11-3-25 Bill Cunningham Show

Willie talks with Iris Roley of the Collaborative about accusations made against her. Also Mo Egger breaks down the disastrous weekend for Cincinnati sports. Finally FOP President Ken Kober responds to Iris Roley's comments about him and the police department.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
By Billy Cunningham, The Great America and talk about the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Later on we had Moe coming up.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Plus FC was a complete disaster, as was as you
see Bearcatcher's problems everywhere. But in the studio with me
right now is Iris, Rolie and Iris welcome to the
Bill Cunningham Show. I think for the first time, is
that correct?

Speaker 3 (00:23):
That is absolutely correct.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Let's talk about what happened last night in Cincinnati and
on Sunday we had something the range of I don't know,
seven or eight people were shot, one was murdered. According
to most of the accounts, the city is ripe with
violence of one type or another. And as the collaborator
described to the American people, what your role is with
the city at this point?

Speaker 3 (00:46):
So Willie, what my role is with the city currently
is what my role has been almost for twenty five years,
prior to me signing a contract to be consultant to
the city manager on you on the work of policing
public safety, to work through the collaborative agreement. So for
twenty two years, I just want to say to you
and your listeners, I dedicated myself. My husband allowed me

(01:06):
to My husband of thirty one years has allowed me
to give them myself freely to the work of the
Collaborative Agreement, so that meant no pay. We had no budget,
we had no staff, we had nothing. And this was
from the community's lines. This is from the Black United
Front lines, the people who came together collectively and said
we're going to sue the city the FOP in this
police alleging racial profile. Now, mister Cunningham, I know folks

(01:27):
get all up in their panties about well, what does
that mean she's anti police? You're absolutely incorrect. Iris Rowley
has done work greater than most people in the city,
and I'm grateful to my spouse and to the Black
United Front and everybody who's put work into the hands
of the Collaborative Agreement, including the police.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Let's talk about the police, because as a collaborator of sorts,
you have to work with different groups. One most important
groups is the police.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
I had Ken Cobra on the head of the union
about a month ago on Friday, Ken, and he said
that they have no confidence in you. They said that
you involved yourself wrongfully, possibly criminally in arrest. They had
video of you interfering with the police. Arrest and they
have no confidence in you. So if one of the
main parties of the collaborative is the police, and the

(02:15):
police don't want to collaborate with.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
You, a problem.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Yeah, that is a problem. So listen, So Willie, I
got into this in a very hostile rep way, right.
So we were at the cusp of fifteen unarmed black
men being killed at the hands of the police. The
city had gone through civil unrest, major corporations, people didn't
want to come. We were asking people to boycott downtown Cincinnati,
and we downtown tourism and we were effective, and the
whole world saw the Cincinnati was having issues with the

(02:39):
black community and the police. That's what we rode into
federal court with thirty years of problematic policing. Now in
the past twenty five years, if you got one incident
that you're upset what Iris wrote it about, I say,
she gets an A plus.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
I have there several incidents. No, no, no, I've seen
three or four.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
No, So don't do that. You saw two videos, and
you saw two videos, one on a Saturday, of which
I was called downtown to help a family who's sixteen
year old was killed by a fourteen year old. So
I get up. Because I work all the time, I
don't know when IRIS really gets off. So I'm gonna
ask your listeners to tell me that because I go
from consultant to just advocacy and doing what people want
all the time. Right, that's not fair. However, so when

(03:18):
I get a call from one of my guys, it
works on Government Square, and by the way, they've been
doing phenomenal work. Call me and say, can you help
the family. They don't know where the body is. They
don't know this, they don't know that. Get up out
of my bed, meet them at a thirty in the morning.
I stand on Main Street for five hours outside of
the building with his baby was murdered, right, did not
even know that helping the family to identify where the

(03:39):
body was. And that's nobody's business but mine. I elected
to do that as the great person I am, as
Jesse's wife and his mom, and as a community caregiver.
This is who I am and this is who I
have been. So I go there. I help the family.
We stand outside, Willie outside for five hours. So I
stand outside, find the baby, find the funeral home, find

(04:00):
all these things, go around the corner to get something
to eat because I'm hungry. I'm noticing all these folk
walking around with cups. They have alcohol, and I'm a contributor.
I am a tax payer, and I pay attention to
my town. So folk want to be mad because I
pay attention to Cincinnati. We'll be mad. I have at it.
But I'm noticing a lot of folk walking around with
beer and wine and cups on me?

Speaker 5 (04:18):
Is this?

Speaker 3 (04:19):
This is not a door? What's happening? So we leave
there now? Remember I spend five hours go get an
Ampanada so I can go home now to contend to
my business. I see right where I'm about to move
into because I go live on Green and Republic. Try
to live down there for thirty days so I can
do some problem solving. But we'll get back to that
because that's still part of the district. I'm going to
get there. To you, attorney, no, no, no, I sound like

(04:42):
a tax payer. I sound like a person who's not
whose voice hasn't been heard so that you can hear
the goodness and you can stop trying to find the
bad and the and the goodness.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Now let me the police don't want to collaborate with you.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
That's not police. That's not all the police. It was
seven people, ten people. So so one of the things
that I have for you, mister Cunningham, because I alway
told you we're gonna try to get me, is I
literally just got back with Now it's some.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Chief Ham I'm not getting. I'm reporting facts to you.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
I don't know if his facts because I don't.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
I don't talk to he said collaborate.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
I talked to Can Kobra and he's not said that
to me. My husband talked to King Cobra. He's not
said they did. Now I've read it in the newspaper.
But they have no choice. You said that the police
are the main character. They're not. The community is the
number one the number one stakeholder in the collaborative agreement
is the community community, the black community. Cincinnati's majority white city. Well,

(05:35):
but the majority white city wasn't having fitting on white
men killed at the hands.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
They were all justified.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
No, they were not.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Which one wasn't other than Steven Roach.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
And and and in our in our community, that's what
we were told. They were justified because there were no investigations.
Mister Cunningham, and I see where you want to go.
But I'm gonna keep moving us forward because that's what
Cincinnati is, and that's what the Collaborative has actually helped
Cincinnati do move forward. Had we not built in the
framework of sayre and problem solving to address public safety

(06:07):
and policing issues, we wouldn't have all the development. You
wouldn't have a downtown that you see is vibrant. The
Collaborative helped rebuild Cincinnati. And you know, I don't know
if you know this, mister Cunningham, but the police and
I have traveled the country together to talk about it.
So when you say police, whom are you talking about?
I just got back from Madison Westconsin.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
You should the FOP said they won't collaborate with you,
and you're wrong.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Well, who's FOP? I mean there are many there are
many members.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Well, there are many members.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
And you don't have to meet the police to be
an FOP.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Surely when that happened, there was some The mayor came
on some of the media and said that they're going
to meet with you and they're going to identify problems
when you interfere with an arrest and hopefully that'll get better.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Did you meet with.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
The mayor about your involvement and the arrest of a
person that you seem to interfere with.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Did you get But your facts are wrong. No one
was arrested. There was a recitable ticket. So that's how
I know you're speaking for ill because your facts are
not wrong.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Conference, they're going to get with you and counsel you
and help you to understand. Did you ever speak to
the mayor on that issue?

Speaker 3 (07:08):
I'm spoking to the mayor about many issues.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Did he talk about that issue? Did he change your behavior?
Did he change your behavior?

Speaker 3 (07:16):
I don't think so, mister. No, No, I don't think so.
And here's what I didn't do because if I broke
the law, I expect to.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Be arrested, but they did not because.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
They just want to take.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
A problem.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Well, mister Cunningham, let me tell you what the way
younger than I'm gonna call you, mister Cunningham, but I'm
old enough to be respected. And so here's the deal.
If I broke the law, I would expect for any
officer that I've talked to, and I've talked to way
more cops than you have. I've talked to way more
cops than most of the people that you bring in
your studio. You know why I can say that, mister Cunningham,

(07:51):
because I talked to every recruit class. I have done
that since the year of two thousand and eight. Now
here's where I think people get their panties in a
bunch and forget me for my colorful language, because I'm
very colorified. I don't know, so I don't know. I
don't know. So, so, mister Gunnaham, here's what I will

(08:12):
say to you again in twenty five years if that
is the issue that you have. And I've not killed anyone,
I'm not I'm not believe I'm not. But if the
police say that they because the officer officer heard who
I spoke to was the same officer twice, female copt
the same officer twice. And I'm not going to tell
you the story because I don't think you're interested in facts.
You all want a gaslight. But that's cool too, because

(08:33):
you can do that.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
I report the facts, but.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
The facts were it was a recitable ticket.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Did the mayor ever talk to you and say, Irish,
kind of calm down a little bit, don't interfere with
an arrested and tell you that.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
The mayor after a peer of all which we should
re elect. Has always been concerned with my well being
and has always been answer The question has always been policed.
I am I'm answering the way that I think that.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
You deserve an answer, yes or no?

Speaker 6 (08:57):
Did?

Speaker 3 (08:58):
I've talked to the mayor about many things.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Okay, Now on another issue, the issue of the collaborative.
Do you think after twenty five years, there's many dozens
of police agencies in the Tri State, dozens of police
agencies since time police is one of many police agencies,
only one has a collaborative. Do you think the police
in Cincinnati have racial tendencies of such a quality that

(09:23):
the collaborative needs to be an effect when all the
other police agencies in the Tri State don't. What's unique
about Cincinnati police? Who've had black police chiefs, black captains,
et cetera, with black mayors.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Black cities have one black captain right now well in
the past, So we have diversity diversity, Yeah, we still
have issues of competency that we have issues of diversity
as respect to who is in our police division period.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
The question is what is unique about CPD that all
the other police agencies don't need someone like you to
implement the collaborative. Are they different than all the other
agencies in Ambliny County.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
I think that they're not courageous enough. One they've not
been sued, so we sued CPD in federal court, so
you have to do the mandate of the federal court.
And what I do appreciate about what's unique about CPD
is all of this training and all of this work
and understanding around who the people are that they do police.
I think they're extremely unique. I've been trained by the best.
And that's what I said to King Cober the day

(10:18):
of what you're talking about. When you said, I interrupted,
I'm trained by CPD, so I know how to I
know how to read you, I know how to read
your body language, and I know how to read someone
standing by you. There was no threat of violence. I've
been trained by CPD very well. So I saw that
and it was it was an.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Interest question, or since I police still racist?

