December 10, 2025 • 25 mins
Bloomberg Report. Thom Brennaman talks about data centers with Gregg Stebben. Pastor Chad talks about where your money goes when you donate to your church.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
WLW.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
All right, we say good morning once more to Dan
Schwartzman from the Bloomberg news room in New York City.
SpaceX looking to go public Dan.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
That's right, Tom.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
They're moving forward with plans for initial public offering that
will look to raise much more than thirty billion dollars,
which would make it the biggest listing of all time.
The company's targeting evaluation check this out around one and
a half trillion dollars and is pursuing a listing as
soon as mid to late twenty twenty six. The Elon
Musk run company expects to use some of the funds
raised in an IPO to develop space based data centers.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
They do that because it's closer to the sun. They
can use the heat from the sun to power those
data centers.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
So well, he's on his way to becoming a trillionaire
with this if that happens.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Okay, Meanwhile, Cracker Barrel, we know that whole story and
what's going on over the last seven months to a
year and apparently continuing to struggle.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Yeah, that's right. You know about the whole logo controversy
that happened. Things aren't getting better. The restaurant chain now
expect sales to fall faster than at previously forecasts this
fiscal year. The latest issue for Cracker Barell is growing
dissatisfaction with the food. The Wall Street Journal reporting customer
complaints about the food or rising. Company stock has declined
nearly fifty percent so far this year.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Through Tuesday's close. All right in the future is this morning,
Dan Schwartzman.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Still in the red.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
My friend the down SMB down at ten to one
percent in NAAZAC again faring the worst down two tens
to one percent from Bloomberg. Dan Schwartzman on news Radio
seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Well, our get together every single week with our friend
Greg is Steven.
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Speaker 2 (01:40):
Greg gr egg Steven ste b b e N or
you can just you know, check him out and see
what he has to say and thinks about things, because
it's always fascinating our business insider Greg Stebbin. Okay, now
we've been talking a lot about AI, but this week
we're gonna shift gears a little bit and talk about
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the quote unquote secret AI economy and how literally anyone
can take advantage of it. Let's start Greg with data centers.
They are being built all over the United States right now,
aren't they?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yes, they are?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And why because AI means lot of data and so
there are.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
I mean, nobody's nobody's exactly.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Sure why there's all these data centers getting built. But
there's probably a couple thousand being built right now. And
so who's building those well, plettricians and plumbers and contract carpenters,
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and you know, there's a how many how many people
does it take to build a data center?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I want to guess, Oh, it's more than that, no doubta.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But because they're huge, I mean you're talking about you
especially from a power and grid standpoint, These things are enormous, yes, exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
So the point is there's tons of jobs.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
And this is the part I love.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
There's tons of jobs for people who, if they want,
never have to use AI in their life. These are
AI jobs that have no need for AI. You have
to be a crafts person, a tradesperson. And so that's
what I'm calling the secret AI economy. But it doesn't
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end there because who's making lunch for all those people?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Who's doing all the hiring for all those people, who's
doing the hr who's the project managers for all those projects,
who's you know, there's tons of opportunity around AI. And
now if you're a little skeptical, you might say, yeah,
but I mean in a couple of years, they'll get
all those dataseters done, or at least it'll slow down
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because they'll mostly get all the data center's.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Done they need. Well maybe, but you know what else,
there's going to be a need for ongoingly power grid YEP,
power plant.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, that's the one that's hitting right now the most
pub that area right there, Because say you're going into
some slightly rural area outside of a major metropolitan let's
say city, right, not New York or LA because they're
just so big and so spread out. But to you
Cincinnati as an example, right, there was a big concern
and there still is a big concern about building a
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data center and then how that is going to affect
from a power standpoint the people that live in and
around those areas.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
That's right, And the cost of the power yep, and
so how do you make sure that there's enough power
and the cost doesn't go up. Well, somehow you have
to take the cost of the power and put it
on the backs of the companies that need it, and
that's probably going to translate into we need more power
plants or new ways of you know, lots of other
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power plants, solar wind, however you can cracking, however you
can get it, you're going to have to get it,
and that's going to translate into even more jobs. And again,
those are mostly going to be jobs for people who
if they never want to use AI in their life,
they don't have to. Yeah, well we're not either AI
jobs without AI.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That's exactly right. That's why we're talking about the secret economy.
I mean, think about one of those data centers. Okay,
you were talking about, you know, the construction of it
and everything from the HR to the project managers, custodial
workers and so forth. But think about, let's say, the
roads that need to be built perhaps to get into
these places. Right, I mean, we are talking about good
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paying jobs here, We're not talking about just chicken scratch.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Well, right, And so then if you begin to investigate
what people who are doing those jobs now are saying about,
A it's a great place to move up. So if
you already have experience in the trades, it's a good
way to move up into managing or overseeing projects, so
maybe your salary doubles from what you were making before.
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And even if you're just getting into the trades, even
if you're an intern or you know, whatever the path
is to the trade that you're interested.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
In, journeymen or what have you.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
These jobs are paying sometimes twenty or thirty percent more
than they did a year or so ago.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
So this is literally a gold rush.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
But I'm like the gold rush of California, there's a
company behind you who's going to pay you every week.
