Rocky & Jason -- 12/3/25

Rocky and Jason talk with Jack Greiner, Lisa Miller, Chuck Martin, Royal Oakes, and more on 700 WLW!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Alongside the one, the only, Jason Williams, the third day
in a row. Jason, howwy good brother? How you doing? Man?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I am good. So it's that time of year.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Everyone's getting packages and packages and packages and packages delivered
to their house, which means you're a soft target for
porch pirates, right those folks that they drive up, they
jump out of the car, steal your package, jump.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
In the car, and none you can do about it. Well,
we'll flip off your ring camera for you one exactly
like a face at it. Right. Well, I think there's
a lot of people out there, I'm certainly one of
them to think, you know, the like it's just some
good old fashioned street justice. Have some frontier.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Justice would maybe stop this? And is there something we
can do?

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Can we booby trap a package and allow it to
blow up on them? If we've seen the videos online,
they're hilarious and I think justified.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
But is it legal? And join us right now? Is
attorney to the Stars.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
He's the first m an attorney here in town, the one,
the only Jack grind Or Jack Howell are you hey?

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Roc?

Speaker 5 (01:01):
Are you doing good luck to your bombers this weekend?
I want to make sure I get that.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
In before I appreciate it. Yeah, it's a big one.
All comes down to this, we'll good, well, thank you.
So yeah, and you wrote a good, a great op
ed for the the Inquiry here talking about that, and.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
You know a lot of folks I feel I feel
the same way I do.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's like, you know, one way to to stop this
from happening is just a good some good old fashioned
retribution here.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
But legally speaking, can we do such things?

Speaker 5 (01:32):
Well, yes and no, or maybe I should say no
and yes.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
Uh, A reader, a guy who reads my column wrote
me an email and said, hey, I heard about this,
can you can you write about it? So that's how
it came about. I hadn't really given them a whole
lot of thought, to.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Be honest with you.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
But so I think that.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
If you.

Speaker 5 (01:56):
Injure somebody and you do it intentionally, and sometimes the
law uses the word wantonly, uh, you can be liable
for that injury. Now, And that's why I say yes
and no. So yes, there can be liability, but there

(02:16):
has to be some sort of injury. I mean, if
it is just a you know, if it's a glitter bomb.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
But is everybody's seen online some great videos. They steal
the package, they run out and boom a giant puff
of a bye or whatever.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
So I don't think there's gonna be liability, you know,
for just that kind of prank. I mean, you know,
unless the guy wants you to pay his dry cleaning
or something like that. But I don't think that's probably
gonna happen. So uh, I think that. But the risk
is if it if something goes wrong and you know,
somehow or another the device you know, injures that person,

(02:54):
perhaps burns them or uh, you know, causes eye problems
for example, or you know, inhalation of it is you know,
becomes a problem. So there really can be and and
the law says that the level of care that you
owe to somebody as a homeowner really depends on why

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that person is on your property. So if you've been
if you've invited someone uh to come, you know, a
plumber or something, and there's some unsafe situation in your house,
and you know, the plumber steps on the rate that
you left on the front porch and pronks their head,
You've got liability to that to that plumber. That's the

(03:38):
highest level because you have you have invited that person
in if you've got what are called licensees, and that
is people who are come to your property for a
purpose of their own. So think of a you know,
a girl scout selling cookies. You've you've got a duty

(03:58):
to take care of any known dangers, but you're not
liable for something that's that's unforeseen like you would be
with an invite. The third category is the trespasser, and
you have no liability typically to a trespasser, except for
intentional actions that you take with respect to the to

(04:21):
the trespasser. I think the underlying reason for this, the
principle under it is that, you know, if you booby
trap that thing and some innocent person comes and just
bumps it or something, and it goes off and causes
them injury, the law wants to prevent that. So in
order to sort of prevent injury to innocent people, you know,

(04:44):
the law says that the homeowner can be liable for
intentional conduct even if it harms a non innocent person.
And it sounds a little counterintuitive, but but that really
is the law.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Jack Loves Your Love your op ed on susame dot
com and you touched on everything you just said here.
You touched on that in your column. What I'm confused
on is the trespasser piece, because aren't you wouldn't you
be considered if you're a porch pirate, You've come onto
my ear. You're trespassing on my property, right, and so
wouldn't you are?

Speaker 5 (05:16):
And you're you're a trespasser, uh, and therefore you are
the least, you know, the lowest duty that a homeowner owns,
and that means that the homeowner is is not liable
for anything that happens unless the homeowner, you know, caused
it intentionally, So that means rigging up a glitter bomb.

(05:38):
That means, you know, having an anvile drop on their
head if you're wildly coyote or something.

Speaker 6 (05:43):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
But that's uh.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
But that's it.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
You know.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
I've looked on YouTube. I was curious about whether I
could find any cases that actually where this actually came up.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (05:56):
You know, you can imagine that if I'm defending the
homeowner again the porch pirate, I feel pretty good going
into the case almost no matter what I did. I
think the jury is going to be pretty sympathetic to
the homeowner. So if there's not much casel that I
could find I did find something on YouTube where a
porch pirate who was absolutely.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
Caught in the act. I mean it was on the
ring camera and they it was.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
It was a man and a woman working together the woman.
The man waited in the car while the woman went
up to the porch, grabs the package, starts to run away,
and she trips and falls on the landscaping and really
messes up her ankle. The man jumps out of the car,
helps her into the car, then goes back and gets

(06:45):
the package, and she sued the homeowner for damages from
her ankle injury, and the court the judge just threw
it out immediately and you know, let her know what
he thought of her.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (07:03):
And again but that fall, he had a gut really Uh.
The hold owner didn't do anything intentionally to hurt that person, right.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
So that's that's.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
An illustration of how it works. Whereas you know, it's
the plumber, Uh, somebody you invited on tripped over the
landscape and you might have a problem. So that's that's
how the law draws the line. But it does seem
you know, I get it where you think, Well, wait
a minute, Like I said in my column, you mean
the Harry and mart and Home alone could sue Kevin McAllister,

(07:37):
And actually they probably could, just Kevin was was clearly
intending to harm them.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
Right.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
But using your rake example, Jack, just to kind of
sum it all up. If there's just happened to be
a rake you left in your yard and someone you
know steals a package and they're running out and they
step on that thing and it goes through their foot,
you're not liable. But if you purposefully put the rake
in there for a way for them to get hurt

(08:05):
while they're trustpassing on your yard, then you are liable,
which seems crazy, but that's the breakdown, right have.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
You if you intended to cause the injury, Uh, You've
you've got a problem. Uh So that's yeah. And again
that's really to to protect innocent people who might get
you know, collateral damage. It's trying to I guess, reduce
collateral damage as much as possible.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Well, Jack will listen. It has been great. We appreciate
your time. I've got to let you go because I
got to go home and diffuse a bunch of uh
smoke bombs and packages at my house after talking with
you here.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
Well, I'm glad to be of service, Rocky, And I'm
not going to send you a billy.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
That's great.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Just send one to you know, yeah, send one to
him he needs it.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yes, Well, Jack has been great, brother, I really appreciate
and uh, if we don't talk before, I have a
great high all day man you too, Yes, yep, thanks
to yah. I think so, because that would it would
stop the problem. Right, it should be all about society
should be the greater goal should be how do we
get people to stop from doing this? Well, it's impossible

(09:16):
for every cop to be at every house. But a
way of stopping this is if there's enough people that
see on video that there's folks out there that have
packages and one of them could be wired up to
blow up with die or hell anything explosives, it would
stop the problem. Yeah, that's the problem with society. You

(09:36):
forgot lawyers, Well you forgot to ask a key question.
How many times has Jack Grinder covered my butt? Exactly?
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Speaker 2 (11:39):
On this day in History, nineteen ninety two.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
How about this, The first SMS text message is sent. Uh, well, Bob,
it's that far back. Yeah. Neil Papworth, who was a
twenty two year old engineer, uses a personal computer to
send a text message of Merry Christmas to the Vodaphone

