Tri-State Chevy Dealers Bengals Postgame Show - 12/28/2025

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Speaker 2 (01:00):
We are live at Wings and Rings, Beckett Ridge, forty
seven eighty two Plum Square in Westchester, and you are
listening to the Tri State Chevy Dealers Postgame Sports Talk
presented by RNL Carriers. This is Chick Ludwig and I'm
alongside Bengals legendary kicker Jim Breach, the leading scorer in
franchise history, and we're breaking down the Bengals thirty seven

(01:22):
to fourteen victory over the Arizona Cardinals like a wrecking ball.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Mike mills Is are awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
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Speaker 3 (01:57):
Or one eight hundred the Big one Breach.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
We know what the naysayers are thinking, that this is
another meaningless victory against a bad team, But what it
says to me is it's a reminder of what might
have been, what could have been, and hopefully what will
be in twenty twenty six for the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
WHENSDA and I easy to come by, check correct And
these last two weeks have been pretty amazing. And yea, yeah,
you know, I understand what nay sayers are saying, and
I understand the reason behind it. But the growth of
the defense over the last several weeks has got to
be exciting for fans to see that they're they're getting
better and got to be encouraged by that because it's happening. Yes,

(02:44):
but did you realize even though okay, they had seven
straight losses the Arizona Cardinals, they also had the seventh
best passing passing team in the league. McBride is a
great player, Wilson is a really nice player. They've got
Harrison out on you know house Daves Harrison out there,

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and yet they threw for just the set through for
just over two hundred yards. Their offense has actually played
better offensively since he took over. Now, their defense has
not played well, So that's why they lost seven in
a row. However, ninety two of those came on the
last drive with almost all second teamers in and that
took him fifteen fifteen plays to get there.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
That's exactly right. Yes, the Bengals improved to six and ten.
It's their second two game winning streak of the season.
The first two games of the season were victories and
Arizona falls. Wow, three and thirteen, eight straight losses. They've
played over eighty players this year, just decimated by injuries.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
And that amazing when it kind of snowballs. So with
injuries and it seems like it starts happening and you
start losing, and obviously there's more injuries, and it's just
it's something you can't you can't, you can't stop, and
you hope you can find somebody along the way. Of
those eighty players, maybe they found somebody that can help
him next year, because right now, obviously I'm in there

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an eight game losing streak, and it's that fun going
to work.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
A little bit of revenge here against Jacoby Brissett because
he was the quarterback for the New England Patriots last
year in that opening game.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
The Bengals had no business losing.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Mean that preseason game.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, no, kid, But he's beaten the Bengals a couple times.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Well, he's played with enough teams, he's had enough opportunity.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
He sure has, he sure has. But we are spoiled
by Joe Burrow. There's no doubt about it. Zach Taylor,
head coach, talked about it after the game. His ability
to diagnose, especially on third down and get the ball
to the right player just incredible. Twenty four of thirty
one passing three hundred and five yards. He did get

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Zack three times, but two touchdowns a long game of
thirty nine yards to tee a passer.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Rating of one twenty nine point one. We love Joe Burrow.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
He gets everybody today, particularly guy they're they're you know,
Chase has sixty yards and that's the most and he
goes over three hundred yards. So that's amazing to get
that many guys that many yards. But the one thing
I was down there, it was so windy. Yes, the
goalposts were swaying back and forth. And to throw the
ball that as accurately as accurately as he did was

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amazing because this was a tough day to throw the ball.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
And that was probably one of the reasons why Evan
McPherson uh missed a uh missed an extra point.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Possibly he yanked it left.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
He pulled it, pulled it, yeah, And I think it's
because he pulled it, yes, But but the end was
a could have been a factor because it really was
extremely windy. Uh. And that's throwing the ball. Kicking the ball.
Wind is the biggest factor, more so than even the cold.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
And Evin did make a fifty seven.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
He did make a fifty seven yard making it look
he's kicked the ball beautifully this year. He's had a really,
really great season.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Just some phenomenal things happen in this game.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Jamar Chase catches two touchdown passes and he reaches the
end zone for the first time since October sixteen. Jim, unbelievable.
I didn't realize he hadn't seen the end zone in
that long. How about Cody Ford. Happy twenty ninth birthday
to Cody Ford. He lines up as a full back

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and a wide receiver. He's a three hundred and fifty
pound offensive tackle and guard, and he winds up catching
and rumbling twenty one yards. Had set up a touchdown
run by Chase Brown. So incredible.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
I was going for he was going for the end zone, Yes.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
He was.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
He would have done anything to get in the end zone.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
He absolutely would have.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
And finally, rookie defensive end Shamar Stewart generates his first
sack of the sea. So he lifts his arms to
the heavens. It finally happened.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
So just a lot of Miles Murphy. He had a
nice stack he did. Yes, Okay, I give a lot
of credit to the defensive backfield because a few of
those recovered sacks. Yes, but they just kept going, keep going,
and keep going, and they kept closing in and finally
they came up with the sacks and it was really
impressive defense. I mean two our thirty three yards all
day too. Phenomenal defensive effort.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Today, and people are going to want to know, Jim,
what's this all about.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Uh, you want to finish the year strong.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Like you mentioned, no, victory is easy to come by
in the National Football League. The Cleveland Browns come in
here next week after upsetting the Pittsburgh Steelers today. Oh,
we feel bad about that though, Oh I know, Brown's
always played the Steelers tough. And then next week in
Pittsburgh the Ravens and the Steelers with a winner take

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off for the AFC North and a trip to the postseason.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Yeah. This is the thing that makes it disappointing the
way the season is gone. The division was very gettable,
The conference is very gettable this year. I think in
Jacksonville right now, probably playing as well as anybody. I'm
going into Denver last week and putting it on Denver
pretty well. So it was it's just not a good

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season where they we just couldn't get their defense together.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Hey, it's awesome to be here at Wings and Rings.
Beckett Ridge. We're on Plump Square. I've got my coffee,
I've got my computer. Jim has his soda and his
cell phone. All we need is you at five one, three, seven, four, nine,
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Plump Drive. We are here in Westchester until eight thirty
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presented by RNL Carrier's Chick Ludwig alongside Jim Breach.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
We are live at Wings.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
And Rings, Beckett Ridge, forty seven eighty two Plumb Square
in Westchester. We're here till eight thirty tonight. We really
appreciate our server tonight. Macy really taking care of us.
And here I keep bugging Jim Breach while he's trying
to eat his It looks like an awesome Caesar salad there, Jim.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
It's a Southwest salad.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Southwest salad, all right, fantastic with to be specific with
potato wedges. Oh yeah, fantastic, really good guys, I got.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Friends here tonight.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Outstanding Susan Richardson, Nancy Christophoe and her daughter Man fantastic.
Appreciate everybody coming out. And we've got Pat in Redding. Pat,
you've got to lead us off again.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Bring it to a.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
Strong Pat All.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
Well, Look, it was great to have He's in a
row where you could actually relax in the fourth quarter.
It's been an awfu way long time. The offense played great,
the defense was very good. Now you look back at
the Jets, Bear, New England and Buffalo games, especially the

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Jets and the Bears, and you wonder.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
What the season would have been like if we had.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
Only an average defense. Now you're gonna call me home fayer,
You're gonna call me an a sayer. But if we
have this good ending and Mike Brown has another excuse
to do nothing about the coaching or the drafting, you know,
and if you want to call me an a sayer,

(10:45):
I'm going to ask you to want both Zach and
Duke Cobn back in charge of the Bengals next year.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Jim, I don't see any changes in the coaching staff.
I really don't, at least Zach Taylor. Okay, there might
be an assistant move on whatever, But I see the
defensive coordinator and the offensive coordinator both coming back here
next year. This club needs more protection for Joe Burrow

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Orlando Brown. I believe the left offensive tackle has one
year left.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
You could look at.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
That position and we can't be naive enough to think
just because we've seen some defensive improvement that that unit
is going to be okay.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
No, it needs an overhaul.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
You need defensive linemen, you need linebackers, and you need
safeties and corners. You can't have enough of defense. They're
going to add to that unit. There's no doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Jim Breach.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
True, you know, I think particularly the defensive line, if
you can if you can get penetration, if you can
get up the field, getting quarterbacks faces, it makes the linebackers,
defensive backs their their job becomes much easier in terms
of trying to cover somebody, how quickly the ball comes out,
all those things. But over the last several games, yes,

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they have improved dramatically, and there's some people playing really well.
DJ Turner dex Hill has come on, played really well.
Jayalen Davis going into the slot has played really well.
Jordan Battle has played well. Gino Stone did another one
of those houdinny things on Wilson down the sideline and

(12:38):
completely whipped on the guy. The same thing he did
the Lovelin and the Bear game. Now, you can't tell
me they're not in the locker room the what IFFs.
I guarantee you there. And they're thinking, oh my gosh,
that's the you know, the Bears those games, I mean,
we'd have a shot and the other I mean, it's
it's frustrating to have things like that happen in games

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you have under control. And Baltimore, I mean Buffalo, they're
up double digits at all three of those games in
the fourth quarter and that is unbelievably frustrating. They had
the same problem last year. It has improved. It has improved,
Miles Murphy has improved. Yes, they need some help in

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the middle of the defense. In that you know, Slayton
did a nice job today. He had a sack. You've
got to control that middle. If you can control that medal,
it can help these young guy, the guys on the
outside get up the field. And yeah, they can't. They
can't sit on their hands and whether yeah, I think
they gotta make a decision with is Duke Tobin the guy,

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and I give him some credit on the If you
look back to the twenty twenty three draft, Miles Murphy
now is coming on. DJ Turner was in that draft.
There's some there's some good players that came out of
that draft that they could build on. But for the
most part the last several years, the drafts have not
been great.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, we understand it.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
I asked you a question about a meaningful game this week,
which is Ohio STATEOT.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I'm worried as an Ohio State Buckeye fan. They are
a notoriously slow starting team. Teams have even though they've
got a great defense, teams have run on them, including
Michigan early in that game. Miami's got a lightning quick
defensive line and the turning The biggest question in that

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game is Ohio State's offensive line.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
If they can hold up and protect.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Julian Saying and create running space for Bo Jackson and
their young running backs, I'll feel good. But the defensive
ends Ruben Bain Junior and Akeem Mesador are are awesome,
and Miami's playing with house mind. They're playing with house money.

