12/23/25 Roundtable Show with Lance McAlister, Chick Ludwig, Austin Elmore

Lance is joined by Chick Ludwig, then Austin Elmore, to discuss the Bengals win over the Miami Dolphins and falling down the draft board. Plus how much should Joe Burrow play the remaining 2 games, CFB Playoffs and more!

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Alright, let's get to at six h nine, seven hundred WLW.
You welcome in. It's Tuesday night. That means a special
edition of The Round Table Show, a Christmas edition of
The Round Table Show. On Lance McAllister Rocky Boyman Auto
assignment tonight. He just wrapped up in Boca calling a
bowl game in his place. This show so big, and

(01:06):
Rocky's so big a personality and so insightful. It takes
two people to fill his shoes. We'll work him in
shifts tonight shift number one. I got this all memorized
thirty years with the Dayton Daily News, the last twelve
nineteen let's starting in nineteen seventy nine, last twelve from
ninety seven to two thousand and nine, covering the Bengals.

(01:28):
If there's been a sporting event take place to be covered,
he has covered it in his illustrious career last fifteen
years as part of the iHeart Cincinnati media family in
various roles. Also the best selling author of the Fantastic
Bengals book The Legends. And he went to school with
Archie Griffin. Yes, that would be none other than Chick

(01:50):
Ludwick stud How.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Are you fantastic? Lance?

Speaker 4 (01:53):
It is awesome to be here. This place is absolutely incredible.
Wall to wall people. A lot of adult beverage being
punished tonight, but it's great to be with you, awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
To be filling in for a rocky point and.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Tonight, did I cover mostly acolently your your resume?

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yes, yes you did.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Gosh if it's if it was Ai man yeat have
a great letter, a great resume.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yes, yes, all right, let's say let's do this. Let's
get to the headlines. Hockey like we usually do, and
then we will navigate our way through this Bengals season
between now and seven thirty Austin Elmore. We'll check in
here at seven thirty tonight. Again, we're at the Long
Necks and Wilder. There is plenty of time for you
to get out here and hang out with us. Let's

(02:38):
get the headlines so we can go. We start with
the Bengals. Jamar Chase voted to the AFC Pro Bowl
Games today. He ranks second in the NFL with one
hundred and ten catches over twelve hundred yards receiving. He
joins AJ Green is the only players in Bengals history
to be selected to Pro Bowls in each of their
first five years in the league. He is the sixth
player in team history with at least five Pro Bowl

(03:00):
selections in his Bengals career. Anthony Munoz eleven, Geno Atkins eight,
AJ Green seven, Chad Johnson six, Lamar Parrish sixth. Bengals
return to the practice field tomorrow ramp up preparation for
a Sunday's matchup versus the Cardinals at pay Corps. A
league high six Ravens, Broncos forty nine ers and Seahawks

(03:20):
were also selected to the Pro Bowl Games today. Reigning
NFL MVP Josh Allen, Drake May and Justin Herbert. Your
AFC Pro Bowl Games quarterbacks Travis Kelcey selected to his
eleventh Pro Bowl. Nineteen players chosen for the first time.
By the way, the AFC South Jaguars eleven and four

(03:40):
had only one player, their long snapper Ross Mattison named
the Pro Bowl Games today. Meanwhile, Brown's head coach Kevin
Stefanski told reporters quarterback DeShawn Watson will not will not
be activated this season. They had opened up that twenty
one day practice window. College Bowl action, Rocky just finished
it for as in Boca the Boca Raton Bowl, Louisville

(04:02):
over Toledo twenty seven to twenty two. Western Kentucky now
trailing Miss Southern Missis, just put a touchdown on the
board and leads seven to three first quarter of the
New Orleans Bowl. Tonight at nine, the Ohio Bobcats take
on UNLV in the Scooter's Coffee Frisco Bowl. College basketball
this afternoon. Kentucky over Bellerman ninety nine eighty five. Cam

(04:25):
Williams eight three pointers on his way to a twenty
six point day for the Cats Ohio State over Grambling
eighty nine sixty three. John Mobley Junior scored twenty. Baseball
Pirates add another bat. They signed free agent first baseman
Ryan O'Hearn two years, twenty nine million. O'Hearn was an
All Star last year hit seventeen home runs last year.

(04:48):
Last week, the Pirates added an all star, the Rays
all star second baseman in a three way trade, Brandon Low.
He hit thirty one home runs a year ago, and
John Hayman of the New York Post reports the Mets
have discussed former Reds outfitter Austin Hayes as a free
agent possibility. All right, those are your headlines. I think

(05:08):
we're caught up. Let's get into the Bengals, what we saw,
what we make out of it, and what was to
be learned, what was learned on Sunday, and what it
means going forward. Then later on seven o'clock hour, and
I can't wait to do this. We're gonna do a
little word association, Chick. I went through and I went
through your years ninety seven to two thousand and nine,
covering the Bengals, and I picked out some names, and

(05:30):
I'm gonna throw you a Bengals name, maybe a coach
or a player, and you're gonna give me a reaction,
perhaps a story. Does that sound like something we could
do in.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
A seven o'clock sounds fantastic glance.

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(08:30):
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o'clock tonight, we go on a three hour excursion Chick
Ludwig for the first half, Austin Elmore for the second
half in Chick, Let's get to it. From this standpoint,

(08:53):
I heard a lot of people say, including Joe Burrow,
Sunday was what it should look like, what everybody expected
to look like. It was awfully nice to see. As
much as Joe struggled last week second lowest quarterback rating
performance of his career, he turns in the second best
of his career against the Dolphins and looked like Joe
Burrow Lance.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
What Sunday reminded me of is a reminder of what
might have been, what could have been, and what hopefully
will be in twenty twenty six. Joe Burrow needed that
game after really the terrible performance from the week before.
These guys are alpha dogs. People are saying he shouldn't

(09:35):
play the last few games of the season. No, he's healthy,
he wants to play and to come back. I mean
it was personal for all the Bengals. You don't want
to get shut out, so they come back strong and
lay it on the Miami Dolphins, and it was just
a fantastic performance and it reminded us of with Joe

(09:57):
and Tea and Jamar on the field together. Uh, just
an awesome, an awesome trio.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
We were talking before the show. There was one play
in particular that Joe pulled off that was just vintage
Joe Burrow and one of those signs that he's moving well,
seeing the field well and doing what Joe Burrow does
really really well.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
And as awesome as the passes were, two t Higgins,
the thirty five yard are down the left sideline, the
nine yard touchdown pass, which was unbelievable. It was the
twenty eight yard or twenty seven whatever yep to Drew Sample.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
Uh, Joe is flushed out of the pocket, He's rolling
to his right, look like, who's gonna throw it away?

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Yeah, he was getting ready to throw the ball away,
and then he sees Drew Sample throws across his body
between the hash marks and then he rumbles twenty eight
yards to the or twenty seven yards to the eleven.
And that drive was finished off by samaj p Ryan,
giving the Bengals the lead for good.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
They would not look back from there.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
We also saw the defense create turnovers, and not just
create turnovers, but every time there was a turnover, the
offense turned it into points. Even when they got the
fourth down stop, the offense turned it into points. It
was David. One of Dave Lapham's favorite lines is complimentary football,
and that Sunday was sixty minutes of as complimentary football
as we've seen from this team this season.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
Six trips inside the Miami University red zone, six touchdowns,
the man just the flood of turnovers to score three
touchdowns in one quarter, and oh by the same guy,
Chase Brown, so man t Jamar and Joe, and then
the emergence of a Chase Brown phenomenal to see.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
You know it is. And at the same time, it's frustrating,
just in a two week span, because I look at
the Baltimore game and they're at home and they're playing
for their playoff lives, and they don't just get shut out.
They looked at times disinterested, and one week later they
play for perhaps their finest game, most complimentary game of

(12:02):
the season. And it's that scale of balancing that out
and I just I don't get it.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
How do you get to the opponent's thirty five yard
line five times and not score a point. That's what
was so frustrating. Yeah, you're blown out your shutout, but
yet it wasn't that bad basically, But yeah, they moved
the ball between the twenties and couldn't score, you know.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Right, even while we're on the complimentary subject, even the
special teams, I mean, Emma McPherson had to boot six
point afters which is good, and only one field goal.
But Brian Rico punted four times inside the twenty two
of those inside the ten they returned punts well, they
returned to kick Tis Brooks forty one yards. The Special

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teams joined the party.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
On Sunday, they really did, and Rico eleven punts into
the end zone.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Not good, but.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Man, his ability to get it inside the twenty yard
line was fantastic. He's really come on, h wow, Charlie Jones,
you know, a Pro Bowl alternate. He's been fantastic this year.
And then you're you're exactly right. And to see DJ Turner, gosh,
Jalen Davis's interception where he basically blocked, you know, boxed

(13:19):
the guy out at the at the sideline to catch
the ball. So fig Newton getting his hands on the
ball that Barrett Carter intercepted.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Uh, just all fantastic to see.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
I thought the Beckels made a mistake getting rid of
Logan Wilson and going with a full blown young.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Defense earlier this season.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
It kind of backfired, but hopefully it'll pay dividends in
the future.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
I'm glad you brought that up. And I was talking
about this morning. We were taping our year end special
Cincinnati Sports and Review that'll run Christmas morning, and I
was with Moe and Tony and Austin, and I brought
up the exact point you made. It never made any sense.
It never matched up that this was a season they thought,
they hoped they could win the Super Bowl. They got
desperate enough to go and trade for Joe Flacco to

(14:03):
save the season, and yet they were playing two rookie linebackers,
which doesn't say super Bowl thoughts. When you play two
rookie linebackers, you are accepting growing pains and mistakes being made.
And this team didn't have the margin of error to
play two rookie linebackers if it thought it was going
to be a playoff team. It never made any sense
to go all in on rookies at the linebacker position,

(14:25):
at least to me.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
Totally agree.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
And the Bengals are three and four coming out of
that awesome win against Pittsburgh, and you've got the Jets
and Chicago Bears coming up, and you lose two heartbreakers,
scoring thirty eight points in losing, scoring forty two in losing.
Those were those were daggers to the kidney, yep for

(14:48):
this club.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
Point.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
I remember when they traded for Joe Flacco and you
start calculating in your head when Joe might come back. Man,
could Joe get back for the final three games? Could
it be back for the final four if they can
just go four and four with Flacco or even three
and five with And this team went went one in
eight when Joe went down, and it just left them

(15:10):
with And that had to be part of the frustration
of Joe, who was busting his tail so hard to
get back and then gets back and then it doesn't happen,
and wanted just an emotional letdown. And he had a
poor game against Buffalo as well, which piled on and
it just made it a really difficult thing to digest.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
It really was.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
And gosh, the national media coming down on the Bengals,
and you know the support of Joe Burrow. Is he
Bengalized and all this, Well, we know that when he
is playing football he's happy. When he's in the training
room rehabbing, he's not happy. And Lance, when you've had

(15:49):
all the success that Joe has had in his career,
National championship, Heisman Trophy, number one overall draft pick, to
go three years without the playoffs at Scott to kill him.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
And that's that's part of the burden that he's carrying.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
You know.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
And along the lines of the rehab.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
And I've learned this the more I've talked to athletes
over the years, and remember talking about this with Joey Vado,
and guys will say once they retire what they miss,
really do? They say they missed the game. Most of
the time they will say they miss the guys, being
around the guys. And you are so detached at times
when you're rehabbing because it's on your own and you're isolated.

(16:28):
And Rock has told the story when when he was rehabbing,
at times, you make it a point to say hi
to people in the hallway, to coaches so they don't
forget you because you think you're so removed from the
equation that that people forget about you. That's a lonely
spot to be. What you're rehabbing is an athlete.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
And we're finding that out with Philip Rivers in Indianapolis.
He's loving life, coming back head and taking a snap
since twenty twenty. Incredible, Yes, that they're struggling. Can you
imagine being a Colts fan, like we talked about off
the year two at one point eight and two and
then a melt down with the injury to a Daniel Jones,
and now they're going to be looking, you know, the

(17:05):
outside looking at.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, made the big trade for Sauce Gardner and then
he got hurt and they lose last night and from
eight to two to not making the playoffs. All right,
we've reached the bottom of the hour when we continue
the other thing that came out of the game and
there you know this chick. There's a lot of fans
who would prefer they lose out to get a better
draft pick. There's a lot of fans who would prefer
they don't risk the health of Joe Burrow and Jamar

(17:28):
Chase and others. There are those who say it was
just the Miami Dolphins. So I asked a question this week,
how many people actually enjoyed the victory? You know, if
I could quote HERM Edwards, you play to win the game.
Let's talk about that angle of things as we continue.
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We are rocking and rolling on this special Tuesday edition, Tuesday.

