12-31-25 Ken Broo in for Willie

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
All right, the average American in for the great American
on this New Year's Eve Day, twenty twenty five. And
wherever you are, Happy New Year to you. People walk
around they say Happy New Year all the time, Happy
New Year. What was it to mean? Well for me
when I say that, and I just don't say it
just throwing it out everybody. I don't run into everybody

(00:27):
and say Happy New Year. It means happy and healthy
and safe. Because if you don't have your safety and
you don't have your health, it doesn't matter a bit
what else you have. You can have all the money
in the world, but if you're not happy, and you're
not healthy, and you're not safe, well then it doesn't
really matter, doesn't So that's when I say Happy New Year.

(00:48):
If I see you out on the street today or
out someplace tonight, That's what I mean when I say
Happy New Year, because I think those are the three
things I think that we would wish anybody in life,
and one of those three things is safety. Now, in
the end, we are all responsible for our safety. We
all should have our antenna up. It is just the

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time that we live in. Some things we need help
in achieving safety. I mean we can't certainly be attuned
to everything that's going on around us, let alone around
the world. And that's where the authorities come in, whether
they be local or state, or federal or whatever it
may be, that's their job to charge their charge with
keeping us safe. And so tonight would be one of

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those nights when if you're out reveling, or if you're
out anywhere tomorrow reveling, it would be wise for you
to walk around with the old antenna up. We know
what happened in New Orleans last New Year's Eve, New
Year's morning, when fourteen people were murdered as a driver
who was compromised in his political beliefs by let's just say,

(01:59):
some some far left thinking that occurs around the world,
drove his pickup truck through the streets of New Orleans
in the quarter, killing fourteen people, taking a gun out,
and finishing off those who were not run over by
his truck. Those things, unfortunately happened, They happen in our country,
they happen all over. But as we look around the world,

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we find that there are some cities that are just saying,
you know what, We're just not going to hold New
Year's Eve celebrations anymore, And to me, that's sad. It's
sad on a number of different levels. It's sad for
those that can't revel. But it's also said that that's
what we've become as a society. But here we are.
And so as cities prepare for New Year's Eve events tonight,

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fear of terror attacks run high. How fearful should we be?
What should we do to keep our saves as safe
as possible? Standing by to join me is a guy
who's been a good guest of my program good guests
here on seven hundred WLW for many many years. Doctor

(03:04):
Alex Dale Carmen is a criminologist. He taught criminology at
the collegiate level, consulting with over twenty five years of
experience working with federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies.
And it's great he can spend some time with us
now here on seven hundred WLWE. Doctor, how are you
on this glorious New Year's Eve day?

Speaker 2 (03:25):
I'm doing great because I'm talking with you, ken.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Ah, God bless you for saying that. And I meant it.
When I say Happy New Year, I meant all three
of those things. And to you in particular. Look, you
can't stop everything bad that may happen. The bad guys
only have to be right once. The good guys have
got to be right one hundred percent of the time. Again,
we saw that last year in New Orleans. But at

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what level do you think you, me, and anyone else
that might be out there tonight or tomorrow, at what
level do you think we have to be on alert
on this particular New Year's Eve?

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well, I mean, I think that we always need to
be on alert, right, whether there's New Year's Eve or
you know, just regular day, you know, in twenty twenty six.
But at the same time, I think that are there
any specific threats No, are there specific areas that we
are concerned about. No, But at the same time, given
what happened last year, as you know that in New Orleans,

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given that you know, sometimes these individuals that want to
cause harm on good people are people that have an imagination, unfortunately,
and they try to circumvent the efforts that are made
by law enforcement. I think we always need to be
on alert, especially if you're going to be out tonight
in a large crowd, you know, a condensed space. Always

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be situationally aware, always know where your exits, where your
points of entry are, and have a plan.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, And I think that's true of anything, if not
terror fear. Certainly you need to know how to get
the hell out of a place where a case fire
breaks out or a brawl breaks out, where's the exit
do or how do I get out? We saw already
this year that the FEDS had had foiled a New
Year's Eve plot, a bombing plot that was in Los

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Angeles about ten days ago. I sense, and I don't.
I don't mean this from anything other than just a
since that this particular group at the FBI that's been
in place for the last six seven months, I since
they've got their eye on the proverbial ball more than
what the group that was in there before them. Do

(05:29):
Do you sense that as well?

Speaker 4 (05:32):
Well?

Speaker 3 (05:32):
You know, Ken, I think that the FBI has been
rerouted back to its original premise, right that he was
fighting terrorism, and certainly after ninety eleven, you know, that
was that was the mandate that the bureau you know, got,
and and they have deviated from that in the past,
as you know, and gone into other areas.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
And I think that what's happened.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
In the past six to eight months, is that they've.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Just sort of you know, begin went back to what
they were originally, you know, purpose for back, you know,
after ninety of it. And so I'm not used to
fight terrorism, and I think that there's a more significant
focus of resources and as well as people that are
devoted now to ensure that we're safe and ensure that
these terrorist don't get away with a killing in US

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in Americans.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
As I sit, the FBI field office here in cincinnati's
right next door to us, and it's a massive structure.
It employees a lot of people. There are a lot
of great people that work inside that building, not just
the agents that work inside there, but other people that
work inside there. What do you think cash Betel's message
was or is maybe to these various field offices around

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the country on this particular night. Do you think that
he needed to give these people to pev talk or
tell them exactly what could or may not happen and
where they need to be. I'm just just wondering how
that works at the FBI level.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
Now.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Well, I can tell you that the bureau, you know,
it's obviously hierarchical organization where the top rolls down the
mission and it goes all the way to the last
agent or civilian working at the Bureau. And you know,
one of the things that I'm certain that's happened is
that that back, you know, six months ago, is you
know that you know, these these marching orders were given

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and they were given with absolutely no subject to interpretation,
meaning that they're basically told you need to fight thereor
do whatever you can to ensure that Americans are safe
and to ensure that we are going to protect the homeland.
And so what that means for tonight is that there
is a strong likelihood that the Bureau has been working

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twenty four seven, and especially in places like New York, LA, Miami,
Dallas at all, they have been working to make sure
that they're behind the scenes, but that they're watching, that
they're carefully monitoring, that they're sweeping social media resources just
to make sure that people are going to be safe tonight.
So you know, I would suggest to.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
You that there is a likelihood that many agents are.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Not going to go to sleep tonight, or are not
going to be celebrating New Years with their families. Instead
are going to be monitoring something to make sure that
people go back home safely tonight.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
It is. It is great, and it is in a
lot of sense, in a lot, in a large sense,
thankless work because you know, when you're protected from anything, doctor,
you just kind of say, okay, good. When things don't
go right, that's when everybody gets up in arms. But
when when when things go right, these agents that are
out there, I don't think at the respect or the

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admiration that they deserve. Do you find that too? I
mean that's true in a lot of police work. Right
when things go well, nobody walks up to a police
officer and says, hey, things are going well tonight. Thanks,
But if all hill breaks loose, you're yelling and screaming
at the cop to come over here and do this.
I think admiration for police work has greatly disintegrated here
in the last several years.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah, there's no question.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
As I often tell police officers, as you know, hundred
thousand of them for the past twenty eight years. I've
worked at the FBI Academy and Quantico Service and instructor there,
you know, for three years.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
And I can tell you, as I often tell them.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
You know, triumph has many fathers, and defeat is an orphan.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
And what I mean by that.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Is that many people just don't you know, these folks
are working twenty four seven and they're successful. When nothing happens, right,
and as you know, you know, people are just popasetic
about it. The next day, they're going back to their business. Oh,
nothing happened last night, and they don't even think about
the thousands of hours and the sleepless nights that many
of these young men and women in various entities in

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law enforcement have devoted in order to make sure that
people go home that night safely.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah, you know, doctor del Carmen, not that native born
Americans aren't capable of carrying out heinous crimes, But I
do worry about what's transpired here with regards to the
invasion our country suffered under the last administration from the
southern border on a number of differ levels. We just
open the floodgates and let everybody in. And we let

(10:05):
people in. We have absolutely no idea what their intentions are.
Maybe they're good intentions, who knows, but maybe it's maybe
it's ten percent of the up to eighteen to twenty
million I've seen the estimates of people that have been
let in here. Up to ten percent could be in
here doing nothing but nefarious things. And even if it
is that ten percent, that's a large number of people

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that are in this country illegally that may have come
here to do some sort of harm. That's what I
worry about more than anything else. I know the current
administration is trying to get its arms around as many
of these people as possible and get them the hell
out of our country, but I think it will not
be accomplished inside of the current admission administration's tenure, which

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is now another three years, and whether remnants of that
administration those that follow in the footsteps of Donald Trump
believe the same thing. Who knows. We don't know right here,
But that's what worries me the most. We let so
many people out of this country. We have no idea
what the hell they're doing here, what they're up to.
That's what bothers me the most here on this New

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Year's Eve twenty twenty five. Am I wrong in feeling
that way?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Well?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
You know, I worry as a criminologist about many things, right,
And one of the things that I'm concerned about, I
think certainly no democracy can survive by simply opening the
doors and letting people in without having an organized migration
component into our country. And so I agree with you
and sins that you know, we need to we need
to get our act together. We need to make sure

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that we know who's coming in and who's getting out,
and we understand the nature of what that person is doing.
So I don't disagree with that, but I do worry
about many many things in addition to the individuals that
are here illegally right. And one of the things that
I worry about is the fact that many of these
attacks are done by individuals that are long wolfers. They're

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people that have been radicalized, you know, at home, They're
you know, reading stuff from the Internet. They're making deals
with who they think.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Is ISIS or sympathizers with ISIS.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
And they turn around and they go inflict pain and
harm on the American public. And so for me, as
a criminologist, I go where the crime is because I
want to make sure it doesn't happen, regardless of who's
doing it.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
But what I am.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Telling you is is that among many things that I
worry about is that we have these sort of cells,
individual cells across our country that we really don't know
who they are, and law enforcement doesn't have the capability
right now of being able to identify these bad actors
before they show their ugly face and go out there
and commit harm against Ennis and Americans. That's what I'm

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concerned about, for our children and for our children's children.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
Doctor Alex Stalekhmon criminologists are guest. Yes, the lone Wolf. Yeah,
I suppose if you're going to narrow it down to
one thing, it's the lone wolf. Somebody that's sitting at home,
maybe on the dark Web, maybe, as you say, conversing
with someone they think is isis, or someone that's going
to change them from some ideological standpoint and make their
world better. Maybe they're gamers. They're sitting on the computer

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as well, and they're playing games where people can get
shot indiscriminately, and so, in a sense, reality and fantasy
really don't have a line separating them, and all of
a sudden, you've got somebody that decides I'm going to
go out there and do exactly what I'm being told
to do from a number of different things that are
coming into my mind. I don't simply don't know how

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you stop the lone wolf. I get how the FBI
foiled that plot about ten days ago, because you simply
had a lot of people involved in it. And the
more people you have involved with something, chances are somebody
is going to say something that will help you foil
that plot. But I don't know how you stop the
lone wolf. I don't know how an FBI agent. I

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don't know how a cop in any town where you know,
in Cincinnati, doctor, we're not a big city where a
city made up of individual communities in towns, each with
their own police force. I simply don't know how anyone
can stop a lone wolf. It has to be in
my mind, it's got to be a lot of sheer
luck that something or some sort of information falls into

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that particular police officer's lap, because lone wolves are the
things that, at least for me, scare me the most.
In addition to what we talked about from what occurred
in the Southern Border, how do you stop a lone wolf?

