11-3-25 Scott Sloan Show

Scott talks with James Rapien and Austin Elmore about the collapse of the Bengals' defense in back-to-back weeks. Also council candidates Christopher Smitherman and Seth Walsh join Scott to discuss the weekends shootings ahead of tomorrow's election. Finally Julie Hattershire explains why daylight savings time ending is worse for people than when it begins.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do want to be an American's pony here on seven
hundred WIW Absolutely incredible weekend here in the city, and
it ain't good. We've got the huge Bengals loss to
chop up James Rapine in about a half hour. Normally's
on like eleven thirty five. He's going to be on
earlier this morning, because you know, you'd anticipate with the loss,
this historic, this bad and back to back weeks, heads

(00:22):
would roll. Of course, this is Cincinnati. You could be really,
really bad and still have years and years and years
of grace. That's how we do things. But we also
have more troubling news than that, because it's literally life
and death and another bad and bloody weekend in the city.
On Friday, video of the July brawl leaked out, confirming
what Kip guynan assistant prosecutor, said in quarter a while
back when arraignments were being made that the victim of

(00:45):
this case, el Chinowski, he was attacked. He was the victim,
showed him attack from behind, and the one man arrested
prior to him slapping someone. So we now have the
evidence leaking out days before the election, and tomorrow being
election day, Saturday, four people shout out set a nightclub
in Otr at one o'clock in the morning, and then
about a half hour later, multiple people shot at Carthage

(01:06):
Carthage at sixty ninth and Vine. I believe three shot
and another killed. Seven people shot, one dead this weekend
at Cincinnati, and voters will head to the polls tomorrow
to decide what kind of leadership, if any, they want
one of the people seeking your voter's council member, hopefully
a lot. Chris Smithman on the show on seven hundred
WW has been very vocal about this, and Chris, this

(01:27):
has been a horrible weekend in what feels like a steady,
ongoing drumbeat of horrible news in our town here in Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Welcome, Hey, Thanks Sloanly. It was a tough weekend, and
I think you're right. We've had a lot of tough weekends.
And the problem has been from my perspective, is that
this council collectively and the mayor and the administration have
just taken their eye off the ball. And this is

(01:55):
what happens when you say you want to defund the
police or you want to reimagine them, and when you
allow attrition to have us two hundred officers down and
expect our cops to do their job when you're telling them,
don't do proactive policing. And it's not like Sloan, you
and I don't agree with community based policing. I mean

(02:16):
it all comes back to training, training, training. We have
the best training in the state of Ohio. I mean,
Columbus will say they have a great training. We have
a great training here.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
For our cops.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
But we got to let our cops do their job
and we've got to back them up Sloan when they
do it. And we know that there's a racial undertone
to this conversation that we've got to be willing to have.
And so we know that when our white young officers
approach a young African American male in the Dora or
on the bank and they're thirteen or fifteen years old,

(02:51):
it's two o'clock in the morning, why aren't our officers
given the power to ask that young person, why are
you breaking? Kurve you and what are you doing? And
we know that if they have a firearm, that it's
like oil and water. Now you've got a cop in
a situation with a young African American with a gun
that might end up in a tragic situation. Whether we

(03:14):
have the elected to turn their back on that cop.
That then scares all police officers to go, wow, I
don't want my life destroyed. And I'm going to end
by saying on this little piece with you, soan, we
saw it happen. We had a young African American male
in a stolen car running with a firearm that tragically right,

(03:36):
my condolences to the family, my but the but the
officer made the right decision. And we have a young
person who lost his lost his life. The next day,
the father takes his car and kills the sheriff who's there,
you know, doing traffic, who's retired, has has children that
he's adopting. Right during the UC graduation. What have slowly

(04:01):
you heard nothing from the nine members of council. You
heard no denouncement of it. You didn't hear anything from
the mayor, no denouncement of it. And then we've got
to go fund me account for the killer, saying let's
give him money, and then people saying I for an
eye and tooth for tooth with no no response from

(04:21):
the nothing.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
No one's talking about that, and then on Friday, Chris
Chris Smitheman, the footage leaked out. Finally, it's been three
months since the July brawl. Uh, the surveillance just comes
out at basketball kick geyn and said, you clearly see
there's a blackmail striking the white guy in the back
of the head. And of course the viral moment was
picked up when he turned and started slapping some one
four or ten retaliation. We heard that they were harassed.

(04:45):
Racial epitats were thrown at them. It was intolerable the racism.
But it only goes one way in Cincinnati, and that
can only be that blacks are the victim of racism.
There's no comments whatsoever. They've sat on this thing. Finally
it leaks out a couple days before the election, and
that to politics, I suppose, But the fact of the matter,
it wasn't released through the proper public records requests, and

(05:06):
when you have something like this, it's going to leak out.
The days of sitting on something are gone. I'm surprised
it's taken this long. The issue here, though, is what
is the city's policy regarding public safety, the footage and
transparency with taxpayers, because you feel there is none unless
it fits a particular preconceived narrative.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
You and I know that if the roles were reversed
and there were five African Americans being beat in the
middle of our downtown, there would have been a different
response naturally based on what happened, and people wouldn't be
sitting around in this council and this mayor would have
had a completely different response. That's number one. Number two,

(05:46):
we also know that the mayor and the members of
council should have requested to take If I was the
vice mayor, I served, I was chair of law in
public safety, all you have to do is go to
that investigator, and the investigators were signally listen, we shouldn't
press charges, which is a part of this conversation because
you have members of council hold press conferences and say what,

(06:09):
I got one in the chamber. You got forty eight
hours to respond, and you better arrest somebody white. Well,
guess what, there's a captain out there who signed off
on something. They arrested somebody white. That person now has
a lawyer. You know that the charges are going to
be dropped in December after the election, and you know
that that person's gonna sue because you've called him a

(06:31):
racist and you've tried to destroy his life. But guess
what you got, Council Member Parks, you said they deserve
to get the men she saw on council and Holly
who somebody. You know. When I saw the video flown,
I thought she was dead. There's no question the way
she was.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Touched so widely.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
My point to you and everybody listening, Look, this shows
you that we could have had some type of racial
explosion in our downtown based on the conduct of the
nine members of council and the mayor. Here's what I
think happened. I think that they saw the video, they
knew what was happening, and they were pushing to the speculation.

(07:12):
They're pushing the election, trying to divide us racially, so
they wanted the energy in the African American community, the
Democrats to go take simple ballots, believing that they were harmed,
that they were victims in some kind of way, and
the reality was that the people who are the real
victims are the white citizens who were down there who
got the hell beat out of them for nothing.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Christopher smitheman who's running, We'll find out tomorrow or tomorrow night,
if Indian he winds up getting a council seat. We
were all outrage at what transpared to what happened to
Lincoln Heights relative to the neo Nazis who were protesting
on the overpass, how the situation was handled, the audacity
and the thoughts of the people who are doing the

(07:55):
protesting the Nazis, we collected, we're all outraged about this,
and yet we should be the outrage about this to
the same level, to the same degree because of what happened.
Racism shouldn't be tolerated. But sadly there's an asterisk there.
It feels like it's tolerated when it's a block on white,
but not so much when it's white on black.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
SONI I think we should be more outraged. I think
it's worse, and I'll explain why I think it's worse.
First of all, I denounced what happened in Lincoln Heights.
You know, my family is from the South. My grandfathers
understood the clan. They were dicticrat, they were democrat and
they were down there trying to stop African Americans from
voting in the South. And thank god we had the

(08:37):
North of the South and lost hundreds of thousands of
our Americans who fought in one of the bloodiest civil
wars ever in our history, and that ultimately freed us
through the President Lincoln and all that history. But at
the end of the day, we had the mayor, we
had the members of council, we had the city manager,

(08:58):
we had the city solicitors. Off is all complicit in
hiding this video that came from three CDC. That's very
different than the average citizen walking around who's acting like
a fool saying they're a skin head and going out
and engaging in domestic terrorism. And I denounced it, and
I think it's horrible, but we can't look around that.

(09:19):
We had a mayor and members of council who had
to have known that the entirety of that video existed,
with the cameras right there looking at it, to say,
let's bring the video in and see what happened. Clearly,
there was an African American man who punched that man
in the back of his head. And most people slowly
who are listening to you and I talk right now,

(09:40):
they haven't even seen the video because CNN and places
like Fox and all those they haven't gone back and
taken the video and said, who, let's correct the record.
This is actually what happened, and that is why this
young this person who was beat up who now the
city councilor and the city solicitor said hey, go and
arrest him. And I actually believe this is one of
the re that Fiji is being terminated because she wasn't

(10:03):
playing with his manager and playing with this mayor. Remember
she refused to sign off on the arrest warrant. The
captain who is now the chief signed off on it. Yes,
I have no idea where this is going to go,
but the reality of it is something happened that should
not have happened. We start playing politics with the law,
and the mayor and council are absolutely complicit in this.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
And it goes deeper than that. And this is kind
of a little of a side that Kevin Farmer. This
is a guy got arrested over the weekend and Rosemary
Oglesby Henry is a congressional candidate, both black Kevin and
I don't know what their relationship was, but he was
stalking or going to anyway. This is a while ago.
To illustrate what you're saying, is, and he's campaigning he
wants to run or was running anyway for the same

(10:46):
seat that you want. Christopher Smitherman, and he accused, and
this is about a month ago, made no news whatsoever,
accused black women of routinely making false allegations of violence
against black man, saying we have to worry about white
America and we have to worry about black women. I
saw the comment. The naac responded and defended black women.
Not a word was said about the the the avert racism,

(11:08):
the direct racism, the part of a council candidate saying
we've got to worry about white people. White people are
the problem, white people are the danger. No one called
them out on that. The NAACP didn't, and certainly the
reverence like Damon Lynch the third kind of backed up
with the NAACP head it's wait a minute, you can
you can go after and classify white people as the
enemy is evil and that's why you've got to vote
for me, because we've got to destroy white America from

(11:30):
the city of Cincinnati, and no one said anything about this,
didn't even make news.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Look, my father used to say to us at home,
every white person isn't your enemy, and every black person
is at your friend. Correct, And so we're so we're
so bathing in the in this racial component in our society.
And I believe that you and I and we've got

(11:56):
to have these public conversations to show that we can
have these conversations and be close friends. That's part of
the problem. Number two. I send my my prayers out
to Kevin Farmer and and and and his significant other
or his friend, whatever's going on. I have no idea
of the fact pattern there, but I send my defense,

(12:17):
my respect and and I hope that this whole thing
is sorted out. But at the end of the day,
this is very different. When you have a city manager
who's probably making over three hundred thousand dollars a year.
You've got a mayor right who clearly wants to be
the governor or something else, disinterested in our city making
six figures. You've got a council collectively that all of

(12:40):
them had access to this video, all of them did,
and what did they do with it? They came and
held press conferences and said, hey, we're gonna do nothing.
And let me also before we before I get too
far away from this, I don't want to. I don't
want to miss that. We had Cassandra win, a mother
of five in OTR, who was shot in the back,

(13:01):
and we still don't know who killed her. And so
Ronda Wynn, who I have had communications with the mother,
is very she's grieving because we do not have the killer.
We have a picture of somebody who shot as she
tells me thirty times, right where where are the African
American leaders calling and working with us to find who

(13:26):
killed Cassandra Wynn? We are silent on these issues. We've
got to put a voice to him. And then I
want to say for Sarah Herringer and her husband Patrick,
who would ever believe that we would have somebody who
had some type of electronic device on their ankle who
took it off. Sloane who's walking around our city. No

(13:46):
one seems to know where the hell he is. He
shows up on Sarah's front door, on Patrick's door, and
kills Patrick. This is a guy who did two tours
and guess what our mayor, during a debate or during
that press conference, was asked, have you reached out to
these victims? I don't have time to do that. I
don't do that. I don't reach out to the victims.

(14:07):
I'm saying to everybody listening. And I said this before.
I went to the School for Creative and Performing Arts
and one of the plays we did with the wig,
let me tell you something. This guy reminds me of
the Scarecrow without a brain. He reminds me of the
Lion without courage. He reminds me of the ten Man
without a Heart. All the trilogy all together, and he

(14:28):
is actually the Wizard of Awe. He's out there playing
like he knows what he's doing, and he doesn't. And
the problem is we're dealing with people's lives slowly. This
is one of the most consequential elections in my life.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
I bring this all together, the thing with Farmer and this,
and the fact of the matter is just like racism
only works one and that's not true. I don't think
that's bringing the city together. I think that's it's petty
and it's vindictive. It's the visive and you're not elevating people.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
You see it.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
You have your worldview, you're not changing your mind. On
the other hand, we had the shooting over the weekend
with seven people shot in two different shooting. Well, I
guess three if you count to Carthage in two different spots,
but the one and over the line in particular, it's Halloween.
People are out reveling, having a good time partying, and
then gunshots ring out about one o'clock in the morning.
I'm told that there have been multiple calls to this bar.

