Bengals Line with Lance McAlister & Dave Lapham -- 12/1/25

Lance and Lap breakdown the Bengals victory of the Baltimore Ravens on Thanksgiving Night. You'll hear from Zac Taylor, Joe Burrow, and others. Geoff Hobson joins in hour 2. Then Lance and Lap look forward to the game Sunday against Buffalo.

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Speaker 2 (00:22):
All right, let's get it going on this Monday night,
three hours about to unfold its Bengals line of the
Bengals Radio Network seven hundred WLW and ESPN fifteen thirty.
Lance Pacallister along with Dave lapham Man, do we have
some things to sort through? And feel good of a
mini by following a victory on Thursday night? Nothing like
waking up Sunday morning and having the realization, Ah, that's right,

(00:44):
they've already won this week. And David, I gotta think
I don't think it's a stretch here when I say
Thursday night we witnessed the best all around performance of
the season by this football team.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
I agree with you, Lance, I think in all three phases,
I thought all three phases contributed, you know, Offense, defense,
special teams. Everybody made plays. Every phase made plays. Every
player that played in those phases made plays on the offense, defense,
and special team. So I agree. I mean, I think
that it was the most complete game that the team

(01:15):
has played this season, one of the more complete games
they've played in the last few years. So I think
Zach Taylor has to be pretty policed with what he saw.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Point how nice was it after? I think it was
the day seventy five, his return on Thursday night, to
have Joe Burrow back, certainly a little bit of rust
earlier that he shook off. But man, when you insert
him into this football team and onto the field, you
just marvel at the impact he has, no question.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I mean, he is the unquestioned leader of the pack.
He's the man, and he plays that way. I mean,
he's one of the best quarterbacks I've ever seen. He
understands everything about that position. His mechanics, his techniques are
simply marvelous. They're they're just high, high level. He has

(02:04):
a great i Q for the game of football. He
understands football, he knows it cold.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
It seems like he was born to play football, he
was blessed to play football. And Uh, the team responds
to him. I mean he That's that's the definition of leader.
You know, what do you what? What do the other
guys do when you're a part of it? And uh,
is there a noticeable decline when you're not? And the
answers yes in both cases. So I mean, Joe, Joe

(02:32):
Burrow is the straw that stirs to drink. There's no
question about that. And there was some rust and dust,
no question about it. But I thought in the second
half he had he had knocked most of that off,
and I thought that he played, you know, really good
solid football. He was playing football more of the way
that we're a custom to seeing Joe Borrow play the
game of football.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Well here from Joe Burrow a little bit later on
will break down more of his performance and things that
jumped out before we're done tonight. Another thing that jumps out, man,
You look and see the time of possession, almost thirty
nine minutes to twenty one minutes, right, eighty plays run
by the Bengals to fifty seven by the Ravens. Holy cow,
that's you're gonna win football games when you do.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
That, you are, I mean, that's basically playing keep away, yes,
you know, I mean, remember we used to play that
as kids, you know, I keep away, if you make
a play, you keep the ball, you know, And so
that that's staggering that played. Discrepancy differential is not common

(03:34):
in the National Football League, and that translated to a
big time of possession differential as well. And I think
the big reason for it was the Bengals ran the
ball so well, you know. And both teams did run
the football, so the clock was definitely moving, but the
Bengals ran it so effectively, and and and Joe Burrow
completed a high percent of his passes, so the clock

(03:55):
wasn't stopping, you know. And you know, you make that
little short intermediate throw, complete the football move the change
clock keeps running. So the Bengals did a good job
of giving less time for the Baltimore Ravens and Lamar
Jackson to respond to answer to things. And then you
start to press. The natural thing to do is start
to press because I'm gonna how many more possessives am

(04:17):
I gonna have? I don't know what I mean, when
are they gonna give us the football back? You know?
And you start to start to worry about those kind
of things for sure. So I thought they did a
good job on Lamar Jackson. He's obviously a you know,
a multi tool quarterback. He's almost like a running back
quarterback in one body, the way he can run the football,

(04:38):
the way his foot speed. He was hindered obviously by
you know, by his injury, his lower body injury. Both
quarterbacks were not one, but I thought both quarterbacks really
led their football teams and operated at a pretty good level.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Boy, you talk about a defense being opportunistic and forcing turnovers,
that old saying turnovers seem to come in bunches. Well
there was a budge turnovers on Thursday, and we're talking, Dave.
They hold the Ravens to fourteen points in their home stadium.
That's tough to do.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
It is it is? And they scored thirty two, and
you know, it's it's amazing. I mean they could have scored.
They had four fumble recoveries, in an interception, five takeaways.
I mean that would normally translate to forty five fifty points.
You know, so thirty two. It's like it's good, but

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it's not. Guys weren't let's put it this way. In
the locker room, guys weren't all fired up about it,
about the performance after the game offensively, because they felt
like they left a lot of meat on the bone
because of that turnover differential. They felt like that should
have been a wider margin of victory.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, let's remember a week ago, we were sitting right
here in the final segment or so, we were talking
about the Ravens and how they had turned around their defense. Yeah,
and the first five weeks of the season they'd given
up one hundred and seventy seven points, more than any
five week period in history. But in the previous six
going into Thursday night, they had not allowed twenty points
in a game, and the Bengals getting for thirty two

(06:05):
and as you alluded to, should have had more. They
did a number on that on a really good Ravens defense.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
They really did. And again I think the big key
was how well they ran the football, and as a
result of wund they controlled the line of scrimmage. I thought,
for the most part that the Bengals controlled the line
of scrimmage more than the Baltimore Ravens did. I mean,
the Ravens did their share of damage, they always do,
but I thought that really that the offensive and defensive
lines I thought played their best game together. At the

(06:34):
same time in the same football game as they have
all season long.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
I'll tell you one thing that I still look back on.
I looked at it again this morning. I said, man,
it is right. The more I look at it, I said,
it's actually correct. Derrick Henry on the opening drive at
a twenty eight yard carry, right, He carried five times
in the first half and ten times for the game,
and they won possession into the third quarter. That was
still a twelve seven game. That was like the Ravens

(07:00):
were behind by three scores and they just didn't run
Derick Henry.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Thank you telling you. I'll guarantee you that Harbaugh is
lamenting that fact right now. I mean that that that
to me when you look at that football game and
the score and all the circumstances, and if you didn't
watch it, you don't really have a total understanding. It
was mind boggling. We were surprised. I remember mentioning to

(07:25):
dan On here, it's like, Derrick Henry's got five carries
right now, John carried the ball five times. I mean,
this guy can punish you. This guy can wear you down.
That's the thing he physically wears on you. And as
in the second half of the football game. Man, your
defense is definitely fatigued, you know, and just by stopping
that big old horse, and they decided not to do

(07:46):
it for whatever reason. And I don't I don't know
if they outdoted themselves. You know, they're trying to be
uh yeah, yeah, let's let's uh, let's let's you know,
show them a wrinkle of two that that they're not expecting.
And man, that that was a huge miss not to
run Derek Henry more than they And.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
It'd be one thing if Lamar was Lamar, you could
entertain the conversation. But when Lamar clearly isn't Lamar, and
Derek carries ten times for sixty yard, I mean that's
six yards of carry. Think of what he did more carries.
It just I mean, if you're a Ravens fans had
to be melting down after the game looking at Dad.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Absolutely, and you look at the Lamar Jackson carried the
ball too much, Yes, because he had to because of pressure.
A lot of his carries they weren't you know, scripted,
they weren't designed. They were like, man, pressure, I got
to climb the pocket. I got to try to make
something out of nothing. Here, or I got to get
out of pocket, get to the perimeter. Then of course

(08:41):
they had the design rollouts and the design nakeds and
things like that, which also led to rushing yards. But
I'll guarantee you that the offensive game plan was not
designed the way it unfolded.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
We'll get into the the AFC North in greater detail
later on in this hour, but a quick thought, the
Bengals clearly turned in the best performance in the division
of this week in football. The Bengals get help from
the Bills yesterday, who dominated the Steelers and Dave. All
of a sudden, you look at the standings and you say,
all right, it won't won't be easy, but it's certainly

(09:14):
not impossible.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
No, I mean, best record is six and six. I mean,
the the tie for first place Baltimore and Pittsburgh they're
both six and six. That is unbelievable. And the Bengals
are what three and one in the division? Yep. So
I mean they could literally, you know, finish five and
one in the division, and that is a very high
tie breaker. I mean that's the one that's the first

(09:37):
thing they look at, Well, how'd you do in your
own division? Five and one? Pretty good. So if they can,
if they can't crawl back to five hundred or better,
go nine to eight. I think nine is the magic number.
They gotta win nine football games to make the playoffs
and then let the tiebreakers do their thing, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Buckle up five weeks to go. We'll take our first
time out and continue much more to get to later on.
Jeff Hoopson's going to join us in our second hour.
We've got so much to sort through from a thirty
two to fourteen win on Thursday Night football and a
look ahead of those Buffalo Bills on Sunday. He is
Dave Lapham, a Lance McAllister. It's Bengals on and the
Bengals Radio Network seven hundred WLW and ESPN fifteen thirty.

(10:17):
Let's keep moving along on this Monday night tem at
Bengals Football. Here's the plan from a programming standpoint. At
the bottom of the hour, we're going to break away.
It'll be Dan and Terry with UC basketball coverage beginning
at six thirty after the news on seven hundred WLW.
We'll continue on on ESPN fifteen thirty until nine o'clock
tonight with all things related to those Cincinnati Bengals winners
thirty two fourteen over the Baltimore Ravens. Dave, you talked

(10:39):
about the run game. I don't want to get to
that in just a second, but it just popped into
my head. And we'll ask Jeff Hobson about this, because
he wrote about it extensively.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
What was it like?

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Give me the scouting report. What was like sitting on
a tarmac in a plane for five and a half
hours waiting to fly to Baltimore because mechanical issues with
the plane.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
It's like.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
You're thinking, there's better things I could be doing with
my life right now. You're just sitting there and and
you have no control of your own destiny. You know,
it's like it's totally it's totally controlled by outside forces,
and uh, man, it is. It's a it's an empty feeling,
it's a sick feeling. Then you know, every half hour

(11:23):
we'll be uh, we'll be the party. You know we're no,
we're not, you know, we're not. Quit playing with us,
put messing with us. And finally Zach Zach took control
and uh got a Delta employee to you know, get
another plane and he got on and said, Okay, we're
the planeing, we're getting off the plane, get your baggage
and uh and let's get on another plane. Get the

(11:44):
hell out of here. Man loose translation, very loose.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yes, and again Jeff Hobson is gonna join us in
the next hour. He wrote about it and and the
herculean effort turned in by Jeff Brickner, the director of operations,
and he got a game ball as a result. And uh,
there are stories of the ballroom and turkey at one am, and.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Oh so much to get to with Whicheff.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Just an amazingly Nightmara scene that actually was handled well
on everybody's and to make it, to make it more
bearable from the Bengals standpoint in view of things, big
thing was the win.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Oh yes, yes, lo that football game after that would
have been oh man, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
You mentioned in the first segment the run game and
being a big key here and I'm I'm looking at
Chase Brown.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
David.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
We talk about him every week because he keeps doing
stuff every week. That's six straight games with at least
one hundred yards from scrimmage. Over those six games, he's
rushed for five hundred and two yards, averaging almost six
yards of carry Dave for the season, He's now tracking
for fourteen hundred total yards from scrimmage. He's clicked, the
line has clicked. The run game looks a whole lot

(12:50):
different than it did early on.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, it does. And he he is he is definitely
a force to be reckoned with. I mean he is.
He's starting to give some around the National Football League
because he can do anything, and he can do everything
on a football field. He can run the ball. He
can run the ball with power. He can run with speed.

(13:11):
You know, he can bust a long one. He can
run away from people. He has you know, sub four
to four speed. So and he's put together. You know,
they's listened at five ten like two fifteen. He's probably
five nine ish and you know, maybe two tennish. But man,
he packs a punch now is a he's a well
put together kid. And he's been in the weight rooms.

(13:33):
His squads, hamstrings, casts are all unbelievably strong. And he
also is a good receiver out of the backfield, runs
good routes, gets separation, knows how to change direction, can
do it quickly with those jackhammer feet that he's got,
and then he also will block people. I mean he'll
get physical in that area and he'll take on a
linebacker or a safety that's blitzing, hit him right in

(13:54):
the chest and stone him, knock him back some you know.
I mean, Chase Brown can do it all and does
all well. Well, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Along the run game and talking about stoning somebody, I
don't want to leave out Samaj p Ryan. I'll throw
that Joe made to Yoshi, which was just he ripped
it right down in the middle of the field twenty
nine yards for a touchdown. It's beautiful, Joe said after
the game he felt back at that point. But Samaj
p Ryan picks up a blitzer and just moves him
out of the way. And it was one of those

(14:23):
in slow motion you're thinking, Joe, duck, he's gonna get
and then Samaj to the rescue, got him.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Right out of the way. Right, You're right on. I mean,
Samaj is a great blend of physicality and athleticism. I
mean he's a big bodied running back man that can,
you know, do things that backs much smaller physical size
wise do. But then he'll also you talk about a
one two punch of blitz pickup, Samaj p Run and

(14:49):
Chase Brown. I'll say that I waterer that in the
National Football League, there's not a better one two punch,
a better duo a blitz pickup guys than those two,
because no, they their goal is to not only pick
the guy up, but to hurt him, you know, to
make them remember that. Hey, this is this is Take
a look at the number. I'm number thirty, Chase Brown.

