Gary Jeff Walker 1-6-26

It's the fifth anniversary of the Capitol riots. Gary Jeff talks to two men who the government tried to frame as being involved in the riots. Gary Jeff talks to John Gordon of the Blaze Network about the case against Nicholas Maduro.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
On this fifth anniversary of January sixth, twenty twenty one,
when thousands of Americans were incarcerated, pursued, persecuted for merely
doing what the Constitution says they have a right to do,
assemble and redress their grievances with the government. We have

(00:29):
Navy veteran, retired Navy Lieutenant commander. Let me set the
record straight on that Tom Caldwell, who is a j
six defendant as well, who has come out on the
other side, but not with bitterness, not with petty anger,
but a message about faith and how it got him

(00:52):
through the entire experience federal detention, ten week trial, facing
possibly life and presen for simply being at the Capitol
on January sixth. And he has written an incredible book
called The Mouths of the Wicked, a true January sixth
story of corruption, persecution, survival, and victory. And he has

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a message of things that we all need to be
mindful of as American citizens, about possibly what could happen
to us if the Strategic Implementation Plan for countering domestic
terrorism is weaponized again the way it was against those
January sixth defendants. And he joins us now, Tom it's
such a pleasure to have you. It's such a pleasure

(01:39):
to know that you have gotten through this not only
with flying colors, but as a beacon of light to
other people in other struggles they may be having with
your book about your faith. And I also, you know,
it kind of reminded me as I was thinking about

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this interview Tom. Not to place any kind of correlation there,
but I think there's some similarities how the Apostle Paul
was put in prison for merely preaching the Gospel of
Jesus Christ, and the letters that he wrote while he
was being persecuted became the basis for a great deal

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of our New Testament in our Christian Bible, with the
letters to these churches about perseverance and maintaining faith and
believing that God is in control. But it's great to
have you, Welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Thank you so much for having me back here. It's
always a pleasure to speak with you.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah. So what about my analogy about the Apostle Paul.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Well, that's pretty heavy and it's very humbling.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
As a matter of fact, you know, I spoke to
you about this book and how I began writing it
with the notes that I had smuggled out of prison
to my darling share, and she kept them, thinking those
would be the last communications she'd ever gotten from her husband.
But I wrote this thing not in the warm afterglow
of the victory provided by the Lord, ultimate victory, but

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as I went through it, and it was it was
an awful thing. I wrote this to serve as a
witness to the hoax, the dangerous lawlessness, the corrupt time
of our nation that we refer to as the Biden administration,
but also to witness to the grace and the redemptive
power of a loving God. And as I participated in

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my Bible study.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Every day with my darling wife.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
The lessons of the Bible really rang through because I
could identify just as you talked about, I could identify
with how Paul was was just attacked and brutalized in
so many ways, his freedom taken away from him, and
so many other heroes of the Bible had to go

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through a lot of stuff. And I certainly didn't think
at that time that I was doing anything heroic. I
was only trying to survive. But one of the great
things that I learned is that the Lord is in control.
Sharon and I, my lovely wife, had to stay in
faith and maintain hope and do what the Bible said,

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which is was pray. And you know it's just in Philippians.
It's okay to present your request to God, but with thanksgiving.
How about thanking him first, you know, for the effort,
if you know what I mean about this, for the effort,
and then present your request, and the peace of God,
which transcends all understanding, will guards your hearts and minds

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in Christ Jesus. I never knew what that meant before
until I was in this in this swamp created muckile.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
That was January sixth.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
You didn't know, but God knew that was the important thing.
So let's go back to what brought you to the
detention and what exactly did Tom Caldwell do? What heinous
crime did you commit that had the full weight of
the prosecution of the federal government coming down upon your head.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I went with my wife on j six to Washington, DC,
the city of my birth, to hear the outgoing President
Trump makes his last statements to a huge, loving, appreciative crowd.
It was a carnival happy type of atmosphere. And then
I made the mistake of trekking down Constitution Avenue, which

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is my right to do, and sitting off the grounds
of the Capitol of a place called the Peace Fountain,
waiting for other conservative and Christian speakers who were scheduled
to speak.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
On the ground was that day.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
And when I got home that night and saw the
images that were on TV of the violence and this
that I had no idea what happened.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
I mean, I was there, I didn't see any of
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
And so because I had actually met a member of
one of the targeted groups selected for persecution by the
DOJ cabal, that was the Oath Keepers, because I actually
knew a couple of their members, and one of them
actually had my phone number in her phone under my

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rank veterans do this that I held on active duty
as Commander Tom when she was arrested and her phone
received within two hours, the FBI had an arrest warrant
for me as the commander of the Oath Keepers and
the commander of the attack on the Capitol.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
And that you can't even make that out. This is
the new FBI.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Well, I mean talk about a lack of the intelligence
just generally on the part of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation that just because of the phone they see, Commander
called without doing any more digging into who you were really,
and they just came and scooped up. That's just what

(07:18):
I mean. What a bunch of fumbling, bumbling idiots.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
We could call them cheestone cops, except that generates an
image that's comedic, right, this is one that should be frightening.
When they have descended with SWAT team here at our home.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
They had no idea.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
They didn't know I was a veteran, and they didn't
know I was a disabled veteran. They didn't even know.
In fact, they claimed in the press for months that
I lied. They didn't even know that I used to
work for the FBI. I was a GS thirteen supervisory
employee of the FBI. Yes, indeed, because I wanted to
give back to my country. Talk about doing no investigation,

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how about just check the employee files of the Bureau,
won't you no doubt?

Speaker 1 (08:05):
All because you happened to know an oathkeeper and because
you went and watched President Trump's speech, wasn't there a comment?
And I believe in our last interview you told me
that one of the interrogators said, I bet you're Are
you still glad that you supported President Trump or something

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to that effect.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Sure, absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
They had a list talking about the FBI people that
interrogated me while I was in chage here at my home.
They were after something and they wanted me to provide
testimony against certain people, including the oathkeepers, people that I
didn't even know. But that was the most heinous thing
where this was clearly an anti Trump operation. We talk

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about it now as this was trying to make sure
that President Trump could never.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Get back and off. And I felt like a speed bump.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
And they said, exactly what you said, bet your star
you voted for Trump?

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Now?

Speaker 5 (09:06):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Bet you want to get rid of that naggi gear.
Now not let us stoop that up as evidence.

Speaker 6 (09:10):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
And I said, what is wrong with you? You know
that's my I was.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I was when I was aroused it out after having
only a couple of hours of sleep. I was not
that pleasant, although I was nicer to them than they deserve.
But you probably have to when you look at the
transcript of what I said, and I have it, and
some of it is in.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
This book that I wrote.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
You say, Okay, so now I have an idea of
why that thing is is it has a little little
marks like the emperors and and all this kind of stuff.
Because I was I was given it back to him.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Let me tell you, Tom, what is this Strategic Implementation
Plan for Countering Domestic terrorism?

Speaker 3 (09:51):
And why should more Americans know about it than do.

Speaker 7 (09:56):
Well.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
It was something that was declassified by Tulca Gabbert, the
Director of National Intelligence, and it was a policy that
was put in place. And I would point out that
the counter state and a counter state is a term
that I use for an organization loose or established that
is going against or counter to our constitution, and the

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counter the counter state is bipartisan.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Both sides of the aisle.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
So there was a thing that was corrected called this
Strategic Implementation Plan for Countering Domestic Terrorism.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
It was activated across all agencies.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
It was actually put in place just before January sixth,
and it established the Biden administration policy for the arrest,
the pre trial, imprisonment, and the prosecution on the whimsiest
of pretenses of people that were considered to be basically
enemies of the state. That includes parents who pitched the

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fuss at school board meetings, believer in free speech, Catholics
and other Christians, pro lifers, people that didn't want to
take the COVID jeb These people were seen as as troublemakers.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
And this was in this study. What should chill people
to the bone is this is the first time in.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
The history of the United States of America that our
government targeted US citizens as opposed to foreign people trying
to overthrow the government, as violent domestic terrorists. They turned
their attention on we the people.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
So what exactly was it?

