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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I want to be an American.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Indio News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen in four

(00:24):
Scott Sloan on New Year's Day, twenty twenty six. I'll
tell you what, since I've been working so much, I
had a kind of a laid back New Year's last night.
Made it through the first quarter of the Ohio State game.
I'm kind of glad now that I did fall asleep.

(00:44):
Didn't get any better from what I saw the first quarter.
It's a darn shame. Ohio State started this season with
so much promise and pretty much ends it with two losses.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
But anyway, that's what happens when you get old.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
You just don't really hear too much about New Year's
Eve anymore. Hey, you know, we had a guy yesterday
that called and said, hey, you guys are doing too
much fluff here. Well, the big news is, of course,
the situation in Minnesota and that broke And I'll tell
you what. I'm gonna talk about it, but I will say,

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because this is the first day of twenty twenty six,
we're gonna do a little bit of fluff today too.
But interspersed with that, we got some serious stuff. James
Bogan attorney is going to call in and talk about
a situation that has come up with the whole trans
surgery and all that and really really sad story. We'll

(01:44):
talk to James about that at ten o'clock. I'm looking
forward to this. Eleven o'clock Kevin Burton. We're gonna be
talking about the political stories of the year. We had
Kevin on yesterday. We did kind of a lightning round
thing kind of similar to that. I think it was
really good. Then at eleven thirty, jud Dunning is he's

(02:05):
a talk show host, he's also an author. He is
going to talk about and boy it's good because he's
got an ourbed piece about civility and the situation in
Israel and how it's a moral kind of comprehension thing,
how we are on the right side of that. Jud

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is a great guest. I've had him on before, and
we're going to talk to him about that. But in
the meantime, I want to talk to you about something
that broke yesterday, and we've all been talking about it.
People have been saying the same thing pretty much that yeah,
Minnesota's got their problems, but we perhaps might in Ohio

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here and finally some things are starting to happen along
those lines, but you know, from what I've read so far,
it's still kind of an open question as to whether
we have a Minnesota situation in Ohio here. The Columbus
Dispatch was pretty much all over this. They had an
article yesterday, I guess points out that a viral video

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alleging daycare in Minnesota's Somali community prompted the FBI to respond,
and then following that calls for investigations in Ohio. Ohio
GOP lawmakers are asking the state to investigate similar unproven
claims of frauds circulating on social media about the Columbus

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area daycares. The Ohio Governor's office states it has a
long standing robust anti fraud measures in place for its
attendance based public daycare funding system. Didn't get a chance
to dive into this thing too much, but that last statement,
the Ohio Governor's office having long standing robust anti fraud measures,

(03:57):
Ohio having the ows, It looks like that probably is
the case. Anyway, what got this role and we played
it yesterday. The video It chose a citizen journalist. He
visited multiple daycare centers in the Twin cities, which he
says are abandoned despite being licensed to serve dozens of

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children and receiving public funds. To USA Today reported and
looking at it further, Ohio is it has the second
largest Somali immigrant population in America after after Minnesota. Okay,
so the Dispatch, the Columbus Dispatch, they lean left. I

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don't think anybody would doubt that. They quickly said that
the evidence did not substantiate the claims. You know, and
I went nuts yesterday on the New York Times for
an article they had about Minnesota and knocking the young
man is his name, I forget his first name, knocking

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him for what he did, going around with a cameraman
and a cell phone camera, checking up on these daycare centers.
And it's a forty eight excuse me, forty two minute video.
You ought to watch it if you can't, without question,
without question, it shows that he shows up at all

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these daycare centers, no kids, no nobody.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
And the New York Times spent I don't know, four
or five.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Pages basically saying how horrible that was, and you know,
this guy's not a professional journalist, and blah blah blah
blah blah, well, the obvious question becomes, then, where were
you New York Times. Why didn't you, supposedly a legitimate
media outlet, why didn't you investigate? I'm kind of thinking

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and maybe it's a little too early to say this.
The same may be true for the Columbus Dispatch. I
guess we shall see one day this week. It wasn't yesterday,
maybe Monday or Tuesday. We're talking about it on the air.
I've been in for Sloaney all week, last week and
this week too. State Senator Steve Huffman he said he

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was driving and he was listening, so he called in.
He's state Senator for Ohio District five, Preble County, Dayton
area and that.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
And he's pretty.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Emphatic that he was hearing too that Ohio may have
some problems along those lines.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
So I guess we shall see.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
You know, I know Mike Dwine and he is I
guess what you'd call maybe a penny pincher, which is good,
keeps a pretty good eye I think on the money
being spent in the state of Ohio, not just for
this stuff, for everything else.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
But it's it's unfolding.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
H I spoke with a can't reveal the name, but
a national journalist yesterday who told me that that journalist
is all over this up and Columbus and will probably
be writing something about it within the next couple of days.
So we'll make sure that we keep up on this.

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It's not something obviously that you're gonna let go. I'll
tell you. I've said it before. I'm sure people are
sick of hearing it. This is, without question, the biggest
government fraud case that I have ever seen in my lifetime.
And I'm no spring chicken, you know. I mean, it's
truly staggering, just the amounts of money that they're talking about.

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And some person, some commentator referred to it, I think
very appropriately it is the grift that keeps on giving.
And I think, well into the new year, we're going
to be hearing about this. So let's take a short
break and come back, and we may start a little fluff.
Mike Allen in for Slowne on New Year's Day, seven

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hundred WLW nine twenty News Radio seven hundred WLW. Mike
Allen in for Sloane on New Year's Day, twenty twenty six.
We have open lines from nine thirty to ten and

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then again from ten thirty two eleven. If you want
to be a part of the festivities seven four nine,
seven thousand, one, eight hundred, the big one hour of
the numbers, we'd love to hear from you. But the
one thing I did want to say before we get
into the fluff, if you will Saturday, on Saturday midday,
I am going to be talking to Russ Neville and

(08:38):
perhaps other members of the Neville family about the just
abominable situation with Cincinnati Police Chief Tarifa Fiji.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
I'm sure you probably heard already, we're running it on.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Our news cast that city of Cincinnati is going to
continue their quest to find some reason to fire her
into twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
They hired a law firm.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
I believe it's Frost Brown Todd, which is a great
law firm. No knock on them at all, but it
would seem to me they hired this law firm pretty
much with a charge if you will, Hey, we got
to find something to hang our hat on for firing
this chief, and could you please help us find it.

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It is an absolute travesty, one of the biggest travesties
of twenty twenty five in this city. And as I said,
we'll be talking Saturday, not sure what time yet with
Russ Neville of the Neville family about that, and we're
going to do a deep a dive into that as possible,
because again, what has happened to her is just not

(09:49):
right and should not happen to anyone. So the city
blew it on that one. Something tells me that if
Chiefdiji does not come back, which apparently, for reasons known
only to the city administration, don't want her back, she's
going to be reaping a whirlwind, if you will, in

(10:10):
a settlement against the city. And the city's already I
believe already paid out quite a few bucks for the
firing or termination, whatever you want to call it of
the fire chief and also some other things too, So
city needs to get their act together. But I want
to do as deep a dive as possible into this

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as I can on Saturday. Anyway, getting two the twenty
twenty five stories big stories of that year, broken down
sports music, which I know nothing about if it's not
something that is recorded within the last thirty five or
forty years. But we didn't do it anyway, but Fox News,

(10:52):
thank god for Fox News. They have the ten medium
moments and controversies that defined twenty twenty ten media moments
and controversies that defined twenty twenty five. It is very thorough.
I think it's very accurate and very fair. So let's
start with that. Number one. This is great jury fine,

(11:15):
CNN committed defamation against navy veteran. Settlement reached on punitive damages.
And this one got by me because I don't remember
much about this, but at any rate, as Fox News
explains it, a jury found that CNN committed defamation against
US Navy veteran Zachary Young and was responsible for punitive

(11:37):
damages in January, after more than eight hours of deliberation.
And you know, on a complex civil case, a defamation case,
eight hours isn't that long a deliberation At any rate,
this man, mister Young, he successfully alleged that CNN smeared
him by implying he illegally profited when helping people flee

(11:59):
Afghanistan on the black market during the Biden administrations. And
I'll kind of beat this up here. Botched and just
horrible military withdrawal from that country in twenty twenty one,
I've never seen anything like it. We look bad in
the eyes of the world. We left behind billions and

(12:20):
billions of dollars in military equipment, all because Joe Biden
couldn't get his act together. Anyway, Young said CNN destroyed
his reputation and business by branding him an illegal profiteer
who exploited desperate Afghans during a November eleventh, twenty twenty
one report by Alex Marquart that first aired on CNN's

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The Lead with Jake Tapper.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Jake Tapper, of.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Course you all know him, probably one of the most
biased journalists in the country. Although I have to say,
because I read it, he did write a pretty accurate
and pretty critical book, if you will, about one Kamala
Harris and the election, the recent presidential election back in

(13:08):
twenty twenty four. You know, I told people, I said, hey,
look I bought the book. I wasn't happy about it,
but I bought it, so you didn't have to at
any rate. Overall though, he's pretty biased journalist. But getting
to the story, the six six person jury ruled Young
was awarded The sixth person jury ruled that Young was

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awarded four million bucks in lost earnings, a million dollars
in personal damages such as pain and suffering and said
that punitive damages were warranted against CNN. And again, this
is all after eight hours of deliberation, which is nothing
on a civil case of this nature. As the jury
was gearing up to determine punitive damages, the appellate court

(13:55):
stepped in. They announced that Young and CNN, the lawyers
announced that Young and CNN reached the settlement for the
amount that would be awarded to the Navy veteran. The
Jerry Foreman later told Fox News Digital they were prepared
to make CNN pay are you ready somewhere in the
neighborhood of fifty to one hundred million dollars.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
This is what CNN says.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
After the settlement, CNN said it would take useful lessons
from the decision. You know, I have to tell you,
I don't like rejoicing in other people's glee or other
people's problems, But this media stuff finally, finally, finally, and

(14:43):
mainly it's Donald Trump. People are standing up to the
mainstream media in the case of President Trump, not just
him personally, but his administration. You know, I love watching
the Sunday shows when one of his people are going
to be on it, like the Vice President Marco Rubio.

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If the host and the questioner ask a question that
they feel is unfair or not ask properly, boom, they're
in their face. You know the days are gone when
Dan Rather whoever, asks a question and you know the
recipient of the question just cowers in fear. Oh, I

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can't say anything about Dan Rather. Blah blah blah, uh
uh no more. And the mainstream media has no one
to blame but themselves for that. And Donald Trump is
ringing them up big time, Paramount and CBS. And I'm
not gonna be able to get this finished before the news,
so I'll come back to it. Paramount CBS forced to

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pay eight figures change their editorial policy in a settlement
with President Trump and CBS, of all of them, probably
the most biased of all, certainly what question the most
arrogant media outlet?

