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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Proby Billy Cunningham, the Great American and once again a
lot of fast breaking events. A couple hours ago, Ambassador
of Mike Waltz, the US Ambassador in the UN, laid
out the case against Maduro. And it's interesting how just
about three months ago Maduro, the leader of Venezuela, talked about, hey, gringo,
come get me. If you think you can get me
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out of here, come get me, kind of fafo. And
he found out what happened. Joining you and I now
is brad winstrip He's now a private citizen, but he
spent about twelve years in the Congress. As you know,
he's a colonel retired US military, fought in the Rock.
And also in February he was appointed to President Trump's
Intelligence Advisory Board. And brad Winstrop, welcome again to the
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Bill Cunningham Show. And can you kind of lay out
the case as to why we did what we did
on Saturday morning Friday night against Maduro? Layout the case?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, I mean, essentially it comes down to several main things.
Is for the safety of America, the security of America,
the well being of America, and for prosperity for the
American people. And what's happening within our hemisphere is a
problem that we need to be concerned about. Then you
can go back to the Row doctrine. Then they had
concerns about this, that we need to protect our hemisphere,
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that it needs to belong to us. I mean, And
basically what we did is this mission was a combination
of military and law enforcement, no doubt, but it was
to an extract and indicted criminal with criminal charges on
drug offenses. And it was a tremendous success. And I
think it's important to take a second back. And I
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guess maybe it's my military side that wants to brag
about this, but there was no loss of American lives.
They've suppressed their air defense, they cut their power, they
got past guards and nikely Cuban defense. We operated from
twenty bases using a H fifty aircraft. And you know,
the guy wakes up, the basically unelected leader of Venezuela
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wakes up in the morning and he's in his home
and in the afternoon he's in New York in a courtroom.
You know, this guy was indicted on drugs, weapons, human trafficking.
He defied election results. Gonzalez Edmundo Gonzalez was a clear winner.
It's basically a post election coup with communists type of support.
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He's a leader of what they call cartelov sons dealing
in cocaine and machine guns. But you know, from our
standpoint for the United States, this isn't this isn't just
drugs alone. I get that, and that's important to note,
but that was a big part of it. But you know,
as a country after nine to eleven, we lost three
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thousand people, sadly, and we went to war for twenty
years under the Biden years, losing over one hundred thousand
Americans to overdoses between ages eighteen to forty five. It's
killing our next generation. And nothing was done or even
said about it. Another Biden administration for Madua, they had
a twenty five million dollar bounty on him if someone
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can bring him in, but yet they did nothing. And
so we're here, we are, We've got precedents. You've got
people now yelling, oh, Trump can't just take us to war.
This wasn't an action of war. And some people in
Congress need know the difference. And not only that, this
is not much different at all with what was done
previously with Noriega and Panama under George H. W. Bush,
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Noriega was not recognized as a leader of the country.
There is Maduro. But we need to stabilize the Western
hemisphere from all this influence. And at the time of
the Monroe Doctor and it was more the European colonies,
we were concerned about them colonizing more. But now we're
talking about communist countries basically coming in and de facto
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colonizing countries. But you know, you saw Kennedy actoring the
Cuban missile crisis. President Obama had a kill list. He
actually killed American citizens, right, he did Milwaukee, and he
just did that. And where were the voices yelling about
that as they are now? When we did something, it
was clearly in the interest of the American people and
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for our country itself. There's a difference between more war
and a military and law enforcement action that protects the
US interests in our citizens. You know, was Reagan not
supposed to go into Grenada to protect the United States
citizens there in nineteen eighty three? Right, of course not.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
And I have a long list of Obama. What Obama
did in five or six different nations. He deployed almost
one thousand drones killed many American citizens. When it came
time to have some recompense for a cobbo Afghanistan that
disastrous would draw. You were in Congress at the time,
and he received some obamas. He received some information about
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some end of I'm sorry this is Joe Biden received
some information about the terrorists who were responsible for the
terrible events at the airport, and uh Biden and Harris
vaporized about twenty people, half of whom were children by
mistake by using drones. They got some bad intelligence and
killed a whole bunch of innocent people in Afghanistan. And
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there was no calls by the Democrats against Biden whatsoever.