Speaker 1 (11:37):
And as you outline in the book, by the way,
again we're talking to Tom Caldwell January sixth, defendant. The
book is The Mouths of the Wicked, a true January
sixth story of corruption, persecution, survival, and victory. Let's talk
about survival and what the victory is, because you know,

(11:59):
I think that's a big thing that you're trying to
get across with the tome, Tom.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
They threw every dirty trick they possibly could at us.
So many different agencies and administrations within the federal government
brought their powers to bear on me and I believe
so many hundreds of others of our citizens to do
things that were unlawful, made phone calls to get our

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credit cards canceled, they got us debanked, They stopped my
Social Security which was illegal, and my military disability payments.
So all of these things that they did to drive
us down and to try to get me to admit
to things that I did not do. Now, to do
something like that is an affront to plead for mercy

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from the mercilessness one thing. But when you take a
plee to you, you swear before God the things that
you are a are the truth? Now, how can I
do that? And I wasn't about to roll over, And
yet the pressure kept coming. And even though, as an
outline in the book, we beat so many of these

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charges in federal court, in the kangaroo court where there
was no chance to win, the Lord provided these victories,
and I could hardly believe it. And they kept coming
after us even after that are putting.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
I mean, Tom, Tom, your phone went kind of wonky
just for a moment.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
So okay, there you go. You're back again. So your
in federal court just continue where you were when I.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
So we had so many victories in federal court.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
There were five felonies that I was taken to trial
on all of them were nonsensical, but three of them
we beat outright, We've defined the odds. The doj had
been sixty five and oh prior to trying me.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
For these charges.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
These made up charges, and the Lord provided victories there
and victories afterwards.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Had the Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Weighed in and throughout one of these things that I
was charged with. So there were so many things that
sustained us along the way that we could see were
actually a manifestation of the promises that the Lord makes
to his children who accept Jesus Christ as their Lord
and savior. People who are not believers can't really wrap

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their heads around this, but I hope that they if
they have the commitment and the courage to read something,
to get out of their comfort zone and read a
book like this, I hope that I have made a
pretty compelling taste about the redemptive power of God. Our

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Lord and Savior married us, and I'll be glad to
speak to anybody about him, because I have met him personally.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
It's amazing. What were some of the charges, I'm just curious.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Well, one the biggest one was seditious conspiracy, and sedition
means overthrowing the government. This was the same kind of
charge that Abraham Lincoln brought against his political enemies to
wrap people up because he thought there were Southern sympathizers.
And there were a couple of other conspiracy charges again

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to stop Congress from doing their thing, to attack Congress physically.
All of those things I was found not guilty of,
and so I was found guilty. And we thought that
a jury trial in DC would result in everybody being
found guilty of something, but here it is. The other
one was called obstruction of Congress, and it was actually

(15:54):
a misapplied statue from the Enron scandal. It was about
financial crime, but the DOJ used it to turn simple
trust passing into a felony. Now I didn't go into
the capital, but they just slapped that on me anyway,
the trustpassing the real charge.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
The last charge that we've had to fight so hard
was this.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
They had my phone where I had taken a couple
of hundred photos of my day with Sharon that day
in January sixth, and they said, well, we look at that.
We can't find any evidence that you did something wrong,
so you must have destroyed it. So the charge was
tampering with evidence because we can't find it, you must

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have gotten rid of it.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
And that's the one that I was finally sentenced on.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Well, you know, praise God for President Trump for the
pardons you and fifteen hundred others.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
I mean absolutely absolutely, And you know, it's such a
it was such a wonderful thing. And he had talked
about doing that, and he got a lot of flak
for doing it too, but it was the right thing.
And a lot of people will say, well, now people
have been pardoned, and everything is huncle dunkle, everything is great.
But you know, Gary, that's not true, because people's lives

(17:10):
have been torn apart. You can't throw people in jail
for a couple of years for something they didn't do
and then just toss them back into society and say.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Fly be free.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Because many of these people can't get employment anymore. They
are scarred with the scarlet letter of Jay six. Families
have been torn asunder, but businesses.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
Have been lost.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
How do you begin again if you can't get alone,
if you can't get a credit card, if you can't
get a job, and so it's terrible.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
I'm hopeful that perhaps.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Somebody will get to the president, maybe it will be you,
and say mister President, how about helping these people get jobs.
You know, when you go for federal employment, there's a
little block there where people can say that they have
a hiring preference, like a ten percent hiring preference. Disabled
veterans get that for you.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Know, Accused murderers who were judged to be wrongly convicted
are recomferenced. I mean in the millions of dollars. Tom,
I would love to see the January sixth defendants who've
never been pardon be made whole in this way. The
mouths of the Wicked, the Mouths of the Wicked, a

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true January sixth story of corruption, persecution, survival and victory.
And the author and our guest, retired Lieutenant Navy Commander
Tom Caldwell, thank you and God bless you, sir.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
And Sam to you, Garry, thank you for having me on.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
You bet Tim Hale, another j sixer will join us
afternoons next on the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW. A
couple of years since we had our last conversation with
his next guest, but considering this is the five year
anniversary of what became a long nightmare for him and
so many other Americans, I thought it was time to

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revisit with the criminally funny J six Aer known also
as Tim Hayles, and he's back on the Nightcap on
this five year anniversary of January sixth, twenty twenty one,
when he and a lot of other people, as I mentioned,
were scooped up erroneously and illegally by a government that

(19:16):
was trying to cover its You know what, Tim Hale
is back with us tonight. Tim, how are you on
five years past January sixth, twenty twenty one.

Speaker 7 (19:29):
You know, I'm doing swell. It's a good day to
have a good day, hopefully, and and I'm extremely grateful
for you having me back on. I think this is
maybe the sixth time we've talked in the past few years,
and I just want to say, you know, for the
listeners that you've been a constant and consistent voice for
justice and I appreciate everything you've done.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
There were so many people I was talking with somebody
last night who who did the show in this time
slot last night, and he's talking about the horrible attack
on Congressman in the to their lives and repeating the
same mantras we heard over and over again from the
Biden DOJ and FBI in their administration about what actually
occurred and who the people were who were peacefully protesting.

(20:16):
You want to talk about your mostly peaceful protest. Uh,
it's certainly no. No buildings were burned and no sections
of the city were taken over. But uh, let's let's
let's reflect back on what actually occurred and what you endured.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
Jim, Well, sure.

Speaker 7 (20:34):
You know then. You know, with history everything is about
narrative framing. You know, the saying is that history is
written by the victors. I think we became the victors overall.
But it's it's easy to forget, Like nobody heard our
side of the story in the beginning. They just rounded
us up and called us terrorists. What people need to

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understand is that what you saw on TV was selective
clips very specific parts of the Capitol. I showed up
a half hour after anything happened. What happened was there
was this small perimeter staffed by like four police officers
around the Capitol, and some individuals who are very suspicious
tore those barriers down while Trump was still giving his speech.

(21:18):
None of us knew this happened, and we walked into
a trap. There were FBI agents and informants to the crowd.
I know some of their names, and I wish the
government would release all that. But yeah, we went there
for a speech. It makes no sense for us to
try to interfere with the certification. But when we're the
ones who wanted them to question the electors, I mean,

(21:38):
that makes no sense. We were there for a speech.
The Capitol police fired grenades into the crowd. They never
tell you that, and a riot was incited, And it's
just important for people to understand that there's another side
to the story. And you know, Sarah, we talked earlier
in the week and you'd mentioned Tianaman Square. It's important

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to remember that these kinds of things are not limited
to foreign countries. We only remain a free country if
we're vigilant about our own government. And unfortunately, I think
we're so divided in partisan way that it's impossible for
people to consider whether or not the other side was
set up and we were set up. And I think
most people kind of understand that now, even if they

(22:22):
don't know all the details. But it's important for people
to understand. Time after time, the narratives about Jay six
were proven to be live and it's just not for nothing.
I don't want anything bad to happen to members of Congress.
But like the pearl clutching, you know, the photo ops
of them hiding under chairs with gas masks. I mean,

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that's insane. They murdered protesters that day. There was no
police officer killed that day at all. And I was
incarcerated with a man named Julian Cater. He was a
man who was a refugee from the Lebanese Civil Wars,
you know, fathers of vet from overseas. He's a monk literally,
and they framed him for murdering officer Brian Sicknick. That

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man died of natural causes. It took them months, but
they released the other coroner's report months later, and for
years still they still call that man a cop killer.
They still lie about police officers getting killed. That's how
shameless the coverage of January sixth has been. This man's
life was ruined. He's going to be called the cop
killer for the rest of his life when he is not.
And that's true for a lot of people. Unfortunately, it's

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just shameless.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Ashley Babbitt was murdered that day by a Capitol police
officer she was unarmed, the Air Force veteran, was a mother.
She was actually trying to get people out of the
Capitol when she was shot.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Am I correct on that.

