November 6, 2025 • 18 mins
Willie talks with Congressman Thomas Massie of Kentucky about the shutdown, and the career of former Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Bill Cunningham, the Great America, And what does US congressman
do when nothing is in session? Of course, I think
when the Congress is not in session that's a good thing.
But nonetheless, on a shutdown, I'm joining you and I
alis Congressman Thomas Massey from Northern Kentucky Congress and Massey,
welcome again into Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, congratulations.
(00:26):
I think women are meant to be alone. I think
men are not meant to be alone. In the passing
of your wife, I met her a couple of times,
a darling woman. A man should not be alone. And
I want to congratulate you on the marriage recently to
another fine woman, and may you two live long and prosper.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Congratulations. Well, thank you so much, Bill. She's a wonderful woman.
And God did make this earth for man and woman
to be together in marriage.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
And I'm happy to be married again. It's an ex thing.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I function a lot better with a companion and a
life partner, and I think that's because my marriage to
my late wife, who passed away unexpectedly, was such a
great marriage that I would just love to have something
like that again.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
And I've got it in Carolyn, she's a great lady.
You know, you're a relatively young feller. But in my age,
I have noticed the passing of many and women do
well without their men. They have other tribes, they go
to other women. But I've noticed that men almost always
get married. They meet someone or whatever, and they get
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married quickly. Because we were born of women, we were
raised by women. We marry women, and our final days
will be cared for by women. And if women were
not around, Number one, I'm not sure would work biologically.
If women were not around, men were still being trees
throwing spears at each other. And women are the foundation
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of every nation. And without women, the life would not
be worth living. And I haven't met Carolyn yet. I'd
love to do that. I think the media says she
worked for Senator r and Paul for a while. Another
one of my faves and congratulations has get onto the issues.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, one quick thing. You know, my late wife and
we raised four wonderful children. And the first thing I
did before I started dating again, because the closest thing
that I have on this planet to my late wife
is my children, and the relationship with them is so
important to me. The first thing I did before I
went on the first date. Is I went and asked
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my daughter's permission and they endorsed it. They said, Dad,
you need to date. You need to find somebody, and
mom would want you to be happy. We talked to
her about this scenario before she passed, and this is
what she wanted. And so some people are saying a
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year and a half is too soon. I don't think
it is. My kids don't think it is. There was
somebody on the internet that was worried about my children.
By the way, they're all adults and they're all married.
We've got three grand kids now. And my daughter told
me yesterday, she said, you know, if these people are
really worried about us, they could send us some checks.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I don't think they're worried.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
They want to.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
They're the cheap shot artist who live miserable lives, the
keyboard warriors in their basement, who have.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
No friends, no family.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
They want to bring other people down to their level
of unhappiness. And I wouldn't pay one bit of attention
to them at all.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
The other thing is people were like, well, how did
he end up dating, engaged in marriage and married so quickly.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
It's because you know.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I talked to our pastor once when we got engaged,
and he said, you know, long engagements are the devil's
playground and you should get married as soon as possible.
And having, you know, having been through it before, I
wasn't afraid to ask for her hand in marriage.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I asked her father first. And it did.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Proceed fairly quickly from engagement to marriage, and that's a
good thing. I would encourage young people not to wait
around until they're you know, thirty or forty, no, or
to date for ten years, you know, before they either
get married or buveon.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Look, you can figure this out pretty quickly. I think, well,
you know, today's different than it was. And dating, I
don't know if a fifty six fifty year old congressman date,
I don't know what you call it. I'm happy for
you as a person. But young men and young boy,
it's scared you put yourself out there. It's can you
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young men don't get married until they're thirty one. Young
women we had to talk about politics, but until they're
thirty years old. And my when I got married, everyone
who when you were twenty twenty one years old, whoever
you were dating with, you got married, and today you
don't get married. And men are brutalized by the system
quite often by asking a young woman out. You don't dating.
(05:05):
Nobody ask anybody out. You got to get online, all
that kind of crap. It is not the way God
meant it to be. And man should be with a woman,
a woman should be with a man. And I'm happy
for you as a person.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
On the politics, you and I. I mean, young men
are in deep trouble. Young men go to prison, young
men don't have relationships. How about this. Fifty five percent
of young men in the past one year has not
asked a woman on a date. And it's just it's
a scary situation. And girls are looking for boys and
women are looking for men. And to have you two,
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you and Carolyn hook up and find each other and
get permission of your daughter. That's your kids want nothing
but the best for their dad. And that's what you're.
