11/3/25 - Bengals Line - Lance McAlister

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Get it going on this Monday night. If it's Monday,
it must be Bengals Line. Three hours of conversation, Kevin
your way. We're gonna break down what transpired yesterday and
we'll set you up for the bye week for the Bengals.
We do it on two stations tonight, seven hundred WLW
and ESPN fifteen thirty. Bottom of the r will break
away on seven hundred. For UC basketball, let's get to it.
David was a well, let's see in what order. It

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was a wildly entertaining game that had it all, that
put us on an emotional roller coaster that was ultimately
frustrating and disappointing. And all defer to Zach who said, simply,
I can't believe it, because I think a lot of
people at that moment, and he'd been waking up this morning,
we're saying I can't believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, I'm one of those guys. I'm waking up raising
my hand, can't believe it. I mean, you talk about
a lot of things happening during the course of a
football game, you know, some very very good and some
very very ugly. That was a roller coaster, that was
a wild ride yesterday. And the Chicago Bears, you have

(01:26):
the two quarterbacks played so well. I mean they both
had a quarterback rating of over one hundred, one hundred
point four. For Joe Flacco, he completed almost seventy five
percent of his passes, almost three out of four, four
hundred and seventy yards, four touchdowns, and then two costly interceptions.
Williams was even better, I mean two hundred and ninety yards,

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three touchdowns, no interception, quarterback rating of over one fourteen.
That's what the Chicago Bears felt like they had drafted
as the first pick in the draft. That's what he
showed he could do at USC when he won a
Heisman Trophy. So their quarterback ended up winning the football
game with his performance and Unflacco, and unfortunately, Joe Flacco's

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performance came up just a little bit short, and as
a result, it was a losing performance. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
So many times it was referenced by players after the
game the word finish. Yeah, boy, I think many if
you allowed yourself. At forty nine seconds, the touchdown hits
it and I'm immediately thinking, holy cow, they have found
a way to somehow win this game. They're gonna go
onto the Buy with this momentum, right, You're gonna have
Pittsburgh coming out of the Buy and everybody's gonna be

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feeling good. And then four play seventy two yards and
thirty seven seconds and.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
It was just a punch to the gut big time.
Seventy two yards and thirty seven seconds. Man, I mean,
that's that's hard to comprehends. That's hard to do at
any level of football. And the fact that it happens
to the Cincinnati Bengals defense, I mean Al gold And
has to be tearing his hair out by the roots,
there's no question about that. And everybody has to be

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on the defensive side of the football. Offensively, let's face it,
you know, you put up the yards they put up,
you know, over over five hundred yards offense and over
round forty points high thirties. You expect to win that
football game. I mean there's no question that you think, yeah,
this is going our way today. Not quite.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Let's get reaction to what transpired. Immediate reaction after the game.
Here is David with the coach Zach Taylor.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Tear with Bengals head coach Zach Taylor, coach, appreciate you
joining us like you always do. It's it's not easy
after your your team goes out and gives everything they've got,
pours their heart and soul into a football game like
you guys do as well, you and your coaches stop
putting together the game plan and just fall a little

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bit short, high scoring affair. Did you expect that?

Speaker 4 (04:00):
We just expected to win. We're trying to find a
way to win. Everything we put into this week, expected
to walk off this field today with a win. And
it's just that's the way it fell today for us,
and it's unfortunate. We just in a lot of ways
made the plays we needed to make and then in
other ways other phases, we just we have to find
a way. Someone has to step up, someone's got to
get their hand on the ball, someone's got to get

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a turnover.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
And it just hasn't gone our way.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, you mentioned some things that you know, I was
thinking about. Defensively, if you can get a key turnover
at a most opportune time, stop a drive or knock
the ball down, pass deflection, whatever the case may be,
it just seems like the defense is just one step short.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
On many occasions it's been close, you know. And and
again we've can't give up the points. We've given up
the zero turnovers. You know, that's a big deal. With
Chicago's and their wins. They've been plus four, plus three,
plus three, they've always won the turnover battle, and today
they finished plus three. You know, they got three from us,
none none the other way. So we got to find

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a way to get that fixed.

Speaker 6 (05:03):
Someone.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Someone's got to get it done. Someone, the player's got
to step up somewhere and make a play. We working
night and day trying to try to figure out an
answer to give these guys and help them, and we're
going to continue that.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
During the bye week, they had sixteen takeaways coming in,
so that makes it nineteen. After this football game there
were plus eight coming in a turnover ratio that makes
them plus eleven.

Speaker 6 (05:25):
Those numbers are staggering.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yeah, one of them is a hellmery at the other game.
I don't put it much stock into that, but you know,
it's tough, it's it's that's that's a challenging part of
the game. We got to figure out a way to
get some turnovers off people.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
How about physically, do you feel like your football team
came out of the out of the game fairly healthy,
nothing more than just the typical knicks, pumps and bruises.

Speaker 5 (05:48):
Well, see, I think somaj p Ron.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
I know, we got a high ankle spring, you know,
on a hip drop tackle, so that was unfortunate. But
other than that, these guys are I mean, emotionally, they
left it all on the field. I mean, they gave
everything had. It's it's I feel for him because they're
they're fighting for a win, They're trying to give everything
they can to win, and and we just these last
two weeks in particular, falling short. And I'm sick for

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these coaches, these players that that put in this work
and to have these heartbreaking results. We just we got
to find a way to find a win here.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
You're right, that was a hip drop tackle on somehows
your p ryan playing and simple I mean, what the
hell is the guy looking at Why can't he throw
his fight?

Speaker 4 (06:27):
I don't think they are distructed to call it. I
think is probably where they're at and they just find
you afterwards. But that's just my opinion.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
How do you keep them focused? How do you keep them,
you know, in gear in stride to take on the
Pittsburgh Steels after the buy.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah, that's that's that's leadership, you know. It's it is
easy when we've won ten games in a row and
been to a championship game and things are going good.
The hard part of leadership is when you're facing some
real diversity, and so I'm going to embrace that, and
I'm gonna find guys in the locker room that embrace
that as well and don't want to hang their heads,
don't want to plaint fingers. Negativity can creep in if

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you let it from from people that tend to do that,
and so we're not gonna let that happen. We're just
gonna keep fighting. I know, I got a locker room
guys that we'll fight. I just watched it on the field.
It's it's I just watched it. I watched those guys
fight on every single snap, and we're gonna continue.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
To get that. And finally, finally, you do have a
bunch of guys in the locker room that are the leaders.
You know that they aren't gonna quit, they aren't gonna
spit the bit. They're going to give you every ounce
after they've got every single snap a very single football game. Uh.
And you've been a big part of getting those guys
in the locker room. How do you feel about the
rest of the season.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Yeah, we got a lot left to play for and
there's there's eight games left. We got to find a
way to just get that first win and build off that,
and there's still opportunity right in front of us. I
expect us to take advantage of it. I expects us
to come back to work ready to find a way
to do that. And that's that's all we can do
right now. Appreciate your coach as always, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Appreciate Zach Taylor after the game, and now, Dave, with
eight games left. There's still eight game and he's saying
that out loud. There's a lot of games left. But
in addition to the x's and o's challenge, there's got
to be somewhat of a challenge for Zach to keep
everybody on the same page and headed in the right
direction and not scattering at this point.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, it scattering is a good word for it. And
then you know, you get into the danger zone of
finger pointing, you know. I mean the offense here recently
with Joe Flacco at the helm, and it's incredible what
a quarterback over forty years old is doing. What he's
doing for his offensive football team. He has ignited them,
I mean, he's been a spark, he's lifted them. And

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the fact that they're playing well, I mean they're inconsistent.
I think that's probably the biggest way to sum up
the entire football team. Inconsistency. Sometimes play very very well,
you know, for a quarter, for a half, or for
a series or a multiple series, and then just goes away.

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Falls apart. Same thing defensively, although much less, they haven't
played as as consistently well. Uh, they've had more poor
performances on a series by series basis, on a quarter
by quarter basis than the than the the offense has had.
But man, I think inconsistency all the way around offense, defense,
and even Darren Simmons special teams I mean they'll they'll

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make plays and then uh, they'll spit the bit. You know,
they'll they'll give up a big play, they'll give up
a return that is costly and and uh it flips
field position and is a big factor in the outcome
of the football game. So they got to get it
turned around. They got to get it turned around quickly
because they're just about at the halfway point of the
season right now, and you know they're running out of time.

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Is the way, the best way to say.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
And to your point, something good will start to happen,
and then it's one play, one mistake, whether it's a
Dimitri's night junior illegal contact wipes out a sack, or
it's Yoshi who steps out of the back of the
end zone and the next plays the interception, Orlando Brown
first in goal, the personal foul, the the off sides
on the field. Just their their margin of is so small.

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Any mistake becomes magnified and it just becomes really difficult
to overcome.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yeah, no doubt. I mean, their margin ferer is zero.
You know, it's it's like they they they have to
play the perfect game and then there's pressure that comes
along with that, and then the self inflicted pressure that
comes along with that. You don't want to be the guy.
You don't want to be the guy that cost your
football team a game. You don't want to be the
guy that that that cost your football team. You know,

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a series that was going oh so well. You know,
seven plays in the series were great, and then the
eighth play you screwed up and and then the whole
thing falls apart. Yeah, it's a It can be a
it can be a cruel game when you're when you're struggling,
like the Cincinnati Bengals are struggling. I mean, you can
go home and be looking at the ceiling, not not
not being able to sleep at night or close your

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eyes and you're still looking at the ceiling, you know,
not being able to sleep at night. So I'm sure
there that's the thing. There are a lot of guys
in that locker room. We'll go in the locker room
after the game and there are guys that care. You know. There,
it's it's like a it's like a awakened there. You know.
It's man, You're like you're walking into somebody that just
passed and you're you're paying the respects to that person.

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It really is. It's a It can make a lot
of money doing this, There's no doubt. I mean, it's
a great way to make a living, but it can
it can it can break your heart for sure.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
When we continue, we'll talk about the day turned in
by the forty year old Joe Flacco, an unbelievable day,
and based on the circumstances of the week, even more unbelievable.
Will do that as we continue on with Bengals Line
on the Bengals Radio Network seven hundred WLW and ESPN
fifteen thirty. If they're back on Bengals Line on this

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Monday night of the Bengals Radio Networks seven hundred.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
WLW and to ESPN fifteen thirty.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Again or aninder coming up bout of there, we'll break
away on seven hundred for UC basketball. Continue on on
ESPN fifteen thirty. Joe Flacco yesterday thirty one of forty seven,
four hundred and seventy yards, four touchdowns, quarterback grading of
one oh nine point four. Here's QB one after the
game where I'm.

Speaker 7 (12:05):
Normally not even thinking about it and you just flick it.
And there was something about those throws that I actually
struggled with the most today, But.

Speaker 8 (12:13):
Which one of you remind up for a game like
have you ever been a part of a game like
that one?

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (12:17):
Oh yeah, when you've been.

Speaker 7 (12:19):
I mean, we beat Cleveland a couple of years ago
when I was with the Jets in a similar situation,
Nick Chubb Bran ran in for a touchdown to go
up by two scores.

Speaker 6 (12:27):
They missed the extra point.

Speaker 7 (12:29):
We went down and scored with under two minutes left,
got the on side kick, went down and scored again.
Now when we scored, there was probably a little bit
less time on the clock. They still they still did
have a chance. They might have completed a ball to
midfield or something like that, but they didn't have quite
quite as much time. They probably didn't have any time.

Speaker 6 (12:45):
Malts. We ended up winning the game, so very very similar.

Speaker 7 (12:49):
Well, it's tough, you know, I mean, but you know,
anytime you're on the losing end, it's tough.

Speaker 6 (12:55):
I think when you've.

Speaker 7 (12:57):
When you've played a lot of games, it's not the
way you lose doesn't make it any worse necessarily, you know,
I think you learn that these these games come down
to the last minute, and you gotta be ready for anything,
and you know, a win to win, a loss is loss.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Did you start feeling that hope in that game late
in the sport.

Speaker 7 (13:18):
Obviously, when I think when you go down and then
you think what you have is a touchdown and no,
it's incomplete, and then you throw an interception, and obviously
at the time you thought they scored a touchdown, that
was probably that that at that point you probably weren't
thinking too much about it.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
But then when we went down and scored for that.

Speaker 7 (13:37):
You know, when you when you go down and your
score and you make it a one score game, I mean,
anything can happen on tight kicks.

Speaker 6 (13:42):
Not very likely, but who knows.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
You know.

Speaker 7 (13:45):
I think we were down by fourteen and we were
going out there and I said, hey, listen, crazier things
have happened, like to somebody a coach, and I was
standing right there. You know, I think it was a
tight ends coach, and but I think I think, you know,
after maybe there's a little bit of hope after you
score first one, but you're probably at that point. I mean,
I think fans are going through the same thing like
as as players are at that point. So whatever whatever

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you were feeling, and the fans are feeling. We were
probably feeling the same thing.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Said, you know what, are you surprised when you saw
the number?

Speaker 7 (14:13):
You know, I knew we had been climbing up there
at some point because we got so many possessions and
we were really throwing the ball, you know a lot
of the time towards.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
The end of the game, just the nature of the game.

Speaker 7 (14:26):
You don't know how high it is. I mean, I've
never thrown for four hundred in the NFL in my career,
so it's the first time.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
The way the last three games, how do you keep
the frustration.

Speaker 7 (14:36):
Yeah, from seeping among the.

Speaker 9 (14:39):
Offensive players and the way the games are gone.

Speaker 6 (14:43):
So what do we play nine games?

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Now?

Speaker 6 (14:45):
We have eight left.

Speaker 7 (14:48):
If you don't keep your head down and and and
and go to work, then it's going to be a long,
miserable season for you. You can't get distracted, uh and
you can't. You're going to be emotional after a game,
but at some point you got to let that go.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
This is our profession, you know. We we do this for.

