10-24-25 Scott Sloan Show

Scott talks with Dan Hoard and Austin Elmore about this weekends Bearcats and Bengals games. Also Steve Goodin debates why city leadership suspended the police chief before the investigation into her performance had begun. Finally Ken Belson explains how the NFL has become a cultural giant.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do you want to be an American idiot?

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Only seven hundred WLW the weekend. It's here. You can
smell it, you can taste it, you can hear it coming.
And thank God because we have football, football, and football
and more football. As the Bengals try to get to
five hundred and the Bearcats go for seven straight on that,
the voice of both Dan Horr jumps in this morning
on the Big One. Danny, It's been a interesting week,
to say the least, sports wise. I let me begin

(00:25):
real quick. I'm going to put you on the spot
as I usually do. Your take on this NBA scandal.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Well, obviously surprised by some of the people that are involved,
most notably Portland's head coach Shauncey Billups. But when you
embrace gambling to the extent that professional sports leagues have,
it seemed inevitable to me that at some point something
like this was going to happen. So in that sense,
I can't say that I'm shocked.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
What strikes me is the stupidity of the bets that
were being placed, because we know, you know, if you're
a professional giving, you know, they monitor all these algorithms,
watching social media, doing all this stuff is. Remember the
scandal that sort of involved that. You see Bearcat baseball
team of the guy from was It Alabama was betting
on Alabama and put like one hundred thousand dollars down
to sports book ATPA. You know they're gonna flag that.

(01:13):
They're going to see that instantly. Now, the X ray
poker tables, that's a different story. I got to go
to Watson's to give me an X ray poker table.
That's pretty cool. That was incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, so basically face down cards can be seen. Wow
with an X ray table. I remember the X ray
glasses in the back of comic book. When I was
a kid, I never sprung for a pair. They always
looked intriguing.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
If I were sitting at a table, my concern would
be cut in the game and it'd be like, wait
a minute, you had an X ray device on where
I'm sitting near my crotch for how many hours? That's
a real problem. That's a different problem anyway. Uh, that's
the stuff I worry about. Let's pivot to. Let's start
with you see this morning break it up simply because
you've got to give them love there on a heater,
like we haven't seen in a long time. Good for

(01:56):
Sadderfield because he's been in a hot seat. Let's face it,
looking a rip off. A seventh straight win. They dismantled
the Cowboys in front of shirtless students was arguably it
was one of the coolest college football things I've seen
because they were getting pounded and these students were still
going nuts with their shirt off, shirts off. Bearcat said
at number twenty one in the AP their bowl eligible
now early on in this thing, and they got homecoming

(02:17):
against Baylor at four o'clock and you on the call.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Great opportunity for Cincinnati to keep moving toward possibly playing
in the Big twelve Championship game at the end of
the year. In Dallas, they've got five games left in
the regular season. Three of the five are at home,
which is good, including tomorrow's four o'clock homecoming game. If
you go into the brand new palatial UC indoor practice facility,

(02:43):
there are TV monitors on the wall that list their
fourteen goals and the fourth and final thing listed is
simply one word, Dallas. That's what they've been focused on,
trying to get to the Big twelve Championship game in Dallas.
It seems far fetched to many the beginning of the year. Cincinnati,
certainly outside of this area, is not expected to compete

(03:04):
for the Big twelve title. But they're legit. This is
not fluky. They've got a great offense, they've got an
opportunistic defense. It'd be nice to see the defense get
off the field a little bit more frequently on third
and fourth down. But having said that, it's a legitimately
good team and it should be a great game tomorrow
because Baylor scores a ton of points, so it couldn't
shoot out.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, they average like over thirty six points per game.
That could be a challenge for the for the SINCD.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
No doubt.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Baylor's quarterback Sawyer Robertson leads the nation in passing yards.
He's tied for first and touchdown passes. Now, their defense
has really struggled. They're giving up more than thirty points
a game. So I would expect Cincinnati's offense to be
able to go up and down the field, but defense
is going to have to get some stops for the
Bearcat to pull it up.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, and with Brandon Soarsby, of course, it just feels
like he's going to be a you know, fifty two
to forty two shootouts. This guy, it has a feel
all over.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Maybe not quite the high I'm going that high.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
I love the score. I'm a freak for the touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, you know, they've had a couple of games this
year where both teams scored in the thirties. They beat
Kansas thirty seven thirty four. They beat Iowa State thirty
eight to thirty. I wouldn't be surprised if it's something
like that.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, all right, So that is tomorrow homecoming at the
Universe Cincinnati. Tony Pike getting entered in the Hall of Fame,
which is pretty cool to see pikeer doing that.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, it's a tremendous weekend for my broadcast partners.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Tony Pike goes into the UC Hall of Fame tonight.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
That ceremony is tonight, and of course Laugh goes into
the Bengals Ring of Honor on Sunday at halftime with
Leap and Lamar Parish. So I'm a crier, sloany, I
get about these things. So if you hear me get
choked up on either broadcast, you'll know.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
What that's awesome. Yeah, Well, you're a good guy and
you deserve now and and your day is I think
at some point, I mean, you're ready the UC You're
gonna be the Ring you honor next year. I'm voting
Dan Horde Ring of Honor twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
I am not eligible and I do not belong that
should be reserved or former players, coaches or the guy
who started the franchise, Paul Brown. Aside from that, I
don't think any other name should be up on the ring.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Bock.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Let's jump to that game on Sunday, on Dave Lapham Day.
Let's talk about the three and four Bengals six and
a half point favorites over the hapless Jets are oh
and seven. But a coach will tell you, we look,
there's any no more dangerous team than an OH to
seven club. That said, Dan, it's just what the injuries
I have. I don't know how the Jets pull this off.
I really don't.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, less the injuries for me than it is the quarterbacks.
So Justin Fields and Tyrod Taylor are not about to
be confused with Montana Marino and Uniteds or Flaco. Justin
Fields has been or Flack or Justin Fields has been dreadful.
They switched to Tyrod Taylor at halftime of their lost
last week. Neither quarterback led the team to a touchdown.

(05:49):
Their owner, Woody Johnson, blasted Justin Fields earlier this week,
basically defending his coach by saying how lousy his quarterback is.
So that's atypical FORFL owner to do that. So the
quarterback play has been bad. I do think their defense
is good. They've only given up thirteen points in each
of the last two games, so it might be difficult
for the Bengals to put a big offensive number.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
On the board.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
But I wouldn't expect either of those quarterbacks to lead
the Jets to a bunch of points.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
I mentioned the injuries, and we're kind of, you know,
a homecoming if you will, on homecoming weekend for Sauce
Gardner doesn't look like he's going. He's got a concussion
and you may recall I think that it was twenty
twenty two, I believe, and he single handedly shut down
the Chase in Higgins.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
He's one of the best corners in the NFL. He's
being paid like he got a huge extension prior to
this season, and we all know what he's capable of
from his tremendous career at UC so, Yes, that is
a gigantic loss for the Jets as they try to
contend with Plac o' higgins, Chase, etc.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, that's a problem. And then on the other side
of the ball for them, I mentioned the injuries. Garrett
Wilson has the knee. More than one in four completions
have gone his way. He's twenty fifth in receivers in
the league right now as a first rounder out of
the Ohio State. But is he going to be interrupted?
We know yet, I think out.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
According to a Rich Samini, who covers the Jets for ESPN,
my former college classmate at Tyracuse University, he says he
expects Garrett Wilson to be out partly because of any injury,
partly because they have a bye next week, so this
would give him a couple of weeks. And he missed
last week's game, so it would give him three weeks
to recover from that injury. And if you look at
the Jets receiving corps beyond Garrett Wilson, there's no doubt

(07:28):
it's the worst in the NFL. I mean, Alan Lazard,
the former Green Bay Packer, is on that roster.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
But he's on the back nine.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Josh Reynolds is probably their second best wide receiver and
he's not very good. So this is a very poor
receiving group once you remove Garrett Wilson.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, plus you have Tyrod Taylor in there too, and
you just look at it and you think the Bengals
can feast the area concerned. Of course, Preece Hall, running
back top twenty yards per carry, got stopped to run
on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
All is the best player on the offense, especially with
Garrett Wilson out, and you know, he's a great player.
Replaced David Montgomery at Iowa State as the running back,
and much like David Montgomery, he's proven to be an
excellent NFL player. So yeah, there's no doubt about it.
Looking at that offense, that's the person that you put
a gigantic circle around as the number one priority to

(08:23):
shut down or at least, you know, hold them to
reasonable numbers. And if the Bengals do that, I think
the Jets are really struggle to score.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, and I think you look at that the pass
protection Jets have getten up thirty one sacks through seven games,
of the worst of the NFL. The old line is terrible.
You've got a less mobile Tyrod Taylor in there. You
would expect it to be a really, really good day
for that Bengals.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Dealon offensive line, well, let me backtrack. Stacks are not
just an offensive line that. It's a quarterback stat too,
and I do think one of the reasons why they've
given up so many sacks is justin fields. As mobile
as he is, holds on to the ball for ever. Yeah,
he doesn't see it like the elite quarterbacks do. So

(09:03):
I would expect Tyrod Taylor to get rid of it
quicker and that'll make it more difficult to get to him.
But your point is right, it's not a great offensive line.
They haven't invested first round picks in both tackles, and
I think both of those guys will eventually be good,
but they're not there yet.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Dan Horde, voice of the Bengals and the Bearcats. Big
weekend for both teams of the Jets in town. We're
pivoting on that right now. We're talking about that right now.
I also look at the quarterback matchup too, and we'll
rewind of the Steeler game. To me, and I'm sure
you're the same. The best thing about last week's was
how angry What was going through Mike Tomlin's head walking
from the locker room to the bus and thinking how

(09:42):
Cleveland probably should have got I don't know, like a
half a win with that one for trading him to us,
and right before the Steelers it was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
I would buy a ticket for the Mike Tomlin Andrew
Berry fight.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Can we just put up a.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Boxing ring in the middle of an NFL stadium and
that a Steelers coach square off against the Cleveland Browns
GM That would be very entertaining. Mike Common definitely wanted
a piece of him after that game last Thursday night.
And yes, thank you Cleveland for trading Joe Flacker to
the Bengals. Bengals fans are chanting that, yep. After the
game when Joe Flacco was interviewed by the Amazon Prime crew,

(10:18):
thank you Cleveland. So it turned out to be a
great trade, at least so far. He's been spectacular in
his last six quarters and you're hoping he keeps it
up On a Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Yeah, the ghost of Paul Brown rising up and beating
the Steelers. I absolutely love it. What was that most
surprising aspect of that game last week with the Steeler
went for you, Dan.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Really just how easy it looks for Flacco right now.
I mean the simple fact that he was able to
come in here on a Tuesday, hould his first practice
on a Wednesday, and play well in the second half
against Green Bay in Week one, and then have a
short week in Week two and it looks like he's
been here for five years instead of you know, at

(11:00):
that point nine days. So the fact that he's playing
at such a high level with so little time invested
with the Bengals, that's what's most remarkable to me.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
He had a called him the goat for two reasons,
you know, the grismelter, but also the fact that you know,
like like in in the horse racing, you is, they
have like a goat that hangs out in the stables
to kind of keep be a but kind of calmed
down the horse a little. He had that effect on
the place because early on, you know, people are jumping
off size. There's Chase Brown wrapped that easy ball and
I was like, oh man, here we go. And then
he just had this like I got this, it's calm, calm,

(11:30):
this hole is this own the zen thing he had
going down, and the team like bought in and he
just calmly, let drives up and down the field all night.
It was to me that was at presence. He's just like,
it's okay, I've seen worse. We got this. He settled
everybody down.

