10-29-25 R+L Carriers Sports Talk with Lance McAlister

Lance hosts Xavier men's basketball coach Richard Pitino, Richard Skinner of Local 12 joins to talk Bengals, and Lance takes your calls on a variety of topics.

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The following takes place between six pm and seven pm.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
You want answers.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
I think I'm entitled.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
You what answer the truth? You can't handle the truth?

Speaker 4 (00:22):
Truth?

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The truth.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hey, hey, here we go.

Speaker 5 (00:26):
Six nine seven hundred WLW Welcome into Rnel Carrier Sports
Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. I'm aliance, but calister man,
I'm glad to have you here. You know what we
have tonight, three full hours, just.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Like we like it.

Speaker 5 (00:39):
I've got guest, I've got topics, I've got involvement for you.
First up, let me serve up the headlines. Bengals back
on the practice field today, working on Sunday's matchup versus
the Bears at pay Corps. Joe Flacco did not practice
with a strained a seed joint in his throwing shoulder,
probably fifty to fifty now looking at Sunday, whether he
players or not. Zach Taylor saying, we have a playing

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in place where to see where he is at the
end of the week. He wants to play in the game,
it's painful. Logan Wilson did not practice today with a
calf injury. Trey Hendrickson did not practice today with that
hip and no Dalton Reisner with that illness. More from
Skinny Richard Skinner of Local twelve coming up in about
ten minutes. By the way, the Bears top four wide

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receivers did not practice today, each out with injuries. Mike
Pennell asked for his release from the Bengals yesterday. He
returned to his former team today, signing with the Chiefs.
It's his third stint in Kansas City, where he played
in forty two games. The Jets worked out former UC
quarterback Des Ritter. The Roundtable Show moves to the Hebrew

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location of Long next tomorrow night.

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With us for a couple hours of football conversation. The
Lions and star edg rusher Aiden Hutchinson have agreed to
a four year, one hundred and eighty million dollars deal
with one hundred and forty one million guaranteed. The Lions
have committed nine hundred and sixty eight million plus to
nine cornerstone players with extensions. Nine players nine hundred and

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sixty eight million committed college football twenty first rank you
see Bearcats started ramping up work on number twenty four
Utah on Saturday Night showdown in Salt Lake City more
than the Bearcats. Later in our conversation, Baseball, Dodgers and
Jay's even at two games of beast in the World
Series after toronto sixty two win last night. Game five
is tonight in LA first pitch eight o'clock. Congrats to

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Red's re laver Brent Souter on being named the Players
Choice Award Marvin Miller Man.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Of the Year.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
Hockey, the Blue Jackets rallied to beat the Sabers last night,
the overtime game winner from Miles Wood on a two
goal night Jackets turn around and host the Maple Leafs
tonight's seven thirty Drop of the Puck. College basketball Xavier
opens the season Monday versus Merris at home. Coach Richard
Patino my guest coming up at six Richard Skinner At
six thirty five, you see Coach Wes Miller says big

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man Jalen Haynes had a procedure and his return won't
be soon. They hope to get him back towards the
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(04:08):
I'm Lance pacallister. Happy to have you here. Let's talk
some hoops. My next guest ready to officially embark on
his first season at Xavier when the Musketeers played Marist
on Monday night, seven fifteen at Centas. What a pleasure
to welcome in the head coach of the Xavier Musketeers,
Richard Patino, Coach Lance McAllister.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
How are we doing doing great? Lance?

Speaker 5 (04:27):
Thanks for having me great catching up with you and
hearing your voice. Uh, let's walk through this. You were
hired March twenty fifth. It's been a whirlwin of moving
parts since. Are you looking forward to finally just tossing
the ball up and coaching a game that counts?

Speaker 6 (04:41):
Yeah, I mean year one is always a little bit
challenging for obvious reasons. You know, when you don't inherit
a player who's made a basket, that could be a
little bit challenging from last year. We so we did
our very best to certainly put together a staff, put
together a roster, you know, and just build kind of

(05:02):
from scratch.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
But you know, it's a fun group. They're really good guys.

Speaker 6 (05:05):
They're easy to coach, they work hard, They've got a
great attitude. And yeah, I mean, you know, one of
the reasons I took the job was just, you know,
the Cintas Center is such a cool building, the Zavi,
your fan base really really cares, you know, So we're
excited to play in front of them.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
Twelve new guys. As you alluded to, first time a
Xavier coach has not had a single returning scholarship letter
winner in program history. Coach, I don't have to tell you,
but I'll tell the fans that's an awfully difficult recipe
for success, especially in the Big East.

Speaker 6 (05:38):
Yeah, I think you have to explain the fans, and
you know it's a slippery slope because you don't want
to sound like you're complaining. But it's a new profession,
you know, the last four or five years when the
rules changed, and you know you've got transfers.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
That can be eligible right away.

Speaker 6 (05:53):
Normally when there's a coaching change, you are lucky to
inherit you know, a couple of players from the regime.
Where in the past you inherited a roster, then you
kind of try to figure out who you wanted to keep,
who you wanted to you know, maybe move on or whatever.
Where Now it's you're starting over. So you know, it's

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all good.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
It is what it is. You know, we're going to
coach our buts off on Monday and see when you're
at them.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
When I was struck by something you said recently to
Paul Fritchner, and you said, what's happening today in the
game isn't recruiting. It's free agency. And it really truly is,
isn't it.

Speaker 6 (06:32):
Yeah, you know, you don't want to sound like disrespectful
to people when they bring up the past. But I
just think it's very very important, and you're seeing it
in football right now. I mean, you're seeing programs like
Vanderbilt be really really good.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Texas Tech.

Speaker 6 (06:46):
You know, schools that may not have been good in
the past are now elevating their spending in the NIL space.
They're getting really really good players. You know, the players
are making different decisions now on what, you know, why
they're choosing a program. It used to be facilities, it
used to be private planes, nutrition or whatever. But you know,

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it really really comes down to investment more than anything.
And you know, the cost of winning is high, and
you know, I know Xavier wants to have a great
basketball program, but it's very very important that you know,
we all understand what that is moving forward and what
the most important thing is. And what I can tell
you is, you know, and everybody knows this, when you

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have a winning basketball program, especially at a place like
Xavier in the Big East that doesn't have football, you're
you're going to get the return on the investment, whether
it's through marketing, whether it's through packed houses, all those things.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
But yeah, I mean, times have changed.

Speaker 6 (07:47):
You're seeing you know, the number one recruit in the
country is from Boston.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
He went to my high school actually where.

Speaker 6 (07:53):
I went in Boston, and he's going to be why
you that's not not going to be HYU program, But
it's just guys are making different decisions now, more so
than they ever have before.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
You've had an exhibition game against Murray State, scrimmage against Toledo.
Were they productive? What would be a takeaway or two
from those opportunities?

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, they were really productive, you know.

Speaker 6 (08:15):
I mean I think moving forward, what I'd like to
be able to do is play one at home, play
one on the road, you know, to you get the
jitters out to the best of your ability.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
You know.

Speaker 6 (08:28):
I think people are still trying to figure out how
to take all these exhibition games and so on. But
for us, it's it's just an opportunity to play with
the lights on, play in front of fans, see where
what we're doing well, see what we need to work on,
and you know, there's a bunch. I mean, we've had
some good moments, we've had some sloppy moments, but I
think it shows you more than anything like this is

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going to be really really competitive and we're not to
scratching claw to get a win. But as I said before,
both both games were valuable in different ways.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
But what I've loved.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
About the team is the attitude is terrific.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
Right now, when I talk to people about your team,
in most instances, they quickly bring up the name Trey Carroll,
the transfer from Florida Atlantic. Tell listeners about your impressions
of Trey.

Speaker 6 (09:16):
Yeah, you never know with players, are they you know,
are they gamers?

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Are they not?

Speaker 6 (09:20):
And that's probably the most positive takeaway from the two
exhibition games was he just seemed to turn it on
to you know, to another level. You know, in these
game situations. He's pretty skilled. He can make the three
and go in the post. He could score his left hand,
his right hand.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
He's older, you know.

Speaker 6 (09:39):
He came from a really good program at FAU to
have gone to the Final four, so you know, we're very,
very lucky to have him.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
He competes his butt off, you.

Speaker 6 (09:48):
Know, he really really you know, he'll die for a
loose fall, he'll block a shot and transition. You know,
he's got a very high basketball i Q. So he's
absolute been.

Speaker 7 (10:00):
Very, very impressive in the first two exhibition.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
Games, Xavier fans have been accustomed to seeing that pack
line defense over the years, over a couple of decades.
In a perfect defensive world, what will they see from
your defense?

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Well, we were fortunate in New Mexico.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
We had you know, I'm not sure the exact number,
but we were top twenty defensively in every year of
the last two years and went to Anson Tobody Tournament.
We were able to generate turnovers. You know, that doesn't
mean like we're going to be flying all over the
place like bad men, but you know, the best way
to score is to get out on the break, and
the best way to do that is to have a
great defense. So I'm not anti the pack line by

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any means, but we just have kind of a different
style to what we try to do.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
You know, we feel that it works.

Speaker 6 (10:47):
You know, obviously it's going to be a work in
progress with the personnel, but I guess the difference is
maybe a little bit more aggressive, maybe a little bit
more disruptive. But there certainly are a million different ways
skin a cat. But what's been funny is just kind
of hearing the differences because for Xavior, although they've had
a bunch of different coaches. They were all really part

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of the same family, you know, Tree coaching Tree, and
they all kind of did it the same. Where we
do it differently doesn't mean it's better or worse. But
you know, we built really really competitive championship defenses the
last couple of years, and we've got to do the same.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Year On the other side.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
I think you guys averaged over eighty points a game
last year, second most fast break points a game last year,
so you push the pace. Do you have the personnel
and bodies this year to do.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
That as well?

Speaker 8 (11:36):
Well?

Speaker 6 (11:37):
I mean, we certainly built our best team in year
three and year four, and you know that'll be the goal,
you know, obviously Zavier moving forward. But yeah, we want length,
we want athleticism, and you know, we were second in
the country. Like you said, in fast break points, A
lot of that had to do with good defense, you know,
so we're all about defensive lead disruption, getting deflections, blocking shit.

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You know, that's something that I think Zavier didn't really
have in the past, was shot blocking. That would probably
be the biggest difference, although we didn't block a lot
of shots last game. But certainly we want no we
want rim pressure, We want disruption at the rim, and
if you're going to pressure the ball, you know inevitably
it's going to funnel it into the lane, and our
goal is certainly to disrupt it once it gets in there.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
I know you're incredibly busy. I appreciate you making time.
Best of luck and the opener and the rest of
the way, and I hope we can catch up again soon.

Speaker 7 (12:30):
All right, thank you for having me appreciate it, right.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
Take care there you go, Coach Richard Patino, Xavier Musketeers
Monday night, Maris seven point fifteen from Sintas Center. By
the way, Xavier Athletics is celebrating opening week at Cintas
with a pair of special promotions. I'm told five to
one three week for the first two men's games and
the first two women's games. That's five dollars for twelve

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ounce draft beer, one dollar for small popcorn, three dollars
for twenty ounce bottled water. And they're doing a three
dollars beer night coming up November the tenth, when these
Xavier men host Santa Clair. Five to one, three week,
three dollars beer night. Can't beat it. Basketball is here.