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Well, it'd probably be a close.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Tie with The New York Times, but anyway, they were
forced to pay eight figures and change their editorial policy
in a settlement with the president. Paramount Global and CBS
agreed in July to pay President Donald Trump a sum
that could reach north of thirty million to settle the

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president's election interference lawsuit against the network.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
I know you'll remember this.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Donald Trump was seeking twenty billion dollars in his lawsuit
against CBS over the way they handled this is classic
CBS classic sixty minutes, the way they handled a sixty
minute interview last year with then Vice President Kamala Harris
and basically Trump accused the network of election interference leading

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up to that contest. By the way they edited this thing,
you can rest assured. I mean, Kamala Harris, even the
edited version that CBS put out looked like an idiot.
But man, the whole unredacted interview looked like an idiot,
even more so than she usually does. So when we

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get back, I'm going to kind of finish up on
this one. Mike Allen in for Slowney seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Hey, we're back.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Mike Allen in for Sloane on New Year's Day twenty
twenty six, talking about the ten media moments and controversies
that define twenty twenty five, a list compiled by Fox
News Digital. When we were bumping up against the news here,
I was talking about paramount and CBS forced to pay

(17:51):
eight figures to the president. Actually he's putting this money
towards his presidential library and CBS, and we'll be talking
about CBS and the only one that was forced to
pay up to the president. Anyway, they agreed to pay
eight figures. They changed their editorial policy in this settlement.
So here's what was all about. And you know, like

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I said, you probably y'all saw it the lawsuit. Trump
filed suit against CBS. It alleged that CBS News and
they did deceitfully edited and exchanged with Kamala Harris that
she had with sixty minutes. It was a sixty minutes
correspondence Bill Whittaker. So they're going back and forth. This

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was in the closing days too of the election. And
of course, you know CBS and most of these other
mainstream outlets, they don't see their job as to inform you.
They see their job as to advocate for the liberal
politicians and causes.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
That they like.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Pretty damn simple. That's the way it's been for as
long as I can remember. But thankfully, I'm not going
to say it's coming to a close, but it's starting
to take the wind out of their sales a little bit. Anyway,
So Kamala is doing her word salad. She's in this
conversation with Bill Whitaker sixty minutes and he asked her specifically,

(19:20):
why Israelly Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyah who wasn't listening to
the Biden administration? Stupid question to begin with, He wasn't
listening to the Biden administration because they had nothing of
substance or helpful to say about the situation. Harris was
widely mocked. She what a surprise for the word salad

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answer that aired in a preview clip of the interview
on Face the Nation Faced the Nation, of course, as
the CBS very biased Sunday program.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
However, when that same question.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Was aired during a primetime special on the network, Harris
had a different, more concise response.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Gee, what a shock.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Critics at the time at UCBS News of deceitfully editing
Harris's word salid answer to shield the Democratic nominee from further.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Backlash leading up to election day.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Now, I ask you a rather obvious question, is that
their job to do that?

Speaker 3 (20:23):
To make her?

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Kamala Harris, this idiot of the first degree, who can't
even string a sentence together, who refused to let the
public know what her position on the issues of the day,
The important issues of the day were is that their
job to do that or is it their job to
interview the woman? Put the interview on and let the

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people decide. Anyway, That's my little editorial moment there. However,
when the same question aired during a primetime special, as
I said, she had a different, more concise response.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Gee, how does that happen?

Speaker 2 (21:00):
And critics at the time atqu CBS News of deceitfully
editing Harris's word salad answer, as I said, to shield
her from further backlash. As you all know, she took
a lot of guff for her word salads. Anyway, Donald Trump,
this is.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
A great part. I just love reading this.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Donald Trump received sixteen million bucks up front. Okay, that
covered legal fees, you know, court costs in the case,
other costs and contributions to his future presidential library or
charitable causes to deep be determined at President Trump's discretion.
Now here's the thing that has to gall, absolutely has

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to gall CBS. There's also there was also an anticipation
that there would be another allocation in the eight figures
set aside for I love this and you know what
I mean, I hate to say it.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
I believe it when I.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
See it, because it's almost too good to be true. Okay,
there would be another allocation in the eight figures set
aside for advertisements, public service announcements, or other similar transactions
in support of conservative causes by the network in the future.

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How great is that these arrogant you know what's at
CBS who sit up on high and think that they
know so much more than you do. By God, that's
why they're going to shape the news the way they
want it to be done. They now are going to
have to do these ads, presumably television ads, basically supporting

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conservative causes. It don't get any better than that, folks.
Just around this thing up here. Sources close to the
situation told Fox News Digital that CBS has agreed to
update its editorial standards to install a mandatory new rule.
Going forward, the network will promptly release full, unedited transcripts

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of future presidential Canadas interviews. People involved in the settlement
talks have referred to it as are you ready the
Trump rule? You may recall on this thing. When it
came out, the president and others were demanding, demanding to
see at least let us see the entire unedited transcript,

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and CBS, being the arrogant news outlet that it is, said, no,
we're CBS, we don't have to do that.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Well guess what they did.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
They did, and they say they're going to change their
policy too and not have this happen again, and they're
going to call it the Trump rule. You just you
gotta love it, You gotta love it. Hey, listen, I
know it's New Year's Day. You all got a lot
to do. But if you want to be part of it,
here seven four nine, seven thousand, one eight hundred the

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big one. Those are the numbers. Let's take a short
break and we'lcome back. Mike Allen in for Slowey, seven
hundred WLW, nine thirty seven News Radio, seven hundred WLW
Mike Allen in for Sloaney on New Year's Day, twenty
twenty six. Hey, we're talking about some of the media things,

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the big media moments and controversies that defined twenty twenty five.
If you want to be a part of it, seven
four nine, seven one, eight hundred, the big one are
the numbers. We've got Fred up in Xenia. I want
to hear what he is to say, Happy New.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
Year, Fred, Well, happy New Year. You do a fantastic
job on the radio. Thank you and always enjoy hearing you.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
I ended up in Xenia, but I did business in
Cincinnati for over forty years. Okay, it was in the
event business and tons of events with the Democrat Party,
with the Republicans that everybody. I worked with, everybody, and
it was a complete joke that the Democrat Party is

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a in my humble opinion, is a complete criminal organization.
Everything they do is about scamming money and getting control
over people.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
When you look at the.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
Different things going on in Cincinnati and Ohio and Columbus,
now you know all of this, all of this corruption
going on on that there's no way in the world
that that can go on without them knowing about it.
And you know, the first thing out of the win's office,
which I have a completely different opinion of him than you,

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but when when they first come out of his office
is his comments to you know, oh, that's just.

Speaker 6 (25:53):
Part of doing business.

Speaker 5 (25:55):
I mean, if you're if you're running legitimately a state
and you have fraud brought up to you, your first
response is not to accept it. Your first response should be,
let's look into it and find out what the truth is.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Frank, let me let me ask you, is that what
the governor said, this is just a part of doing business.
Because I didn't see that. I could have missed it,
but I wanted to ask you.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
That was credited in the paper on the gateway punting
from his office.

Speaker 7 (26:27):
Okay, So I don't know if.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
That came directly out of his mouth or out of
his associates there.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Well, whoever said it, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
I mean, it ain't part of doing business, and it's
not the way it's supposed to be.

Speaker 6 (26:39):
Well, and you look into things, you know.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
What we need to look into now is not only
the amount of money that are going to these daycare centers,
but where's the money going from there?

Speaker 6 (26:49):
Because there's no.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
Way that a politician is going to turn their head
and allow you to skim money and that without getting.

Speaker 6 (26:57):
A piece of it. They're just not going to do it.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
And why why would anybody turn their heads to corruption
unless they're getting a piece of it.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Well, and let me ask you, I think by the
end of the day, when it's all said and done
up in Minnesota, that's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
It has to because as you accurately.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Point out, I mean, all the graft going on up
there and nobody knows about it. It just it would
kind of make a person think that somebody is stuffing
something into their into their wallet.

Speaker 6 (27:34):
But well, they've already shown that in Minnesota.

Speaker 5 (27:37):
They've already shown contributions from these daycare centers directly to
Democrats in that And I get that, I.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Mean directly to the person itself, which is blatantly illegal,
and it's it's a felony, the campaign finance thing, the
campaign contributions.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
I get what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
I get what you're saying, But unfortunately that's kind of
a part of politics.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
I mean, it probably should be changed at some point.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
But you know, we had a federal trial down here
against a former Cincinnati City council member TG Sittenfeld PG
sitting Feld who got convicted on it, but he was
pardoned by the president.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
Well there's you're completely right in that. You know, some
of that could just be legitimate, you know, politicking, But
you don't come in like elon Omar, into a position
in government.

Speaker 6 (28:31):
Yeah, where you're worth you.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
Know, forty to fifty thousand dollars and in less than
a year. You're worth thirty million. That just doesn't happen
without a really good story.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
You're so right, You're so right.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
And the FBI is on the ground there now, as
I understand it, in force with all their investigatory tools.
And at the end of the day, if anyone's going
to get popped criminally up there, I'd put her at
the top of the list, followed closely behind the boob
governor they.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Have up there.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
But yeah, well, and to look at Nancy Pelosi too,
I mean, how many millions of dollars did she make
while she was in office and she doesn't have any other.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
Job, right, hundreds of millions, And she and her trades
have outpaced every single professional investor that.

Speaker 6 (29:24):
Is that is in the market's She.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Is, without question, the best investor ever in the country.
It's ludicrous. And the same thing with the you know,
Marjorie Taylor Green. You know, she goes up there, she's, oh,
I'm a Trump supporter and everything else, and she's, you know,
worth seventy five eighty thousand dollars and five years later

(29:47):
she's worth twenty five millions. Yeah, I mean, come on,
and there's no way to hide those things. All we
have to do is be serious about looking into it.
I mean, you've been fighting crime forever. You know that
you cannot hide a thirty million dollar wealth in there
without some.

Speaker 6 (30:08):
Strings going somewhere.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Yep, you're so right about that.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
And like I said a million times this week, I
think we're at the tip of the iceberg on this thing,
not only in Minnesota but all over the country.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Just the abject waste of our money.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
And this is what happens, in my opinion, when you
put these people in charge, Liberal Democrats, this is what
is going to happen.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
And we're all feeling it now.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
Well, what I saw behind the scenes and working with
these people is that this is an orchestrated effort. In
my venue in Cincinnati, on stage, I had the head
of the Democrat Party from Colorado and he spoke and
in detail talked about how they destroyed the career of
Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell, you know, the first State of

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American senator in history. And they talked about how they
discovered a low level employee working for him who was
involved in a nasty divorce, had given a couple of
bonuses to people that worked for her. They cashed the
checks and kicked it back to her to pay her
divorce lawyer. The senator had nothing to do with it,

(31:19):
no knowledge of it or whatever, but he laid out
on my stage and I had to listen to it.
I did record it. How they took that, contacted a
friend in the Justice Department to develop this into a
crime and an investigation of the senator, and they ended
up ending his career, knowingly ending his career on what

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they started out from as a lie.

Speaker 6 (31:46):
And they knew it.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
He was bragging about it and teaching those people in
Cincinnati how to do the same thing. The first thing
you do is opposition research.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah, and that's pretty much par for their course. Hey,
I appreciate the call. This has been a great call, Fred,
but I do have to move on. Thank you so
much for sharing that.

