Ken Broo Saturday -- 11/22/25

Ken Broo talks UC vs BYU and other college football news with Stewart Mandell of the Athletic, how judges across the nation are affecting Trump's policies with Kenin Spivak, information on the Epstein Files with Peter Shinn of Epstein Justice plus Chad Graff of the Athletic joins to talk about the Bengals taking on the Patriots

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Now your host Ken Brew on news radio seven hundred
wl WU.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Well, it would certainly seem to be him. Wherever you are,
hellever you may be listening, Welcome, it is now TI three,
You and me Bear Katz of course, play tonight. And
there's a lot about college football that is percolating around
the country today as well. We'll get to all of that,
And of course the news of the day is Joe Burrow.

(00:27):
Joe Burrow will not and OT will not play tomorrow
against the New England Patriots. He will not and OT
be activated. And we'll get into the whys and the
wherefores of that. And I'm sure what the metrics were
for Zach Taylor and his staff and certainly the team
doctors as to why he's not playing tomorrow. To me,

(00:51):
it makes infinite sense. And I think it makes infinite
sense for one reason. You have another game coming up
on Thanksgiving night. You have a player that is by
most accounts, a month ahead of his recovery time, his
projected recovery time from toe surgery, And so do you

(01:12):
really want him on the field tomorrow for four hours
and then coming back four days later and playing in
a division game on the road against a team that
everybody knows can beat you up. I think it's prudent
and I think it's wise, not just from a physical
or medical standpoint, but also from a strategic standpoint. We'll

(01:33):
get into that in a little bit, but that's the
headline that has come out here in the last couple
of hours. It has come out from national writers Ian Rapaport,
Adam Schefter and folks like that. So there was great
debate as to whether or not he would be put
on the active roster in time for tomorrow's game. That
had to happen by four o'clock this afternoon. But all

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of that is now moot. It will be Joe Flacco
tomorrow by Jake Browning, and so there you go. Now
what that does to the Bengals strategically, I can't tell you.
All I can tell to you is the hottest team
in football is coming to Cincinnati, and that would be
the New England Patriots. Tonight. It is finally Nip at Night.

(02:19):
Nip at Night is tonight, and we have waited two
years for this. If you're a UC fan, you know
there is no greater atmosphere at Nippert Stadium than a
night game NIP at night, and it hasn't happened for
a couple of years. It happens now. Obviously because of television.
Folks that are televising this game dictate what time and

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where it falls and whatnot, along with what the conference says.
But it makes infinite sense. You have BYU. BYU is
number eleven in the country at six and one inside
the conference, and you see is at five and two.
If things fall the right way this weekend, you can
have absolute chaos in the Big Twelve Conference for every

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team not named Texas Tech. Texas Tech is seven and one.
They've got to buy this weekend. But you could have
you tadd six and two. You could have Houston at
six and two. You could have BYU at six and two,
and you see at six and two if it winds
up with a win tonight, and that's what we're going
to focus on right now. This is a big game
for you. See, they have not performed well the last

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couple of games, and to stay relevant in the conversation
for things like a Big Twelve championship, as remote as
that may be, or even god dare we think of
a spot in the college football playoff. I know settled down,
Ken does not get avent ourselves here. Just calm down
for a minute. But if we are to think about

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things that are important over and above the football game tonight,
it's going to be a win over BYU and Scott
Centerfield this week. The U see head coach. I mean,
he knows what's up and he knows the lethality if
indeed that's a word of the BYU offense.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
You know, I just think they're very efficient in what
they do offensively, and in Bachmeer is taking care of
the football. You know, I think the one game they
turned it over a couple of times, maybe against Texas
Tech now was the one game they lost this year.
So they just very efficient offense, and they're therefore, you know,
when you play great defense, when the.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Fishing, you give yourself a chance to win. Bachmeyer the
quarterback great first name, Bear Bachmeyer thirteen touchdowns, four interceptions,
completing sixty three percent of his passes. So what about
this and a few other nuggets in college football? We
call upon one of the truly great sports writers in
this country when it comes to all things college football.

(04:39):
He's a local boy that made good and now he
is the chief college football writer for Theathletic dot Com,
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I say that as a consumer, I get not a
nickel from say that. And let's welcome him on and

(05:02):
Stuart Mandell, how are you in this glorious game day.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
I'm good, I'm well.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
I am looking forward to Nip at Night. We haven't
had a nip at Night here in two years, and
of course tonight it's BYU that's in town. It has
not gone so well for U see the last couple
of weeks. But they've got a good b YU team
that's in here thanks to a quarterback in Bear Bachmeier
who seems to be taking at least his part of

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the country by storm. A little bit about b YU.
You've seen b YU. I'm sure what stands out to
you except their quarterback or maybe in addition to their quarterback.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Well, he's a big part of it for sure. He
you know, came in as a true freshman and it
wasn't even there in the spring, but it's Stamford in
the spring and ends up winning the job, and he's
played very well save for the one game against that
Tech Texas Tech has made a lot of quarterback book. God,
they have an amazing defense, right, so and then they
can put by us, not just him. They can run

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the ball to and you can usually count on Cloney's
pocket to have a pretty good defense.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
L J.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Martin is there is their chief running back. Six touchdowns.
But what I like about Blackmeier is that he distributes well.
I was watching, Uh it might have been the Tech game,
but Chase Roberts terrific player, Parker Kingston terrific player. This
is a diverse offense. It's gonna be very difficult I
think for for University of Cincinnati to defend this offense.
If they get on a roll tonight. What are they

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doing defensively, b YU anything out standing?

Speaker 4 (06:32):
I wouldn't say outstanding. I think they've been good, not
so you know, dominant. They've had some really really good
defenses there recently in the last few years. But to
their credit, right, I mean, they only lost the one game.
I think they've looked at defense or as the season
got on. You know, I think it's good for UC
that it's there that they're not traveling to Provo for

(06:54):
a night game. You know, that would have been a
tough tast.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, absolutely absolute. Brendan Sorosby's come back down to Earth
the last couple of weeks, and what he's seeing a
lot of is man coverage, and so far he has
not handled it very well. You're you're just your impressions
of Sorsby. I think he's a good quarterback. I think
he has a chance to be a great quarterback if
indeed he decides to come back here again next year.

(07:19):
But the fact of the matter is this man coverage
thing has been a problem for him the last couple
of weeks. I'm just wondering in college football as a whole,
is man coverage that difficult for an elite quarterback in
college football to handle? How does that work?

Speaker 6 (07:38):
Well?

Speaker 4 (07:38):
I think it more depends on the receivers, right. I mean,
you a man coverage, you're betting that you can that
your guys are not going to get beat one on one, Right.
I would not recommend doing that, for instance against Ohio State,
but these defenses seem to think they can handle you
these receivers. The Utah game, you know, was one thing,
right that was he played very poorly that game. But

(08:01):
Utah Utah is very good. I mean you Stah had
the misfortune to lose two games to the two most
important teams they've played. Otherwise I think they'd be in
the stick of the playoff raase right now. The Arizona
one surprised me. Arizona's obviously had a better year this
year than they did last year, but I don't think
they are known as a great defensive team necessarily, so

(08:24):
that performance was a little puzzling. And you know what
else is puzzling? Can is why for the second straight
year or you see having a backslide over the backstretch
of the season right now? It's obviously they're far enough long.
It's not like last year where they have mist a
bowl game, right they got off to a much better
start than that. But can they uh reverse this slid

(08:44):
and to get a big win here against the team
that in b i U is as of this moment,
right on the cuff of a playoff berth.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Yeah, that's a great comparison from this from last year.
This year. Yeah, they fell off off the cliff last year,
but I'm looking here at the big twelve. I mean
I guess there's a chance that the University of Cincinnati
could win this conference. But I'm looking at Tech at
seven and one, they got to buy this week they
play West Virginia in their final game, that you would

(09:13):
think that would be a win eight and one would
you would think at the very least allow them to
tie for the conference championship. But there's a lot of teams.
Two lost teams in this conference right now, Bearcats five
and two inside the conference, Arizona five and two, Houston
five and two, Utah five and two, And if BYU

(09:33):
doesn't win here tonight at Nippert, they fall to five
to six and two. So I'm just I'm just wondering,
even though it's an outside chance for any of those teams,
do you anticipate Texas Tech fumbling at this point this season?