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Night edition from Long Nex and Wilder.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
It's the Cincinnati Tax Resolution powered by Tope Sheldon Roundtable Show,
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Chick Ludwig hanging out in the first portion of the show.
He's in for Rocky Tonight. Chick longtime Bengals beat writer
from ninety seven to two thousand and nine for the
Dayton Daily News. He has some stories to tell. We'll

(18:35):
do a little word association coming up in the seven
o'clock hour that will include Marvin Lewis. It will include
Steve Tovar among Al Roberts, among many names to get
to at the seven o'clock hour. Let's get to this ago.
I got a couple of cards to take care of.
Will Let's do our standing ovation for last week. It's
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(18:56):
the Newport come together. We'll go with Chase Brown. Nice day,
two touchdown catches, one touchdown rushing. Also nice protection, picked
up a runner that was in Joe's face, headed towards
Joe's face and bought Joe a split second for a
touchdown pass. Nice all around day for Chase Brown, who's
gone over twelve hundred yards in scrimmage yards this season

(19:19):
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became the Bengals all time leading receiver. In catches by
a running back in a season, James Brooks had fifty five,
Giovanni Bernard had fifty six, Joe Mixon had sixty. Chase

(19:43):
Brown now at sixty two catches, He's had a heck
of a year.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Incredible, and Joe Burrow talked about that like his first year,
I don't think he caught a ball, and now he's
just worked and worked at it. And we see the
dividends here and he was untouched in the right under
the end zone. So you can't forget about where that
guy's at at all times.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Let's also review last week's drive of the game, brought
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go with the Bengals first touchdown drive. It was their longest.
There was a short field much of the day after that.
Seven plays ninety one yards. It was Joe to t
for the touchdown. That is our driveway Dumpster's drive of
the last week's game for your Cincinnati Bengals. All right, chicks,

(20:26):
So the Bengals won, but a lot of people there
were there was hand ringing, there was it's just the Dolphins.
It's all a figures. Now they hurt their draft status,
or this will lead to this, or it will lead
to that.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
I just know this.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
I think the idea of tanking is misunderstood by a
lot of people. You're never not going to try to
win a game, and unless you're really, unless it's a quarterback,
I think tanking is a is a futile effort to
begin with if there's one premium quarterback in a draft.
But beside all that, I bought a line it to this,
and I refer to what Herm Edwards once said, you

(21:03):
play to win the game. This team needs to re
establish a culture of winning. And I don't care if
they beat a one win team or a twelve win team.
They won on Sunday and that's got to mean something.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
And Lance, they have to use these final three games,
starting with Miami, to find out who can play, who's going.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
To be here next year.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Sam Weis told me in a press box in Carolina,
find out who's helping you win and keep them. Find
out who's helping you lose and get rid of them.
Every player is not only playing for the Bengals, they're
playing for thirty one other clubs. How many times do
we have to say that? So everything is being scrutinized,
and if you take that field, you better be at

(21:45):
your best. So find out who is going to be
a part of this team next year that they can
count on, that they can rely on, and trust is
huge in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
And in terms of the draft for those hung up
on the draft or to the Bengals held the ninth
pick in the draft going into the game and as
of today they still hold the ninth pick in the
draft in the upcoming season. I know there's still two
games left. I know there is a segment of the
fan base that says, sure, the pressure's off, they're out
of the playoffs. Of course they played better and lance
the will win this week and they'll win next week.

(22:19):
And we know Chick having done this as long as
we have, and I understand this area of concern. I
think some fear if they win their last three, the
front office, Duke and the front office ownership will say, well,
maybe we're not as bad as we thought, Maybe we
could get away with This player will be healthy, that

(22:39):
player will get better and will be okay. That is
a reasonable fear and a cost for hesitation.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
You know, you're absolutely right, Lance, And you know what
does this team need. It needs to bring in two
or three impact free agents to help the young guys
that are coming along. Okay, and then we had players
in the draft on defense, and you can never have
enough offensive lineman, so O, line, dbs, all three facets

(23:09):
of the defense have to be added to.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
So yeah, maybe we're not that far away.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Oh, you know the offense, you know, two young guards,
you've got two tackles, you've got the center, you've got
the skill position players.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
You know how much do they need? You know, on offense?
But defense needs help.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, And what is what remains frustrating from last season.
It's very clear after last season ended, they thought we
had some bad luck. We had a missed field goal
that won't happen again. We had a snap problem, we
had an injury problem. Will be healthy, we'll have better luck.
And really all they did they went out and they
signed TJ. Slayton and that was about it. And it

(23:52):
came back to bite him. And I'm going to keep
pounding this home. They are in a very precarious and
precious spot, the Joe Burrow window. And when you miss
the playoffs. I don't care what the reason is. When
you missed the playoffs with Joe Burrow for three consecutive seasons, that.

Speaker 5 (24:10):
Can't happen a fourth season. It just can't.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
It can't. It's a crime.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
And if they would start slow next year, can I
use my favorite word, Ar mcgavig, it is it will
be Oh, it will be Bengalized to the max.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
And think about it. Having said all we said, we
were talking about this off air this season, this playoff
season for the NFL will not include Joe Burrow. It's
not going to include Patrick Mahomes, and it's not going
to include Lamar Jackson. I mean, what are the odds
that that happens in any season? And we're staring at
it right now.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
That's what makes it such a weird, weird year. And
you know, I think the NFC really is awfully strong.
The three teams out West that are already in oh
and some new blood gush Trevor Lawrence and gosh, Caleb
Williams the Bengals. When Caleb Williams beat the Bengals, they

(25:06):
launched his career. That started a five game winning streak.
They've won seven of eight and he's a monster.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Right now, I will say something tangible and people wonder
what's real and what's not in late in the season,
when you're out of the playoffs. I do like the
fact that defensively they were flying around the football. The
more bodies you get to the ball, the more good
things happened. There was a tandem that popped the ball
loose on the fumble and fell on it. There was
a tandem that popped the ball up in the air

(25:33):
on the pass and intercepted it. Multiple guys to the
ball is a good thing, and that's something I think
is real. That is a sign that the Al Golden
Way is making some progress, not finished product, not Chicago
eighty five Bears defense, but making some progress.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
And it's just that one play, the forty eight yard run.
And then Dan Horde said it during the broadcast, the
misdirection has killed this team this year.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
So take out the one play, the eighth Chan run
of forty eight yards. The rest of the day, the
Bengals allowed twenty six rushes for only eighty yards. That
is a great number. But there's still that this defense
will do something good. Maybe they do something else good
and then they'll be that forty eight yard run, which
is just maddening right now watching them on defense, and.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
You just go to sleep at night and you see
Josh Allen a place that was vacated. He sprints left
for forty yards that was coming off a Bengals touchdown.
And you want them to grind out three to four minutes,
and it happened in a minute and change. Yeah, and
that's what drives you crazy about this defense.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Still ahead, speaking of the defense, let's talk about the rise,
the sudden surge of one Miles Murphy. And let's give
some love to t Higgins who went through a lot
with the concussion, got on a plane last week, got cleared,
had a lot going on, played and came up big.
We'll do that as we continue. He is Chick Ludwig.
I'm Lance Bacallister. Austin takes over slides in for Chick.

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(28:19):
gang here. Joe Anne is taking care of us tonight.
Shout out to Fran and his lovely wife Phyllis, who
I know are listening at home tonight. We wish them
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(28:40):
what the injury designation is. Joseph Osi miss Sunday with
an ankle. We'll get an update on that from Zach Taylor.
DJ Turner was dealing with an illness. Gave it a go,
try to give it a go for a while, and
then could not. We'll get updates on both among injuries tomorrow.
And while we're on a theme of defense, let's review
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We'll go with the trio. Barrett Carter had an interception.
Jalen Davis had an interception. And Jordan Battle forced to
fumble and Miles Murphy recovered that fumble. So we'll include
all for a defensive play of the game and a
segue to Miles Murphy who checked there were there's been

(29:24):
frustration in the first couple of years with Miles Murphy
hasn't done a whole lot. This season, there were moments
where he would flash and show a little something. Now
it seems like the lights staying on and week to
week Miles Murphy is making his presence felt, and they
need his presence to be felt. Weak to week with
his defense.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
No doubt about that, and you can tell that his
his confidence is growing.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
Really the more he plays, Hey, you're thinking too much
as a rookie first two years and to finally get
him out there, maybe at times forced to be in
the life, but you could just.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
See his development.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
The guy is very active, he's becoming productive and it's
only taken his third year, so he's definitely back next year.
We'll see if there's a club option for this former
first round draft pick in twenty seven or whether he
becomes a UFA in twenty eight. But he's really come
on great to see they need him and man. Hopefully

(30:27):
the future is bright for Miles Murphy.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah, we're talking about a guy and you mentioned his confidence.
I think it's really clear watching him he's feeling it.
You can see his confidence and just how he reacts
on the field when he makes a play, and he
seems to be building on that, and they do need him.
Joseph O Siza free agent at the end of the year.
Trey Hendrickson. I don't think anybody believes is going to
be back next season. Shamar Stewart. They still need more

(30:50):
from But you know, we were talking about it during
the break. Lou Anarumo. For all the things lou did
well here, he had a way of doing him and
that leaned towards veterans didn't in a lot of cases
have time or patience for developing guys. Maybe he was
frustrated at times with the guys he was handed to develop,
but he leaned heavily on his veterans and sometimes at

(31:11):
the expensive young guys getting reps and opportunities.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
And I'll say it forever that the Pittsburgh game last
year where Russell Wilson went off on those dump passes
right over the middle, he went for four or five
hundred yards. I forget, I don't know how many touchdowns.
And I said that is Lou's gone after this year, unfortunately,
but that's just the way it is. So I agree

(31:35):
with you Lance and new Blood, and hopefully these young
guys just continue to improve. Gosh, Jordan battled the hustle
place that he's made knocking the ball, you know, the
goal line away from a player, and gosh, fig Newton
getting his hands on the ball that Barrett Carter intercepted.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
So and I'll give you another guy defensively who's just
kind of hung around, hung around in this league and
is now getting a chance at an age twenty nine,
had his first interception.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
Jalen Davis, who was.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
A Dolphin for a while, originally undrafted, then he was
with Arizona for a while. This is going back to
twenty eighteen. He came into the league and he has
lived and survived on practice squads a lot of the time.
With the Bengals, he's been with the Bengals for five
seasons now, but he has started for the first time
three games this year. Came up with the interception, and
he's almost that guy that makes you wonder, well, why

(32:27):
didn't they give him more of a look than maybe
Cam Taylor Britt or somebody earlier in the season.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Back in camp, It's like he's this year's Trey Flowers.
The guys really come on and yeah, where has he been?
Why didn't they have confidence in him earlier? He's blown
up plays yep, running plays, very active, very productive here.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
So man, I hope he can stick around.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
No doubt. Let's talk to Higgins as well. He deserves
some props for it's been a difficult sequence of the
last couple of weeks with the two can cut us
and the questions surrounding why he went was allowed back
into the game and then he got hurt and the team.
He said that the team told him and recommended he'd
go to Pittsburgh to get a meeting with a specialist.
And he flew on Thursday to Pittsburgh, and he talked

(33:13):
about how uneasy he was getting on that flight, wondering,
you know what they would tell him if they told
him that there was something really messed up and he
was going to have to miss the season and check.
I don't think anybody, anybody who was being fair about it.
If t had not played Sunday and they said, as
a team, we are shutting Tea down. I don't think
anybody could have rightfully had a beef with that based.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
On what we've seen him go through with the concussions.
And no, I was spled.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Yeah, I was surprised to see him out there, but
it's a testament to the guy and to get out
there and give it your all and then be oh
man being the star that he is thirty five yards
down the left sideline to really ignite that first touchdown
and then the touchdown catch, Oh my gosh, had to

(33:57):
go back to the Minnesota game. It caught it from
Jake Browning and swiveled his arm around the pylon.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
He is such a mismatch. It looks like a man
among boys, like playing backyard football at times. The catch
he made over top of the smaller defensive back, like,
I'll take that from you. And that's just he's got,
said strength and power and long arms and catcher radius.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
He's everything you'd want to a wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
And he was at the top of the second round.
Teams were going, oh, what a great pick he really was.
But tall, long, you said, radius, and strong hands yep
and he's double catch, you know, double cut balls, you
know over the middle before but oh, and then just
the contrasting styles, the complimentary styles with him Jamar Chase, Oh, Jamar,