(15:16):
This particular bar has been a problem for months now.
And again we're back to that issue where the governor
is going to send in some help with liquor control
and all that and shut out the bad actors. We
talked about hookah lounges and stuff like that. We got
these clubs that are open till, you know, three four
o'clock in the morning, doing what you want to do.
But the food trucks, of course, are the problem. I
got to shut those down because someone getting a hot
dog is the criminal, not the people are who are

(15:38):
selling after hours. But I don't know if that's the
case with this bar and over the Rhine, but I'm
told that there have been multiple service calls and multiple
concerns about the people that were in and around this
particular establishment. If you turn a blind eye towards that,
and let's just say that the owners of this club,
the privy that I understand they had a couple of
armed security guards. They were wanding people when they came in,

(15:58):
make sure they have anything on them. I don't know
how much more as a business owner you can do.
But what about the fact that you have multiple calls
of service there and it's been a problem, and yet
you could kind of see that this something like this
might happen. This is preventable if the city would have
been stricter and tougher and enforcement and policing correct.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
That would be correct. And what I will say to
you is that I don't know the fact patterns behind
this particular establishment, but if elected, I certainly would find
out what those fact patterns are. And the way you
do this is you go through Law and public safety.
We have a Chair of Law and Public Safety, which
is council member Scottie Johnson, and you have a hearing

(16:36):
where you bring the owners in of the establishment and
you begin to ask them questions, and you make sure
that the police department in this establishment has some type
of plan in writing to deal with the issue, and
if it's not dealt with, then you deal with the establishment.
So I don't know why there hasn't been a public
hearing about it, right. For example, I don't know why

(16:58):
there hasn't been a public hearing about the term of
the fire chief or or public hearing about the determination
of the police chief. Meaning these things are happening, and
you can't find a council member with a search warrant.
I don't know if they come and give you interviews,
but I want you to share with you. Normal protocol
in these situations is for your elected officials to come

(17:20):
on the air like this and have public conversations. That's
what we do. And for whatever reason, this council is
hiding behind a sample ballot. They're just wanting people to
vote for them, lyingly, vote here's the sample ballot. And
if we do that tomorrow, elections have consequences. That's what

(17:41):
we will get. The same.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Probably, I think there's gonna be counsel people that pay
the price. And again Chris simath them and wants your
vote tomorrow, always saying a mouthful. But you know you
need somebody in there, quite honestly to interpret that to
enforce Yeah, you got you have no choice at this point.
All the best I gotta get going. Good luck tomorrow, Chris,
All the best, to you, all right, take care. Yeah,

(18:02):
there you go, So vote your conscience. But you know,
if you want more of the same, keep doing more
the same. We got to get to news. We've got
other bad news for you. How about the Bengals. Rappeaan
is here a little bit earlier this morning to talk
about the historic loss and the question who is going
to have their head placed on a stick this morning?
Someone has to be sacrificed on the altar of professional sports. Well,
the Bengals, pull the trigger and fire someone, make someone accountable.

(18:26):
We'll talked to him next about it on the Scott's
Loan Show seven hundred Wow. Dark days indeed in our city.
At Scott's Sloan Show seven hundred Wow. Wish we had
better news to start this gloomy time change Monday for you.
But you know, we had seven people shot in two
different occurrences yesterday one at OTR. Lots to talk about
that with Chris Smitheman and council member Seth Walsh coming

(18:46):
up on the show this morning. Of course, the other
news happening is our Cincinnati Bengals, which is a lot
lighter than bloodshed, violence and murder, but still it's pretty
bloody in a different way on the field. Yesterday is
the Bears beat the Bengals forty seven forty two as
the Bengals head the limping to the bye of three
and six now and you can almost kiss those playoff

(19:06):
chances goodbye. Cincinnati's worst rank defense did it again. You
didn't think they could do it back to back weeks.
I can tell you that it's pretty damn impressive to
watch them fail. They come up with new ways to fail.
As you know, Cincinnati is in the cellar now and
look it up and it's not good. James Rapeene here
with SI Bengals Talk dot com Lockdown Bengals Podcast. James,

(19:27):
how do you top the worst loss of the Zach
Taylor era with an even more historic loss yesterday? I
didn't think that was possible.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yeah, I h you're right.

Speaker 6 (19:38):
I agree, Scott, And honestly I thought after what happened
last week that when they were rallying, I literally thought, oh, well,
this is the football guys paying them back, saying you
know what, you guys should have won last week, you didn't.
We're gonna make sure you win this week. You get
an on side kick after scoring his knees down on

(19:59):
the interception that would have put them up three scores.
Like all these things happened in the final few minutes
of this game.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
It gives the Bengals a chance, and.

Speaker 6 (20:07):
They take advantage of it and they take the lead.
It's just there happened to be forty nine seconds left,
and we know that that's far too much time for
this Bengals defense that I really I'm not sure that
you could tackle anyone listening right, Yeah, Yeah, it's embarrassing
how bad it was.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I have never seen like, literally, you screwed up a
story book and it's not in the script, and it's
no Hollywood script, which are that you you score a touchdown, uh,
you get the you recover the ball kicking on side,
you recover, you go ahead, and the final two minutes
of the game, and right there, that should be it.
That's that's how it always ends. If you recover and score,
it's over.

Speaker 5 (20:40):
You win.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
There's no way you lose that game. You screwed up
the fairy tale ending, and yet the Bengals did that
by a long Kala Williams to hit Colston Lovelin on
the fifty year fifty air touchdown with two guys at
least two guys missing tackles.

Speaker 6 (20:53):
Yeah, just tackle tackle. The funny thing is is my
podcast after the game, I was talking about different things,
and I'm.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Like, you know what's funny.

Speaker 6 (21:05):
No one's talking about them actually giving up a twenty
three yards to the rookie tight end. It's that they
didn't bring him down after they gave up the play.
Like the bar is so low. We're not even talking
about the fact that you gave up the pass that
put them in field goal range. It's just all right,
if you're going to give that up, can you bring
him down? And I truly don't understand. And since the game,

(21:27):
I've reached out to some coaches in different personnel just
to see, like, all right, hey, coaching, why it's supposed
to do here? What are you supposed to do with this?
And I know the Bengals do work tackle and at
some point the players just have to tackle, you know.
It's like it's like a receiver has to catch the ball,
like you can do so much. And I think that's

(21:50):
kind of where things are now. I'm stunned that that
they continue to have this issue at the level that
they're having this issue I get it once in a
while really good players, but game on the line, chance
for a storybook ending that should have been close to
level and getting hit by five guys and people ripping
at the ball and him going down the moment he

(22:10):
catches it.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
That Like I said, we joked last week about them
throwing hipchecks. I mean, it looks like they're playing hockey,
not football. As they came into game, the Bengals did
ninety four misstackles six hundred and forty five yards total
in the league, which is by farther wors than league yesterday,
missed fifteen tackles for another one thirty three, So they're
at eight hundred just about eight hundred yards and allow
and mistackles allowed extra yards from that initial contact. It

(22:33):
hasn't been acceptable all season. And as we've talked about you,
that's drafting, that's getting in the talent that by this
level you should be able to tackle, and you're not
doing it in my opinion. So the million dollar question
is in the other thirty one franchises out there, this
would be terminal for a head coach or at least someone.
The reason I'm having James repeat on a little early
this morning normally here at eleven thirty as we've head

(22:54):
in a lunchtime are it feels like it's hit critical
mass at this point two back to back historically losses, you've.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
Got the buy.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I imagine I'll lose in the off week somehow, I'm
not quite sure. When Zach Taylor is running out of words,
he says, it's sick to lose like that. I feel
sick right now. That means you have no answers, heads
have to roll. You were in the locker room afterwards
after the loss. How does that compare to last week's collapse?

Speaker 4 (23:17):
Yeah, I think, Oh, I mean it's a good point.

Speaker 6 (23:22):
Less guys were willing to talk, and I think that defensively,
we certainly heard from less guys. I know when we
put up our videos and our audio on Cincinnati Bengals,
talking was that way, you know on YouTube it was
a lot.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Of offensive guys.

Speaker 6 (23:37):
And look, you're right, I mean, it's it does feel
that way that that a move is possible. You're also
right that it's an issue, but there's no doubt.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Someone has to lose their job here. I mean there's
no room for debate. Is that when you have guys
this is from Mike Protaglia said that a bunch of
guys who were in on that player in the defense
were part of the problem, not the solution. Wouldn't speak
after the game somewhere laughing and saying, hey see on Monday,
there's no accountability there. Then you see guys like t
and Chase and and you know they're frustrated, they're angry,

(24:12):
they're they're bad mouthing the defense.

Speaker 5 (24:14):
Now it's on. Rabbit's got to be on the reason.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
I asked you about the locker room, and it feels
like from the reports it's been unraveling for a while.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
Yeah, well, it's easy for that to happen when you
have two units growing in different directions and you have Jamar,
Jamar fighting every inkling that he has, you know, you know,
I mean he quietly had one hundred and eleven yards yesterday.
I thought that was a very quiet Jamar game. And
you look up and he's got got under guard. The

(24:44):
Jings obviously made a bunch of plays and we talked
to Jamar after and he's saying like three and four
words and it's like we're torturing him, and I don't
want to torture Jamar after the game. That's not my goal.
But guess what, he's a leader and people care what
he says. People want to know what he's says. And
you know what he thinks. He thinks that the defense
sucks and that they need to do their job a

(25:06):
little bit. And he hasn't said that, but I know
that's what he's thinking, and he was. He was caught
on camera when he was walking in the locker room saying,
just one bleeping stop, right, and that's what everybody's thinking.
Chase Brown said, We'll just finish the game. And it
is that simple like and sometimes those things are a

(25:29):
simple thing can be hard to carry out and execute
and much more easier said than done. But they have
to find a way in those situations to get that
turnover and.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
Get that stock.

Speaker 6 (25:44):
I mean, they had him on third downright in Caleb
Williams runs for fourteen yards and then the very next
play is a coastal levelin fifty eight yards.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
So it's this locker room.

Speaker 6 (25:55):
It felt like it was starting to bend before the
Joe Blackum trade.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
Yeah, because things.

Speaker 6 (26:02):
Are just spial spiraling out of control almost in the
other way, where the offense was just so non functional,
they trade for Joe Flacco and it's completely flipped the
other way, where the defense has showed us who they are,
the offense has figured it out and who the defense
is very well could be the worst defense in NFL history.
That is not me being not me exaggerating. When you

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look at the numbers, they're they're very much in that conversation.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
James Rapine from SI Bengals talk dot com, lockdown begels
and talking about what would feel like the inevitable inevitable
in any other NFL city, and that is what is
going to happen with the head coach and in this case, uh,
maybe Duke Tobin, the guy who essentially gets the players
for us, And uh, you know, if if you're bringing
guys in and ain't getting it done, I don't know
how that's that much on Zach Taylor and the schemes defensively,

(26:49):
because you've got two guys, two minds working on that.
If you can't tackle, you can't show up, you can't
play your position. That feels more like a front office
issue in Duke Tobin. And yet there's a guy who's
never accountable. I don't think the average person myself included,
could pick Duke Tobin out of a lineup to show
you the lack of accountability there. It's always Zack Talor
has to be the guy speaking for him. That's not

(27:09):
fair on coach and I don't think it's fair quite
honestly for the fan base.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
Totally agree, Totally agree.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
But believe me, I would love love to hear from
Duke always and uh that that is not something that
we would ever turn down as media. I promise you, no, no,
I promise you we would love to hear from Duke today.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
GM are accountable, they show up, they answer questions, they
do things public compair. This guy, uh, you know, talk
about the man men behind the curtain, right, he's like
it feels like he's protected like a mafia don or
something like that.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
He's surrounded by goons.

Speaker 6 (27:46):
Hey, if those good if those goods can tackle, you
give him.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
You get those guys on the field.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
That's what It's horrific. It is horrific down there.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
And I you know the other part of the frustration
is Bengal season ticket windows open it up and you know,
we've got news neck here.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
The ticket prices are going up. I know a lot
of people.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
And if you look at social I don't know how
accurate that is or not, could be Russian bots. But
if you look at the investment you're asked to make
and spend more money on a team this bad?