(15:12):
That's me. I'm the guy that stoned you right there,
hit you right in the mouth and uh and startled you,
stunned you more so.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
And Samaj p Ryan, Hey, I'm number thirty four. Yep,
take a look, I'm the guy. Those two guys take
great pride in that part of the game, for sure.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
But I remember Chase. The first couple of weeks we
talked about Chase Brown being hit behind the line so
often and before he could make his first cut through
his contact, and then it seemed like there were things
that he may have rushed because the the frustration. It's
not that and I'm going to make something happen.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Now it seems he trust that old line is really
gelled and he's trusting it there's just seems like a
flow to the runs.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Now, yeah, I think I think you're right, Plants. I
think the the old line is playing at a much
higher level, uh than they had been. You hear the
players talking about that that they're very comfortable, and that's
the biggest thing. Having played the position in the offensive line,
I mean, you have to be comfortable with how the
center plays, how the tackle plays. If you're a guard,

(16:11):
for example, and you know it almost has to be
you can do it, and you sleep when you pass
off a stunt. You just trust. You know he's gonna
be there. There's no way he's not gonna be there.
So they're starting to play much much better as a group.
It's like I always compare it to making a fist,
you know, the five components wrap four fingers and curl

(16:32):
the thumb around it. That's that's the way they're playing
in the offensive line right now. They're playing like they're
they're making a fist on every single snap and doing
some damage.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
All right, still ahead, more to sort through from this game.
Jeff Hobson's gonna join us in the second hour tonight.
We're gonna hear a little bit later. I will get
into the Bills and hear the opening thoughts of Sean
McDermott yesterday from the bills dominating win over the Pittsburgh Steelers.
All of that and more over the course of three hours,
again with a programming note on seven hundred WLW or
break away, it'll be Dan and Terry with UC Basketball.

(17:02):
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(17:24):
Lance McAllister along with Dave Lapham.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
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Speaker 2 (17:40):
Joe Burrow on day seventy five since his injury, returns
to complete twenty four of forty six two hundred and
sixty one yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions, He was sacked once.
Quarterback rating of eighty three point seven. With all eyes
on Joe and howid look turns in a winning performance,
and he talked about it after that.

Speaker 6 (18:00):
Yeah, I felt great.

Speaker 7 (18:01):
You know, obviously had to knock some rust off there
in the first half, so I expect myself to play better.

Speaker 6 (18:08):
But uh, it was great to be back out there.

Speaker 7 (18:10):
I was, you know, a lot of emotions running through
it at the end of the game, so, uh, it's
just good to be back with the guys. You know,
I thought second half, I started to to put it
more where I wanted and settled in a little bit.
Certainly miss some throws early that I typically make, but
you know, after that, I felt felt pretty comfortable back there.
I thought that the line did great, we ran it well.

(18:32):
Obviously defense played great, so I'm just gonna keep getting better.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
You mentioned jelly off a little bit of rubb or like,
when did you start through.

Speaker 6 (18:42):
The whole first half.

Speaker 7 (18:43):
I was, you know, my feet were a little antsy
back there, missing some throws, But like I said, in
the second half, I felt felt a lot more comfortable.
Started putting them where I wanted to and uh, you know,
getting out and running and makes making a couple of
plays with my feet, getting out of the pocket a

(19:04):
little bit. Certainly don't wanna make a living that way.

Speaker 6 (19:08):
But was able to to pick my spots go.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
I walk going on during the night.

Speaker 8 (19:15):
But you canna have any moments where you felt like
you had.

Speaker 9 (19:18):
A chance to reflect on the journey back to this
moment to.

Speaker 10 (19:22):
Get back and and how hard it's been to be
able to enjoy a night like this.

Speaker 7 (19:26):
Yeah, it was certainly have those moments after the game.
Certainly hasn't been easy on me through through six years
from a lot of different angles. But you know, I've
worked really hard to put myself in position to be
back out there, and a lot of people around me

(19:47):
have done the same. And there's been a lot of
discussions and a lot of time in the training room
and just a lot lot that has gone into this.
And you know, I'm I'm proud to be that is.

Speaker 11 (20:00):
And that over good. Was there any supposed to.

Speaker 12 (20:01):
Get me back into it where you know in the
first step then you fail to get Is there any
throw the pets you going in.

Speaker 7 (20:07):
To pet your home that touchdown to to Yoshi, I
felt pretty good about it. Was, Uh, put it right
where I wanted it. Didn't exactly spend it the way
I wanted it, but that's all right. I put it,
put it in a good spot, and you know, he
was ready for the work.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
That one was.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
That one felt though, is this what you became?

Speaker 9 (20:28):
That more was kind of whining and what's all that
worked in?

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (20:32):
Yeah, there's there's no there's no better feeling than that,
you know, putting in, putting in work for for a
long time and going out and in it paying off.
It's Uh, there's just n just there's there's just no
feeling like going out in front of the world with
a group of guys that work really hard to go

(20:55):
try to win games, and and going out and putting
on a good performance and winning that game.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
You know, obviously we got a lot of games left,
but we're.

Speaker 7 (21:02):
Gonna enjoy this when on this on this little mini
by weekend and everybody's gonna go and have Thanksgiving with
their families and smile and eat and feel good about it.

Speaker 11 (21:11):
House.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah, how playing?

Speaker 6 (21:13):
Shoot, Yeah, it was good.

Speaker 7 (21:15):
I was a little more mobile than I expected to be,
to be honest, So that felt good.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (21:21):
We got a good system on the sideline of you know,
changing shoes out and doing what I need to do
to stay fresh.

Speaker 6 (21:27):
Uh, So we'll continue to do.

Speaker 9 (21:28):
That sort of playing the game where you kind of
play and sends it out and.

Speaker 10 (21:32):
Make over spot.

Speaker 7 (21:33):
He thought, Well, I think the first time I really
left the pocket was in the red zone.

Speaker 6 (21:39):
I threw it to Yoshi. It was incomplete.

Speaker 7 (21:42):
But after that one I felt pretty good, and so
I felt a little more comfortable doing some more of
that stuff.

Speaker 9 (21:47):
It just one deal of job, obviously, one way.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
What given the competition where it was said in the
national decide, does this kind of give you a glimpse of.

Speaker 10 (21:57):
What was the capable world?

Speaker 7 (21:58):
The next quody, we know the guys we have in
the locker room, we know what we have in front
of us. It is certainly not gonna be easy. But
you know, the way our defense has played the last
several weeks I think has been extremely positive. Obviously they
were great, great, great great today. Uh, But that's been building,
that's been building all year. You see them putting in,

(22:19):
putting in the work. You see al talking about a
lot of different things that end up showing up tonight
in in the last couple of games as well, And
so credit to those guys for working so hard the
way that they do and and putting on that performance.

Speaker 12 (22:34):
You would say you and I was kind of s
I guess it's short end of faith in Tanner is
going against the best safety believe.

Speaker 10 (22:40):
I mean, I wouldn't see mean differ great action, but
we're not.

Speaker 7 (22:44):
Like, Yeah, from the moment Tanner got here, all he
did was make plays in practice. And when we first
got here, and was that twenty two I think when
we signed and I was like, who's this guy making
all these catches on scouts, you know, and didn't know
his name, and then he just continuously kept doing it.

(23:07):
And I've been his biggest fan since he got here.
He just you know, it's it's not easy being in
that spot when you're the third or fourth tight end
that you got. You might get a couple of snaps,
uh in certain spots in the game and it's cold outside,

(23:28):
you're on the sideline. You gotta stay warm, and then
you gotta come in and catch a back piel on
throw against Kyle Hamilton.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
That's not easy.

Speaker 6 (23:36):
And he's just always been ready for his number he called,
So credit to him for that.

Speaker 8 (23:41):
Some of the challenges that we faced in the journey.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Is there something that.

Speaker 6 (23:46):
I'm just thankful for the opportunity to play this game.

Speaker 7 (23:49):
We got great guys in there I'm I love playing with,
and we got a great coaching staff.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
I'm thankful for all my loved ones being there for
me during this tough time. They know who they are.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
I'm not going to go.

Speaker 7 (24:01):
Name them, but they know who they are. They've been
there for me a lot through the years. So that
makes me feel good. And then you know, obviously the
training staff that gets creative pushes me.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
I push them. We got a great relationship. Certainly, I've
been in there enough.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
We better.

Speaker 7 (24:20):
But you know, if anything ever happens again, we'll get
right back to it. So we got to keep going
on it. So haven't yelled like that in a wild
Hobbs cloud out there.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Joe Burrow with reflections After Thursday night, we'll offer reflections
on Joe's performance, things that stood out, and continue on
on this Monday night, It's Bengals Line on the Bengals
Radio Network at ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station. We
are rolling right along on Bengals line on this Monday

(24:52):
Night on the Bengals Radio Network in ESPN fifteen to
thirty LANs but Catlester and Dave Blapham picking up the
pieces from Thursday night's win in Baltimore, looking ahead to
those Buffalo bills, anticipating conversation. In our second hour tonight
with Jeff Hobson's senior writer from Bengals dot Com, we
heard from Joe Burrow in the last segment and Dave
I was struck after the game in a in a

(25:12):
really funny scene with Melissa starts on the NBCTV side
and the gathering of the players around and they are
handing out turkey legs and there was a celebration and
Joe was asked by Melissa about coming back, and he
got emotional. He paused and his eyes kind of welled up.
It just seemed like the moment hit him of everything
he'd been through and fought through and got through to

(25:35):
turn into performance that Yeah, there were some rough edges
to it, but he had to feel good about overall.
It was it was any I think we lose sight
of that sometime, the emotional aspect of the time and
effort putting into coming back, and it really hit him
on Thursday night, it did.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
And and people, you know, don't realize the amount of
effort that you have to put into rehab, you know,
and the players, a lot of players get emotion no
going through that rehab process and everything that you have
to do, and how hard you have to push yourself
and you think you maybe hit the limit, but no,

(26:10):
there's more. You got to reach down and and find
another high to go hit. And and uh, I think
I think it did finally all come down upon Joe Burrow,
you know, and uh, hey, he's human, you know, he's
not a robot. The guy's got emotions. And he really
put a lot of work, a lot of effort, a
lot of time, a lot of energy, a lot of

(26:31):
everything into that into that rehab process. And and and
then to go on the road and a division rival
and get a win, you know, to top it off,
he he came back a lot earlier than people thought
he would. You know, that's a tribute to him as well,
how how much he works and how the kind of
shape that he keeps himself in. The guy really is

(26:53):
dedicated to the game of football. And uh, he's all
about football.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Albert Breyer of Monday Morning Quarter wrote a kind of
behind the scenes after an interview he did with Joe.
And I was struck by Joe saying in the interview
how much he researched the injury and how many people
he talked to and figured out the things he had
to avoid. And he said, I started to think critically
about it, and he kept researching, and he kept asking questions,
and he pushed himself. And then the next day, how

(27:21):
do you feel? And he felt fine. He pushed himself
a little bit more. And just there's a lot that
goes into it. It's just not lift some weights, do
some whatever that there's a lot of I just I
was struck by researching critical thinking and that sounds like
Joe Burrow. It's going to be a project to test
a challenge for him that he welcomes.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
I couldn't agree with you more, Lance, I mean, that
is what Joe Burrow is all about. He's all about
the challenge, you know, He's all about the challenge of
winning football games. He's all about the challenge of getting
his body right. He's all about the challenge of getting
in his body right in record time.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
You know.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
If and I don't think anybody's surprised that the research
that he put into it. I need to know exactly
what happened to me? What what what was this injury?
What caused this injury? What could I have done, if anything,
to prevent this injury? What can I do to prevent
this injury from reoccurring in the future. You know, he's
he's an inquisitive guy. He's a very intelligent man. He

(28:19):
wants to know. Uh, you know, he's a learned man.
He reads a lot of different things, a lot of
different books, and h his his uh medical research. I'm
sure it was exhaustive. And Joey Bosse was telling me
that man, he had a million questions. It's like, you know,
how joe is he? You know, he answered one question,
it leads to two others, and he wants to know

(28:40):
the answer to both of those, and then it leads
to three more, and it goes on and on and on.
But I think that's what makes him great, that's what
makes him special. He uh, he's gonna leave no stone unturned,
There's no question about that. And as a result of that,
his rehab was a thing of beauty. It was a
record Center. Yeah, he told Albert Breer.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
The original plan in his mind was to return for
the Buffalo game, but then he started feeling better and
he said, I was feeling pretty dang good.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
And then that the week leading up to the.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Patriots, and Zach alluded to it, he felt some soreness
body wise after practice, which you totally understand it wasn't
related to the foot, But if you haven't practiced in
seventy days and suddenly you're a full go, you're gonna
feel some soreness. And I think everybody understands Zach erring
on the side of hey, I know it's not toe related,
but you're sore. We've come this far, and I've always

(29:31):
I've always remembered in talking with players who go through injuries,
the biggest challenge is it's like running the race and
you get right to the tape of the finish line
and you want to run right through, and sometimes you
have to to pause right there and think, all right,
I'm on a schedule, I've got a plan. I can't
rush it right at the end or I'm gonna have
a setback.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Potential setback is a big deal. Lands there's no doubt
and that's and I'm not saying I don't think Joe
Burrow was necessary that that was at the top of
his mind, but it was in there. It was, you know,
in the back of his mind. Uh and not way back,
not buried in the back of his mind. And enjoy
Bo saying the medical people they all had had considered
that as well. And I can tell you that even

(30:12):
if in the beginning of training camp back in the day,
a lot of it was there was the conditioning part
of it, and there was football involved, but there was
a lot of conditioning as well as france and up
downsitting the ground, all that kind of thing. I'm not
saying that Joe did updowns and all that, but he
did a lot of running and he was going to
test it. And you do you get sore. You know,

(30:33):
you're you're not a robot, you aren't, like I said,
You're a human being, you know, and you are going
to have to work through storness. Some guys it takes
a little bit longer than others to work through stillness,
and Joe, being the world class athlete that he is,
works through it pretty quickly. But there was bottom line,
no need to rush him. I mean The worst thing
that could have happened is to let him go out

(30:54):
there and play too soon and then suffer a setback
and then everybody get all over, you know, everybody, medical people,
the organization, the coaches, the play, the player himself. You
want to avoid that at all costs.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Jaren May of News five. I was watching a feature
he did yesterday on the shoe that Joe is now using,
and he turned to a guy named Jeff Angler, who's
the go to orthopedics for orthopedis for athletes, and they
did a foot mapping thing with as censors and part
of what was built into the shoe, and is this
really fascinating stuff. And it's like an F one race
car form of a shoe. It's like the topeline shoe

(31:29):
that can be mapped out for something like this. But
I laughed because Joe said in the Albert Bear piece
the plan was when he got to the sidelines, he'd
take that shoe off and just wear more of a
normal shoe while the defense was on the field and
let his toe, for lack of a better word, breathe
a little bit. But the Bengals defense was turning the
Ravens over so much Joe was like having to put
the shoe back on and go out to the field,

(31:50):
which is a good thing, but a funny thing of Joe.

