11-5-25 R+L Carriers Sports Talk with Lance McAlister

Lance takes your calls on a variety of reds off-season topics, including free agency and more roster decisions.

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
The following takes place between seven pm and eight pm.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
All Right, here we go seven seven seven hundred WLW.
It's r L carry Or Sports Talk presented by Kelsey
Chevrolet Aveliance. Macalister, thank you for making your way here.
I've got two hours to work with tonight. I don't
know about you, but I feel like talking some Reds.
The Bengals are off. What are you gonna say about
the Bengals that we haven't said with the past two days.
I'll save up any remaining thoughts for tomorrow night at

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the Roundtable show for two hours with Rocky. How do
you not talk Reds on the heels of the Reds
hot stove kicking off for the off season, So get
ready for that. We have, man, do we have some
things to discuss about the Reds. Let's get to the
headlines so we can go. Bengals players off today to
officially begin the bye week. They'll get back at it
on Monday, start work on the Steelers baseball. As you

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may have heard, off the top Reds had to make
three roster decisions today. They have declined the option of
three players Scott Barlow, Austin Hayes, Brent soonter All three
now become free agents. We'll talk about that in a second.
The Red spring training schedule announced today. They will open
games on Saturday, February twenty first versus Cleveland. They'll have

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a game against Team Cuba before the World Baseball Classics starts,
and they'll play games on Merch twenty third and twenty
fourth versus the Brewers at American Family Field in Milwaukee,
not regular season games in Milwaukee. Free agency begins tomorrow.
Kyle Tucker, Kyle Schwarber, Bobashett among the headliners of the

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free agent class. Game seven of the World Series averaged
fifty one million viewers combined across the US Canada and
making it the most watched major league game in thirty
four years since Game seven of the nineteen ninety one
World Series. College basketball, the Indiana Hoosiers open their season
at home to Alabama A and M tonight, the debut

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of new coach Darren de Freese. IU is the only
program in the country with at least ten transfers, each
with at least thirty college starts in their career. Their
ten man portal class has five hundred and fifty four
starts in Division one basketball prior to arriving in Bloomington.

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Holy cow, what a stat Soccer FC Cincinnati continuing preparation
for a Game three decider of their first round playoff
series against the Columbus Crew. On Saturday night, MLS announced
that eve Vander has been named the MLS Best Eleven,
which recognizes the league's top players at each position, as
determined by members of the media, MLS players, and MLS

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in MLS this year, fifteen goals in a league leading
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the Flames nine to thirty puck drop and ESPN reports
Auburn and Notre Dame have agreed to a home and
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When every minute counts, you can count on mom. All right,
let's get to it. Let me open the lines because
I want to talk.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
It's five one, three, seven, four nine, seven thousand, one,
eight hundred, the Big One. Perhaps you were listening to
the Red Hot Stove League Show. I think we have
a number of things to get to over the course
of two hours tonight that I would like your and
request your help on. And we've done an off season
of Red's questions. We've done let's see, we've done the

(04:29):
question of what position is best for Ellie. We've done
the question of what do you do in terms of
Emilio Pegan, who's a free agent. If the projection is
two years at twenty two, would you make an attempt
to bring Emilio Pagan back or not. What was the
first one we did the off season. I can never
remember the first one. We've done three different topics about this.

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This will be the fourth because this is the news
of the day, and this is where you come in,
and this is really where it starts getting good for
the offseason, because now the roster building is underway. The
Reds had to make three decisions today. Starting tomorrow, they
have five players become free agents. They had three options

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to decide on today. Tomorrow, five players become free agents.
And this is going to feel like, let me warn
you up front, this is going to feel like what
has transpired with his team over the last twenty four
hours is going to feel like a bit of a
dose of reality that you might not be ready for. Because,

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as Nick Kral told the Beat writers yesterday, the payroll
is going to basically remain it where it was a
year ago. So the question becomes, and the question I'll
pose to you upfront, is how does a team whose
payroll remains basically the same improve I'll start simple, third place,

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eighty three wins, swept in the playoffs. How does a
team that has this basically the same amount of money
to play with and a lot of raises baked in.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
How does it get better?

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Here's the three decisions they made today and feel free
to weigh in on these.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
They had options.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
They could have picked up the option of Austin Hayes
and paid him twelve million. They decided to decline the option,
meaning they'll pay him the buyout of one million. Could
have brought Austin Hayes back for twelve million, decided to

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pay him one million and let him become a free agent.
Brent Souter they could have picked up his option, paying
him three million. They declined the option and give him
the buyout as negotiated of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
They could have picked up the option on Scott Barlow

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at six and a half million. Instead, they declined and
will pay him the buyout of one million. So Austin Hayes,
Brent Suter and Scott Barlow all become free agents. Had
they picked up the options at all three, it would
have cost him twenty one and a half million dollars.
By declining those options, it will cost them two point

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two million dollars. Now, that obviously means they have three
spots to fill.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
On the roster.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
That also means they could, in theory, negotiate to bring
those guys back. I can't see a scenario where they
would negotiate to bring Austin Hayes back. I could see
them thinking there is a common ground to reach with
Scott Barlow and Brent Suter. Both were incredibly worked and
I mean worked last year, and those are very valuable innings.

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Don't even look at I know it sounds silly to say,
don't look at earned run average, but their availability last
season to pitch in any and all situations provide a
great value to this team. So, while it's understandable they
wouldn't want to pay Scott Barlow six and a half
million to come back this year, if they're paying them
in a million buyout, could they settle on something else

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and make it I don't know. Would Scott Barlow come
back for two million, just pick a number. Would Brent
Souter come back for a million and a half two
something along those lines. Would you be able to negotiate
maybe a two year deal with an option on that
back end that would kind of move some money up front.
There's some ways that can do that, but it's a

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matter of if they would want to come back and
if you would find value in bringing them back. Starting tomorrow,
they'll they'll have five free agents. Nick Martinez free, Miguel
and Duhar free, Sam Mall free, Amelia Pegon free, zach
ly Tel free. They all become free agents. So three
guys remove from the roster today, and hey, Suitor and Barlow.

