10-30-25 Scott Sloan Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Don't want to be an American.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's got so lun show back on seven hundred Woldy
got election coming.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Up to Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Levy's in a dozen places, local offices, and there's a
big CPS renewal. We've got the mayor's race, of course,
and some twenty six people. It feels like three thousand
people trying to place in the top nine. So twenty
six people looking for nine jobs in a Sea Down
council on this and more. Is the person who controls
it all. That would be the director of the Hamlin
County Board of Elections, Sherry Poland, welcome back.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
How are you.

Speaker 4 (00:31):
I'm doing well, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
You always in a good mood.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
This is like right now I would be just crabby
af you know what I mean, because you got so
much coming at you right now.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
All right, so we'll start with this.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
The polls up on Tuesday, six thirty am to seven
thirty I believe correct, that's.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
Crack six thirty am to seven thirty pm.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Don't forget the driver's license.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
That's correct, that's correct. A few years ago, Hi Ohio
changed these acceptable forms of ID for voting, so in
order to vote in person, you do need to have
a State of Ohio driver's license or a State of
Ohio identification card, or a passport or military ID. So
make sure it's not expired. Make sure it's up to

(01:14):
date before you come to the polls.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Okay, I bring one that's expired, I forget it. What happens,
I can vote, no problem.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
If you do not have an acceptable form of ID,
you will be issued what we call a provisional ballot.
It's the same ballot that's issued to every other voter
you would market, but instead of scanning it and having
it counted election night, it's placed inside what we call
a provisional envelope and that has your identifying information on it.

(01:43):
You fill that out after election day. Bipartisan teams verify
the information on the envelope, and the voter has four
days after election day, so that's the Saturday after election
day to come to the Board of Elections and present
an acceptable form of ID. If they do, then that
ballot will be added to the official count, which occurs

(02:05):
a few weeks after election day. I do want to
note that if you're in that, find yourself in that
situation right now. So your driver's license or state idea
is expired. Go to the BMV before you come to
the polls. That interim documentation that the BMB gives you
while your identification is being mailed to you, that interim
idea that's good for driving purposes, it's also acceptable for voting.

(02:29):
So if you have that, you will not have to
vote provisionally.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Okay, got it. Let's talk about the early voting numbers.
How early voting the absentee ballots, and how does the
request compared to previous elections and what does that tell
you about what's going to happen Tuesday?

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Yeah, So absent te voting, which is that umbrella that
contains both voting by mail and early in person voting.
We're pretty much right on track as to the twenty
twenty one election. So four years ago, once again Cincinnati
was voting council members, mayor this election, that turnout is
tracking right on pace with that twenty twenty one election.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Okay, compare that to like the presidential cycle, the last
presidential election, so one twenty percent.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Okay, what are we talking?

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yeah, so in twenty twenty one, county wide, we saw
a twenty six percent turnout. City Cincinnati is slightly lower
in twenty five percent. Compare that to a presidential where
we see a seventy two percent turnout. So unfortunately, we
don't see the turnout in odd numbered years elections than

(03:36):
we do in the even years. But you know, we
it's kind of hard for us in the business to
understand why that happens, because we are voting for our
local elected officials. These are the folks that really have
an impact on our day to day lives. So I
encourage everyone if you haven't voted yet, voted yet early
voting in person is still ongoing through Sunday, and then

(04:00):
you know your polls will be open in your community
on election Day, get out and vote.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
I would say it's simply but it's marketing, I think, right,
because in a presidential cycle, it's in your face all
the time.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
You're getting tons of robo calls.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Social media feed is packed with political messages and bickering.
You turn on a streaming show or TV and you're
inundated with political messages. President presidential visis front and center,
and I think it just the marketing drives more people
to polls.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
That's my theory.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah. Absolutely. Something else we see is that you know,
sometimes controversial issues will bring voters out to the polls.
So two years ago, twenty twenty three odd year, you know,
election again looking electing local officials, we saw a higher turnout.
I think we saw a forty eight percent turnout in
twenty twenty three. But that your abortion, marijuana. We're both

(04:49):
on the ballot, So the issues can also drive out turnout.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, yeah, And I think that's probably a good point too,
is the more globally issued. That's a state issue. But
everyone's like, okay, I can identify with that. You start
talking about millage and levees and school boards and dogcatchers,
people's eyes glaze over, rightly or wrongly. I think that's
how we're programms. Like I got my ballot where we
just moved to and looked at and were like three
or four things on there, and most of them were
fairly inane. There's a levee issue which I voted on,

(05:15):
but the other ones are like, I don't know who
these people are. Did some research found out some of them?
Other ones I just and the ones I looked at
when I have no idea who they are. I can't
find any information on them. I just left blank, which
is the same.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
You kid, you can absolutely skip the contest. That is
your right to do that. But I think you bring
up another very good point, and that is to become
an informed voter. And it's easy to do if you
vote by mail, because that ballot is mail to your house.
You can fit take your time to the research. However,
for this election, voting by mail has ended. That ended

(05:49):
on Tuesday. Anyone who wished to vote by mail had
to submit an application to the board by this past Tuesday,
Chamber twenty, so voting by mail has ended. But what
you can do if you are going to vote in
person then is go on to our website vote Hamilton County,
Ohio dot gov. Vote Hamilton County, Ohio dot gov. Go
onto our website and you can look up your sample
ballot on our website so it looks almost identical to

(06:13):
the ballot you'll receive when you walk into the polling place.
So reviewed ahead of time, do your research like you did,
and become an informed voter so there's no surprises when
you walk into the polling place. You can go in
knowing how you want to cast your ballot.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Scott's Onland with Sherry Poland she's the director Hamilin County
Board of Elections. Got the election coming up Tuesday. If
you're in person, at six point thirty relative to that, Sherry,
you know, you mentioned the twenty right around twenty six
percent turnout right around that maybe twenty five one.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Out every four voters in the city.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
And sometimes issues will bring out more people on off
year elections, as this one is because you don't have
the hype of the presidential I understand that, and I
think people are just fatigued too going I'm going to
take a knee here this year.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
I don't need to show.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
But I thought, you know, with the crime issue in Cincinnati,
and I know you can't get in and that's not
your area concern, you're just managing the election. But I thought,
for sure, with the interesting crime downtown and the number
of people running for counsel, that would I get I guess,
maybe drive more people out.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
That surprised me, you know, and it's still a possibility
on election day. You know, the majority of voters in
Hamilton County still choose to vote on election day, so
you know, we might see that higher turnout come.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
Then.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
You know, I don't have a crystal ball that tells
me that, But well I'll find out on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, exact, we'll find out together on Tuesday. Regarding that too,
how many more people this year and I'm sure you're
looking at the trend and it's just align almost straight upward.
Would guess the number of people taking advantage of the
very generous way we can vote early in the Buckeye State,
where like me, I just would rather have it mailed
to my house. I'd get a cup of coffee, sit
there on a Sunday afternoon morning, I guess before football

(07:49):
and figure out who I'm and what I'm voting for,
do a little research. Whereas typically you don't have that
kind of time. You feel pressured if you're standing there
in queue, and then you know, getting into the booth
itself to actually punch the draw the little circles. I guess,
not punch the card, but draw the circle. This is
easier to know how many more people are taking advantge
are we see that trend continue upward?

Speaker 4 (08:09):
What we're seeing continue to trend upward is the early
in person voting. It's just become you know, extremely extremely
popular in Hamilton County. It started when we moved the
board of elections away from downtown to our current facility
in Norwood. You know, it's more centrally located in the
county that we serve. We have you know, a large

(08:31):
amount of free public parking, and that's that is what's
trending upward, is that early in person vote voting every
election we outpass the last similar election. When it comes
to that, voting by mail is you know, sort of
holding study or maybe dropping slightly. You know, during twenty twenty,

(08:51):
we had many many people vote by mail, obviously due
to the pandemic, and we thought that perhaps that trend
would continue because now we have so many people that
were never exposed to voting by mail before, they might
have found it to be very convenient. But that didn't happen.
After twenty twenty, we went back to the majority of

(09:13):
Hamiltons County voters casting the ballot the traditional way at
the polling place on.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Election I hate that's happening.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
I don't know, you know, I think one way. You know,
we live in the Midwest. We like our traditions. You know,
I know a lot of people that say to me,
you know, no, I go into my polling place on
election day. That's a sacred day. To me, that's what
I do and I'm not going to deviate, you know,
from that, which you know, I think is interesting. Then
we have a lot of people with the early voting.

(09:42):
You know, we have voting for almost a month at
our Early Vote Center, and it is and people find
it to be, you know, extremely convenient. I will note
obviously on election day you must go to your assigned
polling place, which is based on where you live, whereas
at the Early Vote Center, you know, anyone who lives
of matter where you live in Hamilton Counties, your registered voter,

(10:03):
you can come and vote the Early voat Center. So
many times we see families coming together so where they
might be you know, assigned to different polling places because
they don't all live, you know, in the same home.
We see a lot of people sort of making a
family event and coming together the Early Votes Center, then
going going out to eat or something like that afterwards,
or sort of the stories that we that we hear

(10:24):
and again it's it's extremely convenient. And the hours that
we have I will note we're open today and tomorrow
from seven thirty am to seven thirty pm Saturday, eight
am to four pm. Early voting ends on Sunday, and
it's the shortest hours we have by state law. We're
open from one pm to five pm on Sunday, so

(10:44):
still plenty of time to come on and vote early
in person at the.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Board Cherry Poland with all the event of early voting,
and you know, they're still traditional south there. I don't
know how young people do that, because you know young people,
they'll probably mail it in. I mean, if you could
text your vote in the all over that I would guess.
Maybe I'd be that way too, I suppose. But how
is this changing how you tabulate the elections? And normally
you're sitting around waiting for the results to come in.

(11:09):
Sometimes it's the middle of the night when they come.
You know, if you're voting early, either in person, by
mail or however, you have those votes and of course
you have them in hand and you're ready to release
those results the minute the polls closed. So you got
a lot of stuff done up front, so to speak.
How does that changed your job and also when the
results come out, Yeah, that's.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
A great question. You know, in the state of Ohio,
we are permitted election officials are permitted to process those
vote by mail ballots as soon as they come in.
You have a handful of states that won't allow the
election officials to begin those acts of preparation until election warning.
But in Ohio, we can verify all the information that's

(11:49):
contained on the envelope ahead of time as soon as
we receive it. Once we determine that that vote by
mail ballot is accepted for counting, we remove the ballot.
It scanned, it's not tabulated, it's scanned, and the cast
vote record is what we call it is stored. And
then the ballot is stored in a secure facility here

(12:09):
at the Ware of Elections. Then on election night, as
soon as the polls closed at seven point thirty one PM,
we then hit the tabulate button, so the no ballots
are counted until the polls closed. But we are permitted
to do those acts of preparation.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, scam, get him ready to go, so that makes
the results come in here. And that's a big question here,
Sherry Poland. Is it's not about you know, free and
open elections and exercising your constitutional right to cast your
vote one person, one voice, and one vote, as the
case may be.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
This is not about that.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
This is about Brian Combs, our assistant news director, wants
to know what time he can go home on Tuesday,
Tuesday night.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Again, I don't have a crystal ball that would that
would tell me that we hope, always hope at one
hundred to be one hundred percent report before eleven pm,
you know. And again just to talk a little bit
more about the election night count and how that works.
We mentioned the early votes that's early in person and

(13:11):
by mail are the very first ballots that are tabulated
and released on election night, and then it's a little
bit of a waiting game for those ballots to come
in from the polling places all across Hamilton County. And
that's because our voting equipment is not connected to the internet.
In fact, that doesn't they don't even have the capability
of being connected to the internet. So the physical delivery

(13:33):
of the ballots and the equipment from the bipartisan poll
workers to the bipartisan teams at the Board of Elections,
so it takes a little time for them to come in.
So we'll usually we have a few early pickup locations
will actually send teams out from the board so we
can have some results trickling in early. You know, usually

(13:54):
between eight thirty and nine, but the majority of those
ballots arrives at the board around so that's typically when
we start to see you know, most of the results
come in between nine thirty and ten thirty, and again
we always hope to be at one hundred percent, you know,
before before eleven o'clock. We know it's a long day.
We know everyone is anxiously awaiting and constantly hitting that

(14:17):
refresh button. But you know, a latch and officials will
never trade you know, security and accuracy for speed, So
I'll just have to be a little bit patient to
make sure their results coming in are accuracy.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
I know you have last minute preparations. You got to
go check the tires, make sure the dipstick has oil
in it. You got to go make sure the voting
machines everything's ready to go. You're a busy lady. I
always appreciate it talking to you and enjoy our conversations
and appreciate what you do for Democracy's an important thing,
even especially in off years when you have lower turnout
and probably fewer workers to deal with, et cetera. So

(14:49):
all the best, Sherry poland thanks again for coming on
the show. How about a nice quiet Tuesday. Does that
sound good?