Speaker 7 (23:43):
That's correct? And you know it's interesting she was she
was actually actually punched. The guy in the face who
was causing chaos in that scene, his name was Zachary Alam.
I met him. He's an Antifa member. He confessed that
he's the one who broke the window where she got shot.
He wasn't shot though. And there's another gentleman named Christopher
Grider who's a witness to the fact that an officer

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walked up to and he identified him as a sergeant
at arms, walked up to Officer Bird and whispered into
his ear before she was shot. After she was shot, supposedly,
Bird said, who's next? This was flagrant murder.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, And the Capitol and the Capitol Police officer pulled
the trigger was treated like a hero.

Speaker 7 (24:26):
They all were. They all were. And this is the thing.
I believe a lot of those officers were good people
just doing their jobs. I think they were set up.
There were the Capitol Police and the Metro PD. The
Capitol Police were their first I think they were set
up more than anything, because I think that they I
think that they were understaffed and unprepared if you had

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the intelligence that I had. In terms of the discovery
the evidence, there were reports that day where the police
were given conflicting information. They were told to watch out
for Trump supporters, but they were also told not to
watch out for Trump supporters, look for Antifa, And so
the intelligence kept changing in the day. And like I said,
that initial perimeter was staffed by like four officers, two

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of which were small women. They were not prepared for this.
Even though the intelligence shows that they were expecting a
worse attack that day that didn't actually come. It doesn't
make sense what actually happened there that day. The police, though,
were often unprepared. They actually most of their injuries were
self inflicted. Nobody tells you that they maced themselves because

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of the wind. They weren't listening to their superiors. It
was a breakdown in the chain of command. And then
the MPD exacerbated the situation because of their hostility. They
showed up like stormtroopers, beating the hell out of people,
body slamming old ladies and such. But in terms of
the police, their own body cameras show that they were
saying they were set up. And the question is, well,

(25:48):
who set them up? If the Capital PD answered to
Nancy Pelosi and the MPD answered to Mayor Bowser, who
set them up, it wasn't me, so yeah, I mean
they Capital Police were treated like heroes though. And you know,
you know these the the fake Select committee hearing all
the police officers. I will say this about these officers
in particular, all the officers who testified in front of

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Congress about JA six were one liars. Michael fanone liar.
His own body camera shows he was pretending to be
passed out. Uh, he was opening his eyes, winking and
adjusting his camera, screwing with his camera. He was he
was playing possum. Literally, it's that's a whole like facade there.
Officer done the big, the big fat one. He was

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protected by the oath keepers who they tried to pretend
we're guilty of seditious conspiracy. The oath keepers protected protected
him from a mob, and then he lied and pretended
that his life was it was in danger. These are
sick people. Officer Gunnell, he lied as well, and all
of the officers. It was a female Officer Edwards. A

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lot of people have criticisms of this guy, Ryan Samsel,
who was involved in one of the first breaches. But
in the in the hearings, it's funny they'd say like, oh,
she was passed out and she woke up in a
puddle of blood. That never happened. She tripped over a
fence and then this guy Ryan Samsel runs over to
her and picks her up and then they have like
a ten minute conversation later. This never happened. This is

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called atrocity propaganda. It's what you would expect from Democrats,
but Republicans were in on it too. The congressional hearings
from before were a complete farce. And it's just important
understand I don't wish ill on police. So you had
people there with back the blue thin blue line flags.
It makes no sense that they would want to tussle
with the police for no reason. There was a riot
that was incited because the crowd was attacked and some

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police officers there were good people, but there are also
these ones that they keep putting out, including like you said,
Officer Byrd who murdered a woman in cold blood, and
they put them on this pedestal like their heroes. They're not.
They're just not.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Was there another protester killed that day.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
There?

Speaker 7 (27:55):
So there were two men who died supposedly from natural
causes from LEO heart related is shoes. But there was
another woman who died at the Lower West Terrace tunnel.
Her name was Roseanne Boylan, and she went down in
the tunnel area and protesters were trying to retreat her body.
She was having a medical emergency, probably because of all

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the mace that was deployed in her area in her direction.
She dropped. And then an officer named Lila Morris, And
I'm not saying she did this intentionally at a mouse,
but I think again because of incompetence. And she picked
up a stick like a like a branch, and she
started whacking. She started whacking Roseanne Boyland back and forth

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while she was screaming. So I think she was in
a state of panic and trying to hit anyone around her,
but she kept striking the body of Roseanne boiling. Roseanne
Boylan died. There was a protester there named Ronal mackame
Ronald mcabee, a former sheriff from Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
I I have interviewed him.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
He tried to assist Roseanne Boylan and he was pulled
off of her, and they acted like he was attacking them. Well,
he was trying to aid Roseanne Boilin.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (29:08):
And by the time they end up pulling her body
into the tunnel, the officers they attempt to give her
some sort of resuscitation. They you know, they put the
system on her to shock her. They don't even take
the covers off. They don't know what they're doing, and
she's it's too late at that point. And then unfortunately,
one officer actually says to another, is that one of
theirs or one of ours? And they say one of

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theirs isn't one of the protesters And they say fam
They didn't care.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
So you go back to these people were set up.
You were set up.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
The j sixers who wound up spending in many cases
years in prison, were set up. And the question you
asked was who set them up? Who set everybody up?
Who set the Capitol police up for failure and for
this nightmare that ensued. And I would suggest to you

(30:02):
you need to look deep within the covers of the government.
And I'm not talking about elected officials. I'm talking about
the cabal that controls the administrative state, a fourth branch
of government that's unconstitutional that many of us believe and
know exists, and the same cabal that tried so hard

(30:23):
to keep Donald Trump out of the White House again
because he doesn't answer to them. Am I off base
in that.

Speaker 7 (30:29):
Jim, No, not at all, sir. I think you're absolutely right.
I do think both parties, like both political parties, had
elements in Congress that probably had something to do with it.
I think both parties are culpable. But in terms of
the intelligence agencies, the law enforcement agencies, without a doubt,

(30:49):
there's no question about this. They were all present there
that day. The question is to what extent were they
culpable or involved, And the fact that we don't get
a clear answer on that makes it all the more suspicious.
You know, so far, they've admitted, kind of admitted that
there were approximately two hundred and seventy ish FBI agents presence,
that there were approximately thirty FBI informants or chs's presence.

(31:13):
They won't admit what they actually did. But if you
know anything like throughout your life, I'm sure you've seen
this thread in history or news where it's always worse
than they initially tell you. And so we know that
there were CIA assets deployed there that day. There were
canine units undercover. There were women walking around with baby
strollers who happened to have canine dogs canine units attached

(31:36):
to them. There were undercover MPD officers, the Electronic Surveillance Unit,
the Joint Terrorism Task Force. There were Bureau of Prisons
officers that were tacked out in DC that day. You
had cops who were actually stopping other cops who were
undercover because they failed to conceal their firearms and they
had to show ID to other police officers. This is
all on body cameras the public doesn't have. The Defense

(31:57):
Intelligence Agency had assets there that day. I know some
of them, the DEA, the ATF. You know, the fact
of the matter is the Department of the Department of Justice,
the Homeland Security, the Department of Defense. I give mine
so you know, for those that aren't familiar with our
past interviews, I was working for the government. I worked

(32:17):
for the Army for twelve years. I was and I
was an Army administrator, and I was a naval weapons contractor.
There were Defense Intel there were Defense assets there that day,
the d D, and I want to know how many
of them were working that day. Same with Homeland Security.
I think every three letter agency, even though it's it's
easy to point at the FBI because they're the most obvious,
I think Americans really need to start questioning what every

