December 22, 2025 • 17 mins
Scott talks with Ohio Senator Steve Huffman about how Governor DeWine effectively killed the CBD beverage industry.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do you want to be an amernicanity.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Here we go, it's a Scott's Low Show Monday more
seven hundred w Here we go from the Big Bengals
win yesterday, enjoying life.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
What is not to love about this time of the year.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I got something for you because it's all not you know,
happy holidays, even though that's most of the show today.
I don't know if you caught this, but seven on Friday,
Ohio Governor Mike DeWine shockingly line item vetoed a provision
of the state CB law which will now effectively ban
the sale of something a lot of o'himands enjoy, and
that would be the HEMP derived THC beverages that you
(00:42):
can get in bars and restaurants and other similar products
from general retellers in state, not necessarily carry outs and
Lifebo're talking about bars, and we're talking about bars that
have spent a fortune to try and stay alive because
the craft industry is fading and THC and fused beverages
are the future, and they've been embraced by millions of Ohios.
And with one stroke with pen, the Governor overrode that
(01:05):
and the band means these beverages that millions and enjoy
can no longer be sold in locations like convenience stores, bars, breweries,
or general stores, and these restrictions will take effect in
mid March. I cannot believe that it's come to this.
Ohio State Senator Steve Hopman from Just the Tipsity, joining
the show this morning on seven hundred WW Steve, I
wish I wish you a good morning. It doesn't feel
like a good morning based on what feels like a
(01:28):
good part of your life's work here.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I mean, you've spent so much time on Senate.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Bill fifty six being the author of it, and this
is like the fifteenth time we've had this conversation about
stuff getting changed.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Well, you're right now, we're done with it. There's a
couple of House members that have already introduced some other
things that they'd like to see change. But overall it
was a good bill. But unfortunately the governor saw differently
on this one subject.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Did he explain his reasoning why and please just don't
tell me because it's about the children.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yes, So whenever he line item vetos, he has a
you know the reason for doing it, And basically he
said that there would be confusion because you know, in
the bill, you know, we got rid of gummies, different
things like that, especially for children. So we got rid
of that, but then we carved out the beverages until
(02:27):
November because we're following the federal law. And he said
there would be too much confusion with the beverages being
outlawed before the you know, after the other one. So
we're just going to outlaw everything all at once in
ninety days.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Okay, Well, if it's the federal legislation is the root
cause of these problems, and giving this Congress just banned
certain THT products when you know, they reopened the government,
why did we need Why would the governor have to
act more aggressively than federal rock requires rather than just
simply mirroring federal standards.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Well, I mean in the bill we did because we
in Ohio wanted to get rid of the gummies and
stuff that underage kids were getting. And we were doing
that in ninety days. I'm not sure that there would
be confusion among the consumers, at least for the you know,
over the next year. It would give people to finish
(03:18):
their you know, whatever allotment that they currently have. But
also in the bill, it would allow them to continue
to process. We were at five milligrams, so that was
you know, your six percent, like a six percent beer,
but would allow was going to allow Ryan Geist and
(03:39):
fifty West to process at ten or twenty so that
they could sell out a state, make money, keep people
employed that has gone away in ninety days. Also, does the.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Governor realize how many millions of Ohioans not only enjoy this,
but but how many thousands of people of employees? Does
he understand the business dynamic here?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I you know that that would have to be a
question for him. I understanding in the state of Ohio
this year it is a seventy five million dollar business,
mostly in the craft industries. You know, recently Cores and
Anheuser Busch is starting to get into the industry. But
(04:19):
basically it's a something that you find in the craft.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, and as I talked to purveyors of craft beer,
the taste for craft beer has ebbed.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I mean, we hit a peak.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Everything has a business cyclist, you know, Steve Hoffman, and
now we're starting to be like the post you know,
select beer kind of thing. A lot of people still enjoy.
I don't think it's going to go away. But it's
pretty clear that people are switching to other beverages. Seltzers
are big, and certainly THC beverages are big too. So
my concern is you don't get people that option. Do
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they go back to drinking craft beer? Probably not, They'll
find something else. I would imagine that these breweries aren't selling.