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No one expected them to be here. Ohio State, the
pressures on the Buckeyes, so nothing will shock me. I'm
stunned that it's a nine and a half point Ohio
State favored by I'm just stunned by that.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
Are they going to do anything to change the fact
that they have to wait so long to play their
first playoff game?

Speaker 6 (15:23):
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
It's uh, it seems like forever.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Well, it's just like if you we're playing in the
rose ball, you would have that time off.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
So it is a good couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
And it's not like the first time they've ever had
to do it. That's right, if you only did it
for the first time trying to figure out what to
do during that period.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Pat, I hope you'll continue to listen because before we're
off the air tonight, we Jim Breach and I are
going to discuss the NFL versus the college football with
viewership on TV. We're going to talk about that because yeah, yes,
something has to something needs to change. It really does,

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because the NFL is going to steamroll you no matter
who you are on television. So we're going to talk
about that before we get off the air today. But
thank you so much, Pat, all right, appreciate it, and
do we have Bryson and Anderson. Yes you do, all right, Bryson,

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the next, the next, Lance McAllister right here, Bryceon.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
Well, thank you. And a lot of fans they've been saying, oh,
it's it's just the Cardinals are a horrible team.

Speaker 7 (16:41):
But they did a lot of things right.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
Even if the Cardinals didn't have guys like Kyler Murray
or Trade Benson. But in any league alone, Lettle of
the NFL, will win is a win and it's toughly
gonna win in the NFL. They made the Cardinals one dimensional.

Speaker 8 (16:53):
The big screw was actually cooking with Jamar and they
were getting open in space.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
And when you can run the ball like Chase Brown
did today, run and catch the ball, Wow, it just
makes a quarterbacks job much easier when you're when you're
running the ball.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
I would say the Cardinals offense is better with Jakobe
Burssett running it than with Kyler Murray. Their offense has
been much better after Murray went out, and he has
struggled the last several years. He has he has moments right,
and the guys i't believe he's incredibly talented. But Brissett
runs the offense the way it was intended to be

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run and they've over up until this week, really moved
the ball through the through the air. They've thrown the
ball really well. The Bengals just shut him down in
all phases today.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
There were Buckeyes all over that field for the Arizona Cardinals.
I was kind of found myself kind of pulling for him.
Cody Simon was was incredible. And uh, hey, Marvin Harrison
Junior has been fighting with a heel injury. He's just
a shell of himself right now.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
So you're a wide receiver and your feet hurt. Oh,
that's trouble.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
It's real, it really is, all right, Bryce, and I
want to wish you and your family a very happy
New Year you j J.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Thanks Bryson, thanks so much.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
And we've got time to go down to beautiful Central
Kentucky to Lexington.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
Is this Tiffany?

Speaker 9 (18:27):
Hey Tiffany, Hello, Hello, long time day nights older and
a listener, so.

Speaker 8 (18:37):
Thank you for taking my call. By I do have
a question with our young guys that seem to have
come up a little bit with the defense. They're getting better.
What do you do with Trey Henderson? Now that's my question,
what do you do with Tray.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
You know, I would offer him a contract, but nothing
nowhere near what he made this year. He fleeced him
for thirteen more million dollars to what twenty nine million? Okay,
So I would offer him ten or eleven million and
take it or leave it someone else.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Let someone else pay you.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
So he's working right now on getting healthy for his
next contract. He's out for the rest of the year
with a variety of injuries.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
But all right, that's going to be the difficult part.
Are these guys on the outside Osai, who's out, Miles Murphy,
Cedric sat Cam sample. Have those guys make made enough
of a jump that you can discount what Trey Hendricks
it brings to the table. You know, Trey goes through,

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he gets hurt. TJ. Watt goes to the same thing.
He gets he gets a nice, a great contract, and
he gets hurt. And they're both in their early thirties.
How does that look? How is that viewed? Trey hasn't
really he's played over the years he's been out there. Uh,
this was an injury that obviously it just wouldn't heal.

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But that's good. That's gonna be the biggest decision defensively
because that frees up if he doesn't come back, that
freezes a lot of money. What do you do with
that money?

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (20:15):
Do you you get it? I think you have to
do something with DJ Turner before it gets too expensive.
You know, some of these young guys that are showing
that they can really play, don't wait until they hit
their their last year and don't pay them like changing
all these other guys. They wait and wait and wait,
and then they get more and more expensive. Get them

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while they're they're cheaper, and that we can free up
money for a free agent, couple of free agencies. You know,
guys in free agency, it's that's always the tough part.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Of it is a tough decision here that they're gonna
have to make. I I believe they will offer a
great uh a contract. It's not going to be a
three or a four year deal, maybe a two.

Speaker 8 (20:58):
But what a frankchiz tag?

Speaker 5 (21:01):
Could I do it for you?

Speaker 3 (21:04):
All right?

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Hey, we'll address that, Tiffany when we come back. We've
reached the top of the hour break. He's Jim breached.
This is Chick Ludwig. We are live at Wings and
Rings Beckett Ridge, and you're listening to the Tri Stage
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Speaker 3 (22:35):
He's Jim breached. This is Chick Ludwig.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
We're breaking down the Bengals thirty seven to fourteen victory
over the Arizona Cardinals like a wrecking ball Jim. Last
week it was forty five to twenty one over the
Miami Dolphins. This week thirty seven to fourteen. Man with
this offense is click and it is special.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
It really is. It's as good as there is in
the league. And lately it's really think about him off again,
shut out, correct and then done pretty well since the
last two weeks.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
No doubt.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
It just shows that the team you do play doesn't
matter who your opponent.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Is, no doubt about that.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
And let's review the delivery of the game brought to
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RNL Carriers your global transportation provider. How about Joe Burrow's
thirteen yard pass to Jamar Chase to get the Bengals
on the board at the nine to seventeen mark of

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the first quarter.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
It was just amazing. Uh, Jamar Chase.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Stiff arms the guy, breaks the tackle near the sideline,
then he breaks another tackle, spins, dives into the end
zone just and then he folds his hands in prayer
to a higher power. He finally got into the end
zone for the first time since October sixteenth, So that.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
Is the delivery of the game. It was just a phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Pass and catch and uh, what a route to get
into that engine.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
It was unbelievable. And he became the first player in
NFL history with eighty catches, one thousand yards and seven
touchdowns in their first five seasons. Just uh, every time
you catch a touchdown pass or adds to a reception,
and he's putting a record on the boards, you know,
and there yardage is only short of Justin Jefferson, but

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he's been closing the gap each year. Former teammate of
his a l You think they were pretty good with
a decent quarterback.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
That's exactly right. Joe Burrow and the cigar at the Superdome. Wow, Hey,
let's go back out to the phones. Do we have
Rick and Alexandria? And how about Brandon in Indianapolis? Our
good friend Brandon.

Speaker 10 (24:57):
Hey, chik, Jim, how are you guys doing?

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Fantastic? And Brandon? Happy New Year.

Speaker 10 (25:04):
Happ happening year to you guys too. You know you
guys were talking about earlier. You know how the NFL
has been a steamroll college football. It's like the NDA
was on Christmas too, And I know those were some
lousy NFL games. I don't know, they turned out pretty good,
but I mean, I don't. I just love the NFL.

Speaker 11 (25:20):
I don't.

Speaker 10 (25:20):
I know, you guys to it over any of them
because it's once a week. It's just it's just wonderful,
you know. I just I think I think I'm interested
to shoot here what you guys have to say later
about that, because you know, okay.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Can it's more.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, it's it's once a week for a team, but
it's twice twice a week for some teams. And uh,
the NFL wants to play every night of the week.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
So baseball basketball are fairly regional. Your team is in
your locale, you know, the Reds are big here. The
NFL is national. Every it seems like everybody is part
of it.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Internet.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Yes, last year of the top one hundred programs ratings wise,
ninety three were NFL football games. Yeah, ninety three of
the top one hundred.

Speaker 11 (26:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yes, the sponsor, the uh, the advertising, it's just uh,
it's a monster.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
It's amazing, it really is.

Speaker 10 (26:17):
It's just it's just hard to you know, it's just
hard to overcome it. But you know, and I know
you were talking about this to Jim, and we talked
about last week about Burrough playing, and I'm glad they're
doing well and I and I understand what you guys
are saying, but darn, I mean, we're talking about games
that don't mean anything, and I but I know it's
nice to win them. And but I'm just afraid.

Speaker 12 (26:36):
I know Mike Browning.

Speaker 10 (26:37):
Company doesn't make changes very easily, So I'm.

Speaker 13 (26:39):
Kind of afraid.

Speaker 10 (26:40):
You're probably right, chick, that Zach's gonna stay next year.
But I just think you still got to, girlie, and
I know you guys do because you were talking about it.

