Sports talk with Lance McAlister -- 12/16/25

Lance takes your calls talks Reds Hall of Fame, talks with NKU men's basketball coach Darrin Horn and Xavier men's basketball coach Richard Pitino.

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
The following takes place between seven pm and eight pm.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
All right, here we go seven oh six, seven hundred
WLW Welcome in RNL Carrier Sports Talk, presented by Kelsey Cherfila.
I'm last calst. You're glad to have you here. I
don't know that two hours is going to be enough.
Tonight it will include you with a personal invite to
the phones in a bit, a couple of college basketball
coaches on this date, and more. What do you say

(00:45):
we get to it. Let's start with some headlines the Bengals.
We'll get back on the practice field tomorrow and get
to work on the Dolphins for Sunday in Miami. The
Athletics Paul Dayner Junior report Zach Taylor actually has two
more years left on his contract after this year, not
one is previously believed. Zach quietly got an extension after
the twenty twenty two AFC Championship game. In transactional news today,

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the Bengals claimed wide receiver Keyshawn Williams claimed him off
waivers from the Steelers. He appeared in eight games this
year with Pittsburgh, returned eleven punts, returned eighteen kickoffs. He
was waived by the Steelers yesterday. The Bengals returner Charlie Jones,
dealing with an ankle issue. Asked today by reporters if

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he's considering replacing quarterback two at tag of Ola, Dolphins
coach Mike McDaniel said, quote, everything's on the table. Didn't
play well last night. Zach Wilson and Quinn Ewers are
options on the Dolphins roster. Stay tuned. College football, Bearcats
working on Navy and the Liberty Bowl January twond defensive

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back or Monny Arnold and Willie Goodwin are entering the
transfer portal. I believe unless somebody has entered within the
last few minutes, that's seven Bearcats in the portal, their
quarterback Brendan Sorosby, and six other defensive backs. The quarterbacks
coach has departed, and two front office people took jobs

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in other programs. Red's news on a couple of different
fronts to get to in a second, let.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Me give you college basketball one.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Looking at the scoreboard update, we will monitor tonight Louisville
and Tennessee, Miami and Wright State dating against Florida State
and Ohio University versus Ohio Wesleyan. You see, women are
underway at fifth third Arena Versus Howard. Catch the action
on fifty five karc as you heard off the top
and perhaps during Red's hot Stove. The Red's Hall of

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Fame class of twenty twenty six announced today. It includes
four members Brandon Phillips, Aaron Harang, Reggie Sanders, and Loop Panella.
The inductees will be honored April twenty fourth through the
twenty sixth transactional News for the Reds today, they have,
according to reports, left handed reliever Caleb Ferguson, twenty nine

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years old. It's reportedly a one year deal. Last season,
pitching for the Pirates and the Mets, appeared in seventy
games with an earned run average of three point five eight.
He keeps the ball in the ballpark, just two home
runs allowed it over sixty five innings. Pitched. Caleb Ferguson,
left hander to the bullpen. One hundred days to Red's

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opening day, hockey Blue Jackets just underway looking to get
back on track Versus Anaheim tonight, Columbus has dropped five straight.
They've been beat up physically and in the standings for
those in regulation. Anderson High School football coach Evan Dryer
from Anderson, of course, the winner of the Paul Brown
Excellencing Coaching Award. The award has been given annually by

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the Bengals since two thousand and two. It honors outstanding
high school football coaches in the region and includes a
ten thousand dollars Bengals donation to Anderson High School's athletic department.
Dryer led the Raptors to a fourteen and one final record,
two straight appearances now in the Division two State championship game.
And Nick Saban, former Alabama coach, now a minority owner

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of the NHL Nashville Predators.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
How about that?

Speaker 2 (04:17):
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(04:58):
Norse up with Coach Horror, the head coach or basketball
coach of the NKU Norse Big One tomorrow night Truz
Doreena against Oakland eight O six. Richard Pattino talks Xavier
Musketeer basketball in advance of the Big East opener tomorrow
night against Creighton. But in and around that, you on
a couple of different fronts, and let's start here. The

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previous hour of Red's Hot Stove was filled with guests
and conversation about the Reds Hall of Fame. If you
were tuned in, you heard Aaron Harang, you heard Reggie Sanders,
you heard Rick Walls, you heard Marty Brenneman. I want
to hear from you. I want to celebrate these four individuals,
Brandon Phillips and Aaron Harang, and Reggie Sanders and Lou Panela.
If you have a story, a moment, a memory, a game,

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by all means five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, one,
eight hundred the Big One. If you'd like to jump in,
man four A Brandon Phillips for my money. The best
defensive base second baseman I've seen in Red's history. All
due respect to Joe Morgan, but Brandon Phillips had a
shortstop's arm playing second base. He did it with style

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and flair, and there was a little bit of hot
dog to him, and some relish on that hot dog.
He had pop. He was a fan favorite. He would
show up here, there, and everywhere out of the blue,
four gold gloves, a Silver Slugger, three time All Star,
Brandon Phillips was. It was masterful in the field and
again to be playing the second base position. Most guys

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play second base because they don't have the arm to
play shortstop. He had the arm to play shortstop. He
happened to be at second base. He was something to watch.
Aaron Harang consistent, durable, reliable, pitched on some bad teams.

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If you go back to two thousand and six, Aaron
Harang led the National League in wins. He led the
National League in starts, in complete games, and in strikeouts,
and did not get a single vote for the Cy Young.
The next year he did get votes for the Cy Young.

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I want to talk Aaron Harang and I want to
talk Brandon Phillips. I want to talk Reggie Sanders because,
for my money, Reggie Sanders is among a handful of
the most underrated Reds in franchise history. I think Reggie
Sanders is one of the most underrated players in baseball history.
He's in a very exclusive club. There are only eight
players in the history of the game with at least

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three hundred home runs and three hundred stolen bases. Let
me repeat that, only eight in the history of the game.
I want to know that company. Barry Bonds, Bobby Bonds,
Willie Mays, Alex Rodriguez, Steve Finley, Andre Dawson, Carlos Beltran,
and Reggie Sanders eight all time. Jose Ramirez this coming

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season for the Guardians, will join that ex exclusive company.
I think, sadly, Reggie Sanders the perception, the fan perception
of Reggie Sanders is skewed by the postseason of nineteen
ninety five. He had a tremendous, fabulous nineteen ninety six
or nineteen ninety five regular season.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
His postseason was a nightmare.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
And I think unfortunately people tend to remember that before
they remember what he did for his career. Look at
his time with the Reds, look at his time as
a major leaguer over seventeen seasons.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
And then there's Lou Penela. Remember what Lou walked into.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
He walked in on the heels of the chaos involving
Pete and the investigation and the scandal and the gambling
under Pete. They had finished second, second, second, second, four
years in a row and second. Then came the controversy
and the investigation and the chaos and the suspension and
they finished fifth that year. Then Lou comes in very

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first season Wire to Wire only managed three years. Years.
But when's the World Series? Let's spend some time talking
Brandon and Aaron and Reggie and Lou. Let me open
up the lines five one, three, seven, four nine, seven thousand, one,
eight hundred, the big One. When you hear those names,

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what do you think of? What moments, what memories? Let's
kind of celebrate. We got four going into the Hall
of Fame.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
We'll hear from you.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Next.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
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Speaker 3 (09:41):
I said, Hey, they will take care of you.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
I'm on X.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
If you'd like to contribute to our conversation about the
four new Reds Hall of Famers Atlance Mecaalis Terra on
X where you want to jump in by phone? By
all means five one, three, seven, four nine, seven thousand,
one eight hundred the big one. Let's talk Hall of
Famers and BP let's head to Hamilton. Eric, you were
on seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
I'm Cornan on Lance.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
You tell me how about Bray Phillips Reds Hall of Famer.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
I grew up.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
I'm in my late thirties. I grew up on Sean Casey,
Brandon Phillips, Aaron Harang.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
That was the class for me. And I went to
a Bengals game in probably twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, and
Brandon Phillips was there.

