12-11-25 Scott Sloan Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do want to be an Americano.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Here we go, come before the storm, so to speak,
so to speak slowly on seven hundred wls winter weather
starts to move in. Got till tonight, then all hall
is going to break loose. So between now and then,
it's me and you this morning. And one of the
topics of interest today, at least that I found interesting,
is the end of dual citizenship in America. I don't

(00:23):
actually have the numbers in front of you. Probably if
I were better at my job, i'd looked that up.
But anyway, Bernie Moreno, our own Bernie Moreno, has proposed
the Exclusive Citizenship Act of twenty twenty five, and it
literally is ignited one of the most explosive civil liberities
debates in a long time. So dual citizenship is fully
legal right now, but the bill threatens to force millions

(00:45):
of Americans into a one year ultimatum. So you'd have
to make up your mind, and that is to abandon
your US passport and lose your citizenship automatically. You've choose
one team or the other. No more dual citizens in
the United States. And we'll get how that works in
just a second here, But first on the show is
Augustina Virgara Seed. On the show, she writes with the

(01:08):
Hill on RCPs, I'll say a young voice is senior
contributor Augustina, good morning, how are you?

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Good morning, Scott, Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, I got you. So let's just jump in. Let
me run down the list and kind of the people
aren't following this. You may not be following this entirely.
So here's what we had to do. Correct me if
I'm wrong, if I miss anything here too, It'd be
unlawful to hold US citizenship and any foreign citizenship at
the same time, and it'd take one hundred and take
effect one hundred and eighty days after enactment. So for

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future citizens, basically what happened is anybody who voluntary acquires
foreign citizenship after the effective date automatically loses their US citizenship,
and you would obtain a new foreign passport would also
lose your US citizenship if you're a current dual citizen.
There's a one year deadline, so within one year of enactment,
you have to choose a renounce your foreign citizenship to

(02:00):
the State Department or be renounce your US citizenship to
department of homeland security. And if you don't choose, then
you by default will give up your US citizenship. So
anyone who is born with a dual nationality, naturalized US citizens,
who retained original citizenship, Americans abroad who required foreign nationality
through marriage or dissent or naturalization, that's what's in play here.

(02:24):
Did I miss anything important? Those all the facets of this.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, that's essentially what the BLOW is trying to do.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yes, could you tell us why? I mean, I get immigration,
I understand that, I understand that there's a concerned about
who's in our country. We need to know who that is.
But and I suppose that there's a concern that someone
who holds citizenship from China or Russia could be working
in sensitive US positions would be an example. I think

(02:52):
that's a valid worry. But why aren't we addressing it
in that fashion as opposed to just a blanket uster
them philosophy.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah, so it's a good question why this is allegedly
needed or and why. Now I read the bill, and
the bill does not have any really substantial destination of
why this is needed. So the build friends dual citizenship
as a potential source of alleged conflicts of interest or
divided loyalties, but the bill never defines what that means.

(03:24):
Those are essentially just buzzwords that really, if without any
sort of inclination, really don't mean much. So I think
that really this is a solutional search for a problem.
I don't think that dual citizenship of multiple citizenship in
America is a problem that needs Congress to step in
and fix. Really, dual citizenship does not represent a threat

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of any kind. And people who call dual citizenship, by
myself from one such person, I do not have any
sort of do not represent a thread or anything into
a America. But you just said that, Okay, maybe there
might be you know, sensitive positions that require that someone
being native born, like, for example, a constitution mandage that

(04:10):
a person who is naturalized cannot become pressed in the
United States, or you know that requires really you know,
that that person has only one citizenship. And okay, that's great,
let's address those positions specifically. But there's really no reason
to try to impose only one citizenship on the rest
of Americans.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, and if you're worried about you know, spying, and
that's what this is, you know, maybe that would prevent
that summer, I think you're still going to wind up
getting you know, sources and the like. I mean, look
at how many people have committed to reason who are
naturally born US citizens don't hold those those and there
are US citizens they are born here, their families here,
who have committed these types of crimes in the past.
So that doesn't seem to be good indicator if it's

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a national security issue.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, absolutely, there's really no This is not a threat.
And like when I judge bills and laws like, I
think they should pass one big test, which is does
this bill or this no do they protect the visual rights?
Like if there a need to pass this bill in
order to protect the visual rights as or constitution mand made.

(05:15):
If the answer is no, then we have a problem.
And I really don't think that this bill is protecting
anyone's in the visual rights because there's really no threat
from holding multiple citizenships.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Right, the fourteenth Amendment is pretty clear anyone born in
the US as a citizen. We'd have to change if
someone's born in America, say to I don't know of
Canadian parents. Does Canada automatically confer citizenship at birth? And
how can Congress force that person to choose without violating
birthright citizenship. That's that's going to be a tricky one
to navigate.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yes, I think the bill postes many challenges in implementation,
and I do think that it's a constitutional because of
the Fourteenth Amendment, because what it asks, like you mentioned earlier,
what it asked Americans to do is if they hold
another citizenship, even if they are native born and they
have American citizenship, because of the fourteenth Amendment that you mentioned,

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it's forcing them to choose, and if they don't choose,
then their American citizenship is taken away, and that is
not constitutional. You cannot take citizenship away from a native
born American a lex e commit tritism, which not choosing
a citizenship is not an act of treason. I think
for instance of like you said that people who have

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who are native born Americans and who have dual citizenship
because of their parents who might be from another country.
I always think of this example. There's a you know,
am rat and Brown, the wide receiver from the Detroit Lions.
He has dual citizenship. He's American and he's German because
his mother is German. So we're asking Amaranth and Brown

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and millions of other Americans who are native born to
choose nationality for really no reason, because it does not
pose any sort of stress. They do not post any
sort of threat to America, and I'm not violating anyone's
individual rights.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
I wonder how this is going to work, Augustina with
there's countries like for example, Ireland, Italy, in Israel in particular,
that actively encourage Americans to claim citizenship because of their
ancestry because of a Jewish law. This would essentially then
force those Americans to reject those ties. We know that

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the ties and the support that this administration gives Israel,
that's not a good look. Or do they just say, well,
unless you're from Israel, it's a different story. Which take
it very well, and it just waters down the intent,
whatever intent that is of this particular proposal.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Yes, that's one of the many reasons why I think
this is really not going to work, including because look,
for example, I become an American this year, in July
of this year, and I could talk half an hour
about what that means to me and whylusively or my
life to be an American. But if I had to
choose between my two nationalities. I can't because I am

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originally from Argentina and Argentina does not renounce the citizenship
because I was born there. So that would mean like
if this bill were to pass, that would mean that
I would have to give up being an American because
my country of birth, which I didn't choose, does not
allow me to renounce my citizenship. And how is that fair?

(08:28):
Like I worked for decades to become an American, and
I'm a proud American, and I took a note of
allegiance to this country. Why would someone want to take
that away from me? And I have literally no choice.
And there are other countries that also don't allow the
renunciation of theirs of the citizenship. I think Costa Rica
is one such country. And those people like me would

(08:50):
have absolutely no option. And there's people who have ties
to other countries Israel or whatever other country, and there
is no reason to make them choose. Plenty of reasons
why people would hold multiple citizenships because they were born there,
because of coosural ties, because of tax reasons, sometimes because
they are American and their spouse and they live abroad

(09:11):
with their spouse, and they for several reasons referred to
have that citizenship as well, and there's really no reason
to make them choose.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Augustina Virgara Seed on the show She Reach to the
Hill RCP, is a young voice of Senior contributor and
talking about Senator Bernie Moreno's exclusive Citizenship app a citizenship
Act of twenty twenty five that essentially would divide Americans
a sense that if you hold dual citizenship here, you
have to renounce one of those, either with us or

(09:39):
against US. I guess as the mindset here, but you're talking,
I mean little millions of millions of people like yourself
that hold dual citizenship, and it's probably difficult enough for you.
But you recently became a citizen of the country. I've
seen it. Why Why the hell would you want to
come here?

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Why wouldn't I? I could, I could say so much
about this, but essentially, I've been in love with America
and America's promise and what American represents since I basically
first became aware of the existence of America when I
was a little kid, and growing up, I realized that

(10:19):
America is special. America is different from any other countries.
America is different from the country where I was born
and the values. Growing up, I started studying American history
and American political philosophy, and I realized what an incredible
achievement the American Founding was historically philosophically, it truly is
unique in human history. And that is not just an

(10:43):
abstract idea. That is something that we see reflected in
the freedoms that we enjoy every day. America is literally,
and I don't want and I say this knowing the
full meaning of it. America is literally the best most
moral country in the world in Founding principles, and I
wanted to be part of that. I wanted to live

(11:04):
here and enjoy the freedoms that our amazing Founding values
allows us to have. And truly, I am so so
proud of in America. And it's only an honor.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
And I would think that that sediment you just so
articularly describe describes a lot of people who hold dual citizenships.
And I'm sure someone's listening right now. And the case
you just made for becoming in America, which is a
difficult thing. It takes a tremendous amount of effort. We're
just born to do it. You had to work to
get here. I don't know how we could tell someone
like you.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
No, yeah, I know that, you know, maybe not everybody
has studied in detail the political philosophy the United States,
but you know, in an inclusive manner, they do. I
know so many people who are either immigrants to America
or that are naturalized citizens, and they do love this
country so much, and they do value the freedom that

(11:55):
we have, and this is their country that they actually
chose immignate into America, as I'm sure that many people
at this point. No, it's not easy to do. It's
really really hard to do it. It's really hard to
do legally, which you know is the only path to
becoming a citizen. And we go through all that trouble
because we really really value this country. This country is

(12:19):
worth it. So yeah, it's really unfair, I think, to
you know, to impose this very onerous requirement on people
like me who truly love this country.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah. And the other thing, too is the practical implementation.
I mean, okay, it gives you, if this is an
acted in past, it gives people like yourself to those citizens,
one year to pick the United States or the country
you also hold citizenship in. But I mean, how do
you even do this administratively? It's not like we have
a comprehensive database of people who hold foreign citizenship and

(12:53):
the light we know you have a you know, your
old status here, But I mean, how do you even
go through the notification Prouz?