Speaker 13 (31:52):
Like, gotta put the other shoe back onto your back,
out of the field, enough time to let that bout,
you know. Yeah, I mean it was again. It was
a classic, classic day for a complete football game. Was
probably the best day that they could have done it
because of Joe Burrow's return. It was his first game,
so why put it all on his shoulders. You don't

(32:14):
want to overburden Joe Burrow and say, oh, yeah, Joe's back, Joe,
go win the game for us.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Joe's back. We're good. Nobody has to do anything. Yep, Joe,
go do it. We know you can. No offense, defense,
special teams. Everybody did their thing. Everybody contributed to the car.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
I also believe, final thought, even though he was seventy
four days away, not all of those away, but not
practicing all the time, I still believe if you put
Joe and Jamar on a field, just the two of them,
and blindfolded both of them and set out Jamar and
said we're going to run this route, I would love
to watch Joe drop and Jamar run his route and
the ball would be right there. It's just I'd love

(32:53):
to see like a scan telepathically of those two where
they are on the field together, because the lines would match,
because it seems like they they're in each other's minds.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yeah, they're on the same page. Yes, no doubt about that.
And you know, you think about it all those throws
at LSU as well, So it is it's like they
could they could run routes and Joe could Jamar could
run routes and Joe could throw passes to Jamarrow in
their sleep. Yes, you know, just dream about it and
put the ball right on the money and Jamar make

(33:23):
a great catch.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
All right, let's head down the stretch, put our first
hour in the books, take a little bit of a
closer look at the AFC North for a we'll run
a two minute drill to close out the air. Then
we'll get the Jeff Hopson in the second hour. Tonight,
it's Bengals Line of the Bengals Radio Network at ESPN
fifteen to thirty, Cincinnati's sports station. Down the stretch we go,

(33:44):
putting our first three big hours in the books tonight
on Bengals Line we're doing it on ESPN fifteen thirty.
We thank you for hanging out with us tonight.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
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Speaker 2 (34:02):
We touched on the division a little bit earlier. But
the Ravens are six and six, the Steelers are six
and six, the Bengals four and eight, the Browns three
and nine, and it's it's no great to earth shattering
news that the Bengals played better than anybody in the
division over the weekend. There's five games left and if
you look at the trends, Steelers didn't look good yesterday.
Ravens with with Lamar certainly banged up, don't look the same.

(34:26):
The Bengals, all of a sudden, are positioned and healthy
with Joe back to They're not in front of the pack,
but they're in position to start chasing and gaining a
lot of ground on the pack.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah, it's almost like Secretariat when it was closed, you know,
all of a sudden, Yeah, I don't know. Take take
that outside lane and just maybe you're running further, but
you're still running faster. You know, it's like unbelievable. So
it would be it would be a great finish. They've
done it before, yep. I mean they've they've climbed back

(34:59):
into a race and then and then finished it strong.
And uh and you know, gotting a wild card in
the in the playoffs and uh, it's it's certainly not
beyond the realm of possibility, particularly the way they're playing.
And again, lams, I think the defense has woken up.
That's that's gonna be a big deal. Well, no defense

(35:20):
wins championships. Defense gets you in the playoffs. Very rarely
do you have a playoff team that's a sieve defensively.
You know, they have to hold up their end of
the bargain. And the Bengals defense has been doing a
hell of a job of that in the last five
or six weeks. Off for sure, by the.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Way they were when they played Renegade in Pittsburgh yesterday,
they were booing the Steelers, booing the Steelers during Renegade
and Aaron Rodgers after the game it was perceived as
throwing his wide receivers under the bus and and TJ.
Watt wasn't happy about the defense and how the Bills
ran the same play over and over again and their
adjustments weren't being made. And it's not a good vibe

(35:58):
in Pittsburgh right now.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
That that's a shame. That's that's I feel so badly
for him. God, But how about the on the on
the network post game showy, they preference Aaron Rodgers cashus
Clay before it's Muhammedally. Yeah, it's like, I'm trying to
think it was a coward. Was somebody say it's like

(36:20):
cashus Clay. I mean, he's he's beaten up, wow, and
he's he's lost his uh, he's lost his fastball, he's
lost his knockout punch. I'm like, wow, man, that's that's like,
oh man, that's like calling him out, big time, big time,
calling him out.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
All right, our first hour officially done. Hang with us,
Thanks for being here to this point. Up next, we'll
talk with Jeff Hobson of Bengals dot Com. We've got
a whole lot to sort through between now and nine
o'clock on Bengals Line, the Bengals Radio Network, and ESPN
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(37:10):
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Speaker 2 (37:12):
All right, let's keep rolling along on this journey that
we call Bengals Line and the Bengals Radio Network in
ESPN fifteen thirty Lance but Cantlester Dave Lapham, what a
treat man.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Oh man, it's been a while.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
I don't know if we I don't know if we've
ever had him on Bengals, and we probably have, it's
been too long because I don't remember. But sitting next
to us now, the senior writer twenty five years Bengals
dot Com, that would be none other than Jeff Hobson.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Man, it is great to see you.

Speaker 12 (37:38):
I'm only halfway to lap It's good to see you,
see guy. I think the last time I went face
to face was probably in the Marvin Lewis.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yes, it's it's good to.

Speaker 12 (37:48):
Let's let's let's do a little Homer Jones when Roger
Lap him would go out in the back yard and
it's right with Lapp and his uh and his brothers,
my brother Bruce, Yeah, Bruce, Bruce and Roger.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
They can play some homage. That was Roger's favorite player
was also my favorite.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Place, right so he could run now Olympia, I mean
he was, he was an Olympic sprinter. Homa Jones talented dude.

Speaker 4 (38:10):
Invented the spike, yeah, which I didn't which I didn't
know till he passed.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah, and he he just kind of like casually, you know,
classically dropped the ball. Isaac did the the old nothing
better than the classic, guys. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Uh, let's go back to Thursday night we were talking earlier.
Would you be fair to say that was the best
all around performance of the season for this team.

Speaker 12 (38:33):
Yeah, there's no question, might be for the last couple
of years. Maybe when you put all three phases in there.
Because McPherson knocked in six, which is which is pretty good,
you know. And uh, what's we've been hearing at all
all year complimentary football. That's what it looks like, boys,
and it's pretty pretty impressive. Uh you know, I mean,

(38:53):
I know Lama may not be Lama, but to go
down there, and you know, John Highball was undefeated on
Thursday night at home, so uh, you know, to get
that one in. I think it's a last time the
Bengals won on the road in the division on a
Thursday night. They haven't played very many, but it was
Jeff Blake unfurled a one fifty eight and three rivers.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Pass right, win, right.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
You wrote about it, it was like Joe Burrow never
left early. Shook off a little bit of rust as expected,
but man, he got rolling and he was Joe.

Speaker 12 (39:28):
I mean you might be thinking, ah, you know, they'll uh,
maybe they'll put him under center hand it off a
little bit, maybe like that first series when he when
he when he did when play action did a little boot,
maybe a couple easy throat.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
No way, man, he was. He was out there and
yeah and uh you know, yeah he was. Yeah, I
mean he was not.

Speaker 12 (39:49):
Uh if you look at the completion percentage, you know,
this guy is the all time leading completion percentage leader,
so he wasn't near that number, but boy, he made
some He made some clutch throws on third down that
looked like he had never left, you know, the first
third down that Jim had the third and ten. You know,
of course, the two touchdown passes, both on third downs,
both against the Blitz and jeez, you know, I mean,

(40:12):
seventy five days, where have they gone?

Speaker 3 (40:15):
The thing about him that I was really impressed with
as well, a lot everything he said, no interceptions, did
not turn the ball over. Yeah, didn't put the ball
in jeopardy, never put the ball in harm's way. I
mean against that defense, I mean Baltimore's defense. You know,
they can be sometimes a little tough to figure out

(40:35):
what are they doing. They disguise coverage is pretty darn well,
you know. And and Joe was never fooled. He never
he never took the hook to the belly.

Speaker 5 (40:42):
You know.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
He basically made his reads and read him out properly
and made great throws. I mean, that's that is the
undoing of teams against the Baltimore Ravens. They turned the
football over. They give the Ravens extra possessions and take
possessions away from themselves. And the Bengals and Joe Burrow
they refuse to do it. I mean, he's had great

(41:04):
success against Baltimore for that reason.

Speaker 12 (41:06):
Yeah, if you know, and we saw, you know, I mean,
if it's December, they still must be in it.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
Yeah, right, And so it's the two out.

Speaker 12 (41:14):
And what we saw in the four to twenty five
game was exactly what you're talking about lap turnovers. I
mean that game was switched on back to back possessions
with the with the scoop and score and the pick right,
and uh, you know, now I can assure you the
Ravens are not going to come in here in another
week and turn it over five times. Absolutely, they hadn't.

(41:35):
The Bengals hadn't done that to him in like eighteen years.
But but you said, if Joe keeps that goose egg there, right,
then you know they can be in anybody if they
keep the goose egg. Anybody can beat anybody if you
have a goose egg there.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
I mean, I think it's the most important stat in
the NFL, turnovers. And if you don't turn the football over,
if you're if you're clean in that department, you have
a hell of a chance of winning a lot of games. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
Well, if you look, I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 12 (41:58):
No, I was just gonna say, uh this, Zach and
Joe have been very successful in December Joe's ten and three,
and you know it, it's directly relatable with to what
you said the turnovers, you know, and it's uh, you
know what is it is because they're in sync. They've
gotten all the kinks out.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Now.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Granted he hasn't played.

Speaker 12 (42:19):
So maybe it's unfair to match him against those other
Decembers because he's been playing.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
But I don't know.

Speaker 12 (42:24):
I mean, it's like he said the other night, he goes, well,
he goes, I had been I did have all a
training camp, yeah, you know, and so I mean, uh,
you know, if if I mean, if he comes close
to what he's done in in this December, you know,
they do have a shot to run the table.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
So many different guys made plays. I always look at
my sheet at the end of the game and I
see a whole bunch of names listed that that that's
usually a good thing because I'm writing down positives and Tanner,
Hudson and Joe's alluded to it. Just the trust he
has in Tanner and what they've developed, and and he
gets rewarded with a spectacular one hand catch.

Speaker 12 (42:56):
You know, your Facebook posts are great. That's close as
I get to social media, which is still which is
still too close. I should be wearing a you know,
I should be wearing a vest. But uh well, you
know you always write your thoughts on a right after,
and it's and it's almost always right around with one
of them, you know, thinking. And so the Hudson thing,

(43:17):
I'm thinking, you know, I'm looking here in this end
zone and it does it seems like two weeks ago
that he went to.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
Hudson for the two pointer. Yeah right, you know, and
then that's how much he trusts him.

Speaker 12 (43:25):
The game was, I mean, he had just threw a
great ball to Jama with two guys hanging on for
the touchdown, but Boomy went to Tanner in that moment.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Now, it didn't work.

Speaker 12 (43:33):
Probably could probably should have had another snap because he
tore his head off, right, but uh, you know, and
that was that was the biggest you can make that argument.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
That was the biggest play of the game. It was
twelve seven and boom he made it. Yes, nineteen seven
thirty nine.

Speaker 12 (43:45):
They're that close to kicking another field goal, right right,
you know, So that was you know, Hudson's this guy,
I'll tell you.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
You look at it, and Joe loves to throw the
tight end I mean he loves that position group and
he's got goot guys that can catch the football, can
run routes and catch the football.

Speaker 6 (44:03):
Man.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
I mean, Kaziki's almost like a big slot receiver, you know,
the way he runs routes and his ability to get
real strong hands, you know, catch it and tuck it
away and keep it out of harm's way. He's not
gonna spit the bit and give the football away. Uh
you know. I mean Tanner Hudson, he's he's legit. I mean,
he runs as good a route and that's what Joe

(44:25):
I remember talking to him in training camp. He said,
this guy runs routes as crisp and cleanly as any
tight end that I've worked with. And the big word
is trust. He trusts Tanner Hudson. He trusts Tanner Hudson's
going to be where he's supposed to be when he's
supposed to be there, and if it's catchable football, he's
going to make the catch.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
You know, it's interesting.

Speaker 12 (44:45):
I was going to see what would he do, how
would he respond intensely because he intentionally made a great
move on I think it was Humphrey. I want I
want to say it was Marlon hump yeh. And there
was a major league move on a Pro Bowl corner
and he stopped. I think that's six, right if Tinsley
keeps going right. But you know what, Joe kept going
to him, which I thought that was a big sign

(45:05):
for the young fella, because you know, Joe, he's not
gonna if you're not you know, if he's not doing
what you expect, goodbye, Yeah, you know what I mean.
And he but he went right back to Ye.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
He didn't want anybody freelance. No, he didn't want anybody
doing something that's not you know, supposed to be done.
But he went right back to you know what. You know,
he went back to which that good.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Anybody who knows Jeff Hobson knows you like to run
the football. And over the last six weeks, Chase Brown
six consecutive one hundred yards plus from scrimmage. In those
six games, he's rushed for five hundred and two almost
seven yards of carry and Jeff, he's now on pace
for over fourteen hundred total yards from scrimmage this season.

Speaker 12 (45:45):
You know, I think maybe lap you and I were
talking about this, the first Bengal to go six in
a Row. You know, AJ Green didn't do that, Corey
Dylan Dune didn't do that, or James Brooks or Jamack Chase.
I mean, wow, yeah, you know, he kind of snuck
that in there. But I think in lap would could
you know, I would certainly yield the floor to.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
H to lap On.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
This is I think the offensive line is.

Speaker 12 (46:09):
I think the rookie gads and now the last couple
of games they've been going with rising because you know,
because Jalen Rivers has been hurt, but fair Child and
I mean, I you know, they've been talking about this
duo play that I think is really I think they've
struck goal of that, which is basically a double team, right,
and and they get to the second level and there

(46:30):
you know that means your Gads and Teddy.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
I think Teddy's having a good year.

