12-17-25 Scott Sloan Show

Scott talks with Dean Clancy about what the American healthcare system really is and why we don't want to use the European model. Also Dr Michael Aziz explains how you can slow down your aging. Finally Michelle Schultz tells us what is going to happen to the tariff money.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Going to be an American idiot by Scott Film here
seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
So the House is not going to vote this week.

Speaker 3 (00:07):
And an extension to the Affordable Care Acts enhanced premium
subsidies that's going to lapse at the end of the
year unless something critical is done here don't look like it.
Moderate Republicans are squeezed against the mega contingent of the
Republican Party. So the moderates tried to put an extension together.
The House Rules Committee blocked that, uh, because they're trying
to attach that to the Geopece Healthcare plan, and that

(00:29):
plan does not include an extension for the twenty million
Americans who would be cut off by the end of
the year. It's some wonky political crap that's going on.
But Dean Clancy's here once again. He's a senior Health
policy fellow at Americans for a Prosperity at AFP.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Dean, welcome back. How you doing, I'm doing great. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
We can all agree that our healthcare system sucks. I
believe when you put it in this you put it
to me. The end product is it's just it's simply
not good. And we've talked about this in the past,
and you know the idea that subsidies are a great alternative.
I think it's more of a band aid patch. Why
can't moderates get this done? And what's the resistance from

(01:06):
the other side of the party here.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Well, this whole issue of the expiring extra Obamacare subsidies,
which has been you know, at the top of the
news now for months, has been driven by Democrats and
the press and looks on the left who smell an
opportunity to put Republicans on the defensive in twenty twenty

(01:31):
six and basically blame the high cost of healthcare on
the GOP, which is a pretty amazing thing to try
to do, since the high cost is really due to Obamacare,
which is a completely Democratic party creation. And now the
subsidies are going to expire on January once. Despite all

(01:53):
the drama the modern Republicans who wanted to extend the subsidies.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
We're never able to.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Solve some of the very simple practical problems, like how
do you extend the subsidies without extending all the fraud
and waste, the fake Social Security numbers, the phantom and rollees,
and all the problems that the extra subsidies fueled. I
think they realized they needed to do something, and they
put some token reforms in. They also never dealt with

(02:26):
the fact that the pro life community has said, well,
any extension has to add protections so that there's no
taxpayer funding of abortion, and this plan publicans basically just
ignored that, which that makes the bill a non starter
in Congress with all the pro life members. And then

(02:47):
you have a Speaker Johnson this week saying sure, I'll
let the House vote on an extension.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
But you do need to pay for it.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
You need to offset the cost. The cost is like
twenty five to thirty billion dollars with a bee every
single year that you extend the subsidies. That's a lot
of money. And moderate Republicans said, no, no, no, no,
we just want to extend the subsidies. We don't want
to pay for it. We'll Uncle Sam's credit card. So

(03:17):
they weren't serious in a sense, they were played by
the Democrats who have disingenuously pretended that they want to
continue the subsidies and prevent what they describe. I think
they exaggerate as some kind of premium increase of they
want an issue. They want to blame the failures of

(03:38):
Obamacare on the Republican Party, and the question is will
Republicans go along with that? So far it sounds like
Mike Johnson and John Thune in the Senate and the
other Republicans.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
Have they're falling for it. They're not, you know, it's.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Loosey in the football and they're not going to fall
for it this time.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
And on that, and we've talked about this in the past,
the fact of the matter is you're just you know,
it's a subsidy fest, is what it is. And if
you subsidize anything, you're just covering up the true cost.
You're giving people a coupon a voucher basically, which ingratiates
them with government and elected officials. Obviously, so politicians on
the left get reelect and elected for that. But it
doesn't solve the main issue, which is why is healthcare

(04:20):
so afford unaffordable in the first place for most people?
And that number is growing now. I did see some
surveys it said if you have private healthcare insurance, which
is the bulk of America, you seem to be pretty
happy with that. But the problem there and then lies
is the diminishing number of companies offering healthcare. I mean,
at some point the scale's going to tip the other way.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
What then, Well, you're absolutely right about that. The number
of companies employers offering healthcare has been shrinking under Obamacare.
It's been very gradual, more so recently. And actually the
Paragon Health Institute put out a paper recently where they

(04:58):
noted that if the subsidies are extended, the extra COVID
era money, it will actually accelerate the decline in small
businesses offering insurance to their employees. Small businesses are really
really hurt by the high cost of healthcare. They find
it hard to offer you know, coverage to their employees.

(05:20):
And and you know, Obamacare has become so much more
generous than the federal subsidy for workplace coverage that it's
like the employee for these employers, it's it's a real
easy call. They'll just stop offering health addreds to their employees.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Right right, which undermines the whole system. Like Obamacare is,
like the idea was, hey, we get enough young people
to pay for the older people who use care more
then that that's fine. But so many young people because
of because the economy, look at it go well, you know, what.
I'm perfectly healthy. I'm not going to subscribe to this.
I'm not going to pay into a system that i
may not have to take benefits out for some time

(05:59):
if ever. That's all well and good, but it doesn't
keep the system afloat. And so it's a Ponzi scheme,
is what it is.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
For Democrats, it's all about the ultimate goal of putting
the government completely in charge of our healthcare. And you know,
so they like to cause crises and then exploit the crises,
and in some ways that's what they're doing now now,
you know. On the bright side, the Republicans, in addition
to not buckling all this pressure to in a sense,

(06:31):
bail out Obamacare and continue masking its failures, they've also
started coming up with really good health reform ideas which
they have been actually voting on. The House will vote
either today or tomorrow on a bill that would actually
reduce health insurance premiums for American workers, whereas the Democrats

(06:52):
plan does not reduce health insurance premiums by a penny.
Expanding Obamacare bailing it out, does not reduce the cost
of healthcare, just masks it, and you know, there's some
good stuff in the Republican bill that's going to be
voted on it, things like association health plans, which you know,
enable small businesses to group together so they can get

(07:15):
large group discount rates, and that should lower premiums for
those businesses by like thirty percent for their employees. There's
also a provision in the bill that would end some
of the inflationary waste in the Obamacare system where the

(07:35):
insurers are basically incentivized to bloat their premiums at taxpayer expense,
and that would not only save thirty billion dollars over
ten years, but it would reduce Obamacare premiums generally by
eleven percent. That actual relief for the people that we're

(07:56):
talking about who are going to lose or see smaller
subsidies in January. Again, the Democrat plan doesn't help those
people at all, except with massive taxpayer But.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Do you know, I just saw new study numbers here,
poll numbers, and they've been pretty consistent that independence especially
factor into this as well. But something right around sixty
percent of six out of ten people who are on
the ACA think it works fine, that they actually like
the Obamacare and their healthcare. That's a boulder Republicans are

(08:30):
trying to push up. Hell, that's going to be difficult.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
Well, it's true that. Look in any health insurance subsidy scheme,
most people are probably gonna like it because most people
are healthy most of the time. They don't actually have
to use the insurance. If it's a bad system, like
one of these socialized medicine systems in Britain and Canada
and so on, most people say it's great because they
never have to interact with it. It's only when they

(08:54):
do that they begin to see the serious flaws of
government run healthcare. But you know you mentioned sixty percent.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
I'll give you a statistics.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Sixty percent of the people who are on Obamacare now
we'll be able to find a plan that costs them
less than fifty dollars a month, less than two dollars
a day, and yet we're told this is a premium apocalypse.
I think we're going to find after January first, that
the reports of the tsunami the apocalypse were greatly exaggerated.

(09:27):
Probably hopefully Probably that will encourage Republicans to keep trying
to reform healthcare, expand health savings accounts as they voted
on in the Senate. In fact, we got fifty one
senators last week to vote to basically let people who
are on Obamacare take part of their subsidy as a

(09:50):
deposit to a health savings account. So instead of that
money going to and ensure, it's going to use the
patient and you can decide what care and doctors you
want to without without insurance company meddling. That's the future
of American healthcare in our view, with Americans for Prosperity
fund patients, not insurans.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Dean Clancy's here, he's a senior health policy fellow Americans
for Prosperity, And today the House, I'm not going to
vote on that extension for the ACA jeprising up over
twenty million Americans in their Obamacare.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
In debating what the what the Republican plan looks like?
But again and I get it. You know, you give
people money. Technically it should drive down costs because of
you know, better competitional Like. One of the things in
there though is, uh, you know, the funding, cost share
reductions and price transparency. But Trump issued an executive order
and price transparency what back in twenty ninety so six

(10:41):
years ago, and hops are posting prices, but we're not
seeing meaningful cost reduction. So if history is a indicator
of future behavior, is this really going to matter?

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Dean, Well, we absolutely need price transparency, especially if we do.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
But they're not doing it. That's the prible even even
with Frin's order.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
No, that's right there. Actually you said they're complying, but
really they're not. They're putting out garbled information, they're hiding
it on their websites. They're making it so you can't
compare with their competitors. Trump's hospital price transparency mandate really
has not worked. And this confirmed something that we had
afp of long belief, which is you don't get price

(11:23):
transparency through government mandates. You get it from markets, and
markets happen when the consumer controls the dollars. Just like
in the gas station of the grocery store, there's transparent
prices there. Why because everybody's walking in carrying cash, they
demand to see the prices. That's how you'll get it
in healthcare too, and that's why we want everyone to

(11:44):
have a health savings account and to be able to
have insurance free options or options that are supplemental to
insurance where you don't have some third party paying the bill.
You pay the bill, and when that happens, prices become
transparent naturally, right.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
But still the problem, of course is healthcare affordability. This
may drive some of the costs down. I mean, we
just talked about Trump's order price transparency, which is not working.
I'll hold my breath and see if this plan actually
lowers prices. In theory, it may, But what do you
tell someone who's going to lose their healthcare as of
December thirty first of this year. I get why subsidies exist,
and I hate them as much as you do. But

(12:23):
for someone who otherwise can't afford health insurance and you
look at it, going, well, they're going to take this
away from me, where do you go?

Speaker 2 (12:29):
What do you do?

Speaker 3 (12:30):
It's not about giving you your dollars back in life,
because so many people are making a choice these days
and going I just simply can't afford healthcare, or you're younger,
which is the big problem with Obamacare. And I'm not
going to pay into the system at all. If I
get really, really sick, I'll go to the hospital and
I have to treat me. They have no choice. I
think a lot of people are seeing that as the
nuclear option, so to speak. Doesn't that undermine the whole system?