Speaker 6 (32:06):
Thank you for your time.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Okay, okay. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
You know, the man sounds like he knows what he's
talking about. And his voice too. I know that kind
of indicates to me that he's been in journalism, TV,
radio or whatever at some point. That's just a guess
on my part. Hey, let's talk to Rick. He's in Dallas. Hey, Rick,
how you doing.

Speaker 6 (32:28):
First?

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Thing the New Year, Thank you, sir, you too, you too, you.

Speaker 8 (32:33):
Yours for uh for st I have a couple subjects,
but for openers, Uh was mister Larry Householder? Was he
a Democratic Republican Republican?

Speaker 6 (32:46):
Wasn't he?

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah? Yeah, exactly, and.

Speaker 8 (32:49):
Yeah, and he ripped all was the sixty big one,
big big one.

Speaker 9 (32:56):
It was huge.

Speaker 6 (32:57):
Yeah, it was you.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
And he's in prison and he's going to be sitting
there for many many years to come. Yeah, I mean
that was the That was the shall I say, ballsiest
move that I've ever seen, and it just blew up
in his face.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
And you know, somebody like that. I don't have a
sympathy for him.

Speaker 8 (33:14):
But the guy never quits. He's still appeal with that.
I mean, everybody is just as clear as black white here.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
No, And it was I agree, it was. It was
a strong conviction.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
And you know, I mean people, especially at that level,
they appeal just as a matter of course, and you know,
good defense attorneys and I don't know who represented him.
I'm assuming he had good counsel.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
They just try to pick it apart. But I don't
see that thing getting overturned on appeal. I really don't
just the bla the blatantness of it, the brazenness of
that one.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
That's one for the books, just.

Speaker 8 (33:56):
To dove tell that same subject missed the householder. You
don't think he would buy himself.

Speaker 9 (34:01):
I wonder how how.

Speaker 8 (34:02):
Much of that, the good things he did, got passed
around there. Yeah, Columbus, Well, there were a lot of
people took advantage of that.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
There were others convicted as well. Matt Borges was one,
and there was also one a high powered lobbyist whose
name just escapes me at the time, who tragically committed
suicide over it. So yeah, he wasn't the only one
that suffered, but he was the ringleader and he got
zapped pretty bad. I don't think mister Borges got anything

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close to the sentence that that householder did.

Speaker 8 (34:40):
Was your twenty years household.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Something like I think it is twenty years.

Speaker 8 (34:43):
Yeah, you know, no one of these. If that was me,
I'd be trying to appeal at too.

Speaker 9 (34:48):
You know, yeah, you know, literally.

Speaker 8 (34:50):
Got his hand got caught the cookie jaw. I'll still
be trying to get an appeal, you know.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
You know, I mean that's like that whole thing.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
It was like nineteen thirty ninety teen twenties politics, just
a blatant, brazen attacked successfully until he got caught. Millions
of dollars for that too, for that energy company.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
And man.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, and there's a I think there's a book that's
been written about it. I read a long, long article
a couple of years ago about it. It's it's really
something to see and to hear about and kind of
watch it unfold.

Speaker 7 (35:26):
Now.

Speaker 8 (35:26):
Well, and my other topic was education, Yes, sir, well,
I kind of guess you know. I went, I'm gonna
use the alumnus engineer and alumnus okay, and I've got
a lot of complaints there. Uh now, no, I'm not
gonna buoy him engine in. But there's a lot of
other majors where these college kids, college kids like us,

(35:46):
We went in there and spent tens of thousands of
dollars knowing you're gonna give a good job.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Ball of me in.

Speaker 8 (35:53):
Yeah, sometimes those good jobs don't show up. You know,
I'm saying, no worries is there's some corruption going over there.
I mean, there's a lot of pipelining going on there.
Even with those they PCU, there's a lot of pipelining
going on.

Speaker 6 (36:05):
So so a lot.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Of people.

Speaker 8 (36:09):
They'll pay you money on the front end, you know,
and you know, just so they could get your started
in there. Sit on the back of here and you
think you're going to make you know, I'll make here
and you look nothing there?

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Now?

Speaker 8 (36:24):
Is there some corruption going on?

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Our higher education system is a mess? Rick, I'm out
of town, man. I'm bumping up against the news. But
I really appreciate the call. Okay, thank you.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
All right, Yeah, I am bumping up against the news.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
When we get back, we're going to talk to attorney
James Bogan. He is going to tell a tragic tale
of a twenty year old person who got the transition
surgery and very very quickly thereafter determined that it was
not a good thing. And it's just a sad story.
And James will laying out when we get back. Allen

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seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Do want to be an American idiot?

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Hey, we're back, Mike Allen in for Scott Sloan on
New Year's Day, twenty twenty six. Well, I'll tell you
what this last year just flew by. It really did well.
I'll tell you Our next guest, James Bogan, Attorney James
Bogan and also podcaster, has a sad story to tell

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us about the whole transitioning thing that all took place
in the year twenty twenty five. James, can you kind
of kick it off here by telling us about this situation,
the name and what it involves and everything else.

Speaker 10 (37:47):
Yes, you saw.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
The Department of Health and Human Services have a recent
announcement for regulations to end sex change procedures on minors,
pursuing the Trump's executive order right from last year, and
this twenty one d trans year old d transition named
Chloe Cole was at the center of this, and in
twenty twenty three she filed a lawsuit against various hospitals

(38:14):
for pushing her into getting these procedures done between the
ages of twelve and sixteen. I mean, she was a
tomboy and these doctors just pushed her straight into these
procedures because you know how, back when I was growing up,
when I first started hearing about adults getting these kinds

(38:37):
of procedures done, they would have to live for a
year or so as the opposite gender before even getting hormones.
And now with minors, for some reason, you have these
activist doctors who like to push them right in the
hormones after like a thirty minute meeting or something like that.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
And Jamie, I mean that's been an ongoing problem throughout
the country until President Trump's in and kind of dropped
a hammer.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Is that accurate?

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Yeah, he only banned his executive order only affects hospitals
and medical facilities that receive federal funds, this Department of
Health and Human Services stuff. But I think goes further
than that. Obviously I need to look at it more,
but basically what happened here is when this ms Cole

(39:26):
was showing signs of being a tomboy, her doctors didn't
share the risks only how did the benefits. I say
this in quotes of stopping female puberty and using testosterone
and these. I mean, these doctors just completely, you know,

(39:48):
fast tracked her onto this stuff like they do in
a lot of other cases. And her parents they felt trapped, right,
you were basically told by the doctors she's going to
commit suicide, and and she feels her parents were forced
to make this decision under duress. I mean, as far
as the suicide part you saw from the cast report,

(40:09):
the peopril that came out in April twenty twenty four
out of the UK, a three hundred and eighty eight
page report that basically debunked all these ideas that are
pushed by doctors and said no one under eighteen should
get hormones and great cautions should be exercise of patients
under twenty five. And then there was that ten million
dollars study out of the children's hospital in LA that

(40:33):
showed that puberty blockers don't improve kids' mental health. That
was the one where the doctor in charge of it,
in October of twenty three came under fire for refusing
to publish the study because I don't want these findings politicized.
It's like, no, this is just facts, right, not conjecture.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Well, anytime you do something on that the left doesn't like,
no matter what it is, I'll say, well, you're just
using this for political purposes. I think you and I
talked a while back too, James. There was a Dutch study,
a fifteen year Dutch study that confirmed transgenderism that something
that I think we all understood, transgenderism among children is

(41:18):
largely a fad, And it would seem to me that
anyone with any common sense could have figured that out.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Yeah, that study basically showed that once they're pasted the
years of puberty, they get over it large statistically, I
mean that statistics, not just some stuff coming from the
MAGA crowd and quite frankly from the Dutch. They're not
exactly the most conservative boundary. So when you have these

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European countries, all of them are way more liberal than
the US coming out with these findings, that should make
you think of it.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
You would, yeah, and exactly, but apparently they're not. And
you know in theory that you gave me and you
did mention the parents, you know, they do say now
that they were worried about the suicide thing, But I
don't know. I mean, it seems to me if my
child came to me with, you know, this kind of question,

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I would do a little bit more than shrug my shoulders,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Yeah, And the thing is now, Chloe Cole is dealing
with numerous complications from all these procedures, I mean, the medications,
the surgeries. Doesn't know if she's going to be able
to have kids or breastfeed, and some of the breast
reconstruction she had has failed, so she has to wear

(42:43):
bandages on her chest every day, she had to get
skin grafts done on her chest.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, as a direct quote from her quote as an adult,
I am now grieving, and on top of that, the
I'm batch this the area oler skin graphs they use
in my surgery began to fail two years afterwards. Like
you just say, James, she says, and this is her speaking,
I must wear badges on my chest, a bandages on

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my chest every day. And what a sad, sad situation.
And you know how old was she when she started
this whole process?

Speaker 6 (43:21):
Twelve?

Speaker 4 (43:23):
What that hell can sixteenth? And the thing is, there
have been absolutely no studies about the long term safety
of blockers and hormones, so anyone who says they've been
proven safe is lying.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Well she's got another quote here, James, and you touched
on this again.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
This is MS Cole. I'm quoting her for betimere.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
My legal guardians were forced to make this decision, meaning
I guess her parents under duress.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
She shared that in a previous statement.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Goes on to further say, quote, but even if my
parents had supported transitioning medically from start, no parent or
adult ultimately has a right to determine whether a child
gets to be chemically sterilized or mutilated. A pretty self
evident statement in and of itself, wouldn't you say?

Speaker 5 (44:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (44:15):
And that's coming straight from the person right all this
stuff was done to I mean, how many of these
people are being silenced by the left just so they
can push their agenda. Oh, let's just sweep this under.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
The rug, right right, Well, you know, and you've been
talking about this for a long time. You and I
have been talking about it for a long time. I
ask you this question just about every time we talk.
Do you see this thing kind of going in the
other direction, where, in addition to the President's executive water
other things you correct me if I'm wrong, other things

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are happening to put a stop to this just cruel
and brutal procedure.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
Yeah, I see this between Aside from the government regulation,
we're seeing these de transitional lawsuits. And right now, some
of these lawsuits are hitting a brick wall with statue
of limitations with because it's the courts are considering them
medical malpractice. You'll probably guess what leading those judges have.

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And the thing is, you've got fraud in here. Too,
it's not just medical malpractice. And there's a push in
a number of states to limit this, to expand the
statute of limitations to as long as thirty years past
the patient's birthday. And in September in Congress there is

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a bill introduced called the Victims of Chemical or Surgical
Mutilation Act, which expands it to twenty five years, and
it would ban medical professionals from performing these procedures on
kids and create a civil right of action for detransitioners.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Well, I'll tell you what it sounds like.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
It's certainly needed, and you know, just looking at it
here there was a quote from miss Cole that I
thought was very very appropriate and just kind of put
the put the whole thing in a good, a good light,
and it was a quote about pretty much hate we are.
I'm trying to find her here, James, that, oh, here,

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it is what she needed, This is miss Cole. What
she needed. Cole said was to be loved and affirmed
for the way God created her as a young and
yet tom boyish little girl.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Now growing up.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
I'm sure I got a few years on you, James,
but we've both seen, you know, girls that were tomboys
that doesn't mean you rip their bodies apart and you know,
detransition them.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
It's just a very very sad story.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
And you know, as you just pointed out, there are
things that are in process to try to put a
stop to it. We got some time left here. I
did want to ask you though about another case, Clementine Brain,
who I think she got involved in this stuff at eleven,
she's now twenty one.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
Did you tell us about that story?