Speaker 4 (09:48):
First of all, I'm not good enough at math to
know how those tie breakers would resolve. Like Cincinnati has
a chance to throw the Big twelve into total ko
outside of Tech.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
With a win tonight.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Have Yeah, with a win, they're going to send the
Big twelve into a five way tie and depending what
the other teams do, obviously, but a five way high
per second and then they don't play each other the
next week. So you know, I do know that there
is a there's a great site that does all these
tiebreaker scenarios, and pretty much any of those multi team
tiebreakers favorite Utah. So because the youth played the toughest

(10:24):
conference schedule. So that could be in a really interesting
situation that BUYU loses, they beat Utah, but get beat
out by Utah for the Big Twelve title game. Texa
Tech is rolling. I think. You know, at this point
it's clear they are the most talented team in the
Big Twelve, but that doesn't mean they couldn't lose, for instance,
to Utah in a rematch in the Big Twelve title game.

(10:47):
The thing about that is Texas Tech. I think at
this point, once they lose twice, if tex Attack is
eleven and two, they're going to go to the playoffs.
And so it's going to take somebody knocking them off
probably to get a second Big Twelve team in.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah. I mean, and you look what Utah has left.
I mean, they got Kansas State, uh later on the
same afternoon, and they play at Kansas next week. You
would think those are two wins for Utah, But yeah,
I mean if Texas Tech, I mean, if they go
to eight and one, I mean, obviously it's it's over.
I love the Big twelve in this sense, and I
know you will view all of this stuff globally, but

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I love it in this sense. Is you see the
ball up on any game in any week, and for
the most part, you don't know how this conference is
going to play out. It's got to be the most balanced,
not only statistically but in terms of talent on the
in the in the power for conferences. It's not it's
not certainly the best conference, but I think it's the

(11:41):
most competitive conference. Would you disagree with that statement, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
I think it's the for the most part, the flattest conference.
You know, look at at Arizona State last year, you know,
rising up and winning it, and they've fallen a little
bit this year, but not too much. But you know,
I think if you were if an NFL scout with
the size of BYU's roster and let's say Iowa State's roster,
I don't think they've too much difference there. But Iowa

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State haven't caught some breaks this year, including injury.

Speaker 6 (12:10):
Now Texas Seconds.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
Kind of come in and disrupted that formula, Like, they
went out and spent the money and built themselves a
roster that I think could compete for the top in
any conference, not just the Big twelve. So they're not
kind of stuck in that they're not in that log game,
I guess, I would say, But you know, nobody knows
if that's going to continue, Like are they going to

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be able to spend twenty five million dollars a year
after year after year in this new system? But most,
for the most part, these programs are very evenly matched.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, it is. And what's interesting is you mentioned BYU
on the cusp of a playoff spot. You've got three
Big twelve teams right now in the latest rankings among
the top twelve. Now, well three obviously aren't going to
get in, but I mean, could you could see a
scenario where two Big twelve teams would make the playoffs?

Speaker 5 (13:00):
Right?

Speaker 4 (13:01):
I think that to me has a lot of respect
for those top three teams and the Big twelve, And
you're seeing that they just don't have as much respect
for them as they do the SEC. And so you see,
you know, like in Oklahoma when at Alabama and moves
jumps up over them. I would love. I would be
so to see what would happen if Frankly wouldn't take
as many dominoes for this to happen, Vanderbilt and Utah

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competing for the last that large spot because people would
automatically some people would automatically default to the SEC team.
But they both have two losses now Vanderbilt two spots
behind them. Is Vanderbilt beating Tennessee at the end of
the season going to make me that much of your
difference that they would leave problem? In other words, if
that were to happen, that tells me they're never going
to the big tall team to benefit the doubt over

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the SEC. Because right now it's like does you saw
have us? Can you taw keep moving up or do
you or they have Utah right at the ceiling that
they're not going to be able to move past.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
You know, we're going to see stoops in Kentucky can
throw a wrench into that later on this afternoon, right yeah, no, UK,
it looks like we're going to get Ohio State Indiana
in the Big Ten championship game. What would you expect
in a game like that? And I mean you got
I mean there are one two right now in the
in the playoff rankings, But what would you expect if

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those two played in the Big Ten championship game.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah, it would be fascinating, It really would because I
think most people would say, well, I think Ohio State
is the better team all christ Indiana, but you know,
Ohigo State. I have watched them, they're at another level,
and that may be true, but I have State's schedule
has broken in a way that we really haven't seen
them play. Honestly since the Texas game. Anybody that's near them,

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they didn't play. They haven't played AYU yet. They didn't
play Oregon. They're bout They're going to finally play Michigan here,
they don't play usc They've just spent their whole season
playing kind of the dregs of the Big Ten. So
I'll be fascinated when they finally go up against the
team on level. I'd be fascinated to see Fernando Mendos
that go against you know, stay defense is unbelievable, right,

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go against them. Can Indiana handle those will have a
state receivers? I don't think so, But I don't know that.
I don't know that any pretty much any team in
the country.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Stuart Mandeltheathletic dot Com our guest, I'm hopscotching here. Is
Brian Kelly ever going to have another college head coaching job?
And if so, at what level would anybody be interested
in him?

Speaker 6 (15:32):
So?

Speaker 4 (15:32):
I think it's a little bit different situation than James Franklin,
who obviously he's got another job already. James Franklin wanted
a very high level offense that he just couldn't quite
get him over the top, right, And I feel like
that Brian kelly lsu tenure was not was not that
way they frankly underachieved. On top of that, he's a
very polarizing guy. Uh, he reves a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
The wrong way.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
If he if he coaches again, I would think it
would be down the level or two. And he's he's
been in that level before, Right, It's just how much
does he want to keep coaching? Would he be willing
after being in the SEC to go coach a team
in the American right or the MAC whatever.

Speaker 7 (16:15):
It may be?

Speaker 4 (16:16):
And I don't know his at his point he might
just stay him done. But if you want to lashue money,
he's got to at least look for a comparable job.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, yeah, I I The only the reason why I
ask is you talk about a polarizing figure. He's not
polarizing in this town by any stretch of the imagination.
He left on the wrong side of the equation. But
he does. He does really kind of represent I think,
kind of like a hired gun, if you know what
I mean. You know, you could you could, you could

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hire him at, for example, a MAC school or Conference
USA school, and all of a sudden, your program is
elevated to a point where maybe you can dream about
getting into one of those slots if the playoff is expanded.
But I just I just think it's going to be
very tough for any school to look at him and say,
you know, this is our guy, knowing full well that

(17:07):
if he has any success at that level, he's probably
out the door for the next big job that comes
down the pike.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
But I kind of expect to see him on ESPN
next year. Oh really, you know, I'm just guessing how
the inside information. But you know, he's he's very charismatic.
I think he'd be very good.

Speaker 6 (17:24):
On TV, you know.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
And he's at a point, and he's sixty four, he's
at a point where like maybe he has one more
coaching job in him, so we'll see. I haven't heard
any inkling that he's in the mix for any of
the more prominent jobs in the cycle.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
But as you say, if he wants at LSU money,
he better start looking right.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
Yeah, those mitigating First of all, he's trying to come
up with some reason the fire and for cause and
that fame at all. Brian Kelly filed that lawsuit. Oh
by the way, having a lawsuit against one of the
schools is also not something that school, you know, another
school would love to hang you over it. But yeah,
he does if he wants to get that money and
follow the the you know, the contract it does. It

(18:06):
has a mitigating clause where he has to at least
seek a comparable child like James Franklin did.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah. Yeah, he's a piece of work. Stewart, thanks again
for your time, man, We appreciate it. Stuartmandeldyathletic dot Com
great great coverage of college football, and he is obviously
at the epicenter of it. All right, have a great Thanksgiving,
Stewart will visit down the road.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Thanks all right, Yeah, I have a great Thanksgiving again.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Absolutely, So you got Ohio State on the field right
now with Rutgers. It is up at the shoe with
seven fifty to go first quarter, it is scoreless, and
Ohio State is playing without their two top wide receivers,
Tate and Smith. Later on this afternoon, you've got Kentucky
at Vanderbilt. That is a three point thirty kickoff. We

(18:53):
talked about college football playoff implications in that game for Vanderbilt,
and then of course you have BYU and you tonight
at nip Indiana is off this weekend. They are at
Purdue this coming Friday night. So there's local college football
and of course all counting down to the college football Playoff.
What twelve teams make. It seems to me that Indiana

(19:15):
and Ohio State, barring they're really wild unforeseen, will both
be in. But who knows. As a wise man once said,
that is why they play the games. We are just
getting started on this Saturday. It's great to have you
with us as we press on TILL three News Radio
seven hundred WLW. You know, is there is there ever

(19:41):
a bad time for scorpion? Klauss Mighty, Klaus mighty. It's
plaut forty here on the East coast, and in particular
the great city of Cincinnati. Welcome Black. I am ken
Brew for what it's worth. In a big noon kickoff today,

(20:02):
you know as that pregame show, they came to the
friendly confines of Knippers Stadium today presented by Fox Television.
Urban Meyer thinks you see is going to beat BYU tonite.
So there you go. It's kind of a fun show.
It's always a fun show. It's really really well put together.
And so they were there this morning, and then of

