12-18-25 Bengals Roundtable Show with Lance and Rocky

Lance and Rocky break down the Bengals being eliminated from postseason play, preview their matchup against the Dolphins with Trags, and talk with Chad about UC Football and the College Football Playoffs.

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Speaker 2 (00:52):
All right, let's get it go on six eight. If
it's Thursday night, it must be the Roundtable Show. And
that means we're hanging out at Longnecks in Wilder Lance.
McAllister Boyman. Two hours do unfold tonight. We've got Bengals,
We've got bear Cats. We've got some college football to
talk about as well. Rocky has navigated the highways and
byways through the rain and the wind and eventually there

(01:14):
will be sleep and there will be dropping temperatures.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Christmas shoppers everywhere, total chaos, chaos.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
This show sets up for a little bit of chaos tonight.
I get this almost feels like on the verge of
like Christmas break and let's just cut it loose and
fire away and do that for two hours tonight, so
we have some ground to navigate. We are looking forward
to conversation with Trags at six twenty tonight. Boy, he
had an eventful day yesterday at the Bengals press conference

(01:43):
with Zach Taylor. We'll talk with Chad Brendle the Bearcat Journal.
You see football coming up in the seven o'clock hour.
We're gonna hear some of what Zach has said this week.
We'll talk about that. We'll hear some of what Joe
Burrow has said this week, talk about that as well.
And Rocky. I'll say this just as the tea. I mean,
the cool thing is we've experienced losing. Certainly we've experienced

(02:04):
losing Bengals seasons, but they've been losing and they've been boring,
and we've reached this point of the year and we
were I was probably printing out like mel kiper mock drafts.
We've reached a point in this season where it's a
terrible season. But holy Cali, they've given us storylines. Yeah,
there is action and there are storylines that talk about

(02:25):
and we will talk about them tonight. Does that sound
like a plan?

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yes, sir, All right, let's.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Get to some headlines and then we will go. We
start with the Bengals. They continue to work on the
Dolphins today for Sunday's matchup in Miami. T Higgins still
in concussion protocol, was limited. Does not look like he's
going to play. Shamar Stewart was a full go. It
does look like he will play. Among those not practicing,
BJ Hill, Chris Jenkins, Charlie Jones, and Joseph o'saidh Thursday

(02:52):
Night Football rams at the Seahawks eight to fifteen on
Fox Sports thirteen sixty. College Football. Bearcats continue work on
Navy and the Liberty Bowl January. The second offensive lineman
tarn TiO, Evan Tengisdahl, and Joe Cotton all announcing today
on Instagram they are returning next season to be a
part of the Bearcat offensive line. Who their quarterback will

(03:13):
be next year? To be determined. We'll ask Chad Brendle
about that and more as he checks in at seven
o six. Congrats the former Bengals quarterback AJ mccerrn. He's
been named head coach of the Birmingham Stallions of the
United Football League the UFL. He replaces Skip Polks, who
stepped down earlier this week. Until this week, McCarran had
been a candidate for Lieutenant governor of Alabama. On Wednesday,

(03:37):
McCarran ended his campaign for state office. Holds the son
of Blue Guy to the club three consecutive championships, was
USFL Coach of the Year in twenty twenty three and
posted a thirty three and seven record with the Stallions.
I have a Can I tell you a quick Skipholtz story? Yes,
When I was in South Bend working in TV nineteen

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ninety one, Skip was the wide receivers co and the
night before a week before the opener against Indiana, Rick
Meyer and Demetrius de Bos remember those names. We're part
of a group arrested at a campus party for underage drinking.
And of course, anything that happens in South Bend related

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to Notre Dame is major news and the thought was
they would receive a suspension and not playing the opener
against Indiana. So I'm the weekend sports guy at that
point and we needed reaction from Notre Dame and they
weren't talking. Imagine that, John Balisari and they closed ranks.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
We're not going to talk.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
So I went with my photographer to lose house, really fault,
and I knocked on the door and Skip answered and
I said, yeah, I was hoping to get a comment.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
From your dad.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
And he said he's not talking and he closed the
door off. That is my skiphole, you tried. I was
the very aggressive and h fact seeking young reporter at
that point, and Skip Poltz just said he's not talking
and he closed the door. But you know, to meet

(05:06):
Rick Meyer from Goshen, he was good. Not as much
in the NFL, but at Notre Dame.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
I feel like the biggest thing people remember about Rick
Meyer is Beino Cook guaranteed and he's gonna win two heismans.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Yes, yes, how do you? How do you?

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Was it Rick Meyer? Ron Poullos, No, it was Meyer
or was it Paulas Maybe it was Paula. I think
it was Paula. Paulis Yeah, sorry, Yeah, I watched Rick
Meyer win a I'm pretty sure if I remember this correctly,
win a state championship quarterbacking the Goshen. Think that the
Goshen Redskins and Goshen, Indiana just outside of South Bend.
He's a hell of a high school quarterback. I'm flashing

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back all right back to the headlines. Uh. I like
when we just kind of debate into our own topics
within the headlines. Red's announced the signing a free agent
left tended pitcher Caleb Ferguson to a one year contract today.
Charlie Goldsmith reports it's for four point five million dollars
to twenty nine year old. Split last season between the
Pirates and Mariners, he pitched in a career high seventy
games and at a three point fifty eight earned run average.

(06:03):
Hockey Blue Jackets skate on home ice versus the Minnesota
Wild tonight seven o'clock. Blue Jackets, coming off a four
to three win in overtime on Tuesdayay the sad in
tragic news today, seven people, including NASCAR driver Greg Biffle,
along with his wife and two children, died today after
a private jet he owned crashed at a Statesville North
Carolina Airport, there was fog, there were issues, tried to

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turn the plane around. The fifty five year old was
a two thousand to two NASCAR Bush Series champion, two
thousand Craftsman Truck Series champion, and well respected and left
around the circuit and dies tragically today along with wife,
two children, and according to reports, three others. Those are
your headlines. We've got trags around the corner and Rock.

(06:49):
We started to talk about this off air, and we'll
get into what Zach has said this week and the
contract extension that the club doesn't want to talk about
and he didn't want to talk about, and what Joe
Burrow has said this week. But I think it's almost
moved us too quickly past an evaluation of exactly what
happened on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
This team at home.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Playing for its collective playoff lives, no showed.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
They got to be twenty four to nothing.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
They had the ball for thirty nine minutes, they ran
thirty one more plays than the Ravens, and they were
out gained by nighteen yards. And Zach Taylor, boy wonder
of the offense, engineered a offense that didn't score a
single point and it looked like a team that really
had zero interest in playing a football game. And I
don't know why that isn't more talked about in terms

(07:41):
of exactly what Zach is doing and exactly how the
players are responding to him right now.