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So five guys removed from the roster tomorrow Martinez Andujar,
Mal Pegan and Lattel. Now is where it starts getting
really dicey and uncomfortable. If you're ready now, According to
what Nick Krawl told Mark Sheldon, Charlie Goldsmith and Beat
Writers yesterday, payroll is going to be right in the

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ring around the range it was last year. That's somewhere
between one hundred and fifteen and one hundred and twenty
million dollars, give or take a million or two. Let's
just say one fifteen to one twenty right now. Based
on what they have on the roster and the raises
coming due in arbitration, that's about ninety five million. That

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leaves the Reds with somewhere in the neighborhood of twenty
to twenty five million to play with. Now with that
cool that they have to play with, you've lost Hayes, Suitor, Barlow,
Martinez and Duhar Mal, Pegan and Lattel. Let's start trying

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to figure out how a team that finished third in
won eighty three games last year is going to get
better this coming season, and how they handle the payroll.
Because if you've got twenty to twenty five million to
play with, anybody, anybody in the side of my voice
who thinks they have a chance a chance at Kyle

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Schorber is.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Not paying attention.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Because if you've got twenty to twenty five million left
and you need at least three relievers to add, you
need that elusive bat to add, and you need at
least a utility player to add. I'll apply the Butler
math and ask you how do you think that would work?
By adding Kyle Schober, they're down Pegan, Suit, Barlow, Martinez

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out of the bullpen. Let's just say, for arguments sake,
they replace three of them. You've got to replace somebody
who takes the role of in some way, shape or
form Espinal who was a utility infielder could play multiple positions.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
And oh, by the way, for.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
The third consecutive off season. They're going to be looking
for that elusive back. And oh, by the way, on
the books, as part of that ninety five million committed
is thirteen million to Jamber Candelario. Can you imagine? Can

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you imagine sitting down and looking at a spreadsheet that
shows the Reds payroll and realizing, let's say you're let's
play the role of Nick Kroll, and realizing you've been
told you've got about one hundred and fifteen to one
hundred and twenty million to work with. And you're looking
down that sheet and you see raises in arbitration for players.

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A group of players last year that made twenty seven
million this year in arbitration are scheduled to make closer
to forty nine million. How about that for a raise?
And you scroll down, down down, and you see on
your books thirteen million for Jamer Candelario, who is not

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with the organization any longer.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
Now.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Hard to feel sorry when Nick put that thirteen million
on the books when he signed Jamber Candelario. And that
didn't even count the three million in the buyout though,
oh him. Depending on how they do the book, do
the books, they'll probably push the other three million they
owe him into the following year because technically they still

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have to pay him sixteen million dollars, so more and more,
And I think there was a lot of initial reaction
to the reports of why are there so many rumors
about one hundred Green being traded?

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Why would you trade Hunter Green?

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Well, what I've laid out is the early stages of
a scenario where it would appear if they are going
to add a bat, they're going to have to move
an arm, because that's going to be moving the money around.
It's going to be redistributing the money within the payroll,
moving an arm and getting that money off the books

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to be able to either take and return a bat
or sign a bat.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
And that's giving up an arm.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I gotta tell you, the more I look at this,
the more difficult this looks. And maybe coming out of
Red's hot stove, I sound like Debbie Downer. I would submit,
I'm offering you the reality of the situation.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
It is what it is.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
If the general manager says the payroll is going to
be about what it was, and you have the salaries
you do on the books, it is what it is.
You get about twenty to twenty five million, and you
got a lot of guys to replace that.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
We're on last year's eighty three win team.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Before you even get to the point of thinking, how
do you make the eighty three win team better in
twenty twenty six, that is an incredibly difficult task. Let's
take some calls five one, three, seven, four nine, seven thousand, one,
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in Middletown. Hey, John, you were on seven hundred WLW Lance.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
I'm like you, I don't know where we start. We
got it to do though. We're talking about depth, but
there went some of our depth right there, right Hayes
and all those guys. Now, you know, my thought is,
you know, flight out, we better make employee and bring
Kyle Schwerber home because how.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Would that work?

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Though, based on what you just said, if they've lost
eight guys and they have twenty twenty five million to spend.
How would you come up with thirty million a year
to pay Kyle Schwerber.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
I'm not I'm not sure how they worked that well, but.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
That's my point.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
It wouldn't they They've been told how much they have
to spend and they have twenty to twenty five million left.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
So I'm not a goods trading hunter Greens. I mean,
he hasn't been there for us.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
You know.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
I like him as a good kid, right he is.
He's got got good stuff, you know. But to make
our team better right now, that's the only the only
option then, you know, sounds like because we need costs
warmer and so.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Now understand what you're saying is you want to trade
the twenty six year old pitcher so you can sign
a thirty five year old DH who would cost about
one hundred and fifty million.

Speaker 4 (16:15):
Going forward, we need we need to.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
Get somebody, you know, replacing naturally. It's going to free
up some money. I don't know how they're going to
do it, but they I mean the product that they
knew when they went in last year lance that they
were a big bat short Okay, I don't want to
watch them go in again to this season, knowing what
pieces they're short, knowing what pieces are short, and them
not bring them to the table. They know what they
got to do. They better make it happen because we're

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all getting tired of crawls act. And we'll tell you
that right now, we've seen enough of it. It's time
for us to win. We're done with their excuses. We
you know what I mean, Would they sell their ticket
price to what they need to sell them? The money
issues and all that. We're tired of hearing that they
better get a product on the field that we are
buying because they're selling us crap right now, and we
know better, and everybody knows better. We know exactly what

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we need when we start the season. I want to
start a season one time where we know, like there's
the pieces if we fell.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, I mean, think of it. This is this is
the third off season. They'll be in search of that
elusive bat for the middle of the order the third
off season.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
I know we we need, we need to make employee
for SWERD, but I don't know how it's going to
be done. And I don't like the ideal Hunter Green's
going anywhere. I don't, But you know, uh, you know
it has to happen. I mean, we need that guy.
I know, if we can get that guy there, you know,
and I felt like, you know, having Hayes, you know,
we're losing our death you know, those interchangeable lineups like

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when we rest this guy, this lineup will be out there.
We're losing our depth. And we were speaking of depth
earl earlier, you know, on the radio. So they you know,
they got us to do. We know what they need
to do. But they're gonna have to bree up some money.
And you know they're talking about hundred greed. You know,
what can we get for them? Can we get another harm?
And you know, can we work it? I think we
can if we just got it, we got it to do.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
John great leadoff hitter to the conversation. I appreciate you
checking in today. All right, thank you. Look at it
this way. I'll try to keep it simple because this
can kind of eyes roll back in your head. The
Reds have twenty to twenty five million dollars to replace Hayes,
suitor Barlow, Martinez, Pegan and duhar Lttel Espinal and improve

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the team. That's the that's the task. Arnel Carrier Sports
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if you would join and follow and contribute to the
show during the show. You can follow along outside the
show as well. We've jumped in with both feet on
Red's conversation. Why not it's the Bengals bye week, It's
UC's bye week. We did Bengals last night. I got
a Bengals show tomorrow night. We followed Red's hot stove
to me that I added up to talking Reds Baseball.
That plus the fact yesterday Nick Krawl said publicly for

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the first time the parameters of the budget. It would
leave them somewhere in the vicinity of the same as
last year. Today they announced they declined the options on
three players. Tomorrow, five players will become free agents. So
no time like the president to talk offseason for the Reds.
Let's do the map. I'm looking at the athletic. Two
stories in the Athletic that project salaries of free agents

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I see one projection for Kyle Schorber five years one
hundred and sixty million. I see another five years at
one hundred and forty five million. So those two projections
have Kyle making between twenty nine and thirty two million
a year. Twenty nine to thirty two million a year.
I laid out in the last segment where this team

