Eddie & Jason Williams -- 10/17/25

Jason Williams joins Eddie on this Friday edition of the program. They talk with Richard Skinner, John Matarese, Todd James, John Rizvi, and Pat Brennan.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, back on the Eddie and Rocky Show, Rock
Out today. Jason Williams from The Inquire at Cincinnati dot
Com is with me here on a Friday, which makes
this a Friday kind of extra special because coming off

(00:21):
of a Bengals win that game last night, that was.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Fun, that's all. Oh yeah, that was just a fun
game to watch, and you know, really really happy for
Bengals fans. You know, you saw that very game last
year and you knew exactly how that game was going
to go. And for it to go the other way
finally this time, for them to win in an outscoring

(00:48):
of you know, outscoring the other team finally, I think
that was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Well, let's talk to our usual Friday guest around about
this time. It's our good friend Richard Skinner from Local
twelve and Skinny Ears talking there, and that was we
were talking to Jason Hoffman the other day and talking
about how one would be fun to see an old
fashioned shootout between these eighty plus years where the quarterbacks

(01:13):
out in the field, and that's when it turned out
to be.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
I mean, they combined for seven touchdown passes and two interceptions,
both by Aroon Rodgers. But the seven touchdown passes for
two four year old quarterbacks. It is just insane to
think about. It's one thing to think about when you
think that Joe Flacco has only been here for nine
days basically between the time he got traded in that game,

(01:37):
and he's already played two games in the nine games span.
I mean, two of the most interesting things last night,
and I was down there for zach Killers press conference today,
was Joe mentioned, actually Zach mentioned last night. Joe reiterated
that there were times where Zach would call in a
play and they're so long, the play calls are so
long that Joe didn't completely understand it, and so there

(01:58):
are times they lined up incorrectly and I and Joe said,
he goes. I was so grateful that Zach was patient
and just let kind of the play go because I
kind of knew the concept. I knew where, you know,
we needed to go. I knew we didn't line up
the way we were supposed to line up. I had that.
Dan said, I mean, you only have three timeouts to burn,
so you can't just keep going. You lined up wrong
time out, you line up long time out. And he laughed,

(02:19):
and he said, you know, It's great that Joe said
he was patient or I was paid with him because
he was patient with me. Because they said those play
calls sometimes they just go so fast and you just
don't hear them, and so you're dealing with that on
top of all of that that, like, you know, the
play calls one thing, and guys are going the wrong way,
why up, wrong line, and you just go, let's go,
let's play. And it was wild to watch how wide

(02:41):
open Jamar Chase got on easy routes. It was listen, man,
I'm I'm an old guy. Man, I've seen a lot
of stuff in this league. Last night was in the
top five of wild.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, and skin it was funny along
those lines. Zach joked last night and said, you know
that that Joe's you know, he has to he doesn't
understand my uh my Oklahoma accent or he's taking a
look like whatever. Justice jokingly of course, but yeah, you're right,
Like now that you sit here the day after and

(03:16):
the game gets over so late and you're trying to
process it and it's like, holy cow, and then you're
like the two old guys and Jamar Chase with the
record sixteen catches, and.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
It's pretty incredible.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I mean the fact that then and then the the Bengals,
you know, go down there and the friar moveth has
just got to haunt those guys.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
And Aaron Rodgers does what Aaron Rodgers does at quintessential
roll out, finds him down the field with what two
thirty one somewhere around and there, and you're like yeah,
and you're kind of like, here we go again.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, that was it. That was the game right there.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, you were yeh seconds away from you were seconds
or not sign you were minutes away from a soul snatching,
season ending loss. Right, because there's no way you rebound
from that. You just don't. It's your fifth in a row.
You did everything on offense you could literally possibly do.
I mean, you got twenty three targets to Jamar Chase

(04:16):
and he cut sixteen of them. I mean, you did
everything in your power and you're minutes away from a
soul snatching loss. And then two completions of Jagar and
then a completion up the sideline with te Higgins who
had the wherewithal And and knew it. They told him
ahead of time to slide down, so they could eat
up some clock, and then I guarantee you everybody's holding
their breath on the on the field go. I mean,
you got a you got an undrafted rookie long snapper,

(04:39):
a second year punter who dropped the snap last year.
And you know, Evan mc pherson hasn't made a clutch.
This is no knock and he hasn't made a clutch
field goal in a while. He's made a lot of them,
but he hasn't made one in a while. And so
you're still even if though it's a thirty six yard
you're like, eh, what could possibly go in here? And
when things are going haywire, you either lose it thirty
one thirty because the fire roof toushdown and don't get

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your range, or you lose it because there's something wacky
on the field goal. And they won it. And man,
I'm telling you, I was in the locker room today
and usually the day after game, like Mondays are a
ghost town. They come out of meetings and they snatch
up their stuff and they're gone. And today, man, they're
dancing in there crazy.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, man, the way that game started. Also, Yeah,
the Steelers passed they were all over flat though. It
was like this is gonna be brutal. Then all of
a sudden, I mean, what happened? Guys? You tell me?
Did the offensive line just stout up or did the
Steelers back down on the rush? What happened there?

Speaker 3 (05:45):
I mean, I will say this, I think I don't
have the exact number. It's either ninety eight or ninetynine.
Let's just round it to one hundred. Joe Flacco's had
one hundred drop backs from the last two games, and
he's been sacked three times. And that's the guy who's
supposed to be a statue, who is supposed to not.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Be able to move, and he doesn't move.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
I mean, made a nice run on the Reid option play,
but he doesn't move, but he gets it out of
his hands so quickly. And I do think. I do
think the offensive line's played good. I asked back today,
I mean, if you found your two guards, and he
was kind of wish you washing because I don't think
he wants to bury Dylan Fairchild, the rookie, and Lucas Patrick.
But Dalton Reiser was awful at right guard in the
two starts he made. He's been great at left card

(06:26):
the two starts he's made. Dylan Rivers gave up a
sack last night, the rookie right guard, but for the
most part he keeps the sending. Marius Men's last night
was great. Orlando Brown Junior hasn't played well the last
few games, and suddenly he played well last night. And
you know again, some of it is Flackel gets it
out of his hand fast. I think the game before
the Packer game when he got it out of his

(06:47):
hands in two point five seconds or less. He was
twenty one of twenty five. I don't have that metric
from last night.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
I don't know what that is.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
But he got out of his hands so fast, like
there was a touchdown to t Higgins, the one where
te Carter about the twenty and then race the last
twenty yards into the end zone. If you watch that
play from behind, and I am bed tweets in my
game stories, I'm doing it. I embedded a tweet of
Joe the scene from behind the line of screamage, Like

(07:13):
with Joe Flacco's looking at He's through that with such anticipation,
like there's a defender, but he knows where he's gonna
go and he's gonna go behind the defender in front
of the other defender, and he puts in a perfect
spot where he catches it, goes up the field. I
mean a lot of this is on Joe Flacco getting
out of his hands quickly, so it's I don't even
know what the sand has been just remarkable to watch,

(07:35):
especially the last six quarters of this offense, and.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Even his unremarkable stuff was remarkable.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
I was trying to squeeze this in my columns and
say dot com, and I couldn't figure out a way
to get it in there. You know how that goes
skinny when you're trying to write something. Yeah, the read option, right, well, no, no,
not the read option.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
It was.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
It was in midway through the third quarter.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
They're down what in the red zone there and he
you know, Flacco's under pressure on second second goal and
he drops back under pressure, he just throws the ball out.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Of the way.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Then on the next play, third and goal, he rolls
out right. No one's open. He's basically throws the ball
on the ground that close enough to a receiver. They
chip shot field goal. They go up twenty to ten.
They don't waste that opportunity. There to score and obviously
in a close game, and that was in the middle
of a of a where they had gone six straight

