10-23-25 Scott Sloan Show

Scott breaks down why people tend to video big fights instead of calling the cops like the on downtown with brain performance expert Leigh Richardson. Also retail expert Dominic Miserandino explains why the tariffs are doing more harm than good. Finally Jerry Rogers talks about how much waste, fraud, and abuse there really is in hospitals.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Don't want to be an American.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Got a new angle on the violence downtown. So you
go back to the brawl and late Jult we had
one person out of hundreds calling nine one one Fountain
Square shootings. We just had again a little number of
people calling nine one one inside of the business that
was shot up, and it begs the question why. From
the Brain Performance Center in Dallas, Lee Richardson is here.
Welcome back to the show.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
How are you, good morning, Thanks for having me back.
I'm doing well.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
You've seen the video. It's been national international news and
it's hard still kind of hard to watch too. And
regardless of who said what and what transpired, the fact
that only a couple people, maybe one or two people,
said hey, I better call the police is something I
don't think we've ever seen. I mean, it's a newer trend,
I suppose, but in our lifetimes, if you would have

(00:50):
said maybe ten or fifteen years ago, maybe five years ago,
that yeah, you'd have something like this and one person
will call nine one one, which means in the future,
I suppose maybe no one calls nine one. Maybe these
things happen and then we never hear about it because
no one thinks to call the police. The question for
someone like yourself is why how much of that as
social media.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
And COVID Well, I think that you know, anytime you've
seen a really intense event that triggers adrenaline in your body,
the drones they start kicking out all that corsal, and
that gives you a psych physiological rush, and you get
excited and you want to capture the moment. And I

(01:29):
think many people, honestly, social media plays into it because
they think if they get the shocking footage, that's going
to get them more likes, more shares, more comments on
social media and the thought of being the one who
got the video that activates the brain sop immine reward system.
It's just like when you win at cambling. I think

(01:52):
filming it can make you feel like you're doing something
without risking any personal safety as well. I did watched
the video Scott, and I couldn't believe it appeared that
people were cheering, almost cheering it on. You know, there
was no space. Everybody was crowding around and that certainly

(02:14):
escalate the intensity of it. And people pull out a
camera and cameras create an audience.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well, you maybe just think of this. Speaking of video.
This summer on vacation, did a bucket list trip to Australia.
It's beautiful. My wife wanted to do like a whale
watching crew. So you get on this boat and you
look for whales because whales go up and down the
Aussie coast. It's called the hump Back Highway, and so
this time of year especially get to see whales, which
you want to do, like, all right, I'll go check
some whales out, which sounds pretty good. And so we're

(02:45):
on this butat and it's interesting because every single person
for the entirety of the trip, as I look around,
is recording every little thing, holding the phone up to
their face and not actually looking at the whale. They're
looking at through a monitor. And there are a couple
of younger people who wanted nothing to do with well watching,
who were belong by their parents, as you typically have,
and they were in the boat inside on their phones
playing games in the middle of the ocean. So I

(03:07):
look at that and go what and this is before
all this happened too. I thought, it's very surreal that
we experience life through a viewfinder, and I think, lee
when you do that, it's not real if you're watching
a device. So what you see on your your viewfinder,
what you see on your camera or your phone is
not real. It's a it's a show, it's streaming, it's
a TV show. And so if you looked up in

(03:28):
a Wow, this is really happening. It's a much different
experience than looking through a little, you know, four inch
by two inch you finder.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
I can make really good points. God, I mean when
you're when you're in a spectator mindset and you're just
watching something. If you were there and maybe you would
have thought about being a help helper. No, you're just
part of an audience, and that makes it much easier
just to watch or film whatever it is rather than

(03:56):
act on it.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
That might explain why people are doing I think the
other element too, as everyone wants to be Insta famous
too and post these provocative videos, and the people who
posted the ones that caught on that we've all seen
now are getting all sorts of clicks and views and
subscribers maybe to their channel, even if that's nothing we're about.
And so that also feeds this too as well. We're
in the we're in the essentially the content creator phase.

(04:19):
Everyone's a content creator. Now that's a problem.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
That is a problem, and you know we have to remember,
especially at night, and when you add a little bit
of alcohol, it makes us feel more anonymous. It we'rewith
if we drop our inhibitions, and we also behavee more
impulsively and we lose empathy.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Brain Expertly Richardson on the Scotsland Show on seven hundred WLW,
we had the brawl over the summer and one person
out of hundreds called nine to one one. We saw,
well police respond pretty quickly what happened and just happened
on Fountain Square over the last couple of days, but
again an another low level of nine one one calls
because people are just rather recorded then do something about it.

(05:01):
And it has to do with obviously being a content creator,
but looking through your screen and not seeing things in
real life, being a spectator and not someone who's engaged.
How much do you think COVID has factor in this
as well? Is this still like we're seeing more of
the stuff because of COVID and how does that work
if so?

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Well, I think we're still on the aftermath of COVID,
and I think COVID left all of us with some
emotional trauma and that impacts our judgment, particularly late at
night with alcohol. But I think that we shut down
during COVID, and for some people that has maybe become
the default mode. They see something, it's intense, the I'm

(05:42):
not sure how to overreact. Then they see everybody, you know,
kind of encouraging it, and everybody pulls out their camera,
so that becomes the social norm. Oh, it's okay to
feel this, everybody else is. And I think that we
just we go more into the freeze date after COVID
than we did before.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
And of course now we have to talk about the
algorithms that encourage us going to be behavior to begin with,
and how much worse is it going to get? You know,
you want to think this has got to be bottomed,
but it's not. Probably, no, it's not.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
I mean, if you look at loneliness, loneliness is at
an all time high, and I think that that started
with COVID. We were forced to isolate. We didn't go
to school the same way, we didn't go to work,
we didn't go to church, we didn't go to gym
the same way. And for a lot of people that
had severe anxiety, it was very comforting, but that I

(06:37):
think for many people that just pushed them deeper into
their anxiety. And we've got to start to connect everybody wanted.
I think resilient is the foundation that we all stand on,
but that doesn't just mean cognitively that your brains can.
Emotionally you're you're able to control your emotions and socially

(07:00):
you feel connected. And I think that's one thing that
we're all we haven't really built back up. It's our resilience.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
How do you see this thing shaken out? I mean,
it's part of our culture, it's part of our fabric.
It's not going away. Do we just simply adapt? Do
we learn to we be able to back off and
understand that what the negative consequences of this life stilence?

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Well, you know it's really complex. Holly that took the
big punch in the face, someone started to go fundme
page for her, So we see an extreme of non
caring and then at the same time we see that
people do care. So I think that it all ties
into emotional balance and that we're still in that aftermath

(07:43):
coming out of COVID how to connect, how to react,
and we are still riding the roller coaster that fights
flight freeze, and I think until we can create more stabilization.
And that's mentally as well as physically. It's one unit
the brain and the body. It's one ning. The body
keeps score of everything going on the brain with the

(08:06):
Once we can calm that brain down and we can
all do that, we can work on that on our own.
There's no meditation. Breathing and making sure you get a
good night sleep, exercising the basics, eating healthy foods. I've
heard a term the neuroprotective diet. What you eat can

(08:27):
protect your brain.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
You know, we've also heard you mentioned meditation. All these
things which are much harder to do because you know
your dopamine recappers are going nuts. Anytime you look at
something online, you're being fed a steady dyet of that stuff,
and you know it all sounds well and good. You
have to be very, very proactive and saying, hey, listen,
I've got to balance out my digital lifestyle with real life.
Very very few people are going to do that simply

(08:50):
because you're not being rewarded as much as you are
when the algorithms do what they do and you're getting
that neural response.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Absolutely and alto neural to gendrite. Think're really confused. You
know that brain starts kicking out that dopamine, and that
confuses those neurons and gendrits. Instead of you know, I
like this, it turns into I want this, and then
it turns into I need this.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
It's interesting, I think also because you wonder how much
it's a cyclical behavior, is that we watch what happened,
people are all recording. No one's calling nine to one
one because they become spectators. It's become everything's a show.
Now everything is going meant to be put online, and
it's a performance in front of me. Despite the fact
that we've lost any sense of empathy, that we saw

(09:40):
people kicking folks when they're down, people normally don't act
like that. And I wonder how many people who are
caught up in this and who are going to be
charged and prosecuted and sentenced may have regret for the actions,
but look back and go, what the hell was I thinking?
I got swept up in a moment in the zeitgeist,
and now I'm paying a heavy prices. Well you should
for that kind of behavior. I don't think that's going
to cause anyone else to be interested back to go. Man,

(10:02):
Maybe you know what I maybe it's social media. Maybe
I need to quit recording everything and just live more life,
life as it's meant to be, and not document every
little mundane moment in life and live life in the moment.
But very few people are going to think like that.
I think that this has just encouraged more behavior. And
that's what happens, right is that doesn't this lead to

(10:23):
more impulsivity and normally public behaviors because you're hiding behind
that screen name where you'll go and attack people. You'll
get that dopamine spike and you'll have this heated argument
online or attack or dock somebody and it makes you
feel good, but you don't think that's a real person.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Well, yeah, I think you make a good point. This
has become a social norm there. Everybody pulls out their
phone and if they're like taking selfies or are they're
looking for something to see them. They're looking for something
to catch. Everybody's watching and recording. So if everybody else
is doing it, actually doing it too. And once you

(11:00):
create a social norm, it it's going to be very
hard to change.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
It's almost like life itself has become a video game,
you know, I mean, you share followers, you get points. Essentially,
it's only turned social interaction in a competitive game. And
and people, there are people out there doing stuff online,
just ridiculously stupid stuff, dangerous stuff for that matter, at
any cost and for shock value, and we manufacture outrage

(11:28):
and uh that just encourages more attention seeking antisocial behavior.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
And it's a race to the bottom. And so it's
literally I mean, if you get points, we're doing what
you do what should be clicks? So what should be like?
Isn't this a game?

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Sounds like it? I mean, and I think we're becoming
these sensitized. I think we see so much of it
that it's just like h's you know, here's another one.
And I think that a lot of this are we're
seeking stimulation and we're and for young adults are they're
looking for pure ruble and putting it on social media

(12:03):
is a quick way to get that.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, And it also effects I think socialization too. I
see a number not all, of course, but there are
a lot of young people now that you know, we'll
talk in one hundred and forty characters or less and
not make eye contact.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
To it.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
It's almost like you if you wouldn't know. They seem
autistic in a way, but it's actually the fact that
all their communication has done digitally. There's very little one
on one, face to face communication. It feels like that's
a dying art.

Speaker 5 (12:29):
Well, it does.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
And eye contact and just verbal I have many clients
that say, I don't call anybody. I can't remember the
last time I called somebody. Yeah, I just text him.
I just text him. And you know, if you think
about how we're using AI now, there are studies that
have come out that the younger population they're turning to AI,

(12:50):
and I think thirty five percent of one survey I
said that's because it didn't have anybody else to talk to.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, you hear that. And that's a very interesting point
main Lee Richardson is the fact that with all this technology,
grinning more and more isolated and therefore depressed. COVID exacerbated that,
to be sure, but it doesn't feel like we've moved
away from that. I mean, you know, when you are
social distancing and you're working at home and I know
they're calling people back to the office and people reluctantly
are doing that. But you're not interacting with anyone that

(13:19):
is so dangerous to the human psyche because we're social creatures,
are not built for.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
That, and I think we kind of forget how when
you don't, when you don't use social skills, well thinks that.
You know, we've talked about COVID when people first started
getting on the road again and driving as we came
out of COVID, the road rage was incredible. We forgot
how to drive nice.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
I don't know if we ever knew how to drive nice,
but it certainly got I agree with it got worse
after COVID, simply because it all became about us. We
are ready very self centered people with the advent of
digital technology, because it became our bone individual brand, right,
That's what it was about, you know, and you're told
the steady diet. If you're the most important person, you're snowflake.

