Eddie & Jason Williams -- 11/5/25

Eddie and Jason talk with Steve Goodin and Lisa Miller about the Cincinnati election results. They talk with Frank Marzullo and ABC's Alex Stone about the UPS Plane Crash and Louisville and Bill Cunningham stops by for Wednesday's with Willie.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right back on the Eddie and Rocky Show, Rockhount
one more Day. Jason Williams from The Inquire at Cincinnati
dot com. It's with me and Jace big alexing yesterday
and a lot of chatter going on as far as
what happened what not. Well here in town. I don't
think it was a big surprise, honestly.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Or what didn't happen the status quo at the city.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Uh and nationwide, We'll get into that in a little bit.
But it didn't. That's why it wasn't surprising to me.
But I did feel like something was going to change,
but not a thing changed really, No.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
I you know, I thought I thought our guests coming
up here had a shot to get on on council.
Him Steve Gooden is our guest coming up and uh,
you know, Christopher Smith aman is keating Laketa Cole. You
felt like those those folks had a shot to at
least get a couple of seats on the count But.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, no, go, well, let's get our guests on right now.
Steve good and Steve you had my vote, but things
didn't work out.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
There was an election yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
I met that.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
I I that's my official stance, I'm denying any participation
in that boondoggle. So yeah, how are you, gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Good to have you your thoughts on what have you heard?
Jason and I talking there, you thought there might be
some big change coming, but they maintained the city, maintained
status quo more or less.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Well, you know, we could tell by about two o'clock
yesterday that it was going to be a wipeout for
the non incumbents. I mean, we we saw what was
happening very clearly, and it was this is that in
this environment, nationally, every election is now a mid term election.
You know, typically it would always be you have your
you know, the national election the party out of power

(01:58):
has the edge, and the Congress elections in the odd years.
But these Democrats locally, very very smartly messaged about Trump
to their base and motivated their base. So, you know,
we had some polling data that really suggested, as Jason said,
that I had a real chance that Smith Haman had
a chance cole keating, you know, and these are all

(02:20):
we're all people who had been on council before and
we thought, you know, it looked good and the issues
were in our favor, particularly with public safety, crime and
some of the you know, related neighborhood issues. But at
the end of the day, there was another blue wave.
You saw it not only in the city, you saw
it in the townships. You saw it in the judicial races.

(02:40):
Everything was a democratic wife out. The messaging was all
about affordability, anti Trumps, keep MAGA away, and unfortunately, having
Corey Bowman on the ballot, I think, you know, gave
them an opening there at least theoretically to talk about
that stuff. So it was yet another local election that
was totally nationalized. And we could tell, you know, at

(03:03):
the polls we were working yesterday, by midday, you know,
people coming in with the blue ballot. Only oh my god,
their people are out all these you know texts and
mailers about how, you know, we're going to stand up,
you know, against Donald Trump at city Hall, which is
of course, you know, nonsense, because it's no say over

(03:23):
those federal issues. But you could tell that those those
messages had reached that very low you know, voter turnout
and there was really nothing that was going to stop it.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
See that That's a great summation of things, and I
find it very fascinating and potentially I guess this is
the This is a classic textbook example of one party
rule here and especially in I think the Trump era,
whether that's one party rule on the red side or

(03:53):
one party rule on the blue side. Because I think
if you were to ask most of those people who
voted to put AFT and this nine, these nine council
folks back in the office, the Democratic slate, I think
they would all say that they're against crime, which is
really the number one issue or should have been the
number one issue in this election. And yet that kinda uh,

(04:16):
you know, that message that MAGA is invading Cincinnati overrides
what what's really most important? I think to well, I
don't think, I know to most of those voters are
all those voters and that's what their streets are. Still,
I find that very fascinating. Is that going to you go.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Oh no, no, I mean I'm here. I mean my
take on it's pretty simple. But we had we had
twenty nine percent turnout, so that means one in fewer
than one in three eligible voters you know, actually came
to the polls yesterday. I do not think it is
really representative of what the average Cincinnati and thinks. Uh,
it's an what they call an off off your election,
you know, local races only. So a lot of the

(04:58):
folks that showed up were more you know, motivated, activist,
and partisan than what we've seen in past years, and
they fired up their base. I mean, I really think,
you know, the polling data that we show reflects what
you hear in conversations at coffee shops and restaurants, which
is that people have horrified about the city's reaction to crime.

(05:20):
So I don't think the mayor or this council has
any big mandate, even though they won, you know, by
big percentages. But when you look at who actually showed up,
you know, I don't really think it's truly representative in
the city at all. And that's the unfortunate piece of
all that. So you know, what you're saying is, you
know what what you hear and who you know is accurate,

(05:43):
But in terms of who actually showed up, you know,
that's a different story. As the really motivated partisans came
out yesterday on both sides.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
We're talking to Steve Good and Steve Jason and I
were talking about this yesterday, and I'll tell you the
way I view it is the people who vote in
the city, who vote for the city election, the mayor
and such, but who live in the near suburbs and
you know, the Hyde Parks, the Oakley's and the near

(06:13):
west Side and all that stuff. I don't think that
the crime thing resonates with them. I think they know what.
They look at the videos, they see stuff happening. They're like, oh,
that sucks, we have to do something about that. But
you know what, they don't live there, so it really
doesn't hit home for him. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (06:32):
No, I think it's absolutely accurate. I mean, I spent
most of my day yesterday in different pulling locations in
the Hyde Park and Oakley area, and you know, there
are some folks there who are very concerned. They have
had some property. Property crimes are up in those neighborhoods.
Car break ins are up. But look at unless you
live downtown or spend a lot of time downtown, as

(06:54):
I do. I live in Clifton, but I'm downtown every
day for my job. You know, then you see it.
Then you know what's happening, and you know what's going on.
You know, you smell the pot smoke in the air,
you hear the occasional gunfire, you see people running, you
see the weird stuff you're going on at the bus
stops and so forth. You you know, you you see
the reports of shootings and thank god, I was just

(07:15):
at that intersection last night. I was stopped there and
someone got shot and killed. You have to be in
that mix a little bit. See, you're right, there is
a disconnect I think for some city residents, and those
are the folks really you know, it's in Hyde Park.
Almost all of those precincts voted, you know the majority
of the people who showed up there did vote the
sleep back in.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yeah, I found I saw some of those early numbers
on that. And when I saw that Liz Keating who
the Keating name, and Hyde Park and that's where she
lives and obviously with her family legacy of Hyde Park,
and that she still wasn't even up there, I was like, oh.
And then I, you know, saw that, and I was like,
that's not good for Steve and Christopher and you know,

(07:58):
the non endorse Democrats. Steve, I want to ask you
this kind of going just east a little bit, but
staying in Hamilton County where Democrats one majority or now
have now taken over the the Anderson Board of Trustees.
So uh, you know, you always think you always, for

(08:20):
years and years and years, thought of Anderson as a
as a pretty Republican stronghold, even as the city has
gone blue and other pockets of the city of Hamilton County.
But Anderson Township, what in the bigger picture, what do
you make of that? And is that is it? Is
it the anti Trump vote or is that here to

(08:40):
stay that Anderson Township is now officially blue?

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Right? Well, Anderson Township is a tough one to call.
And I have a lot of friends there, and I'll
tell you that, you know, Josh Gerse and LEXI lost
through just two great public servants and great people who
you know, So that that one kind of made me,
you know that that one made me a little sick
to my stomach because you know, I, like I said
midday yesterday, I knew I was losing when I saw

(09:06):
those blue slates, But I never thought that a place
like Anderson would switch. But you know, they've got two
things going out there though. I mean I mean that
that group, I mean the blue The blue waves started
to become evident in twenty two and twenty three, when
you had the h the abortion rights thing on the ballot.
You saw that that energized a lot of Democrats in

(09:27):
that area who hadn't previously been energized. And they have
had two incredibly contentious school board races out there in
the Foresail School district that had really, I think, I
think really has had impacted what's going on there. Most
of the people I know that lived there, you know,
they were more motivated to come out about the school

(09:47):
board than they were about the township trustee races. And
I think Josh and Lexie were kind of collateral damage there.
So we'll see if that holds. But you know, Innerson
Township is getting younger and and you know, and as
a result of that, is getting a bit bluer just
through you know, demographics and the nature of things. But

(10:08):
they do have some unique neighborhood kind of issues there
in Anderson Township that clearly came to Barry yesterday.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
All right with that, Steve, will we let you go?
Thanks so much for joining us. Man get him next time.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
What can we say?