With the gold rush in California, if you didn't find gold,
you didn't get anything. These are good, guaranteed jobs with
health care and everything else, because there's also.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Unions involved and all of that.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Of course, Now, now what about let's say you're a
local business person or a local businessess or an entrepreneur.
What kind of opportunities do you suspect would open up
to those like minded people.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Well, let's take those separately.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I think if you already have a local business, there's
no way you're not going to be impacted if there's
something new being planned for your community, or you have
already been impacted if it's happening, and so it doesn't
matter what business you're in when you think about it,
more people with more money, more spending, and more demand.
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So you know, I mentioned lunch earlier, So if you're
a restaurant, there's going to be more people out eating,
particularly during the day, but also at night because people
who are making money like you, go out at night.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
If you own a shoe store, these people need boots.
And yeah, you can.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Say, well, they're going to order them from Amazon, but
you know, I like to walk in and try a
pair of boots on before I buy them, especially when
I'm working all day and standing or moving around on
my feet.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Drug stores, realtors.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I mean, it's hard to imagine a business or a
profession that isn't impacted now or will be impacted by
this kind of boom.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It's really incredible when you and we've only i mean,
we've only scratched a surface on some of the business
opportunities there could be out there. I mean, you mentioned
being a realtor. You know, you may not be the
person that's building the grid right or building this data center,
but those people when they come in to work there,
they need somewhere. As you said, to live. Okay, so
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maybe you're a construction company.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Did get that.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Job right, So maybe now you go buy a piece
of land and you put four or five houses, or
you put two hundred apartment rental units there, and next
thing you know, you're rolling it.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Well and I hadn't even thought of this until you
just said that, But begin to think about just in
real estate down's dream. Maybe you're not even working as
a plum or an electrician on the data center. Maybe
you're working as a plumber or an electrician.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
On the new house.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That's what I mean, That's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yes, yeah, so it's it's it's this huge trickle down
economy because of AI that has nothing to do with AI.
And then you asked about entrepreneurs. Well again, new people existing,
people with money. Money in the economy just creates opportunities.
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And you know, the first thing I thought of dog walkers.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I mean, it's it's, it's it's it's one example of
you know, people who are working hard all day on
a construction site are probably not going home to walk
their dogs. Air and runners mobile, car wash mobile, oil
chains mobile, dry cleaner mobile. Just again, your town is
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going to boom. There's going to be lots of opportunity.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
All you have to do is look.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And you're not near a data center right now, but
you might look on the map and figure out where
the closest one is and go visit there and say,
if you're interested in starting a business, what's missing here
that I can provide? Yeah, because that is what happened
during the gold rush in California is some.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
People made money in the field.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Most people that got ritz stayed in town and sold
them seems like Levi Strauss.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Or other things like that.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
So you can capitalize on the AI boom and never
touch AI.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That's why I love these get togethers every week, Greg,
because when you said dog walkers, good lord, I got
to go out and walk mine here in a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
It's about ten degrees here, so thanks for reminding me.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
All right, Well, if you have a great rest of
your day, Thanks as always for your time, my friend.
Call it plain Glass, Stained Glass with Pastor Chad Hoven
from the Horizon Community Church right there in New Town,
beautiful beautiful place. Our family goes there and it's right
on the banks of a little Miami River.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Pastor Chad, Good morning. How's everything with you today?
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Good morning, full of rainy, but otherwise doing well.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Good to hear, Good to hear.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You and I were texting back and forth last night,
and you know, I got to thinking because I had
read a story about giving money to the church, whatever
church it might be, whether it's a Christian church, a
Catholic church, even a Jewish synagogue, And the amount of
money that people donate to churches is staggering. It's in
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the hundreds of billions of dollars per year. And I
thought to myself, you know, some people, I think get
turned off when churches ask for money. But the bottom
line is, you know that money is going to a
lot of wonderful sort of branches off of the church.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Walk me through if you would.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And I know you can't speak to every church, but
when people people give their money to a church, what
should they know?
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Well, first of all, I'd say that when you give
money to a church, the people who give to churches
are also some most generous people to non religious causes
as well. So if you just like generous people who
are giving to the arts, giving to homeless centers, giving
to all the things that make a city run well.
There's huge stats that show that people who give to
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religious organizations are equally generous to non religious purposes. So
if you just love generosity and you love generous people,
you would love that the church is trying to encourage
people to live generous lives. I think a lot of
people have heard me kind of guilt based system or
fear based system for giving. The Bible doesn't encourage at all.
It encourages a cheerful giving, the purposeful giving.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Man.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
I love what God's doing in me. I love how
my church is helping me become a better person, and
I want other people to taste what I have. I mean,
God doesn't want something from you, He wants some thing
for you. He wants you to be thankful, hopeful, grateful,
and generous.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
People are purposeful people.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
They're thankful. But I think to kind of where the
money goes. You can't start with what the church supposed
to do. Well, A church, whatever it's called, is supposed
to help you worship God, which is kind of an
ambiguous term the word worship. Think, but like worthship, you're
trying to way things properly, give worth to things. I
want to see wisdom as wise. I want to see
God as wise. I want to see his creating as wise.