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Well, I think that artificially intelligence is going to really
help us, believe it or not. And I know if
people see it as kind of like the evil, you know,
creeping up behind the scenes, but artificial intelligence has has definitely,
it definitely has a role in being able to identify
individuals that have an ideological presence online. And what I

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mean by that is just imagine the human hours that
you and I would have to spend in going over
websites and various narratives that are written by people to
see if certain words, if certain people are trying to
say that, hey, this is my manifesto, I'm about to
go out there and cause some harm on someone. But

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then imagine a computer that's able to do that in
milliseconds and in a matter of say, ten minutes, would
give you a read out as to what individuals online
are close to making threats or making threats by using
certain words, or have a certain profile based on IP addresses.
Law enforcement will have those tools very soon. I mean

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they already do it in some ways, but they're actually
going to have an institutionalized very soon to be able
to identify those patterns in a matter of seconds. And
so I do think that there is help coming in.
Like you, I worry about what happens between now and then.
And what I'm also concerned about is that, as you
will know, some of these actors are overseas and where

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we have very limited jurisdiction and in some cases we
have no jurisdiction at all, because you know, these are
countries that harbor terrorism. And I'm concerned about what's going
to happen, right, But one fight at a time, as
we say in my field, and you know, we need
to wait to see what AI is going to do
in the coming years.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Well, doctor del Carmen, I knew you from your days
as an instructor, educating fertile young minds about how to
solve some of the crimes that are committed inside this
country and the best police work for it. Where are
you now? What are you up to now, doctor del Carmen.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Well, I'm actually retiring from the academic world, but I'm
doing consulting work for the next ten to fifteen years.
I'm going to devote the rest of my life to
work with law enforcement and try to make our community
safer and better. And so I am between Dallas and
Connecticut and fartments in Connecticut. So I'm closer to my
growing up children now and enjoying life.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
It's funny how that works, Doc. When I say Happy
New Year, I hope you heard the intro. It means
not just happiness, which is very important, but great health
and good safety, and that's what I wish for you
on this New Year's eeve. Thank you so much for
your time. We appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
Likewise, Ken, thank you.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Combye so God that knows his business inside out, all right,
it is coming up on twelve twenty six. It's the
average American and for the great American News Radio seven
hundred wl W, we welcome back, well love back. Three years,
one year, twenty five. We have made it through yet
another trip around the sun, or just about it. I

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don't want to get ahead of the curve here because
we still have for a few hours to go less
than twelve. But nevertheless we have arrived through yet another
year and on into twenty twenty six. There are a
lot of people out there making predictions about twenty twenty six,
how good it's going to be economically, and how the
country is going to turn around, and how Main Street

(17:47):
may eventually catch up to Wall Street. And like most predictions,
you got to let them play out. I mean, you
can't just sit there and pontificate about what ifs. Yeah,
the indicators are to be better for all of us,
certainly some of us, but I think all of us
in twenty twenty six. And you have to think that way,
don't you, Because if you a don't, and what's the

(18:08):
point of pressing on? You got to feel that it's
going to be better for you financially, that it's not
going to cost so much to buy a house if
you're a first time homeowner, it's not going to cost
so much to go to the grocery store. Prices are
falling despite what the mainstream media, what have you believe?
For them, it's a lot of Trump hate, and energy

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prices are down for you, for me at the pump,
and in terms of diesel fuel, which powers interstate trucking,
interstate trucking becomes cheaper, Prices for goods and services become cheaper.
It's the standard of economics internationally, though that's a different deal.
The hotspots are all over the world, one of which

(18:49):
has just popped up in recent months, and that is Venezuela.
And President Trump has been blown up drug boats from
Venezuela for about the last two or three months, a
blockade of Venezuela. He wants the oil that's in Venezuela.
And I think that's the whole thing. I think the
drug boats are just a precursor to what he really wants,
and that he wants that stuff that's under the turf

(19:12):
in Venezuela that once belonged to United States oil companies.
I think it's a little bit of that and a
little bit of the Monroe doctrine. President James Monroe eighteen
twenty three issues the Monroe doctrine, basically telling Europe, look,
you mess with our hemisphere and we're coming after you.
The Western hemisphere, he said, was closed to European colonization. Well,

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that's because he didn't want Latin American nations being taken
over by Europe. Though it's a little bit of that
as well. But there's a deeper story here, and for
that we turned to a guy who's been studying things
in Venezuela for a very long time. In fact, Joshua
Phillips is one of those who's uniquely qualified to talk
about what's happening there and the consequences that are involved.
He's an award winning journalist, senior investigative reporter at the

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Epic time hosts his own show Crossroads that he's here
now to talk about Venezuela. Joshua Philip, how are you
on this glorious.

Speaker 6 (20:06):
Day doing well. An interesting step to watch.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
I can say that absolutely more than interesting. What do
you think Trump is up to in Venezuela.

Speaker 6 (20:16):
So I predicted it and then it came out the
new National Security Plan and Secretary of warpetegs that have
set it publicly. Now this is about the re establishment
of the Monroe doctrine, and I think we saw the
examples of this because you know it started off their
blowing up the drug cartel boats. There's more context to

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that actually that actually ties into Venezuela having been on
the cusp of invading Guyana just literally a couple months
before they started bombing those boats. The latest one, though,
is the intercept of this Iranian oil tanker that was
violating sanctions and trading in oil and so I think
I think what you're seeing now is they're not just

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going after like venezuel and drugs, They're going after the
core parts of the Venezuelan unofficial economy and what really matters.
In the new National Security Plan, they've announced that the
Trump administration will once again be enforcing them in Roe
doctor which means Latin America, no foreign countries involved. If

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you're not there so Europe, China, Russia, Iran no involvement
in Latin America. And the interesting thing with Venezuela is
that Venezuela under h sorry Hugo Java is and now
Maduro being of course Javas's pick, he hand picked him.
Chavas actually was the one, working with Thedel Castro on

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Cuba who pushed the United States out of the region.
And the way they did it was they established regional
pseudo powers like organizations of states that did not involve
the United States or Canada. So really, toppling what Venezuela
has come to represent in Latin America would be the
very first step necessary to re establish the Monroe doctor.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Right.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
The Monroe doctrine has been around for over two hundred years,
so named after President James Monroe, who basically told the
rest of the world, look, if you're thinking about colonizing
any of the Americas, forget about it. This is not
your territory. Okay, got that. But I still don't know
what Trump's endgame is with all of this. Is what

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is his endgame?

Speaker 6 (22:22):
The endgame, I think is power shift in power. And
you know what's really interesting with Venezuela, and Maduro. Even
the Biden administration had this policy and I should built
the National Security Plan. I mean huge bipartisan support. It's
probably going to get passed. In fact, Democrats and Repubpkins
in the House joined pretty.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Heavily to pass it.

Speaker 6 (22:43):
Even when Biden was president, they were talking about power
change in Venezuela. They said publicly they did not recognize
them as the official leader of the country. They said,
he's the leader of the Cartel of the Suns, which
is a terrorist organization, which means that they could justifiably
do a target strike or navy seals rate or something
kill him. And there's also a government in waiting for Venezuela,

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which both Trump and Biden have acknowledged. In fact, the
transition government in waiting. The guy lives in Florida. It's
Juan Glido. And you know, it wouldn't mean he'd be
in power per se. But they have a process already
established because of again the twenty eighteen elections in Venezuela
mass protests, and they believe there's enough popular support for
that that toppling Maduro would not be a difficult process.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Okay, so Meduro is in power. The only people that
want Maduro in power right now appear to be Meduro
and his cronies. But Trump's got something to figure out here.
I think eventually you run out of cigar boats carrying
drugs to blow up, and eventually there are only so
many tankers you can seize. So again, what's his endgame here?

(23:53):
Is it boots on the ground in Venezuela. I don't
think he has an appetite for that in Venezuela or anywhere.
How does he get Maduro out of power? How does
he stop these cartels who basically run Venezuela at the
behesta Maduro. How does he get those cartels to stop

(24:13):
transferring drugs up to the United States? I mean, there's
got to be some sort of plan here. What's the endgame?

Speaker 4 (24:19):
I think?

Speaker 6 (24:20):
I think what they're going to do is they're going
to either force Maduro to step down or they're going
to kill him. What because he's again having designated the
cartel the SUNS as both a terrorist organization and as
again the you know, targeted cartel organization, right and with
Maduro being designated the leader of it and basically head

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the heads of the state and military being deemed leaders
of it. What you're going to be watching is Maduro
is going to be treated like Bin Laden. He's the
new bin Laden. And we don't have to engage in
the full military to overthrow bin Laden. You just go
in there, rate him at you know, midnight whatever, shoot
him and throw him off and throw him into the
ocean like you know that that could very likely happen.