But getting back to Venezuela, you were on the Intelligence
Committee and the Congress, you're on the President's Intelligence Advisory Board.
Now talk about Hesbelah, which I found incredible. Years ago,
it was reporting that Hesbelah had locations in Venezuela along
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with China. They were meeting with the ambassador to Venezuela
just a few hours before the arrest, and also Iran.
So this this isn't just South America. This is a base.
It is China, and it's Iran. Explain that to the
American people.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, why is this okay? And why are you willing
to turn a blind eye about it. Look, some of
the cries that are are coming from leaders of communist
countries or those that are in affiliation with communist countries.
They're the ones that have something to lose here, because
they have everything to gain by being engaged with dictators
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in countries, taking their natural resources, doing all these things
so that they can have dominance within the world. And well,
as the Monroe doctors said, not in this hemisphere, and
Donald Trump is sticking with that. Teddy Roosevelt was behind
it as well, we're actually doing something about it. But
you're right. January second of twenty twenty six, Maduro is
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meeting with the Special Envoy of the Chinese President. It's
so obvious what is going on. And you know, I've
seen some Democrats give very poised responses, but very few,
and most suggests it's always about Donald Trump and whatever
Donald Trump does, we're against. Well, this is for the
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American people, and I think that there is more agreement
to what has taken place than meets the eye. And
I think that Mike Wallaz did a good job today
already depending us in the in the UN, and so
what is next. What is next with this is, you know,
we have to be steadfast and we have to be
resolved in our efforts. And this carries the Cuba to Nicaragua,
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to other places that are in a similar situation. And
we're going to give diplomacy a chance, just like Maduro
had he had the opportunity. He had the opportunity. Maybe
he thought we were kidding when taking out the drug boats,
but we weren't. We offered diplomacy. He said, no, thank you, Well,
we weren't kidding. We have leverage right now, We have
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leverage by our successes success. They are success in ram
that this president says what he means, and we're doing
it for the betterment of the American people in the
long run and for the betterment of the Venezuelan people
in this case as well. And you've seen other statements
being made. President Trump is trying to help the betterment
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of the Iranian people with moving forward. So we say
what we mean is to succeed in what we're doing.
And we need to see that ministers resign, not just
go into hiding. The ministers and the Venezuelan government need
to resign from their posts, and that might include their
defense minister, they're interior minister, or maybe they say we're
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willing to come around. We should have a good military
to military relationship established and we'll see what the new
vice president while now President Rodriguez, what takes place with
this new president and willing to change to say, I
am not Hugo shap or Maduro. I'm willing to make
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some changes here. Let's have some conversation. Dismantle the whole
affiliation with the Cartel of Sons, which Maduro was a
big part of. He had protection from them, he had
protections from the Cubans, he's got Chinese affiliates. All of
these things need to be abandoned or they'll probably continue
to see some type of action and they need to
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understand that it can and will take place. But I
think they should be willing to give Diplumbacy a chance
by what they've just seen last couple of days.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
And Colonel Winstrip, we had a conversation reported by the
President about two three weeks ago in which he spoke
to Maduro and he laid out what was going to happen.
He said you're going to you're indict it, We're going
to seek your removal. We're going to seek your arrest.
And he kind of laughed about that. Come get me.
And then the President had called Airdwan, who's the leader
of Turkey, and he said to Maduro, look, if you
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want to get out of town, we'll provide a plane.
You take a plane. You can go to Istanbul. You
can live in opulence, much like the leader of Syria
Assad is now living in Russia. You can get the
hell out of Dodge. Stop the drug trafficking, quit killing Americans,
quit dealing with Hesbelah, ignore what the Chinese are doing
with the illegal orders, et cetera, and you can get
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out of town and go to Turkey. So the president
went so far Trump to say, we have arranged for
you to leave, and if you don't go, there's going
to be consequences. And that's when Maduro said to Trump,
come get me. Speak operationally. Maduro and his wife lived
on a huge military base in the middle and a
giant structure, and there were hundreds of soldiers all around him.