Speaker 11 (26:48):
They still got to make some changes.

Speaker 10 (26:50):
They still got to make changes, and I hope, I
just hope they'll say, well, we want our.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Last three games wide.

Speaker 10 (26:55):
We can do this, you know, no, no, no, no, no,
you got to make sure.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Branded, all bets are off, all bets are off.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
If they start slow next.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Year, it will be absolute armageddon in Cincinnati. There will
be a house cleaning if they start slow next year.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
I don't know if that happens. Ever happened in Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yeah, Yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
What that's what's upset Joe you with his talent and
his success in his career, to go three consecutive years
without the playoffs?

Speaker 3 (27:27):
You tell me he's not frustrated.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
And if there would be a four straight year, oh,
it's gonna get ugly.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
However, you have.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 10 (27:41):
I was just gonna say, and you know, Jim, because
I remember I was talking to you about you know,
I don't understand why they're playing him, and you're right,
he wants to play and he should. I mean, injuries
can happen anytime. But I just I mean, I'm I
were winning, but it's you know that I sit and
think to myself, It's like, but does this mean that
Katie and the guys involved are I'm not going to
make changes.

Speaker 14 (28:01):
I mean probably not.

Speaker 10 (28:02):
I just think that after a while, the coaches and stuff.

Speaker 6 (28:06):
It's kind of like, you.

Speaker 10 (28:07):
Know, if a marriage doesn't work out anymore, it's just
got us to say this isn't working.

Speaker 13 (28:11):
We need a new voice.

Speaker 10 (28:12):
I'm not saying it's all VA's fault.

Speaker 15 (28:14):
I think some of it.

Speaker 10 (28:15):
Is, but but they haven't drafted right in a few years,
I don't think, and it is some things we could
just they just need to make changes.

Speaker 4 (28:21):
On my thoughts, well, I don't continuity is a big deal,
and this offense runs at a pretty high level. And
I don't know, why do you want to get rid
of Zac And now you're going to start over with
the brand new offense that everybody has to learn. When
you have one of the best going, the guy guys

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play for him. However, they have not done a good
job of finding the talent. And it's harder now with
having to pay Burrow, pay Chase, pay Higgins, you paid Hendrickson,
you paid just Sicky. He had all these guys on
offense except for Hendon, and we don't know what's gonna
happen with Hendrickson. So now you have to do a

(29:03):
phenomenal job of drafting. On the defensive side. DJ Turror
looks like a really good player, Dax Hill is really
coming on, Battles coming on Miles Murphy possibly. But every
draft you're going to have to hit on those young
guys on defense. And if you miss in a couple drafts,

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which they have previously, sets you back, sets you back
big time, and you end up with the defense it
really struggles. And I don't know that changing the defensive
coaching makes any sense either, because they seem to finally
getting a feel for what they're doing on the defensive side.
You do you start it all over again and go
through a half season of them starting to figure it
out again.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
All right, appreciate the call as always, Thank you so much.
Happy New Year to Brandon. Hey, we've got to take
a break. We'll come back with more. He's Jim Breach.
This is Chick Ludwig. You are listening to the Trice
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(30:09):
to the Tri State Chevy Dealers Postgame Sports Talk presented
by RNL Carriers. This is Chick Ludwig. I'm alongside Jim Breach.
We are live at Wings and Rings, Beckett Ridge, forty
seven eighty two Plumb Square in Westchester. We're here till
eight thirty tonight, and we appreciate all the callers and

(30:29):
all the folks here in attendance. Let's go out to
the phones as we continue to discuss the bengals thirty
seven to fourteen victory over the Arizona Cardinals today Matt
in Springfield, Matt, how are.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
You, hey?

Speaker 11 (30:42):
What's going on?

Speaker 13 (30:43):
As always?

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Chick all right, Matt Hey, Matt Hey, yeah.

Speaker 16 (30:47):
Good talk YouTube Jim, Yeah, man, that's a good one today.
You know, the defense has actually been stepping up for
you know, since what the still has Jim that one
last st game, that defensive showed improvement. So you know,
maybe that's something to build on for the next season.
You know, hopefully we can get back to things because

(31:08):
I mean, I mean this team is five and two
with Burrow starting, So what could have been?

Speaker 4 (31:13):
You know, if Burrow did not.

Speaker 16 (31:14):
Get hurt, especially with how bad the AFT Mors looks
this year. I mean the BFC North A nine and
eighteen is gonna win the division. So I mean, again,
what could have been if you know, Burrow was healthy.
It just this sucks. This this season was the Bengals
for the taking, and it just what could have been? Man,
they look unstoppable when they're all healthy. You cannot stop

(31:37):
that three yoh Man, t Jamala and Burrow Man when
they're firing.

Speaker 11 (31:41):
On all cylinders.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
It really is a thing to well.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
When we go back, yeah, we go back to the
Jets and the Bears games coming off a big win
over Pittsburgh, you know on a Thursday night, and those
two games that just killed this club.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
And the Buffalo game, yes, when they were starting to
play better defensively, Josh Allen just tore him up.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
He did, yes.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
Again in both in all three of those games, gave
up fourth quarter leads. And that's that's the one thing
you have to be able to close it out. I'm
as we're sitting here, I was watching a little bit
of Philadelphia's defensive line. Oh my gosh, they're harassing Josh
Allen every time he throws. And again, if you get
in the quarterback, I don't care who the quarterback is.

(32:27):
If you're pushing, if you're getting back into his face
and he can't step up into his throws, he becomes
average Joe at that point.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
That's it. That's right.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
And we saw back to back sacks against Joe Burrow
today on their gosh, get him blocked, run the football
and stop the rush.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
I was thinking of, yes, yes.

Speaker 11 (32:53):
All right, I'll be done. Then I said, who there, guys, all.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Right, thanks so much of Jim. Jim reach right here
is correct.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
You look at Philadelphia, wave after wave of great players
up front.

Speaker 4 (33:07):
And that's I wasn't talking necessarily what the other team did.
They You can't neutralize the quarterback, right. What I'm saying
is they typically bring it, and by bringing it, they're up,
they're up the field, and they're making it hard on
every quarterback to throw the ball successfully. Especially their defense
is getting healthier there. And you know, you see that

(33:27):
and you think you see what's possible.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Right, yeah, hey, let us get a push. Is George
in Green Hills with us?

Speaker 15 (33:40):
What's up?

Speaker 3 (33:41):
All right?

Speaker 4 (33:42):
G oh hey, George lay it on us?

Speaker 15 (33:44):
Whod okay guys?

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 15 (33:48):
Well, First of all, guys, great team win today. So
much fun to see them all clicking at the same time.
But I am so excited. I am so excited for
next year. Defensively, I think we need to resign right
now that Toil Turner, Battle Dixon. Get those guys all resigned,

(34:09):
and let's draft defensive linemen, rush ends, and let's go
get a veteran stud linebacker. Offensively, let's get one good
veteran tackle and let's go win a Super Bowl next year.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
I like that formula.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
Yeah, I'm not sure you meant by Dixon. Yeah who
uh uh, But yeah, to your point, I I kind
of agree, get out ahead of it.

Speaker 15 (34:36):
So money, Chase Brown, we got to resign Chase right
now as well.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Chase Brown, what a what a great pick he was, absolutely.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
But but if you can get these guys early, you
free up money to go do things like pick up
guys up of free agency.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
And I just got a feeling the money that they've
thrown at Trey Hendry this year, it's going to go
elsewhere next year.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (35:03):
Go, I don't even resign trades. Get him out of here.
Trade's done, he's builking the injury. Get him out. We
don't want him to let him go. Use the money,
and let's go get some guys that want to be
here and play football. The lady said, tag them. We're
not taking him at thirty something million.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Let him go.

Speaker 15 (35:18):
He's too old, all right. Kim Breach is still the
greatest kicker and Bengalo's history.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Baby, love you guys, thank you.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
I appreciate that. I disagree with George that he was
milking his injury. If there's anybody that wants to be
out there playing, its Trey Hendrickson and and so often
I hear that when a guy can't get on the field.
They said that about aj Green and his foot injury,
and sometimes there's injuries. He just can't overcome that easily.
And I wish you understand how competitive guys are and

(35:52):
the last thing they want to be doing is sitting
on the bench. Now, there are times when they're angry
about something. I guess that's the possibility, but it's very
rare that I've ever seen anything like that in Cincinnati.
I mean, guys want to. Guys want to. You played
the game because you love to play the game. You
played the game when you were a kid. You play
you can they pay you now, yes, but you still

(36:14):
love the game. You still love playing the game.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
All alpha males, they want to be out there. Hey
do we have Kevin in Westwood?

Speaker 6 (36:24):
Hey, guys, how are you doing?

Speaker 13 (36:26):
You get y'all good?

Speaker 3 (36:30):
It was like, let me get you on your mind.

Speaker 15 (36:34):
So first off, I'm I'm you.

Speaker 13 (36:36):
Know, hey, listen.

Speaker 11 (36:37):
Uh.

Speaker 17 (36:38):
The Bengals basically get away with right this the leadership
on the team when they got rid.

Speaker 11 (36:45):
Of all the veterans that were played.

Speaker 17 (36:46):
You got to give guys a chance to get some
chemistry these guys are starting to jail. You do need
those other veterans to come in now. And you know,
we need to use our opportunity to bring in some
veter games so we have some actual leadership.

Speaker 11 (37:00):
On this here. I'm talking defense.

Speaker 6 (37:01):
It's not offense, as Zach put together a heck of
offense period.