(12:04):
network to the phone of a colleague. Papworth was working
for the now defunct Anglo French IT Services company, was
part of a team developing a short Message Service Center
SMSC for the British telecommunications company Vota Phone in the UK.
When they started getting the technology together together for it,

(12:28):
sat out a computer terminal and sent the simple message
to the mobile phone of Richard Jarvis, director of Vodaphone,
who was attending holiday party. Quote it didn't feel momentous
at all, Papworth later said, for me, it was just
getting my job done on the day and ensuring that
our software that we've been developing for a good year
was working okay. Shortly after, Papworth received a call from

(12:52):
the Christmas party letting him know that the outgoing message
was received, so they couldn't text back from the phone
to the computer.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
And that was way, way, way too complicated back then.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
But then then, and then one year later, and it's
amazing how quickly things happen after this. One year later,
Nokia released the first cell phone with the SMS feature,
but messages uh then limited to one hundred and sixty
characters due to bandwidth constraints could only be sent within
the same mobile network, so you can send a Nokia

(13:24):
to Nokia. Had they caught it? Like, was there a
cost to it as well? I wonder yes? And yeah.
Phone networks would finally allow users SMS across rival combretes
in nineteen eighty nine as a means of casual communic communication.
But but yeah, you had to there was a pretty

(13:44):
substantial costs involved with it. Okay, so uh, text message
the medi of communication blossom with the introduction of d
T nine system, which is you know a little bit
of of the it was still the you know, you
got hit two yeah three times to get to see
and all that. In the UK, the birthplace of texting,
SMS messaging exploded in popularity. By February two thousand and one,

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about one billion texts were being sent every month and
users were being charged here you go ten pence a text,
and then by twenty ten reported that two hundred thousand
text messages were being sent every minute. By twenty twelve,
actually the texting started to see ad steady decline because

(14:29):
now there's all there's you know, there's Facebook Messenger, there's
fifty different things. That's one thing I complained about is
there's so many different ways to like communicate. There's text,
there's email, there's your work email, there's Facebook messenger, there's Instagram,
you know message. It's it's crazy. I feel lucky to
I was born. I remember the rotary telephone when I

(14:53):
was young, right, the one where we had to put
your finger in it and spin it. Then, of course
the dial phone became popular. And then remember the days
of the pager. My dad would not let me have
a pager, even though it was kind of cool when
I was in like, you know, middle school. Then cell
phones and then cell phones that allowed you to text.
I remember distinctly being in college. I've always said I

(15:15):
didn't have a cell phone until my senior year. This
was nineteen or shoot me, two thousand and two. I
got when I think I was oh three, okay, yeah,
I mean I held off. Oh yeah, I mean, well
you would have been too, like, oh two, yeah, I
have a long time, yeah, a long time in the office.
Finally was like you gotta get one, right yeah, And

(15:38):
of our little core group of friends, uh to, my
buddies had one, and and I remember I distinctly remember
I remember where I was when My one buddy was like,
you know, I was like, did you call Butler? It
was our friend Matt Butler, and I was like yeah.
He didn't answer. He's like, well, just you can send
him a text message and tell him we're gonna be
I'm like, what, what is what is that? He's like,

(16:01):
you can just text him the address we're gonna be.
I'm like, that's the dumbest thing ever. Why don't I
just I'll just wait a little bit and I'll call him,
Like why would you? I couldn't. I couldn't at the
time my wrap my head around the fact that why
wouldn't you? Why would you sit there and text a
message when you can just call somebody and have a
conversation about and and to this day, there's a time

(16:21):
and a place for text messaging, right, but there's a
time and a place for an actual phone call, and
less and less people want to get on the phone
and talk about something and peopext back and forth. Twenty seven.
I hate it two thoughts. I hate group texts. I
hate I hate him. I held off for the longest
time on participating in them, on sending them, and and

(16:45):
then you know, I this group, like my wife is
just in a million and like in like this group
or our friends in Wyoming, and like we got we
got a group text for our pick of the week pool,
we got a group text for our you know couple,
the couples that are friends, and we got a group
text for you know whatever. There's another another big one

(17:06):
off of our baseball team and another baseball team, and
it's just like you know, and there's times and I'll
when I was like yesterday, all the group text was
going because of sledding. You know, the kids were out.
I get out, I get out of here radio, and
I've got twenty seven text messages. It's all from this
one group. I don't go back and read all those. No,

(17:26):
I just don't. No, No, there's that one. And the
other thing that bugs me is when people want to
want to like, you know, make big decisions or you know,
want to talk a you know, some major thing that
it's like, dude, it would be much faster to pick
the phone up here and talk back and forth.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
Right.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
I agree. I couldn't agree more. But you also hear
like you know, a certain generation they just let us
make major decisions over like hey, I'm breaking up with
you like, oh yeah, come on, that's the fault of
text message is allowed a like a non like you know,
human human contact conversation. So it's you know, there's it

(18:09):
doesn't it's not as hard. Yeah, it's harder if you
got to tell I used to. I say this all
the time too when I had my training business. You know,
at the time, kids would text like five minutes before
their workout was supposed to start, like I'm not gonna
make it like no, no, no, yeah, you if you're going
to cancel a workout, you must call me and go
through the one hundred and twenty seconds of uncomfortableness and

(18:29):
me kind of you know, getting on you about canceling
my workout that and go that late. But yeah, it's yeah,
they just do it because it's just it's it's kind
of an easier thing to do. But I sent you
a text about that, coach.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Oh god.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, Now that is the world we live in, where
I sent you a text or you didn't get the email. Yeah,
you didn't get the email. Yeah, I mean between texts
and emails, I went with the average amount of of
those sort of messages I get, or the average person
gets in a day because it's it's a hundreds hundreds.
I just wish you would all go into one inbox

(19:05):
and I could just see it all. I'd see my text.
But the problem is with emails. It's like the inquire
I get so and you it's same probably here for
you at iHeart. There is so much junk mail that
comes in there and muddies the waters and pushes good
emails down if you end up missing it. Yeah, I
know my work email here, I I because I'll get

(19:27):
eighty junk emails or pitches or something. They're all junk.
And then you missed you missed your email a day
or two, and then it's like, did you get my email?
No I didn't. Oh wait, let me go back and look.
Oh there it is like but it's three three hundred
and fifty emails down right, you know. And I'm not
I'm not joking. It's just like, uh, and then you're right.

(19:50):
It's funny you mentioned about the Facebook messenger somehow last
it was last week. I'm just sitting there watching TV.
I got Facebook up, so I just like I never
check Facebook men, So I go down the rabbit hole
of well, I scroll through. I mean, I got messages
from people I hadn't heard from forever sending me hey
I saw your column, like yeah, you know, and I'm like,

(20:10):
oh man, I'm bummed out I didn't respect message. I'm like, like,
I don't. Too many I got. I got text messages.
I got an email, a personal email, a professional email. Heck,
I've got an email here at iHeart is like percent

(20:32):
of them or I'll just be asked. Your day could
go on perfectly fine without them. But I got another
rule to where if you send me an email and
it's over three lines, I'm not reading it. Yeah, I'm
just just not like so like, yeah, send me, Hey,
let's let's talk about this, okay, and then then it's important.
But if it's like some or a text message, that's

(20:53):
that due. My mom is the worst. That's sending email
linked text messages. It's a it's a running it's a
running joke in our family. It was so funny.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
We've got a couple of calls.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
This is great. Here, let's go to a Greg way
way down in Critin and Greg fire away.

Speaker 10 (21:07):
What do you.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Got, Rocky?

Speaker 5 (21:10):
You were talking about remembering a roadary phone and I
had a recent conversation with some gim Z relatives and
if they knew what.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
A party line was.

