenneman. He's the wild Man.
Gary Jeff Walker with you as we close out this
Monday night cap. It's time for the wild Man's Corner
of Goo. The Goo continues through a horrible Bengals season,

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and but there are other things to discuss, and we're
going to discuss other things for a moment first tonight.
Hello wild Man, how are you.

Speaker 4 (01:39:49):
I'm doing great. I'm doing great.

Speaker 7 (01:39:50):
I'm in a good mood.

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
I'm in a good mood.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
Oh okay, Well we'll find out what that's all about
here in just a second. I guess we were talking
last week about the Reds Hall of Fame and how
the choices that we were given were number one, way
too extensive and did not include and maybe he should
have included some people in particular, and one of those

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people was the long serving clubhouse manager Bernie Stowe. Well
you sent me this today. He's been honored in twenty
twenty five in the MLB Clubhouse Manager's Hall of Fame.
Why is he not in the Reds Hall of Fame?

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
Wild Man, Well, that's a very good question, Gary Jeff.

Speaker 7 (01:40:37):
This goes back to when Marty Brenahan was inducted into
the Baseball Hall of Fame and wasn't inducted into the
Reds Hall of Fame, and then eventually was Bernie can't
be nominated because he wasn't a player. It's only for
players and executives. But again, you know, Marty was finally
inducted into the Reds Hall of Fame, and this is

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where Bernie Stowe should be inducted into the Hall of Fame.
He has one of just seven inaugural equipment managers honored
this year. I mean, this is this is the first
time honor and he is one of seven guys. I
saw the old Cubs clubhouse manager, Yosh Kwano. If you
remember Yosh, sometimes you would see him in the dugout

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wearing one of those bucket hats, and he had been
a quip manager for the Cubs forever. But Bernie forty
five years as the Reds clubhouse manager, he's seen it all.
And on top of that, before that, Gary Jeff He
was the Reds bat boy. I've got baseball cards of
him as the bat boy back in the fifties before
he was even clubhouse manager. So it's way over due
to the redinue. Go wake it up, wake up, get

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their heads out of their butts. And then Doug Bernie
Stow this year into the Reds Hall of Fame. When
I go to Reds and when I go to redsvest
in January, I'm gonna be raising hell about that to
a few Reds officials when I see him.

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
He was a part of four World Series winners with
the Reds in nineteen seventy and.

Speaker 7 (01:41:59):
Then the seventy five, seventy six to ninety.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
Yes, so I mean he and he played an integral role.
Everybody knew Bernie Stowe, and Bernie Stowe was the man
who made sure the players had what they needed equipment
wise and just player comfort wise. Anything he could do
for the Reds he was there to do and he
always did. And it's it's a family legacy that extends

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to this day.

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
I got no.

Speaker 7 (01:42:27):
Argument from me, man, Like I said, I mean, forty
five years he saw it all. If he wrote a book,
it would have been a New York Times.

Speaker 4 (01:42:36):
Bestseller of the stuff that he saw.

Speaker 7 (01:42:38):
But he kept his mouth shut. You know, you know,
what says in the club what says in the clubhouse
stays in the clubhouse. I mean, you know the Pete
Rose scandal. Who knows what else went on and went
on and we'll never know about that that Bernie took.

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
To his grave.

Speaker 7 (01:42:51):
But he really deserves to be and this should catapault
This should catapault Bernie into the Reds Hall of Fame
with this induction in Cooper Center.

Speaker 4 (01:43:00):
Really should they should?

Speaker 1 (01:43:01):
Well, if the Reds Hall of Fame is only eligible
for players in management, why is Marty Brenneman in?

Speaker 4 (01:43:06):
Wellness, there you go.

Speaker 7 (01:43:08):
Well, then they finally, well because Marty Brenneman got into
the Baseball Hall of Fame first, and the Reds went, well,
wait a minute, he should be in our Hall of Fame, right,
And then they made the right choice. Oh, I know
Marty Brennan, and I know Marty Brenneman would tell you
right now that Bernie should be in there.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
Oh sure, no, I can hear Marty Brenneman.

Speaker 7 (01:43:27):
Uh, with the you know, Hall of Fame, you know
that they've got the players, the nominees that they've had.
This is you and Bernie should go in with Francisco
Cordero and what Brendan Phillips. There should be three guys
that go in.

Speaker 4 (01:43:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
I agreed with you last week when you made the
case for Bernie Stowe to be a member of the
Reds Hall of Fame. So let's uh, let's switch gears.
I heard that you were recently seen in a Cyclones
hockey game. Is that true?