That's what you're. Your first wife would have won it.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And so it's the most The relationship with my children
is the most important fundamental relationship I have. And uh,
you know, because I want grandparent rights in the world.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
But it's better to have grandchildren than children. I can,
I can. I can attest to that.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Well, when you hold your first grand child on your hands,
it's describe the first time you met your first grand
when you held your grand baby in your arms.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Describe that. Oh he just melted my heart.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Uh, you know, I went back to having my first
child and it was so wonderful.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
But I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
He's a little boy, and there's nothing better than when
they get to about two or three years old and
they love their papa and they want to visit their
papa and you can FaceTime. I FaceTime with you yesterday.
It's just the best thing. It's like they say, if
I'd known how great grandkids where I would have had
those first.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well, I can't tell how many times Cole and Avery
ran down and said, Mommy and Daddy, I want to
go to Poppy and Ona's house. And they said, you
were just there last night. I want to go back.
I want to see Poppy. It's like, and you got that.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
He calls me papal aut because I have apple trees
that he likes to.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
All right, can we talk about politics on the Yeah,
I guess so this is more important than politics.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Look into my left.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Speaking about the glories of Nancy Pelosi, the greatest Speaker
of the House ever, the speaker emeritis, all the things
she's accomplished. You've been there for about the last on
ten twelve years. Can you think of any serious accomplishments
of a positive character that Nancy Pelosi has ever done
other than destroy San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Well, she gives good stock tips.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I hear a lot of brokerage firms aren't going to
know where to turn their customers after this. But I
tweeted today, I wish a long and happy retirement to
the congresswoman who called me a dangerous nuisance when I
forced Congress to vote on the two trillion dollar Cares
Act into the congresswoman who find me five hundred dollars
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for not wearing a mask on the floor of the House.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
But you know it's it is the end of an error,
I mean era in Congress.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
So you you and I missed your leadership at all.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
No, I did one time calculate.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I'm sure this has changed because the overall debt's gone up,
but I one time calculated that she had overseen forty
percent of all the debt incurred in the history of
the United States, because it is the Congress that has
the power of the perse. I know, people like to say,
you know, Bill Clinton, George Bush, you know Donald Trump,
Joe Biden did this with the deficit. But the reality
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is Congress is the one who passes the spending bill,
and the Speaker of the House is the leader of that.
And at one time she was responsible for Under her
leadership as speaker, Congress racked up forty percent of all
the debts since the beginning of the country. Now I'm
sure that's probably down to thirty percent because all the
overall debt has gone up, and we can attribute some
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of it to my Hutson.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Now sure, and when I look at the you know,
the numbers in twenty oh one, so you go from
seventeen eighty eight to the first term of George Washington,
seventeen eighty eight to two thousand and one, the cumula
national debt was about five trillion dollars. Now it's thirty
eight trillion. And that entire time she's been in the Congress,
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and the bulk of the time as the speaker, causing
the debt to explode.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
And she's to be complimented for that.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
No, not at all, but it is it is under
her watch, and so that that's one of the things
that should be.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Written in history about her, I hope. Now.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Secondly, the other issue happening right now, and it's a
serious one, is to shut down Forty airports are on
the list, including CVG where we live in Cincinnati, and
it's going to ratchet up. Can you tell the American
people how is it possible that the House would pass
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without your approval? I think the Continuing Resolution the cr
which continue the spending of Joe Biden. The Congress, the
Republicans said let's do that, and the Senate refuses to act.
Can you, first of all explain your vote and thirdly
explain what's going on?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Well, the you know, I give the Republicans credit for
holding their ground and not caving to the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
But here's why it's easy for them to hold their ground.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
The opening offer was Joe Biden's budget, and so the
Democrats look fairly unreasonable for not approving Joe Biden's budget.
I'm not voting for Joe Biden's budget, and I can
tell you so. The question your listeners probably have is, Okay,
Congressman Massy, how would you get us out of this mess.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
What would you vote for?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
And I'll tell you what I would vote for and
what I have voted for in the past, and how
we could get out of this mess.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
You march us back to Congress. Mike Johnson should call
us back.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
There's no reason for us to be in recess right
now just because there's a shutdown.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
We go back.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Let's pass the bill that funds the air traffic controllers.