(14:03):
You know your your fingerprint, you're you're different than everyone else,
and you're special. And we started naming people, you know,
people get names like princess and king and things like that.
Queen and those titles go around. But then you add
the isolation of COVID and social media in there, and
we have a very self centered society now, and it's
about me and my instant gratification and no one else.

(14:24):
How we see that people getting getting shot at McDonald's
behind the counter because you know, they got a cheeseburg
instead of a hamburger. If we allow that, it's not
much of a stretch to go, wow, hey, there's a
guy that I got beef with sitting at Citybird on
Fountain Square and broad Dayla album a fire, couple of
rounds in the window, or the guys that got in
an argument and started shooting across traffic rush hour right
at Fountain Square a couple of days ago, same thing?

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Wow right, Yeah, I mean, and there's something that we
have to do about it if we just we just
rollish and say, oh, that's just the way it is now,
so will only get first. And I think that that's
something that that we as we move forward with technology,
we've got to redefine our relationship with technology. Your phone

(15:08):
is not your best friend. Your phone does not need
to sleep with you. And I have clients that when
I say where's your phone's sleep form? You know I
used to call asleep with it in my hands. Really,
is that where it needs to be and I have
clients that refer to AI as AL. Well, I'm going
to go home. I'm going to go home and hang

(15:30):
out with AL Who's ol ask my boyfriend. I don't
know you had a boyfriend, Well, AI, I call him out.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Wow, And they have conversations with AI. And I've done
that kind of of je to see when the responses are.
It's frightening, is what it is. And we're becoming Yeah,
we're becoming more attracted to digital a digital person than
a real person. That's that's frightening and exper I think
a lot of this, a lot of what's happened here
now anyway, what we're.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Gonna say because they tell us what we want to hear,
of course we're getting it.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
We want that.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
I mean AI talks to you just like you talk
to it, and it will tell you and if you
use it consistently, it picks up your algorithm. It will
and it will learn to talk and it will tell
you what you want to hear. So yeah, we all
do like you, Hey, beautiful, you have a great day.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
And eventually we're gonna have a machine that does that
in real life and there'll be no human interaction. I'll
be dead and gone and happy by then. But chee
Lee Richardson at the Brain Performance Center in Texas. Lee
all the best, thanks for the inside good stuff. As always,
Thank you so much. Take care, b Welly. So what
we saw in July on the streets of Cincinnati, the

(16:39):
international those to the most recent Fountain Square shootings, which
has led to the dismissal essentially whatever you're calling it,
administrative leave of Chief Terry Fiji. I'm guessing that that's
what helped drive in the thing. And then you had
the shooting in front of the in between Thursday on football.
All these people around the city's lit up, and there's
cops around, cops are around Fountain Square, and these people
they just simply don't care. It's almost they lived in

(17:02):
their own world, a video game as it were, or
a world where I'm the central attraction. I'm the only
thing that matters. I'm not going to discount criminality, predatory
criminal behavior, and sociopaths that are engaging, there's no question,
but I think there's a reflection there on all of
us as societies where we're headed now with AI coming
into fruition, which we still don't know what tomorrow is

(17:23):
going to bring with that, but also the fact that
you know, look at the few people calling nine to
one one when something goes on, they'd rather record it,
post content on their page to get clicks and views,
and that feeds even more of the stuff too. And
I think in that regard we are all to blame
to some degree because we're feeding that and then you
put that in the hands of well street thugs and
criminals and sociopaths, and this is what happens. Just something

(17:45):
to think about and if that's true in any way,
shape or form, is it really the fault of Terry
Fiji or Adam Henny or whoever the chief is the
city of Cincinnati. Probably not. Could you do better with
the policies, absolutely, but that's above them. Scott'sland with News
in four minutes here seven hundred W.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Well the.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Scott's looking here seven hundred W l W Welcome to
the show. I just talked to Lee Richardson, and Lee
is with the Brain Performance Center in Dallas and we
just had the you know what cosed Terry Fiji her
job essentially that would be the violence downtown, the shootings
at Fountain Square, and also I would include there what

(18:25):
happened at the end between two and you know, you
talk about the impact social media has on people, and
just let's look, let's look back at what happened in
July when you had all these people that were fighting
and getting curb stomped and everything else, and what one person,
maybe two people called nine one one, and even the
person who's gonna call nine one one was threatened and

(18:48):
didn't you know, didn't feel comfortable in reaching out to
police because they felt like, hey, you know what, we
don't want to upset this. This is happening in our
little ecosystem here, and we're gonna have race wars, but
we don't want anyone responding. And you know there's people
down bleeding, you know, significant and serious injuries, two people,

(19:09):
and you wonder why that exists. Well, she talked greatly
about how the impact that social media has had on
all of us, and even if you're not involved in
you're offended by that. We also are still to blame
because we drive the content through the algorithms and that's
why clickbait is created. I think it's interesting too just
reading the story about social media. The social media make

(19:31):
you dumber, And the answer is well, yeah, I think
we can. I think we can absolutely measure that, but think, okay, well,
how do we test that? How we get simply just
you know, there's really no way to measure it, but
there is. If you had a you know what they
call in the research field, you know you've got a

(19:51):
you got a test, and a test better than a
I'm not blanking on the name of it, you know
I'm talking about anyway, long story short. If you think
scrolling the Internet days making it dumber, what about AI?
So what they did is fascinating researchers, I think Texas.
And then they took junk data. They took the stuff
that we look at, the clickbait, the millions and millions
of short social media posts. They took stuff from Facebook

(20:12):
and x and Instagram and all that, and they put
a bunch of it into AIAI models. The stuff that
has a lot of engagement, likes, reposts, longer content, that
kind of stuff, sensationalized presentations and really thin on actual information.
Basically the same type of content that's rotting our own
brands or it feels like our writting own bridge. What

(20:33):
did AI do with this stuff? Because it's a learning
model the AI models that they use saw significant drops
in reasoning capabilities, understanding context, and being safe a sense
adherence to safety standards. So more than just getting dumber,
they included the clickbait, they included the junk, and it

(20:56):
also changed the model's personality because it's a learning model
and so we'll learn and the responses when you read them,
you tend to look at and go, okay, it's not
just data, but there's a little personality. Well that's a yeah.
You know, you could say, hey, take the story and
make it funny, and it would make it funny that
there's a personality element to it. And I know it's

(21:17):
a I know it's a computer and it's it's AI.
But that's the scary part of the good part about it,
I suppose. So they put this through I think metas
when a meta's AI bots, and it displayed significantly higher
levels of narcissism and became less agreeable and also went
from displaying nearly no signs of psychopathy to extremely high
rates of psychopathy. That's crazy. Literally, it's making the computer crazy.

(21:41):
So if that is AI, and we can measure baseline
AI and go okay, well, this is before we feeded
a bunch of junk. If that's rotting the brain of
the computer, so to speak, what is that doing to
me and you? And conversely, when you look at what
happened at Fountain Square, when you look at what happened
d'uring the beatdown in July, it wouldn't surprise one that

(22:05):
no one is going to call the police. No one
cares to call the police or reach out and say, hey,
these are actually living human beings here because we're programmed
to steady died of this doncentse And you know, if
you spend all day looking at it, and I'm guilty
of it too, you might be as well. I try
to avoid it as much as possible, because it just
feels toxic to me. It really really does. So social media,
when you take it and put it at AI, makes

(22:26):
AI worse, dumber, more angry, just like us. We're in
day twenty three the shutdown now and now officially the
second longest funding lapse in modern history, eclipsing the one
back in back to nineteen ninety five during the Clinton administration.
Thirty five days would be the record, by the way,
in case you're counting thirty five days and healthcare of

(22:47):
course as a hold up in this whole thing. We've
been talking about that. I'll have a guest on at
eleven oh six on that topic entirely too. Now, especially
as we head into benefit season here. It's open enrollment
coming up November first, and we're expecting the worst works
back being you know, a lot less coverage and more cost.
And that's for all of us too. So we are
now day twenty three of this thing. Yesterday they tried

(23:08):
to pass the I think the twelfth attempt to pass
the bill and nothing, largely because no one's outrage yet.
Now I know that they're going to start cutting SNAP
and that does affect seniors as well as low income families.
I wonder if that will get someone's attention or they'll
just go what they usually do is just say, well,
you know we can we we'll find some money for
because you know, it's theater up until a point that

(23:28):
someone gets hurt, no doubt about it. So we have
that going on. This is in the medical area here too.
I didn't know this. Last year they handed on a
Nobel Prize and on the nobil risory toxic and polarize
these days, but the Nobel buying physiology went to I
guess it a scientist or scientists, I should say that

(23:48):
studied animals, animals that can breathe through their anus. What
So now they've taken their research and said, there's mammals
that are capable of breeding through their butt. What do
we do with that? Well, for people who have disabilities
or blocked airways or clogged lungs, the OPD, for example,

(24:08):
maybe I don't know, they are now experimenting and getting
promising results to bring rectal oxygen delivery one step closer
to medical reality. I don't know if that's a foot pump,
I'm not sure. If you, I don't know, you stop
at UDF and you put quarters in, I'm not I
have no idea how that would work, but guarantee this,

(24:30):
if they get to that point, there will be some
product that comes out. PNG is probably already working on
something to make your anus smell better. So it's to
have fresh breath from the mouth and the butt as well,
a butt muffler or something. I don't know how they're
going to do this. It's a I don't know, if
it's a stovepipe, I'm not going not wait sure, you
just think about going well, you know, you've seriously if

(24:50):
you can't breathe, that's problematic for the human condition. Generally.
Not breathing is frowned upon in these parts, tends not
to have good outcomes, as they say in the medical field.
Now there's an option to actually be able to breathe
through your butt, well, not an option yet, it's maybe
they're working on this thing. What does that kind to
look like? Science is freaking amazing, absolutely amazing. That's good

(25:15):
stuff right there, Scott's Loan Show on this Thursday morning.
So yeah, we're on the backside of this whole thing.
Coming up at ten oh six Dominic Miserndido's here. He's
a retail expert, okay, and what nine months in roughly
we're heading to the quarter four quarter four is here?
How's this whole tariff thing working out? I was at
the store yes two days ago and it was Costco

(25:35):
of all places, which I love be some Costco because
the prices are good, people are very friendly there, and
everything's in quantity, which we like. I actually, for the
first time a long time or since I can ever remember,
said look to beef and went, yeah, it's too expensive.
It didn't high like to eat right, being Italian and

(25:56):
all that, and I look at it and go, wow,
pick up a pack of steaks and I think they
were just like I don't know, strip stakes or something
like that. And it was one hundred dollars for it
was a good There was a costco sized pack mine.
It wasn't like tuesdaks. Even the hamburger was like, you know,
six between six seven dollars a pound, Wow for hamburger.
It looked at it when O kaid, it's a lot

(26:16):
of hamburger freeze, like a lot of the stuff putting
in the ceiler and bag it up. But yeah, you
know what, I'm good chickadizer, Like I got two forty
nine pounds. I'll go that. I'll do that, like do
I need no, No, we're good, We're good. I couldn't
believe it. But then that's just me, and I'm sure
you and in course countless other people, so many people
feel the effect that every day. And you know, you

(26:38):
look at it and go, can I actually afford to
buy hamber It used to be steak right or something
nicer cut of meat. Now it's like I can't even
I can't affer eggs Hamburger. It's all going through the
roof inflation and tariffs and of course you know with
beef too. There's a lot of other factors in there
as well, with droughts and sicknesses. But we'll get into
that with the dominant. Coming up at twelve. I'm sorry,
twelve was six, I said, coming up at the ten
oh seven this morning here on the Scott Sloan Show

(26:58):
on seven hundred WW News on the way about six
minutes here, seven hundred W WELW Scott's Loan Show. Keeping
on top of everything. The latest Thigi news kind of
light today, But yesterday I think it was WCPO nine
at a interview with aftab Purevall and he said, this
investigation is going to take months to figure out what

(27:20):
she did wrong so we can fire her. And you know,
typically you go, well, maybe, okay, yeah, you know, maybe
Thigi was did something that's going to cause her to
be suspended and paid leave and what what has she
got someoned back from the conference in Denver and we
thought it was crime related and they're investigating her and

(27:41):
now she's paid leave. What's going on? What kind of
high level stuff is going on? Ask yourself a question,
and that may be true, but ask yourself a question.
How many times has that actually happened where someone as
that said, Hey, we've suspended a person. Now we're going
to wait two or three months and then tell tell
you what it is we think they did wrong. Doesn't

(28:04):
that Isn't that completely counter to the criminal justice system,
even did the basics of due process, And ironically, she's
the chief of police due processes. Okay, here's what we're
charging you with. Here are the accusations against you. Defend yourself. Instead,
they're going, okay, we're going to suspend you. Now we're

(28:26):
going to look for the stuff we suspended you. It's
it's part and parcel for what's going on at city Hall.
It really is something else. I'm not saying she's Clai.
I don't know. Knowing Terry and her family and what
they've done. Hard to believe that she'd be up to
something that would cost her her job, and you start
to the mind wanders of things you could do as
a chief that would cause you to be forced out.

