Ken Broo Saturday -- 11/8/25

Ken Broo talks with former Ohio Congressman Jim Renacci about the ongoing government shutdown, Mike Hatten talks about domestic flights and problems arising in air traffic control plus the UPS flight that crashed in Louisville, the Reds HOF ballot with Reds HOF Executive Director Rick Walls, the upcoming investigation on John Brennan with Adam Hardage plus Greg Harris of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame talks about tonight's induction ceremony.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I've actually heard of that man, Yes, I did. He
lives in Cincinnati, I believe.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Welcome on in.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's the Saturday afternoon experience. Great to have you with
us as we try to make sense of what has
gone on, not just in the greater Cincinnati area but
all over the place. And the shutdown now is starting
to affect a lot of us. You know, initially you think, well,
it's government workers. They're not going to get paid for
a couple of days. They'll get back pay. Everybody will
be fine in about not ten days, two weeks. But

(00:28):
we now know it is not that. And if you're
traveling now, starting really today, but going into the holiday season,
which you know holiday traffic probably is what two weeks away,
you could very well be affected by what this shutdown
is all about. Numerous attempts on the floor of the
Senate to try and get this thing past the clean

(00:51):
continuing resolution that was passed by the House back in
September to no avail.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Multiple votes that were.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Commissioned by John Thoom have gone nowhere, and now it
appears that both sides are fairly well dug in. Every
so often we hear the ice is thawing, but is
it really and at what point does the heat get
turned up? And on what side of the aisle? Standing
by the way in as somebody that knows the intricacies
of Washington politics, he knows how the sausage is made.

(01:20):
He was there making it for a long time. But
now he's come back to the clean world, back to America,
and he's trying to make Ohio great again. He's our
good friend. Former Congressman Jim or Ac. How are you
on this glorious Saturday?

Speaker 3 (01:35):
I am doing great, Ken, How are you?

Speaker 1 (01:37):
I'm doing well. It's a beautiful day. Of course in
Ohio there are very few days that are not beautiful.
But you know, we're still talking about this shutdown, and
it would appear that it's going nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
These votes.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Why is it that that John Thune keeps stepping up
to the to the punch bowl, and the punch bowl
keeps getting snatched away from him. What's going on? He
takes votes, I think when he knows there aren't enough
votes to get the thing pushed through.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Why are we constantly getting this?

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Well, Look, as I've said this time and time again,
you have two parties. They've all dug in the Democrats
have dug in, they're not going to support a clean
r The Republicans have dug in, they're not going to
support anything but a clean cr And the only people
who are losing are the American people. I said, just

(02:27):
want to shut down started. I'm telling you again, almost
forty days later, that this is a real issue, and
hopefully we don't have a tragedy in an airport or
in a runway or in the sky because of this,
because in the end, the American people are not looking
kindly on Congress at all. Right now, President Trump knows it.

(02:49):
He's kind of sat back. This is a Congress issue,
and you're right, we keep getting them doing the exact
same thing, hoping that their side continues to hold their position.
Now when I say hold the position, can, I'm talking
about their voters. And that's the problem. As this wears on,

(03:10):
you know, Republican voters are going to support Republicans. Democrat
voters are going to support Democrats. The independence is where
people have to be worried, and they're getting more and
more and more frustrated. Some Republicans are getting frustrated. Even
some Democrats are going to get frustrated and it's all
about vote count at some point in time down the road,
and I think we're they're playing games with the American people,

(03:32):
and we really need to get this settled sooner than later.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
President Trump has suggested to John Thune, the Senate majority leader,
that they simply do away with closure. They completely do
away with needing sixty votes to get anything passed. To
go back to the majority. We just want to have
a majority. Maybe Republicans by and large have a majority.
You never know which way the wind blows with Lisa

(03:57):
Murkowski and Mitch McConnell, but by and large, the Republicans
have a majority in the Senate. The nuclear option is
what it's called, and.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
I'm not sure I know where to fall on that.
Help me with this, Jim.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
I mean, I can understand why nobody really wants that,
because it could just turn things upside down every four
years or when one party is in power. But on
the other hand, can we be completely certain that if
the Democrats get the majority in the House and the
Senate and control the White House, can we be completely
certain that they won't pull the nuclear option and get

(04:35):
beaten at the game ourselves. We're waiting too long I'm
just wondering, wor should smart thinking, not radical, ideologically driven
Americans think about the nuclear option and whether or not
it should be imposed in the Senate.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, I think the nuclear option would The nuclear option
would just be that can. It would be a nuclear
disaster because what would happen is every four years you
would have back and forth. And the reason why there's
a sixty vote threshold in the Senate is because the
House is supposed to be majority rolls, which it does

(05:12):
fifty one percent. The Senate is supposed to be a
body that comes together and deliberates and just doesn't move
things and enforces a little bit of deliberation.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Not a lot.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
I mean, it only takes some deliberation to get the
sixty votes. And that's the reason why it's there. The
problem is, you know I hear this all the time. Well,
you know you'll hear the Republican senators say, well, we
can't pass even though we're in the majority, we can't
pass it because we need sixty votes. Well, the answer
is yes, you can get in a room, come up

(05:47):
with a compromise that's reasonable that everybody can live with.
It can get you seven more votes, and you can
get it done. It's too easy to say, just get
rid of this filibuster and let's let's take it to
fifty one. It will be a disaster going forward, and
I think anybody who served in the Senate would agree

(06:07):
with me that is something that we should never do
because it will cause massive changes every two to four years,
which is not what we need in this country.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Well, the philipbuster, I think the thing a lot of
people have problems with is the silent filibuster, which you
just alluded to. When you have somebody say, Senator say well,
we'll never get sixty votes. I'm not sure this is
a good idea either, because I don't know if everybody
could stay on their feet or in their seat. But
there was a time when the filibuster was actually that,

(06:39):
and that decide that wanted to prevent some sort of
legislation would take over the Senate floor and argue about
it until they all dropped, and then there would be
a vote on it. I think it's the silent filibuster
that just I think maybe is kind of a chicken
way out to all of this thing. There's got to
be something better than justice senator saying well, we never
get sixty votes on this, Well, how do you know

(07:00):
if you don't try.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Well again, I think that's the problem, and that's the frustration. Look,
I'm a Republican. I am a die hard Republican, but
I also believe Republicans should be in Washington. I believe
the House should be in Washington. I should believe. I've
been in multiple negotiations my entire life in business. When
you walk away from the table, it's your fault. I mean,

(07:23):
if you're going to get something done in business, you've
got to stay at the table. And if you decide
to walk away, well then it's your fault. Whether you
like not being at the table or not, you've got
to be there. And for the House to be gone
all this time and not trying to come up with
a solution. I applaud the Senate for being there. I
don't applaud John Soon for even though I appreciate what

(07:45):
he's trying to do, and I'm a big supporter, is
putting up the same vote time and time again is
not going to get the answer. Putting up a vote
that allows some people to say, yes, I can move forward,
and that's all he needs is seven. He needs seven
or eight Democrats to come his way. I think that's

(08:07):
the action that they should be taken.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
There's two things that unified Democrats. One is an absolute
blind hatred of Donald Trump and the other is an
absolute blind hatred of Donald Trump. And I'm wondering, at
what point does Trump insert himself into this, because obviously,
you know there's research that out there. This is parties
at fall the Americans blame that party or whatever it is.

(08:30):
You and I both know that there's real research that
goes on that the public never sees. And I'm led
to believe, at least for now, just because I've seen
kind of just rhetoric from him and nothing else, that
Trump doesn't believe that any of this is falling back
on him. I may be wrong, but he certainly is
taking on the behavior of somebody like that. But eventually

(08:53):
he has to get involved in this or everything is
just going to really fold back on him. He is
the president. Event this will all come back on him.
I don't think it's there yet, But at what point
does he get involved when that research says okay, now
it's time, or is there something else that might motivate
him to say? As you said, let's get everybody in
a room and figure this thing out.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Okay, And I think you hit the nail on ahead.
The research right now is not him. It's blaming Republicans
a little bit more than Democrats. And I know some
people don't want to believe that, but I see poll
after poll after poll, and Republicans are leading the problem
in the in the country they believe. I mean, the
polling shows that that this is their problem more than

(09:38):
the Democrats. And by the way, if the Democrats sought
was their problem, they probably would be in voting, they
would be accepting. Because everybody's looking at these research numbers
and President Trump is doing the same thing. He's saying, hey,
not my problem yet. The real issue is going to come.
If we have a tragedy because of it, if we have,

(09:58):
you know, a problem with our airline industry, a crash
or something that's all involved because of what's going on,
then you're going to see President Trump say wait a minute,
and he'll get involved. And by the way, he'll get
it settled because he'll force Republicans to accept. You know,
the last proposal was let's extend the subsidies for one year.

(10:24):
That's what the Democrats are proposing. Quite frankly, there's probably
some Republicans will be mad for me to me saying
this on the radio, but I probably would have accept
that today to make sure our military got paid, to
make sure our air traffic controllers got paid, and to
make sure our country is moving forward. The damage that's

(10:46):
occurring right now because of the slowdown in the air
traffic system and planes is a damage to our economy.
We need to do something. I don't believe these subsidies
should be supported forever. I go back to the table
and say, well, let's do it for six months and
let's get this done. Somebody's got to do something to
move this forward.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Well, sure, these subsidies weren't meant to last forever, or
if they were, we wouldn't be arguing over them right now.
The Democrats put a sunset on this, and that's why
it's coming up right now. But I agree with you
one hundred percent. The problem with the Republicans, Jim, and
correct me if I'm wrong, is they never came up
with anything that looks like it's an alternative to Obamacare.