Speaker 5 (28:10):
How's that?

Speaker 1 (28:11):
And that is really the only thing that's going to
cause heads to roll, right is typically the family looks
at the bottom line, and if people are unhappy and
there's a revolt, as we saw with Marvin Lewis, it
might cause Zach Taylor's job, but it probably shouldn't be him.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
It should be Duke Tobin.

Speaker 6 (28:29):
I I agree with you on the surface, right I
you know I'm not, But there's so much context that
goes into our should this guyby fire? Should this guy
or that? Or what should you do? How should you
pick that? Here's what I would say. They failed at
building this defense top So who had a hand in what?

(28:49):
Who was the one stopping on the table for who
during the draft when they made draft picks that I
got to be honest when you look at who they
could have had in like consensus and rankings and just
like the general draft stuff and I love the draft,
they went down a path that was as risky.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
As any that you could have, and they went.

Speaker 6 (29:12):
Down a path with guys that probably weren't considered plug
and play type players really throughout the draft, even if
they are good dudes and work hard and all of
those things and so very very much risk. They're taking
a lot of risk with that. And when you combine
that with a poor free agency, all right, well, why
were they for free agent? Is it Duke's faulted that
the ownership's faulted it the coach is saying they didn't

(29:34):
like the free agent. I don't know, And so that's
why I'm not just saying Duke, I'm I'm not trying
to pat for him.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
I'm just trying to get content.

Speaker 6 (29:41):
I don't know who made these decisions, but whoever did
and who ever said no when I'm sure someone in
the building was like me and like, hey, can you
add talent? Can you go get this guy or that
guy or this guy or that whoever that is certainly
deserves to be hardnoticed because that's why they're in this position.
I mean, they should be Scott five and four, winners
of three straight, three and one with Joe Flacco, second

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place in the AFC, work with a real chance to
battle the Steelers in two weeks for first place in
the division. That's where they should be and they're not there.
And so they really need to look hard in the
mirror and figure out why they failed for multiple years
building the defense.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
But certainly this offseason going into this year, if.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
You're asking people to buy the product and that is
on field, that's the merchandise, that's the season two, that's
all that thing. Isn't it fair then to say, well,
you know, we saw the ACTIVI the offense is doing fine,
it's the defense. It's sprint a problem. You're in your
second coordinator, the results are getting worse. At what point
is it fair to question those people who are bringing
the talent to Cincinnati, And that would be Tooke Tobin

(30:45):
and people in that front office. If you're asking people
to support this team and continue to turn out to
support the Bengals, is it not fair that there's some
accountability and some questions answered on the part of the
people who have been silent for years.

Speaker 6 (30:59):
Yeah, it's not a big it's not a big ask.
Totally agree, Totally agree. They stunk in the draft. Like
I said, I think I follow the draft and try
to fuck it and cover the draft in a way
that is unique to anyone in Cincinnati and that covers
the Bengals, and do it as extensively as I can.

(31:19):
And they have been so bad at drafting compared to
what they could have had.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
And a lot of it isn't kindsight.

Speaker 6 (31:28):
Like I've said, fans are smarter than ever. Media members
can be smarter than ever when it comes to the
draft because there's so much info and there is so
much info you can get, and so by draft Day,
I feel like I know the first three rounds like
the back of my hand. And for them to end
up with what they had and they ended up with
versus what they could have had just this year, I

(31:48):
mean this is a multi year problem, but just this year,
I mean they've invested so many picks. Three of their
first of their last four first rounders, Scott have been
defensive players, two pass ushers, a safety, and now corner like.
They've invested two second round picks in corners. They invested
two picks this year in mine back like they've invested
in the defense, and they're either poor picks they can't

(32:12):
develop them, or a mixture of both. And firing lou
clearly didn't.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Worse arguably, I mean it's, uh, you know, a loss
is still a loss. And I look at this, I
think many Bengals fans do, and you throw your hands
up in apathy, going, we're this close to the super
bowling a couple of years ago and now this something's
got to change. And quite obviously, going to the bye week,
I think the silence down there by not doing it,
doing something and addressing this is really hurt because I mean,

(32:39):
the players go their separate ways for the bye week
for a little while. Anyway, doesn't that just bring more
animosity when they come back. It's gonna make it worse
because you're going to steal on that during the time
off you had.

Speaker 6 (32:48):
Sure, Well, you know, if you're an offensive player, you're
going to see your family during the bye You're probably
going to go home or your hometown and guess what
your your buddy, that the hole in the wall bar man,
that defense, Oh my god, I don't.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
In on defense. They're gonna make faces and like, oh
that's a tough one. Huh.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
You know, it's gonna be therapeutic.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
You're going to come back and be pissed more pissed off,
probably because you're in your own head about it real quick, James.
The odds that something happens today, never say never, But
are we going to see something? There's got to be
some sort of symbolic move the Bengals do to appease
the fan baser.

Speaker 6 (33:29):
The thing is is they don't react that way.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

Speaker 6 (33:35):
A lot of franchises in the NFL react with emotion,
and usually I think that they they get it wrong.
I don't know, person I don't know what firing Al
Golden does. Yep, I don't because he can't physically go
out there and make Jordan.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
Battle right right, all right?

Speaker 6 (33:51):
For those that want that gone, fine, that could happen.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
I just don't think it's gonna happen today. And I don't.

Speaker 6 (33:58):
I still don't know what that does it other than
make a move to make a move. But one that's
interesting is to do and if they look at it
and they say, man, we really don't have the talent.
And I'm not saying that would happen today. I think
that would happen at the end of the year. I
think any of these moves would happen at the end
of the year, Sara En. I want to dismiss any
of them, but I'm not. Anything's going to happen today,

(34:18):
which means that it'll happen probably five minutes after I
get all right.

Speaker 5 (34:22):
James, all the best, buddy, I know we got to
get going around a light. Appreciate it. Thanks Dan.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Well if something breaks out, you'll break in. James Rapeen
with Bengals Talks, Bengals Talk dot Com of course locked
on Bengals the Daily Podcast.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
All the best.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
Thanks, Thanks God.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Just when you think it can't get any worse, it does.
Home of the Best Bengals covered seven hundred w W Cincinnata.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Do you want to be in American?

Speaker 2 (34:43):
All right?

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Scott flowing back on seven hundred WWD. Could we have
any more like awful news going on this Monday morning?
Not how we want to wake up when we we
did get an hour's sleep, But at the same time,
you know winter is here and it's going to be
depressing and dark, and of course you had the Bengals.
That kind of peals in comparison to the serious nature
of seven people shot in and around Cincinnati on Saturday,

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literally at one o'clock in the morning in OTR gun
violence rang out in front of the Privy Bar on
Elm Street, steps away from Rhenggeist by the way. And
keep in mind a lot of people reveling because it's Halloween.
They're dressed up there and costume. You have college kids,
young people, middle aged people, older people having a good time.
The gunfire rings out in front of this bar. And
I just got this video and I shared it via

(35:25):
my Facebook page at Scott Sloane in on ex at
Scott Sloane, and it comes from a reliable source, an
individual who lives in the neighborhood. It is a Sunday
morning and I'll describe it for you if you want
to see it for yourself. It's just too unreal to
believe in the city that hours after an investigation into
the shots fired, we have the image laying in the
grass literally across the street, steps away from the Privy nightclub.

(35:48):
In the grass is a handgun just lying there. It's
got dew on it, it's got rain on it, whatever
it might be do or a moisture. And the individuals
like I live in the neighborhood describing the fact that
they had this investigation of shooting and there's a gun
lying there. Now, could the gun have been thrown there
after the shooting? It possibly, but it makes one question

(36:11):
maybe how thin the resources are and what the priorities are.
And you've got so many people running around trying to
police and do what they're doing, and with limited, by
the way limited resources, one could ask did that thing
get missed during the shooting investigation?

Speaker 5 (36:27):
It is.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
It's chilling to see. And also, you know, you could
see the kind of crowd that you know, mingles out there.
It's not good. Listen, I'm off far but having a
good time and I don't care. But you know, when
you have to have armed security guards, when you have
to have people with metal detectors making sure that you
don't get in there with guns and weapons, that's a problem.
And why is that allowed? Why is that permitted? As

(36:50):
I understand it that this is a problem with this club,
it's been going on for months now and it yet
to be addressed. And now we've got a gun literally
lying in front of the club, or a shooting happened
just hours ago. This is what we're facing here in Cincinnati.
Joined the show on seven hundred Wow. She's Betsy brandtnor
Smith with the National Police Association, because I want to
get some perspective and just maybe how to whack Cincinnati

(37:12):
is compared to comparable cities for the rest of the country. Betsy,
welcome back, are you hey?

Speaker 3 (37:17):
It's great to be with you.

Speaker 7 (37:19):
And and I'm so glad you're talking about this because
so many big blue cities around the country are dealing
with this exact same issue violent crime, you know, gun
crime in an area where there are all these gun laws.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
That are supposed to take care of this.

Speaker 7 (37:38):
So yeah, Cincinnati is is unfortunately right.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Up there are we a outlier compared to comparable cities.
I mean, I feel we live here. We don't get
to see you think it's awful right now because I
had you on after the beatdown, the July brawl, We've
had the police chief fired, we have shootings on Fountain
Square is iconic. Everyone knows about Fountain Square and the
Genius of Water Statue. That is the literally, if you're

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to drop a pin on the map where Cincinnati is,
that the tip of that pin would be right through
the heart of the Genius of Water Statue. That's the
town center basically, and people are out there having a
good time in gunfire. And then on Thursday night football
when the Steelers are in town, we had an individual
shot steps away following the game. And now this seven shooting.
Seven people shot, including what I just described in front

(38:26):
of a nightclub with a gun lying there the morning
after in the grass. When you look at other cities,
I mean, how comparable are we because it feels like
there's no way it could be worse than other cities.

Speaker 7 (38:37):
Well, you're not worse in the cities obviously, Memphis, Tennessee, Chicago, Illinois,
New York City, larger cities, you know, so you do
have less violent crime than the cities like that. But
the problem is in Cincinnati, like in some of these
other cities, is you've had this almost decade long emphasis

(39:01):
on things like restorative justice and racial justice.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
And all that.

Speaker 7 (39:05):
And then in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, we
had the George Floyd situation where law enforcement was vilified,
prosecutors were encouraged to spend more time worrying about criminals
than crime victims, and we talked about race, race, race,
and we stopped talking about stopping crime and helping victims.

(39:30):
So in that light, Cincinnati is right up there with
other big blue cities, and it's really unfortunate because Cincinnati
is such a beautiful city.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
It feels like at this point it's starting to get
away from this. You know, during the summer months, we
see a spike for obvious reasons. Young people are out
gun crimes, juveniles are committing violent crimes and violent acts.
Usually that settles down when the weather gets a little
bit cooler. But we've now steamrolled into this being October
and all that with all these people downtown for Halloween
and now seven people shot this weekend. In particular, we

(40:02):
as you know, Betsy fired a police chief, or at
least she's unpaid administrative leave, whatever the hell that means.
And it's going to be two months to find out
why the city fired her in the first place. That
can't be helpening elsewhere where you fire essentially fire the
police chief and then look for reasons as to why
you fired her. It's going to take two months and
spend about forty fifty thousand dollars in tax paramney.

Speaker 7 (40:22):
No, you're you're right about that, and she, you know, again,
why was she fired? You know, maybe her response wasn't
the best when it came to you guys, making international news.
But you know, she came up from inside. She seems
to know what she's doing, and it seems to be
a real knee jerk reaction. But again, we prefer to

(40:43):
wait until the investigation is over. But in the meantime,
you have people that are being victimized, and how do
you stop that, how do you stop.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
This gun crime? You put people in prison.

Speaker 7 (40:57):
Punishment works, And that's the problem that you have in Cincinnati,
like in so many other big blue cities, is we've
stopped punishing criminals. We worry way more about their feelings
than we do about the feelings of the crime victims,
and we stopped really paying attention to law. Restorative justice
is which means we worry more about the criminal than

(41:20):
the crime victim. Restorative justice is one of the worst
things to happen to this nation and also to happen
to Cincinnati. And you can look around Ohio and you
can see how other cities deal with crime, how other
counties deal with crime, and very often they do a
better job.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
But Cincinnati, unlike some other.