Speaker 6 (10:32):
It was a rainy game.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
I had on my Camo rain gear because I'm a
deer hut and walk up Brandon Phillips and he goes,
what are you doing out here killing babies? And he
gave me a handshake, took a photo with me, and
I was like he was the most down the earth
dude I've ever met, and he was the baddest second

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baseman I've ever watched. Just the back flips, the just
all the all the plays he's made, just turning plays
behind the back, under the leg all that. I mean,
he's a Savannah bananas essentially.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
He made it look easy, he made it look smooth,
and he always he always paid respect to the fans.
The fans loved him, and he loved the fans back.
And that's what made Brandon Phillips who he is.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
Yeah, he's he's my all time favorite player, that dude
BP and he and he was he literally he's like, well,
you know when I heard killing Bambi Camo, I had
Cama rang here on because it was a rainy bang
and he were on the bud like that and he
didn't care. I mean, no worries in the world, no security,

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just hanging out with the fans.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
It was. It was the coolest thing.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
That's Brandon. Hey, Eric, thanks for listening, Thanks for calling.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
All right, thanks Lance, all.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Right, that's what I'm looking for some stories. You know
what else I think of when I think of Brandon Phillips.
There was a consistency to him, to the point of
it was kind of eerie. In twenty ten he hit
eighteen home runs. In twenty eleven he hit eighteen home runs,
in twenty twelve, eighteen home runs. And in twenty let's see, no,

(12:17):
it was what years? It was ten, eleven, twelve and thirteen,
four straight years he hit eighteen home runs. How about
that for consistency doubles by thirty thirty three, thirty eight thirty.
That was batting average around the mid two seventies. That
was Brandon Phillips at the plate and in the field,

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slick among the modern era Reds. That's post nineteen hundred.
Among second basements, he leads in hits, doubles, homers, ribis
three time All Star, four Gold Gloves, Silver Slugger, voted
red ZMVP three times, lead National League second basement and

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fielding percentage three times, assist three times, put outs twice.
His rank top ten all time in Red's history in
the following categories games, runs, hits, doubles, twelfth all time,
in homers, eleventh all time in Ribby's fifteenth all time
in steels thirty thirty season in two thousand and seven,

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part of the two thousand and ten twelve and thirteen
playoff teams. And I will also say this, when I
think of Brandon Phillips, I think of Wayne Krivsky. And
I've always thought that Wayne Krivsky never got the respected
appreciation that he deserved in his time here former Reds

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general manager.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
It was Wayne.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Krivsky who swooped in first week in April two thousand
and six. The Cleveland Indians had dfade Brandon Phillips, designated
him for assignment. They had ten days to trade him
or release him, and Wayne Krivsky swoops in and offers
a player to be named later to get Brandon Phillips,

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classic change of scenery guy. He and the Indians at
the time didn't see eye to eye. You know, maybe
that that style and flash and pizzazz, a little bit
of hot dog getting rubbed some people the wrong way,
and he was a guy who was in need of
a change of scenery. Incomes Walt Jockety. Player to be
named later was actually not named until June of that year.

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It was a pitcher named Jeff Stevens, and Jeff Stevens
eventually made it to the Big Legs, pitched a little bit,
a little bit more than a cup of coffee, but
compared to trast what Brandon Phillips did for this team.
And oh, by the way, Wayne Krivsky traded Willie Mopana
to get Bronson Arroyo. So Wayne Krivsky in those two

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trades acquired two Red's Hall of famers. Not to che
Aaron Harang for his career in two thousand and six,
I mentioned, for whatever reason, he didn't get a single
Cy Young vote. He led the National League and wins
sixteen and eleven. He made thirty five starts. Oh can

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you imagine the value of that today through two hundred
and thirty four innings, six complete games, and led the
National League in shutouts. He faced more batters than anybody
else in the National League that year, didn't get a
vote for Cy Young. The next year he comes back,
he goes sixteen and six and he finished fourth in
cy Young through two hundred and thirty one innings. How

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much do you think that would be worth in this
day and age to have a starting pitcher in back
to back seasons, actually in a three season sequence through
two hundred and eleven innings, two hundred and thirty four
and two hundred and thirty one. In fact, his cy
young year of seven. Let me pull that up. He
finishes behind Jake Peavey San Diego, Brandon w Web Arizona

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Pride of Ashland, Kentucky, and Brad Penny of the Dodgers.
They went one, two, three, Aaron Harang winds up four.
It's hard not to think of Aaron Harang and think
of I believe it was two thousand and eight that
season the Reds played. I'll never forget this because I
was sitting at what was it called at that point,
the Crown whatever the Downtown Arena was called at that point,

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and I was watching the Cincinnati Cyclones play on a
Sunday night in the playoffs, and I had my headphones
listening to the Reds game because the Reds Padres had
gone eighteen innings in San Diego that day and the
game running so long. I just I was following, but
we were going into the arena to watch the game,
so I'm listening to it. And that's the game that

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Dusty Baker turned and used Harangu somewhere an extra innings,
and then the sequencing was he brought him back, I
want to say, two days later to make his normal start,
and then like four days later he picked again. It
was a sequence of a lot of pitches and a
lot of innings in a short amount of time, and

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it had a tremendous negative effect on Aaron Harang. Some
would say it kind of changed the trajectory of his
career for at least a bit. He did wind up pitching, geez,
how many more years? Eight nine more years? He wasn't
quite the same. Did win fourteen for San Diego three
years later, but it took him a while, and clearly

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that had an impact on him in the short term.
But I will always remember that eighteen inning game, Reds, Podres,
Dusty and Aaron Harang. Congratulations to Aaron, who is in
the Hall of Fame tonight, along with Reggie Sanders, who
I want to get to, and lou Panella, who I
want to get to. Do me a favor and we'll

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get a check on news and Darren Horn's gonna check
in talk a little norse. Do me a favor and
look up to go to Baseball Reference and Baseball Reference
as a website that will allow you to pull up
the career page of every player whoever appeared in a
Major League baseball game. Just look up Reggie Sanders, look
up his career, and I think it's one of those

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looks you'll say, oh, wait a minute, I didn't realize
he had that kind of career. I mean, we're talking
over three hundred doubles, over three hundred homers, and over
three hundred steals. And I know, I know he struggled
in ninety five in the postseason, but look at that
regular season in ninety five as well, over one hundred

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and thirty three games that As we continue, I want
to spend a little bit more time with you celebrating
these four players tonight with your reaction after we check
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for a Horizon League showdown tomorrow night. They're Red Hot
Norse hosting Oakland. Bring a stuffed toy for a postgame
Teddy Bear us and could beat for prizes. It's done
in partnership with Meyer and Toys for tot's always a
cool scene. The Norse of nine and three overall, one
in one in league play. They are undefeated seven to
zero at home going into the weekend.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
I saw that.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
How about that? I love stats. Going into the weekend,
the Norse were the only team in the country with
three players that had scored at least one hundred and
seventy points this year. How about that? For more on
the Norse, let's Norris up welcome in their head coach.
Friend of the show. We love talking with them. That
would be Darren Horne. How are you doing great?

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Lance? Thanks for having me man.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Thanks for catching up with me tonight. I look today,
you guys are averaging almost eighty six points a game.
That's eleven more points per game than any team you've had.

Speaker 7 (19:42):
There.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
What's gotten into your offense this year?

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Better players?

Speaker 8 (19:48):
We just we just got more guys that not only
can score the ball, Lance, but I think are willing
passers that have basketball lot Q to make the right
next and we're just we're getting a lot more easy shots.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Now.

