11-26-25 Mike Allen in for Scott Sloan

Mike Allen fills in for Sloan discussing the cost of Thanksgiving this year. The failed prosecution of President Trump's enemies, and violence in America.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Don't want to be an American idio.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
There's Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen in for Slowne today,
be in for Willie tomorrow. On today being Thanksgiving Eve,
I'm sure everybody's thinking about either getting out of town
for a little bit or just hanging around the house
with friends, stuffing yourself. That will be my choice this year.

(00:26):
It's a good holiday. I like it. It comes on
a Thursday, and almost everybody takes Friday off, but not me,
not this year at any rate. A lot going on
with respect to Thanksgiving. But the one thing that I
wanted to talk a little bit about this morning is

(00:47):
according to the President, Thanksgiving is going to be a
lot cheaper this year. This again is from the White House,
so you know, I mean, I think there's stuff accurate,
but maybe puffing it up a little bit. Retailers offering
their cheapest Thanksgiving meals in years. Walmart's Thanksgiving meal cost

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twenty five percent less than it last year, with its
lowest turkey price since twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
The meal feeds ten people, which works out to just
under four bucks a person.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Now, I've never priced anything like that, but that surprises
me that I thought it would be much even of
inflation aside, much more than that. But this thing from
Walmart's the meal feeds ten people, which works out to
just under four bucks per person. Leady l I d

(01:44):
Ella little. I guess that's a grocery chain obviously. Not here,
their Thanksgiving meal costs ten dollars less than last year.
In all these their meal costs seven dollars less than
last year. Lowest priced since twenty nineteen, Target, or Tarja
as we call it on the West Side.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
It's lowest price ever. As well, it looks like it's
the lowest price for turkey in over fifteen years, at
least according to the White House. So I mean some
good news there. And I'll tell you don't need a
newspaper or a news story to know stuff is expensive, man.

(02:27):
I mean, things are getting cheaper, but it's really really expensive.
I mean there's some times when I go to buy stuff,
I can't believe how much it is. But under President Trump,
it's trending down somewhat. So I guess that's a good
news in that. Let's see, Yeah, the Thanksgiving me twenty

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five percent less than last year. Again, I'd love to
know what's in that box. You know what I've done
a couple of times. I haven't done it in about
three or four years, is fry my turkey. Went out
and got one of those that looks like a small
garbage can thing. You fill it up with vegetable oil.
You've got to be really careful and you got to

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watch it put it in there. My recollection is, I
don't know, it's about forty to fifty minutes or something
like that. If you do it right, which I was
fortunate enough to do when I used to do it,
it is unbelievable and I want to do it again someday. Anyway,
if you've had an experience with that, I'd like to
hear from you. Seven four nine, seven thousand, eight hundred

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the big one are the numbers going to have open
lines from nine thirty to ten. So if you want
to weigh in on Thanksgiving or anything else for that matter,
you can do it. Then some interesting and I know
everybody does this, but I don't know. I think people
enjoy it. Some interesting facts about Thanksgiving and sing in

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a little bit the Native American view of it. It's
a national holiday and this is from AI. I'll tell
you what.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
I use AI a lot. I've found it to be accurate.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
They always give both sides of the coin, which you
can't ask for more than that.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
But anyway, according to.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
AI, Thanksgiving is a national holiday that some Native Americans
view as a national day of mourning because of its
origins and the historical oppression of Indigenous peoples, while Indigenous
People's Day is a holiday that specifically celebrates Native American
and other indigenous cultures and histories. You know, I don't

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have any problem with an Indigenous People Day. As a
matter of fact, I think we probably ought to have one,
but I think we ought to separate it from Thanksgiving.
Thanksgiving is what it is and what it's been for
I think goes back to eighteen sixty five.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
I mean, but.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
I got to be care for what I say here,
but I'm gonna say it. If ever there was a
group of people in this country that were screwed, it's
Native Americans. I mean, there's just no way around it.
And you know, through the years, I believe there's been
reparations to them and government support for a lot of things.
But what an incredibly proud people. And I don't know,

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I mean, maybe I think they've done this before, likeness
on a coin or something like that. But again I
say keep just keep it separate. Anyway, Thanksgiving with free
from the perspective of the Native American some of them,
not all, not all. I did my homework on this

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referred to it as a national day of mourning. For
many Indigenous people, Thanksgiving is a day to commemorate, let's
see the genocide, displacement, and cultural erasure of their ancestors.
This is why some refer to it as the national
Day of Morning or un Thanksgiving, and they hold protests

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and ceremonies. Well, I tell you something, AI, I've never
seen that. I've never seen a protest, and I watched
stuff pretty carefully from Native American people or anybody else
with respect to Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I mean, it's it's just not there. It's just not
there anyway.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Traditional narrative, I mean, the one that we have been
dealing with and believing for as long as I've been alive,
and well before that mainstream Thanksgiving story portrays a harmonious
harvest feast in sixteen twenty one shared by English pilgrims.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
And the wamp I want to get this right.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Wamp A no ogg try tribe. Here's the story, because
I've read a lot about this just in the last
couple of days. Apparently the and I just hope I
get this right. The Wampanoa tribe heard they heard some
gunshots coming from a settlement where some of the settlers were.

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And believe it or not, this Indian tribe or Native
American tribe whatever had an agreement, a mutual defense agreement
with the settlers, and so they rode in in defense
of the settlers. Well, anyway, whatever happened happened, and that's
when Thanksgiving feast happened. So I don't know, it's just again,

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I don't think we should screw with Thanksgiving being when
it is. But I have no problem with recognizing Native
Americans in this country. Now, I've done a lot of
research on this, and I did try to find a poll,
and I found one, but it was really old, a
poll that talks about whether American Indians prefer being called

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American Indians or Indigenous people. It was about fifty to fifty.
But you know, with respect to the you know, like
football teams and monuments and things like that, the numbers
are pretty overwhelming. Where Native American people could care less,
and some of them actually support it as a tribute,
and I don't know, I think that's maybe how people

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should look at it. Well, let's do this. Let's take
a short break. If you want to call, seven four nine,
seven thousand, one, eight hundred the big one are the numbers.
We'll get you on Mike Allen in for Slowey seven
hundred WLW, NWNE twenty one News Radio, seven hundred WLW,

(08:46):
Mike Allen in for Sloaney today and I'll be in
for Willly noon to three tomorrow. Yeah, I just mentioned
the Bengals game Thursday, Thursday at It's a night game
eight on NBC. Bengals Ravens. Here's the thing, and I'm
going to get to the calls here in just a second.
Maybe some of you had helped me with this too.

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Seven four nine, seven eight hundred, The big one are
the numbers. Okay, Joe Burrow apparently is going to start.
He wants to start. I guess he's chomping at the
bit from what I've heard and what I've read. But
I mean, I don't know. I guess my thinking is
this the season's gone. I mean, come on, there's no

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way they're going to get into the playoffs. They're just
not going to do it. You know, a Joe Flacco
has done one hell of a job. I mean, there's
just no way around that. I guess, why risk it?
Why risk it? I mean, you know, the Bengals for
better or worse, and I don't think it was for
the better. Pretty much. The team is Joe Burrow and

(09:51):
some receivers and that's it. They need to focus on
the defense. But I don't know i'd be interested in
what you think about that. I love watching Joe Burrow play,
but I also like watching Flacco play as well. So
we'll see what happens. But on the way in this
morning the news reports, words sounded that pretty definite. Okay,

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as promised, let's go to the calls. Randy, Hello, Randy,
Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
How you doing.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
I'm good?

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Happy Thanksgiving me, Happy Thanksgiving to you. Also, I just
wanted to comments that you had the reason that Walmart
Thanksgiving dinners or lowers because it's a lost leader, right,
we believe all this scrap coming out of the White
House instead of believe the companies that measure statistics and

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do this on a full time Pagen start out.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Hey, hey, Randy, are you out in the wind there? Oh?
There you are?

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeh, I am Could you just repeat your last sentence.
I'm sorry, I don't think people got it.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah. I was just saying that the reason that the
prices are cheap at Walmart because it's a lost leader right.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
To get people into the store.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Right. Yeah, I think we should say that the White
House is coming up with something that is really meaningful
and it's correct. Well, let me ask like everything else
that's comes out of the lighthouse.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Right, well, well, let me ask you something.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
If the situation were different, uh, and things were up,
of course, like they were under Joe Biden. I mean,
would you be saying, you know that, Hey, wait a minute,
you know it's not that bad and ain't Biden's fault.
I do understand what you're saying. And there's a lot
of puffery in this stuff, and I take that into consideration.
But what the hell? I mean, what's inflation at three

(11:40):
and a half percent? It got all the way up
to I think nine under Biden? And you know what
the thing of it is from. And I don't know
much about economics at all, but I think what I
do know is the president doesn't have a hell of
a lot to do with it. And if the economy
is good, the president reaps the benefits. If it's bad,

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the president takes the hits. I don't know, what do
you think about that?

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, I would agree with that wholeheartedly. I think the
reason that inflation was so high in the Biden was
because of COVID. People blamed Biden for inflation, but every
industrialized evopnation in the world was having record inflation, but
yet we blamed Biden for it. Well, but UK was
having inflation, China, everybody.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
I don't know that they had it as bad as us.
But you're right, Well, if you want to point the
finger of Biden, you're right. I mean, he puts so
much money. He just pumped so much money into the economy. Uh,
you know, the COVID packages and things like that. And
you know, I support people. I mean, I'm a problem
at all with him helping out, but all that dough

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into the system is one of the things that many
people say caused it. But at any rate, I sure
hope the damn things going down now. You do have
to admit gas prices are down substantially.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Well, That's another thing when you say that, you know,
we blame the president for the economic situation when they're
not responsible for it. It's the same thing with gas prices.
You know, we had the highest gas prices. People think
we had the highest gas prices under Biden. And if
you applied just a two percent inflation rate to what
we had in two thousand and eight under George Bush,

(13:19):
the average gas price would have been like five dollars
a gallon. And when people blamed George Bush in two
thousand and eight for the high gas prices, all he
did is he shrugged his shoulders and just I don't
control the gas prices. And that was the end of it.
You know, under Biden we got this whole thing about
gas prices. And another reason gas prices spiked so much
under Biden.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's just because reality that the president takes the blame
or gets the credit.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Hey, listen, I appreciate the call.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
Serious, seriously, Okay, than thank.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
You very much. You know, I like it when people
call and disagree with me. I don't get a lot
of that on Saturdays, but I try. Let's talk to
Rob in Lebanon. Hey, good morning, Rob.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
Good morning, Happy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Good to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
We doo.