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Trump has said publicly that he will not start a war.
There is not going to be a full scale war.
But Maduro's days are numbered, and it seems he has
given him a will ultimatum. Step down, You're going to die.
And you know, for better or for worse. People can
agree with that or not. But but now that he
has designated a terrorist leader, America does have the you know,

(25:23):
the the clearance of say in terms of like war
you know, laws and so on to do that.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
You know, I'm just playing through the political ramifications of
this scenario if it does come to pass. I mean,
you've got the Democrats right now exactly where Trump wants them.
They have sided with the Narco terrorist squad. They're you know,
embracing MS thirteen gang members. I can't, for the life
of me believe that that's what they want to do.
But that's what they want to do. Now, if he

(25:52):
goes into Venezuela and either the CIA or Navy seals
take out Maduro, I can't imagine what the Democrats would
react to there. You can't necessarily, if you're a Democrat,
come out and say, hey, Maduro is our guy? You
know this? Yeah, what is he doing now?

Speaker 5 (26:07):
There?

Speaker 1 (26:07):
You can't blow up our guy? Right?

Speaker 6 (26:11):
You know, I wouldn't be Okay, this is where I
think it's going to go. You're going to see the
media make a stink about it, without a doubt they're
gonna make you know, they're going to be indignant politically.
But I think it's going to come out very quickly
that this was also Biden's policy. Maybe not kill Maduro,
but the Biden administration just before the twenty twenty four
elections was basically saying they're going to do the same thing.

(26:33):
They were talking openly about forcing a regime change in Venezuela.
Now does that mean killing him, you know, killing Maduro?
I don't know. But but under under the Biden administration
that this was also the policy, and I think the
Trump administration could easily drag that back out and make
that case. But you know, the media these days, they

(26:54):
just want to they want they want to scandal, regardless
of history, and so they're going to make a big
deal about it, of course, regardless, especially right before the midterms.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, you know, the media these days, particularly those that
cover Washington, d c. Are populated by people who think
they are the next Carl Bernstein or Bob Woodward, when
in essence they couldn't find Carl Bernstein or Bob Woodward
on a map. But it does serve another purpose here.
If indeed he does this, and he goes into Venezuela,
it would be a warning shot across the bowl of

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any of these South American countries who are in essence
run by drug cartels himself to let's the nonsense is over.
Let's let's we're not playing that game anymore. So maybe
therein is another aspect of this.

Speaker 6 (27:41):
I think he wants that. And so on that point,
Trump as we speak is also threatening the president of Columbia,
and he's even threatening Mexico. And I mean, I don't
know if you'd go and you know, do targeted tricks
president of Mexico, you know that'd be pretty shocking. But

(28:04):
if you remember when Trump was on the campaign trial,
he was saying he was going to do this. This
was part of Trump's campaign promise. And what do you say.
He did a very long video. I'm talking it was
at least I think fifteen minutes, but it was very long,
and he laid out his plan to use the entire
US military, every power they had, intelligence networks, US Navy,

(28:27):
targeted strikes, airstrikes, special forces, raids, all of this, he
said to destroy the drug cartels. He said he was
going to do everything we now see him being done.
And in addition to that, he said that if any
government tries to stop him, he will expose the ties
of that government to the cartels, which you know, Maduro

(28:48):
is the first example of and Trump right now has
made that an open threat. And the unfortunate part for
a lot of those government of Latin America is a
lot of them are tied to the cartails in one
way or another. And if Trump says, hey, you know,
you know, he likes to tell the story where he's
talking to this like terrorist guy and he shows him
a picture of his house, you know, from the sky,

(29:09):
and he's like, mister Trump why do you show me
a picture of my house?

Speaker 2 (29:13):
And he says, well, you know, you're gonna have to
put two and two.

Speaker 6 (29:14):
Together on that one, you know. But he's basically doing
the same thing to most of the Latin American governments effectively.
And on that point too, a lot of people say, well,
didn't Trump just pardon you know the fore of the
former presidents. I believe it was his Honduris I believe,
who was also arrested on drug charges. That ties into

(29:38):
what I said earlier. This is about the re establishment
to the Monroe doctrine. Part of it is about drugs,
but the bigger context of it is Trump is tried.
He was trying to establish loyalist leaders to America within
the Latin American region to begin again re establishing US
presents throughout the whole region and then from there dismantling
criminal networks. Is establishing kind an American answer to the

(30:01):
Chinese belts and Roade initiative, meaning infrastructure projects, and begin
changing the region effectively.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
When does all of this in Venezuela come to a head?
When do we get either Maduro out or Trump puts
his head on a platter. How quickly or how soon
does all of this play out in your opinion?

Speaker 6 (30:20):
You know that that's a good question. The way Trump
is talking, you could say any day now. There's also
the chance if he believes it could harm the Republicans
during the mid terms, there maybe he'll wait till afterwards,
or maybe he'll think it'll be strategically valuable to do
it before. I think, I actually think opinion polls in
terms of the media hit pieces Trump blowing up. You know,

(30:42):
fishing boats. Fishing boats, by the way, they're like semi
submersibles or like four engine you know, you know, rocket jets.
You know, of course big engines painted blue, so they
blend into the ocean and they have no fishing equipment.
But you know, beside the point, that's modern journalism. I
think opinion polls left and form whether he thinks it's

(31:03):
good to do it now or wait a bit.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Yeah, the always unpredictable president Donald J. Trump, the predictable
Joshua Philip and I will predict that he is working
on his next documentary even as we speak. That's for
the future. Joshua, for your time today, Thank you.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
We appreciate it always.

Speaker 6 (31:22):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Drugs and oil, drugs and oil. It's all about drugs
and oil when it comes to Latin American countries. We'll
see exactly how this one plays out. But he's right,
it could play out tonight, it could play out after
the midterms. We're going to play it out here between
now and three, coming up at one six. Why are
women spending a fortune to have their ribs removed? Apparently

(31:46):
this is a thing. Now I had no idea about it,
but apparently this is a thing that looks slimmer. And
then down the road Jimbernaesy, former congressman, on Somali fraud
in Minnesota and how deep does it run in Ohio
because currently it's a problem here according to several attorneys.
We'll talk to him about all of that and much
much more. It's the average American in for the Great

(32:08):
American on this day before New Year's twenty twenty six
ken Brew for Bill Cunningham, seven hundred wl W. It
is what are seven on this New Year's Eve twenty
twenty five? Well, come on, and it's the average American

(32:32):
in for the Great American. As we count the final
hours down to calendar year twenty twenty five, the highs
and the lows and the rest of the show of
twenty twenty five will go in the books, and we
begin a whole new chapter in twenty twenty six. And
I think that's what all of us want, as a
whole new chapter. It's not that the last chapter was

(32:52):
bad or the chapter before that. I'm sure there were
good chapters and bad chapters in twenty twenty five. But
it's the future that we look at because the future
is the only thing we have that well, actually it's today.
It's the only thing we have to control. The future
is not known in the past. Is the past? Carry
that thought tonight? Is you're getting slob or notocked. This

(33:16):
is unbelievable. You know, all of us want to look young.
We want to look pretty. We want to do the
things that we did at the age of fifty that
we could do at the age of twenty. We want
to look in the mirror and see our best self.
Some people can do that. Some people have good genes,
other people have good doctors. And in the world of

(33:38):
plastic surgery, this is apparently one of the hot new things.
Women having their ribs removed, Say ken, why would women
want their wit ribs removed? Well for a thinner waistline.
It ain't cheap, you'll get a thinner waistline. And man,
does this sound painful? And when things sound painful, he

(34:00):
turned to a doctor, and in this case the plastic
surgeon to the stars, doctor Bruce Herman Ford certified plastic surgeon,
performs a wide range of procedures and has his own
weekly show called Nip Talk. Nip Talk right now, he's
with us here on seven hundred wylwo Doctor Herman, Happy

(34:21):
New Year, and how are you on this glorious day.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
I'm doing great.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
How are you?

Speaker 4 (34:25):
Ken's good to hear from you.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, it's good to hear from you as well. Now,
did you remove any ribs today?

Speaker 4 (34:32):
I not do that and I will not do that.
I was pretty shocked.

Speaker 7 (34:37):
When that news article hit and I had to instantly
go look it up because I was kind of surprised
to hear that people were doing that these days. You know,
that surgery has been around since the nineteen seventies, but
never really caught on for the maybe obvious reasons of hey,
it's kind of you know, risky to do that and
also very painful. Actually dug into that article and it

(35:02):
came from a girl who was posting on TikTok.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Of course, right, and so I tried, yeah, of course.

Speaker 7 (35:08):
So I tried to figure out where she had it
done because I would be surprised if she had it
done in the United States.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
And she and I actually had.

Speaker 7 (35:18):
To do some resource so I was forced to watch
like many minutes of TikTok.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
This is time I'll never get back in my life.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
But to be thorough, I wanted to make sure I
got all the.

Speaker 7 (35:28):
Information, and she actually refused to say where she got
it done. I'm pretty certain she had.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
It done out of the United States.

Speaker 7 (35:35):
Because this is the crazy part which wasn't in that article.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
I think that you.

Speaker 7 (35:39):
Guys saw she actually got her ribs in a plastic bag.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
They gave her the ribs and.

Speaker 7 (35:46):
She was showing them off on TikTok, which is the
craziest thing.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
And they really looked legit, they look like the ribs
would look.

Speaker 7 (35:52):
And I just don't think anyone in America would do that,
Like that's kind of like a biohazard to give people,
you know, their body part.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
In a plastic bag like that.

Speaker 7 (36:01):
So this sounds like an out of the country experience
that this person.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Had right, it's value added. I mean they could put
that on the advertisement. You know, whatever we take out
you get to take home, you can.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Add it back.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
She was showing the bob. It was one video. She
was holding them with her hand.

Speaker 7 (36:17):
I was like, oh my god, that's so insane, Like
I kind of flabbergasted, but.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
I was going to say that the surgery ain't cheap.
This woman, I think it's the same woman. She said
she spent about fourteen thousand dollars. They took out six ribs,
three on each side, and it's to shrink her waist
from a from a thirty two inch waist to a
twenty four inch waist. And she said it was very painful,

(36:46):
very painful. And my question to you is doctor, you
know you all go to every doctor before he specializes
and correct me if I'm wrong. You you go to
the university, you go to the universal entrance to the
world of medicine. Am I right about that?