Doesn't that mean jobs and some of these breweries close?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Huh? I would think so. You know, you know, the
statistics I see is that people under thirty drink more
of the THHC drinks than they do than they do beer.
And you know, seventy five million dollar industry in the
state of Ohio, that seems to be a good number
of jobs that ultimately would be lost. And do they
(05:23):
go to beer or something else or do they just
they want the THCHC effect and do they just start
smoking it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Right and kind of cut the middle man out entirely.
And you know what, I cringe every time. And you know,
Mike the Wine is a Republican, and I hear about
how Republicans are pro business, pro small business, pro growth,
proll is and they do things like this that completely
even lead me scratching my head. Is Mike the Wine,
turning his back on what used to be conservative values.
(05:54):
There has always been this way.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Well, I mean, I again, you need to talk to
him about it, but I think he is more concerned
about safety of people and health of people, and I
believe that's in conflict of of what other people are
thinking that these things do for him.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Mike the Wine is a lawyer. He's not a physician. You,
Steve Hoffman, are a physician. What's your physician's take on
this stuff? Are people killing themselves when they sip THHD
and fuse beverages?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You know? I think, like any other intoxicating substance, it's
within reason. So if you're within reason and you're not
going out and driving after taking large quantities of them. No,
I don't think we know the long term health effects
of these things, but you know, the early science says,
you know, it's not that bad. You know, maybe beer
(06:50):
and whiskey in the long term might be even worse
for you, but you know, no real big negative effects
currently known.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, that we currently know.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
The future is always, you know, always changes, science always improves,
and we listen to that science. But at the same time,
I have a definitive right by God to put whatever
it is on why my body.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Plenty of people.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Abuse substances, food, whatever it might be. I mean, you
name me something in the world and I'll find somebody
who abuses it. You see that all the time in
your practice, Steve, and have to deal with those kinds
of things, for sure, And you see the effects of
people not taking care of their bodies and neglecting their
health and focusing on too many vices. And when we
say that declined. But again, we all.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Know that today.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
We know that cigarettes are carcinogen, we know that smoking
is not good for you. We know about popcorn lung
now with vaping and things like that. But again, you
could do things in moderation, and it's fine to me.
It just seems to not only be left to the
adults to make a decision. Not kids, of course, but adults.
And we know what we put in our bodies. I mean,
it's not I don't think an exaggeration and think, okay,
(07:53):
should there be a I don't know the size. Remember
when more liberal states we're talking about banning the size
of sodas, We're going to talk about regulating the fast
food industry and only being allowed to get McDonald's once
a month, As I mean, how far does the government go?
I hear these things, and you know, damnit, I'm a
grown person. I can make an informed decision is what
I want to consume and put in my own body.
(08:13):
It should not be up to the governor with the
stroke of a pen to undermine that. Because I think,
in your opinion on this, Steve, does this at some
level go against the will of the voters. Let's not
forget almost six and ten people supported recreational marijuana and
Ohio we generated over seven hundred million in the first year.
At what point does the legislative modification of a voter
(08:33):
approved citizen and they should have crossed the line from
reasonable regulation and define the clear will of what people want.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Well, I don't disagree with that a lot of that,
But the beverages had nothing to do with the ballot
initiative because we're talking hemp and the ballot initiative was
strictly concerning marijuana. Yeah, but you should, within reason have
the right to you know, in the same for however
(09:02):
you feel about tradum. You know, his pharmacy board last
week is going to outlaw that, and many people feel
that is of benefit for their own health.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, let's say.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I mean I don't go the weave in that, but
I think it's an excellent point. Stain Hoffman is creative.
A lot of people know what that is. I mean
I I personally don't use it. I don't really know
anyone that does. It's been around from what's the substance
what's a concern with cretum.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Creative is something kind of like a t from East
Asia that that many that that people use and they
feel that it helps with anxiety and sleep and a
lot of things that that that the hamp people do.