Speaker 4 (01:43:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:43:56):
I went two two weeks ago. Two weeks ago on
a Saturday, I ran into your rand to one of
your buddies. Yeah, Lou, Yeah, I ran in to Lou.

Speaker 4 (01:44:05):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:44:06):
Do you know that there's a man named Ken Carly
who was a volunteer and often works the penalty box
for the Cyclones, And he works with another guy named Joe.
There an older guy named Joe who's right now on
some kind of British Columbia train vacation with his wife.
So he didn't make the last weekend. But yeah, I

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know a bunch of guys who work Cyclones games, and uh,
I actually have a Cyclones connection besides you, and I
know that for years you were one of the big,
big time supporters, But you made it the other night.
Was there something special about the other night?

Speaker 4 (01:44:46):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:44:46):
Absolutely. The Iowa Highlanders were in town, coached by Chuck Weber,
who won the two Kelly Cups with the Cyclone.

Speaker 4 (01:44:53):
So I went.

Speaker 7 (01:44:53):
I really went because I wanted to see Chuck after
the game. And I saw a sault Chuck after the game.
I thought it, Did I send you a pick?

Speaker 4 (01:45:00):
Sure?

Speaker 7 (01:45:00):
I don't know if my dinner.

Speaker 4 (01:45:01):
No, No, But I saw Chuck.

Speaker 7 (01:45:03):
But I saw Chuck after the game, yes, And we
talked about, you know, why they you know, briefly, I'm
not going to go into it, but briefly about why
they didn't hire him when they had the chance to
bring him back and they decided to go a different direction.
And I'm not going to go into it. I'll tell
you off the air, but I'm not going to tell
you on the air because there's something private between.

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
Me and Chuck.

Speaker 7 (01:45:22):
But again, and of course, you know Friday night, Friday night,
I had to work the Indian Hill in the Hill
football game, so I couldn't go. And the Cyclones one,
I believe it was nine to two, and I think
I guess Chuck got into I got into the guys
pretty good because Saturday nights I'll return to favorite one
to seven the two. So so that's why I went

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to see Chuck. And they come back in March for
a two game series and I'll probably go either one.
Hopefully I go both games and see Chuck again.

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
I know you do the PA stuff for Indian Hills football.
How things worked out for Indian Hills this year?

Speaker 4 (01:45:58):
Wild Man, we're undefeated.

Speaker 7 (01:46:01):
Man, We're undefeated. We're now playing the semi final regional.
On on Friday, we played Valley View at Fairfield Stadium.
Valley View, I think they're out of Germantown. We had
an unbelievable game Friday night against Taff. I mean we
were dominating Taff from the outset and then we let Tam.

Speaker 4 (01:46:23):
Kind of get back in the game.

Speaker 7 (01:46:24):
Gary Jeff Taff is down on the one yard line.
The clock is winding down to the one minute mark,
and they fumbled the ball at the one yard line
and they went into the end zone and Jackson Fry
fell on the ball. That's a one in a million
chance that the game would end like that, fumbling the
ball in the one yard line. Take it in, gonna
win the game, and we recovered the fumble, took two

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knees and got out of there with the win twenty
five to nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
So it's been a pretty good darn sir season if
you're an Indian Hill football alum or player.

Speaker 7 (01:46:57):
Or it's been a tremendous season.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
Yes, they attribute any any of the success to you.

Speaker 7 (01:47:03):
No, no they don't.

Speaker 4 (01:47:04):
No, they don't.

Speaker 7 (01:47:05):
But but if the boys can go all the way,
I would think I would get a ring, he says,
I'm involved with the program.

Speaker 1 (01:47:13):
Well, you expect a ring if they win a state championship.

Speaker 7 (01:47:16):
Yes, I would expect a ring from my good buddy,
A Fling director Brian Phelps, just I would.

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
Will there be a lot of goo for the wild
man if you don't get a ring?

Speaker 7 (01:47:26):
I have no, I have no. There's no doubt in
my mind that the Indian Hill Braves win this, win
the state championship, that I will get a ring.

Speaker 4 (01:47:35):
There's no doubt.

Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
That's wonderful.

Speaker 7 (01:47:37):
Okay, then, and that'll be three rings I've had. I
got cyclones rings from the two Kelly Cup championships, and
then I'd have another one.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
For a football championship.

Speaker 7 (01:47:46):
And I should have had one this past year for
baseball and this year going in the baseball season. Uh,
there's a damn good chance that we could win the
state championship for Indian Hill Baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
The best announcer money can pay for wild Man at
Indian Hill this Friday night playoff game. This is a
semifinal round, wild Man.

