Ken Broo Saturday -- 11/1/25

Ken talks with attorney Jeremy Rosenthall about the government shutdown and the mandate issues by two federal judges regarding food; Stewart Mandel of The Athletic talks college football; DJ Switzer previews round 2 of the MLS playoffs between FC Cincinnati and the Columbus Crew; more on the government shutdown Dr. Frank Sorentino; and Kevin Fishbain talks Bengals vs Bears.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, I've heard of that guy. He's okay, welcome on
in on this glorious Saturday. It's great to have you
with us. Big Saturday for college football. We've got UC
at Utah tonight in a Big twelve showdown. Winner of course,
will jump right back into conversation for the championship game.
Big twelve Championship Game, you see, really has never left

(00:21):
that conversation, all of that play by play right here
on seven hundred w WELW. And of course Game seven
of the World Series tonight Toronto at home with a
chance to close it out. Series tied at three to
three as the Dodgers climb back in it last night.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
So that's the world of sports.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Percolating around the world in and of itself for a
lot of issues, not the least of which is the
government shutdown, which is now into its second month. And
at the core issue right now for Republicans is just
to get the government up and running again. Just have
the Democrats do what they have done consistently over time,
and that is vote on a clean resolution, don't junk

(01:01):
it up with anything, just get government workers paid and
let the country keep rolling along. But of course that's
not what Democrats are doing this time, They seek any
opportunity for disruption, and their disruption right now is some
form of medical plan payment whatever for people who are

(01:21):
in this country illegally, particularly as it pertains to Medicaid,
and also the continuing funding that's needed for Obamacare, which
expires at the end of the year. They'll say, Okay,
let's talk about Obamacare and then we'll get the We'll
get the CR pass.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Let's make this part of the CR and.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Then we'll get everybody up and running, the air traffic
controllers and you know, the federal government, the police and whatnot.
Let's just just get that in there in the CR.
Of course, this is a complete departure from what Democrats
have done over the course of time. Nevertheless, both sides
are dug in and snap funds. Now could be the
first casualty of this government cut down. This is food

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assistance for about forty two million Americans who need food assistance.
There are people in this country, believe it or not,
that are not doing as well as you and me,
and they need help. But of course this is the
victim of this government shut down. And now, of course
we've got judges that are popping up. Oh god, I
was wondering if these federal judges were okay. Apparently they are,

(02:29):
because now we have whack a mole going on with
federal judges amazingly appointed by Democrats who have stuck their
noses into all of this. So you've got moral issues,
which is getting people fed. You have political issues, which is,
you know, if you're the Trump you don't want to
come down on the side of not feeding people. And

(02:50):
you have a judicial issue. You have legal issues with
all of this. This is a confusing story, I know,
But I know somebody that can lend credence to it
and clarity, and he's standing by the US. This is
a man who has never lost a trial in his life.
He is widely referred to as America's Attorney. This is
somebody who when he walks into a courtroom, judges not

(03:12):
in deference and opposing attorneys look at their clients and
just tell them, take the deal, take the deal, Take
the deal, take the deal. This guy never loses. He,
of course, is our good friend Jeremy Rosenthal. And Jeremy,
how are you on this glorious Saturday?

Speaker 3 (03:28):
I'm great?

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Can we like maybe simulcastis and Fort Worth and Karen
County touches.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
I've got a couple of prosecutors. You need to hear
everything that you just.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Said, because I'm working this weekend. I'm at my desk
getting work. We're getting ready, man, we're getting ready.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Good for good for you, good for you. I'll do it.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I'll put it on your answering system, whatever you need.
Were we done? Did we not have some sort of
Supreme Court ruling that these federal judges who they must
have firecrackers up their rear ends to get lit every
so often. Weren't we led to believe by the Supreme
Court that all of these people need to stay in
their lane. And now we have the same judges that

(04:10):
are popping up again. You've got the three I mentioned.
I didn't mention John McConnell, who was an Obama appointee
in Rhode Island. Judge Adira Telwane from the District Court
of Massachusetts, an Obama appointee. Those are the two that
are snap snap consumed. And then, of course it wouldn't
be a weekend without the US District Judge Colin Caller

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Coutelli completing the mythical trifecta who ruled from the bench
that Trump's requiring proof of citizenship to vote is illegal.
Were all these judges told by the Supreme Court stay
in your lane or did I miss something here? Did
I miss something?

Speaker 5 (04:49):
The lanes are extraordinarily big.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
So the Supreme Court ruling that came back earlier this year.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
What what had happened was that party judges were enjoining.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
Rules and laws.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
Nationwide based on one claimant, one planiff.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
And what the.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
Courts came back and said is that the courts can
only solve problems for people who are in court, who
are in front of them, and in some instances, for
the plaintiff, for somebody seeking for somebody seeking that type
of relief, it's easy, and you know, there's it's hard.
And so it just depends on who's the claimant.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Right.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
When the claimant is the state of Colorado, right, everybody
in Colorado is sort of subject to that, And so
it's easy for judges to take action based on really
large slaths of people and groups. This is why you
see twenty two, twenty three whatever it is states that

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are joining this lawsuit plus this group, plus that group, plus.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
You know, all these other entities and by and large.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
In most instances, it'll it'll cover as many people as
they can. So that's the new trick if you will
to try to get these judges to to exercise jurisdiction,
if you're the plaintiff over as broad a group as
you can.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
I okay, understand that. And of the states you mentioned,
they're all led by Democrat attorney generals. So that's where
this that's how this is landed in this case on
John J. McConnell's desk along with Judge Indira Telwane. That's
how they that's how it landed on their desks, all right.
But I in my interest that there are three things here.

(06:39):
There is the morality of this, the moral obligation to
feed people who cannot eat for whatever reason, and it's
a it's a significant number.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
There is also the political implication. I'm looking at Trump.
I mean, he's not stupid. He may be a lot
of things to a lot of people. But if he
tries to block what these judges are doing at the
Supreme Court, all of a sudden, he's starving fifty almost
fifty million people, not good politically. And then you have
what's going on here legally. So if you factor all

(07:10):
of those things together, I can't see Trump taking what
Indira Talwaunee and John J. McConnell did and appealing to
the Supreme Court on this.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Can you?

Speaker 1 (07:21):
It?

Speaker 4 (07:21):
Maybe a little bit of thrown me in the Brier patch?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Right?

Speaker 4 (07:24):
And so you're seeing, look the government shutdown here, every
politician in Washington is hitting reload on their browser to
see what the polls are saying. Who's getting blamed for this?

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Right?

Speaker 4 (07:38):
And look, I don't know if the shutdown has affected you.
I don't know if it's really affected me. I took
a trip last weekend. I sat on the runway for
what I thought was a long time.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
In my mind, I'm wondering.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
If that's because the air traffic controllers aren't getting paid.
But look, I mean, if you're in federal court, you're
noticing that things are winding to a halt. If you
are the beneficiary of a federal program, then you're probably
noticing that things are winding to a halt. If your
spouse works for the Social Security Administration, then you're noticing
things are grinding to a halt. And the longer longer

(08:15):
this drags out, the more and more people will begin
to notice, right, and that's where the political blame is
really sort of taking shape.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
So, yes, it's a bad.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Look to not feed forty two million people, children and
elderly people and underprivileged and mentally handicapped and mentally ill
and anything and everything. So I think everybody wants to
get them fed. Nobody wants to take the blame for
not feeding them, right. The Democrats don't want to get

(08:46):
blamed for shutting down the government and ending this thing,
and Trump doesn't want to get blamed for, you know,
by taking this thing all the way up to the
Supreme Court to make sure that people can't eat. Everybody
recognize is that this program is a bit of a hostage.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Yeah, and and and you know, I again it's these
same judges. I mean in Dera Telwuane we heard her
before on immigration.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
This John J.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
McConnell seems like he's at the very least compromised politically.
I mean, my god, the guy held Democrat various Democrats
state committees in Rhode Island. He was the treasurer of
the Rhode Island Democratic State Committee and begged to sitting
senators to appoint him to the District Court in Rhode Island,

(09:36):
Jack Reid and Sheldon Whitehouse. It just it seems to
me that this is this is this is the old trick.
What you don't get at the ballot box, you go
to court and try and get a judgment there, and
you know, on the other side of this, I'm thinking, well,
you know what, Okay, they get this, then what's next.
What's the next lawsuit that comes down the road? And
pretty soon whatever political capital get you gained in November

(10:00):
of twenty twenty four is slowly eroding. This is an
old trick, is it.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Not?