Speaker 3 (10:37):
If you look at the data that comes from our
Citizens Complain Authority, seventy percent of our complaints are by
African Americans. I'll let you finish it.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Answer the question.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
They may not be racist. I don't know what they are.
I don't. So they may be policing differently in one
way than they are in this way. And this is
the beauty of the collaborative. This is a job that
taxpayers pay for. I pay taxes, mister Cunningham. I'm looking
for reciprocity on my tax dollar, not only investment into
the community. But I'm looking at reciprocity, and not only that,

(11:06):
mister Cunningham, I'm looking at how I can fit into
this and help what the collaborative has done for the
city of Cincinnati, Dear sir, if you're looking for facts,
it has reduced injuries to officers, lawsuits, injuries to citizens. So, yes,
it's unique. Yes, it's still needs. Yes we still have
a long way.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Not Hamlety County Sheriff's office, Green Town, not Sycamore Township,
Cincinnati Police.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
All of them, all of them. So you're that you're no, sir,
not but you're the attorney. So can you legally sue
multiple agencies at one time? No, you can't. I'll answer
we were only we could only sue in Cincinnati. But
what I will say to you, dear sir, mister Cunningham,
is that all of the ones that you just said
out of your mouth. They need help and guess what

(11:53):
they borrow from BAM, the collaborative agreement.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Tracy Hunter, Hunter, Judge Hunter, Judge Hunter, and speak for herself.
She'd be for herself.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
So she you went out and picket at the home
of my good friend, Judge Patrick dink Locker to protest
a sentence that he imposed on Tracy Hunter.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Protests a sentence and protest the injustice and protest him
having no drug out of court. Yes, I did, all right.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yes, she was convicted by a multi racial jury of
one count of felony. She went through the entire appeal
process for years and dink Locker is still in court
right now. It wasn't the trial judge. It was Natal
who left the bench. And then you took it upon
yourself to picket someone's home for following their legal duty
to give her a sentence.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Which, by the way, and that's what make Dan Heels
upset and said, I shouldn't be collaborating. So since the exception, well,
extremely when Pat dink a Locker issues justice fairly in
our ho and so and listen and listen, this is
the greatest point of democracy that you can disagree and
we did no damage to his home. We didn't dox him.
We didn't put his address out in the universe to say, go,

(13:00):
hey threaten his wife and kids are grandkids. I'm like
folks that listen to seven hundred. Wow, that has happened
to me. Since all of this stuff, all this vituol
and discord has come about a collaborative agreement in Iris Rowly.
So yes, sir, I did utilize one tool in the
Civil Rights Handbook too.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Are you I get away?

Speaker 5 (13:17):
No?

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Why would I be.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Sorry because it was wrongful?

Speaker 7 (13:20):
No?

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Why is it because the judge simply did his or
her job. In this case, it was a man.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
And we simply disagree.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Disagree. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Also, when it comes down to what happened on July
twenty sixth, did you meet with the victims of the
beatdown on July twenty sixth, the so called wife victims
and talk to them about what happened to them?

Speaker 3 (13:39):
No, Sarah did not.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (13:40):
They didn't call me?

Speaker 1 (13:42):
What do you have to only you respond to circumstances.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
People call my phone all the time, mister Gunaham. People
call my phone and they want help. They didn't call me.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
The three CDC put out a video about a week
ago which clearly demonstrated that the future criminal defendant started
this thing with Alex t as I called and he
was hit first. Yet the city leader stood up about
a week later and demanded criminal charges against a person
because of the color of their skin happened to be white,
white person.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Charge, No, sir, don't do that. Don't do that. I'm
just saying what I don't do that. Don't do that.
Don't you No, no, don't don't don't make.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Thee don't make it basant based on race, A person
would charge.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Because all of the African Americans were charged, and then
they were charged with additional charges from.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
The class case the other ones who committed criminal actions.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
But here's what I will tell you. I spoke to
Interim police Chief Handy on Friday.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
You should have been put on administrative leave.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
I don't that's that's above mine. No, I can't say
yes or no that I'm not man.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Have you told police that she should not have been
put on leaves?

Speaker 3 (14:44):
I would not say that. I would not interfere in
the question about that.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Absolutely, about the civil rights leader standing up and demanding
a person to be charged of the crime based upon race.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
Based is that based on equity and fairness, based on
the application, based on the application of the law. But
let me say this. The fact is I spoke to
Interim Chief Heney on Friday because I couldn't remember if
this is a video that I knew that they had
seen or that I had seen, because there were so
many videos. Okay, right, there are tons of them. There
was tons of them. So when I spoke to Interim

(15:14):
Chief Heney, I said, just because the questions are coming
to me. He said, Irish, we saw that video. That's
the video that the city solicitors saw that. Then the
charges were made against.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Who was hit first.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
I think once you stopped. I think once you stop
and start. I think once you stop and start. But
that will be a question for the city solicitor and
the city manager and the police interrant police.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
This is principle if city if you do know.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
The interim police chief did sign that.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
And the line officers would not sign it because it
was wrong, and wouldn't sign it because it was wrong.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
I've not heard that. I've not heard that from the
chief of police. I've not heard her say that at all.
And we've talked through that and as a matter of fact,
here's another fact that you probably don't know. When the
when the community was called forgetting the warrant sign, I
spoke with Chief Dji. She did not know where mister
Jermaine I can't think of his last name was. I
actually did find him because he was in the Justice center.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
To see.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
That principle, if civil rights leaders and civil authority stand
up and demand the person be charged because of the
color of their skin.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
That's not what we demanded as a matter of principle.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Isn't that wrong that what you're saying is incorrect. So
if you listen to more over the black community and
some non black people, and as some non black people thought, well,
and we disagree, I'm even greater than you.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Should a person be charged because of the color of
their skin?

Speaker 3 (16:44):
No, they should be charged based on facts.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Why didn't happen in this case?

Speaker 3 (16:48):
It did happen. They were charged based on facts because
he slapped a man.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
But he slapped the man after he was punched twice
in the back of the head first.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
But when you look at the video, mister Kunnahammond, I
know there are too there are two worlds. You're too
worlds there's a no, there's a privileged world, and then
there's the not the privilege some thousand a year A goodness. No,
I'm not sor. I'm not sir. I fee children, I
take care of children, and I help my community. There
is not enough to pay Iris really for the goodness
that she's done in the city. And you don't have

(17:16):
to say thank you while we're on the air. I'll
wait until well off.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
As far as continuing, should we continue with the mayor?
Is the mayor?

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (17:25):
As long as the city manager. Yes, you in charge
of the collaborative.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
I'm not in charge of the collaborative. I just worked
the communities work.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
But you're paid right by tax dollars.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
I am paid.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Like the same mayor, the same city manager, you and
others involved of criminal justice. And is this the future
of Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Mister Cunningham, I would, I would venture to say, I
think you've called some more discord in this process in
twenty five years that Iris Roady has. You've not even
heard from Iris. Well you would, but you've not even
let me finish. Won't let me you most certainly doing.
You get to espouse it all day every day. But
this is the first time you've heard iris roly name
in years. Outside of all the great work at the

(18:07):
transit site, this is the first time you've heard anything negative.
So again, sir, I would challenge you, sire, Yes you
will be I've been there since February one, twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
You know it's my good friend.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
I've not had any issues.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
It's my good friend, Charlie Kirk said before he was
murdered in cold blood. When the talking stops is when
the violence begins. I say, let's keep talking. That's what
we've been doing without accusations.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
That's what we've been doing. That's what we've been doing.
That's what I've been doing.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
When you come on again in a month, you got,
you got.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
I'm married to that guy right there. You crazy. I
will be back. I'm a member of the Since Name
Black and Underfront. But listen, this is what I have
for you, mister Cunningham. This is the full collaborative agreement.
I want you to read it. This is York I
can hate.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
You can have got this right your diploma right now.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
You can't have my diploma. That's my participatory read it though.
I want you to read it to the people. So
they'll know.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Center for Problem Oriented Policing presents the Herman Goldstein Award
and Recognition of Excellence and Problem Oriented Policing to Missus Iris,
Rowley Society, Black United Front.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
There you go. So and I was with intem Chief
Chief Henny with assistant.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Did he see the tape ahead of time when he
signed the falseho?

Speaker 3 (19:23):
You should get him in here and talk to him.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Why don't you ask the mayor and Hanny to come
in here that I've asked him, They won't come on.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
They we got the guts to show up. I'll give
you credit for that, but.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
You don't make it. You don't make it warm and fuzzy.
You don't make me fish to come with security.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
You got two big men.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
It comes to.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Arm wrestled those security to this. Will you come back
in a month or two?

Speaker 3 (19:46):
But let me say, got the guts? I have all
the guts. You know what I typically say to people.
My balls are bigeting us. But my husband told me
stop saying that.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
So listen, are you transgender?

Speaker 5 (19:54):
No?

Speaker 3 (19:54):
I'm not. No, I'm not.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
We have something?

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Are you? You sound like it?

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Though?

Speaker 3 (20:01):
This is you got your Mondays on the day with
his Monday. But listen Tuesday that you should add on
Sunday the way the Bengals play. But but that's a
whole other story.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Why don't you come on again?

Speaker 1 (20:11):
If you got the guns, Irish Rowley, will you come
on and come down to the transit center.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
When are you coming? When are you coming?

Speaker 1 (20:18):
My people will be in touch. Will you guarantee my security?

Speaker 3 (20:21):
My secure?

Speaker 2 (20:22):
I got you, I got you, guys looking.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Talk to him. But mister help the other piece that
I have for you, this is ectrocency.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
This is what all this to give me homework.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
You better read it too.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
I will because I know who you learned from? Games?

Speaker 5 (20:38):
Games?

Speaker 3 (20:38):
So who was his Who was his college roommate?

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Was that you?

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Judge?

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Robert Franklin was a roommate of mL King of nineteen
forty eight more houses?

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Your question in my Civil Rights Act?

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Merit, I don't believe in d e well you die well.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
The world won't. We gonna break that up.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Let's break it up time.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
So tell them to stop f and when iris really we're.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Doing and you get me, you got me yours? Thank you?
We got to figure right. God Bless America.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
God Bless America.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
Joining me.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Now is the legendary Mike McConnell. You're still alive. Only
the two of us are left. Are you aware of this?

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Alive?

Speaker 1 (21:27):
And well you heard the end of my Irish Roly debate. Yeah,
she shouldn't come completely around. She was almost she was
close to coming to be trump subjectly close. And so
when I said, is Sincinnati police more racist, for example,
then every other police agency in the Tri state answer
is yes, of course, of course they're more racist and
they have to be governed by Irish Roly.

Speaker 8 (21:48):
Right.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Absolutely, If you're making one hundred and ten thousand bucks
a year, you better find problems. You can't say, look,
we've solved this difficulty. It means right, you don't need
me anymore. But nonetheless you're here about Bob Trumpy and
so much more as Yeah, all the good ones. You know,
the good guy young You and I are in good shape. Yeah,
And he's one of those guys I think from a
listener perspective, he was a little bit misunderstood. He was

(22:11):
actually a nice guy, soft as long as you didn't
mispronounce something when you called his show. That was if
you like, screwed up a player's name or something nothing
else you had to say was going to make any
sense as far as he was concerned. So we began
to think of the magnificent six we had when it
all got together. We had Jim Scott pretty good, Mike McConnell,

(22:33):
I love that guy. I love that guy too, really good,
Gary Burbank's pretty good, not bad, Bob Trumpy or Chris
collins Worth, Andy Furman, Yeah, me and then the truck
and Boso, and now only two of us were left.
The rest her did what does it say about us?
She sent out a tweet or something today. It was
brought to my attention the way you wrote it, the

(22:54):
passing of Bob Trumpy.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Read it. You have it right there.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
I have all kinds of stuff here. It appears to
others as though you're calling me a bozo.

Speaker 8 (23:05):
They not.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Everyone knows about the bozo. So the way you wrote it,
well I did. I wanted to put the bozo in
because you know he's dead too.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
So here it is father time is undefeated, untied, unscored
on that's the one. Jim Scott, Gary Burbank, now Bob
Trumpy have recently died, and the bozo dot dot Mike McConnell, Yes,
comes before.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
That's right. I guess you could read your the boat.
So Mike McConnell has retired. The All Night Man used
to be the truck and Bozo.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, it's been how many years he's been going fifteen years,
twelve at least, but he's in the Hall of Fame
and you and I aren't look at it that way,
but that was the lineup made and have We don't
recognize at the time what it was because we were
doing we were just doing radio because of the great producer, director,
head coach Randy Michaels. He's the one that got it done.
Plus John Phillips in the air with the helicopter didn't crash.