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I get the sense it's certainly with his team with
twelve new guys. But I get the sense in a
lot of places, if not most places, people are fans
are saying, I don't really know what do we expect
out of my team because I'm still trying to figure
out all the guys on my team since there's so
much movement.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
I mean, think about it.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
Twelve new guys, the first Xavier coach to not have
a single returning scholarship letter winner, first time in program history.
And oh, by the way, playing in the Big East.
Good catching up with coach hang Tight. We'll catch up
with Skinny, ask him about his thoughts on Joe Flacco,
if this defense in season can get better this year,

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and more as we continue after a check on news,
It's RNL Carrier Sports doc for by Kelsey Chevelie seven
hundred WLW. All right, my next guest covers the Bengals
and the local sports scene for Local twelve dot com.

(14:18):
His Skinny podcast with Roock Brewing a must watch as
well Stocks and Bengals with the man they call Skinny,
Richard Skinner. How are you?

Speaker 8 (14:28):
I'm good, last, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
Thanks for making time tonight. Let's start with the news
of the day surrounding Joe Flacco. What do you make
of his if we're projecting ahead now from Wednesday forward,
what do you make of his status for Sunday?

Speaker 8 (14:42):
Yeah, I think, I mean fifty fifty is what Zach
Taylor called, and that's probably being generous. I mean, you know,
when he went down on that sack on the next
to last series, I had my head down for a
second and somebody said, oh, Jake's throwing, and I looked up.
I okay, And then you see Joe kind of being
looked at by the medical staff. Then he tries this,
he's winking in pain. They give him a couple of
a couple of I don't know, maybe til at all,

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but I know he took something on the sideline that
went into the locker room, and you can imagine probably
got a shot of something in the locker room and
did finish the game, and he was asked after the
game how he felt, and he said, I feel fine. Well,
that's all well and good because you just got shot
up with pain medication.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Probably so you did.

Speaker 8 (15:19):
And then the reality comes in that, yeah, he sprained
his ac joint, and that's those things can be dicey.
I mean, there. They can be really long term, they
can be medium term. They can sometimes be short term.
But if he wasn't good enough to go today and
he doesn't go tomorrow, I know Zach said, you know,
if he feels good on Sunday, even without reps, he
could probably play him. I just I think that's a

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really big ask. I mean, I'll give him credit. I
know Zach did too. I mean, kudos to him for
wanting to play, right. I mean, yeah, this guy's forty
plus years older. He just hurt his throwing shoulder. You
got a bye week coming up, easy, go hey, man,
I'm good. Get Jake ready for this week and I'll
come back hopefully and you know after the bye week.
But I just think it's a big ask if he
plays this weekend.

Speaker 5 (15:58):
After the game on Sunday, Za made a public declaration
of a need for somebody to step up on defense.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
What'd you make of that?

Speaker 8 (16:07):
Yeah, you know, you lost the leadership. But Logan Wilson,
I mean, he's still playing snaps, but he's not playing
start he started. Actually he's not playing you know, the
majority of the snaps. I think it's a plea for
somebody to make a play. I believe that. I mean, like, uh,
you know, somebody needs to make a tackle. Something needs
to disengage and go make a sack. Somebody needs to
you know, come up with interception of sometimes. But I

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think he's looking for leadership with Logan off the field,
and Logan's I don't want to call Logan not a leader.
That's not fair. He's just quiet, okay. And you know
leaders do different things. I mean some lead quietly by
example and some are our real leaders. The guy I
think they're pointing to is Barrett Carter. I mean he,
I know, Zach really like Spirit's leadership qualities. The problem
there is, you know, you also got to lead by

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example too. And I'm not gonna knock be a Carter
for everything because he had a really good first couple
of series, like almost great, and he's played okay. But
he also had a chance on a tackle on Isaiah Davis,
the running back. I mean he diagnoses the play. He
gets right in the gap. It's one on one in
the gap, and the thing you have to do there
as a professional linebacker is put that guy on the ground.
Would have been a yard gain it most probably, and

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he slips through and goes for fifty yards. It's hard
to lead when you're not making the plays and you're
a rookie on top of it. But I do think
that's you're looking for the leader that they're trying to
point to. I think he'd be the guy. Maybe Jordan
Battle a little bit, but again, his performance doesn't exactly
scream Hey, I'm really good, so I'm gonna lead you guys.
So I think I think. I think it's a mess
at the moment. I really do. I mean, they have

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all three levels of the.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Defense, Skinny. Is there an in season fix for this defense?

Speaker 8 (17:35):
I don't think so. I just don't think it's one guy.
I think honestly, Atlantis is multiple seasons. It's gonna take
to fix. You know. I think part of what you're
seeing with the rookie linebackers is, Okay, these are our
guys for the next few years, and let's just let
them go. They're gonna make mistakes. I mean, you saw
the one in Green Bay where they both won to
the outside gap on a Josh Jacob's fourteen yard touchdown
run and he goes right up the middle of the

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end zone. Both of them went to the wrong place.
Both of them went the wrong way. I don't want
to say you have to live with it, but you
kind of do. While they kind of get some of
that out of their system. And you know, at the
cornerback spot, you've you've been up and down with the
Cam killer Brit situation. At the safety spot, neither safeties
play well and guess what if you're looking, We'll put
somebody else in there. They don't really have a backup safety.

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They got two special teams guys backing up at safety
and Tyson Anderson, PJ. Jewels and up front, I mean
Lance Sustie audience is seen in the list. The last
two weeks, they don't disengage from a soul. I mean
it's it's not even like getting pressure. It's like velpro
when when offensive lineman get them it is staggering. Then
in the last two weeks they have three quarterback hits total.
One of those was on that Aaron Rodgers remember when

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he scrambled for eight plus seconds and threw a touchdown pass.
Dimitrius not actually hit him right after.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
He threw the ball.

Speaker 8 (18:47):
That's one quarterback hit. Another one came this past week
when Cam Taylor britt blitz and hit and hit Justin fields.
Those are two of the three quarterback hits in the
last two games. Not sacks, just hits. And that's a
big problem at the moment because while you can put
this secondar and gosh, how to Justin builds carve him up?
He carve him up because he stood back there for
eons to throw the football. There was one worst Secon

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number who the receiver was, because they were all, you know,
backup quality guys. I saw a guy on a takeoff
route and I kind of looked away for a second,
and all of a sudden, I see Justin throw it
that way. The guy came back ten yards of the
football because he had a billion years to throw. They've
got to find a way to generate pass rushing, and
I think Al Golden hinted this, hinted at that with
us on Monday a little bit without let mcallam bag.

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He's on the record when he said it, like, I've
got to create more. I got to create more pressures.
And I think the only way to do that is
to start blitzing more and just throw caution the way
and go we ain't getting stops anyway. Maybe I can
create a negative play. Maybe I can create a turnover too,
and that's the only way we're gonna get stops. Because
if this team just lines up and says we're gonna
try to stop you in base defense and maybe occasionally blitz,
it's not gonna work. It's just not good enough.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
The run game is clicking. Joe Flacco has been kept
relatively clean other than the hit he got smoked on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Why has that happened?

Speaker 8 (20:00):
Great question? And that was actually we talked to Dan
Pitcher today and that was asked of Dan. He just
I just think the offensive lines played well the last
couple of weeks. You know, I thought Orlando Brown was
sliding backwards significantly for the first few weeks. He's played well.
Ted Carris has actually elevated his level of play. It
looks like Galen Rivers I think settling in nicely at
right guard. Marius Mims has kept his side quiet, and

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and you know, Dylan Ferschoud came back in for Dalton
Reisner and Dalton started the previous game, and the offensive
line played well against Pittsburgh. I just think I think
they've somehow settled in. Uh, you know, I know people
continue to look at the offensive line with a John
Desaig and go, oh, they they haven't stunk.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
They've won the ball.

Speaker 8 (20:37):
Great. Joe's been sacked three times and hit minimal times
in the last two games at approximately you know, eighty
some odd drop backs and uh, you know it's they
still have to they still have to protect for a
lot of times in the game, but they dropped back
to pass so much. So yeah, I don't honestly, there's
no real answer than they're just playing better.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
Jamar obviously has been incredible and heavily targeted. Did the
two t targets on raised an eyebrow?

Speaker 9 (21:02):
Sure?

Speaker 8 (21:02):
Did you know? I know the Jets were, you know,
trying to take both of them away. But you know,
if I'm taking one away, no offense to t Higgins,
I'm gonna focus my taking away on Jamar Chase and
not Tea. And so Jamar got plenty of targets and
had plenty of catches. He had two targets Andrey Yoshibash
had three. Look, I know, Andre was probably single covered

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more often. That last play at the end of the game,
they did double both team and Jamar. Jamar talked about
that and Andre was the place to go with it.
But in what world did you sign t Higgins in
this contract and he only gets two targets? That just
seems to be crazy to me, Like, and it feels
like it's kind of been that way almost all year,
where he seems kind of invisible at times. And listen,

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he is a clear number two to Jamar Chase. Let's
not forget that. But you didn't pay him like a
clear number two. You paid him like a one A.
And if you're gonna pay him like a one A,
then you better find a way. I mean, honestly, you
better throw four jump balls to him again just to
get him extra targets in my opinion, If not, why
did you resign him?

Speaker 5 (22:03):
Do you see Yoshi's snaps declining? And if so, who
assumes those snaps?

Speaker 8 (22:11):
Yeah, that's a great question because we you know, we
asked both Pitch and I think Zach either Monday or today,
and we asked Pitch today of you know, do you
still have confidence Andre and they both expressed their confidence.
I wouldn't expect him to say anything otherwise publicly, but
it's hard not to. I mean, that last play is
an example of kind of how his years gone. He
doesn't get much separation. It was a contested catch. I
think we can agree with that. It was not a

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you know, it wasn't wide open. It wasn't wide open
because he didn't get separation, and then it was a
contested catch that he couldn't quite haul in. He's had
some issues with some drops. I mean, it's hard not
to like the kid, but at some point life has
nothing to do with this. I can't imagine you don't
give Mitchell Tin's a little bit more n I think
it'd be silly not to, just because you know, Andre

(22:53):
is not producing and uh, you know, I I think
there's a there's a role where they'd like to get
Jermaine Burden on the field, and Ermaine keeps probably stubbing
his foot to nutget on the field, and so there's
that issue. And so it's it's really it's either Mitchell
Tinsley or him. I mean, maybe if Mike Kasicki was healthy,
you could might put Mike in that role, but Mike's
not healthy. So yeah, I think the next man up

(23:14):
would be Mitchell Tinsley. And I think you need to
see more of that, to be honest with you.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
All Right, last question, they're three and five. There's nine
games left. I saw a new win total today posted
for them at seven and a half. If you were
Terry Rozier, would you bet over or under on that total?

Speaker 8 (23:30):
Yeah? The other thing is I don't have control of
It's like Terry thad totals, man. I mean, that's the
one thing he had gone for. He could determine what
those totals were going to be.

Speaker 5 (23:40):
That would be five, and that'd be five and four
the rest of the way to go over.

Speaker 8 (23:46):
Yeah, I think they. I think they do because I
think they win this week. I think Flacco is at
least back for the Pittsburgh game and they have a
shot to go there. Believe it or not, they win
this week. There is a world in which Pittsburgh is
four and five and the Bengals are four and five
playing at Pittsburgh first place, or at least to keep

(24:08):
the raven Heck, the Ravens might be four and five
at that point two, but you'd be playing head to
head to see which one of you goes to five
and five. That's the goofy part. I mean, nine wins
can win this division. The question is then you're asking
can they hit the seven and a half. Can they
get denying there's a world where they can. There's also
a world where they win two more games the rest
of the way because this defense is just so horrific.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
All right, what are you working on? And how can
listeners read and watch all you have going on?