Speaker 7 (15:07):
A living, and we take pride in doing it. And
I hope that you would continue to take pride in
doing what you do for a living, no matter what
the outcome is. And yeah, I mean maybe that's easier
said than done, but that's what you got to do,
because you know this leg will eat you up. Then

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it will not be it will not be good. I'm sure.
I'm sure Baltimore isn't sitting there, you know, tucking their
tail between their legs. With the record they have, They're
probably motivated and excited about the opportunity, opportunity.

Speaker 6 (15:42):
That they have going forward. I don't think we can
look at it any different.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
And Dave, all things considered, forty years old, shoulder joint sprain,
limited practice, just an absolutely heroic, gutty performance yesterday from Joe.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
I think that's a great way to put it. Gotty.
I mean, it was courageous. He he laid it all
out there for his football team, There's no doubt about it.
And I think in talking with some of the guys
in the locker room after the game, they realized that
they realized the sacrifice that Joe Flackell made. They realized
that he was playing in pain and that he wanted

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to go out there and win this football game desperately
for the sake of his football team, for the sake
of his teammates, the coaching staff, the head coach, Zach Taylor,
the coordinators Dan Pitcher. I mean they put a lot
into this football game. This was, you know, a targeted game.
This is almost they treated it almost like preparation wise,

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almost like for a playoff game. I mean they were
going to leave no stone unturned in terms of putting
into the game plan what they felt they needed to
do to beat the Chicago Bears, and they came up short.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Let's hit our bottom of aur time out well transition,
you see basketball coming up on seven hundred WLW. We
continue on on ESPN fifteen thirty. We'll get to the
defensive side of things. You'll hear from Dax Hill and
so much more as we roll on with Bengals Line
and the Bengals Radio Network seven hundred WLWN ESPN fifteen thirty.

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We continue on breaking down all things Bengals on this
Monday Night of Bengals Line and the Bengals Radio Network
in ESPN fifteen thirty, Lanes McAllister hanging out with Dave Lapham.
We've got a lot to sort through between now and
nine o'clock tonight. We've got a big pile of stuff
to sort through on the defensive side of things, Dave
lapham Man. The numbers they make your eyes go cross eye.

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Thirty first downs, allowed, five hundred and seventy six total yards,
two ninety three through the air, two eighty three on
the ground, seven and a half yards to carry. David's
the eighth straight game allowing at least twenty seven points,
their fifth game allowing thirty or more points. It was
just it was a dam that has broken and there's
just no ability to stop it right now for this defense.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, I mean, like you say, the dam is cracked
and broken and they can't fix it. You know, they
can't find a way to repair it. How many straight
games allowing twenty eight points?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Seven would be eight straight games at least twenty seven points.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Jeez, eight straight games allowing least twenty seven points. That's uh,
that's mind boggling. That that is uh, that's almost impossible
to do. You have to try hard to be that bad,
you know, it really is uh and considered Dave.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
They went through the much talked about defensive players Only
meeting last week and they did some some different type
of technique drills prior to practice tackling wise and yet
there there doesn't seem to be a magic bullet that
that is capable of fixing the tackling woes of this team.
I think Next Gen had them unofficially for fifteen tackles missed,

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allowing extra one hundred and thirty three yards after the
initial contact. That's a mind boggling Now, that's a football
field and a third after miss tackles.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
That's crazy, you know. And you give up over five
hundred yards as defensive football team, and over one hundred
and thirty of those because you gave them those yards
by missing missing tackles. And that's not to say you know,
miss tackles that led to scores. You know they were
guilty of that infraction as well. Man, I don't know,

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what do you What do you do? If you're Al Golden,
you say, hey, let's scrimmage guys. You know, we gotta
we gotta get after this. We have to get in
the mindset where physicality is the name of the game.
We have to go and and wh when we set
foot on that football field. We have to believe that
we're the most physical unit out there. One on one,
every guy you match up against, you have to beat
your guy you have to defeat him at the line
of scrimmage. You have to defeat your guy in space,

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you have to make open field tackles. I don't know,
I don't know what you do. Do you beat up
the football team? You don't have that many guys. I mean,
do you take a chance and risk and injury to
somebody by scrimmaging people? I mean, you know, back in
the back in the day, there was the punishment theory.
You know, you didn't do well, you're gonna get punished
and and you're gonna you're gonna hope you that that

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next game comes sooner than it really is. You don't
want to go through this, day after day after day,
what the coaches are making you go through. But hopefully
Al Golden has a solution, because right now it just
does not look good.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, the the Bears through everything and the kitchen sink
at I mean yesterday, four different.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Gadget gadget trick plays.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Although it's funny, and talking with some people who cover
the Bears, they say, Ben Johnson, it's just it's the
way he is. He doesn't consider him trick plays. He
considers it a variety of variation of his offense, and man,
it had to be. It had to have the head spinning,
especially if you're a young linebacker on this Bengals team
right now, a rookie linebacker. Stuff like that was going
on yesterday. I just had to have your spinning around

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like the Exorcists.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah really, I mean you're you're spinning like a top
you know. You know. Ben Johnson is creative and the
best way to attack a defense. Paul Brown always felt
this way is to run multiple plays out of the
same look. You know, maybe change the formation just a
little bit at the last minute when the defense feels

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like they're they're set in terms of what you're lining
up formationally, and they have a good idea what play
you're gonna run, and then at the very last minute,
you change it and kind of, you know, homeboy, what
do I do now? Put him in a little bit
of a panic. Ben Johnson is that kind of guy.
He's very, very creative with the way he looks at
the game of football, and you know, he's just he's

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not going to just line up and say it's me
and you and we're gonna go on a back alley
and we're gonna have a brawl. We're gonna have a
footbawl uh. It's that's not the way he looks at
the game of football. He looks at it as I've
got a very very high football IQ. I know that
everybody else knows that, and I'm gonna show it. The defense.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
In the crosshairs right now, certainly, And let's add in
some perspective on what is transpiring on that side of
the ball. Here's Dax Hill with Dan Horde after the game.

Speaker 9 (21:56):
Dax, I'm not sure what to say. I feel like
I've seen it all at this point. You probably feel
the same way. What's going through your mind right now?

Speaker 10 (22:04):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (22:04):
No words, I mean, I don't really have a whole
lot to say about that. Is just unfortunate to be
on that the wrong side of the ball.

Speaker 9 (22:10):
But yeah, what would you identify as the biggest problems
that are happening on the defensive side right now?

Speaker 11 (22:17):
Just not getting stops when we're supposed to be getting stops,
just being on the field too long, and when you're
on the field for that long, something's bound to happen.
So just got to get off the field early.

Speaker 9 (22:29):
When the Bengals scored to take the lead with fifty
four seconds to go. Those are the kinds of situations
that you probably love to have the opportunity to get
the final stop to clinch the win. What was what
were you thinking as you guys took the field defensively
under those circumstances.

Speaker 11 (22:46):
Just keeping keep the ball and bounds. I think they
only had one time out and we just didn't do that.

Speaker 9 (22:53):
So what was your view of the final touchdown and
what went wrong?

Speaker 6 (22:57):
I didn't really see it.

Speaker 11 (22:58):
I was on but just turned around saw the guy score.

Speaker 9 (23:02):
So it seemed like there was decent pressure at times
on Caleb Williams. You forced him to scramble around quite
a bit, unfortunately, just could not either sack him or
prevent him from scrambling. Did you view that as a
you know, a big key to why the Bears were
able to score what they did?

Speaker 11 (23:19):
Oh yeah, I mean, you know, if you can't get
Caleb Williams down, then I mean it's just going to
be a lone day. You know, he's you know, dynamic
out of the pocket, and we didn't really contain them
as much as we wanted to.

Speaker 10 (23:31):
So, uh, you know, the result as the result.

Speaker 9 (23:36):
I know it's hard for the guys on defense. To
see the offense put up the point totals they've been
putting up and not come away with a win. What
is that feeling like for everybody on this side of
the locker room.

Speaker 11 (23:47):
This unfortunate. There's just no words. I mean, we put
into work, you know, throughout the entire weekend. We just
don't get the result on Sunday. It's just you put
in all that work and this is just what it is.

Speaker 10 (23:57):
So yeah, this is hard.

Speaker 9 (24:00):
Feel like a buy is needed. Yeah, I guess appreciate
your time.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Thanks Jaxon Dax Hill after the game yesterday, and boy
Dave one final thought on the defense in this segment.
I look at their running numbers thirty seven carries, two
hundred and eighty three yards seven point six of Carrey.
Those in looking at them on paper, those look like
college numbers. That that's something like a running offense in
college football would pile.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Up in a game to carry it.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
And I remember when DeAndre Swift was ruled out on Friday,
and I'm thinking, well, maybe the Bengals get a little
bit of break here. DeAndre Swift's not going to play,
and a seventh round pick named Manongai Rushes for big
time yards to bring up a practice guy, squad guy.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
It was like who wants the football? There was? There
were yards to be had yesterday on the ground, no question.
I mean manung guy one hundred and seventy six yards
averaged six point eight to carry, unbelievable. Had a thirty
nine yard saunter.

Speaker 11 (24:56):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
The other thing is Caleb Williams created a extended plays. Yes,
he added fifty three yards rushing. That's a big number
at the quarterback position. When you're not calling design run plays,
you're not talking about quarterback counter, quarterback sweep, you know,
quarterback track. You're not talking about those kind of things.
You're talking about a guy back to pass. You know,
five seconds, he's looking down the football field for five

(25:19):
to five and a half seconds, doesn't like what he sees.
They're doing a pretty good job in coverage, but he
sees a lane that's opened up in the pass rush
and he just abuses that thing. Big guy, strong guy,
can run, very athletic. Caleb Williams was a factory yesterday,
not only with that howardz Are hanging off his right shoulder,
but running the football.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
No doubt, and you alluded to it It's what they
hoped they were getting at him, because there had been
he had been inconsistent.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
At times, he'd.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Make a throw that in major your head hurt, or
he made a decision that really those were eliminated. Yesterday
he showed on before everybody's eyes, exactly what you were
hoping for in developing a franchise quarterback.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
No question, I mean he he basically said to the
Chicago Bears. I know you've taken some heat for taking
me with the first pick in the draft. Yes, and
thanks for staying with me, Thanks for hanging in there,
thanks for letting me develop, Thanks for giving me time
to develop and understand what it takes to play at
the level you need to play at in the National

(26:19):
Football League. And I'm gonna pay it back. I'm gonna
win a lot of football games for you, and hopefully
we'll go to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Let's go to the offensive line side of things as
we continue here from Ted Carris and more. As we
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(26:49):
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Speaker 3 (26:51):
The Bengals are definitely licking their wounds after fall into
the Chicago Bears, and time for the injury report presented
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the best care for the best fans. And I really
don't know of any serious, you know, injuries that's gonna
cost the team multiple games with a player. There may

(27:11):
be a sprain, a twist, a bruise or whatever. Guys
were in the in the tent uh getting getting checked
out X Ray's me and taken that sort of thing.
Joe Flacco kind of tweaked that bad shoulder that he's got,
but he ended up coming back into the football game.
So all in all, I think the players pretty much

(27:32):
sucked it up and worked that way through any ailments
that may have been there.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
It'll be interesting to see if anything comes out of
the samajp Ryde.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Who that dude's a warrior.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
He took that hit and he was down and it
looked really bad, and then he jumped up and like like,
I'm I'm fine, I'm going to the sidelines. I've got
a job to do. Don't worry about me. And that's
that's just who he.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Is, no doubt. I mean, and he was. They showed
him on the sideline and he was gritting his teeth
and he was grind in his teeth. You know that
that that's a good indicator that you're dealing with some pain.
But yeah, I mean there he was back in the
football game, running hard. That guy. I got a lot
of respect for his game. He's a He's a big, powerful,

(28:14):
sturdy back. There's no question about it. He goes downhill
as well as anybody man. He takes online backers and
and down lineman. Uh. It just he gives his body up.
He sacrifices it for the for the good of the
football team. Great short yardage goal line guy. Uh. The
Bengals really like him, and they should.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
He's a guy Dave that he may not be the
the All Pro, he may not get the headlines, he
may not put up amazing numbers, but he's a guy
every team can use because he can do a lot
of things. He does them because he knows it helps
his team win and he doesn't say boo about doing it.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
That may be.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Running, catching, blocking, tag, whatever it is, he's willing to
do it.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yep. And uh, you know yesterday he wasn't a huge factor,
only one carry for five yards in that in that
running game. But again, like you said, he's willing to
do whatever task needs to be done for his football
team to win the football game. And that means, you know,
getting the nasty, tough short yardage, goal line yards, picking

(29:14):
up first downs and picking up touchdowns, catching the football
out of the backfield, running, running real good routes, soft hands,
catch the ball, put it away. He doesn't turn it over.
He is basically allergic to turnovers. He hates them, doesn't
want any part of them. And then the best, the
last thing that he does about as good as anybody

(29:34):
in the NFL in my opinion, at the running back position.
He will stick his nose right in the chest of
a linebacker and do a hell of a job in
blitz pick up for Joe Flacco or Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
Another guy who's a pros pro on this team is
Ted Carris. Let's go inside the locker room after the game.
Our friend James Rapine from Bengals Talk passed along a
part of a conversation of Ted Carris expressing what's going
on with his team right now. Here's the veteran offensive lineman.

Speaker 12 (29:58):
Very grateful to be healthy and uh to play in
the NFL, and excited to see my family tonight. Obviously,
two artbreakers in a row. Pretty crazy. So yeah, I've
never recovered onside kick in the NFL. And and then
went down and won. So that was I told everyone,
sit down, it's not over. Obviously it wasn't, So maybe

(30:19):
I won't say that next time.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
You've never done that.

Speaker 13 (30:21):
You said you covered an onside and I've never done that. No,
it was pretty unique and pretty cool.

Speaker 10 (30:25):
Cool.

Speaker 12 (30:25):
That was a really good kick by uh because it
didn't go ten, but it hit the guy.

Speaker 14 (30:31):
What did you learn about Joe Flacco this week?

Speaker 10 (30:35):
He's a grinder.