Speaker 4 (07:46):
They look cold, Yeah, they look cold.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
The car and to your point, I mean they had
three drives early on in the game inside the Rams
or Rams ravens like thirty three yard line yep, zero points.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
That's hard to do, right.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
We'll ask Trags a little bit about that, but a
lot about his exchange with Zach yesterday and more as
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(08:23):
is the round table Show Lance, but catlist Rocky Boyman.
Let's jump right into it with our first guest, our regular.
He covers the Bengals for c LNS Sincy with thewy
dot com host of the Jungle War podcast on YouTube,
the man they referred to as Trags and Mike Petrellia.
Imagine how easy it would have been and what it
would have been like yesterday had Duke Tobin just walked
into the room before Zach and said, guys, I know

(08:44):
you're aware of the report. What questions can I answer
about my coach, my quarterback and my team.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
Yeah, but you know that's not the standard operating procedure
down at pay Course Stadium and it never will be.
It's just I mean, that's why you have to understand
that part of Zach Taylor's job description is to answer
questions to the media for the entire organization, be the
face of the organization, if you will, And that's why

(09:13):
he gets paid what he does by the Browns and
Blackburns to handle, you know, the stuff when it hits
the fan. And I will say, and I wrote this
on colnssinc dot com, he handles it with great grace.

Speaker 6 (09:28):
He handles it with a smile.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
He doesn't get short with us for the most part,
and when he does, he still is pretty polite about it.

Speaker 6 (09:37):
But that still.

Speaker 5 (09:39):
Doesn't answer why he was given a two year or
a five year extension again after the twenty twenty two season.
Somebody would you would think, step forward from the organization
and say, well, this is why we extended him twice
in the period of two years. That answer is not
going to be forthcoming, obviously. I asked that question yesterday afternoon.

(10:04):
Zach was not going to illuminate us as who came
about And you know, it's just part of the reality
of covering that beat and part of the reality of
the way the Bengals do business.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
You accept it and move on.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
So not disclosing the contract would is still ridiculous, but okay, fine,
but now it's there.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
It exists.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
The contract extension happened. You asked Zach Taylor about it,
and he's not He can't comment on it like it's factual.
It exists, Like like, what was the in your opinion?
Why was he reluctant to even answer.

Speaker 6 (10:41):
That, because I don't.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
I think he feels like he was would be betraying
the trust of this family that did you know that
gave him the extension?

Speaker 6 (10:52):
Uh. And furthermore, I.

Speaker 5 (10:54):
Think he doesn't want to take the chance of speaking
out of line, which he kind of alluded to. I
don't want to speak for other people in the organization. Well,
we don't get a chance to speak to other people
in the organization. But the reason he doesn't want to
detail the contract that he signed is.

Speaker 6 (11:11):
Because he feels there was.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
An agreement between himself, the Blackburns, and Duke Tobin. And
the same can be said for Joe Burrow when he
negotiated his mass of two hundred and seventy five million
dollar contract extension. They managed to keep that pretty quiet.
Jamar Chase and t Higgins. When Rocky Arsenal was negotiating

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that deal for his two clients with the team, again,
the details were very very quiet, and the Bengals successfully
over the years have kept things very close to the
best and that's just the way they like to do business.
So Zach Taylor wasn't going.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
To step out of line with that modus opper end
trags of everything interesting that Joe said yesterday, Was there
one thing in particular that caught your ear more than
others yesterday?

Speaker 5 (12:02):
Well, I think the obvious is that I think about
a lot, or you think about a lot of things.
He was speaking in third person when he said it,
But Paul Danner Junior did a fabulous job of asking
him if he sees a world where he's not playing
with the Bengals.

Speaker 6 (12:18):
Next year, and he said, no, I don't.

Speaker 5 (12:21):
But going forward after that and saying, do you see
a world where you could play for another team down
the road, He's like, you think about a lot of things.
And then Paul brought up the fact that, you know,
there's always seems to be blockbuster moves every once in
a while in the NFL, even with the star quarterbacks
Dayton Manning with the Colts going to the Broncos, Tom

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Brady going from the Patriots to the Buccaneers. And then
you know, Joe Burrow brought up even this year with
Micah Parsons being traded right before the season from Dallas
to Green Bay.

Speaker 6 (12:57):
Stuff like that happens.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
As Joe Burrow said, crazy things happen. Well read between
the lines. You don't have to be, you know, that
much of a sleuth to understand that he could be
referring to Joe Burrow down the road. And sure that
could happen down the road if things fall apart. And
you know, I'm not going to sit here and speculate that, oh,

(13:19):
there's a could be a trade next.

Speaker 6 (13:21):
Year or a year after that. I'm not going to
do that.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
And it'd be pretty naive and ridiculous to throw that
out there. But if the Bengals don't take care of business,
if they don't do what they need to this offseason
to address the defense like they did after twenty twenty
and twenty twenty one, sure if anything's on the tabletrack.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
I know Jamar Chase spoke on Joe Burrow's behalf about
Joe Burrow, and you know, maybe some of the answers
he gave it to questions, what is the general feeling
of other members on the team about Joe Burrow?

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Has that changed at all?

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Do they have any other insights that they've shared recently,
you know, the struggles of the team and whatnot.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
Aside from what Jamar Chase said after the game about
you know, maybe he'd like to see changes going forward,
maybe that would could happen next year.

Speaker 6 (14:17):
He kind of walked that back a.

Speaker 5 (14:18):
Little bit today saying that, you know, he loves the administration,
loves the ownership. And I asked him, well, why do
so many players stand up for this ownership and the
front office? And he said because probably the way the
young players are treated Shamar Stewart aside treated when they

(14:39):
get to the organization, They're treated very well.

Speaker 6 (14:42):
They're treated with a lot.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
Of loyalty and care, and I guess that means a
lot to the players. So Jamar Chase kind of walked
that back. I thought a little bit today there was
clearly a tone of I'm not going to go after anybody.
That's not why I'm going to sit up here and take,
you know, take questions.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
He also said something interesting.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
Today about you know, when you have a bad season
like this year, it's all part of the journey.

Speaker 6 (15:07):
Joe Burrow said the same thing yesterday.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
A lot of players are repeating that, Look, you have
a terrible season. You don't want to go through a
terrible season, but it's part of your journey in the NFL.
And not every player gets to play on the twenty
ten New England Patriots and have ten years of unprecedented success.

Speaker 6 (15:26):
The NFL is not built that way.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
Not every player gets to play on the pat Mahons
Kansas City Chiefs of the last ten seasons.

Speaker 6 (15:33):
It's not realistic.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
And some of the Bengals are, I think, coming to
a reality.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Check in that regard drags lessen a minute. Are we
going to see Shamar Stewart on Sunday? And if so,
how important are these final three games? For him and
what the coaches see from him.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
So I was in the group in the scrum around
Tamar Stuart and he said, Yep, I'm tracking to play
on Sunday. I expect to play and I'm looking forward
to get back on the field because I've been through
a lot this year.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
He's missed a lot of time.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
He wants to get that first career NFL sack, and
he said.

Speaker 6 (16:07):
I was asked, does he have.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
A celebration in mind if indeed he gets that first sack?
And he said, yeah, I think I'm thinking of something.
But you can tell that Chamar Stewart has worked hard
to get back to this point. Doc Taylor mentioned it
yesterday in his press conference that he's been very diligent.
And you know, give Chamar Stewart a lot of credit.
He's been through a lot, from the contract negotiations before

(16:30):
training camp began to the injuries to this point. I'd
like to see him get on the field for the
final three games and kind of get some momentum going
for twenty twenty six.