But in that end, there there's a substance. The intoxicating
substance is known as seven O H and it is
(09:54):
at a very very low level, so it's really not
thought to be intoxicating. But just like camp, they manufacturers
will concentrate seven O H and put a large amount
in there and then makes it dangerous, makes it makes
it intoxicating, and and so that's uh, you know, we're
you know, the pharmacy board is gonna band all of it.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So but at the same time, we live in a
country where you could get you know, an intoxicating marshroom
tea or so some of those lines where you know,
I'm a tribal ancestors been using it for for eons, right,
and seemingly I don't know if there's all effects to
that or not, but for some people they feel that
it's therapeutic.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I agree. I just you know, it's a scheduled Uh,
it's not scheduled one. But he wants to make the
scheduled one drugs so we can get rid of it.
But there's no real scientific research, you know, a high
state and you see and other highly academic places aren't
really doing the research or haven't done the research to
tell us this is good for you. This is what
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it's it's you know, this is why it's mad.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
The cat's catch twenty two. It's a schedule one, so
they can't research it. And then they people who made
us schedule one say, well there's not research. Yeah, because
you made a schedule one. We can't do research on
something that's that's that controlled.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It's simple.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, you know, how how about the great news from
Donald Trump last week on marijuana?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Really good? This is an odd game, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I mean you mentioned okay, yeah, the sistanis at initiative
and sixty percent of people wanting recreacial THC marijuana. You got, Well,
that doesn't this this THHC, the CBD THHG derivative liquids
and the alcohol, well not alcohols, but the beverages. It's
not really what the vote. But I get that argument
the same time, it's I think the spirit of it
(11:45):
is going, hey, you know what, if I can smoke THC,
what is it that far reach to think that would
include CBD derived beverages like this? And now that Trump
is doing what he's doing, I think that's even more
against what what Mike Dwaine thinks with this veto.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
No, I don't, I don't disagree. You know, when when
Trump said that, you know, I'm going to speed up
the process of making the marijuana THHC a Scheduled three
drug and Schedule one. It will be great for the
banking industry. We can't you know, can't bank. It's all
cash business and the dispensaries and in everything. Uh. And
(12:23):
it'll provide the ability to do scientific research and I
am I'm hoping that, uh the academic institutes in the
state of Ohio will jump on it and be able
to go out and get federal funding to say marijuana
is good for you or it's bad for you, and
let's settle this for you know, what type and how
and what what conditions.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Steve another, by the way, that's the Ohio State Senator
Steve Huffman on the show on seven hundred W LW.
I'm sure you heard Mike the line shockingly line item
vetoed a provision in our state CBD law. You know,
the the CBD slash THHD infused beverages that a lot
of people enjoy. That's spurn an entire industr that's rapidly
growing as big as a craft bret beer industry. And
(13:04):
it was I think in a few years of clips
that because so many people want this stuff, might the
wine ban that in Ohio. So all these companies that
leaned in and invested the small brewers, the rhymegeis the
fifty west of the world and others are no longer
in ninety days going to be able to sell and
produce that stuff. And so six thousand plus people and
so six thousand small businesses alone, by the way, businesses,
(13:24):
not people, but six thousand businesses are no longer going
to be able to compete in the sphere despite the
massive demand by millions of adult Ohioans that want this stuff.