Speaker 1 (10:05):
What you can't get at the ballot box, let's see
if we can get it in a court room.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
Are you saying that we don't need lawyers and that
we don't deserve to be the best and make all
the money and all that in the planet.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Which you were saying earlier, No, I know.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I have no problem, but believe in our legal system.
I have no problem with lawyers and prosecutors. I got
problems with judges because I think at the very least
they arrive at the bench. And you don't need to
comment on this if you don't want to. At the
very least they arrive at the bench, they arrive compromise
because they're either there by getting elected where they have

(10:41):
to raise funds and go into the community and try
and get money out of people. They may have to
issue judgments on down the road, or they're appointed by
the old boys network. I don't think this country does
a very good job, and I don't know what the
answer is of putting judges on the bench, whether it
be local, whether it be federal. But be that as
it may, Yeah, we need lawyers, I think. I think

(11:02):
I think we need them. But I I and I
think that this is just to me as a citizen.
I'm looking at this and I'm saying, Okay, we don't
get our way, let's go sue, and let's put somebody
in a corner where there's no possible way out of it.
So I think it falls on Trump. He's got to
extend an olive branch of some kind to get this
thing going again, because it's going to have nobody if

(11:24):
people aren't getting fed. But I think the last thing
anybody wants is to have federal judges just banging the
cabal that gabble and issuing decrees for the entire country
to follow. When their lane is Rhode Island. I think
that's my problem, right.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Right, And and we've talked about this before, ken h
A being a judge, there's no way to get a
judge that's not a political function.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Right.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
There's just no way to to to find somebody anywhere
that's not elected or appointed, are somehow put in their
position by something that's not political in some way, not
the Supreme Court, not the county Court at law in
Collin County, Texas.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
There's just no.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Way, uh, to to have that, to have that work.
That's not going to be political. It's just a it's
just a side of it. And and and when we
kind of talk about again kind of going back to
what you were saying about the shutdown, this is what
we're what we're doing, is we're controlling the bleeding, right, uh,
And and and and as we're going to see more

(12:34):
and more and more of these things as certain pools
of money dry up, as certain pools of needy people
have their head on the chopping block. Right in this instance,
it's the snap funds. So as as this thing goes
on and on and on, Uh, everybody's bleeding out right,

(12:56):
And and and the politicians will i think come together,
Uh when they see that, Okay.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Now it's going to hurt me.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
You know, when when when when the Democrats look at
this or the Republicans look at this and say, okay,
we're taking the blame for this. The Democrats are gambling,
uh that that you know, health care costs and prices,
if if those begin to make people hurt, they're gambling
that they're going to blame the Republicans. Obviously, you know

(13:31):
Donald Trump to your point at the beginning of our conversation,
you know, he's kind of hoping.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
That that that that.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
That people see it his way that look, it's the
Democrats that are taking this program hostage, not me. And
and so as this thing sort of goes on and
the blood letting continues, at some point, you would think
that the politicians are going.

Speaker 5 (13:53):
To say, okay, you do you do that, you do that,
and then here we go.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
We're going to get this thing cracked up again.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
So this is exhibit seven, right, this this snap thing.
You know, we've already been through it with the federal
employees where we've already been through it with in several
different sectors. So so yeah, this is this is just
sort of how this goes and and if you're the
Democrats right now, you don't have either House of Congress.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
What you got is are the courts.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
So that's that's where you're going to go.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, well you got the you got the usual suspect
sitting behind the bench. Now this beauty on the U. S.
District Court, I guess in d C. She by the
name of Judge Colin Koher Katelli. We remember her from
the immigration situation. Trump wants voter registration. You know, you
have to show an I D when you vote. What
a concept you got to do that when you get

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on an airplane. Why wouldn't you want to do that
if you if you're if you want election integrity.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
But she said no, that that's not right.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
And he he doesn't have the right to uh issue
that kind of executive order that would require voter I D.
This one, I think does go to the Supreme Court.
I don't think the other one does. I think that
everybody is an agreement that these forties two million people, somehow,
some way need to get their federal assistance for food.
But I think this the other judge, this Colin Caller Katelli,

(15:16):
her edict this week I think this is going to
Supreme Court.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Do you agree it could?

Speaker 4 (15:23):
You know, these executive orders certainly have are more broad reaching,
and they bring up novel issues that we've not really
confronted anymore, not the least of which is what's the
extent what what what is the extent of in the
executive order?

Speaker 5 (15:38):
And where does that thing really love in our laws?

Speaker 4 (15:41):
It's not a statute, right, and it's not necessarily a
court order or anything like that. And so executive authority
has certainly been the hottest topic I would say of
twenty twenty five as far as the courts are concerned.
So this is going to be probably yet another test
of that. It's interesting too, because and a lot of

(16:04):
issues not only the executive's authority, but we've also had
a lot of issues that deal with federal sovereignty versus
state sovereignty. Elections are something that the states have typically
exercised control over. You know, the Feds can kind of
come in and watch, but you know, states typically are
are are able.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
To conduct elections in the way that they want. They
have for you know, just.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
By way of example, I watched something the other day
about ranked choice voting in Alaska, and and that that
thing would have to I'd have to read that seven
times to make sure I didn't screw up my ballot,
you know, because you get to you get to do
a first choice, in the second choice and a third choice,
and then they put it in the computer and then
here's your winner. And and sure, okay, if you say so.

(16:53):
So they're certainly novel issues, and I think that I
think you're probably right for no other reason. Then you know, again,
kind of going back to the very beginning of our talk,
you know, Trump losing at this level is probably a
little bit of throwing me into the briar patch.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
And by the way, no matter how many times you
screw up rank voting in Alaska, you still wind up
with Lisa Murkowski. Jeremy Rosenthal's it's great to have you
on a weekend where I know you're working probably on
a murder one case or something right now, so I
appreciate your time. You are America's attorney and it's great
to talk to you again. You have a great rest
of the weekend, Jeremy. We'll be in touch.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Joe red Raiders, We're going to be in the Big
twelve championship. We'll see if the Bearcats can make it
or not.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
All right, already drinking at this hour in Texas, our
good buddy Jeremy Rose, Stay well, my.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
Friend, you too, Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
It's just it's astounding.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
But no, there's no way in hell that you can
morally or politically oppose what these two judges did. Telwandy
and McConnell. And the Democrats know they got Trump over
a barrel on this thing, but I don't even I
would like to think he wouldn't appeal him anyway, because
I mean, this is this is, this is getting real.
It's all fun and games till somebody gets hurt. And

(18:11):
apparently that people are starting to get hurt with these
snap funds.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
We'll see where it goes.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
My guess is there will be action on this early
part of next week. It's twelve twenty six, it's Saturday.
We got a lot to get to between now at
three o'clock on seven hundred w welw Saturday here in
the Tri State, and glad you are with us. The
weather has really modern.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
I mean it was.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
I don't want to say it rained a lot this
past week, but I swear to God, I was out
on I seventy one, and I saw a guy with
a boat looking for two of everything, but not this weekend.
Nice last night for the kids and trick or treating
nice today. Tomorrow is going to be good for the Bengals.

(18:54):
We'll see if the Bengals are good for the weather tomorrow. Nevertheless,
it looks like things are stabilizing here and that is
a good thing. In Columbus, it's a bit of an adventure.
Ohio State ten, penn State seven. That's with six minutes
and eighteen seconds to go in the first half. Texas

(19:15):
twenty four Vanderbilt three. They're playing that one in Austin,
number twenty, Texas number nine Vanderbilt nine, twenty two to go.
On the second quarter, Miami and SMU tied at seven.
Miami the number ten team in the country and number
twenty two Houston at home losing to West Virginia twenty
one to fourteen is the score on that game. Of course,

(19:37):
there are many other games later on this afternoon, not
the least of which, and the one that we're all
looking forward to is the game tonight between the University
of Cincinnati and the University of Utah out in Salt
Lake City. A couple of things on this game. One,
I can't believe that Cincinnati is a ten point underdog,
but if you put that up against some factors that

(19:58):
maybe you're not thinking of. I certainly was until I
heard that everybody thinks Denver and the thin air that
Denver has this great advantage in that it's the thin
air in Denver that visiting teams struggle with. Well, it's
kind of the same thing in Salt Lake City. The
air does get things. I was in Utah, southern Utah

(20:20):
about three years ago and was backpacking through some of
the rocks there, you know, the down in Moab and
places like that. I was backpacking and it got to me.
I could feel it was difficult to breathe. And it
was not for anything to do with the kind of
physical shape I'm in. It was just it's difficult to breathe.
So that could be a mitigating factor and why the

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line on this game is.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
The way it is. The Other thing that could be
is it's a late start.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
I mean, let's face it, it may be a an
eight to fifteen kickoff in Utah, but it's also ten
to fifteen for the visiting team. Back home, and so
the team is going to have a lot of time
today to kill. Somebody asked Brendan Soresby, the u SE quarterback,
you know you're going to take a nap.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Take many naps.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
What are you going to do between now, which would
be like right now and the game tonight.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Here's what he had to say.