(28:48):
But we've never heard a rumor about that. Talk to
people at other news organizations, they haven't heard anything like
that with Terry Thiji. It doesn't pass a sniff test.
But again, now, normally how you do, like pe sitting
and felt for example, Okay, we heard rumors and then
okay we had the FBI and the sting and all that.
That information came out and he of course denied it

(29:12):
all and then went to prison and then got out
of prison because it was overturned. I get that. That's
usually how it works. I don't see too often if ever,
we met something and go we're suspending them, and there's
no inkling as to what they They don't know what
they did. So I'll reach out to Steve vm over

(29:33):
at Finney lawfer maybe he wants to come on and
address this. We'll probably do that next week because hey,
you know what, Thursday, Friday, you're thinking about the weekend,
and so am I. So it feels like a good
Monday topic. And who the hell knows what's going to
happen between now and then? You got me? You got me,
Speaking of crime and punishment, the Louver The louverra reopened yesterday,
first time since Steve's stold eight of France's Crown jewels,

(29:54):
and the value on that, by the way street value
of over one hundred million dollars for eight jewels, and
they're still in the hunt obviously for the four thieves
that did this during daylight hours. And what it incredibly
they are addressed is construction workers. They get in and
out of the louver in less than what seven minutes
while the museum was opening to the public, and they

(30:15):
also set off two alarms and were confronted by security
personnel and show talked their way out of it and
then hopped on some motorcycles and took off, which is
pretty smart when you think about I mean Paris, they
are a live you never been but it's incredible number
of motorcycles they have in Europe, but particularly in France
and in Paris obviously because so many people in the

(30:36):
streets are so narrow, but you can get around on
them pretty quickly. The idea that you're going to know
all the things it gets you know, if you I
don't stole a painting, be much harder to get away
on a motorcycle. But he's still jewels, which is probably
part of the target. It's like, okay, well I can
throw them in my pocket, get them on bike and roll.
And then they had that image of the electric ladder
that was extended the second floor window, but the louver

(30:58):
is undergoing extensive remodeling, as you may or may not know,
and that's a pretty common sight. That's how you get
things to the top floors. If you've you know, we
see it occasionally in Cincinnati and are of the most
densest urban area. But if you go to I don't
like Chicago or New York for example, and you watch
them work on a building, I mean, to hoist drywall
up is a feat of engineering. We're literally got to

(31:19):
blow all the windows out and just hoist it up
on a giant lift and get the sheets of drywall
up to the thirtieth floor or whatever it does. You're going.
That's a whole different operation there. So it all it
all kind of fit together. The fascinating part about this
to me is how the alarms want out, they knew
the alarms would go off in security to respond, and
how they are still able to get away in talking

(31:42):
their way out of this thing dress as construction workers.
I cannot wait to hear that element of it. That's
the most fascinating part of this to me. And also
it makes you think, well, they had some insight knowledge
of how things are going to work, because I did
read that there are cameras in the second story. We're
facing in the wrong direction. And you know, if you're
working and can instruction on a floor a couple of floors,
moving stuff around is commonplace, and so you wonder if

(32:08):
that was maybe how they got in, But you would
also think you'd have to have people inside the loop
helping you too, and pretty precise the fact that they
got in they got specifically what they wanted, because there
I know there's I don't know the total number of
Crown jewels, but there's there's a number. They got eight
of them, very specific items. But doesn't that make you think, okay,
if specifically they got these things, was this like a

(32:30):
did they already have the fence set up? And that
was that someoney who said, hey, listen, we'll pay you
this amount of money if you can get these jewels,
go in and get them. And they did that. It
was like a basically they placed an order and the
thieves went and got this stuff. And just the number
of people it took too, I think to pull this
off is fascinating to me. So and it's just like

(32:51):
the Italian job or snatch or I mentioned Inspectorcluso in
Pink Panther or Ocean's eleven. Yeah, it's just a good
fevery story and you look at it, go this is
gonna be give me some poorn because it's gonna be
great on Netflix when they finally solved this whole thing.
By the way, uh, Scotts phone coming up next to
the show Don Mizarndino's here is retail experts, the terraffs
feeling that we're feeling the squeeze the consumer end. And

(33:12):
I think that is indeed the problem here because when
it's I don't know, cattle ranchers are getting money, Venezuela
is getting money. We got money coming in from the terrace,
but it's not trickling down to me and you. And
if so, how long can we stand this pain with
the terraffs. That's just ahead on the Home of the
Best Bengals coverage seven hundred WW SINCENTI, do you want to.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Be an American idiot?

Speaker 2 (33:31):
It's got flown back on seven hundred w W. So, uh,
my wife and I work Costco the other day. Love
me some Costco even though it's just two of us
for summer speaking chop at Costco. Do I really need?
Do I really need a fifty five gallon drum of mayonnaise? No,
but damn it, look at that price on that. Unfortunately,
I'm looking around it for the first time since I
don't know when I looked at a package of beef

(33:53):
and I think it was like, you know, a pack
of steaks or something you're freeze on me to cut,
and it was over one hundred dollars may like a
package of ground beef. Now granted it's the Costco size package,
but it was like forty to fifty bucks. And I
looked at it and went, nope. So where are you
on tariffs, because that's part of this too. Beef is
a I think maybe a little bit different. But you know,
we have that, we have inflation driving the cost of

(34:15):
goods or consumers the stuff that is widely important in
the US, in particular furniture, car parts, electronics. I mentioned
beef getting hit some of the big ones companies that
passed on roughly two thirds of those costs to us
to meet and you and we're waiting for all this
to come back to us. The question is if and
when and on that is dominic mister Indino is a
CEO at retail tech Media Nexus Rtmnexus dot com Dominic.

(34:39):
Welcome back, how you doing.

Speaker 6 (34:40):
Brother, Thrilled to be back, Thrill to be back and
cover some light and airy issues in the economy.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
I was cringing at the price of beef and walk
in and went now And I don't ever remember doing
that because I like beef, I like chicken, I like
you know this, My body type is beef. So when
we look at the tariffs themselves and what's happening or
President Trump just told cattle ranchers, I think yesterday, the
only reason they're doing so well is because tariffs on

(35:10):
cattle come in the United States are causing their prices
and they're causing make a more profit. And that includes
a fifty percent tar from Brazil. But now we want
to import bee from Argentina because we want we want
to help their economy, and then cattle ranchers here will
get three billion dollars in assistance to those who have
been hurt with the trade dispute with countries like China.

(35:30):
So it's like just a malgam. It's a casse role
of subsidy and giveaway and tariffs and then we're taking
the money and giving it to farmers. And it feels
like everyone's getting money of foreign countries and farmers, but
they ain't doing anything for me and you.

Speaker 6 (35:46):
Well, and I think started the basics of the equation,
and I go back to the basics, mean, what is
a tar of The tariff is attacks essentially passed on
to the consumer unimported goods, which means, and you're going
to have to buy beef right now, your choice is
American beef price, and everything else has a tariff on it,
there by making it more expensive, making the American beef

(36:08):
price grows up. If the American consumer is good with that,
paying higher prices, then hooray on tariffs. Now the challenge
is the American consumer, such as yourself, knock on the door, say.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
One hundred dollars feet, what's going on, dude? And CAUs
there's one cycle. In the addition, you have this other issue,
this whole Argentina thing. And then the farmers themselves saying,
wait a minute, I thought we were winning in this equation.

Speaker 6 (36:33):
By stopping all external beef, you're helping Argentina. So I
think you have almost like two stories hitting each other,
like the cars driving into each other middle highway, and
to be honest, the only one to lose is the
guy who has a paycheck who says, are these parts
necessarily getting me where I want to be?

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I think it's a fair assessment because you look at
that Brazil and the tariffs and women to Argentine. Well, Argentina, okay,
we need to help their economy. So we're gonna we're
with the tariffs. I don't know if with the impact
is Argentina tariffs, but we ont to lift their economents.
We're gonna give them subsidy. We're gonna Venezuela another one.
Cattle ranchers here get three billion dollars because they're not
selling stake because somebody like me walks in goes. I
ain't paying that for a stake. You know it'll be

(37:14):
special cat back to special occasion or grand beef or
whatever it is. Okay, So they're getting money through you know,
tariffs and subseat it. We don't get anything as the consumers.
Now we're waiting. We're told back in January and up
to that that hey, we're gonna hit the tariffs and
guess what, We're gonna start getting jobs back it's going
to start to just cost everyone's going to be rich.
And we keep waiting for that, and I think, you know,
here we are and the Q four right now, we're

(37:37):
not seeing that, and that really is the problem right here,
we're not getting the relief we were told we're going
to get.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
I think the critical part of that is the when.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
Meaning tariffs add to the American overall budget to put
them in supplictic we get the money we're collecting. Everyone
has to pay more for their beads, and they put
sending money right to the US government. All right, theoretically
paying down debt, but the when kicks in, so you're
paying one hundred bucks x percentage of it goes to
tariffs if it's not US base goes right to the

(38:10):
US budget and thereby you're paying down the budget. Now
your next question of when, well, most estimates are ten
years plus, right, So the average consumer has to think
the when timeline is a little bit off. You know,
we're not going to see necessarily you're paying a hundred
bucks and then next week prices magically dropped.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (38:31):
And I think the American, the average person, you know,
can I can live with this?

Speaker 6 (38:38):
Three months six months, nine months, and now we're coming
out to nine months of the presidency.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
It's a doubt. See how people are looking saying, why
am I paying as much coalty?

Speaker 2 (38:48):
I get it right, We're not in the town. We've
seen this before, like the wars and stuff. We just
you fight, America, just go. We'll just hang on for
a lot longer because we have the attention span of
a moth, which is pretty much non existent, and we
just okay, well, well look at the midterms and we'll
punish Republicans because it's not going fast enough, and then
a Democrat will come in and undo all this stuff
and start their own policies, and that won't work, and
then we're back to Republican and meanwhile, the cost of

(39:10):
everything is going through the roof. I think in particulars,
you know, Dominic with beef, there's some outliers there in
addition to tariffs and not just fair to say terraces,
but we had a multi year drought that caused cattle
herts to shrink. We know that farmers are hit with that,
and production expenses went up, and I think we're down
by like seven to ten percent. Fewer ranches in America
number of cattle producing farms and America has gone down

(39:31):
over the past several years. We had to stop importing
cattle from Mexico because of the screw worm, which is
a parasitic flesh eating maggot, I guess, And so we
all these factors in addition to the tariffs.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
That doesn't help well, you know the other factor. To
me economically, I am very much the time thinking more
competition gives us more choices. Isn't it great when you
go when you could say I want to buy Argentinian beef,
I want to buy a New Zealand lamb or whatever
you want.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
The problem with the tariffs is we're actually we're eliminating
to other choices. For the average consumer. You go there
and you have to buy whatever is the cheapest because
you're just trying to make a paycheck at this point.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
That doesn't necessarily help very lucky.