Speaker 3 (12:59):
It seems impossible, yes, including because there is no registry
of who olds the world citizenship for multiple citizenship in America,
So how are we going to know? And yeah, it
would be a bureaucratic nightmare to do that, and it
would be so expensive, it will require so many resources,

(13:19):
touch player money in order to just exclude people who
for whatever reason can't make a choice like myself or
just for whatever reason do not want to make a choice.
But they are just as American as anybody else.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, and you're talking about a sizeable amount of the
other element here too, is that. Okay, let's say maybe
you want to Agustina. You go, okay, I'll be in America.
I'm going to renounce my Argentinian citizenship. You renounce that,
But what if the foreign country is simply refused to
process that or just it's like okay, well fine you
want to announce. It's going to cost you I don't
know two hundred thousand dollars to do that, or it

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just takes a lot longer than a year for them
to process all that stuff. With this, you can lose
your US citizenship. There's no fault here on I mean sure,
that's a pretty big do process violation. I would think
would you agree.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Yes, absolutely agree with that because the status of the
other citizenship has nothing to do with whatever the US
government decides decides to do. And like in the case
of like, like I said, like myself, I literally cannot
legally renounce my citizenship because Argentina does not allow it.
I will never stop being in Argentinian even if I try,

(14:28):
because it is illegal. I literally cannot legally renounce the citizenship.
So what do we do there? Should I these trips
with my citizenship because of you know, the Argentinia law
and I never chose to be born there. That's that's
not right. And yeah, like you said, it can take
a long time to you know, renownce some some other
country citizenship, and it might be really expensive and there

(14:51):
might be you know, may require you to go there.
Like there's so many things that can happen that you know,
it's not a straightforward process and that one year deadline
is really just not going to work.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, I went down think here, because you're talking about
millions of people here too and trying to have them
process that would be extremely difficult, I think in a
lot of these cases. So how much of this, then, Augustine,
do you think this is actually? Is this just political posturing?
Is this his bluster? And I mean Bernie Marina proposes this,
but does he actually think it as a chance of
passing or just does it to offer I guess the

(15:23):
core a gesture of saying, hey, I'm getting tough on
immigrants here in the United States. It doesn't seem like,
you know, there's a big movement to get this pass.
But along all the details we just laid out and
probably countless more make it feel like it's an impossibility.
Is this just posturing?

Speaker 3 (15:40):
I think there has to be some of that, because,
like I said, I read the bill. There's really four
pages and that's not a lot. And I don't think honestly,
when I read the bill, I was expecting to find,
you know, a long explanation why we need this. I
was expecting to find a longer explanation of how is
this actually going to work, the build laxing details, and

(16:02):
that makes me think that there is not a lot
of effort put into actually trying to make this to
persuade uh, you know, the Congress to pass this bill.
So and I know there's obviously there's going to be
if this bill is debated, there's going to be like
a whole debate and they're going to explain what it's about.
But like, I don't see it as a genuine effort

(16:25):
to solve a problem because there is no such problem.
Like I said, I think this also comes at a
time where immigration is a it's a hot topic. Obviously
there is you know a lot of nationalism and rejection
of anything foreign, including people. And it comes also at
a time whereas alconom administration has been also weaponizing not

(16:50):
a citizenship as well. You know, they have threatened some people,
including el Mask himself, from you know, you know, away
their citizenship. So it's I think a way of playing
into this nationalism that is an a vogue in unfortunate
in America right now. And I really, I really think
I think this is really awful because even if it

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doesn't pass, but it will not pass, I can guarantee
you that this is scaring a lot of people. I
have gotten so many messages from people saying, Hey, am
I going to have to renounce my US city? What's
going what's going on? I don't know what to do.
It's really scaring people. And some of the media also,
you know, does not do not help because they frame
it in a way as if sties were a fact.

(17:30):
But this is just a bill. But yeah, it's scaring
a lot of people. And I don't I think it's
actually introducing this debate right now. It's actually a disservice.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
I agree, I agree with. I guess it's it's politics
is worse in my opinion, it's just more posturing with
no intent of actually anything passed. But it's a gesture
to whom I don't know. But I think the country
is better people like yourself, you know, provided your you're
paying taxes, you're working, you're educated, you're contributing. That's what
we need. I gotta go. I appreciate the time. Augustina
Vergara Seed from the Hill and RCP and Young Voices,

(18:03):
thanks again, thank you so much, appreciate it. Let me
get a news update, and of course we get the weather.
We'll get the latest timelines out for you here just
seconds away, slowly seven hundred ww go but to day
here slowey seven hundred w welw ready to go. Snow
on the way again. That winter weather advisory kicks in
at seven o'clock to night tonight and then two to

(18:25):
four plus overnight, and then it ends at ten o'clock tomorrow,
and then we get a break Friday night, and then
Saturday we get more snow. So it's just gotta come
and come and come. Here we go, Here we go.
You're going if you're going to the game on Sunday,
better dress and a layer. I didn't know the layers
would be accurate. You need a cocoon if you're going

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to be out in that stuff. Anyway, we got football
on Sunday, and I'm also speaking of football, absolutely got
the popcorn out. What's going on in Michigan or showing
Moore their head coat? Coach fired late yesterday, so in
the morning he's game planning for a bowl game. I
don't care, bleu. And then he finds out he's fired

(19:09):
late in the afternoon, and at around four o'clock he
picks up a he goes to I guess an assistant coaches.
I think it's an assistant coaches home and holds a
knife to him. Later, Moore is arrested by police. He's
in custody. So at four forty three is when Michigan
announced that he is no longer the head coach because

(19:31):
there's some interdisciplinary things going and he's a history of
getting jammed up in situations spygape in one of them,
but also allegedly involved with a subordinate. Now he's married
and has three daughters. Also, if you follow this, look
at social media guys like guy liking all these instagram

(19:54):
and now, which is fine, but also OnlyFans models, which
is you know, amateur porn. Basically, this wasn't a flag
until after they lose to Ohis get throttled by Ohio State,
and now you're out of the bowl games. Of course
you have the signing period everything else, like now it's like, well,
we concluded our investigation and found those guys dirty. But

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I will say, and if you're an Ohio State Buckeye fan,
you're probably still smiling from the big win over Michigan.
Maybe not so much from what happened with Indiana, but
nonetheless you're still smiling to some degree about that. This
probably puts a little more bounce at your step. Now,
you don't No one was killed on when it was hurt.
It was like one of those cases. Isn't like what
happened with Penn State with Paterna, right, This is just

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someone who can't control himself. Apparently how he rose the
level and they dad didn't know about a lot of
this stuff as it was going on too, because he's
had more than one scandal associated with his name. So
you know, just watching this whole thing develop, it's going
to be you know, get the popcorn out, Get the
popcorn out for sure, something else. Speaking of getting the
popcorn out, this case, this fascinates me. And this is

(21:01):
certainly more tragic. So he had this thirty five year
old man from California who died aboard the Royal Caribbean
Navigator of the Seas last December last year. Now it's
come out that he was served at least thirty three
alcoholic drinks in a matter of hours while showing obvious
signs of intoxication. And so while intoxicated, he got lost

(21:22):
trying to find his cabin and became agitated there's video
of him trying to kick the door into a I
don't know one of the burths. Security actually had to
tackle him and subdue him because he's a big dude
with their full body weight. Had to use multiple cans
of pepper spray on him and he subsequently died in
the care of Royal Caribbean staff.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Well.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Of course, Royal Caribbean is now at the end at
a very very impressive lawsuit by the family and the
estate because they deliberately market all you can Drink beverage
packages and these they said they have bars in every
nook and craney to encourage drinking. Is that's why you
can't have nice stuff, because some thirty five year old

(22:03):
a hole drinks so much damn alcohol that he's out
of control on vacas. He has All you Can Drink
package and this is the fault of Royal Caribbean. So
in the future, I'm sure there'll be guidelines in place
to make sure you can't have a good time on vacation.
I don't think I've ever put thirty three drinks down
in anyone sitting. That is a world record right there.

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And you don't wake up and do that. By the way,
otherwise you'd be dead. I'm sure he's This guy has
been doing that for some time in the build up
here to his death, his tragic passing. Still though, and
I get it that there's a liability issue on the
part of the server. They should know better, But like,
I don't know. You're on vacation. There's vacation drunk, right,

(22:44):
there's vacation. You want to go and hey, I've got
I bought the package LFG. Let's go drink some drinks.
But by the time you're thirty five years old, you
know around that that's when you stay. You know, by
the time you're thirty even not even out of your thirties,
you realize like, okay, this is my maximum could pass
for alcohol. The tank is full. You know where you're lying,
you know where the throw up line is. Now you
may dabble in that at some point, you know, in

(23:06):
your thirties, and go, ah, a little too much, but
by then you kind of know what your limits of
alcohol intake hour, and you know it's like it's so
miserable being sick from drinking that much that you don't
want to go through it again. By thirty five, you
should know better. I also point out that a lot
of these laws when it comes to being overserved, tend
to deal more with drunk driving, right because you know

(23:28):
you're drinking dry you getting a car you dry? Do
you really have that problem in the high seas? I
mean you drink so much that you can't possibly find
your room on a cruise ship, which I have. My
first cruise was last year, and it was pretty remarkable.
Actually I liked it. I was never a big fan
of it because while guys like this and you know,
floating peatradishes and everything else, I'm like, yeah, I'm good,

(23:52):
but yeah, I did one. It was a virgin cruise.
It was really really good. It was impressive for my
brother's birthday. So it was his decision. I blame him.
But it was a good time and open bar the
whole thing. But you know, it's like, hey, I'm pretty drunk.
I think I'm gonna go lay down, or I'm like
maybe I'll stop some water right now, get some food,
and then go ninety nine and then do it all
over again tomorrow. But most people, that's what vacation is.
You get a guy like this, it's just gonna screw

(24:15):
it up for that. For everyone else. So what are
you gonna get rid the unlimited drink packages now because
of this guy? Of course you are. It's like, it's
just it's you know, you get one guy that can't
handle his business and it's everyone else's problem. Look, I
get the fact. Okay, can you serve this guy and
have him drinking? No kalma, I suppose you could, but
I don't know if this one for me. It feels
like the liability is one hundred percent on the guy

(24:36):
who drank. It's like then they weren't spiking his cocktails,
you know how much else At thirty you can see
you make a case if you know the kid's underage,
or hey you're only twenty one something along those lines, eh,
but past time you're thirty five. Like I look at that, going, yeah,
you know, you're grown ass man. You gotta know better,
you gotta know what your limits are. But you're gonna
drink that much on a cruise ship because you bought
the package and you're gonna show them who's bass. Probably

(24:57):
didn't say anything with a buffet, but the buffet doesn't
usually kill people, although maybe I don't know. In the future,
if you're a big fan of buffets and the like
and all you can eat scenarios, and let's say you
do a lot of it. I don't know. Is there
a precedent set here by this case that you could
then go back and go, hey, listen, you know all
those years that I was on a first name basis
with the servers and the bus boys at the buffet, Well,

(25:18):
I have congestive heart failure. In ours, there's although eating
as much as I possibly could. So you know that's
not my fault. Now, that's the buffet's fault. Whoever's making
the foot I mean, or that just one step away
from a lawsuit like that, in my opinion, I don't know.
I like to be empathetic with people, and especially in
tragedies like this. I gotta be honest with this. One's
impossible for me. Like at a bar, when you go

(25:40):
out it's drinking and driving. I get that there's a responsibility
and part of the server to make sure you're not overserved,
because you can get behind the wheel and kill someone.
In this case, you overserve someone, you're just gonna kill yourself.
So maybe some Darwin going on there as well. I
get a news update in here momentarily on seven hundred
Wow Winner return our buddy Sanjay Shaefick CARMANI a physician

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in food and health. And that's where all those three
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Speaker 7 (27:50):
Do you want to be an American?