Speaker 7 (41:40):
Larger cities, is extremely salvageable, and that's what people need
to focus on.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
You know, what we see in the crime. The final
crime isn't up necessarily in certain areas. It is like
areas we're talking about property crime is through the roof,
that's like up sixty percent. But is that pat and
common in other cities? And what about that divergence that
indicates about the underlying crime issues that we have.

Speaker 7 (42:03):
When you look at crime statistics, almost every city you
look at, crime is down. But the problem with that
is it's reported crime. Forty three percent of crimes in
this country go unreported because people have given up. And
when you have a police department that's short staff like

(42:24):
Cincinnati does, when you have a police department that is
beleieaguered like Cincinnati has, people don't even bother to report
every you know, many many crimes. And it's extraordinary to
hear that property crime is up because that's the crimes
that often go unreported. So I would guess your property
crime problem is off the hook.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
You also have a.

Speaker 7 (42:46):
Juvenile crime problem that, in my opinion, isn't being properly
dealt with. We have got to look at juveniles, we
have to look at them differently. That's appropriate, but they
also need to be punished.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Betsy Brightner Smith of the National Police Association on the
show on seven hundred W But kind of like a
national perspective on what's happening in Cincinnati with the seven
people shot over the weekend and the steady drumbeat of violence.
It feels like we had the leak of the police
video on Friday, and that would substantiate the fact that
the alert Schabnowski hit that the white guy, he was
the victim in this whole thing, was attacked from behind,

(43:21):
and that was not shared because it didn't lead the
narrative about how race crimes actually work. It was a
black guy punching him in the back of the head.
He turns around starts slapping people. But that's what we
saw and that's as sickening as anything else because of
all this violence. We don't need to add racial animosity
this whole thing, but that was of course ginned up
by a lot of the people who are not only
seeking your vote but seeking power in the city. Is

(43:43):
that racism is a one way street. It's always white
on block, not the other way around. And we could
admit that regardless of who you are, what you look like,
what you stand for, that we have racists among us,
and except to the good people to stand up, then
you could actually solve problems. But that's not happening right
now in our city. And I look at the gun
laying outside the club. That's not a good look for CPD.

(44:03):
I just posted this on my Facebook and x feeds
Betsy Brandner Smith that someone shared with me. They were
out the next morning after the shooting at the club
and OTR and literally across the street from the club
there was a handgun looks like a nine millimeter handgun
laying on the grass right in front of the club.
People are going to look at the police and go,
how the hell could you miss a gun unless the
gun was thrown there after the crime, after the police

(44:25):
had left, But that's probably unlikely.

Speaker 7 (44:28):
Well, and that's the thing, and we really don't know.
I assume there are cameras outside of this club, and
I assume.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
That, well, we'll know.

Speaker 7 (44:36):
But you're right, it's not a good look. But you know,
the Cincinnati Police Department.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Used to be one of the.

Speaker 7 (44:43):
Best in the country, and they have so many good
people and good leaders. The problem is is, again they
have been themselves beaten down by political leadership. And this
is why elections are so very.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Important when you go to the you know, people, when
you go to.

Speaker 7 (45:03):
The polls tomorrow, we don't tell you how to vote,
but I want you to think about how you're living
in the city of Cincinnati, and this is the same thing,
and we're seeing all around the country. New York's a
great example. You know, who is going to give you
a safer life in your city because a lot of
people are moving, but people who can't afford to move

(45:24):
are stuck and they're the ones who become the victims.
And we hear so much about.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Oh people, you know, poor people.

Speaker 7 (45:31):
Are you know, they commit crimes because of this.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
And that most people are not criminals.

Speaker 7 (45:36):
Cops know this, the media knows this, even if they
don't want to talk about it. Most people are just
trying to live their lives. We have got to root
out the criminals, punish them, incarcerate them, and then everybody
needs to be able to live their lives in a nice, open.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Society like we were able to do forty.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
Yeah, yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
To make this a racial element of the race, the
biggest victims of these crimes by these individuals are Black
women in particular, black community suffer the most. When you
talk about these gun crimes and the like. Not not
always because we have shootings. Believe me, speaking for white America,
I mean it's not like we have all the problems
solved either. We got plenty of problems for sure, But

(46:22):
the violence issue affects us all regardless of where it hat.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
Don't care where it happens. I just care that it
is happening.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
And when a gun is laying on in the street
basically of Cincinnati hours after shooting, it's a bad look
again for our community.

Speaker 5 (46:35):
Into the missteps continue to go.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
And not only that, a lot of the complaints are
unanswered by this administration, be the city manager and the mayor.
Is if we simply don't acknowledge it, it'll go away,
and all we hear is out how tough on crime
were going to be? Well, all the while judges are
letting people out who should be locked up. That's exactly
what you're talking about, Betsy Brandner Smith the National Police Association.
I'm willing bet that those involved in the shootings over

(46:59):
the weekend have had something in their jacket that would
prohibit them from having the firearm. You can almost bet
the house on it. It happened in just about every
case we've had so far, why would this be different.

Speaker 7 (47:11):
Well, and I'm going to guess that the vast majority
of them have probably had lots of police contact before,
lots of judiciary contact before. And this is the problem
that we're seeing around the nation, and you're seeing it
in Cincinnati as well. As people are not being punished
because what we're saying is societally, punishment is bad. We

(47:33):
can't punish people. We just need to understand them and
hold their hand and realize that they weren't breastfed long
enough and things like that. And it's ridiculous because again,
most people do not commit crimes, rich, poor, black, white, whatever.
We need to root out the criminals, punish them, and

(47:54):
go back to a sane society. And that's why it's
so important to vote, and to vote for your own safety,
not for some political party or not because you don't
like the guy in the White House. Think about your
own life and is your political leadership doing right by

(48:16):
you a citizen of Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
I would say, in Cincinnati, know that that too much
of emphasis is put on stuff that you mentioned and
the whole deal. Listen, inclusivity. I'm all for the best
person for the job, open it up and let the
market decide. I'm a free market kind of guy. But
the idea when Terry Thiji, before she was fired three
years ago, she was named police chief and her biggest
concern was about what I'm talking about here. Wasn't about
improving the police force, more cops on the street, stuff

(48:40):
like that, important stuff like that. The administration didn't want
to do that. They wanted to focus on inclusivity and
all those things. And the end result is when you
ignore the police department and don't feed it and care
and nurture for it, things like this happen because there's
a criminal element out there and not again, I think
you'd admit there's different tiers of criminals, but you just
encourage this kind of predatory, sociopathic behavior where people simply

(49:03):
we've had shootings here, Betsy, where there's cops standing there,
and they still wind up shooting.

Speaker 5 (49:08):
They don't care.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
About their lives or us around, just their immediate needs.
I'm tired of hearing about being on your own recognizance,
and they're going to get a job and just promise
never to do it again. These same people go out
with an ankle monitor and shoot folks, just like what
happened in front of the in between after the Thursday
night Bengals Gate guy had an ankle monitor on when
he fired shots.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
It's unprecedented, Well, it absolutely is.

Speaker 7 (49:31):
And this is why your police officers, before they engage
in situations like that, and the criminals know this.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Your police officers have to.

Speaker 7 (49:40):
Think not only about their own lives and the lives
of people around them, but they have to think, am
I going to be bilified?

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Am I going to be demonized?

Speaker 7 (49:47):
Am I going to be prosecuted simply for doing my job?
Even when usuforce is justified And you're so right about
the chief. So much was made, you know, when she
was promoted to chief and all that, and there was
so much talk about diversity and inclusion and this that. Well,
now all of a sudden, she's not so diverse, we're
not so inclusive, and she's on paid leave until we

(50:09):
figure out a way to demonize her for our own
political and administrative mistake.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
She is a Betsy Brandner Smith National Police Association, So
we're not an outlier.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
We're not different than anybody else.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
If this is happening out of the city's got help
us but there is an election tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (50:27):
We'll see.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
It's going to be interesting tomorrow. I guess it would
be on Wednesday to find out exactly what the outcome
because I would think that the voters are going to
make somebody pay. I'm not quite sure it's going to
be the mayor though. We'll find out what happens. But Betsy,
all the best, Thanks for jumping on this morning.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 7 (50:44):
Cincinnati is a beautiful city.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
I know it well. It's worth saving everybody.

Speaker 8 (50:48):
Savior city, take care.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
We've got to get a news update in. We've got
lots going on, and you know, more sad news of
the weekend. A long time member of seven hunderd W
that would actually one of the cornerstones of the Granddaddy's
sports talk Bob Trump be passing away at the age
of eighty and I crossed Trump's pass with Trump many
times working then at Mount Adams when i'd come in.
I was doing the nine at midnight show years and

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years and years ago when I first started here, and
I'd see him on Thursday nights when doing some Bengals talk,
and I'd walk in the studio and have great conversations
with Bob Trumpy about football and a bunch of other things.
Just a great guy and sad to hear that iron
Bob Trump. He passed away. Of course he went on
to after Sports Talk. He wanted to do stuff like
NBC called Super Bowls, Olympics Hall of Famer Bob Trumpy

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passing away at the age of eighty and remembering here
on the place he got his started. Media is right
here on the home of the best Bengals coverage seven
hundred ww Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Everyone needs help every now and then, and she's here
to help us get our heads right. This is Mental
Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Hattershire.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
Yeah, I wish we had better news on this day.
We had shootings.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
We have of course, what happened on the field with
the Bengals, and just a lot of doom and gloom
out there. And that's compounded by the fact that, yeah,
we got an extra hour of sleep last night, but
the dividends will be paid for the coming days and
weeks or some people when it comes to the fact,
the sad fact that like Johnny Cash in fulsome prison,
we're not going to see the sun since I don't
know when joining the show is Julie H from be

(52:22):
Connected out Care Jewels. Good morning, Julie, there standby. We
got issues here, Julia there, there we go. I don't
know what's going on. Even the phones don't want to
work today, even the phones are depressed.

Speaker 9 (52:38):
I was talking, I could hear you. Sorry about that.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Oh no, that's that's not on you, that's on that's
on us, maybe because of like maybe our sleep schedules
are screwed up.

Speaker 5 (52:47):
I don't know, screwed up.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
We got all this damn bad news, and then on
top of that, we we lose all our sunshine. Now,
it was nice to wake up this morning, but you
know what's coming. That's the sad part. You go, I'm
not going to see the sun in a while here,
pretty soon.

Speaker 9 (52:59):
Yeah, it's it's really hard on people. It is really
hard on people. Some people take it better than others,
and for some people the fall time change is easier
than the springtime change. But regardless, we know that what
happens in our bodies and in our brains it impacts us.
Whether we cope better with it than other people do
or not, it's a big deal, and it happens towards

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the year, so we've got to get used to it.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
But I don't like it.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Well, this one's worse, I think because you have hope, right,
does it work that with your body? Like, hey, I
know that the long days are coming because we do
this in the spring and we lose in our sleep.
We go, Okay, God, it's going to suck right now,
But in a few weeks it means summer's here. There's
some relief. This means that it feels like you're going
to prison almost maybe a little bit extreme, but I
think for a lot of people it's true.

Speaker 9 (53:46):
Well you know, for some people that is extreme, but
for other people. Fall is a lovely season objectively for
most people. But people who really struggle with winter, fall
is the precursor to that beginning of their really hardest time.
There are people who really really struggle in the dark
and the cold of winter.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
And now we.

Speaker 9 (54:08):
Know it's coming, And you're right, there's less daylight in
our lives, particularly for those people who work a normal
eight to five, nine to five job. You're inside at
work during the daylight hours, you leave in the dark,
you come home in the dark, and it's really difficult.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Let's talk about the actual measured health impact is there,
shevel right, there are.

Speaker 9 (54:28):
There are quite a few, in fact, so cardiovascularly, it
has a huge impact on increased number of heart attacks
and strokes after each time change, consistently up to a
twenty four percent a recent hospital study in Michigan twenty
four percent increase in heart attacks on the Monday following
the switch.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
That's huge, that's big.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
That's really really big heart attacks because of the time change.

Speaker 5 (54:53):
Now I thought, well, I got an extra hour sleep,
I should be good. But that's not true.

Speaker 9 (54:58):
Well, you know, there's what we perceive is happening. There's
what actually is happening in our bodies. So our bodies
run on a circadian clock, and the circadian clock is
timed as animals. Bodies are time to the light in
the darkness, and when we frequently shift our body clock,

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it has negative impacts. So we see this on shift workers.
We see this in people who travel regularly for work
across multiple time zones. We see decreased health in those
people in large part because of the circadian rhythm differential
that they have to shift.