Speaker 7 (37:03):
I mean, well, yeah, it's plastic surgeons. We go and
we get general training and then a lot of people specialize.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
So I specialize in breast and body. But yeah, yeah,
you're correct.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Ok Okay, So you're a doctor before you're I guess
a specialist. A doctor would look at this and think,
all right, there's a reason why you would have ribs
on each side of your body. They're obviously protecting something.
So what do you yes when you take out when
you take out three ribs on each side. Yeah, I'm

(37:34):
most wondering what are you exposing at that.

Speaker 7 (37:37):
Point as you're exposing like your spleen on your left side,
which is not good because the spleen is very vulnerable
to injury. In fact, in car crashes, a lot of
people get splinnic injuries and have to have them removed.
And even more importantly, on the right side, you're protecting
your liver, which that's not easy to think if it
gets injured. So, yeah, there is that side of it,

(37:57):
you know. You know, you're removing basically your body's natural armor,
which is there for a reason. Like if this lady
goes and gets in a car crash, like she's much
more vulnerable to like potentially life threatening injuries. I mean,
there's just a multitude of reasons why I wouldn't do
the surgery.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
I mean, that's definitely one of them.

Speaker 7 (38:17):
You know, the pain, the risk, I mean, the one
thing I will say, and this is not any way
an advertisement for doing this, that I am against this,
but it does work. I looked at this girl's photos
and I was like, wow, okay, that did make a difference.
But to me, it's just too risky, Like there's just
too many short term and long term risks to recommend

(38:39):
doing this. But I will tell you I want.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Your listeners to have full information.

Speaker 7 (38:44):
There is a newer technique out there, which I will
not do because I still think it's too risky. But
there are some plastic surgeons within the United States. They're
doing a procedure called rib x CAR and what they
do is they don't take out the ribs, but they
make a very very tiny incision. They drill a couple
holes in the rib which allows it to basically infracture

(39:04):
and you get the same result.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
But without taking out the rib. Now I would not
do this.

Speaker 7 (39:09):
I wouldn't necessarily recommend anyone doing this, but like, if
somebody had their heart set on doing something of that nature,
I would definitely do the lesser invasive procedure than removing
the ribs.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Like removing the ribs entirely, to me, is a bad idea, Like.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Why wouldn't why wouldn't somebody opt for liposuction if there's
if there's if there if you want to do that
now I know, and I understand maybe you get skin
flab or that flappy skin or whatever it is. I
understand all that, but you could probably get that fixed too.
I'm just I'm just wondering, why wouldn't somebody opt for
that as opposed to you know, going to you know,

(39:48):
having a rib dinner serve to somebody?

Speaker 7 (39:50):
Right, Well, the reason for it, there is a reason,
There is an answer to that question is because you know,
liposuction removes the subcutaneous fat. But the concern and these
people have is the actual structural skeletal component, which liposuction
won't alter that. You know, if somebody has like a big,
you know, barrel chest or wide hips naturally because of

(40:11):
their skeletal structure, Like LiPo is not going to really
change that entirely.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
I mean, you can, you.

Speaker 7 (40:17):
Can alter what's above the bones, but liposuction doesn't alter
the structure. This this surgery alters the structure. And again
I'm not saying that is the reason that people should
go out and do this, because I I don't think
this is a good thing, and I would never do it,
but that that is the answer, is it's it's changing
something more structurally deep than just the overlying fat.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
So you're taking somebody is taking ribs out to get
a smaller waist. That's the idea. Okay, if that's the
woman I'm ringing, is she is she she wanted to
feel prettier. Well, okay, I suppose maybe she has other
issues with self esteem and then that's one way to
fix that. I think she. I think she's got a

(40:59):
few things going on. But but the.

Speaker 7 (41:01):
Fact that man, she's had like tons of surgery done,
Like her whole feed was, Like all these surgeries she's had,
it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Remember that there was one one woman that was out there,
like when the Barbie movie came out, she wanted she
had all that plastic surgery done to look like Barbie
and like like why you know, because most guys get
turned on on that could get they could get an
inflatable Bardie Barbie doll and be happy. But but my point,
my point in all this is no surgery is is

(41:30):
all surgeries come with some sort of discomfort, if not pain.
If you're taking bodily structure out. If you're taking ribs out,
good lord, the pain level on that has to be
through the roof.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (41:42):
Absolutely, And I will add, which is one thing that's
important to know. This girl did come back like three
months after a surgery and said, I made a mistake.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
I would not do this surgery.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Over my ribs back. Can you put them back in?

Speaker 5 (41:55):
Here?

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Are my ribs? Can you put them back in? No?

Speaker 7 (41:58):
Sorry one way, but yeah, she came back and said,
I do not recommend the surgery for anyone. So I
mean that's a I guess a good thing for people
to hear. Is this This person that this whole article
spawned up from came back and said I made a mistake.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
I would not do this again.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
So yeah, you guys man, you guys in the in
the plastic surgery biz. From what I can tell, you
work with what God gave you. In other words, if
I came into you and I said, you know, I'd
really like to look like George Clooney in my aging years,
you'd be said, look, I can't. I'm not I'm not
a magician. I'm a doctor. You kind of work with

(42:37):
what you got when you start messing around with structure.
I mean that's like taking that's like taking afford focus
into a garage and saying, Okay, I'm going to remove this,
and you got a ferrari Now, I mean you could
only work with what you got. I think once you
start messing around with that stuff, I think you're full
of your you're you're, you're, you're just with the primal

(42:57):
forces of nature you're messing with those things. I don't
think the doctor really of any note in this country
would ever do something like that, do you.

Speaker 7 (43:07):
I agree with you one hundred percent. That's why I
was really trying to dig to see where this happened. Yeah,
I mean it all comes down to, you know, risk
and reward, right, I mean I I mean there's certain
surgeries that are sort of calmon that I won't do
because of the risks, like the Brazilian butt lift.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
And I think we talked about this one of the
other times we chatted, like.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
I won't do Brazilian butt lists.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
Because they're risky.

Speaker 7 (43:29):
And it's like to me, it's like, you know, doing
something esthetic is fine if the risks are minable, but
when those risks start to climb where it includes things
like death, I'm out, like I'm not in for my
patients dying like I'm out. And so you know, unfortunately,
I don't know if every surgeon you know, adheres to
that kind of you know, strict safety regiment that I do.

(43:52):
And so that's why you you know, you hear these
stories in the news, the people who go and you know,
try to change something their body and end up, you know,
maimed or dead, and yeah, I just didn't. I'm not
like that, man. I'll do like the easy stuff and
the stuff that is you know, accepted as being safe.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
But man, when he gets into stuff like taking.

Speaker 7 (44:11):
Out ribs or wrists of bam with Brazilian butt lit,
I'm out, man, I'm just not going to do it.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Doctor Bruce Herman, our guest board certified plastic surgeon. We're
talking about how some women are now spending a fortune
to have ribs removed to give them a a slimmer waistline.
There's all kinds. There are all kinds of Charlatans out there,
as you know, in in in your business that'll you know,
you go. The Brazilian butt lift is a great thing.
I think maybe you and I did a segment on

(44:39):
how people were going to Mexico to get a Brazilian
butt lift and not coming back. They were they were
apprehended by the cartels down there or whatever. I just did. Yeah,
I did a segment last week with a guy who
is allegedly the number one hair transplant surgeon in America.
He lives in Fort Lauderdale, and we were talking about

(45:00):
how people are getting on planes. Bald guys are getting
on planes and flying to Turkey to get these plug
treatments done. Where you know this guy is a legit
doctor doing it. The guy the people do it in Turkey.
They may have like an operating room that's right next
to a hair salon, that's like next to a rail pollard,

(45:20):
that's next to a quick trip where you can get
a salami sandwich. It's just I mean, you got to
know what you're getting and if you have, if you
see something that's advertised out there, yeah, come down here.
It's a fraction of the cost. Well, okay, you may
come back a fraction of the person that you went
down there as. So I mean, you've got to be
careful with these things, don't you.

Speaker 7 (45:40):
Oh one hundred percent, Like I'm really against medical tourism
where people go out of the country because you know,
I mean.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
You kind of hit the nail on the head. You know,
you don't know who's doing it.

Speaker 7 (45:49):
I mean, it can be hard in the United States
to know who's legit and who's not when you go
out of the country. I mean, you just have no idea.
You don't know if the training they had is proper.
You don't know what the sort of occasions they have
are legitimate. I mean, anyone can make a great web page, right,
I mean, a person off the street can make a
web page that look like the best, you know, plastic
surgeon in the world. And it's easy to deceive people.

(46:13):
And so you know, when you go outside of the country,
you just don't know what you're getting. Plus, you know,
one of the biggest problems of going out of the
country is, you know, if you have complications. Number One,
you typically have them after you come back. I mean
you're not even the same country as your surgeon. And
then two, there's no recourse. You know, recent in the
United States, if you go and you have surgery somebody
and you get botched, you have the ability to get

(46:35):
legal renumeration, right, you can sue them. You can't sue
someone in Turkey, like that's impossible. And so yeah, I've
been talking about medical tourism and like the dangers of it,
and now you have even you know, the UK has
issued a bunch of warnings because it's mostly the UK
and europe people going to Turkey. We here in the
United States people tend to go to South America or wherever.

(46:59):
But now you got the U k issuing warnings because
what's happening is all these people are having complications and
then they get into the NHS or the National Health
Services and it's costing the government a bunch of money
to like to fix these people. And so like the
government now is like stepping in. So yeah, it's it's
crazy out there. I mean, at the end of the day,

(47:19):
you know, saving money is good, but it's not you know,
worth your life to save you know, a thousand bucks
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
So, doctor Bruce Herman, if a woman walked into your
office today and said, you know what, I want to
have some ribs removed, you would tell her what.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
I would tell her. Please Number one, I'm not going
to do it, and two please don't do it. You know,
I guess if.

Speaker 7 (47:41):
Like she was insistent on doing something. I might refer
her to the one of the handful of actual legit
plastic surgeons that are doing the minimally invasive not removal,
but like you know, contouring or fracturing of the ribs.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
But I wouldn't even do that. I mean, I just
I just think it's too risky.