(11:29):
They hate Obamacare. They'll tell you all day and long.
They hate Obamacare. But what else do you have, What
do you have that is similar to that that might
be better economically for the American public, And they all
come up short. They talk about ideas and meetings and
things like that, but you never actually see anything on paper. Well,
so I think there's culpability there on the Republicans.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Don't you.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Well, absolutely, and we tried to push something through when
I was in Congress, or of course McCain voted it down.
But let's face it, not if you don't have a
plan for the individual who walks into the hospital. And
that really comes down to my son is a physician
in New York City. I can tell you people walk in,
we're walking in with no insurance. They still walk in

(12:14):
with no insurance. The hospitals have to take care on.
That cost is borne by all of us in the
healthcare system. The Obamacare tried to fix that. It didn't
because there are still people that come in without Obamacare.
But I think in the end, republic you're exactly right.
Republicans have to sit down. It's not an easy answer,

(12:35):
and there probably is something that has to be done
to subsidize because I mean, I hate to say that
word or even use that word. But without a system
in place, you have a lot of people walk into
the emergency rooms get care, the hospital covers it, and
then they turn around and charge that out as an

(12:56):
expense to all of us and we all pay for it.
Have to come up with an answer to how we
take care of those that need care that don't have
health insurance. And I know the answer that I always get, well, Reneci,
why don't they go to work? You know what? I agree,
But there are some people that can't work, and that's
the problem. So let's figure out a solution. For those

(13:20):
that can work, they have to work, and for those
that can't, you've got to have a solution for them
as well.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Jim or Nacy, former Congressman, our guests, we're talking about
just the ongoing hilarity in Washington, d C. I want
to touch briefly on the elections. You mentioned that you
have a son who's a physician in New York City,
and of course there's a lot of consternation in the
country about the election of the mayor. Their mom Donnie
over Andrew Cuomo and a guy that runs for a

(13:46):
mayor even in years they don't have a mayoral election
Curtis leiwa, but I was looking at the numbers here, Jim.
The total number of votes that were cast in that
election were two million, just a little over two million votes.
When you add them all up. Million of New York
City's population is a voting age seven million. And if
I do the math, two million votes and seven million

(14:08):
people could cast a vote, that's about twenty eight and
a half percent of the actual voting public in New
York City that voted. Nobody voted in this election. And
everybody's running around now on the cable channels and whatnot
talking about WHOA watch out, Socialism's coming, This could be
the new wave, and it's like, now, this is to me.

(14:29):
I look at this the way I look at the
Virginia race and the New Jersey race. This was a
conglomeration of bad candidates on both sides, Republican and Democrat.
There was absolutely no enthusiasm for that manoral race and
how it was played out except in the national media.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Am I wrong?

Speaker 3 (14:47):
No, Ken, You're exactly right. And by the way it
happened across the country too. I mean in Ohio, I
think we had less than twenty percent turnout in Wadsworth, Ohio,
my city. We had less than fifteen percent and they
made the decision. So it came down to who gets
the vote out and in Donald Trump. This is the

(15:09):
perfect way, and it was explained by Megan Kelly. In
the years that Donald Trump is on the ballot, people
come out to vote for Donald Trump, for independents, Republicans, Democrats.
In the off years, the problem is there's no enthusiasm
and only the people who really don't like Donald Trump
in many cases come out to vote. And I think

(15:30):
we had a Democrat push across our country, not just
in New York. You've got to look at some of
these small towns. I mean, there are towns in Ohio
that lost three, four or five Republicans on their city
council and people are like, what happened, Well, what happened
is when you only have fifteen to twenty percent of

(15:51):
the people voting, it's the angry people that are voting
and everybody else is sitting back. And that's what happened
in New York. Are polling shows in New York people
wanted a change, they were angry, and they went with
somebody who was different. And that's the real problem. That's
rooted in our entire country. We don't get enough people voting,

(16:13):
and we also don't have enough good qualified candidates. But Ken,
why would you run for office when the minute you
step in the game, you get called a criminal, a crook,
you know everything in the book, which happened to me
when I first ran. Now you know, a tax cheek
because when you become a when you get in the

(16:34):
world of politics, people can lie and it's it's damaging
to your reputation.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, I mean, you're right, one hundred percent. Everybody goes negative.
Nobody says what they stand for, what they're going to do.
I mean, even look at the victory speeches from New
Jersey and Virginia and the New York City may oral race,
it was never about anything they're going to do. It's
how they're going to fight Trump and how Trump is
evil and incorrect. This unifying factor that the Democrats have

(17:03):
and their hatred of Trump is a great motivating factor
for people that feel that way to get out and vote.
But these are allowsy candidates. I mean Jack Chitdarelli in
New Jersey was twice. I mean they rejected that dude twice,
and he came back for a third time. The candidate
in Virginia seemed like a terrific person. She served our

(17:24):
country in uniform. But she couldn't She couldn't tie anything
about that attorney general that wanted to shoot his political
opponent and kill his kids. She couldn't tie any of
that to the woman that was actually running, Spanburger running
for governor. It just it was just it's just it's
just bad candidates. And I think you're right. I think
the good people in this country that could make a difference,

(17:47):
I don't know. They don't want to get involved. It's
just it's not worth it from a personal standpoint. But
I don't think that that mayoral race in New York
is an indication of anything at this point other than
New York City maybe in for a rough ride here
from the next four years. I just don't think it's
I don't think we're bracing in Cincinnati, Noor in Columbus State,
and Toledo, we're up in the northeast part of the

(18:08):
state where you live. I don't think anybody's bracing for
socialism just yet, do you?

Speaker 5 (18:13):
No, not at all?

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Remember the previous mayor, not the current one. The one
before Bazzio Glasio. He was also a socialist. So you know,
we seem to forget that that happens in New York
City and it doesn't happen across the curunty. You know,
I have another son who's an attorney up in Cleveland.
He said to him the other day, and I never
this strikes pretty solid, he said, Dad, I am so tired.

(18:38):
Now he's a conservative Republican. By the way, I am
so tired of the system because what it does, it
just goes back and forth in extremes. Donald Trump says,
you know, Joe Bind's a horrible person, and he gets
everybody to vote for him. Now everybody is like, well,
wait a minute, we've gone way too far the Donald

(18:58):
Trump way. Now we're going to slap fall the way
back in two years. I mean, it just goes back
and forth and back and forth. This was his comments.
And you know, he's got a young family, and I'm
sitting there thinking he's exactly right. That's the way the
political world seems to move going forward. Now we don't
have this solid base of reasonableness anymore. We just swing right, left,

(19:21):
right left, and nothing gets accomplished.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, it's sad. Let's hope it's not that way forever.
But let's hope you can join us. Every time we
call love having you on the show. Jim, you just
speak since I just love having you on, you stay well.
We need to hear your voice.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Okay, I appreciate it. You do the same. We'll talk soon.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yes, sir, there is former Ohio Congressman Jim raight Ac.
I don't think that election in New York City meant
squat to the rest of the country. Socialism is dead.
It washed up on the shores of New York City
disguised as change. We'll see how much that guy can
get done. He's not surrounded by other socialists in the

(20:01):
New York City government. Anybody that thinks free is good
for anything doesn't understand that free eventually runs out because
we always run out of other people's money. It is
twelve twenty seven. It is a Saturday afternoon in the
greatest city in the world, Cincinnati, Ohio, and this is

(20:21):
seven hundred wlw oh I love it a little Yes?
Who doesn't like a little yes? I believe that's Trevor
Raband on keys, the incomparable John Anderson on vocals, although
I don't think we'll hear vocals here, but nevertheless, welcome

(20:44):
back twelve forty one on this Saturday. I am ken Brew.
We got a lot to get to today, and I'm
going to talk about some of these airport issues that
are beginning to crop up because of the government shutdown
and safety issues. I also want to touch a little
bit on what might have happened with that horrific crash

(21:05):
of that UPS cargo plane in Louisville.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
This week.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Mike Hatton, one of our aviation experts, is going to
join me at one oh six to talk about that
and just the safety of flying. When air traffic controllers
are not on the job, I mean, they're not getting
paid and a lot of them are are seeking second
employment because, let's face it, they have a family too.

(21:29):
They have to feed their family, They have bills to pay,
just like you and me. So as this increases, If
this shutdown goes on and flights are cut back by
four percent, six ten percent over the next couple of weeks,
does that really then enhance safety? If you have depleted
forces in those air traffic control towers.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
We will get into that.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Also, the walls are closing in on John Brennan, the
former leader of the CIA and also an arc text
of Crossfire Hurricane, the piece of information that went after
Donald Trump one point zero and twenty sixteen. James Comey
has already been indicted. Brennan has not yet been indicted,

(22:14):
but there is move of foot two indied him in
two separate areas, Washington, d C. And Florida, and we'll
get into that coming up at two o'clock. Also, it's
induction night at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
and the President of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
Greg Harris, is going to join me to talk about
the inductees. It is a wide ranging class that includes

(22:38):
Paul Rogers and Bad Company. Paul and Funch fortunately will
not be there because of health reasons. But we're going
to talk to Greg Harris about the voting process and
some thoughts on those that are going in. And there's
also an induction well it's not an induction class. That's
a list of possible inductees for the Reds Hall of

(23:02):
Fame and Museum, and voting is underway for that. We'll
talk about the candidates. We'll talk about how you can
get involved and how many times you can vote. Yes,
it may not be Chicago style elections, but there's a
chance that you could vote multiple times for your favorite
Cincinnati read on the list here in twenty twenty five.

(23:23):
All of that is straight ahead. You know I mentioned
that it was what did I say it was twelve
forty one? Did I say it was twelve forty one?
But as you and I both know, it's five o'clock somewhere,
it's one for you, one for me. Ooh, that's one
for the ages right there. My goodness, Papa top again,

(23:43):
you sing it Aja, you singapores, buddy.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
I've just got time for one more round.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Sent them up, my friend. Then what happens?

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Then now be gone and you can some other food.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Will sit down now to mean Sterling. He's in at
three o'clock today. No, you see football, they got the
weekend off. Bengals have the weekend off. Sure there's a
joke in there somewhere. College football Indiana seven Penn State.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Nothing.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
This is in the waning moments of quarter number one
out in Happy Valley.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
We'll keep an eye on that score for you.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Ohio State has a one o'clock kickoff today at Purdue.
Ohio State number one in the country at Purdue. Today,
here is coach Ryan Day on Purdue's defense.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
You know what they're doing.

Speaker 6 (24:35):
You know, usually when teams play multiple defenses, you know,
they're not as crisp and detailed in their work.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
I feel like they are. They run of the ball.