(23:59):
I'm like Nan McCormick, it didn't crash. That was pretty good.
Traffic was wonderful and from the sky. And then we
also I remember Dave Reinhardt walking around going, you don't
understand not every place is like this.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
I thought it was.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Everybody had people like this, right, So what are some
of your other thoughts about Bob Trumpy. I'll give you
a few of minds. You know, he's yeah, I know
it when he worked here, but knew more about him
after he retired. I mean, he's one of those guys.
He really you like to do him. Keep an eye
out for the older guys in the neighborhood. He cared
about them. Memorial Day Parade, he'd get a golf cart

(24:33):
and ride it. In case somebody got tired, he could
hop in and get him a ride. Also, he had
the one night that a woman is committing suicide. Yeah,
called in and Bob Trump. He almost cried himself to
talk her off the ledge, get her help. That was
the soft side of Trump. The hard side that the
listener perceived was very difficult if you disagree with him.
The best shows he did was a pet Pete Franklin
from Cleveland and When the Browns and you know, the

(24:54):
costar and the size and all that, back and forth,
back and forth. He'd interview Bill Belichick, He'd interview everybody, everybody,
and you listen to some of that stuff. Matt Reason
back and put all these old tapes to get on,
get it on. He was even a better interviewer than
you remember.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
He was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah remember him know all this stuff and occasionally being bombastic.
But if you sit down and listen to an interview
he was a better interviewer then I think we gave
him credit for. And then of course you got the NBC.
He did Sunday Night, Monday Night, did Westwood One, did
the Olympics, Classic Story.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
The Ryder Cup three times.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Masters he did that on radio so he could play
I gust the National now and then, which is not
a bad thing to think about.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
He said.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
He only done golf a few times, and he was
I guess you get out there and play the course
when you first get there, and learn a thing or
two about.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
It, mister golf professional. I got to play a guy.
I got to play somebody else, you know Trump. Hey,
And he turns around as Arnold Palmer.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
He said, Arnold Palmer knows my name Trump, Yeah, Arnold
Palmer Palmer not bad, right. I was after him for
like twelve years. So I got there by a mistake,
like in August of eighty three, supposed to have a one,
supposed to be here, and I would go into the
studio at I was on nine pm until one am,
and the trump Ster was on six to nine. And

(26:09):
it was a small studio about half the size. It
was filled with cigarette smoke. He was a chain smoker.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
On the air.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
So after about two or three weeks, I said, Bob,
is it possible that for the last hour before I
sit in a small closet studio that you couldn't smoke?
He dropped the F bomb and ended it with you,
and so I guess the answer was no. And then
Randy Michaels would want him to read. Of course, that

(26:37):
was a big deal at the time, school closings. The
next day Trump he says, I don't do school closings.
Get somebody else in there. They got into it. And
what did Bob Trumpy do with Randy Michaels tend them?
Didn't he up against the wall. Randy was a strong man,
and Randy Michaels remains. I understand he's lost about eighty pounds.
He's in great health, but at the point he probably

(26:57):
weighed hundred and eighty hundred ninety pounds. Foot eight picked
him up by his shoulder blades, pinned him up against
the wall, and Randy's feet feet were moving like he
was running, and he said, I don't do school closings.
So he had seg to come in and do school
closings the next day. Trumpy wouldn't do it. It was
hard to coach, I would say, would you Yeah, but
he had that heart of gold going for he had

(27:19):
the heart of gold. So what do you mean you
get into like the Pete Rose and Ojson. No, wait,
he believed those guys because they told him they didn't
do it. And I'll tell you, and I said this
at the time, if you were ever in some serious trouble,
you probably couldn't find a more loyal friend than Bob.
Trumpy didn't exist. He was and what he was, I mean,

(27:39):
he was amazed that friends of his would lie to
him when.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
It all came out.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Pete Rose had this lawyer in Dayton, I forget his name,
that would come on with Bob and then me afterwards.
And this went on for like what from February until
August of nineteen eighty nine when he met the commissioner.
Yuber Ath met him up and you know, there was
rumors betting on And I said betting because I had
bet with Pete at the racetrack and when I started

(28:07):
doing the extra inning show, I was on with Pete
and we became friends. And I knew he bet on everything,
and the fact he wouldn't bet on baseball. The one
sport he knew to me was like unlikely. But then
at Willie's and Kenwood we opened up in eighty nine,
he was there almost every day at the at the
bar by himself, making bets and the bartender is telling

(28:28):
me he's betting on baseball, and I said, well, you know,
but he had this, uh, this ability to convince Bob
Trumpy that he wasn't betting on baseball.

Speaker 5 (28:36):
And O. J.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Simpson could not have slaughtered and sliced off the head
of the mother of his children. That's not OJ that
I know. He went down with both ships. He did,
and he was hurt. OJ told him he didn't do it.
That was good enough.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
What about the blood? I was all playing it there by,
you know, yeah, by whatever. So what's Mike McConnell doing
these days?

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Actually kind of relaxing? They doing nothing? Well, do you
miss it? You want to pitch it for me? Now?

Speaker 5 (29:01):
And then?

Speaker 2 (29:01):
No?

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Not really, I mean, do you want to think about that?
I could pinch it for like ten fifteen minutes. I
would want to do a whole show.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
Now.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Once in a while something comes up and I'll, you know,
interest me, So I'll start looking some things up and
like I could use something like that.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
How about AI taking all our jobs as an example?
Could it so the other day because I'd heard a
set like this sometimes In nineteen fifty, one of every
thirteen women working was a telephone operator.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
One of every thirteen women in America. That's what they
did for a living.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Today and three hundred thirty million people, we have two
thousand operators because back then, I mean it was switchboards
and office buildings, switchboards and hotels, all those things, or
one point three million in nineteen fifty and all those
jobs are going, right, but they found something else to do, right, AI,
They probably paid better than that.

Speaker 8 (29:46):
Now.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Another thing, of course, we talk about food stamps and
the cards et cards. In nineteen seventy five to nineteen
eighty one and fifty Americans were on food stamps. Yeah,
today it's one in eight, and it's accelerating. I don't
think there's more people hungry and families today than there
were in the nineteen seventies.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
And give to the numbers.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
That means two percent of the American people were in
food Sampson in the mid nineteen seventies. Today's twelve and
a half percent. Six times increase. I think there's some
fraud going on a little bit. There's no good there's
no good explanation for that at all.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
None.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
It's easier to get on disability, that's part of it.
You know, fewer people on regular welfare benefits, they switch
to disability. It's easy to get on that, and then
you get the rest of your benefits as a result.
So when you have a large, consistent, large group of
Americans committed to a government benefit that goes on for years,
it's damnar impossible to stop it.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Was there a dip with Clinton.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
I'm one of those people on the few Republicans who
gave Clinton a little bit of kudos for what do
you come?

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yes, he did. He did.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
He put in wealth work requirements, shut down the southern border.
And I remember at the balance budget at the time
Health and Human Services having the county was talking to
somebody from there and they said they were actually in
the wake of Clinton's fixes, that they were getting thanks
from people for kicking them in the butt and getting
a job, and they felt better about themselves. And they

(31:13):
were saying, what surprises you if you're losing clients, so
to speak, you don't usually like that. But they were
very positive about it, so it had we've dipped at
some point and then just another work requirement went away. Now,
the institutionalization of government benefits is so deep and solid,
the media doesn't do stories on people that should not
be on food stamps. I watched the Secretary of Agriculture yesterday.

(31:35):
They've so far found five million dead people getting food stamps.
Somebody's using their cards EBD cards five million, and they
also said another five to eight million or illegal shouldn't
get it in anyway, So the forty two million that
get it, that number should be about cut in half.
They're in the business of trying to find out who's
illegally getting it. But the Democratic Party at blue states,
blue cities won't give the Feds the information who's getting

(31:57):
the benefits. The states administer and the FEDS pay for it.
So if the state of California, for example, in New
York State won't communicate to the FEDS who's getting food stamps,
what do you do? And the answer is, we don't know,
because we know five million are dead, another five to
eight million shouldn't beet they're illegal. But we need more
information about who's getting this because obviously, twelve and a

(32:17):
half percent of us aren't hungry. In fact, obesity is
a bigger problem for the poor than malnutrition. Far away,
far and away, that's the problem.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Can you say that? Yeah, yeah, I just did. Is
it true? Can you speak truth? I don't think you
can so. Hell, I don't know. The free store food Bank,
I think that's good. Is marvel? I like that the
way they do things. I bought. But here's another issue.
I am told on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
There's a way to gain and to gain the freesto
forward free store food bank and also the food stamps.
By that, I mean the cars that pull in. They
go to one free store food bank, then go to another,
and then go to another. And with the dead people
getting food stamps, they put them in large drums. All
he's product shipped back to Haiti or Nicaraguar somewhere, and
they're sold in the bodegos, and so they monetize it. Plus,

(33:06):
you can sell your benefits for fifty cents on the
dollar and get cash. Now should that be in the system.
Hell no, I want hundred people to get it.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Well, number years ago, it's probably late eighties, early nineties,
right after the Thanksgiving free store, great food giveaway guy
called the day of a guy called who's a small
grocer somewhere in town talking about the number of people
coming in trying to sell.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Them turkeys they just got on the free store. Can
we get that out of the system? Is that possible?
I don't know, No, doubt it make everybody reapply. I
don't know. No, may wouldn't that be something? Yeah? I
don't know. W Well, Michael, you you gotta do talk radiot.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Have you thought about every now and then doing the
morning show when Tom Brenneman's on Friday's doing the football?

Speaker 8 (33:48):
No?

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Have you thought about doing Middays ten am to two pm,
which you did or ten to three you did. I
told Rocky I'd fill in for Eddie sometime because I've
told Eddie has got the easiest job in the freaking world. Mean,
you could get up and you could play around the
golf if you wanted to get to work at three
and be home by dinner and work with the I
thought Eddie sets up all. That's not true, he says,

(34:09):
he does it more so with Rocky having football related
so you will pinch hit when any fingers is gone
with Rocky, and I said I would whether you do
it or not.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, but you won't do the truck and bozo overnight
with the Red Eye. You won't do that? Is that
still on? That was the worst part about getting up
at three twenty in the morning was listen to that
Red Eye.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
The Red Eye radio is Tony Benner's favorite program here.
He told me he loves Red Eye red He loves it,
loves that stuff.

Speaker 8 (34:35):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Talking about people, can never change the subject. You gotta
be able to be a little flexible, right. I have
a reputation to being somewhat conservative, but I talk about everything,
and I watch MSNBC and I read the New York Times.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Guy's got to see what the enemy's doing. I do too.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, well, come back again. You got a future in radio.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
I might stop by. Are you in Social Security yet? Oh? Yeah?
Don't you love it? It's yeah?