The other element here too, we had talked about, I
think last time around Steve, about protections for housing, employment,
organ donation, stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Is that been removed by the governors. That's still in there.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
It's still in there. Basically, those things are things that
mere previous laws. I don't believe there was anything really
new in there. I mean, if you're a smoker, you
can be banned from an organ transplant because of scientific
studies that show that you and so that's why it
(14:11):
was the you know, the organ band is still has
been included in there.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Is there a connection medically, Steve, between organ donation and marijuana,
Why would you be excluded from that?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
If I remember right, the law doesn't say that you
are excluded. It says if there's a scientific basis, you
can be excluded if if if they feel, hey, look
if if if science shows that if you smoke marijuana
and you get a liver transplant plant, your likelihood of
rejection as higher. If the science is there, then we
(14:46):
should should stick by it. But we shouldn't just totally
get rid of that not based on science.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, I mean, if it's science says that you have
a higher rate of not being able to get the organ,
so it's kind of a waste of that pressure tree.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So I kind of get that element.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
One of the thing I saw too was allowing police
to establish probable cause during traffic stops because someone is
a known user of marijuana.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Is that still part of.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
This I can't remember, but again I think that was
you know, restated from previously that you know, you know,
when we initially did the medical marijuana law back in
twenty sixteen, most of the drug dogs in the state
were it became obsolete because when they smelled marijuana, they
(15:34):
would have hit and they you couldn't tell if it
was a llegal substance or an illegal substance, or where
they derived it from. So that caused a lot of
a lot of trouble. But you know, they if they
still have probable cause not because you're smoking, because they
feel you're impaired, they would be able to do a
field sobriety test.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, a lot of contradictions here. It just leads one
scratching there is there any remedy here for the manufacturers
and I'll try to get somebody on maybe from Ryan
Guister fifty West to talk about this later on.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Is this fight completely over? Could this thing the overturned?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Well, in the original bill a house in the Senate
and had an agreement that we would you know, the
Feds are going to get rid of it in a
year in November twenty six if they change things, that
we would look at that and see because we didn't
have time to put taxes on as regulations in the
whole scheme of things, so we kept the plan was
(16:32):
to keep it till November, so we can re look
at it from that, but from that aspect and see
if Governor Dwine has a different view of it. We
could look at a veto override it would take two
thirds of each each body. So there are some things
we could reintroduce this, you know when there's a new governor.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Well that won't be long, that won't be much either year,
but still wrapping down production and ramping it back up.
I don't know what to tell the six thousand small
businesses out that have invested in this stuff when it
was illegal yesterday, now it's illegal today or ninety days.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I should say, Steve my head is scratching.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
You're you're scratching your head, I'm sure, but we'll leave
it at that, and you have a merry Christmas. Thanks
again for a joining the show and keep us updated
and what the future holds for this.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah, Merry Christmas to you and your family and all
your listeners. You take care of Scott. Thanks against Steve.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
That's Ohio State Senator Steve Hoffman from just the Tips
city just north of Dayton and Mike to wine again
allegedly pro business. I don't know how this is pro
business pro consumer because it goes against the face of
the hottest growing beverage. I guess niche in the state
(17:47):
right now, if not the country. For that manner, we
don't want any part of it. Why it's about the children.
Oh my god, stop seven hundred WLW
Do you want to be an amernicanity.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Here we go, it's a Scott's Low Show Monday more
seven hundred w Here we go from the Big Bengals
win yesterday, enjoying life.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
What is not to love about this time of the year.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I got something for you because it's all not you know,
happy holidays, even though that's most of the show today.
I don't know if you caught this, but seven on Friday,
Ohio Governor Mike DeWine shockingly line item vetoed a provision
of the state CB law which will now effectively ban
the sale of something a lot of o'himands enjoy, and
that would be the HEMP derived THC beverages that you
(00:42):
can get in bars and restaurants and other similar products
from general retellers in state, not necessarily carry outs and
Lifebo're talking about bars, and we're talking about bars that
have spent a fortune to try and stay alive because
the craft industry is fading and THC and fused beverages
are the future, and they've been embraced by millions of Ohios.
And with one stroke with pen, the Governor overrode that
(01:05):
and the band means these beverages that millions and enjoy
can no longer be sold in locations like convenience stores, bars, breweries,
or general stores, and these restrictions will take effect in
mid March. I cannot believe that it's come to this.