Speaker 8 (20:03):
The other thing about that is, you know we're still top.
You know it changes every day, but as of Sunday night,
top ten in the country, and turnover percentage is still
top fifteen and steals percentage, so our defense is leading
to a lot of transition, which is easy baskets.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
LJ wells ten games this year with at least ten
points in five boards. That's top ten in the country.
I've heard you refer to him when talking with Jim
and Rick on the post game as a grown man game.
It really is. And he's a finisher for you guys,
isn't he.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
He really has been.

Speaker 8 (20:38):
And so proud of LJ because the real truth is
that he hasn't been that his whole career. Right, We've
seen flashes, but we haven't seen this kind of consistency
or just some games flat out dominance from him.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
And just so proud of the growth.

Speaker 8 (20:52):
He's made and the commitment that he's made to playing
so aggressively and really impacting winning with his presence on
the interior.

Speaker 4 (21:02):
And again, I think.

Speaker 8 (21:03):
A big part of our offensive success is because he's
playing the five for us. But this is a guy
that can pop out on the floor and handle the
ball and make reads and make the right passes and
knock down some shots as well.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
In the Saturday when you had five guys score at
least twelve points and record a steal that never been
done in your Division one era, and you kind of
alluded to it. It's not a one man show. I
think you've got four guys averaging between thirteen and eighteen points.
There's contributions coming from all different directions.

Speaker 8 (21:33):
Yeah, we've been really balanced Lance, you know, and you
know we were talking about as a staff today, we've
got four guys that if they got twenty points up
given night, wouldn't wouldn't really be that big a deal, right,
you know, So when you go into game with that
and then maybe maybe a fifth and Taitoser who's been outstanding,
you know, when you go to a game with that,
I do think it's been harder for teams to focus

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on one guy. You know, there's been a lot of
that in the past where we're actually very interested for
the game to mo on some other games, important league play,
where teams really try to focus on taking out a
Marquis Warwick or a Trey Robinson or and Sam Vincent.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
That's that's much harder to do with this team because
of the balance that we have.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
I noticed you had forty four in the paint against
Bellerman's Saturday, you had forty in the paint against Cleveland State.
I was reading your former player, David Wassler covers you
guys for North's Illustrated, and he referred to it as
a paint first mindset. You guys can pound that area,
can't you.

Speaker 8 (22:31):
Well, we're trying to write, you know, we want to
do that in transition on post speeds and then and
then even inside out on our threes. And one of
the things that's leading to is is better offensive rebounding
as well, so a lot of times it's up on
paint points putbacks.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Also, you're eleven games in. Through those eleven, have you
gotten a I would assume a better feel of of
combos and subs and and getting guys on the court
who give you what you need in that moment.

Speaker 8 (23:01):
You know, I think we're getting there, and we're getting
there a little student maybe than we have in years past.
You know, still learning some stuff in terms of you know,
where strengths and weaknesses are with certain combinations in the game.
But the biggest thing is we've had pretty good consistency
from individuals. You know, I think Donovan Rackett to Nahari

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who we just called Donny r because his last name
is so hard to pronounce. You know, it's been a
good example of that. He's a guy that's come in.
I think he's shooting like eighty percent from the field
because he's happy to just run the floor and finish
drop offs and get offensive rebound put back. And he's
really impacted winning for us, you know, in a seventh
to eighth manon roll and so I think, you know,

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all of those things are starting to add up when
we're getting a good feel for rotations and then putting
God in the best possible situations for them to be successful.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
You get Oakland tomorrow night at home for the showdown.
They're led by their wily veteran and Greg Camp, who's
in is what forty second year. They're averaging eighty four
a game. They dropped ninety eight on Toledo one hundred
and one and Purdue fort Wayne ninety five on Montana.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
They put points on the board as.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Well, So it's really interesting.

Speaker 8 (24:13):
And you know, over his career that's been can't steal right,
like their teams are going to score for sure.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
In the last few years, he's gone to a zone
of his own that has has.

Speaker 8 (24:23):
Made them better defensively and more focused on pounding the
ball inside. But this team is playing extremely fast. He
got a couple of really dynamic guards, and they still
have good size and physicality on the interior. So really
going to be the challenge for us to not only
slow them down, but to handle their their size and
the physicality around the basket.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
I noticed this earlier today. I don't want to leave
it out. It's it's not x's and o's, but it's
off the court. It's really cool. Your team has partnered
with Seven Hills Church and your players delivered gifts to
local schools today. What a cool way to give back
to the community.

Speaker 8 (24:58):
Yeah, you know, our guy have really done a good
job of that this year that I think this is
maybe our third project partnering with Seven Hills who's done
such a phenomenal job.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Of serving the community.

Speaker 8 (25:08):
And to be able to give back the kids and
help them have a good Christmas with a couple of
elementary schools this morning. It's it's, you know, something that's
important to us. You know, the Northern Kentucky community means
so much to us and is really the reason we
have a program and and and why our guys want
to be a part of it is because the Norse
nation and to be able to give back in our

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area means a lot. And quite honestly, Lance and in
today's college basketball world, where you know, these guys are
still in full scholarship and don't how many expenses but
getting checks every month, and you know, a good reminder
for them to uh have an appreciation for how great
thankful they are to uh be playing college basketball at
a winning program and getting paid and h be reminded,

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especially in this time of the year, the holiday season,
right how important it is to think others can get back.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Well said absolutely. I hesitate to look ahead. I know
you don't want to do that. But Sunday, another home game.
You get Chris Mack in College of Charleston. We talked
about and it's a noon tip. We talked about this
back in the preseason. But remind me, how did that
game come about? Did you you match up with Chris
Mack and Charleston?

Speaker 8 (26:17):
You know, it was a game that neither one of
us wanted to play. We were desperate to finish our schedules.
I don't think either one really wanted to play a
program of our qualities. But I think Chris got talked
into it because you thought, well, at least the next
year when I come home, I could just stay home
for Christmas, right, So, uh, you know, we put the
game right before Christmas, and you know, if I could

(26:39):
ran for a second, Lance, Yeah, you know when you
talk about attendance, you know, you always hear things like, well,
you're not fun to watch, and we're averaging eighty five
points a game, and well if we were just winning, coach,
and you know, we're nine in three and you know,
possession away from being ten and two, and well, you know,
it's just your schedule is better.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
And you know this week we've got you.

Speaker 8 (26:58):
Know, one of the other premiere program in our league
coming in and I think one of the premiere mid
majors in all of college basketball. When you talk about
success over the last twenty years and the resources and
what they put into it and then IL and all
those things, I mean, Charleston is really the kind of
program that all of us are striving to be. And
so we've checked all the boxes, and man, we need

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truus a Reno as full as possible for both of
those games to really help our guys and what's going
to be two really good basketball games.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
To watch tomorrow night Oakland Sunday College at Charleston. Tickets
Nkunorse dot com. It is always great here in your voice.
Always enjoy our conversations. You know you're welcome anytime, and
best of luck tomorrow night.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Thanks for mean Lance, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Thanks Coach, there you go, Darren Horne, head coach of
the Norse.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
The norsing up.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
They're red hot, nine and three, one in one in
late play seven and oh at home and would like
the benefit of the home crowd tomorrow night as they
try to get to eight and oh at home in
a showdown versus Oakland averaging eighty nearly eighty six points
a game at Oakland averaging eighty four points a game.
Holy cal wonder what the over under total on that

(28:09):
game is. Later on, after the eight o'clock news, we'll
talk with Richard Patino in advance of the Musketeers opening
Big East play tomorrow night. But more coming up next
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oh five, for the moment, we celebrate the four newest
members of the Reds Hall of Fame, Brandon Phillips, Aaron Harang,
Reggie Sanders and Lou Panela. And from more on that,

(29:12):
we head back to the phones. Jeff, Welcome to Sports Talk.
What's on your mind?