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is now, they have about twenty to twenty five million
to replace Hayes, Suiter, Barlow, Martinez, Pegan and duhar Lttel
Espinal and improve the team from a year ago that
won eighty three games. Now, my Butler math, that doesn't

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those numbers don't jive. On one side, I see Kyle
Schober projection at twenty nine to thirty two million a year.
On the other side, I see the Reds having twenty
to twenty five million having to replace eight players just
to get back to hole on an eighty three win
team before you even start addressing how they would then

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improve the team other than internal improvement from young guys.
That's the situation. Those are the dynamics right now. Does
anybody want Nick Martinez back in free agency? He'll hit
the open market tomorrow. Miguel and Duhar hits the free
agent market tomorrow, Emilio Pagan tomorrow. So in essence, you

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need three relievers to replace at least Pegan Suitor, Barlowe Martinez.
You need it at least somebody to Replaceo Santiago Espinal's
role on this team. That's not an expensive proposition to
do that. You also then need to air quotes add

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the bat. So how does it work unless you were
to move some parts within? And I think that brings
us back to why so much of the offseason speculation
has been about the Reds trading a bat or trading
an arm to somehow get a bat. Either a direct
trade arm for bat or I'll give you this arm,

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give us a prospect, and I'll take the money I
freed up to get a bat. Is that Hunter Green?
Is that Nicola Dolo? Is that Andrew Rabbit? Is that
Brady Singer? I bring this up simply to set the

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conversation up for the off season, because this is this
is where they are. They established that yesterday when Nick
Krawl divulged, the payroll is going to be around what
it was a year ago. That was the final piece
in the puzzle. Well, it was the largest piece of
the puzzle. And then today three pieces became clear. Hayes out,
suit Her out, Barlow out. Tomorrow five more pieces become

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clear when Martinez and do Her, mal Pegan and Lttel
become free agents. Then the process of all right, I
know who's gone, I know who's here. I know how
much money I have. How the heck am I gonna
do this? Let's go out to the phones. We uh

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head to Hamba. Let me go to Mainville. Hey, John,
you're on seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 6 (22:49):
Hey, how you doing land?

Speaker 4 (22:50):
I'm okay, how about you?

Speaker 7 (22:52):
Oh not that at all?

Speaker 6 (22:53):
Hey, I call when I heard this conversation, big Red
Span and I believe in this.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
You are love and respected just.

Speaker 6 (23:03):
Like a Marty Brunneman, because you guys lay it out there,
you tell the truth, and I think people respect that.
So when we hear with little bit you got it
and I just looked up a little bit ago the Reds,
I think they're worth one point three billion. They made
three twenty three hundred and twenty five million last year.

Speaker 8 (23:23):
And then we hear Crawl come out.

Speaker 6 (23:25):
With these parameters for a budget by ownership, and I'd
appreciate and I know you tell the truth. Like we said,
don't you think it all starts with their? That if
ownership doesn't make a better, bigger commitment to what we need,
then I mean players like Swarber and even competing with

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the higher teams in the National League, much less the
whole league is just a fantasy. I mean, I think
it all starts with their and yeah, commitment there, I
mean it we gotta work.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
I agree with that from this standpoint. If if you
after after tearing this down in twenty twenty two, to
rebuild it, and I understood why they did it, and
they got rid of a lot of players, and they
got a lot of young prospects. But if by the
start of twenty twenty six, I maintain, if your roster
isn't good enough at that point, your obligation then is
to expand your payroll to make up the difference.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
It's not to say, well, we're just.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Gonna have to make it work, because if you don't
have enough of talent assembled and developed four years after
you tore it down, that can't be explained away by
this is all the money we have. That has to
be if it means going to your partners and saying
cash call. We've made a lot of money on this
product over the years. We need an infusion of cash

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because we have to raise this payroll that.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
I'll be damned, they have to do that.

Speaker 6 (24:52):
Absolutely, that's what I wanted to hear from you. You
were saying that earlier this year, when we were just
talking about.

Speaker 9 (24:58):
That, and you were saying putting it out.

Speaker 6 (25:00):
They're like, hey, look, this team, talent wise, it's just
not good enough.

Speaker 10 (25:05):
No.

Speaker 11 (25:06):
And if that's the case, and you know that, and
that's the reality, if you want to win, then the
basic thing is you have to go out, put up
a little more money and get better talent.

Speaker 6 (25:16):
That's how you compete. I mean, ever since we were
in Little League, the team's what the better players won.

Speaker 5 (25:22):
That's just the way it is.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
John, I enjoyed this. Thank you for calling, and thank
you for the kind words.

Speaker 9 (25:29):
Absolutely absolutely have a great night.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
I get fired up about this, and I'm very obviously
passionate about this because it just it shouldn't be this way.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
And I get it.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
I get there's a much bigger picture to all of this,
including the pending labor situation and what may happen after
twenty twenty six, and I get the Diegers spend a
lot of money, and the Mets spending.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
I get all of that. I'm not denying any of that.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I'm just saying that if you tore it down and
got rid of everybody from Suarez to Castillo on down
to rebuild it, and then went twenty twenty three, twenty four,
twenty five and into twenty six, if your young guys

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haven't developed to make you good enough, and if you
don't have the prospect currency that's on the verge, be
it Hector Rodriguez or Edwin Arroyo or Chase Petty or others,
then the answer can't be woe is us. The answer
has to be, Wow, We're gonna have to do something

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that we might make us a little bit uncomfortable, but
we have an obligation to expand our payroll because right
now we're not going to be good enough because we
haven't done a good enough job in a number of
areas scouting, drafting, developing and all. By by the way,

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our president of Baseball Operations put us on the hook
for forty five million dollars to Jamer Candelario, who we
still owe sixteen million dollars too. That's not my fault.
That's not your fault. That's their fault, and their fault.
Having sixteen millions still owed to Jamer Candelario shouldn't fall

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on you and me to deal with that in the
twenty twenty six season as a well, they just didn't
have enough to work with.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Sorry, I reject that.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevallet, seven hundred WLW.
I think one of the big hang ups in laying
this out is the Nick Martinez contract, because I think
the thought is that Nick Martinez becoming a free agent
means they have his money to spend. They've got twenty

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one million. Well, yeah, it takes the two twenty one
million off the books, but that money is basically earmarked
for the raises on all the guys who are arbitration eligible.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
And I'll try to again try to keep this simple.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
It's tough to do because it gets very complicated, But
look at it this way. This group of players, they're
all eligible for raises. They're going to get raises in arbitration.
This group twelve players, Brady Singer, Nicolodolo, TJ. Friedel, Spencer Steer,
Tyler Stevenson, Gavin Lux Matt McClain, Will Benson, Sam Mall,

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Tony Santion, Graham Ashcraft, Brandon Williamson. That group of twelve
players made twenty five million this year. They're projected to
make this coming season forty seven million dollars because they're
all due raises. So right there, that's the Nick Martinez money.

