Rocky & Jason -- 12/8/25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The show, and he's out them alongside Jason Williams and
Jason we're gonna start our show with a little breaking
Bengals news hit me.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Cincinnati Bengals head coach Zach Taylor announced that the team
has released wide receiver Jermaine Burton. Yes, the team announce,
so it has waived him.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
So there's your news. How many games have you been
active this year?

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Zero?

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Zero? Right, yes, zero?

Speaker 2 (00:30):
And then this weekend he didn't make the trip to Buffalo,
and it's like, here's the thing, man, when t when
T Higgins went down, Like, that's your prime opportunity and
he's still inactive.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
I mean that's what you always tell Like I tell
my kid and kids your your coach say, look, just
just keep working because your chance will come. I mean,
you may not like the circumstances now, but something's gonna happen.
Somebody's gonna get hurt. You're gonna find yourself in the game.
So just make sure you're ready for when that moment happens.
And his came and went. T Higgins was down. Could

(01:01):
it really use a big play wide receiver to stretch
the field and he wasn't ready to go? And now
despite many other other problems he has, and now they're
finally saying we can't.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Finally guy, Finally, you know, they moved on. And that
was the twenty twenty four third round draft pick. Off
the top of my head, yes, yes, yeah, right, thank you,
thank you, Addie. You know, they took a fly on him,
and that was obviously the buzz and Nick Saban had
had made comments like, you know, questioning him, and obviously

(01:33):
he had played at Alabama, he played at Georgia as well.
You know, tremendous, tremendous talent, But talent's only going to
get you so far, especially in the league, especially what
you know a little bit about.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
I mean, you see a bunch of guys come in
and they look like this, and they run this and
they benched this, and you're like, oh my god, this
guy's getting ready to just just tear it up. And
it doesn't happen because they're not focused, they don't have
a based of fundamentals, and they have distractions and it's
just been everything when it comes to that guy.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
So I'm telling you, and you know, Mike Brown has
always been kind of known, much like his father, as
the quote great redeemer and you know, like to take guys.
They needed some help, and they hung in there with
him much longer than probably any other NFL team would have.
And finally, you know, if the Bengals have said that's it,

(02:28):
we're done that that I'd be surprised if this guy
you see this guy in the NFL again?

Speaker 4 (02:36):
Now?

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Did they give a reason for why he was suspended
this weekend rather than just being inactive like every other game?

Speaker 3 (02:43):
As of yesterday?

Speaker 2 (02:44):
I was asking around about it and there was not
nothing was known in terms of I don't know if
anything ended up leaking out or something, but from what
I could tell and what I was told, that there
was nothing. There was no reason given.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Gotcha, all right?

Speaker 2 (03:01):
So he was inactive, didn't make the trip, and it
wasn't real injury related, right.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
All right?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
So yeah, if you're just joining us the breaking news,
wide receiver Jermaine Burton has been released by the Bengals,
and if we find out any more info in that,
we'll be sure to give it to you. So let's
pivot a little bit here, Jason to the game yesterday
in general, I mean, a heartbreaker, but you can say
that about a lot of Bengals games this year. First
of all, I'll say this just from a pure just

(03:30):
entertainment standpoint, the first half of that game seen maybe
the best like dual quarterback play I've ever seen. I mean,
both and Al were just throwing balls that I was
even I was watching a little bit of with my dad.
I'm like twenty years ago, Like no one even attempts
that passed like where you fit it in like between

(03:50):
four guys. Coach would say, you're crazy, why would you
throw that? And they just do it over and over
and over again. Well there was the one.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
I mean, both those guys had two where they just
they squeezed it in h Allen that scrambled out and
you're like, he's gonna I mean, he's just gonna to
throw it away here tucking in. He's not gonna get
the first that it was third down and they were
in the red zone, and then he just I remember
because Barrett Carter had his back to uh and he

(04:17):
just somehow, Like I mean, there was four guys around
the defense and it was one of those I don't
really even know if you blame the defense as much
as like the fact that this was a broken play
and he just somehow threaded some needle and found the guy.
It was almost I think thrown behind him slightly.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
He broke the rule that every quarterback coach and offensive
coordinator tells you, which is, if you're rolling out, you
never throw a ball late across your body across the middle.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
And he did and it it always seems to work
when he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
So maybe he's in Burrow through that one to Chase
Brown there in the in the corner right at the
corner of the front corner us of the right by
the goal line. And that was that was just that
was also incredible and dang it, Rocky, it's a dang
shame that we're not going to get to see those

(05:12):
two again in the playoffs or potentially. Yeah, the fact
that we're not going to get and we're going to
get another uh January without Joe Burrow and the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, what you want to.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
See those that, like I remember growing up watching football,
like you know, those were the matchups that you that
they had, like, uh, it was the quarterback that you know,
I'm thinking John l Way you know from me, Burnie
Cozar and Jim Kelly and those those are the quarterback

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matchups that that's why those teams were in the playoffs,
and you live for that, and I mean obviously you know,
the TV networks love it, and uh.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
We all love it.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, and it's like, it's just a shame that we're
not going to get to see that or potentially even
see that in the AFC Championship game or somewhere along
some along along the lines in the playoffs, because I
like and again, I think those are two teams that
could go either way, and it just you know, it'll
be It just came down to Burrow through you know

(06:19):
that guy. That guy made a great play on that.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
That made a great play and and I didn't hear
the conversation, but it looked like it was gonna be
a different play, probably a run play, and nobody saw
saw the coverage out there and said boom, okay, basically
you know a little screen that's a that's an extension
of the run game, right, So you just it was.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Kind of weird too, like I don't know, like if
he went back and watched it, like the way it
was almost like Burrow was trying to pop it up.
Like the way he threw it. It was kind of
like he was almost like pushing it up.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Like he didn't pop it enough.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
No, he did not.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
That made a great play. That was that was an
incredible and I mean.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Burrow certainly deserves criticism for you know, how great he was.
But but I mean, throwing back to back interceptions is
never good, even though it was just a phenomenal play
the guy made.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
But but I.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Mean the loss in all this that the defense kind
of came back regress back to the norm that we've
seen most of the year. I mean, if they don't,
you know, if Turner doesn't knock that ball out of
James Cook's hands on the goal line, they go up
much earlier. In that game, in the second half, Bengals
couldn't really stop anybody. The thing I couldn't understand is

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the amount of times Josh Allen ran.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
For yardage up the middle. I just so frustrating.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
I know for a fact that during the week they said, look, hey,
we cannot give up vertical rush lanes this guy. So
when you're rushing the past or you got to maintain
gap integrity, lane integrity, you know, just kind of push
it back, don't get too wide. And twice it happened.
Once he had a forty yard run and then on
the basically the final play of the game, the yeah,
the third and fifteen there, so that was I just

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think it still comes down to j in this This defense,
as I have said, and I'm sure you have said,
it just doesn't have the talented enough players on it
to be able to because you're not gonna be able
to be perfect every time.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Sometime you just need a guy to just make a.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Damn play, and they don't really have that guy that
consistently can do that, or two guys or three guys
like some defenses do.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
And what what should be concerning I think for Bengals
fans is that you know, the the defense, it had
played better and played better in the first staff yesterday,
and it had played better the last few weeks, and
you're like, oh boy, like and again, now if they
would have somehow some way kept us rolling and made
the playoffs, and you're kind of like, okay, and they
were showing improvement, But the concern is that like that,

(08:47):
the front office looks at that window of a couple
of games and says, that's how we're capable of playing.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
That's that tells us that we're close.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, like no, no, no, no, Like you can't now two
seasons in a row where your defense has cost you
the postseason. I mean, you know, whether you had Burrow
playing at an MVP level or you didn't have Burrow
playing at all for nine games, like, it was still
the same story your defense. It didn't matter. Your defense
was so bad. And you know, you know, I mean

(09:17):
I wrote my column to Day once to say dot
Com about like, you know, Burrow has to be perfect
and it's just not possible. And and so they've put
themselves the no margin for air, in a position to
last two Decembers because of their defense for the most part,
I mean, the early season struggles last year anyway, and

(09:38):
it's just like they're there that we've seen enough sample
size now that you have to overhaul the defense. You
have to do something. You have to somehow, some way
get better at drafting. You have to, somehow, some way
decide you're going to spend money and get creative and
spend some money on the defensive side, because this isn't working.
Trying to sit here and wait for Miles Murphy and