Speaker 8 (55:39):
They shift their phases of sleep and wake.

Speaker 9 (55:42):
Also, though done over time, they can come to adapt
to that. But for the rest of us who only
shift it basically twice a year or infrequently, it can
have really significant negative impacts. So I'm not a doctor.
I can't explain this to you in greater detail than that,
but I can tell you that there is documented evidence

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that strokes go up maybe eight percent in the first
couple of days afterward, and heart attacks go up significantly
in the first couple of days after a time shift.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
Okay, so how do you prevent that?

Speaker 1 (56:14):
If your heart's palpitating, you're beating real fast right now,
and you're sweating, and your arms are going numb, we'll
call nine one one. But before you get to that,
what do you have to do?

Speaker 7 (56:22):
Well, one of the.

Speaker 9 (56:23):
Things that we're starting to understand is helpful is to
prepare ourselves for that. So I don't know if you,
before you went to Australia did what some people who
travel long distances across multiple time zones do. If they
start preparing their body for the time they're going to
be in by going to bed later, or going to

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bed earlier, by getting up later or getting up earlier,
start shifting a few days beforehand into their new time zone.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
No, I'm dumb. I would never do that. I'd never
do that. I'm stupid.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
How you.

Speaker 5 (56:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Well.

Speaker 9 (56:57):
One of the things that we recommend is if you
are someone who you've who knows that this time change
really impacts you, and it really impacts me, not with
a heart attack, but just generally, I don't feel as
well for the week afterwards. I try to start shifting
my sleep cycle and my weight cycle to be more
like the time that I'm going to be in versus

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the time that I'm currently living in. Then ins of
abrupt shift, so gradually changing because we know that this
is coming and we can predict it, can be really helpful.

Speaker 5 (57:30):
Well if you can.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
But most people, you know, you still have to work
and then you go, Okay, Then I got to pack
and I got to make sure everything's in.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
I'm all excited about traveling.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
You know, as you're talking about that, I know some
people and there's people listening who are in the business
of traveling a lot. And you're going to different countries
different times. You know, P and G notorious for that.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
Does that shape yours off your life?

Speaker 9 (57:50):
I think there's evidence to indicate it has some pretty
significant medical impacts.

Speaker 5 (57:55):
Yes, I know third work and third shift does.

Speaker 9 (57:58):
Oh yes, absolutely it does, and shifting time zones like that.
Our bodies are not designed to do that, and our
modern technology allows it, but our bodies are.

Speaker 8 (58:08):
Not actually physically designed to do that.

Speaker 9 (58:10):
So it creates stress in our body, It creates differences
in cortisol levels, it creates differences in our serotonin levels,
which is one of the neuroreceptors neurotransmitters used for mood regulation.
And so these differences over long periods of time can
have negative consequences. And I believe that there now studies

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about protocols for how to help people who have shift work.

Speaker 8 (58:36):
Or who travel across multiple time.

Speaker 9 (58:37):
Zones regularly, to help them manage that better. But it's
something that needs to be carefully managed because our bodies
don't adapt to that. Anybody who's traveled internationally and has
jet lag knows that it can take you twenty four
to thirty six hours to sort of get back in
the groove again, and then when you come back home
the same thing can be true.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
She's Juli Hannash, You're our license mental health expert. Monday Morning,
it's always Julie of course talking about mental health Monday
at be connected care the time change. Yeah, it's okay
right now because you've got an extra hour sleep, But
you know you still feel effects of this too, because
heart attrack rates are up, motor vehicle accidents, your mental
health starts to stuffer with that you get because if
you can't handle the sleep very well, there's depression. Seasonal

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effective disorder is a huge one.

Speaker 9 (59:23):
It is, and that is triggered by the time change
and exacerbated by the increased darkness. So seasonal effective disorder
is our body's response to not having enough sunlight in
our day, and people feel that in many different ways.
People who live in communities that are not very sunshiny,

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like Seattle, often have a low level of seasonal effective
disorder year round. People who live in areas that are
more sunshiny, and then once winter comes they get less
of it. It becomes more acute. So you can have
it sort of consistently or you can have it acutely,
depending upon.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
The seasonal change.

Speaker 9 (01:00:06):
But our bodies need sunlight. It helps with mood regulation,
it helps with sleep regulation, It helps with stress levels,
cortisol levels, it helps with adrenaline. It is important for
us to have sunshine in our lives, and when we
go to work in the dark and come home in
the dark and we're not outside during the day, it's
a problem. Those sunlamps really do help.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
Yeah, I've got a happy any bright.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Light, yeah, yeah, because it has to be when a
certain spectrum.

Speaker 9 (01:00:33):
Correct exactly, it has to be within a certain spectrum.
You have to use it ideally at particular times of day,
four particular lengths of time in order to mimic the
impact of sunlight through your eyes, which has a huge
effect on your brain. So it's not just about sitting
under any light.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
It's about the.

Speaker 9 (01:00:54):
Type of light that sunlight is coming through your eyes
and hitting your brain. You can get that just also
by ten or fifteen minutes outside with no sunglasses on.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
It. It's not terribly bright.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Yeah, okay, So it's just the sun, the effect of
the sun itself, the vitamin D, the things that brings
with it. You mentioned different times of the day when
she'd be exposed. What are you talking.

Speaker 9 (01:01:16):
What's optimal first thing in the morning, before you start
your day, ideally fifteen to thirty minutes of sunlight, because
that triggers your body into recognizing that it's awake and
time to work now, and your brain starts creating all
of those hormones that you need in order to go
through your day and do a really good job going

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through your day. And then sometimes if you have a
slump in the middle of the day, that's another really
good time to get some sunlight through your eyes, because
that will again stimulate your brain to produce the hormones
that provide energy and cognition and keep you sharp and focused.
And then later at night, as you're starting to wind down,
you want to decrease blue light so screen time and

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increase warm light in your home, and then that makes
the transition to sleep easier and makes your sleep more
RESTful so that you can get.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
Up the next day and do it again.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
All right, So what about that?

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
She you mentioned the sleep shifting and getting used to
this thing, But how often should you?

Speaker 5 (01:02:17):
What about naps?

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
I think that's a good one too, because it feels like,
you know, especially when its gray and dark and we
just want to curl up and heave an Well, why
do naps get such a bad rap?

Speaker 7 (01:02:26):
I don't know why.

Speaker 9 (01:02:26):
Naps got such a bad rap, But I also don't
know why sleep got such a bad rap. I mean,
do you remember back in the days when people used
to say, I'll sleep when I'm dead, and people used
to brag about getting by on three or four hours
of sleep a night. And we know physiologically and mentally
and emotionally that we most of us need seven to
nine hours of sleep a night, good quality sleep. So
if you are someone who needs a nap in the

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middle of the day, what the recommendation currently is is
that you don't go for more than about thirty minutes
to take a power nap. Anything more than that, you're
getting into a full sleep cycle. And if you interrupt
a full sleep cycle, that leaves you feeling groggier and
more disconnected than.

Speaker 8 (01:03:03):
Before you went in. And so fifteen to thirty.

Speaker 9 (01:03:07):
Minutes is ideal for most people, and just one of
those a day to kind of boost your energy and
boost your mood can be real. I don't know why
NAP's got a bad wrap.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
That have to be when I appear and work ethic, right,
and somehow you're napping your slacker right, Well, I.

Speaker 9 (01:03:22):
Mean there is that. Although I remember there were a
few times in my life when I would take my
lunch hour and go to my car and nap for
thirty minutes and then get back into the office and
work again because I was so tired. You can't really
nap at your desk. I'd go hang out in my
car and nap and then come back in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I don't know about the napping cubes. I just the
people I work with. I don't want to lay where
they lay.

Speaker 5 (01:03:41):
You know what I say, I do know what you mean.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
Wow, I'm lucky.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
I have a couch in my office. Yeah. I could
lay down on my couch if I.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Needed now, five ten minutes, if you need it. I'm
not a big napper. When I do it, hits, it's good.
It's good.

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
I don't mind doing it. If you need to take it,
it makes you more productive.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
I understand. We don't encourage it more. Now you could
be like some people and probably have a two hour nap.
That's a little much.

Speaker 9 (01:04:02):
Well, that's too much, because then you're you're all the
way through one and into your second sleep cycle. A
complete sleep cycle lasts about ninety minutes, so the first
part of the sleep cycle is the really restorative. That's
why the first thirty minutes is great. That thirty minute nap.
Once you move into the second part of the sleep cycle.
If you awake from that in the middle of it,
it's really hard to get back on track again. That's

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when you wake up and your groggy, and you actually
maybe feel worse than before you took the nap because
you're in that second part of the sleep cycle.

Speaker 8 (01:04:31):
It's not really helpful.

Speaker 9 (01:04:33):
So that's why the thirty minutes is pretty much ideal.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Which time change is worse, the Sprague one or this
and I think it'd be this one now, granted, were
still going to get an extra hour sleep. You love
that one. Bars are open. If you're younger, that means
the bars are open for the next hour. But for
those of us adults, like to me, it's like, this
is worse because we know what's coming. You know that
we're not going to see the sun. It's going to
get dark and gloomy, and you're going to leave for work.

(01:04:55):
It's going to be dark. To get home for work,
it's going to be dark. There's no joy in that,
there's nothing look forward to until we fix it in
the spring.

Speaker 9 (01:05:04):
Physiologically, the research indicates that both have similar impact on
our bodies. I think it's the meaning we make of it.
So to your point, the spring, we lose an hour
of sweep, but we know that warmer, brighter, sunnier days
are coming. However, there are people who really like winter,
and so for them, this season that's coming up is

(01:05:27):
not gloomy and doomy. It is really fun. They like
outdoor sports, they like the colder weather. They really enjoy,
you know, coziness around a fire. So for them winter
is actually a lovely season and they're not disliking it
at all. So physiologically the change is very similar, or
the effect is very similar. It's the meaning we make
of it that makes for me and you spring an

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easier one to manage than fall.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
I might be a freak, but I enjoy winter. I
like fall a lot. I like winter. I like winter
up until about maybe March. By then it's like, okay,
which is wet and gloomy and just nasty, can't do
Anything's rains all the time. That's depressing. I like nice
white snowfalls something like that. Get a couple of feet
of snow on the ground, a fire, I'm good. But
then one it's just dooming and blooming, right, we don't

(01:06:12):
have that. So and then after that, yeah, by February.
February starts to roll around when pictures and Catchers report,
it's like, okay, it needs to be over, and then
we got two mile months of misery is a problem.

Speaker 9 (01:06:23):
Yes, pictures and catchers report used to be a national
holiday in my household when my kids were young, that
was their favorite day of the year.

Speaker 8 (01:06:29):
Baseball season was starting.

Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
It's over.

Speaker 9 (01:06:30):
Yeah, it's over, yeah exactly, and that's when things should
start to get warmer now. Like you, I like winter.
I like a cold Christmas and a cold New Year.
And then you know, early mid January, I'm kind of done.
I'm ready for it to start getting warmer again.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Well did you also notice too that the older, when
as you get older, you want more sunshine.

Speaker 9 (01:06:49):
Why isn't Yes, Well, because it helps regulate our mood,
it helps regulate our energy. Sunshine is really important for
all of the processes in our body, and the older
we get, the.

Speaker 8 (01:07:01):
More challenging physically things.

Speaker 9 (01:07:03):
Can become, the more we need every little bit of
help we can access, and sunlight is important. Darkness feels
darker the older I get, I agree with you, And
winter feels more wintery and yuckie the older I get,
And I think that that is pretty common. It's harder
to stay warm when you're older, it's harder to navigate
in the dark when you're older, and we need more

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of the serotone and the dopamine that sunlight provides us,
and we need more of the cortisol to get us
going in through our day that the sunlight provides them,
because as we get older, our brains produce less of that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Naturally, I get cortisol dopamine. I'm here for Julie Hatter's
here at be Connected dot Care. That's let her be
Connected dot Care if you want to reach out, maybe
a topic for a future segment or a question for her.
She practices out of Clifton at be Connected dot Care.
And Hey, Julie is the handle for the email Julie Hattershare,
Mental Health, money and the Scotslan Show all the best.
Thanks for jumping on, have a great week. Thanks you too, Yeah,

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thank you. I got to get a news update and
then we return. Austin Elmore's here so far, no worried
about anybody getting fired down at pay Corps. Shouldn't someone
be fired for this? We'll name names coming up with
Austin as the the watches on for a sacrificial lamb
down with the football team after yesterday's historic disasters loss out,
back to back historic disasters loss losses. Here on the

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Home of the Best Bengals covered Scoontzland putting the dope
and dopamine on seven hundred WW.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Since you want to American, All.

Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
Right, here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
We have good news today. Good news today. Dodgers won
the World Series. Some really good news. I opened the
Jays would win. I don't know how it makes the
Bred look any bad or worse, but nonetheless we have shootings.
And speaking of sports, we have the Bengals. If you
thought last week against the Jets was the worst ever,
literally they said, hold on, hold on, hold my beer,

(01:08:53):
hold my rhyangeist watch this and normally the football game
and the script is always this. In the extremely unlikely
event you recover an on side kick, and then and
they more extremely unlikely version, you go in and you
score a touchdown to go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:09:08):
You do not lose the game. Is that is that
is written in stone?

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Well, it is written in stone. Austin Elmer from ESPN
fifteen thirty. The last two times the Bengals have recovered
an on side kick, they've lost the game. It doesn't happen.
They did it in twenty nineteen. You might remember the
Burrow Bowl I do against the Miami Dolphins where they
feverishly came back and ended up losing that game, which

(01:09:32):
secured the number one pick. And then yesterday feverishly came
back and with fifty seconds and Caleb Williams everybody who's
a Bengals fan said that's way too much time, when
it was they only needed like twenty yeah. Yeah, And
I say that, I tell you because this is more
insulting than the Jets loss. I don't know to me,

(01:09:55):
simply because it's an only seven team, you're gonna play
like you got nothing. Chicago comes, you have the game
one in a little of the closing seconds, all you
had to do is make it to just stop the
one guy that's it. Did you did you say like
this game should have could have and would have been won.

Speaker 10 (01:10:10):
Did you really think when the Bengals scored the touchdown
to go up one point and Chicago had fifty seconds
and a time out, I thought theta which styck the
Bengals were going to win. Noo sty exactly. Nobody thought
they were going to win. If nothing else, they kick
a field goal and they get out of there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
But giving up that it's third and ten, Austin, I
know all you need to do is tackle.

Speaker 10 (01:10:33):
All you have to do, Scott were nine games in.
This is who they are. The expectation is no longer
for them to win football games. It is how badly
are they going to screw up the chances they do have?
Like I winned that game yesterday. I thought Chicago was
going to win by fourteen points. Right, they were right there.
And to you know, to the Bengals credit, they fought hard.

(01:10:54):
They played pretty well, at least offensively, they kept themselves
in the game. But defensive I knew if they needed
to have a stop, they had to get a stop.

Speaker 5 (01:11:03):
Yeah, there was no way it was going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
All right, here's why now Normally, like at eleven thirty
five of James with Peena, he's busy. I don't know
if he sees something in the tea leaves or whatever.
I said, Okay, well we'll do James early this morning,
had him out at nine this morning from Sports Illustrated,
locked on Bengals and bengalstock dot Com. Great I said,
I'll maybe get Audie or something on later in the
show to eleven o'clock hour, because you just have a
sense with the other thirty one other cities, it's like

(01:11:25):
somebody's got to pay for this. And I bring that
up because Zach Taylor says it's sick, it's sick to
lose that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
I feel sick.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
I'm sick.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
I'm sick right now. When a head coach says that
he's that tells me he's out of answers.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Yea.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
And not only the defense cost the Bengals another game,
but it was reported that like all the guys on
defense and the ones that were a lot of the
problems were laughing to the media going, we're not talking.
I'll see on Monday, like there were no repercussions for this.
And then that's contrasted with guys like Chase Brown and
Higgins and Jamar Chase and all those other guys, like

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a number of offensive players were legitimately pissed off about this,
talking badly in the locker room about the defense and
the defensive players are responsible, like ah, okay, see I
see on Monday, I'm talking to you.

Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
Whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
That tells me that there's no control in the lock.
Like literally, they're losing control. If they haven't lost control, right,
they've lost the room, as they say in hockey.

Speaker 10 (01:12:19):
Yeah, So what I keep hearing from people around the
team is that there is completely no leadership. Nothing on
the defensive side of the ball. There's a lack of culture.
There's a lack of leadership. There are not veterans who
are doing their job and keeping the young guys in line.
So Logan Wilson and bj Hill and Trey Henderson, they're

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not doing that. They're not those guys in terms of,
you know, kind of being the leaders in the tent
pole guys to edbuddy rally around. And it's more than anything,
a bunch of kids just walking around thinking everything's funny,
enjoying life in the NFL instead of grown men at work.
And that's a major issue for this. And there's no
repercussions for it now.

Speaker 4 (01:12:59):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:13:00):
Part of it is if you bench a team captain
and Logan Wilson, well, then okay, well he's he's not
going to be a part of the solution. Trey Hendrickson hurt. Okay,
he's not going to be a part of the solution.
But even when those guys were healthy, they weren't part
of it's really vocal yell yeah exactly. So again, the
Bengals have kind of just put this collection of people
into the Bengals defensive locker room and hoping for a

(01:13:20):
leader to emerge. I mean, Zach said it after the
loss last week. Somebody in that room has to step up. Well,
they don't have the personalities or the performances correctly mixed together.

Speaker 5 (01:13:31):
To do that. Because it's about talent, but it's also
about chemistry.

Speaker 10 (01:13:35):
It is it's about chemistry. It's it's also about there's
a certain level of maturity as to understanding fully what
your job is, what's required of you, and how you
can become a better person, a person and player. And
there's a humility that comes with that. I think of
Jordan Battle for an example, last play of the game,
essentially the Colston Loveland touchdown. Jordan Battle had had a

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solid game tackling. He had actually looked like maybe he had,
you know, tackled pretty well. But in that moment, instead
of wrapping up and tackling Colston Lovelin, he didn't put
his arms out. He lowered his shoulder he tried to
hurt basically, tried to hit him as hard as he
possibly could. Yes, and he bounced. That guy is six
foot six, two hundred and seven pounds. He bounced right

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off of him and scored a touchdown. You have to
be able to discern in those moments. Okay, it's not
about the big hit here. It's about tackling clock running
and giving ourselves a chance to win. The Bengals have
too many players like that, and unfortunately, you know, I
know the reports coming out of the locker room of
the laughing and we'll see you guys on Monday. I
need a little bit more context on that. I would

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like to have some more context because the other people
that cover the Bengals, nobody really said that. It really
came from Trags, and I appreciate Trags saying that. I
want to know more about what was asked of them.
How was that asked of them? Either way, it's soft
not to speak to the media after a loss. You
mentioned Jamar chase it, Chase Brown does it, Joe Flacco

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does it, Zach Taylor does it. Those are grown men,
those are leaders on the team. They don't laugh at
off and say ah, we'll see you guys on Monday.

Speaker 5 (01:15:10):
I'm not.

Speaker 10 (01:15:10):
I don't assume that they thought it was funny that
they lost. I think they thought it was funny that
the reporters wanted to talk to him.

Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
Yea.

Speaker 5 (01:15:17):
And that's an issue and again a sign of immature.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
When you see that conflict, right, it's the dichotomy between
that attitude and literally guys in the offense grown animals
crying and how angry they are that that could possibly happen,
that they said so well, that Joe Flacco played so
incredibly well. Yeah, that they allow that to occur and
think it's funny, think it's okay. There's no accountability now,

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defensive players not asking questions and duck in the media.
At what point do we call accountability for Duke Toben
and we come and go, hey, listen, I said this
earlier to James, Like, no one in Cincinnati say maybe
you Dawson, and people follow us real closely.

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
You wouldn't know what that guy look like down the street.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
There's plenty of general manager, it's player personal guys that
are accountable will come on and talk to the media
to you. Don't hear anything about that dude? Seems to
be important and they're not doing it. But that then
that tells you, Okay, well, how much is it on him.
I'd love to hear his side of this, but yeah,
they don't get that out. He doesn't talk, he doesn't
want to talk. The Bengals protect him from talking, and
he needs to be relieved of his duties. He's been
here since nineteen ninety nine, and really the vast majority

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of his success has come when they're picking inside the
top ten, which anybody can pick those players, anybody can
pick Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase, And a lot of
it also came at the hands of Marvin Lewis, who
had a really good staff that built player scouts and
development people that were really really good at it. And
that was one of Marvin's strengths. He was able to
get the most out of what he had. And outside

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of that, Duke Tobin hasn't really done very much at all.
Now they've expanded their scouting department, they've expanded their research
that they have gotten bigger in that regard, but it
feels like they're going backwards when it comes to how
they're building a team.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
They did nothing.

Speaker 10 (01:16:55):
Duke Tobin did nothing about the safety position, and what
has been the biggest heel on this defense so far
this year, it's been those two safeties, Jordan Battle and
Geno Stone. It also goes back to Jesse Bates. This
team hasn't made the playoffs since Jesse Bates left. Yeah,
and they've tried to replace him with Dax Hill. That
didn't work. So Duke Tobin needs to be in the crosshairs.

(01:17:16):
Duke Tobin should be fired. He should not have a job.
And that is easy for me to say. It's easy
for anybody who watches this team and understands this team
and has a brain between their ear holes that Duke
Tobin should no longer be employed. But he feels so
insulated within the organization because he's been there since nineteen
ninety nine that calling for his head or having those

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conversations seem pointless. That's a problem for this organization.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
What led to another record, but what led to Marvin
lewis being related duties. I think the team ownership felt
it so much from the fan base sure that they
had to make a change. And I think at the
time mister Brown said, Mike Brown said, I didn't want
to do this we really didn't want to, but you
feel the same kind worse I do.

Speaker 10 (01:18:01):
And I think that the presence of Elizabeth Blackburn in
that organization and the other daughter, Caroline Blackburn, I think
those two have more pool than they've ever had before,
and they care deeply about the external view of the Bengals. Yeah,
they care about what people think, and they should NFL

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team should care about what their fans think. Do I
think that's enough to sway Mike Brown and Katie Probably not,
but I do think they have a seat at the table,
and I do think that matters now. Part of the
reason also that Marve ended up getting canned is they
had about three drafts in a row where they missed
on a lot of players, and that's exactly what's happening

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here as well. They've missed and they've set themselves back
years and years, and so it might be time now. Listen,
if you fire Al Golden today, I think that's the
right move because he's not doing a good enough job
with this group. But also there's a bunch of bad
players on this group and it's not really going to
change anything.

Speaker 5 (01:19:03):
Look at that would right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
I made this point of Lou Aneromo goes to Indy,
gets shown the door having a great year in indianapoliss I
mean they lost the package that they are lost to
the Steelers yesterday, But okay, they're having a good season
with lou Anarumo. What does that tell you about this defense?
He leaves, they put Al Golden in and the defense
arguably got worse. How much do you I don't hang
much of this on Al Golden because it's a small
sample size. I think it's what we're talking about. What's

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the one consonant. It's the personnel that you're getting in there.
It's the Bengals going to put an all world record
up for allowing yards after hit initial contact. It's why
they're like eight hundred yards now after the first contact.
It's insane numbers and the and also Zach Taylor. How
much how much you should be on head coach Ac Taylor?
Granted he runs the offense. Offense is fine. So I

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don't know if I have the beef with Zach or
Al Golden as much as I did Duke Topin.

Speaker 10 (01:19:51):
I yes, everybody, the most beef should absolutely go to
Duke Topin. Let's let's not let's not forget about that. However,
if you operate under the assumption that Duke is insulated
from criticism, which he is. They don't let him talk
to the media. He doesn't do any of that, and
so you have to kind of operate from the idea
that Duke Tobin's not going to be relieved of his duties.
I look at the defense and I say, Al Golden

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has not done a good enough job putting his guys
in position. And I think back, as an Ohio State
fan to the National Championship Game. Biggest play of the game,
third down. He goes one on one with the best
football player in the country, Jeremiah Smith, cooks his cornerback,
catches the ball. Ohio State wins the championship. That was
a stupid play call by Al Golden the National Championship Game.

(01:20:35):
There have been stupid play calls by Al Golden as
a defensive coordinator this year. Is it all his fault? No,
because there are a bunch of bad players. I think
eventually all roads lead back to Zach Taylor. This was
Zach's guy, right, Zach hired Al Golden, his buddy, his neighbor,
his guy who was here previously. The continuity and the
familiarity of previously. I think that's a Zach Taylor issue.

