November 3, 2025 • 21 mins
Willie talks with Iris Roley of the Collaborative about her role in city politics, and how she respond to the attacks on her by some around the government.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
By Billy Cunningham, The Great America and talk about the Bengals.
Later on we had Moe coming up. Plus FC was
a complete disaster, as was as you see Bearcatcher's problems everywhere.
But in the studio with me right now is Iris,
Rolie and Iris welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. I
think for the first time, is that correct?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
That is absolutely correct.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, let's talk about what happened last night in Cincinnati.
And on Sunday we had something the range of I
know seven or eight people were shot, one was murdered.
According to most of the accounts, the city is ripe
with violence of one type or another. And as the
collaborator described to the American people, what your role is
with the city at this point?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
So Willie, what my role is with the city currently
is what my role has been almost for twenty five years,
prior to me signing a contract to be consultant to
the city manager on you on the work of policing
public safety, to work through the collaborative agreement. So for
twenty two years, I just want to say to you
and your listeners, I dedicated myself. My husband allowed me
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to My husband of thirty one years has allowed me
to give them myself freely to the work of the
Collaborative Agreement, So that meant no pay. We had no budget,
we had no staff, we had nothing. And this was
from the community's lines. This is from the Black United
Front lines, the people who came together collective. Lind said,
we're going to sue the city the FOP in this
police alleging racial profile. Now, mister Cunningham, I know folks
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get all up in their panties about well, what does
that mean she's anti police? You're absolutely incorrect. Iris Rowley
has done work greater than most people in the city,
and I'm grateful to my spouse and to the Black
United Front and everybody who's put work into the hands
of the Collaborative Agreement, including the police.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Let's talk about the police, because as a collaborator of sorts,
you have to work with different groups. One most important
groups is the police. Correct.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I had Ken Cobra on the head of the union
about a month ago, Okay, on Friday, Ken, and he
said that they have no confidence in you. They said
that you involved yourself wrongfully, possibly criminally in arrest. They
had video of you interfering with the police arrest and
they have no confidence in you. So if one of
the main parties of the collaborative is the police, and
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the police don't want to collaborate with you, a problem.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
So yeah, that is a problem.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
So listen, So Willie, I got into this in a
very hostile rep way, right. So we were at the
cusp of fifteen unarmed black men being killed at the
hands of the police. The city had gone through civil unrest,
major corporations, people didn't want to come. We were asking
people to boycott downtown Cincinnati, and we downtown tourism and
we were effective, and the whole world saw that Cincinnati
was having issues with the black community and the police.
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That's what we rode into federal court with thirty years
of problematic policing. Now in the past twenty five years,
if you got one incident that you're upset with, Iris
wrote about, I say, she gets an A plus.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I have there several incidents. No, no, no, I've seen
three or four videos.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
No, so don't do that. You saw two videos, and
you saw two videos. One on a Saturday, of which
I was called downtown to help a family who's sixteen
year old was killed by a fourteen year old.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So I get up.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Because I work all the time, I don't know when
IRIS really gets off. So I'm gonna ask your listeners
to tell me that because I go from consultant to
just advocacy and doing what people want all the time.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Right, that's not fair.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
However, so when I get a call from one of
my guys that works on Government Square, and by the way,
they've been doing phenomenal work, call me and say, can
you help the family? They don't know where the body is.
They don't know this, they don't know that. Get up
out of my bed, meet them at a thirty in
the morning. I stand on Main Street for five hours
outside of the building whe his baby was murdered. Right,
did not even know that, helping the family to identify
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where the body was. And that's nobody's business but mine.
I elected to do that as the great person I am,
as Jesse's wife and his mom, and as a community caregiver.
This is who I am and this is who I
have been. So I go there. I help the family.
We stand outside, Willie outside for five hours. So I
stand outside, find the baby, find the funeral home, find
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know these things go around the corner to get something
to eat because I'm hungry. I'm noticing all these folk
walking around with cups. They have alcohol, and I'm a contributor.
I am a tax payer, and I pay attention to
my town. So folk want to be mad because I
pay attention to Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Well be mad. I have at it.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
But I'm noticing a lot of folk walking around with
beer and wine and cups.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
To me, is this? This is not a door? What's happening?
So we leave there now?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Remember I spend five hours go get an Ampinada, so
I can go home now to content to my business.
I see right where I'm about to move into because
I go live on Green and Republic. Try to live
down there for thirty days so I can do some
problem solving. But we'll get back to that, because that's
still part of the destroy I'm going to get there.
To you, attorney, no, no, I sound like a tax payer.