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It's not free to spend on new guys. It's money
that's going to the raises of the current guys. Now,
not all those twelve have to be offered a contract.
I don't think they'll offer will Benson a contract. I
don't think they'll offer Sam Malla contract. That only saves
three million. That means the rest of the group is

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still going to get a raise of nineteen million. For example, TJ.
Friedel made seven hundred and fifty thousand this year. He's
projected to make close to five million this coming season.
Spencer Steer made seven hundred and fifty thousand. He will
make an arbitration about four and a half million. Brady

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Singer made eight point seven million this year. He's projected
to get a raise to eleven point nine million. Tyler
Stevenson made four point nine He's going to get a
raise up to about six and a half million. Tony
Santion made seven hundred and fifty thousand, He's gonna get

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a raise up to about two and a half million.
So all of that Martinez money that looks free when
he leaves is already ear marked. If you're looking at
Nick krawl spreadsheet, that's ear marked for that group of
players who are going to make a gigantic raise as

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a group. So we're back to the original point and
the challenge. If you're Nick Krawl, how the heck do
I take an eighty three win team have the same
amount of money to spend, but I have to replace Hayes, Suitor, Barlow, Martinez,
Pegan and douhr Lattel Espinal and find the elusive bat

(30:50):
to improve the team.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
That that that is a challenge. I don't know the answer,
Salem Burke, Joe, what.

Speaker 9 (31:05):
Do you know?

Speaker 8 (31:07):
I know the answer Lands.

Speaker 12 (31:08):
If the Cassaloonias are broke billionaires, they should sell the team.
They should maybe borrow some money against their billion dollar
team to make payroll. The biggest Lion sports is small
market team because there are no broke billionaires, and if
you're two broke, we're not even talking about compete with
the Dodgers, Yankees and the Mets. Lance McAllister, we're talking

(31:29):
about competing with the Brewers and the Partinals, and we
can't do that.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (31:35):
Yeah, if I had to stay in this, if I
got to moose somebody, I can get the most for
Freedom and Steer, and you hope Marte continues to develop.
And I don't know if that if they can trade
those two, they can offer Bencent a little money. But
it really aggravates me that billionaires pretend they're broke, and
it's the biggest line in all sports.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Well what we what we ultimately what we ultimately don't know?
That leads to the frustration is and I know there's
projections out there of revenues and that doesn't take into account.
I think that's an oversimplified process. But nobody has ever
opened up the books in Major League Baseball. It's the
biggest issue with the players union, their claims of you

(32:16):
guys say you don't have money, prove it, show us
your books, And no major league team has to show
you the books. So it's all like it's like the
Wizard of Oz hiding behind the curtain.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
I thank you for the call he dropped off.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
But yeah, that's the ultimate unknown. And yet I'll go
back to the sense of obligation. I believe you have
to have as an organization to say, if we are
not better positioned four years into this, then it's incumbent

(32:54):
upon us to get out of our comfort zone and more.
And if that means telling limited partners, hey, we need
We've made a nice chunk of money over the years,
we need some more for the kiddie, then that's what
it has to be. Otherwise you force your fans to say, well,

(33:16):
wait a minute. If what you had last year was
eighty three wins and these players are now gone and
you're gonna spend the same amount of money, then how
are you going to convince me you can be better
in twenty twenty six. Now their thought would be if

(33:37):
I were them, I'd say, well, Ellie's gonna be better,
and I would say Spencer Steer is gonna be better.
And I'd say with another year, Chase Burns will be better,
and Ret Louder is gonna be better.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
The problem is.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
This organization doesn't have enough guys. One doesn't have enough talent.
I'm gonna say that to im blowing the face two.
As a result, they don't have enough players you can
count on that are known commodities. The easiest thing, the
best thing for an organization that has prospects is prospects
are young, they're inexpensive, and you can sell them as

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hope to your fan base, but you can't count on
the production. There's gonna be hits, and there's gonna be
a lot of misses, more misses than hits in most cases.
This team doesn't have enough guys that you could write
down if I said, tell me what they're gonna do
in twenty twenty six, that you'd feel good writing down
their numbers, putting them in an envelope and sliding them

(34:37):
into a desk drawer and say, let's look at this
on October the first, and see how close we came.
There aren't enough players on this team you can book
their production.

Speaker 9 (34:50):
That.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
In fact, I would argue the guy who's production you
can predict best on this entire roster is Brady Singer,
Because for four straight years Brady Singers made basically thirty
starts on one hundred and fifty innings. Show me a
more consistent producer on this roster than that I don't

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even know who I'd say would be next on the
list of bankable production. We've got another hour to go.
I'm starting to break into a sweat. I kind of
like this conversation because it's baseball conversation on a warm
day in November. Want to join us? What have we
left out? Five one, three, seven, four nine, seven thousand, one,

(35:32):
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Speaker 1 (35:48):
The following takes place between eight pm and nine pm.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Eight oh seven, seven hundred WLW r L Carrier Sports
Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. Man, Fast and Furious. First hour, Man,
do we get into some stuff. I want to do
more on the Reds in this hour as well. By
the way, we were discussing this at lunch yesterday. I
love creative promotions and giveaways and it is the it

(36:23):
is the wave around around sports. And I was reading
a story in The Athletic last week and I brought
it up at lunch yesterday and man, we brainstormed on it.
But the idea of the story in the Athletic was
that attending an NHL game is so incredibly pricey and
some games are more attractive than others, so teams use
giveaways to kind of goose the gate. A marketing trick

(36:44):
is in all sports, and they put together a list
of the most creative giveaways this year. In the NHL,
they're doing the Washington Capitals are doing a Alex Ovechkin
is the NHL's all time leading score and he has
a gap between his front teeth and they are giving
away a Alex Ovechkin floss holder. It's his head and

(37:09):
the gap in his teeth is where the floss comes out.
That is a giveaway this year. But the Washington Capitals,
the Blue Jackets last week gave away a trick or
Treat pillowcase for kids before Halloween.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Especially designed.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
It had Blue Jackets and logo and that was to
be used taking out as the trick or Treat pillowcase
on Halloween. The Buffalo Sabers this year are doing a
butter dish. A lot of teams around the holidays will
do like a gravy boat giveaway. The Sabers are doing
a butter dish a giveaway. The Capitals are also doing
a Goalies oven mit it's a reversible oven Mit like

(37:42):
a goalie Mit, only it's an oven mint, which is
a really cool idea. What we were thinking at lunch
yesterday about some of the coolest giveaways and promotional nights
over the years, and one that immediately came to mind
was I think Peyton still has hers. Remember when the
Reds did Ryan Freeol dirty T shirt giveaway night in

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honor of Brian Friel and his hustle and all out play.
It was a T shirt. It was a Red's T
shirt that was white with the Reds logo on it,
but it had like dirt over a portion of it
in the design to make it look like a Ryan Friol,
you know, all out hustle, diving head first T shirt giveaway.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Does anybody remember at Riverfront in the seventies, the Reds
for years did a Farmer's Night and that included farming
activities before the game, and it involved Reds players And
I'm trying to decide if trying to remember if it