(34:48):
he gets the ball and he's a bull in a
china shop and t oh, my two number ones it is.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
It's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
CBS had a stat of on TV Sunday that I
wrote down and I've now added to it since the win.
When the Bengals have had Joe, Jamar and t All
play in the same game, when the threesome, the three
Musketeers are together, the Bengals are thirty two and seventeen.
That equates to about an eleven wins season. Think about that,

(35:21):
when they have all three of them playing in the
same game, they win at a rate of about an
eleven and six record. When one of them is missing,
When at least one of them is missing, the Bengals
are thirteen and twenty. That equates to about a six
and a half win team. You talk about a difference,
and you talk about the importance of having those three
available and on the field every week.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
And to think g.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
Had the hamstring to start last season and they lose
that opening game to the New England Patriots, and he's
outside of the concussions. He has kept himself extremely healthy
all year.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
It's been a phenomenal to see and now just a
matter of and it's I think obvious to anybody that
they you have to feel pretty good about them offensively
what they have, even the offensive line a little bit
of concern with Orlando Brown Junior, but you have to
feel good about the offense. Spend this offseason fixing, upgrading,

(36:16):
adding to the defense.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
No doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
I think in all three facets, Yes, upfront and on
the back end, you know, can they upgrade from you?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
And you're gonna I think that's a great point because
I'll go to the middle. They're gonna have to do
something linebacker wise. You can't just shut your eyes and
cross your fingers and say, Dimitris Knight Junior and Barrick
Caruter are going to be better. You're gonna have to
hedge your bets some way, whether it's a veteran, and
I think it has to be a veteran. You're gonna
have to bring in a veteran who at least is
more of a guiding force for those guys who can

(36:50):
give them snaps. You just can't say those two rookies
will be better next season and roll the ice and
take that chance for another.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
The leadership of a couple of veterans to come and
show the young guys the way.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
We'll be huge, all right.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
We put one hour in the books man. That was
like lightning fast. That was a lightning round of the
Roundtable Show. When we come back, we're gonna play a
little word association. He was on the Bengals beat from
nineteen ninety seven through two thousand and nine. He has
stories to share. I will pull some of those stories
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Speaker 2 (38:21):
An Away we go second hour unfolding Tonight, second of three.
We're back to a normal three hour show Tonight. First
half filled with the Chick Ludwig who's in for Rocky
who's on assignment Tonight. Chick hangs out to the bottom
of they are then us to Elmore in from seven
thirty to nine tonight. Appreciate everybody coming out and hanging
out with us. It has been nuts tonight at Long
Necks and Wilder. If you have a chance, stop by

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and say hey, it is great to see Laura behind
the bar tonight, the best baker in Northern Kentucky. Go
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Speaker 5 (38:59):
Because she's she's.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Done for the moment. But we're talking cakes, We're talking cheesecake,
We're oh, just fantastic stuff. And it is great to
see her and very excited and happy for all of
her success. And happy New Year and Merry Christmas to
her as well. All Right, let's take advantage of the
wealth of information and the storytelling capabilities of Chick Ludwig,

(39:22):
who wrote for the Dayton Ayleen News for thirty years.
Is final twelve on the beat for the Bengals nineteen
ninety seven to two thousand and nine, ozerho where there's
some moments and personalities and individuals who came through the
organization in those years. And I want to give you
some names and you just give me a reaction, maybe
give me a story. And first let's set this up

(39:43):
by and I'm so glad you wrote this today. You
wrote a piece for I believe it's Press Pros magazine today.
Is that correct? Tell me about that first?

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Yes, gosh, it was a week ago where the publisher,
Sonny Falkes calls me and says, hey, kind of an
anniversary shoo. I was one of the first four riders
for the back in twenty ten when the website started,
Hal McCoy's there, and you know, it builds itself as
the best sports stories by Ohio's best sports writers. And

(40:12):
so I was on the ground floor of that, and
and so he wanted kind of a you know, an
anniversary story. The only thing I can think of was
it was my beat, you know, the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
So uh yeah, So.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
I told some stories and gosh, I basically led off
with with Marvin Lewis.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Now take us to that because Marvin was you, it
would be safe to say you and Marvin occasionally butted heads.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Yes, yes, And it was.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
It was draft week of two thousand and five, the
year that Maurice Clarett came out, and I and I
wrote a piece on you know, the draft Week, and
I supplemented with a little sidebar about three paragraphs that said, basically,
the Bengals are not going to draft h Maurice Clarett.
So the next morning, I'm awakened by an early phone calling.

(41:00):
I picked up the phone off the cradle on the landline.
I said, uh, this cannot be good. And like I said,
it wasn't pretty, but it sure was loud. What the
hell are you doing writing that story. Uh well, first Jamie,
his secretary, said, Chick, I'm passing you through to Marvin.
And then he screams in my ear and he says,

(41:20):
tomorrow after the news conference my office. So uh yeah,
after the news conference. So I go up to his office.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
And and you know, he unloads on me. And I
basically told him.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
I said, Marvin, I am the liaison between the team
and the and the patroons, the fans.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
I'm the voice of the fan.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
And I just said a fact that he had to
accept and we shook hands.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
I escaped unscathed.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
But the writers in Washington because he was with the
Washington Redskins after the Baltimore Ravens uh super Bowl, they
told me he said, hey, you've got to call him
out when you think he's wrong.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
And stand up to him. That's what I tried to do. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
And then there was the David Pollock press conference where
I basically said, I waited, you know, after all the
hosannas for David Pollock and I and there was a
pause and I said, David, what were you doing when
your teammates were sweating their asses off at Georgetown College
and he was holding out and he was holding out
and Marvin was sitting next to him, and I just said,

(42:22):
if looks good, kill, I'd be dead. Marvin staring glare
burned a hole in me. So yeah, we had some.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Yeah, all right, take me back to take me back
to ninety seven. This is Boomer quarterback in the game
against the Eagles. They lose forty four forty two. Take
me through a sequence that leads to Steve Tovar taking exception.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
It was the greatest lesson I've learned as a sports writer,
first of all. Okay, but yeah, Boomer led the Bengals
to a four and one finish those last five games
in ninety seven. In the second game, they go into
Philly and lose forty four to forty two. Brian Milne
had scored a touchdown given the Bengals the lead by
a Bobby Hoying Ohio State and Saint Henry High School

(43:04):
throws a pass to Irving Fryar blows down the field,
and Chris Boniol hits a thirty one yard field goal
at the gun. Okay, so I'm in the locker room.
Boomer comes in, throws his helmet at the defense and says,
you guys, don't deserve your paychecks. Okay, So the next day,
you know, and Steve Tovart was a great friend.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
I talked to him like every day.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
And instead of me saying Steve, Boomer said you don't
deserve your paychecks? I just came out and said, Steve,
do you guys deserve your paychecks? And he came at
me with both hands toward my neck, and thank goodness,
there was a flock of writers around that got between us.
He wanted to kill me, and I tried to apologize.

(43:49):
Didn't work, called his agent. It just didn't work. Steve
never talked to me again. And I closed my story
by saying the Forest Gump line.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
That's good, one last thing less guy to interview.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
So uh but yeah, yeah, the greatest lesson I learned. Hey,
blame it, you know, say that Boomer said it, yep,
instead of me saying it. So all right, tell me
about uh, tell me about.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Players bumming quarters off of beat writers for cokes.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
It was basically Carl Pickens would come in and yeah,
it was awesome to have a soda machine, you know,
the mountain dew for a quarter man.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
That was awesome.

Speaker 5 (44:28):
But yeah, there's Carl Pickens.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Making one hundred grand a week, you know, and.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Parking in the handicapped parking spot, you know, and and
bumming quarters off writers Man and Carl was crazy. A
guy would get released during the season. He would go
up to their locker and he would sniff their clothes
and and and like meditate and uh.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
It was. It was a strange scene. Yes, sounds like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
All right, let me give you a name and give
me a reaction when I say j Blake, what comes
to mind? Wow?

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Uh, number one the greatest uh deep ball thrower in
the National Football League.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
Man, just google him up on YouTube. Unreal.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
Yeah, Jeff Wold, I could tell some things, uh for radio.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Yeah, but we'll.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Just stop at the deep ball.

Speaker 5 (45:22):
That's because you know, yes and uh and we have
stayed in touch.

Speaker 4 (45:26):
He became the quarterback coach at the i MG Academy,
uh down in down in Orlando.

Speaker 5 (45:33):
So we've got we've got a close relationship.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
And what was the one yeah story, Yes, we had
to instead of just going up to the players at Georgetown,
we had to ask for them in advance. So Jack Brennan,
the PR director, you had to put in a request.
So I talked to Jeff Blake all the time, so
I put in a request to talk to him, and
the next day Brennan goes, chick, Jeff wants to know

(45:57):
who is this Chuck Lidwig from Dayton And then so
we just laughed about it and I grabbed him. Oh yeah,
can I talk to you, Jeff?

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (46:09):
Yeah, who is this Chuck Lidwig?

Speaker 2 (46:12):
What was it like covering? And tell me about the
end of the run of Bruce Coslin as Bengals head coach.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Well, the one thing I remember about Bruce the Bengals
lose to Jacksonville and Mark Brunel. He pops the top
on his diet coke can, takes the sip to start
the news conference, you know, gives a deep breath and
his first words are we suck. His special ts practice

(46:44):
lasted as long as he could burn a cigarette in
the corner of the end zone at spinning Field. But
he was a offensive genius. And the sad thing is
at the end of.

Speaker 5 (46:57):
Ninety seven he wanted Boomer.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
Back for a couple of years, and and they did
offer him a two year deal. That's what Monday Night
Football job. Yes, and and Mike Brown encouraged him to
take it. And I really do think, you know, with
his son's issues, health issues, that he was mentally, physically
and emotionally, uh spent. But I'm looking at Philip Rivers

(47:21):
boomeris aasin could have come back two or three years
later and been awesome.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
What comes to mind, if anything, when I say the
Achille Smith era of Bengals football, does anything come to mind?

Speaker 4 (47:34):
He came in for a pre draft interview. Uh, Tim
Couch did, Donovan McNabb did, and Achille did.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
And the day he came in was the tornado.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
That ripped up I think it was. Was it Al
Roberts House? Yeah, okay, so the tornado that day? And
h he once they put him on the chalkboard. He
looked great in seven on seven, eleven on eleven drills,
but when they put him on the chalkboard.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
Bruce Koslic discovered he was lost.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Yeah, he was lost.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
I hate to say it, but on his questionnaire who
to call in case of an emergency?

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Nine to one one?

Speaker 4 (48:17):
Okay, But I knew he was trouble when he showed
up at Georgetown College with all of his uh, with
all of.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
His stereo equipment.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Uh, there's no time at training camp to uh, to
really delve into all the music that you want to.
But yeah, all of his hystereophonic equipment.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I knew that might be trouble. I'll never forget Bob Trumpey.
At one point on a Friday when we did the
pep Rally show together. This was after an Achille game.
They had lost and Achille had performed miserably, and Bob
said something about it. I said, well, does he not
understand the offense? And he said, understand the offense? He
says he ran twenty plays Sunday and screwed up thirteen

(49:04):
of them.

Speaker 5 (49:04):
Man, that was just classic Bob Trump.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
His first start, they beat Cleveland and Cleveland yep. And
then the next week it was Pittsburgh, so it wasn't
from boy and then gosh after Dick Lebogue took over
a month after Bruce resigned. Following that, thirty seven and
nothing lost in Baltimore. That's when Corey Dillon went off

(49:27):
for two hundred and seventy eight yards and ten of
his runs were for zero or minus yards. Twelve of
his runs went for to eighty oh yeah, and he
finished with two hundred and seventy eight yards.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
All right, one more before the break.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Former special teams coach Al Roberts tell me an Al
Roberts story.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Al always liked to say, you wanted to a dot
the ie, you know the guys that wanted to dot
the ie. But they needed a couple of bodies during
a special team's drill at Georgetown College and he came over.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
To the bench and he said, hey, you Lurch and
bigger than Lurch, get out there.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
And it was it was Scott Rayberg and Jamaine Stevens.
They had to go out onto the field for a
special teams drill. But love Al. He introduced me to
Billy white Shoes Johnson in a in a tavern restaurant
in Atlanta, and that was that was awesome to meet
White Shoes.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Oh one one more just because he was he meant
so much of his franchise. And and now in the
Ring of Honor, what was it like covering Corey Dyllan?