(04:43):
I sound like a person who's not whose voice hasn't
been heard so that you can hear the goodness and
you can stop trying to find the bad and the
and the goodness.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Now, let me say the police don't want to collaborate
with you. That that's not all the police. It was
seven people, ten people.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
So one of the things that I have for you,
mister Cunningham, because always told you we're gonna try to
get me, is I literally just got back with now
in some Chief.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Ham, I'm not getting I'm reporting facts to you.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I don't know if it's facts, because I don't.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I don't want to talk to collaborate.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I talked to Can Cobra and he's not said that
to me. My husband talked to King Cobra. He's not
said they did. Now I've read it in the newspaper,
but they have no choice. You said that the police
are the main character.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
They're not.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
The community is the number one the number one stakeholder
in the collaborative.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Agreement is the community community, the black community, Cincinnati's majority
white city.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Well, but the majority white city wasn't having fifteen fitting
on white.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Men killed at the hands they were all justified. No,
they were not.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Which one wasn't other than Steven Roach.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
And and and in our in our community, that's what
we were told. They were justified because they were no investigations.
Misster Cunningham, and I see where you want to go,
But I'm gonna keep moving us forward because that's what
Cincinnati is, and that's what the Collaborative has actually helped
Cincinnati do move forward. Had we not built in the
framework of say and problem solving to address public safety
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and policing issues, we wouldn't have all the development. You
wouldn't have a downtown that you see is vibrant. The
Collaborative helped rebuild Cincinnati. And you know, I don't know
if you know this, mister Cunningham, but the police and
I have traveled the country together to talk about it.
So when you say police, whom are you talking about?
I just got back from Madison Westconsin.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
You should the FOP said they won't collaborate with you,
and you're wrong.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, who's FOP? I mean there are many there are
many members.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Well, there are many members, and you don't have to
meet the police to be an FOP.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Surely when that happened, there was some The mayor came
on some of the media and said that they're going
to meet with you and they're going to identify problems
when you interfere with an arrest and hopefully that'll get better.
Did you meet with the mayor about your involvement and
the arrest of a person that you seem to interfere with.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Did you get But your facts are wrong. No one
was arrested. There was a recitable ticket. So that's how
I know you're speaking ill because your facts are not wrong.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Conference, they're going to get with you and counsel you
and help you to understand. Did you ever speak to
the mayor on that issue?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I'm spoken to the mayor about many issues.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Did he talk about that issue? Did did he change
your behavior? Did he change your behavior?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I don't think so, mister. No, No, I don't think so.
And here's what I didn't do because if I broke
the law, I expect to.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Be arrested, but they did not because.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
They just want to take a.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Problem.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Well, mister Cunningham, let me tell you what the way
younger than I'm gonna call you, mister Cunningham, but I'm
old enough to be respected. And so here's the deal.
If I broke the law, I would expect for any
officer that I've talked to, and I've talked to way
more cops than you have. I've talked to way more
cops than most of the people that you bring in
your studio. You know why I can say that, mister Cunningham,
(07:51):
because I talked to every recruit class. I have done
that since the year of two thousand and eight. Now
here's where I think people get their panties in a
bunch and give me for my colorful language because I'm
very colorified.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I don't know, so I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
So, so, mister Gunnaham, here's what I will say to
you again in twenty five years if that is the
issue that you have.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
And I've not killed anyone, I'm not. I'm not, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
But if the police say that they because the officer
officer heard who I spoke to was the same officer twice,
female cup, I hunt the same officer twice. And I'm
not going to tell you the story because I don't
think you're interested in facts.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
You all want a gaslight. But that's cool too, because
you can do that.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I report the facts.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Well, the facts were it was a recitable ticket.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Did the mayor ever talk to you and say, Irish,
kind of calmed down a little bit, don't interfere with
an arrested Mary tell you that.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
The mayor, after a peer of all, which we should
re elect. Has always been concerned with my well being
and has always been answer the question has always been policed.
I am I'm answering the way that I think that
you deserve.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
An answer yes or no? Did did?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I've talked to the mayor about many things, mister Cunningham.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Okay, Now on another issue, the issue of the collaborative.
Do you think after twenty five years, there's many dozens
of police agencies in the Tri State, dozens of police
agencies since time police is one of many police agencies,
only one has a collaborative. Do you think the police
in Cincinnati have racial tendencies of such a quality that
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the collaborative needs to be in effect when all the
other police agencies in the Tri State don't. What's unique
about Cincinnati police? Who've had black police chiefs, black captains,
et cetera, black mayors, black cities.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
They have one black captain right now.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Well in the past, So we have issues on diversity diversity,
we still have issues of competency that.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
We have issues of diversity as respect to who is
in our police division period.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
The question is what is unique about CPD that all
the other police agencies don't need someone like you to
implement the collaborative. Are they different than all the other
agencies in Ambulenty County.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I think that they're not courageous enough.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
One they not been sued, so we sued CPD in
federal court, so you have to do the mandate of
the federal court. And what I do appreciate about what's
unique about CPD is all of this training and all
of this work and understanding around who the people are
that they do police. I think they're extremely unique. I've
been trained by the best, and that's what I said
to King Cober the day of what you're talking about.