Speaker 6 (21:16):
It could be, you know, multiple short naps and then
we got watching of a football. Take another nap. Could
just be one long nap where you know you're dreaming
and stuff. You catch that rim cycle. We don't know,
we'll see.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, it's kind of like Thanksgiving. A lot of people
sleep through Thanksgiving. But college football is it's just hit
its stride right now. Indiana who thought Indiana would be
number two in the country. They're at Maryland today and
that's a three thirty start, and we've got Kentucky and

(21:48):
Mark Stoops fighting for his life. That team is at
Auburn today. So there's a lot going on in college football.
And when there is a lot going on in college football,
we like to welcome in someone who who I think
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writes for the Athletic Dot Com and I've said this many,
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(22:10):
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And one of the people that I speak of about

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to join us right now, and the mere fact that
he's from Cincinnati makes it even better. He is their
college football editor and it's great to welcome in Stuart
Mandel here to seven hundred w wel w and Stuart,
how are you on this glorious game day?

Speaker 5 (22:48):
I'm great, Ken Howard thinking my hometown.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Oooh man. I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
It's percolating on a number of different levels, one way
for the Bearcast, the other way for the Bengals, but
believe the Bengals aside. How much of a surprise to
you were the Bearcats or have the Bearcats been this season?
Because it seems like a lot of the national guys
are wondering exactly where this team came from. Are they
a surprise to you?

Speaker 5 (23:12):
Absolutely pleasant surprise. It didn't see it from a from
a you know, obviously as a your national you don't
know the ins and outs of a program. You don't
don't you know, I wouldn't. I don't know, like in
the off season, right, I couldn't have told you their
personnel and depth. Obviously I knew their quarterback, but it
just didn't seem the first couple of years in the

(23:32):
Big Twelve really done anything to indicate it would give
you the sign that like, oh yeah, things are on
the up. They obviously had a big win last year
or a issue. It kind of got discounted because they
didn't have Sam Levitt in that game. So and then
they played the first game against Nebraska, and right, it
would have been if they had upset Nebraska, right, that

(23:52):
would have really chocolate. So it really took a few
weeks maybe even more to realize like, oh, yeah, actually
these guys are pretty good. In an out of one
for Tony and I thought, actually last week's when was
probably the most impressive. Get just lying up and running
it down my throat young.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, no, it was, and I think it's it's going
to be maybe the showcase game that your colleague, Justin
Williams at the at the Athletic has at the second
best game in college football today, certainly tonight, but in
the in the game day, I'm just you know, I
think in college football anymore, if you've got a quarterback,
and the quarterback can maneuver and maneuver with players he

(24:32):
might not be completely familiar with because of the portal
and whatnot, I think you've got a leg up. And
here's Brendan Soresby, who's just I marvel at what he
does on a daily basis. He kind of reminds me
in a lot of ways of Baker Mayfield and just
his escapability and his ability to make plays where there
none seemed to be. But that's everything in college football today.

(24:54):
If you've got a quarterback that can do that, the
ceiling is pretty high.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Is it not.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
Yeah, And give them a lot of credit because you know,
unfortunately these days, if you have a good quarterback, the
next thing you have to do is make sure they
don't leave, you know, especially if a big ten or
SEC program, a deep pockety program is going to come calling.
But I know they gave him a really nice deal.
Kept for insource. He kept them in place, and boy

(25:22):
has he really shined this year.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, and they went out and got wide receivers to
throw to. He didn't have anybody really of any note
last season. But now he's got Jeff cald Well, he's
got Cyrus Allen, he's got Caleb Goodie, he's got the
tight end that came prancing down seventy one from Ohio State,
Joe Royer. So he's got weapons to throw too, and
they've got some stability on defense. And quite frankly, it

(25:47):
was a year ago this time when a lot of
people were wondering if Scott Centerfield had what it takes
to coaching the Big twelve. I don't think it's that
way anymore. I think they've figured out this whole portal
thing quickly. Where a lot of their can separators are struggling.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
What if teams?

Speaker 1 (26:02):
What of coaching staffs figure it out? And others don't.
Is it all money? Is it all deals in this
day and age, or what else? What else could it be?

Speaker 5 (26:09):
Well, first of all, I was one of the skeptics
of Scott got batter Field, So kudos to him for
for kind of putting those doubts to rest. Well, I
think it's twofold. In terms of your question, Yes, you
gotta have an I own money. Nobody nobody that's winning
these days uh is doing it without paying their player

(26:30):
as well. But also you got to get the right players.
And I mean for a state spent a ton of
money on their transfers the last two years and they're terrible.
They they either picked the wrong players or they haven't
resolved them. Well you know, so it's not like, Okay,
we made a bunch of deals to figurantee of success.
Right maybe if you're Texas Tech and your billionaire get

(26:53):
you like all the transfers. But so yeah, step one
is having the money and the resources. In franct that
just money, but knowing how to allocate it, especially with
the revenue share now. But step two is finding the
right players. And I do think that sometimes, you know,
in terms of high score recruiting, like high spore recruiting,

(27:15):
they start studying those guys as sophomores, maybe even earlier.
Do a lot of time to evaluate high score cruit
transfer portal. Kid who goes in the portal on Tuesday,
he's visiting your campus on Thursday, and so I do
think a lot of people, you know, miss because they
don't have a lot of time frankly to scout these guys.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Well, and the other thing too, I think the successful
stabs are stabs that actually know what culture is. You
hear a lot of coaches preach about culture and family
and all that other stuff, but to actually implement it
is another thing. In this day and age, you go
back ten years ago to use your recruiting analogy. That's
how you acquired players. You might get a transfer, sure,

(27:57):
but most of your roster camp recruiting, and so the
player would arrive as a freshman and then learn to
integrate his self into what other players are and where
they're from and all that in essence grow up together.
Now it's not that way, and culture becomes so much
more important because if you don't have that, if you
don't have an inclusive culture, people aren't going to get

(28:20):
to know each other. And all of a sudden you
have this function. I think that's what's happening at a lot
of these.

Speaker 5 (28:24):
Schools right the athletic My colleagues are the athletic chrus
Sloman Roberso had an excellent story of Friday about what
went wrong for Brian Kelly Lsu and that was that
was a big, big part of it, because there was
an assistant in there quoted saying, it's actually more important
now than ever because you are bringing in, in many

(28:47):
ways a whole new roster every year and you don't
have a lot of time to get guys you know,
kind of familiar with your culture and your system and
bought in. And so I think a lot of these
times when we see a highly touted team, Oh they
got a great portal class, they're gonna be great this year,
and they fall apart, it's because of that. You can't
just have a band of guys who come in from

(29:09):
all over the place. And I mean it's not the NFL, right,
the NFL. These guys professionals, They change teams, they know
what to do. So yeah, it's really important. I mean
look at Indiana, clearly, for Signetti has built a plan
and a culture there and they get guys to come
and buy in and they're out there kicking their race bus.