Speaker 2 (27:53):
I love that on seven hundreds WLW immigration fights that
we're needy thinks and lots of fights including into get
illegals out, keep the legals ten. But who out of
that long line gets in? Who stays? Maybe a better
question of who is rather than maybe how many? And
should the US admit them through reform and immigration system?

(28:15):
Who should get in? At this point? Also adding to this,
today we have Bernie Moreno or own Bernie Morener from Ohio,
his proposals to end dual citizenship. You got to pick
one or the other. You can't have both. So the
Manhattan Institute their think tank, and they studied a ten
and thirty year impacts of dozens of our nation's immigration
policies over the years and categorize immigrants on tax revenue

(28:36):
Federal spending GDP, population, who gives us a benefit? In
who takes away? With the answers Daniel de Martino of
the Manhattan and Suit where he's a fellow, Daniel, welcome
to show. How are you very good?

Speaker 8 (28:47):
Thank you for having me?

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, so you find that if you're younger and you're educated,
you have an advanced degree, those people generate large fiscal surpluses.
They expand the economy. If you're low skilled, you tend
to get more benefits than they contribute in taxes. That
is the bottom line. And there's some other things we're
going to get into here, but essentially that's the core
of this thing. Is that's really that surprising.

Speaker 8 (29:09):
Is it?

Speaker 7 (29:11):
It is not because we have a progressive tax system
and we have a welfare system that gives benefits to
people based on how little they make.

Speaker 8 (29:19):
Right, So if you bring in a lot of.

Speaker 7 (29:20):
Four people or elderly people that will receive entitlements, then
those people will be ennect cost to the federal government.

Speaker 8 (29:27):
That's a no brainer.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
So why does the college you're going to make such
a vast efforence You're talking millions of dollars in that
one person's financial impact, and of course the lodge. What's
driving that gap?

Speaker 7 (29:39):
Yeah, a lot of people tell me, but you know,
a college degree is and all you need, and like,
of course these are all averages. This doesn't mean that
there are aren't immigrants or high.

Speaker 8 (29:47):
School dropouts that do better.

Speaker 7 (29:49):
Right there are many college dropouts that create a big company,
but that doesn't mean that that's the most.

Speaker 8 (29:56):
Common case, right.

Speaker 7 (29:58):
And you also have to understand that for immigrants, college
degrees mean much more than for native born Americans. A
college degree in a foreign country is a much rarer
thing to have than in America. And so when you
bring in people discriminating by education instead of anything else,
you can assure yourself that that person.

Speaker 8 (30:18):
Comes from a much more eld background.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
But at the same time, you know, we have countless
people who have college degrees that complain they can't find
a job in their chosen field and they have a
degree and go, okay, great, I can't service the loan
that I took out to get that degree, and I'm
doing something I don't want to do, and I never
see myself getting ahead. And yet immigrants come to this
country and succeed and contribute to the GDP. Is it
about degree choice? Are we talking about specific degrees here

(30:43):
and not just a degree?

Speaker 7 (30:45):
Well, it's true that immigrants do, you specialize, like the
immigrants that are sponsored to come in fields that are
even more highly paid, so like medicine, stam areas. And
also they just have an even.

Speaker 8 (30:57):
Higher education and go to different universities.

Speaker 7 (31:00):
Right, So you know, people talk about like people who
graduate from the US University's Americans who get an a
STEM degree, but it's an underground degree, you know, that
counts biology, that counts like a regular engineering degree. And
if you're competing against people who have a master's degree
or a PhD, I mean, obviously you can't get the
job that you want. And then you also have the

(31:23):
other fact, which is inmigrant start businesses, so they expand
the economy that way, the average immigrant does not look
like the average person in that country. And then there's
a lot of people who tell me, well, they but
we want to keep those jobs for Americans, right, like
we don't want them to replace the native born college

(31:45):
graduates who are seeking opportunities. And that's just not how
the labor market works. When you have more people in
the labor market, you don't have the same number of jobs.
There are relative wage effects, that is true, but because
immigrants also you know, at the highly educated level, you know,
people like you look Musk who came on a twenty
visis or people like Jensen Huang, they end up also

(32:10):
increasing productivity and wages for people who are college educated.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Dan, you found it. The fifty year old immigrant looks
great for the budget in year ten, so they immigrant
by the time they say, okay, thanks for great to productive,
but by year thirty it's terrible. Child immigrant the exact opposite.
It tends to be a net gain for this country.
So in that regard, shouldn't we be encouraging things like
doc and can you walk? Can you walk through us?

Speaker 9 (32:33):
Well?

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Why that that flip happens?

Speaker 7 (32:35):
Yeah, So I did these estimates on a ten and
thirty year basis before I have done them last year
on a lifetime basis. And the reason I switched to
ten in thirty years is because of Congress. When they
pass legislation, the Congressional Budget Office only cares about the
ten year budget window and then secondarily.

Speaker 8 (32:53):
About the thirty year budget window.

Speaker 7 (32:54):
So when they're deciding to park legislation.

Speaker 8 (32:57):
They need this estimates like I made it.

Speaker 7 (33:00):
And so that's a problem though, because you're right, a
fifty year old immigrant on an average will look good
over the next ten years, because it's going to be
from the age of fifty to age of sixty. And
I'm an immigrant who is ten years old. A child
that comes with a family is going to look bad
because it's not when I work from age ten to twenty.
So that shifts over the third year window because then

(33:22):
the older immigrant is going to collect security and Medicare
and the young emion.

Speaker 8 (33:26):
Is going to start working.

Speaker 7 (33:29):
So people need to keep that in mind and understand
these are averages and if you want to benefit the
budget in the long run, you need younger people and
you need more educated people.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
To Danield Martina Manhattan Institute breaking a study here of
ten and thirty year impacts of immigration, and the bottom
line is that education drives cyscal impact, but age matters
a lot too, that young immigrants look costly in the
short term but benefits in the long term. Middle aged
immigrants show the opposite because they get the retirement benefits,
and that the flip that's going on here. Let me

(34:01):
pivot to the H one visa debate that has become
pretty controversial right with wanting to charge money and charging
literally a small fortune to get that H one B.
Some say it's essential or they say, well, we should
just eliminate this thing. What is your data show?

Speaker 7 (34:18):
Well, the H one B, regardless of what people think,
they based on the characteristics of the people who come
on H one ds, they are the ones that pay
the most taxes and receive the least government benefits of
any desa category. And so if you are a conservative
and you're like like myself and think, you know, what
kind of immigrant do you want to come to America?

(34:39):
Do you want an immigrant who does not depend on
the government, who speaks English, who have a job, who
there's not coming crimes, and who you know, adopts American customs.
And if that's the case, then immigrants to come on
H one visas are an imedial immigrant. That doesn't mean
that it's a perfect system.

Speaker 8 (34:56):
Right, it's a lottery.

Speaker 7 (34:57):
So you don't want to distribute the spot on a
lottery but instead based on perhaps something more meritorious. But
even then the system is better than any other visa
problem that we have.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, I see a lot of communities are changing because
of H one B workers and they bring a tremendous
amount of money to the show. Now the other side
of this, and someone casual listening go, Okay, you got
this guy from Manhattan and Daniel de Martino who wants
educated people with advanced degrees because they bring a small
fortune and massive fortune and even small fortune to the country,

(35:30):
could help balance the deficit and do all these wonderful things.
They don't drain the system, and they're paying the taxes,
and that's helping older people. And that's all well and good.
But does this simply mean that we don't need anyone
who's not educated in America, We don't need that immigrant labor,
that we don't need people at the low end of
the trump.

Speaker 7 (35:48):
Well, America has a program called the H two A
and the H two V VISA programs. The H two
A is seasonal agricultural labor. Now, even though those are
on you know people who generally don't have a high
school diploma that are working in farms for low wages.
The reality is that we didn't have them, the farms

(36:08):
would shut down. It would be too expensive to farm
in America. We would just import the food from other countries.
But we cannot import everything like we cannot import a
hair card because you have to do it in person.
But we can import every agricultural product. So the advantage
is that, yes, you keep that industry here, you create
jobs for Americans and agriculture as well.

Speaker 8 (36:30):
And then the second it's seasonal. So these immigrants never stay.

Speaker 7 (36:34):
They leave after a season or two, and so they
never collect government benefits. That is okay to have. What
you cannot have is allowing people who make very little
money to immigrate permanently to the United States, because if
they do, the math is that they will simply grower debt.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Well, I get the agriculture element, because that's a national
security issue. We can't farm out all of our food.
We could be starved to death, right and quite honestly,
it'd be a waste because of we're the world's bread
basket here in the United States of America, produce a
lot of corn, soybeing et cetera, et cetera. But on
the regard that there's jobs that aren't in the farm
fields whatsoever, that are Americans going to fill that void?

(37:16):
I mean working in a I don't know, a meat
processing plant, for example, or something along those lines, where
it's physical labor, building houses work, doing roof jobs and
construction and dry wall and landscaping. Those are necessary jobs,
it seemingly, and I know a little bit about this
immigrant labor. If you completely got rid of that, it
ceased to exist. I get that they you know, they

(37:37):
live here, but they a lot of them go and
start their own business too. There's got to be a
carve out for that, right because let's face it, there
are jobs out there we don't want our kids to
take well.