Speaker 6 (24:44):
So you know, that's the challenge that's at hand. And
you know, Bear everywhere Bar's gone, he's been a great
defensive coordinator. He and I have had conversations that have
passed about maybe you know, an opportunity here, you know,
going back a few years, and I just got a
lot of respect for him. And they're playing really good
defense and they'll continue to play the defense. Everything they're
doing is very sound and.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
The right thing.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, Barry is Barry Odum, the head coach at Purdue
Ohio State is a prohibitive favorite back. Let me see
what the last line is in that game. Last line
on that game was just It was twenty nine plus
twenty nine for Purdue. Plus twenty nine was the last
line at kickoff plus twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Kentucky plays tonight.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Kentucky is in Lexington after coming off a win last week.
They play Florida after coming off a loss last week.
This is a seven o'clock kick at Kentucky. You don't
have to tell Mark Stoops this it's been a rough year.
You don't have to tell the fans this, Kentucky fans. No,

(25:49):
it's been a rough year. It's just been rough all around.
Here is Stoops earlier this week.

Speaker 7 (25:54):
No, it's fair to say it's been a tough year.
You know, there's been a lot of close call there's
been some not so close. But our players never flinch.
They never submit to any outside noise or pressure.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
I just stay the course.

Speaker 7 (26:12):
I've told you over and over again because it's the truth.
How much I enjoy coaching them, and how much our
coaches enjoy coming.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
To work every day.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
We'll see if they're enjoying it tonight against Florida down
in Lexington. Manchester is at Mount Saint Joe today. This
is a one thirty kickoff Manchester at Mount Saint Joe
and already underway in northern Kentucky. Thomas Moore College is
at home, still looking for its first win of the
season against Ohio Dominican.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
We have college basketball at three o'clock. Not here, not
on this radio station, but involving a local team. Three
o'clock Northern Kentucky goes to Knoxville and takes on Tennessee.
We'll keep you a prized of that, I'm sure as
the afternoon goes on. College basketball. Last night you see
beat Georgia State seventy four sixty four. They're two to

(27:05):
zero in the season. The Bearcats Baba Miller twenty nine.
I'm sorry, twenty four points, eleven rebounds in thirty minutes.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Now that's getting it done.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Day Day Thomas twelve points, four of ten from three
point range. This was not a clean game for the
University of Cincinnati. They turned the ball over a lot,
and that seemed to get under the skin of Wes
Miller after the game with the media.

Speaker 8 (27:33):
We were very careless with the ball.

Speaker 9 (27:35):
You look down and there's there's sixteen turnovers and fifteen
assistance is okay, but sixteen and multiple guys with multiple turnovers.
I didn't like our pop tonight. I thought we played
with great pop physically on Monday night, I didn't like.
I thought we had better pop in practice two days
ago than we did today. Certainly you're gonna have nights

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you don't shoot it as well. You want, and if
it wouldn't for Dayta, we don't shoot it at all.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Well, poppy as it may, they win it, they go
to two and oh, they got Dayton on Tuesday night.
That that'll be a test. First couple of games Western Carolina,
Georgia State.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
They got some things to work on.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Certainly, Tuesday night against Dayton will be interesting, be very interesting.
Kentucky beat Valpraso last night one O seven fifty nine.
Kentucky is at Louisville on Tuesday night. That'll be a test.
But as for last night, all UK starters were in
double figures off the bench Malachai Moreno. Eighteen points, ten

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rebounds in twenty one minutes and by and large, Mark Pope,
head coach Kentucky, fairly pleased.

Speaker 8 (28:47):
I'm proud of our guys. It's a good ballbell team.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
They're gonna win.

Speaker 8 (28:50):
They're gonna win games this year. Coach Powell does a
nice trap. I've known him for a long time, and
he runs good stuff and he's got great pace and
great bat physical players. I thought our guys came out
with tremendous energy from the get go, and I felt
like they functioned pretty well and we're making progress. We
had a long way to go.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
We got to get way, way better.

Speaker 8 (29:09):
But it was a good night for us and probably
what we did.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, Kentucky again at Louisville coming up on Tuesday night.
There's a huge soccer match tonight here in Cincinnati. It's
Equel Stadium, huge soccer match. If FC Cincinnati doesn't win,
its season is over and it will be Columbus that
moves on.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Now.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
FC Cincinnati in game one of this best of three,
struggled to put the ball in the back of the net.
But one and things look pretty good. Got a goal,
a goal stood up. Then they go up to Columbus
last week and they got blown out. FC Cincinnati just

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looked like a team that hadn't practiced all week. It
looked disorganized now missing some key players. Nick Haglan not
available last week. He is now He'll be on the
field tonight. This is a big game. It's a big
game not only to continue the season with a roster
that has been invested heavily in by game, by team management,

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team ownership. It's also a big game for Pat Noonan.
I mean, you got to be honest here, this guy
has been given a lot for a city, for a
market the size of Cincinnati, that payroll is rather hefty.
He's got to make this thing work. I don't think
he can afford to go into the offseason after tonight.

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Noonan on the game, as he addressed it earlier this week.

Speaker 10 (30:46):
I think everybody knows what's at stake, and like I said,
it's trying to go about it in a confident and
calm way, but with the right intensity and urgency in
the right moment, so you know, it's not frantic. It's controlled,
but with a really good intensity.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, you can't panic. It has to be controlled, and
you need to show up if you're a fan. I mean,
they're kind of banking on it. This is a six
o'clock kickoff at six o'clock tonight. Temperature is allegedly going
to be somewhere around fifty two fifty three degrees. It'll
be clear, there's no precipitation. It looks like it'll be

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a nice autumn night to go and cheer the team on.
And that's what Noonan says, they need more than anything else,
is the fans to show up and get loud, because
his team feeds off it.

Speaker 10 (31:38):
You know, to play the game in a way where
you know it brings life to the stadium, and we
felt that in game one and we're hoping to feel
that again in game three. But they've shown up. They've
shown up every time, and it's our job to reward that.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
We'll see if they get rewarded tonight. This every game
is a game three from now on, right, I mean,
this is a best of three, and then once you
move past this round, it's one and done. Either win
and move on or lose or go home. So this
is this is the situation this team is in right now,
and it will be very interesting to see how it

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comports itself on the field tonight. Should be sold out,
should be twenty five twenty six thousand people, and you
can hear the game on ESPN fifteen thirty and we
will be all over it as well, and we'll have
a reaction tomorrow on Sunday Morning Sports Talk. All right,
straight ahead, the unfriendly skies in the middle of this

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government shutdown, and how safe are they? If you've got
travel plans coming up, listen up. We'll address that here
in just a few minutes as we cruise on this
Saturday afternoon experience on News Radio seven hundred wl W
Is it true, Tom Print, I may have a future
in radio. He certainly has a face for radio. I'll

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tell you that.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Well, come on in.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's the Saturday afternoon experience and so glad you're a
part of it as we cruise on till three o'clock
here today. So the government shut down, a lot of
things going on. Snap benefits on hold, and rightfully so.
I mean, there was this wacko judge in Rhode Island
that said that the Trump administration by last night had
to fully fund SNAP Benefits, which I don't know where

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they thought that Donald Trump could pull that out of it.
Maybe they thought he had it stored up inside his
body and he could just pull out these benefits. Congress
appropriates money, and although there was some funding that the
administration could free up for SNAP benefits, they couldn't just
fund at all. Or where's Congress? Oh, that's right. The
government shut down. So that's one thing that's going on

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as a result of the government shutdown. Another is a
reduction in the number of flights that are available for
you to take. There's about a four percent reduction in
flights targeted at airport where it's included the Greater Cincinnati
Area CVG into one of those forty airports effective and

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that could increase to six percent to ten percent and
even higher than that if the shutdown continues. Already today,
I'm just checking. As of today, there have been over
eight hundred flights canceled within into and out of the
United States, and that number is expected to rise throughout
the day due to the ongoing shutdown. Again, the problem

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is air traffic controllers are not getting paid. I mean,
if you're not getting paid, it's a little tough to
show up and work that job. And some of these
guys and women are taking second jobs just so they
can pay the bills. Will they eventually be paid, yes,
but there are people that they answer to for things
like mortgages and banks. They want payment now, and so

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it's causing the it's causing the Department of Transportation to say, look,
let's just put the brakes on some of these flights
so the traffic controllers that are showing up are not overwhelmed,
and maybe at some point we can get this thing

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back on level ground or to where it was before
the government shut down, and hopefully that's before the Thanksgiving
holiday rush which is coming up here in about a
couple of weeks. Watching this as well as and as
much as anyone else is Mike Catton. Mike Catton is
a former airline pilot and he also flew helicopters. You

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told me one time flew him in and out of
lunk An Airport. He's moved on to other things, as
pilots are wont to do, but he is certainly an
aviation expert, and so the question is is it safe
to fly? Is it something you should think about before
going to the airport and boarding a flight you have
a ticket for if indeed that plane is leaving. So

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let's welcome them on in good guest of this program.
It's been a while, but Mike Catton, how are you
on this glorious day.

Speaker 11 (36:08):
I'm doing great, Ken, thanks for having me, and I
hope you're doing well also.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
I'm doing well. Is it safe to fly? I think
it's safe to fly.

Speaker 11 (36:16):
I think these proactive cancelations were must and that was
actually a very good idea.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
And so what does that do in terms of workload
on the air traffic controller. Let's just say that the
four percent reduction which is in effect now goes to
six percent, which I think is where it goes to
on November the eleven, this coming Tuesday, and ten percent
by the fourteenth. If the shutdown is not if the

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government shutdown is not settled, what does that do to
their workload? Does it help that much if there's fewer
You would think if you have fewer air traffic controllers
with less work, it would be a good thing. But
does it really cut down on what they have to
be a responsible before?

Speaker 11 (37:02):
Well, I think you raise an excellent point. I don't
think it cuts their workload that much because, like you said,
there are fewer air traffic controllers there, there are fewer flights.
So my guess is they are probably operating roughly the
same number of flights, which if they had to increase,
especially in the markets like Newark, New York, Chicago, this

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would be a mess if they hadn't cuffies back.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
For example, if the Greater Cincinnati Airport is fully staffed
with air traffic controllers, that does not necessarily mean that
everything's great, because eventually these planes are handed off to
various air traffic control points along the way. And you
and I have talked before about choke points, particularly when
you fly south into Florida, Jacksonville is a major choke point.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
So one would think if a if a.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Regional airport, well, it's an international airport. I don't mean
to downplay CBG, but if an airport that is serving
just one community, if everything is fine there or is
percolating along right there, it does not necessarily mean that
all of those flights are great and they're going to
be able to take off and everything will be fine.
We've already I think in Cincinnati today, we've had cancelations

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into Chicago and Philadelphia, maybe Washington, d C.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
As well. It's more than just your local airport.

