October 29, 2025 • 17 mins
Eddie and Rocky talk with Miranda from Cincinnati Ghost Tours on 700 WLW!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Speaker 3 (00:08):
Yes, Rocket, it is Halloween week.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
What are you going out here this year?
Speaker 5 (00:16):
Ed?
Speaker 4 (00:16):
You're going with the slutty bartender outfit again.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm gonna go slutty nurse this year. And just that
works out for me, you know, yeah, man?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
You know it's worked in the past.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
How about you slutty fireman? Slutty fireman one this year?
I get well, Bo would go out by himself. He's
old enough to go by himself. But do you take
the little guys out someplace? Yeah, we'll find somewhere right
here and go.
Speaker 6 (00:52):
Do you go with him?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Or does uh? Does Kelly go with.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I feel like I thought last year I was out
of town if they had a game or something, and
so I can't.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Hey, whatever, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
What you need to do is take them on a
ghost tour. And I have just here you go, and
I have just the person for you. All right. It
is our guest from American Legacy Tours. And of course
we're talking about the ghost tours they have going on
right now and the stuff she has seen along the
way on said ghost tours. She is our good friend,
(01:26):
Miranda McGee, Miranda always our pleasure.
Speaker 7 (01:31):
I'm so glad you called. I was working on my
slutty kangaroo costume. Sorry if you say this is great timing, guys,
so maybe we should all meet up together.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
Slutty like sludy slutty Cager. It's got a really big
big pouch.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I'll tell you that that sounds like the beginning of
a really good joke.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
I've gone too far. I've gone too far, guys.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Oh, you're on the edit Rocky show.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
You've not gone too far.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
So Miranda, I'm looking at your guys's schedule here and
it looks as though you have just a couple of
tours for like Tomorrow night and on Halloween night, just
a couple.
Speaker 7 (02:14):
Yeah, and on Saturday as well November first. But they
are selling out like crazy, so if you want to
get in, now is the time, which is great for
us because everybody the Spirits have been incredibly active this season.
I'm so glad you texted me last night, Eddie to
be like, hey, do you want to talk about it?
Because my husband won't listen to my ghost stories anymore.
He's like, oh my gosh, this what November come already?
(02:36):
And I'm like, but wait, this happens. He's a huge skeptic,
so he doesn't believe any of it. And I'm like,
but then, okay, you guys get this Eddie Rocky all right.
So I took him down to the tunnels where we
go for our Nightmare on Elm Street tour because somebody
proposed down there and they wanted to have me hide
the ring. I don't know, they're like history buff. We
get down into the tunnels, just the two of us,
(02:58):
and he started to look a little nervous. He was like, ooh,
it is kind of spooky down here. That's my that's
my Lexington accent here' from Lexington.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
And I was really good by the way.
Speaker 7 (03:07):
Yeah yeah, it's like He's like, oh, it's just kind
of freaky.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
And he was getting increasingly.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
Freaked out while I'm trying to work out way to
hide the string, and finally he just yelled out, just
yelled to the tunnels.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
He said, well, y'all can't hurt.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
Me because because Jesus, he just yelled out, Jesus solid argument.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
As long as I've just went and down does screen
Jesus and.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
He got you back.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
He got me.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
I thought it anyway, So that's why I was glad.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
He's like, I'm glad you're talking to Eddie and Rocky,
so I don't have to listen to it anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Okay, So well let's we We talked to you over
the last couple of years, and every year you've got stories.
What are some of the latest.
Speaker 7 (03:56):
So I don't know if I ever talked to you guys,
because I just thought this the other day at the
Campbell County Courthouse. Have you guys ever been there? I mean,
Rocky you must have been there a few times, right
the courthouse.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I haven't been in trouble with the laws that.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
It's the last time he went on a slutty fire,
but out there, yeah, it was a big hit case,
what I thought.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
So the Campbell County Courthouse, which by the way, was
built between eighteen eighty three and eighteen eighty four for
a whopping one thousand dollars. Wow, I know inflation right
by the way, you guys, my friend's hate but I
have this job. We're like walking down the street and
I'm like, you know, in eighteen fifty they're like, oh
my gosh, stop it. Anyway, so the courthouse, that was
(04:47):
the last execution that was done there was for the
murderers of Pearl Brian. Do you guys remember Pearl Brian?