Speaker 1 (34:58):
On the twenty three every month, I got about five
grand put on my account. I got the on the fifteenth,
it comes through and you eat ch ching, get my
regular installment on the first. I still get paid on
the first and fifteenth, just like the old days.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
You do how do you do that? From here? All
my savings. I got to work. I take a chunk
of them that comes in the first, and then social
comes in on the fifteenth.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
A year in hog Heaven, I got to talk to
Tony Benner about a long term, guaranteed Bonus Layton contract extension.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
I'm not done yet, Mike. Do you ever see me retiring? No? Well,
when's it up? When's your president? I think three years,
but I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
I really haven't. I signed something four or five years.
I wanted to be here as long as Trump is
in the White House. After that, I'm done. There's a
goal for Yeah, Okay, thanks for stopping in. Don't be
a strange. My pleasure, My pleasure, Me and I Iris Rolie.
Is that a match made in heaven? I think off air,
you guys are getting along right. She wanted to hug me,

(35:52):
like all women do. I said, go ahead, Iris, have
at it, but don't don't squeeze my buns, is all
I told her, and she sat on the air. She
doesn't have balls, and she asked me, do you I said,
you want to see him? I thought I'd better not
do that, would you agree. I've had some militants on
over the years who off air, were fine, She's fine.
Then all of a sudden, that's yeah, it's this the
Green letters to Salvation. Racism pays big bucks.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
On news Radio seven hundred WLW I Billy Cunningham, the
Great America.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Divers mos here the bitter period on the performances of
our so called sports teams over the weekend, beginning on Friday,
when Hannah She's a fat Russian woman, beat the crap
out of Deer Park High School in the high school playoffs.
It was forty seven to three or something, and so
I knew it was going to be a bad weekend
mode and it was going to be this bad Anna
kicked it off near Minster by the way. Anna is

(36:49):
by Minster. You've been there many times, I'm sure hang
out there often.

Speaker 8 (36:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
And then then Saturday kind of build a little bit
of the tsunami. Saturday you have the Mormons out of
the Utah. I saw a lot of your social media
have picks, et cetera. It was a great place, a
lot of people there, the empty stadium. All of a
sudden it was packed people going nuts. Game day was there.
It was wonderful. And you had told me that you
see was going to win the game. I think the
final score was like forty eight to fourteen or something,

(37:13):
but it wasn't that close.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
I never told you they were going to win the game.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
And then they got a little bit bigger for the
Bengals game on Sunday one o'clock this morning, everyone had
bags over their head on ESPN and you've gone over
the stats and I'll get to them in a moment.
Then Sunday night at the Enchilada, the Big FC against
the Crew, and you know, shots on goals and important
measure as to whether you're advancing the ball. I don't

(37:38):
care much for soccer. It's a comedy sport. That's a
different thing. Twenty shots on goal. Crew had nineteen of
the twenty shots on goal since I had one shot
on goal, and they get hammered for zip. Now, let's
not begin with dear Park and Anna, let's go let's
not begin with the Bearcats.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Let's go on to the Bengals. Bengals, are you prepared
for some stats? And in the middle of all that,
we lost the godfather of Cincinnati sports talk radio. We're
going to talk about that too. Mo.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
That's got kind of a downer right there, because he's
eighty years old, and he passed away yesterday, the great
number eighty four. In fact, the player for the Bengal
opponent yesterday, you might recall, was wearing what number as
he went in to win the game.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
I'm sorry, eighty four eighty four.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
That was Bob Trumpy going at the Bengals of Mike
Brown one more time. The player wearing number eighty four
for the Bears is the one, and I put on
my social media accounts the three Bengal defenders all around
this guy, and all they had to do was say,
get him on the ground.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Likely win the game. And the three Bengal defenders could
not tackle number eighty four. Am I right or wrong about?

Speaker 8 (38:45):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (38:46):
You're one hundred percent right, and I'm sorry my brain
froze there. Eighty four. You were thinking about the Trumpster.
When the Chicago Bears got the ball back, it wasn't
a matter of if they would score. It was a
matter of would there be any time left?

Speaker 8 (38:58):
Now?

Speaker 2 (38:58):
When I knew that and you knew how they were
going to score, chances are there was going to be
either busted coverage or mistackles in the secondary, which is
exactly right. If there was an avatar for the twenty
twenty five Bengals. It's how Chicago scored that last touchdown
with two safeties basically colliding with each other. The position
that all offseason Duke Tobin left unaddressed comes back to

(39:22):
bite him in a moment where the season was hanging
in the balance. It was an embarrassment. It was a
direct indictment on Duke Tobin. It was a direct indictment
on Al Golden. It is Golden. It's goal in brass
goal in take a da out, there's no d It's
so frustrating from a few different perspectives. Lay number one out.

(39:42):
The Joe Flacco story should be the best in the NFL.
He joins the Bengals and within five days he gives
us hope. Four days later he plays his heart out
against the Pittsburgh Steelers beats him in prime time. He
has since played some of the best football of his
eighteen year career. This should be the best story in

(40:03):
the NFL, and instead it's a footnote. Because the defense
all I heard all off season long was Al Golden
with the same guys is going to fix the defense
enough so that it's league average. All we need is
league average average average. My question was average. My question
was statistically that makes sense. If you have a great

(40:24):
offense and a league average defense, you should be okay.
But when the game is hanging in the balance, when
you need a stop to win the game, when you
need a stop to give your offense the ball back
to give them a chance to win the game, can
you all season? Last year? All season?

Speaker 5 (40:43):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
The answer were the answers were no. No, What about
this year? No. Against the Detroit Lions, they cut to
the they cut the Detroit lead to eleven points, ten
and a half go in the fourth quarter. Lions go
down in six plays. Against the Pittsburgh Steelers, a game
that they did win. Give off the field, slow down,
Aaron Rodgers, you win the game. They don't. Fortunately, Pittsburgh

(41:06):
scored with too much time, and the Bengals actually came
back and won that one. Against the Jets, when they
needed a stop, could they get it?

Speaker 1 (41:15):
No?

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Against the Bears, when they needed a stop, a team
playing without their top running back, a team who's best
wide receiver didn't catch a pass yesterday, could they get
a stop?

Speaker 8 (41:24):
No?

Speaker 2 (41:25):
And so the fact that we asked those questions this
past summer are they going to be able to get stops?
And we were padded on the head and assured too.
Tobin and el Golden know what they're doing. Yes. The
fact that it turns out that they were wrong and
we were right tells me those people shouldn't be employed
by this franchise anymore.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Here's the photo I put on social media. I'm sure
you and Tanya Benner saw it. I say, how is
it possible Bengal defenders missed this tackle? There's this snapshot.
You got three guys around number eighty four. Three guys
just attack, be like a monkey, jump on his back,
get him down, stop him somehow.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Duke Tobin has had his successes. We know what they are, right.
Most of them have centered around drafting Joe Burrow and
Jamar Chase. Is that smart and and make smart personnel
decisions with the teams that went to five consecutive playoffs
in twenty eleven through twenty fifteen, But with what he
has been tasked to do over the last couple of years,

(42:25):
which is draft defensive players and give them to a
coaching staff that can get them to help immediately, he
has failed spectacularly. And here's where the distrust comes in.
If the Bengals are going to fix this defense in
time to win championships while you have Joe Burrow, Duke
Tobin is going to have to do the exact same

(42:46):
things he has failed at doing the last few years.
Why is he still employed today? It's a great in
the afternoon. Why I put on my social media account MO,
he should be fired. I don't know. I don't know
what's scored. I don't know how you conclude any other way.
I don't know how you could. You could watch what
the Bengals have done on defense the last couple of
years and seen the number of failed draft choices, see
the number of failed decisions, and walk away from it

(43:07):
thinking Duke Tobin should be given a chance to fix
this rebuilt I don't know how you do that. I
have facts. I don't know how you could say that organizationally,
this thing that they have been bad at, they're suddenly
going to be good at with the same people in charge.
I don't know. I don't know how you do that.
This is an affront to anybody who watched last year's team.
It's an affront to the quarterback play they should be

(43:29):
getting from Joe Burrow and they they are getting from
Joe Flacco. And I keep coming back to this when
when Joe Burrow got hurt behind an offensive line that
continues to not be great although it is played okay
with Joe Flacco's quarterback. I imagine Duke Tobin sitting there
if he works for me, and I go, hey, Duke, Duke,
why can't you fix this? You're not a private well

(43:50):
now it's your defense, And I go, Duke, why can't
you fix this? If you sit in front of your
boss and he or she keeps asking you, why does
this keep happening? Why can't you fix this? At some
point your boss is going to tell you we're gonna
find somebody else. Why doesn't that happen with Duke Tobin?

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Tony Pike told me that beginning today, the offensive team
is banning the defensive team from the Bengals locker room.
They will not associate with them. They don't want to
look at them and the defense. Shamar Stewart and Miles
Murphy have a special at the Pancake House in Montgomery, Real,
the Pancake Specials. I've seen a montage of Shamar Stewart,

(44:27):
the guy who was the defensive end from Texas A
and m that guy he's a pancake several times with
a big fat offensive lineman, squad are on top of him,
and Miles Murphy won't any better, and so is there.
Would you have a pancake special at the original Pancake
House of Montgomery? Would you have the Stuart Shamar Stewart
and the Miles Murphy special for pancakes?

Speaker 2 (44:47):
That sounds great. Pancakes sound awesome? Right now, Let's get
who they're named after. Let's get it. Those are just
a couple of players, Miles Murphy and Miles Murphy was
drafted in the first round in twenty twenty three. He's ready,
He's ready. You and I have talked about this, Willie,
He's ready. This is a league, especially when you have
a high paid quarterback. This is this is a league
about superstars and cheap talent, right, inexpensive cheap leaves just

(45:09):
like here at this radio station, very much like here
at the radio station. So the Bengals have stars who
are getting paid a lot of money. By the way,
one of them, yesterday, T Higgins, was awesome, better than
this awesome. You have to get immediate impact from your
draft choices, especially your first round picks. But in three years, yeah,
nothing that hasn't happened. Do you want to hear some facts?
Of course I do.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
When was the last time a starting quarterback in the
NFL through for four hundred and seventy yards, that the
team recovered a fumble? That shall we say on the
inside kick, That the opening kick went for ninety five
yards in a touchdown, that two wide receivers had over

(45:49):
one hundred yards each, That the quarterback throws for four touchdowns,
they block a field goal, and they score forty two
points and lost.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
When was the last time that happened? It happened yesterday? Oh,
I'm sorry, I've a nineteen sixty six your.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Friend New York Giants and the Green Bay Packers, and
you recall that, And of course this is a record
of that's fifty nine years of ineptitude.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
So since Week three of last year, so that's the
last fifteen games of last season that's run, and then
nine games this year, twenty four games. That's a lot.
In one quarter of those games, the Bengals have scored
more than thirty and lost again in their last twenty
four games. Right down, there have been six, six times
the Bengals offensively have scored thirty or more and have lost.

(46:36):
And what a quarter in one quarter of their game? Again?
What course they lost? So the last week three last
year against Washington they scored thirty three points and lost.
So that to yesterday. That's a span of twenty four games.
Pretty good run in six of them. Does Mike Brown
know this? I'm sure he does. In six of them
they have scored more than thirty and lost. If that

(46:58):
happens twice or that stretch, that's a lot. Panic. It's
happened to this team six times. Panic. They've changed defensive coordinators,
they really haven't changed the players. Where's your lou? The
person in charge of constructing the roster is Duke Tobin
twenty five years is doing. He is the one that
looked at the secondary last year's secondary and literally added nobody.

(47:20):
They did look good. They didn't draft a safety, they
didn't draft a corner. Do they have an NBA problem?
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
I had more than one tweet talking about the three
defenders surrounding number eighty four. You, me and Tony could
have tackled that guy. I go low, you go high,
all you gotta do is get him to the ground.
So the frustrating thing is you knew what was gonna happen.
You knew what the Bengals scored.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
You know, a Nam Taylor, the previous driver two drives prior,
got crushed on social media for the challenge where ultimately
gave Chicago a touchdown, and I thought, what's the worst
that can happen? You're just gonna hasten the inevitable because
you know, the Bengals defense is going to give up
scores when the game is hanging in the balance a lot.
It has been the case now for a while, and
the longer it persists, the less trustworthy this organization is

(48:07):
that they're going to figure out, like, you've got to
start from scratch with next year's defense. We're not supposed
to be starting from scratch during the Joe Burrow era.
How do you tackle somebody? We're supposed to be competing
for championships in the Joe Burrow era? Are you competing
for championships if you're starting from scratch? The answer is no,
So what do you do?