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course the game is tonight at eight o'clock and you
see rolls into this thing needing a win for a
number of reasons. One we just talked to Stuart Mandel
about it. They they had that fall off last year, right,
and so now they've lost a couple of games, and
they need to they need to get this thing back
on the rails. For nothing else than to stay in

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the conversation. It's totally out of their control and it
most probably is not going to happen, but at least
stay in the conversation that if something happened is to
Texas Tech the unthinkable losing it West Virginia I think
would be kind of on thinkable at this point. But Nevertheless,
if Texas Tech were to stumble that, they've got a
chance to be in the conversation if Domino's fall the

(21:08):
right way. But if nothing else, it stops the narrative
from last year that things fell off the cliff on
Scott Caderfield's team. Now, there's been a problem the last
several games, and that is opposing teams have been throwing
man de man coverage up against the University of Cincinnati's offense,

(21:29):
and Brendan Soorsby has not been handling it well, and
neither have the wide receivers at the University of Cincinnati.
Here is Scott Saderfield talking about Sworsby and that problem
this week.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
You know, we had four drops, potentially five drops in
that game. If our guys catch the football, then his
stats are going to look a lot different, you know,
And I think, you know, I think that's part. It's
not just Brndan. I thought I thought he had a
really bad decision on the first play of the game,
like that was awful, But really after that he really
played pretty good. I mean, he threw the ball good.
I mean, you know, that ball which has been forty
five to fifty yards added to his stats. I mean,

(22:03):
you got to catch that ball yet, And I think
got to catch you know, and our receivers will be
the first to tell you, yeah, I got to catch that,
you know. And I think so it it's not just
on one player.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
I mean, I think it's the whole team.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
You got to protect good, you got to run the
good routes, you got to make the catches and you know.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
So, yeah, absolutely can bounce back. Yeah, Sowresby knows the
rap too. He talked about it after the loss last week,
and yeah, he knows he's going They're going to see.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Now.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Not every team can play great Manda man coverage. And
I'd be lying to you if I said, yeah, I've
watched BYU all year and they played great man dea
man coverage. I have not. I've seen some of their
games and they have played man, they have played zone.
And my guess is that they've seen the tape of
Sorsby and see how he struggles with it and the
receivers in dropping passes. Here's the u SE quarterback earlier

(22:52):
this week on just this issue. You know, we kind of.

Speaker 8 (22:56):
Expected it, we expect you know, from the Utah game
on kind of what we were going to get and
you know, going back to there's a couple of decisions
I want back, but overall, I thought, you know, decision
making for the most part was pretty good. Some unfortunate,
you know, mishaps and a couple of misthrows, but you know,
at the end of the day, it's you just got
to go out there and cut loose and whatever happens happens.

(23:18):
And you know, we got to type that with that
mindset this week and you know, leave it all out
there and I think we'll.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Like what what the results is at the end of
the day. So you got five and two U see
at home for this eight o'clock kick BYU comes in
here at six and one. Those are conference records, not
overall records. And the over arching thing though, is it's
nip at night and we haven't had that in a
couple of years, and it's something that red shirt defensive
lineman Micah Coleman is really looking forward to. He's been

(23:46):
told about it, but he hasn't experienced it, so this
would be a cool thing for him tonight.

Speaker 9 (23:51):
Well, since I've got here, since I've came to campus,
nip at night has been something that everybody talks about
like the atmosphere. They say, it's a really the atmosphere.
So I just can't wait to see how the crowd looks,
how the fans go. You know, it's senior night, so
it's gonna be emotional, it's gonna be loud, crazy, and
I just really just want to send a seniors out
on the right note.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
So all the play by play begins at eight, the
pregame show at seven with mo Egger, and then as
I said, all the play by play at eight with
Tony Pike and the now never resting Dan Horde did
a basketball game last night. You see game tonight, Tomorrow's
got the Bengals, and Monday night he's got another U
see basketball game. Somebody should ask Dan, and if I

(24:36):
have the opportunity, I will. But you know what, here's
a question Tony Pike should ask Dan tonight in the booth.
How do you keep your voice in shape? Because there
are things you can use, sprays, you can drink hot
tea and honey. There's a lot of crud that's in
the air right now. It's only going to get worse.
He could do a whole thing, They could do a
whole segment on Throat Health with Dan Horde, Dan Antony,

(25:02):
and Mo tonight beginning at seven o'clock here on seven
hundred a W WELW now three point thirty. It is
Vanderbilt and UK in Nashville. Vandy is eight and two,
still very much in the conversation for a spot in
the college football playoff. Oh yeah they are. UK is
at five and five. It needs a win to get

(25:23):
Bold eligible. It plays this game today five and five,
and then finishes the regular season next week at Louisville.
It's not been a great year obviously for Kentucky football.
It wasn't even a great win last week against Tennessee Tech.
So this week Mark Stoops, who you know, has been
kind of dour in his news conferences, to be honest

(25:45):
with he was kind of kind of more jovial this week,
but he also addressed the ongoing situation where his defense
needs to be better. His team needs to be better,
but his defense needs to be better. Here's Stoops this week.

Speaker 10 (25:58):
You know, there's just there's we could we could finish better.
You know, there's there's things, there's you know, plays out
there where we just didn't finish the place. If we
finished the place we finished the series and give up
less points than we did. So there's a lot of
things we could do better across the board and execution.
You know, I appreciate our team's effort, you know the past.

(26:19):
You know they been playing well, but there's things we
could have done better. Yeah, Indiana is off, by the way,
this weekend. They play this Friday night at Purdue in
a game that always draws a lot of attention. Right now,
up in Columbus it is seven nothing Ohio State over Rutgers.
Rutgers has the ball at midfield and they're fixing, as

(26:41):
they say back in the old neighborhood, they're fixing to
go to quarter number two in Columbus, seven nothing Ohio
State after one. Now I don't want I'll get into
the Bengals later on. There is there is a game
tomorrow night at TQL Stadium that if you're a soccer fan,

(27:03):
you don't need to be told this. If you're an
FC Cincinnati fan, you don't need to be told this.
But even if you know this, it's good to hear
it again. This is a huge and I mean huge
football well it is football in some parts of a
soccer game. This is win or go on, loser go home.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
As the MLS playoffs continue, and it is FC Cincinnati
against Inner Miami at TQL and you know who plays
for Miami. Of course it's Messi. So there has been
success with games against Miami. When FC Cincinnati takes them on,

(27:45):
I believe they have a win and a tie over
Miami this year, and so there's at least an air
of confidence going into a game tomorrow that means more
than any game they've played against Miami ever, and understanding
that the opposition is led by Messi, so there's an
air of confidence. One of the best, if not the

(28:06):
best player on FCC side as a vander and he
was talking about that confidence that they have going into
this match tomorrow.

Speaker 11 (28:14):
He gave us a little bit of confidence because you
know how to play, played against them two games and
he were good games that we did. But it's it's
a playoff, so it can be a total different game.
So you've got to be ready for that. Even though
you have like a lot of experience guys that can
handle the game this game pretty well, we need to

(28:36):
be aware of that everything can happen during the game.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
This is a kick tomorrow night at TQL and as
I said, they've had they've had success against Miami, success
against Messi. They had a believe that had a six
nil decision over Miami last season, but Messi wasn't in
the lineup. He was out for some reason, suspension or whatever,
health I I don't know what it was. But Pat

(29:02):
noon in this week, the FC Cincinnati coach was talking
about how much those past games mean and what they
could do in terms of strategy tomorrow night, and from
listening to the coach, the answer to that is not much.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
You know, we didn't spend too much of our preparation
looking at those games, just based on.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
What it looks like now.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
And I think they're in really good form defensively, have
continued to get better. Offensively have gotten better.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
And that's why.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
We have this matchup is because they've they've been really
strong now.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
They both finished with sixty five points in the season.
FC Cincinnati had one more win then Inter Miami. Inter
Miami had three more ties than FC Cincinnati, and Inner
Miami outscored FC Cincinnati. Inter Miami had eighty one regular
season goals. FC Cincinnati fifty two. In Miami gave up

(29:57):
quite a few more than CINCINNATIFC Cincinnati in the regular season. Nevertheless,
that's the matchup tomorrow night. And Miles Robinson is back
from his team, his stint with the national team and
feeling pretty sassy, feeling pretty good about where his team
is right now. A lot of confidence overall, probably just
our intensity. We've got a good group of guys that are.