Speaker 4 (14:55):
That sounds wonderful to me.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
It does. You've seen some stuff, yeah, we have.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
But we have a great team here at the Board
of Election. I cannot praise the staff here and now
if it's truly a place where Democrats and the Republicans
come together to do the people's work. So got to
have a shout out.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
To them all the best.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Cherry, be well, good luck, Thank you, Sherry poland that
as you're a director Hamiley County Board of Elections and
love it.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
She's great.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
She's just a great personnel, a great person and really
cares about her job and the integrity of the election
above all else. So six thirty am Tuesday, if you're
an in person voter, go get it done. If you
already did it, like me, just sit back and wait
for results to come in. And I have no idea
what to tell Brian Combs. This is all about Colms
is like, Hey, you're talking to Sherry Paul. Ask her
when she thinks I can go home. It's all about him.

(15:45):
You know, this democracy of two hundred and fifty years
still a long time, and we tabulate the elections and
sometimes they're contentious, sometimes we fight two thousand comes to mind,
and basically they're in the ought So we had a
lot of contentious elections. Along came her voting kind of
eased the process, made a little bit easier.

Speaker 6 (16:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
It wasn't like three or four o'clock in the morning.
There weren't all these challenges and stuff like that, especially
on off here. We're not going to get that. All
Brian Combs wants to know, despite all of that history,
despite it being the cornerstone of our constitution, of our
whal life here in America, one person, one vote, all
Brian Combs cares about is what time he can go

(16:25):
home and have a beer. Scott's Loan Show, seven hundred
World Slowly seven hundred w welw interesting. Sherry poland director
Hamlin County Goe just on the show last half hour.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
If you missed, it'll be on the podcast following the show.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
The turnout so far, the projection is right around twenty
five twenty six percent, which is where we've been in
previous elections. I'm not that politically savvy to analyze it
and break it down like Chuck Todd and tell you
what all that means. And reading the Tea leaves because
generally even people like that are notoriously wrong about those projections.
I don't know if that helps or hurts the incumbents,
and that would be the members of council. But in particular,

(17:06):
this is going to be somewhat of a referendum on
AFT have pure vol. Pure Vol most likely is going
to win. Right, you have incredible amount of funding. You
have the deep blue Democratic machine of Hamlin County and
therefore the city Cincinnati even deeper blue because you don't
have the outlying suburbs. Uh that in the fact you're
the incumbent. It's kind of an off year. There's not

(17:27):
really big issues out there. Yeah, maybe to some degree CPS,
but that's a renewal levee. Uh, nobody's really driving the
vote out here. Does that help or her to after
to have pure vol? But not AFT have because I
think he wins maybe a little closer than he'd like,
for sure. And it's not an you know, it's certainly
not an indictment of Corey Bowman in his campaign. I

(17:48):
THO did a pretty good job, but there's baggage there
in deep blue Hamlet County. Being the brother of JD.
Vans and being a Republican. But I think though that
I would have been around long enough to maybe see
this is that you wonder though, if the voters aren't
going to take it out on Counsole. So you have
twenty six people running for nine seats, something's gonna give,

(18:12):
And I wonder what council looks like come Wednesday morning
at that point, or shockingly, what if the same nine
people or maybe I don't know, one or two change
the body of Counsole. I don't think you're gonna see
you know, we'll throw all the bums out kind of mentality,
but it's gonna be interesting. But the turnout, you think,
with crime being center stage, and I'll have Liz keating

(18:33):
on it later on the show, actually ten oh seven
this morning, I'll ask her specifically about what she's seeing
on the streets, because she's working really hard, seeing a lot.
She's been really aggressive campaigning, a lot of money behind her,
a lot of TV ads, a lot of print, a
lot of social media signage and stuff like that. So
she's really leaning her shoulder in this wan. I'd be
surprised if she doesn't win a seat at this point.

(18:55):
As hard as she's worked and also the track record
and say what she says about all this stuff. And yesterday,
of course the drama, the steady direct from city council.
It's like, people go, why are you still talking? Why
do you talk about this every day? Because every day
there's something new. You know, before the day before it
was well, now the city's hiring a law firm for
forty to fifty grand to find out why we fired

(19:16):
Terry Thigi after we fired her what And then yesterday
it was friends and family members of Terry Thigi wearing
I Support Chief thig t shirt showing up the council
and having their saying really going at city council. I
think there's a thing too for most people, you know,
average voters, people show up and that probably maybe just
every four years even for a presidential if that is like,

(19:37):
don't understand how it all works with council that they
essentially control the purse strings. But okay, so Afteb's the
mayor and then you get cheer along the city manager
and then when they fire Thiji, Afteb says, well that's
a city manager.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
You're gonna have to hit her.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
And then the city manager says well, I can't really
comment the personnel issue. So you've got all these people
with just ample amounts of cover, and the mayor will
blame council, councilill blame the city manager's city manager blames
the council and it's just there's no accountability there. And
I think the core of it, that's what's frustrating that
in the just the dire the horrible lack of communication

(20:15):
from this administration on help plowing the streets, fixing the potholes.
You know, they had a what was it in a
contest for people to come up with ways to let
the city know where the potholes are? Well, what the
hell is that? We had the big mac Bridge fire?
How is that handled poorly? You can't, of course expect

(20:36):
to have the city streets and now to wash with
traffic when you close a major artery like that. I
get that, but it took two weeks before anybody said, oh, yeah,
we probably should come up with a plan here. And
I could go on and on about the violence this summer,
and that's what voters are staring at. We'll find out
on Tuesday, as they say, and I know that goes
without saying, but I'm interested see what the fallout is
from this whole thing, if any, because I'll be honest

(20:59):
with you, if nothing really changes here and you're in
the city and you're concerned about this stuff, and just
vote for these same people you've always voted for, you
know what, I don't get it. We just had a
no King's protest and there's a lot of overlap. You Now,
there are different different beliefs, but there's a lot of
overlap between what we're talking about with the mayor of
Cincinnati and the President of the United States, And so

(21:19):
if you're really anti one, I don't know how this
isn't creep in and go, wow, we've got a leadership
problem in this country, whether it's Democrats or Republicans for
that matter, anyway more than that ten oh seven list
keating Council. I'm looking to get back into council here,
and we'll get to her coming up in just a
few here on seven hundred WLW. You don't one of
my chronic complaints, the bitch and moan factor. I don't
know if it's a complaint real, it's observation.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I went to college, my wife went to colle who
met a college, went to university, did what we're supposed
to do, because back in the eighties I would not
particularly bright as you know back then, but you just
needed like a pulse and a number two pencil, like
yeah you got those two things. Ah yeah, okay, come
on and we'll take you today a whole different thing.
You know, even a I don't under say the great
point average. Generally a four point is a good perfect.

(22:02):
Now we've got people with above a four point grade
point average and still can't get into their core classes
or a program to study because we have made college
more important than it should be. And I say that
not because I think college is a wasted time, waste
of money. It is for some people. We still need
people in the stems, and there's still doctors and nurses

(22:23):
and engineers and mathemagicians and the real fingers out there.
But the problem is when you allowed the federal government
to come in and make money off of this through
federalizing the loans and the whole scam, and I'll call
it the college scam, where you have people coming in
not knowing what they're going to do. You know, it
used to be go in and change your major eleven
times and you know you have your loan paid off
in a recentable bond of time. It still took my

(22:43):
wife and I and we graduated in the early nine
well late late daies, early nineties, it still took us. Yeah,
it wasn't quite ten years, but took us a while
to pay those loans off. Now more chance do you have.
And I think that's part of the problem. You know,
if you go in you're gonna go get a degree
in medicine or something, but you're still going to get
like a philosophy degree or archaeology or art history or

(23:05):
something like that. I mean, why are we still offering
those majors? And it's not an indictment of one university.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
It's a system. It's the entire system.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
But if you don't think it's about money, it's about
higher education and the best way I don't know. I
got a call like it is. So our friends at
Zavier University have changed how the campus living requirement is.
So starting fall of next year, if you go to
X you need to live on campus now for three years.

(23:33):
And that applies to students ages seventeen to twenty one.
If you're commuting or living with a parent or Guardian,
different story, but they're going to force you to stay
on campus now for an extra year. And unfortunately, students
are not happy about this because I think the student
body president said it's the most unpopular policy changed by far,
because they never asked us. We found about it on
social media. Let's just and Xavier says, no, no, no, no, no,

(23:58):
this is not this is not about money. It's this
is what future students want and families want, and it's uh,
it pays benefits because we tend to get higher graduation
rates and there's a sense of community and other school
but other schools are doing I always hate that other
schools are doing it, you know, Georgetown and Notre Dame
are doing it. I'm not quite sure because I'm looking

(24:20):
at the numbers going off campus rent is according to
the story, about five fifty a month.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Right right around that. That's a sweet spot.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Off campus, and then that's a on campus housing.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
They're getting up to like fifty six hund do per semester.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
So I add that up.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Okay, that's five to fifty a month, five fifty six
hundred for semester. But you're still talking, you know, just
basic math, that's ten times more than rent. But all right,
so a semesters three fee, Yeah, you know you're still
paying a quite a high premium here, and you know
it's between twenty seven hundred and fifty six hundred per semester,

(25:00):
depending what kind of room you have, versus five fifty
a month. And that's a substantial price difference right there.
And you know, I'm sorry when when you know you're
dealing with and Xavier's open about this, dealing with an
operating budget. They're trying to figure out a new way
to address the shortfall and the tuition revenue. When it

(25:20):
starts to go in the other direction, though, what does
that mean? You've got all these shiny business of these buildings.

Speaker 6 (25:25):
You have.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Professors and administrators and staff you want to keep home
and pay them and keep the lights. And there's a
lot of overhead with this thing. But yeah, I don't know.
Now we're going to go going to force students stay
on campus because I think it's gonna work, It's gonna
be high retention rates.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
I don't know if I'm buying that.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
I look at it more pragmatically than that, and go,
I think it's about money. I think it's about about
jault wanting to keep that cash because you move off campus.
Now I'm not living the dorm. I'm living I'm doing
my and what I went through it. I think at BG,
when I was in the back in the day, it
was two years and even. And then I thought that
first semester, you know, first year school, you're a freshman.