(10:00):
wait for Shamar Stewart and uh, you know, wait for
Cam Taylor brid and wait for you know some of
those younger battle and yeah, it's like it's it's not
you just run it back mentality just it isn't work well.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
And you're right that, you know, winning sometimes, I mean
really all the time clouds your opinion because you're winning, Like, oh,
I've seen.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
It, Joe Burrow clouds their opinion. Correct, Joe Burrow, Like
you know, we say, we've said a lot, like he
masks so much for them, and which is great. I mean,
that's all part of the team and that's that's his
job and that's how great he is. And they have
him and the other thirty one teams don't so good
for them.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
But you know he cannot. He cannot like do it all.
He just can't.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
And so like you know, yesterday, that's the kind of
game where you know that that guy makes an incredible
play and it's like, okay, well, yeah, Joe Burrow's human,
like he's gonna make some mistakes here and there, and
even that one was kind of like that guy made
a great play and you know Joe Burrow, yes, made
a mistake, but give that other guy credit to like, but.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Like Joe Burrow can't even afford to do that, all.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
Right, I mean to your point, you don't want you
don't want Joe Burrow out there every single game, every
play thing, and boy, I gotta be perfect here, right,
I mean, it's such a luxury if in the back
of his mind, see, you know what, I can take
a risk here because our defense will they'll make a
stop and we'll be fine. But now in his head

(11:37):
he's probably like, we don't have that luxury at all.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, And then I think I think everything sort of
the bow was tied.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
On this defense.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
With that last play you referenced it, Josh Allen. It's
third and fifteen. You get a stop there right around
the two minute mark, and you give that ball to
Joe Burrow. Let's go, and you know that's what Joe.
I mean. They flash over to Joe Burrown and like, gosh,
he's like it was like a serial killer.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
His face.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
You knew you you could feel it. And then they
let him run right up the middle and Geno Stone
is ready impositioned for the tackle and the guy just
like goes one way and Geno Stone is flailing and
it's like, dude, that was tackling runner. But he's not
like a jukie guy that he literally just made that

(12:25):
one move and it's like it wasn't like it was
you know, cat quick kind of move. That's a big guy,
and he just goes right and then like Geno Stone's
diving like he's you know, playing fifth grade football and
just learning how to tackle.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, wasn't good. I guess the Bengals are mathematically still alive.
I believe they have to Steelers has to tie twice
or something something nuts. But nevertheless, I mean say it
out loud, this is a Bengals team that has four wins
in early mid December.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, that's not a playoff teams. For Engles fans are better, man,
Bengals fans is are better.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
They've hung in there.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
They've been so loyal to this franchise. They got their
hopes up rightfully. So after that Super Bowl run and
then back the FC championship, just barely miss another super Bowl.
You got a lot of core pieces from that team.
One core piece you don't Jesse Bates. But now here
you are sitting here thinking like what's the future look like?

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Is Joe Burrow the next Dan Marino?

Speaker 3 (13:27):
That's it. That's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
All right, so we are going to We'll continue this
throughout the show here and there, but coming up here next,
I want to talk a little college football playoff and
specifically Notre Dame. Notre Dame getting a lot of heat
for opting out of the bowl game. I'm going to
defend the day. I have thoughts. I'm going to defend
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Speaker 3 (15:28):
Did they get screwed or was it just fight?

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I I that's a hard, hard question to answer. I
see the argument on both sides. My my iyre is
more on what came after that. But I think the
right now we're focused on did they get screwed?

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Right?

Speaker 5 (15:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:52):
And I think the same thing I can make an
army even as a Notre Dame fan, I would admit
that their schedule wasn't divin't have a bunch of world
beaters on it. And I admit that a head to
head loss, even though it was the first game of
the year and it was by three points. And I
get it because it's it's empirical data. It's hard to ignore.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Go through all those teams that are in the playoffs,
so rock and look, well look at it. Look at
who played other teams that are in the in the playoffs, right,
not very many? Well exactly. And then obviously until the
conference championship games.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
The team that I think that they should have I
think Miami should have gone. I think the team that
should have gone in over was Alabama. I called them
this year and that is not an Alabama team like
the Alabama teams we've we've seen in the past. And
they went out and showed that this past weekend. Right,
they lost by twenty one got killed by George. They

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had negative three rushing yards in the game, and that
gave them their third loss. And all and again, so
much with the committee does and what drives them is
they don't want to set precedence for this and and
they want the conference title games matter. So they're very
particular about we're not gonna punish you for making it
to a conference title game and losing. But it's not

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like they had one loss and they go to the
title game and get beat No, they already had two losses.

Speaker 5 (17:21):
I mean, the.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
I know, and they got blown out.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
And by Georgia. How you play?

Speaker 1 (17:30):
I just feel like so much should be And I
understand eye tests is very subjective, but I mean, I mean,
look at that team, Look at Notre Dame, how they're playing. Now,
what does your brain tell you, I said, tells you
that's a damn good team. You're the eye test with
Alabama right now says they just don't look like a
dominant Alabama's team. Oh and by the way, they have

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three losses, I think they should have got left out well.
And then I mean even go in and again, this
seems like the whole thing is all over the place
because then like you know, the team's rewarded for blowing
another team out. But Alabama no, because remember this committee
members said like that, you know, their gutsy call on
fourth down to end up beating a five and seven

(18:13):
Auburn team, Uh, you know, is what really helped them
in the rankings. Like and they beat them by you know,
by a touchdown. It's like, again, that was a bad
Auburn team. That was what got him into the the
SEC championship game. But you go through here and you know,
you you know, you lost the Florida State You lost
at home, uh to to Oklahoma, which is in the playoff,

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which they're getting ready they're gonna play in the in
the first game of the playoffs. And you know, they
they they struggled in a lot of games. And again like, yeah,
a win is a win, and win is a win
in the SEC. But but go look at Notre Dames.
Resume they won ten in a row.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
They they lost the first two games of the year,
oh by the way, by a score, won by a
field goal, and one by one point to two teams
that are in the playoff, and then they reeled off
ten games in a row.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, I mean were they won by an average of
thirty Like so, I remember watching the end of that
Notre Dame Texas A and M game. If you recall
that game, it was we missed the extra point, that's
what won the game. Oh that's right, yep. So but
I remember thinking my head, all right, well, it's just
the second game of the year. If they went out
and continue to get better, they'll be fine. Well now

(19:27):
they're not. I did want to move forward to really
what resulted of them getting left out as they made
it clearer to the nc double or well to the
College Football Playoff Committee, the Bowl Committee, everybody that they're
declining any and all bowl invites at all to any
of these non college football playoff bulls. What what now?

Speaker 4 (19:48):
This one?

Speaker 1 (19:48):
This one?

Speaker 3 (19:49):
All right, let's let me hear it to me.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
This is just like, oh, we're gonna take our ball
and go home and like really like it just it's
a bad it's it's it's just a bad look and
it's a like it just I think it creates a
lot of undue criticism for them. And everybody already has
their opinion on Notre Dame. I'm one of those people,

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like I've always like great respect for Notre Dame and
just the history and the program and the class and
you know, obviously a great school and you went there.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
And but what what does plane in that game? The
the whatever, the pop target?

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I don't know. And again maybe this is all Pollyanna
and everything, but it's like, it's one more it's it's
it's one more chance to to show to number one,
for your fans to see that team, for your fans
to enjoy watching your team play one more time. It's
an opportunity. Even on the internal part is like, okay,
all right, you're gonna, I think, to keep trying to

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recruit and keep intact the guys you want to keep there.
And so here's one more chance for those guys to play,
get better, prepare for next year.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
All right, we're gonna make that run.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
We're gonna all right, we are going to get over
the hump next year and make the playoff. And I know,
does all sound I don't know, kind of like, well,
you're not really making a strong argument, But I think
too maybe I think you go in there and you
blow out who are they going to play?

Speaker 1 (21:18):
BYU?

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Is that the talk that we're going to play BYU.
And that was another team that you know people and
you know, go in there and blow them out, and like, hey,
you know what, dump your chest a little bit. See
we should have been in there. And and you know,
I know you're already making that argument, but let me
say this.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
I agree on principle with everything you're saying, because I
am old school and I think if you're a football player,
you should play football. I would want to play football.
But I recognize that it is, in my opinion, it's
a different time. There's the old way and there's a
new way that's happening. And right now, I think Notre
Dame is saying, okay, we go to this game, what

(21:59):
is our incentive to play for it? First of all,
ten guys aren't gonna be on the team. They're gonna
be going to draft or the college sport. So it's
not really like you're seeing this year's team again. You're
seeing kind of the team, which is, by the way,
happened to a lot of schools. A lot of schools
correct the top players are leaving getting ready for the
drafts or transferring or whatever.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
So that's not there. And then I mean, and I said,
this just knowing.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Working for ESPN, we drive the College Football Playoff all
year long and during the season it is all about
the College Football Playoff. And I told some of my
colleagues earlier today on a call, I said, do we
how much time do we spend talking about a B
and C team?