Speaker 12 (30:35):
I mean, he's a freaking Hall of Famer guy goes
out there. You should see his freaking ac man, It's
like crazy, goes out there, throws what five four seventy five?
Come on, man, you can't ask for more than that
out of your cue. So what a what a great
addition to the team.

Speaker 13 (30:54):
You've seen a lot of ball. Have you ever seen
anything like that game?

Speaker 12 (30:59):
No, I'm not I have not seen anything like that game.
It was a crazy ending. You know, hard to denote
something as a classic when you lose, but that was.

Speaker 13 (31:09):
At an all time game eight days ago.

Speaker 14 (31:12):
If I would have said, hey, you're going to score
eighty points as a team, because he had seven today
with Charlie, but eighty nboo and two, what do you
think your reaction would have been.

Speaker 12 (31:22):
I don't think I would have had a reaction, James.
I think I would.

Speaker 13 (31:26):
Have called you a liar.

Speaker 15 (31:29):
How do you fight frustration and avoiding the stuff, the
finger pointing type stuff that you need to try to
avoid in the locker room or where do you start
with that as a captain?

Speaker 12 (31:37):
Well, we'll let We'll let the city do enough fingerpointing.
I'm sure there's enough to go around. But hey, I
mean we just got to get ready to go get
a week off, and then we got Pittsburgh. So I mean, Jase,
here we go and there's the NFL. So grateful to
be here. I wish would have won. But Cammy, is there.

Speaker 8 (31:55):
An accumulating frustration in the fact that a lot of
the ways that you'll have lost with this year at
times have looked like it did last year. Is there
any accumulating frustration in that way? Even when Borrow was healthy,
games kind of looked like this at certain points.

Speaker 12 (32:09):
I have no accumulating frustration. I'm sure some people do,
but I'm not. I have a job to do. So,
you know, we had a good front in front of us.
Say we had Grady Jarrett Dexter sweat, I mean we
have we have to think about other things. We got
guys coming and trying to run down your face. So
I thought we did a good job as an O
line protecting them. They got one cheap one on a squeeze,

(32:31):
but overall I thought we can put up what forty
two or thirty.

Speaker 13 (32:37):
Five as an O one with Charlie.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
That was great. So you know how.

Speaker 13 (32:45):
We'll get We'll get a week off.

Speaker 12 (32:46):
I'm enjoying the time with my daughter and uh get
a jump start on the Pittsburgh Steelers who are rolling
right now.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Ted Carris after the game.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
And if you're looking for guys who can to use
the cliche steady ast ship in shaky waters, Ted Carris
has been there, done that. It is one of those
calming voices of reason and leadership on this team.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
You're right on the money there, Lance. I mean, he's
a grizzled veteran YEP that has the respect and trust
of his teammates, you know, particularly guys up front, particularly
the offensive line. It's almost like he's another coach on
the field, you know, the way he handles things. He's
you know, he's approaching double digit years. He's one of
the most experienced, if not the most experienced veteran player

(33:27):
on the football team, and everybody looks to him for
leadership and he's more than willing to provide it. It
doesn't matter what position or how many years you're in
the league. If you're a you know, a rookie to
a fourth year player just now starting to get vested
for your retirement, and you want to know what you
need to do and how you need to do it

(33:48):
to hang around the National Football League and play as
long as you possibly can. Just have a conversation, sit
down with Ted Carriss. He'll tell you how to take
care of your body, how to work out and make
your body bigger and stronger, how to compete at the
highest level in the National Football League. The guys that
you're going to be going up against. Ted Carriss is
a gem. He is man and the Bengals that's one

(34:10):
of the best deals that they've ever made in franchise
history in my opinion, when they got Ted Carriss, they
got the new emand Patriots to part with Ted Carriss.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Boy, and think about it if in so many times
you hear of a player who said, this guy, when
I was young and coming into the league, took me
under his arm and I learned from him. You've got
two rookie guards and Dylan Fairtrout and Jalen Rivers wide
eyed learning things for the first time, and to have
a guiding force like Ted Carriss that builds a foundation

(34:40):
that helps them become pros into the future.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Good point, Lance, I mean, you know your football and
you've seen a lot of football. Bob Johnson was that
guy for me. You know, the original Bengal first picking
the draft is nineteen sixty eight, his rookie year. Paul
Brown said, this is a foundational football player. We're gon
we're gonna start at the center position, build out uh
in in offense, and uh we're gonna we're gonna do

(35:04):
the same thing on the defensive side of the football.
So I can't say tell you how influential he was
in my understanding what it took to to make a team.
First of all, there's no guarantee you're gonna make it.
You get drafted, but you gotta make it. And uh,
and what it takes to compete on a on a

(35:24):
day to day basis in the national football you get
yourself better. And I was very fortunate had Bob Johnson
had John Shinner as a veteran played at Xavier. Zavier
didn't even have football anymore. That's how long ago we're
talking about John Shinner's Uh. Another pros pro, Howard fest
was a messenger guard with John Shinners running holland Big

(35:45):
Sookie out of Tennessee State. He was Uh. He was
a great player and just a character, just a great
human being, a funny guy. And Rufus may Is out
of Ohio State, big roof. Uh that that guy. Now,
you didn't want to get Rufus upset if you pissed
a huge defensive line and you pissed Rufus masaf it

(36:06):
was hell to be paid, man. Love it.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
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Speaker 2 (36:46):
All right, busy first hour, we are even busier in
our number two.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Still ahead.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
You hear from Chase Brown, We'll hear from Jamar Chase
fun Facts, Noah Fan or In Burke's the Special Teamer
and Linebacker. All of that to sink our teeth into
it on our second hour tonight of Bengals Line. It
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Speaker 3 (37:28):
Hey, we continue on on our Monday Night journey.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
We do it each and every week, although next week
because of the bye, we are off, so we'll be
back at you the following week. But we sort through
what transpires and then look ahead. We've got a whole
lot to still sort through. From yesterday forty seven to
forty two. The final score Chicago Bears went at pay
Corps Stadium. Let's add in some more offensive prospective. Chase
Brown yesterday carried eleven times for thirty seven yards, had

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a long of twelve. He was targeted fourteen times. He
was targeted five more times than anybody else on the team.
Had eight catches for seventy five yards long of twenty one.
Here's Chase Brown after the game.

Speaker 16 (38:03):
When you guys have back to back games where you
know you scored thirty eight points over forty points today
as an offense, does it almost feel like you guys
are in disbelief to the point like what more can
we do? Or how are you compartmentalizing these two losses?

Speaker 17 (38:19):
Well, I think for us is uh, you know, we
made some good plays, but we also weren't perfect.

Speaker 13 (38:25):
So that's all you're chasing this game is perfection.

Speaker 17 (38:30):
At the end of the day, there's a lot of
things that we could have been better in and you know,
when we go and watch a film, we'll we'll learn
from them and move on and you know.

Speaker 13 (38:39):
Let's just control what we can control at the end
of the day. Losing like that is.

Speaker 17 (38:43):
Yeah, it's unbelievable, Like it's unbelievable. Last play the game
like it sucks, But that's NFL. You got to play
to the last second. You can't let up, even even
when you feel like the momentum shifted. So that would
that would be how I'm feeling right now is just
play all the way through and.

Speaker 14 (39:03):
Always wrong through your head walking back to the locker
room chase let me probably.

Speaker 17 (39:11):
The same as what was running through your head, like
like what the.

Speaker 15 (39:19):
When did that emotion change to just hanger knowing how
differently the season could have looked if you closed out
the last two weeks.

Speaker 10 (39:28):
So it just it, just it.

Speaker 17 (39:34):
I'd be lying if I said it didn't set us
back from where we want to be. You know, we
want to be. Our mentality was three and o going
into the into this bye week, and we we could
have easily done it.

Speaker 13 (39:49):
That's the sickening part. It's like we could have easily
done it.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
One of the hensions.

Speaker 12 (39:53):
It looks like it is building between the offense and defense,
at least from the outside. What do you do as
a leader on this team of someone to kind of
prevent that from happening.

Speaker 13 (40:00):
Just don't turn on each other, Like we we know
how they can play.

Speaker 17 (40:02):
They played really well at the start of the season
like they did and they like they were carrying us
on their back. So you know, now that we're stepping up,
I think like I think, like, you know, we just
got to play complimentary football, like we put the ball
in the end zone and go up a point at
the end, finish the game, like just end it, like.

Speaker 13 (40:22):
That's it, Like that's that's like that's what we need
to do.

Speaker 17 (40:24):
Just end the game, like make them, make them get
us the ball back, let us go to twenty two victory,
and let's end the game.

Speaker 13 (40:31):
That's how that's like, that's how I feel, you know
what we like, you know, we can't we we didn't.
We're taking steps forward so offensively, so that's good.

Speaker 17 (40:41):
Like, you know, we're trying to control what we can control,
and we're going to keep doing what we can do.
And you know, Flaco fought like a warrior today with
you know, the way his shoulder was, like, you know,
things aren't going to be perfect, but you know, we
made things work on our end, and you know, we
made mistakes, we learned from them, but we just kept
on fighting and with the end of the day, like
you got to go to the very end, Chase.

Speaker 8 (41:02):
How frustrating is it that y'all got Flacco in here
to boost the offense, goes out does what he did
last week and this week and it still hasn't been enough.
How frustrating is it that it kind of has worked
out the way they hoped and just the results haven't
been there.

Speaker 13 (41:15):
Yeah, you know, I think it's been enough.

Speaker 17 (41:17):
It's just we got to finish, Like we just got
to finish at the end of the day, Like we're
putting points on the board now, so like let's let's
let's finish off these games and get these wins, and
you know we'll be We'll be good.

Speaker 18 (41:31):
Do you feel like last year at all?

Speaker 13 (41:38):
In what way? I guess this score a lot not
always being enough.

Speaker 17 (41:43):
I guess you could say there's similarities. But you know
we're not gonna turn on each other. We'll be just fun.
It will be good.

Speaker 18 (41:48):
Like you feel like you have to be perfect, almost
offensively chase for you guys to win.

Speaker 15 (41:55):
At this point, that's our goal.

Speaker 17 (41:56):
We we we chase perfection every week. So m and
chase perfection every week.

Speaker 13 (42:03):
So you know, yeah, we.

Speaker 17 (42:08):
Weren't perfect today, so you know we'll try to be
perfect next next opportunity.

Speaker 18 (42:13):
If you look at the effort that you had on
the final drive, that te had on the final drive,
I mean, guys are putting it on the line for
you to win games, and you leave here without a win.
What's that emotionally like for you? Considering what you're doing
to win.

Speaker 13 (42:28):
I'm gonna go do it next time we get the opportunity.

Speaker 17 (42:30):
So that's just my mentality next time we're in that
same if we're in that same situation, I'm gonna do
the same thing, do whatever I can to make a
play and put the team in position to win.

Speaker 13 (42:40):
And that's all I care about at the end of
the day.

Speaker 17 (42:43):
I don't care if I flip or I know any
playmaker on this team, any any position, Like, we're all
willing to do whatever it takes to win.

Speaker 13 (42:54):
We just gotta finish.

Speaker 17 (42:56):
I think that's like what you go into this bye week,
think game and kind of repeating to yourself is just finish, finish,
Finish these goddamn games.

Speaker 13 (43:06):
Finish them.

Speaker 14 (43:07):
Given the fact that you went up against this defense
and training camp and how they started the season, is
it surprising that they haven't finished the past couple of
weeks and and got these ones for you? M m
oh okay, yeahs it surprising that they didn't do theirs.

Speaker 13 (43:19):
I'm like, I don't know.

Speaker 14 (43:20):
I'm no your own defense, you face them every day. Yeah,
we know what they can do.

Speaker 13 (43:24):
So that's it.

Speaker 17 (43:25):
Just play up to your standard and when it's your
opportunity to strap somebody up or make the tackle or
whatever it is, do it.

Speaker 13 (43:35):
I think you're entough leadership on that side of the
ball right now.

Speaker 17 (43:38):
I think so we got leaders, we got vets, we
got guys with you know, captain Badgers on their chests,
like we're good there, they'll stepping up up in a
big way. I think, Uh, you know, they just need
they just need to figure it out.

Speaker 13 (43:57):
They'll be good. Like they'll be good, They'll.

Speaker 15 (44:00):
Does it feel like the season is slipping away on
you guys a little bit right now.

Speaker 17 (44:04):
We're just gonna keep you know, keep a foot all
the way down the throttle and we'll be good. Well,
we're not gonna we just can't lose a locker run.
That's if we can't lose. Like, I'm not gonna point fingers.
I could have been better today. That's how I'm feeling
leaving the field. Like, you know, I'll focus on me
and let everybody else focus on what they need to
get better at. And then when we come together and

(44:27):
against the next opponent, you know, we're all going to
be better. So yeah, that's what we're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Chase Brown after the game yesterday, and he, like most
there was that expression of back to what Zach said,
I can't believe this happened today, and who would believe
had had we said two weeks ago, Dave, the Bengals
will score thirty eight points and followed up with forty
two points and lose both of those games. Nobody would
have thought that possible. But we are looking at that

(44:53):
very fact right now.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
We certainly are, and it's it's mind boggling. The Bengals
ran the ball just fifteen times yesterday, they threw it
forty seven. When you're that imbalanced, usually it's a blowout.
But it was a five point game forty seven forty two.
They scored forty two points being that imbalanced. I mean,
if they can somehow balance up their offense where they

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run the ball for a hundred and fifty yards and
throw the ball for two fifty or something like that,
and you know, and get after people with an offense
that's generating three hundred and fifty three hundred and seventy
five four hundred yards offense and is is cranking, you know,
twenty eight to thirty five points. Yeah, that should that
should win you a lot of football games. Now, obviously

(45:36):
it would have come up far short yesterday, there's no
doubt about that. But you know, you take away the
twelve yard carry, ten carries for twenty five yards two
point five are rush for Chase Brown on ten carries
and that's not that's not Chase Brown. You know, maybe
every once in a while he might have decided I'm
gonna I misread that. You know. It came back to

(45:59):
the my bad guys. It was blocked. Well, I misread
it more times than not. Though to my eye, it
was just the offensive line getting beat. In the offensive line,
instead of getting some push up front, they were getting pushed.
They were getting pushed back off the line of scrimmage,
and that's tough on any running back. You see the
numbers of your offensive lineman standing straight up, you know
that it's not going very well for those guys up front. David,

(46:22):
I'll tell.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
You what I love from the very first offensive snap
of the game for this team. And much has been
made about how many targets Jamar Chase had had twenty
three two weeks ago, I think sixteen last week. T
was only targeted two times last week, only one catch,
And that was a subject of conversation throughout the week
and whether they planned it or it just happened this way.