Speaker 8 (24:35):
Yeah, just go to Local twelve dot com slash sports.
I got the Joe Flacco story up today and kind
of the confidence they again have in Jake Browning, and
then tomorrow Alans I did this today. I was gonna
post today if the Joe Flacko news had to come out.
I redrafted the Bengals first three picks this year just
because I wanted to just see who you could go with,
and it took me in a direction where it wasn't

(24:55):
completely off base. And the three picks make a whole
lot of sense, and it makes you wonder what are
they doing in the draft room on draft nights?

Speaker 5 (25:03):
Well, I can't wait. I will read it at Local
twelve dot com.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
You're a good man. I appreciate the time. Thank you particularly.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
All right, there you go, Richard Skinner check it in
tonight with a little uh Bengals info.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
When we continue, we'll.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
Run a two minute drill with what Zach said today
and more. Then at seven oh eight tonight, I've got
a topic specifically for a Bearcat.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Football fan to react to.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
Then are Reds Question number three of the off season
coming up around seven thirty five or so. It's Arnt Well,
I can't wait for all that. It's RNL Carrier Sports
Talk presented by Kelsey Chevalete seven hundred WLW. Man we're
flying for this first of three tonight. Thanks for making

(25:48):
your way here. I hope you enjoyed. Richard Patino if
you missed it podcast, he's upright now. Also Richard Skinner
from Local twelve Talking Bengals That will be up podcast,
couple of spots seven hundred WLW dot com and through
the iHeart Radio app. We talked about Joe Flacco's uncertainty
in terms of his status for Sunday with Richard Skinner.
Let's run the two minute drill. Actually a little bit

(26:09):
less than a two minute drill. Here is Zach earlier
today answering that line of questioning about his starting quarterback.

Speaker 10 (26:17):
We'll see what we can potentially get out of him tomorrow.
So we'll just work through the week. I think right
now it's probably going a fifty to fifty on on
what will end up.

Speaker 11 (26:26):
On some day.

Speaker 10 (26:26):
Does he need I mean, you've seen, you've seen what
he's done. Came in played on a Thursday, you know,
after three days of practice. So I think if anybody,
if anybody in this league can get by with menimal
rep right now, it's it's Tim.

Speaker 7 (26:38):
If he didn't practice for that at all, if physically
he could go Sunday, you would still.

Speaker 10 (26:41):
Be Yeah, And we've got a plan in place to
see what we can do physically during the week. So
he won't be today, he won't be out there during
the open portion of things. He'll come out after that,
but we got a plan in place to see where
he's at. Aster week goes the.

Speaker 7 (26:52):
Jobs Todays joint. I'm trying to play for the week.

Speaker 10 (26:54):
Yeah, I mean, he wants to play in the game,
and so kudos to him. Man, he's been here three weeks.
He wants to play. I hate speaking for him, but
that's what he's told me. We'll have to work through
the week to see if that's that's able to do that.
It's a throwing shoulder. It's painful, but I mean, k
the guy who wants to do that, wants to get
out there and play with something like that. Credit to him.

(27:14):
So we'll go through the week and see what it
ends up and have Jake ready to go to and
and just see how it plays out. You feel like responded, Yeah,
I've been having to Jake's response, He's still working hard.
If he's in there and he gets the opportunity, I
accomfidence in Jake that Jaken win us the game. So, however,
shakes out will have a great point in place to
help those guys.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Can you elaborate kind of what you mean kind of
the whole kudos to him.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Point about Flacco just getting here and.

Speaker 10 (27:36):
Wanted to play, Yeah, I mean he's been He wasn't
hearing the off season, he wasn't invested in our training camp,
you know, and so for him to come in and
it would be easy to make a decision that there's
no way I'm playing. I've got an acy joint, we
got a bye week next week. Let's just let this
thing heil up. And that has not been the communication
he's given to me at all. Now, ultimately he may
not be able to play. We may make that decision,
but for him just to want to put it out
there for our team himself. Like he said before, he's

(27:59):
just a football player. This would he does. That's really
goes along with.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
Me, Zach Taylor earlier today. All right, let's end the
hour with this. Sammy Riggs is a singer songwriter from
dry Rage, Kentucky. Kelly and I are big fans of
Sammy Riggs. Seen her at the Southgate House among a
couple of different spots around the city. I was passed this.
I got this by email from a listener. I wish

(28:22):
I could remember his name. I'm thank him for it.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
But she does.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
In addition to the singing, songwriting and appearances around the area,
she does parody songs as well. She did a parody
song this week to Atlantis Morrisset's Ironic for the Bengals.
Take a listen to this effort.

Speaker 12 (28:46):
Pology how checktive and a drops on.

Speaker 8 (29:04):
A poor.

Speaker 12 (29:06):
And it isn't ass don't it's changing it all Dame
It's archer cries when their lasses on the barsides a

(29:27):
colony by this today was watched.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
It figures since night they have a funny, funny way.

Speaker 7 (29:46):
Of letting uster.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Letting Upsta from Sammy Riggs. I like it.

Speaker 5 (29:56):
That's one hour in the books. Hang tight, we'll turn
the corner. Seven o'clock hour. I've got a question about
Scott's Saturfield. How do I want to say that? Has
have you been swayed by Sadderfield?

Speaker 1 (30:10):
That?

Speaker 5 (30:10):
After news, It's RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevallet,
seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
The following takes place between seven pm and eight pm.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
All right, here we go, turning into the seven o'clock hour,
and thank you for making your way here. I'm Alliance Bacalister,
I am your host, Joe Whatell your producer. We thank
you for being listeners to this tonight. You've got me
until nine and it's Dan Carolyn. He'll take you nine
to midnight. Busy first hour, Richard Patino talking Xavier Musketeers,
Richard Skinner talking Cincinnati Bengals. In this hour, I'll split

(31:09):
the hour. Some Reds are our third offseason question of
the year, coming up at seven thirty five. But to
begin this hour, oh first two things. One a developing situation.
John Hayman MLB Network in New York Post reporting the
Minnesota Twins are hiring Derek Shelton as their next manager.
Derek Shelton was the manager of the Pittsburgh Pirates until

(31:30):
game number thirty eight of this season when he was fired.
They were twelve and twenty six. When they fired him,
he was into his sixth season with the Pirates, had
not had a winning season in those seasons. The Twins
name him their manager today. And if your initial reaction
is why would they do that? He was their bench
coach in Minneapolis with the Twins in twenty eighteen and

(31:53):
twenty nineteen. Obviously highly thought of within the organization. Derek
Shelton is your new manager of the Minnesota Twins.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
I'm on X.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
I would very much appreciate you following at Lance Pacallister.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
If you do, thank you. If you don't, you should.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
We've had some great conversations this week Bengals related. I
put our Reds question number three of the off season
up earlier today for discussion. We've got another topic coming
up in the eight o'clock hour. I think we can
have some fun with, so follow along. It's free at
Lance Pacallister. All right during the week on you know,

(32:30):
I've got an all Bengals show Bengals line on Monday night.
I've got a mostly Bengals show on Thursday night with
the Roundtable Show, and on Tuesday nights we carry the
Scott Saderfield Show. It's an hour wall to wall of
UC football conversation, and on Thursday nights we do a
weekly segment with Chad Brindle from Bearcat Journal talking Bearcats.

(32:52):
I'd like to do a topic on UC football tonight
and make it a caller topic. From this standpoint, U
see football and Scott Saderfield appear to be at this
moment at least a study in something that we fans

(33:13):
media aren't good at, giving time and showing patience. I
was listening to the Scott Centerfield Show on the way
home last night and Dan Horde ditty's open from the
original Montgomery in and it's always it is showtime, and

(33:35):
then he introduces the coach and there was a a
rocus ruption of cheers for the head coach of the
UC Bearcats at his Coaches show last night, And I
gotta tell you it's a far cry from the way
it was the previous two seasons. For the better part

(33:58):
of two seasons. To talk about Scott Sadderfield was about
his buyout and if you go back to what he
was hired December of twenty twenty two. I remember doing
the pole question. I remember doing the topic, and the
hiring of Scott Sadderfield at that time didn't exactly move
the needle with the fan base. Many thought that John

(34:20):
Cunningham settled, missed out on some guys. Many looked at
it as though, especially Louisville fans, they looked at it
as you see, had taken Scott's Sadderfield off their hands.
They didn't want him in Louisville. What somebody will take him.
We don't have to pay him anymore. No by fire
and no firing, no buy on.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
You guys can have him.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
Oh if I if I had a dollar for every
Louisville fan who told me at that time good luck.
And in year number one, the results didn't do anything
to really change those feelings. They went three and nine,
one in eight in the Big twelve, first year in

(35:05):
the Big twelve, and then last year started five and two.
I remember asking the question they had beaten Arizona State.
I think that was homecoming. They got the five and two,
and I remember asking, has UC turned the corner with
Scott Saderfield and lo and behold. They proceeded to not

(35:26):
win another game. They lost five straight and finished the
season five and seven overall, three and six in the
Big Twelve. I asked in a poll question on x
if fans thought Scott Saderfield was capable of turning this
football program around at the end of last season. Ninety

(35:49):
two percent said No, we don't. And as I said,
for two years, the talk has basically started with how
much would it cost to buy him out?

Speaker 2 (36:07):
How much is left on, how many.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
Years left on his contract, how much would it cost
to buy him out? I wonder if you've been swayed
or maybe how much you've been swayed by year three
of Scott's Sadderfield, perhaps now seeing the truest version of

(36:34):
what Scott's Sadderfield can do, what he can build, You know,
I ask, and I've talked about this a lot this season.
I think for all the moving parts of this season
and all the new faces through the transfer portal, for
all programs, now comings and goings, it has struck me

(36:54):
throughout this season that this group, these pieces really fit
together well. And in listening to The Scott Saderfield Show
every week on the way home hearing the players they
have on there, and it just seems like it's a
group that fits together, plays well together, enjoys being together,
and enjoys playing for him. Last week I had their

(37:16):
fine corner Matthew mcdoomon after he had returned to the
interception score record one hundred yards, and I asked him
at the time what it was like to play for
Scott Saderfield. Here's what Matthew McDoom said.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
It's amazing, and it's like you want to you want
to go through a door for him.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
You know, you would do anything for a close SATs
So you know, just having him, you know, motivate you.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
You know, having him on the side.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
You know, it's just it's great because you know he's
going to give his best, so you just you want
to give your best for him, you know, and the team.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
Matthew McDoom last week, here's what I want to do.
I want to open up the lines five one, three, seven, four, nine,
seven thousand, one eight hundred, the big one. I've heard
a lot over two years from a lot of people
about how unhappy they were with SKT Ciderfield as the
head coach of the UC bearcats. I wonder again how

(38:06):
much he has swayed you in year three. Boy, that
that old school, that that thought, that common thought of
give a coach a third year and if you look
at his track record, give a coach a third year
and you'll see a better You'll get a better sense of,
better feel, more evidence of what he can actually do
when he gets his guys in here. Keep in mind,

(38:26):
this wasn't just getting his guys in here. This was
transitioning from the American Athletic Conference to the Big Twelve.
And I don't think anybody has doubts that. Luke Fickle
looked and said, I'm getting on and getting as good
because the cupboard, while not completely bare, they're not a
ton in this cupboard. I'm out of here. Scott got that.