Speaker 6 (16:40):
And I'm sure he would too.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Traig's Your Price of Staying the Course is a must
read for those who want to read watch and follow
tell him how they can do that.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
The LNS Sincy with a y dot com. You'll be
getting a feature in terms of looking ahead to what's
at stake also this weekend in Miami. I'll have that
up sometime tomorrow. Also, you can follow my Jungle War
podcast that's up on my YouTube page YouTube dot com
slash Jungle War Pod and has always got those highlights

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and some of those clips from the locker room.

Speaker 6 (17:16):
That's up on the X app. Trags tr Ags.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Excellent stuff as always, Thank you sir.

Speaker 6 (17:23):
All Right, gentlemen, have a good one.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
He is Trags on the Bengals beat. We'll take a
time out, get to check on news and get back
into Zach Taylor conversation. If we continue from LONGEX and
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Speaker 4 (17:55):
Who will you say?

Speaker 2 (17:56):
The Lions McAllister Rocky Boyman and we work our way
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this week's hot topic around the NFL. We'll make it
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champions on and off the field. It's a combination of things,

(18:40):
but we'll start with Zach Taylor, who Paul Dayer Junior,
broke the news earlier in the week. He quietly top secret,
got a contract extension after the twenty twenty two AFC
Championship game they lost to the Chiefs. So where everybody
thought he had one more year left on his contract
being next season, he now had as two more years

(19:01):
after this year left on his contract that was not
divulged by the team or by Zach. It's led to
questions about and you'll hear Kelsey Conway asked the question
looking for simply confirmation of that. Yesterday was the first
time Zach had met with the media since that report
from Paul Dayer Junior. Listen to the line of questioning
from first Kelsey Conway to Zach Taylor.

Speaker 7 (19:25):
Yesterday there was a report that your contract with the
Bengals goes through twenty twenty seven. Can you came firm
if that's true? And if so, the organization decided not
to announce it. Do you know why the team decided.

Speaker 8 (19:37):
Not to announce it a year after they announced.

Speaker 9 (19:39):
I don't think it won't matters. I coach every day,
I guess my last and I've been through years in
twenty nineteen, twenty twenty that were literally you coach every
game thinking it could be your last game. And I've
seen how we responded after that.

Speaker 8 (19:52):
Twenty one twenty two.

Speaker 9 (19:52):
Compete for division titles and championships, and so this year
is no different from me. It's going through adversity coaching
every game in this profession like it could be your
last one. I have a lot of confidence in our
staff that we're going to get this turned around and
we're going to finish the season really strong and put
together a great plan to get back to those championships
I mentioned.

Speaker 10 (20:11):
So I'm very confident we can.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Do all that.

Speaker 8 (20:14):
Though it is through twenty seven.

Speaker 9 (20:17):
I'm not gonna respond to that.

Speaker 10 (20:18):
I just told you.

Speaker 9 (20:18):
I coach every day like it's my last one.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Zach Taylor yesterday, see this file is under the category
of they have to make everything difficult. This shouldn't have
been that big a deal by not doing by not
announcing it, they may by now not addressing it, they
make it a bigger deal. I understand Zach not wanting
to speak for the organization. The fact is the organization
should have released that information, and since they didn't once

(20:43):
to become became public, then Duke Tobin should have publicly
made a statement or the team should have simply released
a press release stating we gave Zach an extension, we
believe him more excited about the future. But they have
to make things, for whatever reason, more difficult than they
ever should be.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
That is a great way of describing it. You're right
just unnecessarily hard deal.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
He got an extension. I mean, what, what's the top
secret information? And that is an objective piece of information.
It's not like there's any opinion on it.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
It's just that's a great boy. The contract. We're just
looking is it true or not? We've learned it's true.
Could you just confirm it's But.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
When you when you're not, when you can't comment on
a piece of factual information, it makes you think there's
something to hide exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Exactly right, and it leads to this. Here is trags
yesterday following up in the course of that press Cobbert's
trags with Zach Taylor. Take a listen.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
You don't get a chance to talk to ownership or
we don't get that opportunity, what kind of assurances have
you given?

Speaker 10 (21:49):
You just talk every week?

Speaker 8 (21:50):
Every week talk about the contractor.

Speaker 9 (21:52):
Every week we talk about everything. Contract that's not really
part of our conversation. Every week, we're just trying to
create together a great plan to win football games and
make sure our team's ready to go, make sure I'm
ready to go. So I know that's of curiosity to
you guys, but we're just focused on being the not.

Speaker 8 (22:12):
Say that's reassessed after the season every years. Ask them, Yeah,
we don't get a chance.

Speaker 10 (22:18):
Okay, Well I'm sorry, Okay, I'm.

Speaker 8 (22:21):
Just being straightforward with that. We would ask them, but
we don't get about okay.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
I mean, you just can't make it up. You just
can't make up this type of comedy. I mean, what
what are we doing? What are we doing? I just
I feel like it doesn't surprise me.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
I guess they're saying, look, we don't want you know,
do out there talking because you know, then it creates
headlined No, no, this creates headlines. Can go if he
goes out there and just says, hey, here's what's going on.
And there's ways of answering questions without really answering them.
But at least there's some you don't feel like there's
a transparency that people feel and there's not that doesn't

(23:00):
exist right now.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Tom Brenham in This Morning does his has his weekly
conversation with Zach, and Tom asked Zach about this very
line of questioning and Zach having to speak for the
organization without anybody else willing to speak. Here's what Tom
asked in how Zach answered.

Speaker 11 (23:18):
Does it ever get tough? For you, because I got
to be honest with you, I do feel for you
oftentimes in having to basically be the spokesperson for the
entire franchise almost on a daily basis, Does it wear
on you at all?

Speaker 6 (23:34):
No?

Speaker 12 (23:34):
No, I embrace it. I like the approach that we have.
I look around the league and there's plenty of instances
where you would hope that people wouldn't talk. And because
it's just it's a lot of different voices and now
you get a lot of different opinions and you get
to cipher through you know they have the same page
or not. And so I know from working in this
building and being with everybody every day, ownership personnel, that

(23:55):
we are on the same page.

Speaker 10 (23:56):
We're very like minded.

Speaker 12 (23:58):
I don't mind during the season at all being the
one that speaks. I think that's the right way to
do it. And again, because I've seen around the league
where you just wish people would would not talk. And
so again everyone's got their opinion, everyone's got their style.
This is what works for us, and I'm fully on board.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Up earlier this morning, Tom Brendaman here on seven hundred
WLW with Zach Taylor Rock, I will repeat what I
tweeted yesterday and I've printed it out so I can
read it word for word. It is patently absurd that
Zach is forced by the organization to be the one
that is uncomfortable and defensive in addressing questions about things

(24:33):
done by the organization. It is the structure and the
float chart of responsibility and accountability is out of whacken
this franchise because Zach should not be answering when Trey
is holding out.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
That should be Duke Tobin.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Zach should not be asked to comment on Shamar Stewart's
hold out. That should be Duke Tobin. When Jermaine Burton
is released, that should be Duke Tobin talking about his
draft pick and why I was released. When Joe Burrow
says what he says, the comment should be in reaction
from Duke Toobin about the organization. It's just that stuff
should not be on the plate. And it's the one