Speaker 17 (37:05):
No one can say that Zach did not put together
a great team. Our draft picks have been good. They
just need time to development. That's happening. This thing about
disbanding everybody, and I didn't feel like this four weeks ago, right,
I feel like this four weeks ago, But I do
feel like this now. Things are starting to come together now.

(37:27):
It's not the time to disband things. Lastly, the last
thing I'm gonna say, man, is when you know, when
when people talk about becoming bangalized and.

Speaker 15 (37:36):
Things like that, we're always on the threshold of being great.

Speaker 17 (37:40):
I don't know any team out here that could have
that number one quarterback not be available for the field.
Bring somebody from.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
A whole other team who has never.

Speaker 17 (37:53):
Played with this squad and at least have the performance that.

Speaker 11 (37:57):
We've had up to this point. Lend you with that
two day, all day and fall there is to us.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
All right, Kevin, we'll address all this when we come back.
We've reached the bottom of the hour break. You're listening
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(38:31):
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Speaker 3 (38:38):
He's Jim Breach, this is Chick Ludwig.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
We're live at Wings and Rings, Beckett Ridge, forty seven
eighty two Plum Square in Westchester till eight thirty tonight.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
And I hope it's okay if I say.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
We're celebrating the bengals thirty seven to fourteenth victory over
the Arizona Cardinals, a two game winning streak for the
second time this year. Jim, can you remember the first one?
That was against Cleveland and Jacksonville to start the season.

Speaker 4 (39:04):
Jacksonville turned out to be pretty good, didn't they.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Yeah, they sure did.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Wow, we put a blemish on their schedule, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Briving stepped up big in that game.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Hey, let's go out to the phones.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
We appreciate all the callers, Dick and Dayton, Richard.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
What's happening? He dropped? Okay, Donald in Mainville? Are you there?

Speaker 13 (39:27):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (39:27):
I'm here all right? Donald.

Speaker 13 (39:32):
Hey, I just want to say that I appreciate you guys
show each and every week at the game.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Is uh.

Speaker 13 (39:38):
I do look forward to every time on the Bengal's place.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
We appreciate that we are your guilty pleasure, your guilty pleasure.

Speaker 18 (39:46):
Thank you also too. One thing, I want to make
a couple of comments. You know, it was great to
see that, you know, the team have fun and when today.
It was good to see that because that's kind of
teaming are. But you know what, we cannot bring it back.
J It's stone on that defense. Those two have to
be eliminated from that defense. They're not doing anything to

(40:09):
help the young group out at all. They actually make it.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
They're gonna look for safeties. They're gonna look for a
safety or two. We we know that for next year.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
They obviously have to make decisions on the defensive side
of the ball. There's no doubt about that. And Gino
Stone out in space. I mean, his tackling is just
horrendous and huge play.

Speaker 13 (40:32):
It's like, you know, Pulp Warner, I mean, what the heck,
you'll keep your head up, hop you get your head across.
What the heck? You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Yeah, I think sometimes there are business decisions and if
you if you notice that, it's usually a bigger guy and.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
I don't know, I mean a shoulder against Michael Wilson.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
It was a big guy. He's about two fifteen.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
It's not enough to get him out of bounce.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Yeah, he barely scraped him.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
And he's behind him. And he did the exact same
things to Loveland on that play with the Bears where
he went to hit him and he just barely scrapes
by a guy's just standing there. I mean, the.

Speaker 13 (41:18):
Good job. It would be a big balls books.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
I agree. Oh, I'd love to have back.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
What do you what would you think about Flacco starting
the Cleveland game, started the Cleveland game for Cleveland, starts
at the Cleveland game for Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
That would be awesome. Other than I think you'll get
some time. I don't see him starting.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
I just thought that would be fun.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
It would be awesome, It really would. Hey, uh, Donald,
appreciate the call. Richard is back. Richard is back from Dayton.
Hi Richard.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Hey chik, that's Richard.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Thanks for calling back.

Speaker 7 (42:01):
I just want to say something. Joe Burrow comes back
in two weeks lightens up the sky. I mean it
looks he is a hero for that team. And the
defense just coming back too. I think you know, but
it was Chase Brown.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Chase Brown talked about it after the game. Having Joe
Burrow on the field just gives a whole gives energy
to this entire team, and it just GI's some confidence.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
I agree. And they played games two teams they're not
very good, and with the last good team they played,
what happened.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah, they got to shut out by the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
So I mean it's it's the offense is great, has
the potential to consistently be great. But that same offense
without T Higgins. But they won a lot of games
without Tea or you know, te playing and Jamar or not.
They still won football games. But they've never been shut out.
So no, Yeah, I'm excited to see what.

Speaker 7 (43:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (43:09):
Check it?

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Guys. All right, tick, thank you, You're welcome, all right,
appreciate it. Happy New Year. Do we have John in Florida?

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (43:21):
You do.

Speaker 19 (43:22):
You had me last week and then you hung up
on me, So are you gonna stick with.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Me this week? Hey?

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Well we'll stick with you John. I didn't realize that. Okay,
all right, what is on your mind?

Speaker 15 (43:36):
Well?

Speaker 19 (43:36):
I was discussing about how we have half a billion
dollars in assets that shouldn't be on the field right now,
and you know, we we might have a chance next year,
but I think Falco should be starting, and we sit
all of our guys. We've we've gone from a seven

(43:57):
to nine draft pick to a ten third team draft
pick with these two wins. And the only person that's
really happy about that is Mike Brown because it saves
him millions of dollars.

Speaker 15 (44:10):
Can you argue that point with me?

Speaker 19 (44:11):
Or am I right? I?

Speaker 4 (44:16):
At some point winning becomes Mike wants to win. He
does want to win. Uh you you make a.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
From a fans stand point.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Fans, you know I remember the game, but I'm playing
my Wait what what what I do?

Speaker 19 (44:35):
Remember the game against What are we gaining with this win?

Speaker 4 (44:40):
Now, Okay, you're looking at from a fans perspective, you're
looking at from a perspective.

Speaker 19 (44:46):
Of lots of money on this, But I'm looking at
it as a fans perspective.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Okay, this club is evaluating, trying to find out who
can help them win next year.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
They're not going to lay down.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Out this point is why.

Speaker 19 (45:03):
We have. We have some defensive guys that have been
making some great plays here lately.

Speaker 15 (45:08):
But I mean, the.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Head coach cannot tell the team. The head coach cannot
tell the team to relax, lay down, let's lose so
we could get a higher draft pick.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
It ain't gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Well, no, nobody does.

Speaker 19 (45:28):
But nobody makes any sense that we're risking a half
a billion dollars in assets to get to that point
when when winning right now means nothing other than a
worse draft pick.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
As in Max, it's kind of aggravating me. Well, I
think the thing is guys are getting paid to play football.
It's not up to them.

Speaker 19 (45:59):
Yeah, very and paid, and you know market like more touchdowns?
He gets like what three more million dollars stacked onto
his thing.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
No, idea. I have no idea.

Speaker 19 (46:11):
Yeah, they can afford individual accolades where they need to
make their own money, and I'm cool with that. But
if we're going to talk about a team that we
want to love and that we need to have, it
doesn't make any sense risking half a billion dollars and

(46:33):
and an investment and we have literally no defense, and
all of a sudden, these guys and you know what,
I'm happy with the defense. I'm happy with these guys,
these young guys that are coming up and out of
the practice squad and and showing up and making place
that exciting.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
So John, what do you want? What do you want
to see?

Speaker 14 (46:56):
You want I want to I want to see our team.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
You want to see a trap pick? You want to
see them lose? Is that correct?

Speaker 13 (47:03):
No?

Speaker 4 (47:03):
He wants to chase Higgins and Burrow to sit on
the bench so you don't ever saw you don't expose
them and then see what happens. And if they lose,
then their draft pick maintains wherever it's going to be.
And if they win, okay, they won with without those guys.

Speaker 19 (47:20):
But but here's another thing. So, like with Trey Hendrickson
last you know, at the beginning of the season. When
he sits out, you know what, I wouldn't have paid him.
I just like, just sit out, just sit out, just
stay you're not getting paid. I'm done with these guys
doing all this contract prap because you know, I make

(47:43):
thirty dollars.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Ann John, and if I want.

Speaker 14 (47:45):
Tomorrow chick hang on.

Speaker 19 (47:48):
And if I walk into my boss tomorrow and go,
you know what, I'm not showing up for work tomorrow
unless you pay me forty a outs. Do you know
what he's gonna.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Fail me show you the door. I can find somebody.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
At twenty five, Trey Hendrickson was going to make sixteen million.