(26:03):
You don't know what's going on, especially me. I was
the first one in my family to go, so I
had no guidance whatsoever. Just kind of is like feral
and back. But after that first year, you kind of like, Okay,
I got this down. And by the second, like the
first end of the first semester, second year in the dorm,
you're like, I, you know, I can't wait to get
the hell out of here. I can't wait to get
my own apartment. I can come and go as I please,

(26:24):
and there's no ra and I could do we can
you know, you can do beer, you know, get a
keg and beer bongs and kegstands and smoke weed and
stuff you can't do anymore because I think they send
you to guantanamo if you sip a beer under the
age of twenty one. Nonetheless, that's what we're faced with
and so that was like, yeah, two three years is
just there's no reason for that builds a sense of community.
I you know what, it's four years of my life, okay,

(26:47):
and I have great I still have friends from college,
sure that I don't talk to all that often, but
still friends, and I probably should talk to them more.
But at the same time, it's like, okay, I build
that sense of community that was not a dorms. I
was like extra cricketer kind of stuff. So I look
at this and go, yeah, it just feels like a
money grab to me. And I'm kind of with the
students on that one. And it's tough enough to pay

(27:08):
for college. I got to pay more because you're forcing
me at gunpoint to stay on campus.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
And maybe because it's a Jesuit private institution, maybe there's
something there, but I don't. At least at a public school.
It feels different to me. And we're starting to see,
you know, as we have few and fewer people. I
heard a story I forgot where I heard this that
for the first time ever. I was in news yesterday
and I forget who was saying it. But the first
time in our two hundred and fifty years of existence
as a country. We have more people aged sixty and

(27:35):
older than people I think it was eighteen and older.
So you know, we're getting a lot older, agetting a
lot gray, or is the point, and fewer people going
to college at least for an extended period of time
before we start to have more babies or more immigrants
with kids. Colleges are going to suffer from this, and

(27:56):
you wonder what that's going to look like with the contraction.
I would think that, and we're seeing it ready. Some
colleges simply not gonna be able to survive. And you're
also going to have to look at quite honestly, and
they should and should have done this for a long
time when they're fat and happy. Didn't have to now
all of a sudden when you're looking for people to
show up like it was when I was a kid. Right,
because it's about population trends, you're not gonna have to
be as selective to go to school. So maybe the
days of a pulse and number two pencil are back

(28:18):
in vogue. But it wouldn't be a number two pencil
because that's old. I guess it would be a I
don't know, a cell phone and a tablet and a pulse.
So we're starting to see the effects now of the shutdown.
I've been talking about this the past few days, and
the SNAP benefits expiring on Saturday, and you know, the
political will power standing your ground and Republicans are saying, nope,

(28:39):
we're not moving on this.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Democrats say nope, we're not moving on this. In the meantime, the.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Rest of us, the taxpayers, get screwed because our side
has to win at all costs. Rather than governing and
representing us and doing the hard work of governing, it's
easier to simply draw a line in the sand and
say we're not going to cross this.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
So for principle, but we're starting.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
To see the effects going from the eater at the
beginning for the first few weeks of this thing, to
actual damage or people get hurt anyway, and it would
be the SNAP people for sure. And now we're starting
to see those members of the federal workforce and contractors
that get paid. And now air travel is getting to
be a problem here, seven thousand flights today, the delayed
nationwide on Monday. Air traffic controls. I mean, look at

(29:19):
it this way. If you say what you want about
federal workers, and when we do, we do need some
federal workers. We have, for example, right in the listening
area right in our backyard here our good friends in Dateon,
which I considered just like you know, we're a big
radio station. We get a lot of listeners in Dayton
as well. You got right pat Air Force Base and
all the businesses around there. All those people suffer because

(29:40):
people aren't spending money, and that hurts the bottom line,
That hurts the economy, It hurts working folks. The FAA
is saying staffing shortages and ground delay programs at Newark,
close to Cousin to close Austin. Now I see some
of the big it used to be like the little ones.
We're like, oh, okay, so you know, maybe Louisville has
a little bit of a problem for a bit. I know,
Nashal bigger city for sure, but you know, it's not

(30:01):
affecting the major airports. And now we're starting to see, Okay, Newark,
which is always jacked up. Newark's the worst headache in America.
But Dallas, now we're starting to see this. And yeah,
when you start not paying people because of the shutdown,
people are saying, well, I'm not going to show up
to work. Now. You know, if you're an official, you
have to show up. You just have to do that.
I don't understand that, Like, wait, wait a minute, a lot.

(30:22):
I did the job where you don't pay me, and
you don't pay me for a couple of weeks and
then you still expect me to show up. What am
I stupid? What was I born yesterday? I mean I
might do that for a minute or two, but by
and large, I think most people are like, yeah, how
many sick days?

Speaker 3 (30:36):
I got? How many vacation days? Because this is stupid.
I don't even know if I'm ever going to get paid.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
And this is important because we're heading into the fall
travel season. You're not quite the Thanksgiving yet. We got
a few weeks that you just wonder how much longer
it's going to go. It doesn't seem like they have
the political impasis to get this thing done anytime soon.
But yeah, once you get into and the reason why
these things last about thirty days, because then people start
to really know it's not just the inconvenience of a
park being shut down, or trash not getting paid or

(31:04):
a lawn not getting cut now you start to see it.
You know, the impact be a little bit deeper here.
And when it comes to the snap benef it's simply
a freestore food bank. I occurred riber on the show
on Monday and he had his appeal out there, We're
gonna have to hand out more meals and we just
we're gonna try. We're gonna squeeze our venders a little
bit more and try to get more money and more
meals out there and more donations.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Hopefully you consider it.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Do Nation of the free store food Bank because they
do great work in like twenty counties in our area.
But that's not going to be enough to fill the
void here. It is simply is not going to And
you know it has to do with up politics and dronaline.
I get it. You know the ACA is jacked up.
Should we be using subsidy to pay for healthcare benefits? No,
it just makes it more expensive. But then have an alternative,

(31:45):
have a plan. And that's the problem. We shut down
government and we don't have a plan for fixing why
we're shutting government down in the first place. So it
seems to me like you'd want to get back in
there and actually work the problems instead of pointing the
finger at the other guy saying it's his, fat, her fault,
and actually work for the American people, which is the
problem I have with politics, and a lot of people do.
It's exhausting and it's painful for a lot of folks,

(32:08):
for sure. There's just no way around it. You can
talk about who's getting snapped benefits and the legal aliens,
and that's all well and good, but the bulk of
people that are getting those benefits are senior citizens. A
number of them are veterans, but a lot of them
are working families where you're working two or more jobs
and you need that assistance to get by. That's the
reality of it. So I don't know how this fixes it.

(32:29):
But you can say they should be getting it, or
this person should be getting it. That's all well and good.
That's the system that's set up. And if you don't
like it, then change the damn system. Do you do
that by not getting together in meeting? And the answer
is new It is not five new arrests now made
in connection with a louver heist. We've got enough going on.
Had to pay attention without worrying about Paris. But I

(32:49):
think it's just just a fascinating things. They continue to
make more and more investigations and by the way, still
no sign and what they stole, I don't know. I'm
Italian enough to go. They melt that stuff down, they
whacked up the those rocks, and they're they're all around
the world right now. I want to think that's the case,
Like that's why they stole the jewels in the first place.
Instead of artwork. You don't steal the Bona Lisa, you

(33:09):
steal the crown jewels and it's you know, once you
start breaking those up, yeah, you know they're worth what
one hundred and two million dollars with the eight jeels
as they stole they ate, I guess settings whatever you
call them things different pieces that they stole, I guess yeah,
they're gonna be but they're still gonna be worth millions
of dollars because you're talking about rare gemstones. And now
they have five people so and now the place are saying, uh,

(33:32):
it may not be an inside job after all, which
I think is interesting. It seemed like it would be
an inside job. But the cameras are turned the wrong
way and a whole bunch of stuff you know you
got ladders up against the wall. If somebody didn't know
something on the inside there, we'll find out. But five
more rests of this ring. It's certainly as fascinating, that's
for sure.

Speaker 7 (33:48):
All right.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
We got weather it's going to rain at least for
the next few hours here, and then we drive for
the kiddos on Halloween tomorrow, and got the time change
happening this weekend and so much more so, it's an
election coming up on Tuesday. Liz Keating is looking for
your vote. And she examined she having been on council.
I guess she's a great person, asked this question. It's
not about, you know, having her on to promote her
agenda what she wants to do, which I think is refreshing.

(34:09):
But this is more about why is some council pushing
back on the mayor and the city manager?

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Why maybe some answer for us?

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Next Scottsland Show on the Home of the Best Bengals
coverage seven hundred WWT since then, want.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
To be an American?

Speaker 2 (34:25):
On Thursday morning here seven hundred ww Good news is
we dry up this afternoon. We dry up this afternoon
and looks good for trick or treaters tomorrow, right, so
we care about weekend looks good? Uh So yesterday the
steady drip and it is literally a soap opera.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Down at City Hall.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
A couple dozen families and friends of Chief Terry Thiji
showed up to council wearing I stand with Police Chief
Thigi t shirts and they pretty much read after a
pure val sherlong and council the riot Act. So you
had family members there and obviously they love and care
about Terry Thiji and demand that she get a fair
hearing and the city. And the hard part about this

(35:02):
is like very few people, I say, Seth Walsh, I
had councilperson and Albion yesterday and she was demure about
but you know, she's still commented on it. But by
and large it's been really really quiet down there. Family
members slam the investigation now, calling into her leadership in
the question and after the fact that it's political and secretive,
and they're right about that. But the soap opera continues

(35:23):
down at City Hall, and one wonders what happens on
Tuesday on election day. Liz Keating is a former council member.
She's running yet again, and she has been hitting the
streets pretty hard. I keep seeing all her campaign I
think Liz keating by the way, Liz, welcome. I see
a lot of your ads, and you're spending a lot
when it comes to getting the message out.

Speaker 8 (35:42):
We are working our tails off. We want to get
back there and get things back in order in Cincinnati,
so we are doing everything we can to get back.
I love this city too much to see it the
way it is right now.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
You're out campaigning here on the street. What are people saying.

Speaker 8 (35:58):
Everybody is talking about crime. Literally every neighborhood does. No
matter what neighborhood we are in, people are concerned about
the crime. They are concerned about basic services and getting
no response from city hall. And honestly, that's why we're
running crime and the causes of crime, and get back
to being able to actually plow snow when it snows,
and pay the roads and fill the potholes, and get

(36:19):
rid of the litter, and take care of city property
so it's not overgrown and full of graffiti, which are
all things that again attract crimes. You know, just do
the basics, the fundamentals of local government.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
I noticed that not too long ago, a few weeks ago,
there was a summit where they had a contest to
come up with unique ways to let people know that
the potholes have been filled on.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
It's just another one.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
It's like, the pothole problem has been going on for
a long time, and it's literally decades of neglect, right
and we're taking money from the sale of the railroad
and that's going to go in the streets and paving
over potholes. But right up in like ninety days before
the election, all of a sudden, they went gangbusters on
fixing potholes.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Do you think that's a coincidence.

Speaker 8 (36:58):
I don't think it's a coincidence. But if you look
a long term, even the money from the railroad, the
city has not been able to deploy that money very
quickly to pave the roads. If you have all this
money coming in, you need to be prepared. You need
to be able to get the RFPs out, you need
to be able to get the contract signed, and you
need to get the workers on the roads. I mean,
these are tons of jobs which again one get paychecks

(37:19):
going home to families to support more families, So that's
tax revenue right back to the city. And these are
fundamentals that they cannot get right right now, and there's
no conversation from Council like where are these special meetings
being held? Where are the questions? Where are you holding
the administration accountable? Say, why aren't these dollars getting deployed
and we've got to hold up and getting these contracts together?

(37:39):
Then what changes do we need to make legislatively? You're
just not seeing Council act on these fundamentals. They're just
not doing their job, and I'm beyond frustrated by it.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
It is telling that so few people are speaking out
and questioning the administration how they handle the thig thing.
And it's not just that it's you know, there's no
crime plan. I have a crime plan, for sure. I
think it's too little. It's not aggressive enough that you're
looking at outliers or not the root cause of this thing.
I mean, when you go after food trucks instead of
the criminals, it can continue to ruin our city.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
That's telling.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
You're punishing good business owners and people that just simply
want to taco at two o'clock in the morning. Yeah,
you're gonna get a bad element that might show up
and do that, but it's your job to separate the
bad element from the good element. You know, if I
go to a club, or I go to a bar,
or I got a concert, whatever it is, and I
get out and go damn, I'm hungry.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Hey there's a food truck, it's midnight or whatever.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
I'm gonna get a cony dog, I'm gonna get a
slice of pizza, a burger, whatever the hell it is,
and go home, go to bed, fat and happy and
entertain Now they're gonna take that away from the good
people all because it's a very small percentage of people
causing all this nonsense.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 6 (38:45):
It.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
It's the lack of a it's not leaning into the
resources of the state because the optics that makes it
look bad. If crime is a problem, you stamp it out,
You send a message we're not going to tolerate this.
But the more that the Him and Haw live is
keeping the worst crime gets because all you're doing is
enabling that percentage of criminals who are looking to take
opportunities to the to the to the extreme, and we're

(39:06):
seeing that constantly.

Speaker 8 (39:07):
Now, you cannot go after small businesses because you've got
a crime problem. You've got to tackle the root causes
of it. You've got to be tough on the actual crime.
You've got to support the police officers and the chief
and give them room to actually activate. They are the
expertsus is their profession. You've got to give them room.