Speaker 6 (40:14):
But the competition does reduce the prices and cause people
to say, hey, you know, let me make the choice,
and maybe it's equal and you choose Americans, And that's great,
right as an argument about.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
That, right, Yeah, And I think the thing is we
heard that, I guess because of the tariffs America has
made I guess, and the taxes and the import tax
it would be some two hundred million. I forget with
the numbers. It's a lot of money, but that's not
getting sent back to the tax where the consumers. It's
going to, you know, the ranchers to not to make
offsets and other manufacturers get subs to the other countries
are getting that money back. It's not time to go

(40:47):
to Argentina, right right, And none of us coming back
to the American consumer. Although some good news India. I
guess the US were close to coming up with a
trade deal that could cut things from fifty percent sent
down to like fifteen percent, which would be huge. How
big a dent does that make to the consumer? Do
we see that?

Speaker 6 (41:07):
I don't think we will because the other other factor
in all, if you're running a company in America and
let's say you're not effected by tariffs, but all the
other prices and now going up by fifty percent, you're
going to raise your price. I mean, I've spoken to
many retailers who said, we are American based, and while
the theory was the tariff, you know, I guess raises

(41:29):
everyone else's prices and the American is there by cheaper
and reason up because why am I going to charge
five bucks when everything else at ten? Souse, I'm just
making five bucks more now at this point. I'm raising
my price from five to ten at that point, and
the American consumer will take it because all the other
prices are now.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Right well at some point, I mean, you know, we
heard about the cost Well, we're going to eat the costs,
eat the costs. Well, we know now that manufactures because
the data's out there that said they're passing two thirds
of stuff out of the consumer. So but how do
retail how did they You're in the ret how business dominic, mistery,
you know, how do they decide which tariff costs to absorb,
which wants to pass on the consumers? And what what?

(42:06):
What factors end on that?

Speaker 6 (42:08):
I mean, I'm actually not only see r TM nextus
the most board for Engaged three, a pricing company, and
we have these conversations.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
All the time. It's what the consumer wants in the
sense that right now you're buying, are you going to
jump to one fifty tomorrow? Probably not. You might switch
to vegetables.

Speaker 6 (42:29):
However, one hundred dollars beet for the next six months.
Your mindset starts to switch and you say, this is
normal now and right now. If you think we have
this mantra of the price of eggs, the price of eggs,
the price of eggs, it's not like the price of
eggs is less when Trump came to office. Now, I'm
not saying that in political sense. I'm saying in a
psychological sense. We we set as a as a society,

(42:54):
we all go, this must be normal. There's nothing wrong
about this whatsoever. And in fact, well, it isn't down.
You know, it's roughly where we were a year or
two ago.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah? I think that's true, especially in Dominican gas prices.
Right when when the gas has been low recently, but
you know, hey, gas is up near for well, I
hits that magic. You know, even number four dollars, three
fifty four dollars gas four dollars agays this is outrageous.
But if it drops down to three seventy five, three fifty,
you're like, oh, okay, gas price is down, but a
year ago gas was three dollars. Callum, we forget we

(43:31):
absolutely do.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
I mean I'm looking right now, live at the price
of gas. It has been roughly the same and high
since twenty twenty when it dipped when no one was
using gas anyway during COVID.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
So we do say, hooray went from four to three.
Horay beef is now one hundred, it goes down to ninety.
And I think we have to almost look and the
data is there. You can go Google.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Everyone on this.

Speaker 6 (43:56):
Listening now can go immediately Google look at the price
in historically these states and decide for themselves as voters,
is this the policies they want and how long? And
the answer could be yes in certain circumstances. Now to me,
I will say, in my opinion, I think certain times
don't make any sense to me in a sense like
calling the premise being you're going to raise that American industry,

(44:20):
but there's only one state that makes coffee. Yeah it's light, right,
so why not all others? Gasoline is a good example.
I don't think we should be limiting resources, and there's
very few resources I think as a consumer makes sense.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
To limit because this limits my choices.

Speaker 6 (44:39):
I enjoy going supermarket and having something different to try today.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah, well, by shut down a Keystone pipeline, we need
more of that in the interim. I mean, you know,
clean energy is great, it's a great goal to have,
but for the least next hundred years, we're going to
dependent on fossil fuels. There's just no way around it,
because it's in everything we consume, not just your car,
but your clothes, your house, your your your coffee cup,
all this stuff. It's insane to think that we can
just flip a switch and make everything green. Dominic miss

(45:04):
Redino's the CEO of Retail Tech Media and Nexus RTM
mediaex dot Com, and he is a expert when it
comes to why stuff costs what it costs in the
retail environment, and specifically it's starting to I think we're
starting to see at the checkout coming what is the
impact on like Kroger for example, Cincinnati based Kroger.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
You know, all this comes down back to the consumer
in the sense that yes, is a question of passing
it on. But when you're limiting choices, what does the
consumer say? Generally, the consumer, when the price hits it,
we'll go into survival mode. So maybe you're not buying
the organic beat you want you to buy. You know,
maybe you're not buying this specialty localized and they're buying survival.

(45:50):
So I think the mindset switches to what the consumer needs.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
M what about independent retailers or what about the little guy?

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Or into me. If you're the average consumer listening on
this broadcast and you're thinking yourself, where am I going shopping?
It's one hundred bucks people have. When they said that
out loud, they're every one can costco see it? Oh
buying that. They're not necessarily saying themselves, I'm going to
go downtown to that specialty butcher to buy that's specialty

(46:21):
localized XYZ. Not because they don't want to, because the
price is it's survival of that, you know, for the
family pay the bill. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, we've got the holidays coming up. So then there's
a factor of seasonal planning and holiday inventory. Are we
going to notice a difference and how much stuff in
stock is on shelves because you don't want to overbuy,
you don't underbuy, And it's a season starting earlier and
earlier because well, they're going to get their inventory and
when it's gone, it's gone.

Speaker 6 (46:51):
I tell people the time him to start earlier for
the holidays. I'm already starting to see it. I'm talking
to retail thing. Our inventory is shifting, we're running out
stuff more often than not, we're hitting those delays. I
don't think it's necessarily panic as much, and I don't
think talent it's ever the right answer.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
It is planning. It's always planning over panic, right.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Dominic As far as the big picture here and you
know the wall, Well, we're doing these teriffs because we're
going to repatriate American jobs. And I mean, are your suppliers,
are your the companies you represent, are they specifically seeking
American manufacturers and American trades people to supply them with
the goods that they need to stock their shelves to

(47:33):
be fair?

Speaker 4 (47:34):
I think the answer, of course is it depends chip manufacturers,
chemicals dirty that Americans don't want. They're not coming back,
and nor maybe do we even want them to come back.

Speaker 6 (47:46):
We don't necessarily want our kids going into minds, right
if we can avoid it.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
That said, if it's something that can be repatriated, but
you know, you're not getting.

Speaker 6 (47:58):
Coffee coming to America anytime soon, You're not building a
chick factory for ten years anytime soon. Those things are
definitely getting limited. So I think, uh, you know, one example,
I just spoke to an eyeglass company.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
She's like, the only people who can make these glasses.

Speaker 6 (48:15):
Specialty, high end glasses are in Italy. She's like, I
can't get a factory. She's like, if I get them
to even even if I could immigrate them over which
is another immigration question, how do I get the specialties
specialty guy who's been doing this for fifty years to
come to Ohio and train the people on that craft

(48:37):
craft and artisanship and factories take awa. There are some
that might not woodworking, you know we have and there's
find things we do have in America, right we don't.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
But when it comes to industries that need to be
recreated from scratch, you hear these factories overseas that we're
not going to. That's what you get American workers going
in at four dollars an hour anytime soon. Just not
the economics, but they have that instead.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Yeah, nobody knows where this ends, is the thing. And
what happens over the next year or two years, because
belts are tightening, and I think you know, your your
retailer see that at the counter, what people are buying
or not buying. You know, we look at the layoffs
of companies like P and G for example here in Cincinnati,
because they're forward looking, right, they're looking quarters ahead, going, well,
you know what, people are buying cheaper laundry detersion, or

(49:29):
they're doing fewer loads of laundry. They'll still buying tide,
but they're doing fewer loads or trying to cram more
in their laundry. And so now we have to offset
that by well, we got to tighten our belts as well.
So it's it seems like it's slow moving, but it's not.
And the tariffs are coming on roots and longer it
goes on, we got to start seeing some payoffs at
some point, otherwise it's just going to be held to

(49:50):
pay here. I don't know how you can afford ground
beef at this point for the typical American family. I mean,
it's my wife and I. We do fairly well, but
family members are kids for example, like yeah, we can't
buy we can't afford that anymore. And you start to
wonder the effect if this how much longer this can
go on? He's Dominic mister and Dino, CEO at Retail
Tech Media and Nexus Rtmnexus dot Com. Dominic always appreciate

(50:14):
the insight. Thanks again, brother, I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Thank you very much. We'll talk soon.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Take care. News on the way in just about four minutes,
five minutes from now here in the Big one, seven
hundred WLW back half the week is here at least. Yeah,
steak is now. It feel like a luxury man. And
you know, if you go to Jeff Ruby's or Tony's
or any one of the fine steakhouses in the city
that we're blessed to have. You know, you look at
some of these prices, you go, wow, that went up like,

(50:37):
you know, twenty bucks since I last remembered it. Yeah,
there's a lot of sticker shot going and squeezing those
guys too. So you want to see the worm turn here,
and you wonder if it ever is going to turn
at this point. I know nine months is not a
long time, but for Americans, nine months is a long time.
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Somebody is gonna get whacked. And when whackings breakout, we
break in here on seven hundred WW Sloany and this morning.
And this affects all of us too. By the way,
I just tell you a story about the social media
and how they fed all the clickbait and all this

(51:45):
nonsense you read on social media into AI chatbots, and
it actually made aichat Ai dummer and more angry, which
is it's measurable, and that's computer imagement's doing us. And
of all the things to keep you awakened, that may
be one thing. Some sixty to seventy million America have
chronic sleep deprivation. Twenty two of us have sleep apnea.
Twenty two million people have sleep apnea. Insomnia effects about

(52:07):
a third of the population, and third of adults in
four and ten say they often feel or fall asleep
at work. And if you're a truck driver, that's really concerning.
Some jobs you probably can get away with. There are
times where I've admittedly fall asleep during the show and
no one noticed. But truck drivers that is bad. You're
flying an airplane bad. You're probably in somebody's heart doing surgery.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Bad.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Talk show not so much. Sonjay shave A Crimani's on
the show this morning is in the air physician at
doctor Sonja Sincy with a y or. He intersects the
worlds of food and health and fitness and jumps in
the show this morning in studio this morning, How are
you a coach? How are you doing doing well? Thanks
for having I'm doing good, Thanks for coming in this morning. Okay,

(52:48):
so you're an your air physician in Cincinnati, but you're
also you're in the fitness realm as well. You hear
the story and you probably see a lot of sleep
apnea presents, and we know that you can get some
very serious illness. You can die from sleep apnea. How
much how many undiagnosed the twenty two million, how many
of those you think are undiagnosed, like the bulk of them.

