11-4-25 R+L Sports Talk with Lance McAlister

Lance discusses the trade deadline and the future of the Bengals, along with eulogizing his former co-worker and friend, Bob Trumpy.

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
The following takes place between six pm and seven pm.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
You want answers. I think I'm.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Entitled you one answer.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
You can't handle the truth, the truth.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
Truth.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hey, Hey, here we go, six eight seven hundred WLW
Welcome in RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet.
I'm Lance McAllister. I'm pleased to have you here. You
know what we have tonight, three full hours, just like
we like it. Man, do we have things that get
to today? Let's start with the headline so we can go.
Trade Deadline Day in the NFL proved moderately active for

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the Bengals. They did make a trade. They traded linebacker
Logan Wilson to the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for a
seventh round pick, originally a third round pick of the Bengals.
In twenty he played in seventy six regular season games
with sixty five starts, also seven postseason starts. He'd requested
a trade in recent weeks. He's tied for the NFL
lead in interceptions by linebackers since twenty twenty, with eleven

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and a half. He ranks third in Bengals history among
linebackers with interceptions. James Rapine reacts at six twenty deadline shockers.
The seven and two Colts get Sauce Gardner from the
Jets in exchange for two first round picks. The former
Bearcats All American hooks up with lou Anarumo, now in Indy.

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Then the Jets traded three time Pro Bowl defensive tackle
Quinn Williams to the Cowboys for a first round pick
next year and a second round pick in twenty twenty
six and a first round pick in twenty twenty seven.
The Jets now have five first round picks in the
next two drafts. College football, you see linebacker Jake Golday

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named the semi finalists for the Buckus Award, given to
the top linebacker in college football. The Bearcats are off
this week, so no Scott Saderfield Show tonight. First college
football playoff rankings are released tonight at eight o'clock. It's
maction tonight. In a Battle of the Bricks, the Miami
RedHawks and Ohio Bobcats hookup from Athens. College Basketball UK

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opens versus Nichols tonight seven o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty
Top ranked Perdue the Boilermakers hosting Evansville. The Musketeers beat
Merrist last night. Talk about it tonight on The Richard
Patino Show at seven on fifty five KERR. See you
see women open the season tonight at home against Lehigh

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action minutes away on fifty five KRC Soccer, I've seen
Cincinnati went back to work preparing for Game three, the
decider of their first round playoff series against Columbus Crew
on Saturday. Baseball. The Red's Hot Stove League Show returns
tomorrow night, six o'clock right here on seven hundred WLW
will follow with Sports Talk seven to nine. I'll have

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to come up with Red's offseason question number four for
us to discuss Tomorrow night. The Reds kick off free
agency by pouncing on a free agent right hander, Keegan
Thompson one year major league contract. The thirty year old
spent the entire twenty twenty five season with Triple A

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IOWA in the Cubs organization, posting a four point fifty
earned run average over sixty four innings between the pen
and rotation. He made one hundred and four appearances twenty
three as a starter in parts of four major league
seasons with the Cups and injury news for the Padres Veterans.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Starter.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
You darbish underwent successful UCL that's owner collateral ligament repair surgery.
He will miss the twenty twenty six season. Those are
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Doc at tonight looks as follows James Peen. At six
point twenty, we'll talk about the Logan Wilson trade. You

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and me. We will do that. After six thirty we'll
get into things that Zach said yesterday I found fascinating.
Long about seven point thirty tonight, I want to talk
about and remember Bob Trumpy and take your calls on that.
So we've got a lot to get to. Let's get
to it. This is RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by

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Kelsey Chevrolet on seven hundred WLW all right, let me
let's sort through what has transpired today for the Bengals
and around the NFL. Who better to do that with

(05:07):
than my leadoff guest tonight, he covers the Bengals his
publisher of Bengals Talk dot com. You got to listen
to the CINCINNTI Bengals Talk and locked on Bengals podcast. Man,
has he been busy today? Let's welcome in James Orpeene.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
How are you now?

Speaker 5 (05:22):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I'm well, I'm curious. I'll ask the question everybody's wondering
and everybody's discussing today, the trade of Logan Wilson. Your
reaction to Logan to the Cowboys for a seventh round
draft pick.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
I think given the position that they put themselves in,
which is benching their captain in favor of her rookie
and looking at his contract, I think this makes sense.
You wanted to get that contract off the books. You
free up roughly five point two million dollars in cap
space if you combined this year and next year and

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what they'll save, and so it stinks, but it beats
the alternative of you keep Logan around until February. You
cut it. You have a bigger cap hit. You don't
have any cap savings, you don't have any seventh round pick,
and he's still signing elsewhere. So did they handle everything
right leading up to it, from the benching and everything

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involved there that really hurt his trade value. No, By
getting something and getting someone to take on that contract,
I think it was worth it.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Here's what I And you bring up a point that
I've never understood in all of this when when they
initially did this with Logan, it to me it just
it screamed rebuild and we're moving on, and yet they
were still in it, and yet by doing it, they
exposed themselves to the inexperience and the problems that came
with it. It just it seemed like mixed messaging or goals.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
You can totally agree, And I've asked Zach a few
times about the plan because he's like, yeah, we got
to play the young guys, and I get it. At
like a left guard. You drafted Dylan Fairchild to play
left guard and start right away. You knew that on
draft day. Demetrius Knight, even if you disagreed with the
pick at the time, you drafted him to do that

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to play linebacker, for you. You took him in the second round.
You knew he was going to start from day one
to replace Jermaine Prep. Fine, but Logan wasn't so bad
that you had to bench. And in turn, when you
did that, you're right. You open yourselves up to a
lot of mistakes when you're still very much in it,
when you had just traded for Joe Flacco. Barrett Carter's

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first start was Joe Flacco's first start at Lambo, and
you have just traded for Joe Flackle. You're trying to
stay in it. And the other element here is it
completely tanks any value Logan Wilson might have had. So
there are a lot of people that look at this
and say, you couldn't get a fifth for Logan Wilson
or a sixth for Logan Wilson. Well, maybe you could
have if he had another thirty tackles and when he's

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on the field and maybe had an interception or two,
and they made the move then, And I do think
it's a questionable move that as of now, has it
made them better. Maybe it will, but benching Logan Wilson
has not made them better on defense, And the past
four games are pretty obvious where the defense has had

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every opportunity, even at Lamba at third and eight, to
get the ball back to Joe Flacko in the Bengals
kit to win that game. An opportunity to put the
Steelers away, didn't do it. Multiple opportunities to put the
Jets away, opportunity to put the Bears away. This defense
hasn't done it. And you do wonder, man, if Logan
was out there, would he have made a play, just
that one play that could have put one of those

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games away.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Are you surprised Trey Hendrickson is still here.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
I'm not surprised. I'm I'm disappointed, but there's there's so
many layers to this. I'm disappointed because I'm afraid that
we're going to go down the same path that they
went down this past year, which is trade just kind of.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
In the wind.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
They can franchise tag him and his agent left him
open for the franchise tag, and I think that's very
much in play. I know he dismissed that a few
months ago, but I do. I think that's very much
in play. Once upon a time, Lance I told t Higgins, like,
watch out for that tag again. They're going to tag
you next year. This This wasn't during an interview. This
is just me and him chatting. He was like, oh

(09:25):
say that. I was like, I'm telling you. And guess
what they did. Now? They ended up keeping Tea because
Joe Brow moved mountains behind the scenes to do so.
But you get my point here is this this tray thing.
Now it's just continuing to dangle and it is a
distraction and it is an issue, and it impacts Trey
and it messes with him, and I get it. You

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need playmakers. Fine, well, if you need playmakers, then pay him.
And if you don't want to pay him, then trade him.
And instead it's this weird in between where they're three
and six. But Trade's gonna come back and he's gonna
help them some and they're gonna be in this a
middle ground. But I don't think any team should want
to be in, and I think that's where they're going
to be.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
They had a number of other expiring contracts, be it
Cam Taylor Bridge, Genostone long list, Joseph's side, long list
of brothers. Should they have done more today beyond Logan
Wilson and not doing something with Trey? Yeah, you know
me of.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Course they should have. I mean, of course they do
you think Let me ask you this, do you think
that the Bengals and maybe no one wanted to trade
for Genostone, but do you think they're worth a Genostone
just isn't on the roster outside of depth? No, I
mean I don't and I'm not trying to be mean
the Geno, but he should have tackled Coastal Love on
the other day. Yeah, Jordan Battle should have tackled Coastal

(10:40):
Love on the other day. I just some of these guys.
Josepho's side, You've had so many opportunities to be a
consistent layer for this team and it hasn't happened. You
couldn't get a pick spot for Josepho's side that Joseph
try On Srion could deal with the Bears where the
the Browns send Joe try On to the Bear like

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of course you could have. And so those are the
type of deals that I think that I would have
been open to. I wanted them to be open to
because I'm not sure it makes you worse. It hurts
your depth a little bit, but I'm not sure it
makes you worse, and it gives you, more resources, more
tools for the future. So yeah, Cam Taylor Britt would
have been one like Cam, but would have been open

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to dealing him Joseph Osai for sure, in plenty of
these other guys on expiring contracts or just guys that
don't seem like they're going to be part of the
long term plan.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Did you anticipate yesterday when you guys spoke with Zach,
did you anticipate any change to the coaching staff?

Speaker 3 (11:50):
I did not so much so, and this is not
a shameless plug. I just want to make it clear
of how much I, with out talking to anyone, without
asking anyone, knew they weren't going to make a move.
I had recorded my podcast before Zach talked before Locker
Room and said they're not going to make a move.
We won't have to come back and record one, and

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talked about the coaching staff why they shouldn't. I don't
really blame them for not making a move coaching staff wise.
And here's why, I asked Al Golden, and this is
after I recorded the lockdow Bals podcast too. I asked
Al Golden, Hey, is there any teaching point for Jordan
Battle in that situation against Colston Loveland, like, now, just

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get hunder the ground and so at some point and
I did it. The defense has been so bad and
it looks so bad. But I refuse to believe that
this coach that people eight months ago, nine months ago,
ten months ago were saying was the best defensive coordinator
in the country at Notre Dame just forgot how to coach.