(39:28):
You can't politicize the police department. You can't shut down
small businesses because you've got a problem. You've got to
figure out what the real problems are and take care
of that. Go after the criminals. And again, if we're
sending a signal thing we are not open for business
for your small businesses, for these mom and pops, it's
saying that we don't want paychecks going home to families,

(39:48):
We don't want to support small families. It is just
absolutely absurd. And you're not seeing counsel go after this
in the right way. It took them week to start
asking questions when they started getting political pressure to do so.
You need to enact right away. It is not that
hard to ask these questions and committee and you don't
have to burn the place down. You can hold administration

(40:09):
accountable and have a productive debate and get things moving
in the right direction. And you're not seeing that. You're
constantly seeing no comment no comment, no comment, no comment.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Why is that?

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Why are work Quiest Council is so afraid to point
the dirty end of the stick at AFTAB and sure.

Speaker 8 (40:24):
Along, I think it's because we've got an election right now,
and that's part of the problem. I want elected officials
who are willing to face the facts and then start
tackling the problems. And right now, no one wants to
talk about the fact. No one wants to talk about
the problems because they're up for election. When you're in
an incumbent and things aren't going well, it's the problem.

(40:45):
But we need elected officials at city Hall who are
willing to face those facts and get right down to
business to fix them. You have to be relentless in
solving problems all the time. You have to be willing
to accept the fact that things aren't going to go
right because it's never going to be perfect. We do
not live in a world where we are where things
are perfect. You have to have leaders who are willing

(41:07):
to fight and continue to solve those problems.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
What are they afraid of.

Speaker 8 (41:12):
It's politics. It's politics. They don't want to look bad,
they don't want to be challenging anybody. They're afraid to
pick their nose out on stuff, and that doesn't enact get.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
You elected if I mean, I've kind of been that
guy in my whole life. If you stand up for
what's right and you have values, you go listen. We're
not going to tolerate this, this secrecy, this incompetence. We're
not going to tolerate the indecision. We want answers. I thought, yes,
counsel this week, they did a great job poking the
bear when it came to the food truck thing, saying well,
this is stupid. There's no evidence that this is encouraging crime,

(41:43):
and they really push back on it. Why can't you
do that when with Chief Thiji or crime or whatever
it is. I just I don't know. It's politics. Yeah,
but how does that cost you anything? By doing what
people sent you to city Hall to do?

Speaker 8 (41:57):
It doesn't cost you anything, no what you're supposed to do.
But I mean, it took weeks to hear from them
on food trucks. The food trucks were shut down. Administration
made that what was it like a month ago? And
it took this long and this many news stories and
this much political pressure to actually get something out of it.
I mean, it's insane. This is not how we need
to be operating as a city. We need much better

(42:19):
leadership down there, and we need people who are not
afraid to ask the tough questions and hold administration accountable.
And that's what I did before, and that's what I
want to go back and do again.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Liz Keating on that the accountability thing strikes me that I,
as a citizen, someone to pays attention to this stuff.
And I can't imagine how citizen feels. You've almost got
You've got these enemies, You've got AFTAB, puer Vault, you've
got share Along, the city manager, and you got counsul
No one knows who reports to, who who is responsible.
There's all sorts of cover, there's excuse making, there's no

(42:50):
accountability because AFTAB goes, Well the chief got fired. No,
that was share along and share along. Well, you know,
I don't have a comment because it's a personnel issue.
Well what about console don't they have? We don't because
it's the mayor. Well, the mayor says it's a city manager.
The city manager says it's council. Council says it's a
city manager, who then points the finger at city Council
and the mayor's who's running the show.

Speaker 8 (43:12):
You know what, Council votes on city dollars. They vote
on the spending, they appropriate the money. It takes two
members of council to call a special session. They easily
could have called a special session and say, hey, we
are not going to pay for the switch hunt. We
are not going to make taxpayers space spend fifty thousand
dollars to hire an outside firm to investigate to try
to find a reason to fire somebody after you've already

(43:34):
asked them to resign, after you've tried to start this.
Council can step in and do this because they have
the power to do so, and they have done nothing.
They have done absolutely nothing, and so many of them
for the first week or two we're constantly saying no comment,
no comment, no comment, and again like just exactly what
you're saying, pointing fingers. This is council's responsibility, Council's job.

(43:54):
They are in charge of spending, they vote on the spending.
They can shut this down immediately, and they have it.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Former council member Liz Keening is running yet again, one
of the twenty six that seek your vote on Tuesday
or perhaps earlier here too, and we definitely need some
new blood in city council. There's no question somebody's going
to hold folks accountable rather than just you know. I
illustrated this before last weekend. Last two weekends ago, we
had the No King's rally. It's all about Donald Trump,
a bunch of people with different grievances, and granted, Trump

(44:22):
brings out grievances and people, for sure, even Republicans totally
understand that that's part of his nature. Maybe also part
of his attraction. I'm not quite sure. But all these
aggrieved people showing up with different causes and the one
thing in common is Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
But no kings. He's a king. He's a king.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
I don't know, when you talk about cronyism, when you
talk about no accountability, when you talk about ignoring problems
and focusing other things, how many of those people are
going to turn around and vote for the exact same
thing they protested against two weeks ago in.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
After pierreval I hope not.

Speaker 8 (44:50):
I hope people do not continue to vote all one ticket,
all one party.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
God will, but they will.

Speaker 8 (44:56):
Candidates you have to, you have to look at it.
If people want the same thing that they've gotten, then
go for it. But I think Cincinnati deserves so much better.
They deserve so much better. And that's why I'm running,
because I am sick and tired of seeing what's going
on down there, and I think Cincinnati deserves better. And
I'm going to go back and fight and actually do
the job that I was elected to do before. And

(45:19):
I plan on being elected again and go back and
do that again.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Yeah, and I think you know, back to know there's
there's no plan, and it is a plan, but it's feckless.
The plan it doesn't have enough tooth. The plan doesn't
have enough bite. You don't want to execute. You don't
want to you're afraid you're gonna upset people like maybe
Iris Rawley that I don't understand. But I think even
bigger than that, and the real issue I have, and
if I were to maybe articulate a little bit better
when it comes to you know, sure along and after

(45:44):
a Periodal and Council and everyone's pointing the finger at
everybody else is the lack of communication from the administration.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
I mean, let's go back. We were talking about potholes.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
But what about snowfall, right, how many streets weren't plowed
and that took weeks later or finally they'd admitted we're
not going to plow every street in Cincinnati. O up,
just a second. I pay property taxes. I'm paying my taxes.
Those taxes fund snow removal. Now you're telling me I
don't get an essential city service because you decided to
do something else with the money. Makes no sense whatsoever.

(46:13):
That's Malfeason's big mac Bridge fire. That thing happened. We
had traffic gridlocked downtown for a couple of weeks before
council and the mayor even acknowledged that we had that
problem in the first place. I don't expect the city
streets to be fine after you close one a major bridge,
a major thoroughfare, But there was no communication on that.
People were one Achille. I'm surprised we don't have a
fatal road rage incident over that. Get some cops, get

(46:35):
some people down, Get I don't get pull some ambassador
off the Fountain Square had people direct traffic during.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Rush How they didn't do that.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
The Patrick Herringer thing as another fumble summer slam where
we've got a beatdown going viral across the world in
downtown Cincinnati, and the mayor decides to go on vacation
the day after this thing goes viral and then not
be around and then just have the city manager and
the chief talk about it. Then the chief thiji incident.
It's a steady pattern of incompetence due to a lack

(47:02):
of communication.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
That's the problem.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Nobody knows what's going on down there, and when they
respond to something, either they don't respond and simply ignore
it because it doesn't make them look good, or they
wait too damn long to have response to it.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
That's a fair criticism of AFTAB and sure.

Speaker 8 (47:16):
Along and city Council and city council. You are not
hearing from council members. Their job is constituent affairs. They
should be responding to the community when people are reaching out.
You talked about this now storm. I had schools to
reach out because the streets haven't been plouned in schools
can't open to get the kids back in school for days,
and they heard nothing back from city Hall. We heard
from residents. They came back and said there were over

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six hundred streets that hadn't even been touched six hundred
streets and the City of Society hadn't even been touched,
and no one knew, and no one at city Hall
was calling these residents back when they're asking when they're
finally going to get their streets cleared. There are so
many incidents where residents are calling their council members, reaching
out to their council members to get help, whether it's
trash pick up, or there's litter everywhere or been no

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legal jumping. They need their streets close that they can
get back to work, and no one calls them back.
And that's so for the last nearly two years, since
I have been just a regular citizen, I am still
fielding calls from resident because they are trying to get
help because our elected officials and city council they are
not doing their job and solving the problems that they
were elected to solve, and so it takes a resident.

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And that's why I'm getting back in this because you've
got to go back. You have to be responsive to
the community. You have to be able to take care
of these basic services. And if we are not taking
care of the basics, we are going to fail out
the big things which we have seen when it comes
to crime and tackling crime and the way that we've
handled these massive stories whereas a lot of people are
freaked out and a lot of things are going on,

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things crumble. If you can't take care of the basics,
if you can't fill that foundation, you're going to have
a big problem later and we've seen that play out
now least you have to have council members or responses
lis Keating.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
As you mentioned, council essentially controls the purse strings. They legislate,
they make rules to make laws and all that stuff.
Does there need to be some clarity and what the
city manager does and what the mayor does because as
a taxpayer, if I'm a taxpayer, I have no idea
how that works. I think most people don't really follow
the intricacies of it. But there's also a problem there
if you have a strong mayor and you've got to
start council and you've got a city manager involved, it

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seems like everyone there's built in cover for incompetency and mistakes.
Is that like, well, I can point the finger at
the city manager or I can Hey, you know what,
I'm going to pull the pin out of the grenade.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
And fire the chief.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Even though the chief is the one taking the orders
from the mayor and the city manager city, she doesn't
dictate what the policy, what the focus is. When she
got hired, I bring this up because it's documented. She said,
listen the big issue here, and I talked to people
by the interview with Iris Rawleigh, for example, and keep
the collaborative agreement going. Okay, that's good, but I think
we've taken such kid gloves hands towards criminals and treat

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them like victims when we victimize the victims even more
if that kind of makes sense. In fact, that Terry
TJ now is just falling on the sword because of
what we talked about. I think there's got to be
I know it's a city charter issue. I know it's
deeper than just this conversation, but damn it, you've got
you've got too many people who are allegedly making decisions.

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Do we need a city manager for the mayor and
what roles we may need to carve those roles out
a little bit more simply to avoid things like this
where we know what you're in charge of, what you're
going to do.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
The no common thing is wearing thin for a lot
of people, myself included.

Speaker 8 (50:24):
I couldn't agree more. But this is where you have
to have elected officials on Sincinni City councils that know
their role. Right now, we are seeing council members who
are not acting in their role. They are they are
just they're saying, no comment, It's okay, it's not our job.
It's or is that problem? That problem? That problem city
councils is. You've got to think of them as the board.
They do control the first strings. They can shut down

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spending on things anytime, they can pass legislation. They can
put in motions to guide the administration in a different direction.
If they're not happy with it, they can call special
meetings and actually ask questions, ask questions of administration and
to at least let the public better understand what's going on.
Their job is to hold administration accountable. Their job is

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to make sure that the tax dollars are being spent
in smart and efficient ways. They are in charge of
making sure that government is running smoothly, and you're not
seeing that at all. And that's why it's important to
have experience down there and people who are willing to
do the full job that they were elected to do.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Yeah, totally understandable. And I know a number of member
of councils. A number of people come on the show
quite frequently on a regular basis, and I hate to
see good people and I think they're good wind up
losing their job over But there's got it. I would
think Tuesday, there's going to be a political price to pay.
It's not going to be may or aft have pure
of all. He's gonna win reelection for sure, but there's

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council people are going to be out of a seat.
I think because of this whole thing you feel that.

Speaker 8 (51:50):
I feel that this campaign has been a completely different
vibe than I've ever seen and heard before. People are
angry and that's not the kind of thing that I
want to live in. I don't want to live in
a city where people are frustrated, people aren't getting the
services that we need. We can do so so much better,
and that's why we're working our tails off to get
back down there and get the city back in order.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Well, if you don't demand accountability with your vote, you're
going to get more of the same or worse, because
it's going to encourage more of the same misbehavior.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
That is what's going to happen. To look at the
Terry Fiji thing.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
We're going to fire her and then hire for forty
fifty thousand dollars a law firm to find out where
we fired her in the first place.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Exactly.

