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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And also here in the tri State, and of course
the Bengals teed up on Sunday with the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
God knows what's going to happen with that.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Plus it was discovered yesterday by some enterprising reporters with
The Inquirer that frost Brown is going to be paid
between forty and one hundred thousand dollars a bunch of
money to investigate the chief of police for wrongdoing, to
give the mayor a reason for what he did. The
mayor indirectly but through share along the city manager fire
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Chief of Police Thiji, and now the mayor and the
city manager wants to our big time law firm to
discover why the mayor did what he did. Joining me
now with this and so many of the other issues
since the Sheriff of Butler County, Richard K. Jones and
Sheriff welcome again to the Bill Cunningham showing first of all,
as an outside observer looking at the mess on city
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Council as an outside observer of what's happening. Can you
imagine the police chief who's been a cop for like
thirty five years, her family have been cops for like
one hundred years, standing next to the mayor for news
conference after news conference after news conference in which everyone's
on the same page, sharel long the city manager who's
completely incompetent, and then the mayor who's way over his skis,
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and the chief is standing there, and the three of
them agree that they're doing what's right. They're holding down crime.
There's all kind of transparency, and at no point did
the mayor indicate the chief of police was somehow on
her own. All of a sudden, the election gets close,
the mayor needs a scapegoat, and the escapegoat is a
woman named Teresa Thiji. So, as a law enforcement official
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with some forty years, you've been in law enforcement about
as long as I've been in radio, how do you
perceive the behavior of the elected officials in Cincinnati when
they want to dump everything onto the shoulders of Fiji?
When she did what the mayor wanted her to do.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Anyway, Look, she's a great person, great family, great background,
good people, and the people that she worked four or
the worst, the worst of the worst. Your mayor is
a goof and and he's running in a race, and
what they do is they sacrifice people. He has no
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idea what's going on, She's not She wasn't allowed to
fix anything. And then you got the sheriff that's sitting
on the empty cells because the courts won't put him
in jail, and it's the prosecutor. You got a perfect storm,
and they're all blaming it on the police chief. I
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know her, I know her well. Like I said, she
was never allowed to do her job because of these goofs,
these incompetence. But that's who they elect down there. How
would you like to be a business downtown? Restaurant, Rubies,
all these restaurants and look and those people donate to
these people's campaign thousands of dollars, and who the hell
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would want to go to Cincinnati. I'm not one of them,
And I'm just telling you it's a terrible situation. The
people that have businesses downtown, Who the hell would want
to go to Fountain Square where they shoot people. It's terrible.
Those businesses have to be feeling it, and they're going
to continue to feel it because what they'll do is
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they'll do a national search. They'll find some they'll find
some goof somewhere that's been fired like forty two times,
and they'll bring them to Cincinnati, like these big cities,
and it'll be the same thing, turnover after turnover after turnover.
They don't the courts won't put them. They have a
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no cash bond. Everybody goes free. The jails sitting on
empty beds, and you've got a sanctuary city. You got
everything that can go wrong. They have debt out the ass,
they owe money. They don't. Butler County we have no
debt none. We're building a brand new dish spat center
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and more for the corner combined together thirty five million dollars. Look,
and they paid cash for it. There's no debt. They're
sitting all probably one hundred and seventy one hundred and
seventy million to the good.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
All good.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
We have one commissioner that's kind of a goof, that's Carpenter.
But other than that, here in Butler County, we're doing good.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Sheriff.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Can you imagine just on the city pension Cincinnati one
hundred years ago had his own pension system before PRS
was ever created, and the shortfall on the city pension
system is well over a billion dollars. Now to a
little city like Cincinnati, a billion dollars, maybe a trillion dollars.
On top of that, they spent years telling the police chief,
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do not enforce the law. In other words, we have
situations of speeding in dui and reckless operation. We have
situation open air drug use, homelessness, drug encampments, et cetera.
And the chief of police is told by Scotti Johnson
on city council and by Cheryl Long, the city manager,
who's completely over her head, do not enforce the law
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because too many people arrested look like us. So not
going to arrest people because of the color of their skin.
That's called racism. So here you got a proud member
of the Neville family. The Nevills have been police officers
for like seventy five years. She comes in and wants
to enforce the law. She said, well, you can't walk
around Washington Park smoking pot, and you can't be intervening
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drug using. You've got to get the homelesses off the streets.
And I don't want to reclassify a shooting in which
bullets go through a car as property damage as a misdemeanor.