Speaker 5 (21:23):
Yeah, yeah, the eight people that could be on the
phone at once and you'd have to wait to use
the phone, then come.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Out of semi private line was only.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
Two people, and then it come out you could actually
get a private line. But yeah, they were just laughing
and they couldn't believe it.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
That that was a little before me.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
But I remember, like, you know, my my mom and
dad talking about that were yeah, because like the neighborhood
ladies would kind of listening on the line, they could
hear the conversations right between you and the other neighbor lady. Right, oh, yeah,
I remember the phone. Yeah yeah, I'm telling my mom
and his friend to get off the phone and he

(22:03):
need to cut the damn tell.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Us that's it, Greg, Thank you, buddy, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
No, no, no, thank you to your point about busy signal,
and I mean that was the thing I remember call
waiting and it was like I feel like it was
less than five dollars a month to get as my
dad my parents refused to get can we get it?
And he said absolutely not. I said I'll pay for it,
absolutely not. Not doing it, but yeah, in high school,

(22:30):
you call it called my girlfriend's busy, and it's like
and then he finally like, oh yeah, my mom was
on the phone.

Speaker 11 (22:36):
Right.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah. God, it's just so so much harder and easier
back then.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Uh, let's go to Mason. Talk to Brett, Brett fire Away.

Speaker 8 (22:45):
What do you got, hey, Rocky, Hey, I used to
work for a paging company called Arch and that's when
the that was just when the uh you know, the
big displays of the two fifty six characters or wherever
it came out. So there was a there was a
monitoring system, there was a this was like this giant computer,
but it had a tiny screen on it. It was maybe

(23:07):
double the size of the ones on the pager, right,
And we would this was way back when it all started,
so those things would flow through there, but there weren't
that many people in there, so we'd go get lunch,
go get chairs, sit there and watch guys cheating on
their whys, guys making drug deals.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
All kinds of insanity.

Speaker 8 (23:27):
Movie just like read it and sit there and eat
lunch and be entertained all the time. Because as the
pages were new, everybody was using and stuff.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
That's great and Brett fag you buy that's funny. Yeah.
I remember a couple of buddies in high school text
message and the thing you would always because you would,
you'd call it and it would say the number that
it would and then but everybody had their would use
like their football number to.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Say who it was.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
So I was twenty five and then if you want
to if it was, you put nine to one one
after it. That was like, oh, you gotta call me
right now. I mean that kids, This was how it
went back in the day. So I got to say,
we're way late for a break. Let's check some trafficking weather.
How are we looking at that? I just texted it
to you.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
No, I'm kidding from that good, I didn't good.

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Eddie's out and alongside Jason Williams and Jason. Eddie and
I often talk about AI. You and I when you're
filling in talk about AI at all? Yeah, about it
because it is a big thing. I think a lot
of people are scared of it and they wonder is
it going to replace them? Because you do see it
replacing some jobs out there, and seemingly, ever increasingly more

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and more tasks that it can do better than any human.
And you see a lot of the industry is now
using AI and chat GPT to do kind of small tasks,
now mid size tasks. And I mean you're talking about
going up against something that you know knows everything right.

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It is a database of all the written material about
whatever subject matter is out there, and they can process
it and flip it up in a matter of seconds.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
So it's hard to compete with.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
So but again you see it use more and more
different places now from what I'm reading, Jason, it's being
used to help choose Christmas gifts. Yes, we can't even
choose our own Christmas gifts anymore. Join us right now
to discuss such thing as Lisa W. Millers. She is
a researcher and author. Lisa, Welcome to the program. How
are you good?

Speaker 6 (26:47):
Thanks for having me back?

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Very good. Yeah, So I guess I mean is this
I imagine a kind of a newer thing now. But
what specifically are are people doing in terms of using
AI for their Christmas gift selection?

Speaker 6 (27:03):
Well, I just got a survey back at about a thousand consumers,
and basically the consumers are saying, yes, you nailed it.
They are using AI to help find the perfect gift,
and it's just gifts in general. But the other thing
is it's more personalized gifts. But the interesting big insight
was when I look at it, like this year versus

(27:26):
last year, what consumers are doing a lot less with
AI is trying to find the best deal. So because
if you think about it, if you get all those
links and chat tobt or any of the other AI platforms,
you click on the link and the price is different
or it's out of stock, and so it's actually being
less reliable for the deals and the best prices. But

(27:49):
when it comes to finding the right gift that's really personalized,
consumers are all in.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
So I guess for an example, like someone's like, okay,
am I mother in law. I don't know what to
get her. So you go, okay, my mother in law
is you know, sixty years old. She lives in the Midwest.
She likes horses. Boom. You just plug all these things
in and it spits you out what they think is
a good gift. Is that how it works?

Speaker 6 (28:15):
Yeah, exactly, and so yeah, So imagine a child, a parent,
a coworker. If you can just put in a few
think of it like creating a little persona like this
person loves the outdoors. This person loves you know, different
colors or bright colors or more black and white colors,
you know, for clothing. And so you put in all
these little descriptions like a little narrative. And the interesting

(28:38):
thing is it's kind of the way our brains work anyway,
is that you know, we know the people were buying
gifts for. But sometimes it's just hard. Websites today they're
very very practical. You have to say, oh, I want
an appliance or I need a gadget. So today it's
actually it's interesting you can create I think you can
create a pretty personalized gift.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Lisa. Do you even in some cases do you even
have to put even that much information and say, if
you know, I'm you know, I'm constantly searching for baseball
equipment for my son's baseball apparel equipment, Like I am
looking for a gift, you know, I just if I
went into you know, one of the AI software and said,

(29:22):
what's a good gift for my son? Could it even
pull some of my search history or algorithms and see like,
oh yeah, here's a baseball one on one T shirt
that he would.

Speaker 6 (29:31):
Want or something well that I think that is like
the probably billion trillion dollar question right now, because right
now it is based on it's based on more of
what you're prompting it with. You know, what I think
is so funny in today's world is our language has
actually even changed due to AI. So instead of saying,

(29:52):
let's pop in a question, we say what's the right
prompt you know, and so the language of how we
even talk about it's interesting. But to answer is that
those integrations now, if it's in a chat, like if
you're in one of the chat modes, it would go
a little bit about about that, but relative to all
of your browsing history and all that, that's not really

(30:14):
a part of how it's working today. So for your son,
you would have to put in he likes baseball, he's
ten years old. I live, you know, in where you live,
and so those are the things that will just provide
better answers, because otherwise you'll get super generic and that
may just be frustrating not helpful.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Lisa W.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
Miller's Our Guests. He's a researcher and author us. He
writes and discuss a lot about AI. So I'm confused,
Lisa on how do the producers of these products?

Speaker 4 (30:43):
Right?

Speaker 1 (30:43):
The companies, how are they reacting if they know that
people are using AI to select Christmas gifts? What in
turn are they doe to make you buy more of
their stuff?

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (30:56):
And that again is the billion dollar question. And so
recently Walmart actually is partnering with open Ai and they created,
of course a little sparky which is their icon, the
little yellow star icon, little button there, and that will
help you tie your AI chats to Walmart. But so

(31:20):
today the retailers they are kind of all, I don't say,
up in arms, but the retailers today are definitely a
little concerned and worried about it. Because it used to
be Google search companies would pay to say, hey, if
you type in a coffee maker, you know, I want,

(31:41):
you know, williams Noma to come up, So I'm going
to pay Google to put Williams Noma's coffee maker at
the top or the cured coffee maker at the top,
and marketers paid for that. Well, that model doesn't exist
in chat GPT, at least not yet, and hopefully you
know that will be a whole different thing. But so
those searches are really in open AI, are not sponsored,

(32:04):
and so that's a really refreshing thing for consumers. But
the retailers and product manufacturers are absolutely trying to say,
how do I get selected first?

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Well, along those same lines too, isn't Walmart and Target
both working on partnering with some AI organizations?

Speaker 6 (32:24):
They are, Yeah, they are, And so what's happening is
Walmart will create it's an algorithm through open AI, and
then Target will create their algorithm through open AI. But
they're going to be different. So it would just be
like me putting in my chat versus you putting in
your chat. What it fits out is going to be

(32:45):
different because what I put the questions I put in
are going to be different.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
So they say, here's the million dollar question, and I
guess maybe it's a two points. It really delves into
do people want a gift that they like or is
it the thought that counts. Do people would they rather
get a gift that their loved one or friend sat
down and thought and thought about them, and thought about

(33:10):
their relationship and thought about what they really want as
a gift, or that person just plugged in the chat
GBT and got them a gift.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
What what do people say is they would rather have?