Speaker 5 (14:06):
In the early eighties, I attended Colorado State and on
a work study program. So part of the deal was
I had to do work study jobs during the summers,
and they were on Indian reservations in eastern Colorado, and

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the land the reservations were on were rocky, difficult to
grow crops. They were the most respectful people I'd ever met.
They needed help to get groceries, they needed help to
clear fields, while there were thousands of acres around the

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reservations that were are very easy to grow crops on.
So I respect them, and I feel like our country
could have treated them a lot better than we did.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
I couldn't agree with you more, you know, And they do.
They have the casinos now, but that's not the be
all to end all. I do think they get a stipend.
Do you know what tribe you were just talking about?
If you don't, no problem. I was just curious.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
There were three different ones.

Speaker 5 (15:32):
One was Cherokee, and to be honest, I forget the
other two. But they living conditions they lived under were
not good, but they did the best they could and
they weren't negative about it.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
But anyways, they are very, very proud people.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
They are.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
And anyways, I give them all the respect in the world.
They had a tough road.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Hey, man, I'm with you. I'm with you, Rob. The
only problem is I'm bumping up against the news. Thank
you for the call, though, appreciate it. Yeah, I mean,
I do think we should do everything within our power
to help the Native Americans, Indians whatever you want to
call them. But it's got to be within reason.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I mean, seeing poverty and things like that, and I've
never been on an Indian reservation. We need to take
care of those people, but not make them wards of
the government. Hey, we got to take a break. Butt
when we get back your calls again. Seven four nine,
seven thousand, one, eight hundred. The big one are the numbers.
Mike Allen in for SLOWE seven hundred WL.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Pretty funky there, Dave. Bet your back there in the
control room stepping out for that good stuff. Anyway, nine p.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Thirty seven we are back, got open lines seven four nine,
seven thousand, one eight hundred. The big one are the numbers.
The first caller I believe that we took didn't seem
to want to give Trump credit for falling gas prices.
And you know, if anything, I think he deserves credit

(17:31):
for that. I really do. I mean, you think about
what he did with respect to drill baby drill, fracking,
building new or facilitating the building of new facilities.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
So he opened it up.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
I mean, the idiotic controls regulations that Joe Biden had
on the fuel industry, that's what killed it. So we
got to give him credit for that. You know, it's
still a deal no matter what. And Bill Clinton was
elected because of this. If the economy sucks, President's going

(18:06):
to get some grief about it. If it's great, the
President is going to be touting it all over the place,
thinking about and talking about touting things. I'm want to
preface this with this is from the White House. Put
out a press release What's the data of this thing?
November twenty fourth. It is titled more relief on the

(18:28):
way as economic wins bring savings to gas pump Thanksgiving
tables and what Trump does sometimes on these things, it's
a minimum of him or the administration making the point
that he wants to make. He leaves it to local
media to do that for him because he doesn't believe

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he gets a fair shake from the mainstream media. That
would be the understatement of the decade. They hate him,
They screw him at every turn. So you know, mister President,
do what you gotta do. Just a few of them
here kind of addresses the gas price then too, we
were talking about.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
This is from.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
KDVRTV and Denver headline cheapest gas prices in Denver hit
less than two dollars Sunday ahead of Thanksgiving weekend. Just
a couple sentences of the story. Gas prices in December
are trending down just in time for the busy Thanksgiving
travel weekend, with one station in the city even hitting

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less than two bucks on Sunday. And I'd like to
see that here. That's according to gas Buddy. I don't
know what that is. Just in the last week, gas
prices in Denver I've fallen fourteen cents on the galling gallon,
hitting two point four to seven per gallon. That was
last week, anyway, gas Buddy reports that the number is

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lower than the national average of three dollars and three
cents per gallon. Talking about that two bucks and two
forty seven in Denver, So I do think you have
to give him credit for that. It's again, Biden had
so many idiotic rules against fracking, and you know you
weren't allowed to drill here, you weren't allowed to drill there.

(20:17):
Of course he had to please and suck up to
his radical liberal base of the environmentalists. So Trump could
care less what they think, as could I. Okay, ksat
TV San Antonio, Texas headline, san Antonio gas price is

(20:38):
set to hit pandemic era lows for Thanksgiving. Just one
sentence on this one. San Antonio drivers may have noticed
some interesting movement at the pump this week. Thanksgiving travelers
are still expected to see cheaper gas at the pump
compared to last year. Now ask yourself this question. Would

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there be besides five? Maybe would there be any mainstream
news outlet, you know, Washington Post, New York Times, ABC, CBS,
NBC that would say that No, there's just no way,
because I don't want to give Trump the credit for it.
Let's see if we can move on from gas prices here,

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what else has he got?

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (21:23):
This is from Shreveport, Louisiana. Thanksgiving dinner with turkey is
bargain in Louisiana, where costs are below US average. Thanksgiving
family feast to feed ten people in Louisiana this year
is more affordable than any other state in the US
except for Arkansas. I think they have a bunch of

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chickens in Arkansas. Is that where one of the big
producers is.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Anyway, it's the cheapest in any state except Arkansas.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
That's according to the American.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Farm Bureau Cost Survey, the cost for eleven market turkey
basket eleven market turkey basket items including a whole frozen
turkey in Louisiana and twenty twenty five is forty four
seventy That's more than ten bucks cheaper than the national average.

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So you gotta have your Thanksgiving dinner in Louisiana.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
And I'm here to tell you I did. I did.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
My daughter went undergrad to spring Hill College that's in Mobile,
about a two and a half hour drive to get
to New Orleans. From there, my daughter made it I
think about half of that time. Anyway, we had a
Thanksgiving feast. I forget the name of the restaurant, but man,

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they do it up right down there, not exactly like
we have here, but it was really cool.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
It was good to do that.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
So anyway, that just gives you an idea, I guess
of what Trump. Thanks, as far as the price is
going down on gas and other things. Hey, we got
a call. Let's talk to Larry in Hamilton. Hey, Larry,
how you doing doing well?

Speaker 6 (23:11):
Mike, You and I are old friends.

Speaker 7 (23:13):
I'm sure you know who I.

Speaker 6 (23:15):
Am back in my top days around Coryan.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How you doing Larry?

Speaker 7 (23:23):
I'm doing fantastic, glove listening to you even on a Wednesday,
yeah day. Now, that previous caller that was somewhat negative
about Trump, he's forgetting. What Trump is doing today is
planting seeds for the future. He is a businessman, and
you think for a minute he doesn't have influence on
the pricing. Yes, he does across the country, all the

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stuff that he's doing. People aren't giving him enough credit
for all the stuff he's doing on a worldwide basis,
But even at home, he's planting the seeds for economic
growth in the near future. But it's not hop thing
fast enough for the certain groups of people. And I
think you're doing a fantastic job, are you too.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
People people want the instant results though, Larry, I mean,
that's just what we're geared towards in this society. They
want it down and I don't want it down now.
And it is going down, but it's still too high.

Speaker 7 (24:18):
Fast, fast food, fast everything, driving up window to the bank,
drive up window to everything.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Now think about this, let me switch gears.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
For just a second.

Speaker 7 (24:26):
Okay, So think about all the money that was going
to the Somaulians up in Minnesota and the I mean,
you talk about a crime that's that's ridiculous, and the
big media doesn't want to talk about that.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Oh of course not no, of course not.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Well I thought it reached at least a billion, possibly more,
just out and out damn theft. And I don't know
whoever released that money to them ought to have to
pay the price.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
But you're absolutely right about that.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Well, remember when Trump came in, and there's a second
or third day he got rid of that USAID agency
that was, you know, throwing our taxpayer dollars around for
sesame street for people in Egypt, shit stuff like that,
you know.

Speaker 7 (25:12):
And my last, but not least, that crap about telling
soldiers that they don't have to abide by an unlawful order.
Oh my gosh, what more can you do to undermine
the integrity of our military by planting the seed that
they can disobey an order. That's called treason. You get
court martialed. Now, at the end of the day. I

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had a conversation with a coworker the other day about
the illegal the gentleman that.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
Was at the.

Speaker 7 (25:41):
Children's hospital that blah blah blah when he was put
into jail in Butler County.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Was he an illegal if of the United States.

Speaker 7 (25:50):
The answer is yes, Okay, So the fact that he
was a minister or whatever doesn't make any difference. That's
that's such a kind of a wrong ideology. Well, because
he is a minister, he should be treated different.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Nope, you know that that whole thing.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
We're all to be treated equal. At the end of
the day.

Speaker 7 (26:13):
That was such the argument or discussion I was in
with a coworker about that person being incarcerated. The fact is,
on that day he was incarcerated.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
Was he here illegally?

Speaker 6 (26:24):
Yes, he was going to a process, but at the
time he was here illegally. Therefore he should have been.

Speaker 7 (26:30):
Dealt with otherwise it's predatory, you know, application of the
of you know the law.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Right, Well, listen to this, maybe you heard it and
it came from the view, So you know they're idiots
that one of those persons on the view, I forget
which one said it was. It's racist to call them
illegal aliens.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
I mean, what the hell.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
They're they're here, they trespassed into our country trade of
federal law.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
They're criminals.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
I mean, you can, you can try to minimize that
as much as you want, but that's the case.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
And we are in a point in this country.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
God, I'll never figure this out where the left, the
Democrats care more about people that trespassed into our country
than they do ordinary Americans. I hope people are getting
fed up with that, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
I guess we'll.