Speaker 9 (30:21):
Played very intense and play together as one as a unit,
and I think when we do that, we're at our best.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
So that's a five o'clock kick tomorrow at TQL Stadium,
five o'clock kick with in Miami. Winner moves on. These
are the conference semis, so you'll go to the conference
finals if you win. If you lose, of course you
go home. So there's what's on the docket at this hour.
It is twelve to fifty one on this Saturday afternoon,

(30:47):
so much to get to. We want to get to
a few other topics besides what's going on in the
world of sports, and we shall do. So you're listening
to Saturday Afternoons and it's you and me and what
else should it be? On seven hundred WLW seven hundred WLW.
It is a little after one o'clock. Well, not a little.
Let's want to wait on this Saturday. Great to have
you with us. A lot on the horizon. I believe

(31:10):
we have Sterling at three o'clock. In my gosh, you
would not look forward to that. And then we have
you see football at seven o'clock tonight, Nip at night,
you see against BYU. Stay tuned for all of that.
It has been I think a bad week for the Democrats.
There's no way to really craft it any other way.
They thought they had Trump dead to rights on these

(31:31):
Epstein files because they thought he wouldn't release him, and
he didn't. I think I don't know why Trump played
what he the way he played the files. But nevertheless,
there's nothing in there that's a smoking gun. If the
Democrats knew that there was something in there about Trump,
and it might have also included things about Bill Clinton
or Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, they wouldn't have given

(31:54):
a rats rear end about Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama or
Bill Clinton. They would have gone after Trump because there's
nothing that unites Democrats in this world more than their
unabashed and unabated hatred of Donald Trump. They would have
sacrificed plenty of their own if they thought they thought
there was anything in those files. There's not. But for

(32:15):
some reason, he sat on those files, and now that
they have been released, most of the stuff that's coming
out is either embarrassing or possibly incriminating for Democrats, and
we've only begun to see the tip of it. I'm
sure they're Republicans named in there as well, and some
high priced players, so we'll see where that leads. The

(32:36):
second thing is there were a group of Democrats this
week that put together a video led by Senator Moonbeam
out of Arizona, suggesting that the people that work in
intelligence in this country and our armed forces openly defy

(32:57):
orders from the commander in chief. That would be pret
Donald Trump. That would be nothing short of treason if
those people did that, sedition. But yet they put this
video out and then they tried to backtrack. Well, you
know what, we didn't we we know we didn't mean that,
you know, we man in case there's something unlawful, Well,
what did he say or order that was unlawful?

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Well?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Nothing, nothing, but we're just saying that. And then when
Trump threatened them with legal action that could lead to
their execution, which is a possibility if you are convicted
of treason or sedition. Just check out history. That's when, Oh,
my gosh, how could he say he's going to kill
people in the Senate. But he had to do that

(33:40):
to get the media's attention because the media is corrupt.
The people that deliver you the news don't want to
deliver you any news that might be in any way,
shape or form poor reflections on Democrats. That's the way
it is. I worked in that industry. I know what
it's populated with. And then, of course you had to
have a week where judge his way in. Judges like

(34:02):
Judge Ga Cobb, whose roots are not far from where
we're sitting right now. She declared that it's unlawful for
that National Guard to remain in Washington, d C. It's
unlawful despite the fact that Washington, d C. Is at
least a liveable city. Again. As a matter of fact,
since Trump took office in January, more than one hundred

(34:26):
federal court judges have ruled against the Trump administration. And
my gosh, imagine that most were Democrats judges running around
thinking they rule the world in their black robes with
their gabbles in hand and It prompted a good guest
of this program, Kennan Spivak from Real Clear Politics, to

(34:49):
write a story that hit home with me this week.
The Imperial judiciary strikes back. When will this end? When
will we finally get judges to stay in their lanes?
Kenny and Spivak standing by to join us right now. Kennan,
how are you on this glorious day?

Speaker 6 (35:06):
I am just wonderful. God, this is a good day.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
You sound good. You sound good. Now, let me ask
you a question. Have you ever seen in your time
observing politics the amount of judicial overreach that occurs in
these lower courts when it comes to all things Trump.
I go all the way back to the Kennedy. I've
never seen anything like this. Have you ever seen.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Anything like this?

Speaker 6 (35:33):
I have not, and I'm going to admit something terrible
for the audience. I graduated from law school more than
forty years ago. I have been looking at this for
a very long time. I have tridecases, I've argued appeals. Listen,
I'm a business person, but never have I seen anything

(35:56):
like this. The judges, let me take a step back.
They've been activist judges ever since the Earl Warren Court
in the nineteen fifties. These judges like Justice Douglas, who
famously found penumbers emanating from the Constitution, and in these
penumbers he found rights that had never been enumerated. And

(36:21):
I love Justice Douglas is on LSD, which was the
drug of choice in his era. But that was bizarre.
What we're seeing now is different. We're seeing judges go
on and on about their feelings. This judge, Susan Illiston,

(36:43):
who enjoyed the layoffs during the shutdown, said that the
federal workforce has been under great stress ever since Donald
Trump was elected, and these layoffs are just traumatizing to them,
and therefore they can't seed. It's snowflakes and safe spaces.

(37:04):
And I just don't feel good. It's just not nice.
And that's not what federal judges are supposed to be doing.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Well, it's not And as you point out in your
story on Real Clear Politics, it's political did in analysis
and eighty seven of the one hundred and fourteen federal
judges who have ruled against the administration were appointed by
Democrat presidents. And it's this activism on these benches that
seem to be unchecked unless you get to a court

(37:34):
above them. It's just it's running a mark, and the
average person walking around the street here in Cincinnati canon
feels that they're paralyzed. They can't do anything about these judges.
They can't be removed. There's no vote that's going to
be held, and it's like it's like the Imperial God
handing down a judgment and then the old boys club
above them just no, maybe so, maybe no. But when

(37:58):
it's initially handed down, people are standing there saying, wait
a minute, that's not the way this thing should operate.
So if we know that, why do these judges know that?
Can they not check their ideology at the door?

Speaker 6 (38:13):
Well, most judges do, and most judges do know that.
But that's why, so let's look away.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
The system works.

Speaker 6 (38:19):
A plaintiff, an anti Trump administration, anti coop administration policy
plaintiff brings a lawsuit. Almost always, that lawsuit has proper
jurisdiction in Washington, DC, because the agency is based in Washington, DC.
Often is also proper jurisdiction in one of the other
districts around the country, because the worker is there, the

(38:41):
union is there, the nonprofit that didn't get its funding
is there. Any number of reasons at the beginning of
this process, Normally, these lawsuits would have been filed in DC,
San Francisco, and Boston, which were districts that were almost
completely Biden Obama Clinton progressive appointees, because the cases were

(39:04):
assigned by luck of the draw, and you were much
more likely to get a progressive judge. As time goes on,
the system changes a little. Cases are assigned to it's
called related cases, and a lot of the cases they're
being filed now it's something to do with the case
that's already been filed. So if it turns out that

(39:25):
a case, let's just say, even in Boston went to
a judge that's a conservative, you just don't file in Boston.
You go file someplace where it went to the progressive.
We've reached the point by now because for ten months
into the administration where these plantifs know exactly where a
file because they know where the related case went to

(39:45):
the judge that's their favorite. There's a reason we keep
hearing the same five or ten judges over and over
again coming up for a whole range of cases. It's
a combination of the luck of the draw and they
just that the plaintiff chooses and this related case activity.
So that's a long way of saying hundreds of hundreds

(40:08):
and hundreds of federal court judges do the right thing.
It only takes thirty or forty of them to be
completely amok, like James Bosberg, who's publicly said that he
thinks the Trump administrations run amock can act unconstitutionally and
has to be contained, or most of the judges in

(40:29):
the Washington d C. In the District of Columbia Circuit.
It doesn't take that many judges to have a judicial
insurrection against the elected president.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Sure, we've heard the name Judge Colleen Kohler Coatelli when
the old proof of citizenship thing popped up. She's reared
her head several times. We just got a judge Ga Cobb,
who ironically is from just up the road here in Springfield, Ohio,
who ruled that the National Guard's presence in Washington DC
is quote unquote unlawful. Yeah, we're seeing the same judges

(41:01):
because there's judge shopping that's going on. I am of
the opinion, and this is I'm not a lawyer. You're
a lawyer. So I'm just someone that is just just
looking at this that the Supreme Court has got to
slap some of these people down, and not by referring
to them as the court, but by referring to them
as in name, name the judge and say your ruling

(41:25):
was wrong. The Court is growing weary of having these
cases in front of us. I just think if John
Roberts would just stand up and just take charge of
that court and just say no first of all or
inundated second of all, these are the same kind of
acts that are coming in front of us. They're from
the same circuit. Why won't the Supreme Court, and in

(41:46):
particular John Roberts stand up and name names.