Speaker 11 (38:21):
Correct, correct, And the connections are absolutely what's affected the most.
And you talked about choke points being Jacksonville. Fort Lauderdale
was struggling today, I read, and it's going to be
a major problem. It's going to hurt people as far
as connections to get in and out of the country,

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plus across country.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Take us inside.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
If you could just a particular tower and er let's say,
is CVG the air traffic control tower, what would be
the normal staffing and what are they looking at besides
just the planes that are taking and landing in taking
off and landing at CVG.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
What happens in.

Speaker 11 (39:01):
There, well, the controllers inside the tower, they're the visual controllers.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
They're looking outside.

Speaker 11 (39:09):
They're watching what's going on on the ground, taxing around, landing,
taking off. They're handed off planes from the local approach
controllers who they're looking at the radar in a very
dark room and they're sitting there and they're watching planes
and moving them to arrival gates, putting them on approaches,
instrument approaches, and bringing them in. And they're also handing

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the planes off to the higher altitude controllers called the
center controllers. It's a very carefully choreographed dance, if you will.
And when one of those three suffers with less controllers,
things get pretty stressful.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, and the higher altitudes help help us with that.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Do they tend to get congested?

Speaker 1 (39:52):
For example, I flew this week and we were told
by the pilot that there was severe turbulence at the
higher elevation and we were only going to be at
about twenty three to twenty five thousand feet as he said,
great for sight seeing, but I think I smelled a
fish there, because there has to be something besides turbulence

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that would keep a jetliner that normally would have a
forty thousand foot ceiling at twenty three or twenty five
thousand feet.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Is there some of that going on? Well, there could be.

Speaker 11 (40:26):
I haven't heard anything about anything like that, but I
would be suspect if I was in an airplane that was,
you know, thirty nine to forty one thousand feet capable,
especially on a cross country flight, if you hold me
down to twenty twenty three thousand feet, I may have
to make a fuel stop along the way because I'm
going to burn a lot more fuel at twenty or
twenty three thousand feet than I am.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
At em Yeah, thank god, it was a less than
two hour flight. But I was thinking to myself this,
you know, it's got to be pretty rough if a
giant airliner can't handle turbulence at forty thousand feet and
is it really turbulent from forty thousand feet to twenty
five twenty three thousand feet? But anyway, be that as
it may, there's a lot of I think there's a
lot of things going on that we don't understand as

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just general consumers about what is going on, the intricacies
of what's going on and the burnout factor. I would
have to think for an air traffic controller has to
be very high in optimum conditions. In conditions like there
are right now, you're not getting paid. You know, the
wife's at home, the kids at home, or the husband's

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at home, the kids at home. You know, they've got
bills to pay, and all of a sudden, you're going
to work and you're not going to get paid. What's
going on here? I would think that the stress level
for these people has got to be in an all
time high right now.

Speaker 11 (41:41):
Well, I can't imagine what it would be like to
be going to work in that job or any job
and not be getting paid. It just doesn't It doesn't
make sense to me. There's a saying that's been around
in aviation for a long time, no Bucks, no Buck Rogers.
So I would say that a lot of these guys
are starting to think about staying home, even working other jobs.
You know, they are car payments, that payments, house payments,

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everything in the world.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
You can imagine.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
At what point do you think it gets to that
pinch point we talk about reducing flights by ten percent
in less than a week from now. Unless this is settled.
At that point, you'll have a lot of disgruddle of passengers.
But what's the pinch point for air traffic controllers? And
I know this is speculative, you were never an air
traffic controller, but I would think that the crises couldn't mount.

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You know, you're not getting paid. You do have to
find revenue somewhere. You may not show up for work
and all of a sudden, if you're staffing in a
tower is and I'll throw a number out at any
given day, Let's say the staffing in the tower is
fifty and all of a sudden it's down to thirty
five or thirty.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
That's a major problem. I would think, well it is.

Speaker 11 (42:50):
And like you said, I can't predict the exact choke point,
but I would think if it goes into next week
near the end, that that's going to be less and
less controllers coming to work. They're a human. I do
know some controllers and have none known several over the years.
The break room, they have to be conversations going on,
and if you know somebody has to move these this

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shut down along and if we quit going to work,
then you know they're going to have to do something.
And if there is a mass mass outage of the controllers,
then you know this is going to shut the air
traffic control system down. And Thanksgiving is coming fast?

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah right.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
I think we're less than three weeks out from Thanksgiving,
and you're right, it is.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
It is coming fast.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Were chatted with Mike Hatton, former airline pilot and flu
helicopters out a Lunkin Airport. What were those helicopters you flew? What?
What was that model? A helicopter you flew.

Speaker 11 (43:42):
Blue Bell long Rangers and also the Bell to twenty
two twin engine version of of If you remember the
show Airwalls going way back in the day, that was
a belt to twenty two with retractable gear. The one
I flew had skids on.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
The pilots always told me older pilots, some of whom
are no longer whethers that flying into Lunkan was always
a really pretty flight because you come right down the
Ohio River and you uh and then there and there
it is Lunkan Airport. Did beauty Uh? Did beauty translate
into efficiency? Was it just all sight seeing or I

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guess my question is that if something looks good, does
that mean it is good? Because these pilots thought it
was just wonderful that I talked to about being able
to come right down the Ohio and bang, there you
are at Lunkan.

Speaker 11 (44:31):
Well, in the case of Blunking, yes, it was beautiful.
It was and remains beautiful lines and it's a pretty
flight in and out of there. However, it doesn't always
translate into that. Take Washington National Reagan for example. You
come down the Potomac there that you're so busy and
stressed out trying to avoid prohibited areas that you don't
have time to really look at the beauty.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Oh, there was the major air disaster this week in
Louisville involving the UPS plane. Uh at MD eleven. I
believe it's it was? It was it. It was a
Boeing plane though, right, it was, I say AMD, and
that's the wrong designation. It was a Boeing airplane, was
it not?

Speaker 11 (45:07):
Well, it was McDonald Douglas, which was bought by Boeing.
Oh okay, some people call it a Boeing, some people call.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
It McDonalds Douglas MD okay, okay, MD eleven and I
just saw where that the entire fleet was grounded now
by Boeing, so they can figure out what the heck
went wrong. But I know you're not there. You're not
part of the NTSB, and I think we need to
point that out. But there's video out there, and there's
certainly been enough communication out of there as to what

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might have gone wrong, and it seems to be targeted
on the left engine, and maybe the left engine coming
off the plane. How in God's name could an engine
in this day and age a day and age come
off an airplane.

Speaker 11 (45:50):
Well, that's that's the question that just rarely happens. And
by the way, the NB eleven was the follow on
version to the DC ten. I was an instructor on
the DC ten and I can tell you we did
a lot of training about engine failures at that exact
point where they lost that. As far as how it
came off the airplane, I don't know. I would suspect

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cracks something like that. I just don't know. But that
is a very, very catastrophic time for that to happen.
That is the worst possible time you could have an
engine failure or even have an engine fall off.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Well, and and also it's catastrophic because it was loaded
with jet fuels. They were going to Honolulu, So it
wasn't like it was a short hop down to Saint
Louis or someplace like that. It it was it was
fully loaded. The thing that that I I and correct
me if I'm wrong, that that particular plane had some
issues that I guess were addressed, or at least they

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attempted to address the issues with some situations that occurred
in past flights. But the MD eleven is how old
of an aircraft? If it was the follow up to
the DC ten, how old would that aircraft have been.

Speaker 11 (47:05):
Well, the one that had the accident was involved was
thirty four years old, and.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
They were.

Speaker 11 (47:13):
I suspect about ten years built prior to that, So
they're pretty old. But that doesn't necessarily translate to being
worn out or something like that. These airplanes are constantly rebuilt,
X trade different things like that. I would I would
suspect that the maintenance records are being going through very
meticulously on this aircraft.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Would the I wouldn't even know you would, So I'll
ask from a technical standpoint on that short of a
distance from taxi to when it crashed, we're talking about,
you know, seconds, would would the flight data recorder had
already been activated, the voice recorder, all of those things
where they have been activated at that point.

Speaker 11 (47:58):
Yes, they would have and would have been recording everything,
both voice wise and what's going on in the flight
as far as in the controls. The point they lost
that the fire warning was going off, the bell was
going off in the confit, well, that was likely the
fire warning bell and the fact that went off for

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so long and they didn't silence it, because that's the
first thing you're trained to do is silence that bell,
get rid of that distraction. That tells me that they
were extremely busy fighting that airplane. They didn't you couldn't
know what happened. You have to have wondered, you know,
what happened to this? What is going on? So they
were very busy and very distracted.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah, I mean it was it was barely airborne, right,
I mean it had just literally cleared the end of
the runway and that's that's when all hell broke loose.
But yeah, at that point they had to have known
that something was wrong though, in that in that taxi role,
I mean before they I think, again, I'm not a pilot,
I don't want to pilot terms, but before they got

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to what's known as V two. They had to know
exactly that there was something wrong there.

Speaker 11 (49:06):
Right, Well, I don't necessarily know if they knew it
was wrong. There may have been clues fuel burn on,
the fuel burn gages, the fuel flow rate, the fuel
burn may have increased if they had a leak there
or what, but it might not have been something that
was readily noticed noticeable.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Yeah, and generally with these investigations, I know they want
to be completely thorough. We probably won't know for several
months as to what exactly happened, right.

Speaker 11 (49:38):
That's correct, And the NTSB and the FAA actually already
announced that I saw.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Well, prayers to the people involved there and hopefully they
get an answer on what went wrong quickly. But with
regards to the shutdown, I hope it ends soon. There's
nothing worse than having to sit at an airport. There's
nothing worse than a pilot having to sit and wait
and wonder if his or her flight is going to
take off. By the way, do pilots get paid waiting
around or they do? They only make their money when

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the aircraft is in the air.