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Oh my gosh, the best player outside of the you know, quarterbacks,
the best player that i've that I've seen. He was
Jim Brown reincarnated. He ran angry and at times off
the field he was angry, and uh, you know he
got into a little bit of scrape with the Law

(50:48):
after his rookie season, and we reported that he kind
of held that against us. But man, what two hundred
and seventy eight yards and he went for eighty on
the an opening handoff in Detroit's yep, but yeah, CD
and I we text one another. And the last game

(51:09):
at Riverfront Stadium, synerg Field, he went for like one
ninety eight in a three touchdowns but just clock killing
Corey Dylan.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
He was, uh, just the greatest. He was Jim Brown reincarnated.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Let's take a time out. That was fun. We'll come back,
hit down the stretch, squeeze in a couple of different things.
Austin Ilmore will be here at seven point thirty to
replace Chicken Ride till nine tonight, We're at Long Necks
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called snow spheres.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Just FYI.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
I'm with most.

Speaker 9 (51:55):
Times, but Christmas Day, Christmas spirits, We're fun of it.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
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a three hour edition next week, by the way, back
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Before we run out of time, let's look ahead to
the Arizona Cardinals first, who were in a bad way.
They started the season two and zero. They've dropped seventh straight.
They've lost twelve of thirteen. They do have some local
connections of note on their roster, do they not check?

Speaker 3 (53:05):
That's exactly all right?

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Welcome back to town, Corey Kiner Roger Bacon High School LSU
University of Cincinnati. He was an undrafted college free agent
signed by the San Francisco forty nine ers, but he
was waived with an injury, an ankle injury. Then Minnesota
picked him up. He was on the practice squad when
Arizona grabbed him. So looking forward to having Corey Kiner back.

(53:29):
And remember Jonah Williams, former first round draft pick. Yeah,
when they signed Orlando Brown, he was all upset. He
had to move to right tackle and he wanted to
be a left tackle. So what is he in Arizona?
He's a right tackle and he's on the ir for
the second time, and he was given a big contract
prior to twenty four thirty million, nineteen million guaranteed. He

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will have missed. He's out the rest of the year.
He will have missed nineteen of thirty four games in
the two season.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
So and Jacoby Brissett, should I listen?

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Should I listen?

Speaker 4 (54:04):
My backups Eric Sire, Donald Hollis, Billy Wollick, Bruce greg Kowski,
Derek Anderson, Damon Heward, Shawn Hill, Brian Hoyer, t J. Yates,
Trevor Simeon, Mason, Rudolph, Mike White, Cooper Rush and Jacoby Brissett,
all back up journeymans who had.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Beaten the battle. Yes, and nightmares you just prompted. And
Marvin Harrison in Ohio State.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
Yes, Martin Harrison, He's only had one catch in the
month of December with a heel injury. He had one
catch last week for fourteen yards and hopefully he's back.
It's been a down season, a frustrating season. And like
you mentioned yesterday, Lance, the tight end for the Arizona Cardinals'
snut Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Trey McBride.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Trey McBride has one hundred and nine catches for one
thousand and ninety eight yards and ten touchdowns. I would
highly recommend the Bengals cover Trey McBride.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Yes, have the.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Bengals had an issue covering the tight end since back
to your days and beyond have covered the It is
amazing how every year it seems the opposing tight end
reeks havoc of the Bengals defense.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
It's always been that way. Yes, the middle of the
field is open, it's got to get shut down, all right.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Your Ohio State Buckeyes. Yes, not this weekend. We gotta
wait till December thirty first, but they are the two
seed they take on the Miami Hurricanes. How do you
currently feel, what are your emotions, what is your confidence level?
What are your concerns with the Ohio State University Buckeyes.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
I'm extremely worried.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
It's gonna to me it's going to depend on the
offensive line because they're big. I think they're slow, okay,
and the lightning quick defense eve vents of the Miami Hurricanes, Wow,
Ruben Baine.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Junior and Akeem Mesidor.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
And then I'm thinking the buck guys had no business
winning that Fiesta bow years to go, you know, and
ending at thirty what thirty five game winning streak by
the Miami Hurricanes.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Could this be a payback?

Speaker 4 (56:08):
But get Julian Saying protected, give him time and run
the football with with Bo Jackson. You know, I'm not
a big fan of Miami's offense. You know, I think
the Buckey's great defense with all those first round draft picks,
they got to come to play and stop Miami's offense.

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But gosh, the offensive line protect Julian Saying and open
up some holes for But what that game is on
New Year's Eve?

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Yep? Okay?

Speaker 4 (56:39):
And then man the cotton that's the Cotton Bowl in Arlington, Texas,
and then the Orange was always the late game.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
It's the early game on the New Year's Day.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
Oregon against Texas Tech, then the Rose i U against Alabama,
and then the Sugar with Old Miss against Georgia.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
It's my favorite day of the year.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
Lance.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
I met my brother Jeff's house in west Chester. He's
got four wide screens in his in his man cave
and he's a food broker. We're gonna have great food
and we're gonna veg out on football.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
And Ryan Day is handling play calling duties with Brian
Hartline on.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Yes, Yes, and Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
It's gonna be just an awesome quarterfinals here for the
college football playoffs.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
That that i U Ohio State game. Boy, did Mendoza
make some throws late in that game or what.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
He absolutely did and it won him the Heisman, although
he probably had won it against Penn State with Yeah,
that phenomenal catch at the back of the end zone. Yes,
he's he's a gamer. They've got a great defense. They
exposed Ohio State there and Miami is gonna attempt to

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copy it. They are quick upfront, and the pressure that
they're going to apply on Julian saying could be special.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
All right, Then final thoughts on BEng Arizona before Austin
slides in afternoons. I would think this would be that
classic case of Cardinals are out of it, Bengals are
out of it, but the Cardinals are. The Bengals are
at home, Cardinals have to fly across the country. They've
lost seventh straight, they've lost twelve to thirteen. Seems like
a good time to score early and see how interested

(58:19):
the Cardinals that are playing football versus checking out and
starting the plane to fly home.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Totally agree, And a message for the young Bengals on defense, man,
you're playing for your job and come out and get
after it. Put the Cardinals away early, and gosh, have
Joe Burrow another phenomenal game with this wide receivers showcase

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Chase Brown and then just like last week, get Joe
out of there in the fourth quarter it was eleven
twenty two, I believe, to go get him out of
there in the second half.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
All right, this has been a blast. I cannot tell
you how cool it is. You drove all the way
here to hang out and this thing flew for ninety minutes,
and thank you and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Thank you, Lance appreciated. All the best to you and
your family.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Merry Christmas and happy New Year to all the loyal
listeners of seven hundred WLW out there.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
All right, let's do this, take a time out of
come back. I believe Austin will be here. He's scheduled
to be here. I have not laid eyes on him
at this point. Oh he is here. He is Where
is it? Oh okay, he is here. Oh okay there,
I had not noticed him. He is here. We'll talk
with Dan Klaskins, who's got your fantasy football fix. With
championship weekend and a whole lot more to sort through
between now and nine o'clock, let's check new Cincinnati Tax

(59:37):
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in part by Ever Dry Waterproofing. It's not dry till
let's Ever drive The holiday season sends Rocky on assignment.
He's got five bowl games this bull season, including in
Boca Raton today for the Louisville game, and Louisville won
that Louisville Toledo twenty seven to twenty two, if I
remember correctly. And to replace Rocky it takes two individuals.

(01:00:20):
We split it up Chick Ludwig in the first half
hour for the second portion of the show live and
in person. You hear him weekdays with Tony Pike on
Sincey three point sixty. You hear him in a variety
of roles on seven hundred WLW. He is sitting at
the table with me. Now that would be Austin Elmore.
How are you.

Speaker 10 (01:00:38):
I'm wonderful, Lance, Thanks for having me here. This is
a rare occasion.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
I don't know that I've ever done two shows in
one day with the same person. Our day began if
we could pull back the curtain. We were in the
iHeartMedia studios this morning at nine o'clock. It was you
and me and Tony and Moe, and we did our
yearly sports talk Year in Review and look Ahead, and
we recorded a two hour plus show the whire Christmas

(01:01:05):
morning at nine am. And here lo and behold, we
are back together again for a second show today.

Speaker 5 (01:01:11):
There's just so much to talk about.

Speaker 10 (01:01:12):
I mean, it is we could do that entire show
over the next hour and a half if you want to,
because there's that much to talk about. And I'm excited
to talk about the Bengals as well, and finally a
little bit of hope around this, Like isn't it amazing
how much better of a mood everybody when they win,
Like we wouldn't want to do two shows in one
day if they had.

Speaker 5 (01:01:31):
Lost, but now we're like, yeah, we can do two. Yeah,
that's no big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
And we've improvised tonight, which I kind of like, and
Mike remember this next year because I actually preferred this
setup because the place was packed and to the point,
we didn't have a table, and so Mike improvised and
grabbed a smaller table and moved it to a different
spot in front of the big.

Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
Giant claw machine.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
And the way the table is set up, we're sitting
across from each other talking face to face. Usually the
traditional setup were side by and I have to turn
to talk to Rocky. I actually like it's like we're
sitting at a table like having a beer or a
coffee and just talking sports. So Mike, you're in charge.
Next year, I want to do the face to face

(01:02:12):
setup and I'll put Rocky on the other side of
the t.

Speaker 10 (01:02:14):
Well, I don't know if you want to stare at
Rocky that we I mean, obviously I'm a lot better
to look at than Rocky is. But I get what
you're saying. I want to know if you've used that
claw at any point. No, but at one point during
the show, second Christmas shopping could be happening.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
There were there were.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Like twelve kids shoved in behind me playing the claw
machine and trying to win little uh little Rubber.

Speaker 5 (01:02:37):
Ducks prize Time Deluxe is there? You go?

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Uh, we're gonna start off. We're gonna start off big,
and we're gonna make this because you know, I have
cards to read. We're gonna make this this week's Hot
topic around the NFL, brought to you by Hudson Oil,
fueling champions on and off the field. We're gonna localize
it to the Bengals the hot topic. And I heard
this a lot from Joe Burrow mentioned it, and I
think we've all mentioned it that Sunday. We'll get into

(01:03:02):
the debate of how much it meant and what to
take out of it in our next segment, sure, but
for the moment that Sunday is how it was supposed
to look. In an ideal world, the performance we saw
on Sunday would have been translated extrapolated over a seventeen
game season.

Speaker 10 (01:03:16):
That was fun to watch, yeah, and it was a
reminder obviously of what could have been, what should have been.
I heard chicks say hopefully what will be. And that's
the thing with me is I know Tony and I
have disagreed a little bit on this. I know some
people on social media have disagreed with this. I really
don't think the Bengals are that far away, and Sunday
was a reminder of that. And if you think even
after the Baltimore game when they got beat twenty four

(01:03:38):
to nothing, Joe Burrow was asked about not being far
away and he said, I don't think we're that far away. Truthfully,
hard to fathom in that moment after that game, but
easy to understand where he could get that after the
way that they played against the Miami Dolphins on Sunday,
and when you look at the pieces that you know
have to be in place on defense, and the money
that they have to spend in all of that, I

(01:04:00):
think there's a path for it to happening sooner rather
than later. This isn't like a rebuild that they have
to do. And this was a reminder on Sunday of that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
And the encouraging thing is and you know, this is
one of Dave Laplan's favorite lines about complimentary football. That
was the very definition of complimentary football. They had an
offense that produced points following turnovers being handed possessions by
the defense, and special teams carried there into the bargain
as well. It was a complete three element performance by

(01:04:28):
this team.

Speaker 10 (01:04:28):
Yeah, and that's what you have to have, Like in
this league. We always talk about, Okay, you don't have
to have the best defense in the NFL. You have
to have an opportunistic defense. And if you're going to
have a defense like that, you got to have an
offense that can score. And I feel like the Bengals
are never a top flight special teams unit. I mean,
I know, Darren Simmons has been here for one hundred
and fifteen years. They've been okay, They've never been great

(01:04:49):
at the special teams, and again the bar is very low.
Can you not fumble a kickoff? Can you make the
extra point? Can you get four touchbacks inside the twenty?
Your guy Ryan Rico showed up yes, And so when
you finally get that all together, it's easy to see. Okay, Yeah,
this is what this is what complimentary football actually looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
And I think everybody had, had you been a betting person,
it would have been a good bet that Joe Burrow
was going to bounce back after the way he played
last week, second lowest passing performance of his career. He
turns in the second best of his career. But watching him,
the passes he completed, the way he moved out of
the pocket, extended plays, that was the Joe Burrow. And

(01:05:33):
as he said, he he had fun. He was with
his teammates and they won a football game. That was
the Joe Burrow. That is super Bowl caliber Joe Burrow.