Ohio State Senator Steve Hopman from Just the Tipsity, joining
the show this morning on seven hundred WW Steve, I
wish I wish you a good morning. It doesn't feel
like a good morning based on what feels like a
(01:28):
good part of your life's work here.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I mean, you've spent so much time on Senate.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Bill fifty six being the author of it, and this
is like the fifteenth time we've had this conversation about
stuff getting changed.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Well, you're right now, we're done with it. There's a
couple of House members that have already introduced some other
things that they'd like to see change. But overall it
was a good bill. But unfortunately the governor saw differently
on this one subject.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Did he explain his reasoning why and please just don't
tell me because it's about the children.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yes, So whenever he line item vetos, he has a
you know the reason for doing it, And basically he
said that there would be confusion because you know, in
the bill, you know, we got rid of gummies, different
things like that, especially for children. So we got rid
of that, but then we carved out the beverages until
(02:27):
November because we're following the federal law. And he said
there would be too much confusion with the beverages being
outlawed before the you know, after the other one. So
we're just going to outlaw everything all at once in
ninety days.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Okay, Well, if it's the federal legislation is the root
cause of these problems, and giving this Congress just banned
certain THT products when you know, they reopened the government,
why did we need Why would the governor have to
act more aggressively than federal rock requires rather than just
simply mirroring federal standards.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Well, I mean in the bill we did because we
in Ohio wanted to get rid of the gummies and
stuff that underage kids were getting. And we were doing
that in ninety days. I'm not sure that there would
be confusion among the consumers, at least for the you know,
over the next year. It would give people to finish
(03:18):
their you know, whatever allotment that they currently have. But
also in the bill, it would allow them to continue
to process. We were at five milligrams, so that was
you know, your six percent, like a six percent beer,
but would allow was going to allow Ryan Geist and
(03:39):
fifty West to process at ten or twenty so that
they could sell out a state, make money, keep people
employed that has gone away in ninety days. Also, does the.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Governor realize how many millions of Ohioans not only enjoy this,
but but how many thousands of people of employees? Does
he understand the business dynamic here?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
I you know that that would have to be a
question for him. I understanding in the state of Ohio
this year it is a seventy five million dollar business,
mostly in the craft industries. You know, recently Cores and
Anheuser Busch is starting to get into the industry. But
(04:19):
basically it's a something that you find in the craft.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, and as I talked to purveyors of craft beer,
the taste for craft beer has ebbed.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
I mean, we hit a peak.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Everything has a business cyclist, you know, Steve Hoffman, and
now we're starting to be like the post you know,
select beer kind of thing. A lot of people still enjoy.
I don't think it's going to go away. But it's
pretty clear that people are switching to other beverages. Seltzers
are big, and certainly THC beverages are big too. So
my concern is you don't get people that option. Do
(04:51):
they go back to drinking craft beer? Probably not, They'll
find something else. I would imagine that these breweries aren't selling.
Doesn't that mean jobs and some of these breweries close?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Huh? I would think so. You know, you know, the
statistics I see is that people under thirty drink more
of the THHC drinks than they do than they do beer.
And you know, seventy five million dollar industry in the
state of Ohio, that seems to be a good number
of jobs that ultimately would be lost. And do they
(05:23):
go to beer or something else or do they just
they want the THCHC effect and do they just start
smoking it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Right and kind of cut the middle man out entirely.
And you know what, I cringe every time. And you know,
Mike the Wine is a Republican, and I hear about
how Republicans are pro business, pro small business, pro growth,
proll is and they do things like this that completely
even lead me scratching my head. Is Mike the Wine,
turning his back on what used to be conservative values.
(05:54):
There has always been this way.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Well, I mean, I again, you need to talk to
him about it, but I think he is more concerned
about safety of people and health of people, and I
believe that's in conflict of of what other people are
thinking that these things do for him.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Mike the Wine is a lawyer. He's not a physician. You,
Steve Hoffman, are a physician. What's your physician's take on
this stuff? Are people killing themselves when they sip THHD
and fuse beverages?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You know? I think, like any other intoxicating substance, it's
within reason. So if you're within reason and you're not
going out and driving after taking large quantities of them. No,
I don't think we know the long term health effects
of these things, but you know, the early science says,
you know, it's not that bad. You know, maybe beer
(06:50):
and whiskey in the long term might be even worse
for you, but you know, no real big negative effects
currently known.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, that we currently know.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
The future is always, you know, always changes, science always improves,
and we listen to that science. But at the same time,
I have a definitive right by God to put whatever
it is on why my body.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Plenty of people.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Abuse substances, food, whatever it might be. I mean, you
name me something in the world and I'll find somebody
who abuses it. You see that all the time in
your practice, Steve, and have to deal with those kinds
of things, for sure, And you see the effects of
people not taking care of their bodies and neglecting their
health and focusing on too many vices. And when we
say that declined. But again, we all.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Know that today.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
We know that cigarettes are carcinogen, we know that smoking
is not good for you. We know about popcorn lung
now with vaping and things like that. But again, you
could do things in moderation, and it's fine to me.