Let's pass the bill that pays the soldier salaries, and
let's pass the bill that pays for everything at the VA.
Let's do wic Let's do food stamps. I would cut
out to sugary drinks. This would be a great time
to do it. And let's start passing individual bills for
the things that ninety percent of Americans need or want.
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And then what you're going to end up with is
a shutdown of the EPA. Maybe you'll end up with
a shutdown of the ATF. And then what we'll realize
is we don't really miss those departments. We could cut
them by fifty percent, or maybe cut them all together well,
and throwing the Department of Education in there too.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Just send all that money back to the states.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Let the states decide how to teach children in the
parents and the school boards.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Send the money from the budget of the Department of
Education back to the States. Education will be better off.
What's the state of education since Jimmy Carter signed the
Department of Education bill?
Speaker 4 (12:07):
And it's grown exponentially since then.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
What's the status of public education since the Department of
Education was created?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
How are we looking?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Well?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Well, I don't know how old you are, a bill,
but I feel really bad that you didn't get a
good education because I'm pretty sure that they tried to
educate you before they had a federal Department of Education. Look,
it came into existence when I was in the fourth grade.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
It was I think I was about in the fourth grade.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It would have been nineteen eighty when it came into
existence because it was a re election ploy by Jimmy
Carter who was trying to get the teachers' unions and
whatnot to vote for him.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
And we're stuck with it forever.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I've got a bill I introduce every Congress to get
rid of the Department of Education. I don't want to
spend less money on students. I would spend more money
on students, but the problem is the federal Department Education
only responsible for about a ten percent of the education funding,
but they withhold that with all these requirements on the
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states and the school boards, and they've doubled the administrative
load just to keep up with all the federal regulations
on education.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
They do.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
They don't write textbooks, they don't teach classes.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
They don't add to the education of our children.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
At the Federal Department of Education, you've got about four
thousand bureaucrats making one hundred thousand dollars a year. They
make more than teachers. They don't teach. Give that money
back to the states. That's what I would do. You're
making too much sense. Getting back to the shutdown. I
am serious about the solution, and this is mandated in
nineteen seventy four Congressional Budget Act. We are supposed to
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be passing individual bills that would, for instance, pay the
air traffic controllers or pay the military.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And let's go back. Let's pass the ones that we
can all agree on. They would pass with bipartisan ma Joy,
you wouldn't have to worry about whether you get sixty
votes or not. In the Senate.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
You get two thirds or eighty percent. I have even
voted for some of these bills in the past. When
they're fiscally responsible and fund individual things like the Veterans
administration or transportation needs. That's how you get out of
this mess. But here's a dirty little secret in Washington,
d C. They want one big giant bill. When they
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get through this cr thing, they'll do a couple of
crs and then they're going to want to do an omnibus.
And that's what the lobbyists love because with an omnibus,
you can stick your stuff in there. And if members
of Congress don't vote for the whole big enchilada, they
get blamed for a shutdown, and they don't want to
be blamed for a shutdown. So the lobbyists know that
the people in DC that want to fund the State
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Department and USAID, they know eighty percent of Americans don't
want their tax dollars going overseas, but they got to
attach it to the veterans, to the military pay, and
to air traffic controllers in order to get what they want.
Let's break the cycle past separate bills and then you
won't have any delays or shortages at CBG.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
But the Democrats want to want to prove out in
the Senate. They want control over the budget, and they
think they had success on Tuesday when they had this
perceived democratic great success. They think the Republicans are on
the run because Democrats won in New York City, in
New Jersey, Virginia, and California, which I think are Democratic strongholds.
But the media is picturing this is the end of
the Trump era. Did you see this as a repudiation
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of the ideas of Thomas Massey and Donald Trump?
Speaker 4 (15:36):
How did you read the election?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Listen, every election sometimes you can draw general conclusions from it,
but every election's got its own issues and its own candidates.
And I think it's unfair to draw conclusions from a
purple state that leans blue and from a dark blue city.
You know you're never going to have a Republican anymore,
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probably win New York City, or even a reasonable Democrat.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I do think that we need to get.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Our own house in order in the Republican Party if
we don't want to see the midterms go the other direction.