Speaker 10 (01:05:42):
Yeah, And I think the team responded and kind of
rallied behind Joe because whatever was going on football or
non football, it kind of crept into that Baltimore game.

Speaker 5 (01:05:51):
It was zero degrees.

Speaker 10 (01:05:52):
Everybody was miserable and they're like, you know, what we
got a rally behind Joe Burrow here and let's hold
up our end of the bargain and try to finish
this thing. And I think that's important, especially when I
think of the defense. You talk about playing complimentary football
and all that. Zach Taylor challenged them at halftime, we
need turnovers. Go get turnovers, and they did that. And

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again that's them holding up there into the bargain, because
if Joe's going out and throwing three touchdowns in the
first half and looks like him and they're three points
ahead of Miami at the half, it's like, Okay, here
we go again.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
We can't lose another game like this. And they held
up there into the bargain.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
What is perplexing to me, which I don't know what
to make of it from this standpoint. Had the performances
been reversed, had they played really well against Baltimore but
lost and been eliminated, I could have understood a letdown
and then losing this weekend. Maybe I don't understand how
they went from looking disinterested at home with the season

(01:06:49):
on the line, not scoring to looking and I know
the Dolphins are a factor in that equation, but I
don't understand the difference in performance and engagement level for
this team. I don't know how important that is ultimately,
but that let me confused.

Speaker 10 (01:07:04):
Yeah, I agree with that. I mean I didn't expect
him to be at that level. I don't know that
anybody did, because you know, I've I've long pounded the
table for Zach Taylor. I'm a Zach Taylor guy. But
against Baltimore they quit on him. Yeah, and that worried
me about what the rest of this season would look like,
especially what that meant considering the news coming out about
him getting an extension yep, and where this path is

(01:07:27):
going to lead. But I think I was, you know, reminded.
I know those guys in that locker room like Zach.
I know they respect Zach. I know they like playing
for Zach. Does that mean that he should be the
head coach? Not always, but it does have an impact,
especially in games like this that mean nothing. And the
response after a game as bad as it was against
Baltimore with nothing to play for, I think is indicative

(01:07:50):
of the roots of the culture starting to take hold. Yeah,
because those guys are gone. Hubbard's gone, Bell's gone, Hilton's gone.
This whole season has been about, fine, who's gonna be
the people to replace them? Trey Henderson has not been around,
He's not been a part of the team. So now
I think we're starting to see that as we get
towards the end of the season when the adversity hits.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Even that drive in the third quarter against Baltimore whatever,
the sixteen play drive that took eight minutes off the clock,
down by three scores, it was almost like a just
concede this, let's get it over with. There was no urgency.
It just none of it added up to springboarding them
into this week's performance.

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
So I just I don't get it was like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
Unplugged for one game and then plugged back in and
super charged for another. And it just I don't that's
the only odd thing. I don't know what to make
up that. That's a great point. I wish I had
an answer for you, because you just don't see that. Yeah,
and you certainly don't see it from the Bengals to
go from one end of that spectrum to the other
in such a short period of time, and the fact
that they turn it over each time they turn it over,

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including the turnover on downs the offense then scores a touchdown.
I mean truly, in the most complimentary of the essence
of the game. They took advantage of everything they gave them.
And I mentioned this with Chick what I liked about
the turnovers. It wasn't just one guy forcing a turnover.
It was somebody punching the ball out, somebody falling of
the ball. It was somebody punching the ball up in
the air, somebody intercepting the ball. That's what this defense

(01:09:16):
has lacked. That the quintessential get guys to How many
times have we seen mistackles. They got multiple guys to
the football and made things happen on Suday.

Speaker 10 (01:09:25):
Yeah, and you know, I think a lot of people
go into that game thought Devon h Chan was gonna
run all over them, and he certainly had his moments.
But early on in that game, they were swarming to
the football. They were aggressive off the line of scrimmage,
they were getting to the boundary quickly. They're doing all
the things you are supposed to do. And I remember
the quote from Mike and McDaniel after the game. He said,

(01:09:46):
for the first time all season, it felt like we
were out techniqued. They wanted it more than we did.
How many times have you said that about the Biggs defense?

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Zero?

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
The answer to that question is zero.

Speaker 10 (01:09:57):
So I don't know if it is some sort of
pride or something that that clicked inside them. That's like, crap,
this was not how any of this was supposed to go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
All right, Still ahead, We'll squeeze in Dan Klaskins for
the final time this year because it's championship week in
fantasy football. He'll give you the lowdown for our final
fantasy segment of the year. That is next. He's Austin Elmore.
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let's ever dry. All right, let's get to the big
doings from fantasy football. Our next guest, our weekly contributor,
host of Fantastics Insider Football Sirius XM Fantasy. It is
week seventeen, and we welcome in Day and Klaskins. How
are you.

Speaker 12 (01:11:30):
Hey, Lance, Tommy doing tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Brother, We are well ready to go. My son, Casey's
a little bummed. He was headed towards a championship until
last night. He said, I should be good unless Brock
Purdy goes off. And Brock Purty went off and Casey
was doomed a halftime. Absolutely all right, Let's reflect on

(01:11:53):
some insights from this season and maybe make us better
fantasy players in the future.

Speaker 12 (01:12:00):
Yeah, no doubt about it. Lance, You know I've been
playing GERM for thirty years. No matter how long you play,
you could always take class in the DCAD And here's
a few of mine from this year.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
One.

Speaker 13 (01:12:09):
Let's stop wasting valuable draft picks un injured players.

Speaker 12 (01:12:13):
So many guys were drafted Brandon.

Speaker 13 (01:12:14):
A, Joe Mixon, a small of players with mid round
picks and never actually played a football game. But the
way injuries occur in the league right now, you can't
afford to start with.

Speaker 12 (01:12:23):
A couple already.

Speaker 13 (01:12:24):
Rookie running backs seldom deliver early round value. Insidiffy was
the top ten pick of Marion Hampton Treaty un headed
round two and three rd parties around four or five.

Speaker 12 (01:12:32):
None of them really delivered on that value. Owners are
offen patient, so generally they're overrated.

Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
Lance.

Speaker 12 (01:12:38):
I'm still waiting on quarterbacks next year too, Drake Mate,
Matthew Stafford, Trevor Lawrence, Jushin, Perpert, Caleb Williams, Sam Darner,
all those guys who were drafted outside the top twelve
that every league I was in, and all of them
in the top twelve as we did here today. You
got to get an anchor running back in those first
thirty picks. Don't be a knuckleheads. I did it in
a couple of leagues. I've waited at little too long.
You need that RD one and.

Speaker 13 (01:12:59):
Finally you're in a lot of leagues. Don't use the
game strategy and every league mix it up. I got
guilty of this last year, getting a little drunk on
tin ends and those premiums tight end. As the two
of the Big three got hurt, my team, everything was
down to drag. So you know, just whatever your lessons are,
remember him now so they can help you next time.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
All right, let's take one final look the all important
injury report heading into this final stretch man.

Speaker 12 (01:13:25):
This is the time of year where the bad teams
and everybody's hurt. They're going to stop playing. But here's
the key injury to watch. We got a lot of
different days with games, but Lamar Jackson, let's start a
quarterback obviously suffered that back injury during Sunday night games.
Either it was a non participant. Today, the Ravens are
on a short week here. I don't think he's gonna go,
but we'll see wait and see you on the other side.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
Of that game.

Speaker 12 (01:13:46):
Jordan's love. Officially, it can cause some protocol belief Willis
finished out last week and that loss to the Bears. J. J. McCarthy.
He's already been ruled out for the Biking this week,
so Max Brosner Bill looks to start there. Pretty Much
the entire Viking teams hurt. I would avoid all of
them outside of Dustin Jefferson, Trevion Henderson. He's a kincussion
proto probably on Quinch John Junkins. He broke that leg
last week, five to six month recovery. He's ready for

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week one, But you're not gonna have a Browns running back.
He's last two weeks of fantasy what he marks didn't
play last week for the Texans. He's trending in the
right direction. I'm not trusting this guy in Championship week,
so last hope you don't need a dk metcamp this
week or next. His suspense its upheld just hours ago.
He is going to get those two games for that
interaction with the fans. And here's the thing, it's the

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Raven Blue that Green Bay Pittsford had nothing to play,
so the Stewarts offense as a whole getting real sketty
here in Championship week. And then three big wideout injuries.
Were watching Devonte Adams at the Hams being for Shaw
shooting me, Rossie Rice with a concussion rama, Dusney Luther
Burdon two whiteouts of the Bears not on played last week. Obviously,

(01:14:49):
we'll see I'm not looking at any of those guys
outside maybe Adams returning here in fantishing championship week.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
All right, how about lineup advice our weekly studs, duds
a sleepers.

Speaker 12 (01:15:02):
Yeah, let's start with my stud and give you a
little Christmas night goodness. Dax Prescott is my gut. Here's
the players. Scored twenty five plus fantasy points the four
of his last five starts, first the Commanders. He's got
twenty plus fantasy points at five of his last six overroa.
He gets that easy. This week, my stud receiver christ
arcuse Me Chris Alave. He's at Tennessee, the tight fifteed

(01:15:24):
and the ninth past fantasy points to white House on
this season. I really love the way he's connected with
rookie Tyler Schuck. There sixteen catches, twenty five targets, twohundred
and thirty three yards of the three score of over
last two weeks. He is a top ten play this
week on to the does We'll go quarterback on Christmas
there too, Derek Goff. He's at Minnesota. No team's given
up fewer Fantasy points the Fantasy Sigma callers and back

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to Vikings, but they're allowing on one and a half
points less per game than the second beat Sea, which
is the Texans only want to be all here is
passed for more than a single TV in Minnesota. Golfo
I managed it at after once in five careers starts
for the Vikings. I don't like him this week. I
don't like Rieka Dabble this week either. Tough matchup, but
he's only found the end zone once over his last
five games. He hasn't broken fifty eight yards on the

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ground at six straight and he's splitting time with two
bee hundred doesn't help. He's facing the Seahawks table about
the fewest fantasy points two running backs over the last
five weeks. We're benching him and I'll leave you with
a couple of sleepers for Week seventeen. We're gonna go
Michael Carter. I can't go without taking against the Bengals
teams I hate to do with it has been Fantasy
gold and hard. I mean, the usage wasn't perfect, but

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he's clearly that lead back in Arizona right now, more
than doubling other running backs and snatch aout the opportunity
and going against that Bengal defense. They're allowing the most
fantasy points to running back twenty three running back if
a double digit half TPR points against the Bengals, fourteen
of them fourteen plus. That's why I'm projecting Carter here
USRB twenty for Week seventeen, and my final sleeper Troy Franklin.

(01:16:52):
And you know pat Ryant went down rookie there. I
looked for Franklin to get back to that eight to
nine target range when he was a big time fantasy
contributor in October. You're taking up team of late fifteen
point seven PPR over the last susas average. I think
he gets close to that this week. He's in that
wide receiver three ranked here in championship week.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
So it all comes down to this, Dan, give us
maybe a final word or words of wisdom for those
playing in the championship game.

Speaker 12 (01:17:18):
Yeah, well, first of all, congratulations, you got there. Only
two teams out of twelve in most League fourteen, even tennis.
I'm gotten to this point. Only one team is gonna
win that Fantasy league fans, But you.

Speaker 13 (01:17:30):
Know, right now, the biggest word of advice for Week.

Speaker 12 (01:17:32):
Seventeen is pay attention. There's a lot of different days
in the game. You've got to get the right spots
in line. Let's make sure you got the flex guys
playing late. Check the weather. It's December, it could be
a factor. This week's looking pretty good there though. And
I said it a.

Speaker 6 (01:17:45):
Couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 13 (01:17:46):
Here to your process.

Speaker 12 (01:17:48):
You made it this part.

Speaker 10 (01:17:49):
Doing this one.

Speaker 12 (01:17:50):
Don't change it now. So best of luck to everybody.
I hope everybody enjoys this last week the fans football lands.
I certainly appreciate m back here with you another season.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Get talking about my friend, Well, this was was it
always has been a blast. Your commitment and loyalty to
this show has been unwavering for over two decades. Most importantly,
your friendship has been very valued. And I have a
blast doing this and thank you for doing it and
look forward to doing it again next season.

Speaker 12 (01:18:18):
Yes, yes, I feel the same way as my friend.
I with you and your family and all the listeners
and merry Christmas, and best of luck here in week
seventeen and hopefully.

Speaker 13 (01:18:26):
That we can take it up.