Speaker 6 (33:21):
Well, it's so's that's a great question. I The short
answer is, in today's world, and I think this is
a big insight, people are prioritizing the right gift over
the cheapest gift because everybody's talking about, yes, the economy
is not doing well, but it's not about just finding
the best deal or the best lowest price. You want

(33:45):
to have a gift that they're that person's going to like.
So that's point one. But to answer your question more directly,
it's it there's no universal answer. One of the other
projects I can't wait to share with you guys, I'm
working on this idea of people are like embarrassed to
say that they're using chat ChiPT. Not everybody, but there's

(34:05):
a group of people that are like, oh man, I
don't want anybody to know. I feel like I'm breaking
some code, moral code, that I'm you know, using chat
GPT to help with this, but that's not everybody, and
so they're they're definitely people that are like, Wow, this
is awesome, this thoughtful gift is better than I could
have ever come up with on my own, and that
so some people believe that, but then others are very

(34:28):
much like, oh, they're kind of just you know, sneaking
away in a closet and just like, okay, chat GPT
helped me, but they don't want anybody to know they
use chat GPT. So we're in this really weird inflection
point about how people feel, how it reflects on yourself
if people find out that they use CHATCHI people.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
You've been doing We've been googling that stuff, I mean,
is it not really the concept doesn't any I mean
I've googled like birthday gift ideas from my wife before,
like anniversary gifts. I feel like this is a like
a step too far that I feel I can see
how thoughtful you got me this get you didn't think
of it. The machine thought of it, right, And it's

(35:10):
a good point.

Speaker 6 (35:11):
Here's the thing, but it's a great question. Is this
is the debate about a I love it. This is
a debate about AI right now, because we all have
been using Google search exactly what you just said, I
need help with a birthday gift, right, and it's given
us choices. But but now we can actually get a
better answer by providing more information. So whoever's gave the

(35:33):
gift actually might like it better, but somehow we feel
worse about it. It's just an interesting psychology. I can't
wait to keep tracking it.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
It's certainly a very interesting just thought exercise of I
just wonder in the future, will we be as humans
be able to do anything without help. I just to
be able to process a thought and do critical thinking
and justify the plus minuses and make a selection, or
are we gonna need help all the time. But that's

(36:03):
for another yea, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (36:05):
No, I was just gonna say I actually have data
on that, because there are people that actually are believing
that AI is helping them be more creative and more
have better critical thinking, because it's like a thought partner.
But again, on the other side, there are people that
are saying, wow, I just did not thinking anymore. So
I think it's we as humans have to control how

(36:28):
we're using it. If we just spit something in there
and copy paste it and put it someplace, you know,
like in an email, then no, I think that's going
to make us all dumber. But if we use it
as a more you know, asking questions and thinking more
about it, then that's a different outcome. So the jury
is still out for sure.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah. I just worry that people are going to take
the easy route. What gets this done quicker so I
can get back to scroll on Instagram. I just I
feel like that's that's what's a danger here. But Lisa,
we got to run. But really appreciate your time on this.
If folks want to find out more about you and
what you do, where can they go? What can they do?

Speaker 6 (37:04):
Yes, you can just look up Lisa W. Miller and
then you can use the hashtag journey back to joy
and they'll find all my content.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
All right, I'll type that in chat GBT. You know,
I'm just kidding, Lisa. But we appreciate your time and
maybe we'll do it again. Thank you, Thanks Lisa, Thank
you Bye. It is interesting, right, because that's what I was. Oh, no,
just enhances my ability to do work? Is enhances?

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Or is it kind of doing it for you? It
seems to me like.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
You make a great point about Yeah, like we we've
all typed stuff into Google and and and all that.
But I just feel like this is the next step
of removing ourselves from the whole process even more. I
think there's more bad than good with AI. I think so.
But I'm I'm kind of I'm old school. I'm kind
of old schooler. Yeah exactly. I just wonder, I do

(38:00):
I wonder do we get to the point where can
we do anything? Can we problem solved? Can we even
have an even just a general opinion about something without
typing it in your your device, Because I mean, the
mind is like any It's not a muscle, but it's
like a muscle, and that it needs to be exercised.
And if you're constantly not doing critical thinking an exercise

(38:23):
in your mind, you lose the ability to do that.
And then it's like somebody says, hey, rock, what do
you think about this?

Speaker 7 (38:28):
Right?

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Well, I don't know, and everyone just kind of like
reaches for their phone and goes, well, I'll type it
in and see what it says. That's no fun, that's
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Up at the top of the hour. This is pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
We have the head coach of the Miami Redhax, Chuck Martin. Okay,
it's heading to his third straight MAC title game. A
crazy season. I don't have him, you know, talk about
all the ins and outs of it. But as seasons
are hard enough dealing with, you know, the ups and
the downs, and the injuries and all this and that,
but a few other things having to pop up with

(41:16):
this program this year.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
And in spite of all that, the RedHawks.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Are going to the underrated Martin man. That guy is
just very a steady hand there at Miami. Yes, and
uh so, yeah, we're gonna talk to him, not just
about his team, but also some of the bigger issues
of college football right now, which brings us to our topic.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Now I'd like to discuss with you.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yes, you know, because the new the new playoff rankings
came out last night, right, Yeah, so, and I'm pulling
them up as we as we speak here. I I
get here's my my main thing I want to say
on it. Like usually when you get to the end
of something, that's when it gets That's when I'm supposed

(41:57):
to get really exciting, and the payoff is supposed to
be huge and it's supposed to be dialed in, right,
I feel like we're we we had all a great
college football season, and it's like, right at the end
when it's supposed to be fun and everyone's into and
everyone understands what's going on, there's so much ambiguity and
craziness between the coaches leaving and and you know, and

(42:19):
and players opting now and then with the whole CFP,
it's it's so hard to understand. And I'm this is
my job to understand the college football playoffs and all
the things they look at, and even I can't understand
and justify some of the rankings of these teams. I mean,
point a in the ACC title game, Okay, a seven

(42:41):
and five duke team is going to play a ten
and two Virginia team, a seven and five team, and
none of that. Neither of those will will make the
playoff even they win, even if they win, so but
Miami is likely going to get I just feel like, again,
it's so convoluted and confusing. Is so was supposed to
be exciting, and it's like everyone's like, what huh, what's

(43:04):
going on with this, and then you throw on top
of that, you're irish getting bumped down a spot after
a twenty eight point win. They get bumped down to
from nine to ten. Basically them in Alabama get flip flopped.
Alabama basically had to go forward and fourth and yeah,

(43:26):
so you make that one makes sense. I know a
lot of I know a lot of folks on social
media were ticked about that one, and rightfully so. I
mean notre dame with them, really, I think a much.
They have a much better resume in terms of the
teams they've beaten and what they've beaten them by Alabama
squeaking by what Auburn they squeak by. I don't have

(43:47):
their schedule. There's a couple other teams that you would
think they would have beaten handily that they just barely beat. So,
you know, a lot of a lot of buzz about
a SEC bias and the whole thing is just it.
I don't find it to be. I mean, yeah, if

(44:08):
you were a fan of a handful of teams, but
unlike basketball, like you know you are not, it's not
the incentive is not there to think like, oh, my
team's got a shot to make the tournament. Now, Now,
you know, if you're a fan of a really good
mid major basketball program, you're not gonna win the national championship.