Speaker 6 (11:43):
I think.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Joe Burrow is Joe cool, Joe Flacco is Joe calm.
That's the effect that he's had on the team. He
is unflackable. And if you prefer that as you're a
lion about you know, just the presence that he's provided.
But I think that's absolutely true, and they needed it.
Jake Browning's confidence was shot. The coaches and players had

(12:07):
lost confidence in him, partly because of his play, or
largely because of his play, but also just because you
could hear it in his voice. He had completely lost confidence.
So Joe Flacco has come in and instantly changed that vibe.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
And of course he's offset and for the second week
in Row an older quarterback, certainly not to the age
of the previous week, or is it, but by tyro
Tap has been on a week for a long time
as well. When we heard that the Jets are going
with him instead, how does that change things relative to
the game plan for Sunday.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
It doesn't really change much because the Jets offense doesn't
change much. But I do think it makes the Jets
more of a threat, only because that's how lousy Justin
Fields had been playing. You know, the Jets are struggling
in every way offensively, the one that matters is points
and they haven't scored a touchdown in two weeks. So Field,

(13:00):
you look at his NFL career, he's been good as
a running quarterback, but he's never really been good as
a passing quarterback. I think if you look it's the
last five years. If you look at the three teams
in the last five years that had averaged the fewest
passing yards to this point of the year, I know
it's kind of a wordy stat but in any case,

(13:21):
those three teams were all quarterback by Justin Field. So
if this year's Jets and two of the teams where
he was the starting quarterback with the Bears, those three
teams had the lowest passing yards per game at this
point of the season in the last five years. So
that tells you that Justin Fields is just not a
good passing quarterback period.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
As bad as this team is, and we just discussed
all the Jets injuries as well. The Bengals are not
nearly as bang up. Obviously two be one being down.
But Trey Hendrickson on that hip has been limited all
week is does it just make more sense to rest
him and then give Shamar Stewart more reps? Now? Granted,
Shamar Stewart is not where he needs to be at
this point in his young career, but it feels like
a gamer, you should do that.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
It all depends on how serious the injury is. You know,
Trey reportedly wanted to play last week, so he continues
to be limited practice. They're going to evaluate that based
on just how serious this hip injury is. But if
they determine that he's had no risk to make it
worse and feels like he can play, you can't afford

(14:25):
to lose at this point to a team that's winless
at home. So if Trade thinks he can play and
the medical staff says, you know what, it's ready at
this point, I'd play him.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
We didn't talk at all about Chase Brown, who lit
up the Steelers last game. All of a sudden, it
was like a light switch got flipped to expect more
of that this week.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
No, I don't know if the Bengals are going to
rush for more than one hundred and forty yards again,
but I do think that they're going to have a
lot more than they had prior to last week's game.
I don't think they had top sixty if I'm not mistaken,
in the previous games, So let's get that number into
triple digits at least. I think they found something that
the offensive line in the Pittsburgh game, and hopefully it
continues because they need to have some sort of a

(15:05):
running threat. That's one of the reasons why Flacco is
so effective. Against the Steelers, they finally had a running threat.
Chase Brown average nearly ten yards to carry. He's not
going to do that again, but you know, for much
of this year it was under three. So I thought
the running game actually showed some signs of life against
the Packers. I think they averaged more than four yards
to carry in that game, and then they got to

(15:28):
a point where they had to throw it in the
second half. But it's showing signs of life. It was
really good last week, and hopefully it'll at least be
solid on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Yeah, you would think so. In better blocking helps. They
blocked a lot better against Pittsburgh than they have in
a couple of games. Also, it's this time of year,
the trade deadline coming up. The Logan Wilson thing is
I don't guess. I think it's just noise. I mean,
it seems like every team or most teams have something
like that going on. Logan Wilson gets bench, he requests
the trade in pretty clearly. You know, Bear Carter, Demetrius
Knight being rookies and all that. But that's the future.

(15:59):
And of course he was bench before the Green Bay game,
so we'll see. I'm sure there's some teams where he
makes a fit. There's a fit, But I know that
was a big storyline this week, and I just thought
I just point that out, and there's no observation he
needed there. Dan, It's that time of year, we're going
to the trade though.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
The one thing I'd say about Logan Wilson is that
I don't expect him to be a problem, even though
he has requested a trade. You know, I can't blame him.
He wants to start, He's lost his starting job. He's
only twenty nine years old, but he's not the type
of guy that is going to tank or be a headache.
You know, we remember Carlos dunlap Burn bridges on his

(16:37):
way out the door. That's not going to happen with
Logan Wilson. Maybe they make a deal if the right
offer is out there, but I don't know. It kind
of feels to me like it's more likely that, you know,
he's part of this team for the rest of this year,
and then maybe at the end of the year, with
one year left on a deal, they see if they
can make a trade, then all right.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
He is a busy man this weekend and his partner's
getting inducted in the respective well the Ring of Honor
for Dave Lapham and the UC Hall of Fame for
our own Tony Pike. And he is the constant between both.
He is the conduit between excellence. That would be Dan Cord.
It all goes through your fingers, Dan, all through all
goes through your vocal cords. Congratulations.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Don't congratulate me, but congratulate them because it's well deserved.
Looking forward to being them for Tony's event tonight onlo
with the five other former Bearcats that will go into
the Cincinnati Sports Hall of Fame and then obviously Lap
and Lamar Parrish on Sunday. That's going to be awesome.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
All right, Well you enjoy it. I know you will.
Danny all the best, Thanks.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Buddy, Thanks Tony, thanks for having me on you, sir.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
We'll do News on the Way in just minutes on
the home of the best Bengals coverage and the Bearcats
seven hundred WLWD, Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Now.

Speaker 7 (17:48):
A man who has entertainment reporting of coursing through his veins,
which makes them a medical offity.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
He is ABC Will Gangs from New York.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
He has a few things. What's going on movie and
music wise? Anyway? And Will Ganson's back from his ABC
Good Morning America three world tour. Well, how you doing, buddy.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
I'm exhausted.

Speaker 7 (18:10):
The life of a celebrity has really caught up to me,
you know.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Pretty impressive though. He's talking to me and now he's
doing Good Morning America and stuff, and now he's back
and trying to balance both. I get it because you know,
in this day in media umpires, we have to wear
a lot of hats and keep a lot of balls
in the air juggling. Why so I appreciate you. Let's
jump in with this one because I saw the trailer.
I like Bruce Springsteen a lot. I don't think I'm

(18:35):
a fangirl, but I love Bruce Springsteen and Jeremy Allen
White of Bear Fame is starring as him in the
new movie called Deliverabently from Nowhere. I saw the trailer
and when I learned he's singing, because sort of thing
you want to find out is does he do the
singing in here too? Now all these sings, he also
plays guitar too, doesn't he?

Speaker 7 (18:52):
Yeah, so he you know, as he pointed out, we
know him from the Bear so we know he does
that sort of torque artists thing very very well, and
he is bringing that in, you.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Know, full forth to this movie.

Speaker 7 (19:07):
Yes, so he is singing, He is playing instruments and stuff.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
They do mix in a little bit.

Speaker 7 (19:11):
Of Bruce's original vocals, which I think, you know, for
fans of Bruce Springsteen that will you know, that goes
a long way also. But the thing with this movie
is like I was sort of anticipating, you know, a big,
like bold, like feels like.

Speaker 8 (19:26):
You're front row and a concert sort.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Of movie, and it's a lot more.

Speaker 7 (19:31):
Introspective, and you know, it's Bruce working on the Nebraska album,
so it's after his first tour and he's sort of
on the brink of becoming the superstar that we know
he'll become, but he's dealing with a lot.

Speaker 8 (19:43):
Of his own like ener demons and stuff as well.

Speaker 7 (19:45):
So you know, there is great stuff for fans of
Bruce Springsteen, little easter eggs and stuff where you're like, oh,
this is where he got the inspiration for that song
that he'll write, you know, twenty years later or whatever.
So it's in movie theaters this weekend. It's and it's
getting a lot of Oscar buzz already for Jeremy Allen
White for playing Bruce Springsteen, so you know, if you're

(20:06):
looking to see something in theaters this week, and I
think it's a pretty solid choice.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
I had a good time watching.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
The sound is amazing. I mean, he his vocals are
really really strong. I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 7 (20:17):
I know, and I guess you know, he was sort
of worked with and hand selected by Bruce Springsteen to
some extent, So you know, I think when when you're
sort of taken in the fold in that way, you
better sound pretty great, right, and I think he nailed it.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool. And you know, just kind
of known about Nebraska. The album itself, he like really
wasn't supposed to be think it was a demo. Basically
he's recording and just recording stuff on a on a
simple recorder, wasn't even a studio, and he said, now
we're gonna we're going to release elect That a huge
gamble for the record company. And if you if you
know it was coming with the next album, of course
in eighty four would be born in the USA, and

(20:53):
a number of the songs that he wrote that would
have been he left off and then turned out, you know,
like Glory Days, for example, is on the ultimately one
of the biggest albums of the eighties, if if not
all the time, and that's born in the USA, So
you see the seeds of that that thinking, and it's
all coming out in Nebraska.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Really neat exactly exactly.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
So it's it's a really you know, it's a good,
great movie for fans of Bruce and a and a
really great movie for people who.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Don't maybe know that that much about him.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
How much in the is the East Street Band featured
in that.

Speaker 7 (21:26):
It's I would say, it's more about Bruce and his
like early relationships with like women and his mom and stuff,
and his manager is in it as well. But the band,
you know, not not so much. It's really more of
like a yeah, more I would say, like personal and
interpersonal like relationship.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
If you expect to be like the Queen or the
Elton John one, that's not the case.

Speaker 7 (21:52):
That's exactly correct. That's exactly correct.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, gotcha. So I don't prepare to be disappointed. Is
that what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
No, No, it's just it's a different type of movie.
It's you know, it's it's yeah, well it's a.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Worth of twenty bucks or whatever it's going to cost
me to go see.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
This thing, I would say, yes, definitely.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Is it an IMAX too?

Speaker 8 (22:13):
I actually I don't have the answer for you there.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
I yeah, yeah, good question.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, it's just have to see. I mean, you want
to see it. It's like if you like the music,
you want to see in the big screen because it's
it's show so immersive. Well, gance in New York this morning,
So deliver me from nowhere is a go I know that.
Adam Brody of course that Oscar. But Kristen Bell, nobody
wants this. That's on Netflix right now. What's that about?

Speaker 8 (22:34):
Yeah, so this is season two.

Speaker 7 (22:36):
So season one came out back in November December, and
we're already at season two.

Speaker 8 (22:41):
But this show sort.

Speaker 7 (22:42):
Of blew up in a way that nobody thought it would.
It was nominated for a ton of Emmys this year,
Kristen Bell and Adam Brody and the show itself was
nominated for Best Comedy. So this is the one that's
based on a true story. She played a podcaster who's
not really religious at all and ends up meeting a
rabbi at a party and they end up falling for
each other. So season one ended basically with them saying,

(23:05):
you know what, let's try and make this happen. You know,
despite not really fitting into each other's you know, personal lives, families,
you know, work relationships are all sort of thrown into
the air because of this relationship. And season two picks
up with them trying to make it work, and each
episode is only about half an hour.

Speaker 8 (23:22):
It's really sweet, really funny.

Speaker 7 (23:24):
The soundtrack is actually like a ton of fun as well.
So this, you know, for anyone who wants to stay
in and only has a little bit of time and
can catch an episode here or there. It's a lot
of fun this show. Nobody wants to Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Because when I fell in was in love with my rabbi,
it was a lot more dramatic and it didn't work
out right, right.

Speaker 7 (23:43):
Everyone can relate to falling in love with their rabbi.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, it's the tale as old as time.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, I'm a gentle I'm not even close to Jewish,
but you know, I understand what else you got.

Speaker 7 (23:55):
So they announced yesterday that the last episode of Stranger
Things of the entire series, is going to theaters the
same day that the episode starts streaming on Netflix. So
for anyone who maybe forgot what happened, you know, season
four of Stranger Things came out over to like.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
About two years ago.

Speaker 7 (24:12):
So I am recommending rewatching. I have been rewatching from
season one all of Stranger Things, because the final season
will drop about a month from now. And you know,
some estimates say that there they spent sixty million dollars
per episode of this last season making the show, Yeah, yeah,

(24:33):
come to life, and so it's gonna be huge.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
It's gonna be epic.

Speaker 7 (24:37):
And it's gonna be a movie theaters, So you know,
it's I have I've had such a fun time rewatching
the show and reminding myself you know, why I loved it,
why it's really been boundary breaking, and why Netflix has
invested so much into it. So yeah, if if you
have some time to kill, uh, you know, the final
season will drop right before Thanksgiving, the first part of

(24:58):
that season, so you know, have about a month if
you want to rewatch the first four seasons.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's I think the reason
why and we can talk about why it's so iconic.
I think just because it really captured the whole eighties
aesthetic really well. It wasn't like campy or anything like that.
It was it's really well.

Speaker 7 (25:15):
Done exactly, and even the way they fold in some
sort of eighties familiar faces. Of course, Winona Ryder plays
the mom, and then they have guest appearances from you know, Sean.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Aston who was in the Goonies and you.

Speaker 8 (25:28):
Know, things like that, and then in the last season.

Speaker 7 (25:31):
The there will be some guest appearances as well from
other eighties icons.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
So you know, I think it's it is it.