Speaker 3 (10:25):
All right, it's good, thank you You interrupted my my crying,
and I know I know you're making that up.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Man, get back to your bottle of whiskey and you're
and you're crying, Steve. We appreciate it, Steve anytime, take
care of But Steve a good, good guy, smart guy.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, he's great. Uh, one of those guys that you've
you want to talk local politics, that that's a go
to guy right there. And and and I know he
does a lot of Mike Allen Show on legal analysis
as well with his work and longtime lawyer in town.
And yeah, I like Steve a lot with that. We
check in with traffic and weather, what is going on?

Speaker 1 (11:12):
All right, back with Eddie and Jason in for Rocky Today.
Coming up, we're gonna be talking to our good friend
Frank Morzulo from well Now from w CPO ninew. It
was funny because I was going to see if he
was on the morning show. He is on the nine
morning show now, but I started to uh to watch

(11:35):
just because I wasn't sure when all those morning shows
go off and stuff. So because I wanted to contact him,
and I started to in my TV remote. I started
to do nineteen. I was like, ah, but yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Dropped the one. Now he's now at nine. But yeah,
he's he's uh, he's doing great man. Oh yeah, did
he just go to Was he in New York for
the he went Today show for the Good Morning?

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:05):
There were inniverse whatever it is. Yeah, and uh so
we can ask him about that. But more importantly, we're
going to ask him he was sent down to Louisville,
uh early this morning to see what was going on
down there and cover that awful story. Is he still
down there? We'll be talking to us from down there.
I am not sure about that. I think he was

(12:26):
coming back. Yeah, but I know he did the whole
morning show down there. What an awful story. Yeah, so sad.
And I was telling Jason that a very good friend
of mine and Debs is a we used to be
is he's a retired pilot for UPS who flew out
of Louisville. That was his base and that was my

(12:50):
first thought was of him, but he he had retired.
But the thing was yesterday was the two year anniversary
of him retiring. That could very well have been him.
And he's flown that route before, it didn't you say?
Oh yeah, yeah, he blew them all. You just I
from what I gather. You you show up, they tell
you where you're going in off offio. Right, Yeah, and

(13:13):
that's one of our major cargo. Well I think I
heard number three in America, giant and it's a huge
part of the culture of Louisville and the economy there,
huge source of pride ups being based there, and it's
just sad for sad for those who were lost, in
the families of those who were lost, and then just
the greater impact of the community.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
We'll be talking to Frank Marzoula about it, but that's
after our news right now. News Radio seven hundred WLW
They Rock is back tomorrow and jaceon we were just
talking about the unfortunate situation down on Louisville. Yeah, last
well it was last night, and we have a guy

(13:56):
who was there on the scene early this morning and
we have him now, Frank marzul O w CPO nine
News And uh, Frankie, what what what time do you
get down there this morning?

Speaker 4 (14:08):
Bro? Gosh? Then we get we got down there like
four thirty.

Speaker 5 (14:14):
It was yeah, I mean, compared everything else going on,
it wasn't it wasn't off one, but yeah, we got
down about four thirty this morning. But yeah, as soon
as you saw that video yesterday, just thinking to yourself. Wow,
see you see your plane crash, and I think, okay,
maybe it was just like a little tiny small plane
with that dead smoke, and the whole the whole issue
with the whole thing was the fact that you know,

(14:35):
the aircraft's large aircraft had two hundred and eighty was
it two hundred and eighty.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Thousand pounds of fuel? Want it?

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (14:42):
And it crashes into a petroleum recycling facility. So you
add that on top of that. It's not as if
it's just you know, which would be awful anyway in
a field somewhere. I mean, you're you're crashing in the
buildings and you got folks on the on the ground killed.

Speaker 4 (14:57):
Last check and you.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
Can update me on this to take a look at
a nap this afternoon, last check was a nine dead.
I haven't looked at my phone here yet to see
if that increased, but I know there was still like
sixteen people missing.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
And where where was that? I had not heard where
that flight was heading?

Speaker 5 (15:15):
Uh right, Honolulu, Honolulu to Honolulu. Yeah, so eight and
a half hour flight. Three person crew, you know, co pilot, pilot, uh,
either a relief pilot or maybe an engineer. This was
an MD eleven and it's a thirty four year old aircraft.
And actually UPS is slowly changing these aircraft out. They

(15:36):
have about twenty four in service right now. It's it's
those big the eighties nineties passengers jet wise, they were
pretty big. They had the you know, the the engine
on the tail, two engines, one of the wing. Pretty
pretty large aircraft. But they did phase them out of
passenger of service. This one in particular came the UPS
like in two thousand and six. So it's a it's

(15:59):
a workhorse of the cargo industry, absolutely, But.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah, it went down one and it was one hundred
and seventy five feet.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
In the air when it went down, and the video
does show a a engine on the left side that
was on fire. Now, I talked with Jay ratlift or
aviation expert a little then he said, you know, don't
automatically jump to conclusions that it was an engine malfunction,
because sometimes you have And again, this is what the

(16:31):
NTSB folks. There's twenty eight of them on the ground
right now. That's what they're going to look at. They're
gonna look at all sorts of scenarios. One scenario could
be was there debris on a runway. Remember that Concord
plane crash like in two thousand when it was taking
off something ingested into the engine that you know, that's
that's a possibility. Something gets it into the engine. And
when you're lifting off right there, you don't have any

(16:55):
room to correct the problem. If you're up thirty thousand feet,
something goes wrong. Okay, you've got you know, okay, clearly
some airspace. Let me figure out what's going on here?
Did the problem solve it? That's why takeoff is so critical.
You're only one hundred and seventy five feet up the ground.
Something goes wrong, you don't have a lot of chance
to correct that, especially when you're taking off.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
And as far as buildings around which you hear in Louisville,
there was.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Frank Eddie and were talking earlier about how big ups
is in Louisville, and you know what was this? What
was the scene like there?

Speaker 3 (17:27):
For you?

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Were you able to talk? Sorry the old Knight Allen
me didn't get a chance to catch you this morning,
but did you did you get a chance to talk
to people about just the overall gravity of the situation
and also just kind of what what this all means
for a place like Louisville, because this is a huge
part of their community that the company.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
Oh absolutely here.

Speaker 5 (17:47):
You heard from officials yesterday who talked about the fact.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
That, you know, Ben, these are city officials.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
They have relatives. Everybody impacted. Somebody has a relative that's
working there. Somebody knows Uncle Jim as his friend. You know,
carol it. You know, you just farm members out there.
But you get the idea there. We were able to
really we didn't really speak to folks. We were at
the actual airport, so looking out towards the runway, it
was like runway seventeen R. That whole area has been

(18:15):
quatered off, So we didn't get to talk to people there,
but you do get a sense inside the airport of.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Folks knowing what's happening, what's going on.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
It's a one city block of the search area that's
being affected right now. So that's pretty large area, and
that's where the victims search has been going on, so
large area. The shelter and place order was canceled for
the most part, just maybe like a quarter of a

(18:43):
mile left. So all in all, it's a very large area.
And you see that from all that video that came
in and the fire, I mean it looked like a
you know, the saying it's cliche with.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Like mom went off there.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, it looked like something out of a movie. I mean,
did you were all the fires out by the time
you got there this morning? Or were those stools they were?

Speaker 3 (19:04):
They were?