Speaker 11 (50:09):
You make your money as soon as you release the
parking break to push back from the gate. Oh oh,
that's the trigger that triggers the pay clock.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
So if you guys are sitting around the air air
you know, the the pilot's lounge there maybe at CBG,
and you're just kind of talking about what's wrong with
the Bengals of the Reds.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
You're not getting paid for that, are you?

Speaker 11 (50:28):
No, sir, So there's no incentive to us for for
us you sat around and do that.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Yeah, I was told that once by a flight crew.
It's like, man, you know we can if you're waiting
and you're upset, Well, we're waiting and we're upset too, because,
as you just said, you don't get paid until that
until that aircraft backs away from from the gate. Well, Mike,
good stuff, exactly right. Thanks for joining us and lending
some clarity to all of this. Mike Hatton, how do

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people get ahold of you? I mentioned earlier that your
your your day job is the growth facilitator at Human
Cornerstone Facilitations.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
What is that? Well?

Speaker 11 (51:06):
I mentor people, I do interview preparation, I do team buildings.
Sometimes I go in and help people with their teams
if their teams aren't functioning. Properly, and there's something I've
done for several years now.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Well, good for you. And how do people get a
hold of you, Mike?

Speaker 11 (51:24):
You can email me at Mike Hatton just like my
name m my K E H A T T E
N at m E dot com, Mike Hatton at me
dot com.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
All right, well again, thanks a lot. Stay well, Mike.
We need to hear your voice and we'll be ringing
you up down the road. I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
Thanks, Thank you, Ken, good to be with you.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Yes, sir, there's a guy that knows how it's done,
knows how it's made, and spent a lot of time
in aviation, a lot of time. It is coming up
on one twenty six on this Saturday afternoon news radio
seven hundred w l W one hundred WLW.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Welcome back to the I am Ken brew.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
Up in.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
I guess it would be West Central Indiana at Purdue
West Lafayette. They are now at two minutes and thirty
seconds to go in the first quarter and Purdue with
a three to nothing lead on the Buckeyes. According to
reports I'm looking at here. Carnell Tate did not play
on the opening drive for the Ohio State Buck guys

(52:25):
used that information as you will. Very early on three
nothing Purdue just before halftime, Indiana with a seventeen to
seven lead on Penn State. Penn State's got the ball
first in ten at the Indiana forty two yard.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Line with nine seconds to go. There's the local teams.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Kentucky plays tonight at home against Florida. This week, the
Cincinnati Reds Hall of Fame and Museum announced eight former
Reds players appearing on the twenty twenty six Modern Player
ballot candidates if you will for induction into the Reds
Hall of Fame and Museum. And here's the list. Pitcher

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Homer Bailey, pitcher Francisco Cordero, shortstop Zach Cozart, pitcher Aaron Harang,
pitcher Mike Leak, second baseman Brandon Phillips, third baseman Scott
Roland Edison bulk Is. Only two can make it. I

(53:26):
got my two that list Scott Roland and Brandon Phillips.
No disrespect anyone else, but that's just my opinion. You
can cast you you you can cast a ballot and
that ballot will be totaled up just to see many
how many each player gets, and the top two go

(53:48):
in the Hall of Fame. Balloting can go on until
November the twenty seventh. Here's this though, listen to this.
There is a limit of one ballot per day, so
between now and November, you can vote every single day
for the players you want to see in there. My gosh,

(54:09):
Holy politics, was that way?

Speaker 4 (54:10):
What?

Speaker 2 (54:11):
It's not?

Speaker 1 (54:14):
The Hall of Fame celebration weekend next year at Great
American Ballpark is April the twenty fourth through the twenty
six But here now to discuss these candidates, their merits
and how to get involved in all of this is
the director of the Reds Hall of Fame in museum.
Actually the executive director of the Reds Hall of Fame

(54:35):
and Museum, Rick Walls, is here today to talk about that. Rick,
how are you on this glorious Saturday?

Speaker 11 (54:41):
It is the glorious day.

Speaker 12 (54:42):
Is a great day for the Hall of Fame to
launch the ballots and talk about Red's history.

Speaker 11 (54:48):
It's over.

Speaker 12 (54:49):
The winner here at hot Stove comes in and we
start thinking about next year. The Hall of Fame is
always thinking about the past and really trying to celebrate greatness,
and that's what the Hall of Fame and the balloting
is all about Yeah, the.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Hall of Fame ceremony is early, right, I think it's
the end of April, right, twenty four through the twenty sixth.

Speaker 12 (55:07):
The April four, twenty five, twenty sixth a great Friday,
Saturday Sunday. The celebration will bring back all of the
Hall of Famers O the Reds alumni. They'll be meeting
Greece in the Museum on Field ceremonies, and then the
Star Studied Induction gal they'll be over at the Downtown
Convention Center. So a lot that happened during that period. Yes, early,
So we're going to be going fast with this, getting

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ready for April.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
I interviewed every one of these guys multiple times. And
one of the things I liked about the Reds then
even now too, although I'm not intimately involved on a
day to day basis with them, and there were no
jerks there really weren't. I Mean, some of these players
had their moments, but by and large, there were no
jerks in this group. I think number one when I
look at the list this year, that's the one thing

(55:50):
that jumps out is they were all pretty decent people.

Speaker 12 (55:54):
Yeah, I like to think when I when I'm work
through eighteen years now, so I've got to see all
these guys play in person, and when I started here,
I hadn't seen them all all the time. So now
that you're looking at people that kind of our contemporaries
in the sense of a fan watching the game and
being around them working here, I got to know some
of them through interactions that we'd have. We always saw

(56:14):
in the red set. We'd see him visiting the Hall
of Fame, we'd catch him before a game down the field,
And it's really neat to see them now on the
ballot because you feel like you know the candidate. I
think that's why we want the fans voting, because they
also have a same sort of connection with these candidates.
So the fans vote, the media gets a chance to vote,

(56:34):
and the alumni vote. So those three components make up
the results of the modern player ballot, all waited equally,
and we'll have a winner probably in early December.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah, Scott Roland, Yes, Scott Rowland jumps out. Of course,
he's last couple of years. He went into Cooperstown Baseball
Hall of Fame. But there was a guy that joined
a team that was desperate in need of some sort
of veteran leadership, and that's what he provided. That's what
I remember Rolling as being as a guy that came
in and just showed some of the younger players, particularly

(57:06):
the Jay Bruces of the world, how to play the game.
I mean, it's just done this way. He was a
pro top to bottom. I don't know whether or not
he gets the votes, but he's certainly deserving.

Speaker 12 (57:16):
Of the votes as a true professional, big contributor, pulled
that team together. I mean, you know, there were two
division championships. There've been a long time since they've won one.
And remember what twenty ten was like and how special
the big clinch Day was and then twelve, how great
that team was. And it certainly takes leaders and people
to pull those teams together. And I know he had

(57:37):
a big role in that. And when you consider like
who should be in the Reds Tall team, I think
a lot of people, you know, think of a whole career.
In this case, you're really just looking at their Reds career.
You know, these players have gone to different teams, They've
had records and accolades at other places, but we're looking
at contributions and achievements while wearing a Cincinnati Reds uniform,
So that makes a little bit challenging. But really voting

(58:01):
is really in the eye, you know, the voter, who
they think they should pick, I mean, whether they're a
Hall of Famer or not is really up to each individual,
and you can have many different reasons for why someone
should be honored and recognized with this high honor of
being in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Absolutely, I mean, I look at Brandon Phillips, who probably
was at the forefront of social media, right, I mean
he was I think Twitter burst on the scene in
all of Our Lives for better for worse sometime around
two thousand and eight. Of course, Phillips was here from
six until sixteen, but he embraced it, and I think
he had no problem interacting with fans on social media

(58:35):
and that you know, obviously that's not a criteria for
the Reds Hall of Fame in museum. But defensively, there
wasn't a better player in his generation than Brandon Phillips. Again,
I don't know if he gets the votes, but there's
no one else on that list that is more deserving
for votes than Brandon Phillips.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
I think if it were me, he'd be a.

Speaker 12 (58:55):
No brainer, eleven seasons, stellar defense fan favorite. You mentioned,
I'm kind of a guy that was ahead of his time.
Imagine him playing now boy, now back when he played
you back. It sounds like we're talking a long time ago.
Even that short time ago, there weren't There was a

(59:15):
little bit of frowning against the backflip or the backflips
in the showing off. And he had a little bit
of that swagger with him that people loved, but he
was always good about it, and obviously he backed it
up with his play. And he's not just a great
defensive player. He was a great offensive player for the
team as well.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Yeah, Homer Bailey, a couple of dough hitters.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
This was a guy that was called up very early
in his his baseball career, and there was great hope
when they called up Homer, and Homer was here from
seven to twenty eighteen. And I think a Homer Bailey,
I just think of that. I think of mountain presence. Absolutely.
Francisco Cordero. There might not have been a better closer
in baseball for that three year period that he was

(59:56):
here than Francisco Cordero. And then he got Zach Cozart,
who was here from all eleven to twenty seventeen. Who
got the goat? Did Bato get him a goat? Or
did he get Bado a goat? How did that goat?

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
What happened to that goat?

Speaker 12 (01:00:09):
I think the goat still may be there on Zach's farm,
so that's something we'll have to find out that maybe
the go can.

Speaker 11 (01:00:15):
Make it an appearance. But you're right, there are five.