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And the other proof I have is lou Anarumo goes
to the Cols and he clearly didn't forget how to coach,
So like fool me once it's all on MoU Well,
clearly it wasn't it Fine, But I'm still okay with
the change because I think they got a good coach
and now Golden it doesn't look good now and they're
so bad. Fine, but that does firing Al Golden today

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make them better? Like they're all on the hot seat.
We know that they're three and six, like they should
all be on the hot seat, Zactus on the hot seat.
They're all on the hot seat. So making the move now,
I'm not sure that matters, but they better be better,
you know. And it's it's a shame because I I'm
just shocked at how bad it's gotten like this is.
This is comically bad. I've covered some bad teams, like

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I mean, when we were working together daily. Think about
some of those twenty seventeen twenty eighteen Bengals Marvin and
of Marvin era defenses. They were bad, yep, but it
wasn't like this. This is is the worst I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Got about a minute. You've in covering all those teams,
been in that locker room for high points and low points.
Describe the vibe Sunday after the game in that locker room.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Oh yeah, I mean starting to starting to come to
the realization of what they are. And it's maddening. I
think it's maddening you because you see one side and
you know it's this offensive line that I think has
done a pretty darn good job in the Joe Flacco era.

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And obviously you have the skill guys that are just unbelievable.
I mean, Jamar and he have been just insane, and
Andre steps up, and Chase Brown's making plays and I
know he had a few drops, but all these guys
are making place for Joe Flacco. The offensive line is
playing well, and the defense just can't make a play.
Of course, a turnover can't get off the field. Third
and ten, Caleb Williams just rolls out and runs for

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fourteen yards against the That's the hidden play in all
of this. They had him at third down yep, And
I don't think anyone in the building was confident they
were getting a stop, and so I think that's it.
And I don't know how they fix it on defense,
I really don't. I've I just kind of expected to

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come back to the mean a little bit, but it's
just been so bad that I would be throwing a
bunch of stuff at the wall. And that's why I
would have been open to trading some of those guys.
I really would have. And maybe they were right. I
don't think so. I just know their history and how
they operate. I don't think they were pushing cam Taylor
Bride or pushing a bj Hill trade or push to

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get his contract off the books, or you know, open
to trading Jordan.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
Battle.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Just didn't feel like that. But they probably should have,
just to switch it up a little bit. You never
know what a little new life could bring you. We've
seen that with Joe Flacco. So yeah, I think reality
has set in a bit on this team, for sure.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
You have been cranking out the content, not just today
but day after day. What do you have up now,
what will be coming and how can listeners partake in
all of it.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
I just posted a lock on Bengals podcast. We've relive
on Cincinnati Bengals Talk on YouTube for an hour. Plenty
of stuff there. I'm looking at Bengals Talk dot com
and there are a bunch of articles reacting to the
Logan Wilson deale reacting to their lack of trades with
Trey hendrickson the cap space that they saved for Logan Wilson.
The actual pick that the Cowboys are sending isn't the Cowboys?

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That details there. There's so much at Bengals Talk dot
com as well.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Busy day. I appreciate your carbon out of time.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Thank you, absolutely thanks.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
There you go, James Rapine got it covered on the
Bengals front. We'll take a time out, get a check
on news, get into Logan Wilson and more. Arnel Carrier
Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevalet seven hundred WLW man.
That's scene in Louisville. Absolutely horrific. Thoughts and prayers to

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all involved and around the area. Daughter lives three miles
from the airport and sent me the shelter in place
that she got about an hour ago for everybody within
five miles and just absolutely I can't even I mean,
the flames and the smoke and the scope of it

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is unbelievable. Man, college basketball got underway last night. I've
never understood why they don't make a bigger deal out
of opening night in college basketball, just like it starts
and then it just continues on, and it seems like
it should be like a and on Monday Night. I mean,
if you did it tonight, you wouldn't have Monday night

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football as part of the spotlight. And it just seems
like there should be like an opening day and Opening
night of college basketball extravaganza around the country and big
billing and stuff like that, and it never happened. Everybody
won around here. Everybody won around like the Tri State,
with the exception of unfortunately the Ohio Bobcats. I think

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UC beat West in Carolina ninety four sixty three. The
freshman Sean Abayev and Mustapha Chom and Boba Miller had
eighteen apiece. Xavier beat Maris last night. Malik must Sina
more let him with. I think they had four and
double figures. He had sixteen points and he tossed him
three boards and two assists in a steal. Miami beat
Odu and a God. That was the mac Sun Belt

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Conference Challenge. The opener eighty seven seventy two. The Pride
of Cuvcat Evan Ipsarrow had sixteen. For the Blackhawks or RedHawks,
I'm sorry. NKU beat you see Claremont one twenty six
to sixty nine. The North scored sixty three in the
first half and they scored sixty three in the second half.

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Cale Robinson had twenty two. That twenty six point total
tied their school record. They are at Tennessee on Saturday.
We are going to Knoxville this weekend for the bye
and I had no idea in our planning. It just
didn't hit me to think of the look at the
road schedule and find out that the Norse were on
the road. I'm gonna go to the game. Dayton beat

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Canisius last night by forty eleventh. Frank Louisville and Pat
Kelsey beat South Carolina State one oh four forty five.
South Carolina State coach by the former Bearcat, Eric Martin.
Ohio State outslugged IU Indy one eighteen to one oh
two sixty six point first half for the Buckeyes. Right

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State beat Franklin eighty six thirty seven. Chris Mack and
Charleston beat Tusculum, Mick and UCLA one. The Bobcats of
Ohio University lost to Arkansas State. You know what I
really like about Richard Patino, and not just because he
was on the show last week. I enjoyed the conversation
with you, but he does his own social media, and

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he tweeted his thoughts on the game last night. In
a grade four, he tweeted this afternoon thoughts on last
night one student section A plus two. The defense C
plus terrific in the first half, took our foot off
the gas in the second turned them over three. The
offense D minus screening was poor, shot selection was below average,

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did a great job getting to the free throw line
and four rebounding C minus minus two in the glass
not good enough. Got a fight. I like that, does
his own social media and does the report card after
the games. All right, So the Bengals trade Logan Wilson
today to the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for a seventh
round pick, Zach Taylor saying, and I quote, I appreciate
everything Logan has done as a player and as a

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person during his time in Cincinnati. He has been a
central part of our defense for over the past six years,
and he will be remembered as a leader in our
locker room. I wish him the best moving forward. End
quote from Zach Taylor. I find it fascinating, if not unacceptable,
that Zach Taylor is the one who has to issue

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the quotes when they trade a player. Look around the
league today the number of different general managers who held
news conferences and issued quotes about the trades they made.
And Zach Taylor is the one who has to make
the quotes available for the media. I find that I do.
I find that fascinating. Joe Goodbarry locked on Bengals on
the Brain. So many different platforms locked on Bengals with

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James Rapeen. Joe Goodberry does Bengals on the Brain, and
he tweeted the following. This was earlier this morning, before
the trade. I think he tweeted like everyone in the
Bengals twenty twenty five defense, Logan Wilson was struggling. He
seemed a step slower, had to deal with blockers more often,
and missed a handful of tackles, but he was still

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their best linebacker and had some very good games in
twenty twenty five. He was dominant in Week one and
showed signs of life in a reduced role the last
few weeks. If he looks better in a new setting,
I wouldn't be shocked. Joe Goodberry earlier today, you know,
speaking of that Week one I went back this morning

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and I listened to the conversation we had with Logan
on Bengals line. Here is Logan Wilson when he joined
us talking about the Week one win over the Browns,
and I asked him about that young linebacker group. Take
a listen to what he told me. How does it
feel to be a part of a unit that steps
up on a day where the offense isn't working at

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its highest optimum level, but the defense makes plays and
seals a game.

Speaker 7 (22:26):
Yeah, I mean it felt really good. There was a
lot of doubters and stuff throughout the whole offseason. We
knew we were capable of. We were very intrinsically motivated.
We didn't really care about all the external factors that
were going on outside the building, and we believed in
one another, believe in the coaching staff, and since Al's
gotten here, like that's just kind of been our mantra
is a stack a day, brick by brick, And we
went out and did a lot of good things yesterday

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and found a way to come away with a win.
And honestly, that's the most important thing is finding ways
to win, especially week one. It's never going to be
very clean or as perfect as you want to be.
That's the nature of week one because no one has
played a full game. Even if you've played in the preseason,
you haven't played an entire game, and some of those
factors come into count.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
You're the widely veteran of that linebacker group. Now, Demitrius Knights,
the rookie played fifty eight snaps yesterday. What was it
like playing with him? Communication? How do things go?

Speaker 7 (23:14):
Kid plays with his hair on fire, He's super twitchy,
and it's just good to have a guy like that
playing next year. He's just going to find a way
to make plays. He's always he's running to the ball.
That's the one thing I told him. I said, dude,
you're gonna make mistakes today, I've said, but the one
thing you can control is your efforts.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
I just fly around and make plays, and he definitely
did that.