I want to classify that as a felony. Well, the
mayor and the city manager won't let her, and so
they reclassify offenses, they ignore criminal violations. And now not
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about what about a week ago when the city manager
supposedly fired I think it's called administrative lee. But it's
going to be fired Terese. The mayor said it's time
we start arresting people for misdemeanors. I would think it
is a basic tenement of law enforcement. Now, when you
see somebody in your presence committing a drug offense, do
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you tell your man and women in Butler County if
you see somebody walking around the streets, are you having
a needle in their arm? Or living in a homeless
encampment in downtown Hamilton? No, you see somebody smoking pot
walking around? What do you tell your many women to
do in uniform?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Hey, we do what we're supposed to. We're supposed to
keep everybody safe. You're not allowed to do that. It's
against the law. Hey, you're good to jail and you
only have to do that. Listen, you only have to
do that a little bit. Bill, they'll go somewhere else.
We try to tell them, go to Cincinnati. They got
everything there, they got the best welfare system in the world.
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They'll give you three money. They won't put you in jail.
You can lay on the streets do whatever you want.
You can do those race car things where you close
the highway down, protest and block the bridges off. But
don't go to Kentucky because they'll whip your ass put
you in jail. Yes, hey, you made us some mistake
crossing that bridge. But listen, they had a good police chief.
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They have the best police department in the United States,
one of the best. I know them. They're not allowed
to do their job. Can't blame them. They're so screwed
up and like I said, empty beds in jail because
the judges won't put them in jail. Everybody gets bonded
out before they get the paperwork done. It's it's sanctuary city.
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But again, the businesses downtown are suffering. People. Hey, the
word is don't go there. You get turned around and
get on the wrong street. Hey, you're going to get shot,
You're going to get beat down, and if you try
to defend yourself, you will be indicted and charged with
a crime for being a victim. Terrible national news and embarrassment.
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The mayor should resign immediately. One of the worst men
I've ever seen. He should quit like yesterday.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Let me give you a little story about Judge Josh Berkowitz
had them on twice since Labor Day. Every day as
the administrative judge presiding Judge heimlic Keuny Municipal Court, he
gets a availability of beds available in the jail because
the judges, you might recall when my wife was on
the bench about ten fifteen years ago, there was a
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movement of foot by Sean Donovan by side lease.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
We had to build another jail now.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
The cost was going to be one hundred million dollars
and there'd be a five year sales tax increase of
a half a percent that would sunset after five years
to raise one hundred million in order to build a
brand new jail in addition to the one we have now.
Because they were double betting and judges were told in
the morning penny would get something at eight a m.
In the morning, we can't accept any prisoners today, and
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so you have to act tough on the bench. You
had to say, well, don't do that again. But you
couldn't send these gang bangers and criminals to jail because
the jail said we won't accept them. That's how things function.
Ten to fifteen years ago, and now let's fast forward
to twenty twenty five. Josh Berkowitz, running for reelection, says
he gets that update every day. Between two and four
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hundred beds are available every day in Amy County jail.
And this isn't Charmaine mcguffey's fault because she doesn't sendenced
people to jail. The judges in Hamlety County, half of
them are liberal Democrats who believe in something called restorative justice.
I see campaign literature of Democrats restorative justice, and they
don't think people should go to jail. We have a horrible,
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lousy juvenile court judge named Bloom, Carrie Bloom, who thinks
especially black boys should not be sent to jail because
of reparations and restorative justice. So instead of him, we
have more crime, more shots fired, more victims, more robberies,
more drug sales, more breaking into cars, more stolen cars
than we've ever had, and we have fewer people in
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the jail proportionally we've ever had. And so half the
judges are Republican, half the judges are Democrat. If you
get in front of a Democrat judge and as an
experienced criminal defense attorney, you know how to work the
case to get in front of one of these judges.
When I practice law actively, i'd look in room May
who's coming up the weeks ahead, and I try to
get me an easy sentencing judge. I didn't want to
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go in front of a judge crush. I didn't want
to go in front of Judge Matthews or Judge I
didn't want to go in front of any of the
tough judges.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I want to go in front of the easy ones.
You work the.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
System to make sure your client is sentenced by an
easy judge.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And so when you have two to three one hundred
empty beds, that is chaos, Sheriff, that is absolute chaos.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Hey, listen, the city is known for that. Right now.
It's really sad. And again that's who these people elect
and it's going to continue to be that way. The
business is downtown until they get the nerve to start
firing these people not supporting them and get people in there.
They give them happy talk, Hey, we're going to fix it.
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We're going to get in the new police to you
van going to fix anything. It's that they'll get some
person that's been fired from some other department somewhere else.
Probably won't hire anybody from within at all. They'll go
outside and they'll find some person that will be like
what they want them to do, and they will do it. Listen,
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you're absolutely correct as far as trying to judge shop
people that are listening to your station right now.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
When you were in.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
College, you didn't pick the hard the hard professor. You
went down, Hey, this one's hard, that one's no, I'm
going to go to this one. Hey, you don't have
to do but one term paper. They don't come very often.