Speaker 12 (01:00:17):
Pictures on this ballot, in three infielders, and each one
of them it gives a chance to reflect. You know,
sometimes when you're in the moment, you're watching them play,
then you come back at least five years. That's why
there's a five year waiting period of minimum. And when
the Veterans Committee meets, you know they're looking at players
and contributors more than fifteen years ago, so that's even

(01:00:38):
more of a challenge. And you're looking at everyone from
eighteen sixty nine to all but the last fifteen years,
and really gives you a chance to look at players
and compare them to who's in the Hall of Fame already,
other history, historical rankings, and statistical categories where they fit
within those, and you start to see that you know

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what one of these candidates are really solid candidates and
could be deserving of this Hall of Fame recognition. And
that's where the fans come in to play here, and
we really want their vote in opinion on this. And
you know, some may not like some of the candidates,
and that's fine, but you now can vote every day
at Redsmuseum dot org, one ballot per day, and those

(01:01:19):
twenty one days, the period will be over and we'll
combine the fan votes again with the media and some
Reds alumni and we'll have the beginning of the class.
We'll combine that with the Veterans Committee's results as well.
We'll announce it as one single class sometimes probably the
first week of December.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Yeah, I'm I'm just going over the list. I'm not
going to Aaron harang When they had that big rebuild
back in two thousand and three, I think, and a
lot of the star players left, and Harangue was among
the group that came in and everybody's saying, who's this dude.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
And he was just.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Big, and he was burly and he was thick. Gave
him a lot of great years, seven great years. Mike Leake,
who was the opposite of that he very undersized, pitched
very early in his career. I think he came up
the year after he was drafted, and Edison Volcez, who
came in I believe on the Josh Hamilton trade. Hamilton
was here traded and then Bolkez was on the back

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side of that and gave the Reds a lot of
a lot of good years. I think the class is
really remarkable, but as you said, there's only two that
will emerge from that, which is I mean, that's tough.
I mean when you look at this group, that's that's
really tough.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Rick.

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
Yeah, it's tough.

Speaker 12 (01:02:29):
You know, there's only been eight inductees in the Hall
of Fame in the last ten years, so this is
a chance to bring in two new ones from this group.

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
And I think it's going to be a tough pick.

Speaker 12 (01:02:40):
I mean, I have my opinions, and I think everybody
they vote are going to be looking at this in
a different way, and they're going to be looking at
the impact that person.

Speaker 5 (01:02:48):
Has had on the team and remembering them.

Speaker 12 (01:02:52):
Give you a chance to get reflect back on history.
That's a big part of this is just a chance
to relive you probably remember, you know, the twenty and
twelve in LDS and how heartbreaking that was at some points,
but also how exhilarating that wasn't that whole season?

Speaker 11 (01:03:06):
And those were good years.

Speaker 12 (01:03:08):
For Cincinnati Reds baseball and we know now how tough
it is to get to the playoffs and to win
the playoffs to move on, so kind of reflecting back
on that and relishing those days, it was good time
to be a Red fan.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
So we'll get two out of this list.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
And then there's there's a veterans pick, and I guess
there's a committee that that how does the veteran, how
does he emerge or what's the process for that.

Speaker 12 (01:03:35):
Yeah, with any candidate played more than fifteen years ago,
we'll have a complete booklet put together with all the
information that our committee would need to go over. The
candidates will have an advance. They sit down in a
few hour meeting and we walked through each particular candidate.
We do this every year, so you can imagine you
stay on the veterans ballots. You might come close one year,

(01:03:57):
and then when the committee meets again, we start coming.
We start over. There's no looking back and saying well,
this person got this many votes years ago. Because the
committee changes and time changes, and the way we look
at players and candidates changes, and that's just the way
it is, and I think people view it different ways.
So I love hearing the discussions from this committee. It's

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probably one of the greatest meetings to be in to
really break down each person, and each committee member can
tell a story or talk about a candidate and make
a case for a candidate, and usually committee members make
cases for several candidates and gives everybody something to consider,
because it's a challenge when you don't remember seeing these
guys play on a regular basis, and as time goes by,

(01:04:40):
I think it's more challenging. It doesn't mean they're not deserving.
It just means that you've got to do a little deeper,
doctor sure.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
And the people in that committee probably changed too, either
through death or wor they move away or whatever it
may be, and so the process has to constantly regenerate itself.
But for the current class, you can vote now through
the twenty seventh of this month at Redsmuseum dot org.
And again only two will immerge in this class. Now
you can only vote for two or is it you

(01:05:10):
just tally them up?

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
And whatnot?

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
I mean you can't vote for everybody. I think one
person has to just vote for two, that's it.

Speaker 12 (01:05:16):
Right, Yeah, you have one ballot per day, and on
that ballot you can vote for two people.

Speaker 11 (01:05:21):
At the most.

Speaker 12 (01:05:22):
You can vote for one if you want, but they
can up to two on each ballot.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Okay, one ballot per day, so yeah, you could vote
multiple times.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
All right, Rick, good stuff, full with it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Yeah, look forward to this and the whole ceremony on
April the twenty fourth through the twenty sixth at the
Reds Hall of Fame and Museum. All right, Rick, thanks
for your time. We appreciate it.

Speaker 11 (01:05:43):
All right, thank you can't take care?

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Yeah you bet.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Homer Bailey, Francisco Cordero, Zach Cozart, Aaron Harang, Mike Lee,
Brandon Phillips, Scott Rowland, Edinson Volcz. There you go, candidates
for the twenty twenty six class for the Reds Hall
of Fame. All right, straight ahead, The walls are closing
in on John Brennan and others involved in Crossfire, Hurricane

(01:06:08):
and what appears to have been deception for a lot
of people on a lot of different levels. Before Donald
Trump took office in twenty sixteen, we'll talk about that.
Subpoenas have been issued. Indictments may be coming on news
radio seven hundred w l W.

Speaker 13 (01:06:25):
Oh your host Ken Brew on News Radio seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Welcome back to the festivities. We're here for another hour.
I'm your congenial guide until Sterling takes over. He'll be
in at three zh five. The walls are closing in
on John Brennan. You remember John Brennan, right ran the CIA,
very much a critic of Donald Trump. Well, now a
federal grand jury has subpoened John Brennan along with former

(01:06:55):
FBI officials Peter Strock and Lisa Page, you know the lovers,
among others, as part of the Justice Department's investigation into
the origins of the Trump the Trump Russia probe. Thirty
subpoenas apparently will be issued in the coming days. This
grand jury is out of Florida Southern District of Florida.

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Strock and Page worked together on Special Council Robert Mueller's
team in twenty seventeen, and Strock as the FBI agent
who in July of twenty sixteen, before that election, opened
the FBI's initial Russia investigation, which got the nickname Crossfire
Hurricane inside FBI headquarters. Now this is interesting as for

(01:07:41):
any criminal investigation into Brennan. The current CIA Director John
Radcliffe is referring evidence of wrongdoing by Brennan to FBI
Director Cash Battel. Brennan, in letters in memos, insisted on
the Steele dossier. You remember the Steel dossier, right, It

(01:08:02):
was the anti Trump document. It was widely unverified and
proven to be inaccurate, commissioned by a company called Fusion GPS,
it was paid for by Hillary Clinton's campaign. But he
wanted that dossier, and he wanted the contents of that dossier.

(01:08:24):
He wanted them included into this this report that was
delivered on Trussia and Russia Gate, even though it's alleged
that Brennan knew that it was not truthful. And then
just two years ago, testifying in front of Congress, Brennan
testified that he did not want it included. And that's

(01:08:48):
where they may have him on a potential lie among
other things, because we don't know what the subpoenas are
all about. Now, let's uh, let's transport just just for
a moment. Let's let's trans transition to this. There's a
former CIA operative by the name of Adam Hartage, who

(01:09:08):
has written a new book, and his book is about
AI and leading the country into the new world of AI.
It's called the Alpha Blueprint, the Next Generation for an
AI future. But this former CIA operative, Adam Hartage, he's
at Operations Office WO he was, has resurrected a name

(01:09:30):
by the name of Stephen Halper. And according to Stephan Halper,
this particular guy Halper, who worked for several Republican administrations Nixon, Ford,
and Reagan, became somewhat of a superspy that began targeting
the Trump administration very early on in twenty sixteen, and

(01:09:52):
targeting specifically General Michael Flynn. We're resurrecting some names here,
but it all fits together as the walls now seem
to be closing in on Brennan, who may indeed be indicted.
No indictments yet, he has been subpoened. No indictments yet,
need to point that out. So let's bring in this

(01:10:16):
former CIA Operations officer, Adam Hartage. Let's get some texture
as to who this character, Steve Stephan Halper is and
how that might all affect a lot of these people
that were wrapped up in Russiagate and crossfire, hurricane and
Adam Hartage, thank you for joining.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
How are you on this glorious day.

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
I'm terrific. Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
Let's just talk a little bit and just for background purposes,
General Michael Flynn, I think everybody knows that name from
what happened in the early stages of Trump one point zero.
Why was the deep state? Why was the former administration?
Why were they so concerned about Michael Flynn, whom most
people couldn't pick out of a lineup before he was

(01:11:01):
named to the Trump administer, one of the highest posts
in the Trump administration. Why the interest in him?

Speaker 14 (01:11:08):
I think reason for the interest in General Flynn at
the time was that he was a man that couldn't
be bought and paid for.

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
And I remember that.

Speaker 14 (01:11:19):
So I used to be one of the fendest and
operatives underneath General Flynn with the Defense Intelligence Agency before
I went over to CIA proper and uh, I remember
then it was it was pretty clear that that it
was it was again party and politics over duty and
and everything else when it came to the deep.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
State trying to crush people. In fact, I mean I've
heard from numerous sources.

Speaker 14 (01:11:44):
Uh in fact, actually that that President Obama himself, when
Trump forty five was coming into the Oval office, told
him the only the only person that he said to Trump,
he said, do not hire Flynn as your National security
advisor or we will destroy him. And Trump did hire him,

(01:12:06):
and twenty one days later we all know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
What happened, Yes we do. Now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
All of this is background to the intrigue that is
going on right now John Brennan and whatnot. But there
is newly surface documentation that shows that long time intelligence asset,
a guy by the name of Stephan Halper, played a
direct role in targeting Michael Flynn. Background on Halper and

(01:12:32):
tell me if any of this is wrong. A retired
senior fellow at the University of Cambridge worked for the Nixon,
Ford Reagan administrations. IG report said that Halper reported on
conversations inside the Trump campaign, was an essence and FBI
informant for Crossfire Hurricane. Does that pretty much define what
Halper was to the early stages of the Trump one

(01:12:54):
point zero.

Speaker 14 (01:12:56):
Based on everything that I've seen in the documentation as
well as co his own notes and things that are
coming to light these days, the answer appears to be.

Speaker 5 (01:13:05):
Yes, definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Why did so many people listen to him? I mean
he had Nixon, he had four I mean he was
what appeared to be and believe believe. I think people
have to understand this. There is deep state Democrat, deep
state Republican. It would seem like he would be a
deep state Republican guy. Why would people be Is he
just a good old fashioned spy ors or something else

(01:13:28):
with this guy?