Speaker 12 (01:18:28):
Let's win the money, let's get that trophy, and I'll
look forward to talking to you about it again next year.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Sounds like I am playing Merry Christmas Day and take
care all right, brother? All right, there you go. Dan
Klaskin's host of Fantastics Insider, Football Serious XM Fantasy, wrapping
up another It's a year twenty two to twenty three.
I've lost track so many years, but love doing it
with Daniell. I'm I'm at dinner last night and I
turned to Casey. I said, so, how are you looking

(01:18:53):
with your teams for the championship And he said, I
should be pretty good tonight to advance to the championship
as long as brock Perty and George Kittle don't go
off and Purty throws for five touchdowns has a career
high thirty plus Fantasy points for him. And I text
Casey today, I said, so did he hose you? And
he said it was over by halftime.

Speaker 5 (01:19:13):
Yeah, I think it was.

Speaker 10 (01:19:14):
Like the first pass of the game was a thirty
five yard nag George Kittle and it was going to
be a long night. I had a similar situation I had.
I needed twelve points from Tyler Warren to get to
the championship.

Speaker 5 (01:19:26):
Philip Rivers missed him on a wide open touchdown.

Speaker 10 (01:19:29):
He had a drop that ended up in a tip
pass that that fell to the ground. I was gonna
go face off with Rick Yu Chino game showdown and
I lost. Thanks Phil Rivers, oh man, Now are.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
You a one fantasy football team owner or multiple fantasy
football team?

Speaker 10 (01:19:48):
I have five and I am the commissioner of three leagues.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
You you've got. I always thought you had problems. You
haven't even more problems.

Speaker 5 (01:19:59):
Then all starting to make sense, isn't it? It is
all coming together.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
We've got an hour to go.

Speaker 5 (01:20:04):
Hang time.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
We'll turn the corner into the eight o'clock hour. I
want to talk about what's to be taken away from
this past Sunday and the great debate of the meaning
behind it and if winning was fun and enjoyable or
if it was screwing up the draft pick, and if
guys shouldn't play, and all of that as we deal
with the eight o'clock hour ahead. Thanks for hanging out
with us tonight. Austin elmore In till nine. I'm Lance McAllister.

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Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
Anyway, we go our third hour, third of three big hours. Tonight,
the show expands to what is a a regular time
span early in the season for us, before all the
coaches shows get going. We got three tonight, two next
week to wrap it all up. We're back here next
Tuesday night from six to eight o'clock. Rocky Boyman is
on assignment. He was in Boca Ratan earlier today for

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the the Boca Raton Bowl Tough Life Louisville Toledo twenty two,
twenty seven to twenty two the final. Brock has four
more bowl games and he will be out next week.
Austin will be in in his place again thanks to
a Chick Ludwig stud He was.

Speaker 5 (01:22:11):
In earlier for the first portion of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Told a fabulous Marvin Lewis story of Marvin yelling at
him and demanding he report to his office the next morning,
where they went toe to toe, and how Steve Tobar
wanted to strangle him one time in the locker room.
Does not beat story time with the Chick. Long list
of those people with chicklood with Yes, Yes, that was
that was fun stuff. That was excellent stuff with Chick.

(01:22:36):
All right, let's get into and this I ask on
on Twitter yesterday and I think it's part of the
conversation that came out of the game of the Bengals winning.
And we go through this each year they're out of
the race. How much the final games mean, how much
they should they mean? Should they try to tank, should
they try to win? Should they sit players? I'll baseline

(01:22:57):
it very simply. Put, they won on Sunday. Were you
able to enjoy the victory on Sunday?

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (01:23:04):
I was because I like it when my favorite team
plays good football and when the best players on that
team play good football, And I personally, like I just
have a soft spot for Joe Burrow. I want him
to perform at a high level. I want him to,
you know, be the representation of the Bengals that you know,
we've I think a lot of Bengals fans have been

(01:23:25):
missing for so many years. I mean, even Andy Dalton
could only take you so far. Carson Palmer didn't have
the personality like I think there's just something about that.
And anytime you whip somebody's butt, I mean that feels
good as a fan, and I think there's something to
be taken from them.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
Yeah, I just I don't get I always default to
life is tough enough. The last thing I'm gonna do
is be miserable. I don't have to be miserable, and
they want a football game. And I can just tell
you from a very selfish individual standpoint, it's a lot
easier walking into pay corps for Bengals line on Mondays
when they have won a game versus losing a game.
And ultimately, the goal is to There's a reason the

(01:24:03):
standings have a WN and l win or lose, and
the goal is to win. And you know, I quoted
HERM Edwards earlier and I'll quote it again. You play
to win the game. I just I don't have the
time or the storage in my emotional bank to not
be happy with a victory. If you want to get
wrapped up in in draft picks, they're in the same

(01:24:25):
position they were going in. They'll pick ninth. That may
change over the next two weeks, but I don't know.
I just think if you are to be a winning organization,
you have to win football games. And Sunday was a win.
And we can get into here in a second. Whether
it's a false positive or not, makes the organization think
things are fine, But for the moment, they won a

(01:24:46):
football game and they looked good doing it. In all
three phases, and that's been very rare this year. So
I'll take it and I'll run with it.

Speaker 10 (01:24:54):
For the majority of this season they have not played
up to the standard. Yes, on Sunday they did, Yes,
And that's that's worth celebrating. Yeah, that's worth saying and appreciating. Okay,
finally in a game that, even though it doesn't matter,
that is.

Speaker 5 (01:25:06):
What it's supposed to look like.

Speaker 10 (01:25:08):
That is the standard for the offense, that is the
standard for the defense. They did what they were supposed
to do. There is something to take from that, if
you're a coach, if you're a player, whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:25:18):
It might be.

Speaker 10 (01:25:18):
And I think the other thing is we often times
kind of look at players as like numbers on a spreadsheet.

Speaker 5 (01:25:24):
If you've ever watched like quarterback with Joe Burrow, or.

Speaker 10 (01:25:27):
Receiver or hard knocks, any of these behind the scenes stuff,
you realize this isn't just a game to them.

Speaker 5 (01:25:33):
This is their life. This is their work.

Speaker 10 (01:25:36):
And for you know, I know Dave Lapham tells the
story of Paul Brown telling people to find your life's
work when he would cut them. Well, for a lot
of these guys, this is their life's work and they
want to and take pride in that there are guys
that are on this team that aren't gonna be here
next year.

Speaker 5 (01:25:49):
They're gonna be planned for other teams.

Speaker 10 (01:25:51):
What you put on tape matters, whether that's against the
Miami Dolphins or the Baltimore Ravens or the New England Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
And when we're talking about each of those, into the rules,
coaches and players and the X number of man hours
put into game planning practicing. Who wants to go through
all of that and then lose a football game. Nobody
wants to do that. And I always hear the argument, well,
it's best if they lose out and I want them

(01:26:18):
to tank for a better pick. And always ask people
who believe in tanking what they think tanking would look like.
What would it be the coaches getting up in front
of the team saying, guys, I don't want you to
try hard this week? Would it be the coaches telling
all the starters you're sitting in, all the backups? And
then what is the rest of the locker? I mean,
what is the message if that's the messaging you're delivering?

(01:26:38):
So do you not want the players to try hard?
I never understand how people think tanking would look and
it's like a throwaway line they should tank, and nobody
can explain to me what they think that would actually
look like and how it would play out at an
NFL game.

Speaker 10 (01:26:54):
No, I agree with you, But if you want to
know what it looks like, twenty nineteen, Andy Dalton gets
benched on his birthday for Ryan, that's what tanking looks like.
And I think the only time you should ever tank
is when it's in pursuit of a franchise quarterback. Yes
you have one. You don't need to do that. And
the debate becomes culture, culture building. Is it wins or
is it draft picks? I think right now it's wins. Yeah,

(01:27:16):
and the whole look.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
The debate right now, if they're ninth and by winning
the final two games they slipped to thirteenth, yeah, I
don't know. Come talk to me draft night when when
picks nine to ten, eleven to twelve go off the board.
Who maybe they want but to right now I just
can't entertain the and get worked up saying, oh, they
could have been ninth and now they're gonna be thirteenth.
Not right now.

Speaker 10 (01:27:36):
So for about a month now, I've resigned to the
fact couple Bengals are not going to the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (01:27:40):
Oh okay, I.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Thought you were gonna say you were working your draft simulators,
and I was about to tell you. So I've started
looking at the draft. Okay, this is this is what
elite preparation looks like.

Speaker 5 (01:27:51):
You don't get this look. You don't get this from
Rocky boyman.

Speaker 10 (01:27:54):
So I've been looking at the draft and everything that
i've and it's very early. There's not a huge difference
between pick eight and pick seventeen in terms of the
type of player. And they have so many needs, yes,
that it doesn't matter. They can pick best player available,
whether it's a safety or a defensive lineman or a
linebacker or whoever it might be.

Speaker 5 (01:28:14):
I'm gonna go full James for peat on.

Speaker 10 (01:28:16):
You wouldn't be crazy if they took a wide receiver,
by the way, running back, No, I would, right would riot.
But even if you look at it from that lens,
the difference in the type of player that they would
draft in that range is not significant. And so in
my mind, the wins are more important to the culture
than the draft pick right now, especially when it's not

(01:28:38):
a huge difference, and I also.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Don't buy the whole the scared approach of somebody's going
to get hurt. They're football players. How many times did
Joe have to say I'm a football player. I play football.
Jamar Chase is. I hesitate to use the word warrior,
but what Jamar Chase does? What t Higgins? T Higgins

(01:29:01):
got on a plane, flew to Pittsburgh thinking on that flight,
what if they tell me that I can't play football
again this season or shouldn't play football the rest of
my life? Came home and said I was cleared. I'm
going to play football. That's what they do. And I
just I just can't imagine approaching it being scared and
not playing, because then if you're going to do that,

(01:29:23):
then what does it say to everybody? Will you go play?
We're scared of this guy getting hurt, so you go
out there and you risk everything.

Speaker 5 (01:29:29):
It just it never made any sense.

Speaker 10 (01:29:31):
It's like iHeartMedia coming up to you and saying, hey, Lance,
we don't need you Tuesday night. We know you just
did Bengals line yesterday. We don't want you to get
hurt on Tuesday night at the Bengals all the table.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
I would have appreciated, they said, and you did a
show this morning, so don't worry about sight trucks.

Speaker 10 (01:29:46):
There's danger and all that we do in driving to
the airport, in driving to the stadium, it's it's that's football,
that's life.

Speaker 5 (01:29:55):
And I don't think you should go through life scared.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Yes, we agree on that. When we come back, let's
let's talk. Let's talk what Miles Murphy is showing us. Man,
what we need to see from Shamar Stewart, and what
we've seen from somebody like Jyalen Davis. How about that
for a tea? Love that guy, all right? He is
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We complete this at nine and hand things off to
Gary Jeff Walker, who will serve up the Nightcap. All right,
Miles Murphy, in a season of so much angst over
the defense and hand ringing of what the defense didn't do,
Miles Murphy down the stretch has been a bright light
on this defense. And to me, I use light because
there would be moments where he might flash. Once in

(01:31:48):
a game and you say, ooh, to me, it seems
like the light is now on and we see like
full bore Miles Murphy and it's kind of exciting to see.

Speaker 5 (01:31:59):
It's very exciting to see.

Speaker 10 (01:32:01):
I mean, in a season in which you're looking for
anything to grasp onto, hope wise, defensively, it does feel
like the light is turned on and has stayed on,
and that is something that legitimately can be built around
next year.

Speaker 5 (01:32:16):
Now, is he going to turn into Trey Henderson?

Speaker 10 (01:32:18):
I don't know that anybody thinks that, But if you
have an effective player who can set the edge, who
can at least put some pressure on the quarterback, who's
great in the run game, that's where he's been very
good at him is in the run game, especially, who
flies off the ball like that and can be a
true story on that defense of oh yeah, this is
what it's supposed to look like. You develop into this

(01:32:40):
type of player. I think that can be huge for
this team, especially if you know, going into next year,
let's say they don't keep Trey Henderson around and you've
got that extra twenty five million dollars or so to spend,
think about what you can do with that if you
don't have to put a ton of it into the
edge position, if you go with Joseph Osai or Miles
Murphy or someone else.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Yeah, I love the fact that in Miles has been
when he makes plays, he's been very demonstrative in celebrating it.
And I like that because there's a confidence there and
you could see it growing at him. And I've always said,
and whatever we talk to him on Bengals line or
Dave's talked to him in the locker room, he's a
very thoughtful young guy. He's very reflective and very smart guy.