Speaker 12 (46:34):
Yeah, I mean people want to you know, they've you know,
they've uh some people want to say, well, Teddy's turning.
I think he's playing as well as probably as he
played last year, right, and he played pretty good. So
I think the interior I think that's been you know,
I think the young guy I think I think the
rookie guards have been good the guy.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
The guy that I in Bengal history, the running back
that I compare Brown to, the Chase Brown to is
Essex Johnson express about the same height Essex, like five
to nine over two hundred pounds, you know, quick change
of direction, guys. Really, I mean Essex could have played
played slot receiver, and I think Chase Brown could too

(47:13):
play slot receiver. You know, the way they run routes
and everything, and great red zone weapons, low red zone weapons.
I think I think there's a there's a correlation there
between those that just two guys.

Speaker 12 (47:24):
You know, it's interesting, you know the last game they
played before you join the organization. If I'm not mistaken,
I think Essex Johnson suffered a devastating knee injinet in
that playoff game against Miami, right, and that led to
the Issac Curtis rule, because I think, I I think,
if I'm not mistaken, I think Essex went down early,
maybe in the first series, and so you know, what

(47:45):
was there to do but to go to Curtis and
Joyna right and Trumpy and they just malls Curtis because
they couldn't hand it off to Essex, right, you know.
But yeah, I mean that's a that's a guy we
probably don't talk about enough.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Yeah, Essex express Man, that that was his nickname, and
that dude, he was a Player's.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Take a time out to continue more to get to
in this hour, Jeff Hobson are a very special guest
hanging out in Bengals on and the Bengals Radio Network
and ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Hey, we're rolling,
no reason to slow down. We are cruising through our
second raton out of Bengals on and the Bengals Radio
Network a THEESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, Lance McAllister,

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Dave Lap him alongside our very special guest Jeff Hobson
of Bengals dot Com. We want don't want to leave
the defense out of this which forces five turnovers, and
talking about guys that show up on a sheet where
you're making notes. Let's start with Miles Murphy, who I
know there was there's been frustration and wait of is
it going to kick in? When is it going to
kick in? Seems like it's kicking in. Miles Murphy is
on a roll.

Speaker 12 (48:46):
You know left you know this every time he talked
to Miles, he always talks about being violent.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
Yeah, about being violent.

Speaker 12 (48:51):
He was violent the other night, I thought, you know,
and it's when you play them, when you play Baltimore,
it's so important to set the h you know, because
Lama will just even if Lami is not Lami.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
They'll still they'll still kill you. Yeah, he'll still kill
you with that run game.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
No doubt. And uh talk to him in the locker
room after the game, and he was uh quick to
credit BJ Hill for his effort. They ran a lot
of twists and stunts on pass rush, and uh, he
came clean a couple of times. BJ did a good
job of grabbing two guys and and Miles Murphy came
clean and you know, made some plays, got some hits

(49:26):
on the quarterback. I like the kid though. The kid's
very smart. He's very recollective. Yeah, very very uh very
I mean he's uh not introverted, that's not the right
word for it, but very introspective. I guess something like that.
He's he's one of those one of those kind of
guys that's a deep thinker kind of guy for you know,

(49:47):
as people say, for a football player, man, you're a
pretty deep thinker, you know, I.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Tell you know, what a guy.

Speaker 12 (49:51):
I've a I've always loved those because I just think
he's all out. He's just a football player, athlete and
and and he's just been hurt by the injury. But
if you know, if you guys remember in twenty twenty two,
he had a great run in the last stretch of
twenty twenty two and everybody wants to remember they hit
on Mahomes. Well, I remember that series. They were third
and five because of josephos right on that because he

(50:12):
made so many he made many big plays in that game.
And unfortunately that last play. I mean, she said, I
don't mind him trying to tackle Patrick Mahomes. I mean
he's running down the sideline with my with my playoff bonus, right,
you know what I mean, Please please please chase them down, right,
you know what I mean. So I don't know, I
still don't understand that hit. But maybe I'm a little
bit too personal.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
But let me agree.

Speaker 12 (50:34):
Let me ask you this lab about the defense, and
I I mean, I thought the last two weeks, I
thought they put Drake May. I thought they did a
good job with pressure on Drake May. And I thought
they really did a good job. Obviously, pressure led to
it like two or three of the turnovers. Yeah, so
you know, so they had been I think they were
they had had the fewest the lowest flits percentage. I

(50:55):
think I think Al's gonna I mean, I thought, yeah, yeah,
I thought they might have let Drake Mayo off the
hook a little bit. I think they could have, uh,
because they blitzed him, well, I thought. And then I
thought they really came up big. I mean, I you know,
I salute Al because I think he's he's you know,
he's been getting a lot of heat.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
But you know, I think Zach said this kind of
alluded to this Friday that you know a lot of
young guys out there. Yeah, and you know it's not
you can't just come out blitz them with these.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Guys, right, you know that was gonna be my question.
Are they blitzing more out of necessity or is it
more because there's a better understanding of what they want?
Or is it a combination of both.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Probably I think it's a combination. Yeah, I mean, I
think I think that you know, Al Golden, Al Goldon
is a smart cat man. He is He's got his
doctorate in defense and and uh, and he has a
he has a way of teaching a methodology, you know,
and uh, particularly with young guys, you know, he doesn't
want to speed the process up too much, you know.

(51:52):
And I think I think we're going to see a
lot more blitzing, a lot more creative looks in the
blitz packages as the season wears on here. Uh that's uh,
that's kind of an m O with l Golden.

Speaker 12 (52:03):
Yeah, because I mean they got the I think they
have the corners that can cover even without camp Taylor Britd.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
I think Dax Hill and.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
DJ Turner's having a hell of a year. Man. DJ
Turner and Dax Hill, both both those guys are as
good open field tacklers as I've seen this year in
the league. They get people on the ground, man, they
really do the job.

Speaker 12 (52:24):
Skinny made an interesting but Richard Skinner we were talking
about DJ Turner and he says he's got to the
point now where if somebody makes a catch on him,
you're looking for yea. And it has been the last
two times like it's been a big play, it's been
offensive as an affair, he's been really good.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah, And we shouldn't leave Jordan battle out, who hustled
back on the play, knocks it away. That's going to
be a touchdown, right, and suddenly it's Bengals football.

Speaker 12 (52:49):
Yeah, I guess, I guess. I guess that will end
all conversation about character and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
I guess. I mean, there's no substitute for hustle, many hustle, energy, enthusiasm,
all those intangibles.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
That's gonna be a lot.

Speaker 12 (53:03):
I'm sure it's on Zach's tape to show the players,
and it should be on every and greater, every greater
Cincinnati High school football coaches tape that Jordan Battle.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah, you use the word energy, and I want to
apply it to Joe, And I was struck by can't
remember if Orlando said it to you or one of
the other writers. How Joe is the engine of this
team and there is clearly a a lifting and an
energy like a plug in a socket into the wall,
like now we go, Joe is here with this team.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Yeah, I mean, it's just that's it's it's always been
that way.

Speaker 12 (53:36):
Was that way when he showed up in COVID and
nobody knew what was going on, but you knew that
that guy was something special, even though everybody was wearing
masks and kind of on eggshells, that guy, and he's
been he's been special ever since. And I thought, uh,
you know, you guys heard him. I thought he was
really that's about as emotional as I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Walking about that absolutely.

Speaker 12 (53:58):
Yeah, I mean that was that was interesting to me,
you know, and that and to me, that's the difference
between maybe Joe Burrow, who turns twenty nine next week,
if that's at all possible, opposed to a Joe Burrow
who was maybe you know, twenty three, twenty four. You live,
you know, things mean more to you, mean more to
you as you get older. And that's I think that

(54:18):
goes for all of us alive.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Yeah, father time keeps ticking on, man, the stand keeps
coming out of the whatever the hell.

Speaker 12 (54:26):
It's just interesting to see how much we've seen him, Yeah,
seen him, you know, even though I mean he keeps things,
you know, talk about a guy, he keeps things close
to them, no doubt. And who's an but who's an
introspective guy. Yeah, you know, but you know he's letting us,
he's let us watch them grow.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
Yep, no question, you wrote about it.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
I want to ask you about it and I want
to give him some love because we're going to hear
him get a game ball later on in the the
third hour. Tell listeners they may have heard the name
Jeff Brickner. Tell listeners who he is and the role
he played in Salvaging Wednesday Night.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
Jeff Brickner does it all.

Speaker 12 (55:00):
He's like, he's like an astronaut on a spacewalk, but
twenty four but twenty four to seven. He does everything
you can ask. I mean from you know, fixing my
desk draw, getting somebody, getting somebody to fish my dest draw,
to get these guys to Baltimore time and everything in between.
And a Jeff Brickner trip usually right to the itinerary,

(55:22):
right to the minute. You know, well, this was not
this was not this was uh we've all been he
could right, no, no, and and and and the thing
was what he had waiting back when he had waiting
in Baltimore was a Thanksgiving feast that would make Miles
Standish crush, right. I mean it was amazing and he
couldn't get there, and he couldn't but he get everybody.

(55:42):
But he get everybody there, you know, uh, complete complete
with a Zach Taylor boarding announcement.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Yeah and uh.

Speaker 12 (55:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll be boarding there. But Hobson co
goes in last. But I think what happened was the
uh you know, we everybody get to the hotel, and
it was, uh it was it was as good brick
could make it, as good as a good bea.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
So I think the game ball is a salute to
you know, his body of work.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
And that you know, uh body works a good way
to put it because he will not Initially he was
an assistant trainer. He was taking ankles. Yes, I mean
the guy was basically uh Marv Pollin's guy that was
was as lackey.

Speaker 6 (56:25):
You know.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
It's like he's like, I'm gonna give you all the
crap jobs to do, and you're gonna do him. You're
gonna do a smile on your face. He's he's done everything.
I mean, he's he's drained the hot tubs, he's you
name it, he's he's done it all. And uh, nobody
knows more about the inner workings of the organization than
Jeff Brickner because he's he's been in meetings with Mike

(56:45):
and uh the Blackburn and Brown family that nobody has
been in and and things have been talked about that
nobody else is part of other than you know, Brick's
the only one outside of the immediate family, the blood
related family that's part of that.

Speaker 12 (56:59):
I mean, he and Micah and Mike close. I mean
they're you know, they talk, you know, I mean, Jeff's
his guy, he Mike uh, Jeff Britton to make sure
Mike's gets on the bus safely every single week. That
he looks at that as one of his prime responsibilities,
to make sure that Mike Brown is okay and traveling
safely to and from uh the the airport in the stadium, Bengals.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
So explain to me what what happened. I can't imagine.
It's mechanical issues and it's five and a half hours
sitting on the plane. I would have lost my mind.
How do you sit on a plane five and a
half hours?

Speaker 4 (57:35):
I mean I'm terrible. Yeah, I mean I worked, so
I was I had an out.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
In fact, Browning, Jake Browning came down. Jake Browne was
making it. He was almost like the host.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
It was like the mayor, the mayor of the flight.

Speaker 12 (57:47):
He's coming in checking on uh. Yeah, kind of watched
me typing and scowled, but uh, you know it was Yeah.
I mean, I don't know what guys did. I guess
that would have been a good opportunity for me to
but I figured guys, I just figured guys weren't probably
in a good root.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
So yeah, I know, I know a lot of that.
I went back to take a leak at one point,
and everybody was watching their movies, you know. Yeah, I
mean there those those movies on those flights are pretty impressive.

Speaker 12 (58:15):
It's not like getting marooned in nineteen seventy three. People
had things to do, right, and I, uh, you know,
they don't want to see me anyway, So I would
imagine in a close quarters for five hours, I just.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
I kept a little profile.

Speaker 12 (58:30):
But everybody, like, you know, Zach made a good point,
it was a good time to probably it was a
good bonding thing, good bonding. Yeah, And he made an
interesting point like like I said, Brick had that miles
Standish feast and uh it was tremendous, and but everybody
instead of putting it in a box and going up

(58:50):
going upstairs to their rooms, they all stay right, Yeah,
more bonding.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
Yeah, which was which was?

Speaker 3 (58:55):
I think?

Speaker 6 (58:55):
You know?

Speaker 4 (58:55):
I think, uh a lot of guys would have you know.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
I think possibly as if it turns out that way,
if the Bengals do make the playoffs, they're going to
point back to this and say this was the turning
point and could have fallen apart, could have had, you know,
major problems, major issues. But guys, you know, showed some maturity,
showed some growth, and and won that football game in

(59:19):
spite of all the obstacles, went out and played a
hell of a game, maybe their best game of the year,
and from that point on they were hell on wheels,
tough to deal with. All Right, we need to take
a time out.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
What would I would I be able to convince you
to stay for one more segment to talk about the
Hall of Fame? Sure, we've we've overextended you to this
point based on our promises to you. Would you give
us one more segment? I'd love to talk about the
Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
We'll let me let me unleash mys.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Yes, okay, well that'll be good. That is that's a
good word.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Bengals Out of the Bengals Radio Network and ESPN fifteen
thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, Welcome back Bengals Line on this
Monday night on the Bengals Radio Network at ESPN fifteen
thirty Lights by cantlister Dave Lapplem. We'll call this a
bonus segment, yes with Jeff Hobson of Bengals dot Com
because we must probe your mind on the Pro Football
Hall of Fame and for those who don't know, what

(01:00:17):
is your involvement or role or how how do you
factor into the Hall of Fame in the voting prices.

Speaker 12 (01:00:23):
I'm a I'm the Cincinnati voter, so and I have
been for ten years and so I'm a member of
that fifty member committee that cuts the you know that
that votes on all the major categories. I'm also this year.
I was also my first year, I was on the

(01:00:43):
Senior Committee, which their start. They rotate that now, right,
So it's been an honor to do that. And it's
a great thrill to you know, be a factor and
you know, seeing who goes who goes in, and who doesn't,
and it's uh take it with uh, you know, the

(01:01:05):
most important you know, besides working for the Bengals every day.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
It's the most important thing I've done in my career.