(38:44):
involved the other teams players who wanted to participate, but
I cleitarly remember like Reds dressed up in like overalls
before the game and there was like a cow milking
contest there was an egg toss contest. I don't think
I'm making that up. I'm pretty sure I remember that
as a kid at Riverfront Stadium Farmer's Night. The coolest
giveaway as a kid at Riverfront was bat Day because

(39:07):
they gave away a real, legitimate Louisville slugger bat. My
prize possession was the red one with George Foster's signature
on the ending gold. Remember in recent years the Reds
did the the Brons and Arroyo hair giveaway. It was
the hat and then it had his flowing locks attached

(39:30):
to the back of it.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
That was fantastic.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
I think probably one of the it may be the
coolest promotional nights would be in the college ranks at
Taylor University. Taylor University is in Upland, Indiana, and I'm
gonna say that's Division three. Their basketball team every year
does a Silent Night game and the students show up,

(39:59):
and this is right around Christmas, obviously, and on this night,
everybody in attendance is silent until Taylor scores the tenth
point of the night and then the game stops. I
think I'm getting most of this correct. I maybe a

(40:19):
little bit off on the minor details, but the game
stops or maybe it continues and everybody begins singing Silent Night.
As one watch the YouTube video, it is fantastic. Obviously

(40:42):
the among the worst. If I'd say it is the worst.
The promotional night gone wrong would be Disco Demolition in
nineteen seventy nine at Comiskey Park in Chicago. The White
Sox and I want to say that Tigers that night.
And it was the idea of the White Sox in
Bill Veck, in conjunction with Steve Dahl, the legendary radio

(41:05):
man in Chicago, to have everybody bring a disco record
that night. And I think if you brought a disco record,
you got in I don't know if you got in free,
you got a discounted ticket. And they collected all the
disco records, the forty five's, the albums, and they put
them in a big giant box and it was a
double header that night.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
Now I think was it between games of the double header.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Maybe they put them in a giant box and they
blew them up, I mean blew them up, and all
hell broke loose and people went nuts, and they were
celebrating the Disco Demolition night and they started storming the field,
and they started climbing the foul poles, and they started
climbing over the outfield walls onto the fields. And there

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was smoke everywhere from the explosion of records, and they
had been drinking heavily. And the White Sox wound up forfeiting.
If I remember this correctly, it was a doubleheader. The
White Sox wound up forfeiting the second game. They couldn't
control the crime and get everybody off the field. Oh,

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the one that was mentioned at lunch yesterday, and this
is a recent one that I'd forgotten about. The Reds
did a Dusty Baker toothpick bobblehead, remember it was.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
It was Dusty and he had it. It came with
a toothpick in his mouth.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
I used one of the giveaways during the day as
a kid, because batting glove giveaway was as cool as
it got. And I would take the batting glove white
with red trim and the Red's logo on it, and
I would use it during the games, and I would
put it in my back pocket after like a walk,

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and I'd have it like flop out of the back
of the pocket because I thought when I ran real fast.
You'd see my batting glove flopping like I was really
fast and really cool. I think Ricky Henderson may was
doing that as well. I remember Batting Glove Day. I
think Batting Glove Day and bat Glove Day were my
two favorite giveaways. I'll never forget the Farmers Night promotion.

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I wish the Yankees have done this for years. The
Yankees do an Old Timers Day and they bring back
former players and they play a game like a three
inning game before the regular schedule game. I would love
for the Reds to do that in some way, shape
or form. The Brewers last year introduced a home run

(43:35):
derby involving former players before a game, and they had
picked a couple of former Brewers to pick their teams.
They had a group of I'm gonna say twenty former
Brewers come back and the two captains each picked ten
on their team in a draft, and they had a
home run derby before the game featuring former Brewers, which

(43:56):
was really cool. I was googling earlier today the Nationals
and I don't remember this. The Nationals one night did
a Bryce Harper Chia pet head giveaway. It was Bryce
Harper's head, no helmet, It was his head and it

(44:17):
was a ch chachia. It was a chia pet that
you would grow when adding water to Bryce Harper's head.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Now that's a giveaway.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
The Twins ones did Joe Mauer went through a time
their Catcher where he grew his sideburns really long, and
it was like the look that Joe Mauer look was
long side burns. The Twins did a Joe Mauer sideburns
giveaway night. I think it came with a Twins hat
and the sideburns on the side. And then there was

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one more that came up at lunch yesterday during our
conversation because it's a recent one, and kudos to the
Yankees for pulling it off. This year, they did a
George Casta a bobblehead giveaway that was him sleeping under
a desk. If you remember the episode when he was
working for the Yankees, he discovered a compartment. He created
a compartment under his desk in the Yankee offices where

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he could crawl underneath take a nap, and there was
a little compartment built for the I think the clock
he would set the alarm to be able to get
up at the end of the day and go home.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
And he had a.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Pillow, and the Yankees created a bobblehead of the desk
with George Costanza under the desk with his pillow and
the alarm clock and gave it away. Fantastic promotional giveaway.
All right, so let's let's grab some more calls in
this hour on the reds ummm and more. Let's take

(45:46):
a time out him a little bit late in this hour,
and then we'll grab Tony and Larry and William and Jeff.
All ahead. Thanks for hanging out tonight. We got we
gotta hustle forty three minutes till till Dan Carroll. Tonight's
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Speaker 4 (46:10):
Twenty two, seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Thanks to Mike Off email who said, in two thousand
and six or thereabouts, the minor league team, the Western
Michigan white Caps, I believe it is the Western Michigan
white Caps held a promotional night where they had a
helicopter drop one thousand dollars and it was in various bills, ones, fives, tens,
towards whatever, and and had had the fans either I

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think it was after the game, all on the field
and then the helicopter flew over, dropped it and it
became a free for all. Grab as much as you
can and that was your your take home price for
the night. Now that is a promotional night. Let's go
back to the phones. How about uh, well me go
to lovelyt Hey, Tony, welcome to seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 8 (46:55):
For well. I hate to correct the host.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
They like to say.

Speaker 7 (47:00):
Ork's foster bat day was a black bat with the
singerture in gold.

Speaker 8 (47:04):
I sent you a picture of it on Facebook.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
So I had. I had a red one that was somebody.
You know what. I had multiple bat days now I
think of it. You're exactly right.

Speaker 7 (47:16):
Yeah, I sent a picture you on Facebook and uh
my h let's just say my sister.

Speaker 8 (47:21):
Took it to the sidewalk. Its back in half.

Speaker 7 (47:23):
I had a buddy of mine, fine one at a
at a sports show and I just got just got
a back last week, so I have I had.

Speaker 8 (47:31):
The bat back.