(38:49):
And oh, by the way, welcome to the Big twelve.
And you're number one. You're number two. Gained some traction,
and then into the ditch you're number three. They are
ranked seventeenth in the country. They've won seven in a row.
They're seven and one overall. They're one of two unbeatens

(39:11):
in the entire Big Twelve. They have thoughts and visions
of Dallas in the Big twelve Championship game dancing in
their head. The uh he's He's lipped the fuse on
a fun offense. He always had a track record of
being an offensive guy. He's lifted the fuse on an
offense that is really fun to watch. We've seen the

(39:32):
defense take steps forward. Now they're bending, don't break and
drive people crazy sometimes. He's certainly improved the special teams.
They've cut out the end of the half train wrecks
of last season, and that does seem like it happened
every week. I'm just curious for as much as I've
heard as many calls as I took on how unhappy
people were with him, Get.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Rid of him, buy him out. I'll make a donation.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
I wonder if year three has legitimately moved your needle in,
weighed you on SAT, your calls and reaction to that.
Next five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand, one,
eight hundred, the Big One. It's Arnel Carry Air Sports
Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred wlw oh.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
I like this. They're weighing in on SAT.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
On Twitter at Lance Pacallister, you see Chris saying, yes,
he has absolutely swayed me. He is no longer on
my list. You don't want to be on you see
Chris's list. I think I've been on you ce Chris's
list briefly at times over the years, for things like
the ghost Runner and other things.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
But he says, yes, he has absolutely swayed me.

Speaker 5 (40:41):
He is no longer on my list, which he had
been on since day one with the Bearcat Zach on
Twitter tweeting me at Lance Pacalister. Not just Sadderfield, but
I think the program renewed its focus on getting talent.
It is paying off big time. All right, let's go
to the Phones, season number three of SAD. Has it

(41:01):
swayed you? Has he changed your way of thinking? Let's
go to Independence. Hey Mike, welcome to sports Talk.

Speaker 7 (41:09):
Hey Las, how you doing tonight?

Speaker 4 (41:11):
I'm moyll.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
What do you got for me?

Speaker 13 (41:13):
I wasn't going to get there last night, but I
got through quick tonight, so I'm happy about that. So yeah,
I'm a big sports fan in general. And your topic
last night about investing so much, and I've been good
at investing and getting it good out of it, positive
and the negative just kind of shrug it off. You
see it the same way I mean, I was always

(41:35):
for moving into the Big twelve. It's gonna be tough,
inn Il is gonna get involved, got everything up.

Speaker 8 (41:41):
Up the car.

Speaker 7 (41:42):
So I gave him a pass.

Speaker 13 (41:44):
And I saw the improvement last year and had hope
was going to continue. The last five games was a
little bit, you know, disappointing, and there's some things that
could have done differently. But you know, listen to the
show with Dan Horde every week we sat on there.
The players, it's just awesome. The kids are great. Yeah,
he's very personal, coach, great personal, he knows what he's

(42:05):
talk about footballs on the show. Thanks for letting what everybody.
It's just she's doing a great job in my opinion.

Speaker 5 (42:12):
Yeah, he has really And I think you hit on it.
The personality, the radio show. It comes through through the
players and through him just where they are as a
football program and how it's clicking now. And I think
anybody of any reasonable mind had to view that year
one transition into a whole new conference was going to

(42:34):
be incredibly difficult, and the portal is such a big thing,
and there's so many moving parts and it's hard to
do a quick turnaround in year three.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
I mean he's looking right now.

Speaker 5 (42:44):
He is already And I wonder how many coaches in
the country you can say this of From year one
to two he improved by two wins. From year two
to three, he's already improved by two wins. That's in
overall and conference wins. That's pretty dang impressive. But he's
got four games left in the regular season.

Speaker 13 (43:00):
Yeah, and on the show too, you'll you'll hear him
talk about little things they had judged before for the
particular game, just game plan stuff.

Speaker 7 (43:07):
That he does, just minute things think.

Speaker 13 (43:10):
About ahead of time that you hope they going to do,
that kind of stuff. Just amazing to listen to their show.
If you have listen to it, listen to him every Tuesday.
It's a great show.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Absolutely, Mike good hearing from it. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
All right, all right, you know I laughed last night
he was talking about Dan asked him about one of
his comments on Thursday night Friday night speech to the
team was about getting in uh in the game on
Saturday night was getting him in a phone booth and
that you see football and the defense? What what when

(43:44):
you were in that was a team that threw the
ball a lot, that that Baylor team, and you know,
get him in a phone booth, make it difficult. You know,
nobody likes to be boxed in. And Dan Horde asked Scott,
He says, how many of your players walked out of
there wondering what a phone booth was? Scott even said, yeah,
I thought about that as well. After I got done,

(44:04):
I said, do they do the kids these a this
age today? Do they even know what a phoneoo is?
Just a classic live? But man, think I mean, there's
still four games left this season. He's gone from three
wins to five wins to seven wins. Conference He's gone
from one win to three wins to five wins. Not bad,
not bad at all. Milford we go, Hey Riley, welcome

(44:24):
to sports Talk.

Speaker 9 (44:26):
Hey Lance, how are you?

Speaker 3 (44:27):
I'm well, how about you doing well?

Speaker 9 (44:30):
Hey? So, I was a harsh critic at the start,
and I think the reason why it was harsh on
him was because coach SAT's name came out of nowhere
when they hired him.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Because me and along with.

Speaker 9 (44:40):
Other students down there at the time, we thought it
was between two individuals who actually had below five hundred records,
and when that came out, it just came out such
a surprise, and we said, where did that come from?
And then we also had to you know, buy Louisville
out of his deal and pay them, and so it
really didn't sit well with us. Well, I have to
some friends that are ul lum and I said, why

(45:03):
did you guys turn on him so quickly? And they
said they found out that he interviewed for the South
Carolina job after just one year at Louisville, and so
they all just really bailed on him at the start.
So they never really bought in, kind of like how
you see fans did, right. And I think, as you've
kind of got to know him, he's just an overall

(45:23):
great person. And I guess my only reservation is is
I'd like to see him do a little bit more
this year.

Speaker 8 (45:29):
I get this.

Speaker 9 (45:30):
I get this feeling though, that they're gonna reward him
with a contract extension, because you know a lot of coaches,
for recruitment purposes, don't like to have minimal amount of
years on their deals, right. And I just sit here
and I go, let's get through the year, let's maybe
even see how next year goes. But I find it

(45:52):
hard to believe that we don't continue to go up
because the culture he's just instilled and stilled down there
is just amazing and it's fun.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yes, yes it is. It's a I mean that the offense.

Speaker 5 (46:03):
If if someone listening hasn't watched their offense and maybe
they're rolling their eyes at us, I'm telling you, with
what Soresby does with his arms and his legs and
the tag team in the in the backfield of the
running backs, and the weapons of the wide receiver and
at the tight end position, I mean they are racking
up yardage and points. I mean they're averaging I think
they're second or third of the country and yards per
per play executed.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
It's it's a high powered offense.

Speaker 9 (46:26):
Correct correct, And you know I kind of got the impression,
and I don't know if you did, but when we
first hired him, it it kind of bothered me a
little bit because I thought we were going to be
a run heavy team and coming off of the Desmond
Ritter era, I was like, well, you know, I like
to see this gun slinging a little bit. Yeah, And
what I'm really impressed with him is that he kind

(46:46):
of lets the game take him based on.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
What he calls.

Speaker 9 (46:51):
And that's what really really impresses me. But that's all
I got. Lance. I appreciate your time.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
You got it, Thank you, And I think Saturday was
a great example of it. Brendon Seresby had a have
a typical Brendan soors Be day. They weren't doing as
much through the air, but man, they were pounded it
on the ground and rack it up yards on the.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Ground a Mount Carmel. Hey, Harry, welcome to sports Talk.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
Well I asked great program as always.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (47:14):
Hey.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
You know, you have to give a coach one than
two years of jug to be a game. You know,
you have to give him out leads three.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
I mean, look how many they've gave Zach Taylor.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Yes, you know, I think it's great. You know, hopefully
you know he'll stick around and he won't join the coaches.
And I a portal and and bogie like pick or
or Brian Kelly.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
And it's got to be an offense.

Speaker 5 (47:41):
If I'm a recruit, if I'm a high school play,
if I'm a quarterback, running back, wide receiver, tight end,
I'm looking at their offense going. Man, when those guys
move on, I I I should go there and slide
right in and I'm gonna be able to put up numbers.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
Yeah, because he really walked into a pretty player wise
pretty you know much a bad situation, but he didn't
really have any really good player. You know what happened.
But I love what happened to Brian Kelly. Brian Kelly
is the ultimate grifter. Know, yeah, I mean I'm thinking
about goes a Notre Dame, signs contract to it and

(48:14):
they fired me, walks out with a couple of mel yep.
Now he goes down the LSU has twying in his eyes.
What fifty four million dollars? Who's who in the right
mind another college program and hire him? Good question, Good,
I'm gonna let you go, man, Thank you, Hey, thank you, Harry.

(48:35):
Appreciate you checking in. That was some good UC conversation.

Speaker 5 (48:38):
Now, if we're being fair, and I know the the doubters,
the naysayers, the critics, they'd be saying, there are four
games left. You might want to slow your role, you
might want to pump your brakes. They still have to
play at Utah. That'll be a tough game. They've got
Arizona at home, They've got number ten b YU at home.
The other unbeaten there at TCU. There's no question it's

(49:01):
a heavily back end weighted schedule. So I get that
in some corners, But man, I'm going to go back
to this again and again and again. If it were
so bad, so dire, and man, this program has sunk,
then why did Brendan Soresby decide to come back? Why
did Dante Corleone decide to come back? Why did Joe

(49:23):
Royer decide to come back? How in disarray could a
program be whose three best players said, we want to
be there, We're coming back, We're going to continue building
on it.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
I think that speaks.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
Volumes about where the program is status wise under Scott's Saturdfield.
Can't wait till Saturday night, Late night Football, Saturday Night
from Salt Lake City. Hey, when we come back, I've
got question number three ready, trying to do him throughout
the off season, Question number three of the offseason for
the Reds. I will set it up and I'll seek
your answer to the question after we check news. RNL

(49:59):
Carriers Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet SEVENLW. Hey, don't
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(50:20):
we hit Hebron for the start of a five week run,
and then it's back to Wilder for the rest of
the season if I remember correctly, But tomorrow night's starting
at six. We've got two hours tomorrow six day o'clock.
I'm with Rocky. We talk Bengals with Trags Mike Petralia.
We talk You See Football with Chad Brendle. We do

(50:40):
the high school football scene, will getting good postseason with
the Greg Shoemaker of Tri State Football tonight, and Dan
Klaskins has the Fantasy Fix that plus a whole lot
of Bengals conversation each Thursday night and Tomorrow night. Officially
setting up shop at Hebron Long Necks. Please join us
time for today's Postman Law Injury Report delivered by Postman

(51:02):
Law Injured Postman delivers news of the day.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Joe Frack.