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When I woke up Saturday morning and I saw that,
I said, this is impossible. This is like that movie
Air Force one and when somebody was extracted from a
from a from the Kremlin and taken and tried, and
I'm thinking, you got to be kidding me. Can you speak,
as a former colonel as far as operationally, what did
Delta Force have to do to get to the point
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of putting him in handcuffs flying him and his wife
out of the country. Operationally what happened?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Well, obviously details of these types of things you don't
want to talk about, nor do I know all of
the details, but I know the premise of what you
need to do and that you need to take them
off guard. So some of the actions that were taken
were to suppress their air defenses. You cut their power.
That's always a big, big factor in having success. You know,
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our special forces are very well designed and equipped to
do things like get past the enemy lines. And in
this case, you also likely very well know the layout
of where you're about to go. Just like when we
went in and got Bin Lauden. We do prepare, and
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as has been reported, this preparation has been going on
for some time. So it wasn't like, hey, look we tried,
now let's try and make a military plan. These types
of things are already in place for a long time.
Our intelligence is obviously very good to know exactly what
we needed to do and to pull it off flawlessly.
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And this is something that all of Americas should be
celebrating as a nation. You know, if you think about
when we tried to get the hostages out of Iran
that were there for four hundred and forty four days
and that mission failed in the desert, and here this
is pulled off tremendously, as was the bin laden rain.
But we did this without any loss of life, at
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least on our end, and without a loss of life.
We actually extracted who we wanted so that it could
stand trial. This is amazing. This is this is not
what Obama did. Obama didn't extract people to stand trial.
And these were US citizens killed them. Yeah, so you know,
we really do need to look back and say thank
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you to our brave Americans on all fronts. Again, this
was law enforcement as well as military combined. They made
an arrest, is what they did. You know, a lot
of times countries will arrest somebody for the United States
or for another country so that they can be brought
back to that country for trial. That wasn't going to
happen because he took over the country basically threw a
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coup after the election, and so this was the only
way it was going to happen. And he wasn't willing
to face charges or even accept a deal where he
could live in luxury somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
They offered him, and he said, you can't do this.
I'm the president. I'm in the middle of a Venezuelan
military base. I have a safe room in my house
with steel doors where it's reporting that Delta Force, which
by the way, had replicas built in Kentucky in the
military base in Kentucky's so they practiced and practice and
practice with blow torches. They were going to use blow
torches to extricate him from a behind the steel door.
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So they had everything planned out. Before he could shut
the door with mister and missus Madora, Delta Force handcuffed him,
handcuffed her. And this morning I see he appeared in
federal court in New York City. A quarter pointed attorney
has been taken over. And if I'm the leader of
Columbia or Cuba, I'm thinking, oh my god, what's next?
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And so I don't know what's next, and for the
media to say, well, what happens the day after? Many
times the day after is a disaster, much like in
Afghanistan or in Iraq where you served. Can you give
us a minute or two on the day after. So
here we are a couple of days after and three
four days from now. What's going to be happening in Venezuela.
Whatever happens is going to be better than otherwise if
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Madora was still in charge. But how do you answer
the question, since you're on the President's Intelligence Advisory board,
what is next? What is that going to happen? In
a week, a month, and a year, what's going to happen?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well, this is me just speaking for myself on this,
but you know, we hope that there doesn't lead to
violent eruptions within the country, and I hope that those
with foreign influence within Venezuela back down. You know, we
haven't heard from the Chinese special envoy who was just
with Maduro. We haven't. We haven't heard from those type
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of people, so uh, there, that'd be best to just
sort of step aside and walk away rather than trying
to repress the Venezuelan people even further. With with some
actions that may may be taken. So I think if
we make it very clear that we're willing to have diplomacy,
then maybe there'll be some peace, uh for for a
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little bit. And amongst the confusion, I mean, it has
to be terribly confusing within that country who's in charge.
You're seeing some protests by some pro Maduro people, but
the people that aren't our staying in their in their
homes still and they yeah smartly doing some of that.
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But I think that through diplomacy maybe we can make
some strong suggestions that some people either change their tune
or resign, as I was talking about. So let's hope
that those things happen. The cooler heads prevail and others
take warning and don't try and blow fire at the
United States of America.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Colonel Reinstrip, thank you very much for coming this Monday
afternoon on the Bill Cunningham Show. The future is brighter
with the president we have and brad Winstrip, thank you
very much, and may God bless you and God bless America.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Thank you. Bill.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
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