Speaker 4 (12:52):
It does, and you put your finger on the real question,
which is healthcare affordability. The folks who are going to
be receiving smaller subsidies, by the way, it's still going
to be very generous. Obamacare is still going to cover
like eighty percent of the cost of your health insurance policy,
which is a pretty nice deal. But for those who

(13:13):
are negatively affected, some of you, they have options. For example,
some can just switch to a less costly insurance plan.
You know, you have a menu of plans you can
choose from. Maybe you downgrade from what they call silver
to bronze, and so you still have insurance, but it
costs you less. Number of the people that are affected

(13:37):
actually have access to workplace insurance, either directly or through
a spouse. And there are even some who are eligible
and sometimes even enrolled on Medicaid, the program for low
income of folks. That's not technically not lawful. You're not
supposed to be on both Obamacare and Medicaid simultaneously, but
it turns out there are millions of people who are

(13:58):
because the government does not police it well, the real
hard cases are going to be the folks who make
more than about for an individual, about sixty thousand dollars
a year. That's the anecdotes you're going to see in
the headlines because some of them are going to see
a really big increase in out of pocket why because
they're going to lose their subsidy altogether. These are folks

(14:20):
that Democrats, you know, four years ago, thought shouldn't get
any subsidy at all. But they're going to be the
sob stories. But those people represent just one half of
one percent of the US population. I do think they
are going to need some kind of help, but expanding
Obamacare is not the way to do it. Better to
do the things like Republicans are proposing to bring actually

(14:43):
bring down the price of health insurance for everybody, not
just the seven percent of Americans who are on Obamacare,
but for the ninety three percent as well who are
not on Obamacare.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Right, makes sense.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
We'll revisit this, I'm sure after the first of the year,
when everyone will running around with their hair on fire, screaming,
and as always, it's not as bad as they're making
out to be. But again, if you look at the
political implications here.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
It doesn't.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
It's not a good look for the Republicans for sure,
not to be able to come up sort of compromise
to at least negotiating extent. It gives Congress the aura
of an inefficient incompetency in a sense, because you know,
we're again just kicking the can down the road and
not addressing anything, and eventually the bomb's going to explode,
is how it goes. Dean Clancy at Americans for Prosperity.

(15:30):
Thanks again for the time. Do you know I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Oh, it was a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Thanks again.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
We'll get a news update in here in just minutes.
On seven hundred WLW and Win a return on the
Scott Sloan Show. Today, Mark's an important day in Ohio
sports history.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Do you know what that is?

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Details right after this on seven hundred WW, I's Lona
here seven hundred ww Welcome to it.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Midweek, Here we go.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
A monumental day today, a monumental day in history. On
this date in nineteen hundred and ninety five, the Cleveland
Browns hosted their final game before they moved the franchise
to Baltimore, where they won their first Super Bowl in
six years. Six years took them to achieve glory after

(16:28):
leaving Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Get the dust at Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
I've got this audio Matt Reese in the closing minutes
of that game back in nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Here you go.

Speaker 7 (16:38):
We got about a minute twenty left in the game
at this point, and it's getting very ugly. In the
Dog Pound, they are lifting the bleacher seats out and
throwing them down by the gold Post act of goodwill,
the Cleveland Browns are heading to the Dog Pound and
are embracing the fans who just a few minutes ago

(16:59):
were throwing bleacher benches out onto the field. All the
way around, it seems as though the security is holding
people back. There is no great rush to the field,
and this act of gratitude by the Cleveland Browns seems
to be keeping those bands from rushing the field. There's
a bunch of debris all around. There are actually benches

(17:22):
and seat sections that.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Have been thrown onto the field.

Speaker 7 (17:26):
I four three two one, and that will do it
for the Cleveland Browns. At Municipal Stadium, the Bengals have
lost twenty six to ten.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Carsla was right. They're throwing Bengals. They're throwing stuff on
the field. They're throwing bleachers on the field out of anger. Ugh,
I remember those days. I remember those days as a
younger version of myself. They got a new franchise that
at night. So that's ninety five, ninety nine, they get
a franchise and since then they have They've been through

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forty one quarterbacks. They have lost, ad have ted twenty
two losing seasons in twenty six years. And when it
comes to success, three times they went to the postseason
since nineteen ninety nine, lost in the wild card round twice,
so bumped out the first round and then advanced to

(18:19):
the divisional round. Just once, just once, you know, you
examined that. And by the way, as he pointed out,
the Bengals lost to that awful team that season. The
futility of football in the Buckeye State, it is an
exercise in futility. I mean the Bengals, I think this

(18:40):
will be their sixteenth losing season since nineteen ninety nine.
Certainly not as bad as Cleveland. They hold the all
time suck record at twenty two. But you know, you
talk about the season that could have been here in Cincinnati,
and obviously we love to relish in the pain of
other teams, especially divisional opponents in Cleveland that want to
see them do well.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Do I want to see Pittsburgh do well?

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Certainly they want to see Baltimore do well. But here
in Cincinnati, it's not like we don't have our own problems.
We can commiserate with the Browns fans. They lost the franchise,
they got it back, and some may ask, well, weren't
they just maybe just better off not having a football
team at this point. We often have that conversation in Cincinnati.
We have certainly had success, more success than the Browns

(19:21):
with multiple owners and mentioned head coaches and just going
through them. We don't do that here in Cincinnati. I
don't think that's anything to hang your hat on. It
seems rather like low hanging fruit or just simply low expectations, like, well,
at least we're not Cleveland, that's true, or not Pittsburgh
or Baltimore either would be nice to achieve some level
of success, go to the Super Bowl and losing it.

(19:41):
I mean, that's all around good. I know all about that.
As a Bills fan, I just would like to see
one of my teams do something in my lifetime. Is
that too much to ask? The answer is it probably is.
It probably is, But especially considering you know, seat gates.
Speaking of seats ending up on the field, we couldn't
do that on Sunday at pay Court simply because they

(20:02):
were frozen and buried under eight inches of ice that
they didn't bother to clean off. But nonetheless, the futility
of being a football fan in Ohio is something else.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
It's just a whole different level. It really really is.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Nineteen ninety five Browns final game against the Bengals. Bengals
loose against a franchise that was pulling up steaks and
leaving fantastic. This morning, I'm flipping around we have in
the newsroom, as you imagine, all right, sitting have coffee
and waste people's time. Prior to the show The Fox
nineteen and Ken Baker over there, who does the kicking
with Ken segmentar. He goes around town do different stuff.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
I noticed it.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
I did not know this, but today he was at
the French chew factory, which I had no idea French
chews were made in Cincinnati. Furthermore, it is one of
those very interesting head scratching kind of things where you go.
You know, I've seen French chew before, like in the
candy aisle at checkout counters. Occasionally see it there, maybe

(20:59):
not as much as he used to. And you at
the same time, I don't know anyone have seen anyone
ever buy French shoe. I mean it exists, somebody's eating it.
I have no idea if it's like taffy or what.
And I'm not insulting and throwing shade at the French
jew people here in Cincinnati, but just seems like a
weird thing. Like you know, opera cream is different because

(21:21):
it's only during Easter. You get the opera creams during Easter. Okay,
it's like a once yea, hey got it.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
It's a big thing, that French shoe. It's around, but
you never see one eating it. It's a weird thing,
really really strange. This leaves me scratching my head. Anyway,
We've got lots to get to today. On this Wednesday mornings,
he wind it down for the holidays. A lot of folks,
I know, it's a fewer and fewer people with the
passing days here on the road. And I would suggest
that next week especially probably not going to be many

(21:46):
people at work because the way the holiday falls, folks
will be burning their vacation days as well. Your damn
should you can't take them with you, right, can't take
vacation days when you're dead. So yeah, just we're kind
of winding it down towards the end of the year.
I can't tell you later the show here on seven
hundred WLW, we do have. It's not like, you know,
the news cycle is over, there's nothing going on, because
there are a few things, namely, tonight President Trump will

(22:08):
address the nation, and I think we have uc basketball
here on seven hundred WW and we have Xavier basketball
on fifty five KRC. But you know, talking about to
Michelle Schultz, especially in the eleven o'clock hour, she's a trade attorney,
and leaves me scratched my haut. Tonight, the President's going
to talk about this. I'd imagine healthcare may be part

(22:30):
of the plan. I don't know if he's gonna talk
about it, but basically it says, hey, you know what,
affordability might be a figment of your imagination.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I'm not sure that to me.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
You know, of all the stuff that politicians try to
sell you on, I you know, better than anybody if
stuff more costs more than it did a year ago
or whenever it is.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
I mean, you know, it's it's the economy stupid.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
You know.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Being told is like, well, no, you're fine, everything's good.
It really that doesn't play with most people. I mean,
you know exactly how much money you have in your
checking and savings account and how much you can afford,
and when you go in, and the price of beef
and everything else is through the roof. Albeit the one
saving grace would of course be gas prices are very low.
But at the same time you go in, you know,

(23:13):
may take that money you're filling your car up with
and having to buy I don't know, beef, maybe some
ground beef, and it's it's prohibitively expensive for a lot
of people. Yeah, one I noticed I like to eat.
I notice the price going Man, beef feels like a
luxury these days, it really does. And chicken thighs and
like the are still pretty cheap. But again, you know,
a price everything is going up. This is how it is.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
He's going to try to tell people, maybe what the
plan is. I wonder.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
I hope he doesn't lean into the it's all a
lie by the Democrats, because that's going to go over
like a fart in church. Let's call it what that is.
But relative to the terroraces I was talking about, we'll
get into that a little bit later on with Michelle
Schultzi's a trade attorney. I think it's interesting because today
this goes to show you the hypocrisy of politics. So today,

(23:54):
relative to the Affordable Care Act, which is not of course,
anything you subsidize is not afford You're making it look
like it's affordable.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
It's not.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
You're just taking money from somewhere else and giving it
to people to make it look for them that it's affordable.
It's not affordable. Affordable Care acts a joke. It drives
the cost up. Subsidy makes stuff cost more, not less.
So moderate Republicans are trying to squeeze the party and saying, look,
we've got to at least extend this for a year
or two so we can sort this out. Because our

(24:22):
seats are in jeopardy. People are going to hold us
responsible if you have some twenty what twenty two million
Americans get their subsidies cut, there's gonna be backlash for that.
We may have to pay the political price for that.
Republicans locked them out, said we're not budging on this,
and we're going to introduce our own plan today and
move forward on that when it does include more subsidies
for Obamacare. Okay, got it. So subsidies are bad. Remember

(24:44):
that subsidies are bad. Tonight, at nine o'clock, the President's
going to talk about the tariffs, and I'm gonna guess
he's going to go, Look, here's what we're going to
do with all this money, the nearly quarter trillion dollars
that we got from tariffs. We're going to do what
with Well, what we're going to do is maybe give
you a check for two thousand dollars. Maybe what we're

(25:05):
going to do is pay down the deficit. Probably not.
What we're going to do are tax cuts, eliminating income taxes,
all this stuff that we're going to do some eight
different plans to spend the tariff money that's come in.
I would look at it and go, well, okay, didn't
we just give farmers here in Ohio specifically lost like

(25:25):
seventy six million dollars in exports to China.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
We give them?

Speaker 3 (25:30):
We did on top of what happened last round twelve
billion dollars in bailouts. Meanwhile, we've lost seventeen billion to
China on agricultural trade alone. So isn't that a subsidy?
And the answer would be, yeah, that's a subsidy. Like
wait a minute, we're against subsidies with healthcare, but we're
for them when it comes to tariffs and farmers. Yes,

(25:53):
that is called Washington logic.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Is what that is?