(01:33:23):
And sometimes it's almost as if he's been overthinking it
at times and almost making him mechanical on the field.
It feels like now he's just kind of cut it
loose and using the natural instincts and athleticism and you
see him flying around and making an impact, and that's
that's part of what the profile was when that's why

(01:33:43):
they drafted it.

Speaker 10 (01:33:44):
I feel like we always use the term simplify on defense.
It feels like whatever it is, it's simplified for Miles Murphy. Yes,
and it just allows him to play at one thousand
miles per hour. Coaches always say if you're gonna make
a mistake making it a thousand miles an hour and
miles and times of being timid last year, throughout his career.
I do think, you know, a strange comparison is him
and Amarius Mims. Didn't play a ton early on, it

(01:34:08):
did Miles Murphy. He was kind of subject to these
rotational pieces, didn't get a lot of snaps. And now
you realize, Okay, if you do something every day, you
know what's expected of you. You go up against different
types of offenses, different types of tackles. You gain and
bank all that experience and turn it into being a
good player.

Speaker 5 (01:34:25):
It's like with any job.

Speaker 10 (01:34:26):
You know, if you do it every day, you start
to figure out how to get good at it, how
to take the short cuts, how to take the long way,
all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
I think the guy who is is going to be
an interesting decision is Joseph Osai. Yeah, because I've always
liked Joseph Osai. But there was always that, oh, just
give me more, I need more, and then something would happen.

Speaker 5 (01:34:49):
And now he's dealing with an ankle injury.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
And I mean, if you let's just say for argument's sake,
and I don't think it's an argument it Pencil and
Miles Murphy on one end next year, does Osai merit
a free agent contract and a financial commitment along those lines?
Certainly Shamar Stewart hasn't shown enough to take that out
of the equation. So how do we view Joseph Osai

(01:35:13):
Because he's going somebody is going to pay Joseph Osai right,
a lot of money and he has it's going to
be on future potential, Right, do we believe enough to
invest that and bank that kind.

Speaker 10 (01:35:27):
Of money in him? I certainly would be open to it.
I hope the Bengals are open to it. The guy
I'd want to talk to the most is Jerry Montgomery,
the defensive line coach, who I felt like got Joseph
productive earlier in the season than what we've seen him
in the past, and I think he deserves a lot
of credit for the development of Miles Murphy as well.
I would like to talk to him, and I'm sure
the Bengals will do that. Something that's interesting. He's gonna warrant,

(01:35:49):
according to the projections, fifteen to sixteen million dollars a
year on the open market. His agent is a guy
by the name of David Mullagetta, who we know about
his dealings with the bank with both Jesse Bates and
t Higgins, So that feels like it's kind of stacked
against you.

Speaker 5 (01:36:04):
So you're saying, he signs with the Cowboys.

Speaker 10 (01:36:06):
Then he's probably gonna get more than fifteen million dollars
a YEW a year, is what I'm trying to say.
And it's gonna be a lot of guaranteed money. So
I think right now I would guess it doesn't happen.
And with the idea of them being able to develop
Shamar Stewart and draft another guy, then I think it
becomes a more realistic possibility that Trey Henderson comes.

Speaker 5 (01:36:27):
Back and you allow a sign to leave in free
agency and see it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
It's that scenario that fork in the road they've hit
so many times, where say, Jesse Bates are a DJ reader,
if you've developed enough in your pipeline, if you've drafted,
if you've identified, drafted and developed, and you have a
guy ready in the pipeline, maybe you say, Joseph, we
love you, and it took a little bit for you
to get gone, and now we've got a tough decision.

(01:36:53):
But we've got Shamar and we believe in him, and
we're gonna let you go, Versus we're gonna you just
hate to develop a guy for that long and deal
with his struggles. Then when he starts to make the progress,
then you can't afford or decide not to afford it.
Just that happens a lot with this organization, and too
many times they take the wrong fork of the road.

Speaker 10 (01:37:14):
Yes, you're right, And if you think of some of
these young players that they've extended in recent years, Logan
Wilson is one of those guys, and he was much
more of a sure thing at that point in his
career and you felt really confident about him.

Speaker 5 (01:37:29):
I don't know that Joseph is at that level.

Speaker 10 (01:37:31):
I don't know if he is, And I don't know
if the Bengals are gonna look at it and say, Okay,
we've got all this money sixty seventy maybe up to
eighty million dollars once the new cap number comes in,
and we're gonna spend twenty five of it on either
Trey Henderson or Joseph O'SAI. I don't know that they'd
be willing to do that. I don't know that that
would be the wise thing to do. Now there's another

(01:37:51):
guy on that defense who.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
Talk about flying under the radar and just surviving, and
he's survived in this league since twenty eighteen. Jalen Davis
was undrafted, Yeah, spent the first year in twenty eighteen
with Miami and then I Arizona. I think it went
Miami to Arizona and has been with the Bengals since
twenty twenty and has lived mostly on the or a
lot on the practice squad. Played in his sixty second

(01:38:17):
NFL game on Sunday, recorded his first interception, but has
played so well and seemingly is around the ball enough
that I think it's a fair question to say, could
somebody explain the evaluation of him in the preseason and
in recent years versus somebody like Cam Taylor britt And
why has Jalen Davis been fighting for scraps for so long?

Speaker 10 (01:38:38):
I remember doing a segment during training camp talking about
how Jalen Davis needs to be on this football team,
and I did not understand why he wasn't given the
same chance as some of those other guys early on
in camp. Now, obviously Cam Taylor Britton, those type of guys.
But when you have Mike Hilton walking out the door, yep,
Jalen Davis he's the perfect replacement for that type of guy.

(01:38:59):
And I, okay, this is a dude that Al Golden
can use. He can blitz, he can come off the edge,
he's not been a terrible cover, he's a sure tackler,
all the things that they were looking for. Ye and
he's sat on the practice squad for the majority of
this season.

Speaker 5 (01:39:12):
Does not make sense to me whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
For all the mistackles, for all the communication issues in
recent years in the secondary. Look nobody. I don't think
either one of us are proclaiming Jalen Davis a Pro
Bowl caliber player, but he's damned serviceable. And this team
if it had more serviceable players on these defense this year,
they wouldn't be in the predictament.

Speaker 10 (01:39:29):
The GOODFL teams are filled with guys like Jalen Davis,
the guy who can come in and fill a role
and not hurt you every single time the ball has
thrown his way.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
Yes, final thought to conclude before we hit news on
Shamar Stewart.

Speaker 5 (01:39:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
I don't know that I can draw a conclusion on
Shamar Stewart other than he's gonna have to show him
a hell of a lot more next season.

Speaker 10 (01:39:50):
I think it was interesting Zach Taylor went out of
his way this week or last week to talk about
how attentive and engaging and focus Shamar Stewart appears to
be meetings and trying to get this chance to finish
out the season. He's a guy I think who should
be on the field every single snap he can get,
especially with Osai being out. I think Miles or I
think Samar kind of look around at this season and says,

(01:40:13):
all right, didn't have a training camp contract, stuff all this.
Fans didn't like me. For a while, agent was making
noise my step dads on social media fighting with Bengals fans.
Can I just focus on football? And I hope an
offseason with no distractions and a clear defined role and
plan for him can pay dividends next season?

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
All right, when we come back, let's uh, how about
we spin off from Sunday's.

Speaker 5 (01:40:37):
Win and the whole debate if anybody enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
There is a legitimate concern of the organization viewing a
finish of three straight wins as like validation for the
playing can we talk about the concern over that.

Speaker 5 (01:40:52):
As we continue, Let's get a check on news.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
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This Cincinnati Tax Resolution powered by Tave Sheldon Roundtable Show.
Lance McAlister, Austin Elmore, one of the offshoots of late
season elimination by the Bengals brings the debate and now
for three years in a row, not making the playoffs
of what the final games of the season mean, and
if it's victory, if there are wins, if that skews

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and I think that's the biggest fear of the fan base,
that the front office, Duke Tobin, the Mike Brown and
others will view things as maybe not as bad as
we thought, and with a little bit of luck and
some health, next year will be good to go. That's
simply that we saw how that worked out with that
approach last After last season, it simply can't be. It

(01:42:23):
is as as much a season, I would argue in
the history of the franchise next year, because if you
go four straight years with Joe Burrow, you don't deserve
Joe Burrow. You deserve all bad things that would come
if you would manage four straight And I think all
the Joe conversation over the last couple of weeks, that's
kind of been his point. It's like, listen, we can't

(01:42:44):
just keep doing the same thing here because that's not fun.
Number one and number two, it's clearly not working. You
could make the case last year and I would have
listened to it, and I did, and I bought into
it a little bit about them being unlucky and then
being a little bit unhealthy and marginal improvements will help them.

Speaker 10 (01:43:02):
Well, what I learned is they could get worse. They
did get worse. Somehow, they got worse on defense. And
so you know, if you if you go back to
the Marvin era, when they went to the playoffs five
years in a row, six years in a row, whatever
it was, it was the same thing. Every offseason. They'll
get some middle of the road veteran free agent. They'll
pay him barely any money whatsoever, and he's not gonna

(01:43:23):
be enough to put them over the top.

Speaker 5 (01:43:25):
And so what happened.

Speaker 10 (01:43:26):
They had the same result every year for four or
five six years in a row. They have been better,
but last year wasn't good enough, and they have no
excuse this year. I mentioned it earlier. Already sitting at
seventy million dollars, biggest fallacy is gonna go up.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
And the biggest fallacy in the history of Cincinnati Sports
is signing Joe Jabar and t leaves the Bengals unable
to spend to improve the roster.

Speaker 5 (01:43:50):
It's simply not true.

Speaker 10 (01:43:50):
If you're someone who believes that, you're simply misinformed.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
And I don't know why a ball that now you
got me all worked up SCO. Come on, this drives
me crazy because of all things, for the fan base
to believe, I don't know why they would believe something
that would cut the organization slack.

Speaker 5 (01:44:06):
I don't know why they're believing that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
Because I could see if it was the other way,
But they're believing something that cuts the organization slack, and
I know the fan base doesn't want.

Speaker 5 (01:44:14):
To do that, So why are people believing that.

Speaker 10 (01:44:17):
As much as they screwed up the timing of those
deals and ended up costing themselves more money, they did
make deals and because of the you know, so you
could say because of the lack of moves made and
the lack of development of some of these guys, they've
also set themselves up really nicely. Do have the flexibility
in the years of the prime of Joe and Jamar

(01:44:37):
and t. And you know the other thing too, is
they have almost no dead money. They are one of
the best in the NFL at dead money. That allows flexibility. Now,
that comes to the cost for sure when it comes
to negotiating and guaranteed money and void years and all
this other nonsense. But the Bengals deserve credit because they've
put themselves in a situation to say we have the
flexibility to go out and do it. You know, I

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think of the Kansas City Chiefs. Mahomes is dealing with
an ACL tear. They're forty four million dollars over the
cap right now, and they have a long way to
go before they get back to being competitive, just in
terms of building the roster. And then they're out begging
for money for a stadium, even though they're worth thirty
billion dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:45:15):
But that's a different store.

Speaker 10 (01:45:17):
But I think there's so many similarities lands to the
twenty twenty season. Burrow got hurt, missed a chunk of games,
they won a couple of games late that ultimately didn't
mean that much. But they had the exact same amount
of money just about they spent. They had sixty million
dollars to spend. They spent fifty seven million of it
in free agency. They got Trey Hendrickson, they got Mike Hilton,

(01:45:37):
they got also On Bell Von Bell. They they went
after those guys and supplemented the weak spots of their
roster with veterans who can compete.

Speaker 5 (01:45:46):
They have the formula they can do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
Albert Breer from Monday Morning quarterback wrote about Joe Burrow
today online and his line was, and this is part
of a thing he had done last week in video
for I believe was well. But he wrote, MY feeling
is that Burrow badly wants to be a change agent
for Cincinnati. He's made the most of that opportunity. I
don't think he's ready to give up on that. He

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won't be patient forever. Eventually this could become Matthew Stafford
in Detroit, and Albert wrote, I think the people who
run the Bengals are aware of that. And he talked
with Zach Taylor and Zach said, and this, I guess
I have a bit of an issue with this when
Zach says this was a down year for us, a
disappointing year, but that doesn't mean we're not ready to

(01:46:30):
get right back to it, reload and compete for a
division championship, super Bowl, whatnot. And Albert said it's on
the Bengals to surround him with more talent, particularly on defense.
I don't want them. And Zach uses it as a
throwaway line sometimes and it bugs me that we've done
it before, we can do it again.