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They do not have obviously the kind of resources that
Ohio State or Michigan have, but they got it right.
I mean they really did, Like they are one of
these team programs that got their portal guys, right.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, and they got a quarterback. They have Mendoza and
you know where he didn't work at one school, he's
working there. So you would have to think, for example,
with Signetti in Bloomington, you would have to think that
a he knows what he's doing, and he is a
staff that knows what he's doing. But it kind of
it doesn't You know, you're right, you could throw an
all star team together, but it it doesn't always work,

(30:05):
and oftentimes it doesn't work. So I look at Indiana
if you're if you're surprised by what has happened here
in the at the University of Sin today, I'm surprised
by what's going on at Indiana. I thought they'd be good,
but number two in the country, no way. Were you
surprised or are you surprised that they are number two
in the country.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
Yeah, I guess not now, But I thought that. I mean,
I knew people were sleeping on them. Coming to this season.
I thought they would still be really good, but they've
just taken it to a whole other level. I mean,
they're different. I thought, you know, uh Rourke was a
really good quarterback, but brandom and.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Doza is on a whole other level.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
And their defense, their defense is really taking a step up.
We got them last year, you know when they finally
you know, first of all they had they had such
we competition for most last year, you didn't really know
how good they or And then when they finally got
to Ohio State and that's a Notre dame, they really
got exposed in the trenches. This year. They played Iowa

(31:09):
very early in the season. Obviously, the game at Oregon,
and I mean the game against Illinois obviously was the
most eye opening. And they are kicking every respot physically,
so really good team. At first, I said, you know,
people would say in Indiana win the national championship, and
I say, absolutely not. They're really good, They're not on

(31:31):
that level. I do now think you have to take
them seriously as a national championship coptender.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Well, Chattiwid Stewart Mandeldiathletic dot com. We're talking college football,
you see, and Utah later on tonight. I guess at
the other end of the spectrum is the University of Kentucky.
And I hate to speculate on anybody's job, But I
would think the clock is running out on Mark Stoops.
They've lost some games in the SEC this year, and
other than the loss to Georgia, I'm sorry, other than

(31:58):
the last to Tech lost to Tech, since they've been
basically blown out.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
I'm just I'm wondering, are you seeing the same.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Thing too, that maybe this isn't going to be a
happy ending at the end of the year for Stoops.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Other than yeah, a very nice buyout, it seems.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
Like the Kentucky fans have really given up on them
for sure. Now I'm from a distance saying care for
what you wish. Sure, I mean, he had the best
run of any Kentucky coach in spaar Bryant. It hasn't
been as great recently, to say the least. They've kind
of bottomed out. But you know, you look at this market,

(32:33):
this coaching cycle, and all the jobs are already open,
some very attractive jobs in there. There are not enough
good coaches to go around. There are not there. We
might see twelve thirteen, fifteen powerfol jobs open and there
are not fifteen really good candidates out there. So if
you're Kentucky and you're kind of further down the pecking order.

(32:55):
You know, how can you be sure you're actually going
to upgrade for Mark Stoops. Look, every program has to
deal with I mean, this is this is a this
is You're playing for the fans, right, You've got to
You've got to keep your fans engaged. And for instance,
with Penn State, a lot of people who maybe weren't

(33:15):
as familiar were like, how can they fire against Franklin
You got such a good record, And I said, did
you did you see after they lost in Northwestern at home?
I mean, I've never seen a crowd be so nasty
to the coach. They had to pull the plug. And
you know, I'm not there in Kentucky to know whether
it's reached that depth just yet.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
It's not good, I can tell you that. And fans
are reactive anyway to begin with. So but given the
fact that I mean he's you know, he played Texas
tough and had a chance to win that game, but
there was some questionable coaching calls in the overtime of
that game. But I mean have with Tennessee and with
South Carolina, with Georgia and it, I mean, they weren't
even really the same that they didn't go along on

(33:55):
the same field with those teams it was, so I
think that's probably part of the problem. That's exascer bidding
his situation. What games are you watching today? Are you
going to go to any or or are you going
to just be a television addict today?

Speaker 5 (34:08):
You know most weeks now and just a television addicts.
I need to the verses of my job. It's more
important for me to see all the games instead of
just some of the games. The YouTube TV might make
that difficult for me. Thankful, We'll see what happens there.
It's you know, it's one of those weeks where I

(34:28):
look at the matchups, I'm like, something crazy is going
to happen. I don't know what exactly, something crazy is
going to happen. I am interested to see Vanderbilk go
to Texas because Vandy, you know, is is kind of
the talk of college football right now, and Texas has
not been what we thought they would be and Archmanning
statuses in doubt, so you know that, really that really

(34:49):
interests me in a lot of front interested to see
a cocktail party in Georgia and Florida because in that game,
it never matters you know Florida fired their coach, they
know a great record doesn't matter. Like I get garantee you,
they will. They will show up for that game, and
then an interesting swing game if you will, USC and
Nebraska because whoever wins that it becomes talked about as

(35:11):
possibly a fourth they can playoff team, and whoever loses
is definitely out. But I will say the game I
am most excited for of all the game is definitely
Cincinnati Utah. I guess you guys got to stay up
late for that one.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, I know it's it's you know, there's a blessing
and occurs to that, But no, no, I think if
there's a reason to stay up late tonight, it's Cincinnati Utah.
And the schedule kind of falls nicely because right before
that you've got Oklahoma Tennessee, so you could you'll probably
be able to get it most if not all, of
that Oklahoma Tennessee game and before Cincinnati and Utah. Anyway,

(35:45):
great catching up with you, Stuart Stewartmandel The Athletic dot Com.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
It's one of the many reasons why to subscribe.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
In fact, if you've got somebody on your gift list
this holiday season, there you go if they're a sportsman.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Perfect, perfect gift. Stuart.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Thanks, stay well, you know we'll be calling down the road. Thanks,
all right, thank you, bet anytime, anytime. Seventeen to seven,
Ohio State over Penn State. Just under two minutes to
go in the first half of that game up in
Columbus and IU at Maryland is going to be another one.
We're about two hours away from that kickoff. IU two

(36:21):
in the country, number two in the country. Kirk Signetti
has got that program up to heights. It is rarely seen. Meanwhile,
for us, it is one twenty six on this Saturday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Straight ahead.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
FC Cincinnati can make short work of Columbus, will they.
We'll chat with a soccer influencer of great note here
in the greater Cincinnati area. Next on seven hundred WLW
WLW Welcome back. I'm ken Brew two o'clock. Donald Trump

(36:56):
works well on the international stage nationally, He's hit a
few roadblocks thanks to these whack them old judges.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Running around in their robes.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Banging their gabbles on anything they could find. Snap seems
to be the big thing now. Is snap a sham?
And are we really getting the true story from the
media regarding snap Well, the answer to the true story
from the media on anything is no. But we're going

(37:28):
to get into that at two o'clock. Meanwhile, tomorrow, oh wait, no,
one more thing. Ohio State seventeen, Penn State fourteen seventeen fourteen,
Ohio State at the half up in Columbus. Meanwhile, as
we can say now, tomorrow night in Columbus, it's Game
two between the Columbus Crew and your FC Cincinnati. FC

(37:52):
Cincinnati up one game to none in the best of three.
They win, tomorrow, it's over. They lose. They're back here
next weekend for match number three. FC Cincinnati can end
it tomorrow six thirty kick in Columbus. In the hell
is real Dettterby playoff? By the way, I mean, isn't

(38:12):
that a little contentious when you hear these announcers say
Derby the thing is spelled Derby. That's Derby, not Dutterby.
It's like it's you know, we're in the middle of
County Cork. No, it's Derby. Nevertheless, detr By Derby. We
welcome in one of the great soccer influencers in the

(38:33):
greater Cincinnati area.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
He's our good buddy.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
DJ Sweitzer, and he's standing by to join us right
now to talk about this game two between Columbus and
FC Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
DJ, how are you on this glorious day.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
I'm great, Ken, glad to be joining you once again.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Why do they call it dtrby when it's really spelled
derby d erb Why can you explain to me why
they do that on Apple TV? I'm mesmerized by this.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
I think it's a bit leaning into the world.

Speaker 7 (39:00):
The English pronouncers typically say it, so I think it's
another one of those little English uganisms, squeaking its way
in there.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
So in England, then when they say something isn't going right,
would they say something ain't going right just to lean
into America a little bit?

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Do you think that happens?

Speaker 5 (39:16):
Maybe during the NFL broadcast.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
You know, So this match that was down here on
Monday night, I thought clearly FC Cincinnati played the better game.
I thought they had the better opportunities, couldn't put the
ball in the back of the net for various reasons.
But I think By and lauragee FC Cincinnati fairly dominated
that game. Was I watching the same game you were watching?

Speaker 7 (39:39):
Yeah, I mean it was definitely you know, a match
where two different teams are really playing two different styles
of soccer. And we definitely saw some ways where both
teams had some opportunities, but at c since they definitely
were the side that had the better of the opportunity.
They had better expected goals, better chances overall, more chances overall.

(39:59):
They definitely looked side that dominated, and I'm not at
all surprised they came away with the win.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
I was so afraid during that match because we've seen
this several times this year where they dominate a match
and they can't put the ball on the back of
the net.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
And was it.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
More of what they weren't doing? Were they Is this
still something that dogs them even though they've made changes,
radical changes with the folks up front, or was it
just the way Columbus plays And it's one of those
matchups what side do you fall on?

Speaker 7 (40:28):
So I think it's a bit more on how Columbus plays.
They're a very possession oriented, conservative type of side where
they like to hold on the ball and they'd like
to get men behind the ball, and it's a very
tough nut to crack sometimes and even with the firepower
that Pat Noon.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
Has at a disposal with the set season snatty squad.

