12-10-25 Bill Cunningham Show

Willie talks about the effects and advancements made with GLP-1s with Liz Bonis. Also author Peter Bronson talks about his research into corruption in Cincinnati history. Finally Carrie Severino breaks down how we have weakened Constitutional law over the last 150 years.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Its need.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
By Billy cunning Him the Great America. Welcome this glory.
It's Wednesday afternoon in the Tri State. Nasty weather coming.
Better stay tuned see what's going to happen on that front.
My hand from snow later on tonight and or tomorrow.
But until then, of course, Uh, I'm watching all the
analysis this morning on Fox Sports, and I'm told that
if the Steelers of the four games left, if they
go one, one and two, if they win one game

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and then lose one game, then have two ties. If
that happens and the Bengals, Bengals sweep the next four games,
the Bengals are in the playoffs. That's the only hope
we have is have the Bengals in the playoffs if
the Steelers tie two of the next four games. Joining
you and on Allen this and so many other topics
is Liz Bonus, the medical health reporter of WKRC Channel twelve.
We twelve stands for news. Liz Bonus, Welcome again to

(03:28):
the Bill Cunningham Show. How do you like my analysis
and the bengals chances in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Hey, I believe in miracles to.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
You, Yes, I do believe in miracles. If that happens.
That would be a miracle, but they have less than
a one percent chance. It's zero point zero two, so
it's possible. But what's the other night I'm watching you?
Of course I watch you as much as I can,
and you're doing this topic very close to Tony Bender's prostate,
and that is that there's something going on in prostate

(03:57):
health with AI. And this is for men, not women
or women who identify as men. I guess they have
prostates and as a consequence that the treatment for prostate
enlargement and prostate cancer is changing fundamentally. Explain that to
the American people. Everyone that's got a prostate, you better listen.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
You know, there are some thought that fifty percent of
us have prostates. We should be talking more about them.
But you guys are really shy about talking about this
stuff that impacts everything from sexual function to a whole
lot more. So we're not going to be shy. We're
going to talk to you a little bit about what's
going on. Two different things you mentioned there. One is
benign prostate hyperplasia, which is it gets too.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
Big and it makes you peel all night.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
The other is prostate cancer and the biggest breakthrough that
we've seen is that artificial intelligence now can customize your
care especially with pretty much many types of imaging, but
in prostate cancer. It's now being used in the Tristate.
Our friends at the Urology Group some of the first
in the region to take a care scan that you

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do before you have a treatment plan in radiation, and
normally what happens is that that takes a couple of
weeks and then your body will sort of come in
and it'll adjust, meaning you know, your bladder's a little
full or your bowels a little full, and that can
stir off some of those results like you're getting zapped
and they want to zap you precisely. Well, Now with AI,

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what they'll do is they have you lay down on
the radiation machine and the imaging itself. AI will adapt
essentially your cat scan to what your bladder and bowel
looks like that day, which means when they zap you,
they're getting the stuff you need them to get and
not the outside stuff around it. Because if you talk
to guys, they are terrified not of getting you know,

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their PSA and the process can't do it. They're terrified
that like we're going to lose sexual function, we're gonna
be ping on ourselves, which is a legitimate concern. You're
much more worried about the side effects. Well, now AI
in medicine is helping to take care of that, because
when you precisely only hit the target, you leave those
other organs alone.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
What do you think of that?

Speaker 2 (06:05):
I love it because I go to neurology group, beginning
with doctor Allan Cordell. Now I'm with Patrick Hertz, and
as a consequence, he has me on flow max. I
think Tony's on flow max because as men get older,
and thank god, whether it's your dad, your grandfather, what
you want men to get older. And as you get older,
the prosta is like a tree, it keeps getting more
rings around it with pressures, you know, the flow of

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urine getting up two or three times the night's no good.
And so but the fear men have a fear of
having things stuck in them. I don't care if it's
urology or if it's the bow, you know, having a colonoscopy.
Those things men don't want to do that. I don't
think women want to do it either, but men really
don't want to do it, and so I can't tell
how many. A couple friends of mine have bowel cancer,

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which is terrible. A few of the friends of mine
have had prostay cancer, which is more treatable, But men
don't want to go to the doctor for these purposes.
As a woman type person, can you tell me?

Speaker 3 (07:02):
You know, I think some of it is the invincible thing,
don't you.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Yes, I mean, I just think it makes us vulnerable.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
And guys, we were just raised.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
The guy is not vulnerable when.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
We talk about this stuff all the time. So you know,
we'll kind of an advantage. We'll learn about the new
treatments and whatnot. But you should know that even if
it's not prostate cancer, there's a second thing neurologies group
is doing on the I have to get up and
pee all night and it's called prostate artery embolization. Oh
and I got to watch It's really cool. I got

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to watch them like inject these beads. I know you
said you don't like stuff stuck in you, but this
is actually this is actually a liquid full of teeny
when beats and if they can find the right blood
vessels that go around the prostate area, the inject these
little beads into them, and they essentially eventually cut off
the blood supply which is feeding the prostate getting bigger

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and bigger and bigger, and pretty soon it just shrivels up.
I know that doesn't sound right, but you do want
it to just rill and it shrivels up enough that
you will stop having that kind of pressure the enlarged prostates,
it shrinks and you stop peeing all night.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
How's that? Well, I'll tell you what. One of our
advertisers I should not mention his name, so I will
not without his permission, had that exactly done about six
months ago, and he said it changed his life for
the better. He was getting up four or five six
times a night, couldn't sleep. All of a sudden, he
had that exact procedure done Eurology Group. And guess what,
he's now afraid he can sleep all night, which is important. Now. Secondly,

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let's talk about ozempic. So many men and women are
on these exotic drugs ozempik to lose weight. It was
perceived to be a drug for some other purpose, just
like viagra was perceived for some other purpose. All of
a sudden, it helps certain other areas of life to
stand up tall and proud and so with Flomax that
helped me a lot. But now we're going to talk

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about ozempik. Explain in general ozempik off someone's overweight, what happens.
Then ozempik for sex, which is Tony Bender's interest. Explain
this to me.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Well, I won't say that we are using ozembic for sex.
I will tell you that there are side effects. Now
we call ozembic penis and ozembic baton, and that might
influence sex. So let's start with what ozembic or wagov
or zep bound semaglue tide is what they're called by generics.
These are drugs that you inject into the abdomen, and
they're working on a pill. By the way, it's going
to be available very soon, if it isn't already. Where

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it delays the gastric emptying, so you eat your lunch
and rather than it's just kind of going through you
and digesting at a normal peace, it sits in the
lower end testine for a while, and because of that,
you feel less hungry and you eat less and lose weight.
And that's a different concept than the pill helps me
lose weight. You lose weight because you eat less, and

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you eat less because you're not hungry, so you can
eat around these things.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Trust me, not everybody loses weight.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
But you're right.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
They were developed originally to bring your blood sugars down.
We've now found they help bring weight down, help bring
blood pressure down, might help your kidneys, might use your
risk for certain cancers. There's all kinds of things. But
keep in mind that when stuff is sitting in the gut,
there's these little bacteria that we have. We call them
the gut microbiomes and whatnot, and there's, yeah, there's some

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thought that when you mess with those, you mess with
a lot of stuff, like everything from brain signaling to
your ability and desire to even have sex.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
How do you like that.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
In your belly keep you from wanting to enjoy sex?
I think a little worms a little bit. You know.
That's not a pleasant look.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
I know, I know, And that's sort of what they are.
There's a very we're you know, we're fearfully and wonderfully made.
There's a delicate balance in our gut, and when you
mess with the balance, there's some thought that you mess
with the bacteria in your body. And for women it's
a real thing. They call it odempic vagina and it

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will actually mess with the bacteria which then gives you
like yeast infections and all the kind of things that
don't really lend to intimacy. Right, So it's a thing,
and they say, if you are on this, you should
tell your doctor if you're noticing things like more yeast infections.
But also you can address some of that. Now, there's

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a couple of different kinds of over the counter supplements,
like they call them pro antosyanins, which are like they
promote there's stuff that's read in cherries and it's like
a good bacteria that can help you know, sort of
the bowel remove some of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Okay, yes, that you don't want. So women might have
a choice of losing weight or having sex. I think
most women would say I'd rather lose weight than have sex.
Am I right or wrong about that?

Speaker 5 (11:44):
You know?

Speaker 3 (11:44):
One of my girlfriends said, when you lose weight, you
have more sex. So I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well, let's go let's talk about let's talk let's talk
about ozepig long term. Some have said to me, look
at Fenn Fenn, which supposedly was gonna be a great thing.
Then about ten years later we found out that have
destroyed heart valves or there was medical How do we
know ozempic are these other exotic drugs are not having
an effect we won't know about for ten years.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Well, they've actually been in development for that long, believe
it or not. I've been watching this research for a
long time. So for more than a decade we have
watched that. But I think we are seeing some side
effects we've never seen before. The ozempic vagina and ozempic
penis is a whole new set of a whole new
level of things we never talked about. But if you

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think about it, just delaying gas or emptying isn't going
to have the same effect as like a fen fen
that shut down your lung. Now we don't know for
sure what happens when you do leave stuff in the gut,
like could we later see higher risks of other things? Yeah,
that you know, we I mean, And there's everything is
benefit versus risk. But if you talk to a lot

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of people who are taking it, if you're you know,
nearing three hundred pounds and your doctor says your heart's
not going to carry this for much longer, losing the
weight gives you a benefit that maybe at the time
greater than the risk. Always got a weigh that. But
by the way, ozentpic penis is not a real thing
to see, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Explain that to Tony Bender. Explain that please.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
They started calling it that because these guys would lose
the belly the penis looked larger.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
Okay, And so they were like, I'm not penis, Like, no.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
That's a good not a good thing, not a good thing.
You lose your belly, pleasure get uncle Charlie, gets a
little more, a little more protrusion, shall we say. So
it's a double whammia in a good way. You lose
your belly and your thing gets a little bit bigger.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
It appears that way. It's not necessarily true. I mean,
you lose your belly, a lot of things get easier,
like you can see your feet, you know. But what
you know, it's really interesting what you just call it,
mister Charlie or something. I was working on a story
when the eed drugs first came out in the newsroom
and I was trying to, you know, figure out how
to make it appropriate for the family audience at four
or five PM. And I'm like, hey, does anyone have

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another word for penis? And let me tell you thea
I have, like sixteen people pop up, mister Weekley.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
You know whatever.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
There's all kinds of fish, Charlie.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
What is the names?

Speaker 5 (14:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (14:07):
What's up with the names?

Speaker 3 (14:08):
And you guys with all that stuff? You know, like
you know, girls don't name their naty part for some reason.
You guys all have a name.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
You may call it mss kitty, but I call it
mister Charlie. So, so getting back to getting getting back
to zempic right now. You have to inject it, correct,
You have to inject it. Yeah, I'm watching the CEO
of of Lily the other day on CNBC. He talked
about a pill form which many people would find more acceptable.
Was that coming down the road?

Speaker 4 (14:35):
It really is.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
And actually what's really interesting is some of the research
to do that was done here in the Tri State.
There's a couple of different as you know, we have
some rather large research organizations here that do great work,
and some of those have been testing the semaglu type pill.
And it's supposed to work in.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
The same way.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
You have to like obviously adjust dosing because the reason
you inject is so that it goes right into the
area that you want shift to adjust dosing. But the
pill is showing positive results, and the number one thing
that keeps people from selecting the injection are going on
is they don't like shots. I have a feeling. I mean,
right now, about twelve percent of people are on, so

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one in eight they think is on the ozembic injectable.
So think about the number of people that are going
to go on the pill when you can actually pop that.
There's some people saying they're selling it now. It's rolling
out in limited doses, but probably by the end of
twenty six we're going to see it on a more
regular thing, and I think it'll regularly be prescribed. I'm

(15:37):
like you, though, man, I think you out of a
million people on it before you see what's going on.
So I would still approach with caution, and I would
still tell you you lose weight because.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
You eat less.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's not like a magic fat burning pill. You got
stuff sitting in the gut delayed that so you don't
feel it's hungry. And that's great if it helps you
eat less.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
But you know what all these people.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Are doing now is they're taking the drugs they want
Charlie to look better and they don't exercise, don't change
their diet. Well, what happens then when you go off that?

Speaker 2 (16:09):
I see this statistic, Yeah, I talk about that lits
when you go off that. I've seen statistics that it
has negative consequences for someone's muscular structure, et cetera. So
at some point you go off of it, and then
what happens.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
It may be as high as ninety five percent of
the people regain the weight plus ten.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
Percent they like that.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, And part of that is people that exercise may
have as much as double the success rate keeping weight
off compared to people that don't. And it's not because
like you really burn so much, so many more calories exercising.
If you think about what exercise does, it builds muscle,
and when a muscle is fit, it uses up more

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energy throughout the day. So when you're sitting around doing nothing,
you're still burning more calories. Okay, but also you know,
I don't know about you, but I dragged my butt
up and get on the lip or get on the
treadmill at four in the morning every day because it
helps my mental health. I mean, like I want to
hurt people coming in if I don't do that, and
I think there is a therapy to that that is

(17:12):
the cheapest therapy you will ever find, And in the meantime,
then your body's getting a benefit. Well why do you overeat?
You overeat generally because you're like pissed off or stressed
out or frustrated, or it tastes good. And if you
don't have another coping mechanism, which is what exercise can
help you with, you don't ever really have a way
to sort of work against that. So you stop taking
the drug, you feel hungry again, and you start picking out.

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So there's one hundred reasons to incorporate, you know, regular
exercise and some diet changes in theount.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
And I'm told these drugs are extremely expensive, but they're
coming down if it goes to a pill form, wouldn't
that I can see five or ten years all of
us on these things. I can see all of us
on one pill with all of these things in it,
right within five or ten years.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Well, so they thought that about like statins, like maybe
we should put them in the world for your heart,
you know, but there will always be people that will
have side effects, So who knows. But one thing I
do think is that you know, we talked about the AI.
The DNA testing is going to start when you're like
an infant now, or maybe when you get to be
an adult, and they'll be able to tell you, well,
you're predisposed for obesity or you're predisposed for heart disease,

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and they probably will start putting us on some of
these preventative you know, for preventive purposes. And I think
you're going to see a prescription used for a whole
different purpose. But yeah, if you're looking at like medical
stocks for investment, these would be good ones.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Probably absolutely. If twelve percent of I'm not on it yet,
you're skinny and good shape, don't have to be on it.
I can see at some point someone's saying, I could
lose thirty forty fifty pounds with little or no side effects.
I'll take Ozembic has this side effect of helping Miss
Kitty and also Charlie, and it's a consequence. Everybody's happy.
And I can see in one pill having everything in

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one pill. Low cholesterol, maybe high blood pressure, it might
be for weight purposes, it might be for liver or
whatever it is. It'll be within five or ten years
of one pill for everything, is that where we're headed.
M Maybe not.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
I think there'll be one pill for weight loss. No,
this is specific purposes. But you know what's really interesting
about this is I've read some really interesting research that
when you take away hunger, you lose your zest for
certain things, like you mention, like the sexual intimacy. There's
some people who say, like, I just kind of didn't
really want to do anything if I didn't want to eat.

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You forget how much like hunger plays a role in
going to dinner and being excited about seeing someone. And
I wonder, Yeah, drink drink and wine, which leads to
more intimacy. Yeah, there's some thought that this is going
to influence or this can influence your life in ways
that you never really thought about. And if you're if

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food has been like your passion and now it's not,
you're going to notice things like that.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
And I'm not saying that's.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
All bad, but it's fascinating to watch all the things
that happen when you start altering the guts like you
talk about, Charlie. But the gun alfors the brain, and
the brain is a powerful organ, let.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Me tell you.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
And when you start messing with that and you lose
your passion for food and life and dust and wanting
to do stuff. I don't know if we're all going
to want to be on that or not be like yeah,
you know, it's where like people who said they tried marijuana,
it just made them not want to do anything right.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
You know, you want to eat a bunch of pizza
and eat popcorn. And I don't know what the ELL's going.
And we don't know the long term effects of marijuana
for teenagers. We have no idea in thirty years what
we're going to deal with. But list Bonus, we got
to run. You're the best at what you do, and
you're a wonderful guest. More importantly, you're like a encyclopedia
of health. And I think Channel twelve should double your
salary and cut your ears in half. Do you agree?

Speaker 3 (20:43):
Oh my goodness, I'm going to play this little snippet
for my boss.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
You tell them right now, tell them to give me
a call. I'll set him straight. Liz Bonus, All.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Right, good deal, Thank you you and yours, Merry Christmas
in the Happy New Year.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Thank you very much, Liz bon God bless you.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Let's continue with more Let's continue. Wow, never thought about
Charlie and Miss Kitty now in any other way. Let's
continue with more news coming up. And that was Liz Bonus,
the best of what she does on news Radio seven
hundred WLW HI Billy cunning In, don't worry. We will
get back to the commercials in a hurry. But until then,

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a couple of bookkeeping matters. After one o'clock today, we
have Peter Bronson, it's going to be here. Wrote a
new book about certain murders and other things happening in
River City and also the references to Stan Chesley with
Fenfinn murder Mystery and more. And he'll be here after
one o'clock today. After two o'clock, we've scheduled Carrie Severino,

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who's a close personal friend of Amy Coney Barrett. She
was a federal law clerk with Clarence Thomas. She's written
several books on what the Supreme Court's going to do.
You've seen her on Fox News other platforms. Carrie Severena
will be here after two o'clock and so we'll see
what happens to all of that. A couple of housekeeper
matters and this will not be covered by the mainstream

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media because it doesn't fit their conclusions. How about this one.
Hamas hid tons of infant formula and nutritional shakes in
order to smear Israel. And I'm reading this story out
of Switzerland, by the way, you might recall, for months
and months and months, the world chipped in large quantities

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of baby formula and they're ready to eat meals and
no one knew where the food went. Israel at some
point said we sent in tons of food, allowed it
to go in. Now we're not allowing anymore until someone's
discovering what's happening to the food. So for more than
two years, the pro Palestinian crowd, mainly democrats on college campuses,

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accused Israel of starving people in Gaza, especially children, committing genocide.
It turns out it was all lie, and here is proof. Hamas,
according to the Red Cross in Switzerland, hid tons of
baby formula to hurt children, to cause as much death
and disease as possible, and to damage Israel. The goal

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was to worsen the hunger crisis and initiate a disaster
as part of the Hamas's famine narrative. In a desperate
effort to stop Israel's onslaught against Gaza and forced the
return of UN's aid distribution mechanism and away from the
controversial Gaza humanitarian foundation which supplied the money. Now it's

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obvious that we've documented the waste and deliberate disposal of
tons of baby formula for Palestinian babies, nutritional children shaken,
more children's powdered milk which Hamas hoarded away. Given the
saturation of the coastal enclay with humanitarian aid and the
cease fire for months to continue, Hamas hid tons of

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baby formula and destroyed nutritional shakes meant for children inside
a warehouse to allow gozens to starve and further as
claims of widespread genocide by the Jews. Hamad Fuad, a
Islamic activist, I'm sorry Hamas activists accused the terror group
of hoarding food meant for children in order cause as

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much much death and disease as possible. This isn't the
first time. This is with the Hamasis withheld aid to
make a political point. This is a huge international story,
confirmed by the International Red Cross and by UN humanitarian groups.
Have you heard about this in the media. This came out.

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By the way, the date was December third, so it's
been out about a week and ABC, NBCCBS silence. Why
doesn't fit the media narrative. You have to listen to
me to get the truth. So Hamas wanted to kill
as many Palestinian children as possible to put pressure on

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Israel internationally so they would stop what they're doing. Let
Hamas have more control than Gaza. So the Gozans were
murdered and killed by Hamas. How big is this story?
It's bigger than Montana, but it will not be covered
because it doesn't fit, does it. Secondly, I like to

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highlight good people doing good things in deer Park the
root of it all. Natasha Cohorst is on city Council
in deer Park. Natasha Cohorst, and she put together an
effort to shop with a cop. There's fifty to sixty
families in deer Park that are going to have special Christmases,
many businesses in deer Park, many graduates at deer Park

(25:30):
High School. Good intended individuals put together at several thousands
of dollars and they've identified through Amity School, the grade school,
fifty to sixty families that need some help. As you
know Chris Euster and Deer Park has a closet in
which Deer Park families put their extra clothing. So if
someone in the school system needs clothing, a coat, a

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pair of shoes, whatever it is, there's a closet available
you can go into and pick out whatever you want.
And now Natasha Cohorst of Deer Park City Council is
going to make sure these families at risk in deer Park.
Guess what, have more of a Christmas. The otherwise would
not have good people doing good things. So congratulations shop

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on the shop with the comp and deer Park. They're
going to go to Target or they're on Blint Blue
on Blue Ash Road, and these kids are going to
have a great Christmas. And thirdly, you talk about the
billions and billions of dollars stolen just in Minnesota. This
is how it worked. And by the way, there's been
zero coverage of this story by ABC, NBC and CBS

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or NPR on the national news. They don't cover it
because it is so bad. The Somalians figured out with
the assistance of their governor, Tim Waltz and the attorney
general of a guy named Allison, and the mayor, a
guy named Fry, and also the Biden administration to put
together dozens and dozens of medical clinics occupied by so
called Somali doctors that literally provided thousands and thousands of

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kids in Minneapolis calling I'm autistic. And in consequence there
was a special government program to assist autistic children with
teachers and medical care and hunger treatment, et cetera, and
verbal skills, et cetera. So over the years under the
Democrats in Minnesota, the number may be as many as
eight billion US dollars. It could be as little as

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one point five billion. Were these fraudulent clinics in which
the money flowed from Washington in the Minneapolis into the
Smalan community. And then there were millions and millions and
millions of kids that did not receive care in Minneapolis,
but the monies were kept by the fraudsters, several hundred Somalians,
some of whom elin Omar. For example, the congressman was

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worth sixty thousand dollars six years ago. She's now worth
thirty million dollars. How do you go into public service
and you come out worth tens of millions of dollars
and not be corrupt? It's impossible. And also El Shabab,
which is a terrorist group in Somealia, was involved in
the fraud in which there were millions and millions of

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dollars of the billions of dollars wasted of your money
that went to Al Shabab and Somalia to kill more
Christians in Somalia, which is a completely dysfunctional government. Now
this is a huge story, but when called on it,
Minneapolis and the governor and the mayor and the attorney

(28:24):
general all say it's racism. To point it out, it's
all racism. And of course all of their citizenship applications
were mainline to make it easier to steal more money,
and you paid for it. And by the way, that
is one American city, that is one clan in one
liberal state. Most of the democratic the Blue states will

(28:47):
not share with the FEDS any SNAP recipient information. So
you can cross check to see number one of their
citizens number two. Are there multiple Snap accounts using different
social gurity numbers but the same person. And now the
blue cities and Blue states will not give the FEDS
the information of how big the fraud truly is. Do

(29:09):
you think we have problems? Absolutely? Oh, let's continue with more.
Let's go back to the commercials. Coming up in about
ten minutes or so will be Peter Bronson, formerly editorial
page director of The Inquiries Now is a great author,
also later on as Carrie Severino about cases before the
US Supreme Court and more. But I want to congratulate

(29:29):
Natasha Cohorst of Deer Park count That's the way it
should work. Person of person, people in need. We can
add that person's in need, let's help that person. Let's
not have a government agency with billions of dollars part
of fraud, manipulated by liberal democratic cities to pay themselves
lots of money and to fund terrorism all over the world.
Shouldn't this be We're is sixty minutes when you need it.

(29:52):
Leslie Stall get to Minneapolis the report on this. Do
you think she will? Hell no, Let's continue you with more.
Bill Cunning and the great American speaking truth to power
a news radio seven hundred WLW. My Billy Cunning him

(30:15):
a great American. Of course. Peter Bronson comes by once
or twice a year to talk about a recent book
of his. A new one out is The Magical History Tour, Murder,
Mystery and Buried History. Showed stories by Peter Bronson with
the Inquir for many years as a columnists also ran
that Didn't you run the place for a while? No,
I did not.

Speaker 6 (30:33):
I was editorial page editor, so I ran the opinion section.
I was an associate editor that was the title, and
then I was a full time columnist after that.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
So when did you begin as with the Inquir? What
year was that? Ninety two? Editorial page editor? That was?
That was big?

Speaker 6 (30:46):
Whate what TV, radio and newspapers have gone through. Oh
my gosh, thirty three years. When I got there, bill
the Inquire was three hundred and sixty five thousand. I
remembered that because it's a thousand every day of the year,
three hundred and sixty five thousand circulation.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
That thing was big as a yule log. Right when
it was delivered and we got out. I get up
in the morning, I walk out the end of my driveway,
pick up the paper and come back. Now. Oh, if
you set your dog up, the dog.

Speaker 6 (31:13):
Does sixty five thousand, three hundred and sixty five thousands.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
It's like twenty two thousands. Oh, I don't know. The
last I heard was around forty thousand. Maybe.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
But if they're counting online in that then that's kind
of high. So it's just a very sad story about
what happened to newspapers. It was such a fun business
and unfortunately it's kind of a thing in the past,
like horseshoes.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
It's ever ever, every and in just the inquir it's
every it's everywhere, everywhere, every newspaper, yeah, every radio station. Well,
we used to have one hundred and twenty five employees.
I think we have now about thirty or forty. And
local news, local TV news. Everybody's going to streaming.

Speaker 6 (31:48):
They want everything tailored to their political opinion and their
point of view, so they get their news from places
like facebooks and Twitter feeds.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Good.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
Not good.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
This is not news. These are not professionals. We'll talk
about magical history tour. But is this good to bad?
For the for the republic, for the democracy good? Or
isn't it bad? It's terrible.

Speaker 6 (32:06):
It's terrible because we used to have people staffing all
of the local government meetings and they had somebody looking
over their shoulder, so you know, before they did something wrong,
they would look both ways.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
It's a sure enquire here. Yeah, who's listening? Not anymore?
So what have we seen since then?

Speaker 6 (32:21):
We see scandal after scandal, corruption, stupidity, no watch dog, No.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
No, we're gonna have a mayor who doesn't pay his
car payments. Yeah, yeah, he's kind of you know, right
now I have to appear of all us having some troubles.
But it doesn't make any difference. If the election were
held tomorrow, he would still give eighty two percent of
the vote. Absolutely, it's no joke. If they don't pay
your note, that sounds like an ad.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
And then council members, of course go to prison. Yes,
that's another issue. And then two or three more they
got bankruptcy problems, and they got they don't pay their notes,
and they know there's no In fact, I speak to
politicians off to Warren County Butler County, and I go
in and I said, do you have anybody looking over
your shoulder what you're doing?

Speaker 6 (33:04):
And the answer is uniformly no. No, there's no coverage
of what it shows.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
It does.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
It shows in what the kind of government we're getting,
which isn't good, not much.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Let's talk about the book before I forget. My friend
Fritz Horn wants to wish you a happy birthday, which
is coming up tomorrow. Tomorrow, I turned seventy eight years old.
Seventy eight, whoa, I know it. I don't know where
the years of six behind you? Six? Well, I always
said I want to be eighty. I hope to make
it to eighty. You'll make it. Make it eighty, bear,
look like you're going to make it. My body, by

(33:35):
the way, is sixty one. That Kerry Okus did this
big thing on me. You did the whole scan, did this?
Did that?

Speaker 6 (33:41):
He said, I have a body. He said, you're sixty one.
I said, well, that's not when my mother told to No,
I guess I'm forty forty. All right, let's talk about
the book first of all, before we do that, you
have an ex serb in here yea.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
And eighteen seventy eight. Yes, Cincinnati was shocked when grave robbers,
my ancestors took this so of a former president from
his fresh grave in North ben Yes, detective which almost
became Cincinnati. North Bend was close two hundred years ago
to becoming Cincinnati, but did norkhem. Yeah, but detectives found
the body hanging in a pit at Cincinnati's Ohio Medical

(34:15):
College eighteen seventy eight.

Speaker 6 (34:16):
It's quite that story. Oh, it's an amazing story. So
this guy who was taken the night he was buried,
his body was stolen from Congress Green Cemetery, which is
right across the street from the William Henry Harrison Memorial
on Mountain Nebo in North Bend, Okay.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
His body is hauled out of the grave the very
night he is buried. Do we know who did it?
Was it Old County? Was it William Cunningham? Might have
been your what is that great grande? He was a
grave robber, he was a resurrectionist.

Speaker 6 (34:42):
Please continue, Yes, So the mistake they made was usually
they took their bodies for dissection from the paupers cemetery
or what they called the colored section of the cemeteries.
And in those days that was common because those people
had no influence to object. But this time they took
President's son, William Henry Harrison's son.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
For one reason.

Speaker 6 (35:03):
Also, get this, he was also the father of a president,
his son, his own son, Benjamin Harrison Harrison became president later.
So this guy whose body they took has the unique
He is the single person in US history who was
both the son and a father of a US go
The son I think eighteen forty ninth President William Henry

(35:23):
Harrison died somewhat quickly.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yes, he died suddenly in his sleep. And then his son,
forty years later eighteen eighties, Yes, became a president. So
this guy was the son and the father of are
This guy was a notable this guy like a George Bush.

Speaker 6 (35:39):
Talk well, he was a well known person and very
beloved in the community. And when they found his grave missing,
of course, that was a huge scandal.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
There's some speculation.

Speaker 6 (35:48):
I think there's good reason to believe that the doctors,
the dean who ran the Ohio Medical College specifically asked
for that body because they often put orders in. And
I think, yes, in fact, there was I've learned.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
This he would last meet some Marco say about this.

Speaker 6 (36:04):
Here it gets better. I learned from my friend Lieutenant
Steve Kramer at the Cincinnati Police Museum that there was
even a custom called burking, in which people would kill
you for your body and sell it and sell your
clothes and jewelry.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Burking. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (36:19):
So, uh, let's say they see Bill Cunningham walking down
the street and some medical school student says, I want
that one.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
What they knock you over the head and bury.

Speaker 6 (36:29):
You strip your body of ball it's clothes, sell your clothes,
sell your jewelry. So anyway, so they chose the wrong
guy here, son of a president, and the family called
in Pinkertons from Chicago who came over to investigate. And
lo and behold, the son of the dead man finds
the body hanging in a pit at the Medical College.

(36:50):
The Medical College of Ohio was indirectly involved in trafficking
dead bodies directly.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (36:57):
I didn't want to make directly explain that. You think
we got problems today, wait an otr, we got problems. However,
the Medical College which is now U see the Medical
College of Ohio, would order up dead bodies to be dissected, Yes,
and they paid for them, and they would then bring
them and they'd drop them off. They found this guy

(37:17):
because people reported seeing a wagon pull up at the
Ohio Medical College, as it often did in the wee
hours of the morning, the dark of night, and dropped
off a long sheet wrapped object which looked a lot
like a body.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
How much would they pay for these bodies?

Speaker 6 (37:32):
It ranged depending on this the decomposition. If they were fresh,
they might get as much as twenty five dollars ten dollars.
It didn't take much to buy a body in those days.
And in fact, this thing got so out of hand
that there were riots in many cities when people would
find their loved ones on the table being dissected after

(37:53):
they'd been ripped out of the grave, and they were
burning down medical college.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
This happened.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
It was a famous riot in New York City where
a man was walking down the street and the students
were dissecting his recently departed wife in the front window.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Why what was the reason? There had to be a reason.
Did they want to find out where the kidney is,
where's the stomach, where's the heart?

Speaker 6 (38:14):
How does the pancreas? Why would yes, all physicians do
this all of the above They needed for the purpose
of learning surgery. They needed to know what they'd find
when they opened up the body, and they needed first
hand experience. So the problem then was that nobody was
donating their bodies for medical science, so they had no

(38:34):
source of bodies. Now, you can make some justification for it,
but the whole thing got completely out of control. Cincinnati
was like the hub of body snatching for the whole Midwest.
They found Cincinnati. Bodies had been shipped all the way
to ann Arbor for the University of Michigan Medical School.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Now you're worry about my family, I'm reading from the
inquir Story of the eighteen seventy eight William Cunningham was
a body snatcher who lived in Cincinnati, Ohio. A professional resurrectionist,
Cunningham provided corpse for area physicians and medical colleges, popular
popularly known as Old Cunny. Other names attributed to Cunningham

(39:14):
include old Man Dead in the Ghoul, that he was
born in Ireland, perhaps in eighteen oh seven, but came here.
He was a mortician, he was a medical director. He
was a funeral director, and he'd make money on the
front end, the middle, in the back. Yes.

Speaker 6 (39:29):
And he did it all at Washington Park. Oh yeah,
I can picture that. You can picture William Cemetery there
at one time, and that's where he would he would
pay the family to bury the body. He would then
and the dead of the knight he would pull them
out of the ground. He had a hook system under
the arms. We put the change down and pull him up,
rifle through the pockets, take out some gold teeth, and

(39:51):
then put the body next to him as he went
up and down Vine Street, saying to the corpse who
was dangling, say something funny, say something funny. And it
was so dark there were no lights out, just a
little handle light that And that's how my family got started,
My body snatcher, My my family roots go deep. I
guess six feet team now now to be consider this.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Just look up, William Cunningham. This could be your next book.
It might be, it might be another story. I was
talk about my friend and yours, Stan Chesley, and that's
in the book which is Magical History, Tour, Murder, Mystery
and Buried History. Explain about Fenn Fenn. I had on
Liz Bonus talking about the Fenn Fenn about an hour
or so ago. But explain about Stan Chesley recently departed.

(40:33):
Well rest in peace, Stan.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
But this was the downfall of a not only locally
but nationally and world famous litigator.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
He was the master of disaster.

Speaker 6 (40:45):
He was involved in all these huge cases, you know them,
the implant cases, the Hills now Beverly Hills, got to
start at Beverly Hills, Vegas. And this time I guess
most people would say, as you might, that he reached
a little two far and he was involved in one
of the most scandalous cases. In fact, at one point,

(41:06):
the federal judge during this trial said, I would like
to put all of the lawyers in jail. Really yeah,
with that Bamberger he was involved with. Bamberger explained, Bamberger
was the He was a bad He was a bad guy,
wasn't he. Bamberger was the bad guy. He was the
one who was The Wall Street journalmen they wrote an
editorial about this. They said, this whole case shocks the
conscience that there could be such unbelievably brazen bribery and

(41:32):
corruption in this case. But what you had here, Bill,
you know from the litigation's history that you had this
jackpot of these settlements where these drug companies, this drug company,
American Home Products had basically agreed to pay out unbelievable
amounts without any verification that these victims were actual victims
of the diet drug. So that the basically it's like

(41:54):
throwing chum in the water, and the litigation sharks came circling.
And that's when the big white, great white sharks came,
and that would be Chesley, and they brought in Bamberger,
who was judge. Yes, and he took twenty I think
it was fifty thousand dollars for.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Basically fixing the case. Let's go back in time just
a little bit. Fenn. Fenn was a diet drug, yes,
but it was thought to be the magic elixir, much
like current ozempig. Yes, but ozempig appears to be a
better drug than what fenfenn. We don't know. We'll know
in ten years. Yeah, we'll no find it, just like
we did with Everybody thought it was fantastics way, but

(42:31):
it affected a heart valve or something. It did. It
caused all kinds of problems.

Speaker 6 (42:35):
It also reduced the body's ability to even create serotonin,
which is what keeps you happy. So people who had
bet on this for a while lost the ability to
find joy in their lives. They it wasn't something the
body could repair. It was permanent damage, plus cardiopulmonary disease

(42:55):
and all kinds of side effects. Now were they somewhat exaggerated?
Oh yeah, mandously exaggerated by the litigators, But nonetheless there
are many, many cases of women, mainly women, who took
this drug and suffered for it.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
So the drug there were three lawyers, I forget their names.
One was a guy named Cunningham, not me. Yes, and
the three of them crowd all the cases and got
it before a friendly judge in northern Kentucky named Bamberger,
and they felt like they were overwhelmed a little bit.
How do we do this? So they brought in a
master of disaster, stan Chesley. Take it from there.

Speaker 6 (43:26):
Well, stan Chesley came in and he was hired because
he was the guy who knew how to work. He
was already working with the drug companies group that was
deciding who would be paid in the litigations. So here
he's got a conflict. I would think most people would agree.
If he's working with the drug companies to allocate settlements,

(43:48):
how does he end up also on the plaintiff's side
to get a settlement. So there's all kinds of conflicts
and things going on. A little footnote would be Bill Gallion,
who was the lead, one of the lead Kentucky attorneys
from Lexington, big, big shot at University of Kentucky, blue
blood guy. He also was pardoned by Joe Biden in
the autopen pardon scandal.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Really yes, so san Chesley, was it greed because this
guy was companies were frightening him. You get a letter
from san Chesley Pharmaceutical companies. He came up with the
theories of Beverly Hills that were the fabrics themselves. Yes,
gave off nations owners. No one thought about that when
Beverly Hills happened and was at nineteen seventy seventy seven,

(44:28):
and that was, okay, not much you can do. You
got the building is done, got a little bit of land.
But then stan came up with these novel theories of
how these three m and other companies were actually creating
fabric that caused the deaths. Suddenly there was one hundred
million dollars available and from there he was off and running.
This guy, he's a fabulous personality. I had lunch and

(44:49):
dinner with him when Mitch's house. Susan Delotte, federal judge
well knected, gave a lot of money to the Clintons,
got the appointment, et cetera, and they all good time.

Speaker 6 (44:57):
What mistake did Stan Chesley make? Well, I mean it's
pretty clear here when you looked. I sat through a
lot of days of this trial, and I watched the
deposition that was done, uh, and it was one of
the most hostile, extreme, uncomfortable depositions I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
I haven't seen very many, but that thing was unbelievable.

Speaker 6 (45:19):
If you were going to make a TV drama about
the stereotypical corrupt lawyer, that's what it looked like.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
He was a bully.

Speaker 6 (45:27):
He was absolutely uncooperative, and he kind of had this
attitude that the jury picked up right away, I believe,
which was that I'm Stan Chesli.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Don't you know who I am? And it doesn't play
well in court. No, it doesn't you know who I
Whenever you say to a copper, to a judge or jury,
don't you know who I am? You've lost from Yes,
So I think the federal judgement Bertlesman and Bamberger was
the benet judge, state court judge. He was a Kentucky judge.

Speaker 6 (45:56):
Yes judge, Oh okay, So anyway, at one point two, the
judge raised a lot of questions about how comes Stan
got immunity and all these other three guys, did you
know one of the guys, one of the lawyers in Kentucky.
His defense, and he got off this way, was that
he was too sousd to know what was going on
when these clients were being ripped off.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
So I'm drunk. Yeah, I was an alcoholic. Yeah, I
got it out and you get pulled over on I
seventy one? Hey, mister officer, I'm too drunk to be
pulled over. What that's a true story? He said, Look, judge,
I'm so drunk that jury bought it. And they bought it,
So how you're not yelty?

Speaker 6 (46:32):
He was drinking more than one of those half gallon
bottles of old Crow every day. He said, I had
no idea what these other two guys were doing, and
so they took pity on him.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
And well stan Chesley's now passed on, and he did
a lot more good than bad, but this wasn't a
good chapter in his life. Peter Bronson a Chili Dog Press.
How to the American people for Christmas get a copy
of this about the magical history Tour, Murder Mystery and
Barrett History four five short stories Peter Bron's and mainly
connected to Cincinnati. And how how did the American people

(47:03):
get to copy of the book?

Speaker 6 (47:04):
Well, you can get that signed copies at my website
which is Chili Dog Press dot com. And there's still
plenty of time to order those for Christmas also available
to all the local bookstores Barnes and Noble, Joseph Beth,
wherever books are sold in Cincinnati, and also on Amazon.
I like to support the local bookstores, but I understand
a lot of people love the convenience of Amazon and

(47:25):
the free shipping.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
There's this thing about Bill Cunningham, the body snatcher. Oh yeah,
there's a story there. There is a great story there.
I think I think we just scratched the surface. Peter Bronson,
you're the best. Thanks for coming on this afternoon, you Bill.
Let's continue as a pleasure. Let's continue with more news
next to your home of the Bengals. And if somehow
the Stealers tie to the next four games and the

(47:46):
Bengals sweep the next four, they're in the playoffs. That's
route for tie. That's route for ties with the Stealers.
On news Radio seven hundred WLW. I remember Joe.

Speaker 5 (48:02):
Yeah, Hello, Bietum Skokes. I'm broadcasting.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Segment of the Inchoir. Put out a long story about
what the Reds did to try to get Kyle Schwarber,
which was five years, one and twenty five million, a
twenty five million short And I'll say this, you loved him.
I love him. Never ever met him. I never met him.
It seems like a nice young man, very good, Yes,
good man. He's gonna turn Is it thirty three or

(48:35):
thirty four? He's thirty one now I believe we'll check
it out. But in order thirty two I think, I
think thirty two or thirty. But by the time this
is concluding, he'll be thirty seven. Strikes out two hundred
times a year, and he doesn't play defense. But I'd
take him anyway compared to him into that. You kidding.
Just let him dh and just let him hit. But
three times in the last quarter century, the Reds have said,

(48:58):
let's spend big bucks. Griffy r Almost two hundred million?
How did that work out? Not good? Then, Mike? How
about Mike Mustakis? Does ask sixty five million? Was that
was that disaster? How boutch of Mark Candelaria? Forty five disaster?
So he took me about show hey or what's his name? Aki?

Speaker 7 (49:17):
Or what the Japanese guy they got a few years
ago that turned out to be nothing? One time he's
back over in Japan. He played center field, the left hander. Yeah,
but the Reds have put out two hundred million dollars.
I'm sorry, three hundred million dollars and got nothing to
Griffy Junior, Mustakas and Candelaria.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
So I'm thinking, you know what, what the hell? But
do you pay him one hundred and fifty million dollars
over five years? What do you say?

Speaker 7 (49:44):
Well, they said that, I guess the thing that knocked
it into the Phillies.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
I don't know Willie. Maybe he didn't.

Speaker 7 (49:50):
He didn't want to leave Philadelphia, and they said that
they guaranteed that fifth year, and that's what kind of
jump started him to go to Philadelphia. So Red's made
and the Oriel made him the same as offered him
the same money as Philadelphia did.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
He he turns He was born March fifth, nineteen ninety three,
so he turns thirty three years old in March.

Speaker 7 (50:12):
So he doesn't he doesn't play in the fielding, so
he just he's gonna stay healthy. Well, you know, all
ask dudes run the bases after a home run. But
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Speaker 7 (50:57):
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one and fifty five million dollar deal deal.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
So he got more of a deal. He got a
deal deal, He got more of a deal deal, and
Swarmer got I would have taken Swarm over the Polar Bear.
Yes or no? Yes, go ahead? Bengals update.

Speaker 7 (51:17):
Let's see the Bengals today signing wide receiver Xavier Johnson
to their practice squad's first year player out of Ohio State,
Cincinnati navid native, and he started Summit Country Day defensive
ends Shamar Stewart remember him, huh, he's he's He's cleared
the practice now. So that's another bus that he's been

(51:40):
out since November fifteenth with a knee injury. He's been
out since August. T Higgins limited again today at practice.
How about his catches with his concussion protocol? He played,
He played, He gave it all in the field of honor.
Back to the Reds. They are considering maybe trading for
Kettle Marte or Brandon Low.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Eh So, I don't know Brandon Low. He's Kettle Marte.

Speaker 7 (52:07):
He's Kettle Marte is with the Arizona Diamondbacks.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Is you any good? I think so? See what else?
I'm still angry about this Swarmer situation. So you're saying
it was only a mere thirty million dollars five million
a year plus the fifth year, it was only a
thirty million?

Speaker 6 (52:26):
Is that what I'm saying? Only thirty million? Rights that
a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
To you right now? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (52:31):
Yeah, maybe not to you or a Rocky. There's a
lot of money to me.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
I'm a hard one, seg I'm the voice of the
common man, for God's sakes.

Speaker 7 (52:39):
Miami RedHawks in college basketball tonight are at unc Ashville
and Minnesota takes on number six per Due.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
It's sixty days until Super Bowl sixty. Of course, the
Bengals don't think wait a minute, I'm watching Fox Sports
this morning. Yeah, the windows open this year for the Bengals.
Are you ready? They better get some Teme Starr and
get some heat in there. Steelers lose or tie Miami. Yeah,
bengalspeed handily the Ravens. Okay, all right, then it's down

(53:11):
to two games and the next three games. If the
Bengals win the next three and the Steelers lose one
of the remaining three after they tie and tie one
of the next two after that, the Bengals are in.

Speaker 7 (53:23):
Also, Willie, we say happy birthday today to number nine
Bill Plummer, Joe Burrow Brow, Happy birthdays twenty nine. Right,
Hot Stove League back to Baseball Hot Stove League tonight
at six oh five, they're going to be talking to
Mark Sheldon, who has been at the Winter Meetings that
ends today. What its hesa and reliever Emilio Pagan is

(53:45):
a special guest. He signed for a two year deal, right, Yeah,
he was twenty million. Generally he was pretty good. Yes,
not all the time, but you know, you got your
ups and downs. You know that it being a sportsman
that you are. Now, I have many ups and downs
in my I want to have more ups and downs.
Does I know that so I have too many downs,
not enough ups. If they've got your tongue stuck to

(54:06):
a metal pipe in the winter time, No you mean
like out in the out in the playground, or like
that like that movie.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
No you second list, get back to the commercials. Okay,
give me out of the stuture. By the way, we
have Carrie Severino coming up after two o'clock, and then
tomorrow allegedly Jackson Trumpy will be here.

Speaker 7 (54:26):
Willie and honor of a cold day here at a
trice date and rain. We leave you with the immortal
words of the Stooge report.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Always could be with you, Bill, See you later, Mike
Dawine on news radio seven hundred w L Bill Cunningham,
The Great America. One of the great conservative attorneys in
America is Carrie Severino. Unfortunately she has a law degreeted

(54:57):
from Harvard, which is was a great universe, Not so
much anymore. I'm not sure. She also was a law
clerk to the great Justice Clarence Thomas, and she was
instrumental and getting Amy Coney Barrett and Brett cavanall both
affirmed by the United States Senate. Wrote a book with
my good friend Molly Hemingway on justice, on trial, the
Kavanaugh confirmation, and the future of the US Supreme Court,

(55:20):
and so much more. So once again, Carrie Severina, Welcome
to the Bill Cunningham Show. First of all, Kerry, tell
us about this campaign finance case. We then have the
tariffs case. We then have the Administrative state case, We
then have the fourteenth Amendent case, so much more. First
of all, what's before the US Supreme Court and the
campaign finance matter.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Yeah, this has to do with an aspect of campaign
finance law that says that party committees cannot coordinate certain
expenditures with a candidate. And what's going on here is
a challenge saying, Okay, years ago, when some of these
campaign finance laws are put in place, there was a
lot of stuff in them that in fact doesn't comport

(56:02):
with the First Amendment. It's limiting people's First Amendment rights
to particularly political speech. And the Court piece by piece
has been kind of addressing this over the last decades.
And if you look at it in light of today's
understanding of free speech, this doesn't this just limitation doesn't
make any sense because the only thing that the Court

(56:23):
said you can limit political speech for is to avoid bribery,
quid pro quo corruption with I give your campaign money
and you do something for me, and that's just simply
not a threat. When you're talking about coordination with a
Republican Senatorial committee, for example, which is are the litigants
in this case.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Kerry Severino, Explain to the American people, why why is
money free speech? Because many people think there's too much money.
I don't let everybody talks my viewpoint, but American the
Democrats want to limit it, and the Republicans certainly want
to have unlimited Why why is money equal to free speech?
Explain that to the American people.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Well, look, in today's world, we're not campaigning by standing
on a soapbox somewhere. And even if you were, someone's
got to pay for that soatbox. You know, in order
to be able to broadcast your message, you need to
be able to pay for ads, to pay to get
to different places in the country to give those speeches.

(57:22):
And for someone it's not just the speech of the candidate,
it is the speech of the person. If I want
to support that can and speak in favor of that candidate,
do I have to run my own ads? No, I'd
like to donate to someone who can help run those ads,
and that's that is my speech as a donor as well.
You know, I agree it can be really frustrating the
amount of money and politics how expensive that is. However,

(57:46):
if we're going to have a republican democratic, democratic republic
where we can communicate and have the American people weighing
in on these things, they do need some way of
getting that information, and unfortunately that's going to cost some money.
And the bottom line is, even if it were if
we think it's better to not have that kind of speech,
well great, you just have to go back and amend
the Constitution to do that. And if we could get

(58:08):
a coalition across people to say, hey, we're going to
limit it, fine, we can do that. But as it
stands right now, the First Amendment does protect speech. We
know the framers, particularly of all types of speech. They
wanted to make sure we protected political speech, and so
I think that's why I expect the court to be
very protective of that in this NRSC case.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Kerrie Sevareen, I want to pick your mind on this
fourteenth Amendment issue. When it was passed in the eighteen
late eighteenth maybe it was eighteen sixty eight after the
Civil War, everyone intended it to include the slaves that
the Democrats held in bond each for like one hundred
and two hundred years, and the Republicans fought to free.
That's a different issue. And all of a sudden, the
fourteenth a membo of the past one hundred and sixty years,

(58:50):
has morphed into something different that if you're born in
this country, you're automatically a citizen. Where do you stand
on the fourteenth Amendment? Automatic automatic citizenship for those born
here even though their parents are here illegally.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
So I think this is something where originalism means it's
a tougher question. Then again, just what do we think
is a good system today?

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Boy?

Speaker 4 (59:12):
Our immigration system looks a whole lot different, doesn't it
than it did in eighteen sixty five? You know, our
social services look a lot different. It used to be.
You came here, First of all, you'd have to show
that you actually could support yourself, and second of all,
if you couldn't, you're not going to have the type
of incredibly involved social services where you're going to get

(59:34):
the education and the food and the everything else. So
it's a different cost benefit analysis so definitely things have changed.
The question is what did the Constitution mean? And that's
really a question for historians. So that's where I think
the briefing in this case is going to be important,
because we can debate all day long what is the
best system, But again, sometimes that might mean going back
and saying, Okay, we need to amend this to clarify it. Well,

(59:57):
as you said, the one thing we know for sure
it was supposed to cover was the freed slaves, Absolutely right,
But I think there's wrinkles about Okay, you know, we
also know it's not supposed to cover say, an invading
army or children of people who are here in a
diplomatic mission or something. But there's a lot of gray
area in between that we've historically been allowing the birth

(01:00:18):
right citizenship we have now, but that isn't spoken to
directly by the words, and so I think that's where
we're going to have to look and see as the
court drills down and says historically what was really understood
in eighteen sixty five by that language.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Is it fair to say that those who drafted the
fourteenth Amendment did not take into account fifteen or twenty
million illegals, many having children inside that they did not
think about that when they drafted the fourteenth Amendment.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
It's hard to imagine how they could have right a
very different situation. That's one of the challenges with interpreting
our constitution is going, Okay, you know, they could just
like search and seizure. They couldn't have imagined cell phones
and what do we do with cell phone records? So
the court is tasked with trying to interpret this language
in light of some of these the changed realities of
the chaise's world.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
So if the court that you've studied your entire life
says it's up to the electoral process, the fourteenth Amendment
could be amended because it takes two thirds of the House,
two thirds of the Senate, three fourths of the states,
the Democrats would never support that. Therefore, the fourteenth Amendment
will not be amended. Therefore the status quo will be maintained.
Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
Well, assuming that that was true, But I have to say,
I think we've seen a shift on this over the
last few years because people had become so concerned on
both parties of the number of people streaming across the border.
So I don't think we can guarantee that that lineup
is you know, forever. There's no way this ever gets changed,

(01:01:47):
I really think. But again, we also don't even know
the ultimate answer on the historical question yet, so that
might be putting the cart before the horse.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Carrie Severino, the Judicial Crisis Network. Let's talk about the
administrative state that Democrats love, the administrative state, unelected bureaucrats.
And I guess the argument is, we have an elected president,
we have an unelected bureaucratic state making decisions that may
be against what the American people want. So on one hand,
you have the growth of the administrative state, especially the

(01:02:17):
last fifteen or twenty years, that has taken over the
rule of law in this country, all unelected. On the
other hand, we elected a president, Donald Trump. Does Donald
Trump have the power to discharge someone in the administrative
state or it could be someone really important, like setting
interest rates without cause simply because she's unelected. So should

(01:02:41):
an unelected bureaucrat trump an elected president.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Well, when you put it that way, right, it sounds
pretty crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
Obviously we have no question about when a new president
comes in, does he get to change out the Secretary
of State? Of course, does he get to change out
the secretary, of course, so we understand that personnelis policy.
If you can't change the heads of these major agencies,
then how are you going to have the policy that
the American people just elected in a new president come
into effect. The problem is we've created over the last

(01:03:12):
ninety years, at least since this case that was being
reconsidered now a state, there were people call these agencies independent,
and that's.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Kind of frightening.

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
Independent of who, independent of the president and the legislature
and the judiciary, you have a free floating, you know,
horde of a thousands of people working for something that
doesn't really fit comfortably in our constitutional system. This is
not the three structures of the triparte governments that we
all learned about in civics class or in schoolhouse rock.

(01:03:45):
So I think this is a great step that the
Court is coming back and looking at this. It's actually
something they've been looking at and questioning the wisdom of
for the last you know, several years, because we started
to recognize how important those structural limits are and how
far our current system has strayed. I think, you know,
there was a lot of talk during arguments about just

(01:04:07):
the sort of more I think they aren't you going
to just totally upend the structure of government. And the
bottom line is, if our structure of government is that
far outside the constitution, then heck, yeah, we're we're going
to upend all of that unconstitutional stuff. Take out those
weeds so we can get back to what the constitution
actually said. And if you're saying that's a night and
day difference between the government we have now in the

(01:04:28):
constitutional system, then that's all the more reason we need
to get to work.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Kerrie Savarino. It's called the fourth branch of government, which
is the administrative state, the irs, etc.

Speaker 6 (01:04:37):
The Federal Reserve, all that stuff. There's tens of thousands
that have can only be fired with cause, and that
is something put in by the Congress so Congress can
control the president. In this case the Federal Reserve, the
president got sideways. One of the governors goes of our
mortgage rate. I guess misrepresentations, and the president says, I

(01:04:57):
want her to go, but her term wasn't up. Congress
said it, well, it must be for cause. So I
guess the issue is if the administrative state is the
fourth branch of government, where does that exist in the constitution.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
Yeah, well, the fourth branch is clearly not in the constitution.
Now the Federal Reserve is going to be another sticky issue.
The case we just heard argued was about the Federal
Trade Commission, and I think that one is clearly going
They're clearly going to say, hey, the president, if it's
not there's no such thing as an agency that's existing
in limbo here. If this is an executive agency, the
head of the executive branch, that is, the president, has

(01:05:31):
to have control over it. I do think from the
way oral arguments went that there's been some suggestion, including
on behalf of the president's lawyer, saying, Okay, the Federal
Reserve is a little bit different, and they're going to
argue that case. And I think that probably is going
to come down more to whether this is really for
cause or not, and if it's not for cause, they're

(01:05:51):
going to open up a whole new can of worms.
Because the Federal Reserve is going to be it still
might end up that the president has controlled of it.
I don't know where the court land on it, but
it's going to be a slightly different question than the
all of the other independent agencies because it's just a
different beast.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Isn't cause a subjective term. One person's cause is another
person's irrelevancy. Really, if I think the female governor one
of the Federal Reserve was a more conservative person, the
president would say that there's no cause. On the other hand,
if you want to get rid of somebody, there is cause.
You have to find something. And so the arc form

(01:06:28):
is for cause. Who determines what is cause?

Speaker 4 (01:06:32):
Well, that's where the court has to come back. And
if you said for cause because she's wearing white shoes
after Labor Day and I can't abide by that, you
know the courts are going to say, Okay, no, that's
not sufficient. So there's a whole body of case law
and what kinds of things you can include is for cause?
Otherwise you're right, it would just be a blank check
and it doesn't really mean anything. So so I think
the question is going to be whether when you have

(01:06:53):
someone who's in a position of financial trust, like being
on the Federal Reserve, that that type of more misstatements
in her mortgage applications is going to qualify that's sufficiently
similar to the kind of work she's doing at the
fed that this would qualify his cause. And I think
that those arguments are going to be held in January.

(01:07:14):
We're going to find out where the court stands.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
On that, all right, Kerrie. Lastly, Carrie Severine, I love
picking your mind tariff's legality or not. The President has
hanged his hat on the issue of tariffs. They're quick,
they're effective, It's raised hundreds of billions of dollars. Supposedly,
it may impact inflation down the road at some point.
Presidents said a day or two ago that Europe's going

(01:07:38):
to impost tariffs on China. China is going to impost
tariffs on Europe if I have to wait for the
Congress to enact something that's going to be impossible as
a consequence. Give me your crystal ball, Carrie Severino. On
tariffs legal or not under the Constitution.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
I think the way that those arguments went, I suspect
the Supreme Court is going to say that the President
is taking this tariff power too far because and what
they're concerned about is not just what's happening today and
what President Trump's doing, but if you let declaring an
emergency be considered incredibly broadly, the next Democrat president can say, well,

(01:08:15):
it's a climate crisis, and that's an emergency, and I'm
going to put one thousand percent taxes on everything made
with petroleum products. You can't have language that is so
broad that it becomes meaningless. And so I think the
Supreme Court struggling with how do we make sure this
language isn't a complete blank check of a meaningless term
that any president can just do whatever they want with

(01:08:38):
the tariff power. That makes me think they're going to
probably want to limit this. That means limiting it for
President Trump, but that also is going to mean limiting
it for future Democratic presidents as well. Honestly, well, we
only find out when they come out with the argument.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
About a minute remaining that trump'ster claims is going to
be a financial crisis if he doesn't have the ability.
I know, the Costco and others are suing the president
for billions of dollars they get the money back, And
one of the questions of one of the justices was, well,
what happens if we go with your viewpoint and the
president considers what if we say a tariff is like

(01:09:14):
a tax, and the tax is only raised or lowered
by the Congress, what if there's economic crisis causing a
great depression to the Supreme Court justices, you know so well,
would they react to the practicalities of a crisis that
their order would create.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
I think the challenge is at this point you've got
both sides saying there's going to be a crisis. If
we did have a depression level event, then I think
your president would have a much easier time saying, Okay,
this is a clear emergency, and you might you might
have a Supreme Court that is more sympathetic. But I
think at this point it's challenging because both sides are
going to say are telling you the sky's falling, and

(01:09:52):
they can't both be right. So the Supreme Court's job,
they're not really economists at the end of the day,
to determine who's who's predictions about the markets are correct.
They're having to look at what are the legal terms here,
and you know, sometimes that might mean that the guy
who is making all the correct economic predictions doesn't have
the legal grounds. Nonetheless, one of our problems in our

(01:10:15):
country right now is Congress is not doing what it
should be in many cases in terms of passing bills.
You've gotten some good ones passed recently, but for the
buy and large, we need them to be actually taking
the reins and doing the legislating and rather than just
leaving it to presidents. So they need to actually be working.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Get out to your crystal ball, Carrie Severino. You know
Clarence Thomas quite well. He wrote a great book a
few years back. It's one of my great guests. Love.
I love the life and Times of Clarence Thomas. How
cognizant is he of the biological clock? Father time is undefeated, untied,
unscored on and come next summer will there be pressure

(01:10:53):
on him to step down so this president can appoint
someone with the same philosophy.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
You know, people are always asking these questions, and I
think people make a very different analysis for their own
selves than they do if you're just looking at the strategy.
I don't think that that's the fundamental thing. And you
even heard President Trump recently just say, you know, these
are great justices, and honestly they're both kind of living
their best lives. Justice Thomas and Justice Alito, who's the
other one that gets talked about a lot. I haven't

(01:11:22):
heard him say anything about plans to retire, But you
know your guess is as good as mine. Stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Well. I hope he serves along, Hope he never dies.
Hope he's like Methuselah. Hope he lives nine hundred years.
It's unlikely, but we need to keep the court in
our hands because God knows at times that people get
it wrong all the time, and the Court's there is
a stallwarts for individual freedom and rights. So in the
campaign finance, you think you're in good shape. Tariff's lawyer,

(01:11:47):
legality not so good to shape, Administrative state good shape.
Fourteenth Amendment not so good a shape. Do I have
that right?

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
Well? I feel the last one's a little hard to
predict until I hear the arguments on the fourteenth Amendment.
I don't really know where we're going, but I think
your other estimates. That's that's the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Line, all right, Carrie Savarina, you're the best of this.
May God bless you and God bless America. Carrie, Thank
you very much, God bless you all. Let's continue with
more news coming up your home of the Reds and
Bengals News Radio seven hundred w l W. Obviously this
one hurts, but no, we'll come back stronger.

Speaker 5 (01:12:25):
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Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
And I rock. I'm glad you're here to defend Notre
Dame because the ads are going after yesterday. They're going
after Notre Dame. Because you think you are. If you
think you're so big, join a conference like the Big Ten.
Play some real football games, not against Stanford, not against
a bunch of sisters of the poor.

Speaker 5 (01:12:52):
Play.

Speaker 8 (01:12:52):
We basically play an a that's well, that's not very good.

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They could be year to year. Usually they're pretty good.
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You might play a Stanford. No, you don't play well,
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I mean they're in the ACC so they know you
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you think you are? Yeah, the other edias are saying,

(01:13:21):
once again, who do you think you are?

Speaker 8 (01:13:23):
Notre Dame doesn't feel like splitting the money. Remember last
year they go, they go the National Championship Game. How
many other schools within their conference data to split the
money with zero? That's all exactly, And the NBC deal
that pays them as much as any conference.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Catholics care about money, gambling and beer, Is that correct?
Pretty important stuff. Yes, So the Notre Dame would have
gotten five million dollars. Now they get nothing, and you'll
love it. Yeah, yeah, five million dollars. I mean they're
got a nineteen billion dollar endowment. How much nineteen billion?
So say, okay, say it was three going to a
three million to play in that ball.

Speaker 8 (01:14:02):
It's gonna cost a million to you know, for travel
and odd stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
So how does you see do against the base. It's
not going to be noted.

Speaker 8 (01:14:09):
Everyone's like, oh, we get the last chance. The fans
will see that the twenty twenty five fighting Iris. No,
it'll be there'll be twelve guys that you know that
are going to declare for the drafts. Remember a couple
of years ago in Florida State, they finished thirteen to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Oh and then they were angry. They didn't get to go.

Speaker 8 (01:14:24):
Right, so a lot of them opted out and they
got absolutely destroyed by Georgia and that kind of set
off a chain reaction of let's call it mediocrity ball games.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Right, ball games are.

Speaker 8 (01:14:36):
Done, you can tractually obligated to say that the Bulls
are a great.

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Thing, they're wonderful. The Toilet Bowl, the Fiesta Bowl, the
Bowl Ring, I don't know, Liberty Bowl, I'm taking Navy,
I mean it. I mean those are all kind of
like side show things.

Speaker 8 (01:14:54):
Bulls originated back when college football was more regional and
you weren't traveling over place.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Say let's let's meet up here and let's play in a.

Speaker 8 (01:15:02):
Bowl game in Southern it'd be great and fans to
finally get to get a chance to see you.

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But it's just a different world. Now, say give me
in a stuite report because we have to get back
to the commercials as soon as possible.

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That I played BYU would have been the Mormons versus
the Catholics, and Joe Frederick would have made a boatload
of money.

Speaker 8 (01:15:33):
Speaking of I'm glad you mentioned that Mormon. How did
how did BYU join the Big twelve? How'd that work
out for him?

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
They did? They all of a sudden, go to the stratosphere,
and they don't like the Mormons anymore.

Speaker 8 (01:15:43):
They like the Cat I'm saying, everyone's saying, notre dames,
you'd join the conference by conference?

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Are are they in the college football playoff? Does that
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Not sure, they played Texas Tech and a championship. I
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You know they play Iowa State and Kansas State, and
you know it's big twelve teams.

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Baylor, I mean a Mormon's big hitters or Mormons like Violet.
I don't think Mormons. I watched that show. Bearcat fans
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I love more American Primeval and the Mormons were some
bad dudes, and bring him young back in the day.

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Bring the pop Tart Bowl? What is that the pop
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play Are they're going to say all that?

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Well, they're gonna play, but the question is how many
of their players are going to play in the game.

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Don't know there's top guys are Mormons? I love Mormons?
Please continue? Well, Bengals up.

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Let's see.

Speaker 7 (01:16:52):
The Bengals have assigned wide receiver Xavier Johnson to the
practice squad, first year player out of Ohio state since
any native attended Summit Country Day. Chamar Stewart is back
at practice.

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About that Rock.

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Shamar has since mid November with a knee injury t
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Get the latest on the winter meetings tonight?

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You defend the Reds at all Rock? They offered five years,
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five million dollars less than the Phillies twenty five million.

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Less in baseball terms these days. Is that a lot
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Not much money. Bas seg. I love you dearly, but
you're not as serious.

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He was promotion. It's easy. People would show up to
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Speaker 7 (01:18:00):
Pete Alonzo Willie, speaking of the polar Berry leaves the
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deal to join the Baltimore Orioles.

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Seg your rock, your reaction to that one?

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No comment?

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Please continue? He's making more than Swarmer.

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Happy birthday, he probably got a birthday. He's twenty nine.
He's getting old. He's getting old. Does Philip Philip Rivers
have a chance. He's a grandfather. He's forty four. He's
a grandfatherland. I mean, I'm interested in you know, you're
looking Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Flacco. But Flacker has

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been playing. He hasn't played for five years. It's true,
five years. It's a disaster in that five years a
long time. It's a long time.

Speaker 7 (01:18:56):
The culture of the talk of the NFL until like
a few weeks ago, they've they've followed on hard times.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Daddy injuries, injuries, injuries. Berton Itis is when you were
a high draft pick for the l s U and
then you come here and we don't know why, what's
the problem. What is the problem with Burton? Why can't
he function as a wide receiver? He's unclaimed by nobody.
Imagine if you were released by here and care is
he an essay?

Speaker 8 (01:19:21):
I didn't pick you up? How would you feel about that?
I talked about this with Tom Brennaman this morning. I've
seen it a million times. You get guys that show
you that want to play in the league. In their
whole life, they've been the fastest, the biggest, the best,
and you know they haven't had to put in as
much work. And the guys that make it in the
league are the ones that want to study the game,

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actually love the game and not what the game brings them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
And I'm not sure ever really grind it out, learning
the playbook and learn the grind it out. You got
to grind wide receiver, got to grind it like ozempic.
Gotta grind, You gotta grind, you gotta grind, you gotta
grind segment.

Speaker 8 (01:19:58):
It's crazy because you know, someone like him, with with
the talent that a lot of other people would die
to have, they just can't make it because they're not
as physically talent, but have the will, have the they wanted,
you know, the desire to study. And he didn't know
what where to be called a slap in the face
of those guys. He's got this golden opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
It's kind of yeah, oh well, I guess sixty thousand
dollars a week to him is no big deal. He's
about to find out reality.

Speaker 8 (01:20:24):
I'm interested in this heck to see if anybody picks
him up, is then they pick a flyer up on
that he said unclaimed and one went through. So but
Jermaine Germaine, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Maybe'll go to the UFL.

Speaker 8 (01:20:35):
But he was I mean, he was a red flag
before the draft, and I know the Bengals felt they
stole a guy that had kind of first round talent
get him in the third.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Over all, right, And and I said, what you want
about Zach Taylor.

Speaker 8 (01:20:46):
I think he does a good job of, you know,
building culture and and doing all that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
And even he couldn't get him to Jamar Chase tried
like crazy because you know they're built the same they
you know, it's the same building, everything, same talent. One
is all time great. The other guy can't get on
the field. It's all about what's between.

Speaker 8 (01:21:02):
Wolves, football and the other loves of segment is not
as easy as I make it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Look. I know where you're coming from. And by the way,
you're not a serious person. Okay, thank him? All right, Rock?
What's on the big show today? I don't know. I
have no idea. Well, do you have your right?

Speaker 8 (01:21:16):
I get we got Dan Monk Kroger is telling folks
after first of the year, everybody's got to come back,
no more remote work back in the building. I would
hope that would have happened before this. Rodney McMullin would
have had him back quicker. Yeah, ending their work remote
work arrangements in January, and I guess they got a
new uh Kruger is a new delivery strategy involving.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
I always buy from I love Kroger. I buy from
West Barney.

Speaker 8 (01:21:42):
And then see at four o'clock we have our Glenn Clark,
who's our Ravens guys, the Glen Clark radio show, talk
about the big game this weekend, and then you're joining
us at five o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Got cold as the well Diggers behind today. It's going
to be cold on Sunday. But they just beat the Ravens.
Get the same playbook out, repeat the same and then
do it again. Beat them and if the Steelers lose
to the Dolphins, then have a two ties in the
last three games and the Bengals sweep out, they get
to the playoffs. Very simple, it's very simple segment. Let's
get back to the commercials. Give me out of the

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student's report.

Speaker 7 (01:22:15):
Will he and honor of a cold and rainy day
here in the tri State. We leave you with the
immortal words of the stood report.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Kid, don't get too high when it's great, it don't
get too low when it's back. Am I miss that guy?
Thank you, cowboy? I miss him and Tommy back at
it Rock. Good luck to you, thank you. Notre Dame
is too big for your breitches on seven hundred Ald