Speaker 5 (01:46:47):
Things have changed.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
They got Jamar Chase in that process that helped him win.
In all this, I just there's a giant bug crawling
on me of some sort. What is that? Yeah, I
couldn't tell what that was, but was my point. I
just I don't want them to believe it's easy.

Speaker 5 (01:47:05):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
They're gonna have to work at it, and they're gonna
have to be smart at it, and they're gonna have
to be driven by it to do this. Because I'm sorry,
they owe this to Joe Burrow. Correct, he's twenty nine
years old and this is a third straight year of
it should have been the conversation we're having right now

(01:47:25):
they should have been having after last year's saying he
can't possibly miss the playoffs and the reality is Joe
Burrow getting injured. I know he got injured, but they
went without him. What they went one and eight.

Speaker 5 (01:47:38):
You can't go.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
You can't lose your quarterback and just accept being one
and eight. You gotta have a better football team to
be one and eight just because you let your starting quarterback.

Speaker 10 (01:47:47):
And I think that them trading for Joe Flacco was
an admission of guilt of like, oh yeah, sorry, we
weren't ready, We weren't prepared for this, and that I
think was maybe the first sign that Zach Taylor was
gonna have a little bit more run with than anybody
expected him to have. But there's two things that stand
out to me. Number One, I was listening to Sam
Hubbard with Dan and Lapp last week on the Pep
Rally Show, and he's been friends with Joe Burrow for

(01:48:10):
a long time, going back to Ohio State, and he said,
I want people to know Joe Burrow takes a lot
of pride in playing for the Cincinnati Bengals, and I
think that's where all of this comes from. When you
care about something and you take pride in something and
it's not meeting your standard, that's upsetting to you, especially
if you're the face of that and he is. And

(01:48:30):
the other thing too, is in the second half of
the Baltimore game a couple of weeks ago and they
got shut out twenty four to nothing. Adidi Kinkawala was
doing a sideline report, God Bless her in the zero
degree temperatures, and she was talking about their meeting with
Joe Burrow that week, their production meeting, and he told
them that he feels like his voice is heard. He
feels like he's not afraid to be very honest about

(01:48:54):
his opinions. He told them he has strong opinions about
players on the team and not on the team, and
that the Bengals take that into account. That's the first
time I'd heard that, and that to me is a
very good sign that they do understand the magnitude of
what they're dealing with here, Because you know, we talked
about it a little bit this morning when we recorded
the other show.

Speaker 5 (01:49:14):
There's precedent here. The Carson Palmer thing happened.

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (01:49:17):
Whether we want to admit it or not, or if
you want to blame Carson, go ahead, I think you're wrong,
but it happened, and so there's precedent there, and that
means that people are going to believe it can happen again.

Speaker 5 (01:49:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
I just there's also a weird element here. There's a
segment of fans who and I'm not saying this just
because there was a fan behind the bench in the
Baltimore game who threw the Joe Burrow jersey at him
was calling him name, But there's a segment of fans
who I don't know what it is that bothers them
about Joe Burrow and I can't figure it out, but

(01:49:50):
I'll get him. They say, well, he already got what
he wanted in Jamar Chase and t Higgins. What else
does he want? Well, I would argue he wants a defense,
he wants a halfway decent defense.

Speaker 5 (01:50:00):
I just don't there's an odd thing.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
I think because Joe like did a runway thing last
year with a backless shirt. Sure people don't like Joe Burro.
There's a segment that don't like Joe Burrow.

Speaker 5 (01:50:10):
I'll tell you what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
A band in his hair. They don't like Joe. I'm like,
of all things to worry about, I'll tell you what
it is.

Speaker 10 (01:50:16):
For some reason, you know this better than most fans
in this city. Don't like it when a player makes
a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
And they don't like when that player makes a lot
of money and get gets hurt. Yeah, I give you
Joey Bot. Joey Vada was the first person that came
to mind and Burrow. Unfortunately, the injuries have been part
of the story. You know, and I don't know that
the injuries have necessarily been his fault.

Speaker 5 (01:50:36):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:50:37):
The first time that offensive line couldn't protect him somehow.
That guard that got him killed is still playing, by
the way for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. But like you know,
the calf injury, that could happen to anybody, the appendix,
the wrist freak, what happened this year, turf toe happens
all over the NFL. Not necessarily anyone to blame there,
and not even Joe Burrow other than it's just bad luck.

(01:51:00):
But yeah, that when it comes to like that, when
there's you know, lap them always says your best ability
is availability, and people don't see him playing, and they
see how much money he's making, they feel insulted by that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
Let's head down the stretch. Final thoughts, questions, comments, concerns.
I might have to ask you about your Ohio State Buckeyes.
Are prepared. We'll do all that in our final segment.
There's another one of those things. What is that it's
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it right at you. I'm not women did that serious?

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Like I knocked it on it? That has the power
to climb all the way up to this table from
where it was and now onto the table.

Speaker 5 (01:51:40):
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Speaker 5 (01:53:38):
Again, the suspension the suspension.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
Of dk Metcalp upheld by the NFL arbitrator and he
will miss the final two games of the regular season.
And Kevin stefanskis saying today that Deshaun Watson will not
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who got a lot of play as a potential Bengals
pick the draft, has injured his knee and I think
he's done for the season. He was the sixteen pickout
of Old Miss. They have one redeeming quality and that
is their tight end, Trey McBride one hundred and nine catches,
over one thousand yards and ten touchdowns. It would I

(01:54:47):
like to use the word behoove. It would behoove the
Bengals to cover Trey McBride on Sunday. Big physical player,
very fast, huge catch radius, all the things that a
great tight end has. I will say this, Bengals had
a plan for Darren Waller on Sunday against the Dolphins.
Now Waller is not the player that he used to be,
but you could tell they were trying to do something

(01:55:09):
to take away the tight ends, which I know every
Bengals fan has understandably griped about in recent years. Really,
I don't know the last twenty five years that they
haven't been able to cover tight ends. They had a
decent plan for Darren Waller. Trade McBride's gonna get his
he does to everybody, as you outlined by those numbers.
But they also lost their best cornerback to a knee
and I believe in Achilles injury he's now done for

(01:55:31):
the season as well.

Speaker 3 (01:55:32):
Yep.

Speaker 10 (01:55:32):
So these guys are just kind of playing out the string.
I'm surprised. I read this week that it's believed that
Jonathan Gannon, their head coach, is gonna be safe. Looks
like they're gonna do a changing of the guard at
quarterback with Kyler Murley Murray most likely out. So they're
just trying to figure out what they got, I guess,
and I don't think they have much.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
Think about that. You've played Miami and Tua and they're
gonna move on from Tua and it's gonna cost him
a whole lot of money against the cap. Now they
turn to Arizona and they thought Kyler Murray was the
answer and gave him a Brinx truck and they're gonna
move on from him, And just the value of everything
we've said tonight. At least, and I don't mean the

(01:56:12):
bottom line it this way, but at least they have
a quarter not just a quarterback. They've got a quarterback
with Jamar Chase and with t Higgins.

Speaker 10 (01:56:20):
If you watch any other games across the league, it's
very clear. It's very easy to see how good the
Bengals have it. I mean, there's five or six great
quarterbacks in this league. I would say there's three elite
quarterbacks in the league. Yep, we have one of them.
There is a significant drop off from Tier one to
Tier two, an even bigger one from Tier two to

(01:56:42):
Tier three.

Speaker 2 (01:56:42):
And think how easy it could be this offseason if
you accept it in theory, If I said, right now,
all right, this offense, just carry it into twenty twenty six,
you'd have a little bit of a conversation about Orlando
Brown and in his aging. But if I said, just
take twenty this offense and moving it and just work
on your defense. That's that's a conversation you could have

(01:57:05):
of just work on the defense this offseason. Use your
money as your draft on your defense.

Speaker 5 (01:57:11):
Yeah, Like it really is that simple. You just summed
it up, all right, your Ohio State Buckeyes.

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
Let me I'll do it in like a Sunday morning
tweet form on a scale of one to ten. How
competent are you in your Ohio State buck eyes?

Speaker 5 (01:57:27):
Seven and a half? Ooh, seven and a half?

Speaker 12 (01:57:30):
Right?

Speaker 10 (01:57:31):
And the big reason why I am struggling with that
is because of the front seven of Miami Hurricanes. I
mean they are They've got some dudes up there. Yes,
they got all after the quarterback for Texas A and
m They've got Reuben Bain, who is a guy that
has already been mocked to the Cincinnati Bengals in those
early mock drafts as a great edge rusher. And the

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only time Ohio State has faced a really, really good
defensive front this year was two weeks ago against the
Indian and they got dominated up front the Ohio State
offensive line. Couple that with the idea that Ryan Day
is back to calling the plays with Ryan hartline one
foot out the door to go to USF. There's understandably
some pause there because Ryan Day is not necessarily the

(01:58:15):
best play caller on planet Earth. Really good coach, not
necessarily the best play calling.

Speaker 5 (01:58:20):
If I.

Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
Ask you to take Ohio State out of the equation
and pick one remaining team to play a sizeable amount
of money on to win it all, which team would
that be?

Speaker 5 (01:58:34):
Georgia? I was gonna say, Georgia. I think I'd be
with you.

Speaker 10 (01:58:37):
There was a point earlier this season. I don't remember
exactly when it was, but I was watching Georgia and
I thought, damn it, they're good again, Like they figured
it out. They started kind of slow, and then they
started really heating it up. And I want to say,
Georgia and Ohio State have the highest percentage of the
College Football Playoff players that they actually recruited on.

Speaker 5 (01:58:59):
Their That was a great List's ridiculous.

Speaker 10 (01:59:02):
You know, when you think about what those two teams
have done and the amount of money that they've spent.
Those teams have spent tons of money on their roster,
mainly on retention, get the good players and then keep
them on the roster. But Kirby Smart's a heck of
a coach. I think Gunners Stockton is a good enough
quarterback for the college football playoff.

Speaker 5 (01:59:20):
They're really good.

Speaker 2 (01:59:20):
Yeah. I was struck by that list. How many teams
still in the playoffs? Had so many had sixty percent
plus transfers versus players there? Yeah, all right, our time
is up. This was this was a load of fun
went fast, flu Thank you for spending Uh, you spent
your your morning at the station, you spent your evening here.
Thank you for doing that. Have a merry Christmas to you,

(01:59:43):
and uh, let's do it again one week from tonight.

Speaker 10 (01:59:46):
I look forward to it. Thank you very much, Lance.
Merry Christmas to you and the family.

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We're back here on Tuesday night to do it again.
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Moore files released with the nine o'clock report. I'm Sean
Gallagher breaking now due details emerging in the more than
thirty thousand pages of files regarding Jeffrey Epstein that were
released by the Justice Department while most of us were
sleeping in the middle of the night.

Speaker 8 (02:00:38):
In one email written during Trump's first term, a federal
prosecutor handling the case of Epstein's accomplished Gilenn Maxwell, eluding
his colleagues that flight records reflect that Donald Trump traveled
on Epstein's private jet many more times than previously has
been reported, or that we were aware didn't want any
of this to be a surprise down the road.

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The DOJ did put out a discolor regarding Trump being
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Speaker 14 (02:02:11):
Seeing a mostly clear sky, but some foggy conditions out
there are. Current temperature of fifty three degrees. A woman
found dead this evening after at a senior leaving facility
in Walnut Hills after a shooting. Cincinnati police responded to
the twenty six hundred block of Park Avenue at the
Park Eden Building around six thirty, where the victim was
found dead in the hallway. There's been no information about
a possible suspect, with the shooting believes to have been

(02:02:33):
an isolated incident, but it does mark the second shooting
seen at park Eden Building in the last week, when
person was hospitalized after a shooting last Thursday.

Speaker 5 (02:02:42):
It's not known if these two are connected.

Speaker 14 (02:02:44):
The man accused of striking and killing a Hamilton County
Sheriff's deputy with his vehicle earlier this year has now
been indicted after allegedly assaulting a corrections officer in the
Claremont County jail earlier this month. Rodney Hinton, Junior is
now charged with three counts of fellon the assault in
that incident. Hinton being held in Claremont County without bond
as he's charged with aggravated murder. A two vehicle crash
on Monday night in Middletown, sending eight to the hospital.

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Middletown Police said it was around seven o'clock when they
responded to Verity Parkway in North Carmody Boulevard. Injuries varied
from minor to critical, according to police, with young children
also among those hurt. The specific editions of all light
were not shared in they release today Middletown Police, Ohio
State Higway Patrol, and the Father County Severe Traffic Accident
Reconstruction Team. We're investigating the crash as multiple factors are

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believed to be considered causes. College basketball earlier this afternoon,
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