Speaker 7 (23:30):
And he's going to continue to grow the more reps
he gets and continue to be a really good player
for US.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Logan Wilson back in Week one on Bengals line I
was looking at Pro Football Focus this morning linebacker grades.
Out of eighty two linebackers in the NFL who qualify
with enough snaps overall grade at the linebacker position, Logan
Wilson ranks fifty eighth out of eighty two, Barrett Carter
eightieth out of eighty two, and Dimitrius Knight Junior eighty

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two of eighty two. In terms of run defense grade
out of eighty six qualified linebackers, Logan was sixty third
against the run, Barrett eighty second against the run, Demetrius
eighty sixth against the run. In terms of pass coverage
out of seventy five qualifying linebackers, Logan ranked fifty second

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out of seventy five, Dimitrius Knight Junior fifty fourth, and
Barrett Carter sixty first. So it's the young guys show.
It's theirs to do with it what they can in
the remaining eight games of the season. It's been that
way since they demoted Logan Wilson. Zach talked yesterday about

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the opportunities in clearing the way for young guys to
find their voice or how that is established. Listen to
what Zach said yesterday.

Speaker 6 (24:54):
I'm not afraid for young guys to step up.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
You know.

Speaker 8 (24:56):
It doesn't have to be a veteran, doesn't have to
be a three, four, five, six, seven year veteran. It
can be young that's done things the right way and
is accountable and the guys respond to and it doesn't
have to be perfect. But I think those young linebackers
have leadership qualities, and guys see the way they work
and how much it means to them, and so if
they were to speak, I think that guys who will
listen to them, you know, And I think there's a

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lot of guys that fit that that. I remember Sam
Huver going through this as young player, kind of afraid
to speak because there were other veterans in the room
that kind of had that position and always pushing him
to take guys respect the way you work. Eventually that
clicked for him, and he took over that ownership and
was a tremendous leadership for us. There's similar positions I
feel right now where we're pushing guys. Don't be afraid,
don't be afraid to step on toes. That's we just

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want to win games and we want everyone to be
accountable and if you got leadership qualities, step up and
say something. Sometimes there's quiet leadership too, guys just doing
what they do and doing it the right way. And
guys respond to that as well, so that when they
do speak every so often, then it really resonates with
other guys.

Speaker 6 (25:52):
And we got some of that as well.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Zach Taylor yesterday, Still Ahead, Zach was asked twice about
how the front off is feels about where things are
right now. What he said, when we continue RNL Carrier
Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WLW, Let's

(26:14):
keep rolling. Hey, I'm on X at Lance Pacallister. I'm
honored if you follow thank you. If you don't, I'd
be honored if you joined us. You could contribute to
the show during the show, be a part of the conversation,
even added the conversation outside the show. I'm always twenty
four to seven on x Atlance MacAllister joined us in
the fun. This is not fun. I'm looking at Jay

(26:36):
Morrison from Bengals Talk dot com and he has a
list through Sunday through last night of the NFL missed
tackle leaders around the league. This is according to sports Radar,
which tracks such things. Number one in most mistackles, Jordan
Battle of the Bengals fifteen, number two in most misstackles.

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Dimitris Knight Junior Bengals fourteen for third, Geno Stone Cincinnati
Bengals thirteen and tied for ninth. Barrett Carter Bengals with ten.
Bengals have four in the top nine in terms of
mistackles through week nine of the NFL season. My head hurts. Yesterday,

(27:24):
Zach met with the media traditional Monday gathering and was
asked a couple of different times about the front office.
And this aspect has always amused and confused me. I
want you to take a listen, Zach answering the first

(27:45):
question about the front office. Here it is.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Zach, what's been Duke's assessment of just what's going on
defensively and what may be able to improve after the
Bobbo I'm.

Speaker 8 (27:57):
To speak for anybody. I mean for us, we got
to execute better. Obviously, we got to get everybody on
the same page and execute the fundamentals and the details
of what we're.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
Trying to do.

Speaker 8 (28:05):
And I think everyone's in favor of that, and everyone
wants to do that. We just we haven't done a
great job of that, especially over the last couple weeks,
and so we're all accountable for that. That's what we'll
spend our why week doing as coaches, trying to find
a way to get everybody to play on the same
page all the time. We've got a lot of young
players that are out there at the same time, and
so getting those guys the experience they need together is

(28:26):
only going to make us better in the future. And
so again we're just working through all that. Guys are
all accountable for it. Everybody wants to play winning defense,
winning football, winning team, football, winning offense, all that stuff.

Speaker 6 (28:36):
So that's what we'll continue to try to.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Do, Zach Taylor. Yesterday, he was asked again during that
news conference about conversations with the front office and the
de facto general manager, Duke Tobin. Listen to what he said.

Speaker 6 (28:49):
I know you're not going to give us exactly what
conversations have been like.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
But when it comes to Duke Toe and our ownership,
and they've said are they confident in the defensive.

Speaker 8 (28:58):
Side, I should not speak for any We have great staff,
great great conversations. Everyone's on the same page that we
just want to win and we want to look good
when we're winning. Yeah, and there's nobody that lacks accountability
in any area. We're all just trying to do everything
we can to get better. But I'm certainly not gonna speak.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
For anybody accountability. Remember that word. It'll come into play
in our next segment after the news. But can you
imagine going through a season like this, a season of
major disappointment, a step back for the franchise, and only
offering up your head coach to talk about it, serving
up Zach Taylor to answer, an attempt to explain and
defend and carry water for the organization. You know, the

(29:36):
word accountability was uttered by Zach seven times yesterday, seven
times I counted. Has a word ever been thrown around
more by an organization and applied less than in the
Bengals organization. Accountability only applies to the players. It never
goes up the chain. It only trickles down the chain.

(29:58):
You know, fans faced a a number of fans faced
a season ticket opt out deadline last week. There's been
a lot of soul searching going on by a lot
of fans asked to make decisions and not provided answers
about a plan, only hearing from the head coach. Jason

(30:20):
Williams of The Inquirer wrote, I think it was Monday.
Someone in the front office needs to answer for this immediately.
It starts with hearing from Duke Tobin, who's the architect
of the roster. It's all that matters right now. As
angry as anger and apathy builds in a fan base
that has led to that has led to believe the
days of the Bengals being a national punchline ended with

(30:43):
the Super Bowl run four seasons ago, and Jason wrote,
I requested an interview with Tobin last Wednesday. Others in
the local media have too. The Bengals are considering making
their player personnel director available to questions this week. The
club typically does not make Tobin or anyone in the
front office available for interviews during the season, but Jason

(31:06):
concluded things have haven't been this bad for the club
in several years, and fans need to hear from Tobin.
The strong locker room culture that Taylor has built his fracturing.
The Bengals have a playoff caliber offense on one hand,
but on the other they have the worst defense in
the NFL by far. Let's hope, he writes, Tobin provides
answers for the fans. It's the bye week, no better

(31:29):
time to hear from the roster architect. Surely Tobin and
ownership are disgusted and embarrassed. The fans demand accountability from
the organization asap. I just watched during the break the
press conference, the media session that Eagles GM Howie Roseman
held with the media this afternoon, and he explained why

(31:51):
they did what they did today, and he talked about
their vision and their philosophy and their goals. And I
saw that in an expert in a quote offered up
by Chris Ballard, the Colts general manager today.

Speaker 9 (32:04):
It just.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Again, maybe fascinating is the wrong word, maybe it's infuriating.
I just find it fascinating that Zach has to answer
for everything that happens in this organization. He's just the coach.
Arnel Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven WLW.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
The following takes place between seven pm and eight pm.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
All right, let's keep rolling already, our number two unfolding
a total of three. I'm glad you were here. Thank you.
A little bit later on say bottom they are. Let's
talk a little Bob Trump, remember the Bengal legend and
the broadcasting legend, and share some stories. You're gonna hear
some stories he told me over the years that coming
up at seven point thirty. I very much look forward

(33:18):
to your input on that. In fact, after an hour
of talking to Bengals and James R. Peene and you
heard from James and from me, and from Zach Taylor
and from Logan Wilson, I would love to hear from
you now on the trade deadline and where things are
at this moment in your mind. At five one, three, seven, four, nine,
seven thousand and one, eight hundred, the Big One jump
into this. Let's talk some Bengals. To kick off this hour,

(33:41):
I mentioned the number of gms around the NFL today
who made trades who publicly then commented on those trades.
Chris Ballard, general manager of the Colts. They swing the
big deal, they bring in Sauce Gardner, Handing to lou Anroumo,
Chris Ballard, the general manager of the Colts, said quote,
having the opportunity to acquire a talented player like Sauce
Gardner was one we did not want to pass on.

(34:03):
He was a player that we scouted heavily coming out
of college and there's a reason he was the fourth
overall pick. Sauce is a proven cornerback. His skill and
competitive nature will elevate everyone's play on the defensive unit.
We are thrilled he is a cult The general manager
of the Colts, Chris Ballard, explaining to his fans today
what they are doing, why they are doing it, and

(34:25):
what their plans are now. Interesting and of note, I
am not a frequent viewer of the Pro Football Talk
Live show. That is Mike Florio and Chris Simms. Listen
to what Mike Florio dropped about the Bengals organization and
Duke Tobin. Here it is.

Speaker 10 (34:45):
Jobs are on the line, you said earlier, They're constantly
evaluating everyone. Players who will be back or not be back,
Coaches who will be back or not be back. There's
this bubbling up now, the Duke Tobin, the de facto
GM is going to be out. We'll see maybe during
the bye week, be sooner. But heads are going to
roll in Cincinnati. This is unacceptable because it's largely unprecedented.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
How bad this defense is. I believe that when I
see it, I don't. I wouldn't trust Mike Florio. Further,
I could throw him. I'd almost be in a position
to say if Duke Tobin were to be out this week,
if that were to happen, I would ride a tricycle
around Fountain Square and address And I've already done that
once in my life. So I'm not daring that to happen.

(35:26):
I just I don't believe that's the case. I don't
believe heads are going to roll. I don't believe it's
unacceptable until shown otherwise. Zach was asked yesterday about potential
changes to the coaching staff. Take a listen to what
Bengals head coach Zach Taylor said.