When you said, I interrupted, I'm trained by CPD, so
(10:22):
I know how to I know how to read you,
I know how to read your body language, and I
know how to read someone standing by you. There was
no threat of violence. I've been trained by CPD very well.
So I saw that and it was it was an.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Inter question, or since I police still racist?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
If you look at the data that comes from our
citizens complaining authority, seventy percent of our complaints are by
African Americans. I'll let your finishship answer the question. They
may not be racist. I don't know what they are.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
So they may be policing differently in one way than
they are in this way. And this is the beauty
of the collaborative. This is a job that taxpayers pay for.
I pay taxes, mister Cunningham. I'm looking for reciprocity on
my tax dollar, not only investment into the community. But
I'm looking at reciprocity, and not only that, mister Cunningham,
I'm looking at how I can fit into this and
help what the collaborative has done for the city of Cincinnati,
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Dear sir, if you're looking for facts, it has reduced
injuries to officers, lawsuits, injuries to citizens. So, yes, it's unique. Yes,
it's still needs. Yes we still have a.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Long way not Hamlety County Sheriff's office, the Green Town
not Sycamore Township, Cincinnati Police.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
All of them, all of them. So you're that you're no, sir,
not but you're the attorney. So can you legally sue
multiple agencies at one time? No, you can't, I'll answer
we were only we could only sue in Cincinnati. But
what I will say to you, dear sir, mister Cunningham,
is that all of the ones that you've just said
out of your mouth they need help and guess what
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they borrow from BAM.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
The collaborative agreement.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Tracy Hunter, Tracy Hunter, Judge Hunter, Judge Hunter to speak
for herself.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
She'd be for herself. So she you went out and
picket at the home of my good friend, Judge Patrick
dink Locker to protest a sentence that he imposed on
Tracy Hunter.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Protests a sentence and protest the injustice and protest him
having no drug out of court.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yes, I did, all right.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yes, she was convicted by a multi racial jury of
one count of felony. She went through the entire appeal
process for years and dink Locker is still in court
right now. Wasn't the trial judge. It was Natal who
left the bench. And then you took it upon yourself
to picket someone's home for following their legal duty to
give her a sentence.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Which, by the way, and that's what make Dan Heels
upset and said, I shouldn't be collaborating. So since the exception, well,
extremely when Pat dink a Locker issues justice fairly in
our in our and so and listen and listen, this
is the greatest point of democracy that you can disagree,
and we did no damage to his home. We didn't
dox him, We didn't put his address out in the
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universe to say, go, hey, threaten his wife and kids
are grandkids. I'm like folks that listen to seven hundred. Wow,
that has happened to me since all of this stuff,
all this vitul and discord has come about, a collaborative
agreement in Iris Rowly. So yes, sir I did utilize
one tool in the civil Rights handbook too.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Are you sure I get away?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
No?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Why would I be sorry.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Because it was wrongful?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
No?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Why is it because the judge simply did his or
her job In this case it was a man and
we simply disagree, disagreed. Yeah. Also, when it comes down
to what happened on July twenty sixth, did you meet
with the victims of the beatdown on July twenty sixth,
the so called wife victims and talk to them about
what happened to them?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
No, sirah did not.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
They didn't call me?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
What do you have to only you respond to circumstances. Reason.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
People call my phone all the time, mister Gunaham. People
call my phone and they want help. They didn't call me.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
The three CDC put out a video about a week
ago which clearly demonstrated that the future criminal defendant started
this thing with Alex t as I can and he
was hit first. Yet the city leader stood up about
a week later and demanded criminal charges against a person
because of the color of their skin. Happened to be
white white person. Charge.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
No, sir, don't do that. Don't do that.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I'm just saying what I don't do that.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Don't do that. Don't you No, no, don't don't don't
make what they're the ones. Don't make it.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Based I want based on race a person would charge.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Because all of the African Americans were charged, and then
they were charged with additional charges from.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
The case the other ones who committed criminal actions.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
But here's what I will tell you.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I spoke to interim police Chief Handy on Friday.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Do you think should have been put on administrative leave?