Speaker 7 (53:05):
I think it's probably the bulk. So I mean, to
have the diagnosis, you kind of have to see a doctor,
have the studies done right right. And some people you know,
are just getting slapped in the middle of the night
by their partner in bed, being like you're snoring, when
it's actually it's something more serious than that, specifically sleep
apnan or.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
You just go into another bedroom of the couch exactly.
You can't stand it.

Speaker 7 (53:24):
That's a new thing. It's sleep divorce. Yeah, you've heard
of this thing. Yeah, yeah, that's a big deal. Yeah,
so people are starting to do that. But it's not
like divorcing because of sleep. It's just sleeping in separate areas.
But that might actually be your clue that maybe there's
something else going on other than you just can't sleep
well without the person or you can't stand your partner
like it would be something worse.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Well, let's get how much how much of these sleep
problems that we have in America and it affects most
all of us. I mean, they say get between eight
you know, eight hours of sleep? Is that an actual goal?
Is that a hard fast number? Is it different? For
different people.

Speaker 7 (53:53):
So it's a pretty solid number. So seven to eight
hours is what we're shooting for. Something less than seven
does start adding up. In fact, your performance in general
kind of decreases over time. So I actually went to
this TED talk several years ago and the guy said,
you know, the first four hours of sleep is just
to restore your body. That's all you're doing. You're repairing
your body. But the next four hours is where your

(54:15):
brain regenerates. So like all that emotional stuff that you
need to face your day, You need to face the
struggles of your day, the challenges, like that's what you
get in the next four hours, and you need those
next four hours, all of it to be your best
in those emotional situations. So yeah, we can survive, but
we are not the best versions of ourselves while we're
just surviving. If we're getting four to six hours of sleep,

(54:37):
it's ours seven and eight where we really get like
the maximum benefit.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Can you make that up in the weekend when some
people go working really hard and then I mean, you
know you're an EER doc, So if you were crazy,
do you sleep for like twelve hours?

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Can you?

Speaker 7 (54:49):
That would be a healthy right, But excuse the pun,
if you could do that like a college. So the
whole idea of like banking sleep and getting it, there's
there's a little bit of benefit there, but it's not
as much as we think. It's the it's the daily
kind of thing we need to get. And this is
one of those Yeah, you just nailed it. Like as
an er doc, my my schedule is crazy. It's days,
it's nights, it's weekends, it's all over the place. And

(55:11):
so that's why I hold sleep such in such importance
in my life because it's it's not good, but it
is literally the foundation of my well being and everything else.
It is the number one thing. And you can ask
my fiance. I'm almost obsessive about my sleep, but I
need to be because it's thrown off so often that
I have to do whatever I can to maximize it

(55:33):
so I can be my best in every.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Realm in my life. And it's more like a shift
work because you're you know, you're not, hey, I'm not
a nine to five er doc. No, it's where they
need you in different times and for twelve hours at
a time, right, or maybe longer in some cases. But
that's true for a lot of people who work second
third shift. They wrote a cops do that, right.

Speaker 7 (55:48):
Yeah, and and it affects you over time. A lot
of people love working nights for for good reason. It's
usually a cooler vibe, right, But turning around or sleeping
during the day, it's just not what our bodies were
built to do. And over time that us I mean,
there's studies out there that you know, if you're if
you're a night shift worker, you literally die earlier than
people who work dacious, right. And I've known this my
entire career, and I'm just like, oh, I just accept it,

(56:10):
and now I'm doing what I can to like die
a little later, I guess.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
But it's yeah, well you know what I mean. Look,
we're going to have a time a year now, son
Jay where you don't see the sun. And if you
work thirds, like I did that for a while, you
literally you don't see the sun at all. Ever. Yeah,
and we know that has a big, big effect on
the sleep cycles or Katie rhythms exactly, so like when
when you wake up.

Speaker 7 (56:30):
So the whole thing is people oftentimes say, watch your
blue light at night before you go to bed, and
that's a that's a whole thing, or being exposed to
light in the last couple hours before you go to bed,
but they're actually finding Also the morning time daylight is
really important, so like within an hour, getting ten to
fifteen minutes of light exposure in that hour. But if
it's dark outside, if you got one of the Cincinnati winters,

(56:51):
you're not going to see this the sun necessarily if
you're sleeping all day. And so it does affect the
night shift workers over time. And it initially you may
not feel it, or if you're young, but as we
get older, it really starts adding up.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
What about one of those happy lights. I've got one
of those. I don't in the winter. Sometimes I'll plug
it in at my desk or whatever and it throws
out simulates the sun. Does that work? Does that do anything?
It's something, It does a little something.

Speaker 7 (57:12):
It's not as great as being out in nature being
exposed to the to the elements, but at the same time,
you'd be exposing yourself to the elements. And so it's
like fifteen degrees outside. Hell yeah, go right, go hit
the light.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Why do we do this? I mean you just hit
on two things. You want that sunlight, that natural sunlight,
early in the morning. Why not make an alarm clock
that has a light hooked up to it and it
gradually comes on and lights up the room? What about that?
It's got your.

Speaker 7 (57:34):
Billion dollar idea has already been invented over and over again.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
But but I had something again. But no, it exists.

Speaker 7 (57:42):
I forget the brand names for it, but they definitely exist,
and they slowly come on, slowly, Wake up. I'll tell you,
the smallest shred of light will have me up and
eyes open. So like, it's not great for me, but
it works.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
For some people. Sanjay Shave of Krimani's on the show.
He's in our physician at doctor Sanjay Sincy and an
expert in fitness and food and health and fit. We're
talking about sleep this morning, which is a big deal.
Most of us don't get the necessary seven to eight
hours if you're getting sad. I'm like a seven guy myself,
so I think I'm okay. But I noticed too, the
older you get, you wake up in the middle of
the night and you're up for like two or three

(58:15):
hour feels like you're up for hours? Right, yeah, what
is that? Why is that happen?

Speaker 7 (58:19):
So the brain starts getting I mean, you're just getting old, Sloan,
that's what it is. So your your brain starts.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Telling me about it because I'm limping around the studio
just getting off crutches. Yeah, no, kitten, thanks, you and
me both are broken ankle shop jel. It's fine.

Speaker 7 (58:33):
But overtime, so when we're young, our brain knows what
to do, and over time our brain kind of forgets
what to do and how to sync with the cycle
of life. That's what That's what the current thought is.
So as we get older, our brain's like, oh, it's
the middle of the night, maybe I'm supposed to be
awake right now, as opposed to our younger brain that
is smarter. So yeah, we're just getting dark. It's dumb,
and here we are.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
I thought it was something to it, like I'm so
efficient at sleep. I only need four or five hours
and I wake up and I awake for two or three.
But I remember seeing something sign Jay years ago, a
fascinating story about the history of sleep and how screwed
up we got when electricity came on and you know,
candle light things like because it used to be hey,
you and some goes down the fire go to bed
at five o'clock and then get up in the but

(59:13):
people would sleep for four hours, get up, they'd make babies,
they get the stuff ready to eat the next day,
get some firewood going, and then they go to bed.
They'd be up for a few hours and then go
to bed for So because human history is a relatively
small sliver of our existence, so modern history we're talking
about here, we're like genetically wired to wake up in

(59:33):
the middle of night some to some degree somewhat.

Speaker 7 (59:37):
I mean, we don't have a lot of evidence of
all of that stuff, but I'll tell you that. Like,
what we've also found is different cultures need different amount
of sleep. So like we say we need seven eight
hours as humans, but it's actually kind of an American state.
I don't know what other countries there are, but some
countries actually require less sleep and you're okay, you're actually
thriving at six. So it's kind of weird. So maybe

(59:59):
that was a different culture back then too, where you
needed less sleep or needed to sleep in the middle
of the day. But you know, like European culture with
the siesta and everything that also works for them, And
so it depends. But the kind of cumulative amount you
need is seven or eight in today's world for the
most part, now that we're all becoming semi one culture

(01:00:19):
because we're all plugged into the same stuff, right right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Okay, now that makes a lot of sense. So we're
also told, hey, you know you need a ten thousand
dollars mattress that cools and heats you unless you up
and down all that stuff to get the best nice
sleep in your life? Is that just marketing? Is are
some truth in that? There's definitely truth to it.

Speaker 7 (01:00:35):
I think you know, you got mattresses, you got supplements,
you got all the other things out there. Mattress is important.
I mean I definitely invested in a good mattress and
a good pillow. But there's other things you can do,
and specifically, you know temperature of your room, which a
lot of people don't key in on. It's the light

(01:00:56):
that we just talked about. And then it's consistency of
sleep schedule, which coming from me, I mean, do as
I say, not as I do on that one, because
I literally can't. But the the mattress quality is important.
I mean, if you're if you're sleeping on a bed
of rocks and that's something new to you, it's not
gonna it's not gonna turn out well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
If you toss and turn son, Jay, is that indicating
indicating you a bad night's sleep or is it just
your toster return Because I'm a tosser turn So.

Speaker 7 (01:01:20):
Are you a tosser and turner all night or is
it a tosser and turner intermittently?

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
I have no idea. I'm sleeping. Yeah, what I know,
you're the doctor.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
Tell me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
I asked a really good questions. Yeah, you definitely, you're
flipping all over the place.

Speaker 7 (01:01:34):
So, so you know, our body goes through the cycles
of sleep, and you know, we're light sleep, then we're
deep sleep, and then there's the REM cycle where our
brain goes a little wild. That's when our dreams happen.
And as we go on further in the night, typically
if we're if we're healthy, we'll have more and more
REM cycles as the night goes on. And so it's
not atypical for you to be tossing and turning, especially

(01:01:55):
like between if you're sleeping from eleven to seven, from
three to seven, you're probably going to be tossing more
because you might toss more with your dreams because your
brain's a little restless and doing all the rem things
that it needs to do and having all the dreams.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Yeah, it seems I wake up, it'll be like a
solid four hours and you wake up and then you
go to the bathroom or whatever. And that's the other
thing too, is you get older, you tend to go
to the bathroom more.

Speaker 7 (01:02:13):
Yeah, it's it's all you know, you and I, I
mean for the whole my part where we're definitely the
four hour wake up guys now and it doesn't matter
what I do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
And and now are their ankle bros. You know, with
with those injuries.

Speaker 7 (01:02:25):
I have a little more swelling in my ankle now
than I used to. And so that just that's what
goes in the middle of the night, wake up and
go should you just get up?

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
And if it's like, Okay, I'm wide awake, I feel good,
should I just go up and do something and then
come back to bed later. So it's a great point.

Speaker 7 (01:02:37):
You makes a long So a lot of people are like, oh,
I'm just gonna stay in bed, I'm gonna I'm gonna sleep,
I'm gonna sleep, I'm gonna sleep, I'm gonna get back
to sleep. But one of the best things you can
do sometimes is get up and move around and change
your environment just for a little bit and come back
to bed. You don't want to necessarily like play a
video game or look at a screen or maybe even
even look at an e reader. You just kind of

(01:02:57):
want to move your environment a little bit. Don't eat,
don't drink anything, but just move a little bit, come
back to bed and try again as opposed to just
willing it to be just lying in bed, because when
we force something like that, it just never turns out good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Yeah, a sign shave a Karani's on his e our physician,
and we're talking about health and fitness and well and sleep.
It's it is a big thing. Especially we're going to
have the time change here in a little bit. That
always screws people up. Yep, you know, our gain, our
lost whatever. But at the end of the day, your
body still has to adjust to these whole things. And
you may be getting up in the middle of the
night and you're tossing and turning. What does that mean

(01:03:31):
to I need a better mattress? Is the room comfortable?
These things? And I'll come full circle on this because
we're talking about how social media pollutes the brain, and
they tested with AI and it it's making AI dumber.
If they feeded a steady dye a clickbait, what does
that say about me and you? I think that's the
other thing is do most people who is you know,
we talked about sleep ATNEAN. We've talked about other reasons
why people don't get a good night's sleep. But how

(01:03:53):
much of this is by you know, just life baggage?
You know, we're consuming news, we're online and reading all
this stuff, and then you wake up and you start
thinking about it, and then you have this fear and
you start getting the cycle, this mental cycle, and now
all of a sudden, that's where the I always say,
you know, nighttime, that's when the demons come out in
your head when it's quiet and you start thinking fatalist
things and horrible things. And how do you break that cycle?