Speaker 9 (29:17):
Well, good evening, good evening. I'm usually content to just listen,
but I felt i'd call him this time. You brought
up the thing about Aaron Harang in that San Diego game,
and I had occasion to actually speak with him at
Redsfest and probably twenty nineteen, and I said, you know,

(29:39):
I just have to tell you that I always felt
kind of sorry for you because, you know, your career
kind of trended downward from that game onward. And he
told me, you said it was really everybody blames that
on Dusty. He said it was really on him because
he said he could do it. You know, he pitched

(30:00):
six innings in that game and then came back probably
too soon afterwards, and that that could very well, you know,
be why you know, things happened as they subsequently did.
So I thought that was interesting. I haven't heard that
from any other source other than him, right, I don't

(30:21):
know that. I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, that's great insight, and that's kind of a look
at who and what he was as a pitcher. He
was always willing to take the ball. He had made
thirty starts a year, two hundred innings because he wanted
to pitch, and when his team needed him on that
day and things got very desperate for pitching.

Speaker 9 (30:40):
On that I don't think there was anybody else even
available on the bullten at that point. It was. It
was almost good that Adrian Gonzalez hit that home run
and ended the game.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yes, yes, that's a great point.

Speaker 9 (30:54):
But yeah, I mean, I told I thought kind of
bad for him, and he said, well, you know, it's
really on him.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
On Dusty, that's great insight. Thank you for calling tonight. Okay,
thank you, all right, joy your evening.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
I like the additional information. I just pulled up my
notes on that game.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Made the twenty fifth, two thousand and eight eighteen innings
Padres win twelve to eight. The Cyclones lost to the
Las Vegas Wranglers won nothing in the Kelly Cup playoffs.
I was listening to the game from US Bank Arena
at the time almost six hours. Red's used ten pitchers,
three starting pitchers. The teams combined to throw five hundred

(31:34):
and eighty one pitches that day, three hundred and two
by the Reds, two hundred and seventy nine by the Padres.
Adrian Gonzalezes, the caller reference, hit the home run off
Edinson Volcz at the bottom of the eighteenth. Over the
first twelve innings, Dusty used Matt Bellile for four and
a third and then he used seven relievers, and having

(31:55):
run out of pitchers, he turned to Harangu in the thirteenth.
He'd pitched two pitching two days after his previous start,
Aaron went four innings, allowed no runs, struck out nine
through sixty three pitches, and then three days later made
his regular start against the Padres. Also in that game,
Corey Patterson went oh for eight edwin and Carnassi owned

(32:18):
two for nine. Ken Griffey Junior and Brandon had two hits.
Joey Vado double switched into the game in the ninth inning,
started the game on the bench day of rest, came
off the bench in the ninth, wound up with three hits,
and Adam Dunn hit his thirteenth home run of the
year in that game versus Greg Maddox. Bronson, who had

(32:42):
beat the Pidres the previous night, had a pinch hit
single with two outs in the thirteenth and Paul Baco,
the last Reds position player, pinch hit for Harangu and
struck out with the bases loaded to end the top
of the seventeenth. On the day, the Padres struck out
nineteen times and Tony Clark, who is currently the executive

(33:03):
director of the Baseball Players Association, pinch hit in that game.
It all happened in the uh the Aaron Harangu game.
The Reds and Padres back in two thousand and eight,
back out to the phones and into the Reds conversation.
Heck yeah in Tennessee. Hey Jeff, welcome to sports talk.

Speaker 7 (33:21):
Hey Ansa, thanks much for taking Mikyle. I like you,
but at ease my mind o something.

Speaker 10 (33:28):
Do you see the Reds making a major moved?

Speaker 9 (33:31):
I do not.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
They'll make some moves, but they won't be major moves.

Speaker 9 (33:35):
There.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
They took their shot with Kyle Schwarber, but that will
be their their big attempt at a move. The rest
will be filling in and managing the payroll to piece
this together.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
You don't thank you? What about Marcelo was in? Would
they bring in somebody like that?

Speaker 2 (33:52):
I would hope they could bring in somebody better than him.
I mean, his numbers really dropped off last year. He's older,
he'd be down my pecking order of possibilities.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Well, I heard him.

Speaker 7 (34:05):
I heard him talking about at the Catalanos. Uh one
way or another, they said that that he would uh
be released, you know, uh.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Red would take a change on trying to resign him.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yeah, that's that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
He's gonna make a lot of money this year and
and he's fallen out of favor in Philadelphia, and Uh,
it may be trade, it may be release.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Uh, he's thirty three.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
He's got a little bit of pop still in him.
He liked it when he was here. They liked him.
Maybe it's just he he really can't play the field anymore.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
And I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
I just I just wish the Reds were in position
to add better talent than the Nick Costianos. But ultimately
they may have to settle for somebody like Costianos.

Speaker 7 (34:56):
Well, I do tell you I've been following them, you know,
for sixty nine years. I sure have been full for
sixty nine years. And I've been with you know when
when the when they've been down, you know, been with them,
you know when uh when they one of those two
uh world series.

Speaker 4 (35:13):
And I'm not giving up. I'm I'm not giving up
on them.

Speaker 7 (35:17):
You know, my dad, when you set out, you sit
out on ports on uh and and listen to you
know where they sent out in La. You know, the
game didn't start to Tednacop. But we set out, we
set our reports in the summertime and and.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
And listen to them. Uh.

Speaker 7 (35:32):
Uh the game go off that one on one thirty,
we'd say, right after all reports and listen to them.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Sure would, But I'm.

Speaker 7 (35:40):
Just I'm just wondering, though, if you see him said
making a major movie, you don't think that will.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
I think they'll. They'll make some They have to make
some moves. They just won't be uh big time moves.
It won't be the moves that uh, I think everybody wants.
But they got to fill out the roster and need
to upgrade in some ways. So Jeff hanging there, and
I appreciate you calling as always.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Okay, bro, thank you, all right, let them back.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Thank you. I mean, remember, unless they trade a starting pitcher,
they've only got five to ten million dollars to play
with in that range. Now, having said that, watch they
may turn around and trade Brady Singer and free up
some money. But if you're expecting big big, they to
whatever extent they called their shot with Kyle Schorber, that
was big, They're not doing anything close to that with

(36:22):
anybody else. They're just not going to you know, I'm
looking at Reggie Sanders here. Reggie Sanders in that ninety
five season for the Reds thirty six doubles, twenty eight homers,
ninety nine ribies, and thirty six steals. He was an

(36:42):
All Star. He hit three to oh seven. His on
base percentage was almost four hundred that year. He finished
sixth in the MVP voting. He had years with the
Reds where heck, you go two years earlier. We're talking
twenty five year old Reggie Sanders. He hit twenty homers,
drove in eighty three, and stole twenty seven. He had

(37:04):
a season with seventeen homers nineteen homers, played with eight
different teams in his career and wound up with three
hundred and five homers and three hundred and four It
was three hundred and four stolen bases when it was
all said and done. Seventh round draft pick, originally by
the Reds, and finished fourth in Rookie of the Year
when he came up in first came up in ninety one,

(37:26):
got in a couple of games, then in ninety two
his first full season, played one hundred and sixteen games.
But talk about a combination of speed and power and
had an arm and right field and yeah, I know,
it's tough to not think of Regie Sanders and not
think of nineteen ninety five postseason Braves and Dodgers. He went,
you know, four for twenty eight with nineteen strikeouts somewhere

(37:50):
in that neighborhood. I don't think I have the stomach
to look up the numbers, but he was so much
more than that. Well here it is four for twenty
nine with nineteen strikeouts in the ninety five postseason against
the Dodgers and then the Braves. But man, there was
so much more to Regis centers, and that's why I
am so happy tonight he has been recognized as a

(38:11):
Reds Hall of Famer. Up next, we'll recognize the Musketeers.
How's that for a segue? Richard Patino ahead and more
of your calls. RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey
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Speaker 1 (38:23):
The following takes place between eight pm and nine pm.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
All right, let's keep it moving. Eight o'clock hour underway,
eight oh six to be precise. A Lance McAllister, thanks
for hanging out checking in tonight. We've talks of breads.
Let's talk some Xavier Musketeers. Savier takes a five game
winning streak into their big East opener tomorrow night, Sentaz
Center the place to be for hoops. They take on
Creighton six point thirty with the tip from around that,
let's go straight to the sores. Welcome in the head

(38:59):
coach Xavier Musketeers. That would be Richard Patino coach. How
are we doing tonight?