(08:31):
drives where they scored either touchdown or field goal. And
I thought again that that right there was part of
why they brought Joe Flacco here because Jake Brown, god,
God love him, he would have tried to force something there.
And we all know when he was forcing stuff, the
bad stuff that was happening. But you know that doesn't
jump out at you and we're not really breaking that

(08:53):
down and you know, all over the place. But I
thought those two consecutive incompletions were really critical.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
No, that's a great that's a great point. I didn't
sit it in either, but I remember the pla. I
remember the sequence like it was two minutes ago. And
I think it's one of the reasons they don't go
get a Russell Wilson other than you know, some of
the locker room be the stuff, but it's you know,
Russell still thinks he can create with his feet and
make plays and he just can't. At some point, you
just can't. Joe never did. Joe fucker never did. He
never had. It's not been his DNA, it's been fight

(09:24):
for another down. Yep.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
And you know.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
That the arms, the arm talent is still there, the
anticipation is still there. You can tell, man, he he
wants so badly to make this work. Like I can't
remember the question last night Jason Prescoverer is a long
lives of did you ever think you, you know, two
weeks ago, do you ever think you have a chance
to feel this again and start again? And he kind
of plaus on, No, not really, And I think he's

(09:49):
relishing the fact that he's getting this opportunity, and it's
it's just amazing. I said, it's somebody from the We
were kind of in a circle, you know, waiting for
some players in the locker room. I said, you know,
if Joe Burrow comes back this year, I mean you
could maybe potentially have two or co comeback Players of
the Year in the NFL this year. Joe Flaco for
coming back from what he came back from and Joe

(10:09):
Burrow for coming back when he came back from It's insane.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Wow, you know what that's uh, Well, for one thing,
I also wanted to touch on what you guys think
about and who doesn't love to see Mike tomlin Wine
about Flaco coming from the Browns to the to the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Like, why would you do that?

Speaker 1 (10:28):
They're stupid? But also what happens at the end of
the year. Let's say that Flaco, they'll say they win,
how whatever, It's going to be five games between now
and when he potentially could come back, maybe six games
something like that. Let's say he wins four out of
those six games, do you bring back Burrow?

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Jill Burrow's Joe Burrow. And if Jill Burrows one hundred percent,
it's Jill Burrow times one thousand. I'll use an example.
People in the audience will not know this refforce. Some
will I'm so sorry I shouldn't say that O way,
but most people won't. The nineteen seventy two Miami Dolphins,
a finish undefeated. Bob Greasey, their quarterback, their starting quarterback,
broke his ankle in game four or five. I camera RIGI,

(11:12):
and an old vet your name Earl Morle, came in.
Earl led him to it, let him all the way
to an undefeated season. And then Earl starts the first
playoff game and did okay, and they came back and won.
Then in the second playoff game. They're in Pittsburgh and
Earl isn't playing so good, and they turned back to
Bob Greasy and then Bob Greasy at that point was healthy,
led him to a win, and then they started Bob

(11:32):
Greasy and the super Bowl and led him to win.
Bob Greasy isn't even Joe Burrow. And Bob Greasey is
a great player. I mean, he was one of the
great quarterbacks of his generation. Joe Burrow is too, and
I think Joe Flacco understands that. Again, this is all
things being equal. With Joe Burrow coming back one hundred percent,
I mean, when he's one hundred percent and you know
he's one hundred percent, I mean, there's not even a debate.

(11:53):
It's a good question, Eddy, because it was like, gosh,
should you write the hot hand? No, sorry, I'm writing
to Joe.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Went back to that uh Tomlin and you know, I
know it came off as whiny, and I know this
isn't necessarily a local angle to this, but overall, when
you look at the AFC North, I mean, he makes
a good point and then you're kind of like, I mean,
you no, he's not wrong, and you know we were
talking you Skinny sits a couple of seats away from
me in the press box. And you know, we were
talking about this last night, about what the heck were

(12:22):
the Cleveland Browns thinking about trading this guy. This guy
is by far was a you know, at least you
think like he's their best quarterback and uh, you know,
I mean clearly well right, I mean, and they have
the defense to keep him in, Like, all right, if
you had have kept flaccoh and he could have done
this now Joe, and Cleveland doesn't. They don't have a

(12:42):
Jamar or t which is a huge deal.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
But it yeah, all right, no, and both things real quick.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
On Tomlin, I mean, he's not wrong, and I think
he knew he was scared of Oh my gosh, I'm
gonna say, shoe Flacco in a big game. I mean
last night made Mike Tomlin on the road in the
AFC US on Thursday night games and win seven. You
don't think he didn't know that in the back of
his mind, I'm owing six. I gotta play this guy.
And lastly, I mean to the Browns point, I think
the Browns just simply did an old pro a solid
and I know that's that's usually I agree with that. Like,

(13:15):
you know, you came and bail us out in twenty
twenty three and you got us to the playoffs. We're terrible,
and we know we're terrible, and let's go with the
youth movement. Let's let's let's see with the rookie. The
two rookies have for us at quarterback, and they did
the guy a solid and get a draft on every
account and cost. Oh yeah, with the.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
With that's skinny, we will let you go, buddy, Thanks
so much, have a great week. Go thanks our good
friend to Richard Skinner. And with that we check in
with traffic and weather. What is going on? Jayson Williams
from The Inquirer. Since ninety dot com is with me, Jase,
want to salute our citizen of the day here on
the Indiant Rocky Show. It's Mike from Joe's Piece Area

(13:54):
in Dayton, my old uh, my old hometown. Mike, a
big listener of the show. A salute to Mike. Is
it Dayton style pizza?

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Oh yeah, dude, for my money, that thin crust that's
real big yeah. I mean you can get it anywhere,
but that they called it's Detroit style or Dayton style,
whatever you want to call it. But yeah, nice thin.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Crust, underrated, man, a lot of goop Dayton Dayton style pizza, underrated.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
I'm with it me too, And cheers Mike. Uh so
you were there last night, yes, sir? What was the
what was the vibe? It looked like I told my
wife right when the game started, when the when the
Steelers just drove, and the fact that Aaron Rodgers could

(14:46):
stand back in the pocket and dance around for like, yeah,
eight ten seconds. You ain't gonna win a lot of games.
I can't if you're that's your defense. But they so
mal pulled it out place place really really subdued.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
I thought it was.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
I thought it was gonna be. I thought it would
be quite subdued.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
After that, and then it felt like it was that
way really for the most part, all the way up
until well, I mean until you know Moneymack hit the
game winner there, and even then you're just kind of
like still eleven second what it was? It's eleven seconds?
I think was let ye like, oh, Aaron Rodgers are

(15:25):
gonna hit one of those hail aris. I legitimately think
that that was probably in the back of a lot
of Bengals fans minds, because this is exactly the game
that has not gone their way the last few seas
well last season. You know, that close game. That defense
is not good and it's probably worse this year than

(15:47):
it was last year. And I know it that's been
a little overshadowed because of the quarterback stuff. But yeah,
and then, but it was just really magical there. And
it's kind of an overused term, but for someone in
the I think it might have been Skinny in the
press box said or PDJ may have said it like

(16:10):
Steelers may have scored too fast there the way Flacco
was going, And sure enough, yep they did.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
That's exactly what I thought. Yeah, like, maybe slow your
role here these guys. Uh, Flacco has been all up
your butt the whole game, and now all of a sudden,
you're gonna pull the trigger. My first reaction was, Okay,
here's where the Steelers defense is going to show up
and they're gonna st You kept waiting for that, right,
So there's gonna be an influencer or they're gonna be

(16:38):
in Uh, you know, something's gonna happen in the interception
of some nature and then uh, and then that happened.
But watching Flacco run for whatever it was thirteen fourteen
yards or whatever, I'm sitting there thinking, dude, you look
like me running. But hey, there wasn't anybody within ten
yards of them. I mean that entire state. We were

(17:01):
all fooled. Anyway, you just can't help but chuckle. And
that was that was that was cool?