(32:41):
government agency was doing there that day. They should all
be audited. You know, I you had mentioned that we
were set up. I in particular, I crossed paths with
two FBI informants that day, and this is not something
that was made available to me at the time, but
through you know, research, I was able to identify FBI informants.
There was an FBI informant and the Proud Boys who

(33:02):
crossed paths with me, named James Knowles. He was never prosecuted,
but he was opening doors for people to walk through.
There was another one. His name was Michael Allen Jones.
This guy was a proud Boy and a Patriot Front informant.
I don't know if you know what Patriot Front is,
but for those who keeps me in those things where
these these fed looking guys and the khaki pants, the
white supremacy marching guys who just randomly show up right

(33:25):
that group is filled with informants, and this guy was
a sex offender and he was trying to get me
to move barriers that day. And they never gave me
the video, but they played it at my trial to
make it look like I was breaching things when I
was not. There were FBI informants all over the place,
they weren't prosecuted, and there were ANTIEFA members there. I
ran some of them in jail. Like I said, like

(33:45):
the guy who got bab As shot. There was so
much more to this that meets the eye, and the
American people like just like the moon landing or the
Kennedy you know, assassination or nine to eleven, whatever people
actually think about these things. I don't want Jancanuary six
to be one of these things. We're seventy years down
the line. Regular Americans don't know what to make of it.

(34:06):
I want the truth to come out. I don't if
I die without a penny in my pocket or a pocket,
I can die happy knowing that the truth finally came out.
But we're just not there yet. Everybody diserves the truth,
not even Jay six ER's everybody.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Some forty thousand hours of video was concealed and when
it got leaked, boy, people were on the hot seat
for leaking video that the government or someone did not
want released to the general public to show exactly what
was going on inside the capital.

Speaker 7 (34:35):
Tim that's extreme, that's so true. Well, first, I'll let
me say this, so I think, to the credit of
some in Congress, they've released some of the CCTV on
a rumble channel. You can find that there. It's not
all of it though, there's still a lot missing. There's
still a lot of cameras that have not been released,
and they don't want to acknowledge it. And I think

(34:57):
it's because they're protecting certain they'll call it a national
security interest. I call it FEDS. But you're right. Here's
the thing about an insurrection. Wouldn't you expect it if
what happened at the Capitol was an insurrection. I say
this all the time. Wouldn't it get more violent when
people got in the building. It's like the exact opposite
actually happened. The violence was a very specific parts on

(35:19):
the on the Capitol grounds where cops were attacking the crowd.
When people like myself walked in the building, we were
taking selfies with statues. There was no violence inside the building,
and that's the exact opposite of what would have happened
if there was an attempt at top of the government
when people were walking through velvet ropes like a museum,
because that's what it was. There's CCTV of me in

(35:41):
the Capital Visitor Center and I'm talking with police and
people are hugging the cops and stuff. We're talking for
like ten minutes and they're saying they're on our side
before they had to escort us out, because that's around
the time where Babbitt, unfortunately got shot. So there's way
more than this than meets the eye. And there are
so many defendants out there who, through your own personal
footage shows the police are welcoming them in, allowing them

(36:04):
to come in, saying, hey, don't break anything, don't steal anything,
but this is your right there even officers saying I
don't agree with you, but you have the right to
be here. That's America and it's the people's house. So
that's what people need to understand that it's not what
they said, totally different perspective.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
You have the right to assemble and you have a
right to redress your grievances with the government. It says
so in the Constitution.

Speaker 7 (36:28):
And even if, by the way, even if you wanted
to say it was a restricted area, which again people
didn't know because barriers were torn down before we showed up,
Even if that was true, you look at code pink
during the Kabitaugh hearings, you look at environmental rioters after
J six, you look at BLM before. The most you
would expect from something like this would be a picketting charge,

(36:51):
which is a local statue, or a misdemeanor, a federal misdemeanor. Worse,
you wouldn't hunt people down across the country and paint
them as domestic terrorists. Was unprecedented, and they weaponized an
Enron scandal statue to turn us into terrorists. It was
completely unwarranted and it's at a horrible precedent. And I
always say this, I'm an independent, not just a Republican partisan.

(37:13):
I'm an independent who supported Trump. I don't want this
to happen to my political opponents. I wanted to stop
and I want the truth to come out. It's a
terrible precedent. What they did could be used against the left,
you know, And it's ironic now that when they actually
use the laws for the right reasons, like to deport
illegal aliens, they say, oh, you're hunting down people for
political reasons. It's like, well, well, even if that was true,

(37:35):
and I don't agree with that framing, even if that
was true, who set the precedent you did? He cheered
it on. How they've cheered it on, when they cheered
it on when they were hunting people down for not
wearing masks in their own in their own in their
own neighborhoods or whatever. These are the people who wanted
people to have vaccine cards to fly. So I just
it's just the past few years was a horrible precedent.
I hope we can return to normalcy and get the

(37:57):
truth back. But you are on point.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
So has anything changed at all with President Trump in office?
You would you would expect maybe there would be a
little bit more daylight or sunlight on this.

Speaker 7 (38:15):
Now, Well, let me I'll preface this by saying, I
voted for President Trump three times. I willingly gave years
of my life in jail in prison and refused to
roll on him, refuse to blame him for what happened
to me. I am loyal to President Trump, And I'm

(38:37):
not going to blame him for what happened that day
because I think he was set up just the way
we were. And I'm grateful for being pardoned, and I
think all of us more or less are grateful for
the prison doors being opened up and people being released.
But here's where we're at currently. It's now a year,
roughly a year anniversary of the new administration. Approximately a

(39:00):
few more people have been pardoned. Initially, Initially, some of
the Proud Boys and oath Keepers were not pardoned. They
were just commuted. A couple have been pardoned since there
are still pardons that need to come for some of
those people though, friends of mine, and they're still waiting.
But here's here's where I'm at. The whole the whole
message of really, my whole message this whole time has

(39:21):
been about the truth and restitution. I think restitution is important.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Tim, I'm sorry, I'm running out of time. I ask
you a complicated question.

Speaker 7 (39:36):
I'll just say this. I think that I would like restitution.
We need that, but more than anything, we need the truth.
I think if President Trump wants his legacy to be member,
to be remembered properly, he needs to give the information
to the public about who set all of us up
and the Jay sickers, President Trump and America. We need
the truth out what we need.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Tim Hale, God bless you and congratulations on being for
Thank you so much. At January sixth, our friend John
Gordon joins us after the news w and joining us
for a few minutes. Is the man behind the Truth
with John Gordon, a syndicated radio show that I'm sure
is phenomenal. In fact, I've listened a couple of times.

(40:17):
It is phenomenal. He is a syndicated radio host. He
is also a person with extensive experience in the legal
profession and the law, and he joins us now to
start this hour. John wanted to ask you about the
case against Nicholas Maduro and they're likening it to Manuel

(40:38):
Noriega and the case there there are a lot of
parallels and then there's somewhere they kind of vary off
that parallel line scheme.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
But what do you think. Good evening and happy New Year.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
First, thank you to you, pleasure to be with you.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
What do you think about the government's chances in the
Southern District of New York to prove their case eventually
against Maduro and how long do you think this is
going to take?

Speaker 5 (41:09):
Those are good questions that I don't have the answers to.
You know, I think everybody was kind of caught by
surprise that Trump decided to go and get pick him
out of Venezuela and bringing to the United States. I
was more surprised by the choice of venue that they
took him to New York. I mean, Noriego was tried

(41:32):
and indicted in Miami and convicted obviously, so it kind
of makes you stretch your head a little bit, like
what's going on? You know, the the juries in New
York tend to be very liberal. You know, there there
are koops who are saying that we should release him

(41:54):
in the United States and let him run for president.
Can you imagine anybody being that delusional and that whack?
But it gives you insight into the type of jury
that he may be facing in New York. And so
was that by design? Was it intentional? Because certainly Trump knows.

(42:17):
I mean, he's actually been in some New York courtrooms
over the last few years.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
And you know, it's just so seldom.