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The very first snap of the game, Joe Flacco finds
T Higgins and it was an omen of things to come.
Nine targets, seven catches, one hundred and twenty one yards,
two touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
T had a big game. T had a T Higgins
day yesterday. He did. The fans were in full strow too.

Speaker 10 (46:58):
Man.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
That forty four yard touch on catch was a thing
of beauty. He really was. Oh he did. He's got
such strong hands and and T is so good at
the contested catch. He's got length, he's got strength, strong hands,
he can he can snatch the football and put it away.
And a really good route runner. You know, T. Higgins
would be the number one receiver on thirty one other teams,

(47:19):
but he's with Jamar Chase and Jamar Chase triple crown
winner last year, you know, catches yards and touchdowns, so
got to get him involved. But with that said, you
know he T Higgins and Jamar Chase. Nine targets for
T eight for Jamar, seven catches for T. Six for Jamar,

(47:39):
one hundred and twenty one yards for T. One hundred
and eleven for Jamar. You know, and he had the
two touchdowns. That that is gonna make it very very
difficult for defenses because cheez, who do we double? You know,
we double both of them and then get SICKI or
somebody like that needs to step up. And that's the thing. Offensively,
they've got all the weapons. They got ale of weapons.

(48:01):
Whatever the defense does, the Bengals have a counter move
to it, you know. I mean, if it's a chess match,
they're not going to get checkmated.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
How about this and I five me another team that
can say this is from an offensive skill set. Catches
yesterday long catches. Chase Brown had a long of twenty one.
He had a long of forty four, Chase thirty six,
Yoshi twenty eight, Hudson had a thirty three yard catch.
Fans had a twenty three yard catch. Tinsley had a
twenty seven yard catch. Dave. Seven different guys yesterday had

(48:32):
catches for at least twenty three yards.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
That's crazy, it is, It's absolutely crazy. And only seven
guys had a catch, so every single one of the
receivers had a reception of twenty yards more twenty three,
twenty seven, twenty eight, thirty three, thirty six, twenty one
for Chase Brown out of the backfield, Higgans the forty

(48:55):
four yard touchdown. Like you said, two touchdown passes that
were long long range, long distance t Higgins and no
offense and that's what we're talking about if they do
start paying a hell of a lot of attention outside.
Gastiki was nicked up, you know, he wasn't available. But
if you have Gasiki and Fant keeps developing, now you

(49:16):
have two tight ends that can hurt you the way
those guys showed that they can hurt you, and then
throw Hudson in there to boot. I mean it. There's
no shortage of weapons now, Yep. The quarterbacks aren't complaining
about that. There's no shortage of guys for them to
sling the football to.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Had a final point that the two tight ends, Hudson
and Fan combined had five targets. They caught four of
them for seventy yards and a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Nice gotta work.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
That's a heck of a day from your tight end
all day, every day, No hang type. More to get
to here from Jamar Chase on the offensive side of things.
As we roll on with Bengals Line on the Bengals
Radio Network and ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station, keep
were old right along of this Monday night, navigating our
way through three hours in Bengals conversation looking back at

(50:06):
yesterday forty seven forty two at pay Corps. The bye
week coming up, but we've got ground to cover between
now and nine o'clock tonight, so let's continue on. Jamar
chase yesterday targeted eight times, six catches, one hundred and
eleven yards, an average of eighteen and a half per
catch along of thirty six. Here's Jamar meeting with the
media after the game.

Speaker 19 (50:26):
Offense got a final way to put the bott in
the game away somehow, someway, you gotta do it.

Speaker 14 (50:31):
Why do you keep putting it on the offense his shoulders,
considering what you've all.

Speaker 19 (50:35):
Watched the last month or so, you say, why, Yeah,
that's on the way, we're gonna fix it.

Speaker 20 (50:40):
I don't know how by that's what I keep pointing
at the offense. You can't point at the defense.

Speaker 21 (50:46):
You haven't been around to comeback like that before. No,
fifteen points in lego at a minute and a half. No,
who's going three of mind is in the last what
was working?

Speaker 10 (51:01):
What was the uh?

Speaker 21 (51:03):
Guys put up a lot of fundy yet.

Speaker 19 (51:06):
I don't know exactly what was working at end today
It was a lot and everybody had opportunity to touch
the bottle.

Speaker 20 (51:11):
This so the offense was uh, very very versatile to day.

Speaker 9 (51:16):
I mean, what Flatca's doing is pretty extraordinary, more than
three hundred yards in the second half alone. What has
he shown you?

Speaker 20 (51:25):
He's a veteran's showing us her vetter.

Speaker 9 (51:27):
When you scored with fifty four seconds to go to
take the lead, what was running through your mind?

Speaker 20 (51:34):
The defense gonna stop?

Speaker 14 (51:37):
It's becoming frustrating at this point, talking about you now
just needing meeting stops as this time was.

Speaker 10 (51:44):
Why a wee can meet up?

Speaker 19 (51:46):
I'm getting teddy, I asking me about the defense and stops.
I asks the defense that stopped asking me that on
my offensive play.

Speaker 18 (51:51):
Though, Joe was just talking in there about the importance
of what you guys had eight weeks left.

Speaker 10 (51:57):
It's an emotional game. But all you can do is put.

Speaker 6 (52:00):
Your head down and work.

Speaker 10 (52:02):
How will you approach the next week and a half.

Speaker 20 (52:05):
But then what I did this week, i'm'a keep working
being myself.

Speaker 22 (52:10):
Take some tomorrow. What what does it say about Joe
Flackelling what he was able to do, fight through the
shoulder injury and throw for four seventy.

Speaker 20 (52:18):
Was that right he's used to It kept his composure
the whole game.

Speaker 9 (52:23):
How hard did you keep your composure after.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
A game like this?

Speaker 10 (52:28):
It's not fun when you losing.

Speaker 22 (52:34):
I guess I'll ask you the same question I asked
last week? How hard or what's it going to be
like maintaining hope through the bye week for the second half.

Speaker 20 (52:44):
And I'll go back to practice work there and just
play football.

Speaker 14 (52:47):
Felt like you guys are kind of on the other
end of what happened last year. You rally in the
fourth party, you score two touchdowns in like a minute.

Speaker 20 (52:53):
Of game time.

Speaker 14 (52:54):
What goes through your mind when you score that second touchdown?

Speaker 20 (52:57):
Particularly, do you think you get a stop?

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Jamar? After the game and Jamar was asked about it,
Chase Brown was asking about it. Everybody in the offense
has been asked about it, and it's that it's that
delicate balance Dave of when when one side is putting
up so many points and the other side isn't, The
questions become about, you know, how do you feel about
the other guys not helping you out? And that makes

(53:21):
it it's always very uncomfortable, and it's always a delicate
line because it is a team and you don't want
to throw anybody under the bus. But on one side of
the room, you've got a group that's doing their job,
and on the other side you're looking and saying, can
we get a little bit of help here?

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean, And in the locker room, they
know that, they understand that, you know, and it's almost
like the defensive players come up to, you know, Joe
Flacco and Jamar Chase and T Higgins after the game
say hey, guys, man, you've bawled out. You gave everything
you had. Sorry we could, we didn't give you enough support.

(53:55):
We didn't get it done. And you know, it literally
does happen. Some guys do do that. I mean, they
feel like, man, I just totally did not fulfill my
responsibilities to help a football team win. And uh, you know,
it's it's it's stinks. I mean, I've gotta I've gotta
I gotta be better. I have to do a better job.

(54:17):
I gotta take care of business and whatever I need
to do to take care of business, whether it's you know,
change my diet, change my workout habits, my uh procedure,
how many days a week I do it? When I
work out, how I work out? Uh, That's that's where
they are the season is on the brink, as the
old saying goes, and everybody's got to do whatever it

(54:39):
takes to get the thing turned around quickly.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Boy, And you think there have been there's there's a
lot of guys on the defensive side who are young
and learning, and that's that's always tough.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
But in tough times to be in that.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Situation, there's that back to the old Marvin Lewis Cley
farm your own crops, do your job. And when so
much chaos is happening with the defense, I would think
the the inclination is I got to make all the
plays and I got to be everywhere at the same time.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
And when that happens, it's just it's just chaos.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
And sometimes it looks like on the field there's guys
running around try to do ten other guys jobs.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Absolutely, and that's that's when you're you're one step away
from chaos. Yes, you know. It's like there's the coaches
burn the midnight oil, putting together game plans, putting together
sche mantics, putting together playbooks, putting together you know, everything
they can to get you in a position to win

(55:43):
a football game. And if you decide, you know how
the hell with it. It's not working. And then panic
sets in and guys, I'm gonna make every tackle. I'm
gonna have a fifty tackle game. You know. It's like,
come on, man, you know, just play football. It's it's selfish.
They're trying not to be They're trying to be just
the opposite, right, They're trying to help. They take their

(56:05):
help anything, anything, and and literally, I mean, I'll give
my right arm, I'll give my right leg, you know,
if that's what it takes. Some guys are of that mindset,
particularly crazy linebackers. Man, it's that that is a that's
a tough place to be and uh the uh you
have to go see a sports psychologist and say, you know,

(56:26):
how do I how do I get over this? How
do I what do I do? How do I how
do I take care of business in a different way?
And it's it's not an easy deal. And and you know,
wives and kids, uh suffer repercussions from that, and sometimes
you know, it leads to divorce and and and things
that are tough in life, not just football life, but

(56:47):
life in general. So, man, you can never take anything
for granted, particularly in the game of football.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Still ahead we'll drop in our weekly fun Facts conversation
Dan Horde with Noah Fant. You'll hear from orin Burk's
and uh More. He's Dave Blapham. I'm Lance Pacallister. The
show is Bengals Line. We do it on the Bengals
Radio Network and ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Hey, We're back on.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Bengals Line on this Monday night on the Bengals Radio
Network and ESPN fifteen thirty through yesterday at pay Corpse Stadium,
looking ahead of the bye and trade deadline tomorrow and
all that to get to I'm Lance Pacaister.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
He is Dave Lapham. A lot of activity coming up, Lance,
a lot of activities. Bye. We couldn't come at a
better time and they need to get away from it. Hey,
Bengals fans on Fridays, make sure to listen to myself
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Speaker 2 (57:41):
We love Dan Horde's weekly fun Fact segment. This week
the spotlight on Bengals tight end. Noah Fan two catches
on three targets, an average of fourteen yards a catch
the twenty three yard for a touchdown. Here is Dan
with fun facts and Bengals tight end no offan.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
No Fantasday fun facts with Dan Ord.

Speaker 9 (58:02):
Time for some fun facts with tight End Noah fan
from Omaha, Nebraska, the biggest city in Nebraska, the home
of the College World Series, Noah. Based on what I've read,
you're the youngest of six kids. Is that accurate? And
what was that like?

Speaker 23 (58:16):
Yeah, I'm definitely definitely the youngest of six, three brothers
and two sisters, and it was a great, great upbringing.

Speaker 10 (58:25):
Definitely.

Speaker 23 (58:25):
My my siblings thought I was a little bit spoiled,
but it was great. I have great relationships with all
of them, so couldn't complain.

Speaker 9 (58:33):
It's funny you say that because I'm the fourth of five,
and my older siblings always said, You've got it so easy.
Mom and dad have just kind of given up. They're
letting you do whatever you want.

Speaker 10 (58:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (58:43):
No, I definitely definitely think there's some of the same.
But my parents were tough on me growing up, but
in a good way, so I was blessed to have them.

Speaker 9 (58:52):
One of your older brothers was your high school coach,
was he tough on you.

Speaker 10 (58:56):
Uh, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 23 (58:57):
I think my brother just wanted the best for me,
wanted me to do achieved greatness. And yeah, he was
a big part of my development early on growing up,
as with my dad and my mom.

Speaker 10 (59:08):
But yeah, he was. He was a big part of that.

Speaker 9 (59:11):
You attended Almaha South High School but also took classes
at the University of Nebraska Medical Center while you were
in high school. Tell me about that.

Speaker 23 (59:20):
Yeah, the un m C High School Alliance was kind
of a program for high school students to kind of
get a fast track to.

Speaker 10 (59:29):
Any medical profession that they wanted to get into going
into college.

Speaker 23 (59:32):
So it was taking college classes out of college at
a college campus and you know, kind of working in
and seeing what path we wanted to take when we
got into college.

Speaker 10 (59:43):
So it was a great experience.

Speaker 23 (59:44):
And I still keep in touch with some of the
people that run that program and have gone back to
visit before. And yeah, I'm just super fortunate to be
able to partake in that. You dealt with Kidavers, Yeah,
what was that like? You know, it's definitely a unique experience,
not something that I thought that I.

Speaker 10 (01:00:03):
Would have been doing that young, but.

Speaker 23 (01:00:05):
Uh man, what a cool like a like a cool
experience and a blessing for me to be able to
do that.

Speaker 10 (01:00:11):
At such a young age and really learn.

Speaker 23 (01:00:13):
I learned so much in that in that program and
the classes that I took, so I was super fortunate
to be able to be a part of that.

Speaker 9 (01:00:20):
In your scouting report coming out of college on NFL
dot com, it said you had an idea of possibly
being a surgeon after playing football. Is that still a
remote possibility in your mind?