It just seems to not only be left to the
adults to make a decision. Not kids, of course, but adults.
And we know what we put in our bodies. I mean,
it's not I don't think an exaggeration and think, okay,
(07:53):
should there be a I don't know the size. Remember
when more liberal states we're talking about banning the size
of sodas, We're going to talk about regulating the fast
food industry and only being allowed to get McDonald's once
a month, As I mean, how far does the government go?
I hear these things, and you know, damnit, I'm a
grown person. I can make an informed decision is what
I want to consume and put in my own body.
(08:13):
It should not be up to the governor with the
stroke of a pen to undermine that. Because I think,
in your opinion on this, Steve, does this at some
level go against the will of the voters. Let's not
forget almost six and ten people supported recreational marijuana and
Ohio we generated over seven hundred million in the first year.
At what point does the legislative modification of a voter
(08:33):
approved citizen and they should have crossed the line from
reasonable regulation and define the clear will of what people want.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Well, I don't disagree with that a lot of that,
But the beverages had nothing to do with the ballot
initiative because we're talking hemp and the ballot initiative was
strictly concerning marijuana. Yeah, but you should, within reason have
the right to you know, in the same for however
(09:02):
you feel about tradum. You know, his pharmacy board last
week is going to outlaw that, and many people feel
that is of benefit for their own health.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, let's say.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
I mean I don't go the weave in that, but
I think it's an excellent point. Stain Hoffman is creative.
A lot of people know what that is. I mean
I I personally don't use it. I don't really know
anyone that does. It's been around from what's the substance
what's a concern with cretum.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Creative is something kind of like a t from East
Asia that that many that that people use and they
feel that it helps with anxiety and sleep and a
lot of things that that that the hamp people do.
But in that end, there there's a substance. The intoxicating
substance is known as seven O H and it is
(09:54):
at a very very low level, so it's really not
thought to be intoxicating. But just like camp, they manufacturers
will concentrate seven O H and put a large amount
in there and then makes it dangerous, makes it makes
it intoxicating, and and so that's uh, you know, we're
you know, the pharmacy board is gonna band all of it.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So but at the same time, we live in a
country where you could get you know, an intoxicating marshroom
tea or so some of those lines where you know,
I'm a tribal ancestors been using it for for eons, right,
and seemingly I don't know if there's all effects to
that or not, but for some people they feel that
it's therapeutic.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I agree. I just you know, it's a scheduled Uh,
it's not scheduled one. But he wants to make the
scheduled one drugs so we can get rid of it.
But there's no real scientific research, you know, a high
state and you see and other highly academic places aren't
really doing the research or haven't done the research to
tell us this is good for you. This is what
(11:00):
it's it's you know, this is why it's mad.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
The cat's catch twenty two. It's a schedule one, so
they can't research it. And then they people who made
us schedule one say, well there's not research. Yeah, because
you made a schedule one. We can't do research on
something that's that's that controlled.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
It's simple.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, you know, how how about the great news from
Donald Trump last week on marijuana?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Really good? This is an odd game, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I mean you mentioned okay, yeah, the sistanis at initiative
and sixty percent of people wanting recreacial THC marijuana. You got, Well,
that doesn't this this THHC, the CBD THHG derivative liquids
and the alcohol, well not alcohols, but the beverages. It's
not really what the vote. But I get that argument
the same time, it's I think the spirit of it
(11:45):
is going, hey, you know what, if I can smoke THC,
what is it that far reach to think that would
include CBD derived beverages like this? And now that Trump
is doing what he's doing, I think that's even more
against what what Mike Dwaine thinks with this veto.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
No, I don't, I don't disagree. You know, when when
Trump said that, you know, I'm going to speed up
the process of making the marijuana THHC a Scheduled three
drug and Schedule one. It will be great for the
banking industry. We can't you know, can't bank. It's all
cash business and the dispensaries and in everything. Uh. And
(12:23):
it'll provide the ability to do scientific research and I
am I'm hoping that, uh the academic institutes in the
state of Ohio will jump on it and be able
to go out and get federal funding to say marijuana
is good for you or it's bad for you, and
let's settle this for you know, what type and how
and what what conditions.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Steve another, by the way, that's the Ohio State Senator
Steve Huffman on the show on seven hundred W LW.