Speaker 5 (19:04):
And then when the sun came up, I mean, two
hundred eighty thousand pounds of jet fuel and a petroleum facillity,
you're gonna get hotspots.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
So we did a.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Few little bursts of smoke that would come up from
time to time.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
But besides that, yeah, that the main fires were out.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
So Frank is as far as this stuff goes, I
think a lot of people the first the first thing
they're going to think of is okay, air traffic control,
everything that's going on with that. But at this but
at this stage of the game, it's been proven that
basically was a physical malfunction.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
I mean, I it's not an official telling you that.
Let's just use some common sense.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah sure, Yeah. From the sound the cameras, yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
Yeah, I meant the end, there was there was a
fire going on right there, So I think they had
nothing to do with air traffic control.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
There was obviously a fire going.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
And another thing to look at too, these cargo planes
and a and you know, again common sense looking at
this maybe not so much in this case. But you know,
this is another thing I was talking to Jay about
that a lot of these cargo planes, you have special
parameters about securing cargo. So you know, if you're taking off,
you're an errand and things start aren't secured properly, you'd
get imbalance issues.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Right.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
That doesn't look to be the case here because the
engine was not a fire. And again this is just
it's not speculations. This is all questions that NTSB investigators
are going to ask themselves.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Right as they go. As they go forward. Here you
have situations like that.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
The pilot and this particular one from reports that I
have seen, was one of the original up He's been
with ups Air since they started, like in nineteen eighty eight.
So this guy's a female or male, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Particularly sure, but just from the report I was saying.

Speaker 5 (20:49):
I will say that UPS had this is a third
deadly crash that they've had in their history. One was
in twenty ten back in Dubai, but the or a
recent one was twenty thirteen. It was a flight that
took off Louisville and crashed just before landing in Birmingham, Alabama,
early in the morning. And you know, crew was killed
there as well. But yeah, just really sat all all

(21:12):
the way around it, and the airport didn't open until
seven am this morning.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
They had one one runway that is open right now.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Of the of the nine of the nine dead, how
many have they said how many people were on the
ground and then and how many were in the plane?

Speaker 4 (21:28):
We know three on the plane's right. Three yes, three
crew on the plane.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
Again, that was it was a It was going up Honolulu,
fully fueled up, and that's about eight and a.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
Half hour flight.

Speaker 5 (21:39):
So yeah, but yeah, there was a lot of fuel
and then you combine that with the and again, I
just this is, you know, if you and I were
having a conversation around this, thinking was a patrolling a
patrol a petroleum recycling.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Facility next to a runway, I don't know. I mean
that it's so weird to me.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
Yeah, I mean, they haven't had an accent there for
as long as it's been there. I'm just saying, you know,
just water cooler talk that we were probably sure right now.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Like that at SO and Frank.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
One of the things that I heard, I don't know
if you if you heard this or not, but there
was besides that whatever it was office park or whatever
right there as part of that petroleum recycling place you're
talking about, there was a restaurant of some nature and
that yeah, that did not get hit.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
It's I think it was called Stooges.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
I was doing some yeah, Stooge and I just saw
on their Facebook pages. So their staff, everybody's fine. They
were able to get andy, get payroll checks for people
and stuff. But oh, yeah, there was a restaurant right there. Yeah, absolutely,
autoparts store that and the one video the guy sitting
in his truck right he is that he has a
camera on him and a camera on the back and
some sort of service truck of from auto part anyway,

(22:54):
and you see the plane and it's just it's you
see it tilting and it crashes right behind the guy
and then you get his reaction on it. I mean, wow,
that had to be startling and startling for the people
too that are in the airport, you know.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
I just was at that airport.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
We were coming out from New York last week on Friday,
and I, you know, with air traffic control my flights
since he were canceled, so I had to drive up
and all that. But the kind of windows looking right
out that direction, so you have people boarding their flights
at the airport and they get wow, stuck with that
and they see that.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Not good with with that. Frank, appreciate you checking in
with the SPAN. Thanks so much.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
No, No, all the best and I we'll talk soon,
all right, buddy.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Thanks see our good friend Frank Marzullo w CPO nine
News Now. And as I was saying a little while ago,
that same exact route, a good friend of mine and
Debs was a pilot for for UPS. He retired.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yesterday was the two year anniversary of him retiring, so
imagine that. Yeah, and from what deb he talked to
the guy briefly. I think he was friends with one
of the pilots and may have trained like the other guy.
So talking about hitting a home but yeah, that really

(24:19):
hits home too, because those guys, you know, they've they
fly to Honolulu, and we happened to be in Hawaii
when they were making a jount down there. We hooked
up at the pilots and they're down there for whatever
it is, thirty six hours turn around or something like that. Yeah,
and we got together and had a little lunch and

(24:40):
had a little my tire or whatnot. And of course
they can't really get it on too hard. But it's
just scary to think about, man, that all that fuel involved.
Good Lord, man with that we take in with traffic
and weather, what is going on with that again? Jason
Williams for Rocky Today, rock Back Tomorrow. So, Jase, do

(25:05):
you have problems sleeping at night? Do you take any
sleep aids of any nature? I do have problems sleeping
at night, but I do not take anything. I have
taken melatonin I don't know a handful of times over
the years, but not really one to take stuff.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
I don't. I don't like taking things.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
We're going to be talking to our heart specialist, doctor
Fammi Ferah coming up. And if because I was into
the melatonin for a while, really yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (25:38):
And.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
See I'm I'm a pill I'm like I'm my dearly mother.
I'm a pill popper. If I and I had I
can't like tick tacks like right, well, I can't do
I have you proven anymore? That's what There was a
few years back where I ended up at a hospital
stay because I had ulcers that I got from eating

(26:03):
taking proven all that. Oh yeah, the doctor told me that,
Oh it's like, look like anything slight headache doesn't matter.
I was just like, just in your stomach and eats
holes in your stomach. Yeah, I had Like I had
a buddy of mine that that happened to as well.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Doesn't matter if you took it on a full stomach
or not. And huh, well, like I said, I would,
like you said, I was taking them like tic tac.
I didn't even think about it. I would just pop
one in my mouth. Anything hurt, like I said, slight headache,
you know, like you know, anything sore boom, just take
a couple of advil or whatever and almost like just

(26:45):
rubbing dirt on it and moving on right, correct. And uh,
That's the way I was with melatonin. And it just
makes it just makes you feel to me, I found it.
It just makes me feel dopey all the time. Melotonin. Yeah,
isn't it supposed to It's like a natural supplement, right, Yeah,
But see, I would there's a certain way to take it.

(27:08):
I think you're supposed to take it like six hours
before you go to bell Okay, I mean I don't know.
Always it's usually like an hour before.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
That's what.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Right, If I'm thinking about going to bed, I would
take one, right, but then I'd get up in the
middle of the night and not be able to go
back to sleep. So I'd get up and take another one,
and then I'd wake up in the morning and I'd feel,
you know, like I said, dope here an hell.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Well, we're going to be talking to our heart our
heart specialists about it, and she's going to apparently tell
us that, hey, you take too much of that stuff,
you're gonna end up like me eating all those advil.
You're not going to have a hole in your stomach.
You're going to screw up your heart. Oh jeez. So yeah,
that's wild. But I you know, I don't it's one thing,

(27:55):
one thing or another is going to get you, bro.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
I mean, the.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
My my latest thing has been I will go and
take a tiland all pm. Yeah, just one, and that
will knock me dead stone out for a good eight hours.
That's just reminds it's I mean, it's not funny, but
it is like I remember, like my mom taught at

(28:21):
a vocational school back home in Gallia County, and uh,
it drove her nuts because the kids were allowed to
have a smoke break back then, and like she'd be like, yeah,
he's like you know, and then they like every once
in a while one of them say, we got to
die somehow, missus Williams, and it's like it drove her
nuts that that was the response.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Well, that's probably one here for their mom and dad.
So they're like, I gotta die somehow. Figure it's going
to dig you. Hell, I haven't lived a hard and
seventeen years.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
I need to move on. So every once in a
while my mom gets on me about my health, I'll
be like, hey, gotta die somehow. Drives are nuts.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
We're gonna be talking to doctor Farah, but that's after
the news. Right now, News Radio seven hundred WLW right
back on the Eddie and Rocky Show Rock Out Today,
Jason Williams is with him, Jace.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
We are in the process of tracking down our guest,
doctor Fammi Farah, cardiologists talking about the effects of using
melatonin too much. You'll sleep aid melatonin.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Now, what is your go to to help you to
go to sleep, because Rocky and I've talked about it before.
And my problem is if I wake up in the
middle of the night, and you know, men of a
certain age all do we all wake up in the
middle of the night. I've reached that certain age. Oh
you have to go to the bathroom, so you get