Speaker 10 (01:00:32):
I'm not. I'm not so sure yet.

Speaker 23 (01:00:34):
There's a lot of schooling that I would have to
go through after playing football in year seven, so we'll
see how it plays out.

Speaker 10 (01:00:41):
But not shutting in they doors.

Speaker 9 (01:00:43):
We're visiting with Noah Fant. When it came time to
pick a college, you chose the school with a reputation
of being tight end. You Iowa, Dallas Clark, George Kittle,
TJ Howkinson, Sam Laporta, Ericall from the Bengals, and others.
How do you explain that lineage of great tight end?

Speaker 23 (01:01:00):
Yeah, I think that just like when I was going
to Iowa, the guys that were kind of there before
me were like Dallas car Tony Malaki. I think Scott Chandler,
guys of that nature that had been there before and
had made it to the NFL, and it was just
kind of one of those things that was that was

(01:01:22):
a selling point that if I wanted to play tight
end in a in an offense that used the tight
end quite often, that I wanted to be able to
do that and go and go there. And obviously my
freshman year was Georgia's senior year, and then after that
it's just been pumping out tight ends, uh, definitely more
frequently ever since. So it's been it's been a really
cool experience to be a part of.

Speaker 10 (01:01:42):
For sure.

Speaker 9 (01:01:43):
Is it almost like a self fulfilling prophecy where the
best high school tight ends in the country gravitate to
Iowa and then it's almost destiny that they're going to
turn out to be pros.

Speaker 23 (01:01:53):
You know, Honestly, I think that I wouldn't necessarily say
the best, like the best top recruits that tight end
really go to Iowa. I think IWA does a really
good job of identifying guys that have the traits and
then developing them.

Speaker 10 (01:02:05):
Like when I was coming out of high school, all.

Speaker 23 (01:02:07):
The three star athlete out of Nebraska I had like
fifteen offers from different schools, but wasn't like a top recruited,
five star tight end coming out of out of high school.
So they do a great job of identifying guys with
those traits and developing them into a all around tight end.

Speaker 10 (01:02:25):
So that was something I was really proud of going
there and being a part of.

Speaker 9 (01:02:31):
After three years with the Hot Eyes, you entered the
draft and were selected in the first round twentieth overall
by Denver. Describe your draft night experience.

Speaker 10 (01:02:38):
Yeah, it was a great experience.

Speaker 23 (01:02:40):
I mean, obviously it was waiting a little bit twenty
picks in, but it wasn't complaining at all. It was
just like a very stressful situation. But what a cool
experience for me and my family being there all together
in the green room and getting that call from Denver
at the time, and it was a surreal moment. So
really cool experience for me and my family.

Speaker 9 (01:03:01):
You had three good years in Denver, you probably expected
to be there for a long long time, and then
the Broncos pulled off a blockbuster trade for Russell Wilson,
giving up multiple high draft picks and yourself in that deal.
Did you have any inkling that you might be traded
or was it a total shock?

Speaker 10 (01:03:18):
No, I was.

Speaker 23 (01:03:19):
I was pretty shocked, to be honest with you, Hindsight
twenty twenty. Obviously, I'll understand, right, it's like you get
your shot at a franchise quarterback at the time that
you think it's your franchise quarterback, and you're gonna do whatever.
You know, you're not going to hold back a tight
end for that deal, you know what I'm saying. So
I understood, I understood it. I was definitely shocked and

(01:03:39):
taken it back by it. Some would say blindsided, but like, man,
it was such crazy experience. And obviously was traded to
Seattle and had some good years there, but uh, yeah,
it was.

Speaker 10 (01:03:52):
It was definitely wild, a wild experience for sure.

Speaker 9 (01:03:55):
So three years in Denver, three years in Seattle, and
then earlier this year they let you go kind of
in a salary cap dump type situation. But it did
give you the opportunity to choose for the first time
since you were in high school. Did you enjoy that?

Speaker 23 (01:04:08):
It was a very interesting experience because it was I
supposed choosing, but at a time that was very late
in the process, and you know, got people had already
really had the roster set and things of that nature.
So yeah, it was nice to choose, I suppose, but
like wasn't an ideal situation that late in the game,

(01:04:29):
which is kind of a little frustrating. But yeah, I
was happy to be able to land in Cincinnati. What
a great place for me to land at with coach
Taylor and pitch and James Casey is a great, great
Titans coach. I've been really really fortunate to be able
to work with them and be in a good situation here.

(01:04:51):
So it ended up working out, But obviously it was
definitely a process to get there for sure.

Speaker 9 (01:04:57):
All Right, a few wild card topics now for Bengals
tight end Noah Fan who is your all time favorite
athlete in any sport?

Speaker 23 (01:05:06):
I would tell you Michael Jordan. I wasn't old enough
to like see him in his prime, but just like
the greatness of him and the championships that he's won
that is all of his highlights. It's just an iconic player.
Whenever someone mentions like a goat of a sport, it's
like he automatically comes up. He's definitely a polarizing player
that not only changed the game, but changed really just

(01:05:28):
like the world kind of honestly, He's like he was
a world known athlete. So it was like, what a
cool what a cool experience, like experience to be able
to see but unfortunately I wasn't able to see it,
But what a cool experience to like be able to
go back and watch those highlights and experience that greatness.

Speaker 9 (01:05:44):
So and he made it okay for people like me
to be bald. Yeah, you've spent seven years in the NFL,
You've done well financially. What do you like to splur John?

Speaker 10 (01:05:55):
Uh?

Speaker 23 (01:05:55):
Food, That's like, that's one of the things that I'll
like pay a good good dollar for, is like a
just a really good meal, especially like with friends and families,
which is which is one of the things that I
value very much.

Speaker 10 (01:06:07):
So food is definitely one of those things.

Speaker 9 (01:06:09):
Big fancy steakhouse are something more eclectic and foodie either one.

Speaker 23 (01:06:15):
I'm I'm a pretty wide range guy that'll that'll like
have anything to eat, And honestly, it's a it's just
a what's the choice of the day, honestly.

Speaker 9 (01:06:24):
So other than sports, do you have any hidden talents?

Speaker 10 (01:06:30):
I don't know about hidden talents.

Speaker 23 (01:06:31):
I just kind of I try to view myself as
like a like a pretty multifaceted guy, Like I just
like a lot of different things. I do a lot
of different things, and I don't think there's just one
one singular thing that I'm like super talented at though.

Speaker 9 (01:06:46):
All right, final fun fact for Noah. This one's kind
of deep. If you could meet anybody in history, living
or deceased, who would that person be.

Speaker 23 (01:06:59):
I would want to meet my dad's my dad's dad.
He passed away when my dad was very young, so
it'd have been my grandpa, but I never got to
meet him. But I definitely wouldn't want to met him
and just kind of talk to him and see what
he see how he viewed life, see how he viewed everything.
Obviously my dad didn't wasn't able to have those those

(01:07:24):
moments with him very long, But yeah, I think those
would be some really cool conversations to see what he thought.

Speaker 9 (01:07:30):
No doubt about it. No, I appreciate your time, Best
of luck the rest of the year.

Speaker 10 (01:07:34):
Thank you appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
No The subject of fun facts, that conversation and more.
Each week the Bengals Booth podcast still ahead. We'll talk
special teams, how about it? The day by special teams
you hear from a special team or extraordinary or in
Berks and so much more as we continue with Bengals
Line on the Bengals Radio Network and ESPN fifteen thirty

(01:07:55):
Cincinnati Sports Station rolling round along in this Monday night
and Bengals Out of the Bengals and the Radio Networks
fifteen thirty. Okay, Lester Dave Lap them special teams in
the spotlight in this segment. Bengals got a kick return
for a touchdown, they recovered it on kick, they deflected
and blocked a field goal. We'll get into all of

(01:08:16):
that in this segment, but let's start it off with
conversation with the man who plays special teams and linebacker.
He's the veteran want to ring with the Philadelphia Eagles,
That would be Oron Burks. Here's Dan Horde with Oran
after the game.

Speaker 24 (01:08:30):
They played fast, they played physical. Like I said, this
player here, here or there, they're gonna change the game.
So for us, it's about sick sticking together in our room,
and I truly believe that they're We're gonna be on
the other side of this thing at the end of
the year.

Speaker 5 (01:08:42):
Could they do it on the ground.

Speaker 24 (01:08:44):
I would just run ball. All the runs that we've
seen throughout the year, same shots, Thomas. Again, it's for us.

Speaker 10 (01:08:49):
You gotta get off tape, so expect to work.

Speaker 21 (01:08:52):
Can you can you run through the on site?

Speaker 10 (01:08:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Just on side.

Speaker 24 (01:08:57):
You knew we were gonna have an opportunity to get
to the ball and to scratch, crawl, just try to
get the ball out. That's that's my first time getting
on side. So it was pretty pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (01:09:05):
You grab it for somebody.

Speaker 13 (01:09:06):
What was going on down here.

Speaker 10 (01:09:07):
Just to scrum man just trying to get the ball.

Speaker 25 (01:09:09):
Did you guys know that they touched it so it
was live?

Speaker 10 (01:09:12):
Yeah? Yeah, so I hit off the guy went out
to blow.

Speaker 22 (01:09:15):
So when you're a veteran, obviously you've played on championship teams,
what is your message to younger players who are obviously very.

Speaker 6 (01:09:21):
Emotional right now?

Speaker 10 (01:09:22):
Yeah, there's gotta be no quit and I don't see
that on the team. There's no quit in this team.

Speaker 24 (01:09:26):
And uh, we got to rely on each other, trust
each other, and I'll just get back to work.

Speaker 25 (01:09:31):
I think, I think, uh, I think the day began,
you had a hell of a block on Charlie's kippie turn.
It seem seems like about eight years ago, but uh what,
Uh can you run through that one too.

Speaker 24 (01:09:41):
Yeah, we're just stressing making a game change of play
on special teams and uh that what a great way
to start the game with the opening kickoffs.

Speaker 10 (01:09:48):
Took it to the house. And uh that that.

Speaker 24 (01:09:49):
Again just comes back to the work and Darren's been
doing a great job of putting us in the right positions.
It's for us to go out and execute consistently.

Speaker 10 (01:09:56):
So that's what we're working on.

Speaker 17 (01:09:57):
How much were the opportunities for the last two weeks,
two chances to close games out at home, staying over
the next twenty four forty eight hours.

Speaker 24 (01:10:05):
Yeah, it definitely stings, but you know at the end
of the day, those games are over with and uh
we got a u a buy right now so we
can refresh and get right back to it. And Uh,
like I said, I just really believe in this team.
There's no quitting this team. And uh it's for us,
uh to just keep working and s and stick together.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
Obviously, you guys have the players only running on Monday.
Are you a little bit surprised disappointed.

Speaker 9 (01:10:22):
In the fundamentals today the tackling.

Speaker 24 (01:10:26):
Yeah, we're just gonna keep working. Uh you know there's
it's not gonna be fixing one week. You know, it's
continually getting better week by week. And uh just looking
looking at ourselves in the mirror. Am I giving my
best effort into my on top of my assignments? And
uh you know that's that's something we can all do.
Uh there's no point fingers and uh that's for us
as pros to to to get a fixed they made
for uh.

Speaker 13 (01:10:45):
Two sixty last uh two fifty? Well, uht about five
hundred the last two weeks? Is there any thing you
could put your finger on in the.

Speaker 5 (01:10:51):
Running in the run deeper?

Speaker 10 (01:10:53):
We're gonna we're gonna fix it.

Speaker 24 (01:10:54):
Internally, we know what needs to be be uh be
done to to stop the run game. You can't stop
the run, You're not gonna win in this League's what
it comes down too. So for us, as you know,
everybody just comit into it.

Speaker 9 (01:11:03):
As a defensive guy. You love those situations with a
minute to go and a chance to make the play
right to win the game.

Speaker 10 (01:11:10):
Yeah, you want it on your back.

Speaker 24 (01:11:11):
You know, the offense did a great job driving down
the field, putting this in a position to win, and
we just came up short, and you know, there's no
point in the fingers is again, like everybody looking internally
at theirselves, how can I be better? Just being the
best rison yourself out there on the field and collectively
that's what we're gonna like the results if you can
continue to do that.

Speaker 15 (01:11:27):
Are there times in your career, whether defenses or just
teams year on just seemed like it was kind of
going the wrong way no matter what you tried, and
then you guys found a way to dog guys or
something you look back on and remember his keys to
things like that.

Speaker 24 (01:11:38):
Yeah, I feel like in life in general, you're gonna
fight didversities. It's how you respond. And like I said this,
this team has no quit. The guys are committed to
getting it right. It hasn't shown yet, but you know,
I feel like we're continuing to taking steps forward to
get better.

Speaker 9 (01:11:52):
Its Flacko's performance, I mean, four hundred and fifty plus
three hundred yards in the second half with an aca
ain't sprain. Are you just astounded by what that guy's doing.

Speaker 10 (01:12:03):
Yeah, the guy's tough. Guy's tough. He's been playing this
league for a long time.

Speaker 24 (01:12:05):
There's a reason why and you know, for him to
step up in that way coming off of you know,
a cu on the throwing arm, that's that just shows
like how much he's committed to giving his best. And
for us, it's like, all right, we look at that,
you know that that should inspire us to give a
little bit more. So just hats off to him the
training staff for getting him right this week on a
quick turnaround, you know, so we just got to get

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right back with the bobe. We could be fresh and
get healthy and be ready to go for the wrong
one with.

Speaker 9 (01:12:33):
The on side kick recovery and the subsequent touchdown where
you briefly thinking this is going to go down as
one of the most memorable wins that I've been apart.

Speaker 24 (01:12:42):
Man, I've been just trying to do the best I
can on that one play. You know, we had one
a couple of weeks ago. We had opportunity to get
the ball and then you know, I looked at Tanner,
I was like, we gotta get this one. So, you know, again,
just believe in each other. I feel like that's the
common theme is is sticking together and believe in each other.
We're gonna likely we'll see at the end of.