Speaker 10 (39:05):
Doing great? Thanks for having me Lace, you.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Got to good catch it up. So you guys finish
the non conference eight and three. I know you're still
a work in progress, but man, that pivot and change
that you guys you made with this group on the
fly in the Charleston Classic, it's got to be pretty
satisfying and encouraging.

Speaker 11 (39:24):
I think it kind of you know, obviously had kind
of a soberinging loss for Santa Clara at home, didn't
play well. They're a good team, but we played very
poorly and we had to kind of recalibrate everything. And
we came back played really really well.

Speaker 10 (39:39):
Versus I think it was Old Dominion at home, and then.

Speaker 11 (39:42):
We went to Iowa and actually played well those four
we lost. There was some moments there was like, okay,
we may have something here. Came back played really well
Versul Tomion. But I thought Charleston really really kind of
energized us. Georgie is a very talented team. We really
had the game one, they may a tough shot right
at the end and then played great for West Virginia.

Speaker 10 (40:04):
And it's just been the momentum has been.

Speaker 11 (40:06):
Really good, and it's just it's really attitude and effort.
You know, we've got high character guys in the locker room.
They're working really hard in practice, and it's it's cool
to see just kind of the confidence building.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
I've noticed that.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
I've heard your guys talk about being connected on the
court off the court. When you're dealing with all new
guys from all parts of the country, that's not easy.
That's not always the case.

Speaker 11 (40:32):
No, And you know, it really starts with just the
type of people that you you know, it's hard to
even call it recruiting anymore, right, but I mean the
people that you bring in in a really cool moment.
Last night, I had my radio show, but one of
our walk ons, Henry, had his jersey retired, and we
brought it up and just said, hey, if you could
make it, that would be great. And we had two
guys that had a previous engagement that everybody else went

(40:55):
to it. And it just shows you like they're a
very very tight knit group. You know, it's not always
the most important thing off the court.

Speaker 10 (41:03):
Sometimes that can.

Speaker 11 (41:03):
Be a little bit overrated, but you certainly can feel
it with these guys. There's a respect level. You know,
the UC game, it's a lot for both teams. But
what it does do is it kind of brings you together.
Because that was kind of like the first moment where
you're you're fighting for xavior.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
So it was cool to see your team.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
A couple of numbers that pop off the page that
have to make you very happy. Your your team share
rate and protect rate is off the charts. I mean,
you guys share the ball, and man, they value the
possession of the ball, don't they.

Speaker 10 (41:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (41:39):
I don't know if it changed, but this morning we
were number one in the country and it's just a
turnable percentage on Ken Palm. So where are the one
or two in all those categories?

Speaker 4 (41:49):
Which is great.

Speaker 10 (41:49):
I mean people kind of ask me. I've had some
coaches reach out like, oh, what what are you doing?

Speaker 11 (41:54):
And I'm like, honestly, I'm playing guys who are fundamentally
sound like I mean, we do some passing girls, we
do some you know, footwork, drill and.

Speaker 10 (42:01):
Everything like that, but it really is.

Speaker 11 (42:05):
It's contagious right now, you know our practices sometimes we overpass,
but they're all kind of trying to one up each
other with sharing the ball.

Speaker 10 (42:14):
The assist now some of it.

Speaker 11 (42:15):
As you shoot a lot of jump shots, you're going
to get assisted baskets. But I just think when you're
playing like you play a team like you see you
have four turnovers. We come back the next game versus
Missouri State, who's really really.

Speaker 10 (42:27):
Physical defense, you only have six.

Speaker 11 (42:29):
I mean for us, I mean we're not necessarily the
most athletic team, but if we can just value the
ball like this, it's going to give us a chance.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
You open Big East play tomorrow night at home against Creighton.
What are your impressions of the Blue Jays.

Speaker 10 (42:45):
You know, it's interesting.

Speaker 11 (42:46):
I mean, they've always been kind of a consistent player
in this league, and they've got to believe, five returners
from last year's team. Coach McDermott does a terrific job.
They just haven't really made shots. I mean, I hope
to god they don't make shots tomorrow. But it's always
scary because they're continuing to move. The ball they're facing

(43:07):
is great. They play with pace offensively on a make
or a miss, So the shots are there. They just
haven't been falling. You know, they've played a tough schedule
in Nebraska is really difficult Kansas State. The first half
they didn't play well, but certainly played great in.

Speaker 10 (43:22):
The second half.

Speaker 11 (43:23):
So we know with our team, like every game that
we play, we're going to have our hands full, especially in.

Speaker 10 (43:30):
This twenty game Big East.

Speaker 11 (43:31):
So you got to guard the three point line, you
got to get back in transition and communicate because they're
going to fly the ball to the court.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
You get them at sentas tomorrow night. What have you
learned about this fan base and how important is it
for that shootout vibe not to be a one off?

Speaker 11 (43:48):
Yeah, the shootout is interesting because you know, as an outsider,
you know, I'm a non Zavier guy, and you know,
I'm still trying to earn my stripes with all the fans,
and you know, they kind of and the fans kind
of trick you a little bit because they're like, do
you take this game seriously or not? And I'm like, listen,
as a coach, were one game at a time, this
and that. But you know, really what it is is

(44:11):
the fans and the media really really take it seriously
because of the bragging rights and all that. It's really
really cool and fun to be a part of. But
I've gotten asked that question, and I just said, you know,
you know, I understand a bye game in December.

Speaker 10 (44:24):
It is not always going to be like that.

Speaker 11 (44:26):
But you know, I was very lucky for the last
four years to coach in an iconic building in front
of a terrific fan base in New Mexico with fifteen
thousand fans. And I tell you what if we bring
it like we did in the Crosstown shootout for these
ten home games in the league, like we're going to
be a tough out, you know, it's it's a really
cool fan base because I've never worked at a small

(44:49):
kind of Catholic school like this with no football. I
went to a school like this, but I've never professionally
done that. And they're they're not necessarily a large number,
but there's strength kind of in the numbers that they have,
and they're really really passionate, and they've been very welcome
to me and my family.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
All Right, my most important question to you, can you
confirm a family sledding activity that may have led to injury,
if not at least general soreness on your part.

Speaker 11 (45:20):
General shortness would be accurate, for sure. I was standing
in my office today because.

Speaker 10 (45:26):
My back was hurty.

Speaker 11 (45:27):
You know, We've got a pretty cool hill in front
of our house.

Speaker 10 (45:31):
And my cute nine year.

Speaker 11 (45:33):
Old daughter put like her snowpants on, her boots on,
and my other two kids were not there, and she
was like, well, I guess I'm gonna go sledging by myself.
And I'm like, all right, I got to go with you.
You know, when you live in Minnesota, it was so
cold like the Bengals game the other day. That was
like every day in Minnesota for like three months, so
it was like thirty degrees out. We had a blast,
but I took a little spill. My wife didn't catch it,

(45:55):
but I did actually run into it free as well.
But I think I'm a game time decision tomorrow. But
I feel good that I'm gonna be able to coach,
oh man, that that is good news.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
We'll take care of yourself, and I always appreciate your time.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
In best of luck tomorrow night.