Speaker 6 (04:54):
Have you heard about her?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
No?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I don't think so.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
Okay, it may start sounding familiar. It made pretty massive
news around here in the eighteen hundreds, but it still
talked about today. She was a young lady in the
late eighteen hundreds eighteen ninety six. She was twenty two
years old from Indiana, and a guy from Cincinnati, Scott Jackson,
decapitated her because she got pregnant out of wedlock and
(05:18):
he didn't want to have to deal with the baby,
so he decapitated her while she was still alive. And
it's rumored the head was never found, and it's rumored
to be under where Bobby Mackie's used to be, which
is why Bobby Mackie's was felt wanted over the other
side of the river.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
Sure, And anyway, so they get these guys, Scott Jackson
and Alonzo Walling. They drugged her with cocaine and then
decapitated her in Fort Thomas and left the body. But
took the head and they took it like once they
decapitated her, they put her head in a bag and
then went to a pub and they gave the bag
(05:53):
to the bartender to take care of while.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
They were drinking.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
And the bartender was like, ooh, this is heavy. Is
there a bowling bowl in here? And Scott jack and
the guy that murdered he just smiled.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
He was like yes.
Speaker 7 (06:03):
And then when they were hanged on the lawn right
in front of Newport, in front of Campbell County Courthouse,
the ropes were not measured correctly, so instead of jumping
and having their necks broken, they slowly strangled to death
over a few minutes, which I call karma. But because
of that, we were at Campbellton County Courthouse the other day.
There's a man that stands in the bell tower and
(06:24):
we think that's Scott Jackson still because he died in.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
A slow way, that his spirit is still.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Hanging around as it should be because he did a
really terrible thing.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yes, Now, what do you when you see something like that?
Are you just seeing a shadowy figure or is there
a face attached to it?
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Or what it was? When I saw him, we were
there sort of late at night training on a tour
and I looked up and I just saw like it
looked like there was a man in the bell tower.
And I looked up and I turned to my fellow
guy Laura. I was like, Hey, there's a guy up there.
And then we looked back and he wasn't there, and
she's like, no one's ever in the tower.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
You must have seen the ghost of Scott Jackson. Wow.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Now wow.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
So and this is like, I mean, is this a
pretty well known one or is this a little bit
more obscure.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
I guess Pearl Brian made like nationwide news in the
eighteen hundreds, and people just know because Bobby Mackie's used
to like really sort of cash in and on that
story because they never did find her head, and there
was rumors that there was a satanic cult in the
basement of Bobby Mackie's and so, and they apparently brought
(07:31):
the head there as an.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
Offering to their dark lord.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
I know.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Anyway, Bobby Mackie's isn't there anymore.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
But let me ask you that because that's a we'd
years ago on the Boarding show. We spent the well,
we had our producers spend the night in there, and uh,
it just so happens that a couple of day other
guys from the show stayed there and hid in the
uh in the attic or something, of course, and they
were they were putting, they were making noise and banging
on pipes and stuff, and that poor guy had wet
(08:00):
himself so hard by the time we got there in
the morning he could barely talk. But I'm not kidding you. Yeah,
and well and well you well, you know this story Marianda.
That wasn't there always like a rose scented perfume or
something connected with her appearance or I forget what it was.
(08:25):
But they they sprayed like you know, some of the
like room deodorizer stuff with the floral scent to it.
And He's like, I smelled the flowers. I smelled the flowers.
I heard the noise. Uh you know that was a funny.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
I love that you started to say we spent the
night there, and You're like, no, wed So.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
So now you've talked before about having actual physical contacts
with these things. Has anything like that happened to you lately?
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (09:00):
So on our Ultimate Queen City Haunted Tour, which is
really cool, we go through like you know, you hear
the dark history of Washington Park, which you gentlemen know
about that it used to be three separate cemeteries and
half the park has never been dug up. So there's
still heaps of bodies in Washington Park, which is exactly
why the dog park is paved over, because they don't
want the little pappas digging around like coming up with
(09:22):
a femur.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Wow, I didn't notice that.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
Yeah, the children's playground as all. There's heaps of bodies
under the children's playground as well. So the record was
destroyed through the fires we've had at city Hall and
the courthouse, so nobody knew about the bodies until twenty
eleven when they did the forty eight million dollar renovation
and dug out the underground parking garage.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Then they found all the bodies.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Now, how many how many do you think? How many
do they say that there are down there? Would they guess?