Speaker 7 (37:48):
So the thing is that we just would change, even
in agriculture would change if you didn't have immigrant workers,
then we just would increase. The problem is that for
them cultural industry, it would just end the industry, right
that we were just import the food. But that's not
the key and the same thing first for example tech,
if we didn't have highly educated workers, what the tech
industry has is that they opened in an office in

(38:10):
Canada and then they do everything from there because everything's remote.

Speaker 8 (38:13):
So you would rather have those resources here.

Speaker 7 (38:16):
But the issue with other things like construction is that
you would still have construction, it would just be at
a higher price that even then, most of the cost
of housing has nothing to do with construction and everything
to do with materials. So you know, the tiers are
harming or sony laws which we can change, so we
don't really need or it wouldn't really be beneficial to

(38:40):
have a lot of immigrants, low paid coming for construction
because they will receive with just a lot of welfare. Alternatively,
you could still have a guest worker program that is seasonal,
ensuring that people go back and never stay permanently and
collect entitlements.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Dani and De Martino the Manhattan Institute on Immigration this
morning on seven hundred WL do up. So we talked
about younger educated immigrants and advanced degrees a huge boondad economy.
We need more of them employment based high skilled visa
holders net benefit there as well. What about extended family.

Speaker 7 (39:13):
Yeah, the extended relatives, which are most of the immigrants
coming to America. They come with very little English proficiency,
you know, medium to low levels of education, and they
end up receiving more government benefits than taxes they pay.
This is why my proposal to how we should change
the imigration system is simply we take in all these

(39:36):
extended relative pieces and we just give them out based
on whether immigrants have a good English, whether they have
a good education, whether they're young, whether they.

Speaker 8 (39:48):
Have a job offer in the United States.

Speaker 7 (39:51):
And then that's how the labor market come through the gap,
you know, without picking winners and losers. And then the
employment based business that we already have who just ranking
them to the highest paid instead without care of the profession.
You know, it's not about education, it's about who pays
the most. If you are sponsoring a carpenter who's like
incredible and he's getting paid one hundred and fifty k,

(40:13):
then bring in that carpenter, right, that's the market showing
its signal through the price.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, that makes sense that when the family comes along,
it's different. But how many immigrants will that dissuade from
coming to the United States if they can't bring their
their wife, their kids, significant others. What are your mom
or day.

Speaker 7 (40:32):
I'm not saying anything about wife and children. I'm just
saying eliminate the sibling category, the adults children category, who
together they bring in one hundred and thirty one thousand people.
You might say, well then, but people want to bring
in their siblings or their adults children, the religion that
they can't anymore anyway because the system, the family system

(40:52):
already existing is so backlog that it takes twenty years.
It's the same of the didn't exist. We need to
get rid of it and give it based from marriage instead.
In fact, you seem it more fair because if you're
an imaiger living in State of Philippines and you don't
have a relative in the US.

Speaker 8 (41:07):
When you're out of lack, you can't come.

Speaker 7 (41:09):
And no matter how educated you that, no matter how
great you are, under a system based on your characteristics,
you are not dependent on the law of how in
a relative in America you come to a minuit and.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Am of that. You mentioned the backlog, the tremendous backlog
which encourages illegal immigration here. I mean, if you have
to wait twenty years, fifteen twenty years for your case
of here and possibly get at that point, why wouldn't
you if you're coming from such an impoverished and most
dangerous part of the world, I take my chances and
slip across the border, fire them. It's a matter between
life and death. Who's got fifteen twenty years to wait

(41:44):
for you're allowed to come to the United States of America.
This would cut that down, I would it.

Speaker 7 (41:49):
Yes, I think I would reduce the incentive. But at
the same time, we if I've learned that if the
president wants to, they can secure the border. And President
Tarump has also not necessarily as important.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, we've got a government that can't function. I mean,
we're not functioning right now as we speak. As you know, Danielle,
what's the political feasibility of this thing? You have to
do some tremendous coalition building just to have someone hear
this whole thing between family visa cuts and legalization with
fees and deportations and all that stuff. It's a messy proposition.

(42:24):
In reality, politics doesn't work that way.

Speaker 7 (42:27):
So absolutely they're all saying President Trump with the funding
that he got from the one big beautiful bill for deportations,
and how that's drunk enough. And hopefully, you know, soon
we will know what the legality of the DACAP program
from the Supreme Courts. I think those two factors combine
the fact that we already get done with the tax
cuts and the spending debates and instead now it's probably

(42:49):
going to go to another topic. Then that topic might
be immigration. I think Trump has built leverage with the
funding he got for the deportations. I mean, the Democrats
were smart, and it would come to the negotiating table,
right because you need sixty votes in the Senate to
pass anything.

Speaker 8 (43:04):
Yeah, that's not budget related.

Speaker 7 (43:06):
So if the Democrats say, you know, we negotiate, we
can legalize some people. Yes, the school will reduce finally
immigration and we will bring in more high school immigrants.

Speaker 8 (43:16):
But if they.

Speaker 7 (43:17):
Don't negotiate, then maybe a million more people get deported.
So we will know how much they really care about
that very.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Soon, Dana da Martini. You analyze this. You looked at
ten and thirty year impacts of literally dozens of immigration
policy US has had and categorizing the immigrants on tax
revenue and population GDP, federal spending and all that. If
this were to come to fruition and we did it
the way you suggest here, what are we looking at
as far as a savings relative to the national debt?

Speaker 7 (43:45):
Yeah, So under my plan, which would just shift immigrant
research towards more highly educated categories with a chaining the
immigrant flow very much, actually reducing it a little bit,
and then legalizing the people who are here legally as
long as they pay without wags to citizenship, but allowing
them to work in state as long as they pay
five thousand dollars a year for ten years of fifty

(44:06):
k to reduce the debt and they obviously they are
not criminals. All that that will reduce the national debt
from its current trajectory by twenty trillion dollars over thirty years,
it will reduce or essentially over the long run, it
would even stabilize or debt to gdpuration. That is important

(44:28):
because it means we don't to cut some security or
raise access. We pursue radical immigration reform right now.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, and the other element here too, of course is
unauthorized legal immigrants. But you're saying, charging five thousand dollars
a year for X number of years and that would
reduce the debt and they're burden on the system. But
how realistic is that to actually.

Speaker 7 (44:50):
Execute the people who don't pay it, Then they are
the fine targets for deportation because it means that they're
not willing to pay it under stealer of them.

Speaker 8 (44:58):
So they're much easier to the.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Very interesting in that literally would take her. It's of course,
you know, then we're back to the political questions because
Democrats had scream about fairness and these people don't have
much alriting and they can't afford five thousand dollars is
to shake down. But you know, at the end of
the day, we're all paying for this.

Speaker 7 (45:15):
Danield Martin, Yeah, America is not supposed to be the welfare.

Speaker 8 (45:21):
State of the world.

Speaker 7 (45:22):
Right if you do not sustain yourself. I'm baibish after
you wrote the law. It seems like a really reasonable
penalty that would benefit the nation.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Seems like five grand to make this go away. Isn't
that big an ass, I'll be honest with you. Daniel
Dee Martino at the Manhattan Institute, thanks so much for
the time. Really interesting. Thank you appreciate the time. Got
to pivot, get to news. We have bad weather moving in.
Give you the timeline and all the details in just seconds.
Here on seven hundred w welw. Scott flowed back on

(45:54):
seven hundred WW Thursday morning, got the weekend that ahead.
Ready to shovel some snow starting tonight and early tomorrow
morning and on. That is our resident eeer physician and
expert when it comes to health and food and everything
else at Sanja Schefercramani, Welcome, good to see you. I'm
glad we're doing this today, not tomorrow. You wouldn't be here,
would you.

Speaker 10 (46:13):
No, I'd probably make it through, but I would be
here two hours from now.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Wait and yeah, happy to be here today, So good
to have you. I know there's a topic you want
again I think there's interesting new data out there about
how short bursts of physical activity are better for you
in the long run, because normally you know this time
of year and what I'm sure we'll get into this.
You know what to look for in a gym membership
and what you should be doing, and everyone has that,

(46:38):
seemingly seventy two hours at the very least, usually going Okay,
I got the new track suit, I got I got
a phone, holdster, I got towels, I got matching shoes,
I got a yoga man. Well, LFG, let's go, and
then by day three you're like, the hell with this,
it hurts too much, I'm out of here. It's exactly it.

Speaker 10 (46:55):
There's actually a quitting day, I think, if I remember correctly,
it's like January nineteenth every year where the most number
of people drop off their new habits. And it's it's
just predictable because of that reason. Like you you get
really excited and then it just.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
My overrider always was no matter. It's like it's, you know,
whatever the sport is, whatever the exercise is, like it
was always mouth Luther King Day, like MLKD. That's like
right around there is to break even point. Like if
you hang around after that, you're probably gonna be here
for a while. Yep. But you just see so many
people out the first couple of weeks. Just that's it
totally goes hard. Man, it sucks.

Speaker 10 (47:29):
It is hard because you know, one it's changed too.
It's a it's a great time of the year because
it's a new start in new beginnings, and they've actually
done studies on that as far as like beginning of
a week, beginning of a month, that's when you want
to start a new habit, or the beginning of a
year as well.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
It just it feels like a new berth for you.

Speaker 10 (47:44):
But it is hard because it's changed ultimately, and our
bodies and our minds don't like change. So you know,
setting that up for success is the most important.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
And it takes, by the way, how long to develop
for something to become a habit from a pattern to
become a habit? Yea, it depends who you read.

Speaker 10 (47:57):
It's it's thirty days, ninety days, I mean, it all varies,
but at least a month, if not three, to really
make it a true habit is what I've what I've seen.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Damn, I'm damn you're going on fifty years, so I'm
trying to get stuck distance have it well, Akind've been
trying to get it to change, and there's always tomorrow, Scott.
All right, So you hear about you know, the guidelines
for exercise, right, it's always been like I was, one
hundred and fifty minutes a week, but that all depends
on your age too, and a whole bunch of other factors,
so it's never good just to take that one thing.