Speaker 6 (35:45):
Did you consider any staff changes over the past four hours? No?

Speaker 3 (35:49):
What gives you the.

Speaker 6 (35:50):
Belief that these these are good football coaches.

Speaker 8 (35:52):
They've been successful everywhere they've been and so again we're
still in the first half of the season. We all
know we got to play better as a football team.
There's been challenges or offenses faced of course the season,
we worked through them. We're playing better for it. There's
challenges are defense they're facing right now. I'm confident that
we're going to work through it. We're gonna play better
football and find a way to WINSPI games.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Can you clarify you don't plan to make any stuff
change on the defensive side of the ball.

Speaker 6 (36:15):
No. I believe in these guys absolutely, Zach Taylor.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yesterday at his weekly Monday gathering with the media, he
was asked by I think our guy Trags joins this
Thursday night, six twenty on the Roundtable Show with Rocky
this week at the Hebrew Location where that will be
the second of a five week run at the Hebrew location.
Stop buying hang out with us on Thursday night from
six to eight o'clock. But I believe it was Trags.

(36:40):
You'll hear the question who asked what Zach would say
to two outsiders, two fans who wonder why change isn't coming.
Here's Zach.

Speaker 11 (36:52):
From the outside, Sach, A lot of people wonder why
losing five of six the way the last two games
have ended, Why don't you and changes? Is their status
quo acceptable? And that people wonder on the outside, why
do you feel that you do have the solutions in
the building and not make any change? Why is that?

Speaker 8 (37:11):
Because I've been through this situation before. We've been through
this situation many years and come out the other side
playing for championships when in divisions, by sticking with what
we believe in and not doing what everybody wants you
to do. By sticking with it, I'm thankful that in
twenty twenty they didn't kick me out of here, so
we really go to the super Bowl the next year,
and so again, I believe in the people that we've hired.

(37:34):
I sit in there, I watch these guys coach. I
know what they're made of. I know where we can
continue to grow. And so when you believe in people,
you don't just make a gut reaction from what people
want to see that aren't necessarily a part of it.

Speaker 6 (37:46):
I understand the frustration. I get it.

Speaker 8 (37:47):
I'd be frustrated to if I was outside the building.
We're going to get it fixed, We're going to continue
to work it. I trust every coach we got in
this building to get it done or else they wouldn't
be here, we wouldn't hire them in the first place.
And so again I got firm belief that we can
get this done, and we can do the players we
have and find a way to get some wins. And
again we just there's some things we got to clean up,
we got to do better. There's a coaching side of
that too, where we got to find ways to push
the right buttons for these guys to get them exactly

(38:09):
to do it how we want to do it.

Speaker 6 (38:11):
But I trust that we can get that done.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Zach Taylor yesterday in meeting with the media, let me
give you one more from Zach, and he was asked
if and I think this was memory serves. I think
this may have been trags again if this group of
young players, specifically more specifically defensive young players, if they

(38:40):
have a grasp of this situation where this season is
right now, and an appreciation for the state of this
team right now. Here's what Zach said, Do you think.

Speaker 11 (38:56):
The young players feel the way the significance of the
season slumping away?

Speaker 8 (39:01):
And we came, Well, we've talked about it, We've talked
about this. This can't be a last season for us.
This has got to be We've got to come out
as by rejuvenated and find a way to win.

Speaker 6 (39:09):
And winning one game.

Speaker 8 (39:11):
Certainly propels you, and you've got to build some momentum
off of that. We had a chance after the Pittsburgh
game and kind of waste the two opportunities there, and
how much different things could have been if we had
finished these two games out. We'd still have issues we
have to address, but we'd be in a better position.
And so we just got to find a way to
kickstart that and build our own momentimum there. So we
got players young and old that are accountable. They all
want to do well. They're all again I say this

(39:33):
a lot, they're all made of the right stuff. We
have a good locker room. I know yesterday this is frustrating,
emotional after a game like that, that's not to be unexpected.
But we'll just continue to get back to work and
keep grinding.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Zach Taylor yesterday. This from Todd Archer of ESPO, who
covers the Dallas Cowboys logan Wilson's new team. Todd used
to work here as well in the city. I was
the inquirer or the post. I can't remember. It's been
so long Todd Archer tweeting the following Bengals coach Zach
Taylor informed Logan Wilson to the trade this morning. He

(40:04):
went to the team facility immediately Logan Wilson did. Logan says, quote,
I went in and said my goodbyes to all the
people that poured into me and that I helped pour
into them. So it was a tough goodbye, but it
was a time for a fresh start. Logan Wilson earlier
this morning, Let's grab some calls, get you into this

(40:26):
conversation in Cincinnati. Charlie, you were on seven hundred wlw welcome.

Speaker 12 (40:32):
Lam spend, appreciate it. Hey, I'm just some two points.
The first point with Duke Tobin.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
You know, I can't get.

Speaker 12 (40:41):
Into too much, but Duke Tobin is a figurehead for
this team. He is a buffer from the ownership. They
are the ones who make the decisions of the personnel.
They negotiate all the contracts. Duke Tobin is not making
the day to day decisions on personnel. That's why you
don't hear from him. Not be able to provide any

(41:01):
color or anything like that. I would encourage you guys
in the immediate to ask more about the structure of
the organization.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
But who would those who would those questions be asked too?
They don't make themselves available.

Speaker 12 (41:13):
No, I agree, I just I think Duke Tobin's taking
the brunt of the most of the points, and this
fault on Katie Blackburn and Mike Brown. If my second
point to all this is, if you go back to
twenty eighteen, we have hit on like foundational pieces exactly
three draft picks Jamar, Chase, Burrow, and Higgins.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Outside of that.

Speaker 12 (41:36):
On a foundational level, name another draft pick that we've
hit on since twenty eighteen.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
I would that's a great point. I'd say Chase Brown
to be fair. But to your bigger point, my daughter,
my twenty three year old daughter, could have drafted Joe Burrow,
Chase Brown, and T Higgins or Jamar, Chase and T Higgins.

Speaker 12 (41:57):
I don't disagree. They can't miss prospect and you know
Jaith Brown, yes, but in terms of foundational pieces, a
left tackle or a defensive lineman, you know, our first
round draft pick this year has I mean, you can't
even find him on the field half the time. And
I would just encourage people to this is an ownership problem.

(42:17):
This is Katie Blackburn, this is Mike Brown. You know
they have a much bigger say well, but I don't Charlie.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
But Charlie, I guess i'd ask, why would you be
letting Duke Tobin off the hook? Nobody should be off
the hook above the head coach. They should all be
on the hook. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna less
It shouldn't be lessened for Duke. There is no accountability
that goes up in the organization. It's only used by
the head coach and it's applied down to his players.

Speaker 12 (42:47):
Oh.

Speaker 13 (42:47):
I don't disagree. I'm just saying.

Speaker 12 (42:49):
My point being is Duke Tobin is not the one
making the personnel decision.

Speaker 13 (42:53):
This we need as a city.

Speaker 12 (42:56):
It's on Mike Brown, It's on Katie Blackburn and Duke
Open simply a buffer in there to make it look
like we have a GM. You know, like take the
Reds for example. You know they'd have their ups and downs,
but you've got to give them credit. They're trying to win.
They have peace, you.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Know, the personal place.

Speaker 12 (43:11):
But in terms of you know the pieces, you look
at every single Major League or every single NFL.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
T you have a practice facility.

Speaker 12 (43:19):
Heck, even FC Cincinnati has a practice facility. Cincinnati is
the only one that doesn't have a separate practice facility.
They don't invest in the team. That's why we take
it free agents here. You know this sounds ancillary, but
even you know, in terms of like dining for the players,
it's clearly every year it's one of the worst rated
as why would you not want your players to have

(43:39):
the best drossible nutrition.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
They don't invest in.

Speaker 12 (43:43):
The team, and then they come to the county and
ask for four hundred million. As all these other places,
whether it's Nashville or Cleveland or Buffalo, they're building these
stadiums on their own, on their own dime for the
most part, and ours is looking for a renovation because
they're just cheap and didn't want to spend money. And
whether they win or not, did get that NFL revenue share.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Charlie, you gotta run, I gotta run. I appreciate your
point in your spraying to all fields now and opening
up a whole conversation for a whole year of conversation
on a variety of things. I will say this, you
mentioned the Reds. That's the same organization who's president of
Baseball Operations, told Mark Sheldon and the media today that quote,

(44:26):
our twenty twenty six payroll will be around the same
as our payroll from twenty twenty five. End quote seven
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(45:09):
either front. We'll talk talk to godfather of sports talk,
Bob Trump. Coming up out of news. I'd be interested
in hearing your stories and recollections of his impact, either
as a Bengal and or as a broadcaster. We'll do that.
Coming up after the bottom of the hour News in Lexington.
Let's talk Bengals in the trade deadline. Joe, what do

(45:32):
you know?

Speaker 4 (45:34):
Hey, Lance, thanks for having me on, but what's on
your mind? Well, you know, I love the term I
can show you better than I can tell you. And
how I would show Duke Tobin Blackburn and my Brown
family the anguish and the parody of the Tommins fan

(45:55):
is next time Cincinnati has a home game, the seats
would be empty. And uh, the reason I say that is,
uh uh, the fans are the ones really losing. I mean, sure,
the players hurt, and I get that, but they're millionaires. Okay,
they're They're going to go on about their day, and
I know they want to win. But the front office

(46:18):
has to go and to me, as a fan, my
input Mike Brown, please sell the team because it to
have the offense they have now and and to let
Logan Wilson walk and and maybe that's a reflection of
the problems they had with Stewart and all the hype
and all the conversation with him and and all the

(46:41):
things said during the off season with Trey it's it's
just toxic. And uh, it's it's for the common fan.
My heart really goes out. You know, I do well,
but there's a lot of fans that that don't. There's
a lot of fans that that just you know, barely
make it a third dollar had sure.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
But but Joe, also, what you're asking is for them,
those individuals who spent their harder money on tickets to
not go What I mean, what that seems counterproductive. You've
already got the tickets. Why would you not use them?