Speaker 10 (46:11):
All right, thank you, mans, appreciate it all right, all right.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Take care coach.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
There you go, Richard Patino, check it in tonight. He
hit a tree. What I can see his nine. You're like,
who's gonna say no to there? I guess I'll go
sledding by myself. I mean I remember that, whether it
was Peyton or Casey is like, oh, but I thought
general soortness might be the way he would go with
the description. Standing in the office this morning, you said,

(46:36):
feeling it. Musketeers tomorrow night, five game winning streak heading
into Big East play with the opener against Creighton six
point thirty from Senta center. All right, let's do this.
Let's let's keep the lines open. I want to welcome
your conversation. I've got oh when we come back. I
came across a story over the weekend of a finish
in a high school football state championship game that you

(47:00):
will absolutely not believe, and I think it might lead
into maybe a little bit of a conversation about the
wild and wacky finishes in sports history over the years
that you could maybe add to as well. Let's try
that at a little bit plus some more Red's Hall
of Fame conversation as we continue. The show is RNL
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(47:23):
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You can be a part of the show during the
show and beyond the show. Checking the scoreboard. College basketball,
by the way, really enjoyed the conversation with Darren Horn
of The Nurse and Richard Patino of The Musketeers. Tennessee
twenty in the country, leading Louisville number eleven in the country,
seventeen minutes to go in the game, forty thirty one,

(48:05):
Louisville playing without talented freshman Mike kel Brown dealing with
a back issue.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
That's not good news. Cards trail by nine.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Also on the docket, about eleven minutes to go in
the game. Ohio all over Ohio, Wesleyan sixty six thirty nine.
Let's see here, Miami fifteen minutes away from moving to
eleven and zero on the season. Travis Steele in the
RedHawks winning at ball State right now sixty or right State,

(48:34):
I'm sorry, Wright State sixty two forty five sixty two
forty five, RedHawks fifteen twenty six to go in the
game and drew Western Heide's Daton Flyers leading at halftime
against Florida State forty two thirty one. Couple of notes
from Reds and Bengals World today. The Bengals claiming wide

(48:55):
receiver Keishawn Williams off waivers from the Steelers. He returns kicks,
punts and kickoffs. Charlie Jones dealing with an ankle issue
for the Bengals. Steelers wave Keyshawn Williams yesterday. He had
appeared in eight games. Also the other news of the day,
Paul Dayner Junior of The Athletic reports that Zach Taylor
actually has two more years left on his contract after

(49:16):
this year, not one as previously believed. He quietly got
an extension after the twenty twenty two AFC Championship Game
loss and the Reds acquiring twenty nine year old left
handed reliever Caleb Ferguson is free agent one year deal
terms not disclosed, at least that I've seen He pitched
in seventy games last season for the Pirates and Mariners

(49:39):
combined era of three point five eight, again a lefty
veteran lefty, and gave up just two home runs in
sixty five and a third innings. Four Hall of Fame
members announced today in new editions for the Reds, Brandon Phillips,
Aaron Harang, Reggie Sanders, and Lou Panella. One hundred days
to Reds Opening Day. A A couple of things that

(50:00):
caught my eye over the weekend, and I don't know
if it's topic worthy. What we'll find out see if
I can maybe jar your memory and gather some contributions here.
Both happen in high school football games. First one from
listener Neil Eisner. Shout out to Neil, loyal listener, follower
of the show. Much appreciated. He sent me this one

(50:21):
Friday night, Louisiana Division two state championship game in football
Saint Charles and Shaw. If you haven't seen the video,
seek it out excuse me online. I'll try to simplify
what took place. There's thirty five seconds left in the game.
Shaw has the ball and they are leading by one.

(50:44):
They have the ball they're leading by one thirty five
seconds left. They just have to take knees to kneel
out the game and win well. After first down, an
offensive linemen celebrated by taking off his helmet and tossing
it into the air. That results in a flag unsportsmanlike conduct.

(51:07):
It stops the clock, so Saint Charles didn't have to
burn a timeout. So then Shaw takes a knee on
second down, Saint Charles calls timeout. Shaw takes a knee
on third down. Saint Charles uses their remaining timeout, so
they force a punt. Saint Charles blocked the punt and

(51:30):
recovered it at the Shaw thirty two yard line with
twenty seconds left. They threw a quick pass ten seconds
left down to the twenty seven. They kick a game
winning field goal, and the kicker who kicked the game

(51:50):
winning field goal had missed the point after with about
a minute left in the game that would have tied it,
and he gets a shot at redemption hits a forty
four yarder to win it. After they get the break
of a helmet being tossed in the air in celebration.

(52:13):
Oh can you imagine, I'll give you one more State
championship game Saturday night, Florida Class seven a Vero Beach
led Lake Mary by eight in the final minute driving rain.
They're up eight, they had the ball. They chose to

(52:37):
run backwards and kneel down on three straight plays on
fourth and thirty one rather than punt and risk it
being blocked in the driving rain. They ran to the
back of the end zone and took a safety. So
their lead is down to six with twelve seconds left

(52:58):
and they're kicking off. Instead of kicking it deep, they
do a squib kick. Lake Mary recovered it. They have
time for one play. It's a forty three yard hail
Mary in a driving rain that's deflected near the goal

(53:19):
line into the hands of their wide receiver who's a
yard short of the goal line, who is wrapped up,
but as he spins around, he flips the ball to
a teammate who fights off a tackler and falls into
the end zone.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Pat follows and they win the game.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Un be believable. Two state championships this weekend, which got
me thinking and led to this and maybe maybe for
a segment and all open the lines at five point three,
seven four nine hundred, the big one give me a
a wild or crazy finish in sports along those lines,

(54:04):
not a comeback or an upset or a winning shot,
as much as something bizarre involved something maybe with a twist,
in this case, a helmet being thrown off. I would
give you. I would give you the band is on
the field as my ultimate number one that came up

(54:26):
at lunch today more than anything else. Nineteen eighty two, Cal, Stanford.
It was John Elway's final game for the Stanford Cardinal
and Cal receiving the kickoff and the Stanford fans believe
the game was over, the Stanford had won. They store
them out of the field. The band is on the field,
the classic call.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
The band is on the field.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
The cow kick returner navigates his way down up the
field through the band, runs over the trombone player and
into the end zone in total chaos. To win the game,
I would give you the twenty thirteen Iron Bowl kick
six number one on Alabama number four Auburn. Alabama lined
up to try potential fifty seven yard field goal, game

(55:06):
winning fifty seven yard field goal. The kick is up
and the kick is short, but Auburn's Chris Davis had
been positioned near the goal line and he caught the
ball on the way down in front of the goalpost,
and the ball's in play, you can return it. He
runs the entire field through the players, both teams opposite

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end zone, touchdown. Auburn wins the twenty thirteen Iron Bowl
with a kick six. I would give you nineteen seventy
two the Immaculate Reception AFC Divisional Playoffs. Steelers Raiders Terry
Bradshaw throws a pass that gets deflected.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
The ball is deflected.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
In the air and is caught by Franco Harris off
his shoe tops on the road and goes the distance
for the most famous, most controversial play maybe in NFL history,
of whether who had touched it first on the deflection.
I'm trying to think of who laid out the Steeler
and who the receiver, the intended receiver was, and I'm