We need to do things like return country of origin
labeling on beef. We need to do things like releasing
the Epstein files to show that we're serious about going
after sex traffickers and having equal protection under the law
for victims.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
We need to, you know, follow through with the Doge cuts.
We need to quit sending the foreign eight overseas.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
If we would just do a maybe half a dozen
of these things we promised in our campaigns, we'll be
fine in the midterms and we'll keep the majority. I
don't think you can infer too much from New York
City and the state of Virginia and New Jersey, but
you can look at some of the places where we
have dropped the ball and we can say we can
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do better, and we better do better, or we're going
to see a loss of the majority in the midterms.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Lastly, some Tom Massey, Northern Kentucky. You're being targeted by
Donald Trump himself with a weak candidate against you, are you?
Are you concerned not having Trump's support in Trump Country?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Well, what I am.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Trump has an eighty five percent approval rating, and guess what,
I vote with the Republican Party ninety one percent of
the time. I don't think people in Kentucky want a
rubber stamp, even if it is a rubber stamp for
what Trump's doing. I think everybody acknowledges. He you know,
he may be wrong nine percent of the time. And
so that's what I represent, an independent voice.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I'm not. And here's why they're going to spend ten
or twenty million dollars against me.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
It's because they're trying to scare the other Republican congressman
in Washington, d c.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Into being rubber stamps. It's kind of working. They are scared.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
But this is a referendum on whether you can go
up there and vote your conscience and vote for your people,
or whether you just got to go up there and
vote for whatever the White House sends you. Uh.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And I think I think we're going to win.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
The guy i'm running against, he's been in one race
in his life. He lost his race for state Senate,
and he's going to lose a race for Congress.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I'm not sure what he's going to do after that.
Maybe podcast.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, Well, whatever it's worth, you have my support of
that's worth a nickel. And once again, Congressman Tom ten
cents twice as much as I think Tom Madison, congratulations
on your recent marriage and may God bless you and
God bless America.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Thank you very much, God, Thank you God.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Bless Thank you Bill.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Let's continue with more news next. You're home of the
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Bill Cunningham, the Great America, And what does US congressman
do when nothing is in session? Of course, I think
when the Congress is not in session that's a good thing.
But nonetheless, on a shutdown, I'm joining you and I
alis Congressman Thomas Massey from Northern Kentucky Congress and Massey,
welcome again into Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, congratulations.
(00:26):
I think women are meant to be alone. I think
men are not meant to be alone. In the passing
of your wife, I met her a couple of times,
a darling woman. A man should not be alone. And
I want to congratulate you on the marriage recently to
another fine woman, and may you two live long and prosper.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Congratulations. Well, thank you so much, Bill. She's a wonderful woman.
And God did make this earth for man and woman
to be together in marriage.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
And I'm happy to be married again. It's an ex thing.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I function a lot better with a companion and a
life partner, and I think that's because my marriage to
my late wife, who passed away unexpectedly, was such a
great marriage that I would just love to have something
like that again.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
And I've got it in Carolyn, she's a great lady.
You know, you're a relatively young feller. But in my age,
I have noticed the passing of many and women do
well without their men. They have other tribes, they go
to other women. But I've noticed that men almost always
get married. They meet someone or whatever, and they get
(01:39):
married quickly. Because we were born of women, we were
raised by women. We marry women, and our final days
will be cared for by women. And if women were
not around, Number one, I'm not sure would work biologically.
If women were not around, men were still being trees
throwing spears at each other. And women are the foundation
(02:00):
of every nation. And without women, the life would not
be worth living. And I haven't met Carolyn yet. I'd
love to do that. I think the media says she
worked for Senator r and Paul for a while. Another
one of my faves and congratulations has get onto the issues.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, one quick thing. You know, my late wife and
we raised four wonderful children. And the first thing I
did before I started dating again, because the closest thing
that I have on this planet to my late wife
is my children, and the relationship with them is so
important to me. The first thing I did before I
went on the first date. Is I went and asked
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my daughter's permission and they endorsed it. They said, Dad,
you need to date. You need to find somebody, and
mom would want you to be happy. We talked to
her about this scenario before she passed, and this is
what she wanted. And so some people are saying a
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year and a half is too soon. I don't think
it is. My kids don't think it is. There was
somebody on the internet that was worried about my children.