Speaker 7 (25:39):
Really does a good job with that eighties you know
aesthetic and vibe and even the music you know, pays
homage to that time as well.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Plus it's so weird, right, you got horror and sci
fi and mystery and it's a coming of age drama.
You get like it's it's hitting all and normally it's
way too that'd be way too confusing, but they make
it work.

Speaker 7 (25:56):
Exactly, and parts are very funny too, and and you know, heartwarming.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
So yeah, it is like it blends those.

Speaker 7 (26:02):
Genres really really well, and it's well acted also.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yeah, and if you think about it too, I mean,
this was the first season. I want to say, was
it twenty fourteen, twenty somewhere in there, but it really
felt like this is the one. Like the Sopranos made Hbo.
This felt like this is what made Netflix.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
To me, I think you're right on the money with that, exactly.

Speaker 7 (26:22):
This was when I was like, oh, okay, like I
should be paying a subscription to watch this show.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yep, right exactly. He is will Gans, ABC News multi
platform guy in New York. He does it all. Go
see him on GMA three at will Gans with two
Wes's and deliver from Nowhere looks like the hit that
people are pretty I think it's gonna do pretty well
the box office. And then you got options on the
small screen as well. Appreciate it. Well, we'll talk next week.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Man, all right, have a great weekend.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
You as well. You as well, you as well. So
there you go. Stranger things got that. Nobody wants this,
and it's kind of like the Jets. Nobody wants us.
We got that on Sunday and you see football tomorrow.
So hey man, he got sports, he got stuff to do.
I think I'm gonna go to the theater. It's some
I don't know, maybe not this weekend. At some point
I'm gonna go see Delivered Me from Nowhere. I haven't
been in the theater in a long time. Like that

(27:08):
seems to me like the one to go see because
it's gonna sound great. And who isn't a Jeremy Allen
White fan. I mean, if you saw Shameless, that was
what he made him. Let's put it that way. He's like, woh,
this guy's a great actor. And then he does the Bear,
which is as good in a different way. I thought
the last season wasn't as good as the previous ones.

(27:30):
But it was still pretty good. And now he's Springsteen,
So those are the things you're like, I kind of
got to go see him because he is a hell
of an actor. And if he's doing the singing and
the guitar, and if you've seen some of the clips
on social the vocals are it's incredible. It's like you
think you're watching Bruce Springsteen and a lot of the
facial features and gestures, he really has him down, did

(27:51):
a really really job with it. The storyline, I'm just curious,
is it two inside Baseball? Like Nebraska is not the
biggest reason why they're doing I guess it's story behind it.
But anyway, if you're a fan of music, he got that,
we got football this weekend, we got movies, got it
all going on. Let's get a time out in It's
the Scott Sloane Show. In about four minutes here on
seven hundred WLW will get into the NBA scandal and

(28:15):
some observations about that, and particularly the day after the
NBA season starts right by this is when the FBI
decides that they're going to overshadow all of that with
this scandal. I think it's an interesting timing and why
we'll get into and just minutes here slowly back and
forth on seven hundred WLW, seven minutes away from news

(28:39):
on this Friday morning, seven hundred WLW is so far
nice and quiet, like we like it, like we like it.
Steve Gooden, who is a consul CANDI, former councole person
and attorney, a little analysis on what the city just
did relative to Terry Fiji, because it really leaves a
lot of folks myself included scratching our heads going. I
just I've never seen anything like this before where you

(29:00):
fire someone and then decide to find the reasons why
you fired her in the first place. That just ahead
Bengals trying to get into even five hundred Bearcats going
for seven straight. We've got lots of football this weekend.
Also also also we have the scandal that just broke yesterday.
So why does the FBI do this massive press conference

(29:21):
slash purp walk yesterday afternoon, the day after the well,
the as I say, at the start of the NBAC,
they had twelve games on Wednesday, and of course you
had the you know, a night kickoff, couple games, a
couple of games and then big with a big slide
full slighting. Why would they do that like opening week
because it totally took away from opening tonight at the
NBA basically is what it was Opening day. I guess

(29:43):
I should say with a full slight of night games.
Everyone's so excited about that, and I think it. You know,
looking at you can kind of tell why. So Travis Coach,
the Hall of Famer, Chauncey Billups and Miami gar Terry
Rose here thirty people among thirty people, thirty four then
total arrested yesterday, And this investigation has been going on

(30:04):
for a long time in the FBI. It's Wirefrog conspiracies,
money laundering. So Rosier arrested and accused of leaking confidential
information about his health to people associates who used that
to bet that he would underperform. So he's in a game,
he said, hey, here's again, and you know he winds
up leaving early, faking an injury, and they bet the

(30:26):
underund how many points each court basically, and Chauncey Phillips,
it's a whole different thing. That's Tony Soprano and the
Italian mob of coosonostro, which surprises of Italian they still
are still that strong, but al though, they have private
table games backed by the New York Mob, and there's
X ray poker tables, so I can see what the
cards are, and it's that that's a whole different thing

(30:49):
right there. And of course John D. Porter, a former
NBA bench player, also accused of disclosing confidential information about
his health to a better So those are three of
the big ones. But I look at this and go, okay,
why would you do this on that It's because the
NBA already cleared Rose here essentially did their own internal investigation.

(31:09):
I guess and said, okay, yeah, nothing to see here,
and the FBI said, well, hold on just a second.
So they start looking at it, and then I think,
what's happening, especially under Trump, right doesn't like to be
if you're the FBI, like wow, the NBA said, there's
nothing to see here, and clearly there's a lot to
see here. So we're going to we're going to rain
on their parade. We're going to destroy opening week because

(31:32):
this is now the big story. Like nobody's paying, you know,
paying somewhat attention, but nobody cared. I cared about the
NBA going Wow, what the hell's going to the NBA,
I mean, a huge black guy for the league could
have done this weeks ago, probably before the season, preseason whatever,
but they decided to drop it this week. I think
that's in in the message. I really really do that
this is a lot bigger deal than the NBA. It's

(31:54):
you know, hard to say that the NBA covers something
up or look the other way. And I mean pretty clearly.
If you say there's nothing to see here, everything's good,
and the FBI says no, there isn't and you've got,
you know, the mob involved for crying out loud and
it's all tied together, that is clearly a shot across
the bow of the National Basketball Association. I think the
other thing too, is looking at this because now it's

(32:16):
on trial, is the integrity of professional sports and the
legal betting era. Right, it's like, oh, this is what happened.
This is what happened. You have all these sports book
and gaming sports book. See you could see this coming. Look,
it's not like cheating and point shaving. All this stuff
is new.

Speaker 6 (32:31):
It just used to.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
We'd still be doing this. It's not all like sports
gambling would go away. You know, when you're back in college,
back in the day, buddy, that what you had someone
who's a bookie, you knew someone who knew somebody, Okay,
and you know, if there's enough money, if it's not,
Like we haven't had a long history of people trying
to fix games and matches since sports began in the

(32:56):
United States, which in the early days, right, I'm pretty
sure like when they're playing that weird game where they're
got a leather ox and ball and they're throwing it
through the hoop on horseback with Indians, like, I'm sure
somebody was betting on that, and then somebody was like
fixing game, you know, boxing and all that stuff back
in the day. So yeah, I don't know if I'm
it's it's certainly more complextions a lot more money in it,

(33:16):
because you're talking about one hundred and fifty billion dollars
in legal bets just last year alone, huge amount of money,
and somebody's going to skim some of that. I totally
get it. But let's look at how they got caught
for a second, So you had a better professional better
I think, placed thirty wagers in less than an hour
and all involving Terry Rozier. Do you remember a few

(33:40):
years ago, and the UCEE baseball team I think You
See Baseball is called No one from You See Baseball
I think was charged or got in trouble for it.
But there's a guy who was a great American ballpark
at the sportsbook there and it was putting, as I recall,
you may remember this better than I do, but I
think it was spending like one hundred thousand dollars on
an Alabama baseball game. And I was like Alabama, Clemson

(34:01):
or wherever it was, and he had inside information that
the pitcher would be benched. So he's betting one hundred
grand on that on college baseball. So in this case,
you've got a guy betting a lot of money on
Terry Rozier and that's just going to set the algorithms

(34:22):
go nuts. And it's not like they don't have people
at all the sports books that are monitoring that behind
the scenes and so obviously all electronics, but they're they're
social media. Who's betting on what the prop bets? And
do you look at this, you go, WHOA that jumps
off the I mean, it's terror's here, right, So it
jumps off the page. And that's where they start the investigation,
like the NBA couldn't figure that we working with the

(34:42):
sports books. That's what tells me this is why they
did it when they did it. That could be wrong
about that, but this is gonna be a black guy
for the NBA for a long time. So as far
as the integrity of professional sports go, I think you're
this is going to be commonplace. I think maybe not
happening all the time, but it's going to take an
idiot like that, you know, like the the that Alabama
guy with uc and at Great American Ballpark or this case,

(35:07):
and every three years you're gonna have a knuckle aeat
doing this or somebody trying to do this. And I'm
gonna get cads can be a big story because they're
so good at catching this stuff. Because again, this is
not good, not good for the sports books. It makes
them look really really bad. So there's a more incentive
them to to make sure they're moditoring this at all times.
I think it goes away. I think it's just something
we're gonna live with. I don't think it's the end

(35:28):
of sports or anything like that, like some people are
making it out to be. Oh, this is what happens. Yeah,
they downfall, non buying it. I really am not. We'll
get a news update Steve Gooden. Next. You fire the
chief and then you look for the reasons to fire hers.
It's making sense to you, that makes sense to him either,
and he's an attorney's ready to go. We'll talk to
him next after news on the Home of the Best
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(35:54):
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the show streaming. We got you covered. We got you
covered on all those platforms. A mind up boggling example
of ready fire aim chief Teresa Thiji placed on administrative leave,
paid administrator to leave at that and an interim chief.

(36:15):
And Adam Henny named this before the investigation into the
effectiveness of our leadership as a city calls it that
any of this happens. It's the city is looking for
a reason to fire the chief. After they fire the chief,
it just goes from bad to worse. Too ridiculous at
this point with the City of Cincinnati, and it's a

(36:37):
leader apt to ad Pierre Valscher along the city manager
in just more confusion and chaos when we don't need it.
Steve Goodness, here is a council candidate from a council member,
attorney and charter right, and with his analysis here this morning, Steve,
how are you, Steve? You there, Steve Gooden? Well wait wait,

(36:59):
hold on, hold on, say them by let's go there
we go. We got you asked you? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
first day on the new job, first day on the
new job. For me, there's an irony here because it's
the executive branch's law enforcement. The irony is, of course,
there's no due process for the chief of police. This
is conviction before being charged. And on that they even'

(37:20):
even hired a law firm. Yet, how does this make
any sense legally?

Speaker 5 (37:26):
Well it doesn't. I mean, look, you know, I've had employees,
you know, for most of my career. And look, I
rule number one is if you've got the goods on somebody,
you just go ahead and fire them, you know. And
so the idea that here they said, well we want
you to resign. The charter clearly says that once the

(37:47):
chief has served more than six months, she can only
be fired for cause. So presumably if they had any
kind of cause or bad behavior on her part that
had been documented, they were just going ahead and fired her,
and we wouldn't have this. So now they're trying to
create a ground, obviously, create grounds to fire her after
the fact, after they've already sort of gone to her

(38:08):
and asked her to resign. It is a morale killer.
It's more politics that the rank and file see this.
I talked to some officers yesterday who are just disgusted
by how this is playing out. I mean, they're already
short staff, morale was already bad. And I got to
hand it to mayor and the council. They have done
the impossible. They have taken a horrible situation and made

(38:30):
it yet worse. I always thinking like, there's really no
way it gets any worse. We have rampant gun violence,
business is downtown, are scared in town. We literally have
slats standing on Fountain Square. My offices right there was
there yesterday. We don't really have a police chef. How
could we make it worse? And also, you know, I've
never seen a situation we're bringing a bunch of lawyers

(38:50):
in billing by the hour, makes anything better not say that.
As a lawyer who bills by the hour. It never
makes things better.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Here's a great example. It's terrible seem NBA scandal, the
betting of the gambling scandal. Chauncey Billups. Okay, how it
works all always is always I is. All of a sudden,
there's a bombshell, Hey, we're having a press count. Here's
what's gonna happen. It's like, we caught all these players
in the gambling scheme and at the mobs involved, and
you have a press conference, you lay the charges out.
On the other side says, oh, we deny, we deny,
we deny. Uh. That's how you don't go, Hey, by