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Oh well, well I get that a typeset. Yeah, you know,
I'm not what I'm what I'm saying is is they
I don't really see them actually caring about the fan
base because if they did, they would have somebody that
could draft talent. They could have somebody that that would
really get impact players. And they fail to do so.

(47:36):
And it's not just one year, it's a year after year.
I'm sure they you know, blind squirrel can finding the
corn once in a while. I get that. And you know,
I mean Zach Tiller, you know, I think he's a
great coach. But the Logan Wilson thing and and the
fact that they don't they're not aggressive like in the draft,

(47:57):
like trading up and maybe getting that defensive player or
like Rokwan Smith the Baltimore God, do we even go
after players in the trade. We didn't this year. I mean,
so what are the Bengals, what are they saying that?
What they're cutting their losses and they're forgetting about this year.
And you know, I don't know. And let me ask
you this, did Mike Jesse Bates? Was it because I

(48:20):
don't know? Was it the fact that Mike Brown they
didn't have the money?

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Oh no, no, no, no no, they they always have the money.
They have money now. They just didn't consider it. They
didn't consider a value for a safety and thought they
could survive without it. They're still searching for safeties back there, Joe,
I hear you. I feel your frustration. It comes through
loud and clair and I appreciate you checking in tonight. Yes,

(48:47):
all right, all right, all right, thank you.

Speaker 14 (48:48):
You know.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I go back and I'm looking at this this column
by Jason Williams again, and I just that this line
is such a wonderful line, and I can't imagine it
being uttered in like and I love the city I'm
in and I don't want to live in New York
and or Boston or Philadelphia or a place like that.
But can you imagine this line in like Boston or

(49:09):
New York or Philadelphia when it's this he says, I
requested an interview with Tobin last week. Others in the
local media have too. The Bengals are considering making their
player personnel director available to answer questions this week. Can
you imagine NFL teams in no Cities saying, you know,

(49:30):
we are considering having our player personnel director answer questions
about the state of the team. We might or might
not get back to you on that. You just can't
make that stuff up. Doug Bob Trumpy next to Arneld
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Hey rolling until nine tonight with RNL Carrier Sports Talk
presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. It's Tuesday night. That must mean
the Nightcap with Gary Jeff Walker. I do believe I
wanted to spend some time on Bob Trumpy and welcome
you into the conversation and stories. And I spent a

(50:21):
couple of segments last night on Bengals Lin with Dave Lapham.
We remembered Trump, and that was on ESPN fifteen thirty,
and it was in the eight o'clock hour, because we
started on both seven hundred and ESPN fifteen thirty then
broke away for UC basketball. Here, So only if you
were listening on ESPN fifteen thirty and in the eight
o'clock hour, did you hear us talk about Trumpy last night?

(50:42):
Pat Brennan of The Inquirer called me last night for
a story he's doing on Trumpy. Sterling called me and
I was on with him last night. I'm going to
be on tomorrow morning from Springfield, Illinois with my guy
Darren Pritchard of Sports Radio fourteen fifty in Springfield, where
Trump is from and where his family is is revered.
And Darren said, I'd love to get you on and

(51:03):
talk about Trump because he is such a beloved figure
here in his family. And I said absolutely, and I
kind of like I thought about holding this off until eight,
and then I was weighing, do I really want to
talk more Bengals for another half hour? Do I want
to get into Trumpy now at the midway part of
the show and allow you some storytelling time? And let's

(51:25):
do it now, And the phones are open at five one, three, seven, four,
nine seven one eight hundred. The Big One I wrote
about this, I tweeted this out, had posted it at
seven hundred WLW dot com and on my Facebook page.
I'll give you my biggest takeaways and moments and memories

(51:45):
with Bob Trumpy and they go back as as a
kid at Wilmington College in training camp and I would
have been ten eleven years old standing along the ropes
of Bengals training camp and I got Bob Trumpy's autograph.
I still have it. Elected Bob Trumpy's football cards still
have them. And when he made the move and transitioned

(52:08):
from player to broadcaster, and he actually made it while
he was playing, he became must listen to radio for
me and for fans of Cincinnati. And if you wanted
to know what was going on and what he thought
about it and what you should think about it, you

(52:31):
tuned into sports talk at six o'clock here with Bob
Trumpy in a day and age where there were very
limited platforms broadcast platforms that were not podcast. It wasn't
oh I missed Trump, I'll catch it the next day.
It was you found your radio at six o'clock because
the gospel of Trumpy was about to begin, and he

(52:56):
had he had a voice and a presence on the
radio like no one before, and no one sins. I
always called him the godfather of sports talk. He created
it and listening to it as a eleven twelve thirteen

(53:21):
year old. He sounded big, and he sounded important, and
he attracted big and important guest. I always laugh and
marvel and you'll hear him tell this story a little
bit later on and a clip by having the archives
of what he had Bob Knight on and he had

(53:41):
him for an hour one night, and Bob made the
decision to cancel all the commercials. We're going to commercial
free all Bob Knight for the hour. That was the
power of Trumpy in multiple ways, that Bob Knight would
give him an hour. Can you imagine Bob Knight giving

(54:02):
anybody an hour, especially media, And yet he did. And
can you imagine I'll tell you what. I could do
an interview one night with somebody for an hour and
say cancel the commercials. I would not be invited back
the next day. My key card would go red. You
know I always joke I work on a day to day.

(54:24):
Does my key card turn green? I'm good to go
one day, it'll turn red. If I had tried that,
it would have gone red. Rest assured you did what
you blew out all the commercials and kept the guests
for the entire hour. Bob Trumpy had opinions. Oh did
he have opinions? And he was right and you were

(54:47):
wrong all the time. I always kind of joked it
was kind of in the mold of trump I always joked,
I don't say things I don't work on my show
and prepare and do the research so I can say
things that are wrong. And I always joked that in
terms of that's something Bob Trumpey would say. He was
never wrong, and it was part of the beauty of Trumpet.

(55:10):
It was infuriating growing up. I called his show once
a week. I once called him. I was probably fourteen
years old. I called Sports Talk from our family vacation.
We had gone to keithe Cod and I called him
to talk rets. In nineteen eighty five, I would have

(55:32):
been eighteen years old. I called him and we went
round and round and round arguing about playing time for
Buddy Bell over Wayne Crenchikey. The Reds had traded for Bell.
Wayne Crenchikey was having a career year. They benched cren Chickey.
They started Bell, and you could look it up. Bell,

(55:53):
I'm gonna guess for his first fifty games, hit like
a buck eighty and I just lost my mind. But
you could take a guy out of the lineup who
was having a career year and keep playing Buddy Bell
who was hitting one eighty. And we went right around
and he hung up on me. And incredibly, you know,

(56:13):
eighteen fifteen years later I was working with him. We
co hosted the Friday afternoon Bengals pep Rally show. I'm
gonna say from I know it had to be ninety
nine because that was Achille Smith. And oh did we
have some shows about Achille Smith. I remember Trumpy. One
time we were talking about what was wrong with Achille

(56:35):
Smith and Trumpy and I'm paraphrasing, declared he ran he
ran twenty six plays and he messed up eighteen of them.
He's an idiot, idiot I said it there, and I'm like,
but this is Bob Trumpy and we all we did

(56:56):
those shows every Friday, and you talk about it. At
a time where the Bengals were really, really bad. There
were Fridays where we sat, we'd travel around to the
different Buffalo Wild Wings was every Friday afternoon from three
to six. This would have been this was eleven sixty
Bob or thirteen sixty or whatever station it was at
the time, and it would be me and Trumpy, and
there might be a manager, and there might be somebody

(57:17):
a server, and somebody in the kitchen. There was like
six people in the place on Fridays during real bad
Bengals seasons. You could hear the dishes clanging in the
background in the kitchen. It was so quiet in the place.
But oh, we were talking Bengals. And the thing I
always remember about working with Trump he was he would

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he would have a way of peering over his glasses
and many times through the cloud of smoke from his
chain smoking, because then back then, oh that he smoked cigarettes.
I mean in a show, he might smoke two packs
of cigarettes and a show and he would look at
me down those glasses on his nose and through the smoke,

(58:01):
and I have said something and he would say, you
clearly never played the game. And that was like his
go to line. And I would get in on kicks
where I like, like after Sunday, I would have done
this where I would have demanded the Bengals make a statement.
I would have said during the show, they need to

(58:22):
make a statement, they need to do you know, fill
in the blank, and he would just laugh in that
big booming deep voice statement, Oh you and your statements.
Oh you want to do is make statements. And I'll
never forget. One Friday snowstorm hit and I remember saying,

(58:46):
all right, I've got to get to the show today.
I'm going to I left three hours early that day
to get to the show, and it was at a
Buffalo Wild Wing somewhere somewhere up around this vicinity. I
would think it was in Ohai. I had to cross
from northern Kentucky into it was up in this part
of the woods, so to speak. And I was late

(59:08):
for the show because the traffic and the snow. I
left three hours early, and I was late. And I
got to tell you sitting in the car in a
snowstorm and hearing that Bob Trumpy had arrived and started
the show without me, and he proceeded to spend the

(59:28):
half hour that I was late just crushing me, just
at absolutely obliterating me for being late. I mean it
was he just killed me. Never forget that we sparred
at times. We had knockdown, dragout battles on the air.

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We had knocked down drag out battles off the air.
We did the Roundtable show together and I think two
thousand and ten for a year, But I've always said
the defining moment of our relationship came about twenty two
years ago, and that's when Casey was diagnosed with leukemia.