I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
That's that's above mine.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
No.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I can't say yes or no that I'm not saying.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Have you told police that she should not have been
put on leaves?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I would not say that. I would not interfere in.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
The question about absolutely about the civil rights leader standing
up and demanding a person to be charged of the
crime based upon race.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Based is that based on equity and fairness, based on
the application, based on the application of the law.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
But let me say this.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
The fact is I spoke to Interim Chief Henny on
Friday because I couldn't remember if this is a video
that I knew that they had seen or that I
had seen, because there were so many videos, okay, right,
there are tons of them.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
There was tons of them.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
So when I spoke to Interim Chief Heney, I said,
just because the questions are coming to me. He said, Irish,
we saw that video. That's the video that the city
solicitors saw that. Then the charges were made against.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Who was hit first.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I think once you stopped. I think once you stop
and start. I think once you stop and start. But
that will be a question for the city solicitor and
the city manager and the police in Trant.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Police, this is a principle if city.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
If you do know the interim police chief did sign that.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
And the line officers would not sign it because it
was wrong, and wouldn't sign it because it was wrong.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I've not heard that. I've not heard that from the
chief of police. I've not heard her say that at all,
and we talked through that. And as a matter of fact,
here's another fact that you probably don't know. When the
when the community was called forgetting the warrant sign, I
spoke with Chief Theji. She did not know where mister
Jermaine I can't think of his last name was. I
actually did find him because he was in the justice center.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
It was around that principle, if civil rights leaders and
civil authority stand up and demand the person be charged
because of the color of their skin.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
That's not what we demanded it.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
As a matter of principle, isn't that wrong.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
That what you're saying is incorrect. So if you listen
to more over the black community and some non black people,
and as some non black people thought, well, and we disagree,
I'm even great.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Should a person be charged because of the color of
their skin?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
No, they should be charged based on facts.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Why didn't happen in this case?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
It did happen. They were charged based on facts because
he slapped a man.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
But he slapped the man after he was punched twice
in the back of the head first.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
But when you look at the video, mister Kinnahammond, I
know there are too. There are two worlds worlds. There's
a nod, there's a privileged world, and then there's the.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Not a privilege some thousand bucks a year a goodness.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
No, I'm not saying no, I'm not sir. I feed children,
I take care of children, and I help my community.
There is not enough to pay Iris really for the
goodness that she's done in the city. And you don't
have to say thank you while we're on the air.
I'll wait until well off.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
As far as continuing, should we continue with the mayor?
Is the mayor at a long as the city manager? Yes,
you in charge of the collaborative.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I'm not in charge of the collaborative. I just worked
the communities worked that.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
But you're paid right by tax dollars.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I am paid.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
With the same mayor, the same city manager, you and
others involved of criminal justice. And is this the future
of Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Mister Cunningham, I would, I would venture to say, I
think you've called more discord in this process in twenty
five years that Iris Roady has. You've not even heard
from Irish. Well you would, but you've not even let
me finish. Won't let me you most certainly doing you
get to espouse it all day, every day. But this
is the first time you've heard Iris Roly name in years.
Outside of all the great work at the transit site,
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this is the first time you've heard anything negative. So again, sir,
I would challenge you.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yes, you will be I've been there since February twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
You know it's my good friend.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I've not had any issues.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
It's my good friend, Charlie Kirk said before he was
murdered in cold blood. When the talking stops is when
the violence begins. I say, let's keep talking. That's what
we've been doing without accusations.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
That's what we've been doing. That's what we've been doing.
That's what I've been doing.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
When you come on again in a month or you
got you.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I'm married to that guy right there. You crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
I will be back. I'm a member of the Since
Name Black and Underfront. But listen, this is what I
have for you, mister Cunningham. This is the full collaborative agreement.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I want you to read it.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
This is York.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
You can have I got this right your diploma right now.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
You can't have my diploma. That's my participatory read it though.
I want you to read it to the people so
they'll know.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Center for Problem Oriented Policing presents the Herman Goldstein Award
and Recognition of Excellence and Problem Oriented Policing to Missus Iris,
Rowley Society, Black United Front.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
There you go. So and I was with Interem Chief
Chief Henny with assistant.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Did he see the tape ahead of time when he
signed the falseho?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
You should get him in here and talk to him.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Why don't you ask the mayor and Hanny to come
in here that I've asked him, They won't come on. Hey,
we got the guts to show up. I'll give you
credit for that, but you.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Don't make it. You don't make it warm and fuzzy.
You don't make me. Fish have to come with security.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You got two big men.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
It comes to m wrestled those security to this.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Will you come back in a month or two.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
But let me say he got the guts. I have
all the guts. You know what I typically say to people,
My balls are beginning us. But my husband told me
stop saying that. So listen, are you transgender?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
No?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I'm not. No, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
We have something?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Are you? You sound like it? Though?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
This is you got your mondays on the day with
his Monday, but listen Tuesday that you should haved on
Sunday the way the Bengals play. But but that's a
whole other story.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Why don't you come on again? If you got the guns,
Irish Rowley, will you come on and do it? Come
down to the transit center.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
When are you coming? When are you coming?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
My people will be in touch. Will you guarantee my security?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
My secure?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I got you, I got you guys looking talk to him.
But mister, the other piece that I have for you
is this is ectrocency.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
This is what all this to give me homework.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You better read it too.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I will because I know who you learned from games
of games games?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
So who was his? Who was his college roommate? U
was that you?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Judge? Robert Franklin was a roommate of mL King of
nineteen forty eight?