Speaker 7 (09:54):
So down the north end, the part they dug out
for the underground parking garage, they found then eat three
graves because at the time, in eighteen sixty, they used
to be three separate cemeteries. This is hilarious, you guys,
in the eighteen sixties, they decided they wanted to do
something nice over the rhine because it was three separate cemeteries.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
They're like, you know what, let's change this into a park.
So they put out a city.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Wide announcement saying, hey, if you have people buried here,
can you come get them because we're trying to build
a park.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
I know, right.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I was like, are a major inconvenience here?
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
What a nuisance?
Speaker 6 (10:32):
You know.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
I was really upset when the metro went up by
like ten percent. I was like two dollars twenty to
ride the Metro. Now, I imagine going to be asked to
pick up like your relatives is probably a bigger ask.
So I had to think about that perspective.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
I was like, Okay, I can.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
Get twenty cents. I don't have to go dig up
great great uncle George. So they put out a city
wide announcement saying, yeah, can you come get your relatives?
A few people did, but a lot of people were like, no,
we're not doing that. So then the city, because it
was eighteen sixty, they just out the headstones, put three
feet of dirt on top, and cold it a day.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Because it was eighteen sixty, they're like, who's gonna know?
Speaker 7 (11:05):
Wow, And this is.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
You don't know until you know.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
And then twenty eleven is when we found that out
that all those bodies there. So we found seventy three
graves in the north end. The south end which hasn't
been dug up. We've used ground penetrating radar. There are
so many bodies from the South end. So you know,
those beautiful lawns. Somebody on my tour the other day
we walked into Washington Park. She said, Oh my gosh,
I got married right on these lawns and I had
(11:35):
to do it. I was like, Oh, people were dying
to go to that wedding.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Do you guys like that joke? Yeah? Perfect, thank you.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
So that's so funny, by the way, Yeah, go ahead, Sorry, no,
what's funny by the way? Sorry?
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Yeah, No, I was just saying, like, like, we think
they're like ohing andy. Back in the day, things were,
you know, a little more pure and refined. No, we
just just put more dirt over these bodies here. No
one cares, you know, dig a mob whatever, doesn't matter.
Speaker 7 (12:13):
It was the worst back then, and the medical colleges
at the times eighteen hundred. The only bodies they could
get to practice on the medical students were from executed prisoners.
It was taboo to donate your body to science, and
so Ohiomedical College did an unprecedented thing. They were located
on Vine Street. They started saying, hey, if you give
(12:34):
us a body, because obviously they were desperate for bodies.
They're like, if you give us the body, we will
pay you one hundred and twenty five.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Dollars, no questions asked.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
So two things became incredibly popular in Cincinnati, murder and
grave robbing. The Ohio Medical College became known as the
Ohio Murder College because they had so many bodies that
started selling them to different universities like the University of Michigan.
And then they had to rebrand, so now they're the
College of Medicine at the University of Cincinnati.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
So go back at.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Well, if you know this story, I mean tied to
that though, is you know Bill Cunningham right of course?
Uh noon to three. One of his ancestors, Old Cunney,
was a grave robber in Cincinnati, is true, honest to
god facts. Ask him about it and he'll tell you.
We'll probably have to We're going to talk to him
at five o'clock. Again, we have to ask him to
(13:21):
go through all this. But yeah, he was. He was
a grave robber for that very reason. It was profitable, so.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
He was a very rich man. I can we will
make me a dollar twenty five a day and one
hundred and twenty five dollars to a body.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I was going to say one hundred and twenty five
dollars a body that went a long way back then. Man, huge,
Yeah he did.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
It's about I think it's about fifteen hundred dollars today,
But to go way back.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
You guys asked me if i'd had the experiences recently
on that to Queen City haunted. Not only do we
go through washing Pok, but we go into the Symphony Hotel.