Speaker 12 (01:01:11):
And uh, you know, it's a it's interesting because serving
on you know, you serve with you know, you serve
with different people on the committee, and every everybody's does
great research, you know, and you learn so much when
you go in these things. And I think the Keith
thing is having the open mind, and uh, you know,
I think, uh, you know, it's uh obviously I think

(01:01:36):
all you know, probably all Hall of Fames get criticized
if you're guys not in, you know. I mean, I know,
as a Red Sox fan, when's Louis Tiant going to
get in, right, you know? So but I'm it's I'm
blessed to be able to do it. And I think,
I think, what's happened I think, you know, I think
in the last decade, I think with the help of
Jim Foster, guys like yourself, guys like lap I think

(01:02:01):
I've probably helped a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
But to give, you know, to.

Speaker 12 (01:02:05):
Show to the country that we, you know, profile raised.
I think the profile of the great Bengals players I
think has been raised.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
And I think that's a good thing, whether they get
in or not.

Speaker 12 (01:02:15):
I mean, I think, uh, I think what I think
what Elizabeth Blackburn has done here with the Ring of
Honor has helped has helped raise that profile us and uh,
you know used you know, I think it's you know,
guys like Ken Anderson and Willie Anderson when they're up
for the Hall Bengals Ring of Honor. You know that
means something, you know, right, yes, Isaac, I mean all

(01:02:37):
those guys who have Hall of Fame cases, uh you know,
and well and they all have Hall of Fame races.
I mean we're talking you know, a guy like Max Montoya, sure,
you know, and it's uh, it's it's amazing. The great
Ron Borges told me, who has served on many senior committees,
Globe and I never really the Boston, Boston Globe, Boston

(01:02:57):
hero and I and I never really realized any and
he covered the Raiders too out out in Oakland.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Covered in high school. Yeah, he came to my house
in high school, did an interview. Wow. I was like, yeah,
look at my mother.

Speaker 5 (01:03:10):
You know who that is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
You know who that is.

Speaker 12 (01:03:12):
That's what I tell him now. When I talked to
him on the phone, I said, you know what I says, unbelievable.
I'm talking to Ron Bosch.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
You know, you'd say, you know, pretty high boiled guy.
Stop it, Hobby.

Speaker 12 (01:03:24):
But you know it's it's I think it's uh, you know,
I don't know it's uh. Ron Boys just would say
in that senior committee, they're a Hall of Famer. When
you're making the moves of cutting guys, hall of Famers
are just falling on the floor, and everybody's worthy, everybody's
worthy exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
That senior committee includes the the the nine r Kenny
Anderson is one of the nine, and the expectation is,
at least, reading the Hall of Fame website, the announcement
could come, should come this week and we'll find out
if Kenny advances to the next day. Is a final list,
I believe terminology.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
The final five three.

Speaker 12 (01:04:05):
Goes nine to three committee on the and they will
join those three will join seventeen others on the finals ballot.
There'll be three SoRs, one coach nominee, and one contributor,
and then there'll be fifteen modern era finals.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Including potentially Williams.

Speaker 12 (01:04:26):
Not potentially he is he will he is a finalist
automatically because he finished in the UH top seven last year,
which is a new which is a new voting procedure.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
To figure craft and Belichick will be the odds on
guys and then.

Speaker 12 (01:04:44):
Who knows, you know, who knows? I think it's just
it's you know, uh, like I said, three H three,
I believe it's three out of the uh three from
the UH from the coaching tributors, coaching contributors and seniors.
Three can come out of there. So it's uh, you know,

(01:05:06):
it's it's they made it tough for the last couple
of years to get in. I think I think that's
what the Hall wanted to do. And that's who really
is is it's uh, the Hall of Fame and and.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
The Board of Trustees. You know, we're really uh, you know,
we we serve at their pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Now I've heard this in the past, and I don't
know where this is in the process or if you're
still involved with it, but for each candidate, does someone
act as a presenter in the room for their case?

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Does that happen?

Speaker 12 (01:05:35):
There's a yeah, there's a presenter that still happens, and
and and it's a five minute presentation. And there's debate,
and there's and there's debate, and I, like I say,
I think it's a all these guys take it so seriously.
The men and women on the committees that I've been
on and it's a it's it's a very deliberative process

(01:05:55):
and debates are amazing, and it's uh, you know, it's
uh as many ways to skin a cap. But I
think that's about as good as it I think that's
about as good as it gets.

Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
I think.

Speaker 12 (01:06:09):
So, I mean, it's all these guys should be in,
you know what I mean, it's and but that's why
it's a Hall of Fame, right, and you know, my
my thing is is and Paul Daners says, this will
probably be on my tombstone, which is is in the
Hall of Fame. We have too many uh uh, very
good players on great teams in there and not enough

(01:06:33):
great players Hall of Fame players on bad teams or
or it's not even bad teams that didn't win a
Super Bowl, right, And I understand it because these guys
are and I understand because I talked to a lot
of guys. We'll say, well, you know this guy was
he was on teams at one but like my agument

(01:06:53):
for Kenny is he was the reason they were there,
you know, a major the major reason they.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
Were there, no doubt.

Speaker 12 (01:07:00):
So I mean, but obviously guys like guyas that and
you know, I mean guys like I just Isaac and
Lamiro and Kenny Riley obviously were his teammates, but Kenny
was a quarterback sure, so uh, you know, but that's
my thing is that's another reason I'm glad to see
the profile raise, not only of the Bengals, but for
you know, teams that are in small markets don't maybe

(01:07:21):
don't have a string of Super Bowl champions. You know,
their players are just as good as you know, I mean, uh,
what's been out there. And I think Kenny Riley and
the you know, I mean, you know, statistically, Kenny Riley
should have been in five years after he retired.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
I just wish, like a lot of people do, I
just wish we had won a super Bowl for him
if he if he if Kenny Anderson had a super
Bowl on that resume, I think that would be the
cherry on top.

Speaker 6 (01:07:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
I think I think he'd be you know, and maybe
I'm over simplifying it, but I think I think a
super Bowl champion. You know, Dan Foulson never won, and
he got in. I mean, there's exceptions rerule, but you know,
he he was. He broke every record in every passing
category there is known demand with the Air Corriel. I
mean it was different, a different deal. But I'm telling you, man,

(01:08:11):
Kenny Anderson, as good as there ever was is accurate.
I mean that was the thing with him. His accuracy
was stupid good.

Speaker 6 (01:08:20):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
I remember him in the off season.

Speaker 14 (01:08:22):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
He would say, all right, get thirty yards away from me.
We're gonna play a little catch.

Speaker 15 (01:08:27):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
All right now, now that I warm my arm up
a little bit, I'm loose right naval, right shoulder, left knee.
It's like, what the hell unbelievable how he could control
a football and how accurate he was doing a football.

Speaker 12 (01:08:41):
The only guy to win uh to uh, the only
guy to win two playoff games on two different planets
uh obviously Earth and then the AFC title game the Freezable.
I don't know what planet that day. I guess it's hot,
right would that be? But uh, I know I know
one thing. It was damn cold Rome Death.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
You have been tremendous with your time. We have greatly
overextended you, but the content you provided was tremendous, So
thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
Hope to do it again. Thank you very much for
having me on. Let's not make it another down let's
not make it another decade until we go face today. Hey,
the Red Sox are the Red Sox rent opening opening day.

Speaker 12 (01:09:21):
Oh yeah, that's right. You know they're huge. Big thank you, sir,
Thank you, Thank you. Bengals Ring of Imember Dave Lapham, Yes,
a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Take a time out of continue. It's Bengals N, Bengals
Radio Network and ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station heading
down the stretch on our second hour of Bengals Line
and the Bengals Radio Network and ESPN fifteen thirty lines.
But calestter Dave Lapham very much enjoyed Jeff Hopson hanging
out with us. You know, Jeff mentioned and you alluded
to it after all the travel adventures on on Wednesday,

(01:09:54):
the Thanksgiving meal in the ballroom, and the players could
have taken their meals gone to their rooms, but they
hung out together. And I heard you and Wayne box
Miller on Friday talking about how Box looked in the
lunch cafeteria the other day and there was a group
of players from different position groups hanging out together, and
just the value of the cohesiveness of this team and

(01:10:15):
how it's probably helped them navigate a lot of adversity
this season.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Yeah, I think you're right, no question about it. You know,
it's uh, pro sports or sports in general. It's it's
conducive to that sort of thing. It's conducive to that
kind of bonding and those kind of friendships, a family
atmosphere that you know will never go away, those bonds
will never be broken. Uh and uh ten fifteen, twenty

(01:10:40):
years when you're after finished planning, you remember that. Remember
that Thanksgiving?

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
We were like five hours?

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Yeah, what are we gonna do? Five hours? It's like
we sat around, we talked about everything and anything and nothing,
you know, nothing at all. And uh, and you know,
I really got to know. I'm so so it was
a pretty good guy man, you know, and wanted to
ended up wanting to spend more time with that guy.
And you know, he's got a wife and he's got kids,
and I've got wife and kids, and we all ended

(01:11:11):
up doing some things together, and our kids learned about
Cincinnati together. They went to the Cincinnati zo they went
to the aquarium, They went to all these different places together,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
And I think you referred to it on Friday as
the cross pollination of your time.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Yeah, Yeah, it really and that that's exactly the word
that Paul Brown used when I mean back, Like in
nineteen seventy four rookie year, it was like, we are
we are gonna be a family, We are going to
be a close football team. We are gonna have the
other gentleman's back, the guy that you're playing next to,

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You're gonna have his back, He's going to have your back.
And it was it was. It was a close knit group,
There's no doubt. And Paul Brown knew what he was doing.
He knew what he was talking about. Even Otto Graham
and the great, the great players with the Cleveland Browns.
He said, those guys were family and they were at
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in some cases funerals, And you know, it's it's a
cycle of life, is what it is, no question.

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Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Zach Taylor with the media earlier today. Let's get the
thoughts from the coach upon reflecting on Thursday night, the
mini bye and now looking ahead to the Buffalo Bills.
Here's Bengals head coach Zach Taylor.

Speaker 11 (01:14:12):
He was good, He's doing great.

Speaker 16 (01:14:16):
He's so in protocol so him and Tage will keep
working through that ply in the week, so we'll see
where it is.

Speaker 9 (01:14:21):
Up Trey in the next This week.

Speaker 8 (01:14:25):
This week, Samar's yeah, always on my ring that I
was like, I'm mathlong here.

Speaker 11 (01:14:39):
His final game.

Speaker 9 (01:14:40):
I think he's part of this. How's he been progressing?

Speaker 11 (01:14:42):
We'll see what end up next week?

Speaker 17 (01:14:45):
Is this?

Speaker 9 (01:14:45):
I think this will be traced fourth game.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
Is there any.

Speaker 11 (01:14:47):
Consideration to put him on I r no, We'll just
keep taking a week to week.

Speaker 9 (01:14:52):
He's still doing all the normal meetings everything behind the scenes.

Speaker 11 (01:14:56):
That mostly rehab, so with the trainers.

Speaker 9 (01:15:02):
You had just been getting him back at all of
this season.

Speaker 11 (01:15:04):
Yeah, we'll just keep taking a week to week.

Speaker 9 (01:15:10):
What was the South scout like over the by? What
was the what did over the weekend?

Speaker 18 (01:15:14):
I guess what did you guys want to accomplish as
y'all get ready for the next game.

Speaker 16 (01:15:17):
Just get ahead for Buffalo really, I mean, got a
chance for review our game. Just make sure we got
them obviously in two weeks, so you want to make
sure you put that to bed the right way because
it's a quick turnaround for them, and then just you know,
steal an extra time for Buffaloe, which I thought we did.
It's good you got a chance to watching football yesterday
while you're working.

Speaker 11 (01:15:34):
And it's good.

Speaker 9 (01:15:35):
How did Joe come through the weekend.

Speaker 16 (01:15:39):
Seemingly fine? I'm sure there's some soreness there that you know.
I'm sure you guys can ask him, but to my iPhone.

Speaker 11 (01:15:46):
One day.

Speaker 18 (01:15:49):
At the start of the season, Dalton Riisner was playing
to the point where you ended up going with Jalen Rivers.

Speaker 9 (01:15:53):
But it felt like Sinstallton's come back. He's you know,
played even better than he has earlier in the year.
What have you seen from him the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 16 (01:16:00):
You know, when we got him, he hadn't done anything,
you know, for six months, so I think that was
a little bit to be expected. But I've liked how
he's played, the energy's played with. I think we've got
a good mix of guys in there, you know, even
guys that are you know, been injured and have been backups,
and so I feel really good about our starters or
depth and and just where we're at at this point
the season out on.

Speaker 9 (01:16:17):
Line, What have you seen from Fairchild twelve games through?

Speaker 16 (01:16:20):
Yeah, just continues to progress and get better and sees
new looks and does a good job taking the coaching
from Scott and Mike and Ted and Orlando and those
around him, and just continues to progress.

Speaker 11 (01:16:30):
And so that's been really pleasant to see.

Speaker 19 (01:16:33):
There's an old adage when you get around this time
of the year where people say rookies aren't rookies anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:16:37):
Win in your mind as a guy no longer a.

Speaker 16 (01:16:39):
Rook Yeah, I think, you know, at the midpoint of
the year, you really want them to progress through that
There's still going to be things that they're learning. It's
a it's a fun thing to say, but you know,
you can't replicate experience, and so they got to continue
to get that experience. And especially for a lot of guys,
maybe that didn't start right away once the season went,
you know, and their playing time has increased as has gone.

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So I think everybody's a little differently. Depends on the
position you're playing, depends on the experience you're gaining. But
I really like how all of our rookies are progressing.
I think that they're all doing a nice job of
learning and not making repeat mistakes and have an ownership
their position and adding value to our team.

Speaker 20 (01:17:14):
Specifically in xact with Barrett Carter, what have you liked
about the way he's embrace that moles everything that comes.