Speaker 3 (17:07):
What what?

Speaker 2 (17:07):
As as much as Zach Taylor takes a lot of
heat for the play calls, there were a couple of
moments last night, you were like number one, that was
a good play call. Number two there was a call
where I mean it was funny because he had challenged
the spot and that was one of those spots where like,
I mean, they literally I think it was like four
inches they needed to go. And you're like Zach is

(17:29):
so many times it feels like in the last few
years where it's like you try to get cute, you know,
and like last night, by golly, it was you know,
there's Joe Flacco just you know, Snucker right up the middle.
I believe Chase came in almost like a kind of
a mini tush push didn't really need to do it,
but Chase Brown just kind of comes up, gives him

(17:50):
the nudge. Didn't need to and uh, first down. Hats
off to Chase Brows. The hell of a game last night.
I mean, it's great to see because, like when you
it's got to happen. They run the ball, allows Flacco,
it only helps them, and you know they didn't have
that with Jake Browning and you know that, Yeah, I'm

(18:11):
not you know, Jake Brownie had his issues, but there
were some things there that you know, he could have
gotten some help on with that.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
We check in with traffic and weather. We got John
Matteres coming up. But that's one of the things I
said to my wife last night, was like, it's not
a good night to beat to beat Jake Browning. The
show with Jason Williams from the Inquire Cincinnati dot Com
is with me and as we do about this time
every Friday, Jase, we talked to this fellow right here,

(18:39):
John Mattaeree's Channel nine. Don't Waste your money and Johnny,
we've been talking about the Bengals game. Obviously it's been
big topic of discussion. So what has happened to Bengals
ticket prices? As of IL know about one o'clock this morning.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah, guys, good afternoon.

Speaker 5 (19:04):
It is amazing what's happened with Bengals ticket prices. You
should have bottom oh about two and a half weeks
ago and the Boys were in the middle of that
four game Yid browning at the quarterback and people were saying,
it's another lost season. It was looking like another Andy
Dalton type of year.

Speaker 6 (19:24):
And the ticket prices were actually dropping to about fifty
bucks just a week and a half ago.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Two weeks ago, fifty bucks. You want to go into
game fifty bucks because you know, it just wasn't much demand.

Speaker 6 (19:37):
And it is unbelievable what has happened since last night about.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Eleven thirty pm. The prices are kicking up. And yeah,
and the this is on Ticketmaster because Ticketmaster does the
verified we sail very trustworthy. The cheapest game right now,
I'm finding is the upcoming one and a week and
a half the Jets, because it's the Jets. What are
they like, They're all they're oh to twelve already, right,

(20:03):
you know, you know it's there, yeah and there. Now
the ticket prices are starting at ninety dollars, that's the
upper deck ninety You want a decent seat in the Bowl.
We're talking about two hundred.

Speaker 6 (20:17):
It's the resale price right now for the jet and
they're cheap compared to the next weekend when the Bears.
The Bears come to town, and when the Bears come,
it's sort of like when Pittsburgh comes. They tend to
bring their fans with them who drive down and they're
finding the starting tickets starting prices around one hundred and

(20:39):
eighty dollars, that's upper deck one eighty, and then you're
getting two fifty three hundred down in the Bowl. So
it is unbelievable. Guys, what's happened in just a week
and a half since Joey two point zero arrived, Because
it's amazing. I mean they were giving tickets away for
forty and fifty bucks two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah. With the well, the Bears fans are going to
be just like the Cubs fans. I mean, look at
it when the Cubs play here in town. Jase, you
can testify this one.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
You're right.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
I was going to say, yeah, you go to Great
American and it's all true.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Half right, it might be fifty to fifty easy. Yeah,
So that's what we're going to see you here, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Well yeah, John, I'm on stub Hub right now, and yeah,
some of those things you're just mentioning. It's the same
old story over there on stub Hub too. I mean
there's there are There's one in the lower bowl at
five forty five right now, there's one in the middle
club level at seven thirteen.

Speaker 7 (21:36):
Come on, man, Yeah, that's the.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Fancy, that's the padded the special path, love beats. You're
covered from the.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Rain in the snow, so the Bears.

Speaker 6 (21:45):
If you want one other chief game, we looked ahead.
And if you want one other cheap game, it's the
Arizona Cardinals in December, because Arizona doesn't bring the crowd
and people are like Arizona, you know, there's not even
in our division. So you will find cheap receipts for
that game. But that's about it, the Jets or Arizona.
Other than that, the prices are going up. As long

(22:08):
as Flacco's throwing like he's through last night, those prices
are gonna keep going on.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Well you know guess where it's it's free. It's on
my couch. Put on the TV.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yep, sit there on the count, Grab that six pack
and Natty light and you are good to go.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
And oh, we were just again talking about Chicago with
the Did you guys hear about the Pope with somebody
in the crowd when he was in the popemobile and
somebody's like going go Cubs. Yeah, you know, he's a
white Sox. He's a white Sox fan. And and the
Pope heckles, reverse, heckles a guy and goes they lost.

(22:47):
I mean, I love it.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, I love it when the Pope's heckling people.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
I like, but you could wear them on your sleeve forever.
The Pope gave me crap man boom.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
So what else were we talking about here?

Speaker 3 (23:03):
What?

Speaker 1 (23:03):
What's this garage door scam we're talking about, Johnny.

Speaker 6 (23:07):
Yeah, there's a real scam involving garage doors if you
need a repair.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
And in fact, I just talked to this company, PDQ
Garage Doors when I heard them heard your ads.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
They're out in Milford and they said, whoa, people are
impersonating us. They're pretending to be us.

Speaker 8 (23:24):
Oh wow.

Speaker 6 (23:24):
And they're showing up at people's homes around especially Claremont County,
but it could be anywhere else in the Tri State too,
And they're you know, going up to the door. Guy
pulls up in a white van and says, hey, I'm
here with PDQ doors and I'm here for your annual
checkup and adjustment. And it's like what it's like, yeah,
ninety nine dollars we check and adjust your door.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
You know.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
So the person's like, okay, PDQ have heard of them,
or maybe you have they installed your door. And a
guy gets out there kind of opens and shuts the
door and goes, ah, you got a problem here. This
cable is getting ready to snap. I need to fix
this immediately. And next thing you know, you know, you're
out six hundred bucks. I had a lady I interviewed.
She's had a Bethel and this is amazing, and she says,

(24:07):
guy comes down. He says, you need a spring. Four
hundred dollars. She goes, okay, four hundred bucks.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
Whatever.

Speaker 6 (24:12):
You don't make the garage door work right. He starts
taking the spring apart. Then he says, oh, wait a minute,
you need a new table, and then you need the
new little rollers on the cable.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
He wouldn't leave until she paid him twelve hundred dollers
one thousand, two hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
And she doesn't even know who he is.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
I mean, he's just Jimmy Bob and a you know,
a rusty white van. So PDQ Door is just saying
watch out, you know. And it may they may be
in person in other local garage door companies too, But
this is as I like to say, it's a scam
because you had to skim because you got to watch
out for this. You know, they'll show up and say, yeah,

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I'm here to adjust your door, and especially if I well,
maybe my wife had had an appointment with them, or
she's home and she goes, well, maybe my husband made
an appointment with them, So watch out for these scammy
garage door people. I've got the whole story on WCPO
dot com and on my John Madley's Facebook page. And
this woman I feel for She spent twelve hundred dollars,

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just wanted they got to leave.