(44:31):
But I know my team's got a shot to make
the tournament. I know my team's got a shot to
maybe win a game, maybe even get too sweet sixteen.
That's not football like we like. It really ticks, especially
as a fan of lifelong fan of Marshall Thundering Herd.
Like the little guy is rewarded in so many sports,
or is really championed. The underdog is championed in so

(44:55):
many except for college football. Yes, and it's it's so frustrating,
so fruv it's champion on the on the basketball side,
at least on college basketball side. Now you can argue, like,
you know, the underdog is not really champion in Major
League Baseball, right, you know, it's the Dodgers and the
Yankees and they're Blue Jet, you know, all the big
money teams, and then the Reds and the Pirates are

(45:15):
all kind of like, eh, whatever, you don't you're you know,
you you're you're left out in the cold because there's
no salary cap, right, But I don't know, man, it
just I feel like part of the beauty of college
sports has always been the the underdog aspect of it.
And like that the underdog is completely and I don't know,
I'm not just talking about even like group of five

(45:37):
types of teams. I'm talking about even really a great
majority of the power for types of teams are are
really kind of cut out of this as well. They are.
But you know, I will play devil's advocate for that because,
especially in this scenario, one of the because a group
of five team is guaranteed to get in under this
under the new rules and regulations of it, correct, which

(46:00):
is going to be this year, what likely a possibly
what Tulane Tulane is right now Texas Currently Tulane is
the highest ranked group of five team. They are in
there at number twenty at ten. And so my devil's
advergate argument to your argument about and I understand what
you're saying about having the a G five team in
is Notre Dame is likely going to get left out

(46:23):
of this playoff, but.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Tulane gets in. I don't disagree with that.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Got you got a Notre Dame team, that's that's you know,
gone ten and two. Their first two losses were the
first two losses of the season. You know, new line,
brand new quarterback, you know, and he lost to a
Miami team by and he lost to Texas A and
M by one point. I agree, And you don't go
to the playoff because because we got to get we
gotta finally get Tulane in s Yeah. See, And I

(46:49):
don't in the way the format is currently, I don't
disagree with that so much. But I think this is
a year where you could I think a year like
this makes the argument for expanding even beyond me. This
is this the first year for twelve teams, second the
second year, okay, yeah, And I think this is the
year where you can make the argument for expanding to

(47:11):
sixteen because there's gonna be a lot of good teams
left out of this.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
But then the arguments we're gonna have the same argument.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
It's going to be about the seventeenth and eighteen nineteen teams.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Right.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
I just feel like we got to get to we've
got to get the committee out of this. So there's
got to get a way to get the committee because
they're so inconsistent on what they value in some rankings,
they value eye tests. In other words, how does this
team look and in a theoretical match, who would win
if it won by eye test?

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Notre Dame passes the test.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
But head to head and I understand this argument, it's
hard hard to battle that argument. When Miami beat Notre Dame,
it's hard to say Notre Dame should go in the
playoff over Miami. I get that, but there's there's so
much inconsistency from week to week, year to year on
what the committee values.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
That's what I don't like.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Well exactly, now you've gotten me thinking, because then that
that leads to there is no uniformity on the non
conference schedule, right, so schools can you know, like what
is the incentive? Like what Ohio State place Texas? You know, So,
like they go out and they schedule a big team.

(48:24):
Obviously Notre Dame is an independent, They're going to schedule
a lot of heavyweights. But then there's some of these
other teams like that they don't schedule anyone, they don't
schedule any power conferences in their non conference and it's
just like Indiana, great example. But it's like so then
and again this is this goes to the bigger bigger
picture of there is no governing body here, there is

(48:46):
no commissioner, there is no set of rules, and you
can get down the rabbit hole of you know, there's
no salary cap, there's no like who's paying billion dollar
industry that has volunteers that that run it, that's to come.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
It's crazy now. And to your point right there about.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Texas, because yeah, you and Steve Sarkisian if you heard
him talk, who's the head coach of Texas?

Speaker 2 (49:09):
He paid that point, which is, hey, yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
We're nine and three, yep, but one of our losses
in the first game of the season was the Ohio State,
the number one team in the nation right now, and
he said, and I agree with him. Had we scheduled
Old Dominion week one and beat the hell out of
him and we're sitting here at ten and two instead
of nine and three, we would be in the playoff now.

(49:33):
I would also say, if you're him, you know they
got beat by Georgia by twenty five points. They lost
to an eight lost Florida team. That's that's the part
that doesn't really job with his argument. They needed overtime
to beat UK. But yeah, you can have a situation
where teams are are not are trying to schedule cupcake
games instead of these great early season at of conference games.

(49:56):
A Fanwood doesn't want that exactly. You go to Old
miss Ole Misses another example there. Their non conference schedule
was Georgia State, which I believe won one game this season,
yes two lane, which really is this year. They were
more like a power conference team. That's a solid I mean,
but you don't know when you schedule that, and certainly
the perception of it. Washington State, which is no longer

(50:19):
a power conference team, and the citadel An FCS team
that was there for non conference games, and and so
like there being there being no rules in college football
of you saying, hey that your your your schedule hat
you are required to schedule one power conference team, one

(50:40):
Group of five team, and one uh, you know FCS team.
I don't know, like there's no there's just there's no
uniformity to any of this stuff. There there's no like
the you know, the unlimited amounts of transfer, you know,
like and in any like now everyone's afraid like they're
gonna get sued. Like it's there needs to be rules
put in. I saw where I was a chip Roy

(51:02):
is he the congressman? Is he from Texas? He was?
He waxed poetic about it on the floor or in
a committee meeting, I believe that was today or yesterday,
just railing on some of the things you and I
are railing on here. Yeah, and I well, I'm sitting
there watching it. I'm like, you know what, Yeah, I'm
not typically in favor of government stepping in on a
lot of things, and especially on sports or something like this.

(51:24):
But it might have to take an Act of Congress
to fix this. And that's sad to say. And then
that goes back to what I was saying yesterday, is
there's there's there's Yeah, there's not that one singular head
governing body watching out for every conference equally because all
the separate conferences. Greg Sank, for example, who runs the

(51:45):
Commissioner of the SEC, he only cares about the SEC.
Give it damn what happens the Ohio State and Penn
State and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Because yeah, so there needs to be that, but that would.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Require giving up some and the folks that run the
big ten, the folks run the SEC, don't want to
do that. But but you know, to our previous point
about the the we should want good non conference games, right,
especially at the beginning of the year. Right, and then
Sarkisian's point as well, we're kind of being penalized for

(52:20):
losing a you know, a game against the number one
team in the nation.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
What's our instentive the schedule is games? Well, here you go.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Today Alabama announced that it has agreed to move their
previously scheduled twenty twenty six matchup versus USF okay South
pretty good. Yeah, then at the beginning of twenty twenty seven.
But so they're going to replace USF, which is a
group of five but still good team I think Chattanooga.
There you go. So, so they're saying, well, we're not

(52:49):
going to get any credit for playing USF, So why
why let's remove any chance at all that we could
lose that game or not win by enough. And know
so where would where would Texas be? Let's say, if
Texas had had played, uh it scheduled I don't know,
Georgia State instead of Ohio State, they'd be ten and

(53:09):
two right now, right they their non conference was Ohio State,
San Jose State, UTEP, and Sam Houston. So you know,
I don't know this whole thing is just it's it's
very frustrating. And again it's yeah, if you're sitting there
as an Ohio State or Indiana fan right now, or

(53:30):
you know, you're like this is this, You're not frustrated
nor should you be right, but you know, for the
greater good of there might be years when when you
are sitting here in Notre Dame seat right now as
Ohio State or or Indian I mean Indian Indiana. Let's
I mean they're going to be able to sustain this
great coach. I don't know, but I mean Ohio State obviously,
they're going to be in there every year. The team

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that I think is the committee wants to screw and
they're going to screw them bad if they can. As
b YU, theyre all eleven and one, Okay, they have
a two to one record over top twenty five teams,
and they are ranked behind a ten and two Notre
Dame team that is one and two.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Versus the top twenty five.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
And I'm a Notre Dame guy admitting, hey, I would
admit in front of God and everybody that Notre Dame
schedule they don't have the quality wins that some of
these other schools do, and if you're comparing them to BYU,
you could make a good argument again at b Y
you sitting there eleven and one, but they're ranked behind
Notre Dame and they're gonna try to screw them if
they would. If they don't they get be by Texas

(54:32):
Tech in the Big Twelve title game, there's no way
they'll get in that game. And the graad you brought
them up too, because that's another piece of the schedule.
The Big Twelve decided we're gonna play nine conference games,
so they're a nine conference game league, whereas what I
think is the Big Ten and a nine conference SEC

(54:53):
is they do four non conference so that allows you
to get another cupcake versus a conference game. See, there
aren't not everybody in your conference is great, but would
you rather you know, be playing West Virginia or uh,
you know, Chattanooga.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Well, if it goes to.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Me, the most consistent thing of the committee as I
look at it over the last everman year has been
a few years, is they seem to value wins more
than get losses. So so it is telling teams that
is incentivizing them, Hey, don't take that that big risk.
Texas and schedule Ohio State as much as everybody wants

(55:33):
you to, because if you lose it, we're gonna hold
it against you. Instead, go play Sam Houston State and
blow their doors off and get that win and be
you know, eleven and one, ten and two, and you
have a better shot of making them play.