Speaker 8 (52:28):
I mean, do you want your text bit your tax
dollars being spent that way?

Speaker 3 (52:31):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (52:32):
I don't. And where where is counsel asking this question?
Where is council shutting this down?

Speaker 3 (52:36):
No, they're not.

Speaker 8 (52:37):
Where is council call even talking about this in committee meetings?
They're calling a special meeting. This is not take care
of the taxpayer dollars. There are so many things that
that money could go to that will be far more
effective in positive impacts on our neighborhood then spending it
on a witch hunt as an afterthought.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Well, we'll find out what happens on Tuesday. I'm interested
like anyone else. I got the popcorn to see what happens.
I wish all the best.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Liz.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Love talking to you, and I think your ideas are sound.
Good luck on Tuesday, right, Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 8 (53:06):
Make sure you get out your vote Cincinnati, all.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Right, six thirty am Tuesday, polls open, Liz Keating looking
for your vote, among many others as well. I've been
members of council on to kind of, you know, want
to maybe off the record say these things, but are afraid,
for whatever reason, to poke the bear that is AFTAP
peer ball in administration ont way to carry so much juice. Look,
everyone who makes mistakes, I understand that, but man, I
just ran up a litany of problems just in the

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last several months, not even a year, and there's probably
many more I'm missing as well. There's got to be
someone sending a message saying this will not be tolerated.
We'll find out Tuesday. Sloaney seven hundred W got folling
back on seven hundred WI old. Everybody was talking about
new and fun and exciting things and joining the show
this morning. I'm the big one seven hundred W. You're

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talking about fitness and health and food and all that stuff.
And Sanjay shave Crimani's on the show emergency medicine physician,
but also he's at Dine Well Dock Health Fitness and
medicine guy. I think that we got to come up
with a like the brand here.

Speaker 9 (54:06):
The Yeah, the problem is the brand keeps expanding more
and more and I can't get focused.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
But that'll come in time.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
So as an ear doc, before we get to the
topic at hand, which is the flu, and people already going, no,
I don't need to hear about it. You just hit
the brakes for a second because you don't want the flu.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
The flu.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Everyone's like, oh, I don't feel well. It's it's now,
you know when you get the flu, it's a week.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Right. We'll get to that just in the second.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
But first, as an eart doc, we have Halloween happening
on tomorrow as a matter of fact, So a little
trick or traders up. When you work a shift in
the er in the emergency department, what do you wind
up to see?

Speaker 3 (54:39):
What do you see?

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Who presents with what on Friday and Saturday. So it's
it's a lot of things that you can imagine. But
I'll tell you my my funniest because this is going
to avoid it's like all my kid and what you
typically see. Go okay, I won't do that so I
don't end up as a patient.

Speaker 9 (54:54):
Yeah, well, I mean I'll tell you so, And it's
it's all razor blades and can't I'm just kidding. It's
it's clearly an urban myth, right, But I've never seen
anything like that. I've never seen like poisoning. It's it's
stuff you wouldn't expect. So, like, the most number, according
to a large study, was pumpkin carving accidents. And you
would never think about it, but you know that may

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not be on the night of trick or treating, but
around it, and it tends to be the kids that
are playing around with sharp objects. Never a good combination,
and so trick or treating is the second part. But
it's actually pumpkin carving the most interesting. Yeah, and I've
seen a couple of hand injuries from that, but never
on Halloween night itself, because.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
People are already you know, done the damage.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
You see like fractures and dislocations because kids are running
to get the next house, trip over the sidewalk.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Fall.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Yeah, we definitely see the falls.

Speaker 9 (55:43):
And the problem is, you know, it's it's nighttime, and
then they're wearing these costumes that might be a little
bit long, but then they have masks or whatever covering
their face, so their peripheral vision isn't good and so
you do see the falls. It can get pretty nasty
at times, but yeah, I haven't seen anything terrible on Halloween.
It ends up being kind of entertaining because everyone's coming

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in with their costumes on. Yeah, that's it's it's a
bunch of stories.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
All right.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Pumpkin carving, fall, trips, falls, occasionally, motor vehicle act and
probably as well adults. I'm guessing more alcohol related.

Speaker 9 (56:15):
You got it so unfortunately, and the alcohol gets behind
the wheel sometimes and that combined with darkness and kids
in costumes is a bad combination. So yeah, we do
see some increase of pedestrians struck on on Halloween.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Gotcha sign?

Speaker 2 (56:29):
And okay, alcohol related incidents and I'm sure costume related.
Any costume related self strangulation, anything like that.

Speaker 9 (56:37):
Decapitation Fortunately, no decapitation yet. No, we don't see any
anything crazy like that. Things do happen weird things with costumes,
but for the most part, no, Again, the costumes end
up being kind of funny at times, especially when they
show up in them.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
I got a guillotine costume I was walking around is
actually you don't actually use a.

Speaker 9 (56:56):
Real guillotine for that. It's that's not a good I
will tell you though, when it comes to costumes. Remember
if you're gonna get really tipsy and spending a hire
night in the emergency department sobering up in your costume,
remember that the Walk of Shame on November one is
not a fun one to take in a costume.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Especially if you got It's seriously, you got discharged like
two weeks later. Oh yeah, it's like yeah, and now
you have to wear a Halloween costume. Yeah, your whole
chicken suit.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
And I'm glad you brought up the myth because I've
been on this for years, for decades. Sanjay is the
whole And you were around long when they used to
bring your candy to the hospital and we'll x ray
it for you were like, no one is putting needles
and razor blades and can't. It's just that it may
be an industrial act and there may be a couple,
I know, one offs with really crazy people in the world.
I can't say it doesn't happen. But the idea that

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you have to x ray your candy, it's all you
know what it is. It's big mom and dad? Is
what is the industry? A big mom and dad? Because
all it's kind of funny, how like when my kids
were little, all the Snickers had a razor blade in. Yeah,
it's just a reason for me to steal their candy.
Yeah exactly, Oh my god, yeah.

Speaker 9 (58:00):
Yeah, this is this is how the parents enjoy Halloween too,
is just by scaring their children, as if there's not
enough scares going on in Halloween already.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Can I have a sugar overdose? Is that possible? Can
I overdose?

Speaker 9 (58:13):
Can you like like a classic overdose? Can you feel
like crap after eating a bunch of sugar? Absolutely? Yes,
we all get that. But uh no, Halloween is the
time to eat a decent amount of candy and find
out where your limits are.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Yeah, that's my problem is. I'm like, I'm like a
wild dog. I'm like a rabit dog. I'm just gonna
eat it all. Like we get the big Costco candy
and I'll pick through them, Like Michelle, quit buying all
that Costco candy.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
Well, we don't know how many kids. It's a new house.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
I'm like, listen, we'll buy one bag and when it's gone,
the light goes off next it.

Speaker 9 (58:40):
Yeah, stop doing this to me. But then there's no
leftover Halloween candy. And that's why we love Halloween as
adults is freaking controls my problem. No, I just can't
say you're not alonee.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
I'm right there with you.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
All right.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
So that's Halloween. Let's talk about cold and flu season.
I uh, five days ago got my received my vaccine
for it. Went to my local right eight or no,
right eight. I went to right age no more? Is
it Walgreens or I don't save it. I think with
CBS actually rolled it up. Got my shots all good.
I do that every year, and I'm a proponent of
the flu vaccine. A few folks in the hospital get it.

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I'm thinking that's probably a pretty good thing to get.

Speaker 9 (59:16):
Yeah, I you know, it's interesting. In training, I it
was a optional thing. So you know, this is twenty
years ago. The flu shot was optional and I got
the flu my fourth year of residency, and so I
have never looked back. I I get it every year
since then because I just felt like trash for a
solid week. As a week I was laid up pretty good.

(59:36):
And so I get it myself every year. Yes, because
it's mandatory now, but happily.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
I've gotten it for years and I think last year
I actually still wound up contracting flu and I was sick.
I was like three days, I felt really bad past
the point and we'll get into you know what that
diagnosis is. But I think I got Simpsons that wasn't
and I felt like, like crap. I think for four
five six A and i'd like last for like the
effects last for two weeks after almost a month after,
and I thought, wow, if I got that with the vaccine,

(01:00:03):
what would have happened to me if I hadn't had
the vaccine?

Speaker 9 (01:00:05):
Yeah, so the you know, people say, well I still
got the flu despite getting the flu shot, And it's true,
it reduces cases of flu by only fifty percent, so
one out of every two times you're still going to
get the flu. But it's obviously much more effective in
preventing it. But then when you get it, it decreases
the duration for like two to three days, and so
your symptoms aren't as bad, they don't last as long. Yes,

(01:00:27):
you might still get the flu, but it's better than
not having it, you know, having a shot.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
And tan I think we look at it raw incorrectly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
You hear people is like, well I got the flu
shot and I still got the flu, So it doesn't
it doesn't work well it does work, it's just not
one hundred percent accurate. It's not going you know, boiling
water for ten minutes will kill the bacteria. That's science, right,
You're going to do that. It's it's still a crab.
It's still a fifty to fifty shot. But if you
get it, if you get the exact the symptoms ready less.

(01:00:55):
And my point is like, well, god, I still got
the flow. I'm not going to get a shot this year. No,
I'm definitely going to my shot because as sick as
I was last year, I could I probably go into
the hospital.

Speaker 9 (01:01:04):
It could have been worse, it could have been a
lot worse. And especially if you you know, very young,
very old, those are the people that definitely need it
because you know, the hospitalizations come mainly from the patients
that are not vaccinated, and so the sickest of the
sick are unvaccinated against the flu. So if you do
fall into those categories, or your immune system just isn't
good at baseline, yeah, definitely think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Yeah, and I look think it pretty healthy. I'm like
that that really hit me. But then you hear like
I was sick, I was sick yesterday, And back to
that because I had the flu. It's like, that's not
the flu, right, it's gastrointertis. It's it could be a
bunch of stomach flu is, gastinotis.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
It's not that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
It's when you know, the diff's in a cold, irregular
sickness and the flu is what.

Speaker 9 (01:01:46):
So mainly it's how you present. It's the severity. So
you're going to have higher fevers with the flu. Typically
you're going to have body aches, You're going to feel
like a truck hit you. Yeah, this whole quote stomach
flu thing is usually a different virus that just affects
your your GI tract. But it's going to be the aches,
it's going to be the high fevers. You're going to
have a headache usually and just overall feel like not

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doing anything. Yeah, kids, especially vomiting Diarrhye are right, they
can have everything.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Yeah. Kids, kids will present however they want.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Done, and four and forty eight hours are good exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:02:18):
They bounce back and they're like mom, Dad, play with me,
and they're like not for another two weeks, thank you
very much.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Yeah, why does it seem like that lingers when you're
sick And I don't know if it's the effects of
that last for it feels like a month where you're
still dichnically breathing your hacking stuff up. What in the
older we get it's worse.

Speaker 9 (01:02:33):
Yeah, So the it's the post residual kind of cough.
So after you get sick, the virus that's wreaking its
havoc for like a week or so. Then it goes away,
but you've got all this crud left in your air
wings and your you know, in your windpipe, in your
in your lungs, and that stuff still has to come up.
So actually it's like three to eight weeks after a cold,
you can still expect to have some sort of cough.

(01:02:54):
And yes, it gets a little bit worse when we
get older because we're not as good as coughing when
we get older, can't clear that stuff, so aile that
inflammation is left. We keep coughing, and you know it
bothers everyone around you because it's three to eight weeks later,
but you're no longer.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Contagious, it's just you're you're hacking up along still.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Fine, is there anything you can do to speed the
process up?

Speaker 9 (01:03:15):
So yes, early on there's a lot of stuff sold
out there right, like, right, do you take anything song.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
I'm a big believer in vitamin supplements, that kind of
thing ahead of time. I tried the zinc before when
I feel it coming on and I want to find
notice this place ebo or not, but it feels like
that might help.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Yeah, so you nailed it.

Speaker 9 (01:03:33):
So zinc is literally the only thing that's even shown
to have maybe some effects. Zinc seventy five milligrams to
one hundred milligrams a day, you know, broken up is
the only thing that's shown to decrease the risk of
getting a bad virus or at least decreasing the symptoms
you have.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
That has to be in lozenge form.