Speaker 10 (48:25):
Yeah, it's one hundred and fifty is like the golden
number that everyone quotes, but it's kind of all over
the place, and I'm sure that'll change in a year
or two, and you know, like every other recommendation changes
in health and wellness and everything. So but I mean
long and short is it is important and not just
a little bit here and there. But that's really where
it's kind of the study and these studies come from

(48:46):
as far as a little bit of activity, all.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Right, el'se talk about that that this is about short
bursts of activity, which means what so short bursts.

Speaker 10 (48:53):
Can be anywhere between thirty seconds and you know, two
to four minutes, so a little bit at a time,
a few time times a day, and that's where the
studies are coming from. That's where you know, thinking about it.
I went on a hike last weekend. It was like
forty five degrees, which was lovely, and I could do
three and a half miles and it was totally comfortable.
But this weekend, you know what's coming. I mean, I

(49:15):
think I just saw negative one for a low.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yeah, it's gonna be cold, yes, bitterally cold. You're not
doing anthing outside.

Speaker 10 (49:20):
You're not doing anything outside. So getting seven thousand steps,
you know it's not ten thousand anymore. You can do
seven thousand, seven thousand steps sick. That's like three and
a half miles, And so no, one's not many people
are going to be able to even do that, even
consider it, right, And so what's the alternate? I think
when I when I think about the seven thousand steps cold,
it seems intimidating. Three and a half miles walking a

(49:42):
day is a lot. So I think my brain subconsciously says, well,
I can't do three and a half. I won't do
any at all. And that's where this whole burst of
exercise comes from.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Gotcha. So its like, well, if you get you know,
you're even sixty minutes of exercise. Let's say in a
work way, you should you could break that up into
ten minutes here, five minutes here, eight minutes there. There's
some validity that the studies, there's some validity.

Speaker 10 (50:08):
And so the long and short is if you can
get your you know, lifting exercise and these little short
bursts burst on, that is the optimal. Okay, if you
get nothing done, obviously, that's the complete other end of
the spectrum. And in between is you know, are are
the short bursts okay? Or is just the lifts okay?

(50:28):
Which one's better for you? And that's kind of in debate.
But the way I see it is if you're lifting
three times a day, doing some sort of strength training
on the other days, as long as you're staying active,
and that's that's the real question of what what does
that look like? And that's what we'll talk about too.
If you can do that, that's the optimal thing. Get
one hundred and fifty minutes maybe in at the gym

(50:48):
if you can. But if you can or if you can't,
do these movement things that can even help. And it's
a little bit that that does a lot of difference. Yeah,
So like what, for example, would that be. Is it
just like every day life walking up the stairs instead
of the elevator, that kind of stuff. It can be,
so you can you can do steps alone. What they're
saying again, this is like thirty seconds to two minutes,
So it's not a it's not a huge amount of time.

(51:11):
It's not a tremendous amount of effort. And either a
lot of people can do this. So you really want
to get your heart rate up to like eighty percent
of your maximal So yeah, you're talking about maybe like
one thirty to one fifty beats per minute, and you're
going to be actually healthier for it.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
So what does that look like?

Speaker 10 (51:28):
Thirty seconds to two minutes of push ups and you
don't have to go all the all the way to
the grounds.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
I know a lot of people have trouble with push ups, but.

Speaker 10 (51:34):
You can just lean up against a wall and push
yourself back with your knees down or whatever, or put
your knees down, or you know, lean up against the
counter and just push yourself up from there from a
diagonal ten to twenty of those in your golden you're
good if you do a chair, a wall sit for example.
So just like, act like there's a seat below you,
but there's not. Lean your back up against the wall.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Hold that.

Speaker 10 (51:55):
I mean that every second. It feels like a minute
when you do that. But if you do, you know,
fifteen to twenty seconds of that, that's also good again
a few times a day and it adds up. And
then you know, another thing you could do is just
air squats, so you know, acting like there's a chair
below you, you know, squatting down, standing up and doing
that fifteen twenty times in a row or to two

(52:17):
sets of ten real quick.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
That'll get the job done. As far as these studies go,
you don't need a gym and a trainer and everything else.
You could just do this as you see fit for
this stuff.

Speaker 10 (52:25):
So they've given it a cute name, which is exercise snacking,
which I fully approve of, okay, because I like snacking,
and this is just the healthier version of it, I guess.
But it's it's also known as VILPA, which is, let
me see if I can get it right, vigorous intermittent
lifestyle Physical electivity.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Lord. Yeah, so we'll just call it exercise snacking as is.
It sort of like the low level hit training basically
high intent.

Speaker 10 (52:50):
That's exactly a perfect way to put stuff. Yeah, it's
like low level hit. But the studies are actually pretty
remarkable as far as the benefits of it. Long and
short is, they did a study and it was it
wasn't a small study, but it was in the UK
twenty two thousand people and what they found was over
an eight year time span, basically a fifty percent reduction immortality.

(53:13):
And so you know, half of people that did this,
or if you did this work versus people that were
completely sedentary didn't move at all, fifty percent chance less
of dying, so half you cut your rate of by half.
And that also goes for major cardiac events so like
heart attack, strokes, and that all goes together because of

(53:34):
the benefits you see from this kind of really quick stuff. Again,
just a few minutes a day makes a huge difference,
especially if you're completely sedentary. Usually if you have a
desk job nine to five, you're too tired at the
end of the day and you don't do much. This
is who it benefits the most, but it benefits everybody.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
And I think there's like a lot of conflicting knowledge. Again.
Sanjay Shev Cremani in the show is a resident emergency
room doctor. But also we're talking health and fitness on
the show on Thursday mornings at this time. In this regard,
you look at it going, all right, is it getting
the heart rate up? Because you know, if you're doing
resistance training, which you know, lifting whatever, you're generally not
getting your heart rate up all that much. Does that
all count the same?

Speaker 10 (54:12):
So it works a little bit differently, and so you
know it's muscles versus the rest of your body. So
lifting will work the muscles, but you know your heart
as well. But the way I like to think of
it as strength training helps you live better and then
cardiac cardio training helps you live longer. That's an overly
simplistic way to put it and makes sense. You know,

(54:33):
there's a lot of overlap, but together their best. But
if you can choose one, you know you can you
can do that. The long and short is is that
this is important. It's important to move around in addition
to your strength training. We always talk about movement is medicine,
but it's actually come across in the papers and so

(54:54):
the way they think this works and the current thought
is threefold. So what are the three main things cause
heart attacks, high blood pressure, highcholesterol, diabetes, and so doing
this kind of activity, short bursts at a time helps
all three.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Gotcha, Well, so does the medicine that we have for that.
So I need to do any of this or just
take more meds.

Speaker 10 (55:16):
That is a personal decision, son, I personally like, if
I don't have to take medicine, I'd love to not
take medicine. They have their time and their place. But
if we can do stuff that can save us both
money and putting medications into our body that we may
not need, the better as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Yeah, tervis, satin's and eminem's go well and well together
just makes a mess. Yeah, just don't get at It's
fine now. Yeah, it is this kind of like the
term is called functional training, which is maybe not a
new thing, but basically, you know some of the moves
that guys make in a gym. You look atky am,
I really gonna need to, you know, flex my ear
lobes for example, when in fact, you know, I just

(55:54):
don't want to hurt myself putting this box on top
of a high shelf and then be out of commission
for a few you know what I'm talking about exactly.

Speaker 10 (56:01):
It's very much a why thing, like why am I
doing this? Which is important to us at our gym
as far as making sure you're doing the things that
help you, you know, create a life that you love.
And so what are the things that you'd love to
do thirty years from now? It's hard for our brains
to think about that. We like to think about the
here and now, if not the yesterday, but thinking about

(56:22):
where we want to be, whether it be for our kids,
our grandkids, or our family when we grow up. You know,
what kind of lifestyle do you want to live right now?
You know, it was just three days ago I was
stretching my arms above my head and all of a sudden,
I tweaked my back like I literally just existing. I
hurt myself, which unfortunate, but I think that actually kind

(56:44):
of plays into that sedentary stuff. I've been not so
mobile in the last couple of weeks, and that you know,
it happens to everybody, it happens to me.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yeah, yeah, fairly, I think.

Speaker 10 (56:54):
And still even then we can hurt ourselves, so it's
best to keep it mobile again, even if it's just
a little a little amount per day.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Why does it hurts the older you get, the longer
it takes to recover. It's the same thing, right, It's like,
for example, a couple of weeks ago, I put my
wife had knee surgery, so I'm like, wow, I put
the chair hike toilets and I bought some nice one
piece toilets. I'm like, and okay, this is you know,
for the old age, and put them in our house
and I put intil three and my back was killing

(57:23):
me for a week. I could turn my head. I'm like,
what the hell? I do this all the time, and
all of a sudden, now just like the way to
picking those up and do it myself is you know,
you recover usually pretty quickly, and now you can't do
that at all.

Speaker 10 (57:35):
Yeah, our bodies are really forgiving when we're twenty and thirty,
both when it comes to eating and exercise, and once
we hit you know, the thirties, that things just take
longer to recover.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
It's just the way the.

Speaker 10 (57:46):
Cells work is the way all the partis exactly. It's
it's all working differently, and we didn't have to live
this long back in the day, like when we were cavemen.
You know, our purpose was to live to probably twenty
five and thirty, and then you know now that we're
living triple that things will break down.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Because you're an old man for it. You're an old man.
It's probably dead by thirty. Is like old age in
the back in the day. I get Fortunately, I'm only
twenty three. Yeah, I wish right, which is like when
you see a toddler throw a hissy fit and roll
and contort their body on the ground and put their
head behind their knee cap. You're like, oh my god,
you're gonna tear your a cl Now you're not. No,

(58:24):
they're made of rubber. Yeah, you're made of rubber. At
that fast, all right, So get your exercise in again.
You can do it in a short bursts throughout the day.
It's probably the best way to do it, like eating right,
if you have small meals throughout the day. This is
exercise snacking.

Speaker 10 (58:35):
It's what small amounts, don't you know? You don't have
to overdo it so you don't have to go to
it like a pain level. And then the last part
is that the really cool part about this stuff, the
VILPA or exercise snacking, is they found that there was
an eighty percent adherence for people that did this as
opposed to any other training regiment. Right, like you just
said it was work New Year's stuff, it all falls off.