Speaker 7 (40:46):
It can be tough to break it down, and like
you said, a couple of those opportunities that went, you know,
without a finish early on in the match. It definitely
leaves you nervous. And it's one of those things as
you get later on in the match that you're like, geez.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
That they don't convert one. Maybe Columbus sneaks in here.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
I thought a vander who's obviously their best player, but
I thought it was guilty of playing a little hero
ball in that game.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Did you feel the same way.

Speaker 7 (41:09):
Well, I mean, he's the type of player that's always
trying to unlock and come up with some of those
creativity type of moments, so you can't really fold him.

Speaker 5 (41:15):
It's kind of in his nature.

Speaker 7 (41:17):
But there were some times where he probably chose something
a little bit more extraving him where a simple opportunity
might have been an easier finish.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
There was a little bit of news from FC Cincinnati
this week. First of all, Roman Celentana was honored with
the Save of the Year and it was just an
incredible save that occurred, actually a series of saves that
occurred earlier this year, and you know, I don't know
where this club would be without Celentano. Yeah, I mean,
every goalkeeper is going to have it off night. But

(41:44):
the fact that he was honored this week, I think
is nice, But I think it speaks at his consistency
and this is what you need at this time of
the year is solid goalkeeping. I would think they're probably
trying to scratch their heads in Columbus leading into this
Tomorrow night to figure out, Okay, how do we deal
with this dude? Even if that back line for Cincinnati

(42:06):
is as stout as it is, what do you think
is going through the minds of the Columbus crew and
how to deal with Celentano?

Speaker 5 (42:14):
Well, I think Columbus's main priority right now is scoring goals.
It's not something that they've had exactly a lot of
success with over the last month, the month and a
half of the season.

Speaker 7 (42:24):
Really many times they've had more than one outside of
the kind of an outlier game in Atlanta towards the
beginning of September. So they're just looking to find answers
offensively all the time, not necessarily as to get past Roman.
But I think their big thing is they're going to
try to hold onto the ball as much as they
can and try to make sure that SEC don't have

(42:44):
those opportunities to split forward and break forward and have
some of those counter attacking champons that they tend to
create in the flow of play. So I think they're
really going to be concerned with can we hold onto
the ball out last FCC scoring opportunities and maybe pitch
something out of our kind of attack.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
And then the other honor was Nick Hagland wins MLS
Comeback Player of the Year. I mean, his injury last
season was just horrific, but I was really happy to
see it on a number of levels. One, he seems
like a decent dude. Second, he's from here, and third
when he's in that lineup, it's it's a little bit
different look for them.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Hagland.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
You know, some people looked at him and wondered, and
I was certainly one of them before his injury last year,
like maybe, you know, as a game really passed this
guy by, but it really hasn't, has it.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
No.

Speaker 7 (43:31):
I mean, Nick is a guy who keeps defining or
redefining what type of player he is and kind of
meeting and exceeding the expectations a lot of people said
for him when he first arrived here. Obviously he came
you know, in those first couple of seasons with the
SCC when they're trying to make their mark in the league,
and he has a great pedigree, wanted a championship up
in Toronto. It wasn't exactly a guy that you would

(43:53):
be like, that's a mark he's signing. But Nick just
has a habit of sticking around and finding his way
to be useful for the team. Well, he isn't again
that first name that really jumped out on the back line.
When he's in there, they seem to have their stuff
together and it is exciting to see what he's going
to be able to do with him next or this weekend.
Is he again is going to have to step into

(44:13):
that role?

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Do you think this thing goes to a third game?
How do you think this plays out tomorrow night?

Speaker 7 (44:19):
I mean, as far as things go in Columbus, that
SCC haven't exactly had the best run up there. They've
only won once and I think seven trips to Columbus.

Speaker 5 (44:27):
Although it's gotten a little bit better over the last year.

Speaker 7 (44:29):
They're one zero to one, where they had a win
and a draw, so I think there's an opportunity to
go up to Columbus and get a win, but they're
going to have to get that goal early and set
Columbus on their back foot.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
So that they're not just clogging up that field to
the rest of the match.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
You know, this this series seems so elongated. You're playing
three matches in roughly two weeks. It's just I mean,
I don't know. I've never played the game professionally. When
I did play, I wasn't that good as an amateur.
In fact, I was so poor as an amate don't
think I played beyond youth. But the fact of the
matter is it seems like that they could could, you know,

(45:05):
maybe tighten us up a little bit. Is three matches
inside of two weeks too long or is that about.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Right for you?

Speaker 7 (45:12):
Well, I mean, obviously the international window from Major League
Soccer is coming into play here a little bit and
causing some of these long layoffs in between the matches,
which is less than ideal. But probably that's from a
player perspective. I do think the players probably would prefer
a little bit of time off, so there's an opportunity
for recuperation. Obviously the turnaround between this last game and

(45:33):
this one is it's fairly tight. But then we get
this big jump in between games two and three, so
it really becomes a question of you know, do you
want to have that break? And I think right now
this bang f CSONCINNTY team will take a little bit
of time and get some of these other guys back
into the lineup.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
If they can.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Now, I asked you the question before last. How does
this thing play out? I'm going to pin you down.
Do they win to borrow night?

Speaker 5 (45:55):
I think this is same game to loose? So yeah,
I think I think they've got it here.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Ken, Right, So we're coming, we're looking for if it
doesn't happen, I'm just gonna let you know. Is that
all right? We'll be looking at now. I'll take you
DJ Sweitzer soccer influencer. By the way, what is a
soccer influencer?

Speaker 5 (46:12):
Hey? Just run in my mouth about the sport when
other people don't want to hear it.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
What of about what about a million and a half
here in the greater Cincinnati area?

Speaker 2 (46:21):
All right, Dj? Stay well, you know we'll be in touch.

Speaker 5 (46:24):
Thank you can appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Game will be on ESPN fifteen thirty tomorrow night.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
You see tonight here on seven hundred WLW and UK.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Tonight on ESPN fifteen thirty. So we've got a.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Big guy in the iHeart media family here in Cincinnati.
Got a lot going on one forty nine already on
this Saturday. I am ken Brew and this is seven
hundred w l W.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
It's Radio, seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Yes, gather around the lemonade stand. We have one more
hour to go, and that would be from now until
three we count down to UC foot ball and that's
a long countdown. Kickoff is not until ten fifteen tonight.
Out in Utah, Utah, as they used to say back
in the old neighborhood, the starting quarterback for Utah is
a guy named Devin damp Here. He's very good, but

(47:13):
he's been hurt. Even in his absence last week, the
backup bird Fickland, played very well.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Either way, it.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Sounds like you see head football coach Scott Centerfield has
his team prepared.

Speaker 8 (47:29):
And obviously, you know, Nampier is their guy, and if
he's healthy and then we anticipate him playing and you know,
but now for them, they got to feel really good
about the fact that they got another guy that can
put in there and had an outstanding game and.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
He was a Big twelve Player of the Week this
past week.

Speaker 8 (47:43):
So but I think, you know, it's what they do
team wise, you just have to defend.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
That that whole offense.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
And in about an hour and a half out in
Maryland College Park, Maryland, it will be the Terps against
number two Indiana. I don't think a lot of people,
as we talked about with Stuart Mandel about an hour ago,
I don't think a lot of people really saw this
coming for Indiana, and a lot of people are wondering
what the success is or why.

Speaker 8 (48:10):
And obviously, you know Nampier is their guy and he's healthy.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
No, that's the wrong guy. This guy is Kurt Signetti.
He's their head coach. So what's the reason. Yeah, it's
a reason for this.