(39:22):
the way, uh, Chauncey, we're going to we're gonna we're
gonna do this, uh, and then go and find that
we're not sure we believe they did this, and now
we're gonna go and investigate it. It's it's completely backwards.
You don't do that. You have the charges that they
make the presentation. You don't present and say we're gonna
let we're Chauncey Billups, We're we're gonna suspend you. We're
gonna come after, we're gonna charge you, but we're not

(39:43):
going to tell you what it is. We've got to
hire a team to do that. But we know you're
guilty of something. It just it doesn't even pass the
stiff test for most people. It's insane, right right.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
It's a fundamental, you know, violation, but just even the
most basic due process on her part. She can't answer
the charges because she doesn't know what they are. Now,
we know from the mayor's comments that they're hanging all
this on her quote and effectiveness. But what she's already
telegraph very strongly is I think she acknowledges she was uneffective, okay,

(40:12):
because of the policy she was given an instructed to do.
I mean, we know that city Hall and the mayor
helped elect a set of judges over in the courthouse
that really didn't believe in cash bail, so they were
putting gun offenders back on the streets rapidly, and that
that contributed to the frustration in the police department, And

(40:33):
that she has clearly said that she went to the
mayor to try to correct the situation and he refused.
We also know that this whole bizarre compliance versus enforcement
thing on lower level offenses came right from the city
manager and the mayor. Now I fault the chief candidly
for not pushing back more on that. So they stopped writing,
you know, wead tickets, stopped pursuing graffiti issues, stopped dealing

(40:56):
with the homeless situation downtown, and over time, the failure
year to prosecute or deal with these low level offenses
created a sense of lawlessness that brought the real bad
actors with guns downtown. So we've seen that. But calling
her ineffective for because your policies were ineffective, I mean,
that's ridiculous and this just isn't the way you do things. So, ok,

(41:17):
I used to run a big law firm and there
were a couple of different instances where we had young
lawyers who had who had done bad things, and we
did an investigation and then we went to them then
laid it out and so either resign or get fired,
and here are your options, and here's what we found.
Unless you have some answer, that's how it works. This
is they're trying to make up a reason to fire.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
After that takes yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And now we
have a pattern of behavior, Steve Gooden, and when it's
abuse of due process. Let's go back to the July
street brawl where you had an individual white guy right
who has started this whole thing allegedly, and then the
city comes out and says, well, well, you know what,
actually a minute forty six prior, they were the victim

(41:57):
of some very extreme racial attacks and a text and
this was him bass So and you know, he had
the ministers crying for Whitey to be charged all this stuff,
and they do that and it's actually Adam Henny, now
the interim chief oddly enough, so you see there's some
quid pro quote at least. And I'm not demeaning Chief
Henny here. I understand it's a great cops cops cop,
but again, playing the game is that now you cast

(42:19):
dispersions on the integrity of the office, because like, if
you're willing to write a ticket for something you didn't
witness yourself, and the officers didn't want to get jammed up,
and he said, I'll take the bullet from my officer,
so to speak, and write the citation that led to
the charges. It's cut from the same cloth, like okay,
we're going to wait a month to charge someone, and
pretty clearly it's someone who shouldn't be charged, but we're

(42:40):
doing it because of political correctness and political expediency, just
like we're doing now. We have a trend now.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
Right Well yeah, I mean it's just what we've done
here is just they're going to just undermines the sense
of fairness and of law and order in the town.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
It really does.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
Look like the mayor and the city manager can say
I want this guy charged, so they go back and
charge him. Whether there's evidence or not, I don't know,
but certainly you had a guy who an officer who
signed the charge, who was not involved in the investigation,
wasn't there and hadn't interviewed the guy even apparently. And
now you also have the scenario where they're saying, on
these low level offenses, we don't want people charge.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
And how do you have a city that way?

Speaker 5 (43:21):
We have a charter that says our police chief and
city manager is supposed to be independent above politics. They're
supposed to be out there policing and do it, you know, working,
going where the crime is, looking at real metrics and
trying to figure out what to do. And that's what
the neighborhoods are you crying about, because.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
I mean, I mean, we don't.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
Even trust I don't trust the data coming out of
the police department in City Hall anymore. I think it's
clearly been manipulated to make the gun violence look less.
You know, from shots Boer, we're on track for twenty
three thousand shots fire, but that isn't reflected in the
other data.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
It's clear from the top, right, I mean, the two
examples that game what you sided here too. It's like
the mayor is deciding what justice looks like. And I'm sorry,
but I wonder about those people who would support AFTAB
Pericle and a Heartbeat, who are down marching at the
No Kings rally. Isn't this what you're allegedly fighting against?

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Well, I mean, I mean.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
It could not be more perfect of an analogy between
Donald Trump and AFTAB. I mean, it's exactly the same thing.
It's just, you know, they're on different sides of the
aisle politically, you know, but there is this sense on
both sides that they are like busting through some of
the norms you know that we have out. This is
the critique people make of Donald Trump is exactly the

(44:35):
same critique that could be made of AFTAB, which is
somebody who really just doesn't plan with the rules, and
I would go a step further. I mean, the thing
that makes me the sickest is we've had mayors in
the past who have kind of lost their way, but
we've always had some diversity of thought on city Council
and some people with backbone that we're willing to push back.
These guys have been with maybe one exception in the

(44:56):
last twenty four hours, no one's done anything. The old days,
you know, Chris Smeatherman or a Steve Gooden or even
maybe AlSi somewhe you know, or can you call someone
like that would have called for a hearing right a
public here and say like what happened here? They bring
the chief, and they bring the city manager in and
say like, hey, look, you know, with the cameras on,
tell us what the hell is going on here where?

Speaker 7 (45:17):
You know?

Speaker 5 (45:18):
And they wouldn't have just accepted this nonsense day in
and day out. So there's a lack of oversight from
council that really really makes this even worse, because I mean,
they have a role in this process. They can you know,
they have the ability to shine a flashlight here and
they are hiding under their desk.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
But I would point out that we're being told to
add at nauseam from a to a peer of all
on others. This is not political. She's not a political scapegoat.
The election has nothing to do with the decision. The
decisions we take public safeties are number one priorities. We're
taking it seriously. This is not political all. As a
matter of fact, she's not even fired. She's on paid
administrative leave. And there's another part of the of the

(45:56):
s absurdity Steve Gooden, is that, all right, Thigi's on
paid administrator of not fired. She's had administrative leaders. She's
stick in a paycheck while we investigate her over the
next one. It's going to take months, apparently to solved this.
Then why name a interim chief instead of an acting chief.
If you're suspended, it's an acting chief, like if someone's hurt.

(46:16):
You know, Joe Flacco is the acting starting quarterback, he
is not the interim starting There's a difference in a nuance.
There is interim chief not acting. They essentially have given
it like, well we're done with the old chief. This
is the innermundile. We find a new one. They've already
stated that, and then they go back and go, well, no,
she just doesn't leave.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
Well, you know what's so funny is he actually slipped
up at one of his you know, he was sort
of ambushed coming out of council chambers yesterday and I
think it was Channel twelve or one of the other
reporters asked him, you know some pretty tough questions. He said, well,
whenever we move on and change leadership, it's a tough time.
And I said, okay, so you're firing her. Oh no,

(46:57):
I'm not saying that. You just said we're changing leadership, know,
And it was like, you know, you're like you can't even.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Keep your your Live Street interim in acting, so you
don't even know what the adjective you need at this point.
It's so comically bad in the and the sad part
about this is all right, it's going to go on
in for a month, okay, so put your political hat
on here a second, good and from the legal one. Okay,
after the election, what happens.

Speaker 5 (47:23):
Well, you know after the election, I mean, lou well, first, unfortunately,
I see this dragging into the next year.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
And I mean I think number one, what the first
time we got to watch for is what law firm
they choose. So if they choose one of the go
to law firms that have represented AFTAB and council in
the past and they've gotten in trouble, we're going to
know the fixes in. You know, I we're hoping to
go with someone outside the area, if you have some
integrity here, who might actually push back. But I wouldn't

(47:50):
hold my breath for that. So Number one is we
got to watch which law firm. If it's one of
these like hyper connected democratic law firms, you know, then
all bets are off as to what happens there. But
I would expect us to drag on at least through
the end of the year with us having a suspended
chief and an interim chief and then some sort of

(48:11):
a search. If there was any integrity here, they'd wait
and see what the new council is going to look
like so that they could have some input. But my
guess is that there's going to be like a hurry
up to try to resolve all this in December before
anybody can come in and shine a light on it.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
How much longer is she under contract? How much as
you do? How long does that last?

Speaker 5 (48:29):
My understanding is and I haven't read it, but my
recollection is that they renew it every two years. And
that is where this gets funny from a legal standpoint,
is that if you recall, we have this thing called
Issue five that was passed back from two thousand and five,
which is deeply unpopular with the FOP and probably is
ripe to be revisited. That kind of takes the chief

(48:50):
out of some of for or most of the civil
service protections. So the idea is that the Sydney Manager,
with input from the mayor, actually could just fire the
chief for cause. And that's in the charter, and it
spells it out pretty clearly that once you're in the
job six months, it's kind of a probationary period. Could
be fired for any reason. After six months, they have
to actually prove that you've screwed something up for cause.

(49:14):
But they are, on top of that, have apparently been
issuing these two year contracts that somehow, you know, deal
with compensation and so forth, and apparently there's language in
there that contradicts the Charter. So that's why she's lawyered up,
and there's going to be some sort of a court
battle about what her rights really are and even this
is a mess. I don't know how the law department
allowed this to happen where you have something in the
contract that I guess the contract doesn't mention her being

(49:37):
fired for cause, but yet the charter says she is.
They're in conflict, and it's the classic sort of thing
that you end up I hate to say it, having
lawyers fight out in court in the fact that we're
here and that we've been kind of doing business this
way for years, you know, is just terrible. And again
the taxpayers lose. I mean, this is going to cost
every bit of a million dollars or about the salary

(49:57):
and benefits of five to six police officers the time
this is all said and.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Don Yeah, he is a Steve Gooden counsel condidate, former
councilman and a charter right Steve Gooden on the Ready
Fire aim approach with Fiji. She is on paid administrative leave.
They name an interim chief not acting interim, so there's
confusion there. And now they're going to hire a law
firm that could take months of them to investigate why
they fired her in the first place. Yeah, that's that's

(50:23):
real life. That's really happening in the city right now
with an election happening, by the way, in just a
couple of weeks, and of course everyone is saying, I
have to have on down. This is not political. Is
it time for us to blow everything up? The way
it works because we have a very inefficient If you
live in Cincinnati, been here long til you kind of
pay attention to it, but our government is so inefficient.
And it starts the fact there's so much overlap between

(50:45):
Hamlin County and the City of Cincinnati in fighting for
their turf. Of course you see stadium issues and such,
but even within the design itself. You know, you mentioned
the contentious issue five, but also how council works, how
the city manager integrates and all this stuff. Because there's
cover for everyone involved. Her council can go, well, we
have a strong mayor in the mayor goes, well, we've

(51:06):
got a city manager, and the city manager says, well,
we've got a mayor and a council. It's like no one,
there's no one. The way we've got it wired. Right now,
it strikes the average person like myself, Steve Gooden, that
it's wired so there's no one accountable.