(01:04:14):
And how much does that contribute to what we're talking about?

Speaker 7 (01:04:15):
It is a great question because the two things that
we're keying in on here is one the use of
the phone in general. So you have blue light, you know,
shooting into your eyeballs and it's waking up your brain
while you're using it. And so we really want to
turn that off literally at least one hour before bed
with any like any device, tablets, phones, et cetera, to

(01:04:36):
allow our brains to rest a little bit. And then
you have the issue of well, the content of that
and what it's doing to you and adding to your
stress and anxiety, especially taking in world events, et cetera,
but maybe even your own personal stuff. Right, your brain's
just going and it is hard to calm down. And
a lot of people say, you know, I got to
read before I go to bed, or I got to
get my news in before I go to bed, and
it's actually working for me. You've probably conditioned your brain,

(01:04:59):
like watching TV before bed, which a lot of people do.
My best friend falls asleep watching TV every night. You
probably condition your brain to say, oh, that's the TV.
I'm going to go to sleep now, okay, right, but
you're not going to get good sleep, so your brain's
going to be kind of still going with all of
that stuff, still processing it, and then you know, you'll
have one of those middle of the night wake ups,
like you're talking about, everything's quiet, and that's the time

(01:05:20):
when your brain shows up and has a party, and
so it's really hard to fall asleep when there's stuff,
you know, when you're taking in stuff right before you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Go to bed.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
You should tell my wife this because she'll sit there
and scroll TikTok for like an hour, yeah, and then
go put it down, and she's sleeping in thirty seconds
and sleeps with straight eight hours.

Speaker 7 (01:05:37):
I mean, there's superhumans among us. They're superhumans out there,
and I am definitely not one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
I can't. I can't. I get my iPad. But I'm
reading a book, yeah, you know, and something that's like history,
or I'm reading a book about George Remis from Cincinnati
here of all things, and yeah, it takes you know,
for me, I read like a half a chapter and
fall asleep. So I try to find boring topics and
things like that and not to get all worked up
and just you know falls. There's two ways as far
as content goes.

Speaker 7 (01:06:01):
So my fiance was reading this boring book and literally
she read two lines every night and she out and
it was, you know, it was this like really scientific book.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
And she.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Works.

Speaker 7 (01:06:14):
But I prefer actually reading fiction on a on like
a Kindle e reader, so you get a little less
blue light coming out, but there's still some lights are
out and I read fiction because it just sends me
into like fantasy world and I'm in a dream zone.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
Now.

Speaker 7 (01:06:28):
Some people will say that e readers do admit the
well they do. They emit some light, so you're kind
of affecting yourself a little bit. So, but you know
what's the other way you're going to do it is
have a light above your head right, and that's hitting
their book and now it's hitting your eyebo.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
The dark background with the light white light right is
exactly that's mode or whatever.

Speaker 7 (01:06:45):
You definitely want nightmode if you're using like one of
those fancy tablets e readers as opposed to like the kindle.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
You know, where are you on melatonin? I So I
think we're using too much melotone?

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Right?

Speaker 7 (01:06:56):
So the effective dose is like this zero point three
to zero point five literally, and people are dropping like
twenty milligrams a night, and you know it's okay. There
you get to a plateau point where it's just not
as effective. So what melatonin does for us is it
says it's nighttime, and that's all it does. It doesn't
say I'm going to keep you asleep or anything like that.

(01:07:17):
It just sets your clock and says it's nighttime great
for like if you've been working nights or if your
sleep's been off a little bit, just to use sparingly
every now and then. Now I use melotone in kind
of a combination with a couple other things a couple
of times, maybe one or two times a week, but
it's usually when I'm flipping or I haven't had a

(01:07:38):
good sleep and my body's just thrown off for a wheit.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
It's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
I'm more frequent than that. I probably should back it up,
but I but again, I've noticed so I take like
it's like a three milligram cheble that was too much
for me. I would I like take a third of that?

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
And where'd you feel it was too much? What time
of the day? Like I don't know, Like I didn't
want to wake up, Like I don't feel rested, Like
maybe it's too much of this stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:07:58):
I so I've about it twelve hour period that I
have to give myself where I'm going to be awake again, Yeah,
because I'm going to be groggy as hell if I
take something even one and a half milligrams, I'm going
to be groggy afterwards. So you kind of want to
take it a little bit earlier. Now the packaging will
say twenty to thirty minutes before you sleep. I give
myself a little more time if I'm only going to
be sleeping eight hours.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Yeah, yeah, now you really want to sleep, you know
some some NIGHTQ will four or five of those Talon
al pms and a half a like a fifth of
jim Beam and you're good. You sleep like not doctor baby,
like a baby. That's just all right, Doctor Sanjay. He's
our physician health food fitness at doctor Sanjay Sinci with
why two wives and there and thanks for coming to

(01:08:37):
this far. It's great to talk to you. I the
I love the intersection of medicine and health and just
common sense kind of stuff there.

Speaker 7 (01:08:43):
Yeah, I appreciate the time, Sloan. It's just it is
all one to me, and it all kind of feeds
into each other back and forth. You know, having a
better life while you're awake will make you sleep better
U versus. Yeah, so it's all health to me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
All right. Good, So weether that's on the regular I
think anyway, Doctor Sanjay, thanks you again. We got to
get to a news update. The NBA has apparently falling apart.
We have the mobsters, my people, Lakos on Ostra, Tony Soprano,
all those guys involved in the NBA. What details seconds
away here seven hundred ww Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
You don't want to be an American.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
I'm flowing in with you this morning out seven hundred WWT.
Somebody asked the question, I don't know who it was.
Why is the price of hospital services gone up two
hundred and twenty percent? I said, two hundred and twenty
percent since two thousand and that is roughly what four
times faster than inflation.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
There's a group called Hospital Facts at Org. They launched
an initiative to figure out why. And they think it's waste,
its fraud, its abuse at at hospital. Jerry Rogers is here.
Jerry's with a Real Clear Health, part of the Real
Clear system. Jerry, welcome to the show. How are you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
I'm I'm blessed, I'm good. You know it's it's not
just waste, fraud and abuse with the hospitals. It's it's
bad policy, it's bad business, it's bad health, it's bad science.
Because hospitals aren't part of the discussion in terms of
the healthcare system, we hear much about big, big band pharmo.

(01:10:11):
We hear about the insurance companies and all the rest
of it, but the hospital costs are breaking the budget.
Americans spend well over a trillion dollars on hospital costs.
And the reasons besides the fact that no one ever
discusses them in terms of Medicaid cuts, the healthcare systems
and all the rest. But it's also because of hospital consolidation,

(01:10:34):
because there's no transparency in pricing, the list of pricing
when you go imagine going to the grocery store and
nothing at no price is listed. This is what we
have in our hospital system. And of course also you know,
we have this it's called site neutral payment reform, which
would fix the fact that if you go to a

(01:10:54):
hospital for a Medicare procedure, get a shot, whatever it
might be, it costs more in the hospital than it
does the doctor's office because hospitals are fee for service,
so it's in their best economic interest to uh just
make the charges skyrocket for individual tests and therapies.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
I think that's a good point because in the past
I've talked about, you know, pharmaceutical companies, which certainly deserve
to get their investment back in R and D, and
I have you know, I look at big pharma pharmaceutical companies, go,
I get how the model is because they invest in
a tremendous amount of stuff ahead of before they can
start to take a profit off, and not not every
drug is profitable.

Speaker 4 (01:11:34):
I understand that three billion dollars. It's three billion dollars.
Everyone thinks about the blockbuster, blockbuster buster, blockbuster drugs. But
the fact of the matter is is that most big
medicines fail. And so you know, and it's a it's
a it's a fracture of the healthcare dollars. The major

(01:11:55):
costs in our healthcare system are hospitals, not medicines. Medicines
keep us out of the hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Yeah, that makes sense. The pharmacy benefit manager's got an
issue with them and insurance companies, but no one really
talks about, as you mentioned though, the hospitals themselves. When
you talk about hospital services, is that beyond or including
the actual physical treatment you get from a practitioner.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Well, here's the thing in terms of I mean, yes,
so God forbid, you have to be in the hospital,
and once you're there, they want to load you up
with various tests, whether you need them or not. Now, listen,
if there was a menu of prices, Hey sir, ma'am,
you're in the hospital, we might as well check for this. Okay,

(01:12:39):
what does it cost? No one can answer that question.
The technicians, the nurses, and there's practitions, the doctors, the
folks coming in and out. Even the business the business
associates of hospitals that you know, have you sign the paperwork,
can't tell you what things cost. So I'm not saying
that tests or therapies or items of the hospital does

(01:13:00):
for you while you're there are bad. No, but we
don't know what they cost. And again, we could fix this.
Yet Washington is very good at not fixing problems. They complain,
they cry, they whine, But this is a pretty easy fix.
And you know, again, demand and enforce price transparency. In

(01:13:20):
other words, when I'm at the hospital, I know what
things cost. Second is we should allow for a senior specifically,
or any patient to go to their doctor's office for
certain tests or interventions because it costs less. So this
is why you see the hospital consolidation because they want

(01:13:42):
to charge more. Medicare ironically will charge more or allow
for a higher payment for a test done in the hospital.
So our hospital is doing They're going around and they
are buying up medical practices. So therefore, when you go
to your doctor, you're really at the hospital and you're
paying the hospital as a network.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
So you see all these physicians groups that pop up
and it's by ex hospital. Well, that's exactly why it's
because it's more money for them and consolidation all that.
I don't know if it leads to better health outcomes,
but based on the metrics that we have now, Jerry Rodgers,
the answer would be no, we're getting sicker despite spending
more and more on healthcare costs in the United States
of America, and on that too. Could I just back

(01:14:21):
up a second, go all right, at first plus you
go on, okay, to what two hundred and twenty percent
cost increase is two thousand for healthcare or I guess
hospital services anyway goes up to two hundred and twenty percent,
four times faster than inflash, right. Could I blame that
on COVID and then the increased labor costs in the
shrinking job market, so you've got to pay labor more
to get people. And then of course baby boomers getting

(01:14:43):
old or ancient in some cases. Doesn't that all add
up to?