Speaker 6 (41:51):
In deo sense, Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas had effectively
name names. I don't see John Roberts doing it. Why
won't you do it? It's not who he is, it's
not in his nature. I don't think he'll do it.
I don't think that you'll see that in a majority opinion. However,

(42:11):
even Elena Kagan, in a case where she disagreed with
the outcome, had the fortitude and the honesty to join
with the majority and slop down one of these judges
who ignored one of their previous rulings and had clearly
run amook. So there is an integrity and there is

(42:32):
an honesty even among some of the justices who don't
agree with the ruling, but who do agree that precedent controls.
Rulings run downhill, and federal judges have to have to
follow it. You know, there's a joke that was in
an opinion the other day, and I think this shows
the problem with the federal judiciary in Texas. Texas registrict

(42:56):
hats starting this whole national redistricting tite. A three judge
panel last week found that this redistricting violated Section two
of the Voter's Rights Act because it was racially motivated. First,
that's probably not true, but let me not spend a
lot of time on that. And second, the strophe in

(43:18):
court is about probably to rule that Section two the
Voter Rights Act is itself unconstitutional. That's the case that
came up a few weeks ago. But if you were
both of those, the descent, which is one of the
stronger descents I've ever read, told a joke or two jokes.
I don't know why he decided to put jokes. Maybe

(43:39):
he's the heady young man of judges, But let me
just read it, because it really does make the point.
He said, there's an old joke. What's the difference between
God and a federal district judge? Answer? God doesn't think
he's a federal judge. Or he had said, here's another version.
An angel rushes to the head of the heavenly host
and said, with a problem, God has delusions of grandeur.

(44:04):
The head angel calmly replies, what makes you say that?
And the first angel answers, he's wearing his robe and
keeps imagining he's a federal judge.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
That's okay, right.

Speaker 6 (44:19):
So that's what we're seeing. I call it the imperial judiciary.
Some call it a judicial insurrection. They're not wrong. We're
seeing thirty or forty or fifty judges because not every
ruling against the Trump administration is a judge run amok.
They may be sustained or overruled, but not everything Donald

(44:40):
Trump does is so clearly permissible that the overwhelming majority
of these cases are nonsensical decisions where judges are substituting
their political judgment for that of the president. Courts don't
even have jurism diction to rule on political judgments. They're

(45:04):
supposed to say to a plaintiff, I'm sorry, I have
to dismiss your case. That's a political question. We're here
for judicial questions instead. These judges, whether they think they're
God and they think they're the president, they think that
their opinion is more important or better than the president

(45:27):
because they have Trump derangement syndrome and they're smarter.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
You. Yeah, And I think if I'm one of the
Supremes right now, I don't care what side of the
aisle or who nominated you, or what your political beliefs are,
whether it's Kagan or whether it's Thomas. These lower court
judges challenging, openly challenging Supreme Court decisions. You point out

(45:53):
in this that now you've got judges like Boseburg and
judges like Judge James Hoe and Judge Atlason Burrow, all
in their own way challenging rulings that came down from
people they should answer to. There's almost an avenue for
disrespect that's been opened up for the Supreme Court. I'm
not saying the Supreme Court is infallible or they don't

(46:15):
make the right judgments all the time, of course not.
But I'm just saying at a certain point you have
to defer to someone who's got a little more cloud
than you do. And it seems like that avenue of
respect is starting to get a little bumpy. Do you
notice that as well? I do.

Speaker 6 (46:33):
And let me say this. We live in a country
governed by the rule of law, and it's actually not
important whether a lower court judge believes that the analysis
in the Supreme Court's decision was flawed. It's not even
important if they correctly observe that there's a fact error

(46:53):
in a Supreme Court decision that may have influenced their
ultimate decision. Our system only works when lower courts follow
the precedence within their circuit and ultimately the precedent set
by the Supreme Court. And that includes this so called
shadow docket or emergency docket. It's the main docket. It's

(47:16):
all the dockets. And when the Supreme Court says two
plus two is four, and a judge, because he's adding
one in three and comes to four, says, well, this
is a completely different situation. I don't have to follow
the Supreme Court. That undermines the rule of law. And

(47:38):
every judge took an oath to follow the rule of law,
and no one should have accepted a job as a
federal court judge who didn't intend to follow the rule
of law. You don't have to like it. You don't
have to like the decision.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
You just have to follow it, you know, kenn And
that's why we like you, not because you're articulate, but
you make sense. You know a lot of people are articulate,
but they don't make sense. You've married the two there.
I don't know if anyone ever told you that, but
I'm going to tell you that right now. And I
think your story here on the Imperial Judiciary Strikes Back
really struck a nerve with me, and anybody that's interested

(48:15):
in having that same nerve struck can find it on
RealClearPolitics dot com. It's always great having you on the show.
Stay well, Happy Thanksgiving, and I'm sure we'll visit soon
before the next holiday. But for your time today, thank you.

Speaker 5 (48:30):
You.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Bet I will I will Kenneth Spivack again. He can
find them on RealClearPolitics dot com. Look, there's no great
way to elect judges, and you go out, you have
to raise money. Right if you're a judge, you're running
for office, you got to raise money. Well, you're raising
money from people that may wind up in your court.
Think about that. Or you could appoint the judge. Well,

(48:53):
who's appointing the judge, Well, it turns out to be
somebody from a political party. Well what does that make
the judge?

Speaker 11 (48:58):
Then?

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Well that judge is a Democrat or publican. There's no
if there's a better way to elect judges than the
only two options we have right now, Please somebody explain
it to me. I don't know how you fix this,
and I think therein lies the frustration. It's one twenty
six News Radio seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Now your host Ken Brew on News Radio seven hundred
WLW two to ten.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
On this Saturday, will dive into the game tomorrow between
New England and the Bengals. Coming up after the news
at two thirty to day. Up in Columbus, Ohio State
fourteen Rutgers three, ten thirty three to go, third quarter.
It is yeah, it's a close game. Top two receivers
for Ohio State are out and so its a quarterback.

(49:49):
The two receivers are out because of injuries and the
quarterback is given way to the backup Klinhold. So we'll
see exactly how this plays out. But right now it's
a bit of a struggle up in the shoe for
the number one team in the country. Stay tuned for
details on that. Did you notice how nobody gave a

(50:10):
rats rerand about the Epstein files until Donald Trump was
re elected in November of last year. These files have
been out there for most of the last fifteen years.
Epstein was convicted in twenty eight. When George W. Bush

(50:32):
was in office, he didn't give a rats ass about him.
Obama didn't. After Obama Trump came into office, and that's
when Epstein allegedly offed himself in prison. And there was
always these murmuring about files, and it was part of
the campaign, right Trump. Donald Trump said I'm going to

(50:52):
release the files the minute I get into office. Well,
there was foot tracking after he got into office. But
the only time Democrats seem to really care about them
is after Trump was inaugurated. And that's where we heard
Epstein files, Epstein files, Epstein files. Because they knew that
from an idea standpoint, it was a party that was
simply broke, it had none, so they tried to stop

(51:14):
Trump with courts and with files from Epstein. Well, finally
the files were released this week and quite frankly, Donald
Trump did not have to wait for congressional approval. He
could have just released them on his own, but he
did not. So why was that? You never know in Washington,
d C. And someone that is trying to get to
the bottom of it is my next guest. His name

(51:37):
is Lieutenant Colonel retired Pete Chin petershin War the uniform
of this country, awarded the Bronze Star, served time in
Afghanistan and now is part of a group that is
trying to get the real information of these files out
for no other reason than to help the victims and
let them have their day in court, so to speak.

(52:00):
Epstein Justice dot Com is where you can find Peter Shen,
but we have found him here now on seven hundred
w welw to talk about all of this and Peter Shen,
how are you on this glorious Saturday.

Speaker 7 (52:13):
I'm fantastic, Ken, I'm glad to be with you again
and it's a real pleasure to be here.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Well, I'm interested in the story that you wrote.

Speaker 5 (52:21):
It.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
It was written obviously before this interview that we're doing.
It was written earlier this past week about why it
took Donald Trump to send everything to Congress, when in actuality,
all he had to do was by executive orders, say
release these files, and then the files would have been
released by the DOJ. What do you figure was the
strategy behind all of that.

Speaker 7 (52:44):
You know, it's difficult to look into the head of
our chief executive and I would never presume to say
what the president was thinking. But what I would say
is that this is an issue that is an embarrassing
one for President Trump. The reality is that even though
they apparently cut ties meant for an extended period of

(53:08):
time in Donald Trump's adult life, apparently one of his
best friends was Jeffrey Epstein, or perhaps it's more accurate
to say that one of Jeffrey Epstein's best friends, to
the extent that he even had a friendships, if you
could call him, that was Donald Trump. Now it's an embarrassment,
obviously for the President to be associated with the most

(53:31):
notorious child sex trafficker in American history.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
And I get that.