Speaker 3 (25:57):
You know, I don't know why you're in support of
the president if it's still where it was when he
got a lot when you voted for him, or maybe
it's wane as for a lot of people as well.
That certainly doesn't help the case. And you know, the
idea that we're going to go and drain the swamp
and do things differently and shake it up.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
That sounds like more Washington politics to me, which leaves
a lot of people. And I think a lot of
people who voted for Trump and the administration, I think
it leaves them don't feel like you're holding the bag,
so to speak. I think you can't be against tariffs
when it's healthcare, but for them when it's for farmers,
it just doesn't make any said terrorists, it's a terror
or terriffs. Can't be against subsidy. Rather, I should say

(26:35):
when it's healthcare versus farmers, same thing. Quit taking the
money and giving it to other people. Why not just
fix the issue? How do you make healthcare affordable? Get
the hell out of the healthcare game. And a lot
of people buy their own health care in the free market.
The money you save from all this other nonsense can
go to helping the indigen and the working poor, which
we should make the system work better. Give them the
money they can spend it in the open market. Get

(26:57):
your employer out of that line of work. But a
lot of Americans, Americans like the healthcare they get in
private sector and won't give that up. And conversely, now
study came out shows about sixty six and ten Americans
and that number has been consistent when they pull that
they like their affordable character, they like their Obamacare. So
you have those two things that are removable objects.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
What now? What now? Five and three?

Speaker 6 (27:18):
Seven?

Speaker 3 (27:20):
The big one on the French chew topic. Real quick,
here will in Northern Kentucky on the Big one will
give me the update on French chew.

Speaker 8 (27:27):
Hey, Tony, how are you doing I'm the guy that
started that World War two bet. His name was Harry Dosher, okay,
and they also made the Easter eggs every year still
they still do. But he was down on Court Street
by downtown soon set. He is there probably for I
think I think his grandfather even started. It's what I

(27:48):
remember the story seeing a picture on the wall. He
was in there a couple of times doing some work.
So anyway, great guy World War two bet Court Street.
He makes the Dosher Easter eggs too, Gosha. So I
think what sold off back in the mid ninety first,
excuse me, mid two thousands, I think a sun owner
per while.

Speaker 6 (28:06):
Then eventually it was bloked by.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Another Doser makes They make candy canes too, don't they.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yes, they do, okay, I thought knew that name right.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Right right, love the little can Little candy canes are
the best. It's just the right to the the fun
sized candy canes.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
If you will.

Speaker 8 (28:22):
I always said, you know, the French choo is actually
invented by a dentist, you know, but.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Well it's kind of like it's it's like taffy.

Speaker 8 (28:29):
Right, Oh yeah, I never did, no understand. I meant
they asked him how he came up with that named
Harry died several years ago, but you know how it
came up with that name French chew, you.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Know, and as I said, it's it's you know, it's
around and you know that, Oh yeah, French chew. I've
seen it like a checkout or you know, we're candy
or candy aisle. But I've never seen anyone actually buy
it or jew out. I like walking by going, hey,
somebody's having French chew. You just it's been around, it's there.
They make a lot of it. I just don't know
anyone who's eating it well.

Speaker 8 (29:01):
Was also in the American Legion. Harry was a big
support of the American Legion. Roseland and but it was
you know, we would get to merriedan to the family.
We'd get boxes of those things.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
To the point where you to the point where you go, okay,
I've but enough French chew.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I think I'm pretty good here.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
It gives you your teeth a good work out because
that stuff is sticky stick you know. When McConnell retired,
he took the Reese's Peanut butter cups with him. Because
I'm a huge fan of Rees's but and I think
the guy who brought him into mic, like, I mean
for a while, you know the story, like once a
month he brings a case of different races and we've
got the Christmas trees for the holidays, and the regular

(29:39):
ones are new ones that came the Oreo flavored ones,
and we all probably put on ten pounds each, I
think over the last couple of years from the gratuitous
display of Reeses, which I'm a huge fan of. I
love chocolate, I love peanut butter. Together it is magic.
Maybe I just started doing that with French chee. I'll
be the French Chew ambassador. Yeah, we got but they

(30:00):
got vanilla. I know there's vanilla. There's a bunch of
different flavors as well. It's just a it's a funny thing,
not throwing shade against French Chew Cincinnati Company. And it's
been going on obviously since World War Two, so that's awesome.
But just you see it and you go, oh, yeah,
I didn't know what's made here. And then secondly it's
like I don't recall anyone going yacht. What's your favorite candy?
French Chew. Maybe it'll come back like everything. It's all retro, baby,

(30:21):
it's all retro these days. Uh and five one three
for nine seven thousand. Dave on the French chew topic.
I think I've hit a nerve here. What's going on?

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Brother?

Speaker 9 (30:30):
Yes, the French cho is made in Newtown, yep. And
they also make the dots, the candy dots on the paper.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Oh really, the dot the not not the dots dots,
the dots in the box, but the ones that are
in paper, right, sugar dots. Yeah, yeah, okay, I've seen
those before. I didn't know they made those two.

Speaker 9 (30:50):
Yes, And they make full size candy canes all different, gotcha?

Speaker 1 (30:55):
All right, that's all. Yeah? Good.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Have you had a French chew?

Speaker 6 (30:59):
It's been years, okay.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
I think that's.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Also part of the problem, right, It's like, yeah, it's
been a long time, and I'm sure I've had a
French chew before. I just can't recall how remarkable it was,
that's all.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
That's all.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
The dots on paper, I remember, get those. I wonder that, like,
I think I still make them. It just it struck
me as maybe after and I wasn't born then, but
it struck me during the sixties Zeitgeist when people were
dropping acid that maybe candy on paper. I was like, yeah, okay,

(31:34):
you're gonna start handle those in Halloween. You might look
at it a little side. I going, yeah, dots of
sugar on paper? What could go wrong there on a
little wax paper. But I suppose if it's packaged up
or whatever. And you know, if you're a kid, you
don't care.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Sugar pixie sticks Just basically eating powdered kool.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Aid is what we're doing. Love the pisy and pixie sticks.
You just give me sugar in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Baby.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
I know everyone wants to talk about talk about the
French chew when we've picked that up some other time.
But anyway, I gotta get a news update, and here
find it at the very latest. What's happening in and
around the world. Mentioned the President speaking tonight at nine o'clock.
When return on the Scotts Loan Show a little bit
after ten o'clock here on seven hundred WLW, I mentioned
I had Dean Clancy on earlier talking about talking about

(32:17):
the vote on healthcare coming up.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
As Michael is eis we all worry about aging?

Speaker 3 (32:21):
The older you get, the more fearful you are of
dying and trying to do things to hold back the
hands of time.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
That is true.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Probably don't care as much as you're eighteen than when
you're eighty about things like that. However, we have new
science involving slowing down aging. How much can you slow
aging down?

Speaker 9 (32:34):
On?

Speaker 2 (32:34):
What does it take?

Speaker 3 (32:35):
We'll get to that with Michael afternoons on the Home
of the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred WWT Cincinnati.

Speaker 9 (32:40):
Do you want to be an American idiot?

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Slowly backcoun seven hundred ww AG Oh yeah, that is
aging optional. No, we all age, but you can slow
it down a bit. The question is how, and the
answer is science, our healthcare system, our culture in general.
We pretty much focus on treating symptoms and not prevention,

(33:04):
and that is a I think that's a big problem
for us, but that's how we think, that's how we're programmed.
He is doctor Michael Azaz. He's an internist and regenitive
medicine specialist. And there are three or four big things
you need to know if you want to slow your
aging down a little bit. Not as important, probably not
feel it your twenties or thirties, but the time you
hit that forty year old mark on your old odometer,
you start thinking, man, things are getting sore, I'm getting

(33:26):
tired faster and all that stuff as well. And the
solution may be something you can do yourself. Doctor Z's
welcome to the show.

Speaker 6 (33:32):
How are you good morning? Thank you so much for
having me, Scott.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, would you agree on that too. As we tend
to treat symptoms and diagnosies and go, okay, well we
have a medicine for this, but instead instead of fixing
what's ailing you, we just kind of prop things up
and mask over the signs.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
That is totally true. We tend to accept getting older
as something that we need to take for granted and
it's normal to get older. But if we treat aging
as a disease, which is a you concept and medicine,
we can age in a totally different way and prevent
chronic ASI raviss from happening in the first place. And
that's what I talk about in my books.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Let's go through that too, And it's something I do
a few of these things already, and I've said this
is a year I'm going to get more much more
serious about it. I think as I get closer and
closer to the big six to oh, farther away from
the big five oh and closer to the six to o.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
And I do, and it works for me. I do
intermittent fasting.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
And also I'll probably last meal I'll have is I
don't know, maybe anywhere between five and seven o'clock and
won't eat until after twelve o'clock the next day. And
for those of my god, how are you doing that?
I think it's easier as you get older because your
body needs less calories to function. So let's talk about
intermittent fasting and why that is so good for you.

Speaker 6 (34:49):
All right, So, one of the whole marks of aging
is we have a young cells in our bodies and
we have old sellsand our bodies. And the old cells
not only do not function our bodies, but they also
discrupt the young cells. And that's one of the reasons
why we get older. And by doing what you're doing,
intermittent fasting or not eating for a period of time,
you're getting rid of the old cells. So the body

(35:10):
is like screaming, is like, what's happening is that person's starving?
So the body starts to eat the dead cells, the
cancer cells, and how intermittent fasting works in longevity. I'm
not a fan of prolonged fasting where you don't eat
for several days because you can lose muscle masks if
you skip a meal or eating between. Just eat our period.
That's great as long as you're eating the balance diet,

(35:32):
which in protein and antioxins and vitamins. You get rid
of the old cells. It's in essence cells and one
way to prolonged life, and that has been proven to
prolonged life in many animal studies, even monkeys, so probably
will do the same in humans as well.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, atopogy is what it's called.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
So basically as I understood it, and the simple way
to explain this is like your body is always looking
for something to do. Your body is very very busy,
even though you may be sleeping or whatever, it's looking
for stuff to do. And if it's not busy digesting
food and try and figure out, you know, where to
send all the things here. It does housekeeping. It basically
cleans house and that is cleaning up all the old
dead cells. Some of those could promote things like cancer

(36:09):
and other illnesses.

Speaker 6 (36:11):
That is totally true. And you know in the Middle East,
the rates of cancer are eighty five percent than the
United States and Europe. And that's because of the intermittent
fasting they do during the religious holiday of Ramadan. So
even though they eat massive amounts of sugar in eight
hour period, that period of it's kind of intermittent fasting.
It's promotes authosogy and it kills the sentis themselves. So

(36:35):
that's something we can learn from different countries around the world.
That that's what I share in the book.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, if you could eat one big meal a day,
you can pretty much eat, you know, with a restriction.
You can't go out an entire trail asagna or you know,
three large pizzas, but you can eat your food and
be full and still being a calorie deficit.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
So it also helps to lose weight, right, you.