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I want to know how to handle my life. And
the Bible's one thing a church should be doing is
teaching you how to understand the Bible. And the Bible
has two main purposes, one of which is to mature
you in your love of God and love of others.
And so you'd say, hey, is my church helping me
and other people love God and love others better?
Speaker 5 (13:47):
But also equip you for life? And so they should
help you with the people.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Having trouble with finances, how to teach you how to
handle your finances better. If people in their marriage having struggle, well,
I'm seeing people as marriage seminars and people learning how
to be happier in their marriage. You're taking kids, and
kids are being a priority. We're seeing them really developed
this value system that they'll never recover from in a
good way. Man, I just realize that God is good,
and I am special, I am loved, and I make mistakes,
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but I know.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
How to forgive.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
You also want to your church to facilitate. If you
think about facilities, sometimes people are hard on facilities. We
shouldn't spend so much on facilities, and yet if you
look at our culture, you know we spend enormous amount
of moneys on banks and malls, and suddenly people get
real stingy when it comes to a church. But the
real issue is, is that thing facilitating the things I
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talked about, you know, is that facility, whatever company it is,
whatever business.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
It is facilitating those good things.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Our marriage is getting stronger, people finding purpose of the
first time. Are you escorting people through pivotal moments in
life and funerals where you have somebody who's guiding you
through comfort and hope and knowing how to have these
precious moments with your family, and escorting people into eternity.
I could go on and on, but those are just
a few things that money should be spent on. And
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I think as you're thinking about your own giving, you
want to say, hey, I want to give wisely and
I want to make sure that what I'm giving to
there's accountability. So once that's look around, do you see
those kind of priorities happening around you? And you say, man,
I'm feeling good about what's happening in me when I attend,
and I'm feeling good about what's happening to other people
when I invite them.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
You know, at your church.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
But before I get to this for a second too,
I mean, look, you're not in this occupation to work
for free. You have your own family, You have three kids,
one's a special needs child, and and so look, you know,
you've got to make a living. And I don't think anybody, anybody,
no matter whether you're a spiritual person or not, has
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any problem with some of that money going to pay
for the salaries of the pastor the assistant pastor the
people that work in the offices of the church and
doing church business every single day. So look, that certainly
is completely understandable. Here here's a question I have for you.
And I'm curious how Horizon Community Church came to this decision.
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And you know, compare to let's say others. Let's use
a Catholic church as an example. And you know, you
go to or any other church. It could be a
Protestant church, and you know, halfway through the service they're
passing around a plate for people to give donations. You
do not do that at your church. What was the
thinking behind that decision?
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Yeah, we made that.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Decision about ten years ago and honestly is when we
went from two to three services, and people really like
their time slots when they have their time slots, and
so we're trying to fit three services in between eight
thirty and twelve o'clock, and because of that, we only
had a ten minute turnaround between services, and so we
wanted to say, hey, giving is worship, and doing an
offertory is worship if traditional terms, nothing wrong with having
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a weekly offering that reminds people that they're worshiping through
their money. So it's very much a spiritual thing to do.
But we said, hey, if we only have limited time,
we need to focus on the things. What are the
big things, big priorities? And we thought the most important
thing at our church was number one, an expressive time
of prayer and adoration through music through our worship music.
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And the second thing was a real deep, engaging Bible
study for our equipping service. And then we kind of
cut out announcements, which was taking a whole bunch of time,
and so we cut that down to a minute, and
we cut the offering out and we just said, you know,
we're just going to talk about financial giving whenever the
Bible brings it up, and when it comes up, we're
going to talk about it directly and again talk.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
About the joy of giving.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
I get a buddy mine that helps manage a whole
bunch of people's very wealthy portfolios. And he said, man Chad,
sometimes people, no matter how many zeros are next to
their savings account, they still don't think it's enough to
start giving in a significant way. He said, in as
a financial giver myself, they don't really are just robbing themselves.
They're just not experiencing the joy I've had of giving.
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So we do as we say, Hey, we're going to
talk about giving when the Bible talks about it.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
We're going to talk about.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
The exciting things that we see happening in our own
lives and in the church around us. And obviously people
are smart they know that like facilities facilitate stuff, you
also need people in any business facilitate stuff. But also
if you really come in contact with a good movie,
with a good business, with a good you go to
a Reds game, buy a ticket for a football game,
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you recognize that excellence inspires people and honors God. And
so we honestly just try and do things great every week.
That really is an add value to you and your family,
and you're like, man, you know what. I know that
good things and excellent things.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Are costly, and that's a good thing.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
So I want to, you know, pay for my own
spiritual education, so to speak, and not just for my own,
but I hope my neighbor, my friend, and the people
sitting next to me and for us. We're just exploding
with growth thirteen percent and growth just last year, and
we just love that people are coming. They kind of
get that sense of wow. One of the number one
obstacles people have to faith is they feel like it's
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all about the money. We're not ashamed about talking about money.