They're liberal. That's who you picked. When you were in college.
You didn't pick the hardest one. Same with the judges
they picked. They judge shop. It's not rocket science, but
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the system is so broke. The mayor, the city council,
the city manager all broke down. Listen, I tell people
here in Butler County, we're so fortunate. We're a thirty
minute drive maybe twenty five from downtown, say Cincinnati, right,
totally different.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Here.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
We got jails, we've got judges, prosecutors, good police departments,
and we run it here. That's why people want to
come here. Thirty minute drives from here downtown Hamilton, Butler County,
the county seat to total chaos.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Thirty minute drive.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
That's how if we were like Cincinnati, we would have
the same issues.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
But we are not sure.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
If you've been accused of the social activist online that
you are monetizing and making money off illegals, can you
tell the American people how much money the Feds are
paying you in Butler County to house inmates in the
Butler County jail. I'd say, on a yearly basis, how
much money are you as to county getting.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Hey, we're going to bring in twenty two million next year.
In the last twenty twenty years we bought in over
two hundred and the next this year, next year, and
into twenty seven we're going to bring in a quarter
of a billion with a b a quarter of a
billion dollars. And that's what we're bringing into the county here. Now,
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do we get paid to bring prisoners here? Sure we do.
We don't do it for free. We work with ice.
We lock people up. The ice goes with us. We
don't have the authority to make the arrest on ICE charges,
but ice goes with us or thereby phone where we
make contact, they put the charges on them. We go
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out with them to assist them, and we help them.
We don't let them throw rocks at the police here.
We don't let them spit on the police. Here. You
can spit on the police, but you go to the
hospital first, then you'll come to jail. You throw a
rock at us or a brick, you're able to get shot.
So and if you jump in front of a car
of one of our citizens here, they'll probably run over you.
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That's what happens. That's the difference. It's the difference there.
Thirty minute drive and do we keep our community safe? Yes,
we've probably arrested a hunt probably ice with us. ICE
is probably arrested. One hundred and fifty illegals are in
Butler County.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Oh, you know, sounds to me like you're monetizing the
misery of others. According to the social activists, they don't
like the idea that you're housing these criminals. Claremont County
is starting to do the same thing in Boone County.
And you're talking about a quarter of a billion dollars
in Butler County. That's a crap load of money and
it's housing individuals that are. They're not with you long.
They might have a hearing, might not, and they're they're
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in and they're.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Out three weeks. That's how long they stay because there
is no federal jail space other than the county jails.
And we're doing our part. Seventy eight percent of America
once these people shipped out, that's who they voted for.
Democrat and Republican. And the activists that come here don't
want you to make any arrest. But listen, they're here.
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They're here illegally. I've seen something today, I haven't verified it.
At fifty million illegals that are in the United States,
fifty million over so many years get welfare fifty millis
and so trying. The Democrats are trying to get it
to where they can get this bill open the government
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back up only if that continues to give health care
to the illegals.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Thirty seconds remaining. How long would it take Sheriff first
Richard K. Jones to clean up the city of Cincinnati, Hey.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I said six months earlier. I could do it in
three months. They'd have to give me a contract. I'd
have to be able to keep my job as the
sheriff and butler County. I could fix that. The police
would love me, All law enforcement would love me. I
would get with the judges, I'd get with the prosecutor,
do the best I can. We would make a rest.
We would flood the courts, and we'd run people off
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the streets, and all the punks and thugs, we'd run
them off, juveniles.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Everything would be over.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Well.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I'm going to talk to maybe the city manager. I'm
gonna see if I get you appointed the interim police chief.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Would you like that?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
For three months and a contract and to come fire
big three months and we'd have to get with the
prosecutor here to make sure I could keep my job
here as the shore.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
We'll do both very easily. Richard K.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Jones, you're the best there is. Thanks for coming on
the Bill Cunningham Shaw, I'm gonna start promoting you to
become the chief of police of the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Hey, the police would allow it.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Got sheriff, thank you, the chief of police, Richard K. Jones,
thank you very much. See here, mat all right, let's
continue with more now that would be something to cover
on news radio seven hundred.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Rising downtown violence and political pressure have catalyzed the chaos
regarding the Cincinnati Police Chief. While the interim chief steadies
the ship. Will community leaders turn to a tried and
true veteran to become police chief permanently, or will a
fresh face rise from within the ranks to restore calm
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and credibility. As speculation is swirling, keep it here for
the latest on seven HUNDREDLW.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You know what your customers are doing right this second,
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