Speaker 7 (27:26):
See Michael calling them racist is putting lipstick on a pig.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
I gotcha, Hey, man, I gotta let you know. Okay,
thank you for the call so much.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Let's talk to lou in beautiful Harrison and I mean that, Hey,
lou how you.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Doing, talk to you? Pat? Sorry about yourself?

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Good? I'm good. I'm good. What you got for me?

Speaker 3 (27:49):
And so I was listening earlier when you're talking about with.

Speaker 8 (27:52):
The Thanksgiving comment about how a lot of people are
just trying to hold protests about Thanksgiving.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
What thing that kind of bothers.

Speaker 8 (27:58):
Me is that, you know, yeah, it's very easy to
focus on the past of what happened, but it's the
whole purpose of the holiday itself is just to give
thanks for the things.

Speaker 9 (28:10):
That you have in the future, in the future.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
And in now. Right man, It's like life is just
too short.

Speaker 10 (28:18):
And I'm not gonna lie, I'm not trying to boast,
but I work in an emergency department, and so you
can imagine, like how many times a day that we
see things that are horrible, and it's just, you know,
like I'll tell people all the time, like be thankful
for the things that you have, because it could have
been a lot worse than what it is right now.
And especially it's like I'll tell you this, I'm thankful

(28:39):
for my family. I'm thankful for being an American, and
I'm thankful for you.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
Mike.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
You're a good guy.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Thank you so much, Lou. I appreciate that. That's very kind.
Thank you.

Speaker 6 (28:53):
All right, Warries, buddy, you take care of yourself, all right, you.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Too, have a great Thanksgiving? All right.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Hey, we got Bill for Montgomery. Let's talk to him. Hey, Bill,
you're on the air.

Speaker 6 (29:04):
Bhi, Mike, can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Okay, absolutely loud and clear.

Speaker 11 (29:08):
Great, Mike, you actually helped me with an opinion piece
in the Inquirer for supporting Orlando Sonza. Oh actually, yeah,
So I'm actually calling about a couple of days ago.
You had been talking about elections and how we've lost
Hamilton County. And it's been one of my theories or

(29:31):
observation for decades now that we have lost Hamilton County
because we surrendered our public school institutions.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
And what do you mean by that?

Speaker 2 (29:42):
I think you're onto something, but what what, what exactly
do you mean by that?

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Bill surrendered the institutions?

Speaker 11 (29:49):
And you know, and Mike, this didn't even conjecture. Randy Weingardner,
she's still the second largest teacher union, awful, said that
she believes politics should be in needs to be in
the classroom. I know the teacher unions. Yeah so they
And by the way, something I don't think most people
were aware of until recently, Randy Winegardner and Becky Pringle,

(30:13):
the presidents of the two largest teacher unions, serve on
the Democratic National Committee.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
I wouldn't doubt it. If you remember Bill during COVID.
They found out that whether it was the NEA or AFT,
both the two strong teachers unions, they were signing off
on some of the regulations that Biden was putting in
place for going back to work. They actually sent it

(30:41):
to them. And let me tell you another boy, you
hit a nerve here. I do my research for this show.
I've been doing it a long time. I like doing it. Never,
not once ever have I heard either Randy Winingartner or
the president of the other union say anything about educating

(31:03):
our children.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Nothing.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
It's all politics. They shake down their members for contributions.
They're too damn powerful.

Speaker 11 (31:11):
I think, right absolutely, and Mike as it pertains to that.
And I'm in the process of writing another opinion piece
into the Acquirer, which.

Speaker 6 (31:22):
I don't know if they'll run.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 11 (31:25):
Are you familiar with what's going on in the Sycamore
Communities school system?

Speaker 1 (31:30):
No?

Speaker 2 (31:30):
No, not really what's going on with them?

Speaker 11 (31:33):
So back in September of twenty twenty four, the president
of the teacher union that it's the Sycamore Education Association.
They're a local affiliate for the NEA, the National Education Association,
which Becky Pringle was president of Okay and they're the
largest teacher union. The president of the teacher the local

(31:56):
teacher union went to a school board meeting. Several people
felt she was intoxicated, which she later on a menuted
that she was on sedatives and had an alcoholic drink.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (32:08):
She exposed herself at least two to three times, which
was caught in surveillance camera. Then she bullied a female
co worker. Then she made a comment loud enough for
other people in the area to hear that she's there
was a black principal at the school honoring black students

(32:29):
with an award, and she said, and I quote, what
is an incompetent black man doing up there? Black and
man were synonymous. So long story short, Mike is the
school board which has been the majority of the school board,
has been supported, endorsed, and even funded by the teacher.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yes, it really is. Bill. I'm running out of time,
but that's good stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Please call back, Okay, thank you.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
You know, just one other thing to add to what
Bill said.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
What we have to do and I don't know how
it went in this last election, and we were doing
pretty good on it for a while. We have to
get mothers fathers, people with kids in school on these
local school boards. Again, Hamilton County's getting to be a
tougher nut to crack for Republicans. But the school board

(33:26):
races are down ballot races. That's where we would have
a good chance. I think that has to happen. The
other thing, parents have to look at the books that
their kids are bringing home. They have to do that
to see what's being taught to their kids. You know what,
My parents never had to do that, but because they

(33:46):
didn't have to, they didn't have to. But I think
I think parents now should do that. Hey, listen, we
got to take a break for the news, but I
think you're going to like this next segment. Dennis Whitehead.
He's an author of a book about the Cincinnati Strangler.
I'll tell you what, if you're anywhere near my age
ten years give or take, you're gonna really find this

(34:10):
interesting talking about post see Laski, the Cincinnati Strangler, and
he wrote a very very thorough book about it. And
we'll talk to Dennis when we get back. Mike Allen
in for Slowey seven hundred WLW. You want to be
an Americanity News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen Saturday.

(34:32):
I do that at least once every time I sub
for somebody else. We'll talk to you Saturday midday on Saturday.
I'm in for Slowney today, I'm in for Willie tomorrow. Hey,
before we before Friday, thank you, Dave. Before we get
to our guests, I just want to let you know
what we've got cooking going forward. At ten thirty, Steve Gooden,

(34:55):
Legal analyst, Steve Gooden, Boy, we're going to talk about
the absolute debas buckle with the Komy and Leticia James indictments.
Doj is not looking good on that, and going to
ask Steve if the case can be refiled and what
the effect will be. At eleven o'clock, doctor John Lott,
always a good guest, did a really good piece about

(35:17):
how the left lies about children dying by guns, absolute lies,
and we'll talk to him at eleven. Finally, batting cleanup
is our friend Janie Heisel from the Epoch Times. She
just fould a great story on the election a few
weeks ago and how that relates to our journey into

(35:39):
socialism or maybe not so anyway, Hey, before we do that, though,
I've been looking forward to this if you are my
age or around there, you'll remember this. It just rocked
this town. I'm talking about Postelaski to Cincinnati Strangler.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
It was a huge deal.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
And Dennis is going to tell you this whole community
was just in such fear of this guy. Women were
going out and buying more locks for the doors, the
whole thing. Anyway, Dennis White had He's an ou gred
a graduate of Hiring a university. He's a writer, photographer,
and media producer. Again, like I said, from Cincinnati, but

(36:26):
now living in Arlington, Virginia. Dennis, thanks for calling in
this morning.

Speaker 9 (36:32):
Good morning Mike.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Thanks for having me my pleasure. Yeah, you know, I'm
sure you heard the intro. Did I sum that up right?
And what I was going to ask you to do,
if you could, is just give us an overview on
what was going on in this city between December of
I think it was sixty five, in December of sixty six.

Speaker 9 (36:56):
Well, in essence, it was a period when Cincinnati really
lost its innocens. Nationally, Vietnam was building the March for
Civil Rights, it was well underway. There was violence attached
to it. Tension was building and building in this period,

(37:21):
so people were already on edge when suddenly women were
being found strangled to death. Initially, pardon me, thought to
be just on the east side of town. Suddenly the
second murder was in Price Hill.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (37:37):
Now police knew that they had a citywide problem. So
that grew the tension, the anxieties, yes, with fear that
people felt.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Well, I remember it and one of the things as kids,
we absolutely hated this.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
It was at that.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Time when the decision was made, probably nineteen sixty six
October sixty sixth. Decision was made. You're not going out
at night trick or treating. If you want to go out,
you're doing it during the day. We were none too
happy about it, but in retrospect, I think it was
probably a good idea.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
And again and it was moved.

Speaker 9 (38:19):
It was moved to Sunday as well, so it wasn't
even on the thirty first.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Okay, I didn't remember that, but yeah, people were bending
over backwards. I think I mentioned to you before, I've
got an old Irish grandma. She's passed away. This woman
wasn't afraid of anything. However, when that Price Hill strangulation
took place, she must had five locks.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
On her door.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I mean, this place was just rocked by that. I
think it's hard to convey and you can probably do
it better than me. The feeling in this town during
this time, just the feeling of fear and law enforcement's
response to it. They threw a lot of resource is
at this thing, don't you.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Think, Oh?

Speaker 9 (39:04):
Absolutely absolutely? Well, you know, for for me personally, I
was just a kid like you and uh my widowed
mother who grew up in Price Hill went to school
at Cedar Grove Academy right across the street from one
of the murders. I was born blocks from, uh the
murder that posted ELASKI was convicted of. So so this

(39:26):
really was a it was it was neighborhood centric in
some ways, not just Price Hill. It was the same
in East Walnut Hills, right.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
It was.

Speaker 9 (39:36):
It was in Clifton as well. So it's spreading in
a band across the city.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yep. And it's I'm trying to go ahead.

Speaker 9 (39:46):
Well, the killer left no clues. There were no identifiable clues.
Now you have to remember that the that the the
forensics of the time weren't simply fingerprints, fluids, blood, simple
basic hair fibers.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
There was no.

Speaker 9 (40:03):
DNA that would not be until the nineteen eighties, So
they had no evidence except that hair evidence pointed to
a black man, but without specifics. They cast a net
across the city, initially starting with men who had been
who had previously had conditions for sex crimes, but then

(40:24):
it began to spread to random people based upon calls
in the station X. The police would follow up. Detectives,
patrolmen would follow.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Up thousands, I mean thousands of clues, thousands of calls.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Let me ask you this, how many victims in all
were they?

Speaker 2 (40:44):
I know Barbara Bowman was the one that Lasky was
prosecuted successfully on. But how many victims in all Dennis
died at the hand of the strangler.

Speaker 9 (40:56):
Well, the strangulation deaths, there were six. Barbara Bowman makes
the seventh. Now there were also numerous There were also
numerous assaults that that that occurred that did match the
the d m O of the killer in certain ways,

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but it was but it was the it was the
strangulation murders that that were the key. U Now, Barbara Bowman,
while she died of stab wounds, did have a ligature
wound around her neck. So that's what drew police attention
to a connection to the strangler.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Gotcha. Let me let me ask you that question.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
That was the one condition.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Okay, let me ask you this question too. You had
mentioned at tench time. I had to Obviously there were
racial issues and problems in the city of Cincinnati at
the time. That probably compounded some of it because again,
like you said, uh, they were looking for an African
American man.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Is that a fair statement.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 9 (42:04):
It exacerbated the existing tensions that had grown out of
national frustrations with the civil rights movement. Finally succeeded in
nineteen sixty five with the passage of the Voting Rights Act.
So success was found that year, but tensions were still
There wasn't enough in Cincinnati. There was a general feeling

(42:27):
that while people of color could speak, the question was.

Speaker 4 (42:34):
What were they being heard?

Speaker 9 (42:36):
Was there more than just lip service being done in response?
And the answer was no, not really, and so there
was great deal of frustration over in action, local inaction.
Now then you bring in police attention to black males
across the city. At the same time, African American women

(43:01):
were just as concerned.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Sure as white women.

Speaker 9 (43:05):
The problem was they experienced non responsiveness when they when
they would call.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (43:12):
And during the during the panic really of the of
the strangler, there were calls from Kennedy Heights about a
car that matched the description of a car that had
been cruising around Kennedy Heights neighborhoods. There was no response
to it. There were there was no equal concern to that.

(43:33):
So that all built it built and built.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
Now.

Speaker 9 (43:38):
A breaking point in the lasty prosecution was then the
case of Oh goodness, I've forgotten his name, but there
was a Cincinnati end car copy editor who was arrested
on a strangulation murder. He had murdered his his girlfriend.
They were both white.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
He was off. The probation well received.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
There were different times back then. Uh, let me ask
you this. Uh they were. There was only one prosecution,
of course, that being for the murder of Barbara Bowman
up there on Ring Court in Price Hill. The first
cop on the scene was a legend.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Let's see, it was accept him.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
He everybody knows him. Yes, he was a young cop
at the time. Though Mel Ruger was a prosecutor. I
knew Mel just a little bit, a little bit.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
He was a legend as well, a hell of a prosecutor,
absolutely a great prosecutor. The decision was made, although you
had all these homicides, uh, just to prosecute on Barbara
Bowman that murder and they got a conviction on that.
What was the feeling of the community at the time about, Hey, look,

(44:57):
you know, yeah, you got a successful prosecution of her murder,
but what about the rest of him.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Give us an idea of what the feeling about that was.

Speaker 9 (45:09):
Well, Actually, when Laski was arrested on an attempted assault
charge that was bumped up to assault. When he was arrested,
the media coverage was the strangler suspects.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
In hand, We've got him.

Speaker 9 (45:30):
So from that moment forward there was a general feeling
of relief, made more so by the absence of further
murders once he was in custody. And that remains the
one pivotal point there. Those circumstantial The murders stopped when

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he was taking them.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
I mean, no question, unequivocally.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Also, you point out in a book the judge in
this case interesting Simon l Lease, Si Lisa, his dad.
He's kind of a crusty old guy, according to what
you have in the book, But a good judge, a
very experienced judge.

Speaker 9 (46:15):
He had been a I had his biography in the book,
but hit a long career as a prosecutor, investigator, and
as a judge that also gave him experiences in the
Laski trial. He even went back to a case that
he I think he was an assistant prosecutor in the

(46:38):
nineteen thirties. He was seventy years old at the time
of Laski's trial. There was a murder trial of the poisoning.
It was Han and she was the first woman sentenced
to die in the electric chair in Ohio. She had
poisoned them. And he is techniques as a prosecutor. Allowed

(47:00):
Ruber to employee techniques in the trial that he had
used in the Han case. Remember, And and then there
was the the Abbott trial that preceded Laski's trial by
not much but some of the same legal maneuverings that

(47:21):
that that Ruber employed. Judge Lee was very familiar with,
and he allowed them to go into trial. And actually
one of the key things was testimony that was permitted
into the into the case in both the Abbot and
Lasky that really put the nail in their coffins.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yeah, you know, go ahead, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Oh, it was this.

Speaker 9 (47:48):
This was testimony that was related to the to the defendant,
but not to the to the case. So in the
case of Abbot, it was a one and he was one.
A girl of sixteen years old. Abbot violently assaulted her

(48:08):
because of anger, and that was brought into the case
and it portrayed him in a very negative light. And
when when that verdict came in as guilty, he walked
away and said she did it. That testimony did it
to me. The same with Laski. The case was built
on rather circumstantial evidence, but Lise allowed the testimony of

(48:30):
an assault victim who accused Lasky of the assaulting, who
was never tried. That her testimony, very dramatic testimony, was
allowed into the trial, and that put jurors.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
Over the top.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Gotcha, As we said, he was prosecuted successfully for the
murder of Barbara Bowman up there in Price Shell, and
he received the death penalty, but he was not put
to death.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Why was that?

Speaker 9 (48:55):
Well, nineteen sixty eighth the Supreme Court ruled be a
death penalty constitutional. It took until nineteen seventy for that
then to come down to the Ohio Supreme Court for
Laski's case to be reheard under that decision, and his
sentence was commuted to life in prison.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Then in nineteen seventy for parole.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
A number of times, one when I was prosecutor did
not get parole. I remember, kind of like a cop killer.
We got the community all ginned up to send letters
for the parole board, and he died in prison. I
believe in two thousand and seven, only have a minute
and a half or so left. I want to make sure, Dennis,

(49:39):
that you let people know how to get this book.
I'll tell you to make a great Christmas gift. It
was one I'm not just saying this. It was one
of the best books I ever read, right up there
with the Brick, a book by JT. Townsend. Just an easy,
good read. How can people get that book?

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Well, thank you, Mike.

Speaker 9 (50:02):
It's available and I'm working on getting it into Cincinnati
bookstores so it will be in in some in the
coming days. It's available on Amazon, but you can you
can order it online from any bookstore.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (50:19):
You can go to your favorite bookstore and they can
order explore you, or you can go online.

Speaker 4 (50:24):
It's available everywhere.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Great, Hey, listen, we're out of time. I really appreciate this.
There's never enough time. We could probably take a couple hours.
But congratulations on the book. It is fantastic, I hope
and I bet a lot of people go out and
get it.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
And again, it really would make a good.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Christmas present for people that are familiar with it and
experienced it in one way or the other. But Dennis Whitehead,
thank you so much for joining us this morning.

Speaker 9 (50:52):
Mike, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Okay, my pleasure, all right, And again, you just can't
convey what the effect on this town was of this guy.
And I think mel Ruger he caught a little grief,
but I think his decision to not prosecute the others
after the conviction on the Bowman murder was a good one.
So anyway, very good book. If you're interested, you ought

(51:17):
to get it. Hey, listen, when we get back, what
an absolute debacle with the comy and Letitia James now
non prosecutions. DJ is not looking good on this one,
and we're going to talk to our legal expert Steve
Gooden about that when we get back. Mike Allen in

(51:39):
for Sloaney seven hundred WLW. Hey, we're back Mike Allen
in for Sloaney. Well, I'll tell you what if you
follow the news at all, you know the situation with
one James Komy and Leticia James. Boy, they were on

(52:00):
Trump's list. The federal court. The federal judge, which I
believe was a Clinton appointee or it is a buying appointee.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Dismissed the cases.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
I don't know whether they can be refold or not,
but I'm sure our next guest is talking about legal
analyst Steve Goodin.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Steve, thanks for joining us this morning.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Hey, good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Not DOJ's finest hour, was it?

Speaker 4 (52:26):
It sure wasn't you know. You know, there's an old
saying that you know that revenge is a dish best
served cold. And these guys came in very, very hot
and tried to indict Comy and Leticia James using sort
of an interim prosecutor who who the judges found really

(52:47):
wasn't properly appointed in the role. And the problem the
Trump folks have is I think the judge is probably right.
You know, she was an interum. You can have an
interim US attorney for one hundred and twenty days, is
the one hundred and twenty days had run. They tried
to make her kind of an acting US attorney. She
was the only attorney in the room. Her name is

(53:08):
hann Again Ashley hand Again, a former White House lawyer.
She had no criminal experience, and it looks for all
the world like she was sitting there specifically by the
Trump folks and by Pam Bondi to indict these two.
So in all likelihood, when she was actually in the
grand jury as the loan attorney presenting the cases for
indictment against James and Komy, she really her paperwork had expired, basically,

(53:35):
so they tossed the indictments. There is a pretty good
argument they can be refiled, But with Comy it's going
to be a little close. I mean, he has a
five year statute of limitations. The statements he made allegedly
were back in twenty eighteen. I think he did mislead Congress.
Whether it whether now that we know more about the

(53:57):
underlying case, whether it actually rises to a criminal intentional
misleading at Congress, we don't know. But he certainly made
statements about the Clinton FBI leaks that were misleading to Congress. Yeah,
but that's kind of where really really where that is.
It's going to be fought out for a while. The
Trump people are going to take an appeal. Oddly enough,

(54:18):
they probably, it seems to me, have a better chance
of getting Letitia James' case refiled than Comy's. But also
that was the least serious of the two. So we'll
see what happens. But there's more more fighting to go.
But I think Trump and his books lose this round
on a technicality, but a pretty significant yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
And I just think the way it was handled was
an abomination. Trump put out a truth Social post. It
was about two or three days I believe before Pam,
Bondi and d OJ took some action on this thing,
and I just just bear with me. I want to
read part of it at least. Okay, this is from

(54:59):
Trump on truth Social Pam. It's like it's addressed to her.
I have received over three hundred statements and posts saying
that essentially same old story as last time, all talked,
no action, nothing is being done. What about Kmy, Adam,
Shifty Shift, Letitia, They're all guilty as hell, but nothing

(55:19):
is going to be done. And then we almost put
a Democrat supported US attorney in Virginia with a really
bad Republican past. Anyway, he goes on to say, last sentence,
they impeached me twice and indicted me five times over nothing.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
I couldn't agree. More justice must be served.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
So I don't know, you know, I'm loath to criticize
the president, but I will.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
I think it's appropriate.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
And maybe it's a lawyer and me, Steve, but as
an attorney, did that offend you? Because it's just a blatant,
a blatant.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Ploy to get these two prosecuted.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
The norm the regular prosecutor wouldn't do it, so he's
got to go out and get a different one.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Am I overstating the case?

Speaker 4 (56:08):
No? I mean it's really reminiscent in a way of,
you know, kind of what happened, you know at the
end of Watergate, you know, when Nixon couldn't find that
he wanted to fire the special prosecutor and they kept Goody,
and there's that famous light on the Nixon James who says,
I don't you know, just keep firing people until someone
will go fire him, you know, And they said, I
don't care if we're down to the janitor at that point,

(56:30):
you know, I want some of the fire. So when
it's all about the result you want and you're the executive,
that is a really bad and dangerous place for us
to be in a republic. And everyone says we're a democracy,
We're really a republic and we have a very fine
balancing of the three branches. And it really is a
bad day those posts he puts out. You know, he

(56:52):
is his own worst enemy, the president is on this rhetoric.
Any chance of having anything that looked like an impartial
and real indictment here of either of these two, you know,
is you know, it was just out the window the
second he made that post. I mean, even if the
indictment had somehow, the indictments had somehow stood up and

(57:14):
gone to trial, I think you know that that would
have been something that would have been presented to the
jury and really cast out on whether or not this
was this was impartial. And I mean, look, I understand
that I've never been or will be president of the
United States, but I can only imagine the president's anger
at the way he was treated. There is no question,

(57:35):
you know, you lover hate Trump. I think most lawyers
would agree that the system was weaponized against him and
perverted against him in ways that just we're an abomination
as well. The while he was out of office, I
mean the particularly the Latitia James case, something that kind
of case that had never been brought New York State.

(57:55):
The statute had never been used that way. They were
really just making stuff up to get him. And I
get that he's angry, but my god, he won the
next election. You'd think that that would be enough to
you know, he's president again. I mean that that you
would think that would would suit some of those wounds.
But it looks like he does want to go back
after these folks. And look, Tony, and I get the

(58:16):
anger at Komy. I mean that when you when you
really scrape it all away. Comy was asked before Congress,
you know, did you leak to someone at the FBI
or tell them to leak at the FBI? And his
answer was no. But then we now learned that he
actually did give the leak to an FBI contractor who
was a friend of his. And he's kind of hanging

(58:38):
on this sort of Bill Clinton kind of word persing
thing of like, well, he wasn't a full time employee
even though he worked there, so and I understand how
frustrating and aggravating that would be when you see that
one of your enemies and someone who has been weaponizing
the justice departments doing this sort of thing. But that's
really not a not a great thing to hang a
criminal case on. And it really does, I mean, like really,

(59:00):
what it looks like here is he finally found someone
who was willing to put their law license on the
line and go in and jam this indictment through. And
it's notable. Someone who's never i guess said zero criminal practice, experience,
defense or prosecution actually went in, it spoke to the
grand jury and I and this is rare. It wasn't

(59:20):
even now we know it wasn't even unanimous at the
grand jury. There were grand juries jurors, even under these
weird circumstances, who were saying, we don't think we should
indict these two. Yeah. So, I mean, it's really snaked
that from the beginning from the truth social post all
the way down to the selection of this particular attorney
who didn't have any kind of experience, to the fact

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that she was the only attorney in the room, which
is also, as you know from grand jury days, kind
of unusual. Usually you have not always, but you have
at least a paralegal or somebody else, you know, in
the room with you privately with the grand jury to
kind of fight things out. So everything about it just stinks,
and in a weird way, they're kind of lucky. I

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think that the judge pulled the trigger, or you know,
you pulled these indictments on the early side, rather than
let all this get fleshed out in really gruesome detail,
either through a motion practice or a trial. I don't
think it would have reflected well on anybody well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
You know. I mean, maybe it's a lawyer in me,
as I said, But the minute I saw that truth
social post, I thought, oh my god, this is going
to come back and boomerang. I get his anger, and buddy,
I mean, if anybody has a right to be pot
about the way they treated him, he does. And you know,

(01:00:40):
I'm also a realist about lawfare, you know, politics, Steve,
somebody does something to you, by god, you're going to
do it back to them. So I really don't have
a problem with that, But why telegraph it. I mean,
I guess there's probably.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
No one, not even millenia.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Who could say whoa WHOA? Don't send that out. You know,
it just it looks horrible. Let me ask you this.
I guess it's a long way of asking you a question.
Have we've seen the last of this thing? I know
Trump won't let it go, but do you think that
you know they're going to reindict and candem It was
a dismissal without prejudice.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
I didn't get a chance to look at it the decision.

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
Uh yeah, yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't speak to prejudice
at all. He just tosses it. And then you know,
there's a statute and I think it's eten USC three
two two eight that basically says, you know you you know,
the statute of limitations is sort of told under certain circumstances,
you know, when there's when there's issues and questions about
the indictment. But all that being said, I think they

(01:01:44):
were they were right against the line of being out
of time on Komy anyway. I mean, because the statement's
tackling the way back to twenty eighteen. Uh and there's
a five year statute of limitations there so, and there's
also an argument because that even though it's told typically
in a situation like this, because there's prosecutor on this

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conduct that's being alleged. You don't get that benefit of
the doubt, and you know, the timeline doesn't stay. So
I mean, they're going to appeal. Bondie's already said she's
going to appeal. But I particularly lose it and this
really is the end of this, and if they're smart,
they let it go. And again, this is a situation.
It's amazing to me because you've seen it in state courts,

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and I've seen it state courts where whether it be
police officers, prosecutors, whatever, you let your emotions get the
better of you and bad decisions get made. It's amazing
to me that you still see that human element and
all these emotions coming into play all the way up
you know, to the presidency. I mean, this is just
a classic case of a guy getting really mad and
telling the prosecutors to do something they shouldn't have done.

(01:02:48):
They probably should have should have held their ground. I
can only imagine what the conversations were. I don't know
about with Milania. But you know, Pan Bondy is a
real prosecutor. You know, Pambody is not just some politic
co actor. She's really done the job and she's the
ag of Florida and a well regarded one. So and
the amount of time this took, I can only imagine

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there were many many trips down to the West Wing
to try to talk them out of this, uh and
to try to get him to stand down. But they
eventually he said, it's like it's like in Watergate. They
finally found in Watergate, the tribute question. It was finally
Robert Young, Robert Borke, who was the guy that was
fired Archibald.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
At the time.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
That's right. Yeah, they kept firing people and ele leading
them to acting Attorney General just to fire, you know
it just like could fire the special prosecutor, you know,
and here they finally you know, the the you know,
the the Robert bork Here is this Hannigan lady who
I guess had briefly worked in the White House as
a civil attorney, and then he made her the you know,
the acting or interim and then acting attorney up in

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in Virginia that has in Wooden Pert of Virginia, that
has a jurisdiction over a lot of the DC stuff.
So and she was willing to go do it. So,
I mean I also predicted in some way or fashion,
someone's going to go after her law license over this.
I was going to that's probably going to be the
biggest problem. Yeah, I think you can count on that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
You know, somebody who was criticizing the whole thing. I
kind of likened it to just a citizen coming off
the street walking into a grand jury room and getting
an indictment because of the technical stuff. But what do
you think is to become of Lindsay Halligan? Apparently from

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what I read, she's a very good civil lawyer, but
had no business in the grand jury room.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
Oh yeah, there's look, I know brilliant civil lawyers who
really you know, you know who if you sent them
into the grand jury today with no training would have
you know, it would flail. I think, Mike, I worked
for you. I don't think I was allowed to walk
even near the grand jury room for two to three years.
I think, you know, you really, you know, really got

(01:04:58):
to know what you what you're doing. You really have
to understand the criminal law. There's a lot of nuances
to it, from being able to count the time on
the statute to what evidence is admissible and so forth.
So yeah, being brilliant's got nothing to do with it.
It's about being trained. I mean I would think that,
you know the hand again. I mean, I think there
will be some action against her law license. Probably when

(01:05:18):
the dust settles here, they're going to lose the appeal.
But she's somebody that looks to me to be kind
of ready made for TV. I would expect to see
her out of politics pretty quickly. I mean she looks
like a model. I mean, if there was ever like
a perfect profile for a Fox News TV commentator, it
would be miss Annagan. Okay, So she does have that

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look a lot of the women have in the Trump world.
So she has that kind of Melania kind of vibe.
So I always see her now that she has to
obtain some notoriety, bouncing out of politics pretty quick into
some media role will be my guy. I have no
reason to believe that, just my guess.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Yeah, the whole thing is a big old cluster. You
know what.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Hey, we got about three minutes or so new things
happening on the PG sitting field front. Can you tell
us about that because I missed it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Was it motions?

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
Yeah? There were some Yeah, there were a flory of
violins this week. It's really interesting, you know PG, I said, Ville,
you know, was convicted of basic classic quid pro quo
corruption by a federal jury here in Cincinnati and sentenced
to I think fourteen months in prison, served about five
or six of them. You know, it was fighting it

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on appeal and then just sort of out of left field.
Although Washington it seemed out of left field, we now
know there was a lot of lobbying going on the
Trump Partington basically sort of you know, there's you know,
and Trump has been pardoning a lot of folks around
the county or country that he feels are were wrongfully
convicted in some of these public corruption cases where he

(01:06:52):
thought entrapment was used. And the FBI tactics are pretty tough,
but a very very rare kind of circumstance to your
PG is pursuing his appeal even though he has been pardoned.
It is and it's kind of interesting, and we don't
know whether or not the Supreme Court is going to

(01:07:12):
truly entertain it. And what's interesting here is the Trump
Justice Department has sort of now taken a different position.
They want this to be over with. At this point
of view is look, we don't want you to keep
fighting here. It's going to impact other convictions, you know,
and PG has made it very blue. He wants to,
you know, he wants to change the law around this.

(01:07:33):
He thinks that the whole quid pro quo corruption law,
particularly the Supreme Court case called McCormick that basically says, look,
you know, if you accept the campaign contribution in exchange
for your position on a particular vote or a particular project,
that that is illegal. And that's been the law since
nineteen ninety one. And he wants to go after that

(01:07:53):
and address that. And it's very interesting that it feels
like when you read these briefs, basically, the Justice Department
and it clearly feels kind of burned by Sittenfeld because
they're like, you know, we got you, you got the
pardon pal, you know, but now you're still fighting us,
and not just that you want you want your conviction vacated.
You want it to be like it never occurred. And

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they do seem to really be going after this McCormick decision,
which has really been the law of the land. And
I always felt, and I know there's a lot of
conservative commentators who are on the other side of this,
I always felt it was a common sense line to
draw because otherwise, you know you're going to be sitting
down with donors and talking about specific votes. And if
you're in the state House.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
You're right, you're right, and unfortunately we are out of time.
I watched a lot of the trial for Channel nineteen.
I know you did as well as a legal analyst,
and I don't know. I mean, I don't think he
crossed the line. I don't think anybody knows what the
heck the line is. But at any rate, Steve, I
appreciate you calling in and not filling us in on

(01:08:55):
this stuff anytime.

Speaker 4 (01:08:58):
Have a good Thanksgiving that you too, Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Thank you you you know I mean, And I get
some guff from people. I am sympathetic to pg's situation.
When you're in politics, you gotta raise money, you gotta
be aggressive. And from what I heard, I don't know
that he crossed that line into bribery. And you know what,
I'd like to see the Supreme Court take a look

(01:09:21):
at it see if maybe they can kind of clear
it up a little bit. Anyway, we got to take
a break for the news, but when we get back,
we're going to talk to doctor John Lott. He's going
to talk about how the left lies about child gun deaths,
and I think you'll find it interesting. We'll do that
when we get back Mike Allen and for Slowey seven

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hundred WLW. You want to be an American idiot?

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Hey, we're back Mike Allan in for Sloaney. Well, i'll
tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
The left absolutely loves to skew the figures on gun deaths,
and that's true adults, gundest and children as well. Well,
somebody's doing a deep dive into it and showing that
it's just a lie, it's not true. That person is
our next guest, doctor John Lott. He is the president

(01:10:15):
of the Crime Prevention Research Center. And I'll tell you what.
I checked that out. Really great website, crimesearch dot org.
A lot of good stats in there. So anyway, doctor
lot welcome to WLW. I know it ain't your first time.

Speaker 6 (01:10:35):
Thanks for having me back on. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
My pleasure, my pleasure. Hey, tell us about the piece
that you wrote. I think for the federalists, I thought
it was great and you make a very good case
that they are exaggerating at a minimum, the figures about that.
And it's titled Democrats Favorite Talking point about children and
gundests is a lie tell us about that.

Speaker 6 (01:11:01):
Thanks.

Speaker 12 (01:11:01):
People can find a copy of it at our website
at Crimeresearch dot org. But look, you know, about fifteen
years ago or so, Michael Bloomberg's gun control groups basically
did focus testing to try to see what types of
claims that they could make that would move the needle
the most on the gun control issue. And what they

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found was, particularly for women, if they made the claim
that gun deaths were the number one cause of death
for children, they could they could have a big impact
on that. And so you've been seeing a lot of
claims out there since then that try to make that claim.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
The thing is that.

Speaker 12 (01:11:48):
People can go to the Centers for Disease Control website.
They have very detailed data on deaths from many different
types of causes. And whether you define children as those
under eighteen or those under fifteen or some other age
group that's lower, what you find.

Speaker 6 (01:12:07):
Is that motor vehicle deaths I'll outnumber it.

Speaker 12 (01:12:12):
And if you have something like underage fifteen, not only
the motor vehicle deaths out number, but things like suffocation
deaths are like twice in the latest year that's available
twenty twenty three, suffocation deaths are more than twice the
number of deaths from firearms. The thing is also how

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they define firearm deaths. What they do is they add
together homicides, suicides with firearms, and accidental deaths. The problem
is most people I suspect think that homicides and murders
are the same.

Speaker 6 (01:12:54):
They're not.

Speaker 12 (01:12:54):
Homicides are murders plus justifiable homicides by police civilians, And
so even to get the numbers as close as they do,
they're having to include things like a seventeen year old
gang member who was let's say, pointing a gun at

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a police officer and shot by the police officer, as
you know, as a firearm step.

Speaker 6 (01:13:22):
And in some sit that's true.

Speaker 12 (01:13:24):
But the notion behind I think pushing this is just
to take guns away, abandoned guns. I assume they're not
going to abolish guns from police officers.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
But you know.

Speaker 12 (01:13:38):
It to me, lumping together an innocent victim who's killed
versus a situation where you have a criminal who's trying
to kill somebody else who stopped those are just not
the same things that.

Speaker 6 (01:13:53):
Are going on there. And what you find is.

Speaker 12 (01:13:57):
About seventy five or so of the homicides involve fifteen, sixteen,
seventeen year old gang members. Even if you're looking at,
you know, the deaths for those under eighteen, and I
think that's you know, questionable whether or not you want
to include those, because when you see these news stories

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or others, they'll start off with a story about, you know,
a child.

Speaker 6 (01:14:23):
Dying from an acidal gun shot.

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
In the home.

Speaker 12 (01:14:26):
And if you look at the data from let's say
twenty ten to twenty twenty, you'll find about thirty two
on average of those deaths a year. You know, be
nice if it was zero rather than third two, But
even two thirds of those of those thirty two deaths
are gun shots accidentally fired by an adult male, usually

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in there mid to late twenties, who have a criminal
record and it's illegal for them to own a gun
to begin with, and who are very often either drug
addicts or alcoholics.

Speaker 6 (01:14:59):
So you know, these.

Speaker 12 (01:15:00):
Are not normal, law abiding people who do most of
these accidal gunshots.

Speaker 6 (01:15:07):
Even for even if you want to include those, what about.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
The situation with suicide? Can you address that?

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
Sure?

Speaker 12 (01:15:18):
Well, I mean, they're not that many suicides that are
involved for those underageteen eighteen or under fifteen.

Speaker 6 (01:15:25):
It's a small number, like with accidental gun does.

Speaker 12 (01:15:28):
But the thing is also you know, again the notion
is simply if you just got rid of guns, you
wouldn't have the suicides occurring. Well, we've tried banning guns
in parts of the United States. Washington, d C. And
Chicago banned handguns. The vast majority of suicides involve handguns,

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and other countries have either banned all.

Speaker 6 (01:15:55):
Guns or all handguns.

Speaker 12 (01:15:57):
So what you find is that while they're in firearm suicides,
total suicides don't change. There's really no statistically significant change
at all in terms of total suicides. And so basically
what happens is that if you have somebody who's suicidal,
there are lots of different ways for people to commit suicide,

(01:16:20):
lots of different ways for them to commit suicide which
have you know, quote unquote an equal success rate or
even a slightly higher success rate to using a firearm.

Speaker 6 (01:16:30):
People who hang themselves.

Speaker 12 (01:16:32):
Or jump off a tall building or structure, or walk
in front of a train or a bus. Those are
all ways that people could commit suicide that have you know,
success rates that are similar to using a firearm.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Let me ask you this, and you've got a paragraph
in your piece on this at the you got the
Washington Post, no surprise there, you got a blaring headline
why guns are America's number one killer of children. Then
you got, of course NPR their headline firearms overtook auto
accidents as the leading cause of death and children. You

(01:17:15):
just demolished that argument, and of course the BBC's got
to get involved. Gun desks were the leading killer of
US children. In twenty twenty, something happened over in the UK.
I think that you addressed. I think it was at
the very end of the piece where what they're doing

(01:17:35):
with gun control over there hasn't helped anything.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
All right.

Speaker 12 (01:17:40):
Well, you look, you have a whole island nations that
have tried to ban guns. In the UK, they banned
all handguns in January nineteen ninety seven, and what you found.
What you found was that after they banned it, over

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the next eight years, homicides increased by fifty percent.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
It was only.

Speaker 12 (01:18:08):
After they had about an eighteen percent increase in the
number of police officers in just a few year period
of time that they were finally able to bring down
the homicide rates back to about what they were prior
to the band that was.

Speaker 6 (01:18:25):
There, and that's what you see in other countries.

Speaker 12 (01:18:28):
I mean, look, I know when we had the bands
in Chicago and Washington, TC gun control advocates say, well,
you know that wasn't a fair test. You can't expect
it to work because people could stole get guns from
the rest of Illinois, or from Indiana, or from Maryland
to Virginia. The problem is that doesn't explain why homicide

(01:18:50):
rates went up. It may explain why they didn't go
down as they were predicting at the time. But you
could look at island nations, whether it be the Republic
of Ireland or Jamaica or the Solomon Islands or other
places which have banned either all guns or all handguns,
and every single time, murder rates go up and suicides

(01:19:13):
remain unchanged.

Speaker 6 (01:19:15):
And there's a simple.

Speaker 12 (01:19:16):
Reason why murder rates go up, and that is you
may take a few guns away from the criminals, but
if you're primarily disarming the law bidy good citizens out there,
you make it easier for criminals to go and commit crimes,
and you actually see an increase in total death.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Let me ask you this question. I have always wondered why,
and I've got a theory why the left and their
cohorts in the mainstream media keep pounding this thing. You know,
it's all about the gun, all about the gun. They
never talk about the person behind the gun, and that's
juvenile and adults. I mean, my thought is they're just

(01:19:58):
it's easier to do that rather than confront the real problem,
which is the person. Do you have any thoughts on that.

Speaker 12 (01:20:08):
Yeah, Look, reducing crime isn't rocket science. You have to
make it riskier for criminals to go and commit crime.
To do that with higher rest rates, higher conviction rates,
longer prison sentences, but also allowing victims to be able
to go and defend themselves. All those things make it
riskier for criminals to commit crime. And I guess what

(01:20:28):
I would say is a couple of things. One is,
at least they're consistent across the board. You know, you
look at a lot of these democratic cities. They don't
want to make it risky for criminals to commit crime
in terms of law enforcement arresting them or punishment. You know,
there are plenty of examples that we can give about
how they immediately release the criminals that are there that

(01:20:50):
they don't want to make them serve time in prison.
But not only do they want to make it less
risky for criminals to commit crime in terms of law
and force in the criminal justice system, they also don't
want to make it risky for criminals to commit crime
in terms of letting victims be able to go and
defend themselves. Look, you know, one of the big puzzles

(01:21:11):
to me is Democrats will go and talk about racial
justice in terms of prisons. So you will have people
like you know, Alvin Bryde, the district attorney in Manhattan,
New York City, or others Soros prosecutors who will say
that you want to have people in jail equal to

(01:21:33):
the racial percentage of their population. So if blacks make
up thirteen percent of the population, they should make up
thirteen percent of those in prison. Here's the problem, who
do they think the victims of crime are? Victims of
crime tend to be very similar to the perpetrators. Ninety
percent of blacks are murdered by blacks. So if you're

(01:21:58):
going to be you know, lenient on the criminals that
are there, it means that people who are similar in
terms of race and socioeconomic status are going to be
the victims so why not care about the black victims
that are there. You know, over half of the murders
in the United States are committed by blacks, even though

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they make up about thirteen percent of the population.

Speaker 6 (01:22:21):
A lot of that is drug.

Speaker 12 (01:22:23):
Gang violence that's there, but they're killing other blacks overwhelmingly,
And you know, it seems to me we should care
about the victims there and try to keep them safe
more than we should worry about the racial color of
the people who are committing the crimes. But you know,

(01:22:46):
there's a more basic issue also about why it is
that liberals don't trust people to have guns for protection.
And I think he sees again consistently across the board.
You look at something like Obamacare. Obamacare basically takes away

(01:23:08):
people's choices for what's going to be covered by their
health insurance. The only choices you have under Obamacare is
basically the size of the deductible that you're going to have.
But what's covered, whether you're a seven year old woman,
you're still covered for childbirth, that's there. You know, there
are a lot of other weirder things that are in

(01:23:29):
there too, and so you know the problem is if
you don't trust somebody for being able to choose what
their health insurance is going to cover. You're not going
to trust them for something like whether they're going to
have a weapon or not. And you know, it just
it just comes down to whether or not you think

(01:23:51):
people are able to make decisions for themselves in many
situations or not.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
No, and I get that. You know, I've been in
criminal justice system for fifty one years in one form
or another, and I can tell you right now, let's
just say Trump signed an executive order tomorrow banning all guns.
These people are going to be able to find guns
probably pretty darn easy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
You're probably you're probably familiar with it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
There's a phenomena called community guns where people in the
neighborhood will go use the gun, do whatever they do
with it, and put it back for someone else to use.
It's just naive to think that you're going to ban
your way out of this problem.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
It's just it's frustrating because a lot of people are dying, right.

Speaker 6 (01:24:44):
No, I mean, I agree with you.

Speaker 12 (01:24:46):
Look and the major source of the legal guns are
it looks like our drug gangs, you know you have.
It's not like a drug gang can go to the
police and say, look, this other gang stole or drugs,
can you help us get them back. They have to
set up their own little militaries in order to protect
that extremely valuable property that they have. And if they're

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going to have a lot of weapons, they're going and
they can make money selling drugs and they can make
money selling weapons, They're going to do both.

Speaker 6 (01:25:14):
That's there.

Speaker 9 (01:25:14):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:25:15):
You can look at a country like Mexico, for example,
Mexico used to be fairly unregulated in terms of gun ownerships.
In nineteen seventy two, they essentially had very strict rules
limiting guns. Only one gun store in the country, run
by the military. The most powerful gun that you've been

(01:25:36):
able to buy since nineteen seventy two is a bolt
action twenty two caliber short round rifle. That's not the
type of gun that that drug gigs are using, our
cartels are using in Mexico. And yet the murder rate
in Mexico has more than doubled since nineteen seventy two.

Speaker 6 (01:25:58):
You know, so if I could click my.

Speaker 12 (01:26:00):
Fingers and cause all guns in the United States to
disappear and all illegal drugs, how long do you think
it would be before illegal drugs start coming back into
the United States supply in twenty minutes. If you're at
I'll passo.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Yeah, I agree with you, Doc. Unfortunately we're out of
time here. I really appreciate this discussion, and you know,
I also too want to pitch again the Research Center,
I mean the Crime Prevention Research Center.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
They really do a great job. It's a great website.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
And anyway, doctor John Lott, thank you so much for
educating us on this subject.

Speaker 12 (01:26:39):
Well, happy Thanksgiving and people can find more at crimeresearch
dot org crimeresearch dot org.

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
But thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Okay, thanks doc. All Right, doctor John Lott. You know,
and the left is going to continue to do it too.
I mean, god forbid they could tell the truth about
something in the media, and obviously this is important. Hey,
we to take a break for the news. But when
we get back. Last segment, we're going to talk to
Janis Heisel of the Epoch Times. She's got a great

(01:27:07):
story she just filed a couple of days ago about
the last selection and you know, the question being are
we really headed to socialism or not?

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
So we'll talk to Janis when we get back.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Mike Allen in for Sloaney seven hundred WLW. Hey, we're
back Mike Allen seven hundred WLW before we get to
our next guest. There's a story breaking a big, big,
big fire.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
I guess it's in downtown Hong Kong.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
I didn't get a chance to really read anything about it,
but boy, I'm looking at the visual and it's bad.
I think they're reporting, Oh my goodness, they're reporting thirteen
deaths so far. So just wanted to let you know
about that. Hey, despite the socialist surge in New York City,
and I'll be they've got a big one with their

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new mayor, you know, moderates one in most other places,
So maybe it's not as bad as we seem to
think here to talk about it as a reporter who
did a deep dive on it, not just a perfunctory article,
but a deep dive on and I'm talking about Janie
Heisel from the Epoch Times. Janis, thanks so much for calling.

Speaker 6 (01:28:24):
Us this morning, So thanks so much.

Speaker 13 (01:28:28):
I've got to tell you it's interesting for me as
a reporter on the ground to see how things really
are versus how they are often portrayed. Yes, and I
did go to Minneapolis to cover the mayor's race there,
and that's how I got this idea for this story

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to kind of compare and contrast what happened in Minneapolis
versus what happens in New York and elsewhere. I actually
also relied a lot on an article that I saw
by the Manhattan Institute which kind of had sort of
the same concept that I did. And the idea is
that you know, in Minneapolis a lot you know, it's

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a lot smaller of a city. It's not in the
spotlight the way New York it typically is, but you know,
it was very interesting to see that them. There is
an incumbent kind of more mainstream Democrat mayor named Jacob Fry,
and he was challenged by what they call the mini Mandamy,
a guy named Omart I'm not sure from saying his

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name correct correctly, but he is a He was involved
in the state government there in Minnesota, and there was
some you know, fair amount of like regional buzz and
some national buzz over that because of the fact that
he is also a Muslim and had some other democratic

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socialist policies that he shared similar to those of Mandanmi
in New York. So in looking at these two situations
in Minneapolis, the democratic socialist guy lost to the more
moderate Democrat and.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
That how close was that race?

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
I read, but I forget.

Speaker 13 (01:30:15):
You know, here's the problem which he's describing what happened
in Minneapolis. They have this crazy ranked voice voting that
we in Ohio don't understand. I had to like spend
such an amount of time just to understand the bottom line.
What happens is voters can pick. They can say I
want Mike Allen is my first choice, he is my
second choice, and Joe Schmoll is my third choice. So

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if Mike Allen doesn't get fifty percent of the vote
in the first round of votes being counting, it goes
back to say, okay, round two, how many people have
Mike Allen as his second choice? And then if Mike
Allen had you know, comes out ahead on that second round,
then with at least fifty percent of the vote, then
Mike Allen would win.

Speaker 9 (01:30:57):
So that's how it works.

Speaker 13 (01:30:58):
And it took me awhile to come up with that
very rudimentary description of how it works. So initially the
initial vote scout, I will say there was a ten
percent divide between the incomment mayor and that Democratic Socialist challenger.

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So I think most people you know, again, right choice
voting kind of show the monkey wrench into the calculation.
But most people would say that was a pretty comfortable margin,
and he, the incumbent, did pretty much say that. But
he also didn't want to claim victory prematurely, so on
election night he waited till the next day and then

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you know, it did get declared that he was the
winner in the second round of the county.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
You know, you make the point in your story about
gallup polling. I guess I think it's in September, the
latest polls showed that the Democrats are the only partisan
group of the three meaning Republican, Democrat, independent that views
socialism more positively than capitalism. Released in September, the poll

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showed sixty six percent of Democrats viewed socialism in a
positive light, and that's for the first time in that
poll's history, fewer than half of the Democrats it was
forty two percent favor capitalism. For Republicans, it was it
was what you think, what you would expect from them.
But I'm sure sounds to me janis like they're not

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backing away from it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
What do you think about that.

Speaker 13 (01:32:32):
Well, there are indicators like that out there suggesting that
you know, this socialism creep, especially when people put on
the word democratic in spite of the word socialism. People,
that sounds better, at least, this is the vibe I
get from talking to people. That sounds better. It sounds

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okay to a lot of people. But then we roll
down to what the policies really would do. A lot
of people will probably buy a lot more concerned if
they really really looked into some of that, because it
does some of them more radical socialist policy.

Speaker 6 (01:33:07):
You do talk about.

Speaker 13 (01:33:08):
Things like, you know, community ownership of businesses rather than
you know, independent ownership and property, and on and on,
erosion of personal rights because it's all being done for
the good of the people, so to speak. And so
there's so it'll be interesting, as my article points out,

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what we're seeing across the country does appear to be
this creep of socialism into especially through a lot of
people who lean Democrat or are Democrat, but Republicans rejecting it.
I mean, only fourteen percent of Republicans look favorably upon socialism.
So it's kind of like the Republicans are holding the line,

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but independences are in there too holding that line. Thirty
eight percent but viewed it favorably. Wow, only thirty compared
to you know, much greater percentage of the sixty six
percent of Democrats socially socialism positive manner. So very interesting
trends going on in politics right now. And people are

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looking to New York to see if Mandami takes a
really difficult situation there in New York and it becomes
more of a big mess, people are going to go, whoa,
do we want that for our community? So they're all
eyes are on New York very much so. But I

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wanted to kind of also open people's eyes to maybe
New York's not the norm. And it's hard to say
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
No, you're right, and that is a good part of
the of the op ed piece. You know what, I
think we're all kind of an uncharted territory here. But
the thing, and you know, you can weigh in on
this if you want. I had never been able to find,
and I challenged people on the left an example where
socialism has worked either in a city or a country.

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I mean, did you run into any of that, any
anybody facing that reality?

Speaker 13 (01:35:20):
You know, That's something I'm still looking for to.

Speaker 9 (01:35:24):
Either.

Speaker 13 (01:35:26):
But and I don't know of anybody who has give me.

Speaker 6 (01:35:28):
A call if you do.

Speaker 13 (01:35:30):
But no, that's that's a great point. It's it's one
of the biggest arguments I hear on the side that
goes against socialism or democratic socialism, whatever brand name you
want to give it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (01:35:46):
And so once again, it's just going to be a
very interesting time for everybody to keep an eye on
what is going on in New York. But also maybe
it was you know, at least take a glance over
what happens in Minneapolis over there. That mayor has been
in charge for the past eight years and he had
to weather the whole George Floyd thing. My article points

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out when George Floyd was was killed in police custody,
as we all remember, places especially Minneapolis, were on fire.
People were just really really outraged, and that video you know,
did shock people's conscience for sure. But with that said,
the mayor, while condemning some of those actions of the police, said,

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you know, we don't need to cut, you know, defund
the police. That doesn't help us. And he faced a
lot of heat for that. And I was in Minneapolis
and saw that. To this day, there are signs against
the mayor in people's yards. There are Black Lives Matter signs,
you know. There, there's a lot of palatable and visual

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signs that the mayor faced a lot of pushback over
his refusal to defund the police, which was a big
push there.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
What the heck is wrong with those people? I mean,
I don't get it, But hey, let me ask you.
Did you happen to see any footage of the Mondommie
visit to President Trump in the Oval office?

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
And if you did, what are your thoughts?

Speaker 14 (01:37:21):
Well?

Speaker 13 (01:37:21):
I did take a look at that, and what was
I heard? One person described the encounter as rather collegial,
so they exchanged some pretty copsteak barbs back and forth.
But I guess maybe there's just sort of a recognition
at least. This is just my impression that you got

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to work with the guy somehow and Trump, people who
know Trump have all told me, and I think he's
even publicly admitted this in many ways. Yet he is
a New Yorker at heart.

Speaker 14 (01:37:58):
He does love of New York and it's really where
he made his name, literally on the skyline there.

Speaker 13 (01:38:06):
And you know, he does want New York to succeed
and to soar, and he doesn't want the place to
crash and burn. He loves the place. So if that means,
you know, doing what he can to sort of work
with what he's what he has to work, which is

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the elected mayor. Now you know, but I also got
the feeling that you know, and this is again based
on just my observations of Trump, and I think most
people would agree that Trump has a history of you
can make nice with Trump, but you really cross him.

Speaker 14 (01:38:46):
He doesn't suffer that gladly, No, no question about it,
No question about it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Hey, I wanted to ask that too, with the situation
with if you want to possible breaks on the socialism movement,
you make the point very well in the article Jannels
that the various city councils, especially the one in New
York City Mondommie's not going to be able to do

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whatever the hell he wants.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Is that accurate? That's how I'm reading it.

Speaker 13 (01:39:17):
Oh yeah, I interviewed a man who very succinctly put
it that no single mayor or single person could turn
an entire city communist or socialist or whatever you want
to call it. And you know, that's what the American
system of checks and balances, you know, you know, it's
one of the saving graces of our system is that,

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you know, you can't just go in and make these
sweeping changes, like the money is under under perhaps state
control for some of these things that he wants to do,
like the free bus rides for everybody and things like that.
So if you can't get that funding, that proposal is
going to go nowhere, right right. So one guy I interviewed,

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who was the former sheets of staff for the current
mayor Eric Adams. He told me that some New New
Yorkers really looked like a skance at these proposals and said,
wait a minute, this seems misleading. He can't do that,
And so he was talking about how to end the article.

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On a note he pretty much said, you know, although
New Yorkers are a little wary about what's going to
happen here, the New Yorkers are a tough lot. I
think most people kind of know that you don't kind
of most New Yorkers are kind of like Trump. They
got kind of a rough edge and they they won't
they don't put up with people messing around with him
too much. And you know, they're resilient, and you know,

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look at what happened after you know, nine to eleven,
you know, and the idea is that he really believes
that the city, regardless of what this one mayor does,
is going to be quote a robust city and at
the center of commerce, culture and tourism despite his politics.

Speaker 9 (01:41:04):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
And I gotta admit he has an impressive presence. He's
only thirty four years old. In the Oval Office, he
was standing, Trump was sitting very respectful to the president.
I mean, I don't agree with anything he does but
or will do. I think the thing of it is, though,
it was nice to see a little collegiality for once,

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and I didn't expect that.

Speaker 13 (01:41:31):
Some of Trump's base I don't think was too happy,
I know, but you know, I think a lot of
Americans would like to see people who are politically opposed
able to set aside those differences to get things done.
Just enough to do that, and they go back to

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scrapping if.

Speaker 6 (01:41:52):
They need to.

Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
You know, I don't get a chance. I really don't.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
And it busts apart families too, I know all too well.
You know, you got family oh way up on the
on the top and politics way down. And nobody's ever
seen a phenomena like that before. And somebody was saying
the other day, and whoever it was, I valued their
opinion that the DSM Diagnostic Statistics Manual. I think it's called, uh,

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they're thinking about making that an actual.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
I don't know what you call it, mental illness or whatever.

Speaker 13 (01:42:31):
I know this yeah, diagnosis. Yeah, you know. All I
can say is that it is really sad. I think
we all can cite examples from our lives where people
have become so polarized that family won't talk to family.
Coming up on Thanksgiving tomorrow, you gotta watch what you
talk about. But I've even heard that quite a few

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people have given their their relatives like the brush off.
Even if there wasn't an art, if they just found
out that, you know, you voted for Biden, I can't
talk to you. You voted for Trump.

Speaker 6 (01:43:06):
I can't talk to you. You're cut off.

Speaker 13 (01:43:08):
I'm not you know, there's no wasn't even an argument.
It was just sort of like after they found out
the political leanings, the family's pretty much had an emotional divorce.

Speaker 11 (01:43:15):
I guess you could call it right.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
Well, I'll tell you what. And you see that on
the left quite a bit. But I've never seen a
case where and I'm sure there are some out there
where a Republican said, hey, man, you know you voted
against what I wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
You voted for Kamala. I'm done with you. It's all
on the other side. It seems like, well that's what
I've heard.

Speaker 13 (01:43:42):
But I don't have any evidence to support that. But
I like away from that. But if we have another minute,
like there's something I wanted to raise.

Speaker 1 (01:43:50):
Yes, we do have just about a minute.

Speaker 13 (01:43:53):
Ye, what I'm working on right now. So I just
turned in a story that is really really fascinating that
talks about the massive welfare fraud that is happening in Minnesota.

Speaker 6 (01:44:08):
Oh yeah, two years.

Speaker 1 (01:44:09):
Of dollars the Somalians that were supposed.

Speaker 13 (01:44:11):
To go to hungry kids, right the homes, et cetera.
And Somalis were getting a hold with money by filing
fraudulent claims, sending a lot of it back to Somalia
and allegedly this is being investigated ending up in the
hands of terrorists there that mean harmony.

Speaker 6 (01:44:30):
The United States.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
Yeah, I mean, so I read a little bit. It's
unbelievable they're doing all this stuff with our money. It's
just how that could have happened is beyond me.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
So you wrote about it.

Speaker 13 (01:44:43):
Is that what you're saying and hasn't been published yet.
It is now making its way through our system. But
I'm actually going to be doing a really in death
support on that as well. Some of these scannels have
been actually brewing. Charges were initially filed in twenty twenty
two in one case and there are now seventy eight
defendants charge. Wow, with that one scandal one of the

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three major scandals, and several more minor scandals too.

Speaker 4 (01:45:12):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
Boy, that's going to be one to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
Janis really appreciates you coming in and filling us in
on all this and hope we can call on you again.

Speaker 13 (01:45:21):
Well sure, and I hope everybody has a great Thanksgiving.
Play nice at the dinner table.

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
People, you have a great Thanksgiving, Janis, thank you so much.

Speaker 6 (01:45:31):
Uh Hi, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
Okay, all right, I'm overtime here. I did want to
thank my great producer, Big Dave Keaton.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
I will be back.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
Tomorrow noon to three Willie shift, So have some good
guests and hopefully some calls. Mike Allen seven hundred WLW