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Boy?

Speaker 1 (22:42):
If they if they keep winning, they really can make
can make their way to the Liberty Bowl this year,
not one second of Mariton.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Yeah, so so.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
The so the so the player. Yeah, the players see that.
They're like, well, if you're telling me that the only
thing that matters is a CFP, why do you give it?
Damn if we're not, if we're not going to see if
we do it, do we play again? I also think
it's it's so transactional.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Now.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
I said this with Willie Believe it or not. One
of the incentives when.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I played was my junior year, if we made it
to the Fiesta Bowl, it was like we were gonna
get five hundred dollars in the swag. We got these
Bow's noise canceling headphones, like the first version right, and
it was like, oh my god, this is so they
gave ab out PlayStations. Oh yeah, you know, but.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Now it's like electronics, but most of a lot of
the top play everybody's got that. Now, well maybe they'd
had their own money to buy it.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Well, that's the thing is we're talking about we're gonna
get five hundred dollars worth of for a Bowl gift.
When we got we were getting nothing. Now that gods,
you're getting paid thousands, if not tens of thousand dollars
a week. Like I care about some T shirts and
some headphones or a PlayStation when I'm making all this
money anyway, So what what where's my incentive to play

(23:56):
the game?

Speaker 2 (23:56):
I'm glad you brought that up, Rock, because I think
that's part. Like they've got to find a way. And
I haven't really dove into it at all, but you've
got to They've got to find a way. Okay, So
you know how like, oh, your school makes four million
dollars for playing in the whatever, the Pop Tarts Bowl.

(24:16):
I'm not making every every every team's every school makes
some kind of money, you know, the payout of the Bowl.
They've got to find a way then, obviously that would
be beyond I think what the nil cap is of
the twenty one million dollars a year to each school
is allowed to give out, but they've got to find
a way. Your team makes the bowl, this is your bonus,

(24:40):
you know, almost like a playoff bonus. Agree in the
major leagues. In the NFL, all those guys they get
playoff bonuses. Your your team makes the playoffs, you make
a certain amount of money. Same things should happen here.
Couldn't agree more. Maybe we won't have as many opt outs,
and I can I get opting out if you're going
to be a first second round draft pick. I don't.

(25:01):
I think I don't like the whole transfer portal window.
It's not necessarily the players fault. It's the date they
need to move that, move that off of there to
avoid the opt outs for transfers. So but they've got
to add in, they got to change the transfer portal date,
and they've got to add in some kind of a

(25:22):
you're right, that's you're right. Like guys don't want swag anymore.
Guys don't really care about oh my gosh, you're you're
we have an awesome, pristine stadium and like super cool facility.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
They don't even want that.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
How much money, how much money you gonna pay me? Right,
they'll go, they'll go play.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
And I'm not saying it's right, but it is because
we've created this monster and now we got to kind
of live with it. And I mean I would they
absolutely need to pay the players for the Bulls again,
which in in just in principle, I'm against, but if
they want the Bulls to keep going, they should make
it like winning team gets seventy, losing team gets thirty.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Now US season boys get after him play.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Look, this is the world we're living now. College football
is about money. We're not They're no longer hiding it.
It's out there.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
It's what drives recruiting, it's what drives transfer, portal, it's
what drives everything. Fortunately or unfortunately, we've created this monster.
So now we either got to say we've got to
keep going and keep going to the these are no
longer amateur kids anymore, keep going, or say let's just
go back to the old. And there's an argument for that. Yeah,

(26:31):
I for the go back and check the record. Ten
years ago, I was like, just keep it at a
four team playoff, okay, because realistically only four teams.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Can really be the national champion, right, But for the
rest of the.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Teams, now some of the bowls and the conference titles
still matter, and more teams can feel like we had
a successful season. Right now, it is if you don't
make the College Football Playoff, or if you're some scores,
you don't win it, you're a farewell, you're a failure.
Or it used to be like, Okay, maybe in Ohio
you're at Ohio State, you're in a down year.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Okay, you're not gonna win the title.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
But you know you could go to the Gator Bowl
and win an opponent or win or play the or
or playing the Big Ten title game, and boy, we
won the Big You know who won the SEC four
years ago? Who won the American? Who won the ACC
four years ago? You can't tell me because people don't
don't care. What a mess it is a mess. I

(27:29):
I mean there's other things to talk about.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
I know we're gonna get to break, but I mean
the Notre Dames Athletic or Pete Levaukua coming out basically
saying that the ACC has done permanent damage to their
relationship our name, and I guess, you know, I don't
know if the commissioner came out, I didn't see, but
he was on I saw the clip on Dan Patrick
and basically where he was like, essentially, I guess the

(27:51):
lobbying for Miami and the ACC teams to get in
and rub them the wrong way, and it's like, well,
you're not in the.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
A CC for four are trying to force an entertainment
of the conference, and if they are, this is the
probably wrong way to go about it. Anyway, We'll continue
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Speaker 9 (31:17):
Yeah, rock Hey, I was there during the low hoole
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Speaker 3 (31:27):
Good luck getting that out of him, right, but uh,
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Speaker 9 (31:34):
Okay, Notre Dame guys grew blued and tattooed, and you
know it goes to show you if if we can
lose to a pathetic lower level teams like Marshall and
Northern Illinois and still get in to a playoff and
and be and make it to a final. That is
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we like tenth? I mean, we were very capable, and
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and for Alabama to get boat raced by Georgia and
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(32:17):
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lot of BS that goes along with the ESPN's SEC
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Speaker 2 (32:33):
And you know, I might want to check your history,
by the way, on that. When you call Marshall pathetic,
you might want to check your history on that.

Speaker 9 (32:41):
No, Marshall's a fine team. I was just I was
just ribbing you there, Jason, while I had you on
the air. So I just got to get a new
play by play announcer, you know, getting a little more
excited when you pull those great upsets off.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
All right exactly?

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Northern Illinois, Yeah, Stanford USC, Yeah, Yeah, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Well, Dave some great points and thank you.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
I just think that, as I said, I I don't
think I mean say it out loud Notre Dame is
not playing with a team that they have in jam
you and Tulane are.

Speaker 7 (33:13):
Now.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
I have no problem with it in functionality though, because
that's how it's set up now, but should that be
how it is? And you know, my biggest argument is
still that Alabama got they beat on the final, last
second play. They beat a five and seven Auburn team
that had an interim coach, and then they go out
and get killed by Georgia or and and look awful

(33:35):
doing it, and that gave.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Him their third loss. That means something.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
As the guy who as a Marshall fan who champions
the little guy, the way this thing is set up
right now, I would say no, Like, if you're gonna
you've set it up to where you should be the
best twelve teams. Now, if you were to expand that,
not obviously to an NCAA tournament, but if you were
expand it out relatively speaking in football, then I think
you probably there. There's where you got to let little

(34:00):
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Speaker 1 (39:18):
All right, our number two rocking alongside Jason Williams and
Jason the heavy sports time of year. But maybe a
little bit buried was the news that came out late
last week about our mayor.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
I have to have puerival having some call it financial issues.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
Right.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Seemingly, you're a good friend, that's right, Me and him
big good friends.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Now you him and will you guys go out to dinner? Yeah,
but you guys got like a quarterly dinner.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
I would do it. I have lots of information I
would like when I covered I always enjoyed talking at
he was always accessible and enjoy talking to him. He
may be accessible, but he's not now his finances right
now because apparently I guess, not once but twice he's
had cars that have been repossessed or in danger getting repossessed.

(40:07):
Also possibly some things with you know, with his house
and the rent on that, and and I guess. Look,
and one hand, it's look what happens to someone in
their private businesses, that's fine. But on the other hand,
this is a guy that's in charge of major financial
decisions for our city have some problem. Look not a
good look.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
You're in charge, you're in charge of what over a
billion dollars budget taxes and you're you know, you're making
decisions on you know what, how much money to put
in the streets and all kinds of different programs and
you can't even have your own financial house in order.
That is not a good look. You're not sure you're
you're in the right job.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Great, No, that's what we want to discuss. We bring
on our heavy hitter. Look attorney here, Steve Good and
Steve welcome to the program.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
How are you fantastic? How are you?

Speaker 1 (40:56):
We are good? Steve so, so, what did you make
when you saw are making a big too big of
a big deal this? Are people making a big deal
of this and maybe just trying to take a shot
at the mayor? Should we let this go? What's your thoughts?