Speaker 5 (51:05):
Joe Flacco did not practice with a sprained ac joint
in his throwing shoulder, looking fifty to fifty in terms
of his status to play or not play come Sunday.
They will monitor throughout the week. Jake Browning would be
ready to go if needed. Logan Wilson did not practice
today with a calf issue. Trey Hendrickson did not practice
with the hip and no Dalton Reisner again dealing with

(51:30):
an illness. That is your Postman Law Injury report delivered
by Postman Law Injured Call eight four to four Postman.
All right, pardon me while I've been down. I dropped
my pen. We've got a thing about I can't talk
without my pen in my hand. I'm a big Uniball
pen fan. There's a particular it's the Vision Elite model

(51:55):
of the Uniball pen. It's the only one I use.
And the obsession extends to I move my hands a
lot when I'm talking. If I ever dropped my pen,
I have to stop talking and go pick it up.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
It's just a thing.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
Well, it's one of many things about me. Kelly's like
shaking her head right now. Oh, I got a list
of things for you. We have this off season done
three Reds questions, and ideally I'd like to do a
different Reds question each week. Who says no to Red's

(52:33):
Hot Stove Conversation? By the way, next week we'll start
the Red's Hot Stove League Show on Wednesday night. I
believe first one Wednesday night, six o'clock. But I've spaced
this out and the first Reds question we did of
the off season was the idea of trading Hunter Green
to get a bat.

Speaker 9 (52:52):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
We had a really good discussion about that idea, the
pros and cons, pluses and minuses we did.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Was it last week? I think it was last week?

Speaker 5 (53:01):
We did which position should Ellie play next season? Which
position is best for him and the team? In twenty
twenty six, we had a really good conversation. I've got
a third question for you tonight.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
You ready.

Speaker 5 (53:18):
Should the Reds re sign Emilio Pagan? He converted his
contracts up He's a free agent. He converted a career
high thirty two saves this past season. Thirty two out
of thirty eight saves converted tied for the second most
in the National second most in National League, tied for

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fifth most in all of baseball. Earned run average was
two eight eight. His whip, which is walks and hits
allowed per inning, was sub one, less than one per
inning hits and walks. That's really good. He threw sixty
eight and two thirds innings. He made seven the appearances,

(54:00):
a career high seventy appearances. He struck out thirty percent
of the batters he faced. Batters hit just won sixty
eight against him. Now, he's set to become a free
agent after completing his two year, sixteen million dollar contract
that he signed with the Reds before twenty twenty four.

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In The Athletic this week, Jim Bowden has projected the
salaries of the top fifty free agents. He is projecting
this number for Emilio Pagan two years, twenty two million dollars.

(54:45):
What's your reaction? He will be thirty five in May.
Would you bring him back for that kind of deal
two years, twenty two million?

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Or would you let him walk?

Speaker 5 (55:00):
Can the Reds commit that money to a pitcher that
turns thirty five in May?

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Can they?

Speaker 5 (55:07):
Can they bank on him replicating that performance in twenty
twenty six? Mark Sheldon MLB dot Com last week wrote
the Reds have yet to approach Pegan about returning. Nick
Krawl said quote, We're gonna have to make some tough
decisions on who to bring back, how to bring them back,
and how to rebuild our bullpen. A lot of moving

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parts in that bullpen. Emilio has indicated he'd love to
return in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
That's what he told Mark.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
He was viewed last year as a willing enable mentor
to the young pitchers, one of the leaders in the clubhouse.
He always spoke after games in good times, in bad times,
good performances, poor performances. So what do you think? Let
me open up the lines five, three, seven, four, nine, seven,

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eight hundred the big one question, number three of the season.
Should the Reds re sign Emilio Pagan? And let's just
work from the standpoint of Jim Bowden two years, twenty
two million. Here, I man, I've been thinking about this
a lot, and I I say this with hesitation.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
I'm inclined to say no.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
Because here's what I'm factoring in with Emilio Pagan. And
relievers are so tough, the reliever market is so volatile.
Performance is so up and down from one year to
the next, and I think it is fair to wonder, worry,
think about the following He will be thirty five. Now

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that's not ancient, but he's thirty five. His earned run
average this past season was the best it's been since
twenty nineteen. Twenty nineteen, if you remember the year before life,
his first year with the Reds, he was hurt, didn't
pitch a whole lot. His earned run average was four
and a half. Now, the year before that, in twenty

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twenty three, it was two ninety nine. But the year
before that, in twenty twenty two, it was four forty three,
and the year before that it was for eighty three,
and before that it was four fifty. So part of
me looks and says, how much of this season was
an outlier? How much of it is capable of being

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replicated in twenty twenty six in his age thirty five season.
And I'll be real honest, his workload worries me. Seventy
innings and one of the toughest things is And I'd
love to see a study done on year after impact
of heavy workloads, whatever definition you use as heavy workload.

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But that was a career high workload for Amelio pa
god Man. He pitched four days in a row. At
one point, he took the ball when ever they needed it.
But this isn't about paying him for thirty two saves,
second most in the National League. This is officially whether
you pay him for the next two years when he's

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thirty five and when he's thirty six, and this team
has to be really, really really smart in making those decisions.
On another hand, it would be fair to say, well, uh, okay,
you want to let Amelia Pegan walk, who is your
closer next year?

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Lance?

Speaker 5 (58:33):
Okay, my first thought would be Tony Santion. But I'm
gonna apply the same thing I said about Amelia Pegan.
I'm worried about Tony Santion's workload. I know he's younger,
but my goodness, Tony Santion pitched eighty appearances.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Eighty It's incredible.

Speaker 5 (58:58):
You talk about where in ten and I think you're
fooling yourself if you think, well, he's got the whole
off season to rest up, he'll be fine. I don't
know what the carryover effect ultimately is. That's why i'd
love to see a study of such such things done.
But man, I worry. I worry about Pegan's workload carryover.

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I worry about Santion's workload carryover maybe less because he's younger.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Twenty what is he twenty six? Twenty seven?

Speaker 5 (59:31):
So on one hand, I'd say I'd let Pegan walk
and I'd go with Santion, But.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
How much of a roll of the dice is it?
On santion.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
Now I guess also, ultimately, well, somebody's got a pitch
lance and you just can't pick guys who didn't pitch
last year who will be fully arrested this year. I
get that as well. What would your decision be right now?
Five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand, one, eight hundred,
the big one. I would be inclined to say no,

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two years twenty two. I mean, that's probably fair market value.
That's why Jim Bowden just didn't pull to a twenty two,
you know, out of a hat. That's pretty much what
the market's going to dictate. Can the Bengals play in
the Bengals? Can the Reds play in that market to
pay a closer two years twenty two million. Let's get

(01:00:27):
into a little bit more next. Arnel Carrier Sports Talk
presented by Kelsey Chevallet seven hundred WLW. You know, I
was looking during the break at a website spot rack.
I believe that's how it's pronounced spootrc dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Spot rack.

Speaker 5 (01:00:44):
It includes the salaries of every professional athlete, and I
just looked up relief pitchers specifically. The highest paid reliever
in baseball last year was Edwin Diaz. Made twenty million
on average. If you were to pay Amelia with Pegan
eleven million a year based on the average salaries of
relievers in the game, that would put him tied for

(01:01:05):
the looks like the sixth highest paid reliever in the
game is Emilio Pagan uh tied for the sixth best
reliever in all of baseball? Can the Reds afford to
devote that type of money to a closer? And should
they do it for someone who will be thirty five
next season? I'd argue that this is one of the
other than the bat.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
The bat? How will they get the bat this offseason?

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
This might be their second most difficult decision or project
to decide this offseason what to do with Emilio Pagan
as a free agent. Let's go to the phones in
Deer Park and then Columbus. How about Sean on seven
hundred WLW Hey Sean.

Speaker 7 (01:01:45):
Sw we doing, buddy good?

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
What do we do with this question number three?

Speaker 7 (01:01:49):
Well, first, I'm want to say, Eric of Oh Mojo,
your favorite buddy?

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Am I Mojo rising?

Speaker 7 (01:01:58):
My boy? My boy named after Jim Morrison lyric?

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (01:02:03):
Yes, all right, so pa gone, All right, I'll preface
it with this because I missed the Hunter Green question.

Speaker 7 (01:02:15):
I think Hunter Green has to go. And I don't.

Speaker 14 (01:02:20):
Think you signed to gone if he was twenty eight,
sign him, yeah, but at that age.

Speaker 7 (01:02:29):
No, This year might have been lightning in a bottle.
I think it's gone.

Speaker 14 (01:02:35):
But my biggest frustration as a Reds fan, who I've
turned forty eight in December, when Great American Ballpark was built,
like we're going to hit home runs, right, ye? So
that has that's our home field advantage. The most frustrating

(01:02:59):
thing from me as a Reds fan.

Speaker 7 (01:03:02):
Is that we don't hit home runs.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
I mean you remember Jim Bowden was like salivating when
it was being built on.

Speaker 13 (01:03:10):
M.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Junior. And Adam Dudd in Grant American ball Park.

Speaker 7 (01:03:15):
Yes, so a gone. You know he didn't.

Speaker 14 (01:03:21):
He had a great year, but he's not. He also
isn't that flamethrower. I want to see guys like Rob
Dibble and crafty pitchers like Randy Myers, and I think
we have enough starting pitching in the pipeline and Rhet
Lauer who wasn't here this year, and Chase Burns that
splashing Let Hunter go get a bat. We've got guys

(01:03:47):
who can young, maybe starting pitchers. Maybe maybe Burns is
a is a bullpeny guy, and Ellie needs.

Speaker 7 (01:03:55):
To be in right field. Then what he do with
my period left field? Then I'm sorry, you're right left field.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Yes, I'm not.

Speaker 14 (01:04:08):
Putting you take center field from Friedel okay, because he's excellent.

Speaker 7 (01:04:15):
And he was our best hitter this year.

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
Let me struggled in the second half, but had had
career numbers in a lot of categories, no question.

Speaker 7 (01:04:23):
But a dynamic hitter right conbun hits for a little
power of spark plug.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
I've got all these recorded, Stay tuned. My fourth question
will be coming next week, and I anticipate and hope
for your continued contributions.

Speaker 7 (01:04:42):
All Right, Lars, peace and lost.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
All right, peace and love to you as well.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
Let's go to Mojoe Rising, my guys, love that band,
Columbus Charlie.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
What to do with Emilio Pagan.

Speaker 11 (01:04:53):
Illing, Hey, welcome to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
What do you got for me?

Speaker 7 (01:04:58):
Thank you?

Speaker 11 (01:04:59):
So, I I think one thing that's pizzol for the
Reds is they don't have a good veteran presence, and
I think Amelio Pegan brought that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Last year with Tradanio.

Speaker 7 (01:05:07):
Yes, but I think it's kind of a no.

Speaker 11 (01:05:09):
Brainer to bring him back, especially like you said earlier,
with the younger arms and bringing them up to the majors.
And one thing is, you know, good bullpen guys especially
you know, you think Cincinnati, right at least the past decade,
we haven't really had many good arms stick around or
you know, stay relevant and good, you know, for many years.
But I think that Gon might be the exception, just

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because of the leadership he brings to the team.

Speaker 8 (01:05:32):
And I disagree with the last call.

Speaker 11 (01:05:33):
I think he brings out of a lot of intensity
and he doesn't app they're ninety nine every time because
you know, the league's adapting players can hit that. You know,
if he can locate, that's all that really matters. He
only had twenty two walks last year. Yes, so I
mean it's in sixty eight innings.

Speaker 7 (01:05:47):
It's not bad.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
That's a great point.

Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
And for someone who may not be a flame thrower,
he still struck out thirty percent of the batters he faced,
so he knows how to get people out exactly.