(29:53):
up and do your business. You go back down, lay
back down. Nine out of ten times, Man, I don't.
I'm always as soon as I do that, I'm thinking, well,
am I going back to sleep? And it could be
two thirty in the morning.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
That's interesting you mentioned that because I'm in that mode
now where I'm waking up at like four in the
morning and then I can't get back to sleep. But
I didn't go to sleep. I didn't go to bed
till like midnight, twelve thirty, right, So if I'd have
gone to sleep at nine, like I woke up before thirty, yeah,
not that big of a deal. But and then it
just kind of messes my day up. Well, that's that's

(30:28):
the thing, and I don't rock and I have talked
about it in that when I lay down and closed
my eyes and try to go back to sleep, I'm
trying too hard to go back to sleep. Does that
make sense? Yes, your makes perfect sense. You're sitting there
just going go sleep, Go to sleep, go to sleep.
I guess what's not going to happen. You ain't gonna
go back to sleep. I'm in a bad place too

(30:49):
where I feel like I'm gonna like it. It's that
time of day where you know, late at night, where
it's like nothing's going on, all the kids are in bed.
I feel like I'm catching up on all my news,
and then I get down, I get down all these
these watching news clips and reading about all the different
news stories of the day on politics and whatever the

(31:11):
current event is. Like, you know, last night, I couldn't
get enough of the coverage of the ups thing and
of the election. And it's always something every night usually,
and then I next thing, I know, it's twelve thirty,
but I'm kind of wired because I've been watching all
kinds of stuff. And then you know, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
You know, you can't go to sleep. It's a bad
cycle for me. Well, the the ex quote unquote experts
tell you not to. I know, I do look at
a screen, right, and and that's hard to avoid well
I used to do. I used to lay in bed
and I'd be sitting there with a little reading lamp

(31:50):
on reading a book. Well that's not fair to my wife, right,
she said, But I guess it's at least a screen
you can so just you know, it's just you, yes,
visible to you more or less. But but yeah, hey,
the lamp only had once to me eat, what are

(32:11):
you gonna do? Exactly?

Speaker 1 (32:14):
But my my favorite move is too, well it's not
my favorite move, but it is a move. I fall
asleep on the on the couch watching TV.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
That's that's what I do.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
And typically usually what I'm so I'll sleep for whatever
it is. It might be fifteen minutes, it might be
two hours. But then when I go to bed, I'm
wide awake and can't go back to sleep. And that's
when like something like melowtonin or a title all PM
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, that is my go to fall asleep on the
couch watching TV.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
And what what kills me is that I can sit there.
I can be sitting there just telling myself, Hey, this
is cool. I just watching the rest of this movie
and I'm not that tired. And the next thing I know,
it's one o'clock in the morning, and.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
You know, and you miss you missed the rest of
the movie. Well, now I'm watching like the Food Channel
or some whatever, or the infomercials that have come exactly, yes, exactly,
I've seen many, many, many of infomercials in my day.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
We are in the process of tracking down our guest
doctor Fami Farrah the she's a cardiologist, and the story
is that melatonin long term usage has been linked to
a higher risk of heart failure. Now, I don't know
if that's just scary scary or not, but hospitalization or

(33:50):
death from heart failure by long term use of melatonin
has been cited. Melatonin supplements maybe as harmless as may
not be as harmless as commonly assumed. It's if our
study is confirmed, this could affect the doctor's counsel patients
and what they say about sleep aids. Now, I will

(34:11):
tell you this that I was talking not too long
ago about being in the hospital when I had the
gastrik the ulcer problem. And you know, guess what, it's
Sleeping in the hospital is not something that you are
born equipped to do. Let's you're a new born, and

(34:34):
so I couldn't there's no way I was going to
be able to sleep. And I asked, I was like,
can you give me something to sleep? And she said
and the lady said, yeah, I'll get you some melatonin.
So they were given the hospital equipped melatonin. And the
thing that got me about it, and the thing that
we should all recognize about hospitals, as I think we

(34:56):
are all smart enough to know, is that I checked
my itemized bill, whatever it came, whenever, whenever got around
to it that week, or whatever they charged you for it.
Oh yeah, the two melatonin it was like twenty dollars
or something for two melatonin bills. You would get two

(35:17):
bottles of that. We would get two hundred and fifty
pound bottles of that at Kroger for twenty bucks.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Right right, Well, that story you sent from People magazine,
it's got the picture of the melatonin. I believe I
have in my That's what the nature made melatonin. It's
in my medicine cabinet. Now, I'll tell you ed this
is this is a little scary that the study used
five years of health records for more than one hundred

(35:44):
and thirty thousand adults with insomnia who used melatonin for
at least twelve months determined that ninety they had a
ninety percent higher chance of heart failure over five years.
That ain't good. No, shouldn't the alarms be being sounded
about melatonin? Well, we just sounded it. They're give it

(36:08):
to you in the hospital apparently for twenty bucks by
the bill. Shouldn't be laughing about that. And this is
give me a oxy or something for that kind of mine.
We're looking, uh with that, We're gonna see if we
can't track down our doctor. But now we check in
with traffic and weather. What is going on, Jason is Wednesday,

(36:30):
so that means coming up after the five o'clock news,
we'll be doing Wednesdays with Willie. And as much as
I don't want to get him started on the election,
I don't think we have a choice. Noah, we gotta
gotta put that beach ball on the tee for him
and let him go for I don't know, fifteen minutes
and then I get.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Right.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
That's uh, that's pretty much the way it is. He
will I was gonna. I thought, what can we get
him to talk about rather in the election, because he's
gonna you know, I heard him. We were doing his
spin with Seg and and I was, well, see poor Seg.
If Rocky's not here, there's nobody else in there, and

(37:13):
Seg Willy just sits there and and talks in circles
and segs like, yes, well.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
I like I like it?

Speaker 2 (37:21):
When will He'll say something pretty bombastic and like what
do you think? Sag and just like will he uh
a stooge report a sponsored by temp Star quality. You
can feel tep star. Well, the Reds win three to
one last night, but Seg, don't you think I can't.

(37:42):
I can't do a good impersonation And that's a that's
a pretty good Willy though. But he uh you have
to know his talk cloud and uh but he slowan sloan,
he does a good one. But uh, he really does.
That's really good. Uh, he's going to get started on it.
So there's no point in not let turning him loose

(38:04):
and let him talk. But we are going to have
a guest before that, after the four thirty news talking
about they got in the national implications and what happened
and what's being said about it. But right now, now, look, Jase,
how back in the day when you were there growing

(38:28):
up as a young we lad in Gallia County. Yes,
the foothills of the Appalachia al Apachian Mountains, as my
son once called them. Yes, Yes, and my parents both
the heart of Appalachian Absolutely Dad deep south southeast, deep

(38:51):
down in Kentucky, YEP, southeast of Lexington. My mom grew
up in West Virginia, southeast.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Of Charleston, Kanalla Counties from you know, that's where she
ended up moving when she was a kid. But she
was down in like Beckley, way down in the area
near the Virginia border, YEP. But they all the southern
people knew somebody who they said was crazy. You know,
she was crazy.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
The size of it.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
She was nuts.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
And that brings us to Kira cousins of air Dry.
I believe that's how you'd say it. I'm sure with
a Scottish accent. It's different.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Air Dry Scotland.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
She misled family and friends for months about her pregnancy
and about the October tenth the birth of her daughter,
Body Bonnie Lee Joyce. She apparently our friend, Kira twenty two,
we're our prosthetic baby bump.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
And and and when it bought.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Have you seen those little they're called reborn dolls. They
look just like a little baby, I mean dead dead.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
On I've seen the isn't there prosthetic bumps that they'll
use as like to help my Yeah, I want to
say I've seen that.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Once she got rid of the bump, she got herself
up one of these dolls that she said was the baby.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Okay, I mean does it like make noise and stuff too?
I don't think robot kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
She she said she had heard the baby daddy fooled. Now,
how do you tell me how that happens? She had
this prosthetic baby, you know, bregnant belly thing strapped on her.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Uh she Kira said.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
The uh.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
When somebody wanted to hold the baby, she says, no, no, no, no,
she's very sick. She's got a heart, she said, she
had a heart in the effect, so nobody can really
hold her, accept me. But then apparently her mother somehow
discovered the doll the this Kira Lady message that would

(41:18):
be dad that Bonnie Lee had died. Oh my gosh,
so she's just going to keep this ruse up. Everybody
believed her, said her friend. We were also happy for
I feel totally used and drained. Oh yeah, another friend
said quote. She had noticed straight away that her bump

(41:39):
wasn't real. You could see the straps on her back
holding it in.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Oh why didn't you say something back then?