Have you guys been to the Symphony Hotel right by
Music Hall.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I've seen it, but I've never been.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
I have not.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
That's kids.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
You guys probably give it a wide berth. You're like, oh,
it feels creepy. You should send your producers in there.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Yeah, the night, Yeah, tell him to spend the night.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
In the Mozart room. So the Symphony Hotel back in
the nineteen forties, was called the Clyde Hotel, which you
could rent a room for just a couple of hours,
and there was a lady of the night. We'll call
her Monica. Her name is actually Monica, but we'll call
her a lady of the night. But you know what
she kind of did for work. And in the Mozart
room she was murdered by a client who was unsatisfied,
(14:38):
and then he rolled her in the carpet and stuffed
her under the bed. And she is very active in
that room. The other week, I had a couple on
the tour. The boyfriend obviously didn't want to be there.
He'd been like dragged there and we left the Mozart
room and he's like, Miranda, I just said, something really
weird happened. I thought my girlfriend put her arm around
my waist, but then I looked at her and she
was like on the other side of the room. Still
(15:00):
likes to flirt with the men. And if you stay
the night in the room, as your producer will obviously do,
if you're laying alone in the bed, you'll feel the
bed settle next to you as if somebody has gotten
into the bed with you, and the sheets get flipped
up and people get their feet tickled, so we think
it's Monica still doing her job.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Wow, that sounds like my single days with the With that, Miranda,
we will, we will let you go. People want to
find out more about these ghost tours, where can they go?
Speaker 7 (15:30):
Just to American Legacy Tours dot com. I would encourage
them to book soon because we are filling up to
this last weekend appointed season. And Eddie, Now, I'm just
thinking about your single days and your feet being tickled.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
So I guess you guys can talk, could have.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Better ghost kudos. I don't know what was going on,
doesn't matter, It doesn't matter, Miranda, Thanks so much.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
All right, I can't wait to see you guys in
sludy costumes out together.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
It'll be great.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Get to get your kangaroo together and kangaroo and ready
off we go. I love it, alright, saved, thanks brand
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Speaker 3 (00:08):
Yes, Rocket, it is Halloween week.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
What are you going out here this year?
Speaker 5 (00:16):
Ed?
Speaker 4 (00:16):
You're going with the slutty bartender outfit again.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm gonna go slutty nurse this year. And just that
works out for me, you know, yeah, man?
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
You know it's worked in the past.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
How about you slutty fireman? Slutty fireman one this year?
I get well, Bo would go out by himself. He's
old enough to go by himself. But do you take
the little guys out someplace? Yeah, we'll find somewhere right
here and go.
Speaker 6 (00:52):
Do you go with him?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Or does uh? Does Kelly go with.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I feel like I thought last year I was out
of town if they had a game or something, and
so I can't.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Hey, whatever, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
What you need to do is take them on a
ghost tour. And I have just here you go, and
I have just the person for you. All right. It
is our guest from American Legacy Tours. And of course
we're talking about the ghost tours they have going on
right now and the stuff she has seen along the
way on said ghost tours. She is our good friend,
(01:26):
Miranda McGee, Miranda always our pleasure.
Speaker 7 (01:31):
I'm so glad you called. I was working on my
slutty kangaroo costume. Sorry if you say this is great timing, guys,
so maybe we should all meet up together.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
Slutty like sludy slutty Cager. It's got a really big
big pouch.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I'll tell you that that sounds like the beginning of
a really good joke.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
I've gone too far. I've gone too far, guys.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Oh, you're on the edit Rocky show.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
You've not gone too far.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
So Miranda, I'm looking at your guys's schedule here and
it looks as though you have just a couple of
tours for like Tomorrow night and on Halloween night, just
a couple.
Speaker 7 (02:14):
Yeah, and on Saturday as well November first. But they
are selling out like crazy, so if you want to
get in, now is the time, which is great for
us because everybody the Spirits have been incredibly active this season.
I'm so glad you texted me last night, Eddie to
be like, hey, do you want to talk about it?
Because my husband won't listen to my ghost stories anymore.
He's like, oh my gosh, this what November come already?