Speaker 5 (51:20):
Well, it's wired so that you end up with an
absurd result, and you know, and it would work. The
current system would work. It's not perfect, but would work
better if council would just step up, if we didn't
have like a you know, an all a nine member
politically ambitious Democratic city council who would actually step up
and provide some of the oversight that they are allowed

(51:41):
to do. But I mean, to your larger point, I
have always been somebody who has been pushing for at
least some form of metro government so that we might
actually find some of these efficiencies. I mean, even Yahoga County,
even Cleveland has gone to a limited form of metro government,
Indianapolis has, Louisville has. I mean, it's it's ridiculous that

(52:02):
we have all these turf battles. It's ridiculous that our
departments don't work well together. And I mean back when
I was in the prosecutors obviously as a young assistant prosecutor,
back in two thousand and one, post the Timothy Thomas
shooting and the riots that happened, we absolutely had a
level of cooperation between the city and the county then
that will be unheard of now, you know, we had

(52:23):
Operation Vortex. Now they were doing gun and drug sweeps
with CPD and sheriff's patrols and Ohio State patrol and
it was wonderful and it really made a difference. But
now everyone is just in their silos and they don't
cooperate at all, and it's really silly. And that's something
that just desperately needs some fresh thought. And I can

(52:43):
tell you this current crew or that's not where their
head is. They're just all about protecting what they have
rather than trying to look at what would actually serve
the public best.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
This is the maybe this is a catalyst for Steve.
I don't know. I'm trying to be optimistic here.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
Well, well, I'm trying to be optimistic too, and I
think another part it is and I'm hoping this is
the year and the timeframe where some folks in the
business community who I know have been talking for some
time about metro government and substance of reforms. I know
there's a working group down at the Chamber. It's very
quiet that they've been looking at and studying and pushing

(53:16):
these issues. And there's just got to come a time
where we're not not just you know, the citizens, but
the business community and all these other groups that kind
of feed in, they have to speak up on this
stuff too, I mean, because they have a right or wrong,
a louder voice, and it's been very easy for them
to kind of go along cynically and say, well, look,
you know, I have to have very you know, he's
going to win, it's a blue city, et cetera, et cetera,

(53:39):
and just to go along to get along, and some
people are going to have to stand up. I mean,
you know, we've been our little group has been pretty
fearless about speaking out on these issues this year. We've
we've paid a price for it in terms of some
lost friendships and broken business relationships. But that's fine. I mean,
that's what it takes. We need more people to speak

(54:00):
up and say this isn't working, we're not happy, We're
not going to go along to get along. We need
real substance of change, just at every step of the way.
And it's just going to take some political courage and
some personal courage, rankly, because you know, in this world
of lobbyists and nonprofits and the people that really have
a lot of voices at city hall, there's a lot

(54:22):
of personal relationships and you have to be willing to
just step on those at times if you're going to
do the right thing.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Gotch all right, he's a consul kendidate, Steve Gooden. We'll
see if this enacts any change. Probably not with the mayor,
but I, you know, ask others about the trickle down here,
and I think it's I would think it's going to
be substantial that somebody's going to pay for all this
ineptitude that's happening at the hand of Aftab and cheer
along and forts. It's probably going to be some decent
people on console for that matter. We'll see how it
shakes out. Steve, all the best, and maybe you're part

(54:50):
of that change hopefully and can bring some of these
ideas to fruition. All the best, man, have a great weekend.
Thanks you two, take care, take care. We got to
get the news and we're in return we have fun
because it's Friday. A little heavy for a Friday. I apologize.
But the insanity what's happening in the city is it's unprecedented.
It really really is. Austin Elmore from ESPN fifteen thirty
jumps in. Next. We'll talk football, football, and more football,

(55:12):
plus the NBA scandal the latest on that next seven
hundred w W Scott Fund show. The music means one thing,
orange synthesizers in Austin, olmore. That's what I think about
when I hear this seas Austin lo from ESPN fifteen thirty. Yeah,
since he three sixty is the show Tony Pike not anymore.

(55:32):
It's not since he three sixty anymore. Wait, because he
was fired for a week. Now we it's Tony Pikes
since he three sixty. Oh, Tony, that's the name of
the show. How do you feel about being now relegated
the fifth wheel and still the second.

Speaker 9 (55:45):
My exact words to management were, I'm pissed about this. Yeah,
and they said life's not fair. That's what they told you. Yeah,
Oh okay, good, Well guess what. They're not wrong. You're
you're on You're right now, You're on this show on LW.
And Tony's not about that.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
On the other hand, he's going to be inducted into
the UC Hall of Fame later today.

Speaker 7 (56:12):
I know.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
I am looking forward to that. It's going to before it.
I'll have later out of the show to talk. It's
a great weekend though, because like the Pike's doing that
and you've got lap going in it's it's awesome.

Speaker 9 (56:22):
And the weather it looks like it's going to be
pretty good. I love a four o'clock start at Nippert.
That's going to be beautiful home come up against Baylor. Yeah,
it's it's gonna be a fun weekend. I have a
hankering to go to the Bengals game. I don't know why,
but like, I really just want to go to it.
You know, I know why. You just expect it to
be a beatdown. No, I don't, No, I don't. I
don't expect that. Well, let's jump into that. Let's start

(56:42):
before we get into all that stuff. First of all,
reaction to the NBA scandal yesterday. I'll give you my
take whatever that might be on it. But I'm curious
this thing holds it the and I've just talked about
this to me, it's not that it broke, it's when.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
It broke, Yeah, right after the start of the season, correct,
like the day after it overshadowed Opening Day basically.

Speaker 9 (57:03):
Well, and I think what we've learned so far already
is that the NBA knew about this and swept it
under the rug.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
And that tells me the Trump administration said watch this,
we're going to ruin opening week. Maybe because it's been
going on for years, why do it that day? Well,
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (57:18):
And obviously there's this belief that Gilbert Arenas, who was
the first arrest in this, snitched on everybody back in July.
And so you could say that, Okay, well, over the
last couple of months, they've been getting their p's and
q's in order and getting this case strong so that
they can go and you know, do this whole thing. Ye,
Or you can say they knew this whole time what

(57:39):
was going to happen, and so we're going to do
it to ruin the NBA.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Maybe.

Speaker 9 (57:43):
So I don't know that it matters that much as
much as the truth matters here, and the truth is
that the NBA has a gambling problem. This is not
the first time that this has happened. And you know,
you don't see this issue in the NFL. Nope, you've
started to see it a little bit and Made League Baseball.
You don't see it in hockey. You haven't seen it

(58:03):
at the college level to this point. The NBA has
an issue specifically with this, and I think part of
it is you play eighty two games. There's so many
singular prop bets, there's so many different ways to manipulate it.
But the sports books know, and the sports books knew
about Terry Rozier right away, and the NBA came up
with this fake injury and he stopped playing, and they

(58:25):
knew about it and swept it under the rug. Come
to find out, it goes deeper with ties to a
crime family and high stakes poker games and these elite
level boards and sunglasses in a car table X ray table.
I'm going to Watson's like, it goes so deep, and

(58:46):
it's just it's not a good thing for the NBA.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
It's not. And here's that. And that's why I think
is like the NBA did investigation on Rogier, right, It's like, oh,
it had nothing to see here, And then in the
FBI's probably saying they're like, yeah, no, the FBI is
like did they were they incompetent an investigation or did
they just simply go, hey, man, the money's rolling in.
We don't want to we don't need controversy. And I
think that's why they did this the day after in

(59:10):
an overshadowed opening week. It took all the steam out
of that engine. That the big build up for the
NBA season, and I think that was to send a message.

Speaker 9 (59:17):
And politics aside, I have no problem with that because
there is no place I love the NBA. I watched
the NBA. There's no place for that. And you've got
to get it buttoned up. This is one of the
concerns that people had from the very beginning. So the
NBA is I'm sure feeling the pressure from the sports
books in and of itself, and they're probably like, Hey,
aren't you gonna do anything about this? And they're like, no,
we're good. Well it's like, hello, you're messing with our business.

(59:40):
So then you get the FBI involved. I'm sure the
other leagues are not happy with the NBA two no,
because now doubt starts to creep into everything that had Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Well, and I think the other element is people are
making this is the in the integrity of sports with
gambling and college like you've always had that, you're still
gonna have it. And look at how he got caught right,
it was it was a professional gambler that's putting all
this money in Rogier, that basically betting the under knowing
that he was going to leave the game, and it
set off all these signals are off of the sports

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books and kind of like remember the UC scandal, what
you see was named in it with the Alabama baseball coach.
Sure that happened the summer at GABP, I was just
talking about that going it's the same thing. Well, like
this guy put one hundred thousand dollars on an Alabama
baseball game for the picture for them to know because
they knew the starting pitcher was gonna get bench. It's like,
it's what else is new?

Speaker 6 (01:00:28):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
So anyway, let's move on to football. You see Tony
Pike Day at at Nipperts Stadium. It's home coming And
of course normally we talk about Baylor, we think about
the NCAA tournament and basketball, not so much with football.
I will say though, that you look at their record
and you look it up. They're still putting up with
thirty six points, so you know, and UC's defense is
certainly not the best it's ever been. High scoring game.

Speaker 9 (01:00:50):
You think on something, I think you see defenses a
work in progress, and they're an entirely different defense without
Dante Corleone on the field, and they have to do
a better job of adjusting because teams are taking advantage
of that defense when he's not on the field. And
Baylor specifically as one of the best passing offenses in
the NFL or in the in the country in college football.

(01:01:11):
So they are going to try to air it out.
They're gonna try to use play action, They're gonna try
to get those linebackers out of position, and it's not
it's gonna be a challenge for you. Sid Brendan Sowersby
is playing like one of the best quarterbacks in the
country eighteen to one touchdown to interception ratio. He's been
able to move the ball with his feet outside the pocket.

(01:01:33):
He's finally got weapons that he can get the ball
to on the outside. They're they're playing as good as
they have under Scott's Saderfield all together. I think their
special teams has been pretty solid as well. So Bearcats
are favored. I expect them to win. And yeah, it's
gonna be a fun weekend with Tony going into the
Hall of Fame tonight and a few others and they're
all being honored and there's a big parade tomorrow before

(01:01:55):
the game as well. That Tony's gonna be the Grand
Marshall there taking trying three day, right, it's in front
of the giant inflatable, real size Tony Pike head. Well,
I don't know if they make them that big.

Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
And speaking of honoring people, are Tony Pike and our
Dave Lapham gets it on Sunday a ring of honor
and the three and four Bengals trying to get to
an even five hundred six and a half point favorites
the dog of the league, the New York Football Jets
are in with their oh to seven record, and you know,
you look at it on page it's a it's a
total mismatch, especially considering the injuries that a bad Jets

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team has on top of this.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
But nonetheless it's still an seven team. It's cornering an
injured dog, so to speak. You got to watch out.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:02:41):
And historically the Bengals, coming off of the quote unquote
many bye, are not very good. I believe they've lost
nine straight games following a Thursday game over the last
ten seasons. Now, in their last ten Thursday games, they're
six and four, So they've been good at that, but
they've almost always followed it up with the loss. They
have to avoid that against the Jets on Sunday. My
biggest issue with the Bengals right now is, even if

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the Jets are hurt, and even if they're zero to seven,
and even if you don't know who their quarterback is,
if you don't tackle, you will get beat. Like their
defense is good enough to keep them in the game
even with the injuries, but you have got to get
your defense off the field. If you're the Bengals. What
are the three biggest issues with the Bengals. They have
a bad offensive line, they have a bad defensive line,

(01:03:25):
and they can't tackle. It doesn't matter who you play
in the National Football League. Those three things will get
you beat.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Got it?

Speaker 9 (01:03:32):
So the offensive line trending in the right direction. Defensive
line you think will be better with Trey hendrickson coming back.
You have got to tackle or you will lose. You
can't overlook this game. You can't start looking ahead into Chicago.
You can't have a hangover after you beat the Steelers
on a Thursday night. Hopefully a normal week with the
Bengals offense and with Joe Flacco and maybe a little
bit of clarity on what this defense wants to do,

(01:03:53):
and if they're a little healthier, can mean that the
Bengals start to turn it in the right direction. But
those things, especially the tackling the last two weeks nineteen
misstackles against the Green Bay Packers, double digits again against
the Pittsburgh Steelers. That cannot happen. That is a red
flag for the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Cray is limited with the hip, does it make sense
that you could still win this game with Samara and there?
I mean, granted, now he's not played up to where
he should be or expected being even by those admission
he hasn't either, But it feels to me, with the
limited weapons that they have, and now Tyrod Taylor, who's
going to be a pocket, it seems to me like
you can win without Trey being in there. Yeah, you
would think so, or if this makes sense to rest

(01:04:32):
him again, I don't know that I would do that.

Speaker 9 (01:04:35):
Trey will want to play and part of his contract
involves playtime, so him missing one game, he's not going
to want to do that. But at the bare minimum,
I would like to see him in at pass rushing downs,
you know, much like the Packers at the beginning of
the season with Michael Parsons he had that back injury.
He only really came out on the field on third downs,
third and five or longer. And so maybe we'll see

(01:04:57):
that type of thing from Trey Hendrickson. Do that workload
a little bit, because Shamar needs more reps and I
give him a little bit of grace coming off the
ankle injury against the Steelers last week, but he's got
to start making some noise.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Nobody else really is now.

Speaker 9 (01:05:12):
I will say this, Joseph Osai has really ticked up
over the last couple of games. He's starting to trend
in the right direction. One of the league leaders in
pressures right now. So if Osai can stay consistent much
like he was the final five games of last year
with Trey, with Shamar, you might start to have something.
You're gonna have to run game. I have a run game. Mean,
Chase Brown put up ridiculous numbers last week. Didn't No

(01:05:32):
one saw that comings They've been so bad all year
and then just absolutely flashes. You probably don't have to
put that kind of performance in simply because mentioned the
injury bug. I was kind of looking forward to seeing
Sauce against our number ones, right Chase On twenty twenty two.
When he came in the league. It's like, here, do
you see guy homecoming weekend? It'd be a great story.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
He comes in, he shut Chase down last time, while
he do it again this week, so he is out.
You look at their secondary, the guy I will forget
it was name other corner he's got to I think
he's gonna play. They're so banged up. But the point
is you're just gonna air the ball out. I mean,
you can need a little run game to balance with Flacco,
but yeah, he's just gonna pass them, cut them up.