Speaker 1 (48:24):
You're now Duke Tobin, Mike Brown, Katie Burnt, Blackburn Brown,
your Troy Blackburn Brown, You're Paul H.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Brown, You're all the Browns.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
It's a mom and pop operation worth billions of dollars
by the way I read online. Yeah, big game on
Saturday with Ohio State and Penn State, lots of NFL talent,
would you agree?

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Tons who didn't send a scout to that game? So
the Bengals not correct? If I'm Paul Katie Troy, Elizabeth, Carolyn,
Paul H. Whoever at all, and I'm sitting there with
Duke Tobin, we're asking the simple question, why haven't you
been able to fix this? And why should I trust
you to fix something that you have yet been able
to Today he doesn't talk at all.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Right.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Oftentimes during a bye week, the personnel person for a
professional football team will be available. He's never available. He's
available at the scouting combine, which he should be, and
they make him available during the mock turtle Soup thing
where everybody asked Mike brown sus questions maybe you and
I should go to and so to a degree, I
feel bad for Zach Taylor, and trust me, Zach is
is not somebody who's absolved of blame here, but he

(49:26):
is the spokesperson for the franchise, and I think to
a degree the spokesperson for things is in tears. I'm
not sure he's completely responsible for.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Who's more likely to hold a news conference at four
o'clock today A tab pureval are Duke Tobin.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Well, that's a very good question. I'm gonna say Aftab
really yeah, because he's under eight to one plumbers.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
He's not talking after seven people shot yesterday and he's
under he's holder.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
And I thought I thought putting the police chief on
administrative leave was going to solve that. You're making no
sense at all. Oh. I thought they were to put
the chief on leave and all the crime was gonna
Oh god, So you didn't answer my question. How many
of the people who shot others this weekend were out
only low bond? All of them including well, you know

(50:14):
the dude who broke into my house, he's on bonders
for Judge Anne Hathaway. Just let him walk, just no
bond at all when they arrested that.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
I Judge Hathaway did. I helped to get into law school.
Alie Hanchaway just used to work here. Just let him
walk when he got arrested. So you know it's a
criminal defense attorney.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
You like to hear this guy?

Speaker 5 (50:34):
I can.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
I can, certainly, I can certainly speak from experience. I
talked to the Magic Man about this.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
You want to get your cases in front of Judge
Hathaway and criminal defense lawyers do that.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Fortunately, Judge Gearing did hear that. Did do the trials
for both guys who busted into my house, and he
took care of them. Anne Hathaway not so much. Well
that's your friend anyway. You right, no problem with Anne
until they're all a guy who busted in my house.
I hey, you're fine. You want to go home for dinner?
Goes God reparative justice not for you, but for the criminals.

(51:06):
Tooba's not going to talk today. How about to teb
pure Ball is not going to talk today, and Hathaway's
not going to talk today. Mike Brown's not going to
talk today. Are you talking? I don't know. I've got
a lot on my mind.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
All right.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Secondly, I'm gad you brought this up. I could talk
about FC who got hammered. I could talk about you
see that I got hammered. I could talk about Deer
Park High School that I got hammered. But when Number
eighty four. Yesterday about four point thirty ran into the.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
End zone for the Bear.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
I didn't even make this connection. I make connections you don't. Yes,
I thought about Bob Trumpy, your memories of the great Trumpster.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Godfather, excuse me, godfather of sports talk in this town.
The first time I was ever asked to do six
to nine on this radio station, I said, Holy hell,
I get a chance to fill in on the show
that Bob Trumpy hosted created, And as far as I'm concerned,
you know is since Bob it's been Chris Collinsworth and

(52:01):
Andy Furman and Paul Doherty and Lance McCallister and awesome
host still Tom Gamble and Tom Gamble. It's still Bob
Trumpy Show and always will be, even though he hasn't
hosted it on a regular basis in thirty five years.
Here's my favorite part of Bob Trumpy. So in two thousand,
we got the radio rights back and they were trying
to figure out what the coverage was going to be, like,
who was going to do what Mike Brown said forget

(52:23):
about Bob Trumpy. So we got Trumpy. We hired Bob
Trumpy back to do two things he did a show
on Thursdays with boomerosiasin, and they got Bob to do
a segment on the pregame show, the Countdown to Kickoff Show,
where he would talk with the other team's head coach.
And so at the time, I was working in the
morning with Jim and I was told, hey, we need

(52:45):
you to record this segment every week with Bob Trumpy.
And what's gonna happen is Trump's gonna call you and
he's gonna tell you what time he's going to interview
the coach of whatever team the Bengals are playing. So
the first week, they played the Cleveland Browns and I
think Chris Palmer was the head coach. But Bob Trump
he calls me. I had never spoken to him. I'd
never talked to him, but I was told like, hey,

(53:06):
we know you like to mess with people, Mo, you
really can't screw around with Bob Trumpy. So Trump calls
and he's like, and again I think it was Chris Palmer,
but he goes, Chris Palmer is gonna call the studio
between one and four thirty on Wednesday, I'll see you there.
And then the next week it was like Bill Belichick
or somebody. It was like Bill Belichick is gonna call
Thursday between two and five, or Jeff Fisher is gonna

(53:29):
call us on Wednesday between eleven am and fours like
the cableman. So every week, like Judge Hathaway, Monday would call.
Bob would call me on Monday and tell me. This
was for four years, tell me which coach you know,
you knew which coach it was gonna be, Hey, this
coach is gonna call. And it was always in this
large window. So in Mount Adams we had a studio
studio KA, which was like the studio where they took

(53:51):
all the really old equipment and you just said so,
Bob and I would sit in this studio for hours
on end. He'd be chainsmoking cigarettes and right, I mean
the guy I know, you know, and you would tell
him like I'm not sure he was okay, fine, I'll
keep that in mind. Yeah, son. For four months, every week,

(54:12):
usually on Wednesdays, I would sit in a room just
like this one, just me and Trump, and it occurred,
you know what, this is the greatest ever at what
I want to do. Maybe it would behoove me to
start like talking to this guy and get him to
tell stories, and so it became the favorite, My favorite
part of my week, sitting in a room for three

(54:35):
or four hours waiting for the phone to ring. And
the best part is when the coach would call. Bob
would talk to the coach off the record for twenty minutes,
and he would never let me hit record until it
was time to record. And so I would listen to
Bob Trump, he talked to Bill Cower, Bill Belichick, all
these coaches off the record about their teams, about god
knows what. He was still doing games for Westwood One

(54:56):
on Sunday nights. He was still It was wonderful and
it was my favorite part of the week where I
would listen to Bob talk to these coaches, the on
the record stuff that we recorded. Who cares it was
all the stuff they talked about off air. And then
in the hours leading up to that, just hanging out
with Bob, getting him to tell stories, picking his brain,

(55:17):
making fun of him, him, making fun of me, enjoying
that laugh that he had, which Chris Collinsworth talked about
on TV last night. He's just the best. He is
just the absolute best.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
He lived a good life in his long life, and
he was a great football player, NBC Olympics and also
the NFL and also the Masters and more. But thank
you for breaking down the fact that Duke Tobin is
doing a great job.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
We need more of this. And thanks for coming on
the Bill Cunningham Show. And by the way, they should
have had the Ring of Honor years ago so Bob
could be in while he was alive.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Same thing, same thing I've said it often give roses
to the living spill Cunningham seven hundred.

Speaker 8 (55:51):
Wow. Listen, one thing that helps me a great deal,
and there's no denying this. Working for NBC and doing
football games is helps me im miserably. As an example,
and I don't mean to drop names, but just to
give you an example of what happened to me over
the weekend. Last Friday, I talked for forty five minutes

(56:13):
with Pete Rose, which will appear on Headfirst. Flew to
Los Angeles. As soon as I got to Los Angeles,
we got in my car and drove to Oxnard, California,
which is where the Los Angeles Raiders work out. I
talked with Al Davis for three hours. I talked with
Tom Floy's for an hour and a half. Said Lord
to Lyle Alzaio. Chris Barr talked to Jim Plunkett, and
I'm not dropping names. I'm just telling you this is

(56:34):
the nature of my business. Yeah, this is the nature
of my business. Yeah, this is the nature of my business.
So you hear opinions from other people. That was Friday. Saturday.
I get up, walk down to the Hyatt Regency in
downtown Los Angeles. I have a cup of coffee with
Don Shula, talk to him for about an hour and
a half, shoot the breeze, get out to the ballpark.

(56:55):
I spoke with Danny Thomas. He was at the game
and had just seen Don Crickie and I do a
broadcast and shot the breeze with him for a little bit.
I talk with Al Lokasal Paul Zimmerman. I saw last
weekend of Sports Illustrated. So the people I come in
contact with are my biggest source of information. I listen
more than I talk. When I travel here, I talk

(57:17):
on the air, I talk, but all the rest of
the time I do an awful lot of listening.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Hello, quiet, and I'm spokes I'm broadcasting.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
And by the way, segment I have coming up after
two o'clock your friend Ken Kober of the Police Union
responding to your buddy Irish Rowlie and her on tourrage.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
She was like a rock star walking around and an entourage.
This sounds like a mess. And segment also before they
finding guns on the side of the road, right, where'd
that come from? Don't know? Guns?

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Where seven people were shot, and iris Roli says she
has lots of work to do before you start. I
want to say this also, you said this off the air.
Between nineteen eighty four and nineteen ninety nine, it was
Jim Scott, then Mike McConnell ten to three, right, and
then Gary from three to six, then Trumpy six to nine,

(58:17):
slash Collinsworth, slash Furman correct, then nine to one, and
then nine to midnight was me right, then the truck
and Bozo Dale summers until six o'clock in the morning,
start all over again for those sixteen years.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Not a bad lineup, excellent, And then I went to middays.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Then I went to Jim Scott, Mike McConnell, Bill Cunningham,
Gary Burbank, still Collinsworth, Trumpy, then Scott Sloan, then the
truck and Bozo also not a bad lineup, would you agree?

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Correct? Now get into it.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Before you get into it, I want to review a
little bit what happened Friday, Saturday, Sunday, etc.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Are you prepared? Go ahead? Wasn't good? Before you get
into it. Yeah, my dear parm Cincinnati.

Speaker 5 (59:07):
It's nothing about the past, nothing about the futures.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Right now we're tramps Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Guess who has the game with North Carolina this Saturday
on the CW. Don't tell me it's Rocky Boyman Tom Brenneman.
I want to talk to Tom. One of my great fans,
Tim Meltzner. Yes, who's in delphas close to Anna? Anna
over the Rockets played Friday night Deer Park.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Sure did so?

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Like Anna is a woman beat up on the park.
I have a clip of the scoreboard sent by this
Meltner character, fifty four to fifteen deer Park not on top.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Well, you know what, at least they made it, will he?

Speaker 5 (59:44):
You know?

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Unlike Cole Raine correct Saturday. Many other teams didn't make
it either. The Bearcats Saturday night, I had a lot
landed the utes ass kicking in Salt Lake City. I
was like forty five to fourteen. But then I had
hope for Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
What did I do with with a minute to go?
Then we'll talk about that in a moment. Then Sunday night. Yeah,
FC goes to colion of the crew.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Correct, and uh, there were twenty shots on goal by
both teams in the entire game, four nil And guess what,
FC Cincinnati had one shot on goal and that was it.
And by the way, yeah, this Delphis character who's sending
me this negative information? Metner, I'm saying that correctly. I'm

(01:00:29):
not sure I think it's Metner. I want to take
pictures if we played basketball against that woman named Anna,
what happens there?