Speaker 6 (01:03:53):
Though.

Speaker 9 (01:03:54):
That nasal spray is actually no good, so avoid that
because actually you can cause harm. It can you know,
affect the way you smell permanently. Oh yeah, so the
zinc lozenges is what you're looking for.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:04:06):
Those can be pretty rough on the stomach though, because
it's a heavy metal. You're literally eating a metal it's
gutters exactly. Yeah, what we do every week, gun a gun.
But the zinc can be tough on the stomach, but
it is has been shown to have some effects. The
rest of the supplements not so much.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Why does the zinc work? What's it do? Uh?

Speaker 9 (01:04:23):
You know, that's a great question. So I think they're
still trying to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
But you know, so what I heard, by the way,
it's son Jay Shiva Cramani. He's an emergency room physician.
Balls are a health guy in Scotsland show seven hundred double,
always going to pop it on Thursdays.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
And it could be you know, working out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
We'll get to that a little bit, and you know,
neutrons and dieting and GLP injections and stuff like that.
But today we're talking about well, Halloween crazy stuff. You've
seen in the hour Halloween carving pumpkins number one and
number two is kids running with their mask on and
tripping and falling and break in and are Number three
is people emulating themselves because they decided they were going to,
I don't know, go as human torch.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
But that's that's kind of Darwin there. That's a different thing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
I'm talking about the flu vaccine and so the zinc
ase I understood it, there's something that it coats the
throat and so typically if you ingest if I don't
know why it's being swallowing because I think your stomach
acid would kill this. But when you ingest, the virus
basically slops off down your throat and the zinc allows
that to occur, or maybe it kills that something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Right, it's something like that.

Speaker 9 (01:05:26):
It also boosts the immune system in general when our
immune systems are worse in the winter.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
That's been shown too. So you know what help we
can get.

Speaker 9 (01:05:34):
So those people that are like well, I say vitamin
C and it works for me. You know, if it
if it helps, you go for it. As long as
you're not harming yourself. I'm cool with that too. But yeah,
the zinc does seem to have some effect, a little
bit of an effect. Okay, good, that's good to know.
But by and large, it's like you've got it. Hydrate,
that's all in rest. That's all you can do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Hydrate.

Speaker 6 (01:05:51):
Rest.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
And yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:05:53):
The other thing is, you know, the annoying cough is
another thing. There is no magic bullet for cough. People
always come in like four weeks later. If actually this
last week, I've seen a ton of patients with this
lingering cough. So I don't know what's going on out there.
It's not flu it's not COVID right now, it's not RSV.
But there's so many crud, Cincinnati crud's going around and
it's leaving people with this like prolonged cough, and unfortunately

(01:06:14):
there's nothing I can prescribe that will make it go away.
Honey has been shown as long as you're older than
one year old, honey can help the cough. Hydration also
helps because it decreases that dryness which actually triggers a cough.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Yeah, and especially this time you're a hydrate is very
important because you're inside the dry air. It's gonna hasting
that that whole disease pass to whether it's that or
something else. Yeah, that's interesting that there's nothing really can do.
I mean the cough lingers. There's some over the counters.
Sometimes you get a script for it, but it's basically
over the counter stuff. We all want to get that done.
It's like, I think, so after four weeks you're like
my guy, three weeks you're thinking, Okay, there's something bad

(01:06:49):
going on here, right, that's when you should.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Well for four weeks.

Speaker 9 (01:06:53):
Yes, though, if it's not getting worse, you know it's
not to worry about. Or if you're not having trouble
breathing or chest pains or anything like that. If you
are having something like that, worry if it's more than
like eight weeks, which I know sounds like forever. And
it is forever to have a cough right because your
sleep is bad, everything's bad. Everyone's annoyed at you because
all you're doing is coughing. You want to get it
taken care of, but usually it's like eight weeks later.

(01:07:14):
But you know, there are medicines that might be able
to help at that point, but there's no magic bullet of.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Yeah, like some of the dm as stand, it's gonna
take care of it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
It's interesting because like my mom, for example, growing up,
it was like, wow, he's got to this fluke taking
the doctor and heahim, get himself, get him on something, get
him on the head. Anti viral, you don't want to.
There's there's really now there's a virus. There's a virus
in bacteria.

Speaker 9 (01:07:36):
Exactly, so you know pneumonia, that's gonna be a bacteria
that causes it. Stuff like the flu flu is a virus,
but almost every single Cincinnati crud thing out there is
a virus. Unfortunately, antibiotics don't do anything. And some people say, well,
this zpac works for me every time. This antiotic works
for me every time, and it's you know, there may
be a little something to it as far as anti
and inflammation, but it's not treating the infection. And you know,

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it's usually a fact that people have just been sick
long enough that they're getting better and it just happens
to coincide with the time that they start on an antibiotic.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Right, I gotcha, Sonja on that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
You know, you demand your doctor right that that led
us to this whole superbug thing. Right, It's like, we
wrote me two scripts for a bacteria Killobacter whensa virus
and we knew that, but we did it to shut
the patient up. Yeah, And then that dividend with that was, well,
we've not got these superbugs out there that are immune
to the overwriting of those prescriptions exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
You know.

Speaker 9 (01:08:29):
The best story I have of that, or the most
unfortunate story is my uncle in India would be like, oh, yeah,
I take this this medicine for diarrhea every time. And
I'm like, yeah, we're having talks about diarrhea for unclear reasons,
and so you know, I'm like what is it?

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Is it emodium?

Speaker 9 (01:08:44):
And he breaks out this pill and it is leave
a phloxysm, which is a super powerful, you know, antibiotic
that we really hold back for a lot of things.
But in India that stuff's flowing over the counter really
and so we see all these nasty superbugs coming from
other countries where there is no you know, no barrier
where you don't have to see a doctor for this.
So yes, we do want to be stewards of antibiotics

(01:09:05):
as physicians.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
We do.

Speaker 9 (01:09:07):
You know this all came out of Yeah, placate the patient,
but it's done more harm than good with causing you know,
these these resistant infections.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Yeah, and that's that's going to rip evidends for a
long time, and not in a good way. He is
a Sonjay schevrok ARMANI. He's an emergency room physician here
in Cincinnati and he's coming on the show like every
Thursday morning, pop in and talk about health and food
and in this case the flu. So get the vaccine.
I know that we've politicized vaccines now and you know,

(01:09:35):
believe what you want about the COVID vacs.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
I mean, I don't get it. Every year.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
I'm like every couple of years. My doctor says, you know,
you're you're pretty healthy, you don't need it. But I'm
pretty religious about that flu vax and I think, you know,
you got to look at measles and all those series
and okay, there's the politics of it, but don't let
that pollute the stuff that's kept well, really kept us
alive all these years.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Too.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
The same people, a lot of the people who are
against the vaccines are the same ones who benefited from
for the last X number of years.

Speaker 9 (01:10:00):
Absolutely, so you know, everyone has to make their own
individual decisions. We have to respect that too and really
understand the drivers of that. If you do have any
questions though, you know, talk to your doctor about it,
and you know, we just want the best thing for
you and your family and loved ones.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
All right, sign jail the best. Thanks again. You can
get a reach in.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
His handle is at dine Well Dock at Dinewell Dock
and we'll talk next Thursday.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Appreciate you, good, see you. Thanks for Ben.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
It's a Scott Floan show. This is seven hundred clony,
seven hundred WLW. More bad news for your pocketbook here.
If you're in Ohio, you and your family could be
paying more for electricity. Why, Well, the federal government is
trying to extend the life of aging coal plants that
were once slated for call closure. And those things are
notoriously expensive to keep going. And we're seeing this trend

(01:10:47):
across the country as well. And those expenses too would
then be passed on a consumer, So says the Citizen's
Utility Board of Ohio. Tom Bullock is here is our
executive director, Tom.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Welcome, How are you good morning? Good, good good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Why would keeping a coal plant open cost us more money?
Does it cost more money to open new plants?

Speaker 6 (01:11:08):
Most of these plants in question are very old, seventy
years old, sixty years old. They were designed for a
different era. The parts don't exist, The facilities aren't designed
to power up or power down swiftly or respond to
economic conditions. So it's a little bit like if your
uncle gave you a nineteen seventy two Chevy and it

(01:11:28):
still runs a leaded gasoline and you're supposed to drive
that around. In theory, it's cheaper, but really to operate it,
how do you get the parts to repair it? When
nobody makes them? It's difficult.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Okay, So the question be why why are we forcing
to keep these plants open?

Speaker 6 (01:11:44):
Then, well, you'd have to ask the White House. The
White House believes that it wants to support one fuel source. Now,
power is generated by a mix of sources. Coal, nuclear,
natural gas is a big, big player, and increasingly wind
and solar. Those are low costs. And then battery storage

(01:12:06):
plays a role as well. Those are essentially large versions
of the lithium ion batteries you carry around in your
smartphone in your pocket all day long. Those play a
role because it evens out the grid and you can
use cheap solar or wind when there's extra power and
you don't need it, stoor it in the battery, and

(01:12:28):
then release it when you do need it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Gotcha.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
But what's driving this though, is demand. Right as I
understand it, we're putting all these AI facilities online. Ohio,
for example, Columbus Butler County is getting like a million
square foot facility as well, and so they're extending the
life of coal plants because we need to meet demand.
The problem is the forecast, and I'm sure you know
by what twenty thirty nine is allegedly going to go

(01:12:53):
up some forty percent.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
That's just demand.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
We don't have the infrastructure and the transmission to be
able to get that power to households and businesses and residents.
Obviously in addition to all of the technology's going online.
So it feels to me like an all hands on
deck approach.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Is that wrong? Half right, half wrong?

Speaker 6 (01:13:11):
There for sure is data centers that are driving load growth.
Part of that is artificial intelligence, part of it's not.
There's also new factories coming to Ohio, like we hope
the Intel plants. As people also electrify their homes with
electric cars or switch their furnest to a heat pump,
there's going to be more growth overall. But we do

(01:13:32):
have power today. What's causing the price bike is the speculation,
as you said, about the next five years or so
for data center growth, and there's a bit of an
arms race by those companies to build out. And if
you don't have power, of data center is a warehouse
full of expensive junk. So it's a real issue. But

(01:13:52):
it's not coal that is needed. It's power that the
market decides is the best, and that gets to the
heart of it. Government isn't supposed to be picking winners
and losers. And if the White House picks losing facilities
that are closed because they're the most expensive and forces

(01:14:13):
people to use those market losers to drive power, it's
going to make losers out of all how consumers, because
what you're doing is you're spiking the market. The market
is designed to have an auction and the lowest cost
the plier wins. But if somebody comes in and says, hey, market,
I'm going to force you to not just take expensive power,

(01:14:36):
but the most expensive power from the oldest and least
nimble and least adaptive facilities, it'shews everything. So the issue
isn't the fuel source. The issue is let the market
function like it's supposed to without tampering.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
What does the market want.

Speaker 6 (01:14:56):
When the market wants more power and affordable power, which
is there is going to be a little bit of
an up and down as you bring new resources on.
But if you let the market function, a temporary high
price in the short term will level out and decrease
over time. The challenge, though, is that our regional grid,

(01:15:19):
it's called pjm Ohio's part of thirteen states in a
grid that includes the mid Atlantic, Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, et cetera.
It's not easy to get new power added to the grid,
and that is worsening prices in their term. So PJM,

(01:15:41):
not the federal government, also has work to do to
make the hot prices, which are setting the signal to suppliers. Hey,
power producers, come online, we need you. The market's sending
that signal. But the problem is PGM has restrictions about
adding power and interconnecting with the grid that are too

(01:16:02):
slow and difficult. So the prices are going to be
high for a while with no market solutions. So PJM
has work to do to lower our prices.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Is this just a case of bureaucracy?

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
And this is what is It's a choke point in
that we have an increasing demand for power, and so
you address that by keeping the old technology online, when
of course keeping old stuff going, as you pointed out,
as always more expensive the future. To me, you should
be everything should be on the table. We if wind
or solar or whatever works, hydrogen, nuclear, whatever it is,

(01:16:35):
whatever we can get to market more quickly, that's what
we should be favoring at this point. Why isn't that happening,
especially with an administration it seems so friendly about getting
rid of all the gridlock and bureaucracy and doge and
all that stuff that fits right in.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Why isn't that happening?