Speaker 6 (36:56):
Know, you're talking like Brian Johnson who's pretty much just
eating once one meal.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Of a day.

Speaker 6 (37:01):
That's very tough, but that probably has the most impact
on longevity. But I would say we have to enjoy life.
I'm not a fan of just not eating for a
long time. But what you're doing is totally good because
just eating an eight hour period is doable, is manageable.
You're not depriving yourself and you're probably going to get
the same benefits.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yeah, and now if you're busy too, if I'm doing
a construction type of stuf, might have a bigger lunch
and a decent sized dinner. But if I'm not, then
it just you know, you gotta listen to your body
and not stuff yourself all the time. And that's easier
said than done because food is so damn good. So
intermittnfasting one thing you could do to slow down aging.
Let's talk about processed foods and anti inflammatories and stuff
like that. And the thing is, as you get older,

(37:42):
you notice your body is so much more inflamed. What
is your body telling you if you suffer from inflammation?

Speaker 6 (37:48):
So what happens is the old self we have in
our bodies are also not just not functioning, but they
also are secreting inflammatory proteins. And that's why how aging happens.
And before you know it, you get wrinkled skin, you
can get joint issues, you can get stomach issues, you
can get weight gain, and that's inflammation. And one way
to control aging is control inflammation by again intermittent facting,

(38:12):
but by also eating a balanced diet which an empty oxidant, vitamins, mineral, superfoods.
People have to lose weight because belly fat is linked
to inflammation when we have so much fat around our bellies,
that's thee greet also inflammatory markers which are very bad
for ourselves. So it's you have to control inflammation if
you want to age in a good way.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
One thing, my wife did this not long ago because
she was having just not feeling well and she went
someone recommended a and I forget what the name of
it is, but basically as a diet tissue who focuses
on that, and did a whole bunch of tests and
found out that she had a gluten sensitivity, and so
things like gluten also eggs, mushrooms like weird stuff she
could eat. And she's taken those things out of her

(38:54):
dial largely and feels so much better.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Well.

Speaker 6 (38:58):
Food allergies. Of course, if you have foodgies, that can
also cause inflammation, so that's a good way to get tested.
You can do a skin test, you can do a
blood test. That's your doctor's office to make sure to
avoid the types of food that you're intolerant to. Gluten
intolerance is very rare. It's only one in two hundred
people who have it. But if you have gluten intolerance
or if you have civic disease, definitely have to avoid
grains because that can cause it inflammation and just being

(39:21):
on top of health. We have a habit in the
United States and we get a physical just once year,
and we think we're going to age in a different
way and we go on top of our health. But
really we have to think differently. We have to treat
aging the disease. We have to take a proactive approach.
We have to know our food allergies. We have to
know if there's inflammation. We have to be in a
good way. We have to control aging by supplements, medications

(39:44):
and so on.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah, and again, as sactor Michael is Eas, he's an
Internet regenitive medicine specialists. In his books The Ageous Revolution,
and the question is how do you slow down age?
Can't stop it, obviously, but you can help yourself as
you get older. There's things like intermitt and fasting. We're
talking about proving processed foods from you diet and can
you not eat? You know, are you so strict that
you shouldn't need any of this stuff? I mean, who

(40:06):
doesn't like a good cheeseburger once in a while, or
I mentioned a pizza or something like that. Do you
have to sustain yourself completely on whole grains? Could you
work in a cheap day or two there? How's that work?

Speaker 6 (40:16):
The problem in the American diet fifty percent of our
diet now is process and that's bad. When we eat
process food, we find carbohydrate pizza, doughnut, sugar that promote aging.
And we have to lower the amount of process food
we eat. I don't think we can eliminate it totally.
I think if we go down to ten percent, maybe
so having it, you know, a pizza once in a while,

(40:38):
thin cross whole weeks with a lot of vegetables. That's
a good way. And if you're eating a balanced diet
which in antioxidens, vitamins, and minerals, and you're exercising, you
can probably counter effect the effect of process food that
you're eating on occasions.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Yeah, Gut health is another one too that we don't
pay attention to. Years ago, as in the hospital, got
seediff and had to eat a lot of yogurt and
kafir and things like that, and you kind of notice
you feel a little bit better when you have those
enzymes in your gut.

Speaker 6 (41:09):
Yes, so gut heals is one of the whole marks
of aging that I talk about in my book, and
I talk in my book also about the countries that
have the longest lifespan and the Blue zones where many
of them live to one hundred and many of those
countries they eat a diet that is rich in probiotics.
They eat fermented food. Even countries not like the Blue zones,

(41:30):
like South Korea, they eat kinshi. The women in South
Korea are going to be the first to lift the
age ninety. And the reason got's so important because in
our gut lists pillions of bacteria. We have more gut
bacteria than thousand our bodies. And those bacteria promote longevity
by doing vitamin K two, which prevents heart attack. They
make a product called eulescene which supplies the mitochondria, the

(41:52):
mitochondria or the bats of ourselves. And if we have
bad bacteria, then we have back to inflammation what we
just talked about and believe in not Scott, we have
a big problem when we're eating a lot of process foods.
We're not eating for mented foods we're not eating enough yogurt,
and that's why gout is very poor. And we have
now an epidemic of calling cancer in men below age fifty.

(42:14):
And again it has to do with inflammation. So calling
cancer's number one cancer now in men below age fifty.
It has to do with our poor gut health.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
How much of this has to do with genetics.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
You've mentioned people that live to one hundred and these
super agers, but that seems more genetic than lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Wrong.

Speaker 6 (42:30):
According to the research I've done for the book, I
believe seventy percent of our longevity is related to the
things we do diet, stress management, addequate sleep, exercise. Only
thirty percent genetics player role. And that's why we can
control our genetic destiny by doing all the good things
that we can control, or at least we try.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, yeah, I mean genetics do go a long way.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
That's why you see people who you know, eat like
crap for years and they live.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Into their eighties.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
But you know, you look around you average nursing home.
You don't say many too many obese people at nursing homes.

Speaker 6 (43:04):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (43:05):
I talked in my book that the longest person living
in the world was a French woman and she smoked.
So yeah, you're right. It's like really has to do
with with luck. But I think we all have to
try to do our very best, not only to eat
a good uh, a good diet, a balanced die thinkway
from fat diet, low fat diet with excess sugar, low

(43:26):
cop with all the chemicals. I tried, and right now
the country is moving in the right direction by limiting
all the chemicals in our processed food. So I'm glad that.
But just that's one of the steps to control aging.
There's many things to do to control aging again, express management,
adequate sleep, supplementation, and medications. Now there are medications to

(43:47):
control aging that the doctors are not aware of, and
that's why I want to educate the public about that.
We can, you know, age a completely different way with
all the advances we have in medicine.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
One of the things I hear, I mean, there's you
know all mega threes, and.

Speaker 6 (44:02):
Do you take that.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
I do take vitamin D. My vitamin D lovels are perfect.
I take I take supplements.

Speaker 6 (44:07):
Okay, So fish oil is very important. Fish oil one
grammar day I can give you four years of longevity.
That's amazing, and many of us are not taking fish
oil or we know it goes for us, but we
exact to take it. But if we're consistent, we can
have an extra years of longevity just by taking fish oil.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
I heard.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
The big one too is vitamin D. We don't get
a vitamin D. That's that when it comes to cancers
and things like that.

Speaker 6 (44:28):
Yes, absolutely so, I believe in not Scott. Vitamin D
is so important not only for longevity but also for
presenttion of COVID. We had a very high rate of
mortality in the United States from COVID. And if you
take a look at I live in New York, if
you take a look at Florida, they had less mortality
from COVID than we did here in New York in
the Northeast. Because vitamin D is mostly from the sun.

(44:50):
So vitamin D not only plays a role in longevity,
but it's also the immune system prevention of COVID and
so on. Yeah, so our mortaliti rate was ten times
in Japan and South Korea from COVID and that was
really motivated. What motivated me to write The ageis revolution
because right now aging is happening in young people. You
don't have to be old to be you can be.
In America, you get young and old in the same

(45:13):
time because of the lifestyle choices we make.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
One of the big components of people hate hearing this
is exercise, a little resistance training, you know, bands, free weight,
stuff like that. But you know some of these are like, well,
you need to work out for sixty minutes a day,
seven days a week, or five days a week or whatever,
and especially as you get older, that's really really tough
to do, and it's tough to do with your schedule.
So how much is enough when it comes to exercise,
I albeit just you go and walk on the dog

(45:36):
or walk around the block or something like that.

Speaker 6 (45:39):
I think any type of exercise you do, regardless the
amount of time you do, is good for you. Aerobic
and aerobic, but definitely high intense. The interval training has
the most impact on longevity. Believe it or not, it
can add ten years to our lives. But that's a
very tough type of exercise to do. So I also
recommend balance, you know, walking, running, doing a little bit

(46:02):
of streadmills, lifting weight as we get older so they
don't lose muscle mass. And if you're in good health
and you could do hit. That's fine. Do it, that's good,
that's great.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
It does start to wear the joints down, and you
got to segue into something else.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
That's all.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
If you doctor disease, if you eat like crap like
in your forties, fifties, maybe your sixties as well, can
you still reverse all this stuff?

Speaker 5 (46:23):
I do think so.

Speaker 6 (46:24):
I think the body has the ability to reset and
to reboot. And the body. You know, so many people
are overweight, so many people are diabetics. But if they
follow a balanced diet of they exercise, they can reverse that.
And there are supplements and medication that can help them.
So wait, now, look at the GLP for example, GLP
drugs and making everybody stand now, everybody's taking them, and

(46:45):
they're reversing diabetes, they're reversing obesity, they're reversing inflammation. You
can use muscle masks if you don't change your eating
habits and you're eating, you know, a lot of crap
instead of protein and a good diet. But they have
changed the way we control our weight.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Where are you on testosterone supplements?

Speaker 6 (47:04):
I'm very big, big proponent of TRT as we get
older because testostrun is declining all over the United States,
especially in young people. Again, it has to do with stress,
has to do with low vitamin D, has to do
we don't enough eat seafood with zinc. And as the
starstrum goes down, man, we start to feel tired, we
start to get belly fat, we start to get erection problem.

(47:27):
And the biggest problem with declining tystoston is it shortens
our life. And the problem is doctors don't routinely checked
with the stostrun and if they do check with the stostron,
they don't do anything about it, or they may tell
you they compare you to any eighty year old they
say your tystostrum is normal, and the fact is theystostrum
is very low because you want to always be compared
to the younger person you could be. I don't want

(47:48):
to be compared to an older person.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Right right, yeah, but yeah, and all these things kind
of factor and anyway, aging is certainly not optional. We're
all aging, but you can slow it down and as
you get all of course, time is more precious than anything,
and if you can help yourself live a healthier, longer life,
then by all means you got to make some lifestyle change.
It's an adjustin pivot, but hell do it. Doctor Michael

(48:10):
is ease the Ageless Revolution. He's an internest and regenitive
medicine specialist. And thanks again for joining the show this morning.