We think it's important to learn about it. But we're
also not going to make that our lead suit because
sometimes it can be an obstacle to people misunderstanding your priorities.
So we kind of make it the subordinate suit.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Does it make it hard for you sometimes in your
role as a pastor? Look, it doesn't matter what the
business is, and the church has business, I mean that's
a fact. But does it make it hard for you
when all of a sudden, like any business, you're going
to have the quote unquote bad apple right where maybe
it's a televangelist who rakes in all this money. Next
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thing you know, they've run off to Mexico with fifty
million dollars of people. Who does it make it hard
for you when things like that happen, It has to, right, Well, yeah, we.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Talked about the last week with caricatures. I think a
lot times a caricatures of Christianity, and some of those
are true. Right, There's how many people just their spiritual
journeys affected by Hey, I had a priest or pastor
growing up who ran away with the secretary.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
And now I think all Christians are diyppocrits.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
And you know, we sometimes apply that to faith in
a way would apply to other things. In other words,
if you said, hey, I knew a dentist growing up
who had an affair, I'm not going to believe the
dentists anymore, he said, just because the dentists.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Of the doctor.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
It is like it's a unique thing.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
We did this occupation, which.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Is that we don't realize that all humans are flawed
and broken.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
So I think that is the case.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I also think that, you know, there's a lot of
manipulation goes on in different areas, and I certainly think
the church has been very guilty of manipulation.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
And like I said, that guilt.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Giving and that fear giving, and that you know, put
your hand on the screen and send me.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
A vow of faith.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
And if your approach to money is somehow some person
of faith tells you that you can manipulate God by giving,
and then you He's going to be forced to do something.
I mean that that is not worship. That is you
trying to use God for your own purposes instead of saying, boy, King,
your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth, is
in heaven. But the truth is people who follow God's
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wisdom for money, they are often wealthier. John Wesley used
to say, when you get God's wisdom for money, you
make a lot, you save a lot, and you give
a lot. So actually orienting yourself around God, not as
it fill you with hope and joy and peace and gratefulness,
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you get to accomplish great things, but also at orient
your heart in such a way that you're able to
enjoy more of what you have. We also, as a church,
you know, create environments for people to go and serve
the poor. In many ways, We're done and happy church
of that Maalaytia City Gospel Mission, believe medical trips, and
when you put people in those environments, the first thing
they always occur, they go, Man, as much as I have,
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whether you're middle class or upper class in America, you're
are the richest in the world in history. You're thinking
to yourself, these poor people than me, they are able
to have more contentment and enjoy with what little they
have than I have and how much I have. It's
kind of reminds you that, man, I priant my heart.
It doesn't matter what number. People always think there's a
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number that's going to make them happy, a certain number
of salary, certain number of savings, account, certain number of whatever.
You are so much more complicated than a number. You
can't be reduced to a number. And just all you
have to do is the minute you accomplish that number,
your five year goal, your ten year gold and you're like, well,
maybe a little bit more. I need my heart oriented
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so I can enjoy whatever I have. I want to
enjoy it when I'm making X number or two X number,
I want to give what I'm giving X number. And
sometimes the more money you make, the less you give,
which is why I always encourage folks kind of think
about giving. Three ways the three p's I could talk
about it. Are you giving to God's pee priorities?
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Number two?
Speaker 6 (22:54):
Are you becoming progressively more generous each year?
Speaker 4 (22:57):
And three?
Speaker 6 (22:58):
If you've never tried it, move from kind of a
tip to God to a percentage giving. You have to
jump to ten percent or maybe even get to ten
percent ever, but just start giving a percentage of your income,
even one percent. What happens when you write that check
or when you give that amount, It kind of reminds
you this is a small percent of how much God
has given me. It kind of reorged you to think about, man,
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have I been given a lot?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Man?
Speaker 6 (23:21):
I I've been entrusted a lot. It kind of reorms
you to really appreciate who's given it to you and
how you've been entrusted to use it.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Fascinating conversation, Chad, Thank you so much. Hope you have
a great rest of your day, great weekend, and we'll
catch up again next week. My friend, sound good astor
Chad Holden from the Horizon Community Church. All right, let's
check the roadways one more time before we get out
of here.
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Temperatures will start to plummet as the afternoon goes on.
We're down to twenty six tonight, hit or miss as
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Tomorrow we're dry, cloudy to start the day, and then
snow tomorrow night. We are looking at anywhere from two
to four inches of snow predict did overnight tomorrow night.
Then on Friday, gonna be cold, high of thirty four,
same thing on Saturday and Sunday, and we're looking for
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more snow over the weekend. So lots of the white
stuff is a coming. Try to remind you each and
every day, why not go get a shelter pet. They
could use a home for the holidays, and believe me,
you'll be glad you did it. Go to your local
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Schwartzman from the Bloomberg news room in New York City.
SpaceX looking to go public Dan.
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That's right, Tom.