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That's what they're telling people.

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There is over many elements of college football. One thing
you can't argue, and that is the dominance of the
Miami RedHawks over the last few years. They are now
heading to their third straight MAC title game. They'll face
Western Michigan here on Saturday. And joining us right now
is the head coach of that team, A guy I
think a lot of the one the only Chuck Martin.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Chuck, how are.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
You doing good at Rockey? How you do it?

Speaker 2 (59:02):
I'm doing good here?

Speaker 1 (59:03):
So it was Look, every season's crazy in its own right.
So many unbelievable things happened, but this one in particular
was even more wild, right, Like, you know you had
to change at quarterback late in the year. Just describe
some of the things you had to go through and
keeping this thing on the rails to finish this season off, right.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
Yeah, No, we knew going into this year it was
gold be crazy. We brought in forty We had twenty
eight seniors, those guys that been here forever, took us
to back to back MAC Championship games. Gabett was actually
our quarterback in nineteen when we won it as a freshman.
He's still our quarterback in twenty four in the Max
Championship Game. So we knew it would be changing the ground.
We knew it could be a lot of just trying
to figure out. Like I would say, we went to Wisconsin,

(59:46):
It's not like our kids didn't like each other, but
we weren't a team yet because like they didn't really
even know each other. I said, you don't really get
to know each other until you actually get out there
and you get some sand kicked in your Facebook. But
then you find out who's going to have each other's back,
you know. And we start off oning three and a
gut wrenching loss to UNLV where we actually played good.
They're ten and two now and you know, playing for
a conference title. We had them beat twice three times

(01:00:08):
and let it slip away. Then we go on a
nice little run, but we lose our starting tailback, we
lost two of our top wideouts, and then you know,
we have a gut wrenching loss to OU where we
got to lead with two fifty left and have them
sacked and get a face mask, and then they win it.
And then we don't play good against Toledo, which you

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were at, and we have a new quarterback and it
didn't go well, and now we're left for dead. And then,
you know, weeks eleven or weeks weeks eleven and twelve,
we go with a new quarterback, a freshman hasn't played
all year, hasn't really even taken reps in brashe all year,
and we have back to back pretty convincing which victories
and we get in a three way tie and we
win the tie breaker basically because we beat Western and

(01:00:49):
Toledo and oh you didn't beat Western. That's really what
it comes down to. And we get to go back
to met championship and again last week the game, Clint,
you know, we got to beat ball State to get in.
We know, if we win, we're in. Thomas Kakowski a
Brail and Im for the first two touchdowns and like
on your Bingo card, like Thomas Kakowski didn't play a
snap in his college career until week eleven, and brailn

(01:01:11):
Im didn't play a snap until week seven, and he
was healthy. He just he was a he's a Richard
freshman wide out down. We like him. But we got
some good players, and we kept losing players and losing players,
and next thing, you know, Braylon itms to start wide
up for us, and I'm like, when he caught a
second touchdown, we got fourteen son like Kakowski item I
did not see this one. You know. De Chante Jones

(01:01:32):
was our fifth de Chante Jones from Glenville. He's a
redshirt freshman. He's our fifthteam tailback to start the year.
He's leading our team in touchdowns. Like you told me,
just de Chantey Jones gonna lead you in touchdown Me
like this, I think Jones probably not's gonna play this year.
We're talking about you know, so we've been through it.
Credit to the coaching staff, but credit to the kids.
They just have hung in there, hung in there, hung
in there, and next thing you know, you look up

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and somehow we're in Detroit and we played in this
game three years and roll like you said, Rocky, we
have five players that have played in MAX Championship game.
That's it. I'm bringing a hard ten kids to Detroit.
Last year when we played in it, we almost had
every like I probably had thirty some kids that had
played in the twenty three games. And then they're back
in twenty four at least, Like, well, you've got advantage.
You got all this experience. I go, none of these

(01:02:13):
kid's like, there's no one on our offense that's going
to take a rep that's played in the mac champship game,
and only five guys in our defense. I've ever wayed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
That is amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
It's pretty amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Coach, speaking of my hanging in there, You've done it.
I mean, you've withstood the test of time and in
a world where it's like, you know, if you lost
this game, oh, this guy's on the hot seat. You've
been in Miami for since twenty fourteen, You've been able
to sustain success through the just absolute craziness of college football.

(01:02:46):
How have you? How have you adjusted to that world
of transfer? Like how much different is your daily job
today versus it was even certainly when you first came to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
Miami, But even five years ago, college football has changed,
right a million folder. We all know, like it's not
the job's nothing like it's sept for when you get
between the lines, you get the coach kids. You know,
you get coach awesome kids who are trying to figure
out not only football but life. And so again, we've
done a good job because we haven't like we don't
get into the change, Like, here's the rules. We don't

(01:03:23):
We're not four, Like, what do you think of anio?
What do you think of transfer reporter? What do you
I'm like, we don't think. I ain't that Like that's
I run a company. I don't make the rules. Government
makes me, the NCAAMA, whatever makes the rules. We've just said, hey,
here's where it is. You know. Do you want to
lose your best players? No? But we're a max school.
So I can sit here and pout and screen when
Reggie Virgil makes a million dollars to go to Texas Tech,
you know, yeah. Or I can be happy for Reggie

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and be happy for my time with Reggie. Like me
and Reggie had a great three years together. And I
think he owes me and my staff some because we
developed them. But I think we owe him some too,
Like he'll just get to the MAC title game last year,
you know, and now he's got this a million dollar opportunity.
I just lost. We had a quarterback admitted forever. I
just lost them to Michigan seven days ago. I'm not

(01:04:05):
supposed to get mad at that kid. He got a
Michigan offer.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
And keep winning and get the Max, you can't. You
got to keep going.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
The fans want to get all mad. I'm like, I'm
kids got a Michigan offer, Like are you for real?
Like I did like and I'm I'm I like Miami
and I think a lot of this place, but like,
I'm not a not an idiot, like and it's Lloyd
Current's grandson and his dad played there and his mom's
granddad's a Hall of Famer. But who cares that that
there was none of those times? Who's taking a Michigan offer?
Seven to Iel? Well, he's not loyal. You know, he's

(01:04:35):
been committed for I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
I gotch you guys, but these days are.