(25:07):
part of me that leads me to feel sorry. As
much as you can feel sorry for an NFL head
coach making a nice paycheck, but it makes me feel
sorry for Zach that he is forced into being the
face and representative in answering all of those questions. It
is ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Let me ask you this, So is that like explicitly
stated before they hire a head coach, which you.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Know it is understood.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Is it okay? Is it stated or is it just
along the way.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
That's a good question. And consider this. Zach Taylor is
required by the NFL to speak three times a week
Sunday after the game, Monday afternoon and Wednesday afternoon required
three times a week. This organization speaks three times in

(25:58):
a calendar year. They speak with Duke at the Senior Bowl,
they speak at the Combine, and they speak on media
Day to open up training camp.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
Three times.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
The organization speaks about what they're doing and why they're
doing it, while the coach is forced to do it
three times a week by the league. It's just it's
not fair and it's not right.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
I'm sorry, and this is the only organization that operates
this way correct.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
And look, I.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Don't I don't want Jerry Jones would be the extreme
because Jerry's out there answering every question, holds a news
conference after every game. I go back to what you
said a couple of weeks ago. I'd forgotten about Bill
Polly and actually actually doing a weekly radio show when
you were playing, where he would take calls from people
and he would answer questions about why the organization does things.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
Just I just do.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
I just feel like out of care and respect for
your head coach. Yes, you should not want him to
have to be burned with all the other stuff that
he already is burdened by.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
That is a fantastic point that that may be if you.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
It just I don't care.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
It just it drives me crazy, and I go back
to Trags wrote this in his piece for CLNS Sincy,
and Zach uses that line that really bothers me when
he talks about when things are going poorly and he
says we're all accountable for that, and yet they're not

(27:30):
because is Trags wrote in the piece, there are no
consequences for failure. There are none, there's no consequences for failure,
and yet Zach will continually say we're all accountable to
that and for that, well, I don't even know what
that means, because nobody's ever held accountable for anything. I mean,
you have the the those making the decision who aren't
accountable because they tell the coach to go explain it

(27:52):
to everybody. I just I don't know. I don't know.
And here we are at four and ten. Take a
time out and continue. Let's get into the defensive side
of things and more on what transpired on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
It is six forty eight.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
It's the Roundtable Show Long nex in Wider presented by
Postman Law seven hundred WLW close it in on seven o'clock.
We're rolling tonight. Chad Brendall, the barricat journal checks in
at seven. Lance McAllister rockey boyman. I assume the kids
are fired up, ready for Christmas.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Oh yeah, they're fired up.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Their last day of school is today. Now do you
like Christmas morning? Is there a set time? This is
what I ran into. This is why I'm asking because
when Casey and Peyton were little, it was whenever they
got up Christmas began, and that could be like six
to fifteen in the morning. I will say I miss

(28:49):
the I will always maintain I missed the pitter patter
of their feet, hearing them run down the hallway Christmas
morning into our bedroom. But if it was six fifteen,
that's when Christmas started. As they've gotten older, we've had
to negotiate with the time for Casey to actually get up,
because if it were up to him, he's looks all
about noon and Christmas would start around twelve thirty. So

(29:11):
we've gone through that that change of Christmas dud. Do
you have a set parameter when they are up?

Speaker 3 (29:17):
You go, No, with a seven and a five year old,
it is whenever they wake up, which is I gotta
say they've they've not gotten up at you know, five
thirty six in the morning, you know, seven, seven thirty.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I assume you've learned that there'll be no assembling of
toys the night before. You either buy them assembled or
you don't buy them. Or are you one who likes
to assemble toys?

Speaker 5 (29:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (29:40):
No, I mean I don't mind it, but yeah, I
usually do it, Yeah, after the gift has opened.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
Unless yeah, I'd say all right, do it afterward.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
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the air. Let's do the injury report Postman Law. Injury
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Speaker 4 (30:17):
I think it is.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Safe to say the biggest progress this show has made
from week one to now is my mastering of that car.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
It just rolls off the top. I mean, at one
point Phyllis had to hold you a Q car.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
That's how bad it got.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
Yes, but here we are.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Like the first four weeks, I was a mess, and
then for like week five it was clearly in my head.
And then by week six Phyllis just felt so sorry
for me. She just stood up in the middle of
the show and held up a card for me to read.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
You know you're getting good at this. You may have
a future in this talk radio thing man.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
By the way, thanks to Frand and Phillis. Fran and
his lovely wife Phyllis were very kind of giving us
little Christmas goodie back.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Wait, this was this minor ours, It says.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Rocky, so I assume it's you were I put mine
in my back.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Chocolate.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Very nice. That was very nice.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Guys, thank you, and it's good to have Mike Mills here.
One of the stars in our photo that we took
last week that Fran you know, was it may have
been the best picture Frans taken because the flash was
working and it was perfectly framed.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
He's gotten better as the season's gone on.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Strike progress me, Frian, progress, Absolutely, I had something else. Oh,
let me do what we're doing.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
I told you this is gonna be one of those shows.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Let's review. All of this will get me going. Let's
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(31:55):
sixteen play drive covering eighty five yards that consumed eight
minutes off the clock. They didn't score any points, but
I'm watching and they're huddling up, and there's forty seconds
ticking off the clock from one.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Play to the next.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
They were down by three scores and they just they
took eight I've never heard of a team down three
scores going on a sixteen play eight minute drive just
taking their time as though they just wanted to get
things over with and go home.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Well, that's the thing is, you know, it takes as
a longer amount of plays, but there wasn't the urgency
in between play.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
Hey, let's get up on the line.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
I know they have a no huddle offense where they
communicate the enhand signal.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
And all that, but let's huddle walk to the line.
What do you think? I agree.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
I think they were like, you know what, this just
flat ain't happening today. Let's get out. I mean, the
last half a quarter of the game was you know,
just and see.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
That's why, really, I.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Go back to what I said earlier, of all the
things that happened. And you can debate Zach, you can
debate Joe. I don't think there's been nearly enough like
spotlight shining white hot light on. Would somebody like to
explain how, with the season on the line, playing at home,
that team turned in that performance, Because I guarantee you

(33:15):
that performance, especially driven by an offensive minded coach whose
team scored collectively zero points, that performance would have gotten
somebody fired in thirty one other NFL cities.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
I have no doubt in my.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Mind, especially considering there's been other multiple examples of where
the team has not looked good or not played well.
It wasn't like this was just some fluke right out
of the blue sort of situation.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
No, that we've seen this kind of before. This was
just the culmination.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Fourth time losing by at least twenty two points in
a game this year, and we certainly remember the stretch
that's hard in the NFL. It absolutely the NFL is
is competitive that these days right now in terms of
merging of victory as it's been maybe ever in The
Bengals have lost four times by twenty two points and
went through a three week stretch with Jake Browning where
they simply weren't competitive. They didn't even look like an

(34:04):
NFL team. And yet not only does nothing happen now,
nothing's gonna happen going into the offseason. That's the thing
that leaves fans just and friend just wanting to.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Pull their hair out.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
It's I mean, fans are feeling the same thing Joe
Burrow did. I think last week.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
That's a great way put it's, you.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Know, is the realization that this isn't just all of
a sudden gonna change and be different next year. It's
it's gonna be the same thing, same characters, same cast,
same people leading it.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
That's it.