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They're moving forward with plans for initial public offering that
will look to raise much more than thirty billion dollars,
which would make it the biggest listing of all time.
The company's targeting evaluation check this out around one and
a half trillion dollars and is pursuing a listing as
soon as mid to late twenty twenty six. The Elon
Musk run company expects to use some of the funds
raised in an IPO to develop space based data centers.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
They do that because it's closer to the sun. They
can use the heat from the sun to power those
data centers.
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So well, he's on his way to becoming a trillionaire
with this if that happens.
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Wow.
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Okay, Meanwhile, Cracker Barrel, we know that whole story and
what's going on over the last seven months to a
year and apparently continuing to struggle.
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Yeah, that's right. You know about the whole logo controversy
that happened. Things aren't getting better. The restaurant chain now
expect sales to fall faster than at previously forecasts this
fiscal year. The latest issue for Cracker Barell is growing
dissatisfaction with the food. The Wall Street Journal reporting customer
complaints about the food or rising. Company stock has declined
nearly fifty percent so far this year.
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Through Tuesday's close. All right in the future is this morning,
Dan Schwartzman.
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Still in the red.
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My friend the down SMB down at ten to one
percent in NAAZAC again faring the worst down two tens
to one percent from Bloomberg. Dan Schwartzman on news Radio
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Well, our get together every single week with our friend
Greg is Steven.
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you can just you know, check him out and see
what he has to say and thinks about things, because
it's always fascinating our business insider Greg Stebbin. Okay, now
we've been talking a lot about AI, but this week
we're gonna shift gears a little bit and talk about
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the quote unquote secret AI economy and how literally anyone
can take advantage of it. Let's start Greg with data centers.
They are being built all over the United States right now,
aren't they?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yes, they are?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
And why because AI means lot of data and so
there are.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
I mean, nobody's nobody's exactly.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Sure why there's all these data centers getting built. But
there's probably a couple thousand being built right now. And
so who's building those well, plettricians and plumbers and contract carpenters,
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and you know, there's a how many how many people
does it take to build a data center?
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I want to guess, Oh, it's more than that, no doubta.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But because they're huge, I mean you're talking about you
especially from a power and grid standpoint, These things are enormous, yes, exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
So the point is there's tons of jobs.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
And this is the part I love.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
There's tons of jobs for people who, if they want,
never have to use AI in their life. These are
AI jobs that have no need for AI. You have
to be a crafts person, a tradesperson. And so that's
what I'm calling the secret AI economy. But it doesn't
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end there because who's making lunch for all those people?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yep?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Who's doing all the hiring for all those people, who's
doing the hr who's the project managers for all those projects,
who's you know, there's tons of opportunity around AI. And
now if you're a little skeptical, you might say, yeah,
but I mean in a couple of years, they'll get
all those dataseters done, or at least it'll slow down
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because they'll mostly get all the data center's.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
Done they need. Well maybe, but you know what else,
there's going to be a need for ongoingly power grid YEP,
power plant.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Well, that's the one that's hitting right now the most
pub that area right there, Because say you're going into
some slightly rural area outside of a major metropolitan let's
say city, right, not New York or LA because they're
just so big and so spread out. But to you
Cincinnati as an example, right, there was a big concern
and there still is a big concern about building a
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data center and then how that is going to affect
from a power standpoint the people that live in and
around those areas.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
That's right, And the cost of the power yep, and
so how do you make sure that there's enough power
and the cost doesn't go up. Well, somehow you have
to take the cost of the power and put it
on the backs of the companies that need it, and
that's probably going to translate into we need more power
plants or new ways of you know, lots of other
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power plants, solar wind, however you can cracking, however you
can get it, you're going to have to get it,
and that's going to translate into even more jobs. And again,
those are mostly going to be jobs for people who
if they never want to use AI in their life,
they don't have to. Yeah, well we're not either AI
jobs without AI.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That's exactly right. That's why we're talking about the secret economy.
I mean, think about one of those data centers. Okay,
you were talking about, you know, the construction of it
and everything from the HR to the project managers, custodial
workers and so forth. But think about, let's say, the
roads that need to be built perhaps to get into
these places. Right, I mean, we are talking about good
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paying jobs here, We're not talking about just chicken scratch.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Well, right, And so then if you begin to investigate
what people who are doing those jobs now are saying about,
A it's a great place to move up. So if
you already have experience in the trades, it's a good
way to move up into managing or overseeing projects, so
maybe your salary doubles from what you were making before.
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And even if you're just getting into the trades, even
if you're an intern or you know, whatever the path
is to the trade that you're interested.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
In, journeymen or what have you.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
These jobs are paying sometimes twenty or thirty percent more
than they did a year or so ago.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
So this is literally a gold rush.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
But I'm like the gold rush of California, there's a
company behind you who's going to pay you every week.
With the gold rush in California, if you didn't find gold,
you didn't get anything. These are good, guaranteed jobs with
health care and everything else, because there's also.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Unions involved and all of that.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Of course, Now, now what about let's say you're a
local business person or a local businessess or an entrepreneur.