By the way, they're all adults and they're all married.
We've got three grand kids now. And my daughter told
me yesterday, she said, you know, if these people are
really worried about us, they could send us some checks.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I don't think they're worried.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
They want to.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
They're the cheap shot artist who live miserable lives, the
keyboard warriors in their basement, who have.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
No friends, no family.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
They want to bring other people down to their level
of unhappiness. And I wouldn't pay one bit of attention
to them at all.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
The other thing is people were like, well, how did
he end up dating, engaged in marriage and married so quickly.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
It's because you know.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I talked to our pastor once when we got engaged,
and he said, you know, long engagements are the devil's
playground and you should get married as soon as possible.
And having, you know, having been through it before, I
wasn't afraid to ask for her hand in marriage.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I asked her father first. And it did.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Proceed fairly quickly from engagement to marriage, and that's a
good thing. I would encourage young people not to wait
around until they're you know, thirty or forty, no, or
to date for ten years, you know, before they either
get married or buveon.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Look, you can figure this out pretty quickly. I think, well,
you know, today's different than it was. And dating, I
don't know if a fifty six fifty year old congressman date,
I don't know what you call it. I'm happy for
you as a person. But young men and young boy,
it's scared you put yourself out there. It's can you
(04:43):
young men don't get married until they're thirty one. Young
women we had to talk about politics, but until they're
thirty years old. And my when I got married, everyone
who when you were twenty twenty one years old, whoever
you were dating with, you got married, and today you
don't get married. And men are brutalized by the system
quite often by asking a young woman out. You don't dating.
(05:05):
Nobody ask anybody out. You got to get online, all
that kind of crap. It is not the way God
meant it to be. And man should be with a woman,
a woman should be with a man. And I'm happy
for you as a person.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
On the politics, you and I. I mean, young men
are in deep trouble. Young men go to prison, young
men don't have relationships. How about this. Fifty five percent
of young men in the past one year has not
asked a woman on a date. And it's just it's
a scary situation. And girls are looking for boys and
women are looking for men. And to have you two,
(05:38):
you and Carolyn hook up and find each other and
get permission of your daughter. That's your kids want nothing
but the best for their dad. And that's what you're.
That's what you're. Your first wife would have won it.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
And so it's the most The relationship with my children
is the most important fundamental relationship I have. And uh,
you know, because I want grandparent rights in the world.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
But it's better to have grandchildren than children. I can,
I can. I can attest to that.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Well, when you hold your first grand child on your hands,
it's describe the first time you met your first grand
when you held your grand baby in your arms.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Describe that. Oh he just melted my heart.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Uh, you know, I went back to having my first
child and it was so wonderful.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
But I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
He's a little boy, and there's nothing better than when
they get to about two or three years old and
they love their papa and they want to visit their
papa and you can FaceTime. I FaceTime with you yesterday.
It's just the best thing. It's like they say, if
I'd known how great grandkids where I would have had
those first.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well, I can't tell how many times Cole and Avery
ran down and said, Mommy and Daddy, I want to
go to Poppy and Ona's house. And they said, you
were just there last night. I want to go back.
I want to see Poppy. It's like, and you got that.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
He calls me papal aut because I have apple trees
that he likes to.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
All right, can we talk about politics on the Yeah,
I guess so this is more important than politics.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Look into my left.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Speaking about the glories of Nancy Pelosi, the greatest Speaker
of the House ever, the speaker emeritis, all the things
she's accomplished. You've been there for about the last on
ten twelve years. Can you think of any serious accomplishments
of a positive character that Nancy Pelosi has ever done
other than destroy San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Well, she gives good stock tips.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I hear a lot of brokerage firms aren't going to
know where to turn their customers after this. But I
tweeted today, I wish a long and happy retirement to
the congresswoman who called me a dangerous nuisance when I
forced Congress to vote on the two trillion dollar Cares
Act into the congresswoman who find me five hundred dollars
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for not wearing a mask on the floor of the House.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
But you know it's it is the end of an error,
I mean era in Congress.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
So you you and I missed your leadership at all.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
No, I did one time calculate.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
I'm sure this has changed because the overall debt's gone up,
but I one time calculated that she had overseen forty
percent of all the debt incurred in the history of
the United States, because it is the Congress that has
the power of the perse. I know, people like to say,
you know, Bill Clinton, George Bush, you know Donald Trump,
Joe Biden did this with the deficit. But the reality
(08:38):
is Congress is the one who passes the spending bill,
and the Speaker of the House is the leader of that.