Speaker 13 (34:35):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
I forgot to mention I read the card. For the
defensive play of the game, I'll go with Jordan Battle,
who came up with the interception, his fourth of the season.
Quick thought on the defense Dan the hour, I ask
Trags about Shamar Stewart. I think it's rather important is
gonna play. I think these next three games, in terms
of anybody on this roster, they may be no more
important than it for anybody but him in terms of

(34:57):
needing to do something for him to feel good, needing
to do something for the coaches to feel good going
into the off season.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Yeah, or else.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
I mean, he is in a bunch of drafts of
of you know where they haven't turned out.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Well, this would be the bust of all busts, and
it is.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
I think it is just patently incomprehensible how a guy
that big and that fast, with that kind of skill
set can't get at least even more tackles. There's got
to be some something he has to show here in
these last three games.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
All right, that's one hour in the books. That was fun,
that was spirited. Let's go into the seven o'clock hour
with Chad Brendle of Bearcat Journal. We've got a story
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Speaker 2 (36:42):
Anyway, we go our number two unfolding from long Next
Lance pc Allister, Rocky Boyman. We take it till eight tonight.
The West Miller Show will follow. At that point, let's
talk some uce football, squeeze in some basketball as well.
Next up the Liberty Bowl versus Navy in Memphis on Friday,
January second. For more on that and all things UCE athletics,

(37:02):
is welcome in from Bearcat Journal dot com. Chad Barndel.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
How are you.

Speaker 13 (37:09):
Well. I missed the mark. I'm letting my dogs out
by I think thirty seconds.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Oh oh, mess out.

Speaker 13 (37:18):
It was not raining when I walked in, because I
was coming home from filling in from O and I
waited thirty seconds and I went to let them out,
and it's now pouring down rain here in Independence, Kentucky.
So the dogs took one step outside, turned around, looked
at me and said, no, thank you sir.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yes, let's start with as much as we've talked about
departures in the portal, let's talk about the news of
significance today, the retention of three offensive linemen who are
gonna run it back, and good news for the Bearcats.
Detail who's returning and how significant that is.

Speaker 13 (37:53):
Well, it's probably gonna be the entire left side of
your line. You're gonna have Jokob, who was one of
the highest ranked transfers in the portal, had a very
good first year at Cincinnati. He's coming back. Evan Tengestahl,
who has in many regards, been named an All American

(38:16):
second third team All American for his first season as
a starter at left guard, and then Taran TiO, who
played right guard this year. My anticipation is that Tyo
will move to center next year. So left guard, left
tackle and center coming back for next year. That certainly

(38:37):
raises your floor. If you're looking at you know, what
is this team? What is the next iteration of Scott
Saderfield football look like? At Cincinnati? Having those three guys back, Boy,
you can sell a portal quarterback on that big time. Hey,
you're going to be protected. You can sell running backs

(38:59):
in the portal on it. You can sell running back
that you have on your robster that you'd like to keep. Hey,
you know, we've got the line coming back. So it's
a big first step in stabilizing the roster for twenty
twenty six.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Speaking of quarterback, the Bearcats couldn't find him easily four
million dollars apparently to keep Brandon swersby. So that means
I guess Lichtenberg and more are the options. Who do
you think starts this bowl game? And then what do
you think happens? Are either of those two guys or
more in the mix for next season?

Speaker 13 (39:36):
Well, Brady Lichtenberg actually his freshman year at UC was
nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
He's been there a little while.

Speaker 13 (39:42):
Yes, so this is this is it for Lickti his
last who Rah? I do anticipate that he will start
in the bowl game. Samas Jones is a red shirt freshman.
He will play at some point in time. I'm in
Memphis on the third or on the second, excuse me,

(40:05):
and then I think he will. He'll be around to
compete for the job. They're gonna They've got Brooks Goodman
coming in as a freshman who they really like a lot,
but true freshman, you're gonna have to hit the portal
for one starting level quarterback, and you might have to
hit the portal for potentially a backup guy just to

(40:27):
get that room back up to size because that's you know,
you need four five quarterbacks in that room, and right
now it's gonna be sam Os Jones and a freshman,
so gonna have to bulk up that room in the
portal for sure. And by the way, Rock four million

(40:48):
is a very low ball number on what Brandon Stores
is going to get. I've I've heard five north of
five at times.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
Wow, oh pays to be a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
I realize Navy doesn't exactly sling it around the field.
I think they average fourteen passes a game, but that
the current status of the UC secondary appears rather sparse,
does it not.

Speaker 13 (41:16):
I think Heagan is suiting up tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (41:18):
It's safety.

Speaker 13 (41:22):
It's gonna be ugly, but I'm gonna be there, you know,
at eleven o'clock to watch. Yeah, they're they're gonna be relying,
and honestly, I don't hate it because you're gonna need
a lot of these freshmen and red shirt freshmen to
show growth and you're gonna at least through these Bowl practices.

(41:43):
And even though Navy doesn't throw the ball a ton,
they throw it more than a standard triple option team
this year. Usually triple option teams will throw four times, yeah,
in a game, and they throw fourteen, So I mean
break out the air raid. But you're gonna need to
see what you've got in some of these guys and
to see if you can throw them in there, put

(42:04):
their feet to the fire and see if they can
hold their own. Because you know, if we're at that
point right, a lot of people are worried. We haven't
seen anything from the high school guys. It's a developmental program.
You don't see a lot of freshmen and red shirt
freshmen on the field. But now these guys are getting
into the second third year in the program. You're gonna

(42:27):
need to find out what you got. If the guys
that you know really the only one I think they
really would have liked to keep with Christian Harrison. I'm
sure they would have been okay if Takuan Sanks would
have stayed around, But I don't think they were going
to overpay at that spot because you already have Antoine
Pete there. So let's find out what we got. Let's

(42:48):
see throw these guys' feet to the fire and see
how they hold up against you know, a Navy team
that's gonna be physical, get down in the box, make
some tackles. Boys.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Gotta ask you a basketball question. James has clearly been
through a lot. He had a nice moment last night.
I was happy for him last night. He was smiling
last night. Give me a big picture observation of this situation,
and what do you make of it?

Speaker 13 (43:16):
Is it what I would have done bringing him back
this early from the situation he went through?

Speaker 10 (43:21):
No?

Speaker 13 (43:21):
Probably not. Is it what I would have done if
I had a multimillion dollar a year job on the
line and had my leading scorer from a year ago
at practice but not on the floor for games.

Speaker 8 (43:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (43:33):
Probably. And that's not to excuse Wes Miller. That's just
reality of the situation. There's not a whole lot of
multimillion dollars a year jobs out there. If you've got
one of them, I imagine you're you're gonna do whatever
you can to try to keep it. That's where kind
of this falls for me. He thought Gigzle could help him,
and there's other things. Obviously. You could see his teammates

(43:56):
were really happy to have Gizzle back yesterday, laughing, smiling
on the bench, having a good time, enjoying him coming
back and playing well. The injuries are mounting up. Like
I get some of the stuff that WEX talked about
in the post game, but for me, let's be honest here.
They need wins. They were six and four. Yeah, times
running out and there is no next year if they

(44:19):
don't get this thing figured out. So putting Jills James
back on the floor. I get it from a coaches standpoint,
just want to make sure it ends up being the
right thing by the kid. Yes, and at least the
early returns are good.