Speaker 16 (01:17:20):
With Yeah, his command with the position, you know, it's
a vocal position to have the green dot and be
able to communicate like he has and just continue to progress,
you know, I mean I can't think of how many
games he started now, you know, six maybe six games,
and so just continue and learn, and that's where he's going.

Speaker 9 (01:17:40):
Of course, just going back to Joe's touchdown pass.

Speaker 11 (01:17:44):
And yeah, just thoughts on that and also just as kind.

Speaker 9 (01:17:49):
Of astical those two guys seem to have you know,
since the minute.

Speaker 16 (01:17:55):
You know, yeah, I think it was, you know, that
was That's a play we we've had him for for
a while now, and Joe really did a good job
buying some time outside the pocket. Because it's a longer
developing play. It can it can unfold two ways. You
can either win right out of the break because they've
had poor eyes in the backfield.

Speaker 11 (01:18:17):
Hamilton did not have poor eyes.

Speaker 16 (01:18:18):
You know, he did a good job stating and face
and Joe really put it the only spot that Tanner
could have caught that ball, and Tanner could have only
caught that ball one handed base on where Hamilton was at,
and it was really good coverage and just outstanding throw,
outstanding catch, huge for a momentum at that point.

Speaker 11 (01:18:34):
So it was a really big point in that game.

Speaker 16 (01:18:36):
Was there's no question, Yeah, I mean it's it's he's
not standing player, you know, he's I wouldn't even call
him the safety really, he's he plays linebacker and d
N and covers people and whatever you want to That's
a true Swiss arm knife to me. Uh So, again,
it was a great play versus a great player and

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something we really needed at that point.

Speaker 14 (01:19:00):
As of me defensively in recent weeks, how much of
it do you think kind of just stems directly back
to just seeing more pressure from some of your young
defensive linemen at this point.

Speaker 9 (01:19:09):
Is that kind of the biggest difference that you think
you've seen.

Speaker 16 (01:19:12):
I think it helps everybody's just starting to really settle
into their position as they get more playing time and
more confidence in the scheme and playing next to guys,
and you just see all eleven guys all at once
really just step into it and have great ownership and
what we're asking to do, and confidence to go in
there and make plays, confidence to go win some one
on ones up front and apply pressure. And once you

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start doing that a couple of times, sorry, I'm going
to continue to do this, and and then the takeaways
start coming too. So again it's it's fun to watch
those guys have fun, play with confidence.

Speaker 11 (01:19:44):
That's exciting for me.

Speaker 14 (01:19:44):
To see a guy like Miles chasing down Derek Henry
forty yards down the field.

Speaker 16 (01:19:49):
Tell you about where he's at his passion for the game.
I mean, he's made of the right stuff, and he's
continued to work every day. He's been in here all season,
and you know, it's it's I'm really excited for Miles
to see all that hard work start to pay off
and the consistency come and it's been a really good
He's and easy got to pull for, and so it's
it's exciting to see him make some plays like that. Ever,
plays too are huge. You know, that's even though it's

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way down the field. It's our team sees that in
the film. They see all that stuff, guys really putting
all out there, and he did that. Jordan Battle had
the one on the goal line. So those are those
are critical plays for our guess that's.

Speaker 9 (01:20:23):
You guys feature. I mean we get into them me
to do, get into meetings and feature.

Speaker 11 (01:20:27):
It depends on the week.

Speaker 16 (01:20:27):
Yeah, it depends on the week, depends on the tone
of the meeting. Plenty of times we highlight stuff like
that with how k out of the AFC North is
this year.

Speaker 19 (01:20:37):
How do you make sure the guys are just doing
it on a week two week basis, not looking outside.

Speaker 11 (01:20:42):
Although I really feel like I've had to worry about that.

Speaker 16 (01:20:44):
You know, we we have our messaging each week that
we follow and I've never felt the need to make
sure that we're just focused on the week. I think
those guys have done a really good job of doing that,
and you know that's that's the most critical point. It's
just got to play Buffalo, need to win the game
and worry about the rest after that.

Speaker 18 (01:21:00):
Giving as a result on Thursday and then kind of
how things have played out in the North, especially over
the weekend.

Speaker 9 (01:21:03):
Does it still feel like everything's in front of you
as you go into this one.

Speaker 16 (01:21:06):
Yeah, it's exciting to know there's still opportunity there, but again,
you just have to take a week to week. Us
being Baltimore has nothing to do with how we're going
to play against Buffalo. So our guys understand that still
a day here with the bonus day and got to
have a great week and it's gonna be tough environment
to go on the road there.

Speaker 11 (01:21:21):
It's always a tough place to play.

Speaker 16 (01:21:23):
It's gonna be loud, it's gonna be cold, probably gonna
be windy, and so our guys as gotta be ready
to embrace all that.

Speaker 20 (01:21:28):
How much do you subscribe to the theory that, especially
come decembery to be able to at some point be
able to run the ball with authority in the climent weather.

Speaker 11 (01:21:40):
We're throwing the ball out in December two. It's been
successful for us.

Speaker 16 (01:21:42):
So we're just gonna keep playing our style and and
sometimes we played plenty of games where we've leaned on
the run, plenty of games where we've leaned in the
past game. So again it's it's what's your style play,
what's your identity as a team, how's the game going.
There's a lot of things that factor into how the
game is going to play out. But you're not gonna
pin me down and say we're gonna run the ball
sixty times in a game just because it's simmer outside.

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We're going to run the ball and you have to
do well, yeah, that's a unique circumstance. We're gonna do
whatever it takes to win the game, you know. And
I feel like we've always done that, and there's been
games certainly I can think of in December where we've
gone in there and how to do a great job
establishing the run and defenses played great, so you can
stick with it throughout the game, and you know, we'll
see the type of game this turns out to be.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Play you guys with authority.

Speaker 11 (01:22:35):
I guess what I'm kind of thinking about.

Speaker 16 (01:22:37):
Yeah, you know that that game it allowed us, just
the way that the game played out, we were allowed
to stick with that kind of stuff and our defense
that played really well that day, and you know, so
again we just will do whatever it takes to win.

Speaker 9 (01:22:49):
What what did you ask Joe this?

Speaker 10 (01:22:52):
So I'd be a better question for him.

Speaker 9 (01:22:53):
But with the weather, when you're talking about the.

Speaker 21 (01:22:57):
Weather being kind of up and there right now, and
with plate in his shoe, is there any conversations about
maybe doing something different?

Speaker 9 (01:23:05):
Like does that create any issues?

Speaker 11 (01:23:06):
Maybe?

Speaker 9 (01:23:11):
What did you learn that day about snow games? You
don't get them too often?

Speaker 16 (01:23:17):
You know, you'd have to ask Joe. I think, uh,
traction on the ball, you know, I I don't. I
haven't thrown much in snow games. You know, rain is
often the biggest issue. I'd say wind is a big issue.
Snow would come in third behind that kind of stuff.
So I think he could probably answer that question better

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having done it a lot more recently than anybody else.
But again, I thought that day, you know, I thought
he threw the ball pretty well, and it's you know,
it's every sance. Just the wind can always factor into
that a little bit, depending on how much that is.

Speaker 9 (01:23:52):
We went back and look at how he played on Thursday,
and I can't review the tape. What was the biggest
thing that jumped out.

Speaker 16 (01:23:56):
Of you, Well, just just how quickly he got into
a rhythm. I think he'd sit here and say I
missed this or missed that. I could feel the rhythm
he got into and the and the confidence that he
had when he was out there. So that's what we
could feel as a team, you know, that that he
was he was really back to mid season form for himself,
even though I again I don't know how he's gonna

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answer that, but for us certainly watching him, he felt
that and and just I think has had a lot
of confidence watching him out there.

Speaker 18 (01:24:24):
When you have your franchise quarterback that it's the team
is invested in, committed to any back in the locker
room and the rally guys does that phrase everybody and
just subconsciously knowing that that's the guy who's kind of
everything's built around and he's in the building.

Speaker 11 (01:24:37):
And all of that.

Speaker 9 (01:24:38):
What does that do for everybody?

Speaker 16 (01:24:39):
He's in there, and he's one of the greatest players
in the world, you know, And so I think anytime
you get a player like that back on the field,
absolutely it whether it's subconsciously or consciously, I mean, it's
it's you're excited to watch that, and you're excited to
rally behind that and and see where he can take you.

Speaker 7 (01:24:54):
It looked like Flacco was very interactive on the sideline
against Baltimore Craig.

Speaker 9 (01:24:59):
Throw up for any and note just how much input
he was giving after a series or is that just
what you expect with who Joe Flacco is.

Speaker 16 (01:25:08):
Yeah, they, to my I have a really good relationship.
So whatever they're talking about is all good. There's got
to see it the same way as coaches do. I
I'm not always back there, you know. I've kind of
picked my spots to go back there between series, so
I don't see it all or recap it all, but
it is good to have as many I mean, we
always travel our practice squad quarterback over the years, we

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want as many quarterbacks over there as possible, and somebody
may see something that somebody else doesn't see. So I
always think that's a good dialogue to have as many
guys over there as possible, especially at the high level
thinkers that we've gotten that room.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Zach Taylor meeting with the media earlier today.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
Hang tight.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
More to get to in this hour. We'll talk some
Buffalo Bills. You hear what Sean McDermott had to say
is opening thoughts of their win over the Buffalo Bills
yesterday and more as we cruise through our third hour
tonight of Bengals Line on the Bengals Radio Network and
ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Let's keep moving along
on this Monday Night Bengals Lone oft the Bengals Radio

(01:26:04):
Network at the ESBN fifteen thirty. We've talked about the
Ravens win. Let's look go ahead of those Buffalo Bills. Now,
Bills beat the Steelers yesterday in Buffalo twenty six to seven.
The final the Bills went on the road rather yesterday
twenty six to seven.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
Dave I got a.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Couple of numbers that point to the clear and outright domination.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
The Bills showed yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
They controlled the clock for forty nearly forty two minutes,
forty two to eighteen. They ran seventy four plays to
forty three plays. They outgained the Steelers. This is incredible,
three twenty two to one sixty six, and they held
the Steelers to ten first downs the entire football game.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
Holy cow, it's unbelievable that that is a total butt whipping.
That is domination. I don't think the Pittsburgh Steelers have
lost a game at home like that in that man
or for a long long time. I mean, I know

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I've met members of the Rooney family. I know how
prideful they are, and they are pissed right now. There's
no way they're not. And Aaron Rodgers, he looked his face.
He looked just like bewildered and be fuddled. He looked
like what just happened?

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
He had ten completions state he went ten for twenty
one for one hundred and seventeen yards.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
Unbelievable, it really is.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
And how often does this happen to the Steelers. The
Bills ran the ball fifty one times for two hundred
and forty nine yards.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
It's crazy. I mean, say, let's round it. You know,
he carries for two hundred and fifty yards a pop
on fifty attempts. That that's domination. That is that's winning
the line of scrimmage. That's owning the line of scrimmage.
It's just not letting you do any thing that you

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want to do and doing everything we want to do
free and easy.

Speaker 14 (01:28:03):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
James Cook ran thirty two of them for one four
and Dave. The Bills were without two of their starting tackles,
Dion Dawkins and Spencer Brown both were out. They plugged
in two others, Ryan Van Denmark and Alec Anderson, and
they do all that with to replacement offensive lineman.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
It's true, that's that's the other thing. You know, Dawkins played,
somebody got nicked up again, had to had to leave
the football game. But man, you talk about you look
for depth. That's that's what you're trying to build on
your on your roster, and particularly up front the offensive
and defensive line. You know, you look for depth, and
you have guys that have to play multiple positions because

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you're not going to carry you know, ten offensive linemen
on the active roster. You know, every week, the numbers
dictate that that's not necessarily feasible week in and week out.
So uh, you know, for them to for them to
be able to to plug and play like they did,
it's a it's a testament to how those guys work,
how they were ready to play mentally in physically understanding

(01:29:05):
every assignment that they needed to he needed to understand
every nuance of what they needed to do within that assignment.

Speaker 6 (01:29:12):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
It was just a heck of a heck of an
effort by the Buffalo Bills as an organization.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Josh Allen throws just twenty three times. Yesterday he goes
fifteen of twenty three. He had another rushing touchdown Dave.
He now has the most rushing touchdowns by any quarterback
in NFL history, passing Cam Newton. He's got seventy six
rushing touchdown this season. Josh Allen has eleven rushing touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
That's sick. It is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
That's just like you look at and say, well, that's
not right. There's no way the quarterback touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
That is really amazing. And for him, you think about
all the great quarterbacks that were dual threat quarterbacks run
the football and throw it, and he's number one all
time in rushing for touchdowns. I mean, the guy that
I used to watch, you know, growing up, ran target
him and he run around like a benchie, you know,
And I felt like he scored touchdowns every single football

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game he played in. But for Josh Allen, for you
to at the end of your career to be able
to reflect back and say, I'm number one in the
National Football League all time in the history of the NFL,
all the years the NFL have been around, I'm the
one guy that has rushed for the most touchdowns in
my position group, the quarterback position. That's something to be
proud of.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
I got a stat for you. I want one quick
stat that we're gonna hear from Sean McDermott. In one
hundred and twenty three games, Yeah, Josh Allen has seventy
six rushing touchdowns for the Bills. That's seventy six rushing
touchdowns one hundred and twenty three games. Well, Jay Simpson
had fifty seven rushing touchdowns as a Bill in one
hundred and twelve games. Josh Allen's twenty one more rushing

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touchdowns than the Juice did in eleven more games. But
still that's some context that makes it even more amazing
to what Josh Allens it really is.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
I'm trying to think of which broadcaster was, that, the
network was, that the game itself was at the pregame
post game studio, somebody said that now Josh Allen is
the greatest player in Buffalo Bill's history, the greatest player
ever in Buffalo Bill's history. Of course, the rushing touchdowns
was the big reason why. At the quarterback position. But man,

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I tell you, I don't know. I'd have a hard
time putting anybody ahead a rental James. Oh, Yes, James.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Simpson twenty six to seven was the final yesterday. Here
a couple of minutes of the opening thoughts from Sean McDermott,
Bills coach after the win.