Speaker 9 (01:06:12):
I would expect the Bengals to try to keep it
going with that that run game that they found against Pittsburgh.
I think they want to really double down on that
and establish that because you can see how that opens
up the rest of the offense. And the Bengals had
a big tendency breaker against the Steelers, which is when
they went under center, they did a couple I think
four straight drop back passes, which means when they're under center,

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previously it was either they run the ball or they
play action. Now two step, three step drop ball out
of the hands of Joe Flacco, defenses had to be
prepared for that. That opens up parts of the offense
as well, and it especially opens up parts of that
run game. I saw some creativity in that run game.
I saw some execution. Dalton Reisner at left guard. Don't
know if he's going to start. Zach Taylor hasn't said

(01:06:56):
guards are going to be but Dalton Reisner over the
course of his career has played left guard more and
he looked a lot more comfortable there against the Pittsburgh
correct So I could see Zach Taylor saying, Okay, I'm
gonna stick with what's working here. If we're able to
run the ball effectively with this grouping, let's stick with
that and see.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
How it goes.

Speaker 9 (01:07:16):
Now, are they do they have a short leash like
Jalen Rivers who is struggling in pass protection, maybe especially
if there's a situation where the Bengals have to throw
the ball. But I think Zach will lean into that
run game to try to really get some confidence and
some consistency in that unit going, and then that will
open up the pass game, much like you saw against.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Yea and Dylan Fairschaud and always hurt coming back off
that and what what pieces he puts together for for
this Jets game, but he has options there as they
start to hopefully it looks like they're turning the corner.
But the Jets, you know, as a bad team to
begin with, you got you got Tyrod Taylor in and
there you don't have to worry about Justin Field's running
all over you. Tyrod's gonna be a pocket guy at
this state of the game. Joe Flacco gets to play

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another old quarterback. They were teammates. It's fourteen years ago.

Speaker 9 (01:08:01):
It's insane in twenty eleven to Rod Taylor and Joe
Flacco were teammates with the Baltimore Ravens. Isn't that crazy
that they're still doing it? Yeah, they really are. Yeah,
but you don't want to look past it. They're ow
and seven like you should die. I think the message
from from Zach Taylor should be this week, Hey, all
the crap that we've went to went through, and we're
going to get a forty year old quarterback and Joe

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Burrow is still hurt. We still have a chance to
be five hundred and two and zero in our division
at home over the next couple of weeks, and we
can get the five hundred before the bye. That should
be the message. Everything you want is still right in
front of you. And I think the confidence of going
and beating the Pittsburgh Steelers, the way that they played
in that second half against Green Bay, I think this

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team has more confidence now than they've had at any
point since Burrow got hurt, and that I think is
a good thing. But you just want to avoid that
hangover and say, okay, listen, you got to get to
four and four so that you have a chance to
get to five and four before the bid. Chicago is
a good team. We'll talk about that next week. That
could but that's the thing is you're gonna play a
lot of good teams between now and the end of

(01:09:02):
the season. There's a stretch there with Buffalo and Baltimore
twice and New England is really coming on strong. So
these games are very, very very important if you're continuing
to try to buy some time for Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
We're also heading close to the trade deadline, and I
you know, bring up the Logan Wilson thing and every
year you have teams at and I get it, man,
you know, here's a guy, he's what is late twenties
twenty nine, I think, and he wants to play, and
they got rookies in there, he's not playing, and so
he had played. They sat him at Green Bay last week,
and you're looking for a new home, So you know,
I know a lot has been made. I don't think

(01:09:34):
that's controversial. I think that's just the NFL and he'll
end up somewhere else.

Speaker 9 (01:09:37):
Yeah, there's a lot of guys that have asked for
trades over the last couple of years with the Bengals,
and none of them have gotten traded. So I don't
know that it means all that much. It's a smart
move for him because you're two weeks out of the
trade deadline and they clearly don't plan on playing you
a significant amount. And there are some linebacker needy teams
out there, the Dallas Cowboys, the forty nine ers. You

(01:09:58):
obviously think of the fit of him and Lou in
a room in Indianapolis. There are some other teams out
there that, Okay, they might pick up the phone and
call for Logan Wilson, But the Bengals, as far as
I'm concerned, the depth at that position is still a
major issue. You know, outside of Logan Wilson. It's Shaka
Hayward and Orrin Burks, and you don't really want to
have to turn to those guys in the biggest moments.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
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and that I think really diminishes what it is. I
wish I could come up with a better adjective because
I think about it. You know, yeah, how big soccer
is in racing and tennis, and the NFL generates more
revenue than any other league in the world, and it's
nearly all domestic if you think about it. As far
as TV shows go, NFL counted for seventy the top

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one hundred broadcasts in the United States last year, twenty
three billion in revenue. The Bengals and all the other
thirty one teams get over four hundred and thirty million
dollars a year back from the NFL, from TV revenue
and all everything involved there. And there are three powerful
figures that got us to where we are today. Is
one of them Paul Brown. Let me ask Ken ken Belson.

(01:11:23):
He's a veteran NFL business reporter with the New York Times,
has the book out every day is Sunday, and Ken, welcome,
how are you.

Speaker 7 (01:11:31):
Very good?

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Yeah, we live in Cincinnati where Paul Brown still casts
a shadow. I think you know the person who is
essentially one of the cornerstones in the Mount rushmore over
the early NFL. But we're not talking about that. We're
talking over the last couple of decades and how it
became such a revenue monster. And the three people responsible
are whom.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
Jerry Jones and I started the book in the early nineties.
So just as a reference for it, if we're going
to expand Mount Rush or Paul Brown would most definitely
be on it. But Jerry Jones, Robert Craft and now
Roger Goodell, and I'm talking dollars and sometimes common sense.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Yeah, and look at that line, go well, Jerry Jones
came in prior to Robert Craft, I believe, and Roger Goodell,
of course the last commissioner. So let's start with the time.
Let's start with Jerry Jones.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
Sure, Jerry came in in eighty nine. The Cowboys, which
used to be America's team self proclaimed, of course, you know,
were flat on their back. They were losing a million
dollars a month. And he revived what was then the
premieer brand of the seventies, and all those Landry Stylebach teams,
he revived them. He brought money in Glmer and Glitz back,

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and of course won three Super Bowls. But his big contribution,
at least from where I sit writing the book looking
at the league overall, was he was the first to
look at the TV cond of tracts, which back then
with CBS, ABC, NBC, there were only three bidders. It
was a cozy club art model of the Browns used
to run the the broadcasting contract. And Jerry, you know,

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as an entrepreneur, said why don't we have a fourth bidder,
Why don't we get an auction going, which is also
business common sense, yep. So he invited in a fellow
named Rupert Murdoch, who was desperate for sports to put
Fox on the map and to get affiliates to switch
over to him, and it worked. He blew a CBS
out of the water. CBS learned its lesson, came back

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four years later and paid twice as much for the
AFC package. And so Jerry really brought that kind of
businessman's instinct, also a bit of a wildcatter's instinct. He
started marketing the cowboys every which way and that pissed
off a lot of old owners. But yeah, he as
Carmen Polos. He said, he taught us how to make money.
That's what Jerry goes.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
He really did. I mean, think how you monetized the
cheerleaders too. Had said, hey, you know sex Sel Sex Dallas.
Cowboy cheelers are a huge thing in the seventies, had
a TV show and everything. So he was squeezing every
possible nickel out and this precipitated the era that we're
in right now with the flamboyants, the media presence, the
monetization of everything. So how does that then lead into

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Robert Kraft? How did what did he add to the mix?

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Well, Robert came in very much like Jerry.

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
He paid record amount for a really bad team. The
Patriots were always at the bottom of the league financially
and usually in the standings as well, and he, you know,
again set out to revive it. He built a new
stadium eventually and then built real estate around it and
went to the Super Bowl, as we all know. But
again he got very involved in league business and also

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on the media side. He had owned part owned a
CBS affiliate in Boston, so he already had really good
contact with Les Moonbez and Melkarmizan and these guys. And
you know, he was the guy who brought CBS back
in nineteen ninety six and they, as I said, they
did twice as much for what was considered back then.
The AFC package was considered less prestigious. So Robert also

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had that instinct we all need to we need to
look to all oats. We can't just focus on our
own teams in our own markets. And you know, Jerry
in various places has picked on the Browns, the Brown family,
and the Bengals because they weren't carrying or he felt
they weren't.

Speaker 7 (01:15:13):
Carrying their weight.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
But his argument was, look, if we juice up the marketing,
you know, everybody should be able to sell in their
own markets and make extra money. But you know, some
of the older teams are the older owners. They this
wasn't how they did business. So there was a good
culture clash, and it's a good one, but there was
a culture class in the nineties that now is just

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taken for granted. Everybody's in it to make money.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Yeah, and it really has. And I think Bob Kraft
and he had a hand in launching NFL Network and
Sunday Ticket and all those things we just take for granted.
But that was largely out of the mind of Bob Craft,
wasn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:50):
Absolutely And you know, Bob still called Robert. He still
goes to the Allen and Company, you know confab in
Idaho every summer. He's you know, shoulders with NBC. All
the networks come to see and go through Bob Craft.
The big Sunday ticket renewal with YouTube when they switched

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over to YouTube was over two billion dollars a year,
more than double what had been paid. And again Craft
was very instrumental in that in some ways. Really interestingly,
Jerry and Robert compete against each other for who gets
credit for all this and they so I guess their
egos also put them up on the Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Okay, so Paul Brown begets Jerry Jones, a big gests
Robert Kraft to So where does that go then? If
that lineage you can get Bob Kraft, got JR. Jones.
Who's the next? I guess revolutionary If you will change agent,
the NFL strights ownership goes which owner?

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
Well, I feel like we're entering NFL three point zero here.
You know where teams are even now, like lifestyle brands,
they're becoming you know, real estate, they're becoming literally communities.
You look at what's happening in Nashville. They're building townhouses
next to NFL stadiums. It used to be I mean
you know this every fan does. Stadiums used to be

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out in the suburbs and they were just surrounded by
miles of parking lots. Kansas City still has that, and
teams are realizing, Boy, our brands are so powerful. We
could sell pretty much anything because fans want to be
sort of close to it, and baseball has done a
good job of it over the years. You know, building
stadiums in city. You know, family was sort of grandfarthered

(01:17:32):
in even my beloved vents. You know, they're now putting
a soccer stadium across the street and apartments. But football's
been slow to them, partly because of the size of
the stadiums and just the infrequency of this, of the
number of games.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
But there is a scary city with the NFL, right,
And that's the thing is amazing part about this is
they did this is a baseball or hockey or the NBA.
This is like seventeen weeks. Eighteen weeks, you're beginning, ending,
and done. And that's an incredibly small amount of time
to generate this kind of revenue. You're right about the
Bob mean here in Cincinnati, you know, you can get
a place overlooking Great American Ballpark. So he's Ken Belson.

(01:18:09):
He writes for The New York Times, veteran reporter every
day a Sunday, How Jerry Jones, Robert Craft and Roger
Goodell turned the NFL into a cultural and economic juggernaut.
It's fascinating. So we get to Roger Goodell, now Ken
and his target going in when he took office, I
think in twenty oh six, he wanted to triple the
NFL revenue to twenty five billion by twenty twenty seven.

(01:18:30):
I said in the open last year they did twenty
three billion. He's not on target, he's over target.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
You're absolutely right, and it was audacious when he made
that prediction to the owners. He was a relatively new
commissioner then, but he wanted to show the owners what
he was about. He was working on behalf of them
in the thirty two and you know, as he knows,
he knows who pays his salary. And if you said
an aggressive target, even the owners in the room that

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I spoke with were shaking their heads, saying, how are
we going to get there? That's a billion dollars a
year for fifteen some odd years. That's that's pretty audacious.
The league back then was maybe ten billion dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:19:11):
So he did it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:12):
He did it through TV deals, not just Roger, of course,
but he sets the tone in the building, not just
for the media deals that the owners negotiate, but the sponsorships.
You look now, of course you got Verizon and Pepsi,
there's a new official bank EA the game company. They
keep slicing, slicing it a little thinner and finding new
ways to market. And you know it used to be

(01:19:34):
in and have a drink. Well, now there's the official
rum sponsor, the official box sponsor. So they're finding money
in new places, and look, brands want to be associated
with the league and many sports.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Really, yeah, Ken, how has international expansion worked? Is that
the future? Because it seems they're really pushing it. It's
hard to tell me. You have a lot of expats
attending games in London and elsewhere, and you're trying it
in different countries and in different continent Is that the
future of the NFL?