Speaker 6 (44:33):
Good.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Like going on a portal the bowl game basketball, you
are all over at Bearcat Journal dot com. Give listeners
a taste of things they will find.

Speaker 6 (44:45):
Everything.

Speaker 13 (44:47):
A tracker of who's going in the portal, a tracker
of who they're potentially looking at coming out of the portal.
We're tracking coaching changes and staff changes on the football side,
We're tracking who's available and who's not for each individual
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things Bearcats and what has been as busy in November
and December as I can ever remember, sands a coaching change.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
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and that's why we love having you on.

Speaker 13 (45:27):
Thank you, sir, appreciate you guys. You all have a
great Christmas. I don't know what the plan is for
next week, but let me know.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
We will let you know. Thanks sir, Christmas. There you go,
Chad Brendall, Bearcat Journal dot Com. When we continue a
little bit on what Joe Burrow said yesterday, we'll react
to that. Take a look at the Miami Dolphins review,
the AFC North and more.

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(47:25):
in temperature when the Bengals and Dolphins hook up come Sunday.
Joe Burrows spoke yesterday. And when Joe speaks, he's very
He's very reflective, very thoughtful. Joe doesn't say things just
to say things. And when Joe talks, people listen. So
let's listen to a couple of things he said yesterday. First,
Joe talking about with three games left, that much discussed,

(47:47):
should Joe play. Here's what Joe said.

Speaker 14 (47:52):
Feels like everybody's trying to do everything in their power
to make me not play football, and I feel like.

Speaker 10 (47:56):
I'm fighting it, like fighting everybody else. I just want
to play. I just want to play ball. That's all
I want to do.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Speculation after last week, just in general about your comments
last week, how much do you love playing a lot?

Speaker 6 (48:10):
Every year?

Speaker 10 (48:11):
Ever?

Speaker 4 (48:12):
Thought about?

Speaker 14 (48:12):
Not we think about it, but you think about a
lot of different things and in your life, just like
everybody does.

Speaker 10 (48:19):
You think about all different possibilities that could happen. I'm
gonna be playing for a long time.

Speaker 14 (48:23):
I expect to play for a long time, and expect
to play well and consistently great for a long time.

Speaker 8 (48:29):
Is anybody in the building trying to get you to
not play?

Speaker 10 (48:32):
No? What's it like.

Speaker 8 (48:33):
Here and your fans? You'd like to phtograph we'd like at.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Joe, how frustrating is it to hear that given all
the work that you put in, I mean, is your
reaction with people kind of say stuff like that.

Speaker 14 (48:44):
Obviously, fans are going to have their opinions about what
their favorite teams should or shouldn't do.

Speaker 10 (48:50):
That's what makes the sport great.

Speaker 14 (48:53):
That's why revenues are so high, and that's why we
get paid so much, because fans care a lot about.

Speaker 10 (49:01):
What we do and who we are and all things
that come with that. So that's part of it.

Speaker 14 (49:08):
That's something that you have to number one, embrace. Number
two take with a grain of salt a lot. This
comes with the territory.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Are we cool with Joe playing the final three games?

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Yes, because you know, if he's healthy, which he is,
he absolutely should. I we live in the day and
age of in the NBA. There's load management, right, which I.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
Think is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
You know, at the end of the day, this is
a game for fans and they pay money to see
star players and I can't.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
I don't watch the NBA or go to games, but
I feel like I'd be upset to to holy hell
if I went and they're being guys just didn't play.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
So I think Joe Burrow should play.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
You know what, I'm glad you said that because I've
been looking at this is perfect on January. I think
it's January the second the Pacers play the San Antonio
Spurs and Victor Webbin Yamba, the big guy, the freak,
and I will to see Victor Weben Yama, and Casey
wants to see him. And I thought, and I've been
tracking tickets at Gamebridge Fieldhouse to go to the game,

(50:09):
but I thought it would be our luck. We'd buy
tickets to this game and Victor would not play in
that game. And we had an experienced a couple of
years ago where we wanted to see Steph Curry play,
and we bought tickets, and we drove to Indianapolis and
we were standing in line to get in with our
tickets about to be checked by the usher, and I

(50:30):
looked on Twitter and I saw a note from the
Golden State Warriors beat writer and he said Steph Curry
will not play tonight, He'll rest. And it just forever
changed how I look at buying tickets in advance of
anything based on variables like that, and I just I
don't have a guarantee. Victor Wemben Yama is gonna play
on January the second, so I'm not gonna buy tickets

(50:51):
and drive over.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
And You're not the only one that looks at that way.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
I feel like that's killing the NBA, especially back in
an era when in the NBA hey day, back when
I was younger and watching it.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
Guy's played because that's what you do.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
If you're a football player and you're healthy, you should
play football.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Very well said. Here is Joe reacting to the thought,
the sense that there will not be changes in this
organization structurally this off season. Here's QB one.

Speaker 10 (51:19):
I think we have great coaches.

Speaker 14 (51:21):
I think we're consistently putting good positions to make plays
and do our best. Obviously, there's good games in bad games,
just like players have good games in bad games. Because
I have a lot of confidence and everybody that's putting
together the plans for us weekend and week out, that's

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time to say that changes don't need to be made.
Not saying personnel or people. I'm just saying, you know,
what we've been doing hasn't worked the last couple of years,
so you know, we have to think outside the box
to creative about where we go from here.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I think that's a very interesting final part of that statement.
It's clear it hasn't worked and we need to be
think out of the box and do things differently. Are
they willing to do that as an organization? Well, Joe
Burrow has always.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Been pretty savvy about, you know, getting his point across
to the right ears in a press conference, which is
what you want out of your quarterback. You want somebody
that has the savvy to be able to do that
and the message has been transferred.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
Will anybody listen?

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Yeah, I guess prior examples would tell you no.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Very well said. Again, here's one more from Joe. This
is Joe Burrow being asked about voicing his opinion on
potential changes.

Speaker 8 (52:48):
Have you voiced your opinion to them? Cront office?

Speaker 10 (52:53):
We have constant communication, a lot of conversations. A pretty
vague question.

Speaker 6 (53:01):
I think.

Speaker 8 (53:05):
You can be a specific.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Yeah, I know, I know you guys, I know I can.

Speaker 14 (53:10):
There's always conversations being had about different perspectives about what's
happening and what's going on that are being shared with
the big changes.

Speaker 13 (53:19):
Would you expect them to them talk to.

Speaker 10 (53:23):
You about them?

Speaker 14 (53:24):
If they were having conversations about that, about big potential changes,
head coach, director, play friends, stuff like that. I appreciate
being informed those decisions that are being made. That's not
to say that I need to be involved in the

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decision making processes, but I enjoy being kept up to
date about thought processes and.

Speaker 10 (53:56):
Decision making trees.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Joe Burrow, I very much enjoy listening to him because
he's very he you can tell he's thinking as he's
saying it. It's very thoughtful. It's not off the cuff,
and he's trying to find the right word. And and
he's somebody who does not say something just to say something.
He says something message absolutely.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Here's one more. This is a line of questioning from
Paul Dayer Junior to Joe Burrow yesterday. Take a listen.
Is there, ever, is there any world in your mind
when you're not a quarterback with the Fangals next year.