Speaker 22 (01:31:31):
Good win, tough place to play, well coached football team,
a out of respect for this organization or coaching staff
or players. Hard fought win and a team win hard
to do, especially late in the year on the road.
Or guys, they showed up today.

Speaker 6 (01:31:48):
They stood up.

Speaker 22 (01:31:49):
They knew this would be a challenge and they rose
to the occasion. I'll start with the defense. The big
takeaway after half was huge takeaway and score than the
ensuing drive get another takeaway CB. I believe it was
Joey on the Joey on the sack level, but even
bigger than that was stopping the run. Our defense came out.
They did a great job, Bobby and the defensive staff

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all week long coaching it up, getting our fits right.
Fourth down stop is obviously big for us offensively once
we stopped starting, you know, once we stopped beating ourselves
in the first half of penalties and taking and turn
the ball over, played more of a complimentary game, and
you know, one first down, the rushing offense was incredible,
especially against that defense, well coached team, like I've said before,

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tough front to run it against, and we were able
to stand some positive third down situations where we were
not in third or long. Two hundred and forty plus
yards rushing and then key completions with Josh sometimes moving
around a little bit in the pocket in that four
minute drive was really like an eight minute drive I
think it was, but a big time drive right there

(01:32:57):
for us, and then capping it off with a field
goal to it.

Speaker 6 (01:33:00):
So all in all, great effort.

Speaker 22 (01:33:03):
Certainly things we can work on but good to come
on the road and show our toughness.

Speaker 9 (01:33:07):
Don your defense really since the second half of Houston has.

Speaker 11 (01:33:10):
Kind of taken it up to a different level.

Speaker 9 (01:33:12):
What why, Ald is what has changed you think in
the defensive performance?

Speaker 22 (01:33:17):
No, maybe more understanding guys just you know, kind of
just flying around playing relentless style football on They work
hard during the week and take a lot of pride
in their work. So I couldn't be happier with the
way they played tonight.

Speaker 10 (01:33:30):
Coach.

Speaker 23 (01:33:30):
I know the defense kind of sparred things, but the
two takeaways they're back to back.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
Though.

Speaker 23 (01:33:34):
When Josh got hit on the slide and there was
no flag, obviously his teammates came to his defense, but
I don't know, all of a sudden, it looked like
the mojo got kicked into year on offense.

Speaker 9 (01:33:44):
Did you send some of that juice that came from
that play?

Speaker 22 (01:33:47):
I would hope so, right, I would hope so like
you would, I expect you to be out there right
with them, Chris. You know, so you hit it like
down our quarterback, Yeah, the sideline is gonna rop. The
team's gonna go to back back quarterback of what any player.

Speaker 6 (01:34:01):
So that's what I expected to see.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
That's what they did, and you know it was what
it was.

Speaker 6 (01:34:06):
So but you mentioned it during your opening statement. I
came in a little later.

Speaker 14 (01:34:09):
I apologize. But Anderson and Vandermark stepping in for some
video you at the end of the game there when
they're coming into the locker room, Alan, I think it
picks you even up, pretty emotional. But for those guys
to step in, Josh, not to be sacked, to.

Speaker 5 (01:34:23):
Rush for two hundred and fifty yards.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
Yeah, was it say about the job they did?

Speaker 22 (01:34:26):
Well, those guys knew, they knew the challenge that was
in front of them. Their teammates supported them. They didn't blink,
They really didn't. I thought it was a great move
by the coaches in terms of how they had it
set up Coach Coromer, Coach Gunn and Joe obviously, and
you know, those guys did not They did not bad
any at all.

Speaker 4 (01:34:44):
And I love that.

Speaker 22 (01:34:46):
That's that's who this team is. Guys, go down, guys,
step in, do a phenomenal job, and just again the
toughness of our football team on display.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Sean McDermott after the game yesterday twenty six to seven,
the final Bills win in Pittsburgh. We'll take a time
out of continue. We've got fun facts from day and
hoard with or in Burt's this week to get to
plus it's been a while, but man, you better believe
we're gonna play him to end the show. The awarding
of the game balls, all of that to get to
as we cruised through a third and final hour. Tonight,

(01:35:16):
it's Bengals on and the Bengals Radio Network and seven
hundred or ESPN fifteen to thirty Cincinnati Sports station. Let's
keep moving right along on this Monday night of Bengals Line.
We're on the Bengals Radio Network and ESPN fifteen thirty Lance.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
First, dont's talk injuries with the Cincinnati Bengals. Date didn't
really have any major injuries sustained during the action against
the Baltimore Ravens, which was good because they had guys
that could not participate in the football game. But nobody
is going to miss more than a week, I don't think.

Speaker 6 (01:35:49):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:35:49):
You've got guys nursing injuries and working their way back
to the lineup. I think all hands will be on
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Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
Each week we like to go behind the scenes. Dan
Horde does a fantastic segment called Fantastic Fun Facts. You
get to know about the player beyond the person, beyond
the player, and this week's edition is veteran Bengals linebacker
or In Burks. Here is Dan Horde at Fantastic Fun Facts.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
No Fantastic Fun Facts with Dan Ord.

Speaker 19 (01:36:39):
Time for some fun facts with linebacker Oron Burks from Lorton, Virginia,
not too far from Washington, d C. What were some
of the things you enjoyed about growing up there.

Speaker 5 (01:36:49):
Yeah, one just had a lot of family there.

Speaker 24 (01:36:52):
Just I feel like the DMV as a whole, just
a lot of culture there, music, food, You're close to
a little bit of everything, a lot of all. It
takes a lot of military, but yeah, I just have
great memories growing up there a lot of history there
as well in the DC area, so I feel like
I didn't appreciate it as much as I do as
an adult now going back and like really seeing how

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cool the city it is.

Speaker 5 (01:37:13):
So love living there.

Speaker 19 (01:37:15):
There's an old picture of you on the internet from
being the homecoming king at your high school. Were you
involved in other activities as well? Are pretty much sports only?

Speaker 5 (01:37:23):
Yeah, a lot of sports.

Speaker 24 (01:37:24):
I was involved with FCA at our school, as much
community service as I can get into, and just very
social we had. We had a really really cool high
school experience with just everybody supporting each other with sports
and academics.

Speaker 5 (01:37:38):
Was a huge pieces for me.

Speaker 24 (01:37:39):
My family as well obviously ended up going to Vanderbilt,
so that was a big piece for me moving into college. Uh,
and my sister went to Stanford play softball there as well,
So we're always student athletes, And I just really appreciate
my my upbringing. My parents enforced that really early into us,
just having great values and knowing that it's beyond sort

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and just having an impact in your community and beyond.

Speaker 5 (01:38:02):
So yeah, that was a big piece of me.

Speaker 19 (01:38:05):
So with you at Vanderbilt and your sister at Stanford.
Did your folks more or less tell you make this
choice as much about the academics as the athletics.

Speaker 24 (01:38:14):
Not directly, but definitely kind of indirectly. They were like,
you know, just think about the long term situation. What's
your major, what you want to do, you know, beyond
playing the game, because you know, like the numbers tell
you that, you know, you're probably not going to play
in the NFL or for her professional sports, but just
having a backup plan when that does come. And you know,
I feel like that has allowed me to be a

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well rounded individual. Just just really taking intent about my
my academics has helped me tremendously, you know, just the
way I process thing, the way I learned, and just
again just being a well, well around the individual.

Speaker 19 (01:38:51):
You started out as a safety at Vanderbilt. How did
you become a linebacker and how did you feel about it?

Speaker 5 (01:38:57):
Yeah? So I was actually a recruited as a linebacker.

Speaker 24 (01:38:59):
I was James Franklin, I know, he's a Virginia technologis
last recruiting class at Vandy before he went to Penn State.

Speaker 5 (01:39:04):
I was a linebacker that year. We had new coaches.

Speaker 24 (01:39:07):
Toff come in with Coach Mason, and he saw me
as a safety, So I played safety. I was middle posts,
like running all over the place for two years, and
then I played a hybrid outside inside position, and then I.

Speaker 5 (01:39:21):
Played inside my last year, so really all over the field.

Speaker 24 (01:39:24):
But for me, it's just about find a way to
get on the field, add value, make plays, and I
feel like that allowed me to have the skill set.
You know, this league has changed a lot at the
lineback position, being able to run and cover, and I
feel like that safety background has definitely helped me in
terms of like seeing the game from a different perspective.

Speaker 19 (01:39:42):
We're chatting with Orren Burks as we do this interview.
Your alma maters ranked twelfth in the country in college football.
How much fun is it for Vanderbilt grads to see
this rise of the commodorees in college football?

Speaker 5 (01:39:55):
Man, it's been it's been a long time coming.

Speaker 24 (01:39:57):
Just so proud of the guys, Coach Lee leading the
w and having the opportunity to be around them during
the spring, in the summer, just seeing like the culture
that they're building, and just just so proud as a
long to go to see them, you know, thriving on
the field and doing it at a high level and
getting you know, the exposure from the national media, but
just always had faith in you know, this program doing

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it the right way, and the city of Nashville is
just getting behind them as well.

Speaker 5 (01:40:23):
So it's been really cool to see the guys take
off this year.

Speaker 19 (01:40:26):
You're drafted by the Green Bay Packers in the third
round in twenty eighteen. How stressful was that day leading
up to getting the phone call.

Speaker 5 (01:40:34):
I wasn't very stressed.

Speaker 24 (01:40:35):
I feel like I had, you know, at that point,
you do everything you can to put yourself in the
best situation in terms of being drafted, and I felt
really good about my draft process. I played well in
the Senior Bowls a lad ad there, did well in
the combine. I felt like I did well in my interviews,
and my tape was my tape from college. You know,
I had a lot of versatility from safety to the
inside and outside, and I felt like I had kind

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of like done everything I could and just really had
a of like it's freedom, you know, just like being
able to surrender the outcomes of where I would land.
You have no idea where you're going to be, so
like it's not even worth you trying to guess for
the guys that are going through that process coming up.
But yeah, I just felt like I had done everything
I could and was excited for the opportunity to land anywhere,

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you know, in the NFL and make my mark.

Speaker 19 (01:41:19):
The Packers missed the playoffs your rookie year. Since then,
you've been on six consecutive playoff teams with Green Bay,
San Francisco and Philly. You've played in the last two
Super Bowls. What have you learned about the most important
traits of winning teams?

Speaker 24 (01:41:33):
Man, it's a lot, I'll say first, it's just culture
is so important. Just the standard for play, play style,
not even just scheme, just the way that you play
the game, the way that you prepare your process. It
bleeds over to everybody into the building. It includes the
front staff, the back, like everybody has to be bought
in for you to really make a run. And I

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feel like that has improved my process as well. It
made me a better person, maybe a better man, in
terms of like the accountability that it takes, the effort
that it takes, and ultimately vulnerability like this game, like
you're exposed every every Sunday, you're out there and you
know the whole world is seeing you, so you're just
trying to put your best foot forward for yourself and

(01:42:17):
for your brothers next to you. So I don't know,
just taking that approach, as you know, it had it's
better in my life, you know, in terms of me
having to be better for my brother right next to me.
So I just really enjoyed that about football, the challenge
that it is every weekend and week out.

Speaker 5 (01:42:34):
It's find a way to get better.

Speaker 19 (01:42:36):
I work with Dave Lappa on the broadcasts. He was
on the Super Team in nineteen eighty one with the
Bengals lost to the forty nine Ers. It still hurts
to this day. You played on the losing team a
couple of years ago, and then the next year we're
on the winning team with the Philadelphia Eagles. How did
that feel, considering that you still had that fresh wound

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from the year before.

Speaker 5 (01:42:58):
Yeah, it was just I feel like I just had
the mindset that I have to see it through, you know.

Speaker 24 (01:43:03):
Just having the opportunity and coming up short with the Niners,
and then having the opportunity the next year against the
same team that that very rarely happens, So it's a
different locker room but you know they had to experienced
the same thing a couple of years ago, is losing
to the Chiefs as well, So I felt like there
was a lot of joint motivation towards, you know, getting
it right this time. And yeah, just just wanted to

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lead out it on the field everything I could, you know,
preparation and just knowing what to expect for the Super
Bowl week as well. It was really important in terms
of sticking to your process. The craziness outside and you
know that that goes into that week as well. Just
being able to keep your head down and work towards
the ultimate goal because afterwards there's no greater feeling. And
then then host hoisting that that Lombardi Trophy and being

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with your brothers.

Speaker 5 (01:43:47):
In the in the locker room. So yeah, just looking
looking to repeat that feeling.

Speaker 19 (01:43:52):
It's not quite the Philly Special, but you made a
play that Eagles fans will be talking about for decades.
You forst to fumble on the very first play of
the playoff run with a jarring hit to the Packers
kick returner. How cool is it to have a moment
like that that anytime you go back to Philly, somebody's
going to say, orn Bergs, wait to force that fumble.

Speaker 5 (01:44:13):
Yeah, it's special. It's special, you know, going into playoffs.

Speaker 24 (01:44:16):
I played in a lot of playoff games before that,
and I just remember my telling myself that week, just
find a way to make a player is going to
change the game. And what better way to change the
game than the opening kickoff forcing the fun will getting
the ball out and we go down to drive start
and score right there. So just to get a quick
jump on it, setting the tone for the playoffs the place,
Like again, the play style that we wanted to have,

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the physicality that we wanted to have.

Speaker 5 (01:44:39):
It's super cool.

Speaker 24 (01:44:40):
I still get like dms every once in a while,
Like I'll never forget that, you know, that play that
you're talking about, the opening kickoff of the of the
Packers game. So yeah, just definitely still feel the love,
you know, from from Philly fans and beyond, you know,
for you know, making a play that you know changed
the game.

Speaker 5 (01:44:55):
But yeah, just a really cool moment, all right.

Speaker 19 (01:44:58):
A few wild card topics out for Orrin Berks. Who
is your all time favorite athlete in any sport?

Speaker 6 (01:45:05):
And why?

Speaker 24 (01:45:07):
Obviously Michael Jordan just like his competitiveness, you know, that's
that's hard to emulate.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
And just like his his.

Speaker 24 (01:45:17):
His drive to hold the others around him accountable, the
same with Kobe, like kind of that mindset.