Speaker 20 (48:08):
I'm tired.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
I'm Trey hendricks was due to make sixteen this year. Okay,
he said he would sit out if they he didn't
get a raise.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Okay, the Bengals he gave.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
They had to give him thirteen more million dollars.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
John, We're gonna wind up hanging up on you again.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
The Bengals had to give him thirteen more million dollars
because we're travels fast in the NFL that the Bengals
are cheap, they're not paying their players. Nobody will want
to come here, so they had to cough up thirteen
more million dollars give him twenty nine to uh to
face up. So with that, let's take a break. Thank

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Speaker 3 (51:21):
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Speaker 2 (51:22):
I love the second touchdown drive for the Bengals and
twelve plays seventy nine yards and loved it when Cody
Ford three hundred and fifty pounds offensive linemen lined up
at full back and paved the way for samajp rn

(51:43):
a one yard slam into the end zone. And during
the broadcast, Dan Horde, the voice of the Bengals, called
it the Cincinnati Zoo because there were seven offensive linemen
and it measures two ninety eight pounds up front blocking

(52:05):
for samaj ap Ryan.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
That was awesome. Worked, it really really worked.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
And when that play happened on there, why don't they
use a big offensive lineman more as a full back.
We saw Sam Hubbard do it at Ohio State. He
did it a few times, I think with the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Doomatop Echo domat several times. Yes, So you know, the
only thing is those guys are running in there if
if there's an adjustment that they have to adjust while
they're going that the linebacker doesn't hit the guy doesn't
come up exactly where you're expecting. Yes, adjusting on the
run at three hundred and something pounds can can be
a little bit difficult at times. Yes, they got to

(52:43):
It takes a while for them to move.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Yeah, and if there's a flinch then you're five yards back.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
We've seen that a couple of times this year too.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
But it was effective. It can be effective, but you
get all that weight.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Behind going absolutely and but yeah, Ryan closing out a
twelve place, seventy nine yard drive to me, that was
That was awesome.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
And Joe burrow Man.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Talking about using all of his weapons and spreading the
ball out to all of his playmakers.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
It was fun to watch.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
So one hundred and thirty yards to Chase and Tee
and three hundred and five yards passing, which is pretty
amazing if you think about it. You know that most
teams have two wide receivers like the Bengals have, they're
gonna be getting seventy eighty percent of the yardage, and
these guys got a small percentage.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Jamar Chase seven catches, sixty yards, two touchdowns, t four
catches fifty nine yards a long gain of thirty nine.
Andre Josvash four catches for forty one yards, Chase Brown
coming out of the backfield, three catches for forty yards,
Mike Caseeki two catches for forty seven yards, including a
thirty two yarder, two catches for Tanner Hudson thirty one yards,

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and one catch to Cody Ford on his twenty ninth
birthday rumbling, stumbling and bumbling down the right sideline for
twenty one yards.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
That was awesome.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
He looked like he'd done it before then he really did.
He wanted that end zone. He wanted that end zone. Bad.

Speaker 3 (54:19):
Oh, that is fantastic.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Hey, you appreciate all of our callers. Do we have
Jack in Centerville?

Speaker 14 (54:30):
Hello?

Speaker 4 (54:31):
Hello?

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Just me Green?

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Next Jack?

Speaker 12 (54:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (54:35):
With regard to the draft, you had just win your
last three games. And if you feel the need, uh, great.

Speaker 21 (54:41):
Up, great up, get get downs or reef or Jackson
from Ohio State. Other reasons to look positively toward next year. Hey,
the schedule the should be favorable. The dynamics and rosters
change between now and next September. But in the AFC
you avoid Buffalo and New England. In the West, you

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avoid the Chargers in Denver. The seventeenth add on game
is Washington The Texans are away that might be the
only non division game and you're a non favorite. You've
got Jacksonville and Champa both at home. Love the schedule,
Thanks so much for letting me in, all right.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
The problem with that is there are what four teams
that won eleven games this year that are leading their divisions,
so you just now from year to year it changes.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
But they lost at least eleven last year, they lost.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
At least eleven. I'm sorry. Yes, And let's see Jacksonville's
joint team to ever have with four wins of previous
year to go to twelve wins this year, so you
never know. And the Bengals, and why can't the Bengals
be one of those teams, you know, have double digit
losses and turn it around. They're very capable, certainly offensively,

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and again we've discussing the defense. They have to again,
they've got to make some good choices in the draft.
They have to continue to develop the guys, which seems
to be happening. This is probably as good a stretch
of young guys really playing well. And then they have
to get some free agents that can impact them, particularly

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in the defensive line.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Getting a push you're so right, Jim, You're so right.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Istant pressure on a quarterback eases the pressure on the secondary.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
You don't have to cover as long.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
Even today. I mean, they had four sacks, but nobody
got there quickly. They had they coverge secks. These guys
did a great job. And the guys just kept going, going, going,
and eventually got the uh got the sacks. But every
once in a while, you know, Hendrick, that's where Trey
comes in, where he can beat a guy quickly and
get around the corner and impact the quarterback. And that

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quarterback's on the blind side, and he's got to worry
about that. And right now, I don't think they're too concerned.
But four sacks and four sacks, so it worked.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Hey do we have Sean and Clifton?

Speaker 13 (57:09):
We do?

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Indeed?

Speaker 3 (57:11):
All right?

Speaker 14 (57:12):
Shot, Hey mister throw uh wow? Did you bring you
too good to talk to you?

Speaker 22 (57:20):
You got me?

Speaker 14 (57:21):
You got me?

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Yes, sir, I appreciate you.

Speaker 22 (57:24):
Okay, okay, it's a true story. If I could, I
know it's it's becoming almost a third rail, but.

Speaker 13 (57:33):
Your earlier collar, John.

Speaker 22 (57:35):
If I could, I think it's a head and heart
type of situation. And I love your perspective on it,
uh and just for brief my resume perspective. My father
has worked for the Bengals and Reds for the last
fifty years. My brother Kasey and I were at the
Froze Bool. So there's no question with every ounce of

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our being, we want the Bengals to win, period. We
want every play to be a positive play the Bengals, period.

Speaker 23 (58:05):
And yet that's the heart the head says, if they
don't pull out the victory, they get a better draft position.
If they don't play their starters, the starters don't get hurt.
And I'm not suggesting they don't play the starters, and
I'm not suggesting that they thank But isn't there a

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part of you, just a small part of you? It says, Oh,
these are period victories, and I know there's the encandidate right,
the momentum going into next year.

Speaker 13 (58:39):
I get it.

Speaker 22 (58:41):
You don't want folks just sitting on the bench. Totally
get it. The Burrow gets hurt in one of these
games and we're like, what was that about?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Why there's always that yang and yang.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
When it comes to football, that's always a possible outcome,
whether it's the last game of the season, whether it's
the second game of the season, it's chance of Jacksonville,
or why guys don't play in the preseason because they
might get hurt. They might get hurt in practice. There's
always that possibility. That's part of the game. I'm the
unfortunate part of the game. And I get what I

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get what you're saying, and I get what John was saying.
I get I get it. But having played, and I
just don't think guys feel they don't. I feel like,
of course, it's not there, it's not their decision, it's
not has to come from higher It.

Speaker 22 (59:43):
Would be asinine to have coaches playing the subs last
three games of the year, when you're eliminated from the playoffs, right,
but don't be the amount to essentially a winter preseason,
all of them, but with higher stake, with higher stakes.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
Well, I think there is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Like people pay fair question, and it's when I go
to a game, I want to see the best players.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
If you if you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Worry about hitting the wall at the Indy five hundred,
you're going to hit the wall. If you worry about
getting hurt, you're going to get hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
You cannot. Yeah, so.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Yeah, yeah, it's It's a conundrum that's gone on for
as long as people have played football.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
And Sean appreciate the call. Man, Thanks so much. Do
we have Jeff and Dayton?

Speaker 20 (01:00:48):
Hi, great show tonight by the way, as always, Thanks
so much, Jeff. Let me say this, it's good to
hear yours as well, my friend. Let me say this
about draft. Ruben Bain is a highly touted defensive end.
He has thirty but he didn't have very good stats.
You know, we've been through this before with lineman. His

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college stats over he has thirty point seventy five inch
arm lengths.

Speaker 15 (01:01:17):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 20 (01:01:20):
I've never seen a lineman that had defensive end had
that short of arm so he could drop. And I
hope the Bengals don't draft him there because that's going
to be a problem. I saying, yeah, most offensive lineman's
length now is like thirty four inches and a lot
of them go to thirty five now and thirty inch arms.

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I just boy, they're going to have their hands on
his chest every time.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
Uh what?

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Pete Brown, Mike's brother, Pete, he was he was the
pro at hand size, arm length size, all those little
uh you know, all those measurements.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
That was the Pete Brown.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
I get that Tim Crumray was two hundred and fifty
five pounds coming out fifty five sixty or seven to
come out of college. He wasn't big enough, wasn't fast enough,
wasn't fast enough. It wasn't anything he just said. But
you know what he could do. He could flat out
play football.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
And give me a guy who can play football over
and having all the perfect maasorables and seems to be
lacking in production. Give me the guys producing. Yes, Now,
some of those guys can be.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
All I saw against Texas A and m was Ruben
Bain wreaking havoc.

Speaker 21 (01:02:42):
Against Maggie and you got him.

Speaker 6 (01:02:47):
You got to watch young guys who did he play against?
What was the left tackle? Left offensive tackle against out
comes into play as well. Look, he might turn out
to be a good player. I don't know, but that's
thirty point just scared me. Now I'm going to say,
you're this has been the the two most.

Speaker 20 (01:03:07):
Exciting weeks to watch the Bengals that I've had.

Speaker 11 (01:03:13):
Actually, I listened to him on the radio.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
In a law You know it's exciting when lap them.