Speaker 17 (41:09):
Well, my first thought is Cincinnati just has a weird
history with mayors and like bounced checks and so forth.
I mean, if you go back to Jerry Spring oh yeah,
and the prostitute, I mean that's kind of what how
he became sort of famous.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
So God God rest his soul.

Speaker 17 (41:24):
So I don't know what it is about mayors and
Cincinnati and bounce checks. But it's it's in the water
over there, I guess. But I mean, are we making
too big of a deal about it? I mean the
short answer is, you know, you know, I don't know
that anyone's making that big a deal about it. It's
a very weird circumstance. No one should ever celebrate anybody
having personal financial issues, if indeed that's what's going here.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
I'm not crowing about that.

Speaker 17 (41:47):
I mean, it's if he really is having problems, that's
that's terrible.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
I know, he lives in a very nice house.

Speaker 17 (41:53):
He lives actually vert near me on a private street,
and you know, it doesn't make a lot of sense.
But but I'm concerned about two things here. I guess
number one is his story about what happened just doesn't
make any sense. I mean, he's basically saying he had
an issue with auto pay, and I would think the
bank is going to say the issue with auto pay
was that there was no money in the account.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
For the auto pay.

Speaker 17 (42:16):
Anyone who's ever paid a car loan knows that when
you do auto pay, which I do, you get multiple
emails saying, hey, the money's coming out. The money has
been taken out, and that before something goes to repossession
or written notices and all kinds of things. So the
idea that you just might miss a payment or two
and they come take your car, that's not the way
it works from a legal standpoint in Ohio. So his

(42:36):
story on its face doesn't make sense and it really
looks like dissembling. The other issue I have is this
is when we look at our very recent history at
city Hall, we had at least two of the council
members who serve federal prison time, mis Stynard and Jeff
Past were essentially bribed because of their personal financial situation.

(43:00):
When the word is out that you need the money,
the vultures just send. And I think that is that
is an even bigger problem that we have. No one's
really in a position to say no. And honestly, you
have this other kind of issue, which I call this
part of the soft corruption, which is you have people
in public office sort of auditioning for roles in the
private sector and giving favors to people that they hope

(43:22):
will employ them when they get out. So you know,
it's a weird thing there. I mean, I mean city
you know, the Mayor's job. It pays relatively wealthy. It
pays one hundred eighteen thousand dollars, but it's a full
time job. You're not allowed to have any other kind
of income outside that. You are rubbing shoulders of very
wealthy people and expected to, I guess, dress a certain way,

(43:43):
and drive a certain kind of car, and maintain a
certain appearance and lifestyle. And it's probably in excess of
what one hundred eighteen thousand dollars will buy you. So
I have some sympothy from that standpoint, I suppose, But
you know, all in other people may to work, and
he's going to have to find a way to make
it work. And it's as Jason as you said, it's

(44:04):
just a terrible look for the for the city. And
it does make you wonder whether, uh, there's the basic
financial literacy down here to make the kinds of decisions
that need to be made.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah, Steve Gooden joins us, your local attorney, former Cincinnai
City council member. And Steve, when you were on city
council did and again you're in you're in that elected office.
Did you feel a sense of I need to I
need to really really make extra sure Uh you know,

(44:33):
I know you're already you know, a very responsible guy
and successful guy from your military career and your legal
career and your political career. But like, was there did
you go through all of your own personal business and say,
all right, I really need to make sure I'm extra
buttoned up on all of you know, my bills and everything.
Did did you feel more of a sense of I've

(44:56):
got to be even extra careful on just those kinds
of things.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Well, you know you do.

Speaker 17 (45:03):
And I mean, and it's and it's hard, and I
will say, and this is again out and nobody should
ever belly acher complain about being in public office. I mean,
it's an absolute honor straight through. But you know, but
I will say that there is a part of it
in the way we do things at the municipal level,
not just in Cincinnati, but throughout the big cities in
Ohio where you know, it is more financially challenging than

(45:27):
I think. I say, you're on city council, you get
a I think it's roughly sixty four thousand dollars a year,
but it doesign need to be a part time job,
and you can still do other work. And if you're
a lawyer, you can still do other work. But then
suddenly you realize that the cause of your connection to
the city, that you have so many conflicts and conflicts of.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
Interest that you you you're you're not only you.

Speaker 17 (45:48):
But your law firm sometimes or in my case, had
to pass on business because your the zoning cases and
things of that nature, because they would touch the city
in some way.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
And then you end up.

Speaker 17 (45:57):
With your you know, your partners and colleagues said it
to you, because everyone's losing money and losing income on
these things. So it's a bigger sacrifice than it might seem,
particularly you know, if you're used to making more than
sixty thousand dollars a year and they're living on that,
so you really do have to be careful and you can.
You know, there could be more of a sacrifice to

(46:17):
it than it might seem. That's what happened to you
have Pastor. He lost his private sector job due to
a conflict at the city and wasn't able to find
another one, and he had a house with four kids
and couldn't make it work for sixty some thousand dollars,
or at least that's what I believe he told the
court at his.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Plea, Steve, you make some great points here, and you know,
if you're if you're af tab and again not saying
he would do this, but you know, during the course
of your days, your weeks, your months on the job,
you're rubbing shoulders with Bob Cassolini and one of the lenders,
and you know, having lunch with John Barrett, and you're
looking around like, God, these guys are living a certain

(46:54):
way and I'm not there, but I you know, there's
everybody has that pressure to keep up with the owns is. Again,
everyone faces that to some degree, but when you're in
public office, it's even more of a potentially compromising situation.
If you would act on those things and try to
live above your means and and do things where you

(47:15):
might be tempted to, you're gonna have more people coming
up to you to tempt you with things than the
average person would be.

Speaker 17 (47:23):
No, that's exactly right. I mean, you know, you're you're
in a you're often in a you know, you're you're
in a time X job, rubbing shoulders.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
In a role X world. You know, so it's uh,
you know, it's.

Speaker 17 (47:33):
A very it's a it's a very different sort of thing.
And and you know, and and you know, we do
regard our mayors uh as sort of being you know,
you know, the head of the city in a lot
of ways, and uh And the pressure to look and
dress and act a certain way. And you know, I say,
drive a certain kind of car and go out to
certain places is pretty considerable there too. And there are

(47:56):
limits as to what you can use your campaign dollars
on these day. So so the you know, the pressure
is pretty extraordinary. And I would imagine and again I
don't know what the circumstances are here.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 17 (48:08):
I cannot speculate as to his true of the mayor's
true personal finances, but he would not be the first
public official to get himself into trouble, either financially or ethically,
trying to chase this image of prosperity that you know
that you sort of feel a peer pressure to present.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Steve sid Kevin Aldridge wrote a nice piece about this
in the Inquire Since any dot Com. I'm basically just saying,
like this just his spin and like, you know, kind
of like not buying the spin.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Here is it?

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Your read on this is that you know the AFT
tab is not being is forward about or he's being
he's too concerned.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
About being.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Open and transparent about this out of embarrassment even is
there is there an element of embarrassment here for him?
Do you think that is why he's just saying, like, hey,
it was this carelessness because you're right, like you know
everything I've read and you said it earlier, like you know,
you this is not a get you get a call, Hey,
we're coming to repossess your car here in a couple

(49:12):
of hours. I mean, this is a months long, weeks
long thing where you're getting letters and emails and yeah calls,
and you just think ultimately he's embarrassed by it and
doesn't want to just sort of come out and say.

Speaker 17 (49:24):
That, well, you know, I mean my mother used to
say to me one time I got in trouble for
something in high school, and she just said, look, going
forward in the future, just say the answer all questions
with yes, no.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
Or none of my business.

Speaker 17 (49:37):
And he should have probably said none of my business
on this one, yeah, or none of your business. I
should say, you know, to to the public because its story.
You know, his answer really doesn't make any kind of sense.
There's a quote issue with the auto pay and again
I based this.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
I used to the.

Speaker 17 (49:53):
Law firm where I used to work did a significant
amount all we call creditors rights litigation or actually, you know,
chasing people from bad.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Loans, including bad car loans. I know the process.

Speaker 17 (50:03):
There are many, many, many notices that you receive before
it gets to that state. And again, I'm someone right
now who is paying a car payment every month on
auto pay. I get an email a couple of days
before the payment is to come out, which is basically like, hey,
make sure there's enough money in there, and then I
get a receipt once the money comes out. Again, so

(50:23):
you get two emails every month. And I would think
most people get it this way. I'm sure you could
set it up for text or whatever. It's just the
way we do business now as individuals. So the idea
that you could fall multiple payments behind not notice it,
miss all the notices, miss the written notices, I mean
none of that really makes a lot of sense. And
again you know the answer for him, should you know me? Well,

(50:46):
then either like look I'm having some issues or I
mess this up, or really it's a private affair, I'll
deal with it.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
I think people would have accepted.