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
Quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
But well and Chuck, I think two things you're you're
smart about doing, which is number one, you're not resisting.
I feel like the coaches that resist and kind of
piss and moan about the portal, and it's unfair that
they don't make it because as you said, you don't
make the rules, but your damnager gotta gotta abide because
you have no choice. And I think the other part

(01:05:03):
is you're at a point where I don't think you
take it personal. You just say, look, this is kind
of water off your back. All right, that's fine, this
guy moves on. We'll go to the next one. And
rather than waste so much emotion and energy worrying about
some things you can't control, you don't worry about it,
and you just move on the next thing.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
And sometimes it's frustrating because your work hard in life
and you expect some rewards because you work hard. So
we go back to backch mech title games. You know,
we've got the best record in the league and blah
blah blah for a long time, and we put together
this incredible recruiting class, like it's the best one we've
ever had, you know, And we lost six guys to
Power four programs in the last month. Six Now I
usually lose maybe one, maybe two, Like it's not uncure,

(01:05:46):
somebody comes in. I lost six in a month. I
had twenty four kids committed a month CARSS fined eighteen
to day. And it was going to be our best
class ever. We lost two kids to Michigan and four
other Power five. You know, four of the Power four.
Is It's like okay, well yeah, because it suck, yeah,
but like that's the best. I mean, those are legitimate kids.
We had recruiting. I mean, like the other you're kind

(01:06:07):
of proud, like, hey, Michigan's taking your guys. You're probably
on some pretty good players, you know. Like so again,
it's just the way it is. And they're like they're
just they're just poaching your guys. Yeah, well that's yeah,
it's but if they're poaching Ten States guys, they're not
poaching of our guys. I'm on the wrong guys here.
I mean, anybody in the transfer portal. If we don't
lose anybody the transfer portal to the bigger schools, we

(01:06:29):
probably don't have a very good MAC team, right, Yeah,
that's right. Reality the year I don't lose anybody to
get you know, like it's bought off my roster, Well,
I probably have bur good year. I'd rather I've rather
have really good players that the big boys want. That.
That's that's more fun for me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Coach, what's kept you at Miami? You've had You've had success.
You're obviously you're in your third Uh you're in your
third straight MAC title game where you know a lot
of coaches, uh would would move on and go on
to a bigger power conference.

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Job, You've you've you've stayed there, and you stayed the course.
What's kept you in Miami one.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
It's a great place. So I've loved every minute here too.
I'm not somebody that really looks for jobs. Three, to
be honest, are non league scheduling. I always tell Miami,
you got me in jail here, Like I'm going to
be really good in the MAC. I've had the best
record over the last nine years. We're fifty five and
twenty one in Mac play since whatever twenty sixteen. But
we play all these incredible you know, we went big ten,

(01:07:26):
big ten UNLV, We've gone big ten, big ten, U
see for years yep. And my non legal erectords like
twelve and thirty six. And I honestly, you know, my agent,
I says, when they start looking for jobs, which is
about week six, I'm usually about four and four and
I'm not real sexyet and again it's like I may
win the MAC this year and I'll be eight and five. Well,

(01:07:46):
you know, so, I say, Miami' kind of figure out.
They make me lose a lot of games early in
the year, then I win a lot of games late,
so they're going to keep me around because I'm good
I'm a good MAC coach, but they they my record
is not My record is not what it could be
if we schedule a little better non league. So we're
working on that though.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Yeah, I mean maybe that is their diabolical plan, just
to to keep it in like a hotel.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
It's like the Hotel California.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Right, right, Yeah, you can check out, you can never leave,
right whatever the line is.

Speaker 4 (01:08:14):
So, like I always tell people, it's a pretty good place, like, yeah,
you know what, you guys know it like it's a
wonderful school. We've got these amazing football facilities that we've
upgrade since we've been here. We can get great kids.
I've been fortunate. My two coordinators have been here for
twelve years. Like who no head coach has been anywhere
for twelve years, but let alone, they've never had a
coordinator for twelve when you're having success like so, I've

(01:08:36):
been very blussed and fortunate to be at Miami.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Chuck Martner is our guest, the head coach of the
Miami RedHawks. They're on their way to their third straight
MAC title game. That'll be this Saturday against Western Michigan
and Jack Before you let you Go, I would love
if if you had a comment on the college football
playoff in general. I commented earlier that you know, it's
like it's the end of the season, right and you

(01:09:00):
know we've it's been such a great season, so many
great games and matchups. As we get to the end
and there's it's just like total confusion and you know
this team should be in, No, that team should be in.
Do you have any any thoughts when when you look
at the college football playoff and how things are decided
that that you would like to see different.

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
Now? I always want the best teams. Then I love
that there's a G five that has access. I don't
I don't totally get you know, five conference winners like
I just think you should be trying to get the
best twelve. I love being a G five program. I
love that you give a little guy access. You know,
there's so much cool in March madness because some you
created something. It's not gonna happen very well, but at
some point a little school is gonna do it, you know,

(01:09:42):
gonna upset that five seed, you know, so I love
that part. After that, I don't think there should be
I don't think there should be conference to I just
think go with the best eleven that year, you know,
go with the best eleven. Who cares. You don't have
to take any conference champion, you don't have to take.
Just try to get the best eleven. The cool thing is,
what do you take too teams? People going to argue
between two and three, if you take four, people going

(01:10:03):
to argue if you take twelve. The cool thing right
now is there's tons that's it just makes hollege football better?

Speaker 8 (01:10:08):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
Notre Dame? Is it?

Speaker 15 (01:10:09):
Miami?

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
Is it? Let's be why you get in? Who's who deserved.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Miami beating like and all?

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
That just makes it fun and crazy and the fans
love it and we love it. And if somebody's always
going to be the thirteenth team, right there's always gonna
be a bubble team that doesn't get in and they're
going to be mad. It doesn't matter if you have
sixty four teams, the sixty fifth teams match. But I
just wish they wouldn't have the conference. The conference ties
don't make sense to me. Just get the best eleven
and ten, take one of the little you know, reward

(01:10:34):
the best you know, g five team and create a
you know, David Versuskliath and again to me, that's pretty
cool that try to include us, you know, but then
just take the best eleven who cares a conference, who cares?
Who want to league? You don't want to take, you know,
a team that's got three losses or four losses that
won a league you don't want. You don't want Duke
to have an automatic bid or something. You mean, you

(01:10:55):
don't want to get into that. I just want to
get the best eleven teams there and have one heck
of a tournament.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Yep, agreed. I think it's well, we all want well, Chuck, listen,
we got to run. But but really appreciate your time.
You know, I admire what you do and think you
do such a great job there. Best luck and go
capture that championship.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
All right, appreciate it guy, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Yeah, thanks, you got it? Uh get him Chuck Martin,
head coach of Miami. Yeah, he's uh it is. I
mean because I talked with him. I when he first
got that job twelve years ago. I went out there
and I was just starting my broadcasting career, so I
wanted to make some contacts and learn from some people.
And I know he had been at Notre Dame and
went out and talked with him and it was really

(01:11:35):
impressed with his knowledge. And you can hear him talk, right,
the guy knows what he's discuss and fiery love.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
But again, I I mean, yeah, it is he is
smart for not trying to resist. If you're a if
you're a G five coach and you're like complaining all
the time, I can't believe our players getting stolen here.
You're what, you won't last, You'll you'll crack suspective to
be shared. Yeah, Hey, I'm I'm losing. I lost some

(01:12:02):
guys to Michigan.

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
If I'm not losing guys in Michigan, that that's a
real problem, right. It means we don't have guys that
nobody wants, right Yeah, I mean it's really a compliment
to him in an odd way. And it's just that's
just the world we live in. It's those good of
players and they're saying, yes, I want to come to
Miami and then someone you know, a blue blood sweeps
in and says, oh, we want this guy. Oh okay.

(01:12:25):
I've always thought there should be some sort of payment,
like if you're a you know, a power five power
four school, and you take a player from say a
MAX school, and that players and iled, and you're going
to pay them two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars.
I think a portion of that money should should go
to them where at least there's something that they're giving

(01:12:46):
up this player, the players, leaving them high and dry here,
and there should be some sort of compensation for that.
Put it on. Put on the list of things that
need to champ mean, that list keeps growing rock so
many things need to be fixed. That was one more
of it. Agreed.

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All rights back with Rocky alongside Jason Williams and Jason.
This is a story that's been out there a lot today.
It has a lot to do with those the drug
boats that the Trump administration is blowing out of the water,
and some are saying that there was a Columbian fisherman
on one of these res and then there was maybe
a second strike that was ordered by Pete Hegseth to

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kill anybody that survived it. With the latest on this,
we have Royal Oaks from ABC Royal.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
What is the latest?

Speaker 8 (01:15:12):
Ye know?

Speaker 15 (01:15:13):
The latest is that there's a complaint being filed with
the Inter American Commission on Human Rights with the family
of the fishermen, and they claim it he was just
a fisherman. But the Trump administration is going to be
able to point to the fact that there was pentanyl
and cocaine found floating in the water after the strike.
The bigger problem for the Trump administration is what you

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alluded to. If anybody gave an order to kill people
that are basically just paddling a out of the water
after being hit, then they are going to have a
lot of explaining to do so.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
And yeah, I did watch the Department of War did
announce that according to their intelligence, every one of these
boats that have been shot out have confirmed that there
was drugs on it, right, So that's not a part
of the discussion at all.