Speaker 6 (48:15):
Appreciate it, Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
That's how it's slow aging.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
But it's not going to stop you from eating that
half a pie and the refrigerator, you know how that is.
We've got news on the way in just a few minutes,
when a return Julie on the Job is here, we
will talk about AI and the interesting twist a icebar
that entry level jobs aren't really entry level anymore because
of AI. What does that mean? What does that mean
for your career or maybe someone you love? Just ahead

(48:39):
here Sloany seven hundred helping you put the big P
in profession. Here's our career, Shirpa Julie bout.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yes, sir Julie day off today.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
She's got stuff going onspit a little busy and the
show always goes on you're on the bus or under
the In this case, AI is rewriting what entry level
means in the workfa nobody to get an entry level
job and you'd start out learning, you know, from the
ground or built from the ground up. That's not true
anymore because of AI. What's happening is companies are automating
those tasks that were previously done by entry level employees.

(49:16):
And so what that means is if a new graduate,
those employers expect you to have advanced skills on day one.
They're still learning curve anymore. Because the easy stuff they
got AI doing, you're gonna have to really jump into
the fray. Here joining the show is the co founder
and chief strategy officer at Kingsleygate. They are in a
global executive search room nook for CEOs and C suite

(49:37):
members and his name is Umesh Rama Christian and joining
the show this morning.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
How are you.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
I'm good, Scott, Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Yeah, bet, this is a game change. I don't think
enough people realize that we know about AI. All of
us use AI in some way, shape or form of
the course of our jobs and our workday makes things easier.
But we know, like when the computers came to play,
if you're a better around back then going oh, it's
gonna make your job so much it's easy. You're gonna
have all this time, and it doesn't you just get
more work piled on you. I think the same thing

(50:04):
is true with any technology. AI is no different, but
this this one changes it because now you have to
come and almost now I wouldn't say an expert in
your field, but the bar has been been raised.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
What are you going to see? How how do you
close that gap?

Speaker 3 (50:21):
I guess then between college graduates and that new workforce.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Well, I don't even know if game change sums it up, Scott.
I think we are an existential moment here because if
you know, you have I always had a social contract.

Speaker 9 (50:37):
Right.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
You go to school, whether it's a four year degree
or a two year degree, you graduate and as a result,
you get a job and you work your way up
to middle management and hopefully the top management. But if
it is no bottom wrong at all, left, then what
do you do? Why would you even want to go
to school? Because you know we spend all the time
and money, so what really needs to happen now is

(50:58):
actually most focused on the universities and colleges and schools
rather than the corporations. So you know, we've always taken
our seniors and found positions for them. That's the social
contract I spoke about, or if you're a junior or
a sophomore, you find internships for them. Well, now I
think you need to put the whole thing on its head.

(51:21):
You need to start placing freshmen in companies. And what
I mean by that is if the company itself can
help with the college education cost, then the four years
that the student spends there is focused on and ready
for the second tier inside the company, not the entry level,

(51:42):
which means universities have to completely rethink their strategy. I
had two company presidents at my home this weekend and
I floated this idea, and they said, that is a
radical idea. That's the kind of stuff we should be doing,
because we don't do anything. These four kids, they're not
going to have a job.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Is exactly what we've seen in the trade industry down
at the other end in blue collar work, and that
is companies going, hey, we don't have a talent. What
we have to do is now they recruit them, pay
for their school. Essentially, you guarantee they're going to work
for us for a few years to kind of pay that.
But we will educate them, train them our way, and
we'll train that workforce. That's been going in the trades
for quite some time. It sounds like that's the way

(52:22):
colleges should be headed.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
That's exactly the way it should be headed. And by
the way, companies have a vest of the interest because
it's the empty level positions that fill the middle level
positions three, four, five years down the road. If you
have nobody at the bottom rung, how are they going
to fill those positions five years from now. So they
will have interest, they will fund this, but universities need

(52:45):
to take that first step. And by the way, high
schools will also be involved. Just imagine a high school
administrator he or she wants to face students in those
colleges that do this, and not colleges that are waiting
for four years to see if they can get the
kid a job or not.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
As a result, then imsh are we going to see
colleges refine their curriculum so to speak, because let's face it,
the first two years of college there's a lot of
filler or the idea of you're becoming more well round
the edge. You can't taking sociology classes and I'm taking
psychology and all these electives and things.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Is that going to go away? Is the knife, get sharpen.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Well, you know, tongue in cheek, Scott. I think drinking
beer in the first two years is going to be
a past experience. I think what's going to need to
happen is these students have come out of high school.
Just like you pointed out what's been happening on the
blue collar side, they need to jump head in and
get experience of practical experience. We actually at company sites.

(53:44):
So yes, the curriculum needs to change, not little dramatically.
They have to in work the pyramid and start getting
practical experience on day one.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Is that a lot to ask of an incoming college freshman,
someone who maybe you know, seventy six teen, seventeen years
old in some cases that essentially they have to figure
out what they want to do four years later and
later in their life and honing that and going okay, well,
I've got to make a commitment when I go to college.
It's not about me figuring it out along the way
and maybe changing and my major subtly here and there.

(54:17):
I've got to commit to a company and an enterprise,
which I don't know. I have no idea if this
is what I want to do with my life. But
that's a major commitment that changes the whole college dynamic
as well.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
This is what I meant by existential Scott. Nobody is
ready for this. You know you mentioned this is another technology.
There's one massive difference with what we are calling technology here.
This technologic reason has logic and is intelligent enough to think.
When you have something like that and you build agents
that do that, thousands of them are going to be built.

(54:51):
The good news is the kids in high school are
already being exposed to this, So unlike you and I,
I think you're going to start seeing a mature level
in high school graduates, more than we've ever seen before.
But there is going to take some time. It's going
to be some lag between now and when we reached
that maturity. So yes, I think we're going to see
a blood bats, not just in entry level jobs, but

(55:14):
in children and kids making decisions about careers they're not
quite ready for.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Are we going to see then as a result of this,
that colleges become more selective, that fewer young people go
to college because of what you're asking of them, That
we're getting rid of general education requirements. And I mean,
let's face it, if you're going to get an internship
as a freshman or sophomore at a big company let's
say Procter and Gamble here in Cincinnati. You don't have
any marketable skills that are useful to them. There's a

(55:40):
disconnect there. Are we just going to see colleges revert
back to the brightest of the bright who wind up
going there, as opposed to you know, trying to get
as many young people to go to college as possible.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Yeah, part of this redesign has to be evaluating what
students mean, what students can do, what the university needs
to do in that particular company you mentioned Proctor and Gamble,
So if you're looking if Parker and Gamble is looking
for somebody to go enter the marketing function, then it
falls on the university to determine which student is best

(56:11):
suited for that. So Yes, as a result, Scott, I
think universities and companies are going to become far more
selective and that is going to cause a construction in
the workforce. Again much any way you look at this
is going to be a massive problem.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Like like law school, for example, you know you will
go they'll go and actively recruit the brightest of the bride.
Will we start saying that with high school students where
companies actually come in and go here's your you know,
your top ten students, or there's a particular you are.
They're actually scouting high school students to work for them
and will pay for your college along the way.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Is that going to happen?

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Well, Look, a lot of what you and I are
talking about is look into a crystal ball. Right. No,
nobody is absolutely sure. But if you're asking me my opinion,
I think that's exactly what's going to happen. Uh.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
He is Umesh Ramachra Shan. He is a co founder
chief strate at Kingslegate there and a global executive firm
CEO C suite people and talk about the massive change
here with AI coming along that entry level jobs largely
as we know them in the workforce. We're talking about
white collar work predominantly are gonna go away because companies
are automating those tasks assigning to AI. Entry level employees

(57:19):
aren't doing the basic bottom level stuff. They have to
come in pretty hot. They're raising the bar for new
graduates and they expect advanced skills on day one because
the menial tasks are being done by AI, you better
bring something in the table. This almost has to change
high school, and it certainly changes what college looks like.
Where you're actually becoming an intern in a company your
freshman year and the classes you take on. It's more

(57:40):
specific to that occupation. The idea of figuring it out
as you go to college. It's been dead for a
while because of the costs zumash, but it's more so
now because of the demand for your talent. So when
you say real entry level work starting freshman year, are
you talking is that a paid internship unpaid injured co
ops entirely?

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Is it something different? What does that look like?

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Well, the way I see it, like I said, the
company has a vested interest in this, right, I mean,
they need to be filling these positions four or five
years down the road. So they want the best in
the brightest, and they want to train them in a
specific way. Proctor Gamble may want one thing, but Kroger
may want something else, and so the company, because of
that reason, should they It's not a significant amount, a

(58:25):
reasonable amount for that education. So I do believe they're.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Going to see that interesting.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
So from your executive search perspect are companies that eliminate
or over credential entry level of positions. Are they shooting
themselves in the foot long term by not developing their
own pipeline for talent?

Speaker 1 (58:42):
They absolutely are. You know, one of the things in
our business is we talk to CEOs around the world
every day, and I can tell you I haven't spoken
to one CEO who's not concerned about this issue. And
you know, sort of kicking the can down the road,
right because right now, there's no problem. Right now, earnings
are up, you're increasing productivity because you don't have anybody

(59:04):
to hire at the bottom end. But everybody knows that
that's going to just cause a problem three to four
years from now.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Well, with AI taking over the you know, the low
level work, the road work that internships used to train for.
You know, wasn't that also valuable for teaching them how
to work in a workplace, you know, professional norms and
work ethic and attention to detail, organizational culture. That's where
you learn all that stuff and just to kind of
do menial tasks. If that goes away, what does that
do to that whole model?

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Then I don't think it goes away, Scott. I think
actually it gets enhanced because if you're you know, we believe,
which I agree with you, if internship's helped in that regard,
imagine if you're doing this almost full time through college.
You know, I envision a lot of these classes that
we held on campus, not the university campus, but corporate campus.

(59:52):
So you know, these kids coming out of high school
are probably going to get exposed to things that you
and I got exposed to maybe two three years graduating. Yeah,
so I think that internship model is going to get
expanded to a work study model in the not distant future.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Is it over for the liberal arts degree programs?

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
You know, it's funny you bring that. I don't think so.
I don't know what to look like. But one of
the biggest things that students need to focus on is
critical thinking, and liberal arts is probably the best area
in humanities in college where students developed that. How they
developed that to control AI, I think still remains to

(01:00:35):
be seen.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Yeah, Okay, if you look across global markets where you
place executives at your company omesh, are you seeing this
crisis across Is it just America's across all countries, industries
and sectors, or are there ones that are still having
that traditional talent pipeline.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
I don't know a single sector or a single geography
whether this is not a crisis in the making. No, again,
if you look at it today through today's lens, there
is no crisis. Companies actually enjoying that good profits because
you know you're hiring fewer people with productivity is out.
But anybody who's looking even through a lens of a

(01:01:13):
two to three year in the future, it's not just
a small crisis. Like I said, it's an existential one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
So who's responsible for fixing this?