Speaker 11 (47:06):
Yeah, she was actually her.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
The doctor who did this same stuff to her was
the doctor behind that children's hospital study in LA that
I mentioned a couple minutes ago.

Speaker 6 (47:20):
And you know, the.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Doctor falsely claimed the Breeden's parents that Breen would commit suicide,
express suicidal thoughts, falsely claimed she had a male identity
since childhood, when in reality she had just started having
those thoughts months prior to treatment, and there was nothing
in the doctor's notes about suicidal thoughts. I mean those
obviously doctors are trained to write that stuff down if

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it's happening, right right, they have to and right now.
This is one of those cases that was dismissed for
under statute of limitations grounds for medical malpractice by likely
activist judges. I mean, this is in California state courts,
so you know how that's going right right now, it's

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under appeal. But that's where the stuff about expanding statute
of limitations comes into play as well.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Sure, well, you know, as I said, with this young
person at eleven, the notes indicate she found solace in
the transgender activist community on Tumblr and thought, quote, this
is going to fix me.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Well, I mean obviously it was actually is a bel
ayala oh that was her Okay, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
But now another case that we had discussed before, same
kind of thing though, and you have the same age
range here where Breen was prescribed blockers at twelve, hormones
at thirteen, double mistectomy at fourteen.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah, and you, you and I have talked a number
of times about the Cash report again coming out of
the UK, the UK's National Health Service wreck commended no
one under eighteen and you've already said this today, no
one under eighteen get hormone drugs and that quote great
caution should be exercised with patients under twenty five. Experts

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in parentheses, experts are still pushing not just hormones, but
surgery for kids experiencing gender dysphoria. Do you see anything
in the works James Bogan on the lines of the
Cast report from the UK in this country. I mean
people are aware of the problem, but anything similar to

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the Cash report being worked on here.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
It's going to take laws to do it. Because the
medical those medical groups, they are determined not to clean
up their own act. I mean the American Academy of
Pediatrics as being the one of the big culprits. I
mean they sit there and push every left wing cause

(49:58):
they can, right. I mean, they push this sex changes
on kids stuff, They push gun control, Obamacare, they push
vaccine mandates, mask mandates, closing schools during COVID. It was
just like any kind of far left thing they can
latch onto they do. They're so politicized. That's where you

(50:21):
need laws being passed. But hey, doctors, you're not going
to clean up your own house. We're going to do
it for you.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Yep. Yeah, I mean that's the way it's gotta be.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
They obviously are more not all, but many doctors in
this situation are more concerned about their political beliefs than
they are the health and safety of a young person,
you know. I mean sometimes I'm accused of thinking too basically,
but it's God made you one or the other, you know,
and all this stuff that trying to change it because

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somebody feels bad or they think they might commit suicide.
Now you correct me if I'm wrong, James. Those suicide
claims are way way overblown, are they not?

Speaker 3 (51:04):
Is that?

Speaker 6 (51:04):
What?

Speaker 4 (51:04):
Yeah? There you just by the cast report. Yeah, And
you know the thing is, I don't care if an
adult wants to do it, if they, you know, go
through the whole long process that you know I mentioned
the top of this segment. But when you push kids
into it and make them make permanent decisions before their

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brains are fully developed and fast tracked, and that too,
I mean what I mean, how do alarm bells not
go off with a normal person? The thing with doctors
who do have reservations about this, they're afraid to speak
out because they don't want to be ostracized professionally.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Yep, and you know you would.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Well, there are obviously, and you've discovered them, some in
the medical profession who understand that this whole deal, this
whole procedure is fraught with problems. And are those doctors
speaking up because a lot of times people with a
more concern of an event if they happen to be
in a liberal profession, they're they're kind of they're reluctant

(52:06):
to come forward. Are you seeing, at least in the
United States, more doctors coming forward and saying and psychologists saying, hey,
wait a minute, people, this is bad news.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
We shouldn't be doing this.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
You're starting to see it come out.

Speaker 9 (52:20):
It doesn't seem.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Overwhelming right now. I mean, of course, I wonder how
much of that is from the media, you know, keeping
that trying to keep that the lid on that, you know,
how they keep the lid on everything that's not liberal.
But yeah, you're starting to see that. And I think
this whole this, this whole stuff about kids sex changes

(52:44):
is probably one of the things that caused the Democrats
to lose so badly in twenty twenty ten. That was
the silent that was the silent majority stepping up.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Yep, you're right, and the same thing.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
And you've researched and spoke extensively about men in women's sports.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
An eighty twenty issue.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
I mean, if eighty percent of the country opposes that,
why are we still dealing with I guess I'll just
have to ask that rhetorically.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
Hey see, Igury Tower Liberals.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Hey, before we go, I want you to tell everyone
about your podcast, what it's about, and where they can
hear it.

Speaker 9 (53:23):
It's past the clock.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
You can hear out on iHeart, Apple and Spotify. It
generally comes out bi weekly, and I discuss, you know,
a lot of the same kinds of topics that I
do on the radio. I also but for my last
two segments, I decided to focus on fun topics because
the holiday season of pro wrestling in the gym and

(53:45):
the fitness for beginners. But you can find an Apple,
I iHeart and Spotify and and you know it's it's
something that's I've been learning a lot doing it.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
I'll tell you I've listened to it. It's a great podcast.
I would recommend it. James, thanks so much for sharing
your time on New Year's Day. We really appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
Thank you, Mike always a privileged Happy New Year, and
congratulations on your grandag Thank you.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Thanks a lot, James. I appreciate that. All right, that
was James Bogan, you know what I mean. I'm glad
he's staying on this subject and he has for a
long time and hopefully, hopefully it's turning around. Hey, we
got to take a break. Button we get back. Let's
go back to the phone. Seven point nine, seven thousand, one,
eight hundred. The big one are the numbers, and you

(54:36):
can talk about anything you want, but we'll be back
in just a little bit. Mike Allen Saturday, excuse me,
in for Sloaney, seven hundred WLW. They were back Mike
Allen in for Sloaney on New Year's Day, seven hundred WLW.

(54:57):
Be back tomorrow as well for Sloaney, and then of
course Saturday morning for Saturday midday. You know, we're taking
a look back at the year twenty twenty five, any
number of classifications. I guess you could say sports, news, politics.
Wanted to look at music, and I think maybe a
good way to do that would be to see the

(55:18):
inductees in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for
twenty twenty five. And it's interesting. It's an interesting class
I don't know if any of you have ever been
up to see that in Cleveland. My goodness, for me,
it's probably been ten fifteen years. But it is something else,
I mean, and it's probably even better now, if you
want to go up there, if you do that, just plan.

(55:40):
If you want to look at all of it and
do it right, takes you at least a day to
do it. But if you are a rock and roll fan,
it is really interesting. However, the people that they admit
into it many times, in my opinion at least, don't
have anything to do with rock and roll. I guess

(56:01):
the deal is. I mean, they've been around for a
long long time, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Maybe they run out of people.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
But anyway, here are the people and groups that were
voted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and
were inducted.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
I think it was in November, all right.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Number One Outcast American rap duo that began in the
nineteen nineties Key Songs, Hey Yeah, Ms Jackson and Roses.
I'll be honest with you, I've heard of Outcast. I
couldn't tell you anything about them.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
I've probably heard some of their stuff, not knowing that
I've heard it, but and obviously they're good at what
they do. But I just I don't know what it
has to do with rock and roll. Okay, here's one
you don't have to ask if this group is about
rock and roll. It is Bad Company, It's a British
rock band. It was formed, Oh jeez, I think like

(56:58):
in the mid eighties some huge, huge hits feel like
Making Love, Can't Get Enough and Bad Company, and I
think they're still touring. They were inducted by Mick Fleetwood.
Bad Company drummer Simon Kirk was joined by Nancy Wilson
of Heart and Joe Perry of Aerosmith on guitars, and

(57:21):
The Black Crows lead singer Chris Robinson was on vocal.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Here's another one. And I heard somebody this morning.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
I can't remember who it was talking about this Cindy
Lauper who you know. I mean, she's pleasant. I like her,
arguably not real rock and roll, but she was inducted.
Her solo career began in the early eighties key songs
girls just want to have Fun, time after time, true colors,

(57:50):
remember all three of those songs. She was inducted by
Chappelle Rohan ro o An not familiar with that person.
She performed a edley of her hits, including duets with
Avril Levine, Ray and Say That Again, Dave for Me
Avril Levine. See I told you man, if it wasn't, Oh, okay, okay,

(58:16):
all right, let's move on here.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Soundgarden again. Not too sure about them.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Don't know who they are, American rock band formed in
eighty four. Key songs black Hole, sun Fell on Black Days,
and Outshined. Don't know anything about them. They were inducted
by Jim Carrey, who is a big time ignorant liberal.
Excuse me, but that's just my opinion. And then Salt

(58:43):
and Peppa. It's a rap group from the eighties. They
had some hits, but once again, don't know how it
relates to rock and rolling. Hey, you know, I'm definitely
into an up four being corrected or explained to on
all of this. If you want to Chubby Checker, here
we are. Now, We're where we need to be with

(59:04):
respect to rock and roll. Of course, he released records
in the fifties. The big ones were the Twist, Let's
Twist again like we did last Summer and Limbo Rock,
and up until a few years ago he was still
touring and mad. He was still belting it out too,
and really, I mean, you know you can argue that, hey,
he's not on the level with you know, Chuck Berry,

(59:27):
Cherry Lee, Lewis, Elvison most people, but had a big
influence on rock and roll. And you know he he
introduced people to the Twist, which was a big, big deal.
Now there's a little bit of a local connection here.
There was a fellow that recorded the Twist before he did,

(59:50):
Hank Ballard, and I think he recorded that in the
studios out there in Evanston King King Records, and it
was good. Frankly, I like his version better than Chubby Checkers.
They're pretty close though, But anyway, he didn't Hank Bauer
didn't do real well with it. Chubby Checker did. He

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made a career out of it, but just kind of
an interesting thing. Okay, rock and roll all the way here.
Joe Cocker release records in the sixties. Died in twenty fourteen.
You Are So Beautiful, which was really kind of out
of his style, but he did a good job with
it up where we belong and with a little help

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for my Friend's Beatles song, I think that was probably
his biggest hit, so very appropriate in my humble opinion.
The next group is the White Stripes. Again, I'm sorry,
I don't know a lot about them.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
What did they do?

Speaker 7 (01:00:47):
Dave?

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Help me?