Speaker 3 (20:51):
More houses your question in my Civil Rights Act?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Merit. I don't believe in d e.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Well you die well in the world.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
When we're gonna break that up, let's break it up time,
So tell them to stop f and when iris really
we're doing that?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Got you? You got me yours? Thank you? We got
to tell you right. God Bless America.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
God, Bless America.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Seven hundred W l W
By Billy Cunningham, The Great America and talk about the Bengals.
Later on we had Moe coming up. Plus FC was
a complete disaster, as was as you see Bearcatcher's problems everywhere.
But in the studio with me right now is Iris,
Rolie and Iris welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. I
think for the first time, is that correct?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
That is absolutely correct.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, let's talk about what happened last night in Cincinnati.
And on Sunday we had something the range of I
know seven or eight people were shot, one was murdered.
According to most of the accounts, the city is ripe
with violence of one type or another. And as the
collaborator described to the American people, what your role is
with the city at this point?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
So Willie, what my role is with the city currently
is what my role has been almost for twenty five years,
prior to me signing a contract to be consultant to
the city manager on you on the work of policing
public safety, to work through the collaborative agreement. So for
twenty two years, I just want to say to you
and your listeners, I dedicated myself. My husband allowed me
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to My husband of thirty one years has allowed me
to give them myself freely to the work of the
Collaborative Agreement, So that meant no pay. We had no budget,
we had no staff, we had nothing. And this was
from the community's lines. This is from the Black United
Front lines, the people who came together collective. Lind said,
we're going to sue the city the FOP in this
police alleging racial profile. Now, mister Cunningham, I know folks
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get all up in their panties about well, what does
that mean she's anti police? You're absolutely incorrect. Iris Rowley
has done work greater than most people in the city,
and I'm grateful to my spouse and to the Black
United Front and everybody who's put work into the hands
of the Collaborative Agreement, including the police.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Let's talk about the police, because as a collaborator of sorts,
you have to work with different groups. One most important
groups is the police. Correct.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I had Ken Cobra on the head of the union
about a month ago, Okay, on Friday, Ken, and he
said that they have no confidence in you. They said
that you involved yourself wrongfully, possibly criminally in arrest. They
had video of you interfering with the police arrest and
they have no confidence in you. So if one of
the main parties of the collaborative is the police, and
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the police don't want to collaborate with you, a problem.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
So yeah, that is a problem.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
So listen, So Willie, I got into this in a
very hostile rep way, right. So we were at the
cusp of fifteen unarmed black men being killed at the
hands of the police. The city had gone through civil unrest,
major corporations, people didn't want to come. We were asking
people to boycott downtown Cincinnati, and we downtown tourism and
we were effective, and the whole world saw that Cincinnati
was having issues with the black community and the police.
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That's what we rode into federal court with thirty years
of problematic policing. Now in the past twenty five years,
if you got one incident that you're upset with, Iris
wrote about, I say, she gets an A plus.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I have there several incidents. No, no, no, I've seen
three or four videos.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
No, so don't do that. You saw two videos, and
you saw two videos. One on a Saturday, of which
I was called downtown to help a family who's sixteen
year old was killed by a fourteen year old.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So I get up.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Because I work all the time, I don't know when
IRIS really gets off. So I'm gonna ask your listeners
to tell me that because I go from consultant to
just advocacy and doing what people want all the time.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Right, that's not fair.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
However, so when I get a call from one of
my guys that works on Government Square, and by the way,
they've been doing phenomenal work, call me and say, can
you help the family? They don't know where the body is.
They don't know this, they don't know that. Get up
out of my bed, meet them at a thirty in
the morning. I stand on Main Street for five hours
outside of the building whe his baby was murdered. Right,
did not even know that, helping the family to identify
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where the body was. And that's nobody's business but mine.
I elected to do that as the great person I am,
as Jesse's wife and his mom, and as a community caregiver.
This is who I am and this is who I
have been. So I go there. I help the family.
We stand outside, Willie outside for five hours. So I
stand outside, find the baby, find the funeral home, find
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know these things go around the corner to get something
to eat because I'm hungry. I'm noticing all these folk
walking around with cups. They have alcohol, and I'm a contributor.
I am a tax payer, and I pay attention to
my town. So folk want to be mad because I
pay attention to Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Well be mad. I have at it.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
But I'm noticing a lot of folk walking around with
beer and wine and cups.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
To me, is this? This is not a door? What's happening?
So we leave there now?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Remember I spend five hours go get an Ampinada, so
I can go home now to content to my business.
I see right where I'm about to move into because
I go live on Green and Republic. Try to live
down there for thirty days so I can do some
problem solving. But we'll get back to that, because that's
still part of the destroy I'm going to get there.
To you, attorney, no, no, I sound like a tax payer.