Speaker 5 (01:45:23):
So yeah, I'd probably have to go with those two
Jordan's in Kobe.

Speaker 15 (01:45:26):
You earned your degree at Vanderbilt. Do you know what
you want to do after football?

Speaker 24 (01:45:31):
Yeah, I'm you know, figuring it out. I do a
little bit of real estate inside, but I really enjoy
just business, the critical thinking around that, using business tactics
to attack social problems and create change in the community.

Speaker 5 (01:45:46):
So definitely things around that. That's that's kind of what
I'm looking at.

Speaker 24 (01:45:48):
But you know, I'm enjoying my time in the league,
and you know, I'll have so many doors that are
going to be open, you know, when the time comes
after I retire.

Speaker 15 (01:45:56):
But just focus on now, Aside from sports, what are
you good at?

Speaker 5 (01:46:02):
I feel like I'm good with people.

Speaker 24 (01:46:04):
I truly enjoy the team aspect of sport, and I
try to carry that into my relationships with my wife,
with my friends, with my family and just try to
pull the best out of people.

Speaker 5 (01:46:17):
So that's I feel like that's what I'm good at all.

Speaker 19 (01:46:19):
Right, final fun fact for Aaron Burks. This one's kind
of deep. If you could meet anyone in history, living
or deceased, who would that person be?

Speaker 24 (01:46:28):
Yeah, probably be probably Jackie Robinson. Most people don't know.
That's the reason why I wear forty two. So coming
to the league, you have to have a forty or
fifty number to be linebacker. And you know that was presented,
and you know that thought would be cool to pay
homage to, you know, one of the first black athletes
in professional sports, and like all that he had to
go through, the mental fortitude that he carried and the

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poise that he carried as well.

Speaker 5 (01:46:49):
So I feel like that would be really cool to
hear his story like firsthand.

Speaker 19 (01:46:54):
I love it and I will definitely mention it the
next time number forty two makes a tackle. Arren Burks,
appreciate your time. Best of luck the rest of the year.

Speaker 5 (01:47:01):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Oron Burks the subject of this week's Fantastic Fun Facts
and Dave. Just a final thought on Oron Burks on
a team with rookie linebackers and certainly Logan Wilson no
longer here by trade, I think there's great value in
an Oron Burks being a veteran linebacker, got a Super
Bowl under his belt. He can be a guiding voice
and kind of steer the young guys they have at
that group.

Speaker 3 (01:47:21):
I agree, one hundred thousand percent. Lance and Oran Brooks
is a great guy. Everybody that I talked to in
the locker rooms and they love him. They love him
as a football player, they love him as a human being.
I mean, he is just an unbelievably fine person. You know,
every once in a while, you're going to meet somebody
that makes a huge impression on you. And Aaron Burks
does that with these young players, not only in terms

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of football, but also their life, you know, marriage, family,
how to be a good husband, how to be a
good father, all those kind of things. So and the
fact is, young guys look up to guys that want
a Super Bowl. Yes, you got a Super Bowl ring
hanging off your finger, man, that's a that's ability right there.
And they're gonna listen to whatever Oron Brooks has to say.

(01:48:05):
And Oron Brooks is not gonna steer them wrong, no doubt,
no doubt at all.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
All Right, two segments to go follow us. Our next segment,
we'll go behind the stripes, Dan and lap talk about
their best calls over fifteen years together. It's some fantastic stuff.
You're gonna hear it as we continue with Bengals Line
on the Bengals Radio Network and ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati
Sports Station. Hey, welcome back to Bengals Line on this

(01:48:29):
Monday night on the Bengals Radio Network and ESPN fifteen
thirty Lines. But catlist alongside is Dave Lepham.

Speaker 3 (01:48:35):
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Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
Cool feature this week Bengals dot com. It's part of
the series Behind the Stripes and it's Dan and Lapp
talking about fifteen years together in terms of best calls,
favorite calls, and you're gonna hear the stories behind each
of those calls. Let's go back and pick it up
with Week sixteen, twenty twelve in Pittsburgh. Here's Behind the
Stripes with Dan and Ladle.

Speaker 19 (01:49:08):
The thing I remember about that game is it's the
most physical game I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 15 (01:49:15):
We've been doing this for fifteen years. Together.

Speaker 19 (01:49:17):
That game stands out for the violence on the field.
Two really good teams. The winner was going to go
to the playoffs, the loser was going to be left out.
Cincinnati won in Pittsburgh to clinch the playoff berth. And
the thing that stands out after the game is that
we all got to hear you sing serenading Gino Atkins
in the locker room after he punished a big ben

(01:49:37):
during the course of that game.

Speaker 15 (01:49:38):
Fall drop straight back round, russure at.

Speaker 19 (01:49:40):
Kingsm again, Gino Atkins putting on an absolute show. Can
we get a replay of you singing to Gino Atkins,
Geno Aladdins, Geno Adkis, Gino ahead.

Speaker 11 (01:49:56):
Kids.

Speaker 19 (01:50:00):
So I've been posting clips of some of our radio
calls on the internet almost the entire time that we've
been doing the games together.

Speaker 15 (01:50:08):
That play is the one that's been listened.

Speaker 6 (01:50:10):
To the most.

Speaker 19 (01:50:12):
Fourth and One Rogers has it gets to Frankment, he dies,
don't think a good I don't thinking ball do is out?

Speaker 10 (01:50:20):
Let's cook it out.

Speaker 4 (01:50:21):
It's not running that out.

Speaker 3 (01:50:23):
Bengals touchdown. Terrence Steuman.

Speaker 15 (01:50:26):
People love balls out, balls out, ball out, And I
honestly think that when there's a fumble in a game.

Speaker 19 (01:50:34):
Now, I think I used that expression more often than not,
because that's now what.

Speaker 15 (01:50:38):
I hear in my head. I hear your reaction to
that moment. I'm glad you saw it.

Speaker 19 (01:50:43):
Obviously, I was locked in on whether the Bengals got
to stop on fourth and one. I didn't see the
ball come out initially. With that great defensive play at
the end of the game, it was one of the
wackier games that we've seen.

Speaker 3 (01:50:54):
I mean wickedly wacky. To give up thirty consecutive points
and have a defensive touchdown. When the football game, somebody
throws a great block, or somebody throws somebody makes a
great move, you know, to break free. Man, Those defensive
scores are rare. They're fun, no doubt.

Speaker 19 (01:51:15):
From the thirteen yard line, twelve seconds to go, talk
you back to throw.

Speaker 3 (01:51:20):
Yeah Jah, touchdown, Bengals.

Speaker 19 (01:51:26):
It's the latest game winning touchdown that we've called together.
I think when they checked out the clock, they put
six seconds back on the clock. So to see a
game winning touchdown pass with less than ten seconds to
go is great. Atlanta's AJ Green's adopted hometown, so for
him to be in Atlanta and make a play like
that in the final ten seconds to win a game
was really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
Yeah, it really is plays like that in memories that
those plays create or why you play.

Speaker 5 (01:51:52):
It's almost like you free streamed.

Speaker 3 (01:51:54):
Do you remember exactly where you were, when you were there,
why you were there, everything that goes long with it
when you do it on the road you travel home.
I mean, it's like you don't need a plane, you know,
It's like you're you can fly. You can fly by yourself.
You're up there flapping your own wings man.

Speaker 4 (01:52:11):
And that is the coffin nail Bam bam bam.

Speaker 19 (01:52:16):
There was early in a broadcast partnership, but at the
end of a game. I don't remember the game when
the Bengals made the play that clinched victory, I just
said as an expression. It wasn't preconceived or anything like that.
I just said, coffin nails because the game was over,
and you immediately.

Speaker 15 (01:52:35):
Said bam bam bam.

Speaker 19 (01:52:39):
To this day, I don't know really why it just
just came to you in the moment, I assume exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:52:43):
I mean, I don't know why either. I don't know.
I guess it's kind of morbid.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
You know what's like coffin nails.

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
Well, I do remember seeing movies that are and people
banging those coffin nails in is something that almost every
Bengals fan. Uh you know, I see them out in
the street or wherever. Hey, coffinail damn bam bam. You
know I'll say Confide Hills. You say vam bam bam. Okay, yeah,
we can do that.

Speaker 19 (01:53:07):
Four years ago, he was a senior in high school
in tiny Fort Payne, Alabama. Now the Bengels Super Bowl
chances rest on his right foot.

Speaker 4 (01:53:15):
The kick is up yet, Yeah, good.

Speaker 3 (01:53:21):
Coffin nows Bam bam bam. That is unba believable. The
Cincinnati Bengals comes from behind on the road, it's history. Man,
have a game winning kick like that to get you there.
That that is that's a big time. That's a lot
of fun.

Speaker 19 (01:53:40):
So you summed it up perfectly. After the kick goes
through the uprights, un bah believable. That's what was going
through my mind until that ball goes through the uprights.
I'm not sure that in my mind I had really
grasped you're gonna be calling a super Bowl in a
couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:53:57):
Yeah, and I mean that's the epitome for a broadcast,
you know. I mean, if you're gonna broadcast NFL games,
you want to call the big one.

Speaker 19 (01:54:05):
Dave Lapham has rejoined us here in the broadcast booth
wearing his stylish Yes Ring of Honor blazer.

Speaker 15 (01:54:12):
That thing looks great on you.

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
It was a surreal experience getting the jacket put on
with Lamar Parrish and all the other Bengal Ring of
Honor members. And it's a man, it's like a dream.
You just don't want to wake up. It's everything I
hoped it would be for my grandchildren, my kids and
my grandkids, and my wife Lynn as well.

Speaker 15 (01:54:32):
I was so thrilled when the vote came out.

Speaker 19 (01:54:34):
It's so well deserved, not only for your great playing
career as the most versatile offensive lineman this franchise has
ever had, but for being the greatest ambassador to the
fan base that the Cincinnati Bengals have ever had.

Speaker 3 (01:54:48):
The way I feel about it and working with Dan,
it's I don't look at it as a job. I
look at it as a hobby. It's fun. It keeps
you young, keeps me young. Anyway.

Speaker 19 (01:54:57):
The Bengals are very fortunate they've had you as part
of this thing family for fifty years.

Speaker 15 (01:55:01):
I'm very proud.

Speaker 19 (01:55:02):
Every time I look up at that wing and see
lap on sixty two puts a smile on my face.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Appreciate you man behind the stripes with Dan and lap
I love the story of Dan and coffin Nails and
you the bam bam bam and how just organically started.
And now I got to think, if you're like at
I could see you at Kroger, or like at the
bank and somebody yelling coffin nails and you have to
turn around and go bam, bam.

Speaker 13 (01:55:23):
Bam, right, or what happens to us People will be like, hey,
bam bam bamm.

Speaker 3 (01:55:31):
No, no, no, you got me all messed up.

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
Now do it in the right war.

Speaker 3 (01:55:34):
You gotta say coffin nows. That is fantastic. That was
a really cool feature. I was glad we were able
to get that one in. This week, we'll head.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
Down the stretch, hand out the game balls. Stick around
for that. It's been a while, but it's worth it.
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their director of operations we talked about earlier in the show.
Helped navigate and savage the challenges of mechanical issues on
the plane. Here's Zach Taylor after the win, handing out
game balls.

Speaker 10 (01:56:27):
I'm proud of you guys.

Speaker 21 (01:56:28):
Okay, this season hasn't been what we expected so far,
but all you guys done, keep fighting, keep working, and
todight is the fruit of those flavors.

Speaker 3 (01:56:35):
Man.

Speaker 21 (01:56:36):
You guys have practice to me. You come out here
and you compete, You believe in each other, you take
care of each other. You found a big win and
now that's to be a momental builder for us going
into the month of December. Okay, all right, appreciate you guys.
I got a lot of game balls, get back. It's
been a long time. Okay, waa them Okay, six field goals,

(01:57:00):
let's franchise re s my annoying you six a.

Speaker 10 (01:57:16):
Side, two cents.

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
You have a fun.

Speaker 5 (01:57:27):
Alright when you get a game.

Speaker 10 (01:57:28):
Boy, I gotta take a piece of chicken, don't eat.

Speaker 8 (01:57:38):
And I like.

Speaker 10 (01:57:43):
Miles Murphy red zone.

Speaker 21 (01:57:45):
Huge hit by Miles d Night with the pick came
all from both yay.

Speaker 10 (01:58:00):
Sir Johnson to fumble recovery.

Speaker 17 (01:58:06):
Gets it up to Turkey again, he said, And I damn,
I my this yere j D knocking that ball.

Speaker 21 (01:58:17):
Upright, turn it now? Never giving up on the plane
man knocking up all three?

Speaker 4 (01:58:33):
Who's the touch man?

Speaker 6 (01:58:39):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:58:40):
Oh, thank turkey, Turkey get.

Speaker 5 (01:58:56):
I don't know what that was.

Speaker 21 (01:58:58):
Jase Brown six straight games with over one hundred scrimming jars,
the most begs history. I know, statistically it's not gonna

(01:59:23):
be the best game you ever had. But to have
Joe Burrow back from everything he worked through to give
that come here on the road short week. The visual
win lead us to victory was Joe Burrow game. You know, okay,
you want to talk about fighting through adversity, Okay, and

(01:59:46):
lead enough and not witching for one second last night,
Jeff Brickner, U, no.

Speaker 2 (02:00:08):
No, nothing beats the sounds of victory. Now four and eight,
two games back. The Ravens and Steelers play each other
this weekend. The Bengals go to Buffalo.

Speaker 4 (02:00:28):
Buckle up.

Speaker 2 (02:00:29):
Five games left. I can't wait, Dave.

Speaker 3 (02:00:32):
You never know in the National Football League every week,
just get after it, play your best, don't take anything
for granted. Just take it one game at the time.
As the old scene goes.

Speaker 2 (02:00:42):
We are set to do that. Thanks for hanging out
with us tonight. Let's do it again one week from tonight.
Thanks to Jeff Hobson for hanging out with us. That
was good stuff tonight. Really enjoyed it. This has been
Bengals Line and the Bengals Radio Network and ESPN fifteen
thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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