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Well, ah, do you what is wrong with you? I
want to know why you would do something like that.
I go back to the original statement, she's crazy, she's crazy.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Uh, that's how I set it up in the Barker's
Ridge up in Cable County. Man, she's crazy, yeah, and uh,
I don't know why you would do that.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
She was, uh.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Getting back at the baby daddy, supposing baby daddy or
something or but man, to follow through with that big
of a thing, that's a lot of work. Yeah, to
carry on a fake thing. I mean it's not a joke,
like you think it's funny. Well, I don't know. I
don't think she thought it was funny. I'm sure she was.

(42:33):
Probably she might have been using it to get money
out of the guy or something. That's Uh, It's it's
time to move on, It's time to catch a new trolley. Crazy, right,
I mean that's all you can say, as we like
to say, and we'll like it's just say crazy, right.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
I Uh crazy, I had a there, I had my
share of crazy women that I went out with, and
I had one girl say uh when I was breaking
I was attempting to break it off with her, said well,
I guess i'll see you later, daddy. Oh, And I

(43:13):
like say, what, no, Oh, I bet your heart just
dropped your ankles. What do you think That wasn't the
only thing that dropped my ankles. That was a whole
lot that dropped down that way when you said that
to me, Oh man.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, that's I mean you got young, a young head,
fingers like he's got his whole wife ahead of him,
and like, ooh no.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
When you look at a woman who says something like
that to you and you can see the devil horns
starting to protrude from their forehead and the glowing red eyes,
you know you're in trouble. Get out with that that.
We check in with the News News Radio seven hundred
w l W. All right back with Eddie and Jason

(44:03):
in for Rocky Today, rock Back Tomorrow coming up after
the top of the hour, we'll be talking to Willie
and tonight the Hot Stove League back Chase.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah, I saw that already that time, our bud Michael Anderson,
the Reds released that schedule and uh, it's back tonight
spring training this time. That schedule from our bud, Larry
Hearms just he just released that today and so it
is yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
That's coming up, plan plan for baseball. That's uh, that's
the future. Let's talk about the immediate past here. And
we've been talking a lot about the local election and
the stuff that happened downtown and some of the district
races and that type of thing. Let's talk a little
bit about what happened nationally with our good friend Lisa Miller.

(44:54):
It is we haven't talked to Lisa in a long time.
She's an author, a keynote speaker. And Lisa, how much
do you know about your research? Constantly?

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Right every month?

Speaker 7 (45:07):
As you know, it's good to be back by the way,
thank you, And every month I do a thousand consumer
surveys just to keep a pulse on what's going on,
whether it's politics or tariffs, or just the economy in general,
or even Christmas shopping in New Year's resolution, so everything
and anything, but this political season has been an interesting one.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
So Lisa, well, let's pursue it from there. Knowing based
on your research, what exactly happened yesterday, because let's face it, well,
considering it's a pretty small sample size as far as
the national implications for these races go. But what was
the main concern for people?

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Do you suppose?

Speaker 7 (45:49):
Well, what's interesting, let me back up just a minute,
is so I had you know, you know, I love
to ask different questions, So I was measuring joy in
the middle of the pandemic instead of fear. And what
I decided to do or this election season is a
little social experiment. So imagine these one thousand people, and
I had these ten political statements, and basically a third

(46:13):
of them got them with no political affiliation.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
Just how do you feel about this?

Speaker 3 (46:17):
In absolute?

Speaker 7 (46:18):
But then a third actually said, brought to you by
the Democrats, the same exact words. And then the third
group actually saw the same ten statements that were brought
to you by the Republicans. And so this idea of
the messenger bias is real, meaning that we've gotten so

(46:40):
wound up that the same message. And I'll give you
an example is say college tuition repayment, right, so you
know I shouldn't have to pay. So the statement literally
is college should be affordable for every family. The taxpayers
shouldn't be stick paying someone else's debt. So if I'm
Republican and I tee that up as a Republican said

(47:02):
it sixty nine percent, almost seven and ten said yes,
I strongly agree, five and a five point scalt same
statement said ooh, presented by the other team, So it's
not my home team, it's the other team. Same words
though it drops to forty four, so you lose twenty
five points of agreement by the messenger. So we're you know,

(47:23):
people aren't even listening anymore. They're like, oh, my opposing team,
the other political party said something, So I'm just absolutely
going to shut it down. And the same holds true.
You know, I have the same types of things when
I'm coming from a Democrat, you know, a Democrat, same
home team versus opposing team, and you see those same gaps.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Lisa, I think what you do that's fascinating stuff. And
what you just said there, I think probably sums up
a lot of when we you know, you continue to
see least pockets around the country and certainly locally and
where you know it's folks just get that sample ballot,
no matter what party they're from, you know, and they
just go right down that list, and that seems to

(48:05):
kind of a line generally speaking with what you found
on the on the broader scale of last night nationally,
one of our hosts here, Bill Cunningham, earlier had the
Ohio GOP chairman Alex Chanta Filou on talking about basically saying, hey,
you know, the New York mayor's race went to mom Donnie,

(48:26):
but that's also a very Democrat place. The New Jersey
governor's race went to you know, the democrat. That's that's
a very Democrat place. Virginia is typically a blue state.
They did have a Republican governor and now they're going
back to a Democrat governor.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
It is is that?

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Is it as simple as that? Or is there was
there an anti Trump push or message being sent by
voters in this election? From your standpoint, well, the.

Speaker 7 (48:57):
Data, what's interesting is there are some other polls that
I was looking at, and what's interesting is there was
more excitement, not necessarily in a good way, but energy
to go vote by Democrats. And so that is kind
of a I'm going to use my vote as a
way to change. But underneath of that, you always say
average is awful and underneath of that, both parties are

(49:20):
very disappointed with their home team's leadership and some of
those things. So even though there was yeah, so even
though there was these resounding you know, you see the
news that was the blue wave, it doesn't mean people
are happy with the Democratic leadership. It's just that that
was a vote to say, I'm voting from my home
team to make a difference. But that's what's unfortunate, because

(49:45):
it might be that somebody that might be on the
opposing team actually has an agenda that you may agree
with more, but we're just not listening. And it's I
don't have historical data because you know, I've been doing
this particular research since the pandemic.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
But you know, it's the age, what is it?

Speaker 7 (50:01):
The tale is a oldest time that there's been mudslinging
and politics, and so that's nothing new. But because of
social media and all of that amplification, you know, those
echo chambers as they say that the last probably since
two thousand and eight, you know, since social media has
been on the rise, that's when this political digging your

(50:23):
heels in and just not listening. And I just say
to listeners, I know this is hard. I know This
sounds like, oh, Lisa, just don't be so Pollyanna. But
it's like, if you can imagine a world where you
actually read the statement of this idea of no one
should work full time, should live in poverty, couldn't we
all agree that that's a reasonably humane human statement and

(50:47):
just on that surface that that's an agreement statement and
not let it say blue versus read oh, I hate
it if I'm on the other team.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
So I think that label off.

Speaker 7 (50:57):
I call it the label off mentality. And how refreshing
could that be if just individually we do that.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Lisa Miller's our guest. And Lisa, let me ask you,
what do you suppose all that change that there is
no gray area now in politics it is definitely either
deep red or deep blue. No, there's no gray middle
area these days. You either think what you were just

(51:25):
talking about, whatever the case might be, whatever the issue is,
you either believe it or you don't believe it. You're
not willing to consider anything about it other than that
you know how you feel.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
And that's the way it is.