Speaker 7 (47:31):
So yeah, and another thing to uh Cincinnati Stingers ponchhow
night you remember the Pan show Knight from the Stingers?
Oh Willow the yellow yes rain jackets, I do.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
I wore that to school.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
I doh, my gosh, you're flashing me back. I absolutely
remember that.

Speaker 8 (47:50):
And I got one more fan the top ya.

Speaker 7 (47:52):
Yes, when Joe Morgan had his number retired, uh, at
that game, they were handing out these collages pictures.

Speaker 8 (47:59):
I went to a signing for Morgan and he looked
at it. He goes, what is this. I said, well, that's
to you.

Speaker 7 (48:04):
They hand those out when they when you retired your number.
And he said really, and so he signed to that.
Said I have another one if you want it. He goes, yeah,
call this number on Monday.

Speaker 8 (48:15):
I want it.

Speaker 7 (48:16):
And so, long story short, he told me come to
his car dealership and he had an autographed bat waiting
for me in exchange for that COLOSSI.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
Oh my gosh, that's a great story.

Speaker 8 (48:27):
Wow, love the show, Lancy, that great topic here.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Thank you, Tony, have a great night. I can't believe
I'm flashing back. I bet I have a photo somewhere
of that Stinger's rain jacket or oh my, I can't
believe I forgot about that one.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
You know what, I don't have it.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
It's a recent one and I would put it among
the coolest the Reds have ever done. I don't have
the Marty Brenneman transistor radio that they gave away on
his final broadcast day, one of the coolest giveaways. The
rights of it or done a miniature transistor radio, and
I don't.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
I don't know where it is. I don't know how
I lost it.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Probably find it on eBay somewhere, probably cost an arm
and a leg, but I do not have that. Wilmington
we Go. Hey William, welcome to seven hundred WLW Good.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
How are you doing the city?

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Great? Welcome to the show.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
Good, thank you.

Speaker 14 (49:27):
I've been listening to the program and urge you talking
about salaries and free agency, and what I want to
know is what happened to getting the calculators and the
pencils and pens in the papers out and player evaluation
and scouting and hey, you may not necessarily be able
to get the top knots player, but certainly there's some.

Speaker 5 (49:49):
Diamonds in the rough out there, right, and sit down,
roll your sleeves up, get it the scouts and evaluate
talent and get some talent in here, and let's what
they can do with it.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
They need some diamonds in the rough, There's no question
about that.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Yes, And I think that approach that's been used here
for several years it is obviously not working. Why not
do something like that and get back to some of
the old ways of doing things and make things happen.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yeah, at least if not that trying to copy somebody
who's doing it well in Major League Baseball, be it
the Tampa Bay Rays or somebody like that.

Speaker 5 (50:33):
Absolutely, yeah, I think that's what needed to be done.
So thank you for taking my call. I enjoyed talking
with you.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
I certainly appreciate your call, and I enjoyed talking with you.
Who doesn't enjoy talking baseball on a Tuesday night or
Wednesday night in October it was like seventy degrees today
or whatever it was Westchester we go, Hey, Jeff, welcome
to Sports Talk.

Speaker 8 (50:56):
Hey, Lance.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
Enjoyed the show.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
As always, Thank you.

Speaker 15 (51:00):
Great topic. Maybe an idea of a promotion was to
bring some of the older Reds versus some of the
older older Bengals.

Speaker 8 (51:12):
Game.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Oh hey, I kind of like I like celebrity softball games. Absolutely,
and you could have former players, yeah, I kind of
like that.

Speaker 15 (51:20):
And the other idea was to bring back some former
bear Cats basketball and some former Xavier basketball guys and
again a softball game.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
I will put that on my list. I like that,
I I like I like promotional ideas. I like giveaway
ideas and anything that can add to the experience at
the at the game.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
I am all in Jeff, have a great night. Oh
go ahead, thank you.

Speaker 15 (51:46):
Getting back to the red, I think the reason they
released that payroll information today, I think they're beginning to
set the uh, not the excuse, but to set the
scenario for the season going forward.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
It it definitely has become the tone setter over the
last twenty four hours. I think unfortunately for them, it's
become the tone setter because I think it's started to
sync in with a lot of fans what exactly it means.

Speaker 15 (52:13):
And you know, three years ago they had what was it,
the second top farm system in.

Speaker 8 (52:18):
All of baseball.

Speaker 15 (52:20):
Yes, we're where the hell are all those guys at now?

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Yes, some have some have hit, some have struggled. For
each Ellie that's kind of hit. There's been a Matt
McClain who struggled with injuries. There's been a Chase Petty
who took a step back. There's Edwin Arroyo who's not
quite ready and it's been it's a Christian incarnasio own
Strand who's a miss It's a Marte who's a little exciting.

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So it's a little bit of this and a little
bit of that, but it doesn't add up to be
it enough.

Speaker 15 (52:49):
And you know, I think the only guy right now
that would bring something back.

Speaker 8 (52:56):
Would be their number one Stuart.

Speaker 15 (52:58):
And you know he's missed every bits and pieces of
every season he's been here, and you were talking about,
you know, playing consistently. He's probably of the starters. He's
probably the most unreliable, but but.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
Maybe the best talented.

Speaker 15 (53:14):
And maybe he's at a point in time his career
where his feeling is about as high as going to be.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I think, yeah, I think the argument can be made
if you lined up all if you lined up Lodolo, Abbott, Green,
and Singer right now that if major league executives around
the league could pick one, they'd pick Hunter Green.

Speaker 15 (53:33):
Yes, and maybe maybe he brings you back multiple players
who can start next year help turn this thing around.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Hey, thanks for checking in tonight. Let's do it again sometime.
You take care, all right, thank you? All right, I've
very much enjoyed this conversation. I got all worked up,
started to break into a sweat at times, but I
very much enjoyed the conversation and let's continue it after
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(54:08):
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Facebook page. Lancemacallister Sports Talk as well. By the way,
shout out to uh David Shannon and everybody involved with
the Gone but not Forgotten MLB Unmarked Graves project. We've

(54:29):
talked with Dave in the past with one of their projects,
and basically what they do there are there are players
who have passed away and and and been buried over
the years without with an unmarked grave, and the the
passion behind David Shannon's project is to recognize those players

(54:53):
and they they do that by raising funds for the
headstone installation and they do a ceremony. They've done that
with I think four different players through this project. Their
most recent one was Edward. It's a great nickname Edward
Icicle Reader. Now I have not found the story behind

(55:13):
the nickname Icicle, but Edward Icicle Reader was the subject
of the latest ceremony in a headstone installation. It took
place at Spring Grove Cemetery over the weekend, I believe
it was. And he was a former Major League player,
former Red He was buried in nineteen thirteen, placed in

(55:36):
an unmarked grave. He was born in Cincinnati in eighteen
fifty eight. He died in Cincinnati in nineteen thirteen. Played
in the Reds minor league system for several years and
played with them in eighteen eighty four for just a
handful of games. But this project likes hontering players who