(02:36):
And I'm like, but wait, this happens. He's a huge skeptic,
so he doesn't believe any of it. And I'm like,
but then, okay, you guys get this Eddie Rocky all right.
So I took him down to the tunnels where we
go for our Nightmare on Elm Street tour because somebody
proposed down there and they wanted to have me hide
the ring. I don't know, they're like history buff. We
get down into the tunnels, just the two of us,
(02:58):
and he started to look a little nervous. He was like, ooh,
it is kind of spooky down here. That's my that's
my Lexington accent here' from Lexington.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
And I was really good by the way.
Speaker 7 (03:07):
Yeah yeah, it's like He's like, oh, it's just kind
of freaky.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
And he was getting increasingly.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
Freaked out while I'm trying to work out way to
hide the string, and finally he just yelled out, just
yelled to the tunnels.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
He said, well, y'all can't hurt.
Speaker 7 (03:20):
Me because because Jesus, he just yelled out, Jesus solid argument.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
As long as I've just went and down does screen
Jesus and.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
He got you back.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
He got me.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
I thought it anyway, So that's why I was glad.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
He's like, I'm glad you're talking to Eddie and Rocky,
so I don't have to listen to it anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Okay, So well let's we We talked to you over
the last couple of years, and every year you've got stories.
What are some of the latest.
Speaker 7 (03:56):
So I don't know if I ever talked to you guys,
because I just thought this the other day at the
Campbell County Courthouse. Have you guys ever been there? I mean,
Rocky you must have been there a few times, right
the courthouse.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I haven't been in trouble with the laws that.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
It's the last time he went on a slutty fire,
but out there, yeah, it was a big hit case,
what I thought.
Speaker 7 (04:25):
So the Campbell County Courthouse, which by the way, was
built between eighteen eighty three and eighteen eighty four for
a whopping one thousand dollars. Wow, I know inflation right
by the way, you guys, my friend's hate but I
have this job. We're like walking down the street and
I'm like, you know, in eighteen fifty they're like, oh
my gosh, stop it. Anyway, so the courthouse, that was
(04:47):
the last execution that was done there was for the
murderers of Pearl Brian. Do you guys remember Pearl Brian?
Speaker 6 (04:54):
Have you heard about her?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
No?
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I don't think so.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
Okay, it may start sounding familiar. It made pretty massive
news around here in the eighteen hundreds, but it still
talked about today. She was a young lady in the
late eighteen hundreds eighteen ninety six. She was twenty two
years old from Indiana, and a guy from Cincinnati, Scott Jackson,
decapitated her because she got pregnant out of wedlock and
(05:18):
he didn't want to have to deal with the baby,
so he decapitated her while she was still alive. And
it's rumored the head was never found, and it's rumored
to be under where Bobby Mackie's used to be, which
is why Bobby Mackie's was felt wanted over the other
side of the river.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
Sure, And anyway, so they get these guys, Scott Jackson
and Alonzo Walling. They drugged her with cocaine and then
decapitated her in Fort Thomas and left the body. But
took the head and they took it like once they
decapitated her, they put her head in a bag and
then went to a pub and they gave the bag
(05:53):
to the bartender to take care of while.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
They were drinking.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
And the bartender was like, ooh, this is heavy. Is
there a bowling bowl in here? And Scott jack and
the guy that murdered he just smiled.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
He was like yes.
Speaker 7 (06:03):
And then when they were hanged on the lawn right
in front of Newport, in front of Campbell County Courthouse,
the ropes were not measured correctly, so instead of jumping
and having their necks broken, they slowly strangled to death
over a few minutes, which I call karma. But because
of that, we were at Campbellton County Courthouse the other day.
There's a man that stands in the bell tower and
(06:24):
we think that's Scott Jackson still because he died in.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
A slow way, that his spirit is still.
Speaker 7 (06:30):
Hanging around as it should be because he did a
really terrible thing.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yes, Now, what do you when you see something like that?
Are you just seeing a shadowy figure or is there
a face attached to it?
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Or what it was? When I saw him, we were
there sort of late at night training on a tour
and I looked up and I just saw like it
looked like there was a man in the bell tower.
And I looked up and I turned to my fellow
guy Laura. I was like, Hey, there's a guy up there.