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
The day and on side kick, what happened You're down
in the bottom of the scrum.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
What was happening to you?

Speaker 24 (01:13:05):
I don't know what happened, man, I'm just trying to
find a way to get it come up with the ball. Yeah,
I mean, that's that's part of everybody knows. The bottom
of the pile can get kind of crazy. But you know,
my one objectors to come out with the ball. So
you found a way to get that done.

Speaker 9 (01:13:17):
You always look forward to a bye week, but I
think does this team really need it in the light
of the last couple of weeks and how tough those
losses have been.

Speaker 24 (01:13:25):
Yeah, I think it's coming out a good time for us,
you know, just refresh our minds, refresh our bodies, and
come back ready to go for the long hull.

Speaker 9 (01:13:31):
Appreciate your thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Oron Burks after the game and Dave, we were talking
about Ted Carris and in his veteran presence and voice
and Oron Burks has been there, done that. He's been
through winning times with the Philadelphia Eagles. He's a guy
who embraces special teams. He can give you snaps on defense.
He's another kind of like we talked about Sama J.
P Ry just being a guy who may not be
a star, but he's a guy that every roster needs

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if if they're going to get things done, and he can.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
Do that absolutely, a guy that's versatile. Yeah, you know,
can can do everything. Play the linebacker position for you
do play the run, come downhill, He's big enough to
to stuff the running game and and come downhill, defeat blockers, Uh,
shed those blockers and get off of them, and and
and make plays. But he's also athletic enough with quick feet,

(01:14:18):
can move laterally well, can play zone or a man
in your in past coverages. So you know, Al Golden
loves the guy and Darren Simmons does as well. Darren
Simmons he was he was all fired up. I mean
it was fun to see Darren out there running out
in the field high five and shaking hands with guys
even before they you know, were totally off the off

(01:14:38):
the football field. There were some things that drove nuts
as well. He was pulling his hair out by the
by the roots. Got some bald coaches today and the
coaches room up there in the shower, But I mean
it is uh, Aaron Burks is is a coach's dream.
He's one of those guys that just does his job
and is quiet about it, doesn't raise you know, he

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does not try to draw try to draw attention to himself,
like look at me, I'm the man, I'm the guy.
Total team player.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Yesterday from the special team side of things, two and
ninety seven yards and kickoff return yards of course, helped
by Charlie Jones going ninety nine, but p Ryan had
a thirty nine yard kick return, Brooks had a thirty
one yeard kick return. And how about the recover the
on side kick Dave Going into yesterday, there had been
fifty on side kick attempts this season and they're much

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harder because you have to declare and the rules have changed.
But only three of fifty six percent of on side
kicks had been recovered and the Bengals get one yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
That's big. That's big. That's uh. That's Darren Simmons at
his finest right there, and it is I mean, talk
to him about it. With the new the new formations
that you have to get into for kickoff returns, and
it's all all for player safety, it's all with right
intentions in mind. But i wonder if this offseason or

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an offseason shortly thereafter, there is not some kind of
movement by special teams, coaches and maybe organizations as a
whole to go back to the old way of doing things,
because I mean, when when Charlie Jones was returning that kickoff, man,
I was jacked up, man, you know, I mean the
old the old blood was pumping. You could feel the
blood pressure raising, you know, as as was going on.

(01:16:23):
There's nothing like that type of excitement. That's why people
pay big dollars, top dollar to go to NFL games
to be entertained like that. Boy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
And back to that point of the on side kick.
If only six percent, if you're if you're if you
have a rule and you're doing something that is only
successful six percent of the time, to me, that scream
something has to change. It's got to be it's gotta
be more productive than six percent of the I'm not
saying crazy, like fifty percent of on site kickcher recovered,
but something better than six Otherwise, what's the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
Use Why would you even try it? You know, it's like,
you know, kick the ball deep and let your defense
hopefully you can they can rise up and get a
three and out and get the ball back that way.
So it's going to be interesting to monitor and I
see how that all tracks down heading down the stretch.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
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Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Final thought in this hour, we'll get into our third
hour with more of Zach and Joe Flacco and some
other things. The trade deadline is tomorrow. Interesting situation because
on one hand, you want to you certainly want to
do what you can when you can to help your team,
but you have to weigh what you're going to give
up what you're going to get where you are in
the standings. It's just it's a line you have to

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walk as an organization heading into tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
Right in the Bengals, Mike Brown values draft picks like
Paul Paul always did, and Mike has the same mindset,
the same mentality to the game of football. So they're
not going to be irresponsible in terms of throwing draft
picks around at the trade deadline. But it's going to
be interesting, you know. Obviously the biggest name that people

(01:18:38):
are wondering about is Trey Hendrickson. You know, there's all
kinds of social media. Trey Hendrickson wants to be traded,
He's asked to be traded. He's gone, Trey Henderson, Where's
he going to go? Oh? You know, they're talking about
the Indianapolis Colts and what an acquisition that would be
in reunite him with Lou and Rumo, the guy that
you know, was his coach when he had his big
sack years back to back seventeen and a half seasons.

(01:19:00):
But I just don't think. I'm not sure they do
anything I'm not sure Trey Henderson goes anywhere. I think
he may at the end of the season when the
season's over, but I think he finishes this year out
as a Bengal.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
We've put two in the books. Hang with us, we
unfold the third hour. Up next Bengals Line and the
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Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
Hey, welcome back into Bengals Line on this Monday night,
our third and final hour.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Thanks for being with us.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
We have walked and talked our way through yesterday forty
seven forty two a lost to the Bears. Look ahead
to what is up ahead for this team, and get
into a couple different things in this hour and always
time to.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
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That's the extent of my explanation of it. Just get
it and you'll be happy with Let's go there, you go.
Let's let's go back to yesterday. Get more thoughts from
the coach, Zach Taylor on what transpired.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Here's Zach Taylor.

Speaker 5 (01:20:32):
Yeah, just I can't I can't believe it. I can't
believe it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
Things right there, and then we just we don't find
a way to get it done and win again. We
just got to make one play, just one play, and
some of these losses turned into wins. And so again
we just gotta's coaches with us this week, finding a way,
finding a way to help everybody and get it done.
Because this is it's sick. It's sick to lose like that.

(01:20:58):
It's sick. That's what happened. So we got to own it,
and we got to keep finding ways to improve and
and keep finding ways to find a win.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
The last two weeks, it hasn't happened.

Speaker 6 (01:21:09):
You surprise, lestrated and whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
Well, we we got to find a way to get
them fixed. We are, I mean, we're like crazy, what
We're trying to do everything we can to get it done.
And and so again that's no, it's not because of
a lack of work, lack of effort, lack of trying
to cover every single stone to get it done. But
but it's it is tough. This has just been the
result that we're dealing with.

Speaker 5 (01:21:34):
Is there anything missing? We just got to find a
way to make a play, get off field.

Speaker 4 (01:21:40):
I mean, it's it's no turnovers today, you know, and
this is a team that's you know, they're gonna finish
plus two in the turnal battle today, Chicago is and
that's where all the wins have come from.

Speaker 5 (01:21:50):
And so you lose the game by five points. They're
plus two in the turnovers.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
They've been plus three, but they've been plus four, they've
been plus three a lot of their wins, and so
kind of more of the same for that.

Speaker 5 (01:21:58):
Exactly, it's a tough plus three today, I guess. So
what they were.

Speaker 18 (01:22:00):
Probably tough game to play at a nine yard line
there were you're thinking about possibly trying to force them
into their final time out.

Speaker 5 (01:22:06):
We ran the ball, I mean, that's what we did
on the first player ran the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
So get cute, and you forced them to do that,
and then you have no points and then the game's over.
So we should trust our guys to get out there
and make a play. And and uh, that's that's just
the way it goes.

Speaker 14 (01:22:21):
Is it as simple as bringing Colston down after he
makes that catch there just someone tackling.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
Yeah, get him on the ground, force him into a
tough field goal, you know, at that point once the
play has been completed, make him execute man again, we
just didn't get him on the ground. Score a touchdown
came over. I mean in the Houston game a couple
of years ago, we were very similar. We were right
there a couple of years ago. So it's just it's

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that's a tough one the stomach, but it is the
result is the result.

Speaker 5 (01:22:54):
And and so again.

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
I feel sick right now, but all we can do
is pick ourselves up and keep fighting. And that's the
beauty of being in this profession and being this locker
room is is we see what we're made of. We're
going to keep fighting. We we know it was gonna
be pretty loud noise out there, criticism. It's deserved when
when we're the record we are and the results we've had.
We're going to keep showing our character and keep fighting

(01:23:19):
and find a way to lead these guys and find
a way to to make some plays and get some
wins and keep this season alive. That's what we're going
to do.

Speaker 6 (01:23:27):
Be fixed on.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
We're going to find a way. We're going to do
everything we can to find a way. I think it's
impossible for me to say yes or no. We've been
trying everything we can, so we'll just keep working at it.

Speaker 16 (01:23:37):
Score thirty eight points last week, forty two yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
This week, most would say in the NFL, that's more.

Speaker 22 (01:23:43):
Than enough points to win a game.

Speaker 16 (01:23:45):
How do you manage the locker room and not having
the offensive players feel any sort of reason?

Speaker 4 (01:23:52):
We fight like hell every single day to maintain the culture.
We have, fight every single day. Talk to everybody I
can possibly talk to, and we're fighting.

Speaker 5 (01:24:00):
These guys.

Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
If if you've watched them practice, they're they're like hell,
working working like crazy in practice.

Speaker 5 (01:24:07):
And so again we just.

Speaker 4 (01:24:09):
Got to get someone in the got to get a play,
someone builds off that play, and and we we find
a way to get some momentium defense.

Speaker 5 (01:24:15):
And and just haven't foud a way to do that
lately coming into the season.

Speaker 8 (01:24:18):
There's a lot of talk on defense potentially be better
through nine games.

Speaker 5 (01:24:21):
Why do you think that hasn't been serio lit. You
just got to find a way. You know, we're we're
we're working hard at it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
And and I know that's a that's a hard thing
to listen to me say over and over, that's the
answer there. There's not a magic formula that we're just
gonna we do it if we if we could, and
so we're just gonna keep finding ways. We got the
bye week, we got to keep working through it. See
if there's something we're missing, See if there's something we
can we can enhance.

Speaker 6 (01:24:42):
We'll work at it.

Speaker 8 (01:24:44):
Joe Flacco plays through the injury, has the performance he does,
and you know that to go to waste essentially how
how to paying.

Speaker 5 (01:24:51):
And there's a lot of great performances day.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
What Joe Flacco did for us this week, you'll never forget,
you know, And and I mean, just no one what
our quarterback room is working through right now, what Joe
Burrow is doing too, and Joe Flacco and with Jake's
all the things he's done, it's a really mentally tough
room that leads by example.

Speaker 5 (01:25:09):
Joe Flacco got the opportunity to show that this week.
That's him.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
Joe Burrow working like crazy behind the scenes to do
everything he can to help our team. Flacco, I mean,
he couldn't. He could barely lift his arm this week,
you know. And he's willing to go put himself out
there for a bunch of teammates that he's been with
for three weeks.

Speaker 26 (01:25:27):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:25:27):
He's a football player, That's what he's out of here
and said, he said, I play.

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
Football for a living. That's what I do.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
And and oftentimes you need that throughout the locker room.
Guys that are just football players and they remember that
and they'll go out there and do whatever it takes
to help their team win a game, no matter what
norma the circumstances. Got a bye week next week, get
a chance to get rested up. That's how Joe Flacco
looks at it, and so he went out there and
put himself on the line. I'm sure, he's gonna be
in a ton of pain tomorrow, and we'll give him

(01:25:52):
ten days off and we see if you can come
back and do it again.

Speaker 10 (01:25:55):
Had a terrific game, but what happened on that intentional.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
Down kind of looks like we'd miss unication. Yeah, we
were checking to play and did everybody get it?

Speaker 15 (01:26:05):
The field goal that was after the after that the
decision was out of.

Speaker 4 (01:26:10):
It's a tough decision. It's a tough decision. You know,
you're it's tough. You know whether that was the right
thing to do or not. I'll have to reflect on that.
It's a split second decision because now now you know
you're in your head, you're thinking fourth and three or
less potentially, and so then you've got to shift very
fast to the decision to kick the field goal and okay,

(01:26:30):
now you're down four and hope to get another possession,
get to stop and go in the game. So it
was tricky that that was a decision we made. Obviously
didn't work out, and and I'll have to digest if
if I made the right one there. I'm going to
keep fighting, the coach, You're going to keep fighting. I
know these players have shown that they're going to keep fighting.
It's frustrating for everybody to put in the work that's

(01:26:50):
being put in, and this is the result we've had.
It's it's frustrating and and uh, you know, sometimes you
got to take a deep breath and then come back
to work and try to up lift others. That that's
I faced a lot of diversity here. Uh and and
the only thing I know how to do is keep
trying to lift people up. That doesn't mean we run
from corrections, that doesn't mean we don't give criticism. But

(01:27:13):
at the same time, the easy thing to do is
question everything and point fingers and and and uh be
negative and and be an energy vampire in a lot
of ways. And I think we got enough guys that
just want to continue to lift people up and fin answers,
find solutions, help where they can make myself better, make
the person next to me better. And that's that's all
I know how to do. That's how we built the

(01:27:33):
coaching staff that does that too. We built the locker
room full of leaders and great men that are that
are following suit there. And that's what I've seen from them,
and that's just what we're going to continue to do,
and I don't have something I can say that's going
to say, hey, we we we're just going to fix
this and things are going to be better. It's not
that simple. I wish it was, but I can promise
you we're gonna fight like kel to to keep keep

(01:27:54):
finding whens here and get the season turned around.

Speaker 14 (01:27:57):
Like the tackling issues especially when.

Speaker 4 (01:28:00):
Yeah, we work like crazy at it. I mean it's
always seemed to talk about and work on and we
have to improve.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
After loss, especially these last two.

Speaker 18 (01:28:10):
Do you now going into the buy are you looking
at all personnel for trades, for switches in house.