Speaker 11 (01:05:57):
And then you got to think about where he's pitching too,
you know, great Americans. So I mean, the faster you throw,
you know, the farther it goes. So I think even
even with his age, and you know, we have a
low payroll, and you think about you know, Martinez will
probably be gone, so who's going to be that veteran
leader in the clubhouse for the pitchers? And Brady Singer

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is probably the only guy you know with more major
league experience than Hunter Green on that staff. And you know,
he doesn't seem like a vocal guy at least in
the media. And like you said earlier, Pegan, you know
every day, you know, still talking to reporters after loss
and everything else. I think that's somebody you have to
bring back if and he has playoff experience, and I
think that's a and I you know, I know they
just went to the playoffs, but you know, you need

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someone who can call those player only meetings, you know,
like the Bengals had this week that you know, Zach
tyers sing, the Bengals won't have a lead on defense.
I think Pagan is a good leader for the pitching
staff along with you know, you think Brent Souter And
then you know the other leader for the you know,
the hit batters, I think is Josee Travinian. So I
think you got to keep those veterans around, and I
don't know if there would be a better option for

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them out there still get Or who's someone, as you know,
familiar with the clubhouse. So I think it'd be a
no brainer to bring him back.

Speaker 5 (01:07:07):
Charlie, I'm so glad you called for the first time.
I really enjoyed this. Thank you for the input. Let's
do it again sometime, all right, that was good, Thank
thank you. And he is clearly that's a great point.
He's the most veteran pitcher on the staff.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:07:21):
Nick Martinez probably leaves, Scott Barlow and Brent Souter have
the team has options, a team option, they can pick
it up or decline it. On Burlow and Suitor, you'd
have Tony Santion coming back, Graham Ashcraft coming back, Younger
options like Connor Phillips who really excited late but had
his moments, Zach Maxwell, who knows what he can fully

(01:07:42):
develop into. Luis may same thing, Lion Richardson a little
bit further along than those two. But man, there's just
so there's so many questions, and I can I can
make a pretty good case on each side and feel
pretty good about my argument. Ultimately, what a decision this
organization is gonna have to make after the World Series.
I think it's what the day after the World Series ends,

(01:08:04):
that's when free agency begins or players become free agents officially.
So next week Emilio Pegan would hit the free agent market.
Hang right where you are. I've got a really cool topic,
fun topic I'll explain next. Arnel Carrier Sports Talk presented
by Kelsey Chevelte, seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
The following takes place between eight pm and nine pm.

Speaker 5 (01:08:46):
Let's keep rolling. Third hour of three Man Time Flives.
When you're having fun, I've had fun. I hope you've
had fun. We've been busy tonight. If you missed the
first hour. Tonight, we talked with Richard Patino, first year
coach at the Xavier Musketeers, in advance of Monday nights.
He's an opener against Maris Merist, Merist, home of the
of Rick Smith's, the dunking Dutchman, the former Indiana pacer,

(01:09:07):
one of my favorite Indiana pacers. Rick Smith's just popped
into my head. I'm confirming. I'm pretty sure he went
to Marist. He did, Yes, Okay, I am right, Yeah,
Rick SMI's had a heck of a career with the Pacers.
But what was my original point? Oh and we talked
with Richard Skinner of Local twelve about the Bengals. If

(01:09:28):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:10:09):
Second hour we talk you see football and whether or
not you have been swayed by sat Year three of
Scott Saderfield. First two years, a lot of conversation about
the buyout. Let's get rid of this guy. He's improved
by two wins each season. Two wins overall, two wins
in the conference overall seven and one right now winners

(01:10:30):
of seven straight ahead for a showdown Saturday night. We
also talked about question number three of the Reds off season.
I think it's a really juicy question. Emilio Pagan becomes
a free agent next week? Would you re sign him?
And at the Jim Bowden projection of two years twenty
two million, what.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Does that do for you? Is that doable?

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
He'll be thirty five lot of where and tear was
last year an outlier who fills in if he's not?
There so many questions surrounding that one. Very much enjoyed
that conversation now in this hour. I've been sitting on
this for a while, trying to figure out when to
do it and kind of working the background to it

(01:11:13):
to present it as a topic. I thought about an
off the beaten path topic with it, but it's as
much as I enjoy the topic, it's not as I
don't want to say it's not fun, but I was
looking for something more fun. By the way, Friday Night,
I can't tell you the last time. I think the
last Friday Night Halloween was twenty fourteen. Don't hold me

(01:11:33):
to that, and I don't believe I worked on that night.
So I've never done a Friday Night of Halloween off
the Beaten Path topic. Now, you know, the off the
Beaten Path topic is anything that's fun. It can be TV, movie, sports, music, food,
life list, you name it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
I'm wondering if there.

Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
Is a Halloween themed you see, Chris, you listening to this,
wonder if there's a Halloween themed off the Beaten Path
top for Friday Night. We don't have to do a
Halloween theme, but I gotta think if there's a good
one we could do, let me know. Email me Lance
at lancemacallister dot com if you think of one. But
my original point was, I think this is a fun topic.

(01:12:15):
I don't think it's Friday night off the Beaten Path
topic fun, if that makes any sense. And this originally
came in the form of Cincinnati Magazine and Jason Cohen
wrote about this like six weeks ago in their Greatest
Cincinnati Athletes of All Time list, and he put together
a list of short timers Cincinnati athletes that were short

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timers here here's what I mean, athletes that weren't here long,
that made their mark while they were here, or made
their mark before getting here, or made their mark after
leaving here? Who just popped into your head.

Speaker 8 (01:13:00):
Like?

Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
His list included Sandy Kofax. Sandy Kofax played freshman basketball
at UC and then he joined ed Juckers' other squad,
the baseball team, and he struck out fifty one batters
in thirty two innings during one season before signing with
the Brooklyn Dodgers. Sandy Kofax a short timer here here
for a brief time, then.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Made his mark after leaving here.

Speaker 5 (01:13:25):
Mark Messier made his list the Hall of Fame Hockey Legend.
Eighteen year old center played one season with the Cincinnati
Stingers of the wh after the Indianapolis Racers folded. He
played for the Stingers. After a year with the Racers,

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and Messi eventually joined former Racers teammate Wayne Gretzky in
Edmonton and won five Stanley Cups, and then he led
the Rangers to one in nineteen ninety four and won
a Stanley Cup. But Wayne or Mark Mesmer was here
for one year. Blue Jays take a one nothing lead,
bottom one off of Blake Snell home run.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Who was that that hit? The home run?

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
That was.

Speaker 8 (01:14:16):
That?

Speaker 5 (01:14:17):
Was the catcher. I'm blanking on his name, but the
Blue Jays lead one nothing. Back to my original point,
Cincinnati short timers. Mark Messier was here one year, went
out of greatness. Now I would give you a couple
of guys that came to my mind in putting together
this list, and then I'll open up the lines and

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take your calls. To put together the list. I would
include Wait a minute, that's another one. Schneider homerd and
now Vladimir Guerrero Junior has homerd back to back, two
nothing Blue Jays. Holy cow. Right back to my point
on my list. Cincinnati short timers. Billy Bates. Billy Bates

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might be the all time classic Cincinnati short timer. He
came here in the trade during the ninety season from Milwaukee.
He appeared in eight regular season games with the Reds.
We talked about this last week. That's why I thought
about this topic again. He appeared in eight games. He
had five at bats for the Reds in the regular season,
never got a hit. Then in the World Series Game two,

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he got the infield chopper against Dennis Eckersley that started
the inning that won it on Joe Oliver's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
That ball is fair down the left field line.

Speaker 5 (01:15:29):
He is a classic quintessential Cincinnati short timer Billy Bates.
Jake Elliott would be a short timer. The former Bengals
draft pick the kicker fifth round pick. They cut him
in camp, Remember they didn't they they cut Randy Bullock
in twenty seventeen. Or cut Jake Elliott in twenty seventeen

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in camp after making him a fifth round pick so
they could keep Randy Bullock right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Jake then went on to hook up with the Eagles.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
He's won two Super Bowls and he's been to a
Pro Bowl, and he's one of the more accurate kickers
in the NFL. A Cincinnati short timer here for not
too long and then left his mark. After leaving, I'll
give you one more, one more then I'm gonna open

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up the lines. Lance Stevenson wasn't it Born Ready? What
is his nickname?

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Boron Ready? I believe I don't think I'm making that up.

Speaker 5 (01:16:36):
Lancet Stevenson came here is one of the most highly
recruited players in program history.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Mick brought him in.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
He played in the nine twenty ten season in the
Big East and then went on in and averaged like
twelve points and five rebounds and three assists, and then
declared for the NBA Draft after one season, second round
fortieth pick to the Pacers and went on to have
a heck of a career in the NBA. Went on

(01:17:05):
to annoy Lebron James during his NBA career. I think
I think Lance Stevenson spent ten years in the NBA
and wound up with the career average at nine points
a game. It's about a decade in the league. Those
would be the ones that popped into my head, Billy Bates,
Jake Elliott, and Lance Stevenson, who has now popped into

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your head a cincident? Now, short timer is I guess
there's a loose interpretation. I consider a short time or
somebody just not more than a couple of years. Maybe
maybe a year, maybe two, But I don't think any
more than two would would keep you considered a short timer.
But I'm looking for somebody, be it Red's Bengals, UCS Xavier.

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You know somebody who was here for a short amount
of time and had made a mark before they got here.
So maybe it was towards the end of their career
when they arrived here, or maybe was early in their
career here and then after a short time, left and
made their mark someplace else. Let me open up the

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lines five one, three, seven, four nine, seven thousand, one,
eight hundred, the Big One. I loved this column or
story by Jason Cohen in Cincinnati Magazine. I'm trying to
think who else he included on on his list, but
I know he had Sandy Kofax, I know he had
Mark Messier. I've been working on my list. I've been
working on this list for about six weeks, just holding

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it for a spot to use it once baseball season
ended and we had some nights where we had some
full shows to work with, and I'm dropping it tonight.
Your names of the short Timers. Next, It's r NOL
Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. Seven hundred WLW

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eight seven hundred WLWR Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet.
Topic tonight, the list short timers, Cincinnati athletes that were
here for a brief time. They made their mark before
they got here, or maybe they made their mark while
they were here, or maybe they made a mark after
they left. The short timers. My guy Will Grimmer listening
loves the topic. He's probably in between hitting golf balls

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or teaching at the Love fifty nine, He says, how
about t o the year that could have been with
Curson and Chad and to Terrell Owens one year twenty ten,
aged thirty seven, seventy two catches, nine hundred and eighty
three yards, nine touchdowns Bengals went four and twelve. You
know what he did before? You know what he was

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doing when he wasn't doing push ups or sit ups
in the driveway too. Goes on our list of Cincinnati
short timers. Let me go to Western Hills. Rick, who
do we put on the list?

Speaker 6 (01:19:49):
Okay, this is gonna be a little backward to your question,
but Trevor Bauer.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Trevor Bauer absolutely short timer?

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
Made uh short timer?

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
Yeah, Mark made his mark way not necessarily positive.

Speaker 5 (01:20:02):
Yeah, absolutely, and certainly made a mark here winning the
Cy Young and and came over in that big deadline trade.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
That's ohoh, I'm putting Trevor Bauer on the list.

Speaker 8 (01:20:12):
Yes, only Cy Young winner in Red's history.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
I believe you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Are absolutely correct. He is fidelist. You're the man.