Speaker 6 (25:13):
At that point she said he was creepy, and she said,
I doesn't want him to leave. She to pay some
twelve hundred dollars, gives him a credit card.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yeah, and you can't dispute it because because he did
the job, he actually did replace like everything in her house.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
You know.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Oh yeah, they actually actually actually he actually did the
actual job.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, he did the job.

Speaker 6 (25:34):
She probably didn't need any of that done. It probably
seemed to be lubricated, so it wasn't so it wasn't noisy.
But you know, he did twelve hundred dollars worth of work,
and you dispute it to your credit card and they
reach out to Jim Bob, and Jimbob goes, oh, I
did the drama ba but on new cables, so real careful.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
It's like when they when you get your oil change
and they're coming around with every filter you didn't even
know was in the car, going oh.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yeah, we have to change the passenger air cabin solder.
That correct sixty dollars okay, And.

Speaker 6 (26:06):
Then you go home and you look at your handbook
and you go, wait a minute, this car doesn't have
a passenger cabin air filter.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
That's on those.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Fancy Aldis and BMW's. I don't have that my Chevy.
But yeah, the same sort of thing where they add
stuff on and it's like, what the hell did I
just get charged for?

Speaker 2 (26:23):
If Jim Bob is taking credit cards, this this isn't
going to go real far for him, right, I mean
you're there's there's some trick.

Speaker 6 (26:30):
Yeah, And in fact PDQ Door says they're talking to
the police about it because they're trying to get to
the bottom of.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Who is running around in these old rusty vans. Trying
to picture the former employee.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Employe he knows how to fix the garage door. Maybe
he is, well, who knows?

Speaker 4 (26:47):
It's for these creepy people.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
I'm supposed to be the only creepy person.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Out there looking around the season for creepiness. You're the
uh yeah, you're the guy in the fedora and the
trench walking around.

Speaker 7 (27:00):
Going in the sun last John may.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Hamburger Lady.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yeah, but I'm but I'm allowed to be creepy. So
you know, watch your children and it's a living take care.
They got to have a great weekend and don't waste
your money.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Thanks John, our good friend John Matys w c PO
and nine News coming up next. Speaking of creepy, We've
talked to this fellow a couple of years in a
row around this time of year, and they have now
been named, honest Scott, the scariest. It's the of the

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haunted houses are all around here, you know, end school,
all that all that stuff. This has been named the
scariest haunted house in the world. It's just that old
slaughterhouse down the old slaughterhouse down in Texas. We got
the guy who runs it coming up after our news
right now, news Radio seven hundred w l W. All

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right here it is after Friday, coming up on the
Halloween season. Jason, you know we are two weeks out.
Why don't we two got your candy? Yeah, took out
a second mortgage to get that candy this year. How
about talked about yeah, how about how expensive that is
now brutal? But uh, you know people going out to

(28:26):
the uh, to the haunted houses and all that stuff.
Did you ever do that when you were a kid.
When you were you didn't go to the I grew
up on a farm mountain and then, as you know, right,
we didn't do trick or treating. We didn't we didn't
do Halloween. The only thing Halloween we'd do is like
at school, we'd dress up, right, you know that great
around the school. No corn maze, nothing like that, none

(28:48):
of that. None of it.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Come on, man, none of its kind of childhood my
own corner man, we had a corn field. Well, yeah,
I ever wanted to walk through the corn I'd go
over or my grandpa's what we lived on. Our house
was built on his farm, so I can go over
to his cornfield and walk around. You don't want to
do that, though, because there's these massive banana spiders that
set up shop.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Why why grandpa had a tobacco floor. It was scary
down in deep down in southeast Kentucky. Yeah, and uh
you could run into all kinds of little critters and
underneath those plands.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
Man.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Oh yeah, but these haunted houses and stuff, people pay
good money. They you know, King's Islands, making a fortune
off of that stuff. Blah blah blah on the mall exactly.
And there is one that has now been voted the
scariest in the world place. UT's just be because you

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and I we've talked about this before.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Yeah, and uh it just.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
No thank you for me. But I'm excited to hear
from our guests about it. We have talked to our
guests before. He owns the Cutting Edge Haunted house in
Fort Worth. It is Todd as Todd welcome back to
the show.

Speaker 7 (30:03):
Oh thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
So Todd, I mean to be voted best best in
the worst scariest in the world. Dude, that's big.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (30:16):
Man, I don't even know how that happens. Uh, But
it's an honor for sure.

Speaker 9 (30:20):
But you know, we're just, yeah, we just love to
scare people and we try real hard.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
So what are they what do they judge that on? Todd?
I mean, how many people have heart attacks? And do
you have how many ambulance calls you all have or what's.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Oh, I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 9 (30:41):
I don't know if it's that big, but we definitely
it's all about our actors and we do, uh, we
do a Broadway style audition for our actors and actresses
and you know, they get called back auditions and we
get hundreds of people trying out, and you know, we
picked the cream of the crowd, people that are fat
or big or just scary looking, and you know, put

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them all together and they make a great team and.

Speaker 7 (31:06):
Then we have a bunch of fun.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Todd, The Cutting Edge on an House alone scares me
because you're in an old slaughter house, right, and so
the name cutting Edge is that, right? And it kind
of set the scene there in Fort Worth for why
this place is so scary.

Speaker 9 (31:27):
Well, yeah, it's in a one hundred and twelve year
old meat packing plant that have been abandoned for a
long time. And it's in a part of Fort Worth,
Texas historically known as Hell's Half Acres.

Speaker 7 (31:37):
So it's kind of got some good history to it.

Speaker 9 (31:39):
And you know, it goes that you go up and down,
you know, several stories, and then down into this bank basement,
and I mean the building alone is foreboding and awesome,
but you know, then you add a bunch of great
sets and darkness and fog and chainsaws and banana spiders.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
And you got something.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
So you're talking about auditioning all these people. We've talked
about this before, but how many your cast is? How
many people?

Speaker 9 (32:15):
Uh? We weren't about one hundred people cast, one hundred
and fifty total, And uh yeah, it's it's it's a
big production.

Speaker 7 (32:23):
It's it's it's not unlike a.

Speaker 9 (32:24):
Broadway show that you would walk through, which would probably
get really torn up. But uh, I mean, if you
if you look at our sets and our music and
our actors, and we have this amazing drum line, if
you look up cutting edge the drum line, you can
kind of see the quality of the drum line.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
They're they're one of.

Speaker 9 (32:41):
The best around and and you know we sort of
mish mash all that together with amazing actors and uh
and then uh, you know, we come up with something
that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
And yeah, people coming from all over right to come
the cutting edge.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
They do.

Speaker 9 (32:58):
They like else for Worth, pretty pretty nice place to visit,
and Fort Worth has a lot going on and uh
and uh you can you can fit the Haunted House
in there and it works out really well.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Todd James is our guest, and uh, Todd, how talk
about how you guys came to uh to get this
old beat packing place. I mean, just an old abandoned
building and you was it known to be not haunted?
But yeah, I mean, just how did you come across it?
I guess I'll just make this short question. You know

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what I'm from, Uh, I'm here locally. And so you
drove past that place for years since.

Speaker 9 (33:35):
You know, well when I was in college, and it
sets on top of this hill sort of at the
converge and.