Speaker 5 (01:28:16):
I keep working with the players we got. That's that's
what we're gonna do.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
We're gonna keep finding solutions with the guys we have,
and if something else comes at us, so be it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:22):
But that's.

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
I'm gonna work with the players we got in here,
and we're gonna keep finding solutions to what's going on
right now.

Speaker 5 (01:28:29):
Be tough here at home.

Speaker 14 (01:28:30):
Really going back to the start of last year, does
that add just a little more frustration to this whole
thing big picture, just how tough it's been to win here.

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
Yeah, it's frustrating. I mean, you use our fans. They
show up for us, and you got to give them something.
You got to give them something.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
Zach Taylor after the game yesterday, and now as they
hit the bye week, we've talked about the precarious situation
and they're in and if you're a head, this is
a challenge for Zach because you've got eight games left.
It's one thing if you're down the stretch and you
got a game just to finish out the season. There's
eight games left. This is not certainly a throw in

(01:29:07):
the towel point of the season. This is salvage this
thing season. And this is a very delicate situation they're
in right now.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
It is it is. It's an important eight games for
the football future. Zach Taylor, Ylly, you know, I mean
and his coaching staff. I mean, I think now Zach
will find out what players think about him as a
head football coach, because now they're backs are up against
the wall. And how they're gonna respond. They're gonna come

(01:29:38):
out swinging. Are they just gonna say, you know it's over,
We're done. Whatever happens happens, Let the organization do what
they need to do. Maybe we need a change who
knows maybe that's the best thing that could possibly happen.
But I do know that Joe Burrow thinks the world
is Zach Taylor. And Joe Burrow carries a lot of weight.
And Mike Brown has always liked offensive minded coaches like

(01:30:03):
a Bill Walsh. So here's a lot of respect for
the football intellect and IQ of Zach Taylor as well.
And Zach's a hell of a football coach. I mean,
the guy grinds man. He puts in the time. He
is a grinder, He loves the game, understands the game.
It's a football family. His brother Press was the past
game coordinator in yesterday's football game. You know they grew

(01:30:23):
up playing football against each other, being very competitive. I mean,
it's a way of life for the Taylor family. There's
no question.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Let's take a time out and continue. We'll get more
from Joe Flacco on yesterday's game and what is ahead
for this team through his eyes. He's Dave Lapham. I'm
alliance but Catlister Bengals Line and the Bengals Radio Network
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radio network in ESPN fifteen to thirty lianes. But catlister
Dave Lapham, let's get more to Joe Flacco's performance yesterday,
And Dave amazing to think it was his one hundred
and ninety ninth career start yesterday, and it was the
first time he'd thrown for four hundred yards in a game.
What a What a what an afternoon? What a performance?
When you throw for four you'd never thrown for four hundred.

(01:31:17):
He throws for four seventy yesterday. And as we said earlier,
all things considered, it's kind of hard to believe he
did what he did.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
It really is. I Mean, all I can say is
they got to keep Joe Flacco after this year. I
know he's signed a one year deal, yes, but when
Joel Barrow is healthy and back as the Bengals starting quarterback,
and that's what's gonna happen, you know, Joe Flacco will
you know, bow out and Joe Borrow will assume the

(01:31:46):
duties and enrolled as the starting quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals.
But Joe Flacco, who's got a better number two than
that in the National Football League? I mean, that's a
heck of a one to two punch. That's a heck
of a of a u at the quarterback position in
the National Football League. And one of them's got eighteen
years experience and is over forty years old, and the

(01:32:09):
other one is a guy that is an MVP candidate,
in my mind, the best in the National Football League.
So to have those two guys putting their heads together
on a weekly basis and making contributions to game planning,
I'm sure Zach Tayler would be very open to Zach
I really like that concept. I'm not too keen on
that one, but that one's really good. I don't think

(01:32:31):
there'd be a problem with that. I don't think Zach's
that ego, you know, artistical. I think he's I think
he's you know, down to earth in that regard. And
Dan Pitcher as well. So I think there's a lot
of good years ahead at the quarterback position with the
two Joes.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Here is more from Joe on his day and the
afternoon as a whole.

Speaker 26 (01:32:53):
Joe Flacco from our perspective, understanding that it's emotional after
a loss like that, but it looks like some of
the offensive players are gaining some tension towards the deepense.

Speaker 14 (01:33:01):
I know you talked about it a little bit like that,
But what do you do as a veteran?

Speaker 7 (01:33:06):
I just be the same person every day and don't
get frustrated from that, and I go.

Speaker 6 (01:33:12):
To those guys just like you do.

Speaker 7 (01:33:13):
And you don't necessarily have to talk about that specifically,
but you just have good conversations with guys about, you know,
doing good things and going to work and.

Speaker 6 (01:33:23):
Taking pride in what you do.

Speaker 7 (01:33:24):
And I think when you do those things, then you're
not just then then you don't have time to get
mad at people that you can't You shouldn't be getting
mad at you know.

Speaker 6 (01:33:32):
We got enough to worry about.

Speaker 7 (01:33:34):
Every one of us have enough to worry about on
our own plates that you can't be worrying about everybody else,
because then all of a sudden, once again, it's going
to be a tough eight weeks for us if we're.

Speaker 6 (01:33:43):
Worrying about what other people are doing. I know, team
is one, it's one team.

Speaker 7 (01:33:50):
In order to have that one team, you need to.

Speaker 6 (01:33:55):
Focus on yourself and do your job.

Speaker 7 (01:33:58):
And I get I get it. It can get emotional,
but you know, there's times to be emotional.

Speaker 6 (01:34:06):
And and and show people that.

Speaker 7 (01:34:10):
And but usually when those times are good, in good
things and towards people you love. And I think if
we're emotional, then we should come at it with an
angle of this is my brother, as opposed to the
opposite of that. I just think that's what good, hardworking,

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tough people do. They don't look at other people. They
look inward, and it doesn't matter what the situation is,
they look inward.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
What was the connection with t so successful today?

Speaker 6 (01:34:40):
He's really good.

Speaker 7 (01:34:42):
I hate to be so simple and have such a
bad answer, but I mean, did you see the catch
you make? Let that go route for the first touchdown?
I think it was the first touchdown was incredible. I
mean I was laughing. It was just stupid.

Speaker 10 (01:34:53):
It was.

Speaker 7 (01:34:54):
It was crazy, and I think everybody kind of realized it.
It was just I mean, I kind of I had
one on one with them. I don't really know if
I should have thrown it up or just can't come down,
but I'm like, it's one on one.

Speaker 6 (01:35:07):
I'll put one up there.

Speaker 7 (01:35:09):
And as I let it go, I was kind of
I honestly was kind of like a I don't know,
and next thing, you know, was a touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
So were the last twenty four hours like we're get
preparation to get ready the way.

Speaker 7 (01:35:23):
I think Thursday was like Thursday was the thing. Like,
you know, once I went out there and practiced on Thursday,
I knew that I would be ready to play on Sunday.
So then it was just kind of managing my shoulder
throughout the week.

Speaker 6 (01:35:38):
And you know, I'm lucky.

Speaker 7 (01:35:39):
I've played a lot of games, so I didn't feel
like I had to go out there and get a
ton of practice reps. And I probably would have felt
like that anyway, but thankfully the coaching staff also felt
comfortable with me not you know, not getting a ton
of practice reps. I think that's the biggest thing is
it's going to be tough to practice, and as long
as I know that I.

Speaker 6 (01:35:58):
Can get through Sundays, then I feel good about it.

Speaker 8 (01:36:02):
We'll get to talk to you again before we don't
go on the by what do you how, given how
you cannot send those prop social early, what do you
kind of need to be able to do and you
will need to feel about playing when you get back.

Speaker 13 (01:36:11):
From the buy.

Speaker 7 (01:36:12):
Yeah, well, listen, I finished the game last week. I
played this week. I mean, it's not even in my
mind that I I you know, I wouldn't be able
to do something like that. So now it's just about
getting rest and getting as healthy as possible. And obviously
this week is you know, we got two weeks before
we play again, so that's that's hopefully.

Speaker 6 (01:36:30):
That helps locked in.

Speaker 26 (01:36:32):
How important and how proud of are are you of
those wide receivers and Chase Brown and those guys that
caught that ball for you?

Speaker 6 (01:36:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:36:44):
Extremely, I mean I make sure I go to everybody
in that locker room after after a game and just
tell them how much I appreciate them.

Speaker 6 (01:36:51):
You know, my job is not possible.

Speaker 7 (01:36:54):
You know, Quarterbacks get so much publicity and credit for
so many things, but you're really just out there dishing
the ball around and without the guys up front, first
of all, you know, you can't do that. And without
guys out there making spectacular plays and taking little catches
and for touchdowns and.

Speaker 6 (01:37:09):
All those things you know they are.

Speaker 7 (01:37:15):
I mean that's why, like people always ask me, like,
who'd you like when you were growing up?

Speaker 6 (01:37:18):
I mean I always liked receivers and running.

Speaker 7 (01:37:20):
Backs because those are the guys that are out there
like making the plays. And now that I've gotten to play,
now you have a true, just a true appreciation for
the guys up front. Like that's really where the game
is won and lost, is right there up front. So
I just view myself as somebody that's lucky enough to
kind of be the guy that gets.

Speaker 6 (01:37:39):
To play with some of these guys.

Speaker 7 (01:37:40):
And so yeah, every time I get to play with
these guys, I know what everybody's giving weekend and week
out and laying it all out there, so you appreciate
being with every single one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
Dave one of the one quote I love from Joe Flacco,
and he was asked about a stage in the season
where maybe some friction starts or some cracks with the
offense and defense and one team doing their job and
the other maybe not doing it as well, and Joe
Flacco said, you have to have good conversations with guys
about going to work and taking pride in what you do.

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I think when you do those things, you don't have
time to get mad at people that you shouldn't be
getting mad at. Every one of us has enough to
worry about on our own plates that you can't be
worrying about everybody else team is one. It's one team.
In order to have that one team, you need to
focus on yourself and do your job. I just think
that's what's good, hard working and tough people do. That

(01:38:35):
is a very powerful statement from a very wise individual.

Speaker 3 (01:38:38):
If I'm Joe Flacco's parents, I'm listening to that and
I'm going, yep, I raise my kid, right. I mean,
he understands, he understands what it takes. Not just football.
I wish, you know, more people had that mindset, that
attitude about their job and their work on a day
to day basis. You know, yep, I mean the United
States of America may even be more productive. It's a

(01:38:59):
world power, but it might even be more productive. Joe
is very very intelligent in conversations with him, not just
from a football standpoint, but across the board. I mean,
pick a subject, Joe Burrow has an opinion and and
and can do some commentary on it. So I I
really I think he's been a big, big addition, not

(01:39:22):
just the way he plays the game with that powerful
throwing arm, but the way he handles himself, the way
he comports himself on the football field, in the locker room,
out in the community. Uh, he's a He's definitely a big,
big plus in the Bengals organization. They did take a
time out.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
When we come back, David, I thought, well, we've got
some time here in the final half hour, it would
be only fitting if we talked about sadly the passing
of our our dear friend Bob Trump and from a
couple of different standpoints, Bob Trumpy the player and Bob
Trumpy the broadcaster in a couple of segments.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
Can we do that as we can?

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
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Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Dave the sad news yesterday and it broke as the
afternoon was beginning to unfold for Bengals football was the
passing of Bengals legend, a broadcasting legend. I always called
him the godfather of sports talk. Bob trump he sadly
passing away at the age of eighty years old, friend
of both of ours, teammate of yours, and meant the

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world to I think both of us, and I thought
we could break up a couple of segments and talk
about Trumpet the player in one segment and Trumpet the broadcaster,
and the other man in watching the highlights of him
the football player. Every time I was struck by the
same thing. Just his body is a tight end, and

(01:41:09):
the wide shoulders and that gallop after catching the ball.
I can't imagine what he was like for Greag Cooker
Ken Anderson to throw the football too, and the way
he changed that offense with what he could do as
a tight end.

Speaker 3 (01:41:23):
Yeah, I mean he was a generational player. He really was.
He changed the game of football for the tight end position.
I mean he is. I mean there have been great
tight ends, you know, John Mackie's and tight ends like
that that have have definitely said changed the world in
terms of how do you defend these guys. They're so

(01:41:43):
big and they're so fast and so athletical. Bob Trump.
He was right there, right there with the greatest of
all time. I think Bob Trump, he deserves to be,
you know, honored in that in that same breath as
a lot of those guys coat hanger shoulders. You talked
about the broad shoulders. I mean, I'm not kidding you.
I looked at that dude and I'm like, holy macro,
look at how wide that dude's shoulders are. Man. And

(01:42:06):
the Good Lord blessed him. The Good Lord reached down
and you know, tapped him on the head and said,
this is this is the way you're going to be built,
you know. And he was trim wasted, you know, and
and long legs, and he could run I'd say sub
four five, four or five and worst case scenario low
four fives and and many they'd isolate him with that
size speed ratio. He had one of the greatest size

(01:42:28):
speed ratios I think I've ever seen. And as long
as I played football, he was in the top three,
if not the best, in terms of size speed ratio,
long legs, long arms, you know, soft hand, caught the
football very very effortlessly and very intelligent, you know, ran
tremendous routes. He'd read coverages Bill Walsh a lot. He

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wanted a quarterback and tight end and receivers to be
on the same page as the quarterback on pre snap
looks of coverages. And Bob Trump he was as good
as there was in that area. And that translated to
his career as a broadcaster. There's nothing that Bob Trump
he didn't see, you know. I mean, he was very
astute and understood the game of football as well as
anybody ever did well.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
In speaking of seeing things, we marvel about Paul Brown's
eye for talent. We talked about Lamar Parrish last week,
taking him out of a small school. But Bob what
started that Illinois wound up at Utah was a twelfth
round pick out of Utah. But when Paul and Bill
Walsh and Tiger Johnson got a hold of him, and
what I mean he in nineteen sixty nine, I don't

(01:43:31):
know if people fully comprehended and appreciate this. In nineteen
sixty nine, Bob Trumpy averaged twenty two point six yards
a catch. That's twenty two point six yards of catches
a tight end. For his career, he averaged fifteen point
four yards of catch. That's incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
It is it is. I mean, that's better than wide
receivers of his era in terms of stretching the football field.
And Paul Brown very wise man, you know. I mean
he saw Bob Trumpy when they went to scout him,
and Mike was involved with that decision making process as well.
They went out to Utah. He was a good play

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He was a star player on the basketball team at
Utah and one of the leading rebounders. Could score, I mean,
played Bengal basketball, you know where you go around in
the office storming games. Yeah, and go play faculty, you know,
members of schools for fundraisers and everything. And Trump could play. Man.
He was physical, he played hard. He was a really
good basketball player, and it translated to his game on

(01:44:29):
the football field as a tight end. I mean, he
was he was a prototype. He teams were looking for
the next Bob Trumpy and that was the way it
was for a number of years.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
I thought Kenny Anderson put it perfectly this morning. He
tweeted simply, Bob Trumpy was Gronk before Gronk.