Speaker 7 (48:01):
I mean personally, so, I mean I guess maybe like
those those handfuls of certain the United States, I think
they're having pretty good results with it, but I don't know.
For this guy, it's too risky. I'm not looking to
like hurting my patients. I want everybody to like have
a good experience and come out okay.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
On the other end, yeah, you're a guy that sticks
to the breast, the butt, and the nose, right, I mean,
you just you got you know, your menu is very short.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
Bread and butter.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
Man, the easy stuff, the stuff that's been shown.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
To be safe. You know, I'm not here to take risks.

Speaker 7 (48:31):
I mean, I just you know, again, I just want
people to have a good experience and.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
Not hav any bad outcomes. So I'm sticking to the
stuff that works.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
And nip talk. Where can we find nip talk? Your
weekly show. Where is that?

Speaker 7 (48:44):
So it's a video podcast that airs mostly on YouTube.
You can find us at NIP talk Show. It does
air on Facebook as well, and then the audio goes
out to the various audio podcast streaming services.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
So up some of your listeners to come by.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Yeah, what are you talking about this week?

Speaker 7 (49:04):
Well, actually I'm off this week because the studio is
closed because of the new year.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
So well, last week, what did you do last week?

Speaker 4 (49:11):
I'm sure it's a bad week.

Speaker 7 (49:13):
Is we had Christmas bell on a bad day, so
our studio was closed book So I just I gave
my people a couple of weeks off. Last thing we
were talking about we were talking about Kate Winslet. She
was slamming anyone who wanted to get plastic surgery.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
And I love Kate Winslet.

Speaker 7 (49:28):
I saw Titanic three times in the in the theaters
when I was a young person.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
But I had a little beef.

Speaker 7 (49:33):
With her because she was like, she's kind of dogging
on people that wanted to get botox and.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
Like simple stuff, and so.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
We had to break that down.

Speaker 7 (49:40):
But yeah, we talked about a lot of interesting topics,
including things like I actually we'll do a segment on
this rib rib reception thing, and that'll be what I'm
going to talk about for sure on the next episode.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Well, good gad, we gave you the idea, and Kate
winslet her boat always sink, so I wouldn't worry about
you about her.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Anyway, Doc, thanks for your time. Doctor Bruce Herman always
great having you on. You can find him at Breast
and Plasticsurgery dot com Breast and Plastic Surgery dot com.
All right, Happy New Year, Docs, stay.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Well, happen to you. Thank a lot. Take care.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
You couldn't pay me enough money to have my ribs removed.
You know, people should just love people for the way
they are. Wouldn't that be a nice thing to happen
in twenty twenty six? Here I am, this is look
take care of myself the best way I can all.
What a world that would be? One twenty five it's

(50:32):
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(50:53):
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(51:13):
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(51:38):
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fan of college football and you don't mind seeing the
teams that might not necessarily be all that good, well
what the hell why not? And then, of course you've
got the college football Playoff that begins our I guess
in the case of the playoff itself continues. But tonight

(52:02):
at the Cotton Bowl, it's Miami against the Ohio State
buck Guys. Last we heard from the buck Eyes, they
had just been slapped upside the head by Indiana in
the Big Ten championship game. They've had a lot of
time off to think about this game. Tonight against Miami.
And if you were listening yesterday or heard a young
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(52:25):
dot com, he was one of my guests yesterday and
was asking him about that time off. That's a long
time to think about a loss. It's a good time,
I suppose if you're trying to heal and get players
who have had nagging injuries throughout the season healthy. But
it is a long time and I'm wondering, as I
wondered yesterday with Hope, exactly how the buck Eyes deal

(52:47):
with this.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
Well.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
The good thing is for Ohio State, they've done this before.

Speaker 8 (52:50):
We saw it last year where they lose that game
to Michigan, they have to sew on it for a
month and then they go and have a fantastic four
game run in the College football playoffs. So there's a
lot of play on this year's team who were part
of last year's team, who have been there.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
They know what it takes to bounce.

Speaker 8 (53:05):
Back from a loss, and they know what it takes
to play their best football in the College Football playoffs.
So I think that that's something that can really kind
of guide them into this game and help them in
terms of knowing what it takes to play their best
football of.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
The season in the biggest games of the year now.

Speaker 8 (53:21):
At the same time, just because they did it last
year doesn't if they're going to do it again and
players are talking about that, you know, they have to
work just as hard going into this game as they
did going into those CFT games a year ago if
they want to have the same results.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
But I think the fact that you know.

Speaker 8 (53:37):
Ryan Day and so many of these players have didn't
prove out already last year, they have that experience of
playing in a college ball playoff in winning a national championship.
I think that's really valuable. It's something they can drop
from going into this game.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Day is going to take over the play calling on offense,
largely because Brian Hartline has got one foot out the
door to South Florida to become the next head coach,
and although he's still coaching obviously on the staff, he's
going to concentrate on wide receivers. They took over the
play calling. Why is it because Heartline is literally moving

(54:15):
on And was it a strategic thing on Dave's part?
Did he not like the way the players are being
college just fill in the blanks there a little bit.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
Yeah, I think he pretty much covered it.

Speaker 8 (54:24):
I think it's the fact that Brian Hartline is juggling
two jobs right now, and I think that Ryan Day
came to realize over the last couple of weeks that
having an offensive coordinator, having someone leading the offensive game
plan who is not a one hundred percent invested in
Ohio State right now, was not the best move for
Ohio State. And I don't say that to criticize Brian Hartline.

(54:47):
It's just the reality of the situation that you know,
he's going to be a head coach somewhere else. He
has certain things he has to do for that job. Unfortunately,
the way of a college football calendar is right now.
I mean, I know I've read something and I think
it's like eight of the teams in a college ball
playoffs or something like that have a coordinator moving on.
So it's just the reality of a situation these days

(55:07):
that you know, with the timing of signing day and
a transfer portal and all that, you know, coaching hires
get made before the college football playoff and so you
have a lot of coaches who are finishing up a
job with one team while preparing to start a job
with a new team. And that's certainly the case of
Brian Hartline. But I think Ryan Day just kind of
came to realize, well, you know, because of what happened

(55:28):
in the Big Ten championship game, where you know, the
offense clearly had its worst performance of the year, coming
just three days after Brian Hartline was hired at USF.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
I don't think that was a coincidence.

Speaker 8 (55:38):
And then I think, you know, realizing is they started
game planning for the cotton ball over the last couple
of weeks that you know, having someone who's splitting time
between two places lead the offensive game plan is probably
not the best way to go about it. And so
you know, and they ultimately decided that the best move
was for him to do it himself.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Stay at Hope. Who was with me yesterday on seven
hundred WW from eleven Warriors dot com. We got bowl
games tonight. Of course that's the big one today. It's
the Reliaquest Bowl Iowa against Vanderbilt. Oh my be still
my beating heart on this one. This game is now
at the half, Iowa fourteen Vanderbilt three. Still to come.

(56:22):
The Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl. Yeah, out there and
they'll passo Texas, Arizona State against Duke, and then the
cheese at Citrus Bowl, three o'clock kick, Michigan against Texas,
the unbattled Michigan football team against Texas, and then tonight,
of course it's Miami and Ohio State. What's up with

(56:44):
the Bengals. Bengals are counting down to the end of
the season, but do they have full focus on the
task at hand? With the Browns? Talk a little bit
about that next no Stooge report today, segs Off. I'm
just trying to fill in the blanks. Seven hundred w
WELW one fifty News Radio, seven hundred WLW, The average

(57:06):
American in for the Great American. Do you think there's
this Somali fraud problem up in Minnesota? How about the
Buckeye State. We may be on the verge of one
as well. We're going to get into that at two
oh six. Then down the road. How chocolate and coffee

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mean pushing off the aging process. New Year's Eve twenty
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(58:12):
getting ready to take on the Browns, and of course
at pay Corpse Stadium one o'clock kick season finale for
the Bengals. Our coverage begins at nine a m. From
the Holy Grail this particular Sunday morning. And does Zach
Taylor just finished his news conference up here a few
minutes ago, and he says he is absolutely no questions, none,

(58:34):
no questions about his team's energy.

Speaker 9 (58:36):
All you spend great energy from our guys. Helpful that
we've won the last two. I think to keep the
energy up at this point of year. But everybody's been great.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Got to deal with Shudor Sanders, who is not great
but is playing better as the Browns have just played
Merry Grounds with quarterbacks since they came back into the league.
But Sanders is their guy now, is at least through
the end of this year, and then we'll see what happens.
And Taylor claims that he knew all about him when
he played at college. Well, who didn't. He played for

(59:08):
his dad and everybody was kind of eyeing his dad, Dion,
But Taylor at least knew who the guy was coming
out of college.

Speaker 9 (59:17):
You know, I'm never going to call myself a Colorado fan,
and I was watching their games, you know, as a
Nebraska guy, So you know, I thought that he did
a great job, you know, and collaboration with a lot
of other people that really did a great job at Colorado.
So then for him to come in the league and
as a rookie have success things really impressive. And so
again we've got a tough task in front of us,

(59:38):
and he's done a real good job, and he's got confidence,
he's he's obviously got a lot of reps in his
belt now and he's been a lot of plays for
these guys.

Speaker 5 (59:45):
You know.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
I had on Brian Diardo from CBS Sports last week
on my show and we were talking about the Bengals
and in twenty twenty five and how much of a
bummer it was. And I asked him, is it too
is it too easy to say that this all fell
apart when Joe Burrow went down, because there were great
numbers put up by Joe Flacco in several games in

(01:00:07):
his absence. Here's the Ardo's thoughts on that. I think
it's somewhere in the middle.

Speaker 10 (01:00:11):
I think I think going in and I think what
you're alluding to is this was a fly team with
or without Burrow, and I wholeheartedly agree. I think for me,
the season was went downhill when Brown and Cake Brin
came in and he didn't provide them the adequate play
at backup quarterback that they needed, and you know one
and three and those starts that it was so bad
that they had to figure out a way to get

(01:00:32):
another quarterback and um announced everybody went and got Joe
flat though, and kind of a shocking, you know, mid
season trade, and to me, him not being ready to
come in and go. I think it was a surprise
to everybody. And he was four and three, as you
know and your listeners know, as a starter a few
years ago. When Burrow got hurt and there was no
reason to believe that he wouldn't be as effective this time.