Speaker 5 (01:20:20):
Thanks, Rick, good night, All right, good start, I'll go.
I'll see your Trevor Bauer. I'll add, you shouldn't suit Chew?
Were they involved in that three way? I think the
red scent Drew Stubbs is part of that trade and
got Chew who For my money, the Reds have not
had a better leadoff hitter since he's the best leadoff hitter.
I can't say since Pete. There's got to be somebody

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from Pete to Chew. But my point would be shouldn't
suit Cho was really good In his one season in
twenty thirteen. He had a four to twenty three on
base percentage. Can you imagine a Red's hitter today with
a four to twenty three on base percentage? What it
would mean? He hit twenty one homers, thirty four doubles,
stole twenty bases, reached base by being hit by a
pitch twenty six times, scored one hundred and seven runs,

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and walked one hundred and twelve times. I'll repeat my statement,
can you imagine what a Reds leadoff hitter in this
day and age would mean to this offense? With one
hundred and twelve walks, twenty one homers, twenty steals, and
one hundred and seven runs scored with a four to
twenty three on bas holy cow Fairfield.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
We go, Hey, Johnny, what do.

Speaker 8 (01:21:24):
You got Hey?

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
Am I able to give you two?

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Sure? Go right ahead?

Speaker 8 (01:21:30):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Perfect.

Speaker 8 (01:21:31):
So the first one is David Wells.

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
David Wells, Ah, what an impact he had when he
came from the Baltimore Orioles in nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 8 (01:21:41):
Yeah, and three years later he had the perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Game, Yes he did.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
The second one could be debatable, but Greg Vaughn I
always enjoyed watching him play.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
No doubt about that.

Speaker 8 (01:21:51):
For one year.

Speaker 5 (01:21:52):
Yeah, I mean really good come when he was on
his way here, made his presence felt in one big
time season for the ninety nine Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
All right, thanks buddy, thank.

Speaker 8 (01:22:03):
You, Yo.

Speaker 5 (01:22:03):
That's a good Greg Vaughan's a really good one. Came
over in the trade for Damian Jackson and Reggie Sanders,
I believe was part of that trade. Hit forty nine
home runs in the ninety nine season, and then left
in free agency. David Wells came over from the Orioles
at the in the stretch run of ninety five. That

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was a trade I will always remember this. The Reds
traded a minor league reliever named bj Ryan, who went
on to be really good. In fact, I will argue
for bj Ryan being on this list a little bit
later on because I wrote him down here somewhere, I
just can't find it. And they traded another picture was
a low level young picture named Hokebo Sequoia. Hokabo Sequoia,

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look him up, was in that trade. I don't know why.
Me and Stephen Sharp always remember that name. And I
don't know why. David Wells went six and five for
the Reds the rest of that season. In ninety five,
he left, I believe free agency after that, pitched nine
more years, won one hundred and sixty games after leaving

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the Reds, and, as the caller noted, had a perfect
game and made three All Star teams after he left.
Back to the phones, Cincinnati, Mark, give me a short timer.

Speaker 8 (01:23:25):
Hey, I think the guy's name was Trevor Hoffman.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
He was a closer. Yes, I don't know how long
he was here, but he went on I think to
be pretty good closer.

Speaker 5 (01:23:34):
In fact, he was with the organization for the Reds
as a shortstop. Initially, they converted him to a pitcher
in the minor leagues and they traded him from there. No,
I take that back. He was selected in the expansion
draft by the Florida or Miami Marlins at the time,
and the Reds lost him.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
How about that?

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
Okay, yep, I just I followed him, and I know
he did well.

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
After Hall of Fame when it was all said and done.
That's a good one. Hey, thanks for the call. Yep,
all right, thank you. Eleventh round pick of the Reds
in nineteen eighty nine, eleventh round pick shortstop converted a
pitcher and taken claimed picked off by the Marlins in
the expansion draft. Later, of course, wound up with the

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Padres saved like six hundred and one games in his
Hall of Fame career. Dayton we go, Hey, Zach, give
me a short timer.

Speaker 4 (01:24:27):
This one hurts me every time I think about it,
and I ask myself what could have been?

Speaker 7 (01:24:32):
And that is Josh Hamilton.

Speaker 5 (01:24:34):
Oh you talk about a short time or an impact?
Oh my goodness, oh, ninety games for the Reds and
and people fell in love. We fell in love with
him here what what a what a long winding path
and story to get here, and then once he left here,

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had major success, had major life problems, but he was
a short timer, a big time impact.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
No doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I'm putting him on the list.
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:25:09):
All right, That's what I'm talking about, had been, had been.
Let's see, the Reds got him in the Rule five draft.
If I remember correctly, he'd been out of baseball for
three years because of the drug problems. Remember that the
Reds had to they had an accountability coach follow him around.
Oh that rubbed some people wrong. They basically had to

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get a babysitter. It wasn't It wasn't Jerry Narron. It
was Jerry Naron's brother. What was Jerry Aaron's brother, the
baseball guy? Was it Johnny Narren? His brother? The Reds
hired his brother to be his accountability coach and travel
with him and make sure he stayed out of trouble,
because I mean, he'd been out of baseball on a
drug suspension, major issues. And then he hit nineteen home

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runs for the Reds in ninety games, got a standing
ovation Opening Day that year when he hit a sacrifice fly.
I'll never forget that. And then the Reds were afraid
that one. There was some resentment of how he was
babysat and handled, and and the Reds thought man we are.
We're almost playing with fire here. This guy, there's going

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to be trouble at some point. Let's if we can
flip him. Let's flip him. And they flipped him to
the Rangers and got Edison Volcaez and got to Daniel
Ray Herrera. If I remember correctly, volca has made the
All Star Team the next year, and Hamilton went on
to it, won the Triple Crown, was a five time

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All Star, won Home Run Derby. Kelly and I sat
and watched Home Run Derby and Myrtle Beach at Margeritaville,
and then he ran into trouble, signed a major contract
with the Angels, major trouble, and and just off field,
family trouble and just a big giant mess. But absolutely

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a Cincinnati short timer. You talking about a story and
a life for that guy. He was just inducted into
the I believe the Rangers Ring of Honor this past
season or their Hall of Fame this past season. All right,
I got so many names running through my head. Let
me grab Oh, we'll grab Fran and Jim and Jamie
and Paul and Doug and Andy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Ahead, let's check news so we can get to it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:17):
RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chervallet seven hundred wlw.

Speaker 15 (01:27:24):
OH.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Dan Horde has delivered by text.

Speaker 5 (01:27:29):
He was either listening or following along on X to
our topic and has offered a suggestion the topic. And
I give Jason Cohen full credit from Cincinnati Magazine. He
wrote about his list of Cincinnati short timers about six
weeks ago in Cincinnati Magazine and at Cincinnati athletes that
weren't here for very long, that made their mark while
they were here, or maybe made it before they got here,

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and maybe made their mark after they left here. We've
had some fun with that. Dan gives me a good one,
you ready. Odell Thurman, Holy cow. Odell Thurman, second round
pick of the Reds in two thousand and five out
of Georgia. In fact, was at the same draft with
David Pollock if I remember correctly. Odell Thurman, in one season,

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you talk about a nose for the football. In one season,
he had linebacker five interceptions, one return for a touchdown.
He had nine passes defended, he had four fumbles forced,
he had a fumble recovered, and he had one and
a half sacks. And he just hit the daylights out

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of people. I mean that dude was one of the
hardest hitters in Bengals franchise history. He also is very
undisciplined and ran into problems. I never played again after
the two thousand and five season, violation of league substance
abuse policy, the next year in twenty twenty or in
two thousand and six, and the following year in two
thousand and seven, never to be heard from again. He

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finished third in defensive Rookie of the Year honors in
his rookie season with the Bengals. Was never heard from again.
But you talk about an impact in that one year. Oh,
Dan Hord scores with Odell Thurman as a Cincinnati short timer.
Let's head to Loveland where it was wonderful to see
Fran and his lovely wife Phyllis at the Miracle Ball

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on Friday night. Let's welcome in, my guy, Fran.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
How are you doing well?

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
Lance?

Speaker 7 (01:29:23):
And congratulations to you again. That was a wonderful night thing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Thank you really wadiful, Thank you, thank you beautiful.

Speaker 16 (01:29:30):
I got a couple names here, a couple of Red's names. Yes,
how about Paul kernerko?

Speaker 5 (01:29:34):
Oh, yes, he was here, he was here.

Speaker 16 (01:29:38):
I don't know a month maybe in the late nineties.
He goes on to the White Sox and.

Speaker 5 (01:29:45):
He got eighty one plate appearances. That's it, eighty one,
and then they flipped him to get Mike Cameron after
the season was over, and.

Speaker 16 (01:29:55):
He goes on to the White Fox and I think
the guy probably has about four hundred and fifty career hole.

Speaker 5 (01:30:00):
Run and over fourteen one hundred runs driven in and
over four hundred doubles.

Speaker 16 (01:30:06):
Okay, well, before we missed and now I'm going to
go back in time with you here on one. Yes,
Kurt Flood came up with a Cincinnati Read in the
late nineteen fifties. Yeah, he played in just a few
handful of games, and he got traded because there was
another young centerfielder.

Speaker 7 (01:30:25):
Named Veda Penson that was coming up and.

Speaker 8 (01:30:27):
The Red thought that Kurt Flood was expendable.

Speaker 9 (01:30:30):
He goes on to the Saint Louis Cardinals, and of
course you know he's just.

Speaker 16 (01:30:34):
Yeah, outstanding ballplayer, Hall of Famer Kurt Flood rule.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
He's really had an impact.

Speaker 7 (01:30:39):
On baseball, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Ran I just pulled it up.

Speaker 5 (01:30:42):
In fact, Kurt Floods played as a red in at
age eighteen and age nineteen for a total of eight
games total, and then they traded it. Yeah, and what
a career he had after that, and an impact on
the game. As you said, absolutely all right, I love it.
That great topic. Have a good night until Phillis, I said, hey, yeah,

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this is a good time. I don't know, maybe I
should have used this on Friday night. I'll tell you what,
if I don't come up with a Friday off the
beaten Path topic, I'm gonna be really upset that I
burned this one tonight because I gotta save to till Friday.
We'd have a good time. Kurt Flood eight games with
the Reds and then went on to have a thirteen
year major league career with the Cardinals, where he hit
two ninety three and then impacted the game as much

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as anybody in the history of the game, with the
challenging the reserve clause and free agency and everything that
came with it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
I was good, h see, do I have another one?
Or do I want to Uh, let's see, let.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
Me just go to the phones.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Did I have one? Wait, let me give you one.

Speaker 5 (01:31:39):
The Odell Thurman was, Oh, if Dan Horde is still listening,
I have a TV show for you. Now, I'm gonna
have to text him. He's probably home by now. Netflix.
Black Rabbit with Jude Law and Jason Bateman. I would
watch anything with Jason Bateman. Jude Law is a restaurant
owner in New York. His brother is Jason Bateman. Jason
Bateman has a gambling and it's been described as The

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Bear meets Uncut Gems. Now I've never seen Uncut Gems,
but I know what it's about. There's kind of a
restaurant lifestyle running a restaurant like the Bear. There's gambling
problems and getting in too deep in over your head.
There's some mob stuff going on. Dan Horde. If you
were listening Black Rabbit, Netflix or anybody else who likes

(01:32:23):
TV shows, wait a minute to oh, this is like
real time texting. Dan Hordes is still listening. I'm carrying
on cover Will Grimmer and Dan Horder texted me while
the show is going on, and I'm reading their text
in real time. So Black Rabbit. Now, Now I preface
this by saying we've only watched one episode, but it

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was a really good first episode. Because, for the record,
Dan Horde recommended to show to me that was really
good for like one episode, and then from there sadly
it went downhill. I think it was que something or other.
Don't even look it up because it's not worth looking
at or watching unless you just like one episodes and
then giving up on shows. Uh, Len we go, Hey Paul,

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what do you got?