What kind of opportunities do you suspect would open up
to those like minded people.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Well, let's take those separately.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I think if you already have a local business, there's
no way you're not going to be impacted if there's
something new being planned for your community, or you have
already been impacted if it's happening, and so it doesn't
matter what business you're in when you think about it,
more people with more money, more spending, and more demand.
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So you know, I mentioned lunch earlier, So if you're
a restaurant, there's going to be more people out eating,
particularly during the day, but also at night because people
who are making money like you, go out at night.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
If you own a shoe store, these people need boots.
And yeah, you can.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Say, well, they're going to order them from Amazon, but
you know, I like to walk in and try a
pair of boots on before I buy them, especially when
I'm working all day and standing or moving around on
my feet.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Drug stores, realtors.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I mean, it's hard to imagine a business or a
profession that isn't impacted now or will be impacted by
this kind of boom.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It's really incredible when you and we've only i mean,
we've only scratched a surface on some of the business
opportunities there could be out there. I mean, you mentioned
being a realtor. You know, you may not be the
person that's building the grid right or building this data center,
but those people when they come in to work there,
they need somewhere. As you said, to live. Okay, so
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maybe you're a construction company.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
Did get that.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Job right, So maybe now you go buy a piece
of land and you put four or five houses, or
you put two hundred apartment rental units there, and next
thing you know, you're rolling it.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Well and I hadn't even thought of this until you
just said that, But begin to think about just in
real estate down's dream. Maybe you're not even working as
a plum or an electrician on the data center. Maybe
you're working as a plumber or an electrician.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
On the new house.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That's what I mean, That's what I mean.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yes, yeah, so it's it's it's this huge trickle down
economy because of AI that has nothing to do with AI.
And then you asked about entrepreneurs. Well again, new people existing,
people with money. Money in the economy just creates opportunities.
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And you know, the first thing I thought of dog walkers.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I mean, it's it's, it's it's it's one example of
you know, people who are working hard all day on
a construction site are probably not going home to walk
their dogs. Air and runners mobile, car wash mobile, oil
chains mobile, dry cleaner mobile. Just again, your town is
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going to boom. There's going to be lots of opportunity.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
All you have to do is look.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
And you're not near a data center right now, but
you might look on the map and figure out where
the closest one is and go visit there and say,
if you're interested in starting a business, what's missing here
that I can provide? Yeah, because that is what happened
during the gold rush in California is some.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
People made money in the field.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Most people that got ritz stayed in town and sold
them seems like Levi Strauss.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Or other things like that.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
So you can capitalize on the AI boom and never
touch AI.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That's why I love these get togethers every week, Greg,
because when you said dog walkers, good lord, I got
to go out and walk mine here in a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
It's about ten degrees here, so thanks for reminding me.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
All right, Well, if you have a great rest of
your day, Thanks as always for your time, my friend.
Call it plain Glass, Stained Glass with Pastor Chad Hoven
from the Horizon Community Church right there in New Town,
beautiful beautiful place. Our family goes there and it's right
on the banks of a little Miami River.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Pastor Chad, Good morning. How's everything with you today?
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Good morning, full of rainy, but otherwise doing well.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Good to hear, Good to hear.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
You and I were texting back and forth last night,
and you know, I got to thinking because I had
read a story about giving money to the church, whatever
church it might be, whether it's a Christian church, a
Catholic church, even a Jewish synagogue, And the amount of
money that people donate to churches is staggering. It's in
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the hundreds of billions of dollars per year. And I
thought to myself, you know, some people, I think get
turned off when churches ask for money. But the bottom
line is, you know that money is going to a
lot of wonderful sort of branches off of the church.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Walk me through if you would.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And I know you can't speak to every church, but
when people people give their money to a church, what
should they know?
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Well, first of all, I'd say that when you give
money to a church, the people who give to churches
are also some most generous people to non religious causes
as well. So if you just like generous people who
are giving to the arts, giving to homeless centers, giving
to all the things that make a city run well.
There's huge stats that show that people who give to
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religious organizations are equally generous to non religious purposes. So
if you just love generosity and you love generous people,
you would love that the church is trying to encourage
people to live generous lives. I think a lot of
people have heard me kind of guilt based system or
fear based system for giving. The Bible doesn't encourage at all.
It encourages a cheerful giving, the purposeful giving.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Man.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
I love what God's doing in me. I love how
my church is helping me become a better person, and
I want other people to taste what I have. I mean,
God doesn't want something from you, He wants some thing
for you. He wants you to be thankful, hopeful, grateful,
and generous.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
People are purposeful people.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
They're thankful. But I think to kind of where the
money goes. You can't start with what the church supposed
to do. Well, A church, whatever it's called, is supposed
to help you worship God, which is kind of an
ambiguous term the word worship. Think, but like worthship, you're
trying to way things properly, give worth to things. I
want to see wisdom as wise. I want to see
God as wise. I want to see his creating as wise.
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I want to know how to handle my life. And
the Bible's one thing a church should be doing is
teaching you how to understand the Bible. And the Bible
has two main purposes, one of which is to mature
you in your love of God and love of others.