(01:20:58):
I think Zach has struggled to find the right position
coaches at times over the years and that has had
a negative impact on scouting and development because of the
weight that is put on Bengals coaches, specifically in this organization.
And I think eventually all roads lead back to Zach Taylor,
and he has failed to build a defensive staff because again,
think about it, Zach delegates mostly everything on defense.

Speaker 5 (01:21:21):
He's done.

Speaker 10 (01:21:21):
I think this you could make the argument this is
one of the most impressive offensive.

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
Coaching seasons of.

Speaker 10 (01:21:28):
Going down, incredibly impressive, but he delegates basically everything to
the defensive side of the ball. Louis an Arumo was
basically the head coach last year on defense, right, Yeah,
and that's fine. People do that across the league all
the time. But there is not a respect or an
appreciation for Al Golden like there was for lou Ana Rumo.
It started to be a mutiny last year where guys

(01:21:49):
were turning on lou The organization saw the disconnect, so
they kind of scaped goat lou. Well, now you're starting
to figure out maybe it's actually the players on the team.

Speaker 5 (01:21:58):
You fire Al Golden and get somebody else and you
get the same result.

Speaker 10 (01:22:01):
That what Yeah, And again that finger points back to
Duke Tobin, right, but it also points back to Zach
Taylor because these are his guys and his coaches, and
he has to say in all of that as well.
All right, I don't like It's they have come to
a point where you have five years left basically in
the Burrow era, and they have gone through the last

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six years basically of failure, two really good seasons. Ye,
Burrow's been hurt a lot. You have five years left
in the NFL. Five years is the blink of an eye.

Speaker 5 (01:22:32):
It really is. You have to clean house.

Speaker 10 (01:22:34):
Now and try to build this thing up so you
have at least a chance at the end of this
thing over the next five.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Years and keep Burrow healthy. Because it's not just that,
it's also what the on line is doing. Of course,
you mentioned safety and defense, and it's there's this is
not like a ay offseason, we'll get it squared away.
It should have been addressed this year in the upcoming season.
And now you've pushed all that back and how much
longer has that reduced that window because now you've got
to do it over maybe the next two seasons, right, correct,
You're not gonna do this in one.

Speaker 10 (01:23:00):
Yeah, I'm right there with you, which again tells me
why you need to start thinking ahead right now, which
means trade Tree, Hendrickson, trade Logan Wilson, trade anybody, you
can trade, stockpiled draft picks, maybe use that in the
offseason to go and get some other better players. They're
looking at sixty five to seventy million dollars in cap
space next year, which is certainly doable. You can turn

(01:23:21):
things around with that amount of money. I know everybody
wants to think that they're broke because of Joe Burrow
and Jamar Chasen t against. Oh, by the way, the
restructuring for Joe Burrow's contracts haven't even hit yet, so
you can expand that money even more so. I do
think you can turn it around quickly. I don't know
that you can turn it all around in a year.
But again, one of the talking points coming into this
season was can they go from the thirty first ranked

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defense to the twentieth And if they do, guess what,
they're probably six and two right now. If they had
the twentieth ranked defense in the NFL, they would probably
be six and.

Speaker 5 (01:23:54):
Two and instead of thirty one, you're thirty two. Correct
one thing wrong way.

Speaker 10 (01:23:58):
One thing the Bengals have always taught us over the year,
Scott is that it can always get me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Now, it can't get worse because there's not thirty three teams.

Speaker 10 (01:24:06):
Well maybe, but like that's where we're at, and so
you have to, like starting today, start looking about looking
to next year and the year after and the year.

Speaker 5 (01:24:16):
After that, real quick.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Austin Elmore from esp in fifteen thirty, Can you do
that without? Because two things? You fire Al Golden. Let's
say that happened. They're doing that right now. Okay, okay, sorry,
I fire Duke Tobin. Do you need him to unload players?
Do you need him to stock draft picked? I don't
think you do. Do you wait until Wednesday?

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
Don't?

Speaker 5 (01:24:34):
I don't think you do.

Speaker 10 (01:24:36):
I think there are people in that building that are
absolutely capable of doing that. Number One, Katie can do
it if she needed to, because she did it for
a long time. Andrew Johnson has been in that organization
for a long time. He's a scouting executive. Trey Brown,
who is multiple times interviewed for GM positions across the league.
He might make the most sense as the internal candidate
to promote if you wanted to do that. Now, I

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think they should go external. But there are people in
that organzation that can absolute and Mike was the GM
for years. Mike can do it as well. Again, I'm
talking about just offloading players now. I don't know if
I want the building, the future the franchise in those hands.
But if you're moving on.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
But listen, Duke's everybody and everybody's on the table, well
pretty much everybody on the defense on the defense, Yeah,
who's off table?

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (01:25:20):
Nobody? Maybe DJ Turner, DJ turn Good. Yesterday Romo Dunes,
they had zero catches for zero yards. He had one
catch that he could have been a touchdown. Guess who
was covering him, Geno Stone, not DJ Turner. You build
around DJ Turner. You're still open to the idea of
building around Shamar Stewart's only eight games into his career,
played that much. But yeah, Trey Hendrickson is a perfect example.

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Trey Hendrickson is here right now because the Bengals, for
some reason, thought they could win the Super Bowl this year.

Speaker 5 (01:25:47):
That's the only reason who's here.

Speaker 10 (01:25:49):
They basically told him to his face, we don't believe
in you moving forward. We think you're gonna get older,
you think you're gonna get a hurt. We're not believing it.
And Bengals have a long history of that. When guys
turned thirty and they said we want you back because
we think who can win the Super Bowl this year?
Well that's gone. It's over that, that hope is no
longer with the team. Get as much as you can now,
I'm real quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
We only got seconds likelihood that this summon goes since
Duke Tobin, al Golden, Zach Taylor all three two to three?

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
Does it happen? Uh?

Speaker 10 (01:26:18):
Today? No, I don't think it happened. What about Wednesday? No,
I don't think it's going to happen during the season.

Speaker 5 (01:26:24):
That's something else right there. I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
And you're out trying to sell season tickets too with
a higher price. Yeah, good luck, good luck with that,
and then good luck.

Speaker 10 (01:26:31):
I would be shocked if there were any in season moves,
just because I know how this organization operates.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
I don't expect it at all. More on this and
we'll see what happens. Austin and Tony at Newon on
ESPN fifty thirty appreciation you, thank you, We'll do news
and council member Seth Walschnexx check out my Facebook and
X page. Absolutely shocking what happened after the shooting in OTR.

Speaker 5 (01:26:51):
That's next seven hundred horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Weekend and Cincinnati not only the football field, but of
course with violence. Seven people shot and two different shootings
over the weekend, one in Carthage and two locations there
one person dead and then a handful of people shot
in OTR outside of nightclub out there inside of Privy,
which is literally steps away from Ryan Geis. I just
posted this on my Facebook feed at Scott Sloane and

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at X at Scott Sloane video shared with me that
shows the day after the morning after the shooting in OTR,
a gun was found in the grass right across from seat.
How do you miss a gun in the grass across
the street unless it was maybe thrown there after? But
I don't know why to do that. Well, there's cops
and crime scene tape up if you want to see it,
go there.

Speaker 5 (01:27:33):
It's just a horrific look.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
For our city and we don't need any more bad
looks these days for sure. Joining the show this morning
on seven hundred WLW about the shootings and of course
we happened on Friday with the video releasing showing that
the city got it all wrong. And who was the
aggressor in the July twenty sixth brawl downtown. That would
be councole member Seth Walsh. Back again on the Big One, Seth,
Good morning. Yeah, horrible weekend in Cincinnati. How much does

(01:27:59):
it Well, we'll start with this. You're out campaigning, are
on the streets, You're out on the streets this weekend.
Have we become just simply numb to the steady drumbeat
of this kind of violence? I mean, seven shot in
one weekends a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
It is a lot.

Speaker 11 (01:28:14):
I don't think we've gotten numb to it. I certainly haven't.
I'm pretty furious this morning yesterday when when I heard
the news, I mean, especially the violence that we saw
ouside of Privy. I mean, that was something that in
my opinion, was incredibly preventable and frankly, something that I
had been raising concerns about since April, and the city
didn't step in and solve it. And we have.

Speaker 5 (01:28:37):
To do better.

Speaker 11 (01:28:38):
This is just it's an unacceptable position for us to
be sitting in the city having this conversation today, knowing
what we knew going into this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
So this is the OTR shooting in particular, it was
used to be posh events I think was event Center
and now it's Privy nightclub. And it looks like, you know,
they got the velvet rope up if that's you're scene,
got security guards, I guess armed security there the velvet
rope they wand you have a where you get in
out of the club. Allegedly what caused that was someone
was turned away at the door for whatever reason. The

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video I just shared on my social feed at x
and at Facebook at Scott Sloan shows a gun across
the street from where the police were hours earlier following
the shooting.

Speaker 5 (01:29:15):
This would have been Sunday morning.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
The shooting happened about one o'clock Saturday night, So there's
a gun laying in the grass the next morning. Horrible
look for the city. What do you understand happened? And
what's the latest that you're hearing from the administration? Are
those you talk to seth.

Speaker 11 (01:29:29):
Honestly, what you just talked about is you know, almost
more than what I've known.

Speaker 5 (01:29:34):
Okay.

Speaker 11 (01:29:35):
I reached out yesterday when I saw the news, and
I have not been given any update on the situation
and what occurred, which is incredibly frustrating because you know,
like I said, you know the bar itself. You know,
as you listed, they are doing things to be proactive.
I'm trying to prevent incidents from happening. But we have
had a number of quality of life issues and concerns
ories about them literally for six months now, and it

(01:29:58):
seems that just continually escalated one way or another, not
usually within the club, but you know, from an impact
outside of it, and the fact of the city, you know,
I think giving me more information concerns me frankly.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
I mean, you have ryan Geist right around the corner.
That's a huge operation, never any problems there. But we
have clubs like this where the clientele is, I don't know,
for whatever reason, feel that they've got to carry a
gun with them, which is why I have harm security.
And personally, I walked to and I'm I and I've
been this way for a while. But as an old
man now, Seth, I don't about you as a young
man if I go to a place and they pull
a wand to wand me metal detector. I go to

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the metal detector getting the club. I'm not going to
go in that.

Speaker 11 (01:30:36):
Bar well, and I think that's part of the objectives
of the bar was to make sure people knew that
that wasn't something they were going to tolerate. Obviously, this
weekend shows that you know, that type of clientele still
was coming and results in in a horrible this horrible tragedy. Also,
I mean it is literally right across from r I guess,

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and so it's a very important part of the city
and where the redevelopment efforts have happened and what we're
trying to work on.

Speaker 4 (01:31:04):
We have to find a way.

Speaker 11 (01:31:05):
We bar owners, they have a lot of responsibility, but
we can't continually have these impacts where just because they
don't enter the establishment, they're trying to come to your
establishment and it's resulting in violence or car breakings after
they've left your establishment. At some point we have to
start saying, like we all have to be holding each
other accountable here. This is not a one off incident.

(01:31:26):
When when these quality of life incidents are just ramping up,
what do we do to cool it down and make
it something that it's safe for everybody to go there,
because we should not have had this violent incident this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
Yeah, well, there wasn't a food truck anywhere around, was there,
because apparently that's what's causing the violence.

Speaker 4 (01:31:45):
I don't, I don't.

Speaker 11 (01:31:45):
I mean, I've never seen a food truck up there,
but that I don't go up to Ryan guys often enough,
so I can't comment.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
On, well, thank god we got the food truck band
because I don't know how this is happening. If that
we have to investigate that. But nonetheless Seth walshon and
but that's just the ridiculous of the spons we you know,
we've often talked that You've talked about this before. Is
all right if it's a if it's a known trouble spot.
We talked about the hookah bars and hookah lounges, and
there's there's some bars and places they have multiple service
calls there and they're still in operation. A number of

(01:32:12):
places like that in Roselawn. But this is an OTR.
This is in the the heartbeat of the entertainment area
of Cincinnati. Uh, you've got Halloween weekend You've got a
lot of revelers out there and then this kind of
nonsense goes down. Uh and you know, I mean face it,
there's you see students in the like they don't feel safe.
I've known some parents for a while now that every
time something like this happens, they wring their hands, going,
I wonder if I should allow my kid to continue

(01:32:34):
going to UC. And that's you know, around the Clifton
campus obviously. So it's a much bigger problem than that
relative to this level of violence that we're looking at.
And this this seven shootings over the weekend. We'll go
into the Carthage one in just a second.