Speaker 5 (42:28):
That anybody in government ever gets held accountable for anything. So,
is this a way to get Maduro out of Venezuela
act really tough, knowing full well that no jury is
going to convict him, and we'll give him asylum somewhere.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
I just don't know.

Speaker 5 (42:45):
I'm purely speculating, but it does sound somewhat quizzical to
me that we brought.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Him to New York.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Well, the story is that President Trump actually offered him
free passage and asylum in Turkey and he didn't take
the bait. But they've been planning this for months. John
and I can't help but think with all of the
planning that they put into this months and months, to

(43:16):
know exactly what his habits are, to know exactly where
he would be, to know exactly how many Cuban bodyguards
there were trying to protect him, and all of the
meticulous planning that there was also a lot of planning
by the Department of State on what happens afterwards. People
keep on question, well, what happens now there's a void?

(43:39):
Is this regime change? Are they building nations after they
said they were not going to be interested in nation
building and stupid wars number one, that's not a war
number two. I think that they have a strategy on
how to approach Venezuela that we don't know about yet,

(43:59):
at least I'm hoping. So what about you, I have
my I only have theories. I don't have hard evidence.

Speaker 5 (44:11):
Of knowing, and I don't think anybody does, except a
very small number of people. What is going to take place.
But from a speculation standpoint, here's what I suspect. There
were so many rumors and so much smoke surrounding the

(44:32):
twenty twenty election in Venezuela and the Dominican machines and
smart manic and I have been saying now on my
on my radio show for a year that I felt
that Donald Trump would be dismantling the deep state. And
if you put it into the context of a book,
I said, chapter one would be unraveling the Russia Russia

(44:55):
Russia hoax that has occurred.

Speaker 6 (44:58):
We know.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
Incontrovertibly that Russia was in collusion with Russia was a
fabrication that Hillary Clinton came up with, and they paid
good money to have a script written that was pure fiction.
And they even indicted President Trump over it, or tried
to tried to impeach him over it, and they failed.

(45:24):
So that's unraveled. The American people now know the truth
of that. I think the twenty twenty election could be
a big part of what is going on here, because
I've been reading a lot of sketchy stuff that has
resurfaced over twenty twenty with all points leading back to Venezuela.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
And so.

Speaker 5 (45:47):
I think that that will be chapter two. Chapter three,
I think will be who took a crack at President
Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. I hope chapter four will tell
us a out building seven and chapter five who assassinated
Charlie Kirk. They all have elements of the deep state intelligence.

(46:12):
Fingerprints are there, the mos are there, and I suspect
that this could be part and parcel of that.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
I would like chapter six to be about who set
up the protesters on January sixth and who allowed that
to happen?

Speaker 5 (46:31):
Really, Oh, I admitted a chapter you are so right nothing.
I mean, you know, if you take any one of
those things, you could say that they shock you to
your core. And now we've got a pattern of things
that just come in rapid secession that are like nothing

(46:53):
could be this bad ever again or before, And damnit,
they don't want up us at every turn, But I've
got to put January sixth almost at the top of
the list. But when you zoom out for thirty thousand
feet and you look at what happened, you really have
to be deaf, dumb, and blind not to realize that
it was part of the stolen the election in twenty twenty,

(47:16):
and it was purely designed as the best defense. So
they cook up the insurrection, killing Ashley about it and
one other lady in the process.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Shame Roslyn Boyle. Thank you.

Speaker 6 (47:32):
It's just.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
Shameful and disgraceful that in this great country that these
things could occur. And I want them to stop. And
I saw Tucker Curlson last week saying, you know, we're
holding all these people accountable. When are we going to
hold law enforcement accountable? Amen, they're the ones who are

(47:56):
supposed to be keeping us safe, and damn if I
don't think they're in on it.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Well, some elements, there's no question about that. Also, John Gordon,
I just want to suggest to you that Venezuela is
as much about and you made an excellent point about
dismantling the deep state, but I think it is also
the Monroe Doctrine on steroids and telling communists China to

(48:21):
get out of our hemisphere.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
I think that has a lot to do.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
I totally agree with you, and you know, I think
this is a way of saying to putin if you're
going to move on the Ukraine and you're not going
to end this war and do it in a way
that is maybe not satisfactory to either party, but it's
not totally objectionable. That something we can all live with. God,

(48:49):
we're going to start behaving in the same way. So
you want to move on Ukraine, fine, we're going to
move on Colombia, Cuba.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
Colombia and then Cuba.

Speaker 5 (49:00):
We're going to protect our hemisphere and China get the
hell out of Venezuela. If you're gonna start meddling in
Venezuela and Panama, then we're gonna push back on you.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Look Forward the Truth with John Gordon, syndicated radio host
and our guest tonight. Thank you so much and again,
Happy New Year, sir.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
It's always a pleasure to be with you.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Thanks you bet.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Dan was our second Amendment guy. Coming up next it
is the Nightcap and a visit in the New Year
with our old friend, the author of Good Gun, Bad Guy,
the Good Gunbadguy dot com website, the Loaded Mike Show
on YouTube, Second Amendment Enthusiast, the Gun Owners of America,

(49:45):
and toe.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Our friend Dan was is back.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Dan twenty twenty five just concluded was a pretty good
year for the Second Amendment, wasn't it.

Speaker 6 (49:56):
Hey, Gary Jeff, Yes, thanks for having me on the show,
and yes it was. You know, although we're always we're
always fighting against the gun grabbers to preserve our Second Amendment.
Gun Owners of America, the National Gun Rights organization that
I'm heavily involved with, had some major successes. And you know,

(50:18):
if you'd like, we can, we can. I can start
digging into them a little bit.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Your friend Eric Pratt wrote about these and you did
a video for them, and there are eight major points
that people who are gun owners, who love their guns
and love the Second Amendment, love their freedom, should take
note of these as victories. Like you said that the

(50:44):
fight is never over against the gun grabbers because they'll
always come up with something else. But let's talk about
the end of the zero tolerance rule real quickly.

Speaker 6 (50:55):
Zero tolerance was a was something that the Biden administration
came up with where if if you're a gun dealer
FFL and you make the slightest mistake, so let's say
a paperwork error or a filing error or some sort
of error. They had zero tolerance for that stuff and
they would pull your license. So a lot of gun

(51:15):
owners it was basically there the Biden administration's way of
putting gun dealers out of business.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
All right, go ahead, and that's.

Speaker 6 (51:25):
What it's been overturned.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
All right, skip the n i c s.

Speaker 6 (51:33):
Yeah, so states like Michigan and Alabama. The KNICK system
is the National Background Check System, which is really ultimately
doubles as a registry. So some states are are able
to bypass that now, and it would be great if
we could all bypass it. But that's another huge win.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
And the Gun Owners of America and their lawsuit behind
that effort.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Yeah, uh, coast to carry secured? What does that mean?

Speaker 6 (52:04):
So a couple of states, New York and California are
among many who don't accept other other states, you know,
handg on permits. So you're traveling, it makes it very difficult. Well,
these two states got dragged into court and they have
to now accept the concealed carry permits for those listed

(52:28):
in the lawsuit and I think that was GOA members
and some other litigants.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
All Right, a constitutional carry victory was had in twenty
twenty five by the gun owners of America.

Speaker 6 (52:41):
So this one's still being appealed by the Republican Attorney
general and in Tennessee. But what this does is that
it challenged the going armed statue. So in Tennessee they
had a statute that said if you can't carry a
gun if you plan on going armed, which means either

(53:02):
you're using it for offense or defense. And you know,
of course you're gonna want to use your gun for defense.
So basically, yeah, so the law made it so you
couldn't you couldn't carry a gun unless you're transporting it
to or from the range sort of thing. So that
got overturned in Tennessee. But like I said, the attorney general, Republican,

(53:22):
you know, surprisingly is appealing that.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
In Virginia universal background check law was struck down in
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 6 (53:33):
Yeah, universal background check means basically means that they want
to be able to do back run background checks on
any any player arm transaction. Ever. And in other words,
if they had their way, you couldn't even hand down
a gun to your kid. In some cases you can't
hand down to your step step children. So my friends
are a Virginia Citizens Defensive League, great people over there.