Speaker 7 (51:39):
Yeah, And I think it goes back to if you
speak to people on a one on one basis, what
you do find is there are if I look at
the statements that were called it unbranded, like you know,
you think about it, it's a code versus pepsi and
it's ironic that those are blue and red right and
actually ironically ones in the south and ones in the northeast.
But you know, it's you do have a preference for

(52:01):
some but there are things. So for instance, tax returns
should reward hard work rather than loopholes. That's a statement
that regardless of your political affiliation. When it was unbranded,
So it's the unbranded taste test, people agree they deserve
every dollar should make a difference, every proof of it.

(52:22):
So some of the dose things unbranded people can agree.
So it's just that, you know, there are issues that
we all align on and we just have to get
out of this US versus them mentality, which it can't
change at a It has to be a bottom up
movement for that to happen, because the media continues on,

(52:43):
you know, depending on if you go to the far
left media the far right media. You just have to
sample and taste test other things, you know, But it's possible.
I just feel like it's it's definitely a hard challenge,
for sure.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
At least I'm one of those middle of the road folks,
and I find my self getting very frustrated with the
extremes on both sides. And I and I wondered that
very thing that you just you know, you you just
alluded to there, and it makes me wonder like when
or if will we ever? Will we ever? Will this

(53:18):
ever level out again? And we're you know, being that
common sense you know, center right, center left, uh, you
know person in politics sort of has a place again?
Or or do you see us continuing even going more
hard hardcore partisans as we continue on?

Speaker 7 (53:39):
Well, I think it's like I said, it's if change
is going to happen, it will be at the you know,
one to one relationships and having the conversations. Because what's
happened is certain messages. And I'll just tell you, like
certain messages like clean energy that no matter even unbranded,
it's still very divisive. So you know, if you're more

(54:03):
in the Democrat you highly agree with that, and if
you're a public and you don't, But then why is that?

Speaker 5 (54:09):
Why?

Speaker 7 (54:10):
Why is there such a division? Is it that we
think pollution is good? If you were to ask anybody,
is pollution good? I would hope everybody would agree that. No,
but it's how they the messages have been filtered. So
I think it's going to have to start bottoms up.
But then if there are political candidates that could stop.
You know, sometimes I cringe when I hear from both sides.

(54:33):
You know some of the statements it's you know, like
the decorum and you know, those things have kind of
gone out the window, and I think that just doesn't
set a good example. On neither side is doing a
great job. And that's why frustration is high. That's the
one thing Americans can't agree on is frustration with politics.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Big time.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
With the With that, Lisa, we will let you go.
Fascinating stuff. We really appreciate it. People want to find
out more. Where can they go.

Speaker 7 (54:58):
The best way to actually find is a hashtag called
business the Business of Joy. But my website is l
W M dash Associates dot com.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Lisa Miller, thanks so much, Thank you, Lisa.

Speaker 8 (55:13):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
Have a great day.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Take care And yeah, it's fascinating stuff. I mean that
is her research is incredible. That's what I'm saying. Diving
onto that stuff, honey, for one thing, that's that's the
way above my pay grade. I don't know how you
figure out even what the research and how to do it.
It's it's fastpreciated. Appreciate her perspective too, not coming from

(55:36):
a hard partisan angle from one way or the other.
That you know, the fact that she's trying to scour
at all is a pretty pretty good stuff. With that,
we check in with traffic and weather. What is going
on coming up?

Speaker 1 (55:47):
We're going to be talking to our good friend Bill Cunningham.
It is after all Wednesdays with Willie Jace and if
we are past guests there at Lisa Miller, if you
are indeed trying to track her down the uh the hat,
it's hashtag journey back to Joy and Jason. That's going

(56:09):
to be the title of my book, Journey Back to
Joy with ed fingers with ed as ask my wife.
My wife knows I'm one of them.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
That ain't happening. What are your nuts? I want to
sell some of these books for by Marty Brenneman. Uh
Mark talk about let me tell you something about about
your boy, Marty. He's living his best life since he retied.
It makes me want to retire. I man, I ain't

(56:46):
got Brennaman bucks but I'm telling you what, that guy
is living the fat life after he retired. It's great
and I'm very happy. Well, we were just talking about
that a couple of weeks ago. We had a guest
on talking about super age. Is how yeah, folks that
are staying young and into their eighties. And you know
they said the brain function of a fifty year old. Well,

(57:09):
Marty's what eighty three? Even I see pictures of him
on Facebook all the time in another country, is enjoying, smiling,
great health.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
He was.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
I saw him dressed up for Halloween the other day,
like he just got back from a Mediterranean cruise.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
That's how you do it, man. But like I said,
you got to have the ba here as Willie would say,
the dough, the ray and the me or is the
segment would say, the green let Us of Salvation?

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Is that what it's? The green let Us of Salvation?

Speaker 6 (57:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (57:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Uh But anyways, I got god what I gotta say?

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (57:49):
But yeah, so lout Our citizen of the day in
other words, is Marty Brenneman. And we can talk to
uh Willie about that coming up. But as I was
saying earlier, no matter what, we try to talk about.
I know what Willy's going to talk about, and we
will talk about what Willy wants to talk about after
the news Right now, News Radio seven hundred w l W.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
All right back with Deddy and Jason in for Rocky Today.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
As no matter who my co host is, every Wednesday,
about this time we talked to this fellow right here,
being brought to you by the fine folks at Joseph Chevrolet. Now, Willie,
what do what do we want to talk about today?
Do we want to talk about gee, the plight of
the Bengals. Do we want to talk about the upcoming

(58:43):
holiday season? We want to talk about holiday travel? What's
on your mind today?

Speaker 3 (58:50):
No?

Speaker 1 (58:51):
No way, really, So Willie, in your in your words,
what happened yesterday locally and then move on to nationally.

Speaker 6 (59:03):
Well, you know, locally it was more of what's been
happening in the past twenty years. We gone from red
to pink, to purple to blue to dark blue, which
is the course every major American city's taken anyway, whether
it's Cleveland and so this is a continuation of a
large number of Americans moving out of the city and
out of Hamblin County and leaving it to those who

(59:27):
are behind that are not shot.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
We say Republican voters.

Speaker 6 (59:30):
I was on a New Jersey radio station last night,
and they've lost three hundred thousand New Jersey residents, which
is why Chicarelli lost so easily. And it simply continues.
And I don't mind much about him losing New York
City and Virginia and New Jersey and republic California. Hell
is not going to windows anyway, and so I think

(59:52):
there has much to do about nothing. I don't think
it showed much at all.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
And I stand with Donald J.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Trump.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Well, Willie, you said it yourself there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
I moved to Cincinnati in nineteen seventy nine, and when
I came here, you said it yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
I mean talk about deep red.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
I was, I was, I was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
I remember seeing the Democrat candidates and I was like,
good luck to you, sir. Is the most conservative called
the most conservative city in America. Maybe you know that, Sid, yeah, yeah,
And well it was.

Speaker 6 (01:00:29):
Purple for like about ten years. But in the beginning,
the red sample ballot meant you would be elected. Now
the blue sample ballot means you get elected. And people
have moved to for example, in Warren County. Now one
Democrat won anything in Warren County. I spoke to Rob
Sanders and some leaders in Boone County. He said he
didn't have an election. He said, but you can't find

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a Democrat here with a search warrant. And so what's
happened is that in every American city the same thing.
One American city, the top twenty have a Republican on
city council.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Or a mayor.

Speaker 6 (01:01:02):
Uh, there's none in Ohio. Of the eight large counties,
there's something. There's something like fifty four members of council
in America, and Ohio's eight large cities. There's not one
Republican anywhere in those eight cities. And so I thought, well,
we thought the issues were so bad for Democrats that
maybe because of Patrick Herringer's murder or all the shootings

(01:01:26):
and the blood running in the streets, and the open
air drug use and the graffiti and the high cost
of living. You can't buy a place very expensive, which
is true everywhere in the cities that the residents may say,
I can't take this anymore, but that hardly ever happens
in these blue cities.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
And turnout and turnout. Yeah, the explanation for that is
it the turnout. I mean when a turnout is that
you know in the energy, The energy is in the
folks who do follow that same ballot. And in this
case it's a one party you know town and there

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you go and there's there's the formula for why you
saw the same city hall, right, Jason.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
That's a good point.

Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
However, last year in twenty twenty four, to turnout with
seventy two percent, and at seventy two percent, Kamala Harris
won the city by seventy seven percent. And so if
you would have had a double to turnout, well, in
twenty twenty four on the best, seventy two percent turnout
is like max almost and Kamala Harris won by seventy

(01:02:32):
seven percent, And so if there would have been a
double to turnout, it would have been the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Yeah, because you didn't like, you.

Speaker 6 (01:02:41):
Know, democrats came out, but the true believers came out
and those tend to be Democrats in the city. So
in a New Jersey that was a bit of a shock,
which at Chicarelli losing like that, But when I heard
three hundred thousand Republicans left New Jersey heck, in New
York City, they've lost eight hundred thousand residents, mainly Republicans

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who have moved.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
What does that mean for the cities.

Speaker 6 (01:03:06):
I think almost the Republican Party needs to abandon the
cities and just say, well, you're on your own. Good luck,
and I want good things for my city, but I
don't see it happening. And for what I'm hearing from
the Feds, if any of that is true, there might
be more problems coming, and it's going to cost the
city millions of dollars to buy out Chief Washington and
Chief Fiji to get an NDA. Then you got Alex Stravinsky.

(01:03:29):
Lawyer Doug Brandon came on with me a few days ago,
and they're gonna wait to file this large civil rights
lawsuit against the city for wanting to charge someone criminally
who's white. Gonna wait after the resolution of his trial
on December.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
The eighth, and that'll be dismissed.

Speaker 6 (01:03:43):
And so if it takes you know, I don't see
it changing anytime in my lifetime, Jason, Maybe not in
your lifetime, maybe not in your children's lifetime, because this
is like a sixty to eighty year cycle. We're in
and we'll see what happens down the road. But I
wasn't surprised at all by the outcome that the volume.
I thought Chris Smitherman had a chance, and I thought
Liz Keating had a chance. When a no name Democrat

(01:04:05):
finishes ninth and beat Smitherman and Keating, what does that
tell you?

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Let me an will because I totally was convinced that
smither Win for sure was going to get on. I
was surprised by Keaty. I was surprised by Gooden as well.

Speaker 6 (01:04:21):
About it was about thirty percent Republicans in the city,
and she was on the sample ballot for Republicans. But
my friend Chris Smitherman wasn't on anyone sample ballot. So
when you go there as an occasional voter or someone,
what's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Give me the ballot?

Speaker 6 (01:04:34):
His name was on nowhere, and so he had to
rely upon previous name idee.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
I did another one.

Speaker 6 (01:04:40):
John Cranley, who just dominated politics for years in the city,
ran as a precinct executive two years ago, which is
a very low level position that sets the policy, so
to speak.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
At the Democratic Party.

Speaker 6 (01:04:52):
And John Cranley did not win his seven or eight
streets around him to serve on the executive Committee of
the Democratic Party because he was viewed as a moderate.
He was viewed as someone who thought that in life
begins the conception, and so they told John Cranley gone.
But Chris Smitherman is extremely competent, would be excellent oncouncil
Bright But it's not a no sample ballot, and I'm

(01:05:14):
told by my friends in the black community he's not
going to get much Black vote. He got Republican vote.
People that knew him voted for him. I hope he's
got something to do with the state. I know he's
been introduced to Veke Ramaswami. I think he'd be an
excellent lieutenant governor. With Saveke Ramaswami. I think for those
of us see what happens down the road.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
I think for those of us who geek out on
this stuff, and certainly you talk a lot about it.

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
What I.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
You mentioned Warren County earlier, and how that's you know,
that's the other side of the coin, one party rule
the other way. And but then you look, you kind
of look at pockets elsewhere in the suburbs, Anderson Township
being in Hamilton County, their Trustee Board of Trustees goes Democrat?
Does that mean game over in Anderson Township? And that

(01:06:03):
that's just going to keep on, you know, kind of
creeping out. And what my question to you is is
that do you see beyond Hamilton County? Do you see
blue creeping in in? You know, I don't know, Butler
County seems maybe like that would be a place where
it could be the next place that goes blue. Or
do you think it just stops within the county or

(01:06:25):
in Hamilton.

Speaker 6 (01:06:27):
I just played golf with a good friend of mine
who told me that Westchester Township went Democratic and I said, wow,
I didn't pay attention to that. I said, what, yes,
And I said it's it's it's like a virus or
a vine that leeches right up against counties. Do I
think Butler County, Warren County, Boone County in.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
My lifetime is going to flip?

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
No, but you it is.

Speaker 6 (01:06:49):
You know, Jay said, it's hard out here. I mean
it's difficult, and the expectations of a person for.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Government are great.

Speaker 6 (01:06:55):
And if you're having difficulty one type or another, you
don't want to look toward the Republican Party of the
Democratic Party. Promises all kinds of goodies and stuff, and
I see that social Security. You know, how about educated
white women voted for Democrats plus fifteen percent? And how
many educated white women are there in Blue Ash, Madeira
Montgomery A lot, a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
So in those Republican.

Speaker 6 (01:07:20):
Areas, Madeira Montgomery, Blue Ash Anderson Township always voted Republican
until the last ten years, and now they're voting Democrat.
If somebody had told me that Madeira Blue Ash Montgomery
is going to vote Democrat, I wouldn't have believed if
I looked at the numbers. I talked to Alex t
I talked to Russell.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
Democrat.

Speaker 6 (01:07:42):
They're Democrats and Anderson Township Democrats. So where does somebody
run county wide who's a Republican to get votes from?

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
What do you what do you?

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
What do you owe that to? Is it a frustration
with the status quo?

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Is it the voter base is getting younger and younger?
What's what do you owe that to?

Speaker 6 (01:08:05):
I think there's too a couple issues playing out. One
is that educated white females I don't like the behavior
of Donald Trump and he is the front and center.
And whether it's the cursing, whether it's the cruelty toward people.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
I like his policies.

Speaker 6 (01:08:21):
I don't care if he uses the f wort on
a regular basis to his policies work. But a woman,
you guys may not know, but a woman thinks differently
than a man. And a woman says, that's that's not
a good example for my children, and they don't like
what he does and how he acts and insulting people.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
And then the other thing is abortion.

Speaker 6 (01:08:41):
If you ask educated white female, should abortion be available,
and the answer is about seventy five percent yes, and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
That includes Republican women in that group there.

Speaker 6 (01:08:51):
Sure it does, absolutely, And so you get those issues
kind of working. And the face of the party is
Donald Trump. And I listen to have to have pure
Ball give a speech. At the end he's talking about
Donald Trump. I watched Mom Donnie last night. It was
Donald Trump. I watched Brandon Johnson in Chicago. It's Donald Trump.
I watched Karen Bass in LA It's Donald Trump. And

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they don't focus on the success or failure of their policies.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
That focus on Donald Trump.

Speaker 6 (01:09:19):
And and also, uh, the turnouts Republicans did not turn
out in this election like in Hamilton County.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:09:28):
I think the Republican turnout was slight, and the Democrats
are more motivated for their for their hatred of Donald Trump.
There's not been a politician since Abraham Lincoln who's been
so despised by Democrats. Then it's been Donald Trump. I
mean the Bushes in Reagan they dislikes him. But the
visceral anger at Donald Trump, especially among white educated females

(01:09:50):
who they tend to vote Republican, is is deep. It's
an Abraham Lincoln kunt of hatred.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
The guy's been shot, you know, like Lincoln.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Does this?

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
Does this forebode for the mid terms or in your
mind that there is the Republicans can write their ship.

Speaker 6 (01:10:12):
Well, tell me what the economy is like in September
and October of next year. The Trumpster says, man, we're
at full Employment're in all this construction management. Tell me
what's happening in the economy. Is there going to be
a nineteen twenty nine style crash? Is there going to
be recession? Do we have a situation where we have
high interest rates and high unemployment?