And at one time she was responsible for Under her
leadership as speaker, Congress racked up forty percent of all
the debts since the beginning of the country. Now I'm
sure that's probably down to thirty percent because all the
overall debt has gone up, and we can attribute some
(08:59):
of it to my Hutson.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Now sure, and when I look at the you know,
the numbers in twenty oh one, so you go from
seventeen eighty eight to the first term of George Washington,
seventeen eighty eight to two thousand and one, the cumula
national debt was about five trillion dollars. Now it's thirty
eight trillion. And that entire time she's been in the Congress,
(09:23):
and the bulk of the time as the speaker, causing
the debt to explode.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
And she's to be complimented for that.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
No, not at all, but it is it is under
her watch, and so that that's one of the things
that should be.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Written in history about her, I hope. Now.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Secondly, the other issue happening right now, and it's a
serious one, is to shut down Forty airports are on
the list, including CVG where we live in Cincinnati, and
it's going to ratchet up. Can you tell the American
people how is it possible that the House would pass
(10:02):
without your approval? I think the Continuing Resolution the cr
which continue the spending of Joe Biden. The Congress, the
Republicans said let's do that, and the Senate refuses to act.
Can you, first of all explain your vote and thirdly
explain what's going on?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Well, the you know, I give the Republicans credit for
holding their ground and not caving to the Democrats.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
But here's why it's easy for them to hold their ground.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
The opening offer was Joe Biden's budget, and so the
Democrats look fairly unreasonable for not approving Joe Biden's budget.
I'm not voting for Joe Biden's budget, and I can
tell you so. The question your listeners probably have is, Okay,
Congressman Massy, how would you get us out of this mess.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
What would you vote for?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
And I'll tell you what I would vote for and
what I have voted for in the past, and how
we could get out of this mess.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
You march us back to Congress. Mike Johnson should call
us back.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
There's no reason for us to be in recess right
now just because there's a shutdown.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
We go back.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Let's pass the bill that funds the air traffic controllers.
Let's pass the bill that pays the soldier salaries, and
let's pass the bill that pays for everything at the VA.
Let's do wic Let's do food stamps. I would cut
out to sugary drinks. This would be a great time
to do it. And let's start passing individual bills for
the things that ninety percent of Americans need or want.
(11:28):
And then what you're going to end up with is
a shutdown of the EPA. Maybe you'll end up with
a shutdown of the ATF. And then what we'll realize
is we don't really miss those departments. We could cut
them by fifty percent, or maybe cut them all together well,
and throwing the Department of Education in there too.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Just send all that money back to the states.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Let the states decide how to teach children in the
parents and the school boards.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Send the money from the budget of the Department of
Education back to the States. Education will be better off.
What's the state of education since Jimmy Carter signed the
Department of Education bill?
Speaker 4 (12:07):
And it's grown exponentially since then.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
What's the status of public education since the Department of
Education was created?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
How are we looking?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Well?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Well, I don't know how old you are, a bill,
but I feel really bad that you didn't get a
good education because I'm pretty sure that they tried to
educate you before they had a federal Department of Education. Look,
it came into existence when I was in the fourth grade.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
It was I think I was about in the fourth grade.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It would have been nineteen eighty when it came into
existence because it was a re election ploy by Jimmy
Carter who was trying to get the teachers' unions and
whatnot to vote for him.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
And we're stuck with it forever.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I've got a bill I introduce every Congress to get
rid of the Department of Education. I don't want to
spend less money on students. I would spend more money
on students, but the problem is the federal Department Education
only responsible for about a ten percent of the education funding,
but they withhold that with all these requirements on the
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states and the school boards, and they've doubled the administrative
load just to keep up with all the federal regulations
on education.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
They do.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
They don't write textbooks, they don't teach classes.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
They don't add to the education of our children.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
At the Federal Department of Education, you've got about four
thousand bureaucrats making one hundred thousand dollars a year. They
make more than teachers. They don't teach. Give that money
back to the states. That's what I would do. You're
making too much sense. Getting back to the shutdown. I
am serious about the solution, and this is mandated in
nineteen seventy four Congressional Budget Act. We are supposed to
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be passing individual bills that would, for instance, pay the
air traffic controllers or pay the military.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And let's go back. Let's pass the ones that we
can all agree on. They would pass with bipartisan ma Joy,
you wouldn't have to worry about whether you get sixty
votes or not. In the Senate.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
You get two thirds or eighty percent. I have even
voted for some of these bills in the past. When
they're fiscally responsible and fund individual things like the Veterans
administration or transportation needs. That's how you get out of
this mess. But here's a dirty little secret in Washington,
d C. They want one big giant bill. When they
(14:24):
get through this cr thing, they'll do a couple of
crs and then they're going to want to do an omnibus.