Speaker 13 (54:30):
I couldn't.

Speaker 10 (54:31):
I couldn't. I can't see that now.

Speaker 11 (54:33):
I didn't ever both thought about the possibility of not
being the quarterback here during your career or.

Speaker 10 (54:40):
Do you think about a lot of things?

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Mm hmm, you think about a lot of things. You do.
By the way, if you're wondering that rather annoying click,
that's everybody on their laptops. There's a mic. At least
they have added a mic this year. You can hear
the questions. The downside to having the mic there that
closes you hear everybody typing? Is the beat right?

Speaker 4 (55:01):
You know?

Speaker 2 (55:01):
So under It's the give and take of all of it.
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lives close to home. Who will you save? Let's do
a little oh oh before college football. I have a
high school state championship game moment I need to tell
you about. I talked about it earlier in the week.
This happened in Louisiana on Friday night, all losing a
state championship game.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Team is up one, there's thirty five seconds left. They
have the ball first down. They're gonna kneel it out.
They're just gonna take these and end the game. On
first down, they kneel it. The offensive lineman in celebration
and expectation the clock is just gonna run out, takes
his helmet off, throws it up in the air and celebration.
Flag unsportsmanlike conduct for removal of the helmet that stops

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the clock. That allows the other team to not have
to burn their time out. So then they take the
timeout on second down to stop the clock. Take the
timeout on third down, stop the clock, forcing them to punt.
They punt its blocked team recovers, throws one pass down
to like the twenty seven yard line, and kicks a

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game winning field goal.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
I showed my wife clip and horrifying.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Oh, because one hand you're just so mad at the kid,
and the other hand you're like crush for him because
his whole life, he's.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Gonna think about that moment.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
I thought in that moment, it was like, I forget
if they had timeouts left or whatever, and you don't
want to call a timeout. But it's almost like worth
the coach saying, all right, guys, we're gonna win the game.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
Yeah, no one, you know, no, panic, don't.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Panic, don't mf somebody, don't take your helmet off.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
We're ahead. Let's just calmly go when the time.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
And the other the other aspect, I get kind of
complicated if I explained it.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
But the the the.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Game winning field goal was kicked by the kid who
a minute earlier in the game had missed the point
after that would have tied the game. That's why they
were or yeah, uh no, I further confused that scratch that.
It gets really complicated and I shouldn't have tried to
explain it. Okay, but yeah, they they had missed it earlier. Yeah,
he had missed an earlier kick, and that was the

(57:53):
different game at that point, and oh throws the helmet
in celebration, just thinks the clock's going to take the
zero and they're going to go home. And and in fact,
I well you saw the same video. Some of the
players were turning and celebrating with the fans in the
stands in high five. But I'm thinking they'd won the
game and the yellow flag comes out.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Do you remember this? This is why do I remember this?

Speaker 3 (58:12):
But this two thousand and two Cleveland Browns first or
second game of the year.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Yes, Barrett, Barrett Rudd or what was his name? I
know who, Yes, Derrick Rudd. I think it's Barrett. I
know who you're talking Derrick Rudd.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Like you know helmet, like say, the same thing, thinks
to win the game, Helmet tosses right, game, can't stop
on a defensive penalty, Ye, so and so gets the ball.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Back, same sort of scenario.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
And I remember that because we played the Browns the
next week and Jeff Fisher put that on the film
to talk about that. He said the Browns are a
helmet toss away from being three and ozer or whatever.
But yeah, anyway, Dwayne.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
Rudd out of Dwayne Rudder.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Yeah, there you go, all right.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
Heisman.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Heisman is official for Nando Mendoza becomes the first Indiana
Hoosier to ever win the Heisman Trophy. We were again
this year with a chance to vote in the process.
It's an online process. You enter your first place, second place,
third place submit, not allowed to talk about it till
after it's done. I will give you my final ballot
and then you give me yours if you're ready.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
In third place, I voted Jeremiah Love, running back Notre Dame.
Fantastic season carried a lot of responsibility and weight of
that season with what he did as the running back.
And two, I took Diego Diego Pavia, who lifted an
elevated Vanderbilt to place as they'd never gone before. He
was dynamic throwing the football, he was dynamic running the football,

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rush for over eight hundred yards total, thirty plus touchdowns
on the air and on the ground. And at number one,
I voted for Fernando Mendoza, Indiana Hoosiers talking about taking
a team where they hadn't gone and turned in a
magical season.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
He had moments.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
He had the Penn State throw with some help catch
in the back of the end zone, made a couple
of spectacular throws in the Big Ten championship game, I
went Mendoza one, Pavia two, loved three, and I didn't.
You don't vote for a fourth, But I had Julian
saying fourth if I would have been asked, how did
your ballot? In turn look for the Heisman?

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
But by the way, am I not to say this.
I always vote before the championship games because I.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Don't want I don't want interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
I don't want one game to sway my because I
think you could make an argument, not from your case,
but for Mendoza.

Speaker 4 (01:00:28):
Yeah, because he did have a couple of great throws
in that game.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
I can understand. That's part of the process. To is
the recency bias of it. It's an extra game that
some other guys don't get. How much do you weigh
at it? Yeah, that's that's fair anyway. No, I'm very worthy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
So I went number three Mendoza because I just didn't
think he had I'm not a stats guy, but I
think you had massive number, not massive numbers. Number two
Pavia because I thought he was such a great story
and unconventional, and I got to see him when.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
He played for New Mexico State.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
I'll never forget being in Jerry Kill's office is in
twenty twenty three, week zero, and he's like, yeah, I
got this quarterback. He saves Diego Poppy. He's from such
and such junior college. He was a great high school wrestler.
And then the kid walks in the room and he's
like five foot eleven and you're like, what is this?

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
And he was. He was awesome, right, just he just
found a way to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
And then I had a privilege of calling Vanderbilt again
this year and by that time he was fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
So loved him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
So what you're telling me at number one, Yes, you're
just being a good homer.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
No, I thought, in a year where.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
There wasn't a that dominant five, you know whatever, the
top top quarterback guy, I thought, Jeremiah loves performance.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
And you talk about being the MVP of a team.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Yes, he was definitely the MVP of a really, really
good Notre Dame team. That's why I and I took
a lot of heat. Imagine this from Ohio State fans.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
And why do you have to say and fourth, Well,
I could only pick three guys, and it's no disrespect
to justin saying and or Julian saying, and I'm not
the type who who penalizes somebody because of either system
or weapons. But let's be honest. He I mean his
wide receiver weapons helped elevate him as well. And I
don't I mean, that's not I just I default to

(01:02:27):
I had three spots, and I just thought the other
three were better than Julian saying. That doesn't mean I
don't like Julian saying.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
So there the fact that you have to justify that
says something about some Ohio State fan.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
I'll leave it at that. There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
By the way, there were six different regions of the
country that vote, and the voting is added up by
in each region, and every five of the six regions
went Mendoza Pavia, Love saying five of the six had.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
A region went Love, Pavia.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
I do not see that one. I see the Southwest
where saying was bumped down to fifth because Jacob Rodriguez
of Texas Tech, the linebacker, moved up to fourth in
that region. Rodriguez got seventeen first place votes and finished
fifth overall. So there you go. It's always an honor
for us, and I always I always enjoy because I

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don't want to It's not that I don't want to
be like everyone else, but I'm always curious, like, am
I gonna wind up close to what the consensus is?
Or am I going to be the outlier? And then
if I'm the outlier, did I screw it up? Or
is it too easy to go with the flow?