Speaker 7 (33:40):
So several of our highways and it would just set
there empty for.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Years and years.

Speaker 9 (33:44):
And uh we were in another place, uh for for
a bit, and I always thought, man, I'd sure like
to get that place on top of that hill because
it's super creepy. And finally I just kind of met
an old guy that owned it and talked to him
for a long time, many years, and finally I guess
I wore him down and he sold it and let
us start scaring people in it because it did work

(34:06):
out really well for us.

Speaker 7 (34:07):
It's in, it's in a perfect location, and it's on.

Speaker 9 (34:09):
The top of a creepy hill. So uh yeah, yeah,
just kind of eyeballted for.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
A long time. And you've been doing this with thirty
five years?

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (34:19):
Thirty five years to start thirty sixth season.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
That's that's right? Is it?

Speaker 8 (34:23):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Is it a new Is it a different experience every year?
So certainly if you're a local and you you know,
you've been coming every year, are you getting scared in
a different way every year?

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (34:34):
Yeah, Yeah, we're always we're constantly changing and innovating, and
that's kind of why we got you know, named ourselves
years ago cutting ends. We decided we were going to
be different than everybody else and do things differently.

Speaker 7 (34:45):
So you know, every year we're you know, we.

Speaker 9 (34:47):
Reinvent and innovate, and it's uh, I mean it's not
not just me and the builders and the special effects guys. Man,
we take you know, all of our actors have great
ideas and uh, you know, everybo and all the departments
will come up and say, hey, you know you have
thought about this, and we'll be like, oh no, we haven't.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Let's do that.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
So we got it.

Speaker 9 (35:08):
Yeah, So you know, we're not probable enough to think
that we all make it. It takes it takes one
hundred and it takes one hundred and fifty people and
everybody's ideas.

Speaker 7 (35:17):
To turn this thing out.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Sometimes, well it's like Santa's workshop. When do you you guys,
just on November first, are you already plotting next year?
Or when do you go about like starting to invent
new scenarios and whatnot?

Speaker 9 (35:32):
Oh man, it's when we're walking around now at the show,
people are just coming up going, you know, what we
should do next year? And then all the ideas started
just aren't getting generated. But we take a little time
down after November first, enjoy the holidays, and.

Speaker 7 (35:46):
Then you know, by January we're back at it.

Speaker 9 (35:48):
So back at it building and retooling, and we're open
for a Valentine's Day show, which is pretty cool.

Speaker 7 (35:55):
We do all the Friday the thirteenth in.

Speaker 9 (35:57):
There, which is not and then we do a summer
a summer show, so we're always kind of popping this
show out every couple of months.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
So that was what I was gonna ask you. This
is a this is a full time job, right, I
mean you've made a time job out of a haunted house.
That's awesome. Yeah, well talk about.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Crazy niche Yeah right, well you can you can check
it out and see what the cutting edge Haunted House
is all about. Voted the scariest in the world, Todd James,
thanks so much. You can check it out on YouTube.
And man, I'm again, I'm sure once you get that
kind of thing scariest in the world, like Jason said earlier,

(36:41):
you have to have people coming from like Europe and
stuff going like I got to see this.

Speaker 9 (36:46):
Yeah, we get a lot of people that travel, and
that's you know, that's we're just we're just really blessed
and can't can't be thankful enough for for the great
people that work with.

Speaker 7 (36:57):
Us, and we just we have an amazing team. So
I mean, it's that force all right.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Brother, good stuff. Man's on all your success.

Speaker 7 (37:04):
Thanks so much, appreciate you have you Halloween.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
You folks have fun.

Speaker 7 (37:08):
Watch out of those treacherous.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
You never Knowboddy, keep out on the cornfield. You would
have to worry about the banana spiders. But see that's
I haven't been one of those in a long time,
and I think they've just because everything has gotten so much.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
I when I was like in a high school and stuff,
we went to a couple of those things. And back then,
I mean, people could like grab you and stuff. And
I think finally that well, probably because somebody who would
grab you would get their lights shut out on them
with a punch by a big guy. There was a

(37:58):
lawsuit or time. I'm sure there was a couple of
lawsuits along the way. Now, no physical condemn that type
of thing, but back in the day. But I can't
imagine how scary this must be. If it's voted the
scariest in the world, I'll.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Take your word for it. If you're into that sort
of thing, this sounds like something to travel for.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Well, hey, look, I'm sure people there are people who
do this kind of If there are people who travel
all around and go to everything on what's that show, Diners,
drivings and dives. They you know, retired people, couples will
drive all over the country and visit every one of
those little diners and you know mom and pop places.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
I'm just talking to someone the other day has been
in within the last week about how they love Fort Worth.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
Man.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
I think I think that whole area is just one
big concrete suburb, right, But like Fort Worth is unique.
And then you got Dallas and that's.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
All I've been through the airport. That's about the size
of it. That's all I know about Dallas. Yeah, it's big.
With that, we check in with traffic and weather. What
is going on?

Speaker 9 (39:11):
Sam?

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Still shaking my head over the fact that you never
had a Halloween experience when you were a kid. Nothing,
no soaping windows, no.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
You know, It's like it's interesting as I I've come
to enjoy it now. You know, live in Wyoming and
we live in a you know, obviously a neighborhood where
so many kids come through. And sure, I'm getting to
the point now where I don't have to walk out
with my kids because they're old enough. Like so, I mean,
I mean, I'm excited about giving out cant like just

(39:41):
giving out the candies, sitting there and handing it out
and seeing all the kids that come up.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
And yeah, when I lived in Oakley, we it got
to be because you know, obviously you've got to know
everybody that lives around you and stuff. And everybody was
was young younger, and by that I mean they were
just starting families and stuff. So they they're coming around

(40:06):
with their three four year olds and uh and stuff,
and but they know you. And so the guys were
like and dev and I'd be sitting there. I was
made up a big pot of chili on Halloween and
we would sit there on the front porch, eat chili
and drink beers and whatnot. Well, then people started, the

(40:28):
dads especially would stop by the house because they knew.
They were like, hey, you got they know I'd give
them a beer in other words, a few road pops
and uh, that's Debut's did that was her duty. She
took the kids out. Yeah, I think I did it
one year when they were little. I walked around with
her because that's when h the and and anybody with

(40:51):
kids know its that it doesn't know a three year old,
it does them no good. To get a giant bag
of candy. So you take them out to like five
or six houses and get them a couple of candy bars.
They're gonna go yes, but it's when they get to
be about ten eleven that they want to be out.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
Man.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
If that thing starts at six o'clock and last until eight,
they're out at five point fifty nine point five nine yes,
and back at you know, seven fifty nine nine nine yes,
and they've gotten everything they can. And I told this
story before there a bunch of boys went out, they

(41:34):
were probably about eleven twelve, and they took an exchange
student from Italy out with them, and the kid had
never experienced a trigger treat. So I'm kind of hanging
back and watching what's going on. They're swapping, can't you
know how you do? I'll give you this racing cat
for you're yeah, for your payday or whatever, and so

(41:55):
this poor kid, I'm watching it and they're like going, hey,
I think his name is Luca, Hey, Luca, I'll give
you a I'll give you a what this piece of
candy corn for your pack of recent your recent cup there,
My kid's like okay. And that lasted for about three minutes.
I finally walked over to go guys, he to have

(42:17):
none of my wife correct the full sized Snickers bar
coming up. We're gonna be talking to our good friend
John Risbey, the patent professor. This involves Ohio State and Michigan.
This should be good after the news right now News
Radio seven hundred WLW. Yeah. Well, I'm here at Dancing

(42:41):
the Robots with my good friend Jason Williams, who is
in for Rocky today. Rock will be back on Monday.
Rock is a working game in James Madison tomorrow James
Madison Old Dominion. I had to ask you to get
more Virginia than that. Well that's when I asked them,
is like, buddy, I gotta tell you, I've always heard

(43:04):
of James Madison, but I don't have any I had
no idea where it's at, and he told me in
the mountains of Virginia. So in uh In other news,
this was, uh, look love me, respect me. Some Ohio
State Buckeyes, but the Ohio State needs to kind of

(43:27):
slow the roll a little bit.