(58:58):
I think there's only like fifteen percentage here comes to
New Year's resolutions eighty percent because it's it's doable, I
would I would recommend, though, if you're gonna do something,
tie it into something you're already doing. If you're like
you mentioned the stairs, Uh, go up the stairs a
little foster, got that heart rate up. If you're you know,
going to the fridge for a snack, for example, that's

(59:19):
the time. Maybe say I'll do twenty counter push ups
right now, you know, just get those in every couple
hours if you're if you're at work or at the
end of a meeting, just do ten quick air squads.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
If you've every hour, going to go in the bathroom
office would probably be better than the middle of the
or just get the whole office a joint make it
a group activity. That's that they've also found that Japanese
workplace or something their calisthetics in the morning. He's son
Jay Sheva Cramani's our ear doctor, also a health fitness
We talk all on Thursday night I appreciate you, buddy. Thanks.
You got to get news in the next seven hundred W.

Speaker 6 (59:50):
You want to be American, it's got a flung show
on seven hundred w LW.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Was Rodney Hiddon legally insane at the time he took
this car in deliberately and intentionally plowed into Deputy Larry
Henderson in front of you c killing him instantly in
a reaction, of course, to his son Ryan getting shot
and justifiably sold by Cincinnati police brandishing the firearm. Horrible
story and probably one of the stories, no doubt, of

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the decade. And it's just a terrible thing. But yesterday
in court, Rodney Hitton had a confidence hearing. He had
a hearing yesterday and they had an expert testify for
the defense here court appointed psychiatrist with their news experience,
saying that he meets Ohio law requirements to take the
death penalty off of consideration because he was diagnosed with

(01:00:41):
bipolar order bipolar disorder rather two years ago and prescribed
antipsychotic medication. Is that enough for him to escape what
we consider the ultimate justice, and that is the death
penal in Ohio for deliberately murdering Larry Henderson on the
show once again is attorney Jason Phillibaum, former Commy prosecutor,
now in private practice and defense. Jason, welcome back. How

(01:01:02):
you doing, good morning? Doing well? Thank you. Yeah, it's
a topic we're going to talk about a lot because
we hear about NNGRI as you call it in the profession,
not guilty for reason of insanity, And yesterday's hearing was
just that it was kind of preliminary, right, So take
us through what happened yesterday and you hear this information.
Oh my god. There you had an expert testify that

(01:01:24):
he has a mental issue and he may go to
prison the rest of his life, but he won't face
the death penalty. That was just a very small sample
of the experts that are going to testify. Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:01:35):
Essentially, your question is about two weeks long when they
trained the death penalty attorneys to get ready for a
death penalty case. Because there's three stages of the case,
and we're in stage one where the judge is trying
to decide what's allowed the plea or is he going
to trial things of that nature. So her first question

(01:01:56):
in that first prong is is he competent? To stand trial.
Does he know what's going on? Essentially, the second question
is is the defense able to present a plea not
guilty by reason of insanity? Is there enough information out
there that will allow the defense to ask, you know,
tell that to the jury. And the third question she's

(01:02:19):
going to be answering before the trial starts. Is the
state eligible to apply to death fun league. And so
to get to your first question, is he confident? I
think that she's going to find him confident, you know,
just you know, the the allegation is he kind of
lost his mind that day, but the overall allegation hasn't
been he doesn't know what's going on. So I think

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at the end of the day she's going to find
him confident. But then that leads to the second question
is is the not guilty by reason of the sanity
and to be allowed to be presented in front of
the jury.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
And there are four mental illnesses that in Ohio can
remove the death penalty eligibility statute, so schizophrenia, schitzo effective disorder,
dilusional disorder, and bipolar disorder. So that is definitely a
bonafid illness that would exempt him from the death penalty. However,
he had a quarter pointed psychiatrist saying he met the requirements.

(01:03:13):
As we pointed out, how much weight does a judge
typically give to someone and I'm assuming that that person
is neutral because it's court appointed. Correct.

Speaker 11 (01:03:21):
Yes, Essentially, they do a quarter pointed psychologist to give
an analysis and then if one party doesn't like it,
they go get their own effort, and then typically the
other party will then go get another expert. And that's
what you had in this case. Now, what we didn't
see was the second prong of that question, because that's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Going to be sort of a hearing that's set up
for January.

Speaker 11 (01:03:45):
But is he eligible to face the death punty under
Hyle's new law that says, if you have one of
those four mental health issues, you may not be eligible
for the death pune. There is the second prong there,
and that says, is the ill them significantly impairing their
ability to conform to the law or essentially know the

(01:04:05):
wrongfulness of their conduct. So, in other words, if you
have bipolar disorder, that doesn't necessarily say you can't be
put to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Death for a crime.

Speaker 11 (01:04:14):
You have to have bipolar disorder and it has to
be significant and it has to incur and so on.
So I think all she did yesterday and she specifically
said that all I'm talking about is Prong one. Yes,
I think he needs these, these the criteria for bipolar disorder.
She did not get into the Prong two yet, which

(01:04:34):
I think is going to be a January hearing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Yeah. Yeah, And you look at that and go, okay, well,
how much is that documented medical history matter versus the
question whether he was in acute psychiatric crisis at the
moment he decided to kill Deputy Henderson.

Speaker 11 (01:04:49):
Yeah, And I think I personally think that should be
an issue left up to the jury, and I think
that's what you're going to see here. But so these
preliminary hearings are basically her the judge, saying, I'm going
to allow the jury to hear and see this, and
I'm going to allow the jury to decide that. That's
all she's deciding right now. Then we get to a
trial and then they determine whether he's guilty or not

(01:05:09):
guilty by reason of insanity. If he's not guilty by
reason of infanity, case is over. But if he's found guilty,
then they get to the death penalty phase, and at
that point, he's going to argue he's not eligible, and
the defense is going to argue that he has enough
mitigating factors that it should be facing the death finely.

(01:05:29):
And so I think the biggest question she's going to
have to answer between now and the trial is is
she going to allow the jury to hear the death
penalty argument? And will she allow the jury to consider that.
I think that's going to be the biggest question mark
between now and the trial.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
How much more evidence will judge Lober's here to make
their mind up on that.

Speaker 11 (01:05:49):
She's going to hear the psychologists from the States, and
then she's going to probably hear the third psychologists that's
the defense personally hired as well, So she's going to
hear from all three. But this sort of gets me
to the example of NFL football. You know, you've seen
you watch games on Sunday, there's a fumble, someone runs
it back to the you know, end zone, and here

(01:06:10):
it is the referee blew the whistle dead right, So
they've been basically saying let it, let it play out,
and then if if you're wrong about the fumble, instant
replay can correct it. But if you blow the whistle
dead too early, then you can't you can't fix that,
And so I think what ultimately she'll do is she'll
probably let the jury decide everything because if she's wrong

(01:06:31):
about that, if she's wrong and it should have never
went to the jury, the Quarter of Appeals can fix
it through replay. But if she cuts it off now,
the death kind of is off the table forever.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
You can't bring that back later.

Speaker 11 (01:06:43):
So I'm guessing she's going to air on the side
of unless there's something, you know, across the board everyone
agrees on, I'm going to allow the court to or
the jury to hear the deskboy argument.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Our legal expert Chason Phillibaum on the show talking about
Roddy Hinton, your father Hitton, who struck and killed intentionally.
It appears Deputy Larry Henderson, and there's no doubt about
it that this is the guy and he did what
he did. But now claiming that he has a significant
defense not guilty by reason of insanity is the a
plea he changed it to yesterday a court appointed psychiatrists.

(01:07:17):
So someone allegedly neutral sits down and analyzes him and says, yes,
he suffers from bipolar disorder, and that is a one
of the four ways you can get out of the
death penalty, not a life sentence, but the death penalty.
But again, as Jason pointed out, it's a two pronged
test here. Does he have a serious mental illness at
the time of defense past mental state is what that's called,

(01:07:37):
And the answer, of course would be yes. The second
phase of that, though, and this is the difficult hurdle
for the defense, is his compety to san trial maining.
Does he understand the proceedings against him? Can he assist
his counsel and defense? And that's the threshold question right there. Okay,
we established that he suffers from the disorder, do we
have different experts coming and or is it up to

(01:07:59):
the judge to discuss or talk to the defend in
this case to determine whether or not he understands what's
happening right now, because one could make a case it
seem like he appears that he does.

Speaker 11 (01:08:11):
Yeah, and right now there's a gag order essentially where
the judge is not going to let these reports out
till they're in open court. And so what you heard
the doctor say yesterday, I think she specifically said, I
am only focused on the first prong, Does he need
to die?

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Not the criteria?

Speaker 8 (01:08:28):
And yes he does.

Speaker 11 (01:08:30):
She did not talk about the second prong yet, which
is does it significantly impair his ability to understand the
difference between right and wrong? Now, again that's the paraphrasing,
but that's what she has to show. And thinking that's
the January hearing, I think they're coming back the first
week of January. You're going to hear all the experts
talk about that. So I think the judge is going

(01:08:51):
to decide that he's competent. I don't think there's really
any strong evidence that he's not. Confidence as being trial,
I think the judge, based on this expert, is going
to allow the jury to consider not guilty by reason
of insanity, and I think that's fair he let the
jury beside that. But I also think what's going to
be telling, and we don't know the answer yet, is

(01:09:13):
do all three of the experts agree that he has,
you know, bipolar disorder, Because I'm guessing they do, that's
just a guess, but they probably all disagree on whether
or not that is a serious or significant impairment for him.
You know, there's people diagnosed with bipool or disorder every day,
but that's not a significant impairment. And I think that's

(01:09:36):
what the main hearing is going to be in January
is does it rise to the level that it's so
significant he didn't know what was going on?

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Yeah, I have the NNGRII defense. But have you ever
been around I know you've read people this before, but
have you ever been around somebody that literally suffered from
this disorder, but at the same time also did not understand
or could contribute to their own defense that legally, literally
they were insane and therefore they couldn't be held to
the capital murder. Have you been around someone like that?

(01:10:05):
I just wondering how that presents itself in the court
of law. Are they speaking in tongues or just simply
not understanding what's going on?

Speaker 11 (01:10:12):
They just don't understand. I mean, I've had a few
defendants over a course of the time that's been found
not competence to stand trial. That just means they don't
understand who's who. They don't understand the difference between the
judges and the prosecutors and the defense counsel. They don't
understand essentially laws. They just don't get it. Imagine like

(01:10:33):
trying to explain this to a three or four year old,
that's the best way to describe it. They might be
able to talk, but they have no idea what a
court is and what trial is and things of that nature.
And so essentially what the order would be there is
they send you to a mens hospital to restore your competency. Basically,

(01:10:53):
they try to educate you, they try to help you,
they try to give you counseling, medication. Can they get
you back to the point where you understand and if
if there's a period of tend where they can restore you,
then you go back to the court and get a trial.
But if after a certain period of time six months,
a year, whatever the statute is, that's when they say,

(01:11:15):
well you're just not confident to stay a trial.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Cases over.