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
You mentioned high school, you mentioned university's employers, at government,
they all got to work together.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
I guess it's all of them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
It's all of them, But I think it starts at
the universities. I think universities need to see thisuly consider
this because for them it's a business problem too, right.
I mean, as soon as everybody's realizes that going to
a college for four years and spending a large amount
of money is not going to end in a job,
why would you want to go to college. You've got

(01:01:50):
to change the budlem to attract the students, because we're
talking about the likelihoods them for the rest of your life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Boy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
You know, I mentioned the areas that be responsible for this,
and it strikes me as universities dig their heels and
resistance with everything in there might simply because it threatens
the traditional learning model, and anything that threatens the past
is a threat to the future. As a real concern
for the future, I think you're going to see colleges.
There's probably ones that won't submit to this, and they'll

(01:02:15):
they'll probably perish at the because of those decisions.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Would you agree two things will be cause that for
them to either fear or arrogance. Fear because they don't
know what to do, or arrogance. They will not impact
us if they display either one of those two characteristics. Scott,
I think they're finished, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
So let's pivot then to this outside of universities. High school.
What about mom and dad? What about kid? You have
a younger child. Now, let's say, how are you preparing them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
For all this? That is probably the toughest job being
a parent of the toughest job to begin with, And
now is you've been told suddenly, let's say you have
a kid in high school. You have this plan in
your head for the last you know, twelve fourteen, years.
You even have a fight twenty nine going and now
you have to deal with this. You know, this is

(01:03:09):
outside my laying in terms of parent counseling, Scott, but
having been gone through it with my son, who is
now fortunately in the work place already and therefore a
little bit immune of this, I think that is the
biggest challenge is for parents in terms of how to
guide the children forward.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
I have no idea how you'd on ramp down to
this and go, Okay, it's all going to change in
the next few years. And I don't know if that's
more core classes, more stamming, and depending what you want
to do, because now you're asking, hell, if you're a parent, listen,
this is going away a minute. You're telling me that
Now my you know, thirteen fourteen year old kid who
most days I got to scream at it because they're
missing the bus and you can't find their shoes in

(01:03:49):
the morning and everything, all of a sudden, they got
to decide what it does they want to do when
they're my age, Like, that's a tough ask.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
It is an incredibly tough ask. Imagine asking a six
We need all to stud making decisions inside of a corporation.
I mean, some of these guys don't know what through
have a lunch. Yeah, yeah, we've all been to that.
So they're now making decisions. You know, this is not
going to be easy and there's going to be a
lot of upheaval. But it needs to start. I mean,

(01:04:18):
universities need to start planning to shift today.

Speaker 9 (01:04:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
But in mass well we because we don't like change
at all. And certainly universities are you know, they're held
in tradition and you have a legacy there, you have
tenured professors, you have unions. I just don't see that
happening until it becomes a crisis.

Speaker 6 (01:04:36):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Some might and pivot early and say, hey, listen, we
got to peel the bandit off and do this, but
I would suggest most wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Well, we've seen this to history though, right God, I
mean we all those we did love the horse and
buggy and you could have stuck with that and then
take you, you know, six days to get to New York.
So I think eventually people will see it. My fear
is that the strupture will happened before the realization. And
if that's the case, you know, all of us in

(01:05:05):
trouble all right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
He is the con founder and chief strategy officer at
Kingsley Gate. They're a global executive search firm. And it's
umesh Rama Krishnan in for Julie this morning on seven
hundred WLW.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Thanks again for joining. It was really informative.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Thank you, Scott. I enjoyed the conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Yeah, appreciate it.

Speaker 9 (01:05:21):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
That's a wake up call right there. College.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
As you we know, college is in crisis right now
and it's been crossed for a while. But this is
an absolute mind blowing proposition. Pretty exciting actually. So now
you can go look at your fourteen fifty year on going,
oh my god, how are we going to do this?
Good luck with that one. Let me get in this
update in and more to follow at Scott Sloan. I'll
talk to Michelle Schultz, trade attorney coming up about the

(01:05:44):
tariff refunds that may be coming due here depending what
the Supreme Court does. And in light of the President's
addressed tonight on all this and more, just add seven
hundred W O to Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Do you want to be an American? Seven hundred w WELW.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
President is going to speak tonight at nine pm to
sell you on the economy, addressing what he calls the
affordability hoax and the promise he made on the trail
to reduce the cost of living from day one. As
he said, we know that's not going very well for
the president. You know what, you know, you go to
the store and you see the price of beef, You
see the price of many thing except gas. We're to

(01:06:20):
what four or five year low right now? Everything certainly
feels much higher. And you know that when you look
at your checkbook, your savings account at the end of
the month. Of course, adding to inflation would be the tariffs,
and the President's going to talk about that tonight. And
on it is trade attorney Michelle Schultz again on the
Scott's Loan Show.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Michelle, how are you good morning?

Speaker 10 (01:06:39):
I have been busy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
I bet yes.

Speaker 10 (01:06:43):
It's all tariffs, all the time, lots of change.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Yeah, I'm sure the President is going to address a
lot of that tonight. And so we know the tarffs
brought in like close to a quarter trillion dollars so
far this calendar year. But companies like Costco and Bumblebee,
the tuna company Revlon, the makeup company ray Ban Sun
last as many others are getting in line because the
first person in line gets paid first. In the lawsuits
to lock down the billions of dollars they might be

(01:07:07):
out if the Supreme Court rules against President Truft's tariffs,
to begin with, So let's start there the likelihood that
that's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
What do you see the tea.

Speaker 10 (01:07:15):
Leaves Well, I'd say fifty to fifty. You know, in
the beginning, I thought it was pretty likely that the
Supreme Court would strike down the tariffs because they expressed
so much skepticism during the initial hearings. But the more
I read, the more I follow the government's reactions, I'm

(01:07:37):
thinking it's possible it could go either way. So companies
like Costco, Revlon and the big guys have gone in
and they have petition for Customs to essentially be forced
to delay its final computations so that refunds would be quicker.

(01:07:57):
And we're due for the final liquidation of entries as
of Monday, so it's been kind of a race to
get to the front of the line. Who can get
to the front of the line and who can get
paid first. If we could keep Customs from finalizing its calculations, Unfortunately, Monday,

(01:08:20):
the Court of International Trade denied a consolidated motion for
this very thing. So it looks like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Like one hundred and thirty billion dollars, I mean so
far that number is growing. Is what the refund would
be got. And the thing is the preemptive lawsuits coming
in to be paid as being liquidated by the government.
The Supreme Court rules against the TERRAF after liquidation occurs,
doesn't that create kind of a legal black hole where
companies can't get refunds even though they paid on constitutional tariffs.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
How would that shake out?

Speaker 10 (01:08:54):
That would be in my mind, it would be administratively
a mess. And I think that's what the DOJ was
concerned about when they last week they mentioned that, hey,
we've already been collecting about one hundred and thirty billion
in tariffs. I think if all that has to be refunded,

(01:09:16):
then it does have to be refunded, and there will
be a mechanism for refunds, such as protesting the liquidation
of customs entries. The problem is the time we're going
to have to go through a long process to get
that money back.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Yeah, and where does the money actually come from if
it's already been spent. I mean, I you know, he
has a list of I think there's like seven or
eight things on there. What he's going to do with
this money coming in from tariffs, including two thousand dollars
checks or taxpayers. All well and good, but if you
cut those checks, there's no getting it back. Where if
you spend some of that money, where's it going to
come from?

Speaker 10 (01:09:56):
Yeah, that's a great question.

Speaker 11 (01:09:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:10:00):
I think it would have to come from through customs
and border protection, but I don't know what funds they'd
pull it from. If the money's already been spent. It's
it's been It's long been the case that customs have
to provide refunds if someone overpaid. But wow, this is
on a grand scale. We're talking about billions and thousands

(01:10:24):
of companies. So I think it's legally the refunds will
be required, but it will be a process, and in
my experience requesting refunds, it's going to take.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
A long time.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Yeah, and we'll probably hear more of this tonight when
the President speaks at nine o'clock. But Trump promised to
use the tariff revenue for as I had to look
it up. Yeah, eight different purposes with the checks. There's
tax cuts, there's paying down debt, there's eliminating m TIMP
taxes in some groups.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
And the list goes on and on and on.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
But you know, I don't know, I does Congress have
to a created like any other revenue or does he
just start cutting checks himself. I mean, that's the other
question is how much authority has an executive branch versus
congressional park Congress. Congress, as we know under Republican control,
really doesn't want to do anything. They're happy with him
doing whatever he wants and doing very little as representatives

(01:11:17):
and senators. I wonder what happens in that regard exactly.

Speaker 10 (01:11:23):
Yes, and under the constitution, Congress is the branch that
has authority over taxes and terrifts. Tariffs are attacked and
they're a tax on the US importer, So you know,
you'd think that Congress would have to weigh in on
this at some point if refunds are required. It's going

(01:11:43):
to be a combination, I think, of the executive branch
and then Congress, which as you mentioned, is just going
to probably support the executive bridge decisions, and then Customs.
So Customs is going to be swimming in paperwork.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
I think yeah, doesn't mean for a smooth system. Michelle
Schultz on the shift, trade attorney, expert in the area
of tariffs and the like, and I'm sure your phone's
been ringing off the hook with all this stuff going
on from your clients. Tonight, the President is going to
talk at nine o'clock to sell us on the economy
and the affordability hoax, as he calls it. I don't know,
you go to the store, stuffs more expensive. I don't

(01:12:21):
know how that's a hoax. You know more than anyone
your personal finances. If you're doing fine and you're above
water and have all extra dispense, it's probably not that
big a deal. But of course you get closer and
closer to the poverty line, or you just simply make
less money your middle class or lower. You know that
it's really expensive out there, say maybe energy and gasoline

(01:12:42):
right now. So he's gonna try and sell us on
that tonight. It should be interesting what he says. And
of course the other area of this thing is, Michelle,
you know this better than anybody. Are the terroriffs actually
working in a sense, because I mean, China just surpassed
a one trillion dollar trade surplus, which means they export
more than they import. If they export more than import
and that number is going up, that would indicate, at

(01:13:03):
least relative to China, the tariffs are not working.