Speaker 7 (53:36):
And so you know, President Trump is a notoriously proud
and a tenacious man. And I think that once he
had made up his mind that he was going to
avoid embarrassment by avoiding releasing these files, it's been very
difficult for him to change course, and then he faced

(53:56):
a pretty significant rebuke from Congress, and so you get
ahead of that. He instructed Republicans to vote for it
versus being humiliated in a legislative sense. But you know,
to me, I think it would have it would have
made just as much sense for him to let Congress
do his thing, do his thing, and then he could

(54:18):
veto it if he wanted to. But I don't really
know why the President is conducting his strategy related to
the Epstein files the way that he is. From my standpoint,
the most embarrassing information about the relationship between President Trump
and Jeffrey Epstein has pretty much already emerged, and if

(54:41):
there's if there's more, well then that would be that
would of course be disturbing. I don't believe that there is.
But the answer your question directly, Ken, I really don't
know why the president is doing a source of terrific
speculation because the approach really did not make sense.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Well, he did sign, he did sign the bill when
it came to his desk, and now it's out there.
But you know, the narrative that I've heard from those
that support Trump is well, Jeffrey Epstein really wanted to
collect power, and he really wanted to cultivate people who
had power, and there, in fact, is why he and

(55:24):
Trump became I guess friends. But the fact of the
matter is is the guy like power. But in the end,
it sounded like when Trump did a one to eighty
on him, he kind of hated Trump. And it seems
to me that there's more info in these files about
Democrats at this point than there is about Donald Trump.
I know we haven't seen everything, but so far what

(55:45):
we've seen has been more, has been more implicating Democrats,
and it has anybody that I've seen on the Republican
side of this argument, do you have any information that
might be different from what I've.

Speaker 7 (55:56):
Seen, Well, first of all, I would just ain't clear
that Epstein Justice doesn't approach this issue as a partisan matter.
And it really doesn't matter to us as an organization
whether it's Democrats implicated or Republicans implicated, or Libertarians or independence.
What we want is everybody who's involved to be exposed.

(56:18):
You know, for example, you know some of the emails
that have come out from some of the materials that
have already been released by the House Oversight Committee, have
you know, I think put Larry Summers in a very
very who was a former treasury secretary for the Clintons,
in an absolutely horrifying life.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
And he's rightly.

Speaker 7 (56:43):
Stepping back from his duties and all this sort of things.
But a guy like that, I mean, he should be
publicly humiliated. He associated with one of the most notorious
child sex traffickers and asked him for advice on how
to get into the pants a sense of one of
the of his students. So this is the guy that,

(57:05):
if he doesn't face any legal or or civil sanctions,
should at least be publicly ashamed and humiliated and not
be allowed in public life ever again. And listen, I
think I think all of the people that are involved
need to be at the least exposed and brought to
the light and publicly shamed. Sometimes in certain cases there

(57:27):
may not be legal action that's available to take against
people who are involved.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
For I'm not a lawyer, but I know how.

Speaker 7 (57:33):
Difficult it can be to bring actual charges and get convictions.
But at a minimum, we should at least have the information,
as an American people about who was actually involved, who
did what, and who got what from it.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Oh, absolutely I don't. I don't think you're going to
get pushed back from anybody except perhaps the people that
are implicated in these things. You know what I what
I what I'm having trouble with is is these files
have been around for a long time time. They were
around certainly when Joe Biden was president, and I just
find it interesting and disturbing, quite frankly, that people are

(58:09):
only getting religion on this since Donald Trump took office
in January. I mean before that, you know, Joe Biden,
and even when he had controls of both House, US
Congress and the US Senate, they had no interest in
exposing the people that were in these files, let alone
talk about them. I mean, I find that a little

(58:29):
disingenuous by people on the left, don't you.

Speaker 7 (58:34):
Well, again, I'm a nonpartisan, I'm a registered independent.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
No, But I'm just saying, just as someone who is
concerned about this, it would seem to me that if
these things are as damning as they were, you know,
why weren't they out there in twenty twenty at the
very least. I think Epstein died in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,
why weren't they released at that point? That's a great question.

Speaker 7 (58:58):
Why went or you can go back through each successive
administration and asked the same thing. I mean why because
we've been we've been fighting for disclosure for a long time. Uh.
And and my partner, Nick Bryant, is the investigative journalists
who both found and then took three years to get
him to get anybody to publish but publish Jeffrey Epstein's

(59:19):
Little Black Book.

Speaker 11 (59:20):
Uh. You know.

Speaker 7 (59:23):
The thing about that is that when he did that
and when he got that information out into the public,
even at that time when President Barack Obama was president,
we were, you know, my partner and Nick was calling
for disclosure, you know, more than a decade ago. So
it's not just it's not just the Trump administration. It's

(59:45):
not just the Biden administration. It's the Obama administration. It's
the first Trump administration. It's the George W. Bush administration.
I mean, it's it's the George W. Bush administration that
uh empowered you know, Alexandra Aposta to make the sweetheart
deal with Jeffrey Epstein back in two thousand and eight that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Basically let them go free for.

Speaker 7 (01:00:12):
Instead of being put underneath the jail cell for child
sex abuse. So I mean, I guess what I'm saying
is that that's a question that can be asked of
every administration, both Republican and Democrat, since two thousand and five,
and certainly I agree with you that to me, it
has certainly been I think a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
I don't know if i'd use the word disingenuous.

Speaker 7 (01:00:38):
Maybe one word for it, but another word may be
just revolving, to mean, it's been revolting to watch Democrats
who have taken and a Republicans do who heretofore, who
have taken no interest in this matter, all of a sudden,
when it's going to put the screws to President Trump. Now, i'
mean this isn't about President Trump necessarily. This is about

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getting justice for the victims. When the largest most horrific
child sex trafficking network ever to be uncovered on humans
on American soil is revealed but then covered up, well,
you know, how can victims feel like they're ever going
to get any healing? How can victims feel like they're

(01:01:21):
safe if the entire thing continues to be pushed under
the rug and the official position.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Of the US government still remains that the victims are liared.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Yeah. I mean, the thing that baffles me on all
this is during the election of twenty twenty four, Trump
said during that election that he wanted the files out.
We're just going to get him out. We're going to
release him. And then he's in office for three weeks
and Pam Bondi is appointed general manager General Attorney General
and she says, they're on my desk and I'm going
to release him. And then there was all of this

(01:01:50):
foot dragging until this past week when they were finally released. Yeah, don't.
I just don't understand that game, because if the Democrats
had any thing on Donald Trump, we would have heard
about it in the last election cycle or in the
time that Joe Biden was in office. I mean, the
one thing that unites Democrats more than anything else is

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this unabashed, unobated hatred of Donald Trump. They could care
less about Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton. That's the
guy that unites Democrats in their hatred. And if they
had something they would have, they would have this would
have been out in the public long before right now.
So I have, for the life of me, I can't
figure out why Trump would drag his feet on this thing,

(01:02:35):
knowing full well that you know, whatever he was implicated
in was not anything that was going to get him
impeached or deny him on an election in twenty twenty four.
I just it just baffles me the way this thing
was played out. And I know you say you don't,
you don't want to take sides politically, but at the
very least you have to admit it strange.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
Right, Oh yeah, well, but I'm so let's let's just
think about this first and.

Speaker 7 (01:03:00):
Ken, what would motivate the president of the United States,
who's already been president once by the way, he's on
the campaign trail. He says, look, I'm going to release
the files. He's maybe never even seen these files, right,
So he goes into office and then the information is
presented to him. Sir, what's in these files is that

(01:03:20):
Jeffrey Epstein was a CIA asset and that his child
sex trafficking network was in fact monitored by CIA handlers,
who then helped eliminate him when he became too much
of a pain in the neck to deal with.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Now, you're just speculating, speculating.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
I'm saying that that happened.

Speaker 7 (01:03:45):
What I am saying is that I would sure like
to know if that was the truth, wouldn't you sure?
I mean, I mean, does that explain the situation?

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
It certainly does.

Speaker 7 (01:03:55):
But or worse yet, Hey, mister President, it turns out
Jeffrey Epstein was in fact controlled by Masad. I mean,
I'm not saying he was any of those things. Please
don't misunderstand me. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm just
saying when people don't know the answers, they make them up,
don't they, And so especially when the answers are reasonable.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Yeah, well, in the absence of information, all theories can
be true. As a wise man once said Peter Schen,
associate director of Epstein Justice dot Com. I think, Peter,
you and I are going to watch this thing unfold.
It will be interesting to see what information actually gets
out to us. But my guess is, regardless of that,
Epstein Justice will be on top of it again. Epstein

(01:04:36):
Justice dot Com. This is retired the tenant Colonel Peatschen.
Peter was someone who served this country for a very
long time in uniform and won the Bronze Star or
was awarded I'm sorry the Bronze Star. Peter it's always
great catching up to you. Good stuff. Hopefully we can
visit down the road. Until then, stay.