Speaker 17 (50:53):
That better than this sort of you know, clearly sort
of you know, strangely worded state that really just doesn't
comfort with anybody's in a regular experience as a human
being and buying a car these days.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Well, moving forward, Steve, my answers to any question, yes, no,
or none of your damn business. That was sound advice.
I really appreciate that.

Speaker 17 (51:14):
Love that there might have there might have been a
girl involved in that, say, nineteen ninety seven, it was
and it was just kind of like she was just like,
maybe there's some stuff I don't want to know.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Steve exactly. Well, Steve, this is a great insight, man,
I really really appreciate it. Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Hey, take care.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Thanks Safety local turning, Steve Gooden joining us.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
I think he makes a great point, and that's you know,
I've always said that, you know, if you're going to
run for public office, office, any public office, yep, you
need to either have all the money or none of
the money. In other words, you need to have an
exorbitant amount of money where you don't need to worry
about making any more or what your financist is, or

(51:59):
have nothing where you don't miss anything, you're not living
a certain lifestyle. It's it's the people that where the
majority of people are where they're they got a decent
amount of living they're going, but it's not enough where
I can just quit my job and all of a
sudden if you're going you take say a Cincinnati City
council job and it pays fifty which is.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Okay, but you know, depending on your situation. You got
four kids at home, you know, fifty is a little
a little harder.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
So you gotta you know, I mean, it is interesting
to see how Yeah, and that's why I think a
lot of people don't choose to go into it, because
they're like, well, I can't retire, but I'm also I'm
living at a certain status level that I need to maintain,
and I think that's where these folks find themselves.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
That was a great e a great explanation from Steve
Gooden too, Like you know that the mayor you cannot
have another job outside of that, right, but on council
you can. That was interesting how he explained balancing you know,
your sixty thousand dollars year council job with trying to
do other work outside of that, depending on what that is.
You know, well, I have to, you know, super duper

(53:00):
careful with to sell the conflict of interests.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
And well that's what he said. Yeah, you can technically
have a job, but most you can't because there's always some.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Sort of unless you at minards or something. And you
know that's one other thing too, I'd add real quick too.
I think it probably is an interesting position for aft have.
Pure of all, this guy was very successful lawyer. He
was at Procter and Gamble for many years. He's been
in uh elected office now for a while. The clerk

(53:30):
of courts. I don't know what the clerk of courts
makes or whatever, but you know, I'm sure there's a
thought of him, like, hey, there was a lifestyle that
he was once at. And again that's his personal business.
But you know this isn't Procter and Gamble lawyer kind
of money, right, And.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
You still got the same friends you were rolling around with,
and now you got even you're you're moving around with
the big movers and shakers of the town who are
millionaire billionaire types and you're kind of feeling need to
keep up. Very interesting, but we'll keep our sights on
that what happens moving forward, all right, let's check some
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Speaker 2 (56:04):
Defensive end Trey Hendridson is set to undergo season ending surgery.
Undergo quote muscle core surgery, sorry, core muscle surgery. According
to ESPN's Adam Schefter, Henderson has been out since he
aggravated the injury in Week eight against the Jets. He

(56:27):
originally got hurt in that Week six game at Green Bay.
He had a he had a I guess it's a
hip injury. So so he's getting surgery. He is getting surgery.
According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, that would put him out
six weeks, which.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Is the rest of the Sea this season. Okay, but
your thoughts, your comments.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
My thought A is that I legit think he's hurt obviously,
and I've always thought that. I know some people were
questioning whether it was just the fact the team wasn't
playing well, he had that big contract squabble. Was he
kind of nursing and it was he just sort of
not nursing it, but like kind of you know, taking
his good old time to come back right now. I

(57:14):
think Trey Henderson is a guy who loves to play football,
and if he's healthy or close to healthy, I think
he's going to be out there. I think this was
a legit injury that was keeping him off the field. Now,
I mean, I think we've seen the last of Trey
Hendrickson in Cincinnati. I would think this, yeah, miss he

(57:37):
did that one year, he redid his contract for one
season and.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
What do you how much do you make this year?

Speaker 2 (57:44):
I'd have to go back and look at that les
audios off the top of his head, you know, And
here it is. It's in this story I'm reading since
dot Com. In August, Henderson received a fourteen million dollar raise,
bringing his salary for the twenty twenty five season to
thirty million him.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
So he's just tough. I mean, says a lot of
money for you know, little very little production. But look,
that's sway it is in the NFL. I had injuries that,
you know, someone on the outside could say, oh, well,
how come he can't play through a torn calf? Well,
let me tell you, you know, it's so yeah. I
always hesitate to really get into that. I always did

(58:20):
think it was weird with Trey how I never felt
like he was a favorite amongst his teammates. And maybe
that doesn't matter. There's guys I know that were great
players that you know, a lot of guys didn't like him,
but I certainly feel that way. I don't feel like anybody,
no one ever really came to his defense like or

(58:41):
no one ever like during the contract if you no
one was ever like we need to pay trade because
he's the he's the heart and blood and soul of
our team. Never felt like that was the case, which
again isn't right right or wrong. I just think it
is the fact though I think Trey operated in US
in kind of a silo. I don't think he was
overly liked, but I don't think he was disliked either.

(59:04):
I think it was just like it's all business and
that guy's a you know, he plays hard and he
wants to be out there. But I don't think he
was a guy who was you know, all the guys
wanted to hang out with him, and all the guys
really looked to him as a leader. And I certainly
thought when you know, they named him a team captain
this year, which I thought was like, he's not really

(59:24):
a team captain type of guy. And I thought it
was a bad look when he showed up at what
the mini camp. I believe it was when he was
in his contract dispute, and then all the all the
reporters gathered around and he just blasted the front office
essentially in the Bengals. I'm like, eh, I don't think
that's team captain kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
I get it, like you're you're in a dispute. That's
the business side of this, Okay whatever. I still don't
think a team captain kind of caliber guy is doing that.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Now.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
I can get, like, you know, a very calculated criticism
here and there of things that are going on, as
long as you're owning it yourself the way Joe Burrow does.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Joe Burrow will if you read.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Between the lines and some of the things he says,
he'll criticize the organization, but he lumps himself in with
that as he's part of, Yes, I've gotta I've got
I've got to be better, I've got to you know,
this is part of you know, it's it's us here,
It's not them, it's us. And to me, that's that's
team captain kind of comments. But Trey Hendrickson, I, I

(01:00:37):
you know, I mean, full disclosure. I was in that
camp where I thought they needed to really get him
under a multi year contract. But uh, you know, certainly
there are a lot of others and in our media
who said, nah, he's getting old, and you know, the
the production falls off and here he is. I don't know,
I don't know if this has really to do with
his with age. And you're right. I mean, I'm glad

(01:00:59):
you brought that up about injuries, because you always gotta
be careful about injuries. Like I learned this earlier in
my career writing career, Like you know, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Tough to.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Everybody has a different threshold for pain and what they're
going through and like, how how was it for me
as a as a reporter or whatever to like, you know,
really you gotta be really careful and think really hard
and talk to the people, talk to a lot of people,
including the athlete about you know, when you're reporting on injuries,

(01:01:30):
you know besides just a generic.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Hey, this was the news of Hayes out injury. I think,
especially for me when it comes to lower bodies slash
core injuries, because if you if you can't move out there,
I've been there. When I'm I feel like I'm moving
at seventy percent of my best against guys that are
the top in the world, and that's a that's a

(01:01:53):
that's a way to get really hurt. Now, upper body stuff, okay,
you know certain positions, I think you should try to
suck it up and play if you can, But especially
lower body stuff, it's hard to really gauge exactly what
they're going through.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
That reminds me though, of a Hunter Green is a
guy who's been questioned for his nursing of injury, you know,
extending what what are determined like medically determined to be
minor injuries, Like he had a minor grade groin strain
uh in this season and he stretched that thing out
of what was he out?