Speaker 11 (01:03:19):
Yeah, Jeff, Jim no.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
I just said, you know what's exciting when lap Is
is calling that he's having find in a game like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
This, Jeff, we got to run man, appreciate the call
and wishing you, wishing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
You a happy, happy New Year, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Well before we reached h the bottom of the hour
break here, let's review the Guilty Windows. Window of opportunity
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is right after Evan McPherson's fifty seven yard field goal
giving the Bengals a sixteen to seven lead, the Arizona

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Cardinals go three and out and then key Sean Williams,
rookie from Indiana picked up off waivers from Pittsburgh on
December sixteen, returns a punt forty three yards Jim to
Arizona's thirty six yard line. Chase Brown goes for a
twenty five yard run, and then it all set up

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Joe Burrow's eight yard touchdown passed to Jamar Chase one
fifteen to go before halftime, twenty three to seven lead.
That punt return was the window of opportunity that was.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
Huge terrible punt. Lowe bounced one time right to him.
He had twenty twenty five yards in front of him.
Guys are spread out, and he took advantage of every
bit of it. His eyes had to be like saucers.
He saw all that room. Oh man, I'm going he's
done a great job of returning puntzel hickoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Yes, so finding that niche take advantage of his that's
what that's.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
You're just trying to find where you fit, you know,
until you get an opportunity to play on. But your
deal might be special teams for your whole career, that's right,
and become the best at what you can what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
And you're getting you're still getting paid. If you could
be a wrecking ball on special teams, there's a place
for you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
Absolutely, that's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Well, their punter got off a sixty three yard or
coffin corner.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
Oh that was that was a beautiful punt.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
That was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
And you you asked yourself, whatever happened to the coffin corner.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
Punts, because they're very difficult to do. Yes, I can
tell you that the guys that were coffin corner punters
probably hit as many into the end zone as they
got inside the twenty. Okay, Now, now, if you're not
fifteen ahead of your inside the twenty, if you're not
like twenty and you know, twenty inside the twenty and

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three touchbacks, four touchbacks, you're really having not a very
good year as far as that goes. So, yeah, the
comfin quire difficult.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Hey, We've got to take a break.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
He's Jim Breechs.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
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Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Bengals win thirty seven to fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
That's on top of last week's forty five to twenty
one victory over the Miami Dolphins. This week, the hup
the Arizona Cardinals went down hard, but man, you got
to feel for them. Three and thirteen losers of eight
straight after a two both of these teams started two
to Oh incredible, they lose their quarterbacks. Kyler Murray's gone

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for Arizona, and of course Joe Burrow was out an
extended period of time for the Cincinnati Bengals. So but
it was good to see Cincinnati bounce back here with
these two straight wins.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
A lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Folks have problems with it because, oh, it's costing them
a draft pick. I don't buy it. When you're a
paying customer, you want to see the best players play.
They did get Joe out in the fourth quarter. Heck,
with a minute thirty eight to go in the third quarter,
he was done for the game, So that was a
good sign. But the Bengals win, and as we said

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at the top of the show, it's a reminder of
what this team can do and what hopefully it will
do next year.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
Jim, Yes, yeah, I agree, But I'm most excited to
see the development of the defense and the improvement and
particularly in the defensive backfield because they were a period
during the season with guys running around wide open every
all over the field and you're just not seeing that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
Guys, when they do catch balls, there's guys really close
to them. They're making plays on the ball. And that's
a big that's a big step up. That's that's huge,
and I'm really excited about that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Absolutely, let's go out to the filch Garry is in Madison,
Garry here.

Speaker 24 (01:08:20):
Thanks for taking a call. They got a couple of issues.
One you already touched on a little bit. I think
if a guy's got a contract and he's able to play,
he needs to play, no matter what the record of
the team is, whatever, because the fans expect that, okay,
and they need when when they got tickets to the
ball game, they need to go and need to see

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who they want to see, okay, who they're rooting for.
And then my second com man, the thing that this
defense is lacking more than anything at all, is what
you call a good old middle linebacker Okay, in my opinion,
someone that's out there on the defense what to do
what he's seeing, and someone that can key all on

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the on the quarterback if he's uh, you know, dropping
off the running back or he's dropping back for a
face and that's my opinion.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
I'll hang up on the chow comment. So I think
they're a good example. Rocan Smith at Baltimore, he changed
their defense last year when he was picked up. Fred
Warner is another example of that old time. But they
can play all aspects. He can cover guys, but they
can come they come up and fill a hole in

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a heartbeat.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Does that Rams Corner or forty nine ers or forty
nine ers?

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
Okay, yes, yeah, so yeah. The linebacker is a little
bit different today than it used to be, but some
of them still play like those old time middle linebackers,
just just moving a lot faster.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Yeah, the days of Dick Buckis and uh gosh, Tommy
Nobis of the Atlanta Falcons. You're going with a little
bit smaller, faster guys. The game is just so fast now.

Speaker 4 (01:10:08):
As soon as they went to the five yard bump
rule in nineteen seventy.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Nine, well because of Isaac Curtis.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
Yes, and I was in a meeting when I was
with the Raiders. They you know, the referees come in
and talk about the new rules. The guy specifically called it.
I don't care what they say in Pittsburgh about being
the mel blot rule. The guy said, this is the
Isaac Curtis rule, absolutely, and the five yard bump that
changed everything from then on.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Because mel Blunt blasted him all the way down the field.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
Well, the Raiders were doing it too, and there were
a lot of teams doing that. And the Steelers defense
obviously was so great. All their players were great, so
they were beating people up pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
And then Isaac Curtis the five yard bump rule and
changed the game.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
It did, so people throw the ball a lot more.
You need guys running on the Your linebackers have to
be able to run. You got to be able to
cover guys. I mean, look how much the defensive struggled
against running backs coming out of the backfield or running
backs just getting dumped off. If you can't run, those
guys are gonna go for tons of yards. And they're

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doing a better job with all that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Yeah, the screen passes that just murdered this team, and
the misdirection, some of that's getting solved right now.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
Well, even tight ends, you gotta be able to run.
Have a linebacker. And yeah, McBride had ten catches, but
he had seventy six yards and I think I think
four or five came on the last drive whims Old.
The whole second team was in there. And if you
hold a guy to tank to seventy six yards on
ten catches, you've done pretty well, actually, particularly when he's

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your guy, your top guy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Thirteen targets, ten catches, seventy six yards, seven point six
a catch, a long game of eighteen and a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
So he is a tremendous player.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
Tremenz player. But they really slowed him down today and
they he wasn't really, he didn't impact the game like
he has in games.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Hey, let's go stick with the phones here, Ken and Mason,
Kenny Chick, how you doing tonight? Fantastic, it's been a while,
Ken go.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
One of the good.

Speaker 12 (01:12:21):
Guys in this world in Jim Breech. Jim, I want
to take you back to acceleration training with Rocky to
Colby and Greg to Colby. Oh my god, Jim Crumbrise,
Hal Morris and the King of acceleration training, Eric Thomas. Kick.
We were all kicking button back then in those days.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Oh awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (01:12:46):
About the button. Yeah, they were too. Hey, guys, don't
want to bring up one thing. The Bengals salary cap
is so unbalanced. I mean, they're gonna have a hard
time with free agency, kick just on the amount of
money they're paying the three main guys. You know, Henrickson's
money will free up a little bit, but that's still

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I don't know how many marquee free agents they're gonna
be able to afford.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
That's the reason they have to draft and develop so well.
They Like, you have a quarterback on a rookie deal,
you can fill in big time free agents and then
obviously that changes over time. Well, just like this on defense,
maybe you have one centerpiece, like Chris Jones was in

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Kansas City, and you kind of fill in around him
with a bunch of young guys that can play. We
weren't sure that was happening. Maybe we're starting to see
some of that happen in the defensive backfield. The linebackers
are playing better. They you know, these young linebackers have
played half of a season now or more, and it's
starting to click a little bit, and it's kind of

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exciting to see what's happening.

Speaker 12 (01:13:59):
I agree with you, You're right. I think DJ Turner
is going to be a heck FO player. I see
some improvement by a couple of other guys. But hey, guys,
let's be honest. They have not faced three great quarterbacks
in the last three games, and I still see Josh
Allen murder in them.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Yeah, they lost a tough one today. Uh they went
for the two point conversion, did not get it. Receiver
was open, but Josh just misfired. But they and they
fall today to.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
You know, in that game against Buffalo, they did it.
They did a decent job, and they ran the ball,
hit his legs and cooks. They really would beat them,
that's right. And Alan at the end of the game.
I part part of covering coverage is pressure. If your

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quarterback and stand back there and throw, I don't care
who you are, trying to cover somebody you can't. It's
hard to cover for five seconds and these guys are
going full speed, so well, you know, pressure on the
quarter go ahead.

Speaker 12 (01:15:07):
Well, and what you're saying, though, that's the two linebackers
in experience. I mean, a lot of that break down
with Allen's success was due to their line their young linebackers.

Speaker 13 (01:15:17):
You know, they still have a lot of.

Speaker 12 (01:15:20):
Holes they've got to fill on defense. I mean, I'm
you know, I think they're playing a little better, but
I wouldn't. It wouldn't make a whole lot. These last
three games not been against you know, like I said,
top flight offenses, you're right now.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
But they've played they played better against. They gave up
twenty four points against Baltimore, they gave up fourteen against
Pittsburgh a couple weeks before that. They did give up
with thirty two the next time they played him. But
so they've had four or five games in there, and
some of those against decent offenses that have shown improvement.

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You know, they they Gotti will stop the run and
they're getting better. Today they were, they were great. Everybody
was doing their job. There was no place for these
guys to go. And you know when you run a
deep when when these guys are where they're supposed to be,
it's hard to run the ball. So, yes, these last
two offenses weren't great. They're playing a rookie quarterback and actually,

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as they said earlier, I think Jacoby Brissett runs that
offense better than Kyler Murray does. But yeah, they have changed,
they've cut changes. They but you don't want to throw
everybody out that has made a jump this year, and
then all of a sudden say, okay, we're going to
start over. I think you have to go with the
guys that are improving and then figure out how you

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plug in guys in the areas where you really have need.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Well, the salary cap will go up. Plus if they
don't bring Trey back, they will have some money to
at least get one or two free agents. And uh,
we've got to run ken.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Always awesome hearing from you.