(04:43):
I sound like a person who's not whose voice hasn't
been heard so that you can hear the goodness and
you can stop trying to find the bad and the
and the goodness.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Now, let me say the police don't want to collaborate
with you. That that's not all the police. It was
seven people, ten people.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
So one of the things that I have for you,
mister Cunningham, because always told you we're gonna try to
get me, is I literally just got back with now
in some Chief.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Ham, I'm not getting I'm reporting facts to you.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
I don't know if it's facts, because I don't.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I don't want to talk to collaborate.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I talked to Can Cobra and he's not said that
to me. My husband talked to King Cobra. He's not
said they did. Now I've read it in the newspaper,
but they have no choice. You said that the police
are the main character.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
They're not.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
The community is the number one the number one stakeholder
in the collaborative.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Agreement is the community community, the black community, Cincinnati's majority
white city.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Well, but the majority white city wasn't having fifteen fitting
on white.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Men killed at the hands they were all justified. No,
they were not.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Which one wasn't other than Steven Roach.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
And and and in our in our community, that's what
we were told. They were justified because they were no investigations.
Misster Cunningham, and I see where you want to go,
But I'm gonna keep moving us forward because that's what
Cincinnati is, and that's what the Collaborative has actually helped
Cincinnati do move forward. Had we not built in the
framework of say and problem solving to address public safety
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and policing issues, we wouldn't have all the development. You
wouldn't have a downtown that you see is vibrant. The
Collaborative helped rebuild Cincinnati. And you know, I don't know
if you know this, mister Cunningham, but the police and
I have traveled the country together to talk about it.
So when you say police, whom are you talking about?
I just got back from Madison Westconsin.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
You should the FOP said they won't collaborate with you,
and you're wrong.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, who's FOP? I mean there are many there are
many members.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Well, there are many members, and you don't have to
meet the police to be an FOP.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Surely when that happened, there was some The mayor came
on some of the media and said that they're going
to meet with you and they're going to identify problems
when you interfere with an arrest and hopefully that'll get better.
Did you meet with the mayor about your involvement and
the arrest of a person that you seem to interfere with.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Did you get But your facts are wrong. No one
was arrested. There was a recitable ticket. So that's how
I know you're speaking ill because your facts are not wrong.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Conference, they're going to get with you and counsel you
and help you to understand. Did you ever speak to
the mayor on that issue?
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I'm spoken to the mayor about many issues.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Did he talk about that issue? Did did he change
your behavior? Did he change your behavior?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I don't think so, mister. No, No, I don't think so.
And here's what I didn't do because if I broke
the law, I expect to.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Be arrested, but they did not because.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
They just want to take a.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Problem.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Well, mister Cunningham, let me tell you what the way
younger than I'm gonna call you, mister Cunningham, but I'm
old enough to be respected. And so here's the deal.
If I broke the law, I would expect for any
officer that I've talked to, and I've talked to way
more cops than you have. I've talked to way more
cops than most of the people that you bring in
your studio. You know why I can say that, mister Cunningham,
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because I talked to every recruit class. I have done
that since the year of two thousand and eight. Now
here's where I think people get their panties in a
bunch and give me for my colorful language because I'm
very colorified.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I don't know, so I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
So, so, mister Gunnaham, here's what I will say to
you again in twenty five years if that is the
issue that you have.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
And I've not killed anyone, I'm not. I'm not, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
But if the police say that they because the officer
officer heard who I spoke to was the same officer twice,
female cup, I hunt the same officer twice. And I'm
not going to tell you the story because I don't
think you're interested in facts.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
You all want a gaslight. But that's cool too, because
you can do that.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
I report the facts.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Well, the facts were it was a recitable ticket.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Did the mayor ever talk to you and say, Irish,
kind of calmed down a little bit, don't interfere with
an arrested Mary tell you that.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
The mayor, after a peer of all, which we should
re elect. Has always been concerned with my well being
and has always been answer the question has always been policed.
I am I'm answering the way that I think that
you deserve.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
An answer yes or no? Did did?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I've talked to the mayor about many things, mister Cunningham.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Okay, Now on another issue, the issue of the collaborative.
Do you think after twenty five years, there's many dozens
of police agencies in the Tri State, dozens of police
agencies since time police is one of many police agencies,
only one has a collaborative. Do you think the police
in Cincinnati have racial tendencies of such a quality that
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the collaborative needs to be in effect when all the
other police agencies in the Tri State don't. What's unique
about Cincinnati police? Who've had black police chiefs, black captains,
et cetera, black mayors, black cities.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
They have one black captain right now.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Well in the past, So we have issues on diversity diversity,
we still have issues of competency that.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
We have issues of diversity as respect to who is
in our police division period.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
The question is what is unique about CPD that all
the other police agencies don't need someone like you to
implement the collaborative. Are they different than all the other
agencies in Ambulenty County.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I think that they're not courageous enough.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
One they not been sued, so we sued CPD in
federal court, so you have to do the mandate of
the federal court. And what I do appreciate about what's
unique about CPD is all of this training and all
of this work and understanding around who the people are
that they do police. I think they're extremely unique. I've
been trained by the best, and that's what I said
to King Cober the day of what you're talking about.