Speaker 10 (01:13:07):
Right right, Yes, relative to China, we can see that
the tariffs really aren't having the intended effect. China's actually
doing more business with other countries and they have found
that it's easier to what they called dump or sell
products below market to other countries rather than dealing with

(01:13:28):
US at this point. So you know, yeah, I think
the tariffs have resulted in difficulty for US importers, and
at the same time, China seems to be fine.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Yeah, it doesn't have the endent.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
I mean, there's other countries out there that are squeezing,
for sure, But I mean this was all set to
leverage China, and China's going, okay, we'll fine, We'll just
go We'll just expand market share elsewhere and forget about
you guys. But then, you know, if tariffs go away
or we get the balance back, are those stations going
to all of a sudden go hey, you know what,
we are just going to go back to good old
Maide In the USA, goods, you know, outside of maybe

(01:14:03):
some core products. I don't see that happening because once
you change change vendors, so to speak, it's difficult to
get that business back, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (01:14:11):
Oh, Yes, very difficult. And I think there is a
lot of sentiments regarding America that we're not reliable right now.
So I'm hearing that from the EU, from South America,
from everywhere. And you'll see China is currently very successful
in India, Brazil, Africa, you can look anywhere and they're

(01:14:36):
doing well because they're playing the game right. I think
that we are at a disadvantage at this point. Companies
don't necessarily trust us because we may or may not
go through with a transaction, or we may request christ changes.
And even if we do buy something at the regular price,

(01:15:00):
than the US company is losing profitability because they have
to either increase their price to match the teriffs and
which are up to fifty percent or more, or they
have to just do something else.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
Yeah, And I think Michelle on the terriff issue, I
think there's a credibility problem here for Trump administration and
Republicans in a sense, because you know, the cry against
the Affordable Care Act which is true. You know, we
subsidize things in this country to the extreme, and it
doesn't do anything to reduce and drive down the actual
cost of things. It's just simply a coupon. It's a voucher,

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is what it is. To make it look to you
and your family like, hey, healthcare is affordable, it's not.
It's it's out of control of the government's just taking
money from a different pile and giving it to you
to shut you the hell up so you can afford
your healthcare insurance. And that is a legitimate bee for
publicans have habit. It's one hundred percent accurate. However, when
you now have twice done that for farmers and bailed
them out because in this case, because of teriffs where

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Ohio farmers lost about seventy six million dollars in exports
to China, well overall the trade is down like seventeen billions.
So the long story is we're bailing out farmers with
twelve billion dollars. Unfortunately it's dwarfed by the seventeen billion
dollar loss in China trade to China loan. So we're
essentially subsidying farmers for the tariffs. That doesn't make any

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sense at all.

Speaker 10 (01:16:20):
Yeah, it doesn't make sense. And we're still seeing with
our clients that farmers are they have stop, they can't sell,
they're jumping products, and even agricultural equipment is taking a
huge hit because they can't afford to buy the new stuff.
They're going to use their own equipment. It's really still

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impacting farmers and agriculture, you know, down to the individual
and I think sending them a check for a couple
thousand dollars is not really helpful.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
No, no, no, you know it's again it's more subsidy.
And on that too, farmers in the particular Ohio farmers.
Basically there's a double whim there. There's higher cost from
the import taxes and lost export revenue from retaliation from
countries like China. So, from a trade law perspective, Michelle
schultz Weer, you're an expert in is the predictable outcome
of the policy something the administration's legally required to consider

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before imposing those tariffs or other statues that can just
impose it without any economic impact analysis whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
It feels like the ladder's true.

Speaker 10 (01:17:24):
Yeah, I believe the ladder's true. Unfortunately, because so the
tariffs that are the baseline tariffs. The reciprocal tariffs, those
are the tariffs that are on virtually every country, and
those were implemented under an emergency statue, as if a
trade deficit or an emergency. So let's say the court

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holds up those tariffs, they still have plenty of options
for the US government to impose tariffs under other statutes
like aluminium and steel, which are under a National Security statute.
There's another statue that covers unfair trade practices, and none
of this, None of these statutes really ask what's the

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impact on the importer in the United States state, They're
more focused on policy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
So the big picture of the takeaway here is American
farmers are suffering because of those massive losses we talked.
Big companies are lining up to sue for refunds, and
the government collected almost a quarter trillion dollars but promised
to spend it in eight different ways. So if you're
advising someone whose business is import export and you have
a global market here, what do you tell how are

(01:18:37):
you tell them to navigate this chaos right now? And
do you think we'll ever have clarity in the next
few months on the legality of all this stuff.

Speaker 10 (01:18:45):
I think we will have clarity. So that's the light
at the end of the tunnel. I'm hearing maybe beginning
of twenty twenty six. Some folks have been saying before
the end of twenty twenty five. I don't know that
we'll have that much clarity then, and I don't think
that all the tariffs will be cleared up. Many of
them are going to continue, and there's not much of

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a path forward for the importer. So what we're doing
is some importers will want to get in line, they
want to sue. On the other hand, the Court of
International Trade is not willing to bind customs as far
as its final calculations. They've denied a consolidated motion on

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Monday about by importers, So I think, you know, as
as it drags out, we continue to look at technicality.
We've had importers that have been overpaying because they've been
overvaluing their goods, and we follow the customs regulations very

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closely to determine if you're overvaluing, if you're paying a
percent onto high a value, or maybe you're paying on
the wrong country of origins or the wrong yeah good.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
I don't know how you sort all this stuff out.
I'll be honest, my head would explode her. How's your
head not exploding?

Speaker 10 (01:20:06):
It is good?

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
Okay, okay, good good. I just couldn't hear it for more.
Your Thank god you're in the phone, not in the studio.
Are cleaning people are are overworked already. She has Michelle
Schall's trade attorney on the show. I always love having
you on, Michelle, because you're you just simply cut right
through it to help us figure out something complex is
tariffs and what it all means. And if you don't
know what it means, it should scare the hell out

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of the rest of us, that's for sure. You have
a great day. Thanks again for coming on the show.

Speaker 10 (01:20:31):
You too, Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Happy holiday, Yeahpy holdays Mary Christmas. Yeah. So it's a
damnist party in power right tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
The Republicans are today, actually I should say, they're gonna
not vote for and include subsidies to continue the Obamacare
for another couple of years.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
However, it is till they sort this out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
And so yeah, you may feel like the rug's being
pulled out under if you're one of the twenty two
million Americans on it okay, good, because we don't want
subcy Amen, subsidy is it's it's stupid. Then tonight at nine,
President Trump will tell you why subsidies are good when
it comes to farmers and everything else. And two thousand
dollars checks to Americans, isn't that subsidy? The answer would
be yes, yes, it would be leadership. Where is it?

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
I don't I don't see it. I don't see it
on the left, I don't see it on the right.
I just don't see it. News on the way minutes
here seven hundred w.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
DC.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Well, let's probably a little bit of displaying go on.
I'm not quite sure.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
I thought Seg Dennison on the staff here at iHeart Cincinnati,
was the most afraid of winter weather. And I have
to apologize to my friend Seg because I was wrong
about that. Sarah Lees is uh doing this from from
her home instead of coming in STUDI because she's afraid
of the snow that has since melted on the roadways
and will not drive on roads it could possibly be

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icy at this time. I've never seen anyone afraid Sarah
release of salt stained dry pavement. I understand when it's
slippery up maybe, but the roads are fine. Why are
you at home?

Speaker 11 (01:22:18):
Well, if the Bengals would have cleared off their seats,
we wouldn't have all the snow.

Speaker 5 (01:22:23):
Melting onto the banks and causing having.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Got it gets back to the Bengal the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
Yeah, the snow melts from the uncleared seats, goes down
down to the bottels of paycorps out, goes into the
gutters and streets and flood Cincinnati with the tears of incompetence.

Speaker 11 (01:22:41):
Yeah, I live a half mile away from downtown and
I'm in a flood right now. So that's why I'm
working from home this week.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Gotcha, gotcha, You're floating away here.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
So it is a snort report this morning, Sarah Elise,
I don't know if we've We don't often snort over
the phone, but you may have to snort louder in
order for it to come through.

Speaker 11 (01:22:59):
I think, you know what, there is a lot to
snort about because things are so bad that you just
have to keep laughing to like not go absolutely insane.
Over All of the Bengals drama is wanting after another
really is. And now you've got previous Bengals players calling

(01:23:19):
out the league on social media. This comment is definitely
trending on social media.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
Zach Moss.

Speaker 11 (01:23:28):
He's telling people on Twitter that the Bengals are easily
the worst franchise in sports.

Speaker 5 (01:23:35):
Blooney, we got problems.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
We don't have problems.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
What we have is what we have is consistency. What
has changed in the last I don't know, thirty years.
It's the same cries about incompetent, mismanagement, penny pinching, being
tone deaf, not being responsive to the fan base. Nothing's changed,
doesn't the fact that we just last week gave two

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hundred and twelve billion dollars at the stadium.

Speaker 11 (01:24:03):
Yeah, the big the Browns family, they're doing completely, They're.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Totally zero, zero poops given.

Speaker 11 (01:24:11):
Jason Williams with the inquir he has this awesome article out.
First of all, you got to read Jason Williams articles.
He has no filter, and he put this article out,
I believe this morning or late last night about how
the Bengals ownership does not care about what any of
us have to say. They see your comments on Twitter,

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on Facebook, on Instagram, TikTok, and they're just gonna keep
doing what they're doing.

Speaker 5 (01:24:39):
I mean, how can things change? Sloany just stop showing up.

Speaker 10 (01:24:43):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
And the idea is, if we're you know, we're calling
for We're calling for Zach Taylor, We're calling for the
ahead of Duke Tobin. H it doesn't it doesn't matter,
It doesn't matter who that it's above the head coach.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Maybe there's something with Duke Tobin.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
But I would go, Okay, but is it because he
doesn't have enough support, he doesn't have enough people around
him to help. He's doing too much by himself because
it's a woefully understaffed front office when it comes to scouting,
on all the things that ensure you're gonna get good
players or great players here in Cincinnati's opposed to a crapshoot.
I would say, does it really matter if it's Bill Belichick?

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Does it matter if it's Bill Kauer? Does it matter
who it is as the head coach. I would contend,
it's the system in which that coach is thrust it.
I mean, when he's got to answer the questions about
snow removal, because no one in that front office.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Will speak except for Zach Taylor.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
If I you know, being a fan of the team,
I'm looking at going, well, there's no communications, so they
don't actually care.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
They're in pervious to criticism. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 11 (01:25:44):
Well, you just kind of take Marty Brennanan's advice. He
was on with Tom Brennanan on Monday morning and he goes, look,
I've got one piece of advice for Bengals fans. He says, snowblowers,
next time.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Bringing your own shovel to pay Course Stadium.

Speaker 11 (01:26:03):
That's h Look, I can't even get in with my
little four by Fyclear bags, but I'll try to bring
it so blowing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
And then like the ticket things were malfunctioning. It took
people an outward to get in, so they missed most
of the first quarter at least.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
It just it's just one.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
It's just one travesty and injustice staff together for the
long suffering Bengal fans. And you know, if you're a
season ticket older season tickelolders are not happy. The ones
I talked to are not happy at all because renewals
are coming.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
They're like, hell no, and they shouldn't be.

Speaker 11 (01:26:32):
And this is when the sales staff are making their
calls and they're saying, hey, what are we doing about
twenty twenty six And it's like well, what are you
doing about twenty twenty six?

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Right?