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
I can't remember. He was out a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
And you know, he got a second opinion, and the
second opinion said the same thing as the first opinion.
And it's a groin, Like, it's not an elbow, it's
not a shoulder, it's like, it's a groin. It's a
minor injury. And it's like yeah, And then came in
he's coming because that's not the first time that that's happened.
He's come into question for that, and and again, yeah,

(01:02:51):
that's that's one athlete and I'm not you know, I
think you have to always look at every guy or
woman that you're covering, and it comes the injuries, is
you know, their own their own saying and their own deal,
Like you know, oh well that well, that injury for
that guy, he kept him out, you know, two months.
But that other guy had that same injury, so to speak,

(01:03:12):
and he was only out for a week.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Yeah, that can be different. Yes, I do think. You know,
there's where Hunger Green may follow though, is you know,
waiting until he is one hundred percent. And I think
as an athlete and a pro athlete, you're getting paid money,
you gotta I always say, you know, you under certain circumstances,

(01:03:34):
you can't be afraid to take a needle. You gotta
go out there and play.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
And that's been questioning on the on the inside of
the Reds organization. I think that's exactly. It's, you know,
the grind of a you know, six seven month season
with spring training and all that, Like you're never going
to be really one hundred percent, right, I mean, but
I think that is his life.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
I want to, I want to, I want to be.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
One hundred percent, but I'm like, yeah, well I gotta
play through some pain and again, I don't know what
your threshold for pain is because it's not my body man,
you know, like I guess the argument would be, and
until the Reds, I would him accountable for that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
I mean, if they're you know, if he if he's
probably sitting there saying, well, the Reds you know, at
least haven't really seemed to threaten to trade me or
get rid of me if I don't tough en up,
so just keep doing it. You know, if people respond
to incentives, and if he hasn't been incentivised to hurt
his ass up and get healthy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
You know what, why was he come back? Well that's
a great that's a great point.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
Rock.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Well, I don't know if it's that, but something to
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Eddie's out alongside Jason Williams and Jason even after a
day with the Bengals fall to the Buffalo Bill's thirty
nine to thirty four. Lots of breaking news around Begledom
and to talk about that, we'll bring on our good
friend David Laughing. We always enjoy, enjoy speaking with him
every Monday and Lap. Let's start with this. The news

(01:06:55):
earlier around three o'clock came out that Jermaine Burton had
been released. What can you tell us about the Jermaine
Burton tenure here with the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 11 (01:07:10):
It was interesting, I guess to say the last belt
surprise waves.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
Really it's it's it's a shame you have a.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Lap a lap. We've got a bad connection. I'm gonna
ask you to hang up and we'll try you back
here again. If that's okay, we'll get to get a
better signal here. Sometimes you gotta jostle it around you.
It's shake your phone. It's like a Nintendo flow in
the bottom of it. Everybody did that and it worked.
It worked. They swear it never works. But I thought

(01:07:45):
that we have Dave lapping back. Dave, can you hear us?

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
I can hear you.

Speaker 11 (01:07:49):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Oh my god, you sound crystal clear as if you're
sitting here next to the Yeah. So uh so, yeah,
so we were. I was asking about Jermaine Burt and
he was really today wasn't active for any game this year.
It just seemed like a bad situation.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
What happened with that lap.

Speaker 11 (01:08:07):
Yeah, a bad situation is a good way to describe it.
I mean, here's a guy that was drafted in the
third round. You know, played in the SEC and the
high level of football. Obviously, he's got all the physical
gifts that you want. I mean, you know, he's a
good size guy. Not a huge receiver, but you know
good size receiver size, speed ratio is strong, he's got strength,

(01:08:30):
he's got hands, can you know use catch the football
effortlessly and smoothly, puts it away, keeps it out of
harm's way. He can not only straight line speed, but
also put us foot in the ground and separate from
my defendercy he can do everything. The problem is he's
got nothing upstairs for the game. I mean, it's just

(01:08:52):
it's too big for him. And as Paul Brown used
to say, you know, if the game's too big for you,
you're not gonna be around very long. And and he's
not around anymore, and lessons be learned, for sure. Unfortunate
because here's a guy that everybody thought would maybe have
a bright future. But you know, you have to have
football IQ and IQ you know, general general education IQ

(01:09:17):
as well in order to make it work.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
And it just seemed lap that they were assuming times.
I point to the time when t Higgins is out
hurt the first time and it's like, here's his time, right,
you finally get your opportunity the Bengals need a guy
that can stretch the defense. This is your time. And
if you had been studying the playbook and working on
your routes and understanding the different space and the things

(01:09:41):
you need to do, the different releases you need to take,
he could have taken that and grabbed it. But it
never seemed like he was a guy right that wanted
to do the mental things that it took to be
a great pro player in the pros that you can't
just be a great athlete, you must also you know,
use your head and learn how to know the He
never wanted to do.

Speaker 11 (01:10:01):
That again exactly. I mean, he never made any sacrifices,
you know, he never he never. He never did anything
you know that was going to maybe be a little
bit harder, something he didn't necessarily really want to do,
but was going to make him a great player. Everything
came naturally to him physically, but mentally, you know, extra

(01:10:21):
time with the coaches, extra study time, knows in the playbook,
knows in the game plan, making sure that you knew,
like you're talking about every nuance of everything that you're
supposed to do. If you have to adjust your route,
why and what route are you adjusting to be on
the same page. You know, Joe Burrow has tremendous chemistry
with Jamar Chase and t Higgins, and it's built on

(01:10:44):
trust and respect, and he had neither. For what Burton
was putting out on the football field. I mean it
was a third down situation. He was the third receiver
and they rolled coverage and doubled both of his main guys.
I don't think he felt real comfortable about throwing the
foot faut Burton and that's that's that's too bad, man,
That's that's very sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Yeah, she couldn't have said any better, Lap, because I
I think I think Zach Taylor is as good of
a culture coach as there is in all of football.
And if that guy can't figure it out here and
turn around here, I'm not sure we're going to see
that guy in an NFL uniform.

Speaker 11 (01:11:23):
Ever, again, how would he have done with Belichick.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Switching gears?

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Uh? Going down the list of news today, Trey Hendrickson,
this comes out from ESPNU that he's gonna have surgery here,
and gosh, Lap, you know, I mean, all the struggles
of the defense this season and you know, not really
having a fully healthy Trey Hendrickson. It may never I mean,

(01:11:53):
this may be it. We may never see him again
in the Bengals uniform as he was in the last
year of his contract. And what do you what do
you what do you think about you know, Trey Hendrickson.
Is it is it time to kind of remember, well,
you know, look back on his career here and think, hey,
these are the good this was, this was this was
overall really a good thing.

Speaker 11 (01:12:14):
Yeah, that's the thing. I you know, the way it's
ending is unfortunate because you know, here's a guy fifteen
sax season, seventeen and a half sax season, you know,
and then all kinds of quarterback pressures and hits to
go along with it. Yeah, he was a force. I mean, uh,
he was a guy that, you know, over a three
to five year span, was as good as anybody putting
pressure off the blind side of a right handed quarterback.

(01:12:37):
And it's it's unfortunate that that it is ending this
way because yeah, he's having surgery. In my understanding is
it's six weeks for recovery. So the season's over unless
the Bengals are in the playoffs. And if they are
in the playoffs, I mean a lot of rust and
dustin knock off there and be a significant contributor to
the playoff cause. So I think you're right. I think
we're we've seen the last of Trey Henderson here in

(01:13:00):
the Cincinnati Bengals uniform.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
Unfortunately, Dave I've said, and I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
I don't know if there's an argument, again said, I
think he's you know, one of the greatest, if not
the greatest free agent signing the Bengals have ever had
in terms of like a strict free agent signed. I
remember when, I remember where I was when the news broke,
and I'm like, man.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
Who's I don't I don't really recall his name.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
I looked him up, like, Okay, he had a nice
year there, but he was opposite uh what's his name?
So I don't know how good he's gonna be, But man,
he turned in some absolutely fantastic seasons right in the
heart of some of those great Bengals teams.

Speaker 11 (01:13:38):
Really, no no doubt about it. I mean, this guy
was a past rush demon. I mean he was about
as good as there was in the National Football League,
and the offensive coordinators lost sleep at night trying to
figure out ways to uh contain him, slow him down,
don't let him be a factor to his I mean
he could cause turnovers, you know, knocking the ball free,

(01:14:01):
making the quarterback throw the ball before he wants to
and therefore thrown into coverage, not putting the ball where
an open target is. I mean, he was an issue,
and he made his teammates better, you know, because now
everybody else is one on one. You know, everybody else
has a chance, to legitimate chance to If I can
get past this guy, I put it on that outside

(01:14:23):
shoulder with a strong move, I can I can do
some damage to the quarterback. So yeah, Trey Henderson was
was definitely a tremendous player.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Let's talk about the positives of yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Lap you were there in the snow, you and Dan
calling it, And how awesome was that first half of
Joe Burrow versus Josh Allen and watching those two just
incredible talents go back and forth and throw balls that
you know, only maybe no other quarterbacks in all the
world can can throw.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
It was amazing.