(01:00:53):
And he was so bad that it compelled Zach Taylor
to bench him and try to save the season with
getting a forty year old quarterback. So, you know, to me,
him not being able to come in right away and
get a couple of wins, I mean we're talking.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
If they have two more wins right now, they're still
in it with the Steelers.

Speaker 10 (01:01:10):
Being where they are and the Ravens being where they are.
To me, that way there was to me where the
season ended.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Well, yeah, in a lot of ways it did. I
mean you go back and you look, which I did.
So Flacco's first game here was the game against Green
Bay on October the twelfth, twenty nine to forty five,
two hundred and sixty eight total yards in that game,
and it was obviously, you know, not a game that

(01:01:39):
I would consider the Bengals to be competitive in, but
at least showed that Flaco could come in here and
you know, give this team a pulse. And then Pittsburgh
four hundred and seventy total yards against the Steelers, four
hundred and seventy yards against the Steelers right week seven,

(01:02:00):
Ingles thirty three Steelers thirty one McPherson's fueld goal with
seven seconds to go. The two games that just absolutely
submarine this team were, of course, the home losses to
the Jets and to the Bears. You give up two
hundred and fifty four rushing yards to the Jets. The

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Jets haven't shown that kind of pulse at any game
before that, and after five hundred and two total yards
Chicago the next week, thirty seven rushes, two hundred and
eighty three on the ground, five hundred and seventy six
total yards on the ground. You allow Caleb Williams to

(01:02:41):
throw for four touchdown passes in both of those games,
a grand total of two sacks from that Bengals defense. Now,
the season really didn't go under when Burrow got hurt,
but you had those Jets and a Chicago win. To
what was at stake when Burrow came back. I mean,

(01:03:04):
who knows what the story is. The defense is what
submarine this team this year, and as well as it
seemingly has played the last three weeks, it needs major work.
That's the eyeball test. I've been watching this stuff for
over forty years here for over forty years, almost fifty years.
That's the eyeball tenp. They're not good enough. They don't

(01:03:25):
tackle well enough, and they certainly don't cover well enough,
and they certainly don't rush the quarterback well enough. That's
job one in the off season. It is coming up
on one to fifty seven news Radio seven hundred WLW

(01:03:48):
Welcome back at happen in a year I grew the
average American in for the great American here on seven
hundred WLW. Thank you for tuning us in today too.
As you get ready to do whatever you do tonight.
You know, I going out and getting crazy those days
I have left in my wake, and I since most
of you have done that too. We're just I think

(01:04:10):
pot people just want to stick close to home anymore.
You maybe go have dinner, maybe come home. You can
stay up long enough, watch the ball drop and then
hit the sack for sleep or whatever. Anyway, Happy New
Year to you and your family. The fraud scheme that's
going on in Minnesota, I think you should know about

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that by now. It is centering around a Somalian population
that is the largest of any state in America. Right now.
Eighty two of the ninety two defendants charged are Somalian Americans. Now,
this center's around daycare centers or in one case, a

(01:04:51):
leering center. How in the hell do you put up
a sign over a daycare center that says leering center. Event,
it's a scam to get federal money siphoned to Minnesota
for alleged daycare centers. And right now that alleged money

(01:05:12):
is somewhere around eighteen billion with a B dollars, the
alleged money that's been scammed by the Somalian run daycare centers.
In Ohio. We have the second largest Somalian population of
any state in America. Most of the Somalis that are

(01:05:32):
here in this country, legal and otherwise have settled in
central Ohio. And someone, I guess it was the Columbus Dispatch.
They're not really doing a very good job on this story.
By the way, ask the governor about you know, well
what about you know these daycare centers here in Ohio?
Is is everything okay? And you know the governor said,

(01:05:55):
oh no, no, no, no, this is this has been
going on for a long time. We know that that
this is going on. We're on it, and we crack
down on it every time it pops it pops up,
and I guess maybe the Dispatch was satisfied with that answer,
but I'm not because it almost sounds dismissive on the
part of the current governor of Ohio. So I wanted

(01:06:18):
to find out exactly what's going on in the state
of Ohio from a guy that I have on my
show a lot who totally listen, totally up fun about this.
Jim er Dacey ran against Mike DeWine and lost, tried
to primary Diwine in the Republican primary, and REDEESI lost.
I don't think he has any ill ill will towards

(01:06:39):
the governor, but he does have a differing opinion on
what's going on in Minnesota and how it relates to
you and to me here in Ohio. So let's bring
him on in. Jim er Dacy, how are you on
this glorious New Year's Eve?

Speaker 5 (01:06:52):
I am doing great, Ken, how are you?

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
I'm doing well? And uh, look, fraud is fraud. Let's
extract Somalia out of this just for a moment. Fraud
is fraud. And if somebody is stealing tax dollars from
people who pay into the tax system, that should be
an absolute red flag for every single person in this country,
but in particular the people that serve this country in Washington, DC.

(01:07:16):
So why I have so many of your former Democrat
colleagues not looked at this and said, wait a minute,
this is fraud. They don't seem to be very interested
in any of this, do they.

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
Well, I got to tell you for your exactly right,
fraud is fraud, and whether it's Democrats or Republicans, Americans
should be looking at this across the board, across the states.
I would never tell you that there's enough fraud to
reduce the deficit, but I would tell you there's enough
fraud out there that if it was extracted, we could

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be doing a lot better with our debts and deficits,
especially when it comes to medicate fraud, because people have
to realize that, for instance, in Ohio, whatever the state
of Ohio spends, the federal government reimburses over ninety percent
to the state. So there's a gimmick going around the
entire country, which I did try and fight when I

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was in Washington, which there's no reason to cut medicaid spending,
for instance in the state of Ohio when ninety percent
of it and plus when some of the states are
very similar get totally reimbursed by the federal government, which
becomes a real problem when the federal governments just fishing
out dollars and states are taking those dollars and not

(01:08:33):
really being careful with them because they know that the
majority of those dollars are reimbursed by the federal government.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
The majority of Somalians that have landed in the United States,
legal or otherwise are in the state of Minnesota and
in the Minneapolis metropolitan area. The second largest group are
in Ohio. Some say thirty thousand, others say it might
be twice that, but nevertheless, here they are. And you
just mentioned you tried to fight this in Washington, DC,

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and I mean, here's your good buddy, Mike de Wine.
His office said that the attempts to the fraud publicly
funded daycare are not new and that the state has
had safeguards up for a very long time. Do you
believe that?

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
Well, look, I ran against Mike DeWine because I don't
believe a lot of things he says, and I'm willing
to say that. But let's face it, over, I just
saw a report today over forty daycare centers in Columbus
Ohio all opened under the same defunct shell organizations from
all the Educational Resource Center began operating the exact same

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day with combined earnings of fourteen million dollars in twenty
twenty four a loan. So we have the same situation
occurring here in Ohio, and we do have medicaid fraud
throughout Ohio as well. That has been found by our
honor has brought it to the attention of many people,

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and some people have been prosecuted, some haven't been. Let's
face it, It's one of the reasons why I say
be careful when you point the finger at Minnesota, because
one of those fingers might be pointing right back at
Ohio at the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Yeah, I mean again, it almost seemed like a brush
off what his office told. I guess it was the
Columbus Dispatch. And then the Dispatch shose the weakest form
of journalism to look into this story. They went running
to one of those alleged daycare centers in Columbus and said, oh, no,
everything's good here. Everything's good here, so there must not
be anything going on, rather than actually trying to dig

(01:10:40):
into the story and see, well, okay, well what about
this place or that place, or the overall medicaid fraud
that may be going on here in the state of
Ohio kind of you know, if somebody that spent their life,
the majority of their life in television journalism, it just
kind of hacks me off. The lack of journalistic curiosity
here with this story.

Speaker 5 (01:10:59):
Well, kay, and here's what's really interesting. An individual up
in Wadsworth, Ohio that actually has three or four daycare centers,
got in the car and drove down because of his
frustration of how difficult it was to operate his daycare centers.
And he told me today that he visited five of

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these Somali daycare centers. Four of them were absolutely nobody there,
totally dark, and the fifth one that he visited, he
was actually afraid for his life because a guy came
out and said what are you doing here? And he said,
you know a what he goes, You're trespassing and he said, nope,
I'm not trespassing because I'm leaving. But he felt very

(01:11:44):
uncomfortable that after visiting just five locations in Ohio in
these Somali daycares, but four of them were dark, and
one of them, although it wasn't dark was not providing
daycare was providing he said it. Look there was something
else going on in the building. But that just shows

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you that you're exactly right. We need to have a
thorough investigation of this, and I think we're going to
find the same thing. It's just a lack of oversight
from our government officials, which leads to deficit spending, medicaid
waste and fraud and things that could be corrected if

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we just were a little bit more diligent on oversight.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Yeah, I'm reading right here. According to some estimates, Somali
scammers have taken more money from taxpayers in the last
few years than the entire gross domestic product of Somalia
the country. I mean, it's staggering. It's roughly eighteen billion
that's in play up in Minnesota, and half of that
is a number that adds up to the total federal

(01:12:50):
funds provided by that FEDS two Minnesota since twenty eighteen
for all of federal run services in Minnesota. Look, I
would never suggest this to any other politician than perhaps you,
but it seems to me if you have in Minnesota
a very large Somali population there and it's you're running

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for political offense, either for the mayor of Minnesota or
for the seat that elon Omar has. If you start
sticking your nose into something like this, it's going to
cost you votes. And if that costs your votes, that
cost you the election. How much of this do you
think is just politically driven? That Tim Walls and the

(01:13:32):
mayor Fry I believe his name is of Minneapolis, and
certainly elon Omar, they don't want to stick their nose
into something like this because if they do, that costs
them votes and they're out of office. That couldn't possibly happen,
could it?