Speaker 9 (43:29):
Man.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
They're a little tight assed, if you know what I
mean they are? Did you well you saw this story
that we're going to be talking about here. Ohio University
is suing a local bar in ann Arbury because they
have a beer out called buck Eye Tears. Now, why

(43:51):
let's talk to our good friend John Risby, the patent
professor about it. Now, John, are we over assessing the
fact that maybe Ohio State needs to just slow their
role and have a laugh about this? But man, these
guys are really protective of that trademark. They are, right, Hey, John,

(44:20):
Let's put you on hold for a second and see
if we can get a better connection with you. And
but yeah, these uh, this is a local bar in
ann Arbor. They've been selling this beer for a couple
of years and Ohio State has taking them to court
over it.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
It's actually pretty good. I mean, that's a pretty cool
name and very very creative. I think to name a
beer Buckeye Tears if you're an ann Arbor bar sports.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Bar, look at this is a storied rivalry. And let's
get back to John. Hey, hey, John, So anyways, good
to have you back now. But talk about how it
seems petty to me.

Speaker 10 (45:00):
Well, they got media or try to get mark for
the word, and I know you uh Ohio and were successful,
so you know, Ohioka.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Dollars.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Let's uh hey, John, let's put you on hold again there,
and uh see if we can't get that problem corrected.
But haven't. Isn't All State kind of known for stuff
like that? The whole the I want to say, was
there something kind of nuts?

Speaker 2 (45:38):
And you know colleges in general, especially big football schools,
and you know, they're very very corporate about this stuff
and very protective of their brand.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Well even sold here locally, was it? You see? Uh
you know there was some high school or youths.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, yeah, maybe middle school in Tennessee that was using
like the seat Paul or a version of the sea Paul.
But this has been within the last year year and
a half I think. And they they went, they went hard,
hard in the paint. See, that's what the thing I
was thinking about it. I couldn't remember what it was,
but it was a little school down in uh intention.

(46:18):
They have every right too, I mean, you know, trademark
and you got to protect the brand. And I'm sure
the mentality is all right, you let that one slide
and then the next thing you know, you got twenty
you got twenty different uh middle schools or high schools
or youth sports programs wanting to use that seatpoul And
in the same thing. Yeah, this one to me is

(46:39):
a little because it's a word, you know what I mean,
Like you have you have a trademark on the word Buckeye. Well,
the state of Ohio, whether you like Ohio state or not, correct,
is the Buckeye state?

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Like, well, that's that's kind of the point. It's like
suing I don't know, suing the Commonwealth and Commonwealth Kentucky
because they call themselves commonwealth and you know you're from
like Ireland or something, whatever the case might. Right, But
let's get back to John Risby. Hey, John, I think

(47:12):
we have you this time.

Speaker 8 (47:14):
Yes, hopefully that much better.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
So.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
So, John, is it way were we started to talk about?
There is this petty or do you really have to
kind of defend your brand? Uh, regardless of how petty
it seems.

Speaker 10 (47:32):
Yeah, well you have to under trademark law because if
you don't, the trademark could be seen as as abandoned.

Speaker 8 (47:40):
And uh lack all kinds.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
Of So we do have to.

Speaker 10 (47:47):
Uh So they have no choice, but they do have
a choice on what they what they filed for trademarks
on They've received a lot of pushback on some of
the trademarks they filed for, but in this case that
not filing.

Speaker 8 (48:01):
They just believe that this mark is diluting their brain and.

Speaker 10 (48:08):
Perhaps, you know, because it's of alcohol, they may not
want an associate of buckeye with alcohol, and it's like
that's part of That's one of the arguments that they
make is that it's because it's the university, they do
not want that association, So that could be part of it.
But it's a pretty good defense I think that the

(48:29):
bar has and that's parody. And the ultimate test and
trademark case is consumer confusion, and their argument is nobody
would legitimately think that this university is going to be
making fun of themselves by selling this.

Speaker 8 (48:47):
Feer, so they're not.

Speaker 10 (48:48):
People are going to see through this and see it
as a play on words and as a joke.

Speaker 8 (48:55):
Not take it as that series.

Speaker 10 (48:56):
That's their argument that they should be parody, and parody
sends accessful in a lot of trademark cases in the
past as a defense.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Well, and we're talking to John Risby, the patent professor,
and John, one of the things that Jason and I
were talking about earlier is I mean the Ohio, Ohio
is the Buckeye state, so that's the that's the official
kind of nickname of the state. Not necessarily they are
the Ohio state buck guys, of course, but Ohio. But

(49:27):
Ohio is the Buckeye state, and that's the reason they
are named the buck Guys, not the other way around.

Speaker 8 (49:33):
It is and the buck eye is and it's named
after a tree.

Speaker 10 (49:37):
And there's thousands and thousands of businesses with buck Eye.
But that's uh, that's one uh defenses as well, which
I think is a strong defense. But I think the
strong that that consumers are not and that it's a
parody a dog toy that sold a bad and they

(49:58):
were sued by Jack Dan for the.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
Frame market.

Speaker 8 (50:03):
The court held that.

Speaker 10 (50:06):
In that case, the court held that the brain used consumers.
But there's other cases where the court said that consumers
are going to know that and are not going to
take one product with another. Another case, the company or
the quoting line. There was a student that created a

(50:27):
brand called South but and UH there was sued for infringement.
The court the Kicks actually settled, so we don't know
how the court would have decided. But again that would
be a really strong argument. Nobody is going to or
fake has creaked separate clothing line.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Out.

Speaker 8 (50:48):
But so the case is that the another case for
Charbucks coffee or upheld that uh of the coffee.

Speaker 10 (50:56):
Uh rose could it was a play on a Starbucks
dark roast that we want to burn. The court allowed
the mark or sorry rejected Starbucks is due for claiming
that consumers were not so uh, you know, we stand

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to see what ultimately happened here, but there's going to
be a settlement.

Speaker 9 (51:21):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (51:22):
That's for us intellectual property attorneys. Those are discouraging because
now we don't know how courts are going to decide
if it's settled. You really don't have present. But if
it's a small local bar, it is known as brown Jug.
Uh bow out, take and stop the buck up. Uh

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and then we'll court were.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Well and and uh and thank you John. We're again
having some technical difficulties here. We really appreciate it. As always.
People want to find out more, they can go to
the patent professor dot com. And all as far as
I'm concerned, all these folks have done is give this
the little bar, the Brown Jug five billion dollars worth

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of free advertising. You know, I say, cheers the Buckeye
Tears and the Brown jug. I want to I'm gonna,
I want to seek out a bug Eye tears now,
just to satisfy my own curiosity and your palette and
my palette. With that, we check in with traffic and weather.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
What is going on?

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Back on the Eddie and Rocky Show, rockout today. He'll
be back on Monday. I'm working with the why good
friend Jason Williams from The Inquirer Cincinnati dot com. And
you were there last night, Jace, did you experience the
new Joe Flacco emo?