Speaker 9 (48:20):
You know the thing we ask our guys that does
play every play like it's nothing, nothing, game on the line,
and from beginning to then, regardless of the competitive circumstances.
And I think they've bought into that message.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Well they have, and they're they're very good and again
taking on Maryland today and favored despite being on the road.
UK at Auburn later on tonight. So we are now
into our second month of the government shutdown, and to
most of us, we have not been affected. Unless you
work for the military, or you're someone who is working
for government agencies like the air traffic controllers, or it

(48:55):
may be somebody that relies on federal funding, it's probably
not affected your life well that much. It's about to
particularly with the situation that is going on with the
ATC and how there may be delays and flights and whatnot.
And it's also affected SNAP SNAP, which is a term

(49:17):
for Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, and those are benefits, and
those benefits help those who maybe have food shortages in
their life or no food in their life. But remember,
not too long ago, there was the one big beautiful
bill that was passed by Congress, and in that one

(49:40):
big beautiful bill, that particular program was really dug into
to remove most refugees, asylum seekers, trafficking and domestic violence victims,
and other legal immigrants. About ninety thousand people will lose

(50:03):
SNAP in an average month according to what the Big
Beautiful Bill is all about. But now we're hearing that
forty two million people are going to be affected because
of the government shutdown and not being able to continue
funding SNAP. It's complicated, and there have been gross abuses

(50:24):
of SNAP since the Democrats got that program up and running.
For example, this is from it's a federal I'm sorry,
this is a federal This is a report from the
Department of Health and Human Services. And this is the quote, Federal, state,
and local spending on refugees and asylum seekers, including food, healthcare, education,

(50:50):
and other expenses, totaled four hundred and fifty seven billion
with a B dollars from two thousand and five to
twenty nineteen. Again, that's from the Department of Health and
Human Services. And during that time, twenty percent of refugees
and asylum seekers received SNAP benefits. The Big Beautiful Bill

(51:12):
cut that out, but look at the abuse that went
on before the one Big Beautiful Bill, and it makes
you wonder if that was that program was so corrupt, Well,
what is it now? Who is it serving now? And
Trump's got a problem. We've got a couple of problems
with this one. He has two judges, John J. McConnell

(51:35):
maybe the most politically compromised judge in the country. He
operates out of the U S District Court of Rhode Island.
He was a political operative for the Democrat Party in
Rhode Island and contributed to Democrat candidates. Begged two Democrat
senators to appoint him to the bench there in the
District Court, and he so was.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
He issued a ruling on Snap.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
As did Judge Indira Taliwane of the US didas through
Court for Massachusetts. The two rulings that came down yesterday
seemed to be in conflict with each other, and it
also seems, at least from what I'm reading, it also
seems to raise the specter that there is this slush

(52:17):
fund of about five and a half billion dollars that
could be paid right now to eliminate the SNAP problem,
except that five and a half billion wouldn't pay for
a full month. The program costs the federal government about
nine billion dollars monthly, and it's not clear whether or

(52:38):
not that they can dip into that money legally. And
so the Trump administration is looking for some guidance from
these two judges that don't be don't seem to be
in sync with each other. Meanwhile, there's a giant political
problem that Trump has and when it comes to politics,
why not turn to one of the finest political minds
of our time. He is doctor Frank Sorrentino, noted political

(53:02):
pundon and also someone who has written the definitive history
of American presidents. And I asked doctor Sorrentino to join
me today and he's absolutely delighted. I'm told he's standing
by online too, So let's go to him, Doctor Sorrentino.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
How are you on this glorious.

Speaker 10 (53:17):
Saturday, doing wonderful and it's a pleasure to be with you.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
I'm glad you're with us here. Doctor. A lot of
things percolating.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
First of all, I think if I look at Donald
Trump right now, what I see is kind of a
micro cosm of his presidency. He succeeds internationally, he settles wars,
he makes deals with countries that brings dollars into America.
All things percolating rather well there, except perhaps on the
Ukraine Russia front. And then when you get back home,

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he's got tremendous problems. He's got problems with the opposing
party that doesn't want to do business with him. He's
got problems with regards to his own party. He has
people that call themselves Republicans, but they're really Democrats, and
it makes it difficult for him to get things done
where in the middle of a government shutdown. So why
is this guy so good internationally getting things done but

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so snyming on so many fronts with what he wants
to get done by things here at home?

Speaker 10 (54:14):
Well, I think there is a divide in America, and
this divide is much more polarized and deeper.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
So it transcends Trump. But Trump has.

Speaker 10 (54:26):
His own style which in some ways exacerbates some of
that polarization and tension that exists. So he's both a
product of that polarization which put him into the presidency
and it creates the problem of trying to deal with

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it at the same time.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Why do Democrats hate him? Why do they hate him
so much? Is it because he did not allow Queen
Hillary to ascend to the throne in twenty sixteen?

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Or is it deeper that.

Speaker 5 (55:01):
I think it's speaker than that, but it begins there.

Speaker 10 (55:06):
Hillary Clinton represented the internationalization of the Democratic Party and
the corporatization of the Democratic Party. And what you had
in the post Cold War was this notion that America
was no longer a domestic nation, but a member of

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the globalized community, where we could offshore almost all the
industrial production of the United States.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
A bit of a hyperbole there, but at the same time.

Speaker 10 (55:45):
Enriched the profits of the corporate elites.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
Of America, and it did benefit.

Speaker 10 (55:52):
Large numbers of people, particularly people on the coastal elites of.

Speaker 5 (55:59):
The Pacific and.

Speaker 10 (55:59):
The Atlantic, and it impoverished a large number of people.
But those people weren't as important because they didn't have
the technical skills, because they were of a prior error
in terms of technology, and two, they didn't have the
wealth and the political power. So Trump marshaled the agreed class,

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if I could put it that way, and what he
did was in danger large numbers of people who made
magnificent profits during the.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
Period following.

Speaker 10 (56:39):
The Cold War, and I think that was very difficult.
Now on social issues, I think I could speak from New.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
York here, where.

Speaker 10 (56:47):
We're about to have maybe a socialist mayor. Is that
the Democrat Party has also embraced a different view of
how governance existed in the United States for a period
of almost two hundred and fifty years.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
We now see a majority.

Speaker 10 (57:10):
Of Democrats sympathetic towards the concept of socialism and socialism
and globalism, while Trump represents nationalism and capitalism.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
You know the issue we have here at home. The
government's been shut down for over a month. Food assistance
the plans snap is running out, probably will run out
here in the next day or two for those that
need food. Military is not getting paid. Although apparently there
is some sort of private funding that will help air

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traffic controllers on the job, not getting paid air travel
can be a problem. My point in all of this
is that the Republicans have the majority in the Senate,
and there's a thing called the filibuster. President wants the
filibuster blown up and done away, which means that you
can get legislation passed with a mere majority. You don't

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have to get to the sixty vote threshold. And there
are a lot of country club Republicans in Washington, DC
right now, doctor that are saying, no, that's army Jeddon.
We should never go that way because if the Democrats
ever get control, then they would have the ability to
push through their agendas statehood for example for DC, or
packing the Supreme Court. My position is Trump is waiting

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on judges to be approved. He's got a government that's
been shut down because of Democrat obstinates. Should we be
worried about the filibuster because it doesn't matter what Democrats
are going to do if they get in power, they're
going to do it anyway.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
They're going to do away with it. So why not just.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Get it over with now, get the government running, get
judges approved, and get this thing back on track.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Why not just do it?

Speaker 10 (58:53):
Well, if that's an interesting and very tempting solution, the
problem is that I think you erode some of the restraints.
I remember when Harry Reid was the Senate majority leader
and Obama was president and they lowered the level for

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District court judges and Apeller Court judges to majority than
when Trump got elected. That Mitch McConnell did it for
the Supreme Court, and what we have is a polarized
judiciary as well. There is something to be said about
super majorities.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
In the Senate.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
Now.

Speaker 10 (59:36):
The problem here is is some people will say, as
you did, that it's.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
Going to be done anyway.

Speaker 10 (59:43):
The filibuster may be a relic, and it may well happen.
You may be right, but I'm not so sure it's
a good idea.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
If we could strengthen that norm.

Speaker 10 (59:55):
We could then develop more consensus so that no administration
becomes just as one sided and just push forth an
agenda that half the nation uh detests.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Okay, I I think, yeah, okay, I mean I understand that,
and I think I think your point is valid. But
there has to be something that gets this off the dime,
because here we are not a year into his second term,
and we've got this obstinence on the side of the Democrats,
and we already talked about Trump derangement syndrome, particularly on
the far left of the Democrats, and they're sucking the

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rest of the party into their into their corner with him.
So what are we looking at? Three more years of
paralysis here? I mean, they can't even they can't even
get a continuing resolution approved, which has been the norm,
particularly for the Democrats since since god knows when you
can go back decades.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
They can't even get that done.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
So then if that's the case, and your anti blowing
up the filibuster, then where's the answer here?

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
How does he get done?