I'm sure you heard Mike the line shockingly line item
vetoed a provision in our state CBD law. You know,
the the CBD slash THHD infused beverages that a lot
of people enjoy. That's spurn an entire industr that's rapidly
growing as big as a craft bret beer industry. And
(13:04):
it was I think in a few years of clips
that because so many people want this stuff, might the
wine ban that in Ohio. So all these companies that
leaned in and invested the small brewers, the rhymegeis the
fifty west of the world and others are no longer
in ninety days going to be able to sell and
produce that stuff. And so six thousand plus people and
so six thousand small businesses alone, by the way, businesses,
(13:24):
not people, but six thousand businesses are no longer going
to be able to compete in the sphere despite the
massive demand by millions of adult Ohioans that want this stuff.
The other element here too, we had talked about, I
think last time around Steve, about protections for housing, employment,
organ donation, stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Is that been removed by the governors. That's still in there.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
It's still in there. Basically, those things are things that
mere previous laws. I don't believe there was anything really
new in there. I mean, if you're a smoker, you
can be banned from an organ transplant because of scientific
studies that show that you and so that's why it
(14:11):
was the you know, the organ band is still has
been included in there.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Is there a connection medically, Steve, between organ donation and marijuana,
Why would you be excluded from that?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
If I remember right, the law doesn't say that you
are excluded. It says if there's a scientific basis, you
can be excluded if if if they feel, hey, look
if if if science shows that if you smoke marijuana
and you get a liver transplant plant, your likelihood of
rejection as higher. If the science is there, then we
(14:46):
should should stick by it. But we shouldn't just totally
get rid of that not based on science.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Yeah, I mean, if it's science says that you have
a higher rate of not being able to get the organ,
so it's kind of a waste of that pressure tree.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So I kind of get that element.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
One of the thing I saw too was allowing police
to establish probable cause during traffic stops because someone is
a known user of marijuana.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Is that still part of.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
This I can't remember, but again I think that was
you know, restated from previously that you know, you know,
when we initially did the medical marijuana law back in
twenty sixteen, most of the drug dogs in the state
were it became obsolete because when they smelled marijuana, they
(15:34):
would have hit and they you couldn't tell if it
was a llegal substance or an illegal substance, or where
they derived it from. So that caused a lot of
a lot of trouble. But you know, they if they
still have probable cause not because you're smoking, because they
feel you're impaired, they would be able to do a
field sobriety test.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, a lot of contradictions here. It just leads one
scratching there is there any remedy here for the manufacturers
and I'll try to get somebody on maybe from Ryan
Guister fifty West to talk about this later on.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Is this fight completely over? Could this thing the overturned?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Well, in the original bill a house in the Senate
and had an agreement that we would you know, the
Feds are going to get rid of it in a
year in November twenty six if they change things, that
we would look at that and see because we didn't
have time to put taxes on as regulations in the
whole scheme of things, so we kept the plan was
(16:32):
to keep it till November, so we can re look
at it from that, but from that aspect and see
if Governor Dwine has a different view of it. We
could look at a veto override it would take two
thirds of each each body. So there are some things
we could reintroduce this, you know when there's a new governor.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Well that won't be long, that won't be much either year,
but still wrapping down production and ramping it back up.
I don't know what to tell the six thousand small
businesses out that have invested in this stuff when it
was illegal yesterday, now it's illegal today or ninety days.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I should say, Steve my head is scratching.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
You're you're scratching your head, I'm sure, but we'll leave
it at that, and you have a merry Christmas. Thanks
again for a joining the show and keep us updated
and what the future holds for this.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Yeah, Merry Christmas to you and your family and all
your listeners. You take care of Scott. Thanks against Steve.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
That's Ohio State Senator Steve Hoffman from just the Tips
city just north of Dayton and Mike to wine again
allegedly pro business. I don't know how this is pro
business pro consumer because it goes against the face of
the hottest growing beverage. I guess niche in the state
(17:47):
right now, if not the country. For that manner, we
don't want any part of it. Why it's about the children.
Oh my god, stop seven hundred WLW
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