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
It's one future of the NFL. I think there's something
of a misconception that you know, this is like gravy
on top of you know, an already robust domestic market.
But the reality is they need to look overseas. The
growth rate in America is population growth rate is slowing.
You know, the concussion issue has turned some parents away

(01:20:25):
from football, and you know, many many studies have shown
that what sport you play as a kid is going
to turn you into a fan later in life. So
if you play grew up playing little league baseball, you're
more likely to be a baseball fan. Of course, you
like many sports, but your primary sport. So the NFL
needs young kids playing the game, and that's where flag

(01:20:45):
comes in, obviously because it's a cheap way to start
kids out on football and also to reassure parents. But
it's also why the NFL is looking overseas. They need
new fans, new markets, new media deals, new sponsors, and
so they're using flag because outside of North America probably Germany,
really not many people play it, so they have to

(01:21:06):
educate fans. So I see international as much as a
necessity as a luxury, and that's why we're seeing all
these extra games being added. Roger Goodell see apparently they
want to add two more international games next year. Eventually
they'll get to basically one every week by the time
they're done with it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
And that seems like I think, of your a football
fan here, it just seems like they in no way
the Europeans a British state, they don't really care about
American football. That But it wasn't that long ago, mostly
under Roger Goodell, we said the same thing about female fans.
It's a bunch of guys watching the women go and
shop and make dinner or whatever, you know, back of
the seventies, just thinking and now just as many women
is matter watching football. How do they pull that one off.

Speaker 4 (01:21:49):
Yeah, it's been a very deliberate long term strategy. Flag
is one way to teach the game to fans who
aren't interested in you know, option plays and RPOs and
all this other stuff, but they want they see the basics.
I think they've been very good the branding of the league.
I'm not just talking about press cancer awareness, but literally

(01:22:11):
the fashion items. If you go on NFL dot com,
there's a lot of women's that lean into the women's
fashion as well. And trying to make it sort of
more fan friendly, the game day experience. I mean the
days when you would tailgate, drink a six pack of
beer and go with your buddies. They're trying to make
it so you can bring your kids to the game
and your wife, maybe your girlfriend. So softening the sport

(01:22:33):
a little bit, not like the old dog Pound in
the municipal stadium, you know she was was It wasn't
even fan friendly, but yeah, it was kind of a
rough out there. So yeah, so I think these are
all very deliberate efforts to sort of broaden the audience
because the older fans, I mean not one of them,
we're aging out. Younger kids want an experience. This isn't

(01:22:56):
just true of football, but many sports. They're looking for
the experience. They're not so much looking for a season package.
They're by the jersey, but you need a Joe Burrow,
you know, you need some star pal. And then the
NFL has picked up on that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Yeah, yeah, I think maybe still a little bit from
the NBA. Speaking of that, of course, you know, we
have controversies, right and navigating can suck. Concussion lawsuits and
CTE and the flight Gate and all that stuff. NFL
is really really good about handling criseses and flare ups
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
One of the themes in the book is you see
over and over the Ray Rice issue, the bullying scandal,
the to fight, to a certain degree deflacate the social
justice protests in twenty seventeen. The NFL is kind of
a deck at identifying the problem, trying to minimize the risks,
usually with lawyers. Concussion crisis another example of this, and

(01:23:50):
then trying to turn the focus back to number one
quote what they call solutions, say for helmets, neurologists on
the sidelines, and then trying to pivot forward, you know,
and and rebranding the game. They know like if you
and I would understand anybody would understand it. It's all
about the games. Once the games start, people are hooked,

(01:24:11):
particularly late in the season, and so they try and
address these problems so they can quickly pivot back to
the football, the action on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Yeah, Ken, what do you see as the biggest threat
to the NFL over the next decade? Is it health?
Is it fan engagement? Something else?

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
You know, the players now see gambling very differently. Many
of them have grown up as adults after sports legalized
sports gambling. You know, sports gambling was legalized nationally, so
they don't have the same Alex taras Paul Hornig, you
know Pete Rose stigma, right, And it's mean as more entertainment.

(01:24:51):
And I think players are going to unwittingly walk into
some of these traps and not fully grasp what's going on.
The Other thing is phones. This is both good in
bed you can watch your favorite highlights to get your
fantasy scores, but it also distracts you from the actual product,
and gambling only accelerates that, you know, the dopamine hit

(01:25:12):
of seeing your favorite player score a touchdown and maybe
get your six points in a fantasy league is now accelerated,
you know, hyped up when money is on the line,
and you know, so I think it's it's it's not
just the NFL, but the NFL is the most gambled
on sport, and I think they're going to grapple with
sort of a changing fan attitude towards the league. And

(01:25:33):
I don't know how you put the genie back in
the bottle. That's not my expertise, but it's it's going
to play out over a bunch of years now.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Also, wonder how AI is going to change all the
That's that's the unforeseen. I'm the I'm sure the NFL
lean into and adapt to whatever it is. But you know,
I see that from an entertainment perspective, which sports is.
It's not about sports anymore, it's about entertainment. I see
that as an existential threat.

Speaker 4 (01:25:56):
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, right now AI is being used
mostly in in you know, analytics departments at teams, but
also to figure out a way to get you to
buy an extra ticket or you know, anticipate what you're
going to want to drink when you get to the
stadium and send you a coupon for it. So right now,

(01:26:16):
it's mostly on the business side, but there could be
media strategies around it. I mean, fans are using it
all over the place, and you know, spoofing is a
big issue too. But I just think that the trusts.
It's so hard in any brand to build up trust,
and it can evaporate very quickly if there's a scandal

(01:26:36):
and people stop believing what they're watching.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
All right, veteran New York Times sports reporter Ken Belson.
The book is every Day Is Sunday. How Jerry Jones,
Robert Craft, Roger Goodell turn the NFL into a cultural
and economic juggernauts. Fantastic read, Very very interesting, and considering
we are the home of the best Bengals coverage, I
think pretty relevant too to see where things have gone
and where they're going. Can all the best, Good luck
with the book, Thanks for jumping.

Speaker 6 (01:26:58):
On this morning.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
A right, and Gojo Flackham.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
We need we need Joe to go and the your
Jets to go down. That's what we need. That's another
former Jets quarterback elsewhere. Yeah, you get the Jets and
the Browns together with quarterbacks. It's like a it's like
an insynct grinder for God's sake, see you buddy. Yeah, okay,
take care. We'll do a news update here in just
minutes on the Big one seven hundred WWS afore mentioned

(01:27:24):
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We'll have the game for you here, of course, with
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here on seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
The weekend's coming up and you need to make the
most of it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:40):
Where to go and what to do.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
She has the tips and inside to help you make
it a super weekend, So listen up. This is the
Local Loop with Ali mart on seven hundred w LW.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Hey, what's going on your week? Everything good?

Speaker 6 (01:27:54):
It is great. It's chrispy, this is cold.

Speaker 10 (01:27:58):
Actually feel like it's every finances dream because it's puffer
vest season.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Buffer best season. You know the look I know, yeah,
the quarters it yeah. And if you're thick, you look
like a marshmallow. It's like you got to be tall
and bony like you and you get away. You get
away with that. So it's all good. Ally Martin, it's
the Local Loop. Will jump right in. It feels like
it's pumpkin season to be sure with Halloween on the horizon.

Speaker 4 (01:28:22):
Let's go.

Speaker 10 (01:28:23):
Yes, it is a pumpkin season and it's time for
maybe a good haunted tour or if you're going, if
you're going to any haunted houses.

Speaker 6 (01:28:30):
But there's one spot in particular that they're doing it right.

Speaker 10 (01:28:34):
Honestly, they're doing it right just to general because they
have an incredible lineup events that we have two we're
gonna talk about here, and that's Northern Row.

Speaker 6 (01:28:40):
You remember Northern Row. It's a brewery near in over
the Rhine. Really cool, a lot of awesome history. Coming up.

Speaker 10 (01:28:48):
On Thursday, October thirtieth, they're doing this pumpkin painting party
and you're like, well that kind of is that really fun?
And like, yeah, it is fun because they're going to
bring in live music and it's all for free and
you can go and they'll give you pumpkins and you
give you know, they give you all of the material
and everything to use it. It's an extension of what
they're doing called Craft Nights. So yes, it's a pun

(01:29:10):
on words in regards to craft beer. But also they're
bringing in craft artists where they're really encouraging if you're
into whatever it is, maybe you like to crochet, or you.

Speaker 6 (01:29:19):
Do like to paint, or you like to tink her
with some cool stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
I just want to drink.

Speaker 6 (01:29:24):
Then come and drink the craft beer.

Speaker 10 (01:29:25):
On top of this though, because they're doing this pupkin
painting party, they're collaborating with American Legacy Tours because right
down the street is the Linked Tunnels in which they
do their ghost tours. So you can hang out, drink
some beer, and sign up and go do a tour
at the same time and check out the tunnels. If
you've never done it and do the full on ghost tour,

(01:29:48):
it is because you've.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Been out of the tunneling.

Speaker 6 (01:29:52):
Have you done?

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
You have a ghost ghost? Let me tell you you
try to get those guys out next week sometime for Halloween.

Speaker 6 (01:29:59):
You got it. Miranda, she'll have She's our favorite Australia stories.
She has all of the stories.

Speaker 10 (01:30:04):
I have stories myself down there too because of just
going down and having a good relationship with them, and
every single time it's a little different. They give you
different equipment, so ghost hunting equipment, and they turn off
the lights and you're rolling down with.

Speaker 6 (01:30:18):
Just a flashlight.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
What they give you what's ghost setting equipment.

Speaker 6 (01:30:22):
Okay, have you ever seen those copper rods that people
will hold?

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, detexts.

Speaker 6 (01:30:27):
M yeah. So they have the EMF readers, they have
the copper rods.

Speaker 10 (01:30:31):
And I'm not going to get too much into the
history of our city, but the best way to put
it is this city has a lot of trapped energy, cholera,
a lot of death sure.

Speaker 6 (01:30:40):
Back in the day. And there are plenty of ghost
stories to go around. But we'll save that for.

Speaker 4 (01:30:47):
Time.

Speaker 6 (01:30:47):
You will save that for Miranda. But also happening at
Northern Row is a new event called Low and Slow.
Write this down, put this in your calendar.

Speaker 10 (01:30:57):
It's happening on November eighth, So it's not this week,
but is November eighth, and it's all it's an event
honoring firefighters while also raising money and having a barbecue,
a barbecue cocar. So yeah, they're launching a new beer
called Roughneck Lagger. It's an American light ale. And while
they're brewing this also a good portion of the proceeds
are going to be going back to the Cincinnati Firefighters

(01:31:19):
Union Local forty eight, which is a really great organization
that it you know, firefighters protect our community. This is
an organization that protects themselves, so it helps with resources.
It supplies them with access to health and wellness care.

Speaker 6 (01:31:32):
You know taboo.

Speaker 10 (01:31:33):
Mental health is pretty taboo within that community. So being
able to give them those types of resources is it
goes a long way.

Speaker 6 (01:31:42):
So it will be going back to.

Speaker 5 (01:31:43):
The fire.

Speaker 6 (01:31:46):
And the food.

Speaker 10 (01:31:47):
Got oh, you're bringing in pickled pig. You're bringing in
Celia Joe's Brothers barbecue. I got a little scoop that
the pickled pig Gary over there is incredible.

Speaker 6 (01:31:55):
He's doing a smoked lamb ragou with a creamy pol
That probably pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
That's a good cold weather food right there. That is
lamb night.

Speaker 10 (01:32:05):
We're just chef's kiss run that cusp of that. So
I'm sure I'll mention it again in the next couple
of weeks. But November eighth, write it in low and
slow and get back to your firefighter.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
I love it. Okay. This morning I'm driving in listening
to Hawkins and for Tom Brenneman's up doing football this
Weekendnational Games, and he had someone out from the cost
Coffee festival.

Speaker 6 (01:32:24):
Right, you're a coffee guy, like coffee.

Speaker 10 (01:32:27):
Let's go, Yeah, coffee festival is happening this Saturday and
Sunday at the Cincinnati Music Hall. What I do love
about this festival is it's approachable. Where the tickets aren't,
you know, fifty five bucks, it's like twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Why would you need to have much for coffee and wine?
I could see that, but it's coffee.