And that's what the lobbyists love because with an omnibus,
you can stick your stuff in there. And if members
of Congress don't vote for the whole big enchilada, they
get blamed for a shutdown, and they don't want to
be blamed for a shutdown. So the lobbyists know that
the people in DC that want to fund the State
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Department and USAID, they know eighty percent of Americans don't
want their tax dollars going overseas, but they got to
attach it to the veterans, to the military pay, and
to air traffic controllers in order to get what they want.
Let's break the cycle past separate bills and then you
won't have any delays or shortages at CBG.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
But the Democrats want to want to prove out in
the Senate. They want control over the budget, and they
think they had success on Tuesday when they had this
perceived democratic great success. They think the Republicans are on
the run because Democrats won in New York City, in
New Jersey, Virginia, and California, which I think are Democratic strongholds.
But the media is picturing this is the end of
the Trump era. Did you see this as a repudiation
(15:32):
of the ideas of Thomas Massey and Donald Trump?
Speaker 4 (15:36):
How did you read the election?
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Listen, every election sometimes you can draw general conclusions from it,
but every election's got its own issues and its own candidates.
And I think it's unfair to draw conclusions from a
purple state that leans blue and from a dark blue city.
You know you're never going to have a Republican anymore,
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probably win New York City, or even a reasonable Democrat.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I do think that we need to get.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Our own house in order in the Republican Party if
we don't want to see the midterms go the other direction.
We need to do things like return country of origin
labeling on beef. We need to do things like releasing
the Epstein files to show that we're serious about going
after sex traffickers and having equal protection under the law
for victims.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
We need to, you know, follow through with the Doge cuts.
We need to quit sending the foreign eight overseas.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
If we would just do a maybe half a dozen
of these things we promised in our campaigns, we'll be
fine in the midterms and we'll keep the majority. I
don't think you can infer too much from New York
City and the state of Virginia and New Jersey, but
you can look at some of the places where we
have dropped the ball and we can say we can
(16:52):
do better, and we better do better, or we're going
to see a loss of the majority in the midterms.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Lastly, some Tom Massey, Northern Kentucky. You're being targeted by
Donald Trump himself with a weak candidate against you, are you?
Are you concerned not having Trump's support in Trump Country?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Well, what I am.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Trump has an eighty five percent approval rating, and guess what,
I vote with the Republican Party ninety one percent of
the time. I don't think people in Kentucky want a
rubber stamp, even if it is a rubber stamp for
what Trump's doing. I think everybody acknowledges. He you know,
he may be wrong nine percent of the time. And
so that's what I represent, an independent voice.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I'm not. And here's why they're going to spend ten
or twenty million dollars against me.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
It's because they're trying to scare the other Republican congressman
in Washington, d c.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Into being rubber stamps. It's kind of working. They are scared.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
But this is a referendum on whether you can go
up there and vote your conscience and vote for your people,
or whether you just got to go up there and
vote for whatever the White House sends you. Uh.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And I think I think we're going to win.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
The guy i'm running against, he's been in one race
in his life. He lost his race for state Senate,
and he's going to lose a race for Congress.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I'm not sure what he's going to do after that.
Maybe podcast.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, Well, whatever it's worth, you have my support of
that's worth a nickel. And once again, Congressman Tom ten
cents twice as much as I think Tom Madison, congratulations
on your recent marriage and may God bless you and
God bless America.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Thank you very much, God, Thank you God.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Bless Thank you Bill.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
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