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Okay, he's gonna find something for me. They began in
the nineteen nineties key song seven Nation Army, We're.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Going to be here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Yeah, you're right, I recognize him right out the bag said,
if you watch Ohio State games, you know this song.
That's probably where I know it from. All Right, thanks
for the assist on that, Dave, I really I appreciate that.
Warren Zevon. Now, this guy's way kind of out there,

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but I like his stuff. He's a singer songwriter American.
He began releasing solo records in the early seventies. He
died in two thousand and three. Key Songs. This one's
right up my alley. Key Songs, Lawyers, Guns and Money.
But my favorite is it's just a really goofy song

(01:01:42):
that I think is cool, The Werewolves of London really
a weird but really kind of a cool song. I
think he was inducted by another big time lib David Letterman,
who's got the Santa Claus beard. Now, okay, here's the
last one, and this one I think is extremely appropriate.
And I'm going to say the name, and I'll bet

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you most of you won't even recognize it. Carol Kay Kaye,
not Carol King. Carol kay She was a session musician,
obviously a woman. She played on all kinds of rock
hits and I think some Sinatra Perry Como stuff. She
was a part of a thing called the Wrecking Crew,

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like the Beach Boys. For example, she was on Good Vibrations.
The Beach Boys. They were known for their harmonies. Of course,
Brian Wilson a musical genius in my humble opinion, on
the lines of Mozart and Beethoven. However, they weren't the
best on their instruments, although let's see, probably I would

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say Carl Wilson was pretty good guitar player. But anyway,
they used a lot of these groups. Beach Boys are one.
When they made it big, they'd get in the studio,
they'd do the vocals, and then the Wrecking Crew, who
Carol kay was a part of, they would do the
instruments and it came out real good. Anyway, Her key

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song's Good Vibrations, which arguably least one or two top
two rock and roll hits of all time. Nancy Sinatra,
these boots were way made for walking well, I'll.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
I had a thing for her when I was a kid,
and Barbara streisand's the way we were. So anyway, that's
your twenty twenty five class in the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame. Some had scratchers there for me, maybe
not for you guys. You know, Well, we'll see who
gets in next year. Hey, let's take a break and

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we'll come back. Oh, we got some calls here. We'll
come back with calls. Mike Allen in for Sloaney seven
hundred WLW.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
What two three.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Because he loved so Oh my sir, Hey, we're back.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
We are back with Outcast, one of the inductees in
the twenty twenty five Hall of Fame class. And I
do recognize that song. No, I've heard it a few times. Hey,
A lot of people want to talk about this, so
we are going to do so. But I just wanted
to give you an idea. First nineteen eighty six, the

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first class listening to these legends, Chuck Berry, James Brown, Ray, Charles,
Sam Cook, Fats Domino, Phil and Don, the Everly Brothers,
Buddy Holly, Jered, Lee Lewis, Little Richard Boy. There's two
wild men right there. The King Elvis Presley, the Coasters,
Eddie Cochran. Boy he was a badass back in the day.
Bo Diddley, who's got his own beat, and boy he

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was still performing I think up until a few years back.
Aretha Franklin, Marvin Gabe, Bill Haley, of course Bill Haley
in the comments, early early rocker, and BB King. So
I'm sure as the years went by, you know, they
ran out of the people that started rock and roll. So,
you know, I have to admit my my tastes are

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not as everyone's are, but it is what it is. Hey,
let's talk about it. Let's talk to Eric in col Raine. Hey,
good morning Eric.

Speaker 11 (01:05:22):
Hey, good morning Mike. Happy New year too.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
You too, man, what you got.

Speaker 7 (01:05:27):
Hey?

Speaker 12 (01:05:28):
Yeah, so you know a little a little younger than
you So yeah, all those people you're listed, uh listing
off there, you know, definitely grew up with a lot
of that.

Speaker 11 (01:05:37):
Sure, especially with with with Outcast.

Speaker 12 (01:05:40):
Now, I know it's rock and roll Hall of Fame,
and but we should have looked at rock and roll
as just one thing.

Speaker 11 (01:05:46):
You know, it's kind of more like a music hall
of fame.

Speaker 12 (01:05:49):
True, with Outcast and uh, you know the style of
rap and hip hop that they made, especially in like
the mid to late nineties or two thousands, because really
that hey Ya song was I mean they've been out
for ten to fifteen years before that song Kit came
out and really them again, you know yeah, and uh,

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you know a lot of their early stuff and what's
great about and what I like about it is.

Speaker 11 (01:06:17):
That, you know, the the lyrics, the message uh in
their music.

Speaker 12 (01:06:23):
It's not like the mainstream hip hop and rap that
we get these days, where it's like if you're not
talking about killing somebody, if you're not talking about degrading
women or doing drugs, you know, like you're never gonna.

Speaker 11 (01:06:36):
Get any plays.

Speaker 12 (01:06:37):
And they really kind of talked about the struggle of
you know, growing up in Atlanta, being around that environment,
but you know, elevating themselves to get out of it
and kind of putting.

Speaker 11 (01:06:50):
More of like a real life.

Speaker 12 (01:06:53):
You know, you know, right like with Miss Jackson, you know,
having a kid when you're young and you're in you know,
your your baby's mama's mama is upset with you, thinks
you're a bad person, just you know, and just kind
of putting those emotions and those things out there. Uh,
you know that everyday stuff that that people go through,
you know, right. So yeah, so I think they're definitely

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rightfully deserved to be up there. Andre three thousand and
big Boy.

Speaker 7 (01:07:22):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (01:07:22):
Some of the best lyricists. Uh. If you ever want to.

Speaker 12 (01:07:26):
Go down that rabbit hole of out cast music, you
start off with Southern playlistic Cadillac music and just kind
of go from there. And and yeah, just just give
them a listen. They got a nice funk to them,
like like the music is funky, uh to go with
the hip hop and everything. So yeah, I think they
definitely deserve those flowers.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
You know, great, great call, Eric, I appreciate it, and
I did recognize that tune right off the bat, but hey,
thanks for weighing in. I really appreciate it. Okay, let's
talk to Let's talk to Dan in Chevois, Ohio. He
wants to talk about Sound Garden. Good morning, Dan, what
you got.

Speaker 10 (01:08:07):
Well, my favorite out of that list is Warren Zevon.
But yeah, they're that like early like that grunge like
Nirvana types sound with the distorted like glow grunty voice,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
Talking about right right?

Speaker 10 (01:08:19):
Yeah, yeah, Black Hole song has this part where he
goes like a distorted voice right while. I saw Peter
Frampton at the Blue Ash Fireworks and he covered it
and that little palp talk fox voice that he like
did with his do you feel like we do?

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:08:36):
Yeah, Like he.

Speaker 10 (01:08:37):
Covered this grunge song as his exit, as his encore.
You know he did like the he did like his
voicebox with like that nineties grunge.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Is that what they called out? They call out a voicebox.
I know exactly what you mean with him and the
Blue Ash show. It's it's uh, it's a pretty big thing.
But man, you think about it, that guy Frampton, I mean,
he was on top of the world. I guess it
was late seventies, early eighties. I think he had close
to the biggest seller of all time, at least the album.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
And the women loved him. He was a good looking
guy and every and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
For a while he married a Cincinnati girl, lived out
in Indian Hill. I don't think he does it no more.

Speaker 10 (01:09:18):
But not anymore.

Speaker 6 (01:09:20):
But yeah, he liked it so much.

Speaker 10 (01:09:21):
He covered it and he did a great job at it.
And you probably know some Soundgarden if you heard it,
it's the same same deal. I'm gonna shout out to
Warren Zevon. My favorite Warren Zevon song is the actually
a country song called hard X Spoken here and he
has Dwight Yoak come as his backup vocals on it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Oh man, I'm gonna check that out. Hey, thanks a lot.
I appreciate the call. I love Warren Zevon. Yeah, I mean, okay,
we're gonna hear some sound right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
You know, Dave.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
That sounds a little bit like led Zeppelin to me.
And this is sound guard.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
What's the name of it? Spoon Man?

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
All right, thank you very much, David. Let's see we
got time for at least one more. How about Mike
in West Lafayette. Hey, how you doing, Mike? What you
got for him?

Speaker 9 (01:10:16):
Hey?

Speaker 11 (01:10:17):
Hey, good Mike. Hey, I'm a big fan of the
band Fish. pH h.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Yes.

Speaker 11 (01:10:22):
When they when they nominated all the guy the bands
for this year, Fish ended up with fifty thousand more
votes than Bad Company and whoever the Tough was, and
they didn't get in. Yeah, really I'm amazed. I mean
I saw him. I haven't been to too many shows
outside Indiana, but we saw him in New York. They

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did thirteen shows in a row at Madison Square Garden
in seventeen and they just finished four nights, four shows,
all sold out at they do Madison Square Garden so
every Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
So you're saying, you're saying they were up for it
and didn't get in, And it brings up a good question.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Maybe you know, how are what is the vote? Who votes?
And who decides?

Speaker 11 (01:11:05):
If you know I voted, I mean I've voted several times.
There's nothing there. He said, you said that you couldn't
vote more than once, and they have a huge following,
and I'm absolutely certain that people voted many times. I'm
sure they've voted many times for all the ones that won. Right,
And these guys are Libs and they're from Vermont, and

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they're very they're very musical, and uh, I mean, there's
so much talent there and I'm still just really upset
that if they didn't get in.

Speaker 7 (01:11:38):
Yeah, it sounds next year.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
But it sounds like some polity.

Speaker 6 (01:11:42):
He let me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
Let me say this, Mike, if they don't get in
next year and there's cheating going on, I'll come out
of retirement and we will file a suit, lawsuit. How's
that sound they are going in? Okay? Okay, I thought
you said they didn't make it in.

Speaker 11 (01:11:59):
They didn't last I knew they didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Well, I'm being I'm being told. I'm being told. I'm
being told that they are. We will check it out.
We will check it out. I appreciate the call.

Speaker 11 (01:12:12):
All right, they were nominated.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
I know, Okay, thanks, all right, I'll go with Big Dave.
He said that they are in. Hey, just to look
at some of the other classes we did eighty six.
You know, I'm doing these old ones because they are
people that I recognize. Wait, man, eighty seven. I didn't
let many in at all. Clyde mcpatter, course of the Platters.

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H Rick Nelson, who I happen to believe is one
of the most underappreciated people in rock history, had all
those huge hits. He was a pretty boy uh back
in the fifties, but bounced back big time in the
late sixties with a song called Garden Party that he
wrote himself then then and nobody listened to it, but

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it was good stuff country rock.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
He got involved in country rock long.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Before some of the Eagles and some other ones did so. Anyway,
he got in Roy Orbison, Wow, I mean, you can't
say enough about him. Carl Perkins Smokey Robinson, Big Joe Turner,
Muddy Waters oh Man, and Jackie Wilson, great great great
singer tragically died on stage. I forget what year. And

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Elvis Presley was a good friend to his and Elvis helped.
He was in a coma for a long time. Elvis
helped with his medical bills. Last one I get to
talk about. I wish I could talk more. My favorite group,
the Beach Boys, the only group with number one hits
in five separate decades. Hey, we got to take a break.
But when we come back, we're playing politics and we

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are going to do that with Kevin Burton. We'll do
that when we get back. Mike Allen Infra Sloane seven
hundred WLW.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Do want to be an American idiot?