Speaker 11 (01:26:41):
But I guess what had happened. Two of the gates
were down for whatever reason. There are rumors out there
saying that some of the staff couldn't make it in
because the roads were so bad.

Speaker 6 (01:26:53):
But I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:26:54):
All of the fans seem to make it in and
they were.

Speaker 5 (01:26:56):
Just standing there.

Speaker 11 (01:26:57):
For the entire staff, not freezing that they missed anything.
I mean, the Bengals couldn't do anything in that game,
which was really disappointing after what we had seen on
Things Giving night, after that really exciting win.

Speaker 5 (01:27:09):
I just had higher.

Speaker 11 (01:27:10):
Expectations for him, and especially with Joe Burrow. So now
Joe Burrow is getting heckled. I don't know if you
saw that. That's trending on social media too. There was
an angry fan that was sitting in the front row
of that game on Sunday decided to take off his
Joe Burrow Jersey rose it onto the field and he's

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hackling home and it was so bad that Jamar Chase
had to get into his face a little bit, like, hey,
go home then if you don't want to be here,
if you don't like it, go home and you know
throughout a bunch of f bombs.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
Right, which is which is a great look for the team.
You don't like the bad product on the field and
then get the hell out of here. That's just I mean,
I get he's defending his guy, but that just is
another bad look for a team that is full of
bad looks at the fans.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Right, you don't you don't do that. You have a
reason to be upset.

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
Money.

Speaker 11 (01:28:01):
Yeah, they're spending the money on the tickets and the jerseys,
and they stumbled their way out of their homes to
get there on Sunday and to sit in the five
degree stempts and watch a four and ten team. I mean,
it's just it did not get worse right now. And
Dak Taylor on Monday said, look, I know that this
is the record and we're out of it three years

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in a row with no playoffs, but Joe Burrow is
still going to play.

Speaker 5 (01:28:25):
So what do you think of that?

Speaker 11 (01:28:26):
It's like, do we need to keep playing Joe Burrow
for the final three games?

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
It's his job. You're going to tell him know if
he's healthy.

Speaker 11 (01:28:33):
I think you cannot tell Joe Burrow no to anything.
I mean He's probably just happy to be back after
that toe injury. This was just supposed to be his
game that he was coming back this weekend too in
Miami when he had gotten hurt back in September. They
said Miami would be his first game back.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
But obviously it doesn't matter. It's over.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
It doesn't matter it's over yet again, So three straight
seasons no playoffs to the Bengals who appeared there. And
now you look at that playoff run and against the
Rams in the super Bowl, and you know, blink of
an eye could have went the other way. Bengals were
on the verge of winning that game going down to
the last play.

Speaker 6 (01:29:07):
But again, but it doesn't matter.

Speaker 11 (01:29:08):
The Super Bowl was like twenty years ago at this point. Yeah,
I mean, you know, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
If my aunt had nuts, she'd be my uncle.

Speaker 3 (01:29:15):
I get it out of your mind. And so I
look at this whole thing. I just don't think it's
gonna get any better. There's no hope whatsoever for the Bengals.
That was an aberration. Making it to the playoffs. Goes
to show you the parody of the NFL that even
bad teams and bad franchises have a chance of making

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it to the super Bowl. It's not like we're building
a dynasty here in Cincinnati. It's going in the other
direction at this point. And for all intents and purposes,
if I'm a fan of this team, which I am,
the silence from the family from ownership is definite. They
often don't communicate. They aren't now they're saying, Hey, we're
sticking with Zach, We're sticking with Duke Tobin. We're gonna
Most teams would have let him go and made changes

(01:29:58):
after the loss last week. Not this club. They're going
to double down on stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:30:03):
The lack of communication is very loud and according to
speaking of Zach Taylor and his extension, according to Paul
Dayner Junior of The Athletic he said that Zach Taylor
is under contract for the next two seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
Yep.

Speaker 11 (01:30:18):
He says that the Bengals signed him to a second
five year extension after their runs the AFT Championship game
back in twenty twenty two. And he says, but the
Bengals never announced that second extension, which is why nobody
knows about it. So Paul Dayner Junior.

Speaker 6 (01:30:35):
Just calling them out.

Speaker 11 (01:30:36):
I love how everybody's just calling it all out just
aaron the grievances.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Yeah, well, the hope is left.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
I just wonder next season they're trying to sell season
tickets to get people hyped for twenty twenty six. We'll
have a healthy Joe Burrow. They didn't do anything in
free agency. We'll see what happens in the offseason here.
Their draft picks have missed on most of them defensively speaking,
I just wonder what help.

Speaker 5 (01:30:59):
We've got a draft?

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
Yeah, yeah, because they're so good.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
If everything stays the same, How many empty seats so
you see next year at pay Corps.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
I'd imagine that in the jumps. Are you sure are lots.

Speaker 11 (01:31:11):
Of bags overheads?

Speaker 5 (01:31:12):
It ain't good?

Speaker 11 (01:31:13):
And we want to happy Joe Burrow. I mean he
said last week, he goes, If I'm going to keep
doing this, I want to have fun doing it. I
don't think Joe Burrow is having any fun right now.
There's no way you can have fun.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
There's no way you could be having fun watching this
fall apart during the Guys Prime. How you can't make
the playoffs with Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase and t Higgins
is in Chase Brown for that matter, is beyond explanation.
When you have that powerful offense, you know how bad
you got to suck on defense to miss the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (01:31:43):
You got to get a whole new defense.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
Awful, awful, It's just awesome. To multi year project.

Speaker 11 (01:31:48):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
Dan said, well, you may be able to fix this
to the off season, not not as disinterested they are
and keep getting talented the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
There's no hope. There's no hope. By the way, do
you know what today is?

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
The Sarah?

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
Do you know what today marks? Where were you so
thirty years ago?

Speaker 11 (01:32:04):
Nine days until opening Day?

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
Hold on a second here, I have one more football
related thing to get to before we get into this.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Do you know what Okay, thirty years ago today, you
were where you were a senior in college?

Speaker 5 (01:32:16):
Right, Wait on a second. Thirty years ago.

Speaker 11 (01:32:21):
Oh, I was at Fairfield South Elementary. That's where I
was thirty years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
All right, thirty years ago on this date, the Browns
played their last game in the state of Ohio and
moved to Baltimore thirty years ago today.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
How about that?

Speaker 5 (01:32:38):
Interesting?

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Yeah, they became.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
The Baltimore Ravens, and then Cleveland got a team and
well they probably just should have stayed away based on
how they played since then up up in Cleveland today
thirty years and they played the Bengals in the final
home game.

Speaker 11 (01:32:52):
Fun fuck you on that day.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
Thirty years ago. I think it was still I was
in school.

Speaker 5 (01:32:58):
Really yeah, it was. Aren't you closed to retirement or
what's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Do you want me to retire? No, because I like
doing this day with you don't know, I don't know
about that. Maybe you know what. This is the last one.
I think I'm done.

Speaker 11 (01:33:11):
I'm well, actually this is our last snort report of
the year. It won't be back until what January whatever?

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
That is get me some.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Hope when it comes to sports snort lips.

Speaker 11 (01:33:23):
Yeah, we got in ninety nine days until opening.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
I got it.

Speaker 11 (01:33:29):
Versus Circle and February twenty first it was announced that's
gonna be the first spring training game and Sunny Arizona
of course happening right there in Goodyear against the Guardians.

Speaker 5 (01:33:43):
Sunthing bone Tyl.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
The Red's looking for next season.

Speaker 11 (01:33:47):
Tw we're looking. You know what, if you just never
know what you're gonna get. Everything is always a surprise
with all of these teams. The other day they did
announce their twenty twenty six Hall of Fame in Depth Pies.
One of my favorite players.

Speaker 5 (01:33:59):
Of all time. Brandon.

Speaker 11 (01:34:01):
Oh yeah, that dude, Panela and Reggie Sanders so good
line up there.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
Yeah, I love Brandon Phillips is hysterical.

Speaker 11 (01:34:09):
Brandon Phillips is the player that really got me to
love the Reds. I mean, I was in high school
watching that guy and I don't know, he just he's
honestly one of my favorite players of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
I miss that dude.

Speaker 3 (01:34:22):
The that Dude BP show when Seg would interview him
in the dugout before Red Home came.

Speaker 5 (01:34:27):
Oh how did that gets?

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
So good? That was such good radio.

Speaker 11 (01:34:31):
So good, really good.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Oh my god, it was so funny.

Speaker 11 (01:34:35):
God, listen the sex questions player.

Speaker 3 (01:34:38):
I don't know, but that I will say that that
that that's up there, Banana.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
Phone to me.

Speaker 11 (01:34:43):
We got it. We got to bring them back. So
that's just going with our Reds of course, red going on.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
That Dude BP. It's the that Dude BP show.

Speaker 11 (01:34:54):
In the studio.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
I had Brandon in studio and that was going on
for for the Winter Caravan, and he was in and
and he had heard never heard me talk like before,
and his.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Eyes got massive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, he's like he
just started to laugh, so I hit. He's like I
did the sega.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
So we're with that, dude, be Pete Brandon Brandon, I mean,
you know, how what the the baseball the second for
or second ban?

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
So how long you've been black and oh mysh first.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
Eyes got huge and he laughed for he was howling.

Speaker 11 (01:35:39):
He is the best.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
He loves that. He just loves all that stuff. I
love me some brand Phillips. He was great, absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:35:46):
Great, so definitely deserved. Yeah, they're going to do that
in April. So right, there's a little bit of the Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
One of the I would say, Brandon Phillips one of
the great all time Red personalities. And keep in mind,
in my lifetime, which is long, you know, there's Pete
Rose and a whole.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Bunch of others.

Speaker 5 (01:36:07):
Yeah, the little debbies, the debbies, right, we never knew
what that meant. We thought it was.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
One of the all time great Reds. If you had
a Reds Personality Hall of Fame, Brandon Phillips would be there.

Speaker 5 (01:36:20):
Absolutely.

Speaker 11 (01:36:21):
I feel like that's the last time that we were
like really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
You know exactly all right, more futility from the Bengals.
We'll see what the Reds have to offer.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
Being a sports fan in Cincinnati is tough work. She's
Sarah Elise the Snort Report on this Wednesday morning. She's
back sometime first of the year. Then again, maybe not,
maybe the roads won't be icy. She can come and Sarah.

Speaker 11 (01:36:41):
Lease flooded right now, like I said, flooded. Flooding from
Bakor Stadium, and it's my house is underwater.

Speaker 5 (01:36:49):
So we got problems.

Speaker 11 (01:36:50):
You know why you got to wipe off those seats.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
Well, you know you could stay home and pretend you
I would just bring some snow in from the outside
and throw it on your couch and then sit there
and pretend you're at the game.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
I could do that.

Speaker 5 (01:37:01):
Nothing but wet butts and disappointment.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Merry Christmas on Happy New Year. We'll talk next year.

Speaker 5 (01:37:06):
You too, have a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
You too take care of Sloane here on the home
of the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred Deputy OLDWT Cincinnati