Speaker 9 (01:13:30):
No?

Speaker 14 (01:13:30):
Well, first off, I would say to the members of
the intelligence community, especially on the operations side, I have
never served with anybody that was not an honorable individual
in the service of their nation, other than once you
get to the upper echelon and senior deep state type leadership.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
So who was who was Halper? Why did so many
people trust this guy? I mean, not just the Obama administration,
not just s Flynn, John Brennan. I mean, we're going
back decades. There were so many different presidents that this
guy worked for. What was it about him?

Speaker 14 (01:14:12):
I have no idea at that level other than I
would I would.

Speaker 5 (01:14:16):
Imagine it had something to do with.

Speaker 11 (01:14:19):
That.

Speaker 14 (01:14:19):
There's a certain malleyability in him and a certain loyalty
to the state.

Speaker 5 (01:14:24):
More than loyalty to duty, I would say, And that's
that's just a guess.

Speaker 14 (01:14:30):
I don't have any you know, first or secondhand information
on that, but that's just based on what I've seen
and kind of how things work, you know, in DC politics,
and it's an ugly, ugly business.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
The reporting late last week was that the Department of
Justice is about to begin the formal procedure of filing
charges against John Brennan, and Brennan's name and his fingerprints
seem to be all over everything from before Trump got
into office, crossfire, a hurricane, and beyond, a little bit

(01:15:04):
about John Brennan because I guess indirectly you work for him.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Maybe directly you work for him.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
Tell me about him, and tell me about what kind
of guy he is, and your just thoughts on this.
It looks like maybe the walls are closing in on
this guy right now.

Speaker 14 (01:15:23):
Well, it sure does appear that way. And you know,
I don't know the full measure of the man. I
only know what I saw witness. Briefly. I was a
CIA operations officer, as you had mentioned, and I was
serving underneath him, and in fact, I was in station
one day when he came in on the way out.
It was kind of one of his last sort of

(01:15:45):
addresses to the agency as this was back in early
twenty seventeen or late twenty sixteen, right right as the
changeover was going into, you know, from Obama to the
Trump presidency, so he was he was on his way
out of the time, and I remember, uh, it was
very clear that he was a politics and a political

(01:16:08):
party guy over duty then, because he had a very
slipping attitude towards the incoming president and very much dismissive like,
you guys don't need to listen to him. You know
the orders, you know, this is let deep states just
going to continue doing what it does. And he didn't
use the words deep state, but but that's the gist.

(01:16:29):
Was kind of like, Okay, don't worry about this new guy.
Even joked, you know, this Trump forty five thing. And
I just really that that just that that did not
sit well with me at all. I raised a lot
of keen about it, and actually I was forcibly.

Speaker 5 (01:16:46):
Removed from the agency not long thereafter.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
When when the guy that runs the CIA says something
like or any company, it doesn't matter whether it's to
see her when when they are flipping and where they're
dismissive of the person they are Answer two, It has
in oftentimes a cascading effect to the rest of the
people the rank and file. Did that attitude can did
that attitude that bothered you that he espoused? Did that

(01:17:13):
lead into the rest of the CIA, the rank and file,
the foot soldiers and all that. Did that become a
problem inside that group?

Speaker 14 (01:17:22):
Well, I can't speak in generally about, you know, the
sort of pulse of what the agency was like.

Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
I will just say that.

Speaker 14 (01:17:32):
Federal employees have a tendency to kind of go wherever
the ship is pointing at the time that is pointing.
And when I say the ship, I'm not talking about
an elected you know, president or party every four years.

Speaker 5 (01:17:51):
I'm talking about the.

Speaker 14 (01:17:52):
Longer term, you know, permanent bureaucracy that runs really the
federal government.

Speaker 5 (01:17:58):
And that all.

Speaker 14 (01:17:58):
Really came about with with the advent of the federal
the permanent federal Civil Service, which I was part of,
and frankly was kind of disgusted by it, because, I
mean I realized that, you know, it was next to
impossible to remove somebody in a position like that once
they're quote tenured, and and and it takes away the

(01:18:23):
entire the entire motivation for them to work hard or
do anything. That's why, you know, you hear a lot
of times people complaining about them and employees are lazy
and that it's because they're not properly incentivized. I mean
it's I mean, I can think about office space, you know,
with this, and it's like when you've got eight different
bosses and uh, you know, you know, and they don't

(01:18:44):
provide any kind of actual motivation for you to perform
better or not. In fact, the only motivation to spend
the money or else you don't get it again the
next year.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Yeah, yeah, I totally get that. By the way, we're
chatting with Adam Hard and he's the author of the
book The Alpha Blueprint, The Next Generation for an AI Future.
We don't know what the future holds, but just your
own personal opinion, would you be surprised if John Brennan
was indicted by a federal grand jury?

Speaker 14 (01:19:14):
I would not be surprised at all. In fact, I
think that that's been coming for a while prior to Lardy,
you know that the it hadn't happened, you know already.
I think that there's ample evidence and you know, it's
the guy's own words are and his own actions are
the ones that the things that are going to hang

(01:19:35):
in frankly. Uh And and it's you know, you make
your bed and you put politics, and you put party,
and you put power over duty and honor and country.
And I don't think that that carnival right ends.

Speaker 5 (01:19:49):
Well for you.

Speaker 14 (01:19:50):
Uh And I certainly, I certainly would not shed a
tear if that man ended up, you know, in in
some kind of a trial for actions that he's take
in which I believe he's priminally it has the appearance,
I should say, of being criminally liable for some of
the things he did as a senior leader.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
It'll be, it'll be, it'll be interesting. I mean, you've
got Comeyo has already been indicted. Who knows what comes
out of that that might affect anything that happens to Brennan.
Brennan has not been charged or indicted with anything. It's
just the DJ apparently has the wheels in motion. But
I sense the walls are are closing in on a
lot of these folks. And it will be interesting also

(01:20:33):
to see what role General Michael Flint Flynn plays in
any kind of testimony or any kind of help from
the government with this as well. I think Flynn is
going to be back in public conversation here very quickly
because of what's going on here with Brennan.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
But be that as a day.

Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
Oh, I was just gonna say.

Speaker 14 (01:20:50):
I mean, you know, I pray that that this administration
really does follow through with what they said that they
were going to do, which is, you know, hold uh
leadership accountable and tell the American people the truth and
expose the lives and.

Speaker 5 (01:21:06):
The corruption and clean up the deep state. I really
pray that they do it.

Speaker 14 (01:21:10):
I don't know if if any one term in office
or any party is actually capable of doing it, but
if anybody is, I mean, good Lord knows that President
Trump is going to do it faster and you know,
better than anybody else. They've got everything we've seen in
just the last year since he's been back in office.

Speaker 5 (01:21:30):
So you know, I'm I'm also not a chicken.

Speaker 14 (01:21:33):
Little guy, you know, when it comes to AI in
the future, the deep state and all those other things.

Speaker 5 (01:21:38):
I do believe that that there are blue skuys ahead.

Speaker 14 (01:21:41):
I believe we're gonna have some real challenges, real challenges
in the coming future, especially with jobs going a way
faster than robots can replace them, and and people having
to figure out.

Speaker 5 (01:21:51):
How to stay relevant in the world ahead.

Speaker 14 (01:21:53):
So I would highly encourage every every parent that's listening
to this to buyocopy of the book and sit down
and really go over it with their kids and start.

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To think about how this is going to affect.

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Them in their lives and how they can structure their
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Yeah, I think you're right, it's going to be turbulent.
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Thank you for your time. We appreciate it. Stay well.

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Federal grand jury subpoenaed former CIA director John Brennan and
other FBI officials, including Peter Strock and Lisa Page thirty
subpoenas an all will be issued in the coming days
related to this investigation into what they try to tag
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that simply won't go away, and I think the people
that have been subpoened, we're simply hoping that it would
go away. Things like this never do. Ohio State twenty
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All the mayhem handled. I'm sure by then, and if not,
he'll create some more may to handle. But that is
at three oh six. We're here till then, and listening
to a little Buffalo Springfield here reminds me the Rock
and Roll A Hall of Fame induction ceremony is tonight

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in Los Angeles and among those being inducted the great
group Bad Company. Unfortunately, lead singer Paul Rodgers will not
make it. He's got many health concerns, but the music
will be there.

Speaker 4 (01:24:31):
Take whatever will time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
I want you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Fortieth year for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
to induct new members. Bad Company is among the class
of twenty twenty five. Come so too, Chubby Checker, Joe Cocker,
Cindy Lauper, Outcast, Soundgarden, and the White Stripes. That's in
the performer category, along with Warren Zevon and Salt and Peppa.

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They will be in the music influence category. Songwriter Tom Bell,
terrific keyboardist Nicky Hopkins, and one of the all time
great bass players Carol Kaye are being inducted for musical excellence,
and some people just aren't going to be there. Carol

(01:25:26):
kay doesn't want to go. She just said, look, I'm ninety.
You guys have been referring to me as a member
of the quote unquote wrecking Crew. I wasn't. I was
just a very good musician. Thanks won't be attended. Chubby
Checker not going. Chubby said, look, you guys have ignored
me for so long. To hell with your ceremony? Not going,

(01:25:49):
of course, Joe Cocker can't go, he's dead. Bad Company.
Like I said, some of the musicians will be there.
I believe, In fact, I know, I know this. Mick
Fleetwood from Fleetwood Mac is going to be inducting Bad
Company tonight. You can watch it on Disney Plus. Disney
Plus is carrying it live later on on Hulu. It'll

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be televised live, but that won't be for another couple
of months. And the guy that runs the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame, they're President and CEO, is a
man by the name of Greg Harris, formerly worked at
the Baseball Hall of Fame, went over to the Rock
and Roll Hall of Fame about five six years ago.
As I said, President and CEO, and he is joining

(01:26:33):
us now to talk about tonight's induction ceremony.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
And Greg Harris, how are you on this glorious Saturday.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
I'm doing fantastic guy like you. I'm in the great
state of.

Speaker 15 (01:26:43):
Ohio at the moment, heading out to LA shortly, and
we are very excited to be honoring this year's inductees
Bad Company. Chubby Checker Joe Cocker, Cydney Lauper, Outcast, Soundgarden,
the White Stripes, along with Warren Zvon Tom Bell, Nicky Hopkins,
Salton Pepper, Carol Kay and Lenny Warnickert.