Speaker 11 (01:11:19):
So I've seen that before and I think the best
way to describe it is, you know, try talking to
a four year old about court and that's what it's
like to someone that has a severe mental illness.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Yeah, Jason Phillibum on that, that's fascinating that you probably
pretty know pretty much right away. Is it impossible to
fake your way through that?

Speaker 11 (01:11:40):
That's what experts are good at They will catch someone
that tries to fake them because they ask you one
hundred questions in so many different ways. That's what these
tests are designed. And it's not just one psychologist has
come up with it. It's been thirty years in the making,
so you know they will they will hopefully catch the
person that tries to do it. Now, I'm sure if
you have, you know, Hollywood actor doing their thing, maybe

(01:12:03):
they might be able to pull someone. But the average
person out there on the street trying to get out
of a trial is not going to fool with psychology.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Yeah. Yeah, you'd have to be pretty well studied or
go into a different character entirely for that to happen.
It's a possibility. It may have happened in the past,
but now Kaiser SoSE is the last person I think
I've seen it right be able to pull that one.
Kevin Spacey's character, he's.

Speaker 8 (01:12:24):
Exactly what I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's Hollywood though, that's
not real life. The Kaiser defense here, if you pull
that one off, you deserve to get out of get
out of your your sentence. I don't think that's going
to happen for this guy. How much is the fact
that everything he did was premeditated? The fact that Roddery
Hinton drove around for a period of time before selecting
Deputy Henderson to murder, that has to contribute to this

(01:12:48):
as well, doesn't it.

Speaker 11 (01:12:49):
Absolutely? And that's what the state's going to argue. If
you premeditate, if you plan, if you basically go around
and set up your crime, then it did not significantly
impair your ability to function. And so there's an argument
by the premeditation aspect that you weren't insane.

Speaker 8 (01:13:09):
Now, I think what the defense.

Speaker 11 (01:13:10):
Is going to argue is he drove around and he
was thinking about it and then he just had a
sudden burst of I can't take this anymore, and so
I think that's what they're going to try to argue.
But that you know, I was told back in law school,
when it comes to ngri, you run, you're done. That
was the phrase that came out in a case a
long time ago, which the moment you start planning or

(01:13:33):
the moment you run, you kind of show that you
know what's right and wrong right because you've planned it,
or you run away from it. So I think that's
what that's what's going to probably be the big, big
decision maker in the case is the fact that this
was premeditated.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Grief and emotional distress and extreme emotional reaction for that
matter to your son's death does not indicate serious mental
illness or the fact that you can't comprehend right from wrong.

Speaker 11 (01:13:58):
Right if you were watching the video at the moment
and then attack the officer in a room, that would
be a much different situation than getting in a car
and driving around and looking for your right candidate. I mean,
that's what the state's going to argue.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
But that will try to throw everything they can. I
guess at the judge and jury if that's the case,
to decide whether or not he this mental illness that
he suffers from bipolar disorder, which is a you know,
I mean, it's fairly common diagnosis for sure, But did
it impact his decisions he made that day? And also,
more importantly, does he know right from wrong? And just
running seems to indicate that he does. It should be

(01:14:32):
fairly open and shut. I would think right, just based.

Speaker 11 (01:14:34):
On that, yeah, I would think that you know, from
the standpoint, I mean again, I always tell people you
don't know what's going on. So you see the full
evidence at the trial, but you know, based on what
we've read so far, I would think the jury would
have a little easier decision on the guilt versus not
guilty by reason insanity. I think this case is all
going to hinge on though, whether the judge allows the

(01:14:56):
death memvie. If she does, what will the jury think,
Because there's a lot of argument for the defense to
argue there's enough mitigation here that he shouldn't be put
to death for this. And you have such an extreme
hostile act of taking out a law enforcement officer that
wasn't even involved, and compare that to someone that has
this mental health issue. And that's going to be the

(01:15:18):
struggle the jury has to decide, is should I put
that person to death? The crime is so horrendous. The
preliminary answer is yes, But then is his mental health
issue so mitigating that we put him in prison for.

Speaker 8 (01:15:31):
Life instead of death.

Speaker 11 (01:15:32):
That's going to be the thing that I think is
going to be the hardest decision the jury is going
to have to wrestle.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
With, right, you know, not on that note, whether he
was taking his medicaid, if he was off his meds.
Let's hey didn't decide to take medication that day. Does
that help the defense or does it not matter simply
because you know you're on it now, you know right
from wrong and your cares being managed right now. Does
that impact us at all?

Speaker 11 (01:15:55):
It's going to be one of the things that both
sides argue. It's like, it's like I was drunk, I
didn't mean to kill the person when I crashed into him.
And the answer to that is, but you intentionally drank
alcohol and then got into a car, And so the
same argument is going to be made he intentionally did
not take his medicine. I mean, if it's a situation
where you've got such a severe issue, you've got to

(01:16:17):
take the medicine, and you forgot that morning. That's one
thing that if you go off for a period of time,
that's an intentional decision that the state's going to argue,
and of course the defense is going to argue the
counter argument. But that's again something that the jury's going
to have to wrestle with.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
All right. He is a defense attorney, Jason Philibaum and
a private practice Unison Philibaum Law Firm, former prosecutor. Interesting
not reason not guilty reason in sanity. It's the plea
from Ryny Hidding. And we'll find out in January if
the judge agrees. Jason all the best. Thanks for the insight.
I appreciate you. I appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (01:16:48):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
I take care. We've got to get a news update
in here momentarily on the big one seven hundred ww
and when we return, stopped up my wife a little bit.
She's on the men from the knee surgery, because that's
what we Sloans do. We just have surgery all the time.
Sloani here seven hundred called the bells. Do you hear
the bells? It could only mean one thing.

Speaker 6 (01:17:10):
It's real estate time with my shell Sloan Remax, time
agent and proud proprietor of Sloan sells Homes dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Heed her words.

Speaker 6 (01:17:19):
Or face her wrath on seven hundred WL to what's
going on?

Speaker 12 (01:17:27):
Can you hear it? Can you hear that squeaky sound?

Speaker 11 (01:17:30):
Clark?

Speaker 12 (01:17:30):
I'm serious, there's something in the.

Speaker 7 (01:17:34):
Wall, Oh my god, fluttering, it's squeaking.

Speaker 12 (01:17:38):
It's fluttering and wall to get home right now.

Speaker 9 (01:17:44):
You got into the mushrooms again, didn't you. No, But
there's something like a like a like a like a
pig in the truffle you found she found the mushrooms.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
She's high af at eleven thirty this morning. Awesome.

Speaker 12 (01:17:58):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, there is some of course, Okay,
so I can hear it right, there's some scratching in
the wall. I'm sure it's probably a little mouse.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Or something gonna snow outside.

Speaker 12 (01:18:08):
Wants to come out from the garage, but I think
it's in the walls. Every time I get close, it's
quiet and it doesn't move. But then I heard a
fluttering like it might be a bird, so I can
Bandit are the best guard dog that ever was is
just sleeping in the corner and could absolutely care. We

(01:18:28):
are being invaded by.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Well it is that time of year.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 12 (01:18:36):
Okay, uh yeah, we got it. We have a creature
and it's driving me nuts. I'm working from home today
because it's cold outside and I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Where is is it in the bedroom?

Speaker 7 (01:18:48):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Where?

Speaker 12 (01:18:49):
No? No, no, So I went to take Bandit out
for a walk and I it's somewhere between the dining room,
the laundry room and the garage. And I'm thinking maybe
something got stuck in the dryer vent. But you have
a new like lid on.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
That, right, Yeah, new lidy lid.

Speaker 12 (01:19:16):
I don't know. But the animals are coming in.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
And yeah, just the one.

Speaker 12 (01:19:23):
I don't know, But man, it doesn't seem to give
a straight up.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
That's got to be a brave mouse. Because I was
thought I was near the bedroom. I thought, you know,
with the snoring in there, that whatever or drug induced
home issues? Are you shure? I'm not buying it. I
just think it's the narcotics left over from your knee surgery.
I think you're just high.

Speaker 12 (01:19:43):
I have been narcotic free for almost a week.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Right, you think I'm actually going to get home in
the first order? Business to be looking to find a
mouse in a wall somewhere. Yes, yeah, I'll figure it out.

Speaker 12 (01:19:54):
It's because I'm going to torment you until.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Although I have a buddy. I have a buddy that
he had mouse and mice and how whatever. He's like, okay,
they're they're finding some poop over and like, okay, we
got some mousk moscat in somewhere called extremity. It comes
over and goes to the attic and literally finds an
entire colony. Uh, to the point where sixteen dollars later.

Speaker 12 (01:20:17):
Yeah, yeah, I've heard. I've actually been in my business,
you know, which is actually real estate during home inspections.
We've seen bird messs literally the size of a car
of ew beetle that is messing and growing in there.

(01:20:38):
We've seen raccoons and they can make an awful thanky mess.
Yeah you know, bird mice for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
And yeah, so so we have a problem, sir, Okay,
I'm gonna put that at the bottom of the list
of things I have to do today. The mouse will
be fine, it'll be fine. Well, we'll get through this somehow.

Speaker 12 (01:20:58):
Will be fine if he calls his little self in
through an outlet or something, and then he's in here
and then it's still sleeping, and I'm like, you should
see him.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Oh, I saved it. I never took a picture of
it too. At my workshop, a mouse was crawling through
it did just what you said. I think he was
trying to get in the out He's like, because I
have the covers off because I still have work to
do in there. And the mouse literally is electrocuted to
the to the outlet as cool as hell. No that
oh he got it fast. He got it quick.

Speaker 12 (01:21:28):
Okay, as long as it was it was like a trap.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
The mouse tried to plead not guilty by reason of insanity.
That judge would not hear it, and he was immediately.

Speaker 12 (01:21:36):
Actually, so I'm nice. Are just living there in life,
right and I'm not ANSI mouse. I will get the
trapped that actually won't kill them. They get trapped inside,
and then you have to like deliver them at least
a mile away, or somehow they find their way back

(01:21:56):
in here.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
You know that's a park or.