And then we looked back and he wasn't there, and
she's like, no one's ever in the tower.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
You must have seen the ghost of Scott Jackson. Wow.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Now wow.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
So and this is like, I mean, is this a
pretty well known one or is this a little bit
more obscure.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
I guess Pearl Brian made like nationwide news in the
eighteen hundreds, and people just know because Bobby Mackie's used
to like really sort of cash in and on that
story because they never did find her head, and there
was rumors that there was a satanic cult in the
basement of Bobby Mackie's and so, and they apparently brought
(07:31):
the head there as an.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
Offering to their dark lord.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
I know.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Anyway, Bobby Mackie's isn't there anymore.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
But let me ask you that because that's a we'd
years ago on the Boarding show. We spent the well,
we had our producers spend the night in there, and uh,
it just so happens that a couple of day other
guys from the show stayed there and hid in the
uh in the attic or something, of course, and they
were they were putting, they were making noise and banging
on pipes and stuff, and that poor guy had wet
(08:00):
himself so hard by the time we got there in
the morning he could barely talk. But I'm not kidding you. Yeah,
and well and well you well, you know this story Marianda.
That wasn't there always like a rose scented perfume or
something connected with her appearance or I forget what it was.
(08:25):
But they they sprayed like you know, some of the
like room deodorizer stuff with the floral scent to it.
And He's like, I smelled the flowers. I smelled the flowers.
I heard the noise. Uh you know that was a funny.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
I love that you started to say we spent the
night there, and You're like, no, wed So.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
So now you've talked before about having actual physical contacts
with these things. Has anything like that happened to you lately?
Speaker 6 (09:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (09:00):
So on our Ultimate Queen City Haunted Tour, which is
really cool, we go through like you know, you hear
the dark history of Washington Park, which you gentlemen know
about that it used to be three separate cemeteries and
half the park has never been dug up. So there's
still heaps of bodies in Washington Park, which is exactly
why the dog park is paved over, because they don't
want the little pappas digging around like coming up with
(09:22):
a femur.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Wow, I didn't notice that.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
Yeah, the children's playground as all. There's heaps of bodies
under the children's playground as well. So the record was
destroyed through the fires we've had at city Hall and
the courthouse, so nobody knew about the bodies until twenty
eleven when they did the forty eight million dollar renovation
and dug out the underground parking garage.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Then they found all the bodies.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Now, how many how many do you think? How many
do they say that there are down there? Would they guess?
Speaker 7 (09:54):
So down the north end, the part they dug out
for the underground parking garage, they found then eat three
graves because at the time, in eighteen sixty, they used
to be three separate cemeteries. This is hilarious, you guys,
in the eighteen sixties, they decided they wanted to do
something nice over the rhine because it was three separate cemeteries.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
They're like, you know what, let's change this into a park.
So they put out a city.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Wide announcement saying, hey, if you have people buried here,
can you come get them because we're trying to build
a park.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
I know, right.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I was like, are a major inconvenience here?
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
What a nuisance?
Speaker 6 (10:32):
You know.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
I was really upset when the metro went up by
like ten percent. I was like two dollars twenty to
ride the Metro. Now, I imagine going to be asked to
pick up like your relatives is probably a bigger ask.
So I had to think about that perspective.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
I was like, Okay, I can.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
Get twenty cents. I don't have to go dig up
great great uncle George. So they put out a city
wide announcement saying, yeah, can you come get your relatives?
A few people did, but a lot of people were like, no,
we're not doing that. So then the city, because it
was eighteen sixty, they just out the headstones, put three
feet of dirt on top, and cold it a day.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
Because it was eighteen sixty, they're like, who's gonna know?
Speaker 7 (11:05):
Wow, And this is.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
You don't know until you know.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
And then twenty eleven is when we found that out
that all those bodies there. So we found seventy three
graves in the north end. The south end which hasn't
been dug up. We've used ground penetrating radar. There are
so many bodies from the South end. So you know,
those beautiful lawns. Somebody on my tour the other day
we walked into Washington Park. She said, Oh my gosh,
I got married right on these lawns and I had
(11:35):
to do it. I was like, Oh, people were dying
to go to that wedding.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Do you guys like that joke? Yeah? Perfect, thank you.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
So that's so funny, by the way, Yeah, go ahead, Sorry, no,
what's funny by the way? Sorry?