Speaker 12 (01:17:01):
All right, guys, have a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
All right, take care And just a reminder of fans
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to tell He wants you to tell the story again
about your number, how you went from ten to three.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
All right, So when the Bengals called I fly out,
they end up signing me and choose your number. Well,
I was three in college. I was five with the
Raiders because three was Daryl Lamonica and they wouldn't give
me three. So I went with five. And I get
here and they said, we don't have single digits. We

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started ten, and Chris Barr had been ten. I didn't
really want to be Chris Barr, especially since he had
just left right. Yeah, but I didn't really like the
other numbers, so I went with ten because that was
the lowest number available. And I told I said to
Tom Gray, if we ever go to single digits, I'd
like to have three.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
Well, Boomer gets drafted in eighty four. Part of his
contract negotiation is that he would get seven. So we
go to a single digit and I come in mini
camp and there's three hanging in my locker. It was
pretty I was pretty excited about that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
That is fantastic what a number does for a guy.
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
Yeah, and really for me. Three. My idol was Jan
stener Rude. When I was ten years old. I saw
him kicking the chamellia bowl. I followed him. I tried
to find out everything I could about him. And that
was my number because of Jan stener Ut So I
got a chance to wear it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Hey, let's go out through the phones and welcoming John
and Cedarville.

Speaker 14 (01:18:53):
John thy good afternoon, he recorded, and Jim.

Speaker 4 (01:19:01):
Hi, John, all right, Hey, this is what's your brother?

Speaker 14 (01:19:08):
This is why who they's supposed to feel like, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (01:19:12):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
Yes it is.

Speaker 14 (01:19:15):
Hey, I got a question for the two of you.
I don't know what the answer would be, but, uh,
we've seen go Flacco back to back weeks in a row,
and what's the chance of him playing against Cleveland and
being the quarterback that has played against both apponements?

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
That funny you should ask that because off the air,
Jim Breach said, wouldn't it be cool if he started
against against the uh Browns when he started against the
Bengals in the opener?

Speaker 4 (01:19:48):
Yeah, that's a good question. Well has it happened? I
don't know.

Speaker 14 (01:19:54):
Well that that flies through my mind and I thought
that too. Took about him starting and made be uh
uh Gardner Garner getting these backed against Joe Flacco and
and maybe keep Joe burrow Han's way. But uh, you
guys are talking about these guys should whether they should

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be playing or not be playing. Of course they should
be playing. It's like if I've got to go to
the grocery store for a loaf of bread, I shouldn't
go because I'm not getting the wreck, you know?

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Come on, Well, and they want to finish four and
two in the division. You know, a victory over Cleveland
will give him a four and two record in the division.

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
They want that and not three and three.

Speaker 14 (01:20:38):
It's possible they can make a deal on Draft Day
with Henderson too, if they don't want to resign him.
But I think the OSI the year. I hate to
say it, but you know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Well he'll be all He'll be a free agent, so
the Bengals won't have rights to him to make a
trade or anything on on draft Day.

Speaker 4 (01:21:00):
Even if they they would have, they would have had.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Yeah, they had to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Sign him and then attempted dealing franchise or franchise tagame,
I'm sorry, Yes, anyway, I want to give a shout
out here to court. It was awesome to have Corey
Kiner come back. Roger Bacon ls U University of Cincinnati

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and he started with the San Francisco forty nine ers
as an undrafted college free agent.

Speaker 4 (01:21:31):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
He was released with a with an injury I believe
to his ankle. Minnesota picked him up, he was on
their practice squad and then the Arizona Cardinals grabbed him.
So congratulations of Corey Kiner only had one carry today
for two yards, but he's getting paid.

Speaker 4 (01:21:49):
Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 25 (01:21:50):
Uh Hey Premier Stewart getting the first sat Absolutely, yes, rookie, Yes,
he finally way so I mean saying about his low
production of facts coming out of college. He's already got
one on the board in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
So it's a great sign. Yeah, that was great John.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
As always, we appreciate the call, and Happy New Year
to you.

Speaker 14 (01:22:21):
Happy new to your to you and Jim as well.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
Thank you, John, I appreciate.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Today's ruler of the Jungle was Drake Kirkpatrick, first round
Drea pick out of Alabama. And one of my favorite
stories is when I left the Bengals beat, I'm at
training camp at.

Speaker 3 (01:22:45):
The stadium and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Mike Zimmer, defensive coordinator, is meeting with Adam Jones and
Drake Kirkpatrick on the sideline and he sees me. He
stops and he starts walking toward me about ten twenty
yards shakes my hand.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
I'm there, unbelievable. I love Mike Zimmer.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
And when I had him on the air at WNE
in Dayton, at the end of the interview, he said, Chick,
need we need to talk more there? What are you
kidding me? How awesome was that. I love Mike Zimmer,
Oh gosh, guy absolutely loved him.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
Tough, tough, tough on the players, yes, but they loved
and respected him so much. You know. I remember Drake
Kirkpatrick's being the one they accepted and Monday night game accepted.
Peyton Manning ran back for a touchdown that was kind
of sealed that game.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
Fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
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Beckett Ridge, forty seven eighty two Plump Square in Westchester,
and we're breaking down the Bengals thirty seven to fourteen
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Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
How about the.

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where Amarius Mims, with a shin injury, was out for
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his way back, and I believe it was an ankle injury.

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And how tough is size ap rhyme that he went
out win sing but then comes back in place.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
The guy's an absolute warrior.

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
He is. How about the Blitz pickup.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
Oh my goodness, he lifted the.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
Guy right off the ground put him on his back.
It was just it was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
That was incredible, and and that led to a big
pass play.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
Down the left hand side of the Jasiki for twenty
twenty three yards.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
That was fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
And yes, he just crushed a guy and he was
really lifted up and put.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
On his back.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
He was I think the guy's head hit first the
Blitz pick up or his shoulder blades.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Yeah, just incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
It was pretty hot running back. I guarantee when they
watched that tomorrow, they're gonna they're gonna run that thing
back fifteen times, gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
That was beautiful and he had he not picked it up,
it would have been a sack.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
Who knows a sack fumble.

Speaker 4 (01:26:50):
Uh, Quarterbacks definitely appreciate that, no doubt.

Speaker 13 (01:26:54):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:26:54):
I was listening to Chase Brown in the post game
and he was talking about that how excited he was
for that pickup by Samaja.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
Yeah, that was incredible blitz pick up. It's so critical
for a running back, no doubt. Well, that is your
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looking at you know, just looking at some of the
statistics here, DJ Turner continues to impress and really I
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Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
Man Geno Stone with the whiff on uh.

Speaker 4 (01:27:50):
Sidelines. Yeah that it looked like the one against Pittsburgh
a few years ago where everybody thought that Le'Veon Bell
was going out of bounds and he just kept run
down the sideline and they just kind of stood there
and watched. He didn't stand there and watch, but hey
barely make contact with the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
You know, Dax Hill.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Three passes defense today, Just incredible effort.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
He's really coming on.

Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
He really is, and he's healthy. Yeah, it was really
helps because he struggled with position, what position do I play?
And staying healthy. Now he's he's staying healthy and playing
and he's showing him what he's capable of.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
We saw dj Ivy with a with a pass defense
and Barrett Carter did a nice job so as a linebacker.

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
So he figured they gave hip turning thirty three yards
for the game. Everybody did a nice job and ninety
two of those came in the last drive. So for
up until that last drive, it was one hundred and
forty one yards by the Cardinals, and the last drive
was against the second defense, second team defense, and it
took him fifteen plays at a fourth down to get

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in the end zone.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
So that's great because the depth played really.

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Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
Do we have Keith on the west side best side?

Speaker 26 (01:29:19):
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Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
At Gay Hotel.

Speaker 15 (01:29:28):
Grew up watching you.

Speaker 26 (01:29:30):
Bengal fan through the seventies eighties, All my life, my
wife and I. That's how we got married. She's a
diehard Bengal fan. Our first date. We've been married for
years and we've been just I got to tell you
it's an honor and a pleasure. I do want to
say I understand both sides of what you guys have
been talking about. These guys are getting paid. I love

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how Joe Burrow came out and said, hey man.

Speaker 22 (01:29:56):
I'm getting played to play football.

Speaker 26 (01:29:59):
That's my job. If I can, if I'm healthy, I
want to play. But I will say this, I saw
the look on Falco's face today when he went out
in the fourth quarter and got to get in that game.

Speaker 22 (01:30:13):
Forty years old, still.

Speaker 26 (01:30:14):
Playing the game like a kid. To me, it was
like watching backyard football, playground football. And you know, if
he can get in for another game or so and
just still play the game like a little kid and
have fun with it, that's what I think Joe Burrow
is trying to say. He wants to play the game
and have fun. And I will say this, I don't

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want to risk him, so I'm gonna agree with.

Speaker 14 (01:30:39):
The guy from Florida.

Speaker 26 (01:30:40):
I think his name was John, and he did say Falco,
so I'm gonna say Falco.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
One more time.

Speaker 15 (01:30:46):
Joe Falco behind Joe Burrow.

Speaker 26 (01:30:48):
Is one of the best things I've ever heard in
my life. I think it's hilarious, awesome because if you've
ever seen it.

Speaker 22 (01:30:55):
You know exactly what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
You guys are awesome.