Speaker 4 (52:56):
Look the what.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
I saw it? I'm just I'm actually reading Cincinnati dot
com right now. We're just scrolling through there. And I
saw him last night, and I was like, what looks
what looks there's sort a picture of what looks different
about He's just got his hairs all kind of he
looks all Joe Joe Burrow. Joe Yeah, Joe Burrows, Joe Burrow. Yeah, yeah,

(53:26):
I'm sorry, Yeah, yeah I did.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
And I'm like, they were, Yeah, you can't see him
too well from up the press box other than just
you just see him down the sideline.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
But then the the photos and the video. You're like,
and I know people on Twitter are like, he looks
depressed and his hair was all disheveled, and.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Well, that's what I'm saying. If you have to look up,
you can look up the pictures obviously, and uh, he
just you know, it was always kind of styled and
slicked back a little bit and stuff like that. Now
he just kind of it's kind of why he looks
like he's in uh uh you know, like I said,
a boy band or right that, or.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
He's just been playing video games in his basement for
the last Yeah, it just looks.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Like for the last three months. And has it come
out to get a haircut or do anything? Now, let
me ask you because we talked earlier with Richard Skinner
and we're gonna be talking to Pat Brunning from the inquiry, yeah,
coming up. But when we were talking to Skinny earlier,
we talked about the possibility of, Okay, let's say Flacco

(54:32):
goes on a real role here and and these guys
actually get back into contention by the middle of December.
But it's if he do you bring back Burrow or
do you let him Flacco goes stay on his role.
But I think I know every the obviously answer is
to bring back Burrow. But that was what Skinny said. Yeah,

(54:55):
but you and I talked about the fact that, hey,
if it's if it's if he best, you know, and
and he's and Flacco's doing well whatever, you know, he's
two games over five hundred, whatever case might be coming
up here, do you just continue to play out the
season with him or do you bring bro back?

Speaker 2 (55:18):
I honestly, goodness don't know because I I and here's
my answer to this.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
This is a punt.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
This is a punt better than Ryan Ricco can punt.
Let's maybe let's give a couple of games here, Let's
let's let's see.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
How it goes.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
See if they can get the five hundred and then
maybe get above five hundred, and then.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
All right, let's see all place from there. We've got
a place from there, Well, we got the Jets suck. Now,
it seems to me the Bears have been playing pretty
well lately. Yeah, four and two, Yeah, so they and
then it's the bye week, but then you're coming back.

(55:59):
You then it's Steelers Ravens blah blah blah, and uh
and on down the road. So that's when the true
test is going to come. Yes, you know you look
at the schedule. Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
The Jets, all the Jets, like they've had some really
close games and you're kind of like the it's the NFL,
and it's like it feels like that could be a
little dangerous one. And you know, obviously whatever, the Jets
have a game this Sunday when when you're the Bengals,
nothing's a gimmy with that defense obviously, and you know,

(56:35):
whether it's the Jets, but to play they play the
Panthers this weekend, who are better? Yeah, yeah, you want
to sit here and say, oh they oh w and
six Jets, like all right, okay, they're going to get
to five amatic. I mean, it's the NFL and you're
the Bengals with that defense, Like I you know, you

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can never get over confident. Now if I don't know,
Joe Burrow was here and this is a home game
and they're kind of doing their usual kick things in
the gear about this time, like all right, yeah, we
marked that one down as a surefire win.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Well, and we also talked earlier last night. The player
who didn't have a good night was Jake Browning come
out there and see what I mean, this forty year
old guy with the quality receivers that he has on
the button all night long. He rose for over three forty.

(57:34):
That's a big night. I don't give a damn who
you are at quarterback.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
It certainly I mean, yeah, I mean, it's the game,
and I'm sure Jake Browning understands that. But it probably
has to make him feel like where does he go
from here? You know, because two years ago he's thinking
like maybe I could be a starting quarterback in this league.
I mean, remember he really turned it up there when
Burrow got hurt in Baltimore. But now like he's probably

(58:01):
gone from that to now thinking like, am I even
going to be able to, you know, stick in this
league as even a backup quarterback or maybe even a
number three.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Guy on a prime saying squad, Yeah, carrying the clipboard guy.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Uh? With that.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
We check in with the News News Radio seven hundred
w l W after the it's it's so it's so
weird to come into work on a Friday after a
Bengals game last night. Yeah, it is. I mean I'm
pretty tired.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
I didn't get out of didn't get home to about
two thirty, listen to Austin on the way home. I
click it on. I'm like, there's Austin talking to Dick
from Dayton. He was talking from Dayton, and I was like, man, like,
write at like two ten to twelve. I like, what
you want to be doing at two o'clock on a
Friday morning. And I bet you this guy was probably

(58:56):
spending some late hours too.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
Yes he was.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
He We all walked out of the stadium together. Pad
Brennan from the Inquire Cincinnati dot Com. So, Pat, you know,
we've been talking on and off obviously about the game today.
Your thoughts on what you saw last night? This team
looks to be re energized.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
I completely agree, and thanks for having me on first
of all, But.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
I saw.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
What I saw last night was really.

Speaker 11 (59:31):
Obviously mostly on offense, was really a carryover from what
we saw in the second half from the Bengals at
lambeau Field earlier this week on Sunday, and I thought,
the best case scenario, on a short week, forty year

(59:51):
old Joe Flacco might be able to pick up where
he left off on Sunday, which was still, you know,
clearly not doing anything special, but just being efficient and
effective in the offense.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Well, it looks like on top of taking care of
his body.

Speaker 11 (01:00:10):
Which is gonna be I would think the main concern
for someone his age, he was able.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
It looked like they were able to, you know, take
a few steps forward with the game planning.

Speaker 11 (01:00:24):
And look, I mean I saw a stat last night
that Joe Flacco through had a three touchdown game against
the Steelers for the first time since twenty eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Wow.

Speaker 11 (01:00:38):
I mean that's reaching back into I mean, that's partly
a commentary on how old this guy is and how
long he's been around in the league, which is remarkable,
But that's reaching back into vintage Joe Flacco territory, you know.
So it was a continuation of what we saw at

(01:00:59):
Green Bay that was not an anomaly, and.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
That should be at the very least, that should be
interesting and intriguing for this team going forward.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Guys, Yeah, Pat, what do you make of the locker
room and how the locker room has, you know, just
sort of their viewpoint on on the move of Joe
Flacco And I know what we saw on the field
last night, but are you are you sensing that that
locker room feels re energized, and that you know, they like, hey,

(01:01:32):
the front office went out and did something they rarely
do season trade. Are you are you sensing that you're
picking that up? You're in that open locker room, you
know during the week, you and Kelsey Conway from the Lands.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Yeah, what do you make of that?

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
Well, you know a couple of things in Green Bay.

Speaker 11 (01:01:49):
Everyone said and did the right things in the locker
room after a loss. You know, you cannot be jumping
for joy about signs of promise in defeat.

Speaker 12 (01:02:01):
So everyone everyone looked, and you know, everyone looked like
they were supposed to after a loss, said the things
you say after a loss, you know, professional professional ball.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Players doing their thing after defeat. But I noticed a quiet,
subdued but a quiet.

Speaker 11 (01:02:21):
Confidence and kind of a knowledge that, like, hey, what
what Joe Flacco got going there late in the first
half and throughout the second half was real, and we
believe in it, and we're impressed by it, and we
think this has staying power.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
That's what I got from the locker room at Lambeau.

Speaker 11 (01:02:47):
And actually, by the time we got in the locker
room last night, I a little disappointed.

Speaker 4 (01:02:51):
A bunch of the guys that jetted off for the night.