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
There's radio seven hundred WLW. Mike Allen in for Sloany
today and tomorrow. Well, I've been looking forward to this
all day. We did something similar to this yesterday. Kevin
Burton is an independent political analyst and political operative. If
you will, kind of a hired gun. You'll work for

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either one, and boy, you need that, I mean you
do to get some perspective. But what we have today
is the twenty twenty five End of Year Political Awards.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
Thank you so much Kevin for being a part of this.

Speaker 9 (01:14:36):
Thank you for having me. And Happy New Years everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
You too, You too? Okay, we're both going to participate
in this one. You know what I think we can do, Kevin,
We'll alternate as to who goes first.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
The award for Winner of the Year. Who do you have,
Kevin Burton?

Speaker 9 (01:14:56):
Are we doing national or local?

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
I did national, you can do local, do it, you know,
whatever you want.

Speaker 13 (01:15:03):
I actually have a hot take here. I'm actually gonna
say aftab the mayor. For all the negativity that everything happened,
he still got eighty percent of the vote. He got
all nine of his council elected. They just showed that
everything was chatter and that he has a political machine.

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So for all the noise and everything, he came out
stronger today.

Speaker 9 (01:15:29):
Than he was twelve months ago.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
You know, I have to reluctantly agree with you on that.
I mean, it was the results were pretty stunning. You've
been around long enough, Kevin that you don't really rack
up those kind of numbers, but he did. I get it,
and you know, I get reluctantly have to kind of
agree with you on that. You know, he got everything

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but the kitchen sink thrown at him and still did
pretty darn good for me. I went national on this,
and nobody will be surprised. Donald Trump the winner of
the year for obvious reasons. He took office this year
the most remarkable political comeback in political history, even rival

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rival ring if I don't know how to say it,
Richard Nixon in nineteen sixty eight. Nobody thought he was
coming back. He lost to Kennedy, then he lost the
sixty two governor's election. They had him buried and dead,
but he came back. But Trump, I mean, you look
at it. They threw everything but the kitchen sink at him,

(01:16:34):
law fair, lawsuits, allegations, everything, and he still won.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
So that's what I think. And what do you think
about that?

Speaker 13 (01:16:47):
I mean, he's still president. There's nothing stopping him as
of right now.

Speaker 6 (01:16:52):
And you know, it.

Speaker 13 (01:16:53):
Seems like ninety percent of the peace deal Zlansky just
said this morning. And if he gets that, that's a
huge win for Trump. You know, this all leads right
into twenty twenty six midterms, which is going to be
a battle.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Yep, no question about it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Twenty twenty five was a good year for the Democrats.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
I couldn't agree with you more.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Okay, moving right along here, loser of the year, I
will go first on that. Nah, this one was a
little bit difficult, but I got Kamala Harris in my
humble opinion. No business being vice president, she was a
DEI pick for that even more so, no business being
president of the United States, no ideas, independent ideas. You know,

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she would not let you know where she stood on
the issues she thought that would stand up, and not
able to string a sentence together. So and she's got
that annoying cackle. So that's my loser of the year.
How about you, Kevin.

Speaker 9 (01:17:54):
I'm gonna go with Andrew Como. Yeah, he lost.

Speaker 13 (01:17:58):
He lost, not once, but life burned kind of every
bridge that he ever had built and in a lot
of ways gave way to the next superstar in politics.

Speaker 9 (01:18:09):
So I'm gonna go with Andrew Como as the loser
of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Okay, do you see him running for any office in
the future.

Speaker 13 (01:18:18):
I mean, he's lost two elections in a row and
he had to resign from governor. That ship sailed, So
I think him and his twenty three sexual assault allegations
are over with.

Speaker 9 (01:18:33):
Well, I don't think he's coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
There will always be a place on CNN and MSNBC
now for people like that. Okay, the Worst Week in
Politics award. You get to go first on this one, Kevin.

Speaker 13 (01:18:48):
I mean, I think we have to go with what's
happening right now with Governor Wallas. I think that's been
the worst week nationally now. I mean, you're looking at
nine billion possibly fraud. The other one I would go
with is probably the Doge.

Speaker 9 (01:19:05):
When that happened. Those are probably the two worst weeks.
A lot of wasteful spending and just people are like,
what is going on?

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
The only thing and I got the same thing, Tim Wallas.
The only thing I'd posit with Doge. There is a
lot of money saved too, but boy Walts, it all
came crashing down for him just a couple of weeks
ago and really this week. So I've got him for
the Worst week ahead. Okay, this one, I like the WTF.

(01:19:34):
We all know what that means. WTF moment of the year.
What makes you? What made you say this can't be real? Okay,
my turn to go first. My recipient of that award
is the no one in particular, but that video that
the Democrats put out, the fighting video where you got

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all these I think it was all women.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
There might have been a thrown in there, you know the.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Video there they got their fish bawled up and they're
doing it to music. It was just it was cringe worthy.
That's my pick for the WTF moment of the year.
How about you.

Speaker 9 (01:20:15):
I'm gonna go with a funny one. I'm gonna go
with Curtis c While.

Speaker 13 (01:20:18):
I'm going back to the New York Mayor's race when
every time he got interviewed, he would just say he
was shot seven times in the back of his cab.

Speaker 9 (01:20:27):
It was always a good it was always a good chuckle.
So that's my Is this real? That's what I would
go with, curtse c Wall.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
That's pretty good. You know I follow that stuff and
I didn't even know that. Okay, this is a good
one too. The Overexposed Award. What issue or person did
we hear way too much about in the year twenty
twenty five? I think it's my turn to go first.
For me, it's Jimmy Kimmel, who cares about him? And

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really late night talk show hosts in general. I think
we heard way too much from them. If you go
back in history, Johnny Carson, the most popular talks late
night talk show host. You never knew what his politics were.
He'd hit hit a Democrat. One he basically stayed away
from politics, but he'd hit a Democrat, and then the

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next night he'd hit a Republican. So I think those
guys kime on the rest him way way over exposed.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
What say you, Kevin Burton?

Speaker 9 (01:21:28):
Oh this is this is a good one. Damn, I
can't think over exposed. I am going to go with
Thomas Massey, you know, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
I mean, well, he's from Kentucky, and you know about
Kentucky too.

Speaker 13 (01:21:49):
I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with that that,
you know, for being one of four hundred and thirty five,
we hear a lot from the congressman.

Speaker 9 (01:21:57):
So I'm gonna go with Thomas Massey as there exposed Award.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Okay, when we do a substantive session conversation, I'm gonna
ask you about that race too, because obviously Trump is
backing his opponent. I like this one too. This is
kind of a serious one. Under at least I took
it seriously under the radar winner. I have Marco Rubio,

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Secretary of State. You know, the guy's quiet gets the
job done. I think he is probably one of the
few in the Trump administration that even the mainstream media
seems to leave him alone. He secured the ceasefire in
the Middle East. He secured increased NATO commitment from their

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wallets the NATO countries other than US, I say, the
guys under the radar Marco Rubio. Many consider him potential
candidate for president in twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
So that's my pick. How about you?

Speaker 13 (01:22:57):
This might not be under the race our winner, but
it's definitely a winner of the year. You have to
go with Gavin Newsom for the simple fact that twelve
months ago he was a joking Democratic politics and now
he has gone to the front runner of being one
of the nominees.

Speaker 9 (01:23:14):
For the two major parties.

Speaker 13 (01:23:16):
So in a twelve month span, he went from he
looks like the American psycho character to being the only
person in the Democratic Party he was quote unquote stood
up to Trump with Prop fifty and things like that.
He's positioned himself probably the best out of any candidate
for twenty twenty eight outside of Jadie Vance.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
Now I hear you. I hear you on that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Kamala I think at most polls has a ten point
lead on him, but it's way way, way early. I
don't agree with anything he says or does, but I
think you're probably right on that one.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
This one I gotta take a powder on. I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
I couldn't think of anything most online, least real life.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
It's a great award, which.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Debate was bigger on social media than it is in reality.
I came up with nothing on that, Kevin. I hope
you ended up with somebody.

Speaker 13 (01:24:12):
I mean, unfortunately, it was what happened in Cincinnati.

Speaker 9 (01:24:15):
You talked about this before that.

Speaker 13 (01:24:18):
You know, there was a lot of chatter, but Democrats
still swept. There was really no change, and it was
all who just kind of hearsay.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Even though I didn't make a pick on that, I
can't argue with that. Again, as we talked about before,
it was good old fashioned butt whipping.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
Okay, moving right along here.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Buzzword of the year a phrase that politicians should retire immediately.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
I think I get to go first.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
I've got more than one on this reimagining. Anytime you
hear that negative connotations.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
In my humble opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Triggering same way, privilege, same way, probably the biggest one
food insecurity. I think we can do without all of
those phrases. What say you, Kevin, I'm.

Speaker 9 (01:25:10):
Gonna say the Deafa suit.

Speaker 13 (01:25:12):
We both parties make it up as they go. No
party really actually cares.

Speaker 9 (01:25:17):
The closest we got was Bill Clinton thirty years ago. Yep,
the deficit.

Speaker 13 (01:25:25):
Both parties use it as a punchline when they're you know,
not in the White House.

Speaker 9 (01:25:29):
So I'm gonna go with the deficit.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Yeah, I think that's a good one. And you know,
I know I got a few years on you. It's
gonna be long after I'm dead and gone, I think.
But at some point, at some point, we are going
to have to pay the piper on this one. And
you know, I worry about my kids and my kids'
kids on that because it's just it's not sustainable. At

(01:25:51):
some point we're gonna have to do something. I like
this one. Number nine.

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
I'm sorry you had something to say.

Speaker 9 (01:25:58):
Oh no, I totally agree. But you know, both both
parties will use the.

Speaker 13 (01:26:03):
Checkbook as much as they can, and when it's time
for the check to be due, they're usually out of office.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Yep, and there's going to be some pretty severe consequences
at some point on it. And again it is a
multi party problem. Okay, this is a good one. Thanksgiving
Table Band Award. Which topic should be banned from family dinners?
I think it might be my turn for me. It's

(01:26:31):
pretty simple, and then in some ways kind of live
in it. Any topic that touches on politics, period, period.
There's enough to discuss at the family dinner table, and
you can leave politics out of it because nine times
out of ten somebody's going to be pot What do you.

Speaker 9 (01:26:50):
Think I'm going to add religion to that? But yeah, yes, yeah,
you know, just enjoy.

Speaker 13 (01:26:56):
Time with your family because you don't know how long
you got.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
It ain't work, it's just not worth it. Okay. Last,
but not least, the Looking Ahead Award. What next year
would what next year will be? Will it be crazier
or just different than twenty twenty five? Your thoughts?

Speaker 13 (01:27:17):
I mean, I think it will be crazy because it's midterm,
but it's also the world we live in.