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
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Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Also, it's that time of the season, what is it,
right on the corner of the holidays are coming up
Thanksgiving and you need to get on the wis Tree program.
Celebrating forty one years forty one. Uh, though, if you
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ninety five, or or email the Wiz Tree Program the
Wish the Wiz Tree Program at gmail, gmail dot com.
Segment can help out to help out others. On the Bengals,
I put on my ex account and uh a certain
picture which you can see right here. They have three

(01:01:40):
Bengals surrounding one guy. That is mister Colston Leonard, the
rookie Bob Trump. He's number eighty four. What were the
odds of those three guys in that pick right there
not tackling. All they had to do was knock him
down at the game over right?

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
They can't do it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
No, they bounced off of him like a rubber ball,
and then mister Leonard ran ran in for the touchdown
with seventeen seconds to go to crush Bengals Nation Tony.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Second week in a row.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
That the defensive team has been banished from the locker room.
They're gonna dress for the next two weeks were visiting.
Reports are that the I guess the media tried to
talk to various defensive players yesterday. They laughed and said
we'll see you Monday, and walked out. How about Ivy
lines up on a field goal attempt by the Bears offside?

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
He misses the field goal, they get five yards, go
down and score seven.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
What about Ivy?

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
The defensive team is laughing at their performance. Do you
think there's a cultural problem inside that locker room with
Zach zach Schuler?

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
How bad is it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Something's wrong Willy? Because of another excruciating loss. The Bengals
have allowed twenty seven or more points in eight consecutive games.
They missed fifteen tackles yesterday for additional one hundred and
thirty three yards. Last three weeks, they've allowed one hundred
and nineteen points and nearly fifteen hundred yards. They're the matadors.

(01:03:05):
They're going to They're going into the bye week, then Pittsburgh.
Let's see more tonight on Bengals line. Let's hear it all,
six oh five, get it done. The Bengals are still
asking for a first round pick in any deal deal
for Trey Hendrick saf he can't play. The tray deadline
is tomorrow at four o'cla can't play well, I don't
know what to tight you should we train Joe Burrow? Well,

(01:03:28):
he can't play either.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
He's hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
I'm sorry, I can't play. Let's see soccer Columbus Routes
FC Cincinnati four nil.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
What did I say to you on Friday? On Monday afternoon? Yeah,
we're gonna sit here.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Right, You've got Deer Park against uh Anna, the Rockets,
got the bear Cats against the Utes. Yes, we've got
the Bengalleys against the Bears. Right, we have FC against
the Crew. Yep, let's go two out of four, maybe
three out of four?

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
What happened? Oh for four?

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Who played worse? Deer Park High School, the Bearcats, the
Bengals or FC.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
All of them? Decisive?

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Game three is Saturday night, six o'clock at TQL Stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Good luck, that's uh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
You know, had no shots on your See, if you
can't shoot at the goal, you can't score, right, Society
one and the other team had nineteen shots on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Goal and made four.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
College basketball opens up tonight, Bearcats against Western Carolina six
thirty seven underd wlwre we go. Mariston Xavior centas center
six forty five, fifty five, KRC Here we go, NKU
and UC Claremont six thirty on the project. Did you
like Irish Rollie in her entourage? I did not see
her again. It was like a rock star. She wanted

(01:04:38):
to meet you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
No, she didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Old Dominion up against the Miami RedHawks, Canisius and Dayton,
Ohio State, and IU Indianapolis. Franklin meets Wright State in Louisville,
takes on South Carolina State.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Take up against the clock.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Please give me out of the Studge Report, and I
want to let the American people know down at one
o seven, I'm sorry two oh seven today. Ken Kober,
the sergeant of CPD, responds to Irish Rowlie.

Speaker 5 (01:05:05):
Wolla.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
By the way, she wants to do a podcast with me. Yeah,
Will you and I have a beautiful day here at
the Tri State and just somebody win around here? Will you?
We leave you with the immortal words of the Stooge Report?
No comments? Is that Duke Tobin he's not talking? No,

(01:05:28):
nobody is an unnamed Bengal official right there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Well, do you think they owe us an explanation for
the team they put together on defense?

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
They need to do something? No, comments, Oh okay, well
they're they're not talking us to pr director for the Bengals,
Sea wouldn't want to be on seven hundred wl W
more of the Bengals tobacle.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Than sports TALKI the first of all, for those who
may listening, it will be on the on the podcast
quite soon. My interview with Irish Rowley, who's the shall
we say, a collaborator. My first question of her was,
how can you collaborate with a part of the collaborative,
which is the Cincinnati Police a thousand members strong, when
the police union believes that you're wrongfully interfering with the

(01:06:19):
rest on the street and that somehow they don't want
to collaborate with you. In fact, they've had to vote
of no confidence or something of that character. Joining you
and I now is Ken Kober, who's the president of
Queen City Lodge sixty nine, which is the police union
in the city of Cincinnati, about nine hundred and fifty
members strong, and Ken Kober a sergeant.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Can you answer the question about whether or not Irish
Rowley inter official capacity interfered with an arrest and then
what came of that?

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
If anything. Actually she did twice. You know.

Speaker 7 (01:06:52):
Those videos of course got out on social media about that.
Offers are frustrated. They're frustrated that it was going on.
And I had a conversation with Iris and explained to
her that you're lucky you didn't get arrested, and you
will likely come across the wrong officers or the right officers.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
That are going to make that decision, and it would
likely be bad for you. So luckily, it seems like
she is quieted down.

Speaker 7 (01:07:18):
Obviously, I haven't got any reports of her interfering with
officers lately, which is good and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
That's not her job.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
But nonetheless, also coming from that, she said, the media
reported that after Purival, who right now this Monday afternoon
is hunting out somewhere under a cavern under eight oh
one Plum Street and Toil tomorrow night, that he was
going to speak to her, give her a talking to
about what should do and what not do, and she
kind of denied that occurred too. Is that you're understanding

(01:07:47):
the mayor or the city manager's share a long spoke
to her about interfering with police arrest Is that your understanding?

Speaker 7 (01:07:53):
Yeah, I mean, I talked to the city manager directly,
and she said that she would be having a conversation
with Iris plain to the city manager that if that
happens again, the next officer is likely going to arrest her.
And the city manager indicated that she understood and that
she would be having a conversation with her to correct this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Beaty and Iris really would not confirm that took place,
nor confirm whether or not she was told what not
to do. How did you feel about a week or
two ago when she was given a contract extension I
think it was three years, about three hundred and fifty
thousand dollars to consult with the city.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
How'd that make you feel? We know the city waste money,
unfortunately on a lot of things.

Speaker 7 (01:08:34):
As far as I'm concerned, as long as she stays
out of the operations of the police, I don't care
what they I don't care what they pay her for,
and I don't care what she does as long as
she's not out interfering with officers.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
In fact, I told her off there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Look, if somebody offers you or me or ken Kober
one hundred and ten thousand dollars a year to do
no work, no show up job, simply to every now
and then go to Government Square. Most of us would
take the job any way, not a bad gig as
far as the central point, Ken Kober stepping back from this,
and I made the point to her that there's numerous
police agencies just in Hamilton County.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
I think there's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Fifteen or eighteen something like that, Sharonville, Madeira, Green Township.
Fair fact, there's lots of police agencies. None of them
have a collaborative and none of them have someone like
Irish Roly keeping an eye on the cops. None of
them have federal court supervision. And so I asked her,
is something unique about Cincinnati cops that have had black
police chiefs, black captains, black city managers, black mayor that

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somehow in the city of Cincinnati, the cops in Cincinnati
are more racist than cops everywhere else in Hamilton County,
much less the dry state. And she set off paraphrase, well,
they need supervision too, they need help. Is that you're understanding,
you've been there twenty five or thirty years, that Cincinnati
police have a racial bias or prejudice against black people.

Speaker 7 (01:09:58):
No, they absolutely did not, and it's been shown time
and time again that they don't. And you know, you
understand that this collaborative agreement, this is all now voluntary.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
The city doesn't have to abide by it. There's no
court order, there's nothing. They just continue to go by
what they've gone for you know, the last twenty four
years now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
For those listening around the nation, what does the collaborative
specifically do that the loss of an Irish really would hurt.
What does it actually do for the men and women
in blue in the city of Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
I don't think it does anything really to help.

Speaker 7 (01:10:32):
In fact, you know, there is a belief out there
that the collaborative Agreement could be holding back the police
department from progressing further.

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 7 (01:10:42):
It's a bad idea necessarily to have it, but I
certainly think that there should be opportunity for it to
be tweaked.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
But you know, it's all about community policing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Which we've done anyway.

Speaker 7 (01:10:54):
You know, a good beat officer knows everybody on their
beat that is community policing in its rawlest form. So
you know, something that we're just volunteering to abide by,
it doesn't it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
But I also really could care less.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Are you saying the city would be better off without
the collaborative.

Speaker 7 (01:11:16):
I think they should look at how it can be
tweaked to progress this police officer, this police department further.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
That is what I think.

Speaker 7 (01:11:23):
Do I care if it doesn't matter like so, we
followed this for twenty four years now. No, they do
it voluntarily, but I certainly think there would be an
opportunity to see if we could progress this police department further.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
About a month or two ago, when she interfered with
the first or second arrest, which by the way, is
a crime, and if a normal citizen had done exactly
the factual acts of virus rely they would have been
charged without question.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
But because at one point she said, do you know
who I am? Do you know who I am? Didn't
she say that in one of the obstruction of justice events?

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
What did the officer say when she said do you
know who I am? Went to the officer of the
female cop do so, I'm well aware of who you are?
Because and then she had to be careful. The message
was you got to be careful, careful because this is
Irish Rowley. You got to be careful. And you might
recall when that happened and the FOP did you issue
on the fop's part. Was it a condemnation, was it

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a reprimand was it a suggestion she be fired? What
action did the FOP take against Iris Roley?

Speaker 7 (01:12:27):
I actually filed a complaint with Central HR, which I
was then told that, well, we're not even going to
investigate this because she's not an employee, although there are
part of the administrative regulations that say if you are
a contractor, you have to abide by the same rules
that a city employee does, and they just they refused

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even investigated, So they.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Said we're not going to So politically the city knew
not to investigate Iris Roley.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Is that fair to say?

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (01:12:58):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
One of the events that up and after you and
the police said we can't have this, is that there
was some question whether the contract was going to be renewed,
and so Iris Rowley called out the Blackfist and other
so called left wing civil rights groups to protest on
the steps of City Hall, to send a message to
the mayor and to share along.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
You know what this has got a downside was that an.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Implicit threat by the Blackfist that there'd be difficulties in
the city unless they renewed her contract.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
I think one could certainly believe that that absolutely was
the case.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
As far as moving forward, I understand that you may
be leaving in a year or two and you're either
going to age out or retire out to say I
can't do it anymore. Is the city and you've been
there for twenty five or thirty years since the collaborative began.
I think, like in twenty oh two or something like that.
How much more professional is CPD today than it was

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twenty five or thirty years ago.