Speaker 11 (01:14:57):
You know, under those conditions, it was like a snow globe,
you know, down there and uh are up there in Buffalo,
and I mean the first three possessions for Joe Burrow touchdown, touchdown, touchdown,
It's like, whoa, holy crap. I mean, you know that
that's hard to do and in in great situations, uh,

(01:15:18):
in terms of climate control and he he uh, Joe
is a he's an amazing player. Unfortunately, he had the
back to back uh snaps interceptions that that probably hasn't
happened to him at any level in high school, college
or the National Football League. So that one I think
is probably gonna, you know, stay with him for a while,

(01:15:38):
but he'll rebound. He hasn't w won bad performance. You know,
keep him down very long. You can't in the National
Football League. You know, you have to bounce back. You
have to bounce back quickly. That's just the nature of
the beast. And every every week you're playing the best
of the best. So uh yeah that Uh those that
weather those weather conditions though, I'll tell you one for

(01:16:00):
people though that need to need to get a salute.
The grounds crew. They were working their tails off.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
Man.

Speaker 11 (01:16:06):
They were out there with those blowers and those brooms
and they were they were working in shovels. They were
getting it done, and they made the conditions as tolerable
as possible, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Yeah, that was what a fun game. Lab If you're
played in a snow game like that, I know you
played in the Freezer Bowl, that's a different thing. You're
playing in just a good old fashioned snow game like that.

Speaker 11 (01:16:29):
Yeah, the Freezer Bowl, obviously is the first. Is the
most inclement weather condition I've.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
Ever played at least.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
Yeah, it was nine.

Speaker 11 (01:16:40):
Below row temperature, fifty nine below windshill.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
And by the way, Lap like they that happened today,
they wouldn't play the game. We've gotten softer. They would
cancel that game.

Speaker 11 (01:16:54):
I think you know, it came dangerously close. It was
like literally but then half an hour an hour of
being canceled, but they decided decided to play it. And
uh yeah, I was like big hands Johnson, and this
dude's got muckers on him that are unbelievable and unbelievably strong,
and I can't let him be grabbing me and yanking
the material, you pulling cloths off my backside.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
So I did.

Speaker 11 (01:17:17):
I went sleeveless and uh and and you know, put vaciline.
They'd allowed us to put vacline or exposed on your face,
and and so I slapped it all over the slabbing
it up and down the arms and it was so
damn coll to coagulated.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
You know, that alone was worth your Ring of Honor induction,
just that alone period period.

Speaker 11 (01:17:38):
It was crazy, It was It was crazy, nutty experience.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
One awesome all right. At one last thing I wanted
to ask you about. I guess T Higgins is possibly,
you know, has some you know, concussion type issues or
what's going on with him. It didn't look like he
came out of the game, uh in that greyish shape.

Speaker 11 (01:17:59):
Yeah, he had gaged again, you know, And you know
how it is, once you start getting concussions, you can
be susceptible to him. And he bounced off that turf
pretty good. But man, that dude made some players, didn't
he He is a freaking special player. He's got those
long arms, those big hands. That one handed touchdown catch
was a thing of beauty. And Joe Burrow has tremendous

(01:18:22):
confidence in him. And we're talking about trust and respect,
and you know, Jamar Chase obviously has it. Dean Burrow
have been doing it since the LSU days, but so
does T Higgins and Joe Burrow definitely has a one
two punch that he feels is as good as any
in the National Football League, and T Higgins is definitely
a big part of.

Speaker 20 (01:18:39):
That, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Lap And I hope these guys can get it figured
out on the defensive side for next season, because a
playoffs with al Joe Burrow and T. Higgins and Jamar
Chase is a darn shame. I mean, those guys are
just so fun and then some of the other great
you know, the offensive line has played really well for

(01:19:01):
the most part of all season. For this offense to
not be in the playoffs, it's you know Rock and
I were talking earlier, is it's a real shame that
we won't have the opportunity to potentially you see a
rematch of those two teams yesterday in the playoffs, because yeah,
I mean, that's that's that's fun. And the Banker's got

(01:19:24):
to figure it out on defense and get back there.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
Yeah they do.

Speaker 11 (01:19:29):
I mean, you know, they don't have to be top three,
top five now, just maybe twelve to fifteen, you know,
I mean, just don't be giving up thirty five forty
points a game when your offense is scoring thirty thirty two.
Don't be giving up thirty five to forty. You know,
it's that simple. It's like, man, you know, really just
make a stop every once in a while, you know,

(01:19:50):
make them line up and kick a field goal. It's
just it is. It's totally frustrating. And they still have
a lot of work to do from personnel standpoint. On
that side of the football. They have some young players
that they feel good about, they feel, you know, that
worth developing and putting some time and energy into. But
a long way to go before they rest.

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
So, with that said, lab and we got about a
minute with no Tree Henderson likely coming back next year,
who are if you had to say, we need two guys,
two guys on this defense to keep it and kind
of build this thing off of and go into the
drafts and go into free agency, who would you select
off this current Bengals defense man.

Speaker 11 (01:20:33):
That's a good question, you know. I mean, I think
I think Carters got potential at the linebacker position. I
think he might hopefully, you know, develop into something I'm
not talking about, you know, per aennial Pro bowler. And
on the back end, they got some work to do
there for sure. But yeah, that's the reason they're giving up.

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
A number of points.

Speaker 11 (01:21:00):
You can't you can't rattle off a whole.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Bunch exactly that. That's I'm in the same boat. Lab.
I started to say, Oh, well, I don't know about that,
but hopefully the Bengals figured out here.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
But laugh. We we got to run.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
But appreciate your time. What do you got on the
show here coming up tonight.

Speaker 11 (01:21:17):
Yeah, we've got a whole plethora of reaction after the
game in the locker room. We've We've got, you know,
Zach Taylor talking about a couple of different segments with
Zach Taylor talking about his reaction to what took place
and what was good and what wasn't in during the
course of the football game. We also uh talked to

(01:21:37):
Miles Murphy and Orlando Brown to get offensive and defensive
perspective and a whole plusor We've got a lot of
sound in the post game that hopefully people would enjoy.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
Awesome, Lab, you're the best man, Really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
All right, man, we'll see you. Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Well, the only Dave Lebe, I mean, the guy watches
the Bengals like every day and he's having a hard
time come probably Yeah, I think I think he's had
at times a breakout season. I think he's one of
them trying to look for some positives here, you know,
Shamar Stewart, come home, come home. All right with that,

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Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
He rose of service, all right, welcome back Rocky alongside
Jason Williams and Jason. Kind of a confusing thing going
on here, but a lot of Biden battles amongst the
titans of broadcasts and television and entertainment. I guess Paramount
is launching a bid to acquire Warner Brothers. With the

(01:24:21):
latest on this from ABC are good friend, Alex Stone,
Alex what is the latest with these potential huge mergers here?

Speaker 20 (01:24:29):
Yeah, so this is all to talk of Hollywood right
now where I am, and President Trump is weighing in.
Trump met with Netflix CEO Ted Sarandos say in the
Oval office, he's calling him a great man, says that
he could be a good deal, but it might be
too big. But then one of the investment firms now
representing Paramount and their deal, that one's led by Jared
Kushner and by the way, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

(01:24:51):
and Cutter as well. So big money, big political influence,
all the CEOs and getting a lot very close to
the President, knowing that the power that he could have
getting through any antitrust concerns here. But basically Netflix offered
just shy of twenty eight dollars a share, and Warner
Brothers went for that unanimously. The Warner Brothers board said

(01:25:13):
that is the deal. And now Paramount is saying, wait
a second, we offered thirty dollars and nobody got back
to us a better deal, and now they're making a
hostile bid for Warner Brothers.

Speaker 11 (01:25:23):
Meeting.

Speaker 20 (01:25:24):
It appears their board today to maybe even go above
thirty dollars. And today Paramount CEO David Ellison, the Ellison family,
close to the president as well, was on CNBC saying.

Speaker 21 (01:25:33):
Well, we're creating by putting these two companies together.

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
Is a real.

Speaker 22 (01:25:36):
Competitor to Netflix, a real competitor to Amazon, a real
competitor to Disney, not something that is so anti competitive.
There will be no more competition in Hollywood if this
deal is allowed to come to pass.

Speaker 20 (01:25:47):
Now, the Paramount bid would be for Warner Brothers plus
the things that Netflix does not want, HBO, HBO, Max,
CNN film production, some of the film production the Netflix
would not include in their deal. So with Paramount, they
are spending more, but they're getting more and Warner Brothers,
they made that unanimous approval of the Netflix offer. Today

(01:26:09):
they are telling their shareholders it is not changing that
they support the Netflix deal and they want to go Netflix.
A little while ago, Netflix CEO Ted Sarandos, he was
at the UBS Global Media and Communications Conference in New York,
sounding like it's a done deal.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
It's not.