Speaker 7 (01:04:52):
Well, Thank you, Ken, I appreciate it and always great
to fit it with you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
No, no worries. Don't you find it odd that the
minute the government shutdown ended, which was orchestrated by the Democrats,
we now have the Epstein things. So now Trump kind
of played this, He said, all right, you want the files.
There they are. I don't care who's in them. There
they are. My guess is in those files are a
lot of high profile people, and I think you have

(01:05:20):
to follow the money. There have been some very very
interesting financial transaction between Jeffrey Epstein and some of the
major banks that may be exposed inside of those Epstein files.
Keep your antenna up and always understand the answer to
all of our questions in life is money. To twenty

(01:05:42):
six News Radio seven hundred wl W SO waken twenty
eight to three over Rutgers, Julian saying is back in
the game, but their top two wide receivers aren't playing
in this game. Well, you know, there was this least
bit of doubt about their top two players, and given
what's coming up next, I think you defer on the

(01:06:04):
side of caution. There Number three, Texas A and M
is comfortably ahead playing at home today. I like A
and M. I just think they're a really good football team.
They're playing Sanford today. That is sam frd the one
win Samford Bulldogs right now, early fourth quarter, Texas A

(01:06:27):
and M forty one and Samford zero. And then of
course a lot of other games are occurring in and
around the country today. The one we're keeping our eye
on obviously, as you see in BYU, and that's tonight,
Nipid night. And right here on seven hundred at WYLW
tomorrow it's the Bengals against the Patriots. No Joe Burrow,

(01:06:50):
he was not activated. He has of course been at
least on the field practicing, but there was some thought
that he might play. He is not. We'll see about
Thursday night in Baltimore. And de John Anthony, the safety
who has been out, not playing tomorrow. And of course
Jamar Chase is not playing tomorrow, sitting out the one

(01:07:12):
game suspension for spitting on a player last week. I
don't want to hear about who it was Jalen Ramsey,
what Ramsey might have done, didn't do, and all that
you never spent on another human being under any circumstance.
So anyway, he is out for tomorrow as well, and

(01:07:32):
they will face one of the hottest quarterbacks in the country.
That would be Drake May, who has experienced the resurgent
under Mike Rabel, the head coach up there and his
new coaching staff. Dax Hill, Bengal cornerback, talking about.

Speaker 12 (01:07:48):
That this week, I really just have to contain him
second year, and I felt like just putting pressure on
him early and I'm just making a horror for him.
I feel like, well Fluster's game a little bit, so
just putting pressure on him and really just playing our game.
The last couple of weeks, we've kind of just made
absent flow and so we just kind of just focus
on ourselves and just once we do that, I feel

(01:08:11):
like everything else will come together.

Speaker 7 (01:08:12):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Let's hope it would be refreshing to see a win anywhere,
certainly at Pey Corpse Stadium. Someone who is coming to
the game is someone who is so charged with covering
the New England Patriots. He's been on the beat up
there for several years and he works for the Athletic
Dot Com and I say this every time I have
a guest on from the Athletic. It is the best
investment you can make if you want to see sports

(01:08:36):
covered with good journalism, No roll up ads, no cheap videos,
just good solid writing. And my next guest is part
of that reason. He is, I said, has been covering
the Patriots for a while now, and it's great to
welcome Chad Graft to the show. And Chad, how are
you in this glorious Saturday. I'm doing well, what an intro?

(01:08:57):
Thank you for having me. Well, you know, we kind
of like the Athletic. It has its roots here in Cincinnati,
and quite frankly, now, all you guys are big city,
big time, big deal with the New York Times and everything,
so we should be nice to you. I suppose it
should be.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
Nice to you guys.

Speaker 13 (01:09:13):
Well, thank you. It's been fun and kind of weird
to be frank This season, I moved to New England
to start doing the Patriots. I grew up in New
England and I've only done the Patriots for four years,
and so this is my first piece of like a
good football team.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Let's start there. Obviously, there are a lot of reasons
why a team plays well when it does not play
very well the year before. But the biggest thing I
look at is Mike Rabel. Coaches talk about culture. They
talk about wanting to bring a new culture to the
locker room, and a lot of that is just as
you well know, is just coach speak. But has he

(01:09:49):
done that? Is that the biggest difference from this team
last year to this year? Yeah, it's truly crazy.

Speaker 13 (01:09:55):
And to be honest, I kind of dismissed a lot
of it as coach speak when he was talking about
it in his introductory at press conference and along the way,
just because I think that you did always knew what
you were going to get from Mike Rabel, just from
his time in Tennessee, from his demeanor, from the way
he acts, from the toughness, from all of that being.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
An Ohio guy.

Speaker 13 (01:10:15):
And yet, you know, I just didn't think a turnaround
would be able to be pulled off this click Like
this is a team that won four games last year, They.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
Won four games the year before.

Speaker 12 (01:10:26):
They should have had the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Number one pick. Last year. We all talked about them as.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
A four win team.

Speaker 13 (01:10:29):
Last year they were a three win team, and then
Buffalo was They played Buffalo in the last week. All
they to do was losing at the number take in
Buffalo was like, whoa, whoa, We're gonna have the number
one pick in division. Forget about that. So this was
a terrible football team. And granted there are still questions.
They've played, by far the league's easiest schedule, so it's
not like, you know, a.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
Nine to two team that's just blowing the doors.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Off of everybody.

Speaker 13 (01:10:53):
And yet they have the best record in the NFL,
which is crazy to think considering what the Patriots were
the last couple of years.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Emblematic of all of that as Drake May who came
out of college. He was a terrific college player, but
he looked like he didn't. He was like that crazed
dog last year. He didn't know whether to sick them
or come here. I mean, it was just like he
was completely lost. Now he's found what is able to
quarterback whisper with this guy? Or is there something else

(01:11:20):
going on with him?

Speaker 13 (01:11:22):
Well, it's amazing because he had enough moments last year
he thought Okay, there might be something in there. But
here was my concern coming into this season for him
was I didn't think the offensive line was going to
be very good. I didn't think his wide receivers were
very good, and it turns out the wide receivers have
been great with Stefan Diggs. The offensive line has been
much much better than I expected. And then here's the

(01:11:43):
other wrinkle to all of this. They brought back Josh
McDaniels as offensive coordinator. And frankly, when they did that,
I kind of thought, like, oh man, they're really just
bring him back the retreads and playing all the hits
from what worked in the Brady days. And like, we've
seen Josh McDaniels in Denver, and we've seen Josh McDaniels
in Vegas. This is the guy that they're going to
bring in for Drake May. And I couldn't have been

(01:12:04):
more wrongly. He's been awesome as offensive coordinator. Once again,
I think it just shows like some coaches probably should
just remain offensive coordinators. He is an awesome, awesome, like
as elite as it gets offensive coordinator. So even if
the head coach Stintce haven't worked, I think what Josh
McDaniels is doing with Drake May is really really special.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Well, who's doing it with Stefan Diggs? Because there's a
resurrection in and of itself. This guy was damaged goods
all of a sudden, now he's blossoming. I think he's
got three touchdown receptions or about seven hundred receiving yards
so far this season. What's going on with him? And
why is there that chemistry with Drake May?

Speaker 13 (01:12:44):
Totally And it's crazy because he's coming off with an
apl tear that he suffered ten to eleven months ago,
so it's not even like he's, you know, totally repaired.
He didn't get a full training camp, They kind of
limited his snaps early in the season, and yet in
spite of all of that, he's having the season that
he's happy. And it comes back to I think he's
just such a smart football player, like he was one

(01:13:06):
of in his prime. He's probably the best route runner
in the NFL, along with DeVante Adams during that kind
of twenty eighteen nineteen run.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
And that has lasted.

Speaker 13 (01:13:17):
Like even if he may not have quite the same explosiveness,
or even if he might not have quite as much
speed as he once did, he's still very, very savvy
as a route runner. And it's given Drake May somebody
who's reliable, who's always going to be in the right spot.
Like last year, Drake Man had wide receivers who didn't
know how to line up or where to go and
so as nothing else. Stefan Diggs has brought some professionalism

(01:13:40):
there of Hey, if you tell me to run an
eight yard slant like I am going to do that,
I will be exactly where you need me to be.
And for a quarterback like Drake who likes to kind
of move around the pocket and buy time, it's helpful
for him to know exactly where everyone is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
I mean, it really is. It's stunning. We all know
Traveon Henderson from this area of the country, and it
would seem to me that the Patriots, if they're going
to be successful in this game, are going to have
to attack the perimeter with their run game. Teams that
have attacked the Bengals with their run game have been plentiful,
but those that succeed the most are the ones that

(01:14:17):
can get the ball on the perimeter outside. Tell me
about Henderson, who I remember more as a tackle to
tackle guy at Ohio State, and then Ramandre Stevenson. Do
they do a lot of that? Is there a lot
of perimeter or attack with their running game with their
running game.