Speaker 5 (01:13:47):
Well? You know, and I know that votes are the
main thing. It's one of the reasons why nobody wants
to look at Medicare. Nobody wants to look at Medicaid,
nobody wants to look at social security fraud. And you
start looking at all these programs and benefits and you
start digging into the fraud, you're going to find things.
You know. I was on the Medicare Medicare Subscommittee. I

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was on the Social Security subcommittee. There was ongoing fraud
investigations all around the country. And these are things that
do cost people votes. There's no doubt about it. Just
like you said, if it's your district and there's a
lot of that population and you're worried about getting reelected,
absolutely you're going to ignore it as long as you can. Sure.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
And the first thing they're going to say is you're
a racist. You know you must be a racist if
you're looking to the No, I'm looking for my money.
You know, you write me a check and give me
my money back. You can go about your business any
way you want. But I you know, I think is
this gets gets rolling and despite the best efforts of ABC, NBCCBS,
and it will because I think you're going to finally

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get some action in Washington, d C. That may be
a rallying point for the GOP in twenty twenty six.
I think when you turn rocks over on all of
these places, you're going to be surprised of what you
find in terms of fraud. Now you might have served
with this guy. I don't know, Jim. I didn't look
at the lap over on your tenure there. But the

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House majority with Tom Emmer from Minnesota, now's yelling and
screaming and calling for the denaturalization and deportation of Somali's
in Minnesota who defrauded taxpayers. Well, okay, I think that's
a step maybe after you actually get to who shepherd
the fraud and who knew about it and didn't do

(01:15:36):
anything about it. It's one thing to say that's what
we're going to do, but I think you got to
get to that first step, don't you.

Speaker 5 (01:15:43):
Well, absolutely, And I did serve with Tom Emmer. He's
a good friend of mine. And you know, look those
are such face. That's a political claim he's making. It's
a great political claim and it's a great rally cry.
But you're exactly right. We've got to start looking at
these states. It's the same. And I use Ohio only

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because I know Ohio. If Ohio was not getting anything
reimbursed from the federal government, zero reimbursement, they'd be very
careful on how much they're spending in the medicaid program.
And one of the things every state we should be
looking at is how do we how do we make
the states more accountable when it comes to Medicaid. The

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best way, of course, is to eliminate their federal match.
And you know, you want to fix a state like Minnesota,
just say okay, we're going to eliminate your federal match.
But you got to remember, you just can't pick on Minnesota.
And that's what I keep trying to tell people. You
can look at Minnesota and as a Republican administration, the
Republican president, we could say we're going to go after

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Minnesota until it becomes a problem in Ohio, whether it's
a Republican administration. So if you're going to do this,
you got to do it across the board.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
I don't know what to get you into a you know,
another public urinating contest with the wine. But he doesn't
seem interested in it. I mean just by his statement
and the statement that came out of his office up there,
it's like, oh, yeah, this isn't now, We're on it.
We've got our antenna. It doesn't seem like he has
an appetite to take this thing on. Does it seem

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that way to you.

Speaker 5 (01:17:22):
Well, look, it's a controversial issue. He should be on
top of it. No, he's not going to worry about it.
And it's one of the reasons Iran against him. And
again it's but I've said this time and time again,
our state has not gotten any better in the six
years he's been governor. In fact, we've fallen behind in
a lot of places. And this is another issue. In fact,

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he's increased medicaid funding across the state. He has added
to the medicaid debacle that we have in our state,
which means, you know, if you assume that medicaid has five,
ten percent, whatever the number is fraud. Governor Gwin has
increase the amount that Ohio spends in Medicaid, which means
he's probably in avertly increase the amount of fraud as well,

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just because whenever there's money rolling into the state, there's
going to be a percentage that's fraudulent.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Where do you see this thing going, Jim, Not just
here in Ohio, but you know across the country. It's
Minnesota right now, it's the holiday season. It probably isn't
getting a lot of attention from the general public just yet,
but you know January and the cold months of winter's
still await when people are in front of television sets
and whatnot. Where do you think this goes and how

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quickly do you think it goes? Knowing it's an election
year coming up.

Speaker 5 (01:18:41):
Well, because it's Tim Walton, because it's a Democrat state,
I think you're going to see President Trump and many
in the administration going after Minnesota. At the same time,
as I said all along, I think it's going to
backside and hit Ohio as well. Because you said this
and I agree. The second greatest population of Somolians is

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in Ohio. So we're going to get that backlash in Ohio.
And I think in the end, it's just going to
make people more unhappy with our political system and our
politicians and our elected officials. And we've got a November
election coming up. If you start to play the cards,
eventually people are going to say, I just want to

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get everybody out of there that's in office. We saw
that before. The sad thing is we have a majority
of Republicans right now, but they will pay the price
if that's the attitude of voters come November twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Happy New Year, Jim, And what I say happy New Year,
I mean happy and healthy and safe and you and
I will visit in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
Thanks same to you and all your listeners. Happy New Year.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
So there's a conservative lawyer and a Republican strategist named
mahet Cook, and Maheck Cook told Fox News earlier this
month that Minnesota just the tip of the spear, and
many Somalians in Columbus are great people, law abiding citizens
who came here legally, he went on to say. She

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went on to say, the problem today is not the community,
it's actually the criminals within the community. It doesn't matter
whether it's Somalians or pick another country, people from Ireland, Italy, Canada, Mexico, China, Ubekistan.
It doesn't matter. Fraud is fraud, and they're taking our money.

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And if that doesn't get you lit underneath the butt,
I don't know what will tax money taken from US Congress.
Better get quick on this seven hundred WLWT.

Speaker 4 (01:20:53):
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Ticket four thirty year Time five o'clock tip on seven
hundred WLWT. To build off the Jim Ornacy interview. It's

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awfully interesting to me that the exposure of fraud by
Somalians in Minnesota has happened by citizen journalists and independent journalists,
and that those working for major media outlets have either
completely ignored the story for whatever reasons, maybe political ideology

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or maybe because they were too stupid to find out
that there was something going on. Who knows. Journalistic curiosity
in this country is dead. But it was these citizens
journalists and these independent journalists that have uncovered these things.
And it's not just in Minnesota's it's apparently across major
major cities in Maine, Pennsylvania, Washington State and right here

(01:22:10):
as we just talked about with Reneesi in Ohio. So
he's right in the sense that, Okay, make a campaign
issue out of that. Bang on Tim Walls, and Tim
Walls is Elmer Fudd with dancing hands. Bang on him
all you want, but it may come home to haunt
in some of these states that have Republican governors as well.

(01:22:33):
We'll see where it goes. But it's you know, it's
your money, and it's my money. It's federal money. That's
what I would be screaming if I was on the
radio in Minnesota. This is our money. This is why
every April fifteenth we have to pay federal income tax.
We work hard for the money. As the song once

(01:22:54):
went ESPN reporting that there is yet another New England
Patriots player that has been arrested on assault and battery charges.
This time it is Christian Barmore. Now, apparently this incident
stemmed from August the eighth, all the way back then,
but it has only been since December sixteenth that it

(01:23:18):
wound up in front of the police, and Christian Barmore
is scheduled to be arraigned in a Massachusetts courtroom on
February third. This on the heels of what Stephan Diggs
has been accused of doing. So not so many fun
and games off the field for the New England Patriots

(01:23:38):
as they are going through an historically successful season on
the field and in college football right now. And I
want to make sure I get this right, because you know,
these bowl games anymore, they're not just this is the
Relyoquest Bowl. I'm sure that there was just a large
appetite to see the Relioquest Bowl. End of the third quarter,

(01:24:01):
Iowa twenty four Vanderbilt seventeen. Still to come tonight, A
couple of more of these ballgames, Arizona State, Duke, Michigan, Texas,
and then of course Ohio State Miami in the playoff
seven thirty tonight in the cotton Bowl. Do you like
dark chocolate and coffee? Well, those are two of my obsessions.

(01:24:22):
And apparently this is a good obsession I have because
dark chocolate and coffee not necessarily consumed together. But dark
chocolate and coffee have been linked to a reduction in
cell leader aging. Cell leader aging. Who doesn't want their
cells to slow down a little bit, so we don't
all get old Cragley and die. Well, we're all going

(01:24:44):
to die, but I mean ahead a schedule. People with
higher blood levels of something called theobromine seem to have
slowed cell lead aging, and this is a result of
a study that was done hon a significant group of
people over in the UK. Healthy living, we know, may
not make it a last longer, but it will make

(01:25:07):
you last healthier. And you want to stay healthy, right.
You don't want to be somebody that's just chair bound
or bedbound or whatever it may be in the final
five or ten years of your life. You want to
be you want to be young, You want to be vibrant.
At least that's what Paul Fulford tells me. He is
a healthy living expert. He is with Sinoshore or maybe

(01:25:28):
it's sino Shure. I'm not sure which way it is pronounced,
but Sinoshure Sinoshore Electronics, which is a leader in the
field of medical treatment systems. And he's another guy that says, look,
there could be something to this chocolate coffee thing. And
anybody that carves out time to be with us on
this New Year's Eve we appreciate, and we appreciate. Paul Fulford,
how are you on this New Year's Eve?

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
I'm doing wonderful. How are you doing, Ken.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
I'm doing well. Is it Sinoshure or Sinoshore?

Speaker 4 (01:25:55):
It is sino Shure Electronic.

Speaker 11 (01:25:58):
And I also have a podcast called Optimized Outcomes where
we discuss all kinds of topics like this, healthy living,
anti aging, biohacking, health wellness, mental, physical performance, all pushing
the outcomes.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Yes, wow, what is bio hacking?

Speaker 11 (01:26:15):
By the way, Basically, if you think about it in
terms of like a computer, where you're hacking a computer software,
the body has an operating system, right, And everything that
we have when we look at our biomarkers is in essence,
you know something that we can hack, and it's something

(01:26:36):
that you know is signaling right, So and what we're
talking about sort of in this topic is different signaling,
like with with what coffee and dark chocolate can do,
and if we can interrupt that signaling. You know, for
some reason, sometimes our DNA as we get older decides
not to repair itself as it did when we were
in our twenties and thirties. Right, So if we can

(01:26:57):
hack that and send the proper signaling to you, so
then we can actually, you know, forty forty is now
the new sixty.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
Basically you can you can fliplop it. Well, excuse me,
sixty is the new forty.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Yeah, yeah, ninety is the new seventy. It's just it's
all about aging. It's all about cellular aging. And I'm
reading here dark chocolate or coffee both can reduce celluator aging. Okay,
so explain that I like chocolate, I like coffee. Do
I eat more of those things and reduce my cellutor
aging and therefore all live to be one hundred and forty.