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Casey was two and a half at the time, and
Bob Trumpy was the first person that called me and
he offered whatever we needed, however he could help, and

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he offered his bone marrow. He said, if you need
a donor, I'm in. And I will never forget that.
You know, It's been sixteen years since I realized the

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dream of becoming the host of the show, and I
have never once tried to be like him or do
a show like him, because I had no shot. He
is truly one of a kind, and I will say
in doing this show, I've always felt an obligation to

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do the show justice because of what he'd built with
this show. So I call him the godfather. Without him,
sports Talk would have eventually arrived in this city. I
remember when it became a thing on WFAN and New
York twenty four hour Sports Talk that was incredible. It
would have eventually been here in some way, shape or form.

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But what Bob Trumpy created in his own vision built
and delivered. If you, if you weren't around, try to
understand how incredible it was. And it's why I love

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to play clips and interviews, and you're gonna hear him
the rest of the show in parts. I like to
play his interviews and clips from the archives of Sports
Talk because I want listeners reminded of his greatness, or
I want people to hear his greatness maybe for the
first time. He was to me and always will be

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larger than life. I can't believe he's gone. Thoughts and
prayers to his wife Pat and sons Matthew and Jason,
and I'm just incredibly sad. Let's take a time out.

(01:02:56):
We'll come back. I've got some things he has said,
some stories he shared over the years. I'm going to
let you hear. I would love to hear from you
thoughts and reflections and memories of Trump as a Bengal
and as the host of Sports Talk and as an
NBC broadcaster ahead RNL Carrier, Sports Talk presented by Kelsey
Chevalet seven hundred WW close it in on eight o'clock.

(01:03:21):
Man Time is flying tonight News and an update on
election Day coming up in a matter of minutes. Let
me begin a series, Evan Man, I can't wait to
hear some of these stories I see popping up online.
We'll get to your calls shortly. Let's also set the scene,
and this is part of a conversation I had to
sit down I had with Bob I'm going to say
back in maybe as far back as like twenty eighteen,

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asking him about the history of sports talk. Listen to
him describe how sports talk the idea came about.

Speaker 15 (01:03:53):
While driving around southern California. There's a thousand radio stations
out there, and I turned one on and Bill Russell,
the Hall of Fame center for the Boston Celtics and
out of the University of San Francisco, was doing a
talk show, doing a sports talk show. I got slightly hooked,
not on what he was doing or what he was saying,

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but he was having a good time. So I talked
to my wife. We're driving somewhere, and I said to her,
you know I could do that. That was the moment
where I thought I would at least explore the possibility
of doing it here in Cincinnati. Now here's what was
working against me. LA has what twenty million people, a

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lot of sports. How do you accommodate that in Cincinnati?
And then wait a minute, half of the audience is
the Pacific Ocean in Los Angeles. At least in Cincinnati.
You come to Cincinnati. In the same general area, you've
got Columbus, Lexington, Louisville, certainly, Indianapolis, Bloomington. Wait a minute,

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we got a lot of sports. So that was the
birth of the idea, just riding around in southern California
traffic listening to Bill Russel go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
That idea is then presented to this station seven hunterd
WLW Charlie Murdoch and rejected.

Speaker 15 (01:05:20):
Why Well, I had been a radio salesman for this
radio station in the early seventies when they were at
ninth in elm So I knew some people in this building,
but this is the only radio station that I really
ever listened to other than WSAI and our good buddy

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Jim Scott. So I presented it to Charlie Murdoch, and
Charlie was one of those guys that his face was
like a billboard. You knew immediately yes or no. And
that's what I was hoping for, that I would see
in his face the excite and there wasn't the excitement,

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and he said, give me twenty four hours and I'll
get a hold of you. He called me in twenty
four hours and said no, I was crushed. So the
only other place that had the strength, that is a
fifty thousand watt station was WCKY, which I had never
listened to, primarily because they played Montovani, Steve Lawrence, and

(01:06:24):
Igor May records. I think it's fair to say it
would be described as elevator music.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
And you're still playing at the time, you're still active.

Speaker 15 (01:06:32):
It was the off season after after Actually it was
the off season after seventy four. By the way, I
learned a couple of years later that Charlie Murdoch loved
the idea, the Bengals did not, and that they made
the decision.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Part of a conversation I had with Bob Trumpy about
seven eight years ago. Will turn it into at eight
o'clock hour, grab your calls and you will hear Bob
tell the story of when his broadcast career officially changed
in transition from player to broadcaster when he took on
the Bengals. That is next RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented

(01:07:17):
by Kelsey Chevrolet's seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
The following takes place between eight pm and nine pm.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
All right, let's finish strong, got an hour to get
it done before I hand things off to Gary Jeff Walker.
I'm Lance, but calister, thanks for being here. We started
this at the midway point of the show, and I
figured tonight would be it would be only fitting to
spend some time sharing stories, swapping stories of the former
Bengal legend and broadcasting pioneer Bob Trumpy after his passing
over the weekend. You'll hear some more clips of stories

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he told me over the years throughout this hour. But
I want to hear something from you as well, said
to reading, Hey Dave, welcome to sports Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:17):
I'm climbing my brother Scott's car Sunday morning and uh
Dan Horde and uh we af we're talking about Trump
in I said, don't tell me Bob trumps and Scott
said yeah. I said, wow, it's it's uh a lot
of that going around lately. It is great one's dinalds.

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But I said, hopefully the Bengals can at least they
win this game in his honor. And we know how
that turned out that the backle but yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
I.

Speaker 5 (01:08:53):
Uh, I can remember, H. I think, first of all,
you saying that about you would try to be nothing
like and US two showed how two different styles can
work so well. And I guess what I wanted to say,
basically was was I think that one story. I remember

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I laughed you saying how he had with anyone he
was calling it, And I can think I can remember
my first time I did that, and it was UH
at the super Bowl. At the first Super Bowl. We
were at the Super Bowl and UH Trump was saying
something about how Isaac Curtis UH didn't go over to the
middle like he should. He's I think he's afraid to

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go over to the middle. On that interception, Ken Anderson
threw and down about the goal line and the Baneles
got this ball right away. And I took an issue
with that, and of course he was right, and he
kept arguing and he was right and everything. And you
know what, Lance, I went back and since we were
at the game, I didn't really see them. I went
by watching it did look like I love to death,

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He's one of my favorites, but that looked like he
was a little hasn't it going over the middle there.
But so you know, I figured that he was deaf
and right about that, and uh was the one thing
I wanted to uh say about that was my brother Ken.
He's been a a football coach for fifty three years

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in high school and uh he actually played up in
Wilmington College back then when the bands trained and and
he did this. He was a tight end and he
was just saying kind tight ends Trump. He was passed
catching tight ending a block too. They passed. He was
a three time All conference uh tight end, but he Trump.

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He left his shoulder pads behind and they gave him
the can they used.

Speaker 7 (01:10:54):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Of course he's first thing he's.

Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
Gonna uh maybe one number eight seventy. I know you're
wearing eighty where you're wearing Trump. Hees, Uh, how about that?

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Oh that's cool, that's cool.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
He said, you're doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:06):
It's funny because those two are now where they like
his players. They're both sow the same way of uh
believes that we're always right about that, right, the really
nicest guys in the world really, but just just acting
like they uh yeah, they were always righting the great players.
And you know, Ken, he wears he had eighty four

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license plates for that number, and well, I wanted to say,
real quickly, real quick, Yeah, I feel real bad because
I feel bad because I wanted to vote for him
last year in the Rail Honor. Well, I well the
two to wind up winning, but I feel bad. Next year,
I define, I define going to vote for him, And
I just think they should put them all those guys

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in right now and start freshing the guys who were
on the on there for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Hey Dave, I got to run, thanks buddy. Hearing from me.
I've said from the start they they need to catch
up class for the Ring of Honor. They're never going
to catch up. And sadly, Bob Trump he's not in
the Ring of Honor and he's now passed, and it's
just it's it's just it's not right. Newport we go,
don You're on seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Hey Lan, Yeah, this.

Speaker 9 (01:12:18):
Goes back about seven years now. So I was a
jeweler for thirty six years and one day Bob walks
in with this watch battery to be changed. So it
comes to the room and start tell yeah, it takes
about ten minutes or so to change the battery. So well,
don't you have that Bengals Edition Rolex. You know you
don't need a battery for that. And he says, I'd

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be lucky to get a cracker Jack watch from that.
He said, yeah, you know how he should say, yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Yes, yes, yes, absolutely.

Speaker 16 (01:12:52):
That's so.

Speaker 9 (01:12:53):
That's what he said. The one thing led to another,
and I had a I had a condition.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
I know you do too.

Speaker 9 (01:13:00):
I don't know if it's the exact same thing, but
I had the exact same condition as Sam wise cardiomyopathy. Wow,
and it's uh I had for about fifteen years. It's
anybody they had heart issues knows that. It's all about
that ejection fraction. Okay, that that number, and that number
for me had gotten down to about ten to fifteen

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percent when I saw him. And I had been fighting
the transplant, word for petrified of it for a long time,
and I just couldn't wrap my mind around it. I
kept trying, I stem cell, you name it. I was
there trying to get it done, and you know, in
the end, it just can't fight it when it gets

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to that. But same thing as Sam. So he says
to me, right there, Hey, what's your number? But what
are you doing here? First of all, and I saw
I'm working. I mean, I just got it, so gonna work.
Family goes no, No, You've got to get this done.
So as you know, you don't argue with Bob right
when you're looking at it. So the very next day,

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Sam wife calls me, wow, wow, and I thought, that's
really that's amazing. And I'm telling you that conversation will
offer about thirty minutes and he changed my mind. And
six years later I received my Christmas Day of all days, nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
What a story. Oh, I got chills.