Speaker 9 (01:27:22):
Now, so in a lot of ways, kind of the
status quo.

Speaker 13 (01:27:25):
But just maybe you know, twenty twenty six edition, so
you know everyone is going to be riled up. Forty
nine point nine percent of the people will be mad.

Speaker 6 (01:27:39):
Yep, it is.

Speaker 9 (01:27:40):
It's just the way it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
And you know what, I kind of got the same thing.
I think it'll be just a little different twenty twenty eight.
On the other hand, that will be crazy. I mean,
who knows what you're going to get there and who
knows who you're going to get there. I think the
early betting would be on the Republican side. Vice President
jd Vance seems like he's kind of trying to clear

(01:28:05):
the field. Marco Rubio has been mentioned as well. Now,
I heard something a couple of weeks ago, Kevin. I
don't know where I heard it, but whatever, whoever or
wherever it was, it was someone or something with some
credibility that apparently the Vice President jd Vance and Marco
Rubio have made a deal that Marco would accept the

(01:28:29):
number two spot because he's young enough to at some
point run for president of the United States. I don't know,
I don't know. I do think if I had to
bet the ranch, it would be jd Vance and probably
Gavin Newsom for the Democrats.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
What do you think, I mean?

Speaker 9 (01:28:46):
I think if you asked me.

Speaker 13 (01:28:47):
Today, those would be the two people I would you
know better coke on and then from there, you know,
you're you have a fighter's chance of winning. So for Rubio,
you know, I want to make a lot of sense
to trying to primary jd Vance. So yeah, that that
rumor makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Yeah, you know, And I really do believe what I
said about Marco Rubio. Man, I was a little bit
dum sketching my head on the pick itself. But man,
he's applied himself to that job, doesn't say crazy things.
Trump really seems to respect him, He doesn't give him
any grief, and kind of stays out of his way.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
So that will be an interesting year. Okay, one last thing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
Are we going to have a Republican sweep of the
statewide offices in Ohio in twenty twenty six?

Speaker 9 (01:29:42):
Ooh, that is a great question.

Speaker 13 (01:29:47):
I think I'm actually you know, they hold all of
them now, it's a blue year.

Speaker 9 (01:29:55):
I think the Republicans they're going to be well funded.

Speaker 13 (01:29:59):
I think Governor and maybe some of the down ballots
like treasure would be the races to watch.

Speaker 9 (01:30:07):
I'm going to go that.

Speaker 13 (01:30:08):
I think Republicans out of the we'll lose one, yep, one.

Speaker 9 (01:30:13):
Of the five. I think Democrats will pick up one.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
It will be interesting. Kevin. I really appreciate your input.
This was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
If it's okay with you, I'd like to make this
an annual thing.

Speaker 9 (01:30:27):
I'm good with that. Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Okay, all right, we'll be talking. Thanks again, Kevin, Thanks Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Okay, Kevin Burton talking about both of us the End
of the Year Politics Award.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
It's kind of fun.

Speaker 5 (01:30:40):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
I'll tell you what that young man is keyed in.
Like I said, on both sides, he mentioned the situation
with Massey over in Kentucky. I think it was just yesterday,
the person who's announced that he's running against him in
the primary, that the president is backing again. I forget
his name. They're talking about that already. That will be

(01:31:03):
a fun one to watch. Hey, we're out of time
on this segment, but when we get back, we're gonna
get serious. For the last segment, we're going to talk
to jud Dunning about Israel and how we need moral
clarity on that issue. And boy, it's one that I
feel pretty strongly about. I think jud does as well.

(01:31:24):
So we'll do that when we get back Mike allen
In for Sloaney's seven hundred WLW eleven thirty seven News
Radio seven hundred WLW Mike allen In for Scott Sloan
on the first day of twenty twenty six. You know,

(01:31:48):
as we head into twenty twenty six under President Trump,
my next guest writes that we kind of have a
renewed America where moral clarity matters again. And you know,
this modern trend of fashionable bandwagon anti Semitism, which I
do not understand at all where that came from is

(01:32:11):
rooted in a dull haze of dangerous historical stupidity. Boy,
that is true and anti meritocratic delusion.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
Here to talk about it is mister Judd Dunning.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
He is a passionate and proud Los ANGELESO businessman, former
entertainer and politico since nineteen ninety three.

Speaker 3 (01:32:33):
He's the author of the new Newsmax book.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
And I'm going to get this thirteen and a half
reasons why not to be a liberal and how to
enlighten others?

Speaker 3 (01:32:46):
Here is jud Dunning.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
Jud thank you so much for taking time out of
your New Year's day to talk to us.

Speaker 7 (01:32:54):
What a better way to start to do than talking
about freedom and philosophy, religion, politics in life, a New
Year's Day, buddy, thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
It's my pleasure.

Speaker 4 (01:33:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
I'll just say right from the get go, I mean,
I've been around a while, but I do not understand.
I really don't have an understanding of why in the
year twenty twenty five now twenty twenty six, we are
dealing with anti Semitism in the United States of America.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
It absolutely floors me.

Speaker 7 (01:33:26):
Jud Yeah, it's very interesting, interesting time historically. There's actually
a lot of information here. And after I wrote this,
I'd say, one of the top one hundred rabbis in
the world like called me in.

Speaker 9 (01:33:39):
The middle of the night, provincial run me.

Speaker 7 (01:33:40):
So I'm going to talk about that, okay, because it's
very interesting. So, you know, we look at antha Semitism.
There's actually two forms, right. There's there's si era perpetuated
jew hatred, which is what the Arabs have adopted. Actually
that's just that's that's outright jew Anti Semitism means, you know,

(01:34:01):
anti Jewish. But really, if you look at it, where
did it start? It's it's we're all in this media
society moving quickly and people are reading things and they're
trusting what they're thinking, and there's no philosophical deep dive.
But is where does anti Semitism come from? Because in
the back in the period of Alexander Alexandria, Jews were
another group. There were other groups, but there were a

(01:34:22):
lot of other groups.

Speaker 9 (01:34:23):
It wasn't just them.

Speaker 7 (01:34:24):
They didn't carry the burden of the world through being
targeted for resentment, hate.

Speaker 9 (01:34:27):
And the you know, being willed to death.

Speaker 7 (01:34:30):
But where it came from, and American Christians to know this,
It actually came from John eight four four you are
the father of your devil. So it has a long
history of being reused begainst Jews and weekly you know,
and and we forget that it was perpetual, perpetuated by John.
Interesting about the disciples, right, if you really understand Christianity,
uh Jesus at the time, the disciples, if you take

(01:34:54):
a deep dive, like John was the one that was
Christ is Christ is God, and the other disciples were Jews, Like, hey, I.

Speaker 9 (01:35:00):
Don't care, He's amazing.

Speaker 7 (01:35:02):
We didn't have the Sharia laws split over a simple
you know, a theological theory. They were just glad to
have him. But John was very aggressive what he put
out there, you know about about the pasting, and so
that was that was adopted and used and brutalized and targeted. Now,
the main thing that people need to.

Speaker 9 (01:35:22):
Remember, right is did we evolve?

Speaker 7 (01:35:25):
And and the Church came out nostra tatte right in
October twenty eighth, nineteen sixty five. Is the Vatican two
not stunted six sixty two, And this is the Catholics
came out and said.

Speaker 4 (01:35:37):
We were wrong.

Speaker 9 (01:35:38):
We you know, there was a lot going on in
that era.

Speaker 7 (01:35:41):
You know, it wasn't simply the Jews that put Christ
down and then all stuff I can if I.

Speaker 9 (01:35:46):
Can give you a little.

Speaker 7 (01:35:47):
Bit more color for for our you know, for people
that know the Bible, Daniel and Adeta, Daniel and Zeta,
the prophetic text, well, how many people were claiming to
be Jesus.

Speaker 6 (01:35:56):
Of the era?

Speaker 9 (01:35:57):
Historian studies like.

Speaker 7 (01:35:58):
Twenty six people know, it was not an easy It
was not an easy time to go through that, and
history tends to be beaten up. And then so if
you go then so that existed, and that really occurred,
and it was dulled down and America was very theologically dogmatic,
black and white in the nineteen thirties, you know, but

(01:36:19):
Communism was in vogue, and so it was like extreme hardcore,
you know, tent talk Christianity, a lot of shame, you know,
a lot of a lot of beauty too, obviously, right, there's.

Speaker 9 (01:36:28):
Goodness in fighting the dark. But for as we moved.

Speaker 7 (01:36:32):
Forward and we got to you know, less educated people,
then we moved forward, we got to you know, the war,
the Holocaust, the Great Loss, and at that point, right.

Speaker 9 (01:36:43):
The Jews were put back.

Speaker 7 (01:36:46):
And then into you know, in nineteen forty eight, into
Israel at the time. There by the way, there technically
is no Palestine.

Speaker 9 (01:36:53):
There never was.

Speaker 7 (01:36:54):
It was a region like the Rockies, right, These were
Israeli Arabs and the era. So they went in and
they wanted to take over and you know, take back Israel.
And there was a shame in the Islamic world called
the nakba, and the noakma means catastrophe. So this is

(01:37:15):
it's commonly refers to the displaced in dispossession of Palestinians
in the nineteen forty eight War of Palestine. Right now,
the old generation saw it as the worst thing. They
were beat by shopkeepers and tailors that was a shame.
We were beaten by shop tate keepers and tailors and
is anti sensets in its own nature. Well, that generation

(01:37:35):
is dying. And there's what there's a lot of people
right now who are signing the Abraham Accords because they're
you know, resentful older Islamic, Muslim, Islam, Saudi Arabian, et cetera. Grandparents.
The generation is dying. You have a whole generation is dying,

(01:37:56):
dying off. So it's actually a lot of areas in
that area are calming down. But the the intelligence levels
and the training from the Nakba forward there they did
not adopt like biblical anti Semitism. The Middle East adopted
uh Middle East adopted the Nakba, which is and then

(01:38:18):
they adopted Hitler extermination.

Speaker 9 (01:38:22):
Propaganda and media.

Speaker 7 (01:38:23):
So if somebody is antisemic today, you have to separate it.
There was the original and the forgiven right, right, and
then like we were completely wrong. Pope was very clear
to the world and at that time and then over
here you have the Nakba, the catastrophy, and the Hitler extermination,
jew hatred that is from the Arabs, right, So if

(01:38:47):
you look at these sources and then you have this
other one that David Dennis Frager puts out there, and
I want to say, there's like a.

Speaker 9 (01:38:52):
Third point and then I'll come back.

Speaker 7 (01:38:54):
Sure, so on the on the third, But Dennis Fraker says,
we are hated because we are great. Well there, if
you look at the Jews are the chosen people, if
you actually the Torah, they were chosen to suffer the
refinement of the Ten Commandments. And this teaching in the
world Christ comes out and it goes viral for us Christians.

Speaker 9 (01:39:10):
You know, it's like Jesus.

Speaker 7 (01:39:12):
Went viral, you know, I mean took Judaism viral. I
go to both, by the way, I have Jewish kids,
and I go to the church.