Speaker 4 (01:27:33):
I love where your head is that ken? So the
headlight is fun.

Speaker 11 (01:27:37):
You know, the science is interesting, but if you know,
we've got to keep it honest here, right, there's a
there's a new study that the doubts. That shows that
there's an association, not proof that that chocolate is a
thought of youth. And what it does suggest is people
with higher levels of the compound called field bromine tend
to show signs of slower biological age.

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
I'm certain at the genetic clocks.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
Okay. So the study that was done, I guess research
was done in the UK. They had participants in two groups.
There were like five hundred women in one group and
eleven hundred and fifty men and women in another group.
Both had the average age of sixty. So they started
with that baseline, and then of course they they jimmy

(01:28:25):
the test so that one would get these I guess
THEO one of the theobromines that would that would increase
the likelihood of cellular aging being put on slow and
others did not. What are we to make of that?
Is it a big enough test to say, Okay, I'm

(01:28:47):
going to, you know, maybe increase my intake in chocolate,
increase my incake and coffee, or at the very least
make it part of what I do on a diet basis,
on a weekly or monthly level, that I can continue
getting those particular things into my bloodstream and into my body.
What are we to make of this test?

Speaker 11 (01:29:07):
Well, I mean if you look at that one that
we're talking about, and like, there's other ones we can
point to. But there were two big groups of people
right mostly around sixty one cool heart was the Twins
UK with about five hundred and nine women, and the
other one was the Cora cool Heart in Germany.

Speaker 4 (01:29:23):
That had eleven hundred and sixty men and women.

Speaker 11 (01:29:26):
And they measured the theobromine in the blood using different tests,
and they looked at the DNA methylation patterns that ran
the epigenetic clock models and so in playing English, they
looked at chemical tags on DNA that shift when age
can be used to estimate biological aging.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
This so I was just gonna say, but this this alkaloid,
this theobromine, theobromine, I'm glad to believe that's more of
something that's in chocolate then it is in coffee or tea.
In other words, if somebody's listening to this and they're
thinking at oh, chocolate, yeah, it's going to slow down

(01:30:08):
the aging, or coffee it's going to slow down my aging.
And you know, they start downing triple shot lattes four
or five times a day. Their heart's going to explode.
So I guess what are we talking about moderation here, Paul?

Speaker 4 (01:30:21):
So you know, you don't, You're You're exactly right.

Speaker 11 (01:30:24):
They don't need to start pounding expressos or eating bricks
of dark chocolate tonight, right.

Speaker 4 (01:30:29):
You know, if you if you do that, you're.

Speaker 11 (01:30:30):
Gonna feel young for about forty five minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
Then you're gonna die. Then your your heart rate at
two am is going to be serious.

Speaker 11 (01:30:40):
Right, So the study does not tell us you know this,
you know, in the studies don't tell us how much
chocolate or coffee to consume. It didn't even really reliably
track coffee intaking a peru tice way. It looked at
the biomarker in the blood one point at a time.

Speaker 5 (01:30:58):
Right.

Speaker 11 (01:30:58):
So that's the big limitation with this stuff. And again
that's why in the in the beginning we were talking
about them. It looks like something that you want to
you know, implement, but it's there's not like a lot
of clinical evidence showing there's there's associations not you know, basically,
this is not a prescription for something, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
Right, No, exactly exactly and I think with a lot
of these things that pop up from time to time
on poll pop culture, that's the way they should be
taken as things that, look, this can do your body
some good, but anything in excess can do your body harm.
And so keep that in the back of your mind.
There are a lot of people tonight, right now, today,

(01:31:40):
probably for the last few days, that have been thinking about, Okay,
how can I live healthier in twenty twenty six? And
you know, the normal things come to the top of
the list. Get some sleep, go to the gym, even
if you just go out for a walk every day
is going to help you in some way, shape or
form make you feel healthier. But what about eating? Because
you can't run away from a bad diet. We can

(01:32:02):
talk all we want about exercising, it's not going to
be You're not going to be able to exercise your
way out of a bad diet. What should people be
thinking about tonight today, whatever it may be, about living
healthier in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 11 (01:32:18):
Well, that's a great question, and it is you know,
right on time as far as what time of year
we're in, and it is it is.

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
You know, I talk about this a lot.

Speaker 11 (01:32:27):
You know, like we talked about with the things that
I do, and uh, there's a couple of different things
I find myself going to run. You know, we were
talking about biohacking earlier, and it's in the tech world.
It's it's garbage and garbage out. If you have bad inputs,
you're going to have bad outputs, right, So if you're
if you're eating, you know, I don't care what side

(01:32:48):
of the aisle somebody falls on. Make America Healthy Again
as an importing initiative, and we're looking at a lot
of the things with the food supply when it as
it relates to how somebody should be eating. There's kind
of like a rule of thumb where it's like ninety
thirty fifty, where it's ninety grams of protein, thirty grams

(01:33:10):
of healthy fats, and fifty grams of nutrient dent. You know,
carbs are in your whole foods, right, and it's.

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
Also calories in calories out right.

Speaker 11 (01:33:20):
You've got a lot of things out now with GLP
ones and those are a big buzzword with people losing weight,
which you've got to mitigate those. There's actually a lot
there's been a study and it's now a Netflix show
called Blue Zones, and they look into these centurions and
in these different pockets of the world where people live
the longest, and they have three basic things in common.

Speaker 5 (01:33:43):
One they have.

Speaker 11 (01:33:46):
They eat nutrient dense whole foods, right, no garbage, nutrient
dense whole foods. They have regular levels of activity, and
that can just mean not necessarily hardcore working out. It
could be regularly walking, they're performing pasts on a regular basis,
they're taking stairs, they're not taking elevators, They're doing all
these regular things. And then the third thing is having

(01:34:07):
a sense of community, having emotional connections. Those three things
people that live the longest in the world have. And
if there's two areas that people can look at and
dial in for longevity, it's making sure that gut health
is down in and that they have some muscle that
they're working on building muscles. Those are your two biggest

(01:34:28):
markers for identifying longevity.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
What are nutrient dense foods? You said nutrient dense foods.
I think before when you were breaking it down, it
was protein, and then I think you said something with
regards to dense carbohydrates. If I'm not mistaken, what do
you know about those things.

Speaker 11 (01:34:46):
So when I say that, I mean like if you
think about like a Mediterranean diet, right, you look at
eating the rainbow as far as the vegetables can be concerned, right,
you want things that are Again, again, it's more expensive
beat this way. And I think that's why the food
supply piece is a great thing, because if we can

(01:35:07):
find ways to make food better, healthier and more accessible,
that's better.

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
But you want to eat.

Speaker 11 (01:35:13):
Your complex carbs, right, you want to eat things that
are You're better off eating a sweet potato versus a
white potato.

Speaker 4 (01:35:21):
There's as far as nutrient dnse.

Speaker 11 (01:35:23):
Whole foods, there's a lot of things where like if
you go to Costco, it's like practical examples. They have
these jackfruit chips where they are something that you can
have that's crunchy, something that has a lot of very
minimal colork intake with a lot of nutrient dense aspects
to it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:41):
So there's a wide range of nutrient dnse whole foods
that we can eat. Right.

Speaker 11 (01:35:46):
That also, eating those things fills you up longer, Especially
protein definitely fills you up longer.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
And when you're eating.

Speaker 11 (01:35:55):
Foods, it also requires you to consume energy and calorie
is to process those foods, right. So nutrient dent is
kind of a broad word that speaks to eating basically
whole organic fruits and vegetables that are consuming and filling
that will provide that either carb to carb the sugar conversion,

(01:36:19):
and again, getting your sugar from fruits is a lot
better way to get your sugars versus drinking sugar in
your coffee, right, because that's what our body uses for energy.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
No, I mean all of that makes sense. The other
thing that makes sense to me, and it was told
to me many many years ago. And every time I
walk into a Kroger, which is a major grocery chain
here in Ohio and Kentucky, I walk in there and
I was told shop the perimeter of the store because invaribly,
that's where the healthiest foods are. And then as you

(01:36:52):
get into the aisles, you get into the things that
if you actually read the label, some of those things
would absolutely shot as to what's in those foods. And
if you don't understand what's on the label of something
you're buying, it probably shouldn't buy it. But the is
the store is where the healthiest foods.

Speaker 11 (01:37:11):
Are you know ken that's that did one hundred percent.
I've said that same statement many times, right, And then
when you are in the aisles, you one hundred percent
have to look at the labeling because if it's something
you can't pronounce, you shouldn't need it. Right, And there's
a big push now with again because and it has

(01:37:32):
to do like you look at the marketing for the
companies and I'm not knocking their hustle.

Speaker 4 (01:37:36):
They have to move product, but they switch. Right. It
was for the longest time it was low fat, no fat.
Then now then there was the gluten free push. Now
it's high protein.

Speaker 11 (01:37:45):
There's protein in everything because of the need for protein
with people on these glp ones and everything else. So
the sourcing of the materials and if you can't pronounce it,
I mean, the fewer the ingredients, the better you one
hundred sending me out it with shop the perimeter and
when you go into the aisles, you've got to read
the labels and have your phone so that you can

(01:38:06):
look it up.

Speaker 1 (01:38:06):
Yeah, you've got Paul Fulford Sino shore Elutronics. Sino Shore
Leutronic is where you can find him. And again the
name of your podcast that has all that great stuff
that you were talking about. Where do people what's the
name of it, Where do people find it?

Speaker 11 (01:38:21):
It's called Optimized Outcomes and it's on Spotify, Apple Music,
and YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
As they say, all platforms. Paul, good stuff. Happy new
Year to you, Happy healthy new year to you. I
sense I don't have to say that, but in any
event I will. Happy healthy new year to you, and
thank you for your time today. We appreciate it you
as well. Thank you, Kenn you. Yeah. I'm going to
run out tonight, have the biggest piece of chocolate cake
I can find and wash it down with a I'll

(01:38:49):
make it a decaf, you know. Got to get to
sleep at some point two fifty four on this New
Year's Eve, twenty twenty five, News Radio seven hundred w
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