Speaker 12 (01:21:59):
Something, and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
You really are too. You'll drive two miles away to
release the mouse back in the wild that promptly gets
eaten by something else.

Speaker 12 (01:22:07):
Well that's fine, that's nature. But as long as I
didn't kill it, oh my little so I think, whatever's
in my walls right now, in the walls of my
brain right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Now, get the little trap. See how it works out. Well,
on the other side of the wall, a good place
for them. That's what the walls there are.

Speaker 12 (01:22:27):
I mean, if I thought maybe they were, it was
in the garage, and I'm fine with that because you
know that happens.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Well, we'll figure it out. It's fine. We're getting three
to five to twenty inches of snow tomorrow. We got
to prepare for that. We got to prepare for that.
Let's talk a little real well, segue from mice to
real estate, but it's largely the same thing. Everybody's got
a couple of mons. It's that time of year. You're
gonna have some mice. And you know, it takes us
a hole the size of a dime for one to
get through. There's no way you're going to be able to,
you know, patch every hole in your house for that.

(01:22:56):
Maybe you can find an area where you know there's
an old plumbing or h AC system and they didn't
you know, fill the hole properly or something like that,
and yeah, you can spot those for sure. Or maybe
there's culking or something that's given away in a corner,
all tiny spots like that's tough because oose things can
literally scale a skyscraper. Nonetheless, I know you wanted to.
I think it's good news here, the Hamlin County real

(01:23:17):
estate transfer tax increase. It was going to cost people
more money in Hamlin County. That's been scubbled, right, it is,
I mean so right.

Speaker 12 (01:23:24):
We do have some real news, some nuggets of news
to share with you today. There has been some action
in the Hamilton County real estate transfer tax increase that
was in the budget. It has been nixed. So a
group of the realtor Alliance of Greators, Cincinnati, landlord lenders, investors,

(01:23:47):
the entire real estate community really came out against this,
saying it's going to be harmful to homeowners, buyers, builders,
small landlords, everybody because the cost of this transfer tax
is going to be the highest in the area. I mean,
they were trying to increase it, and it's one of
those if I would say there's a hidden fee when

(01:24:09):
you sell your home, it's the transfer tax. It's four
dollars per thousand of the house that you sell, so
you know it can add up pretty quickly. And you
have no idea as a seller that you are having
to pay this transfer tax unless you have a good
real estate agent who's going to sell you in advance.

(01:24:30):
There's not a darn thing I can do about it,
you know, I just tell you, I just give you
the information and know that that's going to come out
in the end of your proceeds, which is not good.
And there is also some round of applause to Commissioner.
Commissioner Eli Herise because she has been the sad sass

(01:24:52):
voice of reason on this one and oppositions to be increased. Yeah,
to do an awesome job. So that was that nugget.
So for now, Hamilton County is going to stay still
one of the higher ones. Right, Hamilton and Claremont County
are four dollars per thousand in a transfer tax. Warren

(01:25:13):
County and Butler County are three dollars per thousand when
you sell your house. So if you're planning to sell
your house, talk to your real estate agent about that.
It's not just your regular property taxes that you have
to pay at closing. Yeah, you have to pay the
transfer tax as well.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
All right. So yeah, so the three dollars per hundred
thousand dollars, yeah, per hundred.

Speaker 12 (01:25:31):
Right, per hundred, three dollars per hundred. So if it's
if it's a two hundred thousand dollars home, it's two
hundred times three dollars or four dollars.

Speaker 11 (01:25:41):
Whatever that is.

Speaker 8 (01:25:42):
Yeah, a couple hundred bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
But again, it all adds up, does add up.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
There's all those fees that get add It's like a
CBS receipt when you're buying a house, for God's sakes,
it's just still one thing after another after another. After
all right, well that's good news right there, all right,
from mice to what else we have?

Speaker 12 (01:25:57):
The FAG yesterday cut rates for the third time and
twenty five interestingly, so it's like a group of I
don't know people at the FED that vote on this,
whether or not to cut the rates, increase the rates,
do whatever. So it's on a nationwide level, right, and

(01:26:18):
not everybody's in agreement that just keeping and cutting the
rates is going to be the best thing for our economy.
And so it was a split vote, and it sort
of reveals there's a little bit of a chink in
the armor there that there's a possibility that, you know,
just lowering the FED rate is not going to help
our economy overall. We have so many other factors inflation

(01:26:43):
and unemployment and your mortgage rates and your rates on
your on your credit cards as well, so you know,
all of this is taken into consideration. It's not the
it's not an equal thing. And that's the one again,
this is sort of one of those things that people
don't talk enough about. When the Fed cuts the rate,

(01:27:08):
It doesn't mean automatically that your mortgage rate is going
to be lowered. It's just that's that's not the way
it works, or it doesn't mean that any future mortgage
rates are going to automatically be lowered. As a matter
of fact, that we're the course of the last week,
mortgage rates have inched up just a little bit. So
right now they're around six and a quarter, which is

(01:27:29):
still pretty in my opinion, it's still pretty good. Anything
under seven, anything under six and a half is what
I would considered to be fair. Is it the three
percent of days old days gone by?

Speaker 5 (01:27:43):
No, it's not.

Speaker 12 (01:27:44):
But we're never going to see three percent mortgage rate again.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Stop it don't it's not coming back. But these are
good times. These are good times.

Speaker 5 (01:27:53):
It is.

Speaker 12 (01:27:54):
It is decent. I mean it's good now. Knowing that
if the mortgage rates go down, buyers have a little
litle bit more buying power, which is a good thing
as well. And right now we are seeing more inventory.
We're seeing more homes currently on the market, so we
have an inventory of about three months worth of inventory

(01:28:15):
based on the number of sales. So that means if
you're a buyer and I know this is salesy, but
if you are a buyer, now is a great time
to start to look yeah, because rates are moderate and
there are homes to their homes to look at. So
think about getting back into the market before spring, before
the rest of the world gets back in the market,

(01:28:35):
because I think that's that's.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
A good step to start to see a surge here. Okay, good, good,
good good. My wife Michelle from so long sales homes
dot Com open house show. I get the podcast for
the iHeartRadio app of course on YouTube as well, and
Remax time in Mainville. I will throw this out there too,
because we're expecting bitterly cold temperatures. The temperature will not
get out of the single digits for the game on Sunday.

(01:28:58):
If so, it'll be very very close, like maybe eleven degrees.
It's going to be absolutely frigid. And when we've seen
that kind of cold, uh, you see a lot of
problems pop up. I just want to put the shout
out here. If you have not done so already, today
would be the day before it starts to snow and
get colder. Is to make sure you take those hoses
if you have not yet from the side of your
house outdoor hoses and you have to take them off

(01:29:19):
even though you have a frost free faucet.

Speaker 8 (01:29:26):
Frozen, babe, that's not that cold out.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Yet, it's still what oh, I don't know. I mean,
I mean we're below freezing obviously too, but yeah, you
could still you can get those off. Very important because
if you haven't already. Yeah, I'm not saying you should
probably have done this fall, but just make sure you're
all caught up on that kind of stuff too. And
you know, if you don't have the heat in your house,
and maybe uh on the wet wall and that is
where the plumbing comes into the sink, like in the

(01:29:51):
kitchen for example. Usually that's a trouble spot because and
the wet wall is an outside If you have older home,
you don't have enough insulation in there. Make sure you
open those sink cabinets up and in this kind of
weather even and you know you're you live there long enough,
keep the fastest dripping. A little bit of flow will
help as well, just a slight drip. It's you may go,
I'm gonna run my water bill up, But it's a
lot cheaper than having a plumber.

Speaker 12 (01:30:11):
Come out to fix or I mean, it's just a
tiny little drip, just as flow as it keep it,
and having those cabinet doors open on the outside walls
really does make a huge difference. I'm also going to
suggest if you have any elderly people that live near you,
next to you, your next door neighbors or family members

(01:30:32):
or whatever, go check on them this weekend because it
is it's going to be cold, and if they're heating
their homes by the oven or whatever, stop it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
No, don't do that.

Speaker 12 (01:30:45):
It's dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
Yeah, well that's all right. Just be ready to go
because we're going to get that weather moving in. That's
how it's going to be. It's gonna get cold and
we're gonna have a lot of snow. So the other
thing too, I did see some rock. I was out
yesterday getting some stuff at the you know, the big
box home retailers. I was at low Is actually, and
there's a little bit of salt left, so you're in
good chip if you haven't got years.

Speaker 12 (01:31:04):
Yet, that's good. And again today's day right to get
your butt out there. If you need a shovel, get
on it. If you need some salt, And there's all
different kinds of salt. How much time do we have
to I actually have a little bit of a.

Speaker 8 (01:31:17):
Lip well, I I.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
What kind of salt do you would you prefer?

Speaker 5 (01:31:23):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
You're like a I like Kosher Kosher. It's out there
sprinkling sprinkler box of Morton's Kosher on the driveway.

Speaker 12 (01:31:32):
I'm kidding. That is actually the worst thing that you
can do because you're going to create pits and it's
not safe for your plants or your pets.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
So, I mean it's the cheapest, and you know, if
it's lightful, but you get a depreeze like this, you
need calcium chloride or magnesium chloride. Are the ones that
work below ten degrees, right?

Speaker 12 (01:31:51):
And you want to look at look at the label
a little bit again. If there's just not a lot
of choices, there's probably not a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
Get what you can. It's better than nothing because it's
going to help. I mean, if you get that heavy set,
it's gonna be a light snow. I think too. But
if you get that icing event, you want to lay
that down for max sure. It makes it easier to
get that stuff off off your driveway and walkways if
you pre treat it like the roadway. So there you go.
My wife Michelle sloan this and more via the podcast
on the iHeartRadio app that Slong saleshomes dot Com Openhouse

(01:32:19):
Show from your next time in Mainville. All the best,
love you, gotta go, gotta go. You have a great day.

Speaker 12 (01:32:25):
Okay, come get my this mouse burg whatever it is not.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Even anywhere in the list today, that is not on
my to do list. Make friends with it. Make friends
with it. The dog needs a friend, well, he's just.

Speaker 11 (01:32:40):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Pet mouse would be fine for him. It's something that
guess what, less things. I don't have to throw the
ball as much anymore if he has a pet mouse
as his best friend. It's like a Disney movie. Michelle
lean into that stuff, would you. Willy's on the way
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