Speaker 9 (01:39:19):
In both because that's their faith. So I go.

Speaker 7 (01:39:22):
I went to church and temple straight for twelve years.
So I understand the theories of all this. So this
anti Semitism is really a dull stupidity that came up
after Gaza that was hijacked by the left. Now interesting,
you know, the clans started by a bunch of Democrats
and mostly Scottish guys in Tennessee, right, and at some

(01:39:44):
point it's up to five million people in the United States.
We're in this horrible organization.

Speaker 9 (01:39:48):
Right, and now you have this post gaza.

Speaker 7 (01:39:52):
You know, liberal empathetic because war is hell.

Speaker 9 (01:39:56):
You have these people that are like.

Speaker 7 (01:39:57):
Oh, you know, I hate the Jews. Jews run Hollywood,
Jews run We'll talk about the Jews running Hollywood. I'm
gonna rest for a second. When did Stephen When did
Steven Spielberg start making movies?

Speaker 9 (01:40:06):
Eight?

Speaker 7 (01:40:07):
He worked his tail off American exceptionalism.

Speaker 3 (01:40:09):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:40:10):
You know why were Jews running Hollywood Because they were
in Vaudeville and the Polish hits Russian borders, and they
came over at the right time, and they put a
camera on Vaudeville.

Speaker 9 (01:40:19):
They were fundamentally here.

Speaker 7 (01:40:20):
At the intersection. That's why they're influential on holidays. The
answerdamte Semitism is oh, that's interesting, tell me the facts,
because if you start targeting people because they're excellent, it's
not even about that.

Speaker 9 (01:40:32):
It's either about the knocked.

Speaker 7 (01:40:33):
But the shame and the hitler like Jew hatred or
over here it's the Christian, the uneducated Christian christ phills
John Ate right, and both of them one is dying out,
the other.

Speaker 9 (01:40:46):
One has been forgiven.

Speaker 7 (01:40:47):
But liberals, the Corporatus media system, every ding after God
that they took God's Have you seen a lot of
pictures of Russia in Ukraine? No, that war is not
even being put in our face, even though there's a.

Speaker 9 (01:40:57):
Lot of horrible loss.

Speaker 5 (01:40:59):
Stay in a day out.

Speaker 7 (01:41:00):
Because it said the liberal machine, right, we saw the
horror of gods and gods.

Speaker 9 (01:41:05):
It was horrible, but it wasn't.

Speaker 7 (01:41:06):
It was just as bad as October seventh. And if
I lived in North Carolina and South Carolina came over
and did that to my family, there would not be
a South Carolina, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:41:16):
And that's that's what happened.

Speaker 7 (01:41:19):
And so they've weaponized this, I mean, and I gotta
tell you, like I've done the work to know, and
Americans have to do the work. Americans that heard this
this cast or here, you have to do the work
understand the Nakba and the Hitler like Jew hatred, which
is extermination of a race, because that's not anti Semitism,
that's moral inversion, that's killing people for your own agenda,

(01:41:42):
does not about the people. It's a projection, right. And
then over here is the you know, the knakma, that's
the stuff. And then there's this weaponized people and liberals
are the people that have run into this. They're using
they're you know, they're using like they use color, they
used trams, they used immigrants, They're using people that were
mostly affected by Gaza, and they stoke this day.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
You know, you know that brings up a question I
wanted to ask you. I mean, you got these kids
on the college campus. You see them carrying the Palestinian flag,
you see them carrying anti Semitic messages. I wonder, I mean,
are these young people being taught anything about the Holocaust?
Either grade school, high school, probably not a higher ed college.

(01:42:30):
It's just it doesn't and you're doing a great job
of explaining it. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
I just bought, and I can recommend to you or
anybody else a book by It's called Hostage by a
survivor of the recent hostage situation, Eli Sharabi, and what
they did to those people Hamas is just beyond belief

(01:42:55):
and to how can a young person, and this is
all pretty basic stuff, how can they buy into that?

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
I mean, it's just hard for me to wrap my
head around.

Speaker 7 (01:43:07):
Yeah, well, weaponized flip right, you know, there's four way
I always say this is four ways to attack somebody
in debate and right, it's like Trump is in vaccism, racism,
and climatism.

Speaker 6 (01:43:17):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:43:17):
And then you create shame, and.

Speaker 9 (01:43:18):
Then you create a dialogue.

Speaker 7 (01:43:20):
Then you hammer somebody with facts, you flip it over
and you move quick, and it doesn't matter whether right
or wrong. And that that's what's happened in media, not
talk radio like right now, you know TV, you you
can hammer people pretty quick.

Speaker 9 (01:43:33):
Radio you people have to think a little bit more.
But that's that's why I do it.

Speaker 7 (01:43:36):
That's why I thank you for fighting service to all
these good Americans. But I think the I think they're
just it's TikTok mentality, right. I mean you just get
information and it hits your heart, your emotion manipulated, and
you flip and scrolls the next thing, you know, get
back to your latte. And one of the facts, which
is interesting, I think those are like so October seventh

(01:43:58):
was twelve hundred pep on two hundred and fifty hostages and.

Speaker 9 (01:44:02):
We saw you know, rape, baby, beheading. It was as
dark as they got.

Speaker 3 (01:44:07):
It was.

Speaker 7 (01:44:08):
It was a celebratory execution. And then prior to that,
the thing other people forget there were more than nineteen
hundred rockets.

Speaker 9 (01:44:15):
That's my article prior to that.

Speaker 7 (01:44:19):
So you know, South Carolina has now lobbed nineteen thousand
rockets over the marl period of time, not only weeks
and months. And I've gone over to South Carolina. I'm
just using an analogy. Those are tuning in.

Speaker 9 (01:44:29):
I've got over to South Where are the world's moment?

Speaker 7 (01:44:33):
What is So they've launched nineteen thousand rockets besides October seventh,
and they've also killed fifty to twenty one civilians have
been murdered since in the area, and nine and thirty
four in October seventh. And so if you look at
the amount of attacks, the amount of and they've also

(01:44:55):
tried to make peace, like six or seven times in
Israel has incivility offered it And they even gave up
gods at one point, Right, I gave it to them.
Remember this, Everybody was freaked out. It's like, hey, they
gave them.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
That area, don't I don't think people realize that, Judge,
I mean, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 9 (01:45:14):
Is that interesting? People forget it?

Speaker 7 (01:45:15):
Like, wait a minute, it's two states, one state solution,
one stay solution. Well, wait a minute, they gave that
to them to give them peace, and people like, oh,
they just gave them some degerent lands.

Speaker 9 (01:45:24):
That's what do you mean Trump wants it?

Speaker 7 (01:45:28):
Yeah, yeah, And all that being said in a serious note,
So understanding what Anthise semintism is and that you're actually
adopting g hatred from the Nazis which had nothing to
do with the Bible really right, it was just you know, weaponized,
And then you're adopting this rage of shame from the
Middle East. And then you're deciding as judge and jury

(01:45:51):
what it's like for this you know, this people placed
by the UN, placed by the international after war through
collective agreement, and you're decide, you know, judging people and
then making simplest You know, it's interesting too because I
have a theory and my theory is also partially correct,
and Dennis talks about it. Why are you Why are

(01:46:11):
jew Is pretty exceptional? Why do they stand out? Well,
one of the Polish Yiddish things was really real. There
was a sense of humor of vieil was really right there.

Speaker 9 (01:46:18):
They came over at the right time.

Speaker 7 (01:46:20):
It's like in America and Los Angeles, Persians are really successful.
They came over nineteen seventy. I was money after the
earthquakes at the right time.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:46:29):
And they had money to move because.

Speaker 7 (01:46:30):
They were fleeing a democratic regime.

Speaker 9 (01:46:32):
And they had repressed capital. And they came in here
when Ali was super cheap.

Speaker 7 (01:46:36):
And there's some of the greatest owners in the area.
It's history, it's time. So there's always a reason behind
the excellence that people look deeper and so anti. My
article went into anti Semitism and anti excellence, so I was,
I said, and I quoted in there. You know the
the likes of the Bible, the ill go to. Sorry,
we can't close to buy I love it.

Speaker 9 (01:46:57):
I can't, I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
We only have about two minutes left too. Unfortunately, sure a.

Speaker 9 (01:47:02):
Great I'll give you this. Nor do people light a.

Speaker 7 (01:47:04):
Lamp and put it on their basket with on a
stand and it.

Speaker 9 (01:47:06):
Gives light to all the house in the same way, let.

Speaker 7 (01:47:08):
Your light shine before others, so that they may see
your good works and give glory to your father who
is in heaven, Matthew. And then Reagan said, I've spoken
of a.

Speaker 9 (01:47:16):
Shining city, politic city.

Speaker 7 (01:47:18):
Built lots stronger the emotions. So the point is is,
even if.

Speaker 9 (01:47:24):
There is envy.

Speaker 7 (01:47:26):
Really, what the American way calls us forward to is
to celebrate it. And they are really amazing and dynamic people.
They deserve to be respected. Anti Semitism deserves to be
shared and understood that it's proper level and it needs
to be stopped. And it's an honor and pleasure to
have this American conversation with you today, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
And you know what, I really appreciate it too. I
mean again, at my age and where I am in life.
It's the last thing I thought we would be dealing
with in this country.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
But we are.

Speaker 1 (01:47:58):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
I want to ask you, how do people the article
It's great standing with Israel, moral clarity in an age
of manufactured confusion, and I'm gonna get my hands on
thirteen and a half reasons why not to be a
liberal and how to enlighten others?

Speaker 3 (01:48:14):
How do people get a copy of that?

Speaker 9 (01:48:16):
Thank you so much?

Speaker 7 (01:48:17):
If you my name is jud Dunning, ju d D
D three d's two ends jud Dunning, Judd Dounting three
D two ends dot com. I mean on x is
the fastest way to get into my little universe, and
you can follow us at Newsmax. I have an article there,
just juddunning.

Speaker 9 (01:48:32):
Newsmax and follow our articles there.

Speaker 7 (01:48:35):
And this one you're going to get through XDO because
I do long form articles on a word press and
then you have to do about a thousand words for
the newspapers.

Speaker 9 (01:48:44):
So this is the long form one.

Speaker 7 (01:48:45):
But last point, I am rewriting it because I got
ripped on by the rabbi.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
Okay, all right, jud thank you so much. This has
been really informative. I appreciate it, and.

Speaker 7 (01:48:55):
You too, Thank you, sir.

Speaker 9 (01:48:56):
I have a great day, have you here, everybody?

Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
You too?

Speaker 2 (01:48:58):
Thanks jud All Right, man, I'll tell you what kind
of heavy stuff I guess for New Year's Day, but
stuff that needs to be said, and you know you
all are probably sick and tired of me saying it.
I just don't get it, and Judd has helped somewhat,
but I don't know. It needs to be stamped out

(01:49:19):
Anti Semitism period. All Right, we are out of here.
I want to thank my excellent producer, Dave Keaton. We'll
be back tomorrow. Mike Allen in for Slowe's seven hundred
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