Speaker 7 (01:13:56):
Oh, I think the police department has grown a lot,
a lot of positive changes that had been made. Like
I said, I'm not saying that that this is a
bad thing, but I do think that it could be
holding the police department back. But yeah, I mean, there's
no doubt that we continue to progress as a police
department constantly. You know, it's a different department even from

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five years ago, and that's because of the work of
the people that are there. The cops are absolutely fantastic,
But if you always have to be trying to become
a better, better police officer and a better police department
was the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Thigi I called her discharge the odds era coming back.
It's about the same odds of segment Dennis and dunkin
of basketball on a ten foot high court ain't gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
She's gone. Russin.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
One of the officers involved with Thiji told me that
Irish really told them that the chief of police should
not be fired. And is that you're understanding that the
Thiji is not coming back and that it appears that
her days are numbered. I was told by a little
birdie when she was in Denver her days are in

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single digits. She's not gonna make it. And that's enraged
a whole bunch of people. So is there a sense
that if Henny's involved, what are your feelings about Captain
Adam Henny, who's now the arm chief, being the chief
of police going forward.

Speaker 7 (01:15:18):
Well, I can tell you, first of all, it would
not surprise me if she doesn't come back, and quite honestly,
after the way she's been treated, I wouldn't want to
come back if I was her, I would want to
get whatever severance I can get and just go away
and go and enjoy my retirement because it's absolutely just
shameful the way she was treated. Now going to Colonel Henney.
I actually worked for him in the Central Business section.

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He is an absolute fantastic leader, you know. But it
all comes down to is city Hall going to allow
him to do the things that he needs to do
to get this police department where it needs to be.
And that's that's what's you have to be seen, you know.
But you could say the same thing for Chief Fiji.
If she was allowed to run department the way she
saw fit and not be influenced by city Hall, I

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think we probably would have a different police department. So
we'll see moving forward how it works out with Colonel Henny.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
A little Bertie told me that the line officers who
investigated the matters of July twenty sixth, especially about Alex Shrevinsky.
A Bertie told me that the line officers who did
the investigation did not want to file criminal charges. And
in fact I was also told that Thiji as the chief,
would not sign on the dotted line that the officer

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believed that a crime was committed by Alex Servinsky against
the future criminal defendants. Is it true to the best
year knowledge that Captain Henny, now the inter in chief,
is the one who signed the charges against Alex Shrevinsky
as the innocent white person charged.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Is that your understanding.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
Yeah, he was ordered by the city solicitor to city
solicitor to sign his charges.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Did Emily smart Warner, who's the city solicitor, to your knowledge,
did she do any factual investigation at all to form
the basis of filling criminal charges against an innocent person?
Did she actually personally do any investigation? Not that I'm
aware of, but the line officers said, don't do it.
So when we had the city leaders lemon Kearney and

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others stand up and say we want a white person
to be charged, did the city council members and the
so called civil rights community at that point know that
the charges were false because the three CDC tape showed
that the first person that threw the first punch was
a black male who hit Alex t in the back
of the head twice. Did the city fathers and mothers

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know that when they demanded the city charges be filed
against Stravinsky, they alleged white guy.

Speaker 7 (01:17:47):
There was a certain video that they refused to watch,
which would have been that video that showed what actually occurred.
And you know, it wasn't just the officers that said
we shouldn't sign these charges. This went to the prosecutor's
office and they said, you're right, don't sign these charges. Somehow,
then city hall gets involved and they ordered to sign
have them signed charges. When you say the prosecutor's officer,

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you mean Connie Pillach, the city and county prosecutor's office.
So Connie Pillach, how many county prosecutor said, no, we're
not going to charge this guy because of the color
of his skin. We're going to charge based upon merit
and based upon the facts. So Connie Pillach, how many
county prosecutor, the city solicitor, the city prosecutor's office, not

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the solicitor. The city prosecutor said, don't do it. The
line officer said, don't do it. Thiji said don't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
But then the city solicitor Emily smart Warner got involved
and sound file criminal charges against a person because of
the color of their skin, even though the facts don't
indicate it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Is that accurate? If those are the facts as I
knowed them.

Speaker 8 (01:18:53):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Then lastly, I spoke to an official and the Department
of Justice who said this being investigated as a civil
rights violation. So those involved in this decision. Proudly stood
up like a tenfold beacon in the night and said,
bring in the cameras, bring in the microphones. As the

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city leaders, we're going to state we want a white
person charged with a crime.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
And it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
And when you live in a city or a state
or anywhere in America and civil authorities say we want
a person charged because of the color of their skin,
how wrong is that?

Speaker 7 (01:19:37):
That's absolutely wrong. Anytime you have politics that are meddling
and policing, you know we have this. We have bad
decisions that are made not off of fact, but off
of feeling, off of what are ever political motivation.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
It's absolutely wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
And lastly, Ken Kober, Chief, I'm sorry the head of
the union. I'll put another log on the fire. Last
week I had on attorney Doug Brannon, who's the attorney
for Alex Stravinsky. In the discovery given to him by
the city prosecutor's office, they did not include the three
c DC tape that showed Alex t did not start

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the fight. They did not put that in there.

Speaker 8 (01:20:14):
He said.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
The first time I saw it was last night on
Fox nineteen, and I said, well, obviously the charges will
be dismissed at some point soon, he said, I'm sure
what's going to happen after the election. We're going to
get the tape from three c DC that showed Alex
t did not originate anything.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
He was a victim from the get go.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
How does that make you feel when the US Department
of Justice is looking at criminal charges against the mayor,
the vice mayor and others including Emily Smart Warner and
I guess chief of police now Henny are being looked
at criminally by the US Department of Justice for filing
criminal charges against the person because of the color of

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their skin.

Speaker 7 (01:20:55):
Well, you know, somebody's got to investigate this to determine
if any laws had been broken.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
You know, that's all part of this process. Yes, I
certainly welcome this.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Isn't it a crime if a city or state official says,
in the color of state law, under color of law,
we're going to file charges against somebody because they're white
or black, Right.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
I think I think they're gonna have some problems.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
You're absolutely right, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Once again, Ken Cober, I wanted you respond to what
Alice Irish really talked about and segment Dennison has been
close to iris really for a long time, and so
I think it's great that we get her on a
get her viewpoint. Heard and Ken Cobra once again, thanks
for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you, Ken, Sure,
thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
God bless you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
Let's continue with more. You know, democrats in the South
for years and decades would file criminal charges against people
because of the color of their skin black. Here we
are half a century later now city state officials, including
Cecil Thomas state representative, once criminal charges filed against somebody
because of the color of their skin white. Bill Cunningham

(01:22:00):
News Radio seven hundreds.

Speaker 9 (01:22:03):
You better make up your mind what you're gonna do.
It's your football team. Find a way to fix it.
Rache down inside and be a pro.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Oh hell hello, Byetts, I'm broadcasting.

Speaker 9 (01:22:24):
You better make up your mind what you're gonna do.
It's your football team. Find a way to fix it.
Rag down inside and.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
Be a pro.

Speaker 10 (01:22:33):
Was that Zach Shula after the game because Marvin Lewis
to say he's coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Lewis is coming back, that's what they're saying.

Speaker 5 (01:22:40):
He is, right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
Well, we need something. How about John Gruden? What would
Mike Brown pop up Mike Brown. How someone good to
come in?

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
That's stupid. The coach, the head coach is not the issue.
You're the person who sacks the name. How about Duke Tobin?
What about him? Twenty five years?

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
They have a special original pancake, Yes, the Samar Stewart
special extra special pancake.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
That's one.

Speaker 10 (01:23:06):
I can't understand him to have a body like a
Greek god like he does and have come out of
two straight games with no tackles none.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
Yes, Dave, he's hot. Break it down, rock what do
we got breaking it up? Not the super Bowl? We're
not talking about Derrick Park losing old woman name. I
mean the Bengal look defensively in particularly.

Speaker 10 (01:23:27):
You got a few trades here, right, you can start
benching starters just to send a message in the second streak?

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Well can they? Can it be that much worse?

Speaker 5 (01:23:36):
Uh?

Speaker 8 (01:23:36):
You can?

Speaker 10 (01:23:36):
You know, you can start doing that, Maybe start bringing
in some free agents. Maybe you find a diamond in
the rough. But this is clearly the thing about next year.
You can maybe start firing coaches. You can look at trades,
but who are you going to trade in order to
get something? You got to give something to get a.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Gimpie leg defensive end in his thirties, who once thirty
one years old and he hasn't played in two games.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
So what are you gonna get for him? First round
draft pick? No they want first round? No about Logan
Will you might get a fourth, the third.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
They're not trading him. He's too valuable. Look what he's
done this year already when he's on the field. He's
not on the field now on the field like it is.

Speaker 10 (01:24:13):
What everyone was saying when you know, when all the
contract stuff was going, like you're on the kind of
on the wrong side of thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Do you want to, hey that guy, would you get
draft choice for? Of course Duke tub want to screw
that up anyway, who's feeling real good? The last thing
we need, the last thing we need is more draft picks.
We don't draft, well, give it to Duke more need
less draft picks. What do we need then? Guys that
can play football in the National four and Remo? Now,

(01:24:41):
where's your lou and them fired? When I did not
riding high with uh with the Colts. You're not breaking
it down, Rock, I need to know what I just
gave you.

Speaker 10 (01:24:51):
The four options a week from some starters, bringing free agents,
fire coaches, or trade.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
How about selling the team? I'm sorry, moving to Vancouver.
This is a mom and pop operation worth billions. They
have no clue what they're doing. Duke Tobin twenty five years?
Is that possible? This guy been there twenty five years,
enjoys a brandy with Mikey boy every now and then.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
That's about it. It's not gonna it's not gonna change.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Before we go to the segment number one, Friday Night,
Deer Park versus Anna Sanna. Some woman named Anna beat him.
Fifty five Rocket team rockets down the park. Where were
they from? Anna, that's the name of the team. Where
they from? I don't know they're up to Anna? Ohio, fool,
don't even by Minster. Okay, gotcha, Okay, that's up there.

(01:25:40):
This is the first round playoffs. Dear Park goes down hard.
Then Saturday afternoon, the little Rock playing for the super
Bowl tough.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
He goes down hard.

Speaker 10 (01:25:49):
Oh we lost against Central twenty six East Central Black.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Look that they had a better team than us. They
played well, they got it.

Speaker 10 (01:25:56):
Look they got a great super coaches head coach that
outfits a guy named Steve Norton, A roll who took
the blame of it. Well, I'm trying to tell you
I'm trying to get to this defensive coordinator and that
you get to it, do a little bit of everything.
But nonetheless, Steve Nolner, great guy, great football coach. He's
an older guy, which makes you probably want to you
probably want to jump on that bandwagon tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
But uhidnt give me the play twenty twenty to six.
Twenty to six, that was a disaster.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
And Saturday night the Bearcats the boar Cats, according to
Andy Mack, the Utes in the Land of the Utes.
Was it like forty eight to fourteen any time mc
hammer get him ready. Then then Sunday afternoon at the
buckle at pay Court that the bacle. You should have
seen your friends.

Speaker 10 (01:26:41):
It is they were five hundred and seventy four yards
of offense. Is after the Bears. I mean I didn't
say the eighty five Bears. I just said the Bears.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
These are different, the differs of the midway, the monsters
in the midway. Yeah, And then Sunday night you had
FC and the Crew. There were twenty shots on goal
by both teams total, how many were by FC. One
they go in the net four nil, four nil, one
to one, Saturday night Game three.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
That's where we're now. Deer Park down, Little Rock down,
Rock down, both little rocks down the middle Rock went
down to roll.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Down a Saturday night ut Lands terrible Sunday afternoon the
Bengals embarrassed themselves once again. Then to top it all off,
Sunday night FC nothing and they get hammerd. They're gonna
lose this this weekend, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
And they're done. So do you have any hope? Absolutely none?
Say give me some sports will heave the Stootu reporter,
sprout service, every local tame Star heating, get air condisiting dealers,
Tamestar quality you can feel in beautiful Southeastern Indiana.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
Called Joe xtied at X nine heating at Gooli at
eight one, two, nine, three to two, twenty twenty six.
I want a first round draft courts for a gimpy
leg at thirty one year old.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
They can't play drunk.