When you said, I interrupted, I'm trained by CPD, so
(10:22):
I know how to I know how to read you,
I know how to read your body language, and I
know how to read someone standing by you. There was
no threat of violence. I've been trained by CPD very well.
So I saw that and it was it was an.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Inter question, or since I police still racist?
Speaker 3 (10:37):
If you look at the data that comes from our
citizens complaining authority, seventy percent of our complaints are by
African Americans. I'll let your finishship answer the question. They
may not be racist. I don't know what they are.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
So they may be policing differently in one way than
they are in this way. And this is the beauty
of the collaborative. This is a job that taxpayers pay for.
I pay taxes, mister Cunningham. I'm looking for reciprocity on
my tax dollar, not only investment into the community. But
I'm looking at reciprocity, and not only that, mister Cunningham,
I'm looking at how I can fit into this and
help what the collaborative has done for the city of Cincinnati,
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Dear sir, if you're looking for facts, it has reduced
injuries to officers, lawsuits, injuries to citizens. So, yes, it's unique. Yes,
it's still needs. Yes we still have a.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Long way not Hamlety County Sheriff's office, the Green Town
not Sycamore Township, Cincinnati Police.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
All of them, all of them. So you're that you're no, sir,
not but you're the attorney. So can you legally sue
multiple agencies at one time? No, you can't, I'll answer
we were only we could only sue in Cincinnati. But
what I will say to you, dear sir, mister Cunningham,
is that all of the ones that you've just said
out of your mouth they need help and guess what
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they borrow from BAM.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
The collaborative agreement.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Tracy Hunter, Tracy Hunter, Judge Hunter, Judge Hunter to speak
for herself.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
She'd be for herself. So she you went out and
picket at the home of my good friend, Judge Patrick
dink Locker to protest a sentence that he imposed on
Tracy Hunter.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Protests a sentence and protest the injustice and protest him
having no drug out of court.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yes, I did, all right.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yes, she was convicted by a multi racial jury of
one count of felony. She went through the entire appeal
process for years and dink Locker is still in court
right now. Wasn't the trial judge. It was Natal who
left the bench. And then you took it upon yourself
to picket someone's home for following their legal duty to
give her a sentence.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Which, by the way, and that's what make Dan Heels
upset and said, I shouldn't be collaborating. So since the exception, well,
extremely when Pat dink a Locker issues justice fairly in
our in our and so and listen and listen, this
is the greatest point of democracy that you can disagree,
and we did no damage to his home. We didn't
dox him, We didn't put his address out in the
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universe to say, go, hey, threaten his wife and kids
are grandkids. I'm like folks that listen to seven hundred. Wow,
that has happened to me since all of this stuff,
all this vitul and discord has come about, a collaborative
agreement in Iris Rowly. So yes, sir I did utilize
one tool in the civil Rights handbook too.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Are you sure I get away?
Speaker 4 (13:17):
No?
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Why would I be sorry.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Because it was wrongful?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
No?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Why is it because the judge simply did his or
her job In this case it was a man and
we simply disagree, disagreed. Yeah. Also, when it comes down
to what happened on July twenty sixth, did you meet
with the victims of the beatdown on July twenty sixth,
the so called wife victims and talk to them about
what happened to them?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
No, sirah did not.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
They didn't call me?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
What do you have to only you respond to circumstances. Reason.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
People call my phone all the time, mister Gunaham. People
call my phone and they want help. They didn't call me.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
The three CDC put out a video about a week
ago which clearly demonstrated that the future criminal defendant started
this thing with Alex t as I can and he
was hit first. Yet the city leader stood up about
a week later and demanded criminal charges against a person
because of the color of their skin. Happened to be
white white person. Charge.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
No, sir, don't do that. Don't do that.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
I'm just saying what I don't do that.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Don't do that. Don't you No, no, don't don't don't
make what they're the ones. Don't make it.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Based I want based on race a person would charge.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Because all of the African Americans were charged, and then
they were charged with additional charges from.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
The case the other ones who committed criminal actions.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
But here's what I will tell you.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I spoke to interim police Chief Handy on Friday.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Do you think should have been put on administrative leave?