Speaker 3 (01:44:48):
And I thought that was wow.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
That is very well said, putting into context what his
skills were for people today who think of Rob Gronkowski,
that was Bob Trumpy.

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
Agreed, agreed, And you know, everybody looks at Gronk and like,
you know, he's a little Dodo bird. Whatever. Gronk has
got tremendous football IQ. Tom Brady will talk about it,
how smart Gronk is and the adjustments to Gronk would
suggest to Bill Belichick and to Tom Brady. Trump he
was the same way Trump. He had come off the
field and say to Kenny Anderson and you know, and

(01:45:18):
Paul Brown and Bill Walsh's look, they're doing this. I
think if we put me in motion and change the
strength of the formation, You're not gonna adapt quickly enough.
I'm gonna get off the line of scrimmage, a free release.
I'm gonna hurt people down the football field. And they
degree we'd do it. And Trump knew what he was
talking about. Man, there'd always be a big play. Let's
take a time out of come back.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Let's talk about Bob Trumpy, the broadcaster from NBC to
Sports Talk.

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
At all that came with it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
Holy cow, man, I don't know if we have enough
time to cover everything he did from a broadcasting side.
BOYD we'll get into it next. He's Dave Lapam my miliance,
but Catleister. It's Bengals Line on the Bengals Radio Network
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(01:46:06):
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Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
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Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
We continue remembering Bob Trump, he who sadly passed away yesterday,
and from a broadcasting standpoint, I always called him, with
great reverence, the godfather of sports talk.

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
Because he created it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
I'll never forget a conversation I had with him where
he had heard Bill Russell doing sports talk radio in
LA in Boston and thought, man, would it work here?
Could I do it here? And from that grew the
sports talk and just his his presence on the radio
and that voice there was just there was nolike him,

(01:47:00):
there's been there was no one like him before, There's
been no one like him since. He just had a command.
When you tuned into him, it just felt and sounded big,
like he had control of everything. And as I always say,
as a kid in an area where there were no
podcast or anything, if you wanted the gospel of sports talk,
what was going on in Cincinnati, you turned on your

(01:47:22):
radio at six o'clock and you just waited for Bob
Trumpy to say something. And you knew if you wanted
to know how to feel about something or what the
reaction was to something, you turned and said, what does
Bob have to say?

Speaker 3 (01:47:35):
And Bob made sure that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
You knew he was right, I mean all the time
about whatever. It was true, But that was part of
the charm of Bob Trumpy. You had your opinion and
you were wrong. He had hit his opinion and he
was right. But it was just when he said it,
there was just something to it, magical and powerful to it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:52):
That's a great way to put it. Last. I mean,
you know you you were around Trump for a lot
of years. You know him as well as anyone. I
When I first heard him talk, when I got drafted
and came into the locker room for basically mini camp
is what it was back in the day in the
in the mid seventies. I heard this voice and I

(01:48:13):
tried to that's the voice of God. What what is
going on? Am I in football Heaven? What is the
voice of God doing here in the city of Cincinnati?
And uh? And it was Bob Trumpy. And this guy,
like you said, Lance, for years and years the he
covered the big events, the Olympics, super Bowls, you know, Trump,

(01:48:36):
he had all that on his resume. I mean for
a guy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
Super Bowls, yeah, three Olympics, crazy, three Ryder Cups.

Speaker 3 (01:48:42):
Yeah, I mean, come on, now, we're talking horse racing. Trump.
He but he could make anything exciting with that voice,
you know. And he and he'd raised it. He'd he
had tremendous cadence and and voice inflection, you know, and
he knew how to naturally, knew how to handle all
of that. He was something special. There's no question. I mean,

(01:49:04):
the broadcast world lost a legend. And I'm serious, he
should be. There should be an award given to NFL
broadcasters on NBC, CBS, Fox, whatever, the Bob Trump Award.
You know for the best analyst played by play guys
aren't eligible, sorry, but for the best analyst of the year,

(01:49:25):
and it would be an annual thing, the Bob Trump Award. Now,
I'll uh, I'll go to the grave trying to get
that done.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
He may when when you tuned into NBC and it
was the NFL with him, or whether it was Don Krickey
or Dick Enberg or Charlie Jones, just just they were
in and he had you know, clearly he had his
thoughts on former players versus media and what meatia knew
versus what a former player. He put so much effort

(01:49:55):
into his analysis. It wasn't he had strong opinions, but
it was always back by something he worked on the
preparation for the broadcast. That's what I had such an
appreciation for. It was strong and it was powerful, but
it was backed by his experience and what he put
into a broadcast.

Speaker 3 (01:50:13):
Right on Lance And I talked to many assistant coaches
over the years that said, man, Trump wore me out.
All he would do, I need another tape, need another game.
I think I feel pretty good about it, but you know,
I just I just want to confirm a couple of things.
I just want to make sure I'm right on a
couple of things that you guys do for masonally and
why you do it, and and the production meetings. Coaches

(01:50:34):
loved going to production meetings with you know, Krickie or
Edinburgh and Bob Trumpy because they knew that he was prepared,
they knew he had done that, they knew he'd done
his homework before showing up. And instead of like, hey,
give me something I can use in the game, you know,
do my job for me, Trumpy was never about that.
It was like, I'm a big boy, I'm getting paid handsomely.

(01:50:56):
I can do this for myself.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
And he said an example he especially here and with
this franchise. He I would think the the pioneer aspect
of former player into broadcasting in doors and opportunities opened that.

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
I mean, think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
You and Chris Collinsworth and Salmon, Willcotts and Boomerie Siasin
and Sam Weish to David Pollock, to others, Tequillo Spikes,
Andre Andrew Hawkins. So many former Bengals came through playing
into broadcasting.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
Yeah, that's very true. And you know it was like, hey, man,
if Trump can do it, he was a trailblazer. He
was the Daniel Boone. You know, he was the guy
that paved the way for everybody else to get an opportunity.
And uh, and you wanted to do well because you
knew Trumpy had done extraordinarily well. I'll tell you what
he made. He left his mark, There's no question about that.

(01:51:44):
And it was a it was a very very positive
mark on the game of football as a player and
as a as a broadcaster. And he was more than
solid at both. I mean, Hall of Fame. Uh, borderline
efforts in both.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
And I'll tell you what when when it came to
sports talk, and it's I've talked about it all the time.
I grew up listening to him. I call him once
a week. I'd arguing with him as a as a
young kid. He'd hang up on me. We got into
an argument up Buddy Bell and Wayne cren Chickey one time,
and I'm thinking him arguing Wayne Crenchikey and Buddy Bell
with Bob Trumpy. I called him from a vague family
vacation one time. I was like fourteen years old. I

(01:52:20):
called from Cape cod Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
Never forget him.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
Saying, why are you calling from Cape Cod said, I
want to talk about the Reds. But and when when
I had a chance to to then work with him
and do the Friday Bengals pep rally and we did
a roundtable show walk here on Thursday nights with him.
But I used to always marvel. He would boy, we
butted heads and clashing it and I'd say something and
he'd look at me and peer at me over those

(01:52:43):
glasses and he'd say, you've.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
Clearly never played the game before.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
I would just know how to get going. And I
always had a way. I'd learned certain things that would
push his buttons. And I'd say, like on a daylight today,
where I'd want a statement made by the organization, they
need to do something.

Speaker 3 (01:52:59):
They need to make a statement.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
And he looked at me and say statement, and he
do that big booming laugh.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
You and your statements, You just always want to make statements.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
I was like, that was such Bob Trumpy. I used
to drive him nuts with that. He drive me nuts
with things.

Speaker 3 (01:53:14):
And I'll tell you he was he was great with
If he was on the losing end or realized he was,
it was going downhill for him. From an argument standpoint.
You never played the game. That's that was his catch all.
You know that that was the that was the saving
the saving glogy right there. Have you played the game?

(01:53:34):
You never played the game? And he got that from
Paul Brown. He heard Paul Brown say that many times
to people in the media. You think you know everything
about football, son, you've never played the game. And the
beauty and the and the power of Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:53:50):
Only Bob Trumpy could one call up Bob Knight and say, yeah,
let's come on, come on Sports Talk. I spend an
hour with Bob Knight on Sports Talk and decide they
were gonna blow out all the commercials, play none of
the commercials because I'm gonna keep the General for the
entire hour. Only Bob Trump he would have the power
to say, I'm talking with the General for an hour

(01:54:11):
and just I'm sure Doug Kidd or whoever was like,
you know, break take time out, and just kept talking,
kept talking, kept talking. No commercials figured out later. I've
got the general lie and then.

Speaker 3 (01:54:21):
The guys would have to figure it out later, the
sales managers and to make good commercials, you know, and man,
what kind of damage did Trump do this week?

Speaker 10 (01:54:28):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
Or remember?

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
He would he would make the hot Fudge Sunday bets
with callers and then pay it off at the UDF
down below and Mount Adams across the street. Absolutely, I
will never forget the year in the NCAA tournament, he
swore up and down that Houston would never lose to
North Carolina State. He said, North Carolina State shouldn't even
get on the bus and go to the game because
Houston's gonna beat him in North Carolina State wins. And

(01:54:52):
he had to pay off so many bets for that,
and it was just he was one of a kind.
He was absolutely one of a kind.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
They broke them all, There's no question about it. And
my heart goes out to Pat the sons because Jason
they lost. They lost a husband, father, great man, I'm
telling you, and and literally literally Lance, I feel like
this guy, tremendous player, tremendous broadcasters, should be in the

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Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
Yeah, you know. And a final thought, just from my standpoint,
and he is. He's remembered as somebody who could be
gruff and rough and they had that booming voice. But
to me and the defining moment of the relationship I
had with Bob Trump, he had nothing to do with
a show. When when my son Casey was diagnosed with leukemia,

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Bob Trumpy was the very first phone.

Speaker 9 (01:55:46):
Call I got.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
That's amazing and said whatever you need, whenever you needed,
and said I will be a bone marrow donor if
you need one, and I will. I will never forget
that moment in my life and what it meant to
our family and that to me. For all the tales
I can tell of Bob Trumpy, that is the one
that means the.

Speaker 3 (01:56:05):
Most of me, and that's him. Do a tea. When
I think, when I think of Bob Trumpy on his obituary,
it should say football and family. Yep, that's what he
was about. He was about football, playing the game, and
about his football family, and then also about his football family,
you know, off the football field, his true family, his wife, Pat,

(01:56:26):
his sons and everything we already talked about. He was unique.
One on one, they broke the mold man, no doubt
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
We'll take our final time out, come back, wrap things up.
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Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
All right, we wrap it up, the bye next week,
no show next week, and man, I go back to
what we said off the top, Imagine the difference had
they had they won yesterday in dramatic fashion, two touchdowns
in the final forty nine minutes, get the wind pulled
a four and five. You get to hit the buy
and relax on that joy and belief that you've created

(01:57:21):
with the win. And now you gotta sit on yesterday's loss.
You got the trade deadline coming up. There's uncertainty in
so many places right, just such a change in emotions
after yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:57:31):
Man, you know, it's like you go into a into
a bye week and there's a cloud hanging over your
head following you into that bye week. You know, it's
like it could have been a sunny sunny time, could
have been joined the beach, you know, go lay out
layout on the beach during the bye week, literally, but
not to be so. Now you've got to figure out

(01:57:52):
a way to turn the worm, and it's going to
turn quickly because quite honestly, on a week by week basis,
it's these games melt away. You're the sand runs out
of the uh, out of the whatever, the class, thank
you sir, the hour glass and and you're running out
of time, and it's it's a you can't panic. You

(01:58:16):
got to make sure you take care of business and
you and you do it the right way, but you
got to do it quickly. And it doesn't get any easier.

Speaker 10 (01:58:22):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
You got Steelers still a hey, you got the Patriots,
who are better than everybody. You got the Ravens twice.
You got Buffalo, oh man.

Speaker 3 (01:58:30):
And not just great players, but the coaches. I mean,
think of the coaches, the head coaches and the coaching
staffs on those on those football teams. You know you
got Tom and you have Rabel. I mean you get
you got guys that are hard nosed, get after a
type of football people. You know, they were players themselves

(01:58:50):
and uh and then when they were done playing, wanted
to commit their rest of their lives to to the
coaching profession and their working lives. So I'll tell you
what not gonna be neat, She tasked, but that's life
in the National Football League. Man, If you're not ready
to accept the challenge, you shouldn't be here.

Speaker 10 (01:59:06):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:59:06):
Final thought, as you were mentioning the sand and searching
for the word, I flashed, of all things to the
soap opera. What's the soap opera with the hour glass?
Is the days of our lives? What are those two
look at me going to soap operas to come up
with the word. I just remember the open of that
soap opera was like like sand through the hour the
sand of our lives through the hour glass or whatever

(01:59:27):
that line was from the soap opera. And we're officially done.

Speaker 3 (01:59:32):
And totally done.

Speaker 2 (01:59:33):
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