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:01:00):
And it just surprises me a bit because he is
a deal maker and he seems to be unwilling to
offer a face saving device for the Democrats, and I
think that's critical in all negotiations he could offer. I mean,

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one of the big problems is this Obamacare Affordable Care Act,
where they made arrangements okay, where the insurance companies would
get almost a guaranteed ten percent profit. And he made
another alliance with the pharmaceutical companies where they could sell

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the drugs at list price, and that was successful in
getting it passed, but now it becomes symbolic of the
financial crisis in the United States about health care, I
think the Democrats are so dug in on this that

(01:02:03):
he's got to offer them something because the subsidies are
what keeps Obamacare going. And there may be some temporary
thing which you want to you want them to vote
for the clear continuing resolution, but they don't appear to
be doing that. And I think with his foreign policy success,

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he could offer an olive branch, whether it is on
snap or some subsidies for the Obamacare dreamings, which are
going to be very very high for a lot of people,
and it's fundamentally destructive. I think of the healthcare system
the way he was formulated.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
But he's he's.

Speaker 10 (01:02:48):
Stubborn too, saying that that could run his problem. But
foreign policy, he seems to know that you don't win
by just demanding what you want. You have to have
that win win situation, and I'm not quite sure. I mean,
you could say this the principle of continuing resolutions, and

(01:03:11):
I agree with that, but at the same time this hostility,
he could be more magnanimous and then try to win
again on some of these other issues about how you're
going to finance the government.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
Yeah, I think that's a real problem.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
No, yeah, I absolutely And shame on the Republicans for
not having their own quote unquote Obamacare. Where the hell
is that They've never They've always said Obamacare is bad.
They never came up with anything better. So if you're
going to just say we're going to dig our heels
in and we're going to try and take Obamacare down,
whether it's through not voting on these subsidies or bastardizing

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whatever Obamacare is, okay, fine, Well what do you offer
in return?

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
They don't have anything.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
The Republicans devoid of any ideas on healthcare for the
United State. And that's where they and I part because
I think if you're going to say, okay, that's bad
get rid of it. Okay, well, what do you got
that's better? And they don't have anything that's better.

Speaker 10 (01:04:11):
I think you're absolutely right, Ken, because they have basically
been opposed to the Obamacare, but have not provided a
solution that deals with some of these same issues in
a more economical way that doesn't destroy the premiums and
the economic welfare of a large segment of the American public.

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And that's one of their great failures.

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
But they don't prioritize that.

Speaker 10 (01:04:41):
They prioritize the rhetoric but not the solution.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
And the Democrats have not been.

Speaker 10 (01:04:48):
Willing to modify the Affordable Care Act by taking some
of those incentives because that's part of their constituency. And
we're facing this very, very difficult crisis because I think
more than we could go back two centuries, but the

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hatred of both sides towards each other is reaching a
feverish pitch where so many people are seeing things like
assassination and defying the law as legitimate options. And when
that happens, you risk not only civil peace, but the
unification of the country on agreed upon principles of how

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you're going to govern.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
Absolutely, that's why you've got a doctorate, and that's why
I'm sitting in Cincinnati talking to you, because you're the expert,
doctor Frank Sorrentino. You can find you that doctor Frankmsorrentino
dot com as doctor with a d R d R
Frank Msorentino dot com. Okay, Doc, have a great rest
of the weekend and you and I.

Speaker 5 (01:05:59):
Cant take down there. It's always a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
All right, Stay well, doc YouTube now bye bye.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Yeah, we'll see, We're we'll see exactly when this comes
to a head. I've got a feeling it'll be after
election Day. It'll be after this Tuesday. Everybody will get interested.
I've said the big thing was after last Sunday when
they had was it last Sunday Day or last Saturday?
They had the no Kings nonsense. I said right after
that it's but it didn't, it didn't get settled. Now

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I'm thinking after election Day we'll see. But I think
he's right. I think an olive branch from Trump would
go a long way. And just bringing this thing to
a head, we'll find out. That's the beauty of it.
We'll all find out together to twenty seven News Radio
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Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Ohio State up in a commanding fashion in Columbus over
Penn State, thirty one fourteen, twelve minutes to go in
the fourth and final quarter. Of course, tomorrow it's the Bengals.
End it is the Bears down town at Pey Corpse Stadium.
The Bears are a two and a half point favorite,

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largely because Joe Flacco's hurt. Now he's going to start.
He said he will play and said also this this week.

Speaker 11 (01:07:38):
I don't know, I've never really dealt with it before,
but I guess there's a point where it's not really
up to you. It's just kind of how it's reacting
and how you feel. So that's why I wanted to
make sure you know, I was able to test it
out a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
So the Bears are not in great shape either, I mean,
they did win four in a row before stumbling week
in Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
What's going on up there?

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
I know their secondary is beaten up, and their quarterback,
whom they once thought was the future of the franchise,
still is on shaky grounds. New head coach and Ben Johnson.
But what of others and why does it seem that
that team is struggling as much as it is in
the red zone. I mean, they're just they get in
the renzo, they don't know what to do. And so

(01:08:23):
I was wondering about that. I wanted to get Kevin
Fishbaine on because he covers the team for the Athletic
dot Com. He's one of the reasons why I subscribe
to that website, and I was just wondering if we
get some insight from him, and there is just boning
in right now online number one, So let's bring him
on in. So what is the problem with the red zone?

(01:08:44):
I mean, they've got a lot of problems, but the
red zone really, to me is I mean that would
be a red flag if I'm a Bears fan.

Speaker 12 (01:08:51):
Yeah, They've had issues all over the board inside the
twenty and it's been penalties, it's been not getting the
run game on track. It's been you know, passing in accuracy,
you name it. It's been kind of institutional issue more
so than on one player that they've had so many problems.
You know, they're five for six teams scoring touchdowns the

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red zone in the last four games as well, below
league average and where they should be. And this is
Ben Johnson, who you know, the Detroit Lions are one
of the best teams in the league in the red zone.
So I think that it's a lot of just hammering
out the details, gaining these guys on the same page, kind.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Of some of that coach speaks stuff.

Speaker 12 (01:09:31):
But look, it's hard not to reference the quarterback when
you're talking about the red zone. You know, the quarterback
is tasked with so many of those things to try
to get the ball in the end zone, and Cable
Livers just has not been consistent enough in those critical situations.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Is it still a matter of transition from from one
coaching staff to the other. I mean, he's got Zach
Taylor's brother is the passing game coordinator up there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Is it that kind of one of those things that
you would expect, or is this kind of late in
the season to expect these things.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Yeah, I think do you expect it to take some time?

Speaker 12 (01:10:06):
Look Jared Goff, who was a veteran who'd been to
a Super Bowl, it took him eight games to really
get a new groove with Ben Jonson back.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
In twenty twenty two.

Speaker 12 (01:10:16):
So this is kind of the critical stage now for
Caleb Williams. If you're going to use that comparison, this
is the game that he if he goes in the
golf timeline, then he should start to really feel good
in the systems. So yeah, it's going to take time.
And I think too and Ken you know this about
you guys have a quarterback there and Joe Burrow, who,

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as much as the team struggled his rookie year, I
feel like when you watch Burrow, you knew right away
and it has not really been the case here for
them to be able to say that. I think the
Bears would love to say that, but maybe we also
should have a little.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Bit more patient.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Yeah, yeah, it is so difficult, it really is. I mean,
burrows are few and far between, as you know in
the Lake, but I think there could be something on
that whole transition thing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
How is the line holding up.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
There's a guy up there other plays guard, Joe Tooney,
who's from down here in the Greater Cincinnati area that
I thought would have been a target for the Bengals
in the off season giving their you know, their line problems.
But how is the line in front of Williams played
this year?

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Yeah, it's been better.

Speaker 12 (01:11:20):
Obviously, the Bears made some big investments. You mentioned Toney.
They traded for Jonah Jackson, gave him a new contract.
They and Drew Dollman, who is the best center available.
Their run blocking has generally been pretty good. Darnel Wright
the right tackles, playing through an injury. He had a
lot of big kind of brace on his arm, but
he's been playing really, really well the past few weeks.

(01:11:41):
Still better than the left tackle. Is a great story
on drafted guy out of Canada and has helped their
run game. But obviously it's going to take him some
time in the in the past game, and we've seen
that the last two weeks where opponents have really gotten.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
To him on pass plays.

Speaker 12 (01:11:56):
So the line is better, but Cambo was taking significantly
fewer sacks than it took last year. But it's still
it still can be better. Again, red zone issue. Fall
starts have been a major issue with this group, and
you know, same thing with these guys even better, and
it just takes time with the new playbook sometimes, especially

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one is detailed as Ben Johnson.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Yeah, I watched, I watched the offense, and I mean
even in games that that the Bears won, there it
just seemed to be off a tick and I don't
know what it is. And I don't want to hang
everything on the transition because there's there's some there's some
good players there. DJ Moore, Uh, you know he's a
good player. Don Roma Dounza is a good player. I
think DeAndre Swift has proven himself in the league. And

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I know they're all battling injuries, but I mean that
that the quote unquote skilled positions, there seems to be
enough talent I think for this team to be clicking
just a little bit more.