I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
That's that's above mine.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
No.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I can't say yes or no that I'm not saying.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Have you told police that she should not have been
put on leaves?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I would not say that. I would not interfere in.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
The question about absolutely about the civil rights leader standing
up and demanding a person to be charged of the
crime based upon race.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Based is that based on equity and fairness, based on
the application, based on the application of the law.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
But let me say this.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
The fact is I spoke to Interim Chief Henny on
Friday because I couldn't remember if this is a video
that I knew that they had seen or that I
had seen, because there were so many videos, okay, right,
there are tons of them.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
There was tons of them.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
So when I spoke to Interim Chief Heney, I said,
just because the questions are coming to me. He said, Irish,
we saw that video. That's the video that the city
solicitors saw that. Then the charges were made against.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Who was hit first.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I think once you stopped. I think once you stop
and start. I think once you stop and start. But
that will be a question for the city solicitor and
the city manager and the police in Trant.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Police, this is a principle if city.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
If you do know the interim police chief did sign that.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
And the line officers would not sign it because it
was wrong, and wouldn't sign it because it was wrong.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
I've not heard that. I've not heard that from the
chief of police. I've not heard her say that at all,
and we talked through that. And as a matter of fact,
here's another fact that you probably don't know. When the
when the community was called forgetting the warrant sign, I
spoke with Chief Theji. She did not know where mister
Jermaine I can't think of his last name was. I
actually did find him because he was in the justice center.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
It was around that principle, if civil rights leaders and
civil authority stand up and demand the person be charged
because of the color of their skin.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
That's not what we demanded it.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
As a matter of principle, isn't that wrong.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
That what you're saying is incorrect. So if you listen
to more over the black community and some non black people,
and as some non black people thought, well, and we disagree,
I'm even great.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Should a person be charged because of the color of
their skin?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
No, they should be charged based on facts.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Why didn't happen in this case?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
It did happen. They were charged based on facts because
he slapped a man.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
But he slapped the man after he was punched twice
in the back of the head first.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
But when you look at the video, mister Kinnahammond, I
know there are too. There are two worlds worlds. There's
a nod, there's a privileged world, and then there's the.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Not a privilege some thousand bucks a year a goodness.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
No, I'm not saying no, I'm not sir. I feed children,
I take care of children, and I help my community.
There is not enough to pay Iris really for the
goodness that she's done in the city. And you don't
have to say thank you while we're on the air.
I'll wait until well off.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
As far as continuing, should we continue with the mayor?
Is the mayor at a long as the city manager? Yes,
you in charge of the collaborative.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I'm not in charge of the collaborative. I just worked
the communities worked that.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
But you're paid right by tax dollars.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
I am paid.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
With the same mayor, the same city manager, you and
others involved of criminal justice. And is this the future
of Cincinnati.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Mister Cunningham, I would, I would venture to say, I
think you've called more discord in this process in twenty
five years that Iris Roady has. You've not even heard
from Irish. Well you would, but you've not even let
me finish. Won't let me you most certainly doing you
get to espouse it all day, every day. But this
is the first time you've heard Iris Roly name in years.
Outside of all the great work at the transit site,
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this is the first time you've heard anything negative. So again, sir,
I would challenge you.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yes, you will be I've been there since February twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
You know it's my good friend.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I've not had any issues.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
It's my good friend, Charlie Kirk said before he was
murdered in cold blood. When the talking stops is when
the violence begins. I say, let's keep talking. That's what
we've been doing without accusations.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
That's what we've been doing. That's what we've been doing.
That's what I've been doing.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
When you come on again in a month or you
got you.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I'm married to that guy right there. You crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
I will be back. I'm a member of the Since
Name Black and Underfront. But listen, this is what I
have for you, mister Cunningham. This is the full collaborative agreement.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I want you to read it.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
This is York.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
You can have I got this right your diploma right now.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
You can't have my diploma. That's my participatory read it though.
I want you to read it to the people so
they'll know.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Center for Problem Oriented Policing presents the Herman Goldstein Award
and Recognition of Excellence and Problem Oriented Policing to Missus Iris,
Rowley Society, Black United Front.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
There you go. So and I was with Interem Chief
Chief Henny with assistant.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Did he see the tape ahead of time when he
signed the falseho?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
You should get him in here and talk to him.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Why don't you ask the mayor and Hanny to come
in here that I've asked him, They won't come on. Hey,
we got the guts to show up. I'll give you
credit for that, but you.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Don't make it. You don't make it warm and fuzzy.
You don't make me. Fish have to come with security.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You got two big men.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
It comes to m wrestled those security to this.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Will you come back in a month or two.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
But let me say he got the guts. I have
all the guts. You know what I typically say to people,
My balls are beginning us. But my husband told me
stop saying that. So listen, are you transgender?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
No?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I'm not. No, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
We have something?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Are you? You sound like it? Though?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
This is you got your mondays on the day with
his Monday, but listen Tuesday that you should haved on
Sunday the way the Bengals play. But but that's a
whole other story.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Why don't you come on again? If you got the guns,
Irish Rowley, will you come on and do it? Come
down to the transit center.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
When are you coming? When are you coming?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
My people will be in touch. Will you guarantee my security?
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My secure?
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You better read it too.
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Judge? Robert Franklin was a roommate of mL King of
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Got you? You got me yours? Thank you? We got
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God, Bless America.
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