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want it was it may have been Jack Tatum who
delivered the hit, and whether it hit a Steeler first
or Tatum made contact with it first. And in slow
motion you see Frank O'harris off his shoe tops and
run the final whatever thirty to forty two yards, almost
get caught, almost go.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Out of bounds it into the end zone for the
game winner.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
I would give you a Bengal play for this, and
this would be related to the high school football game.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
This would have been.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
What year eighty, mid eighties, late late eighties. This was
Bengals with the ball against the forty nine Ers and
Sam Wish instead of having the Bengal punt the ball
or take a safety, trying to run out the clock
against the forty nine Ers at Riverfront. He runs a
fourth down play from their own territory and Boomer throws

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a pitch to James Brooks and James Brooks can't run
out the clock. There's like five seconds left on the play.
He gets tackled. Forty nine Ers takeover on possession change
and Joe Montana comes on the field with one play
throws to Jerry Rice, touchdown. Forty nine Ers stun the

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Bengals at Riverfront Stadium. That would be a few that
came up during our lunch conversation today, But I thought
about that based on Neil passing along the Louisiana State
Championship game and the Florida State Championship game. If you
have one that of the somewhat bizarre wild or crazy
finish some time on that plus of Bengals, not or

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All right, So the lunch conversation was spurned on by
a listener and Neil who had passed along the story
and wait and then in watching the video, I'm like,
I can't even imagine the look of the coaches on
the sidelines of just how insane the state championship game
turned out in Louisiana when one team receives a penalty
because when taking a knee in the final few seconds,

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the offensive lineman takes off his helmet and throws it
up in the air in celebration. He thinks the clock
is going to run out. It's a penalty. The clock stops.
It allows the other team to then keep a time
out and call it on the next two plays, then
forcing a punt, and they blocked the punt. They recover

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it and kick a game winning field goal to flat
out steal the high school state championship in Louisiana in
Division two. And that led to conversation about some of
the crazy the bizarre finishes through the years in.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Sports, and I've tossed it out to you as well.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Let's head back to the phones, Hey, Richard, give me
a crazy finish?

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Oh yea.

Speaker 12 (01:00:00):
This one's from Thanksgiving Day of nineteen ninety three in
the NFL game between the Dolphins and the Cowboys, and
this game was coming down to the wire. I think
Dallas was up by one or two points, so Miami
came down the field at the end of the game
and they were setting up for a game winning field goal,

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and they they and they set it up. Stuyanovitch kicks it,
it's blocked by Dallas and.

Speaker 6 (01:00:28):
Then the ball's rolling around on the ground.

Speaker 13 (01:00:31):
For some reason, the Cowboys defensive tackle Leon Lett decides
to he's going to recover this ball, and it sports
away from him and Miami recovers it, and all Dallas.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Had to do is just to let the ball go.
The game ends.

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
So Miami sets back up for a game winning field goal,
makes it wins the game, and then Dallas loses.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Such an unbelievable scene.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
It's snowing, the snow everywhere in Leon left is sliding
through the snow trying to grab the ball and it
squirts loose and total chaos.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:01:06):
What I remember, I think Bob Trump, he was a
color guy on that game, and I just remember I
remember him going leon Let, no, no, because the previous
year in the Super Bowl, Leon Lett there was a
blow they were blowing out Buffalo and he's running down
the field with the ball for the end zone for
a touchdown and then he holds it out and then

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don Beebe strips it before he crosses the goal line.
But two yards of the goal lines. And that's why
Trumpy was going, no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Just a classic.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
That's that's great, hey, Richard, thanks for listening, Thanks for calling.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
You have a great night. Bye bye.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
All right you as well. The other ones, uh, let
me round this out. The other ones we came up
with at lunch seventy two Olympics basketball versus the Soviets,
final three seconds of the gold medal game replayed three
different times due to quote official errors. On the final attempt,
the Soviets completed a full court pass and a game

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winning layup to win fifty one fifty to beat the
previously undefeated USA team. They won silver and many, in fact,
it maybe the entire team. They did not accept their
medals in protest, we're not taking the silver medals. We
got jobbed by the officials three times. Three times they

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reset it like oh no, no, no. And obviously the first
couple of times the Soviets had failed on those plays
to score, and then on the third time they actually scored.
I would go two thousand. Music City Miracle, the lateral,
the Titans beat the Bills. Titans trailed sixteen to fifteen.
Lorenzo O'Neil. One time, Bengal caught the kickoff, handed it

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to the tight end Frank Whitchek for the Titans, and
he throws a crossfield lateral directly parallel to Kevin Dyce
and the receiver, who then has a voy in front
of him, goes the distance and wins the game. I
would go. Nineteen eighty three NCAA Basketball National Championship game.

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NC State beats Houston at the Buzzer. Derek Wittenberg, with
the clock ticking down, has the ball knocked away. They're trailing.
It's knocked away. He grabs it and his time is
about to expire. He turns and he heaves one up
from forty feet and it short, but Lorenzo Charles big
Man from North Carolina State leaps in the air and

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catches the ball on the way down and dunks it
on the way down to win the game at the Buzzer.
I would add the miracle at the Meadowlands nineteen seventy eight.
The Giants were about to beat the Eagles in the Meadowlands.
Joe Pisarcik is the quarterback, Larry Zonka is the running back.

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Piserchik turns the hand off to Larry Zonka. Instead of
taking a knee, he hands the Larry zonk Well, they
fumble the exchange. Herm Edwards. That Herm Edwards now on
ESPN it was later a coach is an Eagles defensive back.
He scoops up the ball and goes twenty yards in
for the touchdown to win the game when the Giants

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needed just a knee to run out the clock. And
I and one more just because it well, it pained
us today at lunch to bring this up. It was
that opener back in what two thousand and five six,
what year was it? Bengals Broncos Week one? Brandon Stokely
Gus Johnson on the call, Hail Mary out the midfield deflected,

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Brandon Stokely gets in your here, gosh, John brand It's
runs it in and gets parallel to the goal line
and runs sideways to run a few more seconds off
the clock. Then goes into the end zone and the
Broncos beat the Bengals in Week one of the season.
That was fun today at lunch, I still thank you
Neil for passing along that Louisiana game. Absolutely incredible Bengals

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note today and it's worth the from Paul Dayner Junior
of the Athletic I don't know how this will sit
with you. Well, I can imagine, but I'll run through it.
Paul Dayner Junior has written about the structure the Bengals
organization going forward this year and the status of Duke
Tobin and Zach Taylor and somebody like Al Golden and
some insight on what may happen. And Paul writes that

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Sunday went as badly as any single day could go
for a pro sports organization, and he lays out they
get eliminated, missed the playoffs for the third straight year.
Joe Burrow shut out for the first time in his career,
beaten mercilessly and trash talked by a division rival. Joe
Burrow said after the game, we haven't been a good
football team, and bad teams football teams do losing things.

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There was the backlash and controversy of not clearing the
seats of the snow and the ice fans wore bags
over their head.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
There was booing throughout the game.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
As Paul Dayner Junior rights, this was the kind of
day that can leave an imprint on ownership. This was
the kind of day that consumers hold over a company's
head for years. Quite simply, this was a day that
gets people fired. Paul then goes on to right, in

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most places, Duke Tobin, the de facto general manager, would
be on the hot seat.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
That's just not the case.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Here. Tobin is viewed as family. There is zero thought
that his job is in jeopardy. Paul goes on to write,
firing Taylor seems unlikely right now, and he points out,
as I did at the top of the hour, Taylor
actually has two years left on his contract. Two after

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this year. I think the Bengals are going to pay
somebody to not coach for two years. And Paul writes
the relationship between Taylor, Burrow and Brown Mike Brown will
carry weight. Burrow has spoke openly in support of the
coaching staff. Paul writes, beyond that this is Cincinnati, this
is an ownership group stoutly devoted to patients and a

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belief in the people it hires. He points out there
perhaps could be a question about Al Golden. Does he
become the fall guy? But do you really turn over
another defensive coordinator and bring in a third one in
as many years? This final paragraph from Paul Daanner Junior

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of the Athletic Today. The Bengals have nearly the entire
offense signed and returning next year. They rank eighth in
cap space for next season. Aggressively attacking free agency to
solidified defensive spots is a potential plan. Bengal fans screaming

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for change should prepare themselves for the fact that, at
this moment, making no major changes appears the most likely endgame.
Man Paul Dayer Junior from the Athletic Today. More ahead,

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another Bengals note, and on this date in sports history,
as we head down the stretch and you as well
five one, three, seven four, nine, seven thousand, What eight
hundred the big One?