Speaker 10 (01:12:51):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Again, look, they had that long win streak that was
broken last week, But it just seems like it should
be better. Doesn't it seem that way to you?

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
Yeah, it should be. You know, they've got the players.

Speaker 12 (01:13:03):
You can you can spin it and say, you know,
Swift's not a Pro Bowl or DJ Moore is accomplishes,
He's never been to a Pro Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Rome is still young. You know, They've got.

Speaker 12 (01:13:12):
These tight ends who they really like but just haven't
really gotten going.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
And there's a lot the names you routed up.

Speaker 12 (01:13:20):
I think a lot of the teams would be happy
with that collection of skilled players, and each guy has
had their flashes, but it's just they just even even
the game against Dallas, which is kind of the biggest
offensive explosion they had, they stalled out a couple of
times in the second half and Ben Johnson he really
wanted to kind of put that game away and they
were not able to. So they have not come close

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to playing their best game. Is something Ben Jonson has
been emphasizing. As you know, Cincinnati's defense statistically creates an
opportunity for the Bears to maybe try to get right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
But you know, when you.

Speaker 12 (01:13:55):
Have false start and you're not consistently running the ball,
and you're not accurate with his throws, you're not scoring
the red. So it's a lot of things to fix
them one week when you're going on the road. So
it's I would say it's too too simple to say
that since day is going to be the recipe for
the Bears to get right. There's a lot of things
that still need to get worked out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Kevin fishban our guest. He is with the Athletic dot Com.
He covers the Chicago Bears on a daily basis. They
added CJ. Gardner Johnson this week the Bears. Did you
have a great story up there Kevin on just the
kind of problem he's been for teams off the field.
But they're desperate. I mean, this is a guy that
can cover the you know, the slot. Uh, they're gonna

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have their hands fall obviously in this game against the
Bengals with Higgins and Chase outside, but he can cover
players in the slot.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
There's no question about that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Was that a leap of faith for them because I
mean he's been with a lot of teams and we
know why.

Speaker 12 (01:14:51):
Yeah, it's you know, generally not a good sign when
a team trains for you and then cuts to you
a few weeks later, like what happened in Houston, and
you have to dive into that when you're a Bear's team.
And I will say this is rare for the Bears
under GM Ryan Poles to bring in a player like
this who has bounced around as much as he has,
but I think there is faith.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
Obviously.

Speaker 12 (01:15:12):
Dennis Allen was the coach when Garter Johnson came into
the league, and Johnson had him for a little bit
or overlap was him at Detroit in twenty twenty three,
and Al Harris a secondary coach. It's a no nonsense
guy who's got a lot of respect in this league,
a lot of respect from fielding. I think you're certainly
counting on him to help, but you're right, they need it.
You saw Tyer Huntley and the Ravens really attack the

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Bears backup corners last week and do so successfully.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
So to get a veteran who's.

Speaker 12 (01:15:41):
Competitive as they all get out, and you know what,
sometimes in this league, I mean, you got to be.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Careful with it and you got to harness it.

Speaker 12 (01:15:49):
But sometimes it's okay in this league to have somebody
who can be a pest. And the Bears don't really
have a whole lot of guys like that, so maybe
you would like somebody who's a little bit more accomplished.
And it was a you know, cut in the middle
of the season, but he is an upgrade from what
they were using since Kyler Gordon got hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Okay, let's handicap this then seriously hurting a corner. You're
you're going to get Joe Flacco this week. There's no
doubt in my mind that whatever ailed him earlier in
the week, he's he'll be there on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
You know you're going to get Chase. You know you're
going to get Higgins.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
If you're Chicago, the running game here in Cincinnati has blossomed,
you also know that you're going to get a defense
it's not very good and probably won't have Trey Hendrickson.
I'm just I'm just I'm just wondering as you look
at this game and knowing all of that, and seeing
Chicago in the last four games before what happened in Baltimore,

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the way they played, just wondering, how do you handicap
this one?

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
How do you how do you see this one playing out?

Speaker 12 (01:16:49):
Yeah, it's I mean, you talk about the secondary injuries
for the Bear is going up against Chase and.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Higgins and that's a rough matchup.

Speaker 12 (01:17:00):
You know it was Rashan Bateman and Save Flowers were
making big plays against them last week. I can only
imagine what Jabar chases. They can turn you on the film.
I mean he's been beating double teams of good corners,
so I like that matter for Cincinnati, and as well
as the Bears have been creating takeaways this season, they're

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not gained after the passer very well. And if you
give Joe Flacko time, he'll kill you. And you know,
the Bears played him when he was in Cleveland and
twenty twenty three and he led a fourth quarter comeback
for the Ages in that game. Different coaching staff, different players,
but it was only two years ago. So I like
Cincinnati's chances to score a lot of points. And I

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just I know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
That the Bengals defenses has been rough.

Speaker 12 (01:17:48):
I have a lot of faith in the Bears coaching
staff to get things better, but you know, sometimes you
just got to see it to believe it, and I
haven't seen them from his Bears offense. I really think
they can fully take advantage of a Bengals defense. So
I haven't made like an official pick yet, but I
I can see I can see the Bengals finding a.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Way to win this one at home, and if it's a.

Speaker 12 (01:18:11):
Shootout, frankly, I'm taking I'm taking Flacco, uh and those
receivers over a Bears office and just hasn't gotten it
all together.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
I don't think anybody's buying into the Bengals defense down
here just yet. But this is an important game for Chicago.
I mean, after this, uh, they played in New York
at home, you would think that that's a winnable game
against the Giants. Then they got to go to Minnesota
division rivalry game, and then they played Pittsburgh. If you're
if you're Chicago, you would think your best shot here
maybe this game against the Bengals and then the Giants.

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Minnesota is going to get McCarthy back, we'll see how
that goes. And Pittsburgh is uh is a team that's
proven it could score some points. So this is kind
of a pivotal game. Right after that series of games,
they go to Philadelphia and then they got to go
to Green Bay. So my guess is they got to
make some sort of hay in these next four games
if they want to stay competitive, if not inside the

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division as one of the seven teams in the NFC.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Right, that's a great point.

Speaker 12 (01:19:08):
I mean, in the last five games, they're going to
be underdogs probably in all five.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
You got Philly, you got two against Green Bay.

Speaker 12 (01:19:17):
Sorry, they got they have Cleveland of homes, he'll be
favored in that game. So five of their six final
games they will be underdogs to Green Bay, uh, two
against Screen Bay, at Philly, Detroit, coming to Chicago, and
then at San Francisco on a Sunday night. So they yeah,
they've got to build a little cushion for themselves as
they enter that stretch. And this is a game that

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you know, look, they should win, but I would have
said they should have beat Baltimore with Tyer Huntley at
quarterbacks last week.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
And so yeah, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:19:46):
Ben Jonson improved in that Dallas game that they need
to prove anything to us, But that was a really
pivotal moment for them coming off just an ugly, ugly
loss in Detroit to make so many corrections and get
that win. And I'd like to think coming off the
loss against Baltimore that he has a capability to get
these guys in position to do it again. And and

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I'm curious what the Bengals look like coming off are
just a tough such.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
A tough loss to the Jets.

Speaker 12 (01:20:15):
You know, you don't have you don't have your star quarterback,
and you don't have your star defensive end.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
That's tough to get off the mat after.

Speaker 12 (01:20:22):
Losing a game like that to a team at the
JET So that's gonna be another interesting storyline the follow
You're right, this is this is a game that the
Bears really for their the way their season looks like,
you got to win this game.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Yeah, well that's why you and I live right. I mean,
the game is one thing, but the stories are the
are the even more intriguing things. Yes, drama abound, certainly
Bengals and Bears at take War Stadium. Kevin good stuff
can continue the good work at the Athletic really good stuff.
If you're if you're a football fan, it's it's a
great he's a great follow. But also if you're a
Bears fan, I can't think of a better guy to

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follow than Kevin at the Athletic dot Com.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Stay well, and I know you're coming to the game,
so we'll see you down here on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Thanks all right, thanks for letchen.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Bengals give up a lot of yards on the ground,
but the Bears are banged up in the backfield. DeAndre
Swift lead running back out, one of the backups Rashawn
Johnson out.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
So see if that makes a difference, You've.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Got to tackle people, man, You got to start tackling people.
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