(53:55):
It's a great statewide gun rights group, and so evasically
and uh and and one. So so now that universal
background check system had got kind of blown out of
the water. There's still is, of course, a background check
system for other types of firearms, but but it's not
as critical as the universal backgrounds.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
But it means that if you're a gun owner in Virginia,
you can once again buy and sell firearms privately. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:22):
And I want to be careful how much information I
give because I don't want to I don't want to mislead.
So I'm not sure on the specifics of whether or
not you can buy and sell and what guns you
can buy and sell, So I don't want to comment
too much on that.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Okay, the Florida open carry ban overturned.

Speaker 6 (54:38):
Yeah, so Florida you could carry you could carry a
firearm if you were going if you're fishing or hunting.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (54:48):
But other than that, it was it was pretty much
banned for open carry.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (54:55):
And then so that got overturned. So now you can
carry in open carry in And the thing about this
one that really bugs me is that these laws, these
open carry bands are really set up just because there
are liberal anti gunners who either feel offended or scared
when they see a gun in public, which it's time
for them to get over there, to get over their

(55:16):
irrational fear and not violate our Second Amendment.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Well, it's also like the same group of people object
to certain styles of rifles because they look like military
grade weapons.

Speaker 6 (55:32):
Right, Yeah, I'm talking about if even sometimes liberals, like
in New York State where I am, if the liberals
see the handgun, they flip out. So you know, that's
why some states require concealed and it's not it's not
for any reason other than pretty.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Much to.

Speaker 6 (55:51):
You know, appease the liberals because they don't like it.
And so now when this stuff gets overturned and they're
going to have to start facing their fear and start
to get back into reality because we're America. Our founding
fathers didn't worry about offending people. You know, there's second

(56:12):
Member doesn't say the right of the people that keep
the bare arms shall not be infringed unless you offend
people by looking by letting them see your gun. No,
we don't play that game anymore. So we're overturning a
lot of this stuff and it's a really great time.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
You and I have talked many times about how awful
red flag laws are in Memphis, Tennessee. That law is
now dead.

Speaker 6 (56:37):
Red flag laws have to be the absolute worst thing,
because what it really is it's a gun confiscation out
of your home without due process. And every state, not
every state has them, but a lot of states happen.
I think about twenty nine states, twenty twenty four states
something like that, and we have red flag laws, and

(57:00):
many of them.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
You can be.

Speaker 6 (57:01):
Accused by someone who's not even a relative or anything.
Anybody can pretty much accuse you in some states of
being a risk to society, and they can go anonymous.
In other words, they don't have to answer to anything
if they make a false accusation about you. Yet a
judge can take that accusation, sign off on it, and

(57:24):
send the cops to your house to take your guns.
Red flag laws are dangerous, and the Democrats like to
use red flag laws along with registries and background checks
because they want these universal background checks so they can
have a registry, so they know where the guns are.
And then the Blue states also want the red flag

(57:45):
laws so they can have the vehicle to come confiscate. So,
because you can't confiscate, lets you know where the guns are.
That's why the two, the registries and the red flag
laws work together. So it's a great success to get
any red flag law overturned because that might set a
precedent moving forward for other counties, other towns, other states.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Well, that's exactly what the British wanted to know when
they tried to put down the rebellion among the colonists.
They want to know where the guns were. Yeah, the
gun owners of American force from Missouri County Jackson County
to reverse its gun ban in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Dan, tell me about that.

Speaker 6 (58:26):
Yeah, this was Jackson County, Missouri. It was a ban
on basically anyone eighteen to twenty years old who wanted
to buy, you know, purchase a handgun. In other words,
they were saying, you have to be twenty one years
old to purchase a handgun. And that's not okay. You know,
our founding fathers never said there's a certain age limit.

(58:49):
And besides that, if you can go to war, if
you can be tried as an adult, if you know,
if you can do so many, you can.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Vote, You can vote as an eighteen year.

Speaker 6 (58:59):
Old, you can vote exactly and you know, Uh, but
yet they want to restrict the right of young adults
to uh exactly defend themselves carried on exercise their their
second Amendment right. So so this was another great president

(59:19):
uh and and Gun Owners of America and it's sister company,
Gun Owners Foundation, which I'm very involved with. What a
bunch of great people, unbelievable organization. This is the no
compromise UH gun national gun rights group. You want to
be part of this organization. I urge everybody go to
gun Owners dot org to become a member. It's really

(59:43):
affordable and and the money helps fight these lawsuits. So
I've been I've been a spokesman for g o A
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and give them a look. They're really doing great things.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Danny Wawz, thank you so much. We'll hopefully talk again soon.

Speaker 6 (01:00:12):
All right, Thanks so much, Pal, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Happy New Year means having your gun and being able
to defend yourself according to the Constitution and the Bill
of Rights. It's the nightcap and it continues in moments
on seven hundred WLW in to the last little bit

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of this nightcap on seven hundred WLW. I hope they'll
give me a three hour show again instead of a
two and a half hour show, because I'd love to
do a three hour show with this guy, not just
twenty minutes or whatever. But you know, I'll take what
I can get. I'm going to be grateful. I am
so happy to have him back. It's our old friend,

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the fur Ball Andy Furman.

Speaker 8 (01:00:59):
Hello, Well, I hope you had a great New Years
and it's always a pleasure to talking to you. But
you know what, there'll be such a pig. I heard
you on with Sterling last night, so it's okay. You
had your time last night with him, and you intimidated him.
I mean, you really did get back him into a corner.
I felt bare for the kid, I really did. I mean,
so just back off a little bit, all right, I'm
gonna make up for what you did to Sterling. Right now.

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Because here's the deal. I'll wake up to Spain. This
is kind of a secret, but it wasn't a good secret. Okay,
we all knew that Brendan Soresby, the quarterback at the
University of Cincinnati, would not return. His name was in
the portal, but it's official today. Was to pick up
the inquiry this morning, one of the few who pick
up to pick up the paper. That's a paper, not online,
because I enjoyed the paper and I see he's signed

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for five million dollars to go to Texas Tech to
play football. God bless him. I'm happy for the kid.
But here's the deal. This is what I don't understand.

Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
Number One A.

Speaker 8 (01:01:49):
This portal should be open after the playoffs, after ball games,
after the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
Number one.

Speaker 8 (01:01:53):
Number two, that's the thing that I can't control. But
here's the thing that really irks me. You're a guy
that played with teams. They say football is a team sport.
More often than not, the quarterback, at least on the
pro level, like a Joe Burrow. He'll buy his offensive
lineman swords or gifts are crazy items, dinosaur relics, you know,
for for Christmas because they protect him it's all for one,

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one for all. So this guy, Brendan Sorosby busts his butt,
goes to practice every day, plays with the guys. Okay,
then when the big game comes against Navy and the
Liberty Bowl, he bolts, how do you look at these
guys in their face? To me, I just don't understand.
I think it's the most despicable thing you could ever do.
It's a thing that you go out for, you play,
you play one for all for one. He knew he

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was going to Texas Tech. You know what, tell a
Texas Tech staff, just let me play with my guys.
These are my guys. I practice with them every day.
I wanted to play with them. I led them here
to the Liberty Bowl against Navy. Let me finish this.
I don't get it. I just don't you know what.
Let me continue. I know I'm rambling on here. But
here's another thing where you know they say it's a
team sport. I say team sport bajambag. You know, the

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New York Football Giants and the Pros. They were to
tie end but Johnson last Friday night, it was the
New York nick game. Okay, didn't practice all week long,
with the New York Football Giants and said he was
not going to play Sunday against Dallas, all right, in
the season finale. But he's out there, you're not a
good look, you know, sitting behind the bench at the
Nick game and Madison Square Garden. Okay, they say he
wasn't the full wasn't covid ID, but he was okay

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to go to a public event and he can't play football.
I mean, come on, really, I mean, the guy's taking it,
don't don't people see this that no one mentioned, No
one talks about this stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Tell me, well, Number one, I don't think that Brandon
Soresby really felt like those guys on the UC offensive
line protected him that well over the last five games.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Maybe he just didn't.

Speaker 8 (01:03:40):
Don't know why he left.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
I mean, come on, the midshipman in a in a
meaningless bowl game, and it was a meaningless bowl game. Secondly,
I know.