Speaker 9 (01:14:22):
Yeah, No, he was and he and that wasn't the
first time I talked to him and h but Bob,
I mean, you know, that's part of them. I think
a lot of people thought he was a hard ass
and stubborn and just really you know it with a
no at all. Yeah, they didn't really see the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Side exactly exactly right, very caring.

Speaker 9 (01:14:41):
So that anyway, that's a that's a feel good story
about about John.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
That's great to hear. I'm glad you shared it. Thanks
for checking in, Yeah, thank you. All right, we'll continue.
I've got another story you'll hear. Bob tell a story
about going toe to toe with the organization after he
had retired that next plus more of your calls rn
L care Or Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven
hundred WLW A twenty two, seven hundred WLW R and

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L carri Or Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. A'm lliance,
But callister, thanks for tagging along tonight. Thanks for sharing
the stories the memories of Bob Trump you passed over
the weekend. This is this is one of the more
amazing stories he told me over the years. This is
when he knew he had officially transitioned from a player
Bengals player to a broadcaster at the defining moment, and

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what it did to his relationship with the organization. This story,
he told me, was about seven years ago. It happened
back in nineteen seventy eight when the Bengals fired Tiger Johnson.
Listen to Bob's account of what transpired and how he reacted.

Speaker 15 (01:15:53):
I was sitting at a sponsor Barleick Horns with a
bunch of salespeople and it comes on the air that
Bill Johnson has just been fired. I was, to say
the least upset. Two reasons. One, Tiger was, along with
Bill Walsh, the two greatest influences on my professional career
at Walsh kept selling me and Tiger used me properly.

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I was not a big tight end. I was a
quick tight end, a fast tight end. I could trick him.
I wasn't going to blow somebody off the line of scrimmage.
Tiger helped me with that. I was not happy. The
other factor was I was a teammate of that. All
those guys down there the year before, I had contacts.

(01:16:40):
The contacts had been telling me some things. I knew
some things that Tiger Johnson did not take criticism or
questioning or anything from anybody, including Paul Well. And there
had been some blow ups down there, and I was
aware of them. So I went back to the station

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and I'd never really written an editorial or anything like that,
and I wrote this two page editorial about what I thought,
I knew, what I knew, and how terrible this was
to disrupt this football team with this firing. So I
I that was the first quandary in my broadcast career.

(01:17:24):
If I do this as a former player. I mean,
I got to check from these people about eight months ago.
What's going to happen?

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Geez?

Speaker 15 (01:17:32):
What should I have shouldn't I. So I went into
Phil McDonald, who was the general manager, and I said,
I'm stuck. He said, how can I help? And I said,
I just wrote this and this is my initial reaction
to the firing of Bill Johnson. And he said, mind
if I read it. I said no, absolutely, That's why

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I'm in the air fort. So he read it and
he said, what's your plan? And I said, well, I'm
not sure, but I didn't write that to throw it away.
I write that. I wrote that to announce to Cincinnati
what the hell is going on here? And he said, well,
you got to decide. Are you an next Cincinnati Bengal

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or a broadcaster? Make your choice. I'll stand behind you
either way. I went on the air and read the editorial.
I was very proud of it. When I was done,
it was scathing. It was Paul was trying to do
to Bill Johnson what Art Modell did to him in Cleveland.
That is, do things that a general manager should not do.

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He shouldn't be bumping the head coach's head and so
on and so forth. I'm done with the editorial calls
program ins. I made a promise to myself that I
was not going to hide from that editorial. So the
next day I go to practice, and I know what's
I'm that practice and I'm know where I'm supposed to
stand and everything. So I got to spending for you.

(01:19:00):
So I'm standing on the practice field when the team
and the coaches take the field, with Homer Rice as
the head coach. I don't see Paul, I don't see Mike.
I do see the equipment man and the trainer. Everybody
comes out. I'm standing there watching practice, and then suddenly
Paul is right next to me and he ripped me.

(01:19:22):
He absolutely ripped me, and I stood there and took it.
I said, Paul, there's nothing I said in that editorial
last night that's untrue. You know that I don't like
what you did. I don't know how this is going
to work. The effect on the players on this team
is going to be terrible. And I stand by what

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I said. And the practice INDs, and then kickers are
out there kicking, and so practice has extended a little bit,
and for some reason, Bo Harris, a linebacker on the team,
walks by me and he says, you know what, Trump,
we didn't accomplish much today except for counting that Paul

(01:20:08):
stuck his finger in your face one hundred and four
times and he walks in. So after the practice is over,
everybody leaves and everybody's shaking their head at me. And
I went down the rest of the week. And that
was on Tuesday. I went Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. I don't

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know who they played on Saturday, but I was not
going to be labeled as an assassin as a sniper.
So that changed everything in my broadcast career. I didn't
know where it was going. I didn't know how it
was going to unfold, but at that point my whole

(01:20:53):
outlook on broadcasting changed for the positive. I took on
the big guy in town. I meant what I said.
I didn't make anything up.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Bob Trumpy and a story he told me back in
twenty eighteen on the Tales of Sports talk show, we
did a one night I could squeeze in one move
four to the bottom of the aar. I mentioned Bob Knight.
Listen to Trumpy tell the story of having Bob Knight
on one night and keeping him for the entire hour.
Here's Trumpy.

Speaker 15 (01:21:25):
I played high school basketball. I thought I was pretty good.
Was recruited by a few colleges. So I thought I
knew a lot about basketball, and I used to talk
about Indiana. And this is when Ken Benson and Quinn Buckner. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jim Ferguson, who was the PR director for the Cincinnati Red,

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was a longtime friend of Bobby Knight. Apparently Fergie called
Bob Knight and told Knight, you know you got a
big fan over here in this trumpet get us doing
the sports talk show, and Uh, I get a call
one day, uh, one day this week, Uh, would you
like to have Bobby Knight on? And it was somebody

(01:22:08):
at Indiana And I said this is a joke, and uh,
they said, no, it's not a joke. Jim Ferguson informed
by coach Knight and would you like to have them on? Hell? Yes,
So you know what I did. I canceled all commercials.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
Only the power to cancel all commercials.

Speaker 15 (01:22:28):
I had that ability to cancel all commercials. So, uh,
Bobby Knight was on for an hour commercial free. No,
he was absolutely wrong. No news, no weather, no nothing,
no commercials. He was on for an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Unbelievable. Let's get a check on news when we come
back a night that if you were listening. You'll never
forget Bob never he in telling this story to me,
he got emotional and broke down. It was night he
kept a caller on the line who was threatening to
take her own life. You'll hear him tell that story

(01:23:05):
as we continue. After a check on news with Arnel Carrier,
Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevalet seven hundred WLW, Hey, Gary,
Jeff Walker is in at nine. He's got the nightcap
served up nine to midnight. I'm back at you tomorrow
after Red's Hot Stove, the return of the reds Hot
Stove League Show six o'clock tomorrow night. Here on seven

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hundred WLW. I will follow from seven to nine o'clock.
We are remembering and paying tribute to the godfather of
sports talk, the Bengals legend, the broadcast pioneer, the sad
passing of Bob Trumpy over the weekend. Let's grab some
more memories and stories and Anderson. Hey, Gary, welcome to
Sports Talk.

Speaker 16 (01:23:49):
Hi Lance. This is a great tribute to Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
Thank you n do this, Thank you. I.

Speaker 16 (01:23:56):
There's a lot of series stories and a lot of
great ones. I have kind of a till the anecdote
it goes to what I thought how genuine Bob was
and always admired him as a player and what he
accomplished as a broadcaster. But when he was first starting
a sports talk show, he would joke about his studio

(01:24:20):
audience and he had his producer Fringers fuller if they're ready,
and would always have things going on with these supposed
studio audience. So one day a friend of mine and
I decided to call Bob and it said can we

(01:24:40):
come down and be part of the studio audience? And
and he said, absolutely, come on down, six o'clock.

Speaker 6 (01:24:48):
Here's where you go.

Speaker 16 (01:24:50):
We went in tiny studio and there was Bobby could
not have been more gracious and change smoke yea and
drank coffee through the whole. But it was fascinating to
watching work along with his producer. And again it just

(01:25:11):
goes to how genuine he really was, because he certainly
didn't have to do that and let us come in
because the whole thing was a gag.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Anyway, Oh, what a great story. Oh I love that.
I love that. Thank you for sharing you, Bet.

Speaker 16 (01:25:27):
I appreciate being on and what you're doing tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
You got it. Thank you. I appreciate you listening tonight
and I even haven't even had time. I wanted to
play a clip, but I don't have time for it tonight.
At least of the whole origin of his hot Fudge
Sunday bets, he would make bets with callers on games
and it was for a hot fldge Sunday and he
would pay him off when the studios were in Mount
Adams at the UDF. You go down to the lobby

(01:25:53):
of the station and directly across the street was the
UDF and that's where he paid off or got the
the hot fudge Sundays that were part of the part
of sports talk in Western Nails. Hey Rick, welcome to
seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 4 (01:26:08):
Hey Lance, how are you doing tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
I'm well, thank you for calling.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
So here's my story.

Speaker 14 (01:26:15):
Yes, we had a group of six to ten couples
who would go to Indian Rock Speech in the spring
and make our way to Al Lopez for a spring
training game or two or five too, and Trump would
do sports talk on a weekly basis from the pool

(01:26:40):
side incredible at the Intercon Hotel. Incredible, which I don't
I don't think it's any longer there, but.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
One of one of our one.

Speaker 14 (01:26:51):
Of the nameless kids who who was very athletic, somehow
climbed the tree over the top of Trumpy when he
was interviewing Dick Wagner. And he was distracted incredibly by
this by this ten year old kid in the tree

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right above where he was broadcasting.

Speaker 13 (01:27:17):
And they went to a break.

Speaker 4 (01:27:20):
And Trumpy said, can you.