Speaker 4 (01:27:04):
It's a great class.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
It's a wonderful class.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
And then look at the presenters you got here, Justin Allen's,
Avril Levine, Brian Adams, You've got Joe Perry, Mick Fleetwood,
Nancy Wilson, Jim Carrey is going to be there. This
is kind of like the award show of award shows,
when you put the honorees alongside the people presenting an
award show.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
Of an award show.

Speaker 15 (01:27:24):
Now it's earlier, like Elton John, Brandy, Carlisle, Olivia Rodrigo,
Teddy Swims, twenty one Pilots, another great Ohio band. Yeah,
you know, part of it is they want to be
there to honor these inductees. And that's the great thing
about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is it
cuts across generations and these artists that will be on

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the show, they were impacted and influenced by the artists
that are being honored and inducted, and it's a natural fit.
It makes for some really interesting pairings on stage and
some great stories. And you can be part of it
by tuning in to Disney Plus at eight o'clock Eastern
to see the whole ceremony stream live.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Yep, eight o'clock tonight, no question about it. Help us
through the process of picking who gets in. Take us
through the whole sausage process, from conception to nomination, to
research to voting.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
How does all that work?

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
You know there?

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
It is a process. It's quite rigorous.

Speaker 15 (01:28:23):
Actually, there's a nominating committee that meets every year this
early in the year in January. That group is about,
you know, twenty four twenty six performers, industry experts, executives,
media people, and everybody there nominates two and there's a

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series of voting and you leave that room with a ballot,
and the ballot typically has between twelve and fifteen artists
on it. That then goes out to all the other
living inductees.

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
That's the largest.

Speaker 15 (01:28:56):
Voting body, as well as media members and people in broadcasts,
and everybody votes and then the top five or six.

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
Vote getters are then elected.

Speaker 15 (01:29:06):
That's the primary process for how you get into the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. There's also some committees
so that the committees can look at certain areas. For instance,
Lenny Warnicker is an executive. You can't really put Lenny
Warnicker up against Bad Company in the election because people
just won't know who he is.

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
But he's really influential and important.

Speaker 15 (01:29:29):
And so those committees put in people for musical influence
and in industry musical excellence.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
Absolutely, And again, you know, the performers made names for
themselves Bad Company, Chubby Checker, Joe cocker All going into
the Hall, Cindy Lauper, Outcast, Sound Garden, White Strikes, among others.
But there are other categories and other people and music
that you honor. And one of those means a lot
to me. It's a guy by the name of Tom Bell,

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who was instrumental in so many acts that came out.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Of the Philadelphia area.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
He almost single handedly resurrected the spinner's career, which had
just flatlined in Motown.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
What a guy, what a what a talent.

Speaker 15 (01:30:13):
Well, I'm thrilled that you recognize that and mentioned him.
I'm from Philadelphia, so I know Tom bell story well,
and he everybody knows Gambling Huff.

Speaker 4 (01:30:26):
Well.

Speaker 15 (01:30:26):
Tom was the third Musketeer with those guys, extraordinary arranger,
all those orchestral backing, with the really strong Philly soul Field.

Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
That's all Tom Bell. What a genius.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
No, he's one of my guys. I mean, I just
what he did. And later in his career with another songwriter,
he teamed up with Linda Creed. They really wrote some
great stuff. And a lot of the people that are
being honored will not be there. Some just can't. Paul Rogers,
who led Bad Company for so many years, He's had
a lot of health problems. He's had some major strokes.

(01:31:04):
I think he's had like nine or ten strokes. He's
still alive, but he just he's not going to be
able to perform. I think Mick Fleetwood is going to
induct him.

Speaker 4 (01:31:15):
I don't have that exact in front of him, but
I'm pretty sure. I know that they were friends and
admired each other.

Speaker 15 (01:31:22):
But some of the others, you know, Joe Cocker unfortunately
has passed. But boy, think about who's going to perform
in Joe Cocker's honor and really step up to that microphone.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
The others Warren.

Speaker 15 (01:31:34):
Zevon musicians, musician, and I thought you were going to
mention Nicky Hopkins because the keyboard player he records with
The Stones, the Beatles, the Who, and the Kinks, among others.
He is the go to guy for session work and
a big part of Excellent main Street and one of

(01:31:55):
my favorite records.

Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
Great to see him going in.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Yeah, Excellent, I Might Strive. That's a phenomenal album. Anyway,
The Stones, the Beatles, Who, the Kinks. Even if you're
part of that group, that's among others. You have to
be honored to be a part of what Nicky Hopkins
has accomplished. When does the process start for twenty twenty six?

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
When does that begin?

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
You know it will begin.

Speaker 15 (01:32:24):
Really that meeting I mentioned will happen in January and
we just go at it all over again, getting recommendations,
we're learning, we're seeing things, and it's a full year activity.

Speaker 4 (01:32:39):
It's not like it's one and done.

Speaker 15 (01:32:41):
So it's really exciting to see which artists will be
considered next year.

Speaker 4 (01:32:45):
But right now we're going to celebrate this class this year.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
I just hope whoever gets in next year years that
ensue that they're alive to see it. I know you
spent many years, I think fourteen at the Baseball Hall
of Fame and Museum up in Cooperstown. We just had
a situation this year where Dave Parker finally, finally was
elected to Baseball's Hall of Fame and did not get

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to see it. He did not get to the finish line.
He died about a month before the ceremony. So that's
what I hope for, is that if someone is honored,
that they're there to appreciate just the enormity of it,
and their family is with them. It's a really big deal,
I think, And I know you have no way to
control that. The voting is what the voting is, but

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it would be nice if the inductee is alive.

Speaker 15 (01:33:32):
Yeah, you know, it's nice to be there to smell
the flowers and get your accolades.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
And the other is.

Speaker 15 (01:33:41):
The music itself indoors, it's there and it's impacted all
of us.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
And it will be celebrated in great grandeur tonight out
in Los Angeles again, eight o'clock if you have Disney Plus,
eight o'clock if you have Disney Plus. I can't believe
it's been forty years. This is the fortieth annual Rock
and Roll Hall of Fame Induction ceremony, and of course
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in museum up
in Cleveland should be a destination. It's one of the

(01:34:09):
great attractions for the country, but certainly for anybody here
in Ohio.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Easy car drive obviously.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Okay, great catching up with you, Greg Harris, President of
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Stay well, Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:34:22):
Ken, Come up and see us sometime in Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
We love to holl Yeah, I'll take you up on that.
I've been up in Cleveland a lot over the last year,
and no, I'd love to. I'd like to do the
show from up there. You know, you can do your
radio show from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
That'd be fun. Never knew who might stop by. You know,

(01:34:44):
you might get some of those rock and rollers on
with you live. That's never been done by me. It
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At Little Miami Brewing. A lot's going on live music
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Joe Russell on bass. You know he played before the
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Jame O, what a voice? What a voice? What a voice?
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Incomparable, Joe Cocker is going into the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Kay, you don't care about me?

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Set me free, Set me free. Well, I am going
to get set free here in just a couple of minutes.
Stirling is in after the news at the top of
the hour. You know, I'm passionate about a lot of things,
sports and music, and I am passionate about what I drive.
And I only drive BMW's from the BMW store right

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here in Cincinnati. Do you know there are over three
hundred and fifty BMW centers in the United States. There's
only one BMW store and it's conveniently located ten minutes
north of downtown Cincinnati, right off I seventy one at
the Stuart Road exit. I've said this many times, I

(01:37:44):
will say it again. When you're writing through life, you
might as well ride through life and luxury and you
will always find that at the BMW store. Ohio State
twenty four per Due three. That is at the half,
actually third quarter has just commenced. The real drama is
occurring in Happy Valley, Indiana twenty, Penn State seventeen, and

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Penn State has just picked off Indiana quarterback for Nando Mendoza. So,
as they say back in the old neighborhood, Indiana is
on the ropes and Penn State is fixing to score
Big twelve game of interest Texas Tech twenty six BYU six.
That's with about seven and a half minutes to go

(01:38:33):
in the fourth quarter BYU. If they lose today, that
really jumbles the rating of the rankings up inside the
Big twelve to the betterment I might point out of
your Cincinnati Bearcats. As for the Bengals, they are off
this week and Zach Taylor said this week there will
be no changes on his staff, his coaching staff on

(01:38:55):
the decent offensive side of the football.

Speaker 8 (01:38:57):
These are good football coaches.

Speaker 16 (01:38:59):
They've been success everywhere they've been and so again we're
still in the first half of the season. We all
know we got to play better as a football team.
There's been challenges or offensive faced o of course the season,
we worked through them. We're playing better for it. There's
challenges are defense they're facing right now. I'm confident that
we're gonna work through it. We're gonna play better football
and find a way to win.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
You better win some games.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
You're three and six and the season looks like it's
imploded on you. But nevertheless, weekend off. Next up a
trip to Pittsburgh and that will be one week from tomorrow.
Okay tomorrow on Sunday morning Sports Talk, Jay Morrison SI
dot com in to talk about your Bengals and whether
or not what Zach Taylor just says has a chance

(01:39:42):
of coming true.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
Lee Sterling will be in.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
He'll handicap five games tomorrow in the National Football League.
He is absolutely convinced will be winners for you. FC
Cincinnati plays tonight Game three, and the hell is real.
Playoff downerby as they say, and if FC Cincinnati doesn't
pull it off tonight, the future for that team may
be in serious, serious doubt, not necessarily from a surviving standpoint,

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but who leads that team. This is a huge game
tonight for FC Cincinnati on a number of levels. Kevin
Wallace from the Sincy Post podcast will join me tomorrow
to break that one down. Also tomorrow, Matt Snyder's cbssports
dot com. He covers baseball for them. Your Cincinnati Reds
are going to have the same payroll number as last

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year and they're expected to get better. How does that work?
And joining me tomorrow will be one of the founding
members of the Megagroup, the Eagles. Bernie Ledden will join
me tomorrow to talk about the Eagles, what he's been
up to, and whether or not there will ever be
one of those grand reunions, I mean, full time, full

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blown grand and reunions. Stay tuned for all of that.
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