Speaker 4 (01:32:46):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
Have we been proactive enough about going after liquor license?
I know that the state and Mike DeWine, Governor de
Wine offered the services of the Ohio State Highway Patrol
as well as liquor Control to come insts start going
after these establishments. There's a lot of problems. Has the
administration accepted that and leaned into it? Because I know
there's troopers coming down like I don't know, one weekend

(01:33:08):
a month or something like that, Like it's the national
I could say the reservists, But what about liquor control.

Speaker 5 (01:33:14):
Have we leaned into that?

Speaker 11 (01:33:17):
In my opinion, no, I don't think we. I don't
think we take this series enough. And the reason I
keep talking about quality of life issues is because those
are you know, it's a broken window theory that is
the opening point to when things start to escalate. If
we don't step in when it's just a noise nuisance,
then also you get tar break ins and then you
get to violence. A lot of the situations that I've

(01:33:41):
personally been briefed on over the summer, it seems like
there were these warning signs and red flags that lead
to the incident ultimately happening. That we were like, oh, man,
who could have seen this coming? Well, the quality of
life issues certainly gave us a good sign that we
should intervene earlier.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
In this case.

Speaker 11 (01:33:56):
In particular, what frustrates me is that as a member
of Sinciety Counts, so I personally told the city manager
about my concerns around that bar and that establishment and
the results, and I warned that this was a tragedy
that I was worried would happen, and it still happened
because we didn't step in aggressively enough to make sure
that it did not happen. I'm not saying the bar

(01:34:17):
owner wasn't working with us, but I'm saying that I
was continually getting complaints and concerns about this corner almost
every week for the last six months, and yet we
were going to act like we didn't know that this
is going to happen. How many more times is that?
Is that going to be acceptable? When we started the
revitalization of over the rune of downtown, if you look
at that plan in two thousand and two, one of

(01:34:38):
the biggest things they said.

Speaker 4 (01:34:39):
Was zero tolerance on crime.

Speaker 11 (01:34:41):
And I'm not saying we have to get to that stage,
but I am saying the quality of life matters, and
it is an indicator. When we start ignoring it, we're
not being aggressive enough on that to shut it down.
It does lead to worse and worse actions and indications.
We hope that they never get to this stage of violence,
but as we saw this weekend, it did. Everybody is
responsible for that, from the city manager to the bar

(01:35:02):
owners and people that are going in and out of
these establishments. But I personally think that the city and
I hold the city manager accountable on this. I'm furious
right now, need to get serious about this and need
to say we are not going to tolerate this any longer.
We're going to get aggressive and we're going to get
this under control because this cannot continue to happen, especially
when we have warning signs.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
What has the city in particularly this is may or
have to have peerval ensure along the city manager. Have
they addressed this shooting Saturday? Here it is Monday morning.
Have they addressed to see your satisfaction and said anything.

Speaker 11 (01:35:35):
Well, as I mentioned at the start of this interview,
I reached out yesterday when it was right when you
and I were talking about me coming on today, and
I have not heard anything since then, And I think
the noise is definie And I think that's been one
of the big problems this summer, isn't it is that
so often we don't have any information on what's going on.
We know violence happened. Why are we not getting more

(01:35:57):
information and this situation, I think I can surmise it's
because for six months we have a lot of like
we had myself in particular, warning about it, but so often,
I mean every single one of these incidents, it's like,
just come on, give us some information about what's going
on here and what we're going to do about it,
and how we can prevent this going forward. The silence
is incredibly frustrating.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
Council Member Sas Walsh on the show this morning, I'll
pull this back to my opening and what happened in July.
We have seen now leaked surveillance footage that came out
on Signal ninety not it's a Facebook page or they
have a website, and this is the video that Kip
Guy to the assistant Hamilin County prosecutor, talked about during
the arraignments, and that was that. Well, the victim in

(01:36:39):
this case, who was you know, the city demanded it
he be charged. We know that the mayor and the
city manager have their hands all over this as to
why Alex Stravinsky was charged. The white guy in this case.
We saw the video where he was punching, slapping a
black man, and the story didn't start there. As it
turns out, we now have video evidence, conclusive video evidence.
It shows that he was attacked from behind, punk in

(01:37:00):
the back of the head by a man who was
also charged in this whole thing as well, before he
did what he felt he had to do was being
physically attacked by this. They've been sitting on the surveillance
footage for a long time. It finally got leaked out
a few days before the election. That right now, isn't
this cut from the same cloth in that if it's
something that doesn't fit the narrative or makes us look badly,
or we'll just simply cover it up. I mean, it's
been three months af and no one there's nothing new

(01:37:22):
in this case. What the hell's taken so long? And
doesn't it fit into what we're talking about here? The
lack of an action and transparency on the part of
the administration.

Speaker 11 (01:37:30):
Yes, I mean one hundred percent. I don't know why
that video. I mean it was turned over to the
city and the prosecutor's office, you know, pretty quickly after
the brawl. I don't believe there's any delay in official
individuals getting this video. We released video quickly when there's
an officer involved shooting. This was a situation of between
national and international attention. Why did we not release it?

(01:37:53):
I asked last Monday, I asked somebody if I could
see the video, and I didn't see it till least online. Yes,
some of this stuff. I think we make way harder
and more complicated than it needs to be because at
this point, three months and everybody's formed their opinion based
on videos that leaps out before this, and we're all
digging in our heels on it instead of actually having

(01:38:15):
been able to just watch the video in the first place.
Lets the prosecutor's office run the way it's going to run.
Whoever gets charged gets charged, and there it is, and
we can move forward to the city because the reality
is this brawl is a black guy in the city.
It's something that we need to find a way to
move on from and move the past. Because at the
start of this year, Scout, we were talking about sun Dance,
an international film festival, moving to the city of Cincinnati,

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and we're gonna end the year talking about this horrible
brawl that happened back in July. Because we haven't been
able to just put it to bed and put everything
out there and say here it is and let's move forward.
We as a city need to get back to why
Cincinnati was on, why we were so excited about our future,
why people were moving here, why we want people come
into our downtown. And we cannot reclaim that and remind

(01:38:58):
people what's so important about this city when we are
continually not getting information and all these rumors and speculations
is just running rampant.

Speaker 5 (01:39:06):
Just does council need more power?

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
What probably we have of the well power press obviously
the county, but what about the time release of public
records and sunlight laws and things like that, especially in
a high profile case like this, It effects of public trust?

Speaker 5 (01:39:22):
Does what kind of party you have as a council person, Well, you.

Speaker 11 (01:39:26):
Know, the charter puts us on a really weird situation
where the council can request things from the city administration
if you get a majority vote. The city administration, you know,
is only really forced to do something if it's a law.
So if it's an ordinance or you know, within the
municipal code, even in motion, they could theoretically ignore. I
mean that that was the design of our charter back
in the nineteen twenty. Yeah, I think that there's a

(01:39:49):
fair question that needs to be asked. You know, a
lot of people blame the mayor for things, but he's
also very limited in what his scope of powers. You know,
we have built a very strong administration from the city
perspective and I am all for professionals running the city.
You know, they are definitely smarter than us politicians. But
at the same time, there needs to be accountability and
recognition that you are you are working with the public,

(01:40:12):
and the public deserves information and answers. And when things
are happening like to happen this summer, like the happines weekend,
come out and talk about it. And it's okay to
admit that sometimes we get things wrong. You know, that's
not the worst thing in the world. We learn and
we grow, and nobody here is perfect. But it's sure
hard to have sympathy when I'm finding out the information
because at least through a Facebook group. I mean, that's

(01:40:32):
insane to me, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
Yeah, you know that information is going to come out
on this day and age. You just simply can't quash it,
you know that at some point. And I'm surprised it
took this long quite honestly, and obviously at the time
and with the election very important.

Speaker 11 (01:40:45):
Yeah, absolutely, and I am I'm disappointed by it, and
I hope that those involved are learning that we need
to be proactive in our communication. This week is not
giving me a lot of confidence on that right now.
But I mean it's not about the election either, Scott.
And again that's the way we just on our system,
right the administration is fised out with any member of
council or the mayor. And when actions like this are happening,

(01:41:06):
because you know, it seems like things are tied to
the elections, like, that's not why the administration exists. Do
your job come out, have these communications, get involved when
we have quality of life issues happening, protect the public,
make these things the priorities, and make people confident that
that is our priority. And right now I think we're
having to price in the confidence mostly because we are
not communicating about what is going on and we're not
being aggressive enough when we know the problems exist. These

(01:41:28):
are not these are not new problems. These problems have
existed for hundreds of years and a lot of great
leaders to figure out ways to solve them. Why are
we struggling so hard? And it's time for this administration
to step up to the bat because I'm I'm tired
of having these conversations Scott, where we keep saying, like
what happened, the city needs to step up. They knew
the problem that was going on with Privy this week.
I mean, no problems happening with other bars around the city,

(01:41:50):
but that are related to quality of life. Step up,
get aggressive and work with the bar owner, the community,
and make sure that we start solving these problems now
before we have another tragedy in the city of Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (01:42:00):
That simple.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
Why are you one of maybe two council members that
are speaking up? There's nine of you seeking re election.
The majority, the vast majority of council says nothing about this.
Does that encourage more of the same behavior? If you,
as a council got together and said, listen, this is
going to hurt all of us, it hurts our city
what we're working for. You guys control the purse strings.
That's how it set up with the city charters. You
control the financing. Well, if you control that financing, that

(01:42:23):
means you have a huge say in how we police
and what our policies should be.

Speaker 11 (01:42:29):
Yeah, I can't speak for my colleagues. What I can
say and try to reframe your question. Here is nothing
that I am saying today. Have I not said behind
closed doors and you haven't heard it? Because I actually
would rather do things behind the closed doors. I'd rather
we solve the problems. And I think the strategy of
any good city or elected government is for you to

(01:42:52):
never be complaining about an issue and not realize that
you're not complaining about the issue. Right, So, yeah, we
want to sell things behind closed doors as much as possible.
I've just found that, you know, when eventually we get
to a stage where something like this weekend happens, people
need to know that this was not a conversation that
just happened. This has been happening for six months, and

(01:43:13):
what happened this weekend was an inevitable outcome when the
city did not act enough on it. I don't know
why my other colleagues don't speak out to, you know,
more aggressively on some of these topics, but I think
it's probably personal choice on how they do it, and
I imagine they work behind the scenes on it. I
would like us as a city to get back to
the point that you stopped calling me Scott, and I
would like to be back to your point that you

(01:43:33):
guys don't know or care who the mayor or the
city council is when we are just a well working
machine and we're excited about the potential of sundance.

Speaker 4 (01:43:41):
We're not there right now.

Speaker 11 (01:43:42):
Right now, we need accountability and we need to be
holding out and being the aggressive on it in my opinion,
and that's my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
I'm one of nine.

Speaker 11 (01:43:47):
That's the way the system has been set up. You know,
those listening at home, you know there is an election tomorrow,
and you know, I think my colleagues on the City
Council are doing a really great job, even if they're
not necessarily vocal, they are doing things behind the scenes
to make sure things are moving. And I think it's
important that you, you know, reward and vote for those
who ultimately, you know, align with your values. And you know,
in my case, if you think speaking out is important,

(01:44:10):
you know, it's important for me that you show up
to speak out and bout box the mow. But if not,
you're going to continue to get more of the same. Yeah,
That's that's what it boils down to you. So I
think it's a personal choice by the voters and they
may not luck me them all Scott. People may hate
hearing you talk. So you and I can speculate all
day long, but we'll find out.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
Well, I mean, you know, the snowplow thing you're instrumental
in getting calling attention to that we talk about crime
now in this and calling out the lack of transparency.
I love the accountability, Seth. I wish there were like
seven or six or seven more folks like you on
council willing to actually speak out against the mayor and
the administration. But when you don't, then you just encourage
more of that, and sadly it may cost someone their seat.

(01:44:46):
As you said, I think I have to have safe
for sure, but we'll find out tomorrow. At some point
if this could be worse, Seth, you could be in
charge of fixing the Bengals. So this is seemingly a
much much more adressable problem. Hey, good luck tomorrow, buddy,
all the best and uh, we'll find out what happens tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:45:04):
Hope you get your seatback. I appreciate it, Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:45:08):
Good luck tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:45:09):
By the way, Seth, what does that say about city
leadership when even the council people are in the dark
of what's happening, guns laying and bushes are laying the
grass across from a shooting hours later.

Speaker 5 (01:45:18):
It's just intolerable. The videos on my social fate at
Scott's Sloan.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
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