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It's Rnel Carrier.

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Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chervallet seven hundred WLW down
the Stretch We go news in about nine minutes, Gary
Jeff Walker. After that developing situation in college football, Jeremiah Love,
Notre Dame running back arguably best running back in Notre

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Dame history, has declared well, Jerome Bettis might have something
among others to say about that, but Jeremiah Love declaring
for the NFL draft earlier The Sea follow up on
what Paul Daker Junior wrote about the Bengals and trags
Mike Petrella from CLNS since with Ay dot Com weighed
in with a column today, can't wait to talk with

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him about it on Thursday night. He's our weekly Thursday
Night Roundtable show guest. At six point twenty. He wrote
today about the Bengals the following a couple of paragraphs
that caught my eye. The Bengals only care about mating,
maintaining control of their operation. Season ticket holder opinion and
player sentiment be damned. This is our team and we

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know what's best, he writes. The Bengals have the money
to invest in a real general manager and a real
scouting department, they just refuse because they think they know better.
Fifty years of results would suggest otherwise, and he points
out the change that has taken place around the NFL
in recent years with the Jaguars and the Colts and

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the Patriots and the Broncos. As he writes, they all
took a close, hard look at the way they do
business and who was running their football operations and made
changes over the last several years. And he concluded in
his piece today, with Burrow and Chase and Higgins locked
up for multiple years, the future should be incredibly bright

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with the prospects of multiple Super Bowls. Instead, he concludes,
thanks to the stubborn and unrelenting nature of the Bengals,
the only thing on the horizon is a five category
tornado that threatens to rip apart super Bowl hopes of
every Bengals fan That from Trags today, he'll join his

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Thursday at six twenty on the Roundtable Show. All right,
let's wrap it up with some Reds Hall of Fame notes,
and let me give you on this date before I
run out of time. On this date, nineteen sixty one,
Wilt the Stilt Chamberlain begins a streak of seven straight
games with fifty or more points.

Speaker 3 (01:10:55):
He's one of those guys.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
If you gave me a wayback machine and I could
go back and watch somebody I never had a chance
to watch, I would put Wilt Chamberlain on that list.
I'd have Wil Chamberlain. I'd have Jim Brown, even though
I was younger when he was playing in the NBA.
If I could go back and watch Pete Maravich play
at LSU, I would have that might be an off

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the beaten Pat topic one night now I think about it.
This date, nineteen sixty seven, Will Chamberlain scores sixty eight
against the Chicago Bulls nineteen seventy two perfection in the
regular season. The Dolphins become the first undefeated NFL team
at fourteen and oh they would run the table and
win the Super Bowl as well. Nineteen seventy three, On

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this date, Oj Simpson the Juice becomes the first NFL
player to rush for two thousand yards in a season.
I have images of that game in my head. It
was in the snow. He did it against the Jets.
I want to say it was at Shayse Stadium. He
did it running behind The nickname of the Bills offensive
line was the Electric Company, if I remember correctly, led

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by Reggie McKenzie and Joe Delamoleure. I believe this date,
nineteen seventy six dark day in Cincinnati sports history. The
Reds trade Tony Perez to the Montreal Expos for Will Mcinanny,

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Woody Friman and Dale Murray. The trade of the thirty
four year old opened the door for twenty five year
old first base prospect Dan Dreeson. And you know the
thing that and Dan It was always gonna be tough
for Dan because he was the one who had to
replace Tony Perez. But if you go back and look me,

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Dan Dreeson in his first year as their everyday first
baseman replacing Tony put up Tony Perez like numbers. He
drove in ninety one in replacing Tony and hit three
hundred and stole thirty one bases.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
I mean, that's one of those things you'd lose a
bet on that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
In Dan Dreason's first season as Tony's replacement, Dan had
had had plenty of games under his belt in the
previous four years, but when he became Tony Perez's replacement,
thirty one doubles, seventeen homers, ninety one ribis, thirty one steals,
and a three hundred batting average. But those are numbers.

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Tony was the heart and the soul and the the
the heart, the heart beat of the big Red machine
man in that trade. Woody Friman what retired the next
year in mid season and went back to his farm.
Dale Murray did nothing. Will mcin any certainly was a
very fine reliever for the Reds. But man oh Man,

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this state, speaking of trades, nineteen eighty two, the Reds
traded Tom Seaver back to the Mets. They got Charlie Puleo.
Last from the past in two minor leaguers, including Lloyd McClendon,
and in twenty fifteen, ten years ago. Today, Reds are
involved in a three way trade with the Dodgers and
the White Sox. The Reds give up Todd Frazier and

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the Reds wound up acquiring Jose Perrazza, Scott Schebler, and
Brandon Dixon. Parazza is okay. Scott s Shebler had a
thirty home run season for the Reds. That's a great
trivia question. Who would think that Scott Schebler hit thirty
home runs in a season? But not much from not

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much from Brandon Dixon. All right, your news of the day,
and congratulations to Brandon Phillips, Aaron Harang, Reggie Sanders, and Loupenela.
Phillips and Harang got the most votes on the Modern
Player ballot, which featured were a total of eight nominees,
and among those that did not make the cut according
to the fans, that is Homer Bailey, Francisco Cordero, who

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still has a pretty good case. I mean Francisco Cordero
one hundred and fifty saves with the Red second and
franchise history the team and saves four times was at
All Star won forty games on their twenty ten Division
Championship team. Zach Cozart, Mike Leak, Scott Roland, and Edison Volcaz.

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Fan votes on the Modern Player ballot were combined with
ballots from media. I was part of that, and Red's
alumni Reggie Sanders and Lou Panella were chosen by the
Red's Hall of Fame Veterans Committee, which included, among others,
Marty Brenneman. He talked about that earlier tonight on Reds

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Hot Stove, which considered players whose career ended more than
fifteen years ago, players, managers, executives. The four Phillips, Harang, Sanders,
Penola will be honored April twenty fourth through the sixth
Reds Hall of Fame Induction celebration by PNC, and tickets

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to that gala at the Convention Center on sale REDS
Museum Dot Org. I still am struck by the time
Brandon Phillips spent here and the consistency. I mentioned it
earlier with the home runs, but and even from a
his glove is the headliner, but offensively a thirty home

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run season twenty one twenty and then four straight seasons
of eighteen. But he drove in ninety four. One year,
he drove in ninety eight, he drove in one hundred
and three, he stole thirty two.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
Twenty five, twenty five, twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Three, and man, the pure joy that he played with
and the connection he made with this fan base pretty
amazing and very happy for all. I would say all,
but I just think it's cool that Reggie Sanders gets
brought back into the spotlight and remembered for the totality

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of his career, which I think, to me replaces the
previous big picture view of Reggie by many he was, Oh,
he's the guy who struck out a gazillion times in
the ninety five postseason. This now becomes the biggest talking
point in the memory I hope for Reds fans of
Reggie Sanders now being a Red's Hall of Famer. I

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wish I had more time. I could have used that
extra hour tonight. Thanks to Sean McMahon for producing, Thanks
to you for taking a listen. Stick around.

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Gary.

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