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:10:34):
This is you know, we got nine ten months to go.
There's the perception the economy is.

Speaker 9 (01:10:38):
Not good right now.

Speaker 6 (01:10:39):
The numbers are good, but individual men and women don't
live within the numbers. They live within their home and
they think pricing prices are up, which there is about
three percent and immediate when you watch the media coverage
of Trump is always bad, awful, terrible. So the occasional
voter says, well, let's go vote against this guy, without
knowing the issues in each race. So if you tell
me the economy's going to rip roaring, you can buy home.

(01:11:02):
Interest rates are down, full employment and inflation's under control.
Happy days are here again. But next year is going
to be very interesting. And so I don't know because
in the off year elections it is on average the
party out of power picks up fifteen to eighteen seats
in the House at about four.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
To six US Tennessee. So that happens.

Speaker 6 (01:11:21):
The last two years of Trump's term is going to
be miserable, miserable. Nothing's going to.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Get done effectively. Just he's talk about lame duck. That's it, right, Yeah,
He's lame duck. And get ready for articles of impeachment.

Speaker 6 (01:11:38):
And all that craft's going to happen again. Hell, they
impeached the guy after he left office. Now he's in
they're going to impeach him when.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
He's in office.

Speaker 6 (01:11:46):
Absolutely. I think Nancy Pelosi is likely to be gone.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
But it came.

Speaker 6 (01:11:50):
Jefferies knows in New York City how popular Donald Trump
is there. Donald Trump got Kamala Harris got seventy four
percent of the vote New York.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Last election.

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
In the city of Cincinnati, she got seventy seven percent.
So you tell me how Republican runs against that?

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
With the with that, Willie, We'll let you get back
down in your bunker and uh and gathered.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
I gotta go watch bright part. I gotta watch bright Bark.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Get back to your happy place.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
Son.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
There goes There goes Willie. And he's knowing he knew
he was going to come on this show. And he's
been sitting there for the last since he got off
the air a little over two hours ago, just staring
straight ahead, ready to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Come on here and do that think you like like
punch like a punching bag to warm up for this
and like you know, Teddy Bartt, he takes this, takes
it out on hers off. Yeah, just kind of warmed
up hoops around like a boxer like jump a little
jump rope. It's the heavy bag. Yeah. Yeah, with that,
we check in with traffic and weather. What's going on here.

(01:12:54):
Let's get the latest margin friend Alex Stone at ABC
about this horrible situation in Louisville with the ups plane crash.
Alex is, what is the latest?

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
What do we know?

Speaker 9 (01:13:07):
Yeah, we got a number of updates today and the
NTSB is now on scene with what they call it
go team, a team of experts where they have expertise
and weather and engines and human factors and what the
pilots had been doing leading up to the flight and
during the flight and all of that. We know that
from the fire chief that the entire fuselage of the

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plane is gone, that it was so intense that things
on the ground and of the plane just melted and
disappeared in all of this, making it quite a bit tougher.
That the nine people are confirmed dead, they do believe
those numbers are going to go up. Three of the
dead are those who are on board, the captain, the
first officer, and a relief pilot for the very long

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flight from Louisville to Honolulu. But it was a thirty
four year old MD eleven, which sounds old, but in
airline terms, there are a lot of twenty four year
old aircraft that you fly on and probably don't know
it that as long as they keep it up and
maintain it and change out the interior and everything, that
planes can be very airworthy for a very long time.

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But this was a three engine MV eleven. They have
not been made since the late nineties. It was full
of fuel to do the almost nine hour flight from
Louisville to Honolulu, and the governor saying that he does
believe that the number of dead will be going up.

Speaker 10 (01:14:26):
Last night, we know that our folks were going building
to building, or what used to be a building to
what used to be a building, and there were some
that they could not get in that it was not
safe to get in.

Speaker 9 (01:14:38):
So a couple of updates that we just got one
the FBI is now assisting. Doesn't mean that there was
anything criminal, but they are helping out as well. The
so called black boxes, the flight data recorder and the
cockpit voice recorder. They have now been retrieved. They are
badly burned and beat up, but the NTSB is pretty
sure that when they get back to the NTSB lad

(01:14:59):
that they will be able to read those out. The
other thing now is the NTSB is saying it is
clear that during the takeoff role that the left engine
came off of the aircraft for whatever reason, and then
it was just spewing open fuel at that point as
it was lifting off the ground. They got about one
hundred and seventy five feet off the ground and then

(01:15:20):
as you've seen in video, it flips over and then
goes into the business park. The NTSB just telling us
this after.

Speaker 10 (01:15:25):
Being cleared for takeoff, a large pool of fire in
the area of the left wing occurred during the takeoff.

Speaker 9 (01:15:33):
Roll, so that engine something happened to it as it
was rolling down the runway and it was catastrophic. At
that point, the plane was on its third flight of
the day. It had recently been in for maintenance, as
large aircraft typically are. We don't know if the maintenance
involved the left engine or not, but they're going to
have to look into all of that, of the condition

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of the metal of the bolting keeping it onto the
wing and what was going on with that. But Billville's
mayor is saying, there are still families who are waiting
that the numbers don't match up the number of people
in the hospital to those who are missing at this point,
so they do fear that there are more who are dead.

Speaker 8 (01:16:12):
In the mayor sense is horrible for the families. There
are no words that I can provide to any family
members that are searching for information about someone that they
believe might have been near the scene of the crash
that they haven't heard from yet.

Speaker 9 (01:16:26):
And Guys, the UPS world Port, as it's known, they're
big headquarters, were most of the packages that you get
from UPS go through a world port at some point
that flights are canceled again today at shut down again
today because of that, there is a warning the UPS
packages beginning about now are going to be delayed substantially
globally for a while because the system is disrupted. Their headquarters.

(01:16:49):
Planes aren't coming and going from there. The airport itself
is operational, but world Port for the UPS for UPS
is not, So there may be a delay on the
package if you're it because they got to get everything
going again, probably tomorrow. But as of right now, UPS
Worldport continues to be shut down.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Alex And you said you mentioned there that they still
don't know there's still people missing or they haven't heard from.
Is it from the the work there on the ground.
Is everything just so charred so then or are these
dangerous conditions? I know the fires are out, but are
these buildings you know, I guess structures still standing where

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they're having trouble getting into some of these places to
find people or what is?

Speaker 9 (01:17:37):
Yeah, yeah, not to get too graphic in it, but
in these situations, people are essentially cremated, and it's trying
to find signs of where they were, and they're trying
to get into some of the buildings or they were
this morning and there's not a lot left. The vehicles
are completely gone. Anybody in those vehicles they're gone as well.
So it takes bringing in cadaver dogs to locate, okay,

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there was a human here, and then try to find
any sign of them to do DNA on it. This
hit two businesses, a recycling company in an auto parts company.
H there was a diner right there as well that
had just missed or would have taken out a lot
of people in that diner as well, But it could
take some time. They do believe though, based on the

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number of families who are saying that they haven't seen
their loved ones, and the number of people in the
hospital they don't match up, so they do believe that
there were more who were caught in that fire.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
All right, Well, unfortunately there is going to be more
to come out on this. Alex. We really appreciate it
talking to us and we will talk.

Speaker 8 (01:18:40):
So you got it.

Speaker 9 (01:18:41):
Thanks guys, Thanks Alex.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
And I just can't even imagine just the families must
must feel. That's just awful and being a being a
part of that, just what a horrific situation to be in. Man, Yeah,
yourself in and you know, in two hundred and eighty
thousand gallons of fuel and many sawt you've seen the

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videos of it. It just goes up. Yeah, it just
obliterates everything, right, I mean, there's no chance when you
have that much fuel that's on fire.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Yeah, well that was well exactly back then, the nine
to eleven hijackers, that's exactly what they were doing across
the country flight those cross country flights were completely fueled.
And obviously that's not a part of this equation, but
it's the same concept. And those poor souls didn't have
a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Yeah, that's just awful.

Speaker 4 (01:19:42):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
So with that we check in with traffic and weather.
What is going on