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
And you don't want to be the outlier.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Just to be the outlier, you want to send people
jelly bye they find out ham are you yes? The
college football playoffs start this weekend. We'll make that part
of by the way, hold on here, I'm looking through
all my notes and I want to make sure. Let's
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Playoffs get going this weekend, you know, And this isn't
really a topic other than an observation. I've always been
fascinated rock just because I like numbers of Since the

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college football playoffs started, there have been eleven editions of
this and Traditionally, the games aren't close, and it's always
odd to me that the committee's job is to select
the best teams and then pin them against each other,
and yet the margins of victory are rarely close.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
In fact, I keep track of this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
There have been forty one college football playoff games over
eleven seasons, the twenty two semi final games. The average
margin of victory in those games has been seventeen points.
There have been eleven national Of the last eleven national
championship games, the average margin of victory is just over
nineteen points, which is odd me because you would think

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this process would would get us test and narrow it
down to the best playing the best. And yet you
know last year's title game the Hio State Dame Ohio
State Notre Dame was eleven. Michigan the year before won
by twenty one over Washington. Georgia BATTCU by fifty eight.
Georgia beat Bamba by fifteen, Bamba beat Ohio State by

(01:05:24):
twenty eight. LSU beat Clemson by seventeen. Championship game, semi finals,
And of the course of these eleven years, there have
been margins of victory of fifty eight thirty nine thirty eight,
thirty five, thirty one, twenty eight, twenty eight. And it's
just it's odd to me that it hasn't the system
hasn't produced better games, and I don't I don't have

(01:05:45):
an explanation for that. I just find it curious.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
Can I project this? Yes, maybe starting this year that
that trend will die off and it'll.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Be closer because because of the portal, there's less dominant
team tams. Like you go about four years ago, some
of those Georgia Alabama teams. Yes, they were the best
because they had great depth. Well, now teams don't have
depth because the fifth or the sixth offensive lineman on
Georgia goes and plays somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
So maybe that'll that'll die.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
If you're wondering the spreads for the opening round, Oregon
is a twenty one point favorite over James Madison, Ole
Miss seventeen and a half points over Tulane. Oklahoma is
a one point favorite over Bama and Texas A and
m a three point favorite over Miami. So there you go.
What do you say we head down the stretch and
talk about the get go? Can we do that? He's rocky,

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I'm like, it's the Roundtable Show, Long Necks in Wilder
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E d U. All Right, tell me the story of
the gecko.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Okay, so let's start from the beginning here though, So
besides me and Kelly and are three boys. We also
have Elvis the Golden Retriever, who just turned sixteen. We
have Ryan Know the Golden Retriever, who we think is
like six or seven, but we're not sure, okay. And
then we recently added Chase the Gecko. His full name

(01:07:31):
is Jamar Chase the Gecko. Okay, Cass what Bronson?

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
It was his thing?

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Which and by the way, geckos are very expensive. Apparently
you got to know a guy. Oh, my mother in
law knows a guy. All right, So got the got
the gecko, and you know it's got this little quair ramage.
I'd say, it's you know whatever, you know, two feet
by three foot, you know, nice little size thing.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
Oh, I thought you were saying the gecko, that's a
large dragon.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Yeah, so it got this acquirer and the gecko's act
is actually really cool, you know, and and it just
kind of you know, you put it on your hand
and it around your arm and just kind of stayed.
I thought it would have been all and skittish and
jumping around stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
So is it gecko a salamander I mean? Or or
is it from the gender?

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
I'm kidding, it's I think so right, it looks like
salamander ish. So we got this, like, you know whatever,
five six months ago, and my wife, as far as
one it takes care of it.

Speaker 6 (01:08:33):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Anyway, now let's go about three weeks ago. There was
another addition into the Boyman family, and that is a
kitten whose legal name is Coco, but we call her
Miss Kitty.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
That was named by me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
So Miss Kitty is a great cat. But I'm not
a cat guy, but this is a great little cat.

Speaker 10 (01:08:58):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
So anyway, so, I you know, get I'm always usually
the first one to get up, and I walk in
the in the living room there and you know, I'm
kind of looking around for the cat and stuff. Anyway,
I look over at the uh the aquarium where Chase
is kept, and the door is open.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
Uh oh, And I say, oh no, So I, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Take the light and I look in there, looking there
on the little plastic trees and the little you know,
the little water dishes and stuff. There is no Chase
gecko gone. So you know, Kelly gets up and you
know then you know she's looking around for it. The
kids are freaking out if we can't find Chase the gecko.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
But we think we know what happened. That is, you know,
something opened that door and it was miss Kitty, So.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
Looked around for it. We're looking in crevices of chairs.
At this point, this is like a This is no
longer like a search and rescue.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
It's just a like a.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
We're trying for a recovery situation. We're trying to find
the body of the gecko. Didn't find it, you can't
find it anything. So looked for a couple of days
and we're like, okay, it's gone.

Speaker 6 (01:10:04):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
It's it's very sad. Well, I come home two days ago.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
And my wife's like, you're not gonna believe this. And
I was like what, and she shows me the picture.
It is a picture of the gecko on the kitchen.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
Floor, like eleven days had gone by, eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Days surviving, surviving.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Yeah, we didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
We didn't leave crickets out for it or nothing like.
It's just it just somehow lived outside its freezing. It
found water, it found food, and he's back.

Speaker 13 (01:10:40):
Is back.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Unreal. That is a story that is I'd love to
see like a mini go pro audience.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
It just tried to just.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Watched and I told this story on on the Eddy
and Rocky Show, and somebody said that he probably stayed
around the refrigerator because there's a warm under the oil,
little water and a little bit kind of you know,
down some scraps right and found you know, probably maybe
found a little spare scrap of dog food or something,
or maybe the random dead spider in the corner.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
He lives, He lives, the lives. That is a perfect
way to end this show tonight. Also, before I forget
that this is our sadly, this is our last gathering
as a as a tandem because you're on assignment for
the next two weeks. So this officially concludes our run
and I say this every year. This is the highlight
of the football season for me. I wouldn't want to

(01:11:31):
do it with anybody else. I have great appreciation, and
I hope you understand the appreciation I have for the
hoops that you go through, the travels you you travel,
and the gymnastics of your afternoon show that you go
through to do this show.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
It means the world to me. And thank you, well,
thank you. You always warm my heart when you say that.
But a pleasure is mine and I wouldn't want to
work with anybody else doing this.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
I truly enjoy. Yeah, it's not easy getting here and
doing all that, but I look forward to it. I really,
I honestly do because I get a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Sending you emails and bugging you with this and that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
That's it. Now. Always a blast, my friend.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Have a great Bowl season, and I will be uh,
I will be watching sounds right, He's rocky. I'm Lance
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