Speaker 20 (01:26:23):
It may end up being Netflix not done yet, but
he's making it sound like it is.

Speaker 21 (01:26:27):
We're going into a deal that we're really excited about.
We think this deal with Warner Brothers is control shareholders.
I think it's good for consumers who think it's good
for creators, but I think it's great for the entertainment
industry as a whole, as we're creating and protecting jobs
and production and guys.

Speaker 20 (01:26:42):
There are a ton of anti trust concerns around the
whole thing of Netflix owned Warner Brothers. Dominic Patton, executive
editor of the Hollywood side Deadline, He says, it's hard
to explain what a big deal this is. The amount
of content, the amount of platforms, the amount of eyeballs
involved in this is megabox. On a mega level, the
Netflix offer would be worth eighty three just shy of

(01:27:03):
eighty three billion dollars. It would be the biggest sale
of a Hollywood Studio. Ever, it would combine Netflix with
the home of DC Studios, with Harry Potter, a lot
of other properties. Put you take Netflix, the biggest streamer
in the country and in the world, with the third
biggest streamer in the country, HBO Max, and you do
have more than fifty one percent of the streaming audience.
So today Warner Brothers is telling shareholders do nothing at

(01:27:25):
this moment, Well, it gets figured out. They're standing behind Netflix,
but Paramount says that Warner Brothers should be theirs because
they have a stronger offer and they would pick up
more of a Warner Brothers is trying to offload here
for HBO and CNN and the studio production. So at
this point it's unclear how it's going to shake out,
but it is. It is a big deal. Whichever way
this goes, this is wow.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
This is head spinning, and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Hollywood would be would be completely different after this. Can
you explain the reason why the lay of the land
is space? Then just spacely would be two major companies.
It would be Netflix and Paramount, and then that's it.

Speaker 20 (01:28:07):
I mean no, you would still have Amazon and Disney
and some others that are out there, but especially if
it were Netflix and Warner Brothers coming together, that would
be monumental, and the size of it paramount a little
less so. But if it's in Netflix and Warner Brothers,
and really here in the industry world of movie making

(01:28:28):
and TV making, you got two different sides. You have
some who are you rooting this on? Saying the money
would it would revitalize the TV and movie industry. Things
would get greenlit that studios aren't paying money for right now.
They think it would be great. You've got another side
saying this would be the worst thing ever, that this
would be a monopoly among all monopolies, where one streaming

(01:28:51):
company owns so much of the content and has rights
to everything and can decide make or break careers by
saying nope, we don't want to do it, and you
have nobody else to know to. So I mean, two
very strong sides here in the Hollywood community, and it's
it's a fight right now. You've got Paramount of Netflix.
Netflix is kind of saying it's ours back off, and

(01:29:12):
Paramount is saying not yet, that they're going to come
and take the deal.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
Very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
I guess is there anything that I mean that Warner
Brothers does particularly well. That makes them such a you
know what I mean, Are they great at this one
thing where the others are or is it just the same.

Speaker 20 (01:29:30):
Well, I mean they've got a lot of content, and
the content is king and all of this. You think
of when Disney, we always have to say the parent
company of the ABC is when they have bought properties
like Marvel and others. They're going for the content and
you Pixar all of that. They're going for the content
and some of the technology as well, but really what
they can put on their services. That's why Netflix doesn't

(01:29:51):
want HBO Max. They don't want the platform. They want
the rights to what Warner Brothers has made. They don't
want CNN. They don't want to run a newsroom and
all of the and the cost of running a news
operation globally. They don't even really want the studio production
because they can do that on their own, but really
most of that they outsourced. They hire production companies to

(01:30:12):
do it. So now that they would own all of
these studios and studio production and everything else, they want
the content. And we're in as paramount is saying no,
we know how to run a news operation. We know
how to run studios, and we do want to do
all of that, and then so their offer is more encompassing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Interesting. Well, we shall see how it all develops. Alex,
we really appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
You got to thank Kas and Jason and other news.
I got a couple license plate stories here for you. Okay,
not know this, but I guess Now in Florida they're
making most license plate frames illegal. Okaym have slipped on
your radar. Florida now prohibits any obstruction of license plates,

(01:30:59):
making a second gree misdemeanor under House Build two fifty
three and Statute three twenty Dash zero sixty one. The
new legislation makes it illegal to block, cover, distort, or
even slightly obscure a Florida license plate, with penalties that
includes sixty days in jail or a five hundred dollars

(01:31:19):
fine for knowing me driving with an obscured plate. So
everybody has a lot of those little frame things and
this and that, and if any of it covers up
a little bit of a number or something, I can
see that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
I mean, there's some of those that are pretty elaborate,
you know, oh yeah, you know, but like Notre Dame
Alum notre you know Ohio State Buckeyes fan, or you
know Ohio State Buckeyes Nay fan, but like, and some
of those can kind of get a little deep and
cover up sometimes definitely cut cover up what state, right
the license plate is, so I can see that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
So, I mean probably most of them are are harmless,
but some of them are trying to obscure your license plate,
whether if you're driving through an area that has tolls
or you know, you know, over the cops that sort
of thing. Which here's another story, and this is in Australia,
but a a motorists used a technique you might see
out of like Double O seven, where he essentially he

(01:32:15):
had a remote controlled plate that folded down and covered
his license plate. So you say, you're getting ready to
go through a toll, he has a little remote control.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
And puts like a fake plate over the real plate.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
I don't even have made a fake. It looks like
it was just like a like a blank just like
a white piece of metal. And well they finally caught
up with it because they're they're pretty smart. But as
he was okay, he passed under a toll alongside of
bright blue Lexus gs, he noticed something was quite right.
The Lexus's license plate appeared blank. This is the cop talking,

(01:32:51):
but Bo. Now the police have finally caught up to him.
Police say the driver was a twenty two year old.
He used a stealth plate curtain to dodge tolls. Now
I've thought about that every time I go through it.
By the way, I think, I think paying a toll
is un American nice man In a way, I would

(01:33:12):
make the argument that you know, our taxes, you know,
if you're using the highway system, then you should pay
into that. But that's what our other taxes are supposed
to be paying for that. All of our other taxes
are supposed to be paying for streets, you know, the roadways, bridges,
all that stuff. But now they added to throw another
tax on top of that. Because our taxes that were

(01:33:33):
supposed to cover are covering fifty different other things, they
shouldn't be covered. Brother, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
You go out like we did this trip out over
the summer, my buddy Lee and I we took our
sons out. We did a baseball trip, went to Baltimore
Camman Yards and went up the Yankee Stadium, then onto
the Fenway Park. So we did three stadiums East Coast
and and you know, so Maryland has a toe just driving,

(01:34:03):
Maryland has a toll, Massachusetts has a toll.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
New York has a toll.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
And then you start getting all those bills because it's
not it's all there's no toll boost. So then you
start getting those because they just take a picture of
license plate. And then I made the mistake of like
just being I'll pay those when I get to them, oh, no,
thirty days, and that thing goes up. Well, I end
up paying dog gone. I bet I end up paying
well over one hundred I think it was like one

(01:34:28):
hundred and twenty bucks total because I let them all
like I didn't realize they they penalized you that quick,
like yeah, fine or whatever.

Speaker 7 (01:34:39):
I'm like, but just.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
Alone though, I'm like, good lord, I mean, imagine how
much money they're making with all those especially that's such
a heavily populated area of the country. It's like, where's
the money going now? I will say, like Maryland's Maryland's
highways were smooth.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
There's a baby's bind. I mean those things were smoo
but I mean come and and then and again again.
That's great, but that that's what all the other taxes
we pay I think should be going to agreed? I
mean we're already paying a state gas tax, a federal
gas tax. Yeah, what other gas tax or what other

(01:35:17):
taxes are we paying? I'm sure California has even a
local gas tax, Sure, a neighborhood gas tax. I'm a
i'm a. I'm of the opinion your tax should go
to roads, clean water, in a military.

Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
If you can privatize any of those. I'm mom up
for listening. That's what your tax should go to. Roads, military?

Speaker 7 (01:35:44):
And what was the other one?

Speaker 4 (01:35:45):
I said?

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
Clean water? I throw police and fire in there.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
Well, that's what I mean by military police fire.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
That's yeah, the safety aspect of Yeah, we should go
to cops, firefighters, paramedics in the military.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
But never all be driving on smooth streets and highways
all over this country and.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
We wouldn't have to use license plate covers like these
guys say or down in Florida, I mean remote control.
Come on, you decided to try that? All right, let's
go ahead ject some trafficking weather.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
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