Speaker 8 (01:27:55):
It's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
There's there's no one else to to trade. What about
the second string? Get them in there and I have
this picture.

Speaker 5 (01:28:02):
That's what you do.

Speaker 10 (01:28:02):
Maybe you just start bringing in guys and maybe it's
just going to set an example standpoint, you say, look,
if you're going to give that kind of effort and
tackle that poorly, we'll just bring to someone else at
least motivate them to some agree.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
I put this on MYNT. What are the odds of
those three guys not making that tackle in that position?

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Seem to be triangulated? And number eighty four Bob Trump's
number one? What's the deal with the tackling rock? I
mean you you've been tackling. You've been tackling since you
were what three years old? Yes, I mean why do
they always go to the Why did they go for
the upper body? Hit the legs?

Speaker 10 (01:28:38):
They go high, they don't put their head across Wrap them.
They don't when I played football for Gordon Vetterino. Wrap
them up tight and you don't let go. At some
point they're going to go down.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
They want. They bounced off that Leonard guy like he
was this for a long time.

Speaker 10 (01:28:55):
But I mean, first of all, it's hard to get
good at anything that you really can't practice. You can't
practice tackling in season. Now, there's things you can do.
I don't know if they're doing them or not. There's
some things you can do you can have collisions. You
got to have some sort of collisions, right, got to
have it because that's a kind of a pretty big
part of tackling. Would you not agree the collisions, but
you can do things to minimize the collision and make

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it over a smaller or a degree of space.

Speaker 8 (01:29:20):
But you got to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Usually to some degree tackling you kind of can do
it or you can't, you know. I mean, these three
players had them surrounded. I will I will say this too.
In my opinion, some of the issue is with so
many young guys playing.

Speaker 10 (01:29:35):
Part of tackling is knowing where you're supposed to be
and have confidence in that, and also knowing where your
help is.

Speaker 5 (01:29:40):
Right.

Speaker 10 (01:29:41):
So, if you're a young guy and you kind of
don't know and boom play happens, and god, am.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
I supposed to be in the A gap? And if so,
who's in the beat? And you don't know that, that
will cause you to misstack. I have no idea what
you're saying. Trying to lay it out.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
I want you to break it down at some point
down What about Al Gordon, your buddy from UH game?
What about you forget how to coach defense? They've given
up three hundred points so far in nine games, an
all time bad record.

Speaker 10 (01:30:08):
There's that fall on the players are him? Would you
say we're getting out schemed? Yes, because we're getting out schemed,
then you could make that case.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
What about selecting? Think we're getting out schemed?

Speaker 10 (01:30:16):
I think we're just not making place player problems than
anything I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
If I'm the chef for ever, if I'm the chef
preparing the food, I want to buy the groceries. Who's
buying the groceries? Been there twenty five years? You can't
find them? What a search warrant?

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Right now?

Speaker 8 (01:30:32):
Say?

Speaker 5 (01:30:33):
Go ahead?

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
The bye week is under way. Willie and Bengals, Bengal.
I'm talking about Gordon Vetterino and the great at Saint Savior.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
There is one great thing about Saint X this past week,
just one one? What dom ellis?

Speaker 8 (01:30:48):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
How about this? I did say twenty twenty five Ohio
Athletic Association Division one state cross country. Yeah, fifteen minutes
and seven seconds. You want them on? Yes, a cross
country champ. Bring him in college. He's gonna have a
future in his life.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
I'm like college basketball tonight, Bearcats in Western Carolina at
six thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:31:09):
Do you like that matchup? Rock and I don't care?

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
Parriston Xavier? How about that forty five and fifty five
Xaviora and K? And you see Claremont at six thirty
on the project like the Claremont?

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
What is it? What does it say? You see Claremont?

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
Haven't they won the national title? We had men here
once or twice? I think in uh volleyball thirty seven
base you see Claremont go ahead? An old dominion. In
the Miama RedHawks can't wait? Canisius and Dayton Franklin up
against Wright State? Free agent free agent Reds? Free agent Reds?

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
What the guy?

Speaker 6 (01:31:47):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
How about one point three billion? The Dodgers spent on
four pitchers one point three work and it worked? Yes,
it worked? Is it worth one point three billion? Tony
Fender says yes. Key Brian Hayes gets his second gold
Love Can he hit? Uh? Nick Martinez, Emilio Pagan, Zach Lttel,
Wayne Wade, Miley, Ian Jabou, Miguel Andrew harr and Santiago

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Espinal are all free agents.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Let them all go. I don't need any of them hit.
Can they hit? We need guys that can hit.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Guys that can hit the base the best of all time,
And the announcers said, when was the last time my
ball got stuck in the wall. Well, Fredo hit the
ball on the wall in the right right, I said, Hey, Fredo,
Cincinnati all comes back to Cincinnatis. Everything in the world
comes back to Cincinnati. Do you have any hope, Rock,
Do you have any hope that don't play for about
two weeks then they got the bad part of the

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schedule starts.

Speaker 5 (01:32:41):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Yeah, Now.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
We're gonna play like Pittsburgh, and then you got to
play Buffalo, and then you gotta play I gave you
the four options of what they I'm like, what are
the options? You're looking at his notes there, Well.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
No, I'm looking about the on CNN.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
But I mean I'm saying they got I think they
got Baltimore with like within twice within two or four weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
I believe it's Baltimore. Someone Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
They got here. Yeah, and they there in Thanksgiving. Unbelievable,
Andy Mack. They're gonna they're gonna get rid of that game.

Speaker 2 (01:33:18):
Yes it is.

Speaker 10 (01:33:18):
It's Buffalo sandwiched in there between two Ravens kicking the
crap out of the Chiefs just for fun. Lamar is
back and he's got an attitude. It's so scored that
the final final, too much time. I said, don't minute,
don't do it, pull a tea stomp, boom boom. Colson
at the tight ends four hundred and seventy yards fifty

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four yards not good.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
At recovery no good. Block and field goal no good?
All I can take to runs kickoff back ninety nine
yards no good. Two receivers over one hundred yards.

Speaker 10 (01:33:51):
You can say, I mean literally did everything else that
you could do to keep your team in the game
and win.

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
And now they thought they were going to lose, didn't you?
At the end there I that was somehow it was
going to be. If they tackled him, they might not
have time to kick a field flag like first game,
I think with over four yards of offense in his career,
he said, first time for yards passing it in my
career he.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Is like his arms like hanging off his body, and
he still goes out and does that. It was with
a bunch of guys he's known for about a week
and a half. Not good enough. How's that possible? Only
in Cincinnatis? As possible? What was worse the Little Rock
in the Super Bowl, Matt Deer Park at Anna, the
Rock in the Super Bowl, bear Cats at Utah, Bears

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in one of those things and the crews just line up.
That disaster would have held. One of those teams would.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
Have would be one. But they wasn't even close. The Bengals,
we knew they were going to lose. I said, if
you can leave any time on the clock. Tim Higgins
was brilliant against Pittsburgh to go down and take the
dive right, yea brilliant. Otherwise if he scored that quick
touchdown again spitz Perk, they would have gone back and
scored and they would have lost that one too. They're
three and six, giving up three hundred points, the worst

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performance of any defense this side of the magin No
Line in World War One, when the French didn't know
what the hell they were doing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
Do you any hope, Rock?

Speaker 8 (01:35:14):
I need it?

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Got to break it down at some point you got the.

Speaker 8 (01:35:18):
Down.

Speaker 5 (01:35:19):
That's embarrassing. I mean, you don't ever want to put
them any points up. You know that teams have scored
that much, or let teams rush for them much, whatever,
you know? I mean, I played on some really good
defenses before, so I know what it takes to be
a good defense. I know what it's like to be
on a good defense. So yeah, I mean it is embarrassing, but.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
Left the room job when you were with the Colts
to do.

Speaker 10 (01:35:50):
We just about by the way, And it wasn't It
wasn't Derrick Henry that rushed for you know, a billion yards.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
It wasn't Bruce Saw.

Speaker 10 (01:35:58):
It was some guy named Monagay he got a career
one hundred and seventy six yards. And a guy named
Britton Brown who was pulled off the practice squad. In essence,
he's their fourth or fifth running back and he had
dominated five for thirty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
Has the offensive team banned the defensive team from the
locker room? Tony Parker's gonna start getting real ugly inside.
How about the Ivy character off sides lining up? They
missed the field goal and then they go down and
score a touchdown. That's seven points Ivy and he's laughing
and snickering. He's snickering. Wrap up Joe's Burrow's toe and
get let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
What Joe's got the toe he's got?

Speaker 10 (01:36:32):
Does Jamar Chase wanted Joe Burrow to come back because
he throws in the ball like every time Flacco does.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Does he want does he want Burrow to come back?

Speaker 5 (01:36:41):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
And and this environment, why play? You can't win?

Speaker 10 (01:36:45):
No, I'm saying, does Jamar Chase want no Joe Burt
to come back? He's pretty good? Yeah, targets has like
fifteen to twenty targets a game. It's also not good.

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
I don't know what to tell you. How about Trey
Henderson gain to travel for a bag of football is?
What about that hope to be here after the fourth game?

Speaker 6 (01:37:02):
I stopped doing hopes and all that stuff a long
time ago. It's you are where your feet are, and
you know where your feet will blessed to be where
I am right now.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
You know botom of the national football you know first
to last.

Speaker 6 (01:37:15):
You know it's it's it's a there's a limited amount
of spots here, and this is an incredible blessing.

Speaker 5 (01:37:20):
You know, sick for the fans and sick for the
people that you need to come and watch us, and
me too.

Speaker 6 (01:37:25):
It's tough games, but again, like moving forward, I think
we'll make the corrections we need to and get back
in the one call.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
And I want to compliment Mike Brown.

Speaker 10 (01:37:34):
Is he incentivized to like come back to this mess?
Does he think he's not? Why would you Borrow or
Hendredson or any of them? Are they're four and ten?
What do you do if you're Joe Burrow and coming
back unless you're worried about Flacco like being here and
Flacco will be here next year. I'd sign him as
a backup, wouldn't you know? If he can throw football? Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
Hey, I hate he's playing better than Joe Burrow?

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Can I say that.

Speaker 8 (01:38:00):
Rock?

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
Can't?

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
I can't say Rock break it down? At some point
say give me out of the stud's report. By the way,
you have you have a bowman coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
But yeah, Corey Bone right at at gate three o'clock.
Where's the mayor?

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
He's in a bunker under eight o one Plum Street. Seke,
please continue? Will we say happy seventy second anniversary today?
On this date in nineteen fifty one? Who was president?

Speaker 5 (01:38:22):
Then?

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
The Montgomery Inn opened its door? Today today? Wow, seventy one,
seventy years, seventy two years in business? And who was president?
Tell him? Who is president? Nineteen fifteen? Tell him I'm
done with the president stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
No still Truman Did you go to Coleraine? Did you
go to Coleraine? I had not seg thank you, good
luck with the little rock, thank you, he's done. We
leave you with the immortal words of the stud report.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
No comments. I got Troy Blackburn can't say on seven
hundred w auto.

Speaker 6 (01:39:01):
Thank