Speaker 13 (01:30:58):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 4 (01:30:59):
Thanks for the fun call.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
Thanks so much.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
And yes, Joe Flacco or Falco, how about rushing for
a ten yard first play on his first play? Yes,
he had five attempts, three completions passing and I misspoke
there five yards on that run. His uh his long

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game pa first.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
Down though, But yes, yeah, I find it interesting. You
see Flacco and when Boomer came back, I think it
was ninety six, and how effortless they make it look,
and even Philip Rivers and his age that they make
it look effortless against these unbelievable players. As far as
where to throw the ball right, who to throw it to?

(01:31:47):
It looks easy, And I asked Boom. I remember asking
Boomer because the game looked like it was in slow
motion to him, he goes, you know, it's just I
see it. I see I'm to the point in my
career where it seems slow. It's so easy to see
what's going on. And that's what happens with these guys.
That's why Flacco can step in or rivers who just

(01:32:08):
step into an offense and perform so well. Eventually, with
all the stuff going on, you're gonna throw the ball
in the right spot.

Speaker 3 (01:32:18):
Everything slows down for those.

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Guys, and where the young guys. It's going to hare
miles an hour.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
We hyped this earlier in the show, at least I did. Jim,
I would like to address it, but the Sports Broadcasting
Act of nineteen sixty one protected college and high school
football from the what you call the NFL's incursion. And
Jay Busby if Yahoo Sports wrote about this, and that

(01:32:47):
mandated that the shield the NFL couldn't play Saturday games
before the second Saturday in December, and that's right when
college football's regular season ends.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
Nobody back in sixty.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
One could foresee the possibility of a massive multi weekend
playoff bracket that we've seen the last couple of weeks.
So there were a ton of college games on yesterday,
But what does the NFL do. They put two gate,
They put on a doubleheader the previous week.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
They did the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
The problem is a lot of these NFL games on
Saturdays now are on streaming services that a lot of
people do not get, Netflix, the NFL Network, Peacock, and
Amazon Prime.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
So you just wish that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Something could be worked out where we're seeing the college
games and we're also seeing the NFL games.

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
Yeah, yeah, you know, and you know all these streaming
services know what kind of response viewership the NFL brings, Yes,
wherever they have NFL wise, they're going to get a
huge hit. And if it's just somebody downloading it just
to watch their team, you know. And well, who who

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would have thought there was going to be thirty something
bowl games? Right, because when back in that back in
that time, there were there was January one Bowl games,
you know, Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Cotton Bowl.
That's pretty much it. There weren't many other I don't
think there were any other games.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
Yeah, and the goal was to finish like in the
top twenty in the country, so you could, you know,
put it, send your brochures out and for recruits and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
Well, now, gosh, everything has changed, and I'm wondering.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
Why it took so long to really have a college
football playoff in the the way it is now, you know,
with twelve teams, who knows if it'll expand to sixteen.

Speaker 4 (01:34:53):
Who knows what was going on with the bowl games. Yeah,
that they could hold it off for as long as
they did. You're right, yeah, yeah, internally you wonder.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
So with with the college football playoffs down to the quarterfinals.

Speaker 4 (01:35:07):
Now, who do you like? I think we talked. We
haven't had the game yet. You asked me this last week.
They haven't played yet.

Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
That's exact.

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
Yeah, again, it takes so long, there's that huge gap
in there.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
You're right, Well, it's Ohio State and Miami.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
I like Ohio State. Okay, I think Miami is going
to give them, you know, like you talked about the
guys on the end, maybe give the these tackles an issue.
But I don't think Miami can score a lot of points.
I think their offense struggles. They do have some speed,
but that defense of Ohio State is really good.

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
Yeah. They got a couple of players like Caleb Downs
that would.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
And they've got some white outs. I've heard that Ohio
State has a couple pretty good white outs. Have you
heard that?

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
And their quarterback complete like nine his passes. I think
it was.

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
Yeah, so I think they're gonna I think they're gonna
be just fine.

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
Well. And then a triple header on.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
New Year's Day, a day that I just absolutely love,
Oregon against Texas Tech.

Speaker 4 (01:36:17):
I mentioned last week. I'm going with Texas Tech.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
Yes, in honor of Joe Walter.

Speaker 4 (01:36:22):
Yeah, I'll do it in honor Joe Redder.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
Yes. And Alabama in Indiana.

Speaker 4 (01:36:29):
I gotta go with the Hoosiers. And what a great
story that is.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
Who would have ever imagined the day would come where
Indiana would be playing Alabama. Indiana the number one team
in the nation with a six and a half point
favorite over the Alabama Crimson Tide.

Speaker 4 (01:36:53):
Nobody, even three years ago, nobody would have thought that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
And then Jim in the All State Sugar Bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:37:02):
Maybe Kurt Signetty.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
Yes, that's right, I win Google me uh ole miss
in Georgia.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
I think Georgia looked really good in that SC Game
Championship game. I think George is gonna be a tough out.

Speaker 3 (01:37:21):
Yeah, it's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
Uh, We're gonna have to four days here, It's two days,
four games.

Speaker 4 (01:37:27):
It's really great.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
It's gonna be a blast. Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
Well, hey, let's go over the NFL scores from today,
and it all starts here with the one o'clock games.
The Bengals thirty seven to fourteen over the Arizona Cardinals.
How about the Browns at home? Can we go ahead
and say upsetting the Pittsburgh Steelers thirteen to six, and

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that sets up a showdown next week in Pittsburgh. Winner
take all Baltimore and Pittsburgh.

Speaker 4 (01:37:57):
Oh, I thought you were gonna say it's show out
between the Bengals and the Browns. Yes, yeah, I guess
you're right. It is the other one to win the division.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Yeah, that will be the Bengals final game at home
against the Cleveland Browns next week, and also the Steelers
versus the Ravens for.

Speaker 4 (01:38:15):
The AFC Sunday night game.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
Yeah, we'll see you if it hasn't been named already.
Saints were they thirty four to twenty six victory over
the Titans.

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
They've been playing better lately in Tennessee. Chris Olavey's been
killing it and shook Hug Chuck Chuck has been playing
really well. The rookie quarterback, yes from Louisville. He's been
playing really well.

Speaker 3 (01:38:42):
Titans at three and thirteen. Saints go to six and ten.

Speaker 4 (01:38:46):
Titans had a pretty good lead in that game.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
Yeah, fourteen to ten at half to or twenty to
ten at halftime, and they lose thirty four to twenty six.
Jacksonville Jaguars twenty three to seventeen over the Colts in
uh in Indianapolis.

Speaker 3 (01:39:05):
Colts at one time were eight and two. They're eight
and eight now.

Speaker 4 (01:39:09):
Yeah, they were up in that game too for the
most for most of the game.

Speaker 13 (01:39:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:39:14):
Yeah, Philip Rivers again played, he played, okay. They just
they're having trouble closing out games. That's it, you know,
and it's so you gotta build close games out right.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Dolphins are twenty to seventeen winners over the Buccaneers. That's huge,
and Ted I believe that makes Carolina the NFC South winners.

Speaker 4 (01:39:37):
I don't think so. I think they played this weekend
or one more game and it's whoever wins the game
is then.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
Yeah, the Panthers lost there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
At eight and eight, Buccaneers are at seven and nine,
so it's still that's still up for grants.

Speaker 4 (01:39:52):
ESCU and eight and nine can get in.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
Incredible Patriots unbelievable five touchdown pass from Drake May Forty
two to ten winners over the Jets in New Jersey.

Speaker 3 (01:40:06):
Well, he's played great, he really had.

Speaker 4 (01:40:08):
Mike Rabels did a phenomenal job there.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
Seahawks twenty seven to ten over the Panthers.

Speaker 4 (01:40:16):
They're really good Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
And with Donald Sam Darnold.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
And the New York Football Giants thirty four to ten
winners over the Raiders in Las Vegas.

Speaker 4 (01:40:31):
They have just give me Ravens the first pick. Yep,
it could be Fernando Mendows. They're going to Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
The Raiders and the Eagles eke out a thirteen to
twelve victory over the Bills in Buffalo, and Eagles led
thirteen to nothing, but the Bills, as always turn it
on late.

Speaker 4 (01:40:54):
Well, the Bills got stopped fourth and goal before they
even score a touchdown. Were down there and Josh Allen
came up just short and then they scored two teshdowns,
went for it. Shakira was wide open, and fortunately he
just said make a good throw.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
And the Eagles survived thirteen to twelve. Bills are at
eleven and five, and that's the Eagles record. Also, and
the Thursday games Cowboys over the Commanders thirty to twenty three,
and the Vikings knock out the Lions twenty three to ten,

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and the Broncos over the Chiefs twenty to thirteen.

Speaker 4 (01:41:33):
Mine are kind of some similarities to the Bengals, you know,
a phenomenal offense and their defensive struggles. Part of there
is just a lot of injuries.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
And yesterday's games Detexans over the Chargers twenty to sixteen.
Ravens crushed the Packers in Green Bay forty one to
twenty four, and that leads us to Monday night's game
the Rams at the Falcons and tonight's game at forty
nine Ers. That game is just just getting underway.

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
Brock Perry just do pick six?

Speaker 3 (01:42:06):
Did he really play the game? And the Bears go
six to nothing?

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
Well, Jim and many thanks to all the folks here
are Server Macy just fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:42:19):
He was awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
All the great folks here at Wings and Rings, Beckett
Ridge and on behalf of my partner Jim Breach and
today's engineer Mike Mills, and our producers back in the studio,
Liam Tomlinson and Danny Gleeson. This is the Chickster chick
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