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Yeah, No, I was just saying, like, like, we think
they're like ohing andy. Back in the day, things were,
you know, a little more pure and refined. No, we
just just put more dirt over these bodies here. No
one cares, you know, dig a mob whatever, doesn't matter.
Speaker 7 (12:13):
It was the worst back then, and the medical colleges
at the times eighteen hundred. The only bodies they could
get to practice on the medical students were from executed prisoners.
It was taboo to donate your body to science, and
so Ohiomedical College did an unprecedented thing. They were located
on Vine Street. They started saying, hey, if you give
(12:34):
us a body, because obviously they were desperate for bodies.
They're like, if you give us the body, we will
pay you one hundred and twenty five.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Dollars, no questions asked.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
So two things became incredibly popular in Cincinnati, murder and
grave robbing. The Ohio Medical College became known as the
Ohio Murder College because they had so many bodies that
started selling them to different universities like the University of Michigan.
And then they had to rebrand, so now they're the
College of Medicine at the University of Cincinnati.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
So go back at.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Well, if you know this story, I mean tied to
that though, is you know Bill Cunningham right of course?
Uh noon to three. One of his ancestors, Old Cunney,
was a grave robber in Cincinnati, is true, honest to
god facts. Ask him about it and he'll tell you.
We'll probably have to We're going to talk to him
at five o'clock. Again, we have to ask him to
(13:21):
go through all this. But yeah, he was. He was
a grave robber for that very reason. It was profitable, so.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
He was a very rich man. I can we will
make me a dollar twenty five a day and one
hundred and twenty five dollars to a body.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I was going to say one hundred and twenty five
dollars a body that went a long way back then. Man, huge,
Yeah he did.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
It's about I think it's about fifteen hundred dollars today,
But to go way back.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 7 (13:48):
You guys asked me if i'd had the experiences recently
on that to Queen City haunted. Not only do we
go through washing Pok, but we go into the Symphony Hotel.
Have you guys been to the Symphony Hotel right by
Music Hall.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I've seen it, but I've never been.
Speaker 7 (14:01):
I have not.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
That's kids.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
You guys probably give it a wide berth. You're like, oh,
it feels creepy. You should send your producers in there.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Yeah, the night, Yeah, tell him to spend the night.
Speaker 7 (14:15):
In the Mozart room. So the Symphony Hotel back in
the nineteen forties, was called the Clyde Hotel, which you
could rent a room for just a couple of hours,
and there was a lady of the night. We'll call
her Monica. Her name is actually Monica, but we'll call
her a lady of the night. But you know what
she kind of did for work. And in the Mozart
room she was murdered by a client who was unsatisfied,
(14:38):
and then he rolled her in the carpet and stuffed
her under the bed. And she is very active in
that room. The other week, I had a couple on
the tour. The boyfriend obviously didn't want to be there.
He'd been like dragged there and we left the Mozart
room and he's like, Miranda, I just said, something really
weird happened. I thought my girlfriend put her arm around
my waist, but then I looked at her and she
was like on the other side of the room. Still
(15:00):
likes to flirt with the men. And if you stay
the night in the room, as your producer will obviously do,
if you're laying alone in the bed, you'll feel the
bed settle next to you as if somebody has gotten
into the bed with you, and the sheets get flipped
up and people get their feet tickled, so we think
it's Monica still doing her job.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Wow, that sounds like my single days with the With that, Miranda,
we will, we will let you go. People want to
find out more about these ghost tours, where can they go?
Speaker 7 (15:30):
Just to American Legacy Tours dot com. I would encourage
them to book soon because we are filling up to
this last weekend appointed season. And Eddie, Now, I'm just
thinking about your single days and your feet being tickled.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
So I guess you guys can talk, could have.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Better ghost kudos. I don't know what was going on,
doesn't matter, It doesn't matter, Miranda, Thanks so much.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
All right, I can't wait to see you guys in
sludy costumes out together.
Speaker 6 (15:55):
It'll be great.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Get to get your kangaroo together and kangaroo and ready
off we go. I love it, alright, saved, thanks brand
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