Speaker 8 (01:03:50):
Time time that I'm gonna I'm gonna break apart everything
you say. First of all, they protected him enough to
be one of the he's one of the all time
great quarterbacks that you see. That's number one. Number two,
it's not meaningless for the guys that suit up, maybe
meaningless to you, maybe meaningless to think, you know, who
is meeting it's for it's meaning for the players that
involved in the game, the friends that parents, relatives, and

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it's also a meaning for gamblers because they gamble on
these games. So don't tell me it's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Meaningful, okay, number one. Number one is the gambling thing.
That's the only people it's really meaningful for. And yeah,
maybe there's a player who will never ever play in
the NFL or never suit up again.

Speaker 8 (01:04:27):
For you, it's meaningful for that game you ever played.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Overall, for the university, I mean, there's a little bit
of a payday, but overall it's pretty meaningless to the fans.

Speaker 8 (01:04:37):
Andy, I don't think so. I think it's a pretty
good contingent of you see people along as whatever it
may be, fans to make a day of it to
drive down to Nashville to see that game. All right,
but you know, we agree to disagree. You're that kind
of guy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Okay, I'm going to correct you again. They weren't in Nashville.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
It was a liberty bullet Memphis.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 8 (01:04:58):
And people do say there's the same thing in that state.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
No, no, no, no. This is where you're absolutely one
hundred percent, maybe one thousand percent wrong for a ball.
Nashville is not Memphis, and vice versa. I lived in
Nashville and in Chattanooga for twenty years. Tennessee is a
very distinctive three state state. In other words, if you're
in Memphis, it is absolutely nothing like Middle Tennessee and Nashville.

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And if you're in Nashville, it is absolutely nothing like
the Smoky Mountains and the Appalachians in the eastern part
of the state.

Speaker 8 (01:05:31):
Okay, let me just tell you something that Nasville and
Memphis do have something uncommon. If you're from them, you
want to be If you're from there, you want to
be far away from there. That's what they haven't call.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 8 (01:05:41):
One of those guys you left, you both did. What
are you talking about that? I don't love you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Back in Nashville if I could afford it. You want
to talk about in affordability? Now, Nashville in the last
thirty years has just exploded, and I probably couldn't afford
a cardboard box on the side of the interstate living
in Nashville. That's the only reason I'm not there. I
love my parents, they're still there. I've got two brothers there,
I've got lots of friends still in Nashville. I'd love

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to be in Nashville, just simply.

Speaker 8 (01:06:10):
And you know why US states in a minute or two,
because every city in America differs from every other city. Cleveland,
Cincinnati are different, but they know so don't don't give
me that it's it's for commerce.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Now, it's beyond the cities.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
The state itself is three distinctive geographical and and demographical areas.

Speaker 8 (01:06:34):
So in most states, what are you talking about? Buffalo?
That's different than living in New York City and it's
the same state. So come on, right, if you're.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
Living in if you're living in if you're living in Buffalo,
you're a damn lot better off than if you're living
in that hell hole you call New York City.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Andy.

Speaker 8 (01:06:51):
You know what, say what you want. I'm just saying
that there are difference is in various cities. Buffalo and
New York differ, Okay, And that's just the way it is.
There are different cities in every state that different. They
have their own I guess charm if you want to
say charm, we use that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Term, but don't confuse.

Speaker 8 (01:07:07):
Don't confuse back in their teammates. I didn't come here
to talk about cities, all right, guys that really guys
that bolt and just safe to hell with you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Another example, another example you gave me, was this guy
from the New York Giants missing the last game of
a meaningless season for another meaningless season for the New
York Football Giants. It's it's unbelievable how much people care
about these NFL teams that are continually downtrodden, and they'll

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never be in another Super Bowl, They'll never win a
Super they are cursed like the Cleveland Browns, Andy the Giants.

Speaker 8 (01:07:45):
Funny you mentioned they keep on repeating the same term meaningless.
Tell that to Zach Taylor. This team was out of control,
This team was out of playoff contention against the Cleveland Browns,
and he had I guess you could say the audacity
or the hanging downs to say he was upset when
Miles Garrett broke the record and they stopped play because
he said we were on a roll. I mean to him,

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he was like, really in this bid time with both
feet Okay, the game was to a sense meaningless, Okay,
not to him. As I tell you before, and I'll
tell you again, to people involved in the outcome, that's
not meaningless to them, the coaches, players, wherever it may be,
it's not meaningless to them, all right. And you saw
that first hand with Zach Taylor Sunday afternoons, someone of

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a full of them, a record broken in a sporting event.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
They stopped playing exactly. They do that in every single major.

Speaker 8 (01:08:37):
Sport, right But you're still moving off the direction on
going and we're not in the same lane right now.
We started this conversation of players who work as a
team as a unit and turn their back on their teammates,
all right, and it's selfishness.

Speaker 7 (01:08:52):
I don't like it.

Speaker 8 (01:08:53):
I think it's wrong, all right, and it's got to
be changed the college over. They can change it by
changing the date of the portal you put your name
with portal after the ball games.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Why why are you blaming Brandon Soresby when he was
going somewhere else and he didn't have a choice. Texas
Tech said, if you're coming with us, you want the
five mil.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
You gotta you gotta come now, right.

Speaker 8 (01:09:14):
So I'm not blaming him. I'm just saying that it's
a bad look, that's all I'm saying. And what the
look has to do to change is move the date
of the portal after the playoffs and the bowl game
so it doesn't look bad. It looks bad. You have
to admit that it looks bad. You know, you're busting
your butt all year long. You're saying, go Bearcas, let's
go this, let's do that. And next year, by the
way Texas Tech plays you see here in Cincinnati. I

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don't think he's gonna be I don't think the reaction
is good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
That'll be tasty, that'll be good. We love that drama.
We love that kind of animosity built up. We love
the rivalry. We we love the hate, Andy, we love
the hate.

Speaker 8 (01:09:53):
Well, that's what sports is. It's it's a it's a
method to, I guess, professionally get hate out of your system, right,
isn't it? I mean, it's not what sports is.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
You know what wild Man calls wild man? Wild Man
calls it to do Well, that's what he.

Speaker 6 (01:10:06):
Asked for breakfast.

Speaker 8 (01:10:07):
Okay, I don't want to talk about that, but you
know that's what week that we call sports is as
supposed to be relaxation. You know, competition whatever it may be. No,
it's not. It's a venue for hate. It really is.
When you think about it. You go to a game,
go to a Steelers Bengals game. Fights fights, right, I've
seen it. You know it's it's not good. It's not

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a good look. It really isn't. But that's what sports
has done more probably more so in football and professional
football than in any other sport. Although I do remember this,
when Brigham Young came here to play the University of
Cincinnati in football, they were chanting the F bomb for
the Mormons, and then the athletic director and president of
UC how to make an apology to Brigham Young university.

(01:10:50):
Is it alcohol? Perhaps? Is it just stupidity? Stupidity perhaps?
I don't know, uh that. You know, fans probably need
to be lectured. Maybe before were you buy season tickets,
So maybe before any ticket you should have to take
a pledge. You know, how you'd be had to behave
in the stands at a game. I don't know. I
don't know how it could change, but I'll tell you what.
Some games you go to not safe. You would not

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wear a fingles jersey in Cleveland.

Speaker 6 (01:11:14):
I just would do that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
I got to tell you, I played church league basketball
back when I was in like my high school years,
because I wasn't good enough to play in a high
school team, or I just didn't want to put forth
the effort, but played church league basketball. We've played for
the United Methodist Church in Hendersonville, Tennessee, and we played
the Mormons. There was a Mormon church. They were some
of the dirtiest players we ever played. The Baptists weren't

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as bad, the Catholics weren't as bad. The Mormons were awful.
And believe me, the Mormons dropped F bombs. Andy, I
heard it. I experienced this.

Speaker 8 (01:11:48):
What are you saying? I mean, I'm saying there was
a group of people, you're the host school, and the
fans in that stadium were kind of harassing and making
fun of the Mormons, which I think, are you signed
to say that that it's permissible? Where are you going with?

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
No, I'm just saying you're you're saying you made the
point that it was against the Mormons when you go
out to If you go out to BYU and you play,
I bet there's gonna be some Mormons who were dropping
the F bomb on the opposing team.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
I'll bet you.