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 6 (01:32:43):
But you know, sometimes these festivals are like, all right,
what what is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Happening as the water and beans? Let's let's not let's
sixty bucks.

Speaker 6 (01:32:48):
Come on, man, and you're gonna have people who are
running laps in that place and no time.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Talking like this because I'm trying on the cofee. This
is really good. Anything that's really good, This is really good.
You think I talk fast? Now, talk to me after
coffee Fest?

Speaker 6 (01:33:01):
You need a depressant after fall asleep place and.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
No time coffee? This is really good. Anything that's really good,
it's really good. Do you think I talk fast?

Speaker 7 (01:33:11):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Okay, talk to me after coffee fest? You need a
depressant after I'll fall asleep on Monday at nine adhd awful.

Speaker 4 (01:33:21):
There we go.

Speaker 6 (01:33:22):
Michelle's gonna love it. Yeah, So that's happening at the
Society Music Hall.

Speaker 10 (01:33:27):
There's gonna be over sixty different vendors, you know, coffee roasters,
tea shops, chocolate tears, pastry, pastries, and baked goods. What
I really enjoy is a really good latte art throwdown.
So that's one of those things that I like coffee.
I would like to learn more about coffee. I'd like
to invest in a fancy espresso maker and do some
of that fun latte art. Never really have gotten into it,

(01:33:50):
but there is a nuance and there is an art
to it which is pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (01:33:54):
And do you know what takes? What it takes to
have the freshest cup of coffee?

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
Hot water, good water, good good water, water, good filtered water,
filtered water.

Speaker 6 (01:34:06):
Okay, I have that, yeah, And I learned.

Speaker 10 (01:34:08):
This the other day that in order to have like
the freshest cup of coffee is just to grind the
beans right on the spot, which is not always accessible
and easy to do. But if you can grind the
beans and then make a cup of coffee right there,
that's going to be your freshest cup of coffee. And
if you're going into a coffee shop, ask for the
most recent because you know, usually have the they have
like the big jugs that are already pre made, ask

(01:34:30):
for the most recently.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
Or just do a power over right the pour over? Yeah,
and and French press.

Speaker 10 (01:34:36):
I think if you can even again have the beans
grinded there. But that's going to be your your best bet.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Yeah, I'm fine with a at home.

Speaker 6 (01:34:43):
I'm good. See and you're killing and you're killing the planet.
You're one of those you're too lazy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
To say, says the woman who has three Starbucks a
day in a giant plastic cup of a huge straw.

Speaker 6 (01:34:53):
I am offended. I am that is not me walking
through these hallways in environment.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
I watched the thing and I I need it now.
Star making a whole pot of morning on the way
in every day? What's wrong with you?

Speaker 6 (01:35:04):
Hold on, there's a lot to unpack. I'm still offended.
I'm holding on it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
You think I'm a Starbucks screen Yeah, you seem like
I'm a.

Speaker 6 (01:35:10):
Dunk and girly. I'm all about affordability and their coffee
is really good.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
You know what I'm with you? Donkeys, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 6 (01:35:18):
Just the black dark cup and then what.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
Kind of cup do they serve that in?

Speaker 5 (01:35:22):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:35:23):
That's what if I told you I bring my own cup.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
You don't, don't. I'm looking right through you. I see
right through you.

Speaker 6 (01:35:29):
Here's the other thing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
What I do you bring on shopping bag? You're not
one of those people. But I can champagne. I don't
have to. I'm lucky. I remember to wear pants, want
to go to the grocery store. I can't remember to
bring where those toes.

Speaker 6 (01:35:41):
That means this is a sign of Alzheimer's.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Probably is coffee. More like I don't Carozheimer's.

Speaker 6 (01:35:47):
And how many guns you are at that age zero?

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Given when you were at when you were at.

Speaker 6 (01:35:56):
The grocery store, what coffee are you reaching for? If
you're making it from home? Everything is carrec You've never
you don't have like a coffee PI used to.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
But it's like you throw half of it out because
you have. And like in the morning when I when
I get up, okay, so I'm up at arm goes
up five forty five. Yeah, I get I'm making my
coffee my travel mug. Right, bring that in a couple
of two pods and I'm good to go.

Speaker 6 (01:36:16):
How do you feel about the poor over Would you
ever switch to the PA It's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
Much better than the cureate I'll give you that, and
you keep it clean and stuff like that. But I
don't have that kind of time. I'm not getting up
an extra forty five minutes earlier to make a perfect
cup of coffee. I don't care. I need a caffeine out.

Speaker 6 (01:36:28):
I'm a poor over girl. You hear me out.

Speaker 10 (01:36:30):
You get one of those chem x for the hourglass
looking thing. You just put the funnel, you wet the filter,
you throw the grounds in.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
There too much time, one push squeezes the water left.
Don't care. You're not respecting all right on the weekend
five times? Sure don't show up. Sure, Sure, I'm gonna
want it. You're right, you don't want to come up
with my senka.

Speaker 10 (01:36:50):
You know what, you can stay up in Mason because
there's a new coffee shop up there. What is it,
Cameria Coffee.

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
Okay, yeah, I didn't think you could possibly have any
more coffee places, but here we go.

Speaker 10 (01:37:00):
Have to admit Cincinnati we have a killer coffee chop scene,
and we got another one right in your neck of
the woods. And it's a Yemony coffee house. So I
guess it's going for like it's rich flavors, traditional brewing, methods.
You know what, hump breaks to have another cup of coffee.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
Good, just a coffee, just a good cup of black coffee.
I'm good.

Speaker 10 (01:37:22):
And I will say they make a really great good
cup of coffee. They have awesome obviously lattes ChIL Their
chi lat is really good. And they have a series
of different pastries. They do this like baclava cheesecake, a
Dubai cookie. Have you been hearing about how this Dubai
chocolate is taking.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
It's a whole thing and it's expensive as hell?

Speaker 6 (01:37:41):
What is the deal with that?

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
I guess it's really good.

Speaker 6 (01:37:43):
I guess it's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
And they have a by the way, the buye cookiee
chocolate It's chewy.

Speaker 6 (01:37:49):
Sweet and it's absolute perfection.

Speaker 10 (01:37:50):
And almond croissant, different types of breads that go back
to the Amni culture. And I will say I'm a
stickler of a coffee shop that has the right vibe.
And this Camarera, they they pretty much nailed it.

Speaker 6 (01:38:03):
It's big, there's plenty of space.

Speaker 10 (01:38:04):
They have this big booth, a lot of outlets, which
is really important if you want to work, and they
have this little couch area, so maybe check that out
if you're wanting to try and.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
If I can distinguish many coffee and one of the
other coffee is it's just coffee to me. I mean
unless there's like a pumpkin spice.

Speaker 6 (01:38:20):
You've had to have had a bad cup of coffee.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
Oh yeah, I've had bad cups of coffee. I just
like I'd like a dark roast kind of you know
what strong coffee.

Speaker 6 (01:38:28):
You want to Here's the other thing.

Speaker 10 (01:38:29):
If you want to save a couple of bucks, don't sleep.
There's a speedway in Westchester, the Westy Chesty, and they
have one of those fancy smancy coffee machines that makes
the lat taste. So most people who are spending seven
bucks on a lot dance Starbucks. You can go to
the shout out to the speedway.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
I will shout out, hell yeah, because now a lot
of people where they. I mean, it's a machine of
grinds right there for you. It's really good.

Speaker 6 (01:38:53):
I think, you know what, I'm going to put that
to the top.

Speaker 10 (01:38:56):
You may have a fancy machine and you don't need
glass for shout out to the Westchester speed All right,
what else do we have here?

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
We have these scaety or she's crabby about coffee. I
remember that. That's I don't have my coffee this one.
Oh there it is.

Speaker 6 (01:39:09):
Yeah, I was on the run this morning.

Speaker 10 (01:39:12):
Anyway, the Society Comic expos in town, Superman Legacy, meet
and greet. All Right, Am I a comic girly? Heck no,
but I feel like you would be a comic guy.

Speaker 6 (01:39:22):
Why don't you talk?

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
No, you just mentioned this. I'm surprised Jack Crumley is
not kicking.

Speaker 6 (01:39:27):
The store or Ricky Chino. I feel like he's one
of those Tom Key.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
I know he's more sports, but Jack Crumley's definitely our
Jack Crumley definitely loves him.

Speaker 6 (01:39:34):
So yeah, to be honest, I put this on the list.

Speaker 10 (01:39:37):
And I really don't know a whole lot about the
comic scene, but it is Friday is Sunday at the
Sherfield Convention Center at Superman. I think they're really leaning
into that theme. They have their normal celebrity like cud
list lineup.

Speaker 6 (01:39:49):
That's just funny though, makes it even.

Speaker 10 (01:39:52):
Better because you know what people still will show up
and and if they're those celebrities are accessible, which is nice,
and you can gear autographs and this is where the
case play really comes out. I'm always super I think
this is pressed by yea by those comic people will
spend an entire year to make a single outfit and

(01:40:13):
it is intense and I applaud that and perfect time
a year because then if you were to make a
cosplay outfit, you can wear for Halloween.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Right right? Perfect killed it. So yeah, scene, But I
know people that do it, it's like it's yeah, is
it any different than someone who put where's a Joe
Burrow jersey? It's the same?

Speaker 6 (01:40:31):
Ye Did you ever collect comics?

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Never collected them? I mean SoC I was never really
like a comics. I read them, but I wasn't like
collecting into the whole storyline and the yeah, yeah, it's
just a it's just a soap opera in print. Basically,
it's a story so well and.

Speaker 6 (01:40:46):
Like animey anime sons in time. So I want to
understand it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:53):
Yeah, I have a hard time. But you know, there's
that's the thing. It's a beauty the world. There's so
much things it's just not my thing. Maybe anything that's
not my fine, but I think that's kind of the
beauty behind it. And I always of comic art, I
think that's kind of cool.

Speaker 10 (01:41:05):
Well, speaking of art, came across a pretty cool concept
called art Drops Cincinnati. Just learned about this yesterday and
it's this new local art engagement project project. So long
story short, this community is working with local artists around
town and every week they collect a different piece of art.

(01:41:26):
So it could be sculpture, it could be a painting,
you name it, and they're dropping it somewhere randomly in
the city, all within two seventy five and they give
you clues enhanced on social media and if you find it,
it's yours to keep. Oh cool, I'm like, this is
actually a really cool qua. There are some really great
artists in town that deserve to have.

Speaker 6 (01:41:46):
Number One. It highlights the artists, It allows you to
kind of explore.

Speaker 10 (01:41:49):
Its a little bit of a treasure hunt and a
lot of the times it's in whether maybe it's like
in a cool urban spot or in a park, and
it allows you to explore the city.

Speaker 6 (01:41:57):
But then you also get to keep the art.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
Works like a Pokemon go monet.

Speaker 6 (01:42:00):
Yeah in real life's fine and stuff actually get to
keep it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
How do you get in on this?

Speaker 6 (01:42:05):
So you go to art dash drops dot com. I
signed up.

Speaker 10 (01:42:10):
Also just follow them on social media. On Instagram is
the best way to go about it. And that's where
those clues happen every single week. So they highlight what
the art is going to be, They highlight the artist,
and then they show the little glimpse of where it's placed.

Speaker 6 (01:42:22):
And then it's on YouTube.

Speaker 10 (01:42:24):
Maybe you know it, maybe you don't, okay, and then
if you can find it, it's yours to keep.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
We have go go in here. But the abvis too
is we've got uc homecoming which is gonna be huge
and run Clifton. And then you've got Bengals game Day
on Sunday with the Jets in toown. A great weekend
to be downtown. Lots of stuff going on, so you know,
if you're looking to do stuff before the football game,
coffee after the games, get some coffee to get your
art thing. We've got football all over the place this weekend.

(01:42:48):
She's Ali Martin. It's a local loop this morning on
seven hundred. WA should be back next Friday. I'm sure
it'll be all Halloween related on Halloween, so I can't
wait for that. All right, go get some coffee, I will,
and RelA, I'm gonna go to Duncan get some cafee
and relaxed. I like Dunk Duncan's fine. I did the
midnight Dunk in Midnight Yeah yeah, that's the dark one

(01:43:09):
dark so good, so good. Yeah. And the reason I
do the Starbucks because the cureing the Starbucks are all over.
They don't have the Duncan little pods and sailors of
the Kroger, So I'm all about the value. Have a
great weekend, Ali Martin at the Local Loop that's her
YouTube channel, and at Ali Martin at or social feed
it's the Local Loop every Friday morning. Have a great weekend.

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