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
Hey?

Speaker 9 (01:33:08):
Lance?

Speaker 17 (01:33:09):
So I've got a couple and they're neither one of
them is actually an athlete, but they're both related to sports.

Speaker 4 (01:33:14):
Oh okay, So.

Speaker 17 (01:33:15):
My first one is Tommy Tubberville. Obviously he made a
bit of a name for himself before he came here. Yes,
and then he got him got himself in a little
a little bit of trouble.

Speaker 4 (01:33:26):
Yes, before he left here.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Yes, yes he did, Yes, he did.

Speaker 4 (01:33:30):
All right, there's one here in Cincinnati.

Speaker 9 (01:33:33):
Uh. My other one is and I don't know how
long he was around.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
But Paul Keels.

Speaker 17 (01:33:40):
Paul was a broadcaster for the I know he called
some bear Cats and I think Bengals games. Yeah, I
don't know, a couple of years maybe, yeah, Oh.

Speaker 5 (01:33:50):
Yes, certainly considered a short time or did did what
did did Bengals preseason games for longer? But regular season
games of some teams here?

Speaker 9 (01:33:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Absolutely?

Speaker 17 (01:34:00):
Yeah, I'm just you know, all right, you talk about
Dan Horde, and I thought, well, how about the guy
who I.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
Liked the originality? Thank you for the contributions.

Speaker 17 (01:34:09):
All right, man, thanks for the show.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
Have a good night. I'll give you another one. Dontrell Willis.

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
Dontrell Willis was like the happiest guy, smiling guy in
all of baseball. His rookie of the year with the Marlins,
won twenty two games, was an All Star, and then
they reached a point in his career where he just
he couldn't throw strikes and it became like a mental block.
And then he was dealing with anxiety issues and he
got released and he'd been in I think he'd been

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in Detroit, and he got released and he wound up
with the Reds in the twenty eleven season where the
Reds were taking anybody who could walk, talk to gum
and throw bitches at that point, and he went one
in six for the Reds with a five earned run average,
trying to resurrect his career and it never really happened.
But Dontrell Willis would be a Cincinnati athlete who was
a short timer, no question. How about Fairfield, Andy, Welcome

(01:34:59):
to sports doll.

Speaker 15 (01:35:01):
Hey, Lance, how are you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
I'm good? What do you got Well?

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
I was gonna call about Dion Sanders, who was a
four time short timer, but as I was unfold, I
found the true best. Yes, a pitcher three seventy three
and one eighty eight career original Hall of Famer career,
earned a run two thirteen, twenty five hundred and two strikeouts.

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Finished his career in nineteen sixteen with the Reds.

Speaker 3 (01:35:31):
Christy Matthewson.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Yeah, baby, that is a good one.

Speaker 5 (01:35:35):
At the age of thirty five with the Reds one
game and was a player manager in that that one game.
What a career in a short timer.

Speaker 15 (01:35:46):
Finished his managerial career with the Reds in nineteen eighteen
before a certain thing happened the following year, and then
one another series in twenty one. I'm reading all this
off Google. If I'm talking to yourself, that's my short timers.

Speaker 5 (01:36:01):
Chrissy, that is fantastic. I appreciate the background, and thanks
for calling.

Speaker 15 (01:36:06):
Yeah, I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (01:36:07):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Let me give you a I'll give you another one.

Speaker 5 (01:36:08):
I'll give you another one because I'm kind of excited
about this one. This is the shortest of short timers,
Vita Blue now for old school Reds, Big Red machineer
or Reds you'll you'll understand, Vita Blue was traded to
the Reds. Never officially pitched for the Reds, never officially

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went to camp with the Reds. Was traded in the
off season and with the seventy seven offseason and a
transaction with the A's and the commissioner Buoie Kune blocked
the deal the Reds. His photo appeared in the Reds
Media Guy. He was long enough. He was there long
enough in the offseason to have an insert in the
media guide to Vita Blue, and the commissioner ruled it

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would not be.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
It was.

Speaker 5 (01:36:54):
It was Dave Revering in like a million dollars. Reverend
was a Red's first base prospect at Triple A who
was never going to play for the Reds because he
was stuck behind Tony present d Andresen or Tony had
been traded at that point. But long story short, it
was a one sided Charlie Finley trade of trying to
sell players, basically, and the commissioner said that will disrupt
the competitive balance of baseball, basically said the Reds are

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already good. This would make them too good. I am
blocking this trade. And Vita Blue never actually pitched for
the Reds, the truest of the true short timers in
Cincinnati sports. And Vita Blue had a hell of a
career before and even had a nice career after he

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went on to the Giants. And I did he win
the cy Young with the Giants? In Vita Blue win
the cy Young and in both leagues? Or did he
just win it with the A's. I should know this
before I pull it up. I'm pulling up his stats
and was really good with he did not? He came close.
He finished third in the cy Young with the Giants,
but had won it with the A's and wound up
winning two hundred and nine games. So there you go.

(01:37:58):
More ahead, Uh? I think we can do one more
segment of this. Yes, I can get it in and
then we'll hand things off to Dan Carroll. Are in
a Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevelet, seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Star and have got one on this date for you.

Speaker 5 (01:38:15):
One on this date, nineteen sixty one, the Big o
Oscar Robertson blaming for the Cincinnati Royals against the Syracuse
Nationals Dishes at a franchise record twenty two assist in
a one thirty nine to one thirty two win. The
Big O for the game triple double twenty six points,

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twenty two assist, eleven rebounds. He goes on to average
a triple double for the season, becoming the first player
to average double figures and assist for that season. He
averaged thirty point eight points, twelve and a half rebounds,
and eleven point four assist The Big O on this date,
nineteen sixty one. All right, let's round it out. I

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got a couple of name on the list that I
need to get to. You've got some that you need
to get to. We head to morrow. Jamie, you were
on seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 7 (01:39:09):
Hey, Lance, thanks for having me on. I'm really excited
to be on here.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
Thank you.

Speaker 7 (01:39:13):
So I had Ryan.

Speaker 18 (01:39:15):
Fitzpatrick first because I love him and I think his
career exploded when he left Cincinnati, and he's great. But
then someone had mentioned Trevor Bauer and I thought Yasiel Plague.
He was still exciting here. Oh he loves he loves Cincinnati.

Speaker 5 (01:39:32):
Yes, Oh, I will never forget when that trade happened.
They brought him into town to introduce him at the
press conference on a day it was like four degrees
outside and there was like blizzard like conditions.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
They took him around the city.

Speaker 5 (01:39:45):
They even brought him into the station that night for
the Red's Hot Stove League Show. This city went nuts
for Yasiel Puigue. He played one hundred games here and
then he got traded. Yeah, right, and he got traded
in the middle of that brawl with the Pirates when
they were fighting and it he was being traded in
all chaos.

Speaker 7 (01:40:03):
Great picture, great picture forever.

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
But now I loved watching him.

Speaker 5 (01:40:07):
He's exciting. Yes, that's a good one. That's a really
good one. Hey, I'm glad you called. Thanks Okay, thank
you ya. See hopewig one hundred games is read twenty
two homers and the brawl. Oh man, how about Dave
who gets the final caller word tonight? Dave, give me
a name of a Cincinnati short timer.

Speaker 3 (01:40:28):
How about Frank Viola.

Speaker 5 (01:40:30):
Frank Viola, there's a blast from the past. Certainly had
an impact before he got here, and then didn't have
much of an impact what he.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
Was here exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:40:41):
Frank Viola, who won I think we won to a
cy young and had done major things with the Minnesota Twins,
and the Reds got him in the ninety five season
and he pitched a grand total of three games that season. Yes,
I am that officially qualifies as a short timer. Thanks
for calling. All right, that was a good one. Let

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me give you what I have to round out the show.
Here are the other names that I came up with.
And again props to Jason Cohen of Cincinnati Magazine who
initially wrote this was part of their series I'm gonna
say six weeks ago, and I'm gonna use more from
it because it was such a great series of the
greatest athletes in CINCINNTI sports history, and they did some
sub stories and topics inside of all that, and one

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was short timers athletes with short stints in the Queen City.
And Jason loved the story, and I hope you don't
mind me using it to turn into a topic as well.
I would add Mike Cameron. The Reds acquired Mike Cameron
from the White Sox for Paul Konerko. Cameron spent one
year here in the ninety nine season, twenty homers thirty

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eight steals, and then turned around at the end of
that season and the Reds traded him to the Mariners
as part of the King Griffy Junior trade. So Paul
Konerko had come from the dot had come from the
Dodgers for Jeff Shaw, and then Paul Konerko. After the
playing with the Reds for the final month and a
half of the season, getting eighty one played appearances, hitting

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two nineteen, was then flipped in the offseason for Mike Cameron.
Cameron played one season with the Reds and then he
was flipped for King Griffey Junior.

Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
In that deal.

Speaker 5 (01:42:20):
Jim Edmonds short timer twenty ten thirteen games. I want
to say Jim Edmonds injured himself rounding second base on
a home run trot, and I don't was that the
last time he played in the majors. He hurt his quad,
I think, And I don't remember if he played again
after that, But certainly Jim Edmonds prior to that Gold

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Glove guy almost four hundred home runs over twelve hundred
RBIs he fits our list. Josh Harrison twenty thirteen came
to the Bengals, had been a Steeler eighty sacks, did
very little here, had great stories about acupuncture, and then
went back to the Steelers and played four more years.
Kevin Gosman, Joe want Ellen and I were talking about

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this during the break. He pitches for the Toronto Blue
Jays in twenty nineteen. The Atlanta Braves had I want
to say, they released Kevin Gosman or placed him on waivers,
and Dick Williams either claimed him or signed him after.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
He cleared waivers.

Speaker 5 (01:43:22):
I think he may have even claimed him and inherited
the final amount of money on the contract to try
to resurrect him. And he made fifteen appearances with the
Reds and at the end of the year he became
a free agent and he left and since then two
All Star teams and got Cy Young votes three different seasons,
pitching for the Giants and the Toronto Blue Jays. Kevin

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Gosman Garrison Hirst a Bengal nineteen ninety six, had done
things with Arizona, got hurt, came here, rushed for almost
nine hundred yards in one seas, left and went to
the Niners and rushed for a total of like eight

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thousand yards in his career. Who else I'm going to
run out of time on these?

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
Did I do?

Speaker 5 (01:44:16):
Jeff Montgomery Jeff Montgomery in nineteen eighty seven pitched fourteen
games for the Reds, had an earned run average of
six and a half, and they traded him to the
Royals to get Van Snyder. Jeff Montgomery went on to
appear and save three hundred and four games, was a
three time All Star, including forty five saves in nineteen

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eighty three. Van Snyder did nothing as a Red I
think that's all I.

Speaker 3 (01:44:49):
Have time for.

Speaker 5 (01:44:51):
I can't tell you how much I enjoyed this topic.
I can't tell you how excited I am I finally
used it tonight. I can't tell you how stressed I
am about finding it off the beaten pat a topic
Friday night. Email me if you have one Halloween theme
or not. I tell you one thing I am considering
is things that's simply things that scare you in the
Halloween theme of whether it's heights or scenes from movies

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that scared you, something like that. That'd be the obvious
layup based on the events, but it doesn't have to
be that. I will work on it. Thanks Joe Wall
for producing. Thanks to you for taking a listen. This
has been our nail Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey
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