Speaker 8 (01:12:19):
And I'm not saying it's right, and I'm sure you're Beau.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
I don't think it's right.

Speaker 8 (01:12:23):
I've worked at all Roberts University, yes, and we played
the Mormons. We played Brigham Young at Brigham Young, right,
and I know when our guys came out there, we
had thirteen guys in the team. I think they were like,
you know, eleven African Americans and we played Brigham Young
and Danny Ainge was on that team at the time,
and I don't think there was one African American on
that Brigham Young team. And our guys, I tell you, honestly,

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they were looking at the layup line. They were laughing.
You know, well we lost by thirty five. All right,
I'm just saying this is the way they said. That's
that's human nature, and it's not right. Okay, it's not right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
I'm not justifying. I'm not saying it's right. But you
just made a point against the Mormons as they dropped
the F bomb it you see, So so what if
they're going.

Speaker 8 (01:13:04):
Don't win in it?

Speaker 5 (01:13:05):
So what?

Speaker 8 (01:13:06):
No, that's that's permissible. Watts.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
It didn't matter who you see. Fans drop the F bomb.
Against Whether it's Mormons or if it was a bunch
of heathens, it's still wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
That's my point. Thank you. That's okay.

Speaker 8 (01:13:23):
President let it that had an issue an apology to
the President. I let it there there a b yu.
I thought it was disgusting. I mean, really, show show
some class. Really could just show a little show some intelligence.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
I have a conspiracy theory. In Super Bowl x L
back in two thousand and.

Speaker 8 (01:13:43):
Six, what does that stand for?

Speaker 6 (01:13:44):
XL?

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
It stands for.

Speaker 8 (01:13:47):
Forty forty L fifteen on the left side, it's a
minus ten, so it's forty.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Right now, this is Super Bowl sixty.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
It would have been the lx the L.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Twenty yeah, twenty years ago. Yeah, so XL forty.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
So anyway, in Super Bowl x L, the Pittsburgh Steelers,
who at the beginning of the playoffs nobody thought was
going to be in the super Bowl. They were the
sixth seed. They were like the last guy in in
the AFC and it was Jerome Bettis last year, and
lo and behold, the Pittsburgh Steelers came from out of

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nowhere in the playoffs and wound up winning it all.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
In twenty twenty six, Super Bowl L x sixty. Aaron
Rodgers is quite possibly playing his last football game. Quite
possibly the Steelers with deep DK Metcalf coming back, wouldn't
It wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
I don't think they're gonna win Aday night, but I think.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
I think maybe the fix is in to send Aaron
Rodgers off with a Super Bowl trophy.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
Like they did with Jerome Bettis. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:15:00):
I'm not a Pollyanna kind of guy. I believe that
everything is pure and clean and good, and you know,
you sort of know you're sort of right in the
sense that there are some calls that are questionable in football.
I mean the other day when Notre Dame was playing
basketball and then the Notre Dame coach went after the referee.
That was a hideous call. Hideous call. It wasn't even
a shooting foul and he called it, and the coach

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and not to day will apologize since I think if
they didn't hold them back and it's going to beat
the living daylights out of them.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
It was a bad call.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Well, we were talking about you're talking about basketball in college basketball.
We were talking about the NFL, and they're not fully
legitimate calls which happened on a regular in that league.
It's all dictated by some cabal who's kind of moving.

Speaker 8 (01:15:44):
I think there's no consistency because if they really wanted to,
they could probably call holding on every play.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Absolutely they could.

Speaker 8 (01:15:50):
Yeah, yeah, that would.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
Be much of the game.

Speaker 8 (01:15:53):
Right. Look, I will tell you this much. I think this.
The human nature element is always involved, and I think
there are officials right now who are fearful of blowing
the whistle and at a very close play at the
end of the game for fear of them being the
story rather than the game being the story. I really
believe that. And then again, if they don't blow the whistle,

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in fact, they still will be the story. I think
there's a lot of pressure artificials. What to do. Do
you swallow the whistle?

Speaker 7 (01:16:21):
Do you make the call.

Speaker 8 (01:16:22):
At the end of the game, because you really do
not want to be the game story, but a lot
of times they are if they blow it or they
don't blow.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
It right there, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
I've watched I've watched a lot of umpires, a lot
of referees, and they want their moment in the spotlight.
They want to they want to be they want to
be the story. A lot of them, Yeah, they do.

Speaker 8 (01:16:41):
Some do, but I will tell you this. If I'm
an official, I want to officiate a game like Indiana
did against Alabama thirty eight to three. No problems, really,
no problem.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
Money is what you want, right all?

Speaker 8 (01:16:57):
They don't throw any flags down.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
So you're talking about the transfer portal earlier and the
coaching carousel that continues to run, which did for years before.
The transfer portal for players and the end the money,
the nil what ought to happened? And I've said this
and you alluded to it earlier. There should be no

(01:17:22):
There should be no movement of coaches or players until
the entire season is finished, period, end of story.

Speaker 8 (01:17:30):
If you want to Lane Tifflin who left all he's
still getting paid for all missile victories in the playoffs
and now he's the coach at LSU, it doesn't make
any sense. What an agent he must have. Huh think
about that. But here's another thing. If you want to
change the portal situation, I honestly believe that the portal okay,
let the kids transfer. I don't know how you get

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that done, because I don't know how certain kids get
into you. A favorite school, Vanderbilt that can't even read
and write anymore. But I guess if they can play football.
If they can, but the rules should honestly be A
as you say after the playoff football games, and B
you could only transfer one time, one time. Because that
quarterback at Vanderbilt has gone to three different schools, I
think this is the third college.

Speaker 7 (01:18:12):
Is Andy Well he went.

Speaker 8 (01:18:14):
He went to about four year school prior to Vanderbilt, two.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
I know, But but you said four different schools or three.
He went to a junior college.

Speaker 8 (01:18:21):
First, and he went to New Mexico and another one
I believe, But Brandon Sorosby, I think this is his third.
That's ridiculous. I mean, really, one time, one time, one
time only. And let me tell you also about the portal,
which I don't think a lot of people think about
because they think it's a good thing. If I'm a coach,
I have my brothers on taking a kid in the portal.
I'll tell you why. Obviously they're doing it for one

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on one reason only for money, I guess. But a
kid who goes into portal probably is a malcontent because
he's probably not playing. He's probably not happy, and honestly,
I don't want them on my team. If he's not playing,
so I gotta watch it very carefully if I'm looking
in the the players, don't you agree. I don't think
that that has become of age. I don't think people

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talk about that much. It's all the portal that's great
that you see's got a chance to get people out
of the portal.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
It's the same reason.

Speaker 8 (01:19:11):
With the portal. You know why why did Brendan's source
he put his name in the portal? A because he's
getting more money, but B he didn't play for a
better team and he probably wasn't happy down the stretch
when they lost their last five six games.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
And you see, well, do you think he was a
part of why they lost those last five six games?

Speaker 8 (01:19:29):
And it wasn't him? No, it wasn't him.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
No, of course not.

Speaker 8 (01:19:33):
It wasn't everybody. I don't hold that. You know me,
I have no filter. I would tell you, but honestly,
I just think that if you're in the portal, there's
a damn good reason why your name is in there.
More often than not, you probably didn't play, you weren't happy,
you didn't like the coach, And I'm gonna take a
second look at you, and I'm afraid maybe you may

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pull the same maneuver on my team.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Just same thing, the same thing they said about the
Bengals for years. They need character guys, not not only
guys that can play, but guys that aren't going to
be a problem off the field.

Speaker 8 (01:20:05):
Well, now I have character guys that can't play. Well,
they're not getting arrested, but they can't play. So I
don't know. You've got to get a happy medium. I'd
rather have guys that go to jail, but they could
win me too.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
I'm with you. There you go the longest yard.

Speaker 8 (01:20:20):
Baby, there you go, fur Ball.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
Thank you so much again for everything you did last
year and everything you did tonight. And now I've got
to say so long, Alfederzan.

Speaker 4 (01:20:35):
Goodbye, see you bye.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
Aloha, goodbye, goodbye. He's gone back to wrap up.