And so you'd say, hey, is my church helping me
and other people love God and love others better?
Speaker 5 (13:47):
But also equip you for life? And so they should
help you with the people.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Having trouble with finances, how to teach you how to
handle your finances better. If people in their marriage having struggle, well,
I'm seeing people as marriage seminars and people learning how
to be happier in their marriage. You're taking kids, and
kids are being a priority. We're seeing them really developed
this value system that they'll never recover from in a
good way. Man, I just realize that God is good,
and I am special, I am loved, and I make mistakes,
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but I know.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
How to forgive.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
You also want to your church to facilitate. If you
think about facilities, sometimes people are hard on facilities. We
shouldn't spend so much on facilities, and yet if you
look at our culture, you know we spend enormous amount
of moneys on banks and malls, and suddenly people get
real stingy when it comes to a church. But the
real issue is, is that thing facilitating the things I
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talked about, you know, is that facility, whatever company it is,
whatever business.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
It is facilitating those good things.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Our marriage is getting stronger, people finding purpose of the
first time. Are you escorting people through pivotal moments in
life and funerals where you have somebody who's guiding you
through comfort and hope and knowing how to have these
precious moments with your family, and escorting people into eternity.
I could go on and on, but those are just
a few things that money should be spent on. And
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I think as you're thinking about your own giving, you
want to say, hey, I want to give wisely and
I want to make sure that what I'm giving to
there's accountability. So once that's look around, do you see
those kind of priorities happening around you? And you say, man,
I'm feeling good about what's happening in me when I attend,
and I'm feeling good about what's happening to other people
when I invite them.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
You know, at your church.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
But before I get to this for a second too,
I mean, look, you're not in this occupation to work
for free. You have your own family, You have three kids,
one's a special needs child, and and so look, you know,
you've got to make a living. And I don't think anybody, anybody,
no matter whether you're a spiritual person or not, has
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any problem with some of that money going to pay
for the salaries of the pastor the assistant pastor the
people that work in the offices of the church and
doing church business every single day. So look, that certainly
is completely understandable. Here here's a question I have for you.
And I'm curious how Horizon Community Church came to this decision.
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And you know, compare to let's say others. Let's use
a Catholic church as an example. And you know, you
go to or any other church. It could be a
Protestant church, and you know, halfway through the service they're
passing around a plate for people to give donations. You
do not do that at your church. What was the
thinking behind that decision?
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Yeah, we made that.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Decision about ten years ago and honestly is when we
went from two to three services, and people really like
their time slots when they have their time slots, and
so we're trying to fit three services in between eight
thirty and twelve o'clock, and because of that, we only
had a ten minute turnaround between services, and so we
wanted to say, hey, giving is worship, and doing an
offertory is worship if traditional terms, nothing wrong with having
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a weekly offering that reminds people that they're worshiping through
their money. So it's very much a spiritual thing to do.
But we said, hey, if we only have limited time,
we need to focus on the things. What are the
big things, big priorities? And we thought the most important
thing at our church was number one, an expressive time
of prayer and adoration through music through our worship music.
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And the second thing was a real deep, engaging Bible
study for our equipping service. And then we kind of
cut out announcements, which was taking a whole bunch of time,
and so we cut that down to a minute, and
we cut the offering out and we just said, you know,
we're just going to talk about financial giving whenever the
Bible brings it up, and when it comes up, we're
going to talk about it directly and again talk.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
About the joy of giving.
Speaker 6 (17:43):
I get a buddy mine that helps manage a whole
bunch of people's very wealthy portfolios. And he said, man Chad,
sometimes people, no matter how many zeros are next to
their savings account, they still don't think it's enough to
start giving in a significant way. He said, in as
a financial giver myself, they don't really are just robbing themselves.
They're just not experiencing the joy I've had of giving.
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So we do as we say, Hey, we're going to
talk about giving when the Bible talks about it.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
We're going to talk about.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
The exciting things that we see happening in our own
lives and in the church around us. And obviously people
are smart they know that like facilities facilitate stuff, you
also need people in any business facilitate stuff. But also
if you really come in contact with a good movie,
with a good business, with a good you go to
a Reds game, buy a ticket for a football game,
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you recognize that excellence inspires people and honors God. And
so we honestly just try and do things great every week.
That really is an add value to you and your family,
and you're like, man, you know what. I know that
good things and excellent things.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
Are costly, and that's a good thing.
Speaker 6 (18:48):
So I want to, you know, pay for my own
spiritual education, so to speak, and not just for my own,
but I hope my neighbor, my friend, and the people
sitting next to me and for us. We're just exploding
with growth thirteen percent and growth just last year, and
we just love that people are coming. They kind of
get that sense of wow. One of the number one
obstacles people have to faith is they feel like it's
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all about the money. We're not ashamed about talking about money.
We think it's important to learn about it. But we're
also not going to make that our lead suit because
sometimes it can be an obstacle to people misunderstanding your priorities.