Speaker 6 (01:16:49):
Well, because I think what's happening is a lobbyist and
the political favors are getting involved instead of instead of
letting the market, so capitalism as a creative destructive side.
What happens is the least expensive old technology goes away
and is replaced by a new, better mouse trapper, in
this case, a new, cheaper generation facility. But if the

(01:17:10):
people who are friends with the old facilities say, hey,
wait a minute, we don't like the market. If you
do me a political favor, well, then it makes everything
more expensive for everybody else. There are more than one
thousand powered production generation facilities in our regional thirteen state grid.
If you say the top fifty or one hundred most

(01:17:34):
expensive power plants are forced to be kept open and
sold even when the companies that own them want to
close them, you're going to skew that market. So there's
enough out pardon me, there's enough out there that we
don't need to tamper with if we need to do
what the state of Ohio did earlier. This year sit

(01:17:56):
of Ohio deserves some credit, is leaned into market company
technology neutral. It doesn't try to pick winners and losers
about which fuel source. It says, we're not going to
have regulated generation. We do want to expand power production
so that we have affordable the keyword of suffordable energy
to power our economy. And we're going to let the

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investors in the free market competition do its job, which
means when an investor takes a risk on a plant,
if they mess up, the losses on them, the loss
doesn't get forced to be paid for by consumers, which
is what regulated monopolies do. So basically, the federal government

(01:18:39):
is trying to turn back the clock to a regulated
monopoly style of power supply decision making. We don't need
that today. We've got all kinds of technology that can
be a better solution. I like to say engineers are smart.
People are smart. If you can just get the legal
and the financial out of the way of the inventors

(01:18:59):
and the engineers, we could do all kinds of cool
new solutions. But it's hard to get past legal.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
And there's a matter of factors.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
It's Tom Bullock, Executive director of Citizens Utility Board, of
Ohio because of the high demand that we're facing when
it comes to our electrical grid and power and the
choke point, which of course is demand and we don't
have transmission and supply that's going to drive closs up in.
We're adding more and more infrastructure in the forums, will
you know, people buying electric cars plugging in. But the
big one is data centers in AI and we're putting

(01:19:28):
plants all over, including Butler County, that just need a
tremendous amount of energy and resources for that. Water is
another great example of that thing, dude. Now maybe not
in our scope here, but some data centers consume up
to five million gallons of water a day. That's about
enough for a town of about fifty thousand people, which
is an incredible amount of resources dedicated to keeping power

(01:19:50):
that little thing in our hands. Right with AI and
infrastrate and information the data center right a tremendous amount
of polages.

Speaker 6 (01:19:56):
We should also be careful. Some of this is data
center speculations. A bubble that conversed and some of these
data center companies are planning to build one or two
data centers, but they're filing redundant applications in the Great
Plain States in our region, in the Northeast, in the southeast,
and they're racing to figure out who gets gives them

(01:20:18):
their permit first. So they're not building ten, they're only
building two. And all of us are scrambling and saying,
oh my gosh, we have to add all this power.
So there's an important double checking process that we need
to do to make sure we're not over building. But
one consumer who is in Ohio and talked to the

(01:20:39):
Cleveland plate dealers, let me get this straight. Data centers
are increasing my bill today and I didn't do anything
to invite them here, and yet their costs are already
affecting me. This is one more example of where business
costs get dumped onto Bob and Betty Buckeye and they
privatize the Game's real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
To what's happening with for example, you mentioned you know
they're getting pulling permits and getting ready to build what's
going on the Columbus Intel plant, because that's still not
where they promised to be at this part. We're pushing
operations back another five or six.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Years, are I?

Speaker 6 (01:21:15):
I think that's right. I know that the governor and
even the White House has been working to continue getting
Intel to move forward on the project. There's such enormous
amounts of money involved that you're going to have to
have some federal supports for what's called the Chips Act.

(01:21:39):
But that was a change between the previous administration the
current one. So I tend to think that it's important
for Ohio to pursue and implement these kinds of facilities.
But you also for you know, we speak for small
residential consumers. So the you've been making in this conversation

(01:22:01):
a longer than good ones, which is, as you build
these very large factories for very large enter consumers, kind
to make sure the way that the grid infrastructure is
paid for doesn't get dumped onto the daghbles. It's like
you'll dump your leaves over your back fence into your
neighbor's yard. But that financially happens all the time in

(01:22:24):
the world of utilities, and it shouldn't happen. That's why
groups like ours try to speak up to the little guy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
How hard is it too, Tom, Because it's always there
is the effort to get cleaner power, and we need
more and more of it. Is it odds with infrastructure
building infrastructure because there's right of ways. I mean, look
what happened with the Keystone XL pipeline getting shut down.
It's a lot more efficient, easier, and safer than taking
all of that fuel that we need and putting out
on rail cars where they can You know, look what

(01:22:50):
happened in Ohio, not just a few handful of years ago,
and that's transporting stuff over rail, which is a lot
more dangerous in an efficient in the system. What about
the environmental push back from all this? Is that slowing
things up? At that thought those money.

Speaker 6 (01:23:04):
I don't think so. I think there are land used
questions any time into power infrastructure, and that's also true
if you build a subdivision or a shopping wall. Government
has to be thoughtful about how it balances the most
competing interest between the new development and the neighbors. Clean

(01:23:27):
energy like wind and solar is increasingly the cheapest on
the market. If you marry it up with battery storage,
then it can provide you more of around the clock
twenty four to seven solution, especially if you think of
it not at one store or one house, but on
an average across a statewide region. So if you think

(01:23:49):
of Ohio, Illinois, Indiana together the wind is always blowing somewhere,
and the sun is always shining somewhere. So on the aggregate,
you could add a lot of inexpensive power, or to
add to the mix of more expensive power sources than
are traditional baseload, like nuclear or natural gas. But what

(01:24:10):
you have to do is let one hundred companies or
a thousand companies make their everyday economic decisions and investment decisions,
and collectively that market will be more intelligent and less
expensive than a governor or a president trying to put
his or her thumb on the scale. You know. I mean,

(01:24:31):
it's amazing to me that we have to even explain
this in a country that's supposed to be a free
market capitalist.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
But the people who complain about socialism practice socialism themselves.
The people who like socialism want more socialism.

Speaker 6 (01:24:44):
Well, there's some truth to what you just said, and
there's hypocrisy in all directions. And all of us live
in glass houses, so I should be careful about the
stones I throw. But I guess because the prices are
going up. There's a survey that said from the last
week National Survey, thirty four percent of American's sake electricity
prices are a major concern.

Speaker 3 (01:25:05):
That's high.

Speaker 6 (01:25:05):
Forty percent think it's a minor concern. This is on
our radar and it's not going to go away. And yes,
data centers are kind of the first stage of forcing
prices up, but there's all these other pressures. For the
next twenty years, I think it's going to be increasingly concerned,
So we're going to be spending more time thinking about it.

(01:25:27):
You do have solutions on your end. You can insulate
your home air seal with a calking gun. That's nineteen
forties technology that's not new, are expensive, just got to
do it. But none of us do that perfectly. But
we can help ourselves. And then new technology is not
everything has to be a giant megaplant. You could do

(01:25:47):
something on your home or business. There's medium tier facilities
we're working on. So let's say it's on twenty acres
forty acres or an industrial roof. You could put solar,
or you could do part solar, part battery, part natural
gas like a microgrid hybrid system. And then it can
be back up emergency power for a facility or a

(01:26:09):
factory that has to run it all.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
But Tom know a little bit about that business. That's
an expensive outlay, and sometimes you know, you get an agreement.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
Where they put it on quote unquote for free.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
But the veig on that what you're paying an interest
basis of payback is pretty extreme. That that might be
good if you have that upfront cash or the math
works for you, but right now for most people that doesn't.

Speaker 6 (01:26:31):
Well, if you're talking about a business, it's probably easier
to get there, true, and it depends if your business
is energy intents of like many family owned businesses in
Ohio or manufacturing businesses where energy is their second most
expensive category after labor, so they pay very careful attention
already to that. So you're right, some businesses it will

(01:26:53):
be easier to get there than the other's. Hospitals are
a good use. Even school systems that have let's say
five elementary schools, two middle schools to high school you
could aggregate all that power draw and then feed it
with a virtual net metering system that might be in
the next county over. Yeah, so I think what you'll
find is even if you don't power all of the needs,

(01:27:15):
you could do a portion of it, and then that
gives you a long term, low price, stable contract, and
so your financial people can say we're in a better
position to have control over our bills and our risks,
and we can plan for the future better. Some of
the power will buy from the traditional grid, but some
will get from these other systems, so you have options

(01:27:37):
and nobody should be forced to do this. But I
kind of do think we're going to enter a new
era where we're thinking more about electricity than.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
We fear is my favor I amount of time, but
my fear is there's going to be, like anything we
don't do anything proactively, do it reactively, there's going to
be some sort of energy nine to eleven where our
grid shutdown will be a crisis before anyone goes man,
we got to do something about this.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
That's just what we do in America.

Speaker 6 (01:28:03):
I think we don't inspect a bridge until bridge.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
We need a light at this intersection because some kids
are going to get hit on their bike. Don't worry
about it. Kid gets on a bike. Politicians out there,
why don't we have a stoplight. I think I'm a
big proponent and fascinated by many nuclear reactors, small nuclear
reactors to power those AI facilities. Just have it on board,
and I the problem of course, I think House Bill

(01:28:29):
six and the first energy scandal ruined nuclear in the
state of Ohio.

Speaker 6 (01:28:35):
I would I would say there's still possibilities there. It's
very expensive, but there could be some business use cases
for it, including your data centers. Uh yeah, it's kind
of always like, well, twenty years in the future, it'll
be it'll be ready. Maybe it's ten years in the future,
we'll see, I mean all options of the table. But

(01:28:56):
some of these data centers may indeed be uh a
good category for using that. I'm hearing three Mile Island
in New York is going to be reopened by the
end of the data center or something.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
Like that in trouble.

Speaker 6 (01:29:08):
So so some of those super intensive, high price and
they've got to have the power and they can't bu
risk their grip cutting out of them, they may do
things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
I think that's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
I mean it's to set it in that direction that
you could have a reactor the size of I don't know,
a filing cabinet or a toaster, and that would power
a subdivision or a fact or something along these lines,
and that's essentially send it back into the company that
makes and get a new one kind of like a
battery pack. But Tom Bullock, Executive Director of Citizens, you
tell me Borta will have then and keep the call
plants open because of the demand, and we don't have altered solutions.

(01:29:42):
We got to wait for the sky to fall before
we do anything. I think that is the too long,
didn't read versionless conversation. But I appreciate your time again
this morning, Tom, Thanks again.

Speaker 6 (01:29:52):
Let's talk some more. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
We'll get a news update in this rainy Thursday morning.
Good news is that's headed out and sunshine back in
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A lot to catch up on. Wife jumps in the
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Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
Good morning, how are you?

Speaker 7 (01:30:26):
It's a morning?

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
It really is something else. It's I'm physical this morning,
so I left for physicals. I get a blood drop
for my annual physical and got to the blood place
at Montgomery Road christ Hospital, which normally does good work
and seven o'clock and there's people behind me. I'm the
first one there. I thought, Okay, good, I gotta get in.
I got a bunch of stuff to do. Yeah, that person,

(01:30:48):
we don't know where they are, so we'll probably never show.
Never showed, so oh maybe we'll oping like seven thirty,
well maybe like seven forty. And they had one person
that was like three thousand people.

Speaker 7 (01:30:59):
Oh no, that's not good.

Speaker 5 (01:31:01):
Somebody's somebody's gonna get is already either chewed out, fired or.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
No, probably not. It's just the way the economy is.
I guess I don't know. And then traffic, of course was.
But I will say this. Can I goff on a
little bit of a rant here for SI please? You
know we're almost a because you're almost to that age.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
Okay, listen, this is like one of.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Those progressive commercials, and those progressive commercials hit because it's
so true that don't become your parents.