Speaker 7 (01:48:07):
Yes, okay, your regional semi final against Valetvue at Fairfield Stadium.
So we don't really have to travel very far. You know,
the last two games because we won the Cincinnati Hills League,
we got to host two games at home. So now
we go on the road and go into Fairfield.

Speaker 4 (01:48:23):
It's nothing.

Speaker 7 (01:48:23):
I mean, we shall have a lot of fans come
out there for that game.

Speaker 1 (01:48:26):
All right, wild Man, I tell you what, Sit back,
take a break for a moment, and we'll come back
and talk about some other things.

Speaker 4 (01:48:33):
Yeah, I know what we're going to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
The wild Man on the Nightcap continues in moments on
seven hundred WLW with wild Man Walker talking about revenge
for last year's Indian Hills game against Taft. The Braves
got it back last weekend. In advance, as we were
talking about just a few moments ago, wild Man, what's

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happening with thes.

Speaker 7 (01:49:03):
W Where are you wanting to start well? One of
seven without Joe Burrow. They've now tied the record for
giving up twenty seven points per game. The record's going
to be broken on the Sunday when the Patriots come
to town. Because the Patriots are the best team. They
might not be, may might be the best team in
all of football the way they're playing with their MVP quarterback.

(01:49:25):
And then you've got, of course, the everybody's talking about it.
Everybody around the water cooler is talking about it. Jamar
Chase and Jalen Ramsey getting into it. Uh, Jamar Chase
spitting and then denying that he didn't do it, but
the camera cleary shows that he spit a Jalen Ramsey.
And I expect maybe a two game suspension only for
the fact that he denied it on camera that he

(01:49:47):
didn't do it, when the camera clearly shows that he
did spit Jalen Ramsey. And we know in the heat
of the battle the guys say stuff and push stuff
and then just say things. But you don't spit on
a guy. I mean, that's that's that's that's just so low.

Speaker 4 (01:50:00):
It's just so low.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
This isn't this is this is an old feud that
goes back to the Super Bowl with the Rams, doesn't it. Yeah,
between Ramsey and Chase.

Speaker 4 (01:50:12):
Right, I believe so.

Speaker 7 (01:50:13):
I don't know if it's a feud, but they you know,
they like to talk a lot. But you just don't
spin on a guy. Man, you don't do that. And
I don't blame Ramsey. Were coming back and punching them now,
punching him.

Speaker 4 (01:50:24):
In the face.

Speaker 7 (01:50:24):
Whether your hand is kind of dull, because that's why
that mask is there and you can break your damn hand,
but just you know, come on, that's just he's And
then to deny it, I mean, you know, he should
have just said no comment, to just spend no comment.

Speaker 1 (01:50:38):
That would have been the best way.

Speaker 4 (01:50:40):
I didn't spin on the guy.

Speaker 7 (01:50:42):
Just nineteen video show.

Speaker 3 (01:50:44):
That he did.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
I saw the video. I've seen, not Channel nineteen somebody
else's video. I've seen it. It's obviously happened, and Ramsey reacted,
maybe not in kind, but he reacted, and he's the
one that got thrown out of the game. The fact
of the matter is is this is so, this is
so against the character of what you usually see from

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Jamar Chase. I think that's the biggest shocking thing about this.
Jamar Chase is usually he may talk, but he's not
the kind of guy to highlight himself in a negative way.
It's usually in a positive way. And I think part
of that frustration was the fact that he could get
no traction and couldn't get the targets he wanted for

(01:51:29):
the routes he was running, and it all just builds up.
And I think that was out of character for Jamar Chase,
don't you.

Speaker 7 (01:51:37):
Oh, I think it's out of character. Yeah, but you
got to give the Steelers. The Steelers came out and
this time, instead of playing one on one, they played
his own and Zach Taylor had no clue how to
deal with his own defense great clue. On top of
that with this a lousy time management. So I'm sure
Chase was a very, very frustrated. But you just don't
go and spit on a guy. I mean, Gary Jemmens,

(01:51:58):
somebody spit on you. You retaliate in some way when
you at least push the guy, you know, when you're like,
you know, head button or something. I mean, that's just wrong.
And he's not gonna He's not he might get two games.
He might get two games for this because, like I said,
he denied that he did it when it was on camera.
I want it and go back to Jalen Ramsey, you know.