Speaker 15 (01:16:01):
So that really goes to the essence of this. You're
hearing nothing but oh, they were innocent. My family was
an innocent victim. They were just fishermen from basically everybody hit,
and of course there have been a lot of them.
You have had twenty one strikes and eighty three deaths
in the last couple of months. So now the question
is every single strike is going to be investigated. What
is the evidence that there were were not drugs on

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those boats? And afkan is a month of years.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Yeah, I find heart to believe. Yeah, I was just
an hon fisherman. Having him on a boat full of
enough fentanyl to kill you know, two hundred and fifty
thousand Americans or something, it's crazy to me. I don't
understand it.

Speaker 15 (01:16:40):
Yeah, And that's where the lengthy investigations are going to
come in and then of course the issue of Pete
Hegst's responsibility. He made it clear that he saw and
gave the order for the first strike, but he was
not in the room when the second strike happened, and
so it looks like he's distancing himself from that decision.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
What is the the argument from the uh the dead
fish the dead fisherman's family? Is it? I mean, is
it possible that some of these drug lords that are
you know, sending these boats or putting I don't know
people on there and like saying, hey, you can uh,
you can go on this uh fishing excursion to not

(01:17:21):
tell the amerriage. Yeah, I mean yeah, is that is
that a possibility or is that an argument here?

Speaker 15 (01:17:27):
Absolutely? Yeah, you could spin this out any which way
you want. I mean, theoretically you can have a totally
innocent fisherman who happens to be on a boat where
some people were smuggling drugs. We just don't really know
the truth. What's happening with the Human Rights Commission is
that they can't take money from anybody or put anybody
in jail. They just want to shine a light on
possible human rights violations and then people can talk about

(01:17:48):
war crimes and things like that, but as they say,
it's going to take a long time to unsort all
of these many strikes.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Yeah, and now you mentioned that the Inner American Commission
on Human Rights, Like what you know, I know that
that's that's part of this case, but like, I've never
heard of that before. Is that a pretty common or
like do they like who who? Where's that based at?
And who's you're You're.

Speaker 15 (01:18:13):
Not alone, it's not it's not a household name. And
as I mentioned, it has no real power. It just
wants to shine a light. Now, there are lots of
human rights organizations all around the world, and you know,
they just have a single purpose. Let's find examples where
bad guys are doing terrible things to innocent victims, and uh,
let's publicize it and maybe there will be lawsuits, maybe

(01:18:35):
there will be war crime allegations. But yeah, it's it's
strictly advisory. There is no real power.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Well, we will see how it all shakes out. Royal,
I really appreciate time. Thank you, Thanks thanks Roy, thank you.
So I'm reading here according to a guy named Tommy Pugou,
he is a of the U. S Department of State,
And according to him, every one of these drug boats
I misspoke on number. It's every one of these boats

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represents twenty five thousand Americans.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
That could be killed.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
On the average amount of drugs that's on this enough
to kill twenty five thousand. And you're supposed to convince
me that this was just some poor innocent fishermen who
when it's already again by US intelligence, every one of
these boats has had drugs on it. Just some poor
fishermen just just happened to be on this boat.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Bs.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
I think every time one of these boats gets blown
out of the water and Angel gets its wings Jason,
little Christmas a little wonderful it's a wonderful life reference there.
I just can't imagine why people were upset about this. Well,
it's unfor I mean, if this is an innocent you know,
bystander who was put up to saying, ah this, you know,
by drug lords. And like you said, it's been confirmed

(01:19:46):
that every one of these boats that have been blown
up have had drugs on them. What do you do
of America? Like, that's the mission is to keep drugs
from being trafficked into America, and this is the way
to do it. Yeah, I don't buy it. If you're
on a boat, you have to know that. What's all
it's on that boat. I again, there's some scenario out

(01:20:07):
there where you don't know. But I think I think
we all know what these are all about. All right,
this is a drug boat. All right, let's go ahead
and check some trafficking weather. How are we looking? All right?
Back with Rocky alongside Jason Williams for just another couple
of minutes here, and we're gonna send everyone out with
this story here Jason. So this is in Virginia, okay.

(01:20:28):
An employee who runs a state liquor store, and this
is in Ashland, Virginia, a small town kind of around Richmond.
He arrived at work and has opened up the store.
And he walks in the store and walks down with
the aisles and there's like lots of broken liquor bottles
all over the floor. What the hell's going on here?
You know, liquor everywhere, pools of liquor and all that. Well,

(01:20:54):
then so he starts to look around. He goes into
the bathroom, okay, and there passed out on the floor.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
It's a raccoon.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
I guess the Animal Control Department Hanover County shared a
picture of the raccoon that was discovered passed out right
next to the toilet in the bathroom that it apparently
wandered in after the uh you know, the moonshine had
kicked in there.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
The animal was transported to a shelter and after we
give being given a few hours of sleep to sleep
it off, it was released back into the wild. Jason,
back into your trash can rock And I didn't print
the pictures out, but it is like it looks like
what a human would look like if they drank to much,
just kind of like sprawt out on the floor head over,

(01:21:44):
you know, by the toilet there.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
We we've all been there and no raccoon has I
guess too. There was earlier this year. Uh, there was
a a in Kentucky. A Kentucky nurse Yeah used s
e pr to like to save a raccoon and a
dumpster or something that was crazy. I think you might

(01:22:09):
have let it go there. But anyway, in another news
and other news, uh, you and I talked about the ozempic. Yeah,
that was a good discussion. Yes, yes, sir, well dovetail
off of that, Uh, young women are dropping thousands on
a gruesome rib removal surgery as the dangerous ozempic body

(01:22:34):
trend takes hold rock now speaking of it, wasn't the
the urban legend that Marilyn Manson had a rib removed
so he could Yeah, well anyway, yeah, so this is
actually real? Yes, reading from the New York Post, of course,
the shocking trend of suddenly curvelous celebrities flaunting their so
called quote ozimpic bodies and having a dangerous impact on women.

(01:22:58):
Easily accessible up one GLP one drugs can deliver a
real thin frame in just months months, as it has
for folks or celebrities like Amy Schumer and Meghan Trainer.
But someone else, Emily James, I don't know it does.
Ring a Bell opted to take even more drastic measures

(01:23:19):
in her quest for perfection, spending thirteen thousand, seven hundred
and fifty dollars on a risky rib removal procedure, because
you know, you become so skinny so fast, and like,
you know, obviously, when you're really really skinny, oh hey,
I could see your ribs, you need to eat a cheeseburger.
You remember when people would say it, like yeah, you
know when people would say that the kids, how much,

(01:23:41):
just like back off your dosage of ozembic rather than
go and get a rib remove that's pretty crazy and invasive,
having a total of six ribs taken out of her body,
three from each side, yes, three from each side. But
your your rib cage, you know, is there for a reason.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
It's not arbitrary.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
There to protect old right, yeah, you're pancreas, your stomach
and all that keep it from gold torso up and
right yeah, and all that from getting injured from each
It would allow Emily James Uh. She had hoped to
instantly achieve the perfect physique she had always dreamed of. Instead,

(01:24:21):
James found herself in a waking nightmare as after going
under the Knight to shrink her waistline from thirty two
inches to twenty four. The lifestyle influencer said she had
nothing but regret over her decision to go for the
not so quick fix and then removing her ribs. That

(01:24:43):
I don't recommend rib removal surgery to anyone, she said,
I would, Yeah, that's she just goes to your point.
They are no longer they are no longer ribs protecting
my liver and kidneys, which could be a problem if
I'm ever in a bad as or experience an extreme impact.
I don't care about that. I mean beautiful and rich,

(01:25:05):
it's fine, crazy, as you said, They're there for a reason,
there for a reason, all right, and we are done
for a reason. And that reason is who Day. Today
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