(55:59):
are in unmarked graves or have an unmarked grave, and
they've done it for Paul Deringer, the Reds Hall of Famer.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
So just a shout out.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
They've got a Facebook group if you want more information
on Gone but not Forgotten MLB Unmarked Graves project and
the latest Edward Icicle Reader.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
Well done, everybody. One more promotion. I was there.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
The Chicago White Sox did a promotion back in nineteen ninety.
I covered this. We went from South Bend up to
a Comiskey at the time to cover this game, and
it was a turn back the clock game where everybody,
all the players wore nineteen seventeen uniforms both teams. The
ticket prices were dropped in nineteen seventeen prices. The scoreboard,

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the elector scoreboard was turned off, the PA system was
turned off, and they announced the players on a megaphone.
Down on the field now batting for the light sock shirt.
Stop Ozzie Gian through a megaphone, and it was all
turning back to nineteen seventy. It was a really cool
promotional day. It was an afternoon game at Comiskey parkin
I did a story on that for for Channel twenty

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two WSBT TV at the time. Back out to the phones,
how about let me go here, Hey Larry, welcome to
sports Talk.

Speaker 5 (57:19):
Hey Lan, say you damn buddy.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
I'm well when you talk to Reds, thank you.

Speaker 10 (57:25):
In my memory, I'm not I don't recall them signing
any good free agents. Dave Parker is the only one
comes to my mind.

Speaker 8 (57:34):
I have more bust.

Speaker 10 (57:35):
Than anything on the free agent so I'm kind of
skiddy on free agents. Going back to Eric Milton and.

Speaker 16 (57:42):
Oh but if you want to get something, you got
to give up some so you know, go back in time,
they traded skirts still, well got Danny Jackson. Yes, I've
made some trades with the Padres and got some pitch
and gave up everybody. Didn't want to give up Alonzo

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and all them that.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
Yes we got.

Speaker 10 (58:08):
We gave up Willie Mole for Arroyo. That seemed to
work out pretty good. I like trading more than free agency.
But if the Reds decided to go that way, they're
not that far off. And what I mean by that,
we're loaded with young pitchers. We're loaded with some decent prospects.
And I think the Reds did this under Homer Bailey's

(58:30):
contract with the Dodgers. Is they gave up some a
young player and they threw in Bailey's contract or got
them to eat the contract. Yes, that's what the Reds
need to do with Candelario.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
I'd be willing to give up a top prospect.

Speaker 10 (58:47):
To get under we're more money.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
But remember Larry, he's no longer here at all. They
completely and totally released him. He's at home and they
have to pay him thirteen million dollars this year.

Speaker 10 (59:01):
Well, that that's why I said, they've got to be creative.
But you can throw that in even like a hunter
Green give him up.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Well, but but but there's they have to pay. There's
there's no way they can get somebody to take Candelario's
thirteen million dollars, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
I thought they I thought.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
No, he's he's not. He's not a part of the
team anymore. They released it.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Yeah, right, so he's gonna sit at home. He may
play minor leagues with somebody, but the Reds only no
matter what happens.

Speaker 10 (59:34):
Yeah, Well, I would rather see him be uh more
creative than going out and doing the free agent market,
because I just don't think it fits well with the
Red's history and with what we've got coming back in house.

Speaker 5 (59:50):
As far as pitching.

Speaker 10 (59:51):
Uh, I can see us doing that in house if
the guys are healthy like Williamson, Aguilar and no. Yep,
I like Lodolo in.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
The starting rotation.

Speaker 10 (01:00:05):
But I think with his leicster history and injury, I
think he'd be one heck of a bullpen guy along
with Sanchion and Ashtraft at the end. Uh kind of
not a left he dominated, but right, he dominated nasty boys. Uh,
and you can build that within You've got Richardson, You've

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got Phillips, yep uh, some arms in there. That all
that money you're saving from the free agents that walks,
you won't have to eat as much of that money
to sign people, and that would free up more money
to allow to get free market.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Hey, Larry, I got a scoot. Let's talk Reds again
this offseason. All right, all right, all right, appreciate you
check it in. Yet, you know he he brings up
a point about free agency, Dave Parker, you could argue
one of the greatest, maybe the greatest freegent signing in
the history of the franchise. Here's some context on their
free agent free agency history. The most money they have

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committed to a free agent to bring here somebody on
another team who was a free agent that they signed.
The most money they've committed is sixty four million dollars.
Remember Ken Griffey Junior was a trade. They gave Nick
Costianos sixty four million to come here. It included an out,

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and he'd left. He exercised the out. After two seasons.
They brought Mustakas here for sixty four million dollars. They
wound up releasing him and being responsible for the remaining
I don't even it'd be too depressing to look up.
I think they had to pay him twenty million to
not play for him, but that's that's the bar. They've

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never spent more than sixty four million dollars on somebody
else's free agent. So I offer that to say, if
you truly leave, based on what I've set up tonight,
they have a snowball chance in hell of bringing Kyle

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Schorber here at five years, one hundred and fifty million.
Let this serve as your reality check. They're not bringing
Kyle Schworber here.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
They're just not scrab Ken and Mason on seven hundred
WLW Hey Ken.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Hey, the Lance Great Show. Has always really loved listening
to everything. Thank you immediately on your you know, I'm
a longtime scout of meeting you. On Kyle Schwarber. He's
going to get two hundred and fifty million Lance in
his next deal is final deal. He'll come to the Reds.
I believe his last two years when he's thirty nine
four years old, but we won't see him till then.

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And he's going to do that as a favor to
his dad. You know, his dad was the police chief
in Middletown for twenty years and his dad runs his
foundation right now in his day. I would love to
see him and his careers are red, but I'm afraid
he's going to be nothing but a DA's a part
time DH. By that point, Lance also wanted to mention

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to you they keep talking about Hunter Green is the
best picture. Hunter Green is not the Red's best picture.
He has phenomenal stuff, but he's not their best picture.
Both Lodolo and Abbit are better pictures than Hunter Green.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
But do you believe it?

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
But do you believe if we were choosing sides on
the playground today and we had thirty major league executives
and we said, all right, which picture are you taking first?
Are you telling me you believe those executives would not
take Hunter Green before they took the other two.

Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
I think there's some gms, but I think most of
the GMS would take Abbott. I think Abbott's the hottest
picture they had. I think he's the guy that people
would want.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
I just can't believe in a day and age where
velocity rules, Andrew Abbott would be selected by GMS over
Hunter Green.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Hunter Green throws a ball in the middle of the
play too much land. That has always been his number one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
How's he had a two and a half earned run
average in the last two seasons.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Lance, It's all spotty, though, if you look at.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
The why not, I mean, how spotty is it? For
two seasons his earned run average has been two fifty six.
I mean that's that's two hundred and fifty seven innings
with a two fifty six earned run average.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
How spotty is that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
I didn't say the kid didn't have great stuff. I
said he's hissed. Consistency is not there, Lances.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Well, Andrew Abbott missed the first two months of last
season and missed the season before. So I don't understand
what your what your.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
Yeah, Soldier.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
So we're back to my original point of the three.
I think any executive would take Hunter Green over the
other two.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Well, I'll tell you who they'd really want his burns? Well,
maybe maybe what's that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Maybe we we just we've we've seen him for forty
major league innings.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
I can't say I haven't seen enough.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Oh, I mean, the kid, without using his legs yet,
throws one hundred and two miles an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Well, but you he told me that Velocity wasn't everything,
that Hunter Green just through hard.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
No, you're mentioning that, I'm saying, without using his legs,
that boy is throwing one hundred and two miles an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
I mean, well, okay, but back to the original point, then,
do you want to trade Chase Burns. I don't understand
how Burns comes into the equation.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
It depends how badly Lance they want a power hitter.
They're going to have to give up Hunter Green or
Burns or Lodolo or Ague.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
We agree on that, yes, absolutely agree.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
And when they look at their payroll, you immediately have
to subtract fifteen million for Jammer Candelario's So when they
tell you what their budget is, that counts Jamber Candelario
in there too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Yes, thirteen million this year plus a three million buyout
that probably for bookkeeping purposes, goes on the twenty twenty
seven payroll.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
And that that really hurts them too from the get go.
I mean, I don't see any way forward for the
Reds if they're not going to spend any more than
last year. You brought that up brilliantly, you know in
your shows over the last month that They're not willing
to spend more money.

Speaker 8 (01:06:02):
It's not going to happen, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
I you know right now, I know the Yankees and
the Dodgers are very interested in Pegant, you know, and
I'm sure they're going to offer you know, Emilia more
than the Reds are.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Yeah, I don't see any said, I've seen projections of
anywhere from one year ten million to two years twenty
two for Pegan. I can't see the Reds being able
to commit either one of those numbers for next year
in this bullpen.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
I just can't. There's there's not money to go around
to cover that well.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
And I know for a fact that Dodgers or Yankees
would love to have him, you know. And Santion, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
I'm really worried about his workload and how it affects
his twenty twenty sixth season.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
I am too, you know, he's got a history of
back problems, you know. And I think Santion pitched more
than anybody in baseball this year, if I'm I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Right at that. Yeah, eighty eighty appearances.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
You know, and the kid had a great year for
the Reds. Honestly, he really did.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Yeah, I mean close are good, and they'll probably be
forced into pushing him more into the closure role with that,
without Pegan. It's just I mean, I just, I'm really
when guys have a workload, you know this, when guys
have a workload like Barlow had, when like Santion had,
there is a carryover effect of the next season. And
just relievers are so volatile to begin with, you just

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can't predict what the workload impact is going to be, like, you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Know, And in terms of big hitters, the Reds are
probably gonna do what they did the past season with
the Hayes kid, Austin Hayes, get him, you know, for
a song, you know, and he's gonna get more money,
There's sure. Obviously he's gonna get a lot more money.
He proved when he's healthy he's still a pretty good,
pretty good at batman. The Reds are probably gonna try
to find another guy like Hayes and get him for

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a song.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Probably the only route they go. Can I am way late,
Let's do it again throughout the off season.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
All right, all right, Lancelot, but appreciate check it in.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
In fact, I was looking at look at somebody's list
of the top fifty free agents projected salaries. This may
have been the athletic This is the pool they'll be
swimming in for the bat. Mike Yastremsky I saw projected
at a one year maybe eleven million dollars. Reyese Hoskins
one year ten million, Josh Bell one year eight million,
Cedric Mullens one year eleven million. Those are the type

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of salaries, years and dollars of the pool they'll be
swimming and looking for that air quotes again bat this offseason. Heck,
it may be Austin A's. It's something less than a
twelve million. They declined the option on. Ultimately, down the stretch,
we'll go. RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevalet
seven hundred ww all right down the stretch we go.

(01:08:46):
Got a hustle news in three minutes, Dan Carroll. After that,
let me grab Danny and Taylor Mill. Danny, welcome to
Sports Talk.

Speaker 9 (01:08:55):
Hey, thanks for taking the call. Sure, just real quick. Yeah,
that's he had a lot of information, But I would
agree with you if he's paying attention. Hunter Green, I
think it's going to be one healthy will be one
of the top five pitchers in baseball next year and

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if if you haven't noticed, his command of his fastball
has gotten better, no doubt the last three years. It's
it's been unbelievable, no doubt. It's like the light and
you I'm just thinking he's going to refine it that
much more. He gets stronger as he gets older. Guy,
he's taught. That's what they said about him three years ago.

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He throws it over the plate. Now he's not paying
attention in my view. And then the Reds, I think
if to get a back, they are on the verge
of having a pitching staff, a starting five that could
rival potentially with the Braves head in the mid nineties.
I think these guys are that good. From Burns that

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didn't even mention RTT loud, yeah, killing it and Arizona
and then the other three that are up there this year.
I mean, the question is they take one of those
guys and maybe that're a free agent because the guys
you rattled off for that for free agency, I don't know,
if there's a whole heck of a lot better. Yeah,
some of the guys we have, it might it might

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be a trade that has to you know, something like
that with one of their.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Study Yeah, I think the more I think about it,
the more the more I think Nick Crawl is gonna
come to the conclusion in order to get the bat,
I'm gonna have to trade something off of my books
that somebody wants that I can use to get a bat.
And I don't see a way around that.

Speaker 9 (01:10:38):
And if it's going to be one of those, you know,
one of the crown jewels as they say, you know,
I think that's that's probably risk worth taking. Yeah, you know,
you give you give one set up, hopefully still got four.
But somebody wants that guy, you know, like Abbott Lefty.
I mean, there'll be a lot of takers. It'll be interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
If you're gonna make a deal, you've got to deal
from a surplus to fill anee and that would be
dealing an arm to get a bat.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
So, hey, Danny, I got a run, buddy. My time
is up. Books talk again, all right, all right, thank you?
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Final note, man, I could use that extra hour tonight.
I wish we had that other hour to continue the conversation.
You know, on this date twenty fifteen. What happened this
date twenty fifteen, Andy Dalton connects with Tyler Eifert for
three touchdowns. On Thursday Night football at Paul Brown Stadium.
The Bengals beat the Browns thirty one to ten. The
Bengals sack Johnny Manzel three times, and the Bengals record

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moved to eight and oh for the first time in
franchise history. This date ten years ago tonight, how about that, man.
I really enjoyed the Reds conversation. I'm not sure I
really enjoy the reality of the situation, but I enjoyed
talking about it, and I appreciate you being a part
of it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
Join us tomorrow night.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
We'll do the roundtable show from Long next in Hebron
I'm with Rocky six to eight. The News is next,
and then Dan Carroll. Thanks to Joe Whatell for producing.
Thanks to you for listening. This is been rn L
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