So we kind of make it the subordinate suit.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Does it make it hard for you sometimes in your
role as a pastor? Look, it doesn't matter what the
business is, and the church has business, I mean that's
a fact. But does it make it hard for you
when all of a sudden, like any business, you're going
to have the quote unquote bad apple right where maybe
it's a televangelist who rakes in all this money. Next
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thing you know, they've run off to Mexico with fifty
million dollars of people. Who does it make it hard
for you when things like that happen, It has to, right, Well, yeah, we.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
Talked about the last week with caricatures. I think a
lot times a caricatures of Christianity, and some of those
are true. Right, There's how many people just their spiritual
journeys affected by Hey, I had a priest or pastor
growing up who ran away with the secretary.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
And now I think all Christians are diyppocrits.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
And you know, we sometimes apply that to faith in
a way would apply to other things. In other words,
if you said, hey, I knew a dentist growing up
who had an affair, I'm not going to believe the
dentists anymore, he said, just because the dentists.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Of the doctor.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
It is like it's a unique thing.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
We did this occupation, which.
Speaker 6 (20:29):
Is that we don't realize that all humans are flawed
and broken.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
So I think that is the case.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
I also think that, you know, there's a lot of
manipulation goes on in different areas, and I certainly think
the church has been very guilty of manipulation.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
And like I said, that guilt.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Giving and that fear giving, and that you know, put
your hand on the screen and send me.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
A vow of faith.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
And if your approach to money is somehow some person
of faith tells you that you can manipulate God by giving,
and then you He's going to be forced to do something.
I mean that that is not worship. That is you
trying to use God for your own purposes instead of saying, boy, King,
your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth, is
in heaven. But the truth is people who follow God's
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wisdom for money, they are often wealthier. John Wesley used
to say, when you get God's wisdom for money, you
make a lot, you save a lot, and you give
a lot. So actually orienting yourself around God, not as
it fill you with hope and joy and peace and gratefulness,
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you get to accomplish great things, but also at orient
your heart in such a way that you're able to
enjoy more of what you have. We also, as a church,
you know, create environments for people to go and serve
the poor. In many ways, We're done and happy church
of that Maalaytia City Gospel Mission, believe medical trips, and
when you put people in those environments, the first thing
they always occur, they go, Man, as much as I have,
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whether you're middle class or upper class in America, you're
are the richest in the world in history. You're thinking
to yourself, these poor people than me, they are able
to have more contentment and enjoy with what little they
have than I have and how much I have. It's
kind of reminds you that, man, I priant my heart.
It doesn't matter what number. People always think there's a
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number that's going to make them happy, a certain number
of salary, certain number of savings, account, certain number of whatever.
You are so much more complicated than a number. You
can't be reduced to a number. And just all you
have to do is the minute you accomplish that number,
your five year goal, your ten year gold and you're like, well,
maybe a little bit more. I need my heart oriented
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so I can enjoy whatever I have. I want to
enjoy it when I'm making X number or two X number,
I want to give what I'm giving X number. And
sometimes the more money you make, the less you give,
which is why I always encourage folks kind of think
about giving. Three ways the three p's I could talk
about it. Are you giving to God's pee priorities?
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Number two?
Speaker 6 (22:54):
Are you becoming progressively more generous each year?
Speaker 4 (22:57):
And three?
Speaker 6 (22:58):
If you've never tried it, move from kind of a
tip to God to a percentage giving. You have to
jump to ten percent or maybe even get to ten
percent ever, but just start giving a percentage of your income,
even one percent. What happens when you write that check
or when you give that amount, It kind of reminds
you this is a small percent of how much God
has given me. It kind of reorged you to think about, man,
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have I been given a lot?
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Man?
Speaker 6 (23:21):
I I've been entrusted a lot. It kind of reorms
you to really appreciate who's given it to you and
how you've been entrusted to use it.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Fascinating conversation, Chad, Thank you so much. Hope you have
a great rest of your day, great weekend, and we'll
catch up again next week. My friend, sound good astor
Chad Holden from the Horizon Community Church. All right, let's
check the roadways one more time before we get out
of here.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Chuck, how are we looking, I'm starting to move again.
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one near the Saint Leon ramp that had the highway
shut down, then one just before the Brookville ramp that
they are still working to clean up. But they're over
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Speaker 2 (24:28):
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We're going to hit our high before noon today of
forty two degrees. The wind brisk thirty five miles per hour.
Temperatures will start to plummet as the afternoon goes on.
We're down to twenty six tonight, hit or miss as
far as snow showers, maybe down to twenty five tonight.
(24:50):
Tomorrow we're dry, cloudy to start the day, and then
snow tomorrow night. We are looking at anywhere from two
to four inches of snow predict did overnight tomorrow night.
Then on Friday, gonna be cold, high of thirty four,
same thing on Saturday and Sunday, and we're looking for
(25:10):
more snow over the weekend. So lots of the white
stuff is a coming. Try to remind you each and
every day, why not go get a shelter pet. They
could use a home for the holidays, and believe me,
you'll be glad you did it. Go to your local
shelter and bring home a dog or a cat. Today
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