Speaker 11 (01:02:53):
Obviously we spoke to the principles, you know, Jamar Chases
and Joe Flacco himself, but a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
The other guys had taken off, but it was after
midnight at that point.

Speaker 11 (01:03:05):
But yeah, I think there Joe Flacco has probably walked
in with a certain amount of respect being a former
Super Bowl MVP. But I think Flacco has really grabbed
the attention of what is a comparatively young locker room,

(01:03:28):
you know, compared to him.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
I think they believe in this guy. I think they
believe in him a whole lot.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Yeah, and that's what I was going to ask you that, Pat,
Do you get the impression the that the look the
guy's career speaks for himself. He's a future Hall of Famer,
There's no question about that. I mean, is it a
certain amount of I don't know, it's not awe Is
that too strong of a word. I mean, are they
just like, okay, cool, we and no disrespect to Jake Browning,

(01:03:59):
but you got this guy coming in his career, as
I said, speaks for himself. So you got to go, Okay,
look now we're doing something. We're back on track to
maybe turn this thing around you get that impression.

Speaker 7 (01:04:12):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
Actually, I don't think awe is too strong of a word.

Speaker 11 (01:04:18):
Jamar Chase used the word aw to describe his reaction
to the Browns making the trade.

Speaker 4 (01:04:26):
Within the division.

Speaker 11 (01:04:27):
Now, obviously that's a little bit of a different subject
because it's not talking about Flacco's performances themselves. But awe
is a word that's in the conversation for sure, Eddie,
And I think, I mean, I don't. Maybe these guys
didn't know what to expect. Obviously there was a general
awareness of the run he went on with Cleveland a

(01:04:48):
couple of years ago, but can he really do it
again at age forty. I think what has happened is
everyone is looking at Joe Flacco, the way he takes
care of his body, either way he handles his business,
his appreciation for this moment in his career, and I
think all these guys are realizing, Hey, this guy can

(01:05:10):
still make me better.

Speaker 4 (01:05:12):
This guy.

Speaker 11 (01:05:14):
I can learn something from this guy. And frankly, I
hope Joe Burrow is taking at least.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
A few notes.

Speaker 11 (01:05:21):
No one's saying, you know, this guy's not going to
supplant Joe Burrow long term and anything crazy like that.
But there's a lot a lot of players in that
locker room can glean from this guy. So I think
they're impressed. I think they are comfortable and confident with
Joe Flacco leading this team at the quarterback position. And

(01:05:44):
I go back to a kind of a baseball thing
at the trade deadline, when a GM makes a move
or you know baseball operations, people make a move for
a team that can energize a locker room, or if
you're selling at the trade deadline or you know, offloading guys,
I can really bring a locker room down. I think

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just the act of making the trade for an experienced
veteran quarterback by Duke Tobin and company, I think that
may have had the same kind of effect.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
It was like saying, hey, we recognize this.

Speaker 11 (01:06:20):
Isn't going as well as we thought it would with
Jake Brown, even though he had good history here. We're
gonna make a change. This season is not a throwaway.
And I think they pulled it off in time to
where this season doesn't have.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
To be a throwaway. They're up against it. They're three
and four long road back to really truly, truly, truly.

Speaker 11 (01:06:40):
Get in contention, but they're right there in the division
as we sit today, As we sit here today, and.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
There's a lot to be there's a lot to be
excited about here. I think, I really do.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Yeah, the way the guys, the way I see this
as like, savor the moment. I mean, that was just
an incredible game when you think about that, that moment itself,
the moment of Joe Flacco forty years old and the
story of that, then the moment of the fact that
the Bengals went out and traded for this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
And I know we all that's what we do.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
We want to sit here and say, oh, can this
guy get it? Can this guy get the Bengals to
the playoffs?

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
Can he?

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Can he win the next you know, three games in
a row?

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
Can he do?

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
You know, can can he bridge the gap to Joe
Burrow and then they can go to the you know,
maybe get on that Super Bowl run? Like yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
And I know that's you know, that's fans, that that's media,
that's what we all want to talk about. But I
don't know, man, Like you sit here and you think
about last night, like, let's just sort of savor this
for the weekend. Right, and the fact that that was

(01:07:43):
even on the other side of the ball too, Uh,
you know, Aaron Rodgers over forty years old, and uh,
that was just we don't we don't. We don't get
to see that a lot. We don't get to see
ye just I mean, I know, I know we did
see some we saw some high scoring games here last year.
But the fact that the Bengals can walk out with
the win and it allows Bengals fans and Zach Taylor said,

(01:08:06):
you know, you know, we want guys, we want fans
back in the stands. We want to give them hope.
And I'm paraphrasing him, but just all that stuff just
in the moment of right now, and you know, not
getting too far ahead of looking at you know, can
they can they beat Baltimore twice?

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Can they you know, go into Buffalo and win? And
can Joe Flacco do that? And you know, you know,
this is just fun right now in the moment. Sure,
We're talking to Pat Brennan from The Inquirer Cincinnati dot
com and Pat, let's put on your other hat FC
tomorrow tomorrow night here in in town. How are we

(01:08:44):
looking what's going on with the playoffs and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
Oh uh, the well, FC Cincinnati. Look, they've had a
about another really strong regular season. There playoff position is
more or less set.

Speaker 11 (01:09:03):
They could end up finishing and I think second or
third near the top of the Eastern Conference.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
They're a top contender in MLS and in the East.

Speaker 11 (01:09:12):
And tomorrow there now the playoff field is set, the
final seedings are not. So all the games will go
off tomorrow at the same time and we'll learn at
about the same time, you know, about two hours after
kickoff tomorrow when or who who I should say FC

(01:09:35):
Cincinnati will face in the first round. And after they
kind of crashed out of the playoffs in the first
round last year, this has showed me time for f
C Cincinnati. You know, they went for the regular season
championship again this year, had a good run at it
fell short. You know, I think they've flushed that and

(01:09:58):
now it's time to go on a run. This team
spends a lot of money comparatively speaking in it's peer group.
It's one of the most ambitious teams in an MLS
and with that, with the investment that comes with that,
you need performance in the playoffs, so they'll know what
the what the road through the playoffs, looks like by

(01:10:21):
tomorrow night, and I'll be really interested to see, with
everything they've done to make this team to try to
achieve greatness with the personnel, if they can actually put
it together, because I think there was some a lot
of disappointment in the fan base last year with that

(01:10:43):
early playoff exit.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
All right, with that, Pat Brennan, we will let you go, buddy,
Thanks so much.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
Okay, thanks for having me, Guys.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Brennan from the Inquirer Cincinnati dot com. And also the
Cyclones kicking off the season tomorrow, facing off the season.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
On and I know they're a minor league team and
like you know, you don't they don't get you know,
regular media coverage or whatever. But if you ever get changed,
like you're looking for something to do on a Saturday night,
absolutely go to Cyclic. My son and I went last week.
It was a lot of fun. It's just so entertaining
and it's it's fun and it's energetic and it's well

(01:11:27):
and it's you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Know, look, I'm not gonna pretend I'm a giant hockey fan,
even though I when I watch it, I enjoy it. Yeah,
one of them. I've been to two I think two
NHL games and that was two of the best times
I've ever had going to a sporting event, just because
the crowd is so into it and it's crazy and
people just the guys are tearing their each other's heads off,

(01:11:51):
and just the finesse watching them, you know, when when up,
when they're setting up, you can see them setting up
a play and when it works, it's like it's crazy good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
And it's obviously unique, unique sport, and you know, you're
the fact that these guys can just skate so well
alone is a is an incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Skill in itself. With that, let's check in with traffic
and weather, what is going on.