Speaker 13 (01:27:22):
Get the damn monkey out of the tree. And security
came in and moved us along, and he was so gracious.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
You know. We had the kid go up.

Speaker 14 (01:27:40):
And apologize to him during the commercial break, and it
was all was good, but it was he was interviewing
Dick Wagner.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Oh, I never heard that story. That is a great story.

Speaker 14 (01:27:57):
I don't think the Intercontinental is there anymore. But it
was a fabulous setting for sports talk. And then Bob Herzog,
who was a competitor on another station, after doing the
Trumpy interview, went to Herzog's room to do his interview

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on his sports talk show, and we followed and knocked
on the door and tried to talk to Dick Wagner,
but he wouldn't talk to us.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Fous Oh, what a great story. Thank you for sharing
the story. Thank you for listening tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
Thank you all right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
I love that I never heard that story before. Here
is one that this night. It is still thinking back,
hard to fathom what happened and how Bob Trump he
handled it. You were going to hear him explain the

(01:28:59):
story of the night a caller was threatening to take
her own life and Bob kept her on the line.
Here is that story, as told to me on the
show we did tales from sports Talk a number of
years ago. Take a listen. I remember this and I
remember listening to this night. I want to say November

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of nineteen eighty three and the emotions of dealing with
a female caller. I believe she was the first caller
of the night. Her name was Sugar, and she was
threatening to take her life and.

Speaker 15 (01:29:30):
She called you no. She called Doug Kidd, who is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
The producer who answered that first person answered a lite.

Speaker 15 (01:29:36):
Here's the way it happened. We're three ash Poor Street.
We got about two or three minutes before the show
starts and Doug comes. I put my head. He motions
and I put my head set on and he said, uh, listen,
there's this lady on the I got on the phone.
She called me about ten or fifteen minutes ago, and

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she's in trouble, and I don't know what to do.
I don't know what we should do, but I don't
want to hang up. That's the smartest thing that anybody
did that night. So I have to put her in
with me. I put my head set on and I
start talking to this lady.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
This is on the air.

Speaker 15 (01:30:17):
Off at this point, No, this is off the air.
It's like ninety seconds before six o'clock, so it's not
on the air. So I start talking to this lady.
And I still don't know her name, but I named
her Sugar just so I can talk to her. And
I start talking, and two and a half hours go by,

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and I was so concentrating on dealing with this lady
that I was not paying attention to what was going
on around me. And I frankly had no idea that
ninety seconds had expired and that we were live on
the air. I didn't know that. And then I looked up,
and I'd say there were half a dozen Cincinnati police

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officers in with Doug. And I looked up and I thought,
wait a minute, what is this? And then they started
putting notes up on the window don't put her on hold,
don't hang up, I'll keep talking. So I just kept
doing that. I've never listened to it. It still makes

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me emotional. I mean, every night you talk to somebody,
and some night you're the only person that person talks to.
And that's the feeling I got from this lady. And
then I look up and my wife is standing there
with her best friend. And I didn't know what I
was doing, I except having a conversation with this woman.

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And finally her son picked up the phone. Her son
walked in on her. I don't know if he was
listening to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
I have no clue.

Speaker 15 (01:32:00):
I still don't know her name. I've never listened to
the show. I can't tell you how long it lasted,
but it was somewhere around two and a half hours.
I didn't know when I was done for the evening,
if it had been broadcast or not. Doug was still
sitting there, all the policemen were there, my wife was there,

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her best friend was there at the.

Speaker 6 (01:32:24):
Time, and I.

Speaker 15 (01:32:28):
Just kind of collapsed physically and mentally, and she was rescued.
I don't I think the police showed up, found out
where she was, and I don't know if she's fine.
I don't know if she lasted a week, a month,
another year, if she's still see you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
From that moment, you never had another conversation or met.

Speaker 15 (01:32:52):
Her no, no, or received a letter or.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
Anything.

Speaker 15 (01:32:59):
I can't remember remember a word I said, except for
naming her Sugar. She had a dog with her whose
name was Sugar. I said, can I call you Sugar?
As I remember. That's all I remember that conversation. I
don't know. For the life of me, I can't remember,
and frankly, I really don't want to know. All I

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remember is at the end of it was I was
talking to her, and then suddenly another voice came on
the phone and I said, who is this? And it was.

Speaker 6 (01:33:33):
I'm her son.

Speaker 15 (01:33:35):
Your mom needs help.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
This month back in nineteen eighty three, what what an
evening on sports talk? I can't even imagine handling the
way he did that night. Let's take a time. I'd
come back, head downstretch, put the wraps on it, and
get you ready for the cap with Gary Jeff Walker.

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It is eight forty seven. This is RNL Carrier Sports
Talk presented by Kelsey Chevallet on seven hundred WLW al
Right down, the stretch, we go Gary Jeff Walker's in
the house. He's already in the studio to go on
tonight at nine six here on seven hundred WLW. By

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the way, the initial twelve team college Football playoff projections
are at the the bracket in the twenty five the
initial rankings, and then the projected twelve team bracket for
the playoff field looks as follows. Your number one team
in the college Football playoff projections. Ohio State is one,

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Indiana is two. So the Big Ten lands one and
two at three Texas A and M at four Alabama.
This is the way the bracket. UC did not land
in the top twenty five. They play BYU coming up
at NIPPERD BYU as seven. U sees off this weekend,

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then BYU BYU and Texas Tech played this week. That
is number seven BYU versus number eight Texas Tech in
the college Football Playoff rankings. This is the way the
bracket looks at the moment. One seed Ohio State would
play the winner of eight Texas Tech versus nine Oregon two.

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Indiana would play the winner of seven BYU versus ten
Notre Dame, three, Texas A and M. It's the winner
of six Ole Miss and number eleven Virginia, and number
four seed is Alabama, Bama getting the winner of five
seed Georgia versus twelve seed Memphis. So again your top

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four seeds Ohio State one, Indiana two, Texas A and
M three. Alabama is four U seed does not make
the initial top twenty five rankings in the college football playoff.
I think that is enough from there. Let's see what else.
Louisville's in at fifteen, Michigan in at twenty one, and

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see if there's any other area teams that I'm missing
or regional teams that would be it the college football
Top twenty five playoff bracket. All right, let me give
you one more to round out the night from the
conversation I had with Bob a few years ago about
the history of sports talk, and I asked him to
kind of sum it all up. Here's part of that conversation.

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Could you have ever imagined the first time he turned
on the microphone doing this for sports Talk nineteen seventy six?
Could you have ever imagined that sports talk would turn
out the way it did in that run?

Speaker 15 (01:36:49):
You had no, absolutely not, And don't just include sports
talk I mean, I'm a kid from the middle of
Illinois raising a town of fIF teen hundred people, and
I can put on my resume a lot of things.
And one of the things I'm most proud of I
got to play golf with Neil Armstrong. Huh and jesse Owens.

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How about that. That's a long way from Tremont, Illinois,
And however I got there, I enjoyed every minute. The
only downside the time I had to be away from
the family in television and my two sons growing up
here in Cincinnati. When I'm on the radio. They had

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to defend me every day in school and there were
some punches thrown from my son sons out about what
I said the night before in the radio. Those are
the only two downsides I've ever found. All that I've
ever done, I can accept the rest. Don't take on

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my kids, and just remember I played golf with Neil Armstrong,
Jessie Owens, Are you serious?

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
Bob Trumpy from Tales of Sports Talk a few years ago? Man?
And am I gonna miss him? Thank you for sharing
the stories tonight, and I hope you enjoyed the stories
I was able to share from our conversation I got
a feeling we'll probably put that back together. For last year,
we did it as like a Christmas Eve special Christmas

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Eve edition of Sports Talk. We may have run it
on New Year's but I think we'll probably run that
again as a special edition of Sports Talk, depending on
the programming windows around the holidays. All of those stories
together in one night. A couple of notes I'm looking
at on Twitter. Congrats to the Baiden Rams girls soccer.
They win one nil, one nothing over. Hobin Baden will

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play the winner of Bay Village and Granville on Saturday
at one o'clock at Cruse Stadium for the state championship. Congratulations.
Couple of things on this date, let's see ooh this
a note from the college football playoffs tonight. Ohio State
is in at number one in the initial rankings. Only

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two number one teams in the first college football playoff
rankings have gone on to win the national championship recent
though twenty twenty Alabama twenty twenty one Georgia. Those were
the team's number one initially when the polls came out,
and winners of the national championship. All right, on this
date in sports history, just a couple of notes. Nineteen

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seventy six, baseball really changed forever. The first free agent
draft took place. Twenty four players were available from thirteen
different teams. Two years later, the free agency period began
opening up that night, with Pete Rose leading the way
after a world win recruitment. By what the Cardinals and

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the Braves and the Pirates and the Cardinals are going
to give you like Brewer, The Braves are going to
give him like stock in, like tbs. The Pirates are
going to give him race horses. Pete wound up signing, obviously,
with the Philadelphia Phillies. This date, nineteen eighty, Japan's all
time home run hitter Sadahara retired from professional baseball. The

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first baseman hit a record eight hundred and sixty eight
home runs in his twenty two year career in Japan.
And on this date, twenty ten, Sparky Anderson passed away
at the age of seventy six in Thousand Oaks, California.
You know, one of the most amazing stats about Sparky's
career nine years as Reds manager, seventeen as the Tigers manager. Wow,

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all right, I wish I had more time. I don't
thanks to Joe Wadell for producing. Hope you enjoyed tonight.
I very much appreciate you listening. Let's do it tomorrow
night after Red's Hot Stove, I've got you seven to nine,
Stick around Gary, Jeff Walker's got the nightcap after news.
This has been Arnel Carrier's shortstock presented by Kelsey Chevallet.
Seven hundred W out of you