Speaker 13 (01:14:32):
So I think it's an interesting matchup for this because
I think the Patriots are probably licking their tops right now.
Their running game has not been great lately. It's been
boom or bust all season. They've really struggled, and they've
used Ramandre Stevenson as more of, you know, the first
and second down guy between the tackles, gonna get you
four yards, but probably not a whole lot else, just

(01:14:53):
the consistent, steady guy, and then trade down Henderson for that. Hey,
let's bounce it outside here, let's take advantage of this speed.
Is a very fast runner, and he's been the home
run threat. Stevenson has missed the last couple of games.
He's been limited and practices, so we'll see what his
status is. But Trebon Henderson, I think is finally starting
to come into his own. It took a little bit

(01:15:13):
longer than I think the Patriots anticipated. There were some
pass blocking issues, which was a bit of a surprise
since he was very good at that at Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
But he has just been so so explosive.

Speaker 13 (01:15:25):
He's so so good on those runs to the perimeter,
and so you know, we talked about Josh McDaniels in
the job that he's done an offensive coordinator. I think
he's probably watched some of those Bengals games and though, boys,
this is going to be a big Travon Henderson to
the outside game. And remember Josh mccamis was the offensive
coordinator for those years that were so frustrating for fantasy
football earners with the Patriots when they would just use

(01:15:47):
different running backs dependent on the opponent. I think you
could see that where this will be a big Travon
Henderson game on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Let's flip it to the other side of the ball.
Let's talk defensively. They run a base three four. The
other thing about New England I think that is interesting
is Milton Williams, who looks like he's well, he won't
be at the game. He's out, he's on ir Despite
that that, they seem to have depth on the inside
of their defensive line. I'm not discounting the loss of Williams.

(01:16:16):
He's a great player, but they do seem rather stout
on the inside, which allows those edge guys to get
out and get after it. Explain to me what's going
on a little bit on that side of the ball.

Speaker 13 (01:16:27):
Well, what's surprising to me is their plan has kind
of worked perfectly better than I ever imagined, which has
been they're going to put some real big bodies up
front and in the middle and do everything to stop
the run, to try to get you if you're running
it on first down or second and long or whatever,
to get you in the more obvious passing situation. And
then they want to play a bunch of man defense

(01:16:49):
on the back end because they really like their two
outside cornerbacks Christian zal Is, a former first round pick
who I think is probably a top ten corner at
this point, and then Carlton Davis on the other side.
So they want to get you into obvious passing situations
by stopping your running game. Now, I don't know if
that necessarily matches up great against the Bengals. Might just say,
you want us to pass it forty five times, like, sure,

(01:17:12):
we could do that, So we'll see how that matches up.
But what has worked for the Patriots defense is stopping
the run, and then they're getting teams into third.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
And long, and that's just a tough way to live. Gonzalez.
It would stand a reason in football sense that with
Jamar Chase out that he would man up on Tee Higgins.
But Gonzalez, from what I've seen, you've seen everything. But
from what I've watched, he doesn't seem to travel as much.
He doesn't seem to be blocked up on the other
guy's number one am I am I right about that

(01:17:41):
or wrong?

Speaker 13 (01:17:43):
Well, it's interesting. Under Belichick and Gerrod Mayo, he traveled everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Here's your guy, go cover your guy.

Speaker 13 (01:17:49):
I think Drabel would like to get to that point,
but because of injuries and some other things, haven't quite
gotten there. But because of the way the Bengals are constructed,
because of the way that the Patriots as started to
get healthier, it wouldn't surprise me if he does travel
with te Higgins and Brabel just says, like Rabel's the
introductory press comment, he said, I want to play cat defense, Like, hey, quarterbacks,

(01:18:10):
you got that cat, You got that cat, go play defense.
And so it wouldn't surprise me if he says, hey,
chrisian Gogald, you see that guy number five, Like everywhere
he goes, you follow him.

Speaker 6 (01:18:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Yeah, Well, actually, nothing has surprised me more than the
fact that the Bengals offensively have put up a lot
of offense in the wake of Joe Burrow's injury and
still have not managed to win football games. But let's
talk about Burrow for a second. Are they preparing for
either Burrow or Flacco this week or is Rabel's attitude

(01:18:43):
it really doesn't matter kind of both.

Speaker 13 (01:18:45):
They said that they're preparing for both, but they're also
saying that their game plan and preparation isn't going to
change a whole lot. And you know, the Jamar chasing,
I think is the real big one in terms of
when you have two awesome wide receivers like Bengals do,
it makes it hard to just say, hey, Christian Zalas,
you know, go take this one guy, and then you
get burned by the other guy. And so I think

(01:19:07):
that is a tough like that suspension is big for
this matchup where the Patriots have one corner that they
really like and can you know, have them travel, I
think that's going to be a big difference. And I
think that's going to be a fascinating matchup of Key
Higgins versus Christian Dales and how that goes, because as
far as the passing game goes, the Patriots have said
we're going to prep a little bit for flag Out,

(01:19:29):
a little bit for Burrow, But at the same time,
we don't think it makes a dramatic, dramatic difference.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
You know, you mentioned this early in the interview, and
I agree with you. I think people will look at
a schedule, We'll say, well, they're playing a last place schedule,
or look at how easy it is. Well, look, you
that team has got some big wins this year. The
Buccaneers were pretty damn good when they beat the Buccaneers
in Tampa a couple of weeks ago. I think they're
the Bills. You go to Buffalo and you beat the

(01:19:56):
Bills by three and the other one. I think that
stands out. Although it wasn't against a premier team, that
team put thirty two up on a Cleveland Brown's defense.
So I think this thing about the soft schedule or
last place, whatever you want to call it, I think
oftentimes it's kind of overblown. I'm not so sure things

(01:20:20):
translate as they were one year to the next, and
the Patriots are an excellent example of that. It just
because something happened the year before does not necessarily mean
that's going to happen the next year. I really don't
put a lot into the soft schedule.

Speaker 7 (01:20:34):
Do you.

Speaker 13 (01:20:35):
Yeah, At the thought schedule, I think would matter more
to me if they were barely beating the Jets and
the Dolphins and the Browns and these teams that they've played.
But they have one of the best point differentials in
the NFL because they're beating up on these bad teams
the way that you would think a good team should.
And so, you know, if they were beating the Browns
thirteen to ten, I would probably be a little bit worried.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
They had the Jets on.

Speaker 13 (01:20:57):
Thursday night football rest game, and if they only won
that game by three points or something, maybe he'd be
a little bit worried.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
But it was a double digit win.

Speaker 13 (01:21:06):
For them, and they're racking up the double digit wins,
and so I'm not quite as worried, even though I
think it is fair to note that they have had
a bunch of cupcakes on their schedule, that they are
taking care of business against the bad teams the way
that a good team should and would all.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Right, Chad handicap this, Now, how does it play out?
What will come four o'clock on Sunday afternoon? How does
this thing look?

Speaker 13 (01:21:30):
Yeah, Well, I'm super fascinated by this. I'm very curious
what's going to happen because this Bengals defense is exactly
what the Patriots would love to.

Speaker 4 (01:21:39):
Play right now.

Speaker 13 (01:21:40):
And so I think that the Patriots actually don't try
to air it out, even though they have Drake May
and even though he's having an MVP season. I think
they'll pick their spots when to take eapshots. But I
think they're going to want to control the clock in
this one. I think they're going to bounce Travon Henderson
to the outside quite a bit. And I've got the
Patriots winning by more than a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Well, they wouldn't be the first. Again, yet another reason
why you need to subscribe to the Athletic dot com,
good in depth stuff from Chad Graft. He covers the
Patriots on a daily basis. All right, Chad, thanks for
your time. We appreciate it, and hopefully we get a
chance to talk down the road aving me. I don't
know if it'll be this year, but hopefully down the road.

(01:22:23):
No Joe Burrow tomorrow, no c J no, no Jamar Chase.
It's going to be very difficult. It just is. This
team is red hot. Maybe the averages say they're due
for a win for a loss, but after that streak
that they've put together, it's going to be very difficult.

(01:22:46):
But nevertheless, that's why you play the game, and that's
why you try, and let's not forget that. Up until
the last time out against Pittsburgh, Joe Flacco was putting
up on goodly numbers on offense. They were just absolutely
un believable. Of course, he needed to do that because
the defense was giving up ungodly numbers to the other team. Nevertheless, no,

(01:23:08):
Joe one point zero, Joe two point zero. Here we go.
It is two fifty four News Radio seven hundred wl W.

Speaker 6 (01:23:16):
Is it true?

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Tom Brand