Speaker 7 (01:31:25):
They'll become your parents.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
Absolutely, if you're a senior citizen, if you're retired, and
your joy you've got, you know, you've worked your whole life,
raised to family. Uh, did everything you're supposed to do.
God bless you. I want to be there some day myself.
But could you please, to the love of God, you
don't need to be the first person in line at
seven o'clock and born in the place. And there are
people that work that got to get to work, So
why don't you wait till later in the day to
do that.

Speaker 7 (01:31:45):
Oh you're saying that people that aren't working.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Correct, It should be people like, Okay, I got to
get to work by you know, some people at nine o'clock.
I'm a little lower than that. Obviously, they're just saying,
you know, and here's when I'm older. I'm not going
to be the first guy in line because my my
you know, my prostates kept me on.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
I wake up at three am.

Speaker 6 (01:32:04):
Wet.

Speaker 5 (01:32:06):
If you're my dad and he's whatever, eighty years old,
he's going.

Speaker 7 (01:32:11):
To be the first one in line.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
You have to do all in the.

Speaker 5 (01:32:15):
First pew at church, he is in the first one
in line because he's up at three am.

Speaker 7 (01:32:20):
He goes to bed at five pm.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Man, man, just you don't need to be there that early.
I got the I want to waste the whole day.
What is it you have to do that's so damn important.
You're retired, You could do it anything you want or nothing.

Speaker 7 (01:32:34):
If I start going to bed at five pm, seriously.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
Just well, you're getting closer eight thirty. Last night, she's
in bed. What are you doing?

Speaker 7 (01:32:43):
It was cold. I wanted to get under the covers
and snuggle.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
And now by the time I came to bed, you
got the blanket, all the blankets, and the dog gots
up and try to pick him up.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
He's growling at you. He's like, I'm trying to get
my bitch. I'm trying to sleep too.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
I stole your bank, all right, all right, Well so
that was the day so far.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
So everyone's you know, if you're stuck on that traffic
stuff to do.

Speaker 7 (01:33:08):
Right now, everything should be you know, rocket.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
And roll should be calm, all right. So let's jump
into this real quick. Here we have a FED rate cut.
What does actually mean for people? I think are thinking like, wow,
this is going to go back to three percent sometimes.

Speaker 5 (01:33:22):
Soon, right and there is people are posting on social
My lender said.

Speaker 7 (01:33:27):
It's going to be three percent by the end of
the year. Don't do anything until then. Blah blah. That
is a bunch of bees.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
I wonder tell you that they want to get their money.

Speaker 5 (01:33:35):
I don't know who's telling who what. But the Fed
cut the fat cut it's benchmark federal funds rate by
a quarter percent.

Speaker 7 (01:33:43):
This was expected.

Speaker 5 (01:33:44):
Okay, the markets have already expected this cut. They've already
you know, we've already baked that into the cake. So
mortgage rates are likely to you know, they've already come
down a little bit. They're not too six percent yet,
we're like six point one three, depending on your credit.
It's still really good. It's better than it was. You know,

(01:34:07):
we were at seven, we were at seven and a
quarter an hour at six and a quarter, let's say.
And so if that's for a thirty year fixed rate,
you can get a lower rate if you buy down
the rate. There are ways for you to get that
lower rate, but you have.

Speaker 7 (01:34:22):
To pay for it. So that's just stuff to figure out.

Speaker 5 (01:34:25):
It doesn't automatically when the Fed cuts the rate, everybody
in their mind says.

Speaker 7 (01:34:29):
Oh, yay, mortgage rates are going to go down. No,
that's not the that's not the case.

Speaker 5 (01:34:35):
Doesn't automatically translate into a equal quarter point drop in
mortgage rates. It's the short term policy rate. It affects
all kinds of things. Ten year Treasury bonds things that
I don't even know about. And so it's good news,
that's for sure. But it doesn't do like equal parts

(01:34:57):
lowering our mortgage rate. So that's what you just need
to know. If you're buying or refinancing, there is going
to be a benefit to that. And so if you
have to refinance, if you are one of the people
who a year ago we said, okay, if you find
your perfect house and you have the high rate, guess what,

(01:35:17):
when the rate goes down, you can refinance. That's what's
happening right now, and we are seeing more and more
of that. So that came true when when all the
real estate agents out there said, go ahead, you can
buy a house as long as you can afford it,
you can refinance. Okay, that's we're getting into that territory.
If you have a full point difference, you may want

(01:35:41):
to look into refinancing.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
So that's that's a good thing, got it all right?

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
But somebody hear that and go, well, I keep hearing
there's gonna be another quarter point cut, another code there is,
and again I'll just sit and wait.

Speaker 5 (01:35:54):
You can wait, but we're at six point one point
three right now. It might get to six. It may
get to five point ninety nine. That's probably not going
to make the biggest of difference in your monthly mortgage.
It really isn't. Those teeny tiny little tenths of a
point is not gonna make that. It's gonna be like

(01:36:14):
twenty dollars or thirty dollars, maybe maybe fifty bucks. And again,
if it ever goes to that, it's never gonna get time.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
I'm on a fixed income.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
I got to get up early to go to the doctor,
and I'm fifty dollars, I'm on a fixed income.

Speaker 7 (01:36:29):
Well, I'm glad for you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
Then you should you know what, this is a lot
of money.

Speaker 5 (01:36:34):
Okay, But if you're in a fixed income and you've
been in your home for twenty years, you shouldn't have
a mortgage payment anyway. You should have had that thing
paid off. You shouldn't have refinanced and borrowed the money
against yourself a million times.

Speaker 7 (01:36:48):
Oh Jesus, sound like my mom.

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
No kidding to bed at eight thirty sounded like your mom?

Speaker 7 (01:36:54):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Anyway?

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
My wife Michelle Sloan here, not my mother in law.
My wife Michelle else long on the show wwill real
Estate check up?

Speaker 6 (01:37:02):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
So we're getting rate cuts.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
But you know, here's the thing. You go, well, maybe
I want to wait till little see if it gets
down to five at some point. Now it could be
another could be a year, could be longer.

Speaker 7 (01:37:12):
Yeah, now five.

Speaker 5 (01:37:14):
See again, I think you're pushing that territory that if
you want to move, if you want to make a move,
make a freaking move.

Speaker 7 (01:37:21):
Sorry. Yeah, you know, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:37:24):
It's all about living your life in the present.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
So how many things do you have left?

Speaker 7 (01:37:31):
Exactly?

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
That's why I yet at six o'clock in the morning
to get my blood draw I don't know how many
of these I have left.

Speaker 7 (01:37:40):
Yeah. So here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:37:42):
If you find a house that works for you and
you can afford it at the current rate, I'm always
going to advise you to go ahead and buy that
home because that home may not come around. That home,
the particular home that fits your needs, may not come
around again for a very long time. I've had some
people that have been looking in certain school districts for

(01:38:05):
two years or more because they're looking for the unicorn,
the needle in the haystack that doesn't come along. It
may come along, but when you find it, boy, you
better jump on it because you may not find it ever.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
Again, also may have to compromise as well, and that's
something well, that's.

Speaker 5 (01:38:24):
The one thing, you know, you really people some people
are just unwilling to compromise. And if you're unwilling to compromise,
then you should build. And that's sort of where I
will direct you. If I'm working with you and we
cannot find the right house for you in a certain area,

(01:38:47):
a certain school district, and you're gonna nitpick every single
little tiny thing, Oh my gosh, you know there's a
there's a tiny hole in the wall, or the sink drips,
or this is old or what ever. You know what
if it's a used home, if it's a home, it's
not brand new, it's not going to be brand new.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
You just have to accept that.

Speaker 7 (01:39:09):
That's one thing. So and then there then if I say, if.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Here's one tonight. You know, we just talked about this before,
because we sold our house over the summer and you
did a great job. You're my favorite realtor and you
got like, got thirteen showings in one day and a
handful of.

Speaker 3 (01:39:24):
Offers, so that was good.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
But some people, again, you know, there's people and you
have clients like this, and there's certain ethnicities that do
this that the door has to be facing the right way.
There's fing shwei, there's I don't know whether these super
you know, rituals and all cultures have that. But you're like,
you know, you've been looking for a house for two years.
This is perfectly except the doors facing the wrong way,
like and you want to get in the mason where
the schools are really good because you have young kids.

(01:39:48):
I mean, by the time you get that and what
you want, everyone's fighting for that where the door is
facing the right way.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
Your kids are going to be thirty, so you know,
are you you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:39:57):
It's like you got to pull the trigger at some
point or you just keep renting. You know, if you're renting,
you keep renting. And you know, we have I've had
situations certainly I'd like to buy a house, Okay, how
much do you want to spend?

Speaker 7 (01:40:12):
How much are you able to spend?

Speaker 5 (01:40:13):
That kind of thing, and the numbers don't add up,
and so there's there's a combination of things. That's why
when you hire a realtor, which is what you are doing,
You are hiring a realtor to work with you. And
the people that think they can just use realtors like
I don't know, toilet paper, use them for a second

(01:40:35):
and then throw them away. Not the best way, because
you want to have a realtor who's going to work
for you, with you together to come up with the
solution to what you're looking for, and having and hiring
an agent is very important part of the process. There's

(01:40:55):
a thousand there's actually thousands of us out there, and
so choosing the one that fits your personality, who is
available when you need them and is open and honest
and trustworthy. That's the kind of agent that you want
on your side every step of the way.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
Yeah, my wife, Michelle Sloan is that agent. All right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
So we're getting to that time of year, the some
pumps starting to check out. We've talked about this before.
Make sure you check your some pump. That's something I
want to stress is, you know, if that things, if
you're getting all those rain it's not turning on, you
got to go down there and check it maybe and
hopefully you have you know, a battery backup if you
need it. If you have a lot of that, because
especially if you have a finished basement. If not, you
got an indoor swimming pool. Don't worry about it. Make

(01:41:38):
sure the sum pump's working. How you test that simply
as get a bucket of water and keep dumping it
in there until the float valve comes up and then
or you can put a little bit of water in
there and lift the little ball up kind of like
a toilet, and it should engage and get all that water.
If not, you got to get a plumber over there
and take a look at that. Also, this is the
weekend with the time change. Got to mention the smoke detectors.

(01:41:59):
And also I'll throw this in there too, because you
can buy them with a combined thing. And you know,
people have habits and while I don't need all that,
get the carbon monoxide detector. So many people die from
carbon monoxide poisoning, especially this time of year furnace kicks on.
Maybe you know there's insects or a bird built a nest,
or a bat diet or something, all sorts of stuff
in that chimney or and that flu in the vent.

(01:42:19):
If it's blocked, it's gonna you know, it could kill
you and your family. So you can get a carbon
monoxide detector for like less than twenty bucks. You know,
put put it in and where they recommend it in
your house, depending on can't get the details exactly where,
not knowing what your house looks like.

Speaker 5 (01:42:33):
But you know, I know that an inspector will be
looking for that. You know, over the years, the it's
changed and you only had to have one outside of
the bedroom. Now you're you're looking at wanting to have
a smoke detector in every single bedroom, right so you
know while things change, yeah you don't.

Speaker 7 (01:42:56):
That's the thing. You have to just be aware because
safety first, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
Safety first, hit that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
Check your batteries if you still have the old fashioned
smoke if those detectors still have the batteries, because now
they sell one in the battery lasts like ten years.
But even the higher the wired ones that are daisy chained,
you know, if you can't tell when that smoke detector
is that they won't last forever.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
So you got about ten years.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
You should really consider replacing them because you'll get some
false positives like we have something that are older and
you know when you cook they go off, So I
got to change os and I'll put some newer carbon
monoxide ones And how do.

Speaker 7 (01:43:26):
You adjest that? Do I like put a lighter up
to it?

Speaker 5 (01:43:28):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
You simply well, no, you need just a little smoke
from a candle to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
But you know, typically ten years because dust collects on
the sensors and that, and you know you just want
to make sure God forbid you need it at work.
So they're really you think about it, well, all the
stuff he spend in our hou it's not that expensive.
If they're more than ten years old, you should consider
getting some new ones anyway, just the PSA there for
some safety, for some remodeling safety from me. All right,

(01:43:54):
my watch Michelle Sloan's Loan sells Homes dot com Open
Howse show that is on the Iart radio app. You
can listen to podcast and of course catch the visual
podcast as well on YouTube. And she's over at Remax
time in Mainville. All right, love, you gotta go, gotta go,
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