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
So why well, yes and no, right, COVID put a
strain on the system, but again because you made bad
political choices in it. During COVID, we actually drove medical
practices into bankruptcy. During COVID, we closed them down. We
made it more difficult for nurses and physicians and technicians

(01:15:07):
to serve during COVID because we had vaccine mandates. During COVID,
When we followed the science, things went well. When we
followed the politics, everything went sideways. And so, yeah, you're right,
there's after effects of COVID, but those were political choices,
not not health choices. Number one. But remember this too.
We have a shrinking position base because it's more it's

(01:15:29):
impossible to become a doctor in this country, the costs,
the liability, and also we're importing jobs for physicians and
nurses when we should be looking for homegrown talent. We're
not doing that. But here's here's the kicker though. It's
not just where we have too few doctors or nurses.
The fact is that we have too many administrators, too

(01:15:51):
many executives. I'll give you an example. The Cleveland Clinic
pays a million nonprofit hospital. But Cleveland Clinic pays a
million dollars piece to twenty two executives. In the same system,
the Cleveland Clinic, thirty individuals, executives, administrators get five hundred
thousand dollars a piece. These are huge salaries. This is

(01:16:14):
not money going to your health, not money going to doctors.
Are more nurses, money going to essentially pencil pushers. And
that's part of the problem too.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Jerry Rogers here from real clear health and cost of
hospital services has gone up two hundred and twenty percent
since two thousand, about four times Fastian inflation. And it's
fair to look at that and go why when it's
put in the context of well pharmaceutical companies gouging us
with pharmacy benefit managers insurance costs. But the hospitals themselves
are making some money here. Yet at the same time, though,

(01:16:45):
and here's the paradox, we have so many rural and
other hospitals closing right now. How do we explain that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
Well, again, it's because of three P forty B. You
mentioned PBM, So three forty B pricing is a mechanism
for rural areas, rural hospitals, they very poor the folks
who need care. There's a rebate or a discount that
hospitals are given. But what's happening instead is because of consolidation,

(01:17:14):
hospital systems are purchasing rural hospitals. They're getting the three
point forty B benefit, and they're not using it to
service the poor or the rural community. Rather, they're using
it to attract other consumers. Not you know, they look
at patients as consumers. And what's happening because the very

(01:17:35):
poor communities aren't being served, the facilities aren't being served,
the facilities closed. So you and you mentioned PVMs, the
pharmacy benefit benefit managers, so your listeners understand these are
middlemen who are profits servens who literally take profits I'm sorry,
who take rebas and discounts away from patients and they

(01:17:57):
keep them in pocket them themselves. Again, maybe thirty years
ago we needed the PBM system, I have no idea.
We certainly don't need it today. But part of the
reason why rural hospitals are closing and seeing a massive
problems is because of these middle men, because of three
forty B abusion of the three forty B program, and

(01:18:19):
there's lots of reasons and again these are all physical
right now before Congress, there are reforms for both three
forty B and the PBM crisis. Let's see what Congress does.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And we elect these clowns. Why why
are we We're sending them there? And they wind up
doing this to us and then they scream like their
hairs on fire. It seems like, you know, we got
a rial. We did a new bunch of elected officials.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
It sounds like Jerry again. I know, throw throw, throw
them out. But there are The problem again is is that, well,
we need to fix the whole system.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
I'm old enough to remember when Uke Dindrich became Speaker
of the House and he said, look, we're not going
to reform everything all at once. We have to get
to hold over bread. Let's get to slice here, sliced there.
And I think the same is true on healthcare costs,
on hospital costs, and that as we can do, we
can do. We can do slices of reform. For instance,
price transparency. Have hospitals, uh lift and be transparent about

(01:19:17):
their prices. How thought we heard that?

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Didn't we didn't? Didn't they say, oh, yeah, we've got choice. Well,
we enacted a law and a role that we don't.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
Enforce, thank you very much. And imagine if we enforce
the reforms already. But that's a choice, right, I mean, accountability, responsibility,
These are choices, and perhaps the laws doesn't have the
proper teeth or there is enough conversation about it. Look
how many people today waking up. There's so much going

(01:19:43):
on in the world, you know this, right, the world's
on fire. And so we don't care about hospital costs
or even healthcare costs until we have the word of
a doctor, and so it's not a sustained conversation. This
is the problem with the twenty first of a news cycle.
We're always going to the next bit, oh, to the
next big news story, and the problems that impacts us
every single day we forget about until it becomes an

(01:20:06):
urgent matter. So we need to focus on the importance.
So the importance never becomes the urgent. Once it's urgent,
then it's like, oh my goodness, what do we do?
And we quit and we and we just stopped talking
about it, and we just we just you know what,
I'll just pay the pay the bill. Well, it shouldn't
have to be that way.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Yeah, we can only remember three things at a time,
maybe two as we get older, and one if you're lucky.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
It might change to half a thing.

Speaker 8 (01:20:30):
I know that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
I joke with my kids, you know, what's the diet?
What's the diet sandwich? That half of.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
I can remember half a thing. But you know what
I do think we have to have a focused, sustained
conversation here. And it looks a lot of healthcare reforms
happening on a state level, and so folks and your
your listeners should be talking to their state legislators because
you put pressure on them to have reforms in the states. Remember, uh,
you know, federalism, states can do things that proved to

(01:21:00):
be a model for what Washington count do. I would
encourage your listeners to go out and contact your state legislators,
get involved in whether it's healthcare issues or or or
if it's policing, or it's criminal justice or whatever it
might be. Go and pressure your state legislators to do
the right thing. Because I used to work for a
state rep in New Jersey years ago, and I'm telling you,

(01:21:21):
every single day, dozens of constituents would drop in and
we listened to them we had to. They were they were,
they were present, and these were good conversations that moved
my boss to do things in the state capitol so
there we could get good outcomes. You know people. An
old friend of mine and my mentor at the Competive Enterprises,

(01:21:42):
Tod frend Smith, used to say that people in politics
are stupid because they're smart. In other words, they're paying
attention to they're paying attention to the to the things
that matter most of them, Uh, their tuitions, their their kids,
baseball practice, you know, putting dinner on the table. Uh,
And they don't think about the larger political things until
unfortunately it's too late. I would again encourage folks to
pay attention to these political things. But it does matter

(01:22:03):
to your personal life, It really does.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
And that's the thing. It's not the party politics. And
I've got to be on one side or the other.
And even if my guy or girl does something stupid,
I can never call them out. No, we were supposed
to do that. We've got to distrust government more, especially
at the more federal levels of that. And on that
point to you know, you brought something earlier, Jerry, about
hospitals or hospitalists anyway or doctors and ordering all these

(01:22:25):
tests and driving the cost. But that's also part of
the problem, right, It's because you have hospital administrators, you
have lawyers that they have that they're afraid of. You
had the federal and state governments all looking over your
shoulder before you even treat a patient, and so why
wouldn't you order a whole bunch of tests it may
or may not be needed, simply to cover your own ass.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
Exactly right. And what makes that problem worse, if that's possible,
is that insurance companies pay a fee for service. So
there there is a liability, legal, regulatory pressure to test
test tests, but there's also a stantial incentive to test

(01:23:04):
test test But here's the thing. You know, you know,
informed voters make good choices. Informed patients can make good choices.
So you know, if I understood, you're giving me this pill,
you're giving me this shot, you want to do an
echo cardiogram even though I'm even though I'm here for
my foot, Explain to me the cost, because maybe if

(01:23:26):
the cost is right, I might get the echo cardiogram
because I won't be back at the hospital anytime soon.
So there's a problem to figure it out. Well, you
can't give the consumer the patient, uh, the menu with
the price. Again, imagine going to a restaurant and sitting
down to eat dinner with your family and the waiter says,
what do you want? But there's no prices to the

(01:23:49):
to the menu items. I'd walk out of that restaurant.
But with hospitals, unfortunately, because we're sick, we're almost captured.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
I was in a hot I had a help you
break your leg, or you have cancer and aggressive what
do you know? You shop around? You could take six
months to get the best price going on price line
or you know consumer reports. What are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:24:09):
But that's again an excellent, excellent point. But the thing is,
once hospitals uh are held accountable for prices and this
price transparency. You're right, when I'm sick in the emergency room,
I can't shop around. But if the but if the
ethos is created, the hospitals are posting, then when I

(01:24:30):
when I do go in for something, elected when I
do go, uh, bring my you know my kid needs
stitches and there are three hospitals within driving distance, I
can then make choices and that will uh uh discipline
the entire system because competition will be introduced. Imagine price
competition again. I get it, emergency rooms, but even emerging

(01:24:52):
room cost prices will come down if hospitals are forced
to compete on prices.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Makes sense. He's Jerry Rogers. Jerry is with real clear
health and talking about why hospital services, just hospital calls
have gone up over two hundred and twenty percent in
the last twenty twenty five years, four times faster than inflation.
We talk about pharmacy benefit managers of big farm insurance companies,
but we got a factor of this and as well. Jerry,
all the best, Thanks for jumping in. Appreciate it all right, bye,

(01:25:19):
Appreciate the info news on the way four or five
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like basically well after the election, then we'll sort all
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Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
No, I'm got to catch up with my wife on
a Thursday Marrow. All the time, we talk all week.
What's going on? Are you there? Oh my god, she's
got Michelle Sloane come in.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
Hold on again.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
This is the problem that you bring your dog to work.
How much work do you actually get done? That's the question.

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
Hi, I'm back.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Does it bring your dog to workday.

Speaker 8 (01:27:02):
It is bringing your dog to work day. And there's
a dog next door to the office. I just tried
to open the door. He's still scratching. I'm just gonna
have to let it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Good boy, that's it. So he's got there's a dog
next door, and he's got to go get that dog.

Speaker 8 (01:27:17):
Well, he also wants to come in because I locked
him out of the studio that I'm in in my office.
And this is a new environment because we just made
it a little bit of a change. There's so much
change happening.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
Change, change, change, But that dog is not to be deterred. No,
I'm trying to go.

Speaker 10 (01:27:35):
They have the bring your dog to work. How much
work actually gets done? Actually, everybody do a lot of work.

Speaker 8 (01:27:43):
Well in bandit if the garbage cans aren't put on desks,
he's going to rummage through them to find it, to
see if there's any crumb available.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Got you, because he's a wee fat bastard.

Speaker 5 (01:27:57):
He's a good boy. Have we started? Are we on
the air?

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Well, I'm just sitting here waiting for you to get
your act together. You got dogs? You got I don't
know what's going on over there, but live radio.

Speaker 4 (01:28:11):
So yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
My wife Michelle Sloan, in case you haven't notice, is
here with with Bandit, who, by the way, is our
our lovely dog. That is a distraction. Nonetheless, what are
we talking about besides dogs, dog dog problems?

Speaker 8 (01:28:27):
Well, we're talking about changes in the weather. You know,
something happened last night when you were snoring?

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Yeah, do you know what it was? You were snoring louder?

Speaker 5 (01:28:36):
No, okay, no, the heat turned on.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
Oh you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
I woke up, so yeah, we knew her house. So
I woke up and I smelt something burning, Like immediately
your radar goes off, like oh, and then my you know, my,
my construction brain kicked and went. But the heat kicked on.
It's the dust gets on the essentially the dust of
collects in yeah yeah, yeah, on the heat exchanger, and

(01:29:01):
once it kicks on for the season, it burns off.
So what you're smelling is basically just dead skin and
dust mites and all that nasty stuff, and it burns up.
So you're smelling that. But in the middle of the
night when it kicks on, you're like, crap, what I'm
waiting for the smoke detectors to go off and you know,
I was on alert for a second and I realized, oh, yeah,
it's kicking on because fast warning, and I went back
to sleep.

Speaker 5 (01:29:22):
Oh I know, I can't believe.

Speaker 8 (01:29:24):
So this was that was the first heat turned on
because you had it on, you had the you had
our thermostat set to both.

Speaker 5 (01:29:32):
Cool and heat.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Yeah, it turned out on auto. This time of year,
you never know in Cincinnati what you're going to get.

Speaker 8 (01:29:38):
Right, So that way, if it gets above a certain temperature,
the air will come on. If it gets below a
certain temperature, the heat will come on. So we don't
know what it will be from hour to hour. We
could have heat overnight.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
In the exactly I don't know. You don't know because
it's Cincinnati. I will say this now this time of year,
you don't have to do this, but I like to
set the fan on on in the winter to kind
of bounced out because you have some cold spots maybe
and it'll you know, circulate the heat a little bit
better throughout the whole house.

Speaker 5 (01:30:13):
Okay, so on you like that?

Speaker 6 (01:30:15):
On?

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
Who doesn't like it on on? But you know, I
mean you could set it on auto. I suppose to
if you want. It depends on you know how old
your windows are, how draft your walls are. I mean,
there's a lot of considerations exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:30:26):
And now's also a good time if you want to
get a new thermostat. Honestly, sometimes if the thermostat isn't working.
We've noticed this with our rentals and that sort of thing.
The whole system gets wonky if that thermostatus has gone bad.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Yep, yeah, yeah. We got a thermostat that like it
was like a carrier furnace or something, and they don't
support it anymore. So I actually ordered a smart the
thermostat to put in. And I'm in the process of,
as you know, moving a new place, like okay, well
you got change your locks and stuff, so I kind
of did it. I want the smart route on our house,
and now having some integrated locks and things like that

(01:31:00):
just make it easier because we tend to sometimes be
forgetful about locking doors and such, and you can look
at it go oh yeah, the doors like garage doors
down that kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:31:08):
That's just an age thing.

Speaker 8 (01:31:10):
But programmable thermostats can also be very energy efficient, which
I feel like is is something that we all need
because the cost of everything is through the roof so
there was another change that happened in our life. You
actually have graduated from the scooter to a real shoe.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
I yeah, I saw my doctor, my pediatrist, doctor Samantha
Baker at christ who's wonderful. Their staff is amazing, she's great.

Speaker 5 (01:31:39):
That a good sense of humor, too, up with your crap.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
So yeah, I did it in like less than six weeks,
which I think is pretty good. Went from the surgery
to being able to walk around limp around a little bit.
It's weird because my caf is like a little sore,
but man, not having crutches. I talked about crutches the
other day, Michelle that with all the medical inventions we have,
take like a pig valve and put it in someone's heart,
and we have all these ais running your body, and

(01:32:04):
you've got this thing right, all this huge technology, the drugs,
the pharmaceuticals, R and D. It's incredible, and yet we
are still walking around with the device it was. I mean,
it goes back to before the Civil War. The crutches.
It's the worst invention ever. They tear up your forearms,
your arm pits or sore. You think we'd come up
with something better That's my point is you think someone
would be on top of that though, and there's isn't

(01:32:26):
there a better crutch, a better way to design a crutch?
I mean, I have the knee scoot. You put your
good knee on it or your bad knee on it,
I guess, and rolled around, But that's kind of clunky.
It's hard to get in another car. When I was
dress started driving myself to work, I just take crutches
because can't get it in and out. So, yeah, you
think of something. I was like, there's there's gotta be
something in the crutch realm that they're looking at, going,

(01:32:47):
we're going to come up with a new crutch.

Speaker 8 (01:32:49):
Right, you know what, Maybe you should do that and
then we can retire. Let's do a medical invention that
has never been imagined before.

Speaker 5 (01:33:03):
I really want to be.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
Yeah, I don't know what it would that would look like, Like,
I'm not sure. There's gotta be some way to do that.
A robotic type of foot thing. I don't know. I
don't know. I don't either outside of my scope.

Speaker 8 (01:33:14):
The reason why I talk about this change, so you're
you're you're standing on two feet again.

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
So that honeydew List baby is back.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
I know, wear out my other foot.

Speaker 8 (01:33:24):
Now, no, we're not going to do that, but we
you know, and it is that time of year when
we get when it gets cold, we have to think
about okay, cold weather, getting our home prepped for the
winter months.

Speaker 5 (01:33:38):
We don't want to hear about it, but we have to.
You have to think about it. And now's the time.

Speaker 8 (01:33:43):
We talked a little bit about your HVAC system, your HBAC,
the heating and cooling systems. So you're going to be
there's really nothing to do right to turn off the
AC or to winterize your AC unit.

Speaker 4 (01:33:56):
Is there No?

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Some people do put like 'l see people for their
outdoor unit. You don't want to do that because it
traps chat, traps moisture in there, which is bad for obviously,
you don't need to people. I've seen people do that before.
It's like, yeah, I got to put a tarp on
top of my outdoor. You know the big fan, the
big box that the condenser it's called. You want to
leave that, leave that exposuing, like I said, you know

(01:34:18):
in the winter. Now you know you could set auto
in the winter. A lot of people do that, but
I said, leave it on. But I would have to
qualify that by saying, if you have a whole house
humidifier that works a little bit better. If you have
immnification system, you want to leave it on because you're
humidifying the air, which is what you want, and it
might reduce some cold spots and things like that. But
typically most people just leave it to auto when they're fine.

Speaker 8 (01:34:38):
And the basic, basic, most basic thing that you can
do is replace your furnace filter.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
Correct, you should be doing that. Checking that filter. You
hold it up to like the light down in the basement,
and if you can see through it it looks dirty,
you're gonna replace it, that's all. If you can. If
you can't see through it, you got real problems. You
don't want that thing breaking down because it strains the
motor and then in this expensive repair calum we're trying
to save you money there, So don't do that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:01):
Absolutely, Okay.

Speaker 8 (01:35:02):
So the next thing I want to talk about, I
want to go actually outside of your home because now
we have the temperatures are nice enough during the day
to do some outside work, So now's a perfect time
to clean up your yard and trim the trees and
bushes around your house. You should never have vegetation touching

(01:35:23):
your home because it can lead to bugs coming in,
animals coming in, the climb up the things. So you
want at least a foot to two feet away from
vegetation and your house. And so a lot of people
they have their bushes and they're right up against the house.
They're touching the house. They have trees with limbs that
are overhanging onto your roof. When those big winds come

(01:35:48):
like we had last week, we had some serious winds,
and any of those branches that are a little bit brittle,
they're going to fall on your roof. They could cause
damage to your roof. So now is a perfect time
if you have to hire somebody to help you make
sure that the vegetation, any trees, shrubs, whatever, are at

(01:36:10):
least I'm gonna say, at least two feet away from
your home. The other thing is if you have that
growing ivy that has gotten out of control and it
is climbing up your the side of your house, and
it is the one of the worst things. I've talked
to people who are brick layers who if you're gonna

(01:36:33):
if it's gonna be coming up siding, it's gonna go
into and under the siding and into your walls and
into your home. I've seen it crawl into gaps in
people's windows, window wells.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
So yeah, I will destroy the brick.

Speaker 4 (01:36:51):
It will.

Speaker 5 (01:36:52):
It takes away the mortar, and it's it's bad. It's
just bad.

Speaker 8 (01:36:56):
And when I see us, there's a couple of our
new neighbors that have ivy climbing up the front of
their house. Actually, and some people think it looks really
cool in old school and whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:37:08):
No, just say no to ivy. That's what that's my
that's my tip for today.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
Well, eventually it's going to keep growing and growing. I wonder,
does I've never seen it get to the point where
gutters are I.

Speaker 8 (01:37:17):
Mean no, no, they've gone into attics before. I've seen actually,
I've seen it crawl into attics. I've seen it actually
crawl through walls, through cracks and walls and on some
of the really older homes in Cincinnati, and I've seen
it crawl through. And then it's then they leave these
little suckers behind the little their little tentacles, and it's

(01:37:39):
a mess. So now's a good time. You know, you're
going to have to make sure that you're cutting it
off at the base, but then you have to remove it.
It may need some power washing. It's not an easy
task to get rid of because it's pretty invasive. But
it is so bad for your house. And so today's
to my message today and I'm going to be talking

(01:38:00):
about this on my podcast, just say no to ivy.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
Yeah, people see like you know, old homes in the
Northeast at Wrigley Field. But keep in mind, you know
that that that ivy wall is it's by design. It
takes a lot of people to maintain. They maintain that
all the time. It's built for that. Your house wall
for the ivy the house is veneer brick. So it's
a whole different yeah. Yeah, and the English, the Boston
ivy is terrible for your house too. And the other

(01:38:25):
thing too is it also will trap moisture against sighting,
so you're looking at mold and rot and things like
that as well termites. It's the whole as for disaster.
You don't want to do it.

Speaker 8 (01:38:36):
No, Yes, So there you go if you if you
want to tune in for me, just you have you
have at against green Bean castro all I have one
against ivy.

Speaker 5 (01:38:49):
I hate I hate the climbing ivy.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
You can cut it down and kill it and let
it die and then kind of you know, fall and
but the but the like the stickers remain behind.

Speaker 8 (01:38:57):
The little suckers will remain for quite a while. And
that's and it looks bad too.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
I mean, why some people, you know, you're looking to
go with ivy wall that's kind of stately and stuff,
But it's it's a lot worse then. You know, the
offset of the aesthetic is far worse.

Speaker 5 (01:39:12):
So if it's a garden wall, you know, if you
have a moat around your.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
House, well, now, if you really want to do it,
you can attach a trellis and stand it off the
side of the house.

Speaker 8 (01:39:23):
But again, is it going to be at least a
foot away from the house, because it's gonna climb, and
it's gonna climb across your trellis and it's going to
climb into your home and it's gonna no, just just
say no.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
Well, and they're like, well, why did that even start
in the first place. I didn't look at the history
of it, but I would guess it's because back of
the day people we're also lazy.

Speaker 8 (01:39:42):
It's well, absolutely, well, if you put ivy in your
in your landscaping beds, and it looks cool because it's
just it climbed, It grows and it spreads and it's
not too tall.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
You're also spending We spent five minutes talking about that.
Maybe seven people have so that's a lot of iv anymore.
Do you see that much?

Speaker 5 (01:40:04):
I see it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
I'm telling you, okay, in your dreams, you see it anyway?
What else you got? Cold weather home maintenance? Get rid
of it, by the way. Let me remind you at
some other point, because it's still I mean, it still
very real. Early, make sure you take off the faucets
on the outside of your house. If youve got a
hose attached to outdoor, a faucet, the hose bib, you
got to take that off. Even if it's a frost
free silcock. You got to unscrew that, take the hose off,

(01:40:28):
and then take the hose and put it like in
the garage, or make sure you drain it all the
way too, because you know, you drag that in the
garage or you put it wherever. It's still got water
and it's all nasty. So let the hoses drain out
and then you know, put it down the driveway for
a minute. Let's let gravity do its job well.

Speaker 5 (01:40:41):
And if you wait until it's frozen, it's harder to
get that off.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
You say, you're not gonna Well, what happens is even
though frost rat So what happens that the freezes inside
the hose itself and then because cold water ice expands,
it pushes itself back up the line into the house.
And you don't want that. It creates that that generally freeze.
It could wind up breaking a pipe on the inside
of the house. So you know, even if you have

(01:41:04):
a frost free one of these things most houses do,
and you may not if you have an older house.
You just got to be aware of that and make
sure you know, take the hostes off. It's the best
thing you can do.

Speaker 8 (01:41:12):
Right exactly. Okay, how much time we have left? Because
I do have like three or four more things. You
talked about ivy way too long.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
So this is on you again. It's poor planning in
your part.

Speaker 10 (01:41:20):
It's like you, you, But I think it's pretty interesting.
We got to get to the airport, Michelle ohing cawn,
but I'm out of gas. Stopping that isn't anything to
do with the house.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
Poor planning in your part. You spent way too much
time talking about IVY.

Speaker 5 (01:41:33):
It's fine, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Get you get your carbon monoxide right, get your smoke detectives.
You saved the time. We should save the carbon monoxide
the smoke detectives for next week, when or when the
time change happens, like a week or two.

Speaker 5 (01:41:49):
Okay, probably we're out of time.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Yeah, because your dog. Your dog is probably crapping in
the corner right now.

Speaker 8 (01:41:56):
Oh no, he scratched up the door at the office.
I can hear something else. You're gonna have to fix her.
I'm just gonna have the rent here forever.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
Who fixes the stuff at your office? This guy? Great? Awesome?
You can't control your doctor.

Speaker 5 (01:42:08):
All right, you're feeling better and you have two legs.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
Now, now crawl, you're asked to work. My wife, who
I love dearly, is Michelle Sloansloan Salesholmes dot Com, Open
the House Show and Remax time in Mainville. You can
catch the podcast be the iHeartRadio app. But of course
the show on YouTube as well. There's fascinating guests and
stuff too. She does hours and upon hours talking about IVY.
All right, I gotta get going. I'll see you later.
I love you. Gotta go, gotta go because I've got

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