(01:52:18):
And then you're talking about how Jamorrow's got of a
low key guy. Remember Aj Green getting into it with
Jalen Ramsey. Yeah, yeah, I mean, Jay Green is pretty
much of a calm guy. But he got tired of
being you know, pushed around or hitting the back and
that kind of stuff. And eventually he eventually retaliated. And
I don't know if Aj Green got the sky. I

(01:52:40):
think he did. I think he didn't get suspended for
a game.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
Well, one thing leads to another, I mean, but Abby,
the common denominator in these these different incidents you're talking
about is Jalen Ramsey. Jalen Ramsey is doing something to
get under these guys who usually calm demeanor, usually good
temper men. Skin What's what's Jalen Ramsey doing behind the

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scenes that we can't see on camera, wild man, that's
the question.

Speaker 7 (01:53:10):
Maybe some of this will come out to light and
when when Jamar Chase has his hearing with the Director
of Discipline of the National of Football League.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:53:21):
But and then and let's say Jamar doesn't play on
Sunday against the Patriots. He might appeal and whatnot, and
it doesn't got it really gonna matter? And Gary, Jeff,
we have seven more, seven more games, seven more games
to watch. Oh and the only winnable games that I
see on the schedule winnable or Arizona and the Browns,

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that's it. If they're lucky, and if they they're not
going to beat the Patriots on Sunday, And that should
runton for all. Shut all these idiots up out there
that Joe Burrow should play.

Speaker 1 (01:53:53):
Yeah, I mean, there's absolutely zero reason to risk your
franchise quarterback. If you are well on your way to
being a five win team, what's the point? Why are
you going to push that point? And and and perhaps
suffer another injury by the guy who obviously matters more

(01:54:15):
than any other player on your team, Joe Burrow.

Speaker 7 (01:54:18):
And this, and this falls directly I think at the
bottom line, it's not Joe Burrow, it's not Zach Taylor.
Mike Brown has to make that decision. And Mike Brown says, Joe,
you're too valuable. I know you want to play. I
know you think you're you're healthy enough. The doctors have said, okay, no, no,
we got you know that the window is still there.

(01:54:38):
We don't need to get hurt in the season that
is lost.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
Yeah, I agree, I agree. So other than that, I mean,
they didn't show us anything different. Uh, the defense may
have bucked up a little bit compared to their previous Uh,
you know performances. Pittsburgh is not exactly a juggernaut and

(01:55:01):
Aaron Rodgers is not the player he used to be, obviously,
and yet uh, the Bengals once again got drubbed.

Speaker 7 (01:55:10):
And this time, well they couldn't they couldn't. They couldn't,
you know, make a play when they had to again
when they needed the defensive play, they couldn't make it.
And you saw a lot of lousy tackling once again.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
Uh in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
You know, wild man, wild man, I would settle for
lousy tackling. But there's been no tackling most of the
season by that Bengals defense. I'd settle for a lousy
tackling over the tackling or lack of tackling we've seen.

Speaker 7 (01:55:42):
That's they leave the league in miss tackles.

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
You know, that's not lousy. That's not lousy tackling. That's
no tackling.

Speaker 7 (01:55:52):
It's it's like I said that, they've already they've already
tied the record for giving up the most points and
now they're gonna set down record. Garantee, you you can
bet the house. You can bet your first born come
Sunday when they play the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
I saw our girl Caitlyn Clark at the Anaka Anika
pro Am last week, looking good on the golf course.
Wild man.

Speaker 4 (01:56:16):
I tell you what.

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
I think she's healed up and just looking for something
else physically to do, waiting for the next w NBA season.
But you know all about my girl, Caitlin.

Speaker 7 (01:56:26):
You know that, Well that would be nice, That would
be nice for that league.

Speaker 4 (01:56:29):
They could really use her.

Speaker 7 (01:56:30):
I mean this past season I chipped it out just
a little bit. But you I just want to watch
her play and hopefully she's healthy and ready to go.
And I think she made the right decision just to
sit out and get healthy, kind of like what a
guy by name of Joe Burrow.

Speaker 4 (01:56:43):
How to do. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:56:44):
Absolutely, you know, in the w NBA, it's not that
they're missing layups because of gambling spreads. They just like
to miss Layups.

Speaker 7 (01:56:58):
I gets what you're going after.

Speaker 1 (01:57:00):
Yeah, all right, wild man, it's always good to chat
with you, and thanks for taking time this evening. We
will we will rendezvous hopefully next Monday night again before Thanksgiving.

Speaker 7 (01:57:11):
Okay, yes, oh, let's keep beating the drum there for
Bernie Stove, for the Reds Hall of Fame, and.

Speaker 1 (01:57:16):
Beat it hard. Absolutely, you beat it hard on your
own time, wild Man. Thank you so much, and with
that we say farewell and good evening to you, and
we conclude with the playing of our national